Saved

Indulge me. I have an update on the ancient pile of yellow bricks in a hamlet distant from urbanity but near to my heart, which I’ve been trying to save. A developer bought Elgin Hall, built by my kin in 1850, with plans to bulldoze it into an access road between two hunks of a subdivision of McMansions five minutes south of the 401.

In the last fortnight about a thousand people got involved. Academics, historians and heritage professionals emerged. The media, including CBC and CTV, were aroused. From across the country came words of support from those who think history matters. It should not be cancelled, dozed or forgotten. My great-grandfather who lived in that pile was an MP in Sir John A. Macdonald’s Parliament, ran the Welland Canal, helped push the CPR through to Vancouver and played a role in the formation of that city. The story of this house is the tale of a nation being forged.

My band of revolutionaries and insurgents launched a campaign to protect the property with a provincial heritage designation. Meanwhile I offered the developer hundreds of thousands more than he’d paid for the place a few months ago so it might be secured and salvaged.

Well, the big council meeting to consider protecting Elgin Hall took place on Tuesday morning. Here’s what the council members had to drive past to get inside…

Dotsy the Clown (seriously) did that for us. Inside the meeting hall, Professor Cody Groat laid out the case, step by step for local politicians as to why this is a national historic site and doesn’t deserve to be turned into a dusty heap. He was supported by original research done by Professor Emeritus and author George Emery who traced the land titles to 1800. Former owners and descendants gave a living history of those halls. Community members joined readers of this blog in deluging support. Tying it all together was Debbie Kasman, a retired academic who put on her pink Warrior Princess suit and kicked butt. All volunteers.

In the end, we won.

Council passed a notice of intent to designate the property under Ontario’s Heritage Act. No demolition permit will be issued. Elgin Hall has been saved.

And the developer?

His name is Brian Graydon. His representatives tried to persuade the politicians to defer and defuse the issue. Understandable. Lots at stake. But as Prof. Groat nailed it to the wall and network TV cameras whirred gently at the back of the room it became clear to all the only decent and correct thing to do was to join the rescue effort.

Roots matter. History matters. Forgetting where you came from makes the path ahead uncertain and dangerous. It’s time to stop apologizing for those who lived before us or judging them through the narrow lens of political correctness. Nor should we throw them under the treads of progress. We can be proud and progressive all at once. The world can get by without two or three more OSB-and-glue McMansions in a field. We would be forever poorer by destroying Elgin Hall.

So I will be meeting with developer Brian Graydon on Friday morning, putting my money where my mouth is.

Please know that you made a difference. Hundreds of you joined the Facebook page. You signed the petition. You wrote on my behalf. You stood for a cause. You won. Thank you.

212 comments ↓

#1 aft on 08.09.22 at 2:42 pm

Well done!

#2 df on 08.09.22 at 2:45 pm

That’s great, Garth.

Effort makes a difference.

#3 Polozified on 08.09.22 at 2:49 pm

Just because no one knows any Canadian history doesn’t mean it’s not important.

#4 e90 on 08.09.22 at 2:51 pm

Great news!

#5 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.09.22 at 2:52 pm

Awesome news!
My scribbled flatulence to the Mayor had an effect.

#6 Stone on 08.09.22 at 2:54 pm

Good for you Garth. Since you’re footing the bill, I can respect that. Enjoy!

#7 Reasonable on 08.09.22 at 2:56 pm

As you say, if you really want it and can afford it, go ahead and buy it. I’m sure you’ll still have enough in your B&D portfolio to live comfortably after a bit of an over-pay on Elgin Hall. Congratulations on the win!

#8 Oncebitten on 08.09.22 at 2:58 pm

Congratulations Garth et al.! Looking forward to hearing what the plans are for this building now that it has been saved. Well done!

#9 unbalanced on 08.09.22 at 2:58 pm

Congrats, and to all those that helped. Well done.

#10 George Mctimm on 08.09.22 at 2:59 pm

That’s wonderful news! Developers tear the souls out of our communities, rendering them sterile and not worth living in! Time to preserve our history!

#11 earthboundmisfit on 08.09.22 at 3:00 pm

I’m about to enjoy a Macallan’s with the glass raised to you Sir. Well done Garth … well done all … congratulations.

#12 Brian on 08.09.22 at 3:01 pm

Congratulations Garth!

#13 Lee on 08.09.22 at 3:01 pm

Unfortunately, everyone under 25 considers Canada a “forged nation”. Congratulations though. (Will the developer appeal)?

#14 Observer on 08.09.22 at 3:01 pm

Yay!

#15 Jim Brown on 08.09.22 at 3:02 pm

Great news Garth….Thank You!!!

#16 Victor Llearna on 08.09.22 at 3:03 pm

The developer Learn a lesson and probably lost some $$$

#17 Rook on 08.09.22 at 3:04 pm

Congrats on saving Elgin House!

Now, to a couple of your points.

“We can be proud and progressive all at once.”

See, I’m not sure we can. My understanding of progressivism is that it relies on the ability to re-write and re-frame history as Bad and Evil. All morality and actions of the past must be filtered through a contemporary moralist lens, and, only if it passes today’s moral purity test can it be allowed to stand. Thus, context, and the morals of the time don’t matter, only absolutism. It WANTS us to forget history, because then it means you can’t use it as a guide.

[insert relevant Orwell quote here]

In light of this, how can progressivism – which seeks to re-write history – coexist with a philosophy that holds that , “Roots matter. History matters. Forgetting where you came from makes the path ahead uncertain and dangerous”?

#18 SusanM on 08.09.22 at 3:05 pm

Redemption! So deeply satisfied at this wonderful success. Perhaps there will be more activism on the part of each and every community across Canada to value and preserve our history instead of destroying our country with cheek-by-jowl developments.

#19 Who Owns Canada Now Greedeau? on 08.09.22 at 3:06 pm

Who Owns Canada Now Greedeau?

These stories parallel Canada, maybe Canada leading the way with Greedeau the Commie selling us out for a seat somewhere he deems worthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kbgavXsqc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d3Lyk_vlW4

And this has been planned for a LONG time!
https://archive.org/details/SilentWeaponsForQuietWarsOriginalDocumentCopy

#20 TheDood on 08.09.22 at 3:07 pm

The real ‘win’? The whole effort was done the right way.

There are no good guys or bad guys involved. It’s just people with differing goals and opinions. Demonstrates how how mature adults can settle conflict in a democracy.

#21 mj on 08.09.22 at 3:08 pm

congratulations, well done

#22 Who Owns Canada Now Greedeau? on 08.09.22 at 3:10 pm

Forgot this:
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/chinese-investors-to-spend-1-trillion-on-real-estate-in-next-de_a_23028408

#23 Ian on 08.09.22 at 3:10 pm

Too often we tear down our history. My in-laws own a building near Church and Wellesley; 1880. Can’t let it happen to it either; just too valuable for our history. I do wish Toronto would offer more to help with upkeep though, 50% reimbursement up to $20k is a pittance today. Congrats though, I’ve seen what you did with the Belfountain store and will keep an eye out on Elgin Hall in a few years time. Great news indeed!

#24 Sam on 08.09.22 at 3:14 pm

Good Job…….

https://london.ctvnews.ca/172-year-old-home-spared-from-demolition-in-oxford-county-1.6020082

#25 tim johnson on 08.09.22 at 3:16 pm

Congratulations Garth ! History gets forgotten in our materialistic society. A few less McMansions will do us no harm. The house looks great. Maybe you should move into it. It would be a full circle moment for you to live in the house of your great grandfather.

#26 Jorge on 08.09.22 at 3:17 pm

Congratulations! This is one case where social media did what it was dreamed to do: let a group of strangers get behind a good cause and see it through.

#27 The General on 08.09.22 at 3:18 pm

The word ‘ideology’ is often used as a synonym for political ideas, a corruption of language that conceals its fundamentally anti-political, latent totalitarian character. Ideology is incapable of treating human beings as distinct participants in a shared, non political social life. Today’s WOKE ideology sees human association rather, as groups to be acted upon. It is explicitly anti-National, anti-Soverign, anti-Traditional Religion, anti-Traditional Culture, anti-National Infrastructure and anti-Family. You, Mr Turner, just struck a blow against this warped ideology. Bravo!

#28 TurnerNation on 08.09.22 at 3:18 pm

Time have changed. Only really the Boomers care about history.
The middle-agers would have their wont and tear it down, for want of a press-board McMansion.
The Millennials? A home like that one may afford a rare twerking opportunity (for TikToc) set on its ample staircase. (That its principally-sized rooms may be hotboxed is a bonus.)

Times have changed. T2 put a weed store and booze-can on every street corner. Turn on, Tune in and Drop out.

#29 Chimingin on 08.09.22 at 3:18 pm

Excellent news! Congratulations Garth et al!

Now, let us keep our eyes open for the next opportunity to save our collective heritage and history.

#30 nick on 08.09.22 at 3:19 pm

Great news. Congratulations… and thank you for saving this important part of Canada’s heritage.

#31 Piano Girl on 08.09.22 at 3:20 pm

Success!

Just like you make a difference in our lives, for once we can help you.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”

#32 Franco on 08.09.22 at 3:23 pm

Excellent and well done, you made a difference.

#33 Lower the Boom....er not on 08.09.22 at 3:25 pm

And here…I am about to enjoy a RedBreast 21 year with the glass raised to you Sir! Congratulations all!

#34 Mark on 08.09.22 at 3:25 pm

How much is the rent?

#35 CL on 08.09.22 at 3:27 pm

Very good to hear.

#36 Gratefulboomer on 08.09.22 at 3:33 pm

Oh wow. Happy story. Really illustrates the meaning of the expression “ takes a village”

#37 just a dude on 08.09.22 at 3:33 pm

Fantastic news!

Congratulations, Garth, and to all that made this happen.

#38 Sail Away on 08.09.22 at 3:36 pm

Cool

#39 Emma Zaun - Greater Fool Unpaid Intern #007 on 08.09.22 at 3:36 pm

“….built by my kin in 1850”

Fat chance, that. It was built by the ancestors of Amazons, just like this pathetic blog.

#40 G Unit on 08.09.22 at 3:37 pm

Long time lurker here, first time poster. Congrats Garth! Maybe all that public service over the years (not least of which is this gem of a blog) has had some karmic payoff. I’m happy for you.

#41 Mattl on 08.09.22 at 3:41 pm

Fantastic news. I’m pro development but no reason to tear down historical sites, lots of land in Canada to erect SFH’s.

#42 JV on 08.09.22 at 3:43 pm

Incredible news!

Thank-you to all for the effort.

#43 IHCTD9 on 08.09.22 at 3:43 pm

Glad to hear smart folks prevailed this time. Seems to be getting rarer every day in Canada.

That is a stately old house for sure. With the history inside, it is a no brainer to keep around. There are only so many physical representations of our collective history and building of a nation that still remain – once they’re gone, they’re gone forever.

Places like these get more important the older they become. Make sure you replace that missing shutter.

#44 Doug t on 08.09.22 at 3:46 pm

NICE WORK PEOPLE

#45 DON on 08.09.22 at 3:47 pm

Well done!

Congrats on keeping a piece of history.

#46 Weenerman on 08.09.22 at 3:51 pm

Congrats Garth!

#47 Søren Angst on 08.09.22 at 3:52 pm

Goliath.

David.

David had friends, a pile of cash and a WHOLE LOT OF HEART.

—————

Brindisi Garth.

PS:

Bernini sculpted you Garth, striking resemblance as you often write about yourself, furled lips and all…

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_(Bernini)#/media/File:Bernini's_David_02.jpg

#48 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.09.22 at 3:54 pm

I guess the ironic thing for the disappointed Developer is.

Having a historic, stately mansion in the neighborhood will have a positive effect on property values.

#49 X on 08.09.22 at 4:00 pm

Congratulations! Well done Garth, and to all involved.

I look forward to one day seeing a photo of the place restored to it’s former glory. Perhaps the lawn will once again host a wedding on it’s grounds.

We need more stories like this on the news.

#50 Greg on 08.09.22 at 4:01 pm

Amazing news! Congratulations to everyone involved :)

#51 TS Harpoon on 08.09.22 at 4:03 pm

CONGRATULATIONS! Well done team! Yes – our heritage matters.

#52 PC on 08.09.22 at 4:03 pm

Congrats Garth and thanks!

#53 NOSTRADAMUS on 08.09.22 at 4:07 pm

CALL ME CURIOUS?
Garth, you have pointed out on numerous occasions that real estate value’s are in free fall. This begs an unsettling question, when you hook up with the developer, Brain Graydon on Friday, with the intent being, to submit your offer on this historic family home, how do you arrive at a fair market value figure? Now that the property is well on it’s way to being designated a “Heritage Building”, would, in my opinion, strongly suggest the property has limited value. Special use, one of a kind, with few if any comparable sales to indicate true value. I suspect that the banks, now and in the future, will be hesitant to advance any meaningful funds towards the purchase price of this handcuffed property. From a purchaser’s point of view, in addition to falling real estate values, together, would substantiate a much lower offer. Now, in the event that you and Mr. Graydon can not come to terms, what does the future hold for this “Heritage Designated” home? Will it fall into disrepair as so many other Heritage Designated homes fall into, when the owners fall on hard times? Steady Lads, hold the line.

#54 Alberta Ed on 08.09.22 at 4:12 pm

Good on ya, Garth. Canada needs more folks like you.

#55 Jens on 08.09.22 at 4:17 pm

Congrats Garth!

I wonder if the presence of Elgin Hall would actually add enough extra value to that subdivision, especially if designated as a community hub residents could use/rent, to offset for those 6 lots “lost” to the developer. Certainly the media coverage did. Smart move on the part of the developer to indicate they are cooperating with the council’s decision.

#56 Donmac55 on 08.09.22 at 4:23 pm

A proud moment for your family, the town, the province and the rest of the country. Glad we could help out in our small way.

#57 Søren Angst on 08.09.22 at 4:29 pm

Summertime energy bill this AM bright & early, as in have a nice day from ENEL Energia – as if.

Full on AC, smokin’ hot past 2 months. Electricity bill, includes €18 for cable TV (mandatory), of €188.81 for 966 kWh, June/July. Less the cable TV charge, electricity price incl. taxes, etc.:

€0.177/kWh
[about CAD $0.23/kWh]

Have not abandoned my CDN ENERGY PORKER ways in Italia. Someone has to increase Italian GDP. Me in Italia, upper curve and the Plebeii, lower curve:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab=chart&country=CAN~ITA

—————

Still Covid negative this morning w/o a mask since Spring, low utility bill. All around a GOOD day also knowing that

🍁 preserves its history rather than paving over it.

Queue “Ode to Joy”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChygZLpJDNE&t=862s

#58 ogdoad on 08.09.22 at 4:34 pm

Wow! Good work. Congrats to all the people involved and well deserved shot of dopa….

Speaking of ‘shot of something’ isn’t that place close to London….like drug, homeless, mental health, bar, brewery, pot shop capital of the WORLD? Whatever…

Anyway, imagine (sorry) what combined efforts can accomplish? We can make it happen. No matter what. Teamwork makes dreams work.

What, should you conquer next?

Og

#59 Rosanna on 08.09.22 at 4:34 pm

Congratulations and thank you, Garth!

#60 Stroller on 08.09.22 at 4:36 pm

Excellent result and my respect and gratitude to all involved in the campaign.

#61 Interesting on 08.09.22 at 4:39 pm

First, congratulations. They don’t make them as they used to.

Second, great job on going back and preserving your heritage and history.

Now, onto the elephant in the room: How far back should one go to preserve heritage? Should one be entitled to do so and not another? Should one have the tools and means and other not?

Perhaps this preservation of this heritage and history and preventing others from destroying it offers us all some perspective on why the Natives of this land wish to restore and preserve theirs? Stop wrongs from continuing and prevent new wrongs from happening to them?

It is fair to ask why we feel satisfaction in success in this case for Turner clan l and not sadness for failure of another trying to achieve the very same thing? Many would say their claim is rightful and lawful – and being denied the chance to be presented and argued as was possible in this case.

#62 cramar on 08.09.22 at 4:42 pm

So thankful for the outcome, Garth. The house SHOULD be yours, since you have the heritage roots, and fortunately the finances to acquire it.

CONGRATULATIONS!

#63 WTF on 08.09.22 at 4:42 pm

Well done! Amazing turnaround in such a short interval.

As stated, History is Important, too much already destroyed due to greed and expediency.

Too Bad Lunenburg Council couldn’t have had the same cojones regarding Canada Day flags and pathetic criminal wokesters.

#64 Gabriele Turner on 08.09.22 at 4:46 pm

Congratulations – wonderful building. Okay, you have put your money where your mouth is but now you might wish to consider involving your heart a little more. Looks like a place where one could find office space ( at the very least) for a DOG RESCUE CENTRE. Bandit would approve.

#65 Derek on 08.09.22 at 4:47 pm

We all won on this one

#66 Get Back Loretta on 08.09.22 at 4:48 pm

I am happy for you. And all the people that stood up and spoke up to save Elgin Hall. Too much of our history and architecture has been lost, due in no small part to those in power who lacked the foresight. I’ve seen places like Hamilton, Ontario knock down heritage buildings until they came to their senses in the 90’s. And have witnessed much of the same in Vancouver, BC. The ability to save our history takes some vision, and I’m glad to see the council deciding Elgin Hall’s future had some. Bravo.

#67 TurnerNation on 08.09.22 at 4:52 pm

Perhaps this skirmish would be described wryly as:
Heir In the Awful Places.

P.S. are we looking upcoming at an epic Blog Dog lawn/house party?

#68 Rosetta on 08.09.22 at 4:52 pm

CONGRATULATIONS!!

#69 Ed on 08.09.22 at 4:58 pm

I’m glad the building will be restored, I have restored several old precious building in Alberta…all were irreplaceable.

Perhaps forming a charitable society to fund restoration & operations similar to this

https://lougheedhouse.com/lougheed-house-conservation-society/

or this

http://www.edmontonmapsheritage.ca/location/mckay-avenue-school/

would be the ticket.

They did turn out pretty nice.

#70 Nora Lenderby on 08.09.22 at 5:00 pm

Well done, Mr. Turner!
Your ancestors would be proud of you. Seriously.
And I hope everyone walks away from this deal feeling good about it, that would be a fine thing…

#71 Stealth on 08.09.22 at 5:01 pm

Congratulations.

#72 Doug t on 08.09.22 at 5:06 pm

Garth how bout a bbq at the house once the ink dries

#73 Mark Bourrie on 08.09.22 at 5:07 pm

Congratulations.

#74 HD KnuckleHead on 08.09.22 at 5:08 pm

A win for the good guys!

Great place to put a huge Canadian flag ;)

#75 Bartman on 08.09.22 at 5:09 pm

Really uplifting news for a change. Restores a little faith eh!

#76 HPVictoria on 08.09.22 at 5:09 pm

Congrats Garth! That’s great news.

#77 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.09.22 at 5:12 pm

The beginning on the layoffs?

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/09/hootsuite-layoffs-vancouver-tech-company/

#78 Don on 08.09.22 at 5:13 pm

“Roots matter. History matters. Forgetting where you came from makes the path ahead uncertain and dangerous. It’s time to stop apologizing for those who lived before us or judging them through the narrow lens of political correctness. Nor should we throw them under the treads of progress. We can be proud and progressive all at once.”

Absolutely correct. By removing statues, you cannot erase the past. BRING THOSE STATUES BACK. They are part of history, like it or not.

#79 So glad I sold on 08.09.22 at 5:16 pm

Congratulations! Well done! I was hoping this historic building could be saved.

#80 Melissa on 08.09.22 at 5:23 pm

So happy at the outcome Garth! Congratulations! Glad we could all come together to help :)

#81 Udar on 08.09.22 at 5:25 pm

Big congrats, Mr. Turner! Canada needs more people like you.
When you put your offer to that developer, we will understand if you forget about some rule of 90.

#82 Frank on 08.09.22 at 5:27 pm

Congrats Garth!

#83 RichardTO on 08.09.22 at 5:28 pm

Contemporary progressives hold views antithetical to the reverence for the past.

#84 David on 08.09.22 at 5:28 pm

Way to go Garth! You have done a good thing.

#85 BobinKits on 08.09.22 at 5:31 pm

Congrats, Elgin Hall looks stunning! Well done Garth and company, keep up the good work.

#86 Atrate on 08.09.22 at 5:31 pm

I was proud and glad to be able to be a small part of this. I am thrilled that Elgin Hall will live to fight another day, and will be very interested to see what you will do with the beautiful old building.

#87 DJT on 08.09.22 at 5:32 pm

Get a WFH job with the Federal Government, then you can get one or two other jobs at the same time.

#88 The Original Jake on 08.09.22 at 5:32 pm

A win for Canada and all Canadians. Imagine what Europe would be today if every historical building were demolished to suit modern society. Canadians one day long in the future will now be able to see and touch a part of our history and not just read about it.

#89 alberta guy in ab on 08.09.22 at 5:33 pm

Garth, well done. As with all of your other real estate rescues i expect you will bring it up to stunning current standard while preserving the bones that make it great. Look forward to visiting you and Dorothy when it is completed. Send pictures.

#90 Brunett43 on 08.09.22 at 5:35 pm

Happy to see your victory, Garth. Even made CTV news here in London.
https://london.ctvnews.ca/172-year-old-home-spared-from-demolition-in-oxford-county-1.6020082

CONGRATS!!!!!

#91 Grunt on 08.09.22 at 5:36 pm

Built 1850. Toronto (York?) First railway track was 1853.
The war of 1812 38 years earlier. They probably still felt skittish about the Yankees.

#92 Dragonfly58 on 08.09.22 at 5:40 pm

Great effort, great result !

#93 Well Done on 08.09.22 at 5:45 pm

Cheers Garth! It’s a great life if you don’t weaken.

#94 DavidW2 on 08.09.22 at 5:47 pm

A well deserved toast to all those who led the charge and pitched in. Cheers

#95 CJohnC on 08.09.22 at 5:47 pm

Great to hear Garth. A wonderful win for both you and the community.

#96 SunShowers on 08.09.22 at 5:55 pm

#17 Rook on 08.09.22 at 3:04 pm
“My understanding of progressivism is that it relies on the ability to re-write and re-frame history as Bad and Evil.”

Your understanding is wrong. Prepare yourself, class is in session.

“All morality and actions of the past must be filtered through a contemporary moralist lens, and, only if it passes today’s moral purity test can it be allowed to stand.”

This much is more or less correct, there may be hope for you yet.

“Thus, context, and the morals of the time don’t matter, only absolutism.”

Here is your tripping point. There is no such thing as “morals of the time”. Morals are indeed, in nearly all relevant cases, absolute.

For example, chattel slavery in the American south. It’s obviously bad now, but it was also bad when it was legal and commonplace. Do you know how we know this was the case with 100% certainty?
If you went up to a slaveowner at the time and asked them “How’d you like to be a slave?” they would reply in the negative with 100% certainty.

Everyone at the time KNEW slavery was abhorrent because nobody desired it for themselves. The difference between now and then is not that the abhorrence of slavery has at all changed, it is that white people with the power to be slaveowners extremely reluctantly extended to black people the same rights to bodily autonomy that white people have always themselves enjoyed.

So now that we can safely dispose of these flimsy appeals to “context”, the question remains what to be done with the past? It’s safe to say that people like slaveowners and the architects of the residential school system deserve no veneration. Their statues should be moved to museums, where a more balanced view of their lives can be presented than can be in a park. Things named in their honor should be renamed. These are pretty easy fixes that are already taking place. We should be honoring and making monuments to victims, not perpetrators.

How many Hitler statues do you think remain standing in Germany? He is an important political figure of the past, right? Can’t forget him, now can we? So there should be statues, to remind us of his evil, right? Should the Germans be erecting Hitler statues in parks to remind everyone of how evil he was? I trust you see the issue.

Which brings us to…Elgin Hall. It’s a nice building with lots of character, and I do like older architecture like that! I wish we were still building tudor-style homes with timber framing, instead of cheap junk that doesn’t even look nice. Not sure much more really needs to be said about it, because I’m not sure how it fits in to the previous topic.

#97 jimbo on 08.09.22 at 5:57 pm

great news…Another ice cream parlour?

#98 45north on 08.09.22 at 6:03 pm

Well, the big council meeting to consider protecting Elgin Hall took place on Tuesday morning.

In the end, we won.

congratulations Garth

#99 Niagara bound on 08.09.22 at 6:07 pm

Great work and good to hear. I just hope it doesn’t go poof in the night as historical building are want to do. It would be a shame. Keep any eye on it.

#100 Dr V on 08.09.22 at 6:13 pm

“So I will be meeting with developer Brian Graydon on Friday morning, putting my money where my mouth is.”
————————————————————–

The developer expected this issue to arise, kept his
options open and waited for this to play out. Now the negotiations. Remember, raw land cost + profit on serviced building lot + profit on new house construction (if the developer does that).

Good luck.

#101 the jaguar on 08.09.22 at 6:17 pm

Oh …maybe you can fly the flag on July 1st and set off a few fireworks from Elgin House!
That was for you Marcia de LoonieBurg.

#102 Beagleface on 08.09.22 at 6:32 pm

Garth:
Congrats to you and your team for saving Elgin Hall from the bulldozers. Looks like all my finger and toe crossing paid off. lol

#103 KLNR on 08.09.22 at 6:39 pm

congrats Garth and bravo for putting your money where your mouth is.

#104 KLNR on 08.09.22 at 6:40 pm

@#53 NOSTRADAMUS on 08.09.22 at 4:07 pm
CALL ME CURIOUS?
Garth, you have pointed out on numerous occasions that real estate value’s are in free fall. This begs an unsettling question, when you hook up with the developer, Brain Graydon on Friday, with the intent being, to submit your offer on this historic family home, how do you arrive at a fair market value figure? Now that the property is well on it’s way to being designated a “Heritage Building”, would, in my opinion, strongly suggest the property has limited value. Special use, one of a kind, with few if any comparable sales to indicate true value. I suspect that the banks, now and in the future, will be hesitant to advance any meaningful funds towards the purchase price of this handcuffed property. From a purchaser’s point of view, in addition to falling real estate values, together, would substantiate a much lower offer. Now, in the event that you and Mr. Graydon can not come to terms, what does the future hold for this “Heritage Designated” home? Will it fall into disrepair as so many other Heritage Designated homes fall into, when the owners fall on hard times? Steady Lads, hold the line.

Garth has always espoused buy what you can afford.

#105 Rapier Wit on 08.09.22 at 6:43 pm

Outstanding! We’ll done all and Congratulations Garth!

#106 Ordinary Blog Dog on 08.09.22 at 6:45 pm

Congrats Garth – and thank you to all that did their part. Hopefully your negotiations will be successful. A piece of Canadian history may endure after all this. I hope you refresh the property like you have done with others. The bank in Lunenburg is nice – good job Garth.

#107 Annek on 08.09.22 at 6:46 pm

Great news! The power of people can make a difference, (at least some of the time)

#108 Steven Rowlandson on 08.09.22 at 6:48 pm

Very good Garth! Very good. At least something of old Canada is being preserved. More needs to be done.

#109 Ponzius Pilatus on 08.09.22 at 6:49 pm

Good News.
Thanks Garth and everyone else who helped to preserve a piece of history.

#110 Bluebird on 08.09.22 at 6:52 pm

Congratulations Garth!

#111 Islandgirl on 08.09.22 at 6:55 pm

For a beautiful building that I will likely never see in person, it brings me joy to know that it won’t be razed for another forgotten development. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I have taught my children how important it is to not forget history, and glad to see that at least this small piece will be here for future generations to see.

#112 chalkie on 08.09.22 at 7:02 pm

Wonderful News, wishing you all the Best.

#113 Steel City Kid on 08.09.22 at 7:03 pm

Excellent news!! We don’t have many old buildings in Canada, glad this one will be saved. Congratulations to Garth and all the others who made this happen – and all the best as the planning and work goes forward.

#114 Lumber on 08.09.22 at 7:06 pm

Yay!! ❤️

#115 Harry on 08.09.22 at 7:07 pm

Awesome show of community power. History can’t be changed by ignoring it, it happened. Make things better going forward instead.

#116 Bob in Hamilton on 08.09.22 at 7:17 pm

“Roots matter. History matters.”

….for some people in Canada and that’s good.

However, they are few and far between in the country today….just not enough of them anymore.

Good luck with your negotiations.

#117 Figmund Sreud on 08.09.22 at 7:19 pm

“Thank you.”
___________________

No trouble whatsoever, … the news is most excellent! May “the ancient pile of yellow bricks” serve the community well, …

Now, we need another `collective’ project, … we need to work on the society as a whole, I suggest.

Yes! The society has become so fake recently that the truth, reason, rational arguments actually bothers people!

Not a very encouraging trend, …

Best,

F.S. – Calgary, Alberta.

#118 Russ on 08.09.22 at 7:19 pm

This is all good news Garth.

Not even close to your heritage , as I have a humble beginning being a middle child of seven with poor ol’ dad feeding the family on a millworker’s wages.

Image our surprise when we take the news of our “new” house acquisition to the folks in the year of our lord 2000ish and it turns out to be the place where dad grew up in the dirty ’30s.

An update in late 70s to modernize it with copper plumbing and new wires was good too.

Dad spent the next 6 weeks brush clearing, as being retired, and had a big grin the whole time. RIP

.

Is this a good time to discuss again the closing down of the comments sections? :)

Cheers, R

#119 Trish on 08.09.22 at 7:20 pm

You’re a good man, Garth Turner!
I’ll probably never see the building either, but knowing it survives and is cherished for its role in our shared history is enough.

#120 I'm A Believer on 08.09.22 at 7:26 pm

Respect.

#121 Leichendiener on 08.09.22 at 7:26 pm

Congratulations Garth! I am more impressed with each blog I read. Personally, based on my own beliefs, your ancestors are very impressed. As for Brian Graydon, your name is out there.

#122 Dazed and CONfused on 08.09.22 at 7:26 pm

Although a daily Garth reader, I haven’t posted here in a long while, but this one definitely deserves a huge Congrats.

Honestly, I didn’t foresee a happy ending to this David vs. Goliath dilemma, but others with incredible fortitude came through.

Hopefully, the meeting with the developer will bring forth an amicable solution for all parties.

#123 Sask to AB on 08.09.22 at 7:27 pm

Wonderful news!!!

#124 tom black on 08.09.22 at 7:33 pm

This is Peak Garth

well done, you’ll be remembered for actions like this…

TB

#125 The General on 08.09.22 at 7:38 pm

# 96- Sunshowers : When all your pontificating and windbaggery fails, bring out the Big H. Explain Slave Lake, Great Slave lake and the Slavey peoples next, oh self righteous expert in your own mind.

#126 mark on 08.09.22 at 7:42 pm

Well done, Garth.

#127 PeterfromCalgary on 08.09.22 at 7:42 pm

Congratulations! History is important. We learn from it if we preserve it.

#128 PeterfromCalgary on 08.09.22 at 7:45 pm

Want to see what Garth looked like as a baby. Click on this article about Elgin Hall

#129 Mrs Hubris on 08.09.22 at 7:45 pm

Way to go, Garth. Great news! I hope the developer accepts your offer with good grace. We could not agree more: too many genuinely good and solid values are under attack today from the blunderbuss of the latest extremist political hunting party. It is no less than ridiculous to be ashamed of our history in its entirety. Tearing everything down (metaphorically and literally) as these new ideologies march (all too often vindictively on), is not the answer to anything. It just generates a different mass of extreme human resentment. There is true greatness in earlier times and in our present, as well as many mistakes and that is simply the nature of all mankind. Well done on a victory for something of real value from the past. What a lovely building.

#130 PeterfromCalgary on 08.09.22 at 7:46 pm

Whoops I typed to fast here is the article.

https://onlyunitedstatesnews.com/should-this-former-confederation-yellow-brick-house-be-torn-down-to-make-room-for-the-street-ous-news/

#131 Drill Baby Drill on 08.09.22 at 8:07 pm

Congrats Dog Blog God.

#132 Drill Baby Drill on 08.09.22 at 8:09 pm

Just looked at Garth’s baby picture. He still dresses the same. Bwahahahaha

#133 Keith on 08.09.22 at 8:10 pm

Living in Vancouver, where there was no process to preserve heritage buildings until the eighties, this story does warm my heart. Sometimes we need to save the past, instead of just making money. I look forward to the continuation of this story as you find a new purpose for this old gem.

#134 Overheardyou on 08.09.22 at 8:15 pm

Hurray for Elgin Hall! If I’m in the area I’ll be sure to visit this part of the history of Canada

#135 Lorenzo Solime on 08.09.22 at 8:16 pm

I am so proud of all the people who supported this initiative (myself included). Job well done! And I am happy for you Garth

#136 Blessed_Canadian_Millennial on 08.09.22 at 8:22 pm

This is the best news I’ve heard this year!

Congrats to all that helped in this cause.

#137 Unpinned on 08.09.22 at 8:23 pm

Elgin Hall is a beauty to remind us of who we are and how we got here and how close we are to the 19th century.

#138 Cow Man on 08.09.22 at 8:26 pm

Sir Garth:

Greatly appreciate those that started the effort to save Elgin Hall. However without your blog and your connections, would Council have followed the money instead of integrity ? MSM still matters when it comes to integrity of elected officials. And your offer to buy the Elgin Hall would also be a game changer, since the public purse could not afford to maintain the property.

#139 protea on 08.09.22 at 8:28 pm

Your heart is in the right place. You are a true mensch.

#140 Where's My Money Going Greedeau? on 08.09.22 at 8:29 pm

I hope that I can get some advise from the blog dogs (and cats).
I posed a touchy question involving free EV charging paid by taxpayers (that much I know, acknowledged by City Director) at my BC mid-sized town (AB).
The Director chimed that it was “saving the environment and a great green initiative”. When I queried, after saying he was blabbing green speak and taxpayers were footing the bill for their commute every day and if it was part of their contract and/or if they were claiming it as a taxable benefit, I received the comment that it was none of my business and hung up on.
To add some spice to the story, approximately one week after this conversation there was a fire in the records department of City Hall and now there is no info available on this event other than a one-time small blurb in the local paper, AB news.
To add more sauce to this dish, I queried a 3 year security guard monitoring the Hall and its restoration and he told me that, conveniently, there were no cameras that caught anything, even though he said that he has had to chase away vagrants camping under the canopy close to the entrance every morning.
The night before was balmy, so no need for a warm fire. I phoned the police and fire departments to find out the status of the investigation and I was told that I HAVE to go through City Hall for answers!
It has been over a month and still no public media release mention of the follow-up/investigation decision.
So the questions are, why would their records department room be right beside such an insecure area and have no cameras even though they have had people camping right beside it most nights? How can I get some transparency in this smaller town (180,000)? Should this investigation be sent to another police department since my take it is a little smokey and when there’s fire…..Just to mention that the records room was the only place hit by the fire, other than smoke damage.
How would I go about doing a Freedom Of Information (FOI) request/relating concerns to other police departments about this without triggering a circle of wagons and backlash? The local media is not taking any of this or my concerns seriously.

#141 Sarah on 08.09.22 at 8:30 pm

Wonderful news! And what a great story to add on to the buildings history. How a community came together to save it from destruction. Totally agree “we can be proud and progressive all at once”. The pendulum is always swinging. We’ve swung too far to one side. Time to start swinging towards the middle again.

#142 Brian on 08.09.22 at 8:32 pm

Please make Dotsy the Clown a headliner at the grand re- opening. Balloon animal workshop anyone? Great signage Dotsy!

#143 Slipn Jimmy on 08.09.22 at 8:42 pm

Congratulations !!
Fantastic news.

#144 yvr_lurker on 08.09.22 at 8:57 pm

Am glad that you were able to save something that was precious to you. However, it seems a rather last minute decision by the council that was influenced by “important people”. I don’t think such a scenario would have played out for the “average” folk trying to preserve something valuable for them. Politics = Influence = Special Considerations and special arguments brought forth.

Does the developer get shafted in this process by the council by this last minute change in plans? Can they sue for damages? Who cares….

#145 Lawless on 08.09.22 at 9:00 pm

Congrats on this, Garth. Good to get a win of this type in this province.

#146 Dr V on 08.09.22 at 9:20 pm

140 where’s my money?

https://chargehub.com/en/countries/canada/british-columbia/abbotsford.html

The above site says over half the charging stations in abby are FREE.

#147 THE DANDADA on 08.09.22 at 9:21 pm

“ELGIN HALL” …..

Good name for an upper scale Gentlemen’s Club.

#148 BC BOUND on 08.09.22 at 9:32 pm

Joining the FB page and petition was a small token of appreciation and the least I could do to give back for the numerous posts I’ve read on this blog since 2017 that have shaped my financial future.

#149 Mexican Mama on 08.09.22 at 9:35 pm

Garth, go easy on Brian, he’s one of the good ones!

#150 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.09.22 at 9:39 pm

@#147 The Dandana
““ELGIN HALL” …..

+++
A good name for a Community Hall.

#151 Nonplused on 08.09.22 at 9:42 pm

Congrats on the progress towards saving this landmark, Garth.

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In other news, has anyone else noticed that the panic for recreational product like RV’s, boats, motorcycles, etc. has all but dried up? Oh sure, sellers are still asking top dollar for 20 year old junk, but nothing is moving. No recession, they say. It looks to me like it isn’t just housing.

#152 Rick in Japan on 08.09.22 at 9:44 pm

Just getting the bus to go to the airport to return to Canada for the first time in six years

Congratulations, I’ve been following it on Facebook and think it’s a little worthy cause.

Have a great day

#153 A01 on 08.09.22 at 9:50 pm

Good luck… looks like a lovely building.

#154 THE DANDADA on 08.09.22 at 9:54 pm

@ #150 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.09.22 at 9:39 pm
@#147 The Dandana
““ELGIN HALL” …..

+++
A good name for a Community Hall.

—————-

Exactly…….. wink wink.

#155 Jimbo on 08.09.22 at 10:02 pm

Congratulations!!

May the TORE god’s and BOC have mercy on your soul.

#156 Deano on 08.09.22 at 10:07 pm

Well done!!!

#157 Yvr Renter on 08.09.22 at 10:08 pm

Congratulations!!!

#158 Ponzius Pilatus on 08.09.22 at 10:28 pm

Elgin Hall is just a smaller version of Darlington Hall which is featured in the great movie “Remains of the Day”.
All Elgin Hall needs is a “Great Butler” and a loyal housekeeper to bring back its former glory.

#159 Don on 08.09.22 at 10:41 pm

Yes!!!, Congratulation Garth!

I am pleasently surprised that you could get this done without my invaluable signature. I couldn’t sign the FB petition, because I have been banned by the “WOKE” folks there, for my “politically incorrect” comments.

Do I miss it? Nah. Ef them.

#160 Pam on 08.09.22 at 11:22 pm

So, so happy to hear this wonderful news.
Congratulations, Garth et al on this momentous victory! Well done!

#161 Terrie Rolph on 08.09.22 at 11:32 pm

So pleased with this result. Thank you.

#162 Stoph on 08.09.22 at 11:39 pm

I’m happy for you Garth.

Just wait, the developer will advertise the new development as being next to the historic Elgin Hall.

#163 Squire on 08.10.22 at 12:09 am

Fantastical ! Something positive for a change.

#164 Adam on 08.10.22 at 12:24 am

The developer is probably thinking to themselves “Why didn’t we just bulldoze this when we had the chance!”. lol

#165 Landlord no more on 08.10.22 at 12:28 am

I am thrilled to read this news
Toasting everyone who helped in any way possible
Thanks and congratulations Garth for even having the idea!!!

#166 JWD on 08.10.22 at 12:41 am

Taken by 5 bucks from the go fund me/ charge me. Whatever. Worth it. History preserved. Money well spent Garth. Congrats!

#167 Rj on 08.10.22 at 12:51 am

Congrats!!!

#168 Meghan on 08.10.22 at 1:08 am

Bravo. It took a lot of effort to save your house, now let’s band together and save our country from the leftist extremism that has brought us all to near destruction. Let’s all be just as vocal and demanding. Let’s pull our heads from under the sand and strive to save our country, our farms, our industry, our collective heritage. Open your mouths wide.!Canada needs you now!!

#169 Investx on 08.10.22 at 2:17 am

“It’s time to stop apologizing for those who lived before us or judging them through the narrow lens of political correctness.”

#170 Bloke in the UK on 08.10.22 at 4:11 am

Roots matter. History matters. Forgetting where you came from makes the path ahead uncertain and dangerous. It’s time to stop apologizing for those who lived before us or judging them through the narrow lens of political correctness. Nor should we throw them under the treads of progress. We can be proud and progressive all at once.

I wish more people here in the UK understood this. Kudos to you, Garth. Any chance of getting a decent bloke like you to stand for PM over here instead of the lightweight chancers trying for the job? :-)

#171 Stock Market Speculator on 08.10.22 at 5:34 am

Great news. Congratulations to all who made this happen!

#172 under the radar on 08.10.22 at 5:47 am

53- I suspect the house will be relocated from its present location which is permitted under the Heritage Act. As to value, the cost of removal and relocation will be significant.
It’s not clear to me whether Garth is trying to purchase for his own use or for the benefit of a local historical society or other public use. As for financing , not happening. Garth is writing a cheque. Well done Garth.

#173 Stevce French on 08.10.22 at 6:49 am

Lord Elgin should be CANCELLED !

Because he had a racist thought in 1846….

#174 Dharma Bum on 08.10.22 at 7:49 am

But…where’s the Kwiki -Mart gonna go now???

#175 John Corry on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

So glad to hear this wonderful news. Well done in showing that yes you can make a difference if you care!

#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

While Garth saves entire buildings across Canada….

The City of Vancouver finds The Balmoral Hotel sign,

“The Balmoral, prior to its closure, was a site of harm and trauma to many former residents and their families, friends, and community,” said a City statement.

“The sign is symbolic of the building and The City is sensitive to further re-traumatizing former residents and their families, friends, and community.”

The Balmoral is closed and will be torn down….by the city.
The sign is a 1930’s “art deco” style neon sign for which the city was once famous.
Several people have come forward to BUY the old sign to use as a template to manufacture a new sign to be put on display as a sample of Vancouver’s neon history…

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/historic-neon-sign-to-be-trashed-by-the-city-of-vancouver

Nope.
Goin to the trash to save Vancouver Wokesters from further trauma……

While they order the police to further “traumatize” the homeless 2 blocks down the same street.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9047306/vancouver-removal-east-hastings-tents/

#177 Dominoes Lining Up on 08.10.22 at 9:15 am

Saved? Maybe not so much for home owners who bought after the 1800s, lol.

New report indicates significant spike in bankruptcies, due in large part to mortgage insolvencies.

https://www.thestar.com/business/2022/08/10/more-canadians-are-filing-for-personal-bankruptcy.html

“Fluctuating housing prices might paint a bit of a picture about why consumer insolvencies are on the rise, said David Macdonald, a senior economist with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. When house prices are high, insolvencies based on mortgage payments typically stay lower because people are able to fall back on the sale of a house to pay off growing debt. When prices dip, though, selling a house to pay off a loan is no longer an option.

“You start to get under water, you can’t sell for enough money to cover the loan, and then you end up in insolvency,” Macdonald said.

Mortgage insolvency tends to be seen as an indicator of trouble in the housing market, he said. With housing prices falling since early this year, people may be less able to cover their debts with the sale of their home and instead are renegotiating the terms of the debt, Macdonald said.”

Hmmm…anybody got the number for Harold the Jewellery Buyer…?

#178 Philco on 08.10.22 at 9:40 am

Nice!
It amazing the things we have to fight for.
Ie
After paying hords of taxes…much waisted I have to donate to peeps or other causes to fight ignorant policies of those who are elected. While at least in theroy elected I think the books where cooked on the last one.
Calling an election waisting money in a pandemic.
I’m just reminding the short sighted or poor memories of the nation of the idiot that’s in charge.
Sorry Garth it’s true.

Another pet pieve a small example…broker charges at the boarder. $150 backhoe part $60. They do NOTHING just a cash grab pushing up the cost of business. I told UPS to stuf it.
Milk boards egg boards on and on.

What a messed up country. T2 made it worse.

#179 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:44 am

Hey Soren A.,

Look at TWTR go. There should be good drama in the days ahead.

If you’re in the black, I suggest you sell immediately, then commit ritual Sudoku for subjecting us (and Elon!) to months of bellyaching. Geez, take ownership.

#180 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:54 am

Soren when a stock that he freely and openly chose to buy fluctuates downward:

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-90fbbe1acfc940a9285d0c2a90cd31db

#181 Chris on 08.10.22 at 9:56 am

Congratulations! Great news.

#182 millmech on 08.10.22 at 9:58 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianInvestor/comments/wjiqmg/gta_detached_home_price_changes_feb_july_from_peak/

#183 Don on 08.10.22 at 10:42 am

#173 Steve French

Lord Elgin should be CANCELLED!

Do you think that will do any good? Look at racism around you today, NOT history.

Why do you think “Auschwitz” was NOT razed to the ground? Because it is history. There is a lesson to be learned.

Learn from history and fix what’s around you.

This “WOKE culture” is the beginning of the decay of society, without a foundation.

#184 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 10:43 am

#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

While Garth saves entire buildings across Canada….

The City of Vancouver finds The Balmoral Hotel sign,

“The Balmoral, prior to its closure, was a site of harm and trauma to many former residents and their families, friends, and community,” said a City statement.

———–

How about: ‘…a site of self-harm and self-trauma resulting from lifetimes of consistently bad decision making. Residents willingly chose to continue their paths of self-destruction even while sheltered by the benevolent comfort of the Balmoral, trashing the building and destroying the building owner’s investment.’

#185 Nost...algia on 08.10.22 at 11:49 am

#183 Don

Why do you think “Auschwitz” was NOT razed to the ground?

Have you been?

I gotta be honest with you…Auschwitz looks like it is turnkey ready and could be made operational in probably days because of the conservation. More and more concerning in recent months to be honest.

That is the impression I got and why I think a park with plaques for peaceful reflection would do just fine in my view. Perhaps a museum building. Like at ground zero in Hiroshima. But that’s my opinion and my opinion doesn’t matter to what actually happens there.

#186 alberta guy in ab on 08.10.22 at 11:52 am

PS. this would make a wonderful restoration with the goal of a high end B&B ela of the period…ala downton abbey…just a thought

#187 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 11:53 am

#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

Nope.
Goin to the trash to save Vancouver Wokesters from further trauma……

While they order the police to further “traumatize” the homeless 2 blocks down the same street.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9047306/vancouver-removal-east-hastings-tents/
____

…and a fresh new murder in Surrey to boot. Broad daylight again, this time with an innocent victim on the casualty list.

From an external view – it looks like BC is just letting things go. A bunch of woke excuses for doing nothing is about the extent of the effort. The whole southern end of BC appears to be turning into an impossibly expensive crime infested dump, completely devoid of Law Enforcement.

#188 Gravy Train on 08.10.22 at 11:54 am

#184 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 10:43 am
How about: ‘…a site of self-harm and self-trauma resulting from lifetimes of consistently bad decision making. Residents willingly chose to continue their paths of self-destruction even while sheltered by the benevolent comfort of the Balmoral, trashing the building and destroying the building owner’s investment.’

Now, what are your thoughts about Trump and his attack on the U.S. Capitol?! :)

#189 Dragonfly58 on 08.10.22 at 12:06 pm

Remember Sail Away, that is true, But only for Settlers.

#190 Dragonfly58 on 08.10.22 at 12:16 pm

IHC, what is anyone to do ? The “system ” is broken and bankrupt. We are getting closer to a tipping point with each passing year.
The middle class are slowly slipping into something approaching poverty. Larger and larger group of working poor each year.
And the lowest ranks are at the level of a South American favela.
It’s a mess , a big mess.

#191 The Awakened One on 08.10.22 at 12:23 pm

Wonderful news! Congratulations!
Very cute baby pic of Garth on CBC :O)
But he still can’t match great grandpa’s full beard though..

#192 Ruane on 08.10.22 at 12:24 pm

That’s amazing, Garth. Congratulations!

#193 Robbie on 08.10.22 at 12:55 pm

Good on you, Garth!

#194 Bitter end on 08.10.22 at 1:05 pm

#179 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:44 am
#180 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:54 am
#184 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 10:43 am

Someone woke up on the bitter end of the shackle this morning.

As papa Warren, known for wasting hours on the internet whining about woke politics, has often said; “success comes to those who kvetch at internet phantasms at 6:30 in the morning.”

Clown factor 11.

#195 In the year 2525 on 08.10.22 at 1:08 pm

#187 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 11:53 am
#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

____

From an external view – it looks like BC is just letting things go

))((

At this rate, may catch up with ON by 2030

#196 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 1:12 pm

#188 Gravy Train on 08.10.22 at 11:54 am
#184 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 10:43 am

How about: ‘…a site of self-harm and self-trauma resulting from lifetimes of consistently bad decision making. Residents willingly chose to continue their paths of self-destruction even while sheltered by the benevolent comfort of the Balmoral, trashing the building and destroying the building owner’s investment.’

Now, what are your thoughts about Trump and his attack on the U.S. Capitol?! :)

——–

Sure, twist my rubber arm:

‘President Trump’s speech claimed unfair illegal actions had been leveled against him (and by extension, against his supporters and their beliefs). This roused his devotees, and the more extreme responded by scuffling with police, then breaking into the Capitol and remaining there for a period of time, vandalizing and stealing items within.

One protester was shot dead by police and a number of Capitol police were injured, with 17 officers remaining off work due to injuries 6 months following the event. Thankfully, no governmental or elected officials were injured in the melee.

In future, Capitol security may want to consider setting up hard line defenses at main entryways with lethal consequences to deter aggressive trespassers as it is well-established that shooting a few ringleaders can quite effectively deflate a mob’s ambition.’

How’s that?

#197 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 1:32 pm

@#187 IHCTD9
“The whole southern end of BC appears to be turning into an impossibly expensive crime infested dump, completely devoid of Law Enforcement.”
++
Yep.
Thats what happens when the Woke have free reign to set policy and throw the ” systemically racist” police under the “Defund” bus.

If Hizzoner Kennedy Stewrat and the City Clowncil get back in power for another 4 years…..god help the city.

Oh. Didnt you hear?
The gangs killing each other in broad daylight on city streets will all stop due to lack of firearms when Trudeau removes the last legally owned firearm in Canada.

#198 Arthur Goldsmith on 08.10.22 at 1:32 pm

Ruthless! Well done Garth. <3

#199 Habitt on 08.10.22 at 1:45 pm

Congratulations Garth! Well done.

#200 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 2:10 pm

#190 Dragonfly58 on 08.10.22 at 12:16 pm
IHC, what is anyone to do ? The “system ” is broken and bankrupt. We are getting closer to a tipping point with each passing year.
The middle class are slowly slipping into something approaching poverty. Larger and larger group of working poor each year.
And the lowest ranks are at the level of a South American favela.
It’s a mess , a big mess.
____

Just like anything else – full bore SHTF will be required before voters change their priorities. Until then, if you happen to live in a burgeoning BC Ghetto, all a guy can do is move. That’s the only option there’s ever been – it’s how ghettos form. IMHO, best plan is to keep an ear to the rail, and get out before property values start to tank in your ‘hood.

My whole life, I was used to hearing absolutely nothing about BC until the property values started hitting the headlines. Now it’s 24/7 murder, gang wars and legions of crackheads taking over whole city blocks.

#201 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 2:39 pm

#195 In the year 2525 on 08.10.22 at 1:08 pm
#187 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 11:53 am
#176 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 8:38 am

____

From an external view – it looks like BC is just letting things go

))((

At this rate, may catch up with ON by 2030
_____

For sure you will.

You guys came out of nowhere 15 years ago and are already nipping at our heels. You are 100% going to blow right past us. That’s scary because you’re only 1/3’rd the size. Vancouver already has *way more* murder than Toronto on a per capita basis.

#202 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 2:47 pm

#194 Bitter end on 08.10.22 at 1:05 pm

#179 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:44 am
#180 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 9:54 am
#184 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 10:43 am

As papa Warren, known for wasting hours on the internet whining about woke politics, has often said; “success comes to those who kvetch at internet phantasms at 6:30 in the morning.”

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Well, I couldn’t do it earlier, since the dogs and I were running up the mountain, and the mountain is not kind to those who run distracted.

Summitted around 5:55, then back to the parking lot by 6:32-ish. Multitasked my words of wisdom while cooling down on the deck. 174 lbs this morning. Lean!

#203 Dave on 08.10.22 at 2:47 pm

I am pleased that my contribution of signing the petition may have, in a small way helped your cause.

#204 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 2:53 pm

@#197 justinflation
“Quite a bit of back child support owing (he was actually finally going to go to jail for not paying to about 12 women he had kids with over the years).”

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Impressive.
Collecting Porsches and Palimony payments.

Sounds like something Ponzie might do.
Speaking of Ponzie.
He might need an accountant.

#205 John Brydle on 08.10.22 at 2:59 pm

Congratulations Garth, well done!

#206 Shawn on 08.10.22 at 3:06 pm

Lune burg is busy today

VerY hard to find a parking spot. Line ups at restaurants.

Someone’s got money. Lots of people do. Hubbards inn tunablue was $299 a night plus tax. Filled.

#207 SunShowers on 08.10.22 at 3:11 pm

#183 Don on 08.10.22 at 10:42 am
“Why do you think “Auschwitz” was NOT razed to the ground? Because it is history. There is a lesson to be learned.”

Yes, precisely. Auschwitz today is a place of somber learning, not of veneration. This is how it should remain. Nobody serious is suggesting Auschwitz be razed to the ground.

Which is why I said earlier that all of these venerated people who took part in atrocities should have their statues moved from context-free places of public regard such as parks/wharfs, and the like, and put in museums. In museums, a properly balanced view of their lives can be had.

Replace their public monuments with memorials to their victims.

#208 Shawn on 08.10.22 at 3:24 pm

Markets up again

Sucks to be a whiny sooner?

#209 Gravy Train on 08.10.22 at 3:29 pm

#196 Sail Away on 08.10.22 at 1:12 pm
Sure, twist my rubber arm: [etc., etc.]. How’s that?

Just a few more questions: How do you think he’ll fare on all his civil and criminal trials? Is he a role model for you? How would you compare or contrast Trump’s success in life with that of, say, Buffett, Gates, Cook or Musk? Okay, now I’ll leave you alone. Have a great day!

#210 IHCTD9 on 08.10.22 at 3:39 pm

#198 crowdedelevatorfartz on 08.10.22 at 1:32 pm
@#187 IHCTD9
“The whole southern end of BC appears to be turning into an impossibly expensive crime infested dump, completely devoid of Law Enforcement.”
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Yep.
Thats what happens when the Woke have free reign to set policy and throw the ” systemically racist” police under the “Defund” bus.

If Hizzoner Kennedy Stewrat and the City Clowncil get back in power for another 4 years…..god help the city.

Oh. Didnt you hear?
The gangs killing each other in broad daylight on city streets will all stop due to lack of firearms when Trudeau removes the last legally owned firearm in Canada.
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Haha – oh yeah, I forgot that Trudeau was ending gun crime once and for all. I’m a little worried about illegal guns though… ah, no worries, everything will be fine!

I don’t blame the Cops. I hope they all make big bucks, take lots of holidays, and retire early. That’ll keep the costs down for the defund wokies (and crime up for everyone else).

#211 Ahmed Khalifa on 08.10.22 at 7:33 pm

Glad to be a foot soldier in your revolutionary guard
Thank you sir

#212 Canadarm2 on 08.10.22 at 8:26 pm

Sorry Garth, but that developer owes YOU money for pain and suffering and being a SOB for not accepting your offer in the first place. Don’t reward his greed by being the “polite” one; people like him deserve nothing but our contempt.

M54ON