On cowardice

If there’s one thing Mr. Market does not want, it’s another lockdown. That could whack the recovery, halt consumer spending, crash the airlines, crush tourism and further tilt society towards the debt abyss. Ditto for commercial real estate, employers and the housing market. A sudden spike in unemployment at this stage would be tough to endure.

So, is this a credible threat? How nasty a bug is this Delta variant?

Hmm. Serious nasty. In the last two weeks virus infections in the US have tripled. The CDC has told people to mask up again, just moments after saying the opposite. The 7-day rolling average for daily new cases has gone from 13,000 to almost 40,000 in the last 22 days. Hospitalizations have surged.

Yesterday new infections hit 63,247, up 145% over fourteen days. This ain’t good. Even Republican leaders are telling their anti-vax flock to get the jab. They know what this could do to an economy emerging from 16 months of angst.

In BC new daily infections have also tripled since early July. In Ontario cases are up slightly, but the real concern is for the young. Over the last three months 96% of those between 19 and 29 who got the bug weren’t vaccinated. Among those 12 to 17 who became infected, 99% had not been inoculated. And across the States the current surge is happening in those states where vaccine hesitancy and Qanon conspiracy whackadoodles abound. It’s astonishing, but 21% of the population and 51% of the non-jabbed believe there are microchips in the vials which the state wants to inject into them, achieving full control.

The result is simple. A new pandemic of the unvaccinated. As Covid finds a home in their bodies, it gets to mutate, spread and end up closing your neighbourhood pizzeria again. At least, that’s what keeps some investors up at night. A Fourth Wave.

Okay, so just more virus porn? Or is this a real threat?

As this blog pointed out months ago, there’s only one door out of this Covid world and that is mass vaccination. So where are we now?

In the US, 188.5 million have received one dose (57%) and 163 million are fully inoculated (50%). Good. But there are 330 million Americans, which means 140 million are at high risk. This led the president to say this week the unvaxed, “are not as smart as I thought they were,” and the USA may mandate all federal workers get the shot.

In Canada (as of last Friday), 26.4 million (70%) have had one shot and 19 million (50%) are fully dosed. The weekly jab rate is around 340,000, and falling. Over seven million people have had no vaccine at all. Women are more vaxed than men (53% vs 47%), and while the wrinklies are well covered (80%) the kiddos are not. Among the 18 to 29 set the rate is only 38%. Even those in their 30s are only 46% covered, with a 55% fully-dosed rate for people a decade older. By the way, almost a million BC residents are unvaxed. Big risk.

So what?

In Canada we’re in w-a-y better shape than the Americans, but far from immune. Millions among us have no protection. Vax rates among the young are wholly inadequate. Meanwhile society is opening fast, the borders are getting porous again, international flights have picked up, normalcy is returning, fear is abating and people are naturally letting their guard, and their masks, down. Most significantly, the pace of vaccinations seems to have crested and is in decline.

What can or should be done?

Simple. Vaccination should be mandatory. As much as it pains an indy-minded, Con-type, Alpha male to say such a thing, it’s just common sense. Employers should insist workers get jabbed before returning to the workplace. Restaurants, gyms, concerts, conventions, cruises and airlines need to see proof of stabbing before providing service. Schools and universities are a no-brainer. Maybe even the streetcar, bus and subway.

After all, vaccinations are free, widely available and in many places now being given at walk-in clinics. There is no excuse for not getting jabbed. It is a moral, ethical and social imperative. As this blog has stated often (to wails of outrage) those who refuse – other than for a certified medical reason – are selfish or cowardly. And probably both.

Meanwhile, before he calls the election, T2 should sanction and announce a vaccine passport. Enough buck-passing to the provinces or hiding before the veil of ‘personal privacy concerns.’ Only by officially shunning those in society who choose to put everyone else at risk will this thing ultimately be defeated.

Days ago Trudeau waffled, weaved and dodged on the issue, hinting such a passport would be for travel only. “The federal government will be involved in the international level of certification, so we have a role to play to make sure that the credentials that Canadians have are going to be able to be accepted around the world but there are lots of active conversations with the provinces on what exact form that will take,” he said.

Britain has a vax passport. Europe has one. Australia and NZ, soon.

But none of them share a long border with a country where microchip fantasies abound among Trump’s delusionals and millions of conspiracy nuts sit, ready to shed. Time to grow a spine.

About the picture: “This is Boo,” writes Jan.  “He is a Saluki mix from Qatar.  He was rescued from the desert with his siblings 3 years ago when he was just a few weeks old lying next to his dead mother.  Sad (but typical) story here.  We were supposed to foster him until he was adopted but you know how it goes.  Couldn’t let him go.  He will be moving to Canada in the fall when we repatriate and visit you to fix our finances (MSU!).  Let’s see how he reacts to snow.”

386 comments ↓

#1 SunShowers on 07.28.21 at 3:28 pm

“Vaccination should be mandatory.”

Wew lads!
Of course you’re absolutely correct, and correct to say it, but this is gonna cause a commotion in the comments!

I’m gonna go get my HAZMAT suit.

#2 MarkT on 07.28.21 at 3:31 pm

I continue to be grateful for this blog – my daily dose of sanity, guidance, advice. Like a good friend that doesn’t sugar coat and gives you information boiled down in a useful fashion. Thank you!!

#3 604Sam on 07.28.21 at 3:33 pm

Good lord, am I ever glad I got to the steerage section early today. Garth, I hope you are ready for the onslaught of smooth-brained anti-vax clowns.

#4 Ballingsford on 07.28.21 at 3:33 pm

I agree with Biden, “people are not as smart as I thought they were”.

And it’s not only referring to vaccinations in my mind. Some people are just plain stupid.

#5 Habitt on 07.28.21 at 3:35 pm

Great post Thank you. Please people get vaccinated for those around you at least. Good grief. We can’t afford another lock down especially since it may be avoided. It might come down to grab and jab. Won’t that be nice.

#6 Prince Polo on 07.28.21 at 3:35 pm

The Photo-op Minister growing a spine?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, Garth!

#7 David Greene on 07.28.21 at 3:38 pm

Garth:

Just wondering, in your continuous guilting and shaming of people who aren’t vaxxed, why is it you continuously forget to mention that vaxxed people can (and now it’s proven, are) carrying and transmitting the virus?

So what? They don’t get seriously sick, go to hospital or die. Get vaxed. – Garth

#8 Garth Be Trolling on 07.28.21 at 3:39 pm

Garth, I normally love your takes, but this is a dumb idea. If COVID-19 vaccines become mandatory, I’m grabbing a TN visa and getting out of here. If I wanted to live in a dictatorship, I’d rather live somewhere with warmer weather and cheaper real estate.

#9 Jimmy Zhao on 07.28.21 at 3:39 pm

My body my choice.

Not if you live with the rest of us. – Garth

#10 Leftover on 07.28.21 at 3:41 pm

We already have a vaccine passport (or at least electronic verification) in BC – it’s the BC Services Card app and it verifies your identity and then passes you into the Health Gateway, which contains your vaccination record.

A little clunky, but it works.

#11 Dwilly on 07.28.21 at 3:41 pm

What if it turns out that this vaccine doesn’t work like the Polio / Measles kind (ie, one shot and you are 100% covered forever) and it works more like the regular old influzena flu shot (ie, the virus changes every year and every year you get a thing that maybe-sorta covers you with waning immunity and doesn’t last)? Then what… mandatory yearly shots for everyone forever, and permanent passports checked always?

Do what it takes. The alternative? – Garth

#12 To the point. on 07.28.21 at 3:44 pm

To the need for a vaccine “passport”, I could not agree more. Governments have used the old yellow immunization record for years at international crossings. Domestically, I don’t see this as a partisan political issue. I think the federal government has been somewhat reluctant to get out ahead of the provinces and the private sector. I think it’s called consensus building. To be followed quickly by app-building.

In one form or another, the vaccine passport is an absolute necessity. It can be both a carrot and a stick to get us all out of this mess.

#13 Ken on 07.28.21 at 3:44 pm

Maybe Canada should introduce a plebiscite on the issue: a 2/3 majority could rule the day?

#14 Network Admin on 07.28.21 at 3:44 pm

I don’t understand why Canada can’t just put a stamp on a passport that confirms vaccination status. Let it be still valid if the passport expires, when getting a new passport, just ask for the old one to be returned.

#15 Bob on 07.28.21 at 3:45 pm

Seems to me that the fourth wave is unavoidable at this point. Even if we convinced all the the cowardly, the selfish, and the stupid to go out and get their vaccines tomorrow, it would take a minimum of six weeks for them to reach maximum immunity.

#16 Erick on 07.28.21 at 3:47 pm

Why did the ARN vaccines (pfizer, moderna) get expedited approval to be used, while the protein vaccines (Novavax, Sanofi) don’t ?
Lot’s of people would take the protein vaccines if they were made available now

#17 Dill on 07.28.21 at 3:52 pm

Stick to economy and market advice. You at least sound like you know about those topics.

You’re free to correct anything in this post that was inaccurate. – Garth

#18 Franco on 07.28.21 at 3:54 pm

What keeps me awake is if the virus mutates to something that it by-passes the current vaccines and we have to do this all over again. It’s not just the U.S. and Canada, but there are many parts of this world that have a very low rate of vaccination, not easy to vaccinate over 7 billion people. Let’s hope the mutations are minor and nothing to worry about. Maybe this could be the doomsday scenario for our economy, life will go on and the virus will eventually be tamed, either through natural forces or we get lucky with the vaccine.

#19 What Makes You Think on 07.28.21 at 3:58 pm

Trump is pro vax. Kamala is on record as being anti the vax. Trump is also pro economy, opening things up, and science. He was long ago. Are you/they/him/her sure you have this the right way round?

#20 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 3:59 pm

@#123 Faron
“Almost as cultured as the Nanaimo putrifacting yoghurt pile we all know and love.”

++++

Nanaimo bars and putrefied Yogurt….. hmmm a delicacy combo I havent tried yet.

Still no culture…

:0

#21 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 4:02 pm

@#16 Pickle

Please regale us with the latest conspiracy theories.
The latest from my nutbar unvaxxed neighbor.

5G phone transmissions are the REAL cause of all this sickness and the Vaccines are just the tracking devices….

And he was serious.

#22 Squire on 07.28.21 at 4:04 pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/3-existing-drugs-fight-coronavirus-with-almost-100-success-in-jerusalem-lab/

These proteins — especially the envelope protein — hardly change between variants, and even between diseases from the coronavirus family. As such, drugs that target them are likely to remain effective in spite of mutations, Arkin said.

Seems like the current vaccines should hold up to the variants.

#23 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 4:05 pm

When Trudeau et. al. announced opening the border to 2 dose vaxd Americans I tweeted to them:

BIG MISTAKE

Even if 2 dose vaxd you can still get infected and pass it on. In the UK 2 weeks ago their Chief Medical Officer said 60% in hospital were 2 dose vaxd of about 4500 people in the whole of the UK.

The vax is HIGHLY EFFECTIVE at preventing hospitalizations +80% drop and near 100% at preventing death. Again, the UK data I posted a while ago shows that in spades:

https://i.imgur.com/V8yAL4g.png

All lines point to the log scale on the left except for Deaths to the RHS scale. Clear vaxing works.

Not just the UK. Take a look at prior wave new cases and compare to cases deaths in this Delta wave:

https://i.imgur.com/AXORici.png
https://i.imgur.com/KIm8FAW.png

Garth, I worry like you do that the unvaxd will prolong the misery of Delta and that will STALL an economic recovery. As of yesterday, this many unvaxd in Canada, 12+ yrs old eligible to be vaxd:

6.37 million.

Plenty for Delta to Dine on.

And the infected unvaxd will pass it on even to the 2 dose vaxd as happened in the UK. Mercifully, the vax will save the lives of the 2 dose vaxd.

Get vaxd Canada.

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I blame Gov Canada and the Cdn MSM for dropping the ball on reporting the above to Cdns and keeping them informed. Known in Europe for at least a month now.

I watch your news daily & social media and just shake my head at the sheer stupidity by Gov Canada and the Cdn MSM.

Why, I do not know?

Regardless, remiss to say the least.

And GOOD you called attention to it Garth. Good on you My Liege.

#24 Yukon Elvis on 07.28.21 at 4:06 pm

Poor air quality resulting from dozens of nearby wildfires has forced Canada Post to suspend mail delivery in three Okanagan communities today.
In an email to Castanet News, Canada Post officials say a “red service alert” was issued because of the air quality in the Okanagan Valley.
As a result, deliveries will not be made in the Kelowna, Penticton and Oliver regions.
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Due to a rapid increase in COVID-19 cases in the Central Okanagan in the past week, masks will once again be mandatory in all indoor public spaces in the region.
During a press conference Wednesday, Interior Health medical health officer Dr. Sue Pollock declared a new COVID-19 outbreak across the entire Central Okanagan region.
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https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/341321/Poor-air-quality-has-halted-mail-delivery-in-Kelowna-Penticton-and-Oliver#341321

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/341322/COVID-19-outbreak-declared-in-Central-Okanagan-masks-required#341322

#25 Jeff on 07.28.21 at 4:08 pm

As a healthy Canadian in my forties, I have less than a 1/20000 chance of dying of Covid. Why would I take an experimental vaccine with completely unknown long-term risks? It is idiotic to equate Covid with serious illnesses such as polio.

We’ve become a nation of brainwashed, hypochondriacs who, in my opinion, don’t deserve the freedom we’re so eager to give up.

#26 mike from mtl on 07.28.21 at 4:11 pm

Have to disagree there, the vax is for yourself and nowhere proven does it prevent infection or transmission. If you’re basing defeating the virus by serious illness and deaths then yes mission accomplished. The politicos part-time dictators all over are loving this whole mess.

A domestic passport is a step too far sorry, beware accepting this. CCP style total control is just steps away.

Last I checked the vast majority of the world is not vaxxed at all nor ever will be.

There’s no good answer but I do think 16 months of this uneasy up/down/up/down probably is not the right one. None of those mandates, lockdowns, 2m, plexiglass, etc have made any difference but hey let’s keep them going.

#27 The New Kelowna on 07.28.21 at 4:12 pm

Nanaimo putrifacting yoghurt pile

Nanaimo is the new and improved Kelowna. Lakes, mountains, oceans, rivers, parks, orcas, bears, deer, hiking, biking, fishing, kayaking, and so much more. We even have a donut sign, bar and some new bike lanes with 100% capacity.

#28 devore on 07.28.21 at 4:12 pm

The issue with the passports is there’s zero agreement on what is accepted. People who have travelled internationally recently have found themselves turned away at the border and required to double, even triple vaccinate. No vaccine from outside the western world is recognized here, and even between EU/US/Canada half of them aren’t universal. Unable to choose which one you get, you’re playing the lottery on whether the jab you get will even get you to where you wanted to go in the first place. Everyone needs to get their shit together on this instead of arguing whether olympic announcers are using the correct pronouns.

#29 Faron on 07.28.21 at 4:13 pm

#15 Franco on 07.28.21 at 3:54 pm

What keeps me awake is if the virus mutates

Possible. But there is a lot that is possible that isn’t worth worrying about. Get your vaccination. Support efforts to vaccinate poorer countries and carry on with your life. If we all did this, the virus would be about over by now in countries with vaccine access.

Bring to mind how utterly idiotic it is for us living in a developed nation to forego vaccine (often allowing it to expire) while some nations have ~2% vaccine rates due to supply. Insane.

#30 Chris Serran on 07.28.21 at 4:14 pm

Agree except for one bit. Aren’t the provinces in charge of health care? Therefore wouldn’t they have the data needed for a vaccine passport? So I think it’s the provinces that need to agree, and I’m pretty sure Jason and a few of the others are not likely to at this point.

#31 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 4:15 pm

I have had two jabs, I think everyone should take the vaccination.

But I draw the line at making it mandatory. Sorry, as serious as Corona is, it does not justify forcing people to take the vaccine against their will.

Agree to disagree on this. I am much more in favour of education, encouragement, and making the vaccine avaialable to everyone. Go talk to the religious leaders of minority groups where take up is low and get them on board. Do ALL you can.

Mandatory vaccines is just not right for this virus.

#32 Pylot Project on 07.28.21 at 4:15 pm

Two points on this subject.

Nurses in the USA are quitting in droves due to COVID burnout. If a fourth wave happens, the Delta incubators will be in for a world of hurt with fewer peeps to care for them.

I’m kind of annoyed that I jumped at the first vax presented to me and now I’m mixed with AZ and Moderna. I’m good with the mixing but I’m choked nobody is recognizing it. US doesn’t as it hasn’t approved AZ. Europe doesn’t. Even cruise ships don’t. Does this mean I’d have to get a third vax inside of six months even if borders open? Even though I’m pro vax I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that much roaring around my system.

#33 Faron on 07.28.21 at 4:16 pm

#19 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 3:59 pm
@#123 Faron

Nanaimo bars and putrefied Yogurt….. hmmm a delicacy combo I havent tried yet.

Still no culture…

:0

I’ll admit, the line between putrid landfill yogurt and a cave aged cheese is a fine one. Either would undoubtedly contribute to your “emissions” to the detriment of all adjacent elevator riders.

#34 mj on 07.28.21 at 4:18 pm

I am pro vaccine and anyone who wants one should get one. However, I disagree with it being mandatory, and a passport or certificate. it would make things very difficult for people who can’t get the vaccine for health or religious reasons.

#35 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 4:18 pm

PS:

Sorry to tell you this Garth but based on yesterday’s vaxing data, I Project your 70% ALL VAXD 12+ yrs old eligible should happen on:

August 3rd: 82% single dose, 70% double dose.

Day after the Aug long weekend.
[2 dose vaxd should rise that weekend from 66 to 69%]

Projection vs. Actual errors: -0.10% single dose, -0.67% double dose.

Why did this happen?

Because Cdn vaxing rates are in FREE FALL, not falling Garth, as of yesterday:

https://i.imgur.com/bx8lNeQ.png

Garth lower than your 340K estimate, the 7-day average yesterday, doses administered, was:

318,147

Been tracking it daily using CTVs Vax Tracker for months now.

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You want an Economic Recovery Canada then:

get vaxd the 6.37 million of you that aren’t and 12+ yrs old eligible.

#36 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 4:19 pm

“Do what it takes. The alternative? – Garth”

Live with the virus. Stop locking down. Let people who are at risk decide they want to take the virus and not get sick. Adequately fund health care.

GO ON WITH LIFE.

There are a lot of alternatives. The IFR is currently running in line with flu for most age groups:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210718/Infection-fatality-rate-of-COVID-19-in-community-based-elderly-lower-than-earlier-estimates.aspx

When studying IFR in individuals between the ages of 0 and 19 years, the researchers found that, across all countries, the median IFR was 0.0027%. The median IFR also remained low at 0.014% when individuals between the age of 20 and 29 were studied.

However, as the age groups started to increase, their IFR values followed. For example, individuals between the ages of 30-39 and 40-49 had IFR values of 0.031% and 0.082%, respectively.

#37 Faron on 07.28.21 at 4:19 pm

I gotta come clean here. I’ve argued for MMT, and still would if 2020 were to repeat itself. But, at this stage, what the CBs are up to seems really hard to justify in terms of ongoing QE. I just can’t see how ongoing MBS purchasing is needed at this point. The banks are flush, housing is still exploding, there are jobs to be had. What more do they want?

#38 Inequity on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

Let it play out… if the virus starts killing significant numbers of the unvaccinated, which is what the delta variant is doing, they will change their position.

When travel opens, I will be very surprised if any country lets an unvaccinated person in… that may help some others change their position.

You have enjoyed the freedom to make your own choices, both good and bad. you have no right to infringe on others ability to choose based on a maybe it will mutate.

#39 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

*take the vaccine – not take the virus, doh. Sorry for the typo.

#40 "NUTS!" on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

I’ve had the luxury of working at a research institution for 18 years with some of the greatest minds working on many scientific advances, not the least of which is reducing infectious diseases. The arguments against having the vaccine are ignorant and unfounded, however, I also understand many of these people have not had the exposure to information such as I have. Unfortunate.

But here’s what I believe, Darwin always wins. The least talked about, but biggest threat is not that you spread this disease to the unvaxed, it’s that the spread to an unprotected body creates the space for the virus to mutate. in time, it will get stronger and stronger until the outcome is more dire-for the unvaxed.

As I said, Darwin always wins. When required, nature thins the herd. Unfortunate but true.

#41 BCdweller on 07.28.21 at 4:21 pm

As you often say, “Get a grip Garth!”

Mandating a medical treatment is morally wrong at the best of time. It’s even worse when that treatment has killed people. Don’t get me wrong, the benefit/risk ratio is massively in favor of the vaccine, but it’s one thing to get seriously ill/die after making a choice you deemed appropriate and accepted the risk, and it’s another when you got jabbed against your will.

Even if the moral argument doesn’t sway you, think about the consequences in terms of civil unrest and distrust in future vaccines that such a move would create. You mention Europe. Have you taken a look at France recently?

And for what? The vaccine is extremely effective as preventing death and hospitalization. Your boomer asses are safe, stop worrying. The youngsters are lagging behind? Their risk from covid is extremely low (in the same order of magnitude as the vaccine, assuming no pre-existing condition), so who cares.
On the other hand, the ability of the vaccine to prevent injection and contagious is… questionable. Multiple reports shows that vaccinated people can still be infected, with a viral load high enough to be contagious. Science is still working on this, there is no certainty as the present time.
So really, vaccines are about protecting the vaccinated. If someone doesn’t want the vaccine and dies from covid, that’s on them, and they have a right to make that (stupid) choice.

> those who refuse are selfish or cowardly. And probably both.
maybe. But they have a right to be.

And just to avoid any misinterpretation, I just got my 2nd dose last week. Because I believe that it’s the right think to do. Should someone have tried to inoculate me against my will, I would have been far less accommodating.

#42 Ian on 07.28.21 at 4:28 pm

100% Garth. A moral and strong use of your platform to stand up for this critical issue. Good on you.

#43 Keen Reader on 07.28.21 at 4:29 pm

I wish it were black & white, but it ain’t. The science is changing, as shown by reversed policies on masks, the AZ jab, mixing vaccines, 3rd shots, etc. We all want lockdowns and other restrictions to end, but what are the mid- to long-term effects of current actions? The virus keeps mutating, following usual patterns of becoming more infectious but less severe. Hopefully FDA approval (vs emergency use and liability waivers) will come soon. More positive data on effectiveness against the new variants, and better herd-immunity models, will also provide more convincing arguments for getting vaxed, instead of hyperbole and heated discussions, which only make it worse…

#44 AM on 07.28.21 at 4:30 pm

I see two additional major risks:
1) No vaccines are approved for anyone under 12 yet. It is possible that kids can easily transmit delta (I believe current data is hinting at this) or get sicker from it (I believe current data is not showing this). Mass vaccination for this group is not estimated until late fall at the earliest.
2) Letting delta rage in a partially vaccinated population encourages a variant resistant to current vaccines to emerge. Until the global population has herd immunity, preferably through vaccination, new variants will keep arising and it is possible one of them will be nasty and resistant to existing vaccines. In addition to the ethics of differential access to vaccines globally, it is in our self interest to see high vaccination rates globally.

#45 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 4:31 pm

#8 Jimmy Zhao

When your unvaxd body infects another body and potentially sends them to hospital or even kills them, your BS “My body” manifesto becomes at best assault, worst murder.

You DO NOT have sovereignty over the health and lives of others. THAT is where the line must be drawn.

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PS Garth:

Agree on a Cdn Covid Passport. Only way to protect the vaxd from the no vax crowd. Yet again, Gov Canada drops the ball.

Italia just upped the ante to match France yesterday where with no Green Pass:

No trains, plains and ships starting Aug 6 (Aug 1 in France)

Still Italia not as stringent as the French.

Italian poll 2 days ago, how many in favor of more restrictive French measures:

73%

Same poll, this many anti-vaxers in Italia:

3%

Italia went thru hell in 2020. She does not want a repeat in 2021.

#46 RG on 07.28.21 at 4:34 pm

Agree 100%. The carrot has been out long enough. Time for the stick. Make vaccines required for any participation in public life. These people won’t be convinced by the ample facts on record, and as a reservoir of possible mutation they are a public health risk.

#47 Dave on 07.28.21 at 4:36 pm

Imagine instead if we could have a ‘health score’ passport. People with a sub-par score can’t travel or enjoy basic freedoms AND they can foot the bill through higher taxes for healthcare. The score could be based on tangible metrics such as: ​
– Your body fat %
– Lean muscle mass %
– Resting heart rate
– Hours slept per night
– Exercise frequency and intensity
– Nutrient levels (such as Vit-D)
– Processed food intake (less being better)
– Amount of time spend in front of a screen (less being better)
– Amount of time on social media (less being better)

How quickly do you think that would be deemed unethical?

#48 Ian on 07.28.21 at 4:37 pm

Also, what’s with this “my body my choice” or “personal choice” argument. We as a society create laws all the time to protect the public from stupid people and bad actions. Freedom has limits when your actions risk harming others. Do we want drinking and driving to be legal? In the name of freedom and personal choice? Some people are dumb, they got the short straw on the genetic lottery. They drink, drive, assault people, hurt others knowingly and unknowingly. All need to be disallowed by society. How is being unvaccinated in a time of such scientific consensus and global threat ok? Beats me..

#49 mark on 07.28.21 at 4:37 pm

I’m not sure Australia will have one. Living here they couldn’t organise fornication in a house of ill repute.

#50 Slim on 07.28.21 at 4:38 pm

Well, according to cowboy Premier Kenney the pandemic is over (at least on the Stampede Grounds) and we can party on.

I would think if Alberta has to go into a 4th wave lockdown, Kenney may as well get on his horse and leave town.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/covid-growth-alberta-1.6120076

#51 Nonplused on 07.28.21 at 4:40 pm

“Simple. Vaccination should be mandatory. As much as it pains an indy-minded, Con-type, Alpha male to say such a thing, it’s just common sense. Employers should insist workers get jabbed before returning to the workplace. Restaurants, gyms, concerts, conventions, cruises and airlines need to see proof of stabbing before providing service. Schools and universities are a no-brainer. Maybe even the streetcar, bus and subway.”

I’m not so sure about that. (Side note everyone in my family has had at least one shot and the plan is everyone will get 2). I mean, what other health mandates become mandatory after that? And what will the reaction be?

But on the other hand, the number of people that refuse the regular rounds or vaccines that kids get is fairly small. Maybe the uptake will go over 90% on it’s own? At some point people will realise that the vaccinations are less harmful than taking your chances, and the hesitant will change their minds. Not everyone will, mind you, there are still people out there that figure polio vaccinations cause autism, but the numbers are small.

So I think education and time will improve the vax rates all on their own. And knowing how the human mind works (at least a bit, meaning I know how the mind works a bit and also that it only works a bit), making it mandatory will only cause the anti-vaxxers to dig in their heels.

The more talk there is of making it mandatory, the more the conspiracy theorists will insist the vax is full of microchips or is part of a large conspiracy to cull the human population. They will assume anything they are forced to do is about as useful and beneficial as paying income taxes.

And yes I understand the idea that no one has a right to infect other people, but these folks aren’t going to take responsibility for their own germs. No more so than parents who send their sick children to school because they don’t want to take time off work. Or show up for work sick. Or what have you. Some guy in Florida just got sentenced for having unprotected sex with a bunch of women without telling them that he was HIV positive. That is the humanity we are dealing with. Remember, 50% of the population is below average IQ.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

#52 The West on 07.28.21 at 4:41 pm

Don’t mind me – I’m just reserving a seat here on the comment section. I’ll return this evening when I am tipsed on the gin train and have a quick scroll.

Garth, for pure entertainment value, can you not delete any…just for today…

LOL

#53 Zed on 07.28.21 at 4:42 pm

In the last 4 weeks, in QC, 36 % of new Covid cases were people vaccinated and 29% of the new hospital admissions were also vaccinated.

Enough with your CBC talk that canadians need restrictions on their freedom.

If everybody has a responsability towards the healthcare system, then stop selling alcohol, cigarettes, restrict medical care to overweight people, people who speed, un-protected sex…

A few months ago we were all in this situation together and now it seems that the vaxed are willing to shun/shame/ban/cancel the un-vaxed, suddenly we are not on this planet together and ready to put away people who are not doing things like us.

Not a good way to be in a society.

Oh, look: “95% of Quebec infections among non-fully-vaccinated”. – Garth

#54 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 4:44 pm

@#36 Faron

Modern Monetary Theory you say?

++++

Why bother?
The Libs have announced the budget will balance itself by 2070….

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-starship-canada-takes-the-federal-budget-where-its-never-gone-before

#55 Scaron on 07.28.21 at 4:46 pm

Read the title and made some popcorn. Ready for the drama.

I haven’t figured out how they equally distribute one microchip per syringe from a multi dose vial. It worries me that I may have 10 chips floating around inside me (assuming 5 chips/vial), or maybe none at all.

#56 Felix on 07.28.21 at 4:47 pm

So true. All mutts are filled with dogawful cowardice.

#57 JimW on 07.28.21 at 4:47 pm

Before it became known as the Delta variant it was the India variant, as that is where it originated. Look at the case rate in India, peaked in early May when the vac rate was about 3%. Delta is nothing. Current vac rate in India is under 10% yet the latest news has the antibody rate at 67%.

#58 Faron on 07.28.21 at 4:50 pm

#24 Jeff on 07.28.21 at 4:08 pm

It is idiotic to equate Covid with serious illnesses such as polio.

No, it isn’t. Proof it is a serious illness? At the end of 2020 the death rate in the US was 50% above normal based on excess deaths data. It has since dropped back to normal levels thanks to moderate vaccine rates.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

If I were you, I would consider looking into the sources of your “information” to see who is trying to influence you and why. You are a pawn, you just don’t seem know it.

#59 LuckySoB on 07.28.21 at 4:50 pm

Why not put breathalizer IIDs in all vehicles, too? Is it about saving lives or not?

#60 Rarely Respond on 07.28.21 at 4:52 pm

re: Stick to economy and market advice. You at least sound like you know about those topics.

You’re free to correct anything in this post that was inaccurate. – Garth

I rarely post but in this case feel compelled to.

While the post seems to be consistent with the numbers it lacks context. For example to Jul 9 2020 here are the numbers reported for Canada re COVID. {CFR Case Fatality Rate}

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=total&map=pt#a2

age cases deaths Raw CFR
<20 273,349.00 14.00 0.0051%
20-29 270,900.00 65.00 0.0240%
30-39 232,463.00 140.00 0.0602%
40-49 207,729.00 332.00 0.1598%
50-59 184,858.00 972.00 0.5258%
60-69 114,188.00 2,514.00 2.2016%
70-79 60,004.00 5,333.00 8.8877%
80+ 70,994.00 16,972.00 23.9062%

The CDC continues to state "for over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death." I challenge you to calculate the CFR for those with no risk factors.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Consistent with free society I think we may need to step back the authoritarianism just a bit and allow those that have a very low chance succumbing to this virus to make their own risk assessment. Especially in light of the recent incidences of heart problems from the vax; and the bioaccumulation data obtained and released by Dr. Bridle from the university of Guelph (Thanks for the presser MP Sloane) .

The focus should certainly be to vax those that are at high risk but not young and healthy people.

At this point there are more questions than answers and the powers that be seem to do their best to obfuscate meaningful data from the masses.

to me Cowardice in this particular situation is to blindly follow the politicians (including the "top doctors") instead of asking the appropriate questions.

eg) What is the CFR for Delta v. Alpha or Beta anyway….

#61 wendi11 on 07.28.21 at 4:53 pm

Myself, I am wondering what the effect of vaccine hesitancy will be on the next elections (US particularly). More unvaxed will die, or be very, very ill. Will this make the single payer health system finally seem reasonable? And if Republican voters are overwhelmingly affected, will the voting proportions change ever so slightly to the benefit of the Democrats?

#62 Damifino on 07.28.21 at 4:54 pm

There are some supposedly highly educated people in the USA who believe vaccines contain “microchips” and that Bill Gates is responsible for putting them there.

Do they have the first idea what a microchip actually is and the complex periphery of electronic support necessary to maintain their function? Most certainly they do not. Not a shadow of a clue.

What powers such chips? How do they interface to anything? How do they enter the body when the smallest functioning microchips known are orders of magnitude bigger than the inside diameter of a hypodermic needle?

There’s no need to inquire much deeper. Biden’s statement misses the mark. “Smart people” who believe in a vaccine chip conspiracy are better described as utterly misguided fools without even the most elementary grasp of electronics or physics.

We may be doomed.

#63 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 4:54 pm

Next up, asset confiscation and internment camps for the unvaxxed. It’s the only way.

#64 Vaccinated Guy on 07.28.21 at 4:55 pm

Really doesn’t help the ‘forced vaccination’ crowd when their argument rests on the grounds that vaccinated people aren’t really protected.

Unvaccinated people will eventually get Covid, 99.9% will recover, more if they are the younger crowd. Then they will have immunity, just like, or better than the vaccinated guys like me.

Before you set the precedent of forced medical treatments based on ‘medical costs’ you might want to think about the obese, smokers and drinkers.

Just leave it alone. Send our excess vaccines to India where they are needed and wanted. Stop worrying about the tiny number of holdouts.

And maybe check out the death rates in UK, you know, to be informed.

#65 I am on 07.28.21 at 4:56 pm

33mj:
Curious, what religion would ban a vaccination? I am not being a dick, I just want to know .

#66 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 4:57 pm

If we’re going to force people to do things that are better for their own health and the health of people within aerosol range of them, can we also ban smoking?

I HATE SMOKING with a passion. Nothing worse than being on the sidewalk trying to get somewhere in a hurry but you’re forced to inhale second hand smoke for blocks.

Smoking kills more people than Covid, doesn’t it?

#67 Scaron on 07.28.21 at 4:57 pm

#47 Dave on 07.28.21 at 4:36 pm
Imagine instead if we could have a ‘health score’ passport. People with a sub-par score can’t travel or enjoy basic freedoms AND they can foot the bill through higher taxes for healthcare. The score could be based on tangible metrics such as: ​
– Your body fat %
– Lean muscle mass %
– Resting heart rate
– Hours slept per night
– Exercise frequency and intensity
– Nutrient levels (such as Vit-D)
– Processed food intake (less being better)
– Amount of time spend in front of a screen (less being better)
– Amount of time on social media (less being better)
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Why? Are any of those highly infectious and a threat to others?

#68 Doggy Coins on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm

Vaccination rates could much higher if it wasn’t for the lack of media credibility and lack of government transparency on Covid. They alone are to blame so STOP blaming the little guy!

#69 Chalkie on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm

I am not a fan of Trump, nor did I agree with most of his actions and he also has zero people skills, But: Biden needs to swallow his pride and ask Trump to stand before the Cameras and ask his followers to go and get vaccinated, I bet we overflow the vaccination centres for weeks on end.
Trump may not be popular among a lot of us, but he holds the Key to getting the United States vaccinated at a time when the world is in trouble.
Biden, so the right thing and Man up and call Trump for help, you owe it to the world.

#70 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm

I say do whatever is necessary to flatten the curve. For the greater good.

#71 Doug t on 07.28.21 at 5:02 pm

Our society is either free of certain controls or we have a boot on our necks – dangerous road – I got vaxed twice and still wonder about the long term risks due to the rush to get it to the masses –

#72 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 5:03 pm

#57 JimW

Delta is nothing.

————

You do realize what you read in Canada or from the US is utter BS about what happened and is still happening in India.

They only count deaths if on a death certificate issued by a hospital. They, NDTV (India’s largest digital news daily), reckon at LEAST:

10 TIMES

that reported be it cases or deaths.

I watched NDTV throughout their crisis, daily, and can tell you that you need to:

inform yourself better

and not rely on Cdn, US MSM to do that for you. Other sources corroborate the 10X number, or worse. Research on your own.

Delta is nothing if you are 2 dose vaxd and can avail yourself from the unvaxd.

If not, bonne chance. Spin the revolver.

#73 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 5:03 pm

#40 “NUTS!” on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

I’ve had the luxury of working at a research institution for 18 years with some of the greatest minds working on many scientific advances, not the least of which is reducing infectious diseases.

The least talked about, but biggest threat is not that you spread this disease to the unvaxed, it’s that the spread to an unprotected body creates the space for the virus to mutate. in time, it will get stronger and stronger until the outcome is more dire-for the unvaxed.

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Please provide research link showing that viruses in general, or coronaviruses in particular, are more likely to become stronger and more lethal as mutations occur.

#74 Rook on 07.28.21 at 5:04 pm

I’m deeply uncomfortable with any sort of mandatory vaccine mandate, even if it IS for the good of society. I’m not sure that’s a precedent we want to set, no matter how much it’s in our own best interest.

Wasn’t sterilizing the mentally disabled, institutionalizing the mentally ill and that thing with the residential schools ‘for the good of society’ and ‘for their own good’? And didn’t we get rid of the practice because it violated liberties? I know it’s just a vaccine, but is a government requirement to submit to a medical procedure really the direction we want to go as a society?

Now. Stated without comment, just to further highlight Garth’s excellent take on the covid numbers/deaths.

From Ontario’s own data (as of this writing):
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

Under-20s: 88,555, 4 deaths, or 0.00451%
20-29: 116,032 cases, 26 deaths, or 0.022408%

And, as Garth himself has said, 70% of Canadians have one dose, and 50% are fully vaxxed, at least until the booster arrives.

#75 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 5:05 pm

I could not agree more. Get vaxxed or get out, of everywhere. There is no other solution to this pandemic besides mass death and societal destruction and never ending lockdowns. Time to move on. My husband, who seems to have empathy for everyone for everything, tries to tone down my anger of these people despite the fact that he will be looking after them in the coming months, along with the other health care providers who are wiped. No. I’m having a baby soon and the unvaxxed in-laws (who ironically, were thrilled when two of their kids went into medicine, yet don’t trust science or medicine) will not be welcome until they get the shot. Real consequences are the only thing that might change these peoples minds. The responsible should not continue to suffer (or kids who have no say in this, but have suffered immensely) on behalf of the idiots. Enough. This is literally the least that one can do for their fellow Canadian.

#76 Barb on 07.28.21 at 5:06 pm

Lucky Boo to be coming to Canada.

#77 Penny Henny on 07.28.21 at 5:07 pm

#136 Faron on 07.28.21 at 2:59 pm
#130 BillyBob on 07.28.21 at 2:08 pm
#119 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 12:16 pm

Nice work guys. Thanks to Scaron’s handy pyramid we now know you are operating at level 3 — attacking tone rather than substance (because you have zero). You confuse how I use tone for fun while going to levels 5 to 7 to take out The Jaguar’s trash as did Oakville and Not Fooled. Oh, and look, by referencing this chart again I’m approaching level 5-6. And you two are stuck with tone, no substance. Read up on cargo cult science.

Hey BillyBob, nice work showing you don’t care and how happy go lucky you are by failing to control your urge to wade in here with a sad comment on my appearance. Almost as cultured as the Nanaimo putrifacting yoghurt pile we all know and love.

And I hope at least some of you are laughing. I sure am.

Looking forward to your *yawn* indicative of simmering hatred of being called out by a nerd.

//////////

Faron, you off your meds again?

#78 kommykim on 07.28.21 at 5:07 pm

RE: #9 Jimmy Zhao on 07.28.21 at 3:39 pm
My body my choice.

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Sure, then wear a mask forever and keep your distance from others who choose not to have their body exposed to your disease… Yea, my body my choice: I choose not be infected by the likes of you.

#79 Dwilly on 07.28.21 at 5:07 pm

Do what it takes. The alternative? – Garth

How do you know this is “what it takes”, ie the only option? You are aware there are other countries & jurisdictions not doing this, and the world still turns there? (and there are no bodies lying in the streets)

#80 Penny Henny on 07.28.21 at 5:09 pm

For Faron, again.
Bi-polar or manic depressive?
Which is it?

#81 Barb on 07.28.21 at 5:09 pm

Maybe the unvaxxed will get polio too.

Oh wait…polio has been eradicated.
With vaccinations.

#82 Alberta Ed on 07.28.21 at 5:10 pm

Too true, but Socko responds only to polls, not to principles.

#83 katzndogz on 07.28.21 at 5:11 pm

To all those doubting vaccine benefit … check your misinformation silo by listening to a seriously informative podcast. Then go get your shot.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/256-contagion-bad-ideas/

#84 andrew macneil on 07.28.21 at 5:12 pm

Might as well chime in here. Absolutely COVID vaccines should be mandatory. If we do no achieve herd immunity (via vaccines, or else there will be tons of death) then COVID is with us every year for the rest of our lives.
Anti-vaxxers are a joke. They are incompetent, mis-informed, and quite frankly stupid. What they fail to realize is they’ve already had multiple vaccines when they were children. Oh and somehow…modern medicine is simply not as advanced as it was 50 years ago when many infectious agents were dealt with via vaccines. And Canada used to lead the world in vaccine creation. Small Pox, Polio, etc…all gone now. But noooooo, these somehow these anti vax idiots know better. They are simply too stupid, selfish and deserve to be called out. I’m all for a passport. Get it done. If these loonies want to sit in their basement for the rest of their lives, then fine. That is their choice, but it comes with consequences. No travel, no eating out. Why not make grocery stores require it? It’s because of these fools a 4th wave is coming. I have no pity for them.

#85 I'm not a doc on 07.28.21 at 5:12 pm

From my observation, I think the micro-chip and mass culling argument is very few and yes they are nut jobs. But why not take a whack at that crowd if thats all you got. There are critical thinkers out there however. The chance of healthy ending up very sick or landing in the hospital is slim. A product massed produced and rushed to market by several Big Pharma’s without proper trials all in unison without any recourse by them or gov should your body not agree is a no go… Why not just hold out for the new and approved boosters… there will be many…

#86 Penny Henny on 07.28.21 at 5:13 pm

It’s astonishing, but 21% of the population and 51% of the non-jabbed believe there are microchips in the vials which the state wants to inject into them, achieving full control.-GT
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I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that you can destroy the microchips by drinking hemp beer.
Worth a try.

#87 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 5:14 pm

We are all in this together, which is why we need to separate the unvaxxed from the rest of us.

#88 Don on 07.28.21 at 5:15 pm

Me thinks Garth has jumped the shark. Between our silencing of ivermectins apparent effectiveness and only new school vaccines still available, there is no way I will be forced into taking the jab. I will probably take the novavax protein subunit vaccine when it is approved and offered as an alternative. It is an older technology and has been around for years. mRNA ans viral vector may be the greatest thing since sliced bread. But we will not know for awhile yet

#89 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 5:15 pm

#113 DON on 07.28.21 at 11:37 am
Russia increased their rates to 6.5 to continue responding to inflation. China stepped in to regulate some areas. Both show an alternate path (war of the minds?).
Can someone share what it was like to be an adult during the Oil shocks in the 70’s
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Well I risk dating myself.
When the Oil crisis happened, I was studying Finance at the University of Vienna.
I remember, in the Economic classes the topic was discussed in detail.
I, and many of my class mates did not have a car. There was no need. Public transport was outstanding.
We watched in disbelief on TV the mile long line-ups for gas in the States.
And laughed at the gas guzzling “Strassenkreuzer” that everyone was driving.
How could a “smart” nation be so stupid?
6 years later I came to Vancouver, and I lasted about 6 month without a car.
Just could not get anywhere without.
Ze Amis tried to build small cars.
But they failed miserably. I test drove a Chevette, but it was a piece of crap. (Pardon my French).
The Japanese car were nice, but I settled on a VolksWagen Rabbit.
Build a deck. Dragged all the material home with the Rabbit.
Then the better half got the Rabbit, I got a Nissan Micra.
Tought myself to drive a stick.
Still hear the gears grinding. Never a dull day.
Long story, short, after 40 years no one in the States and Canada has learned the lesson. They still can’t built a decent small car, and the size has gone from large to monster, with little regard to gas usage.
The Americans are self sufficient now, but a large portion of the country is riddled with fracking holes.
The home of the FREE?
More like the home of the car slaves.
And the Koch Bros are the Slave Drivers. (Pun intended)

#90 SunShowers on 07.28.21 at 5:16 pm

“#25 Jeff on 07.28.21 at 4:08 pm
As a healthy Canadian in my forties, I have less than a 1/20000 chance of dying of Covid. Why would I take an experimental vaccine with completely unknown long-term risks?”

Because you’re a selfish, myopic individual who can’t be trusted not to cough on someone’s 73 year old asthmatic grandmother on the bus.

#91 Caleb on 07.28.21 at 5:16 pm

Garth says……”Simple. Vaccination should be mandatory”.

Garth is going more left all the time. Sounds like he wants to live in a government controlled country and have us give up our rights and allow other institutions to hijack the lives of citizens for their political purpose. This is Not for me!

#92 saskatoon on 07.28.21 at 5:17 pm

what’s astonishing, garth…

is that you don’t even know it’s not a vaccine.

it’s an experimental genetic manipulation therapy.

#93 Paul on 07.28.21 at 5:17 pm

Small correction. Australia and NZ do not have a Vax passport and there are people dying who have been double vaccinated.

#94 binky barnes on 07.28.21 at 5:19 pm

I am not a fan of Trump, nor did I agree with most of his actions and he also has zero people skills, But: Biden needs to swallow his pride and ask Trump to stand before the Cameras and ask his followers to go and get vaccinated, I bet we overflow the vaccination centres for weeks on end.
Trump may not be popular among a lot of us, but he holds the Key to getting the United States vaccinated at a time when the world is in trouble.
Biden, so the right thing and Man up and call Trump for help, you owe it to the world.

——————————————

Or Mr. Biden could ask our leader, the PM PM (Mr. Justin Trudeau) to address reluctant Americans. When the PM PM speaks the world listens. Who will ever forget the way Yankees soaked up his ‘people kind’ comment of several years back. Yep, that is what Mr. Biden needs to do.

BB

#95 SunShowers on 07.28.21 at 5:21 pm

#47 Dave on 07.28.21 at 4:36 pm
“Imagine instead if we could have a ‘health score’ passport.”

None of those health metrics are transmissible to others, so there is no public health risk, therefore there is absolutely no comparison to Covid.

Did you actually think your post was smart?

#96 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 5:21 pm

#60 Rarely Respond

Yet another let’s obfuscate using %’s.

26,567 deaths in Canada from Covid so far. Read this on leading causes of death as of late in Canada:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/200703/dq200703b-eng.htm

And to show you how ridiculous your CFR argument is, here are other Canadian CFRs for you (2019):

Cardiovascular = 0.189%
Cancer = 0.213%
All Deaths = 0.7565%

Therefore, NO WORRIES about excessive smoking, inhaling asbestos or being morbidly obese by choice eating 10 square meals a day…’cause it’s ALL GOOD since the CFRs are really, really low.

That would be using your logic. Non Sequitur Poster Child.

#97 Not Fooled on 07.28.21 at 5:23 pm

I’m torn on vaccination being mandatory. We’re divided enough right now. This could really harden some fringe beliefs that already need softening.

Little vaxx story:

I had my 1st Pfizer shot and want to get my 2nd, but I had a reaction (nothing life-threatening) to #1 that is necessitating an endless round robin of specialist visits and investigations. I’m happy to report that it’s being taken very seriously. I’ll be enrolled in a study and everything. No conspiracy of silence.

Consensus opinion of +++specialists is trending towards delaying #2, until my symptoms abate completely. If that is the opinion of at least 2 out of 3 separate health specialists, I will roll up my sleeve. I don’t want to be a contributor to further transmission, and I want to be free to travel.

I trust their judgment, and trust that if I have another reaction they will sort me out. I’ll survive the vaccine much more certainly than I’d survive Covid.

#98 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 5:24 pm

When there is a measles outbreak, your kid either gets vaxxed, or stays home from school.
Simple, easy.
What’s so hard to understand.?
There is no constitutional right to infect other citizens.
Ok Permanent Residents and new immigrants, maybe.

#99 DD_BC on 07.28.21 at 5:25 pm

And for those of us that cannot be vaxed due to contra indications. What then?

#100 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 5:25 pm

#67 Scaron

When your Lean Muscle Mass score infects me, puts me in hospital or kills me, then I will be a believer of what you say.

And not before.

Your argument is:

Reductio ad absurdum.

#101 Nonplused on 07.28.21 at 5:25 pm

#69 Chalkie on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm
I am not a fan of Trump, nor did I agree with most of his actions and he also has zero people skills, But: Biden needs to swallow his pride and ask Trump to stand before the Cameras and ask his followers to go and get vaccinated, I bet we overflow the vaccination centres for weeks on end.
Trump may not be popular among a lot of us, but he holds the Key to getting the United States vaccinated at a time when the world is in trouble.
Biden, so the right thing and Man up and call Trump for help, you owe it to the world.

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Trump has already told his followers to get the vaccine, and indeed pushed for its development. How Trump followers came to be anti-vax I am not sure. Trump is anti-mask and anti-shutdown though.

Biden will never ask Trump for anything. Nor, I assume, would Trump provide it if asked. There is no love lost between those two. If you need an example of just how polarized politics is these days, there it is. Although I guess they both do agree on the vax.

#102 Gregory Ellis on 07.28.21 at 5:26 pm

Vax is the best solution. People have lost confidence in vaccinations due to the vacillations of the CDC. Another consideration is that while the variant is easily spread, it is far less severe. The amount of deaths from the variant are a fraction of what the original strain caused. So while cases have spiked, the mortality rate is much, much lower. Biden calling people “stupid” is calling the kettle black. A career politician who has created nothing, become wealthy in the process, and is literally a caricature of the image of the phony, double-talking image of political figures. Now a reclusive, bumbling old man, ordered not to answer questions from the press, stumbling when he has to, when not picking up the index cards which he relies on to supplement a memory long gone. Hope he orders the 200000 plus illegals per month from over 100 countries flooding across the border with Mexico, to “mask up”. Go get ‘ em Joe!

#103 Testing 1, 2, 3 on 07.28.21 at 5:28 pm

Simple. Vaccination should be mandatory.

>>>>

How about Governments should approve these vaccines fully and stop with the emergency use order status already Garth? That would help.

Your statement of mandatory vaccination offloads the entire risk liability onto the citizens. Should it be this one sided?

I’ve spoken to friends who don’t want the jab just yet, and they are smart people. Painting all vaccine hesitant at this point as those thinking there are microchips in the vaccine is extreme to say the least. One even noted that he was holding out until now to ensure the vaccine effectiveness was highest when the risk of next wave increases – not a bad play I must admit.

#104 Sean on 07.28.21 at 5:28 pm

Garth, Schwab says we will own nothing and be happy. Are you ready to give up all your money, property, cars, stuff Garth?

#105 Wait There on 07.28.21 at 5:29 pm

I have had two jabs.
I had to acknowledge to a bunch of stuff before the jab was put in. Uuuuh why is that?

Next, understand that the misinformation about what is happening INCLUDING the vaccine is understandable. Why? well the government in February 2020, told us not to worry about COVID, theu had the situation under control. The democrats in February 2020 said it was OK to comingle and it was racist. In Toronto, we were prepared because we had experience with SARS. And Yes, our superior airport screening would keep covid out. Then it happened, it was here. Infected people were on the subway and they did not want to say when and where the infected person travelled. Move along folks nothing to see here.
Then NO MASKS are necessary. This lasted for over a month. Then when Trump was pushing the vaccine in his campaign. Kamala Harris said she would refuse the TRUMP vaccine. Remember this folks.
Then one month before the USA election, all left leaning individuals said there would be no vaccines until mid 2021. Then in November 2020, a vaccines is announced. Folks you don’t have a lead up to announcing a vaccine unless there is a progressive lead up to knowing what the data says.
Even in Canada, today I am skeptical because apparently I was one of the early ones to get the COVISHIELD shot in March 2021. Now Europe and the USA is saying that is not acceptable. WHAT! I got in line early and then got a PFIZER after. That is not good according to the other governments BUT our government in Canada said it was all good.
Then the masks mandate came off in the USA and now it is back on. Remember folks, the National Post warned about Delta variant ( Indian) in March 2021. But the government is keeping an eye. The USA did NOTHING. FORD was worried as well in April.
Now I am double jabbed. Can’t travel will be considered UNSAFE. What the Hell is wrong with the government.
Oh, I did not talk about the WHO.
So should I understand the situation.

It’s not a Trump thing at all. It is a mistrust of government. Both in the USA and in Canada. I went along and got double jabbed and am nowhere.

Now what is the issue. Getting more booster shots or a third vaccine like in Quebec “at your own risk” . What is the issue.
Apparently this is where it crosses the line because they are afraid of the greater threat to cardio problems long term. That is what my phd friend from biology tells me. It aint as simple as popping tylenol folks. Words like ACE receptor. High blood pressure blockers…ring a bell folks?

#106 Doug t on 07.28.21 at 5:30 pm

RIP DUSTY HILL

#107 High IQ Anti-Vaxxer on 07.28.21 at 5:30 pm

I wish no one any ill health. However I do believe these vaccines have been rushed and there will likely be hundreds of millions of deaths, maybe more, as a result of their as yet undiscovered flaws.

This is going to be a great opportunity to swoop in and scoop up abandoned properties and businesses for those of us who did not get the jab.

I will become wealthier, the world will become cleaner as the result of population declines. I will spend some of my new fortune to put flowers on your tombstones,
in thanks to all of you joining the herd.

#108 NSNG on 07.28.21 at 5:31 pm

#86 Dr V on 07.27.21 at 11:03 pm

79 NSNG – so are you taking any gains out?

No. I’m more like Garth in that way. I believe in always being invested. The biggest potential gains are when markets blow up and by the time the public hears about it, it’s too late, the big boys have already made their money.

With that understanding, I have spent the last 20 years learning (the hard way) how to be fully hedged in my positions and ready to move when the explosions happen. Defence first.

I don’t have to do it that way but I am a volatility trader. It’s my bent so my positions are built according to my trading style.

I also don’t invest in the high fliers. My ‘safe’ money goes into dividend stocks. The reason for that is in downturns dividend stocks are more resilient due to the yield, so they tend to hold up better and when you are DRIPping you are forcing buy low buying.

#109 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 5:31 pm

@#63 Raise Rates
“Next up, asset confiscation and internment camps for the unvaxxed. It’s the only way.”

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I agree.

Sable Island should do on the East Coast.

https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/ns/sable/visit/cartes-maps

And the former Leper Colony on the West Coast…..

https://www.bcmarinetrails.org/90-marine-trail-sites/2575-d-arcy-island-gulf-islands-national-park-reserve

We can drop off food by plane and parachute .

That should do it.

#110 Joe on 07.28.21 at 5:32 pm

if things are so bad why can US citizens enter Canada on Aug 9

#111 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 5:33 pm

I am all for more booster shots of Moderna (6mo return 119%) and Pfizer (6mo return 30%).

Here’s my civic responsibility ditty:

Don’t be a coward
Get lots and lots of shots
The more the better, at $15 a pop!

#112 Auron MacIntyre on 07.28.21 at 5:35 pm

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#113 Leichendiener on 07.28.21 at 5:35 pm

Follow the Jerusalem Post for a dose of reality. The US CDC is discontinuing the RT-PCR test as of December 31st, 2021. Thank you Christian Drosten.

#114 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 5:36 pm

The comparison of other negative personal health behaviours to vaccination is not relevant, as the consequences of these largely do not affect others. They are not highly contagious. We have no vaccine for kids. Most of the world still doesn’t have access to protection. How is this not obvious?
Have these behaviours caused lockdowns and health system collapse etc.? A strain on our health system, sure, but that’s a convo for a different day.
Ontario will start releasing data on how many cases are in unvaccinated. It will be the overwhelming majority, as will hospitalizations and entirely preventable deaths. Sad for their families, especially when they know the circumstances.

#115 VAX PASS on 07.28.21 at 5:36 pm

Hey Garth,

What if the vaccine you got doesn’t qualify for the Vaccine Passport? Some countries in EU don’t recognize the AZ for example, which we mostly got.

This thing has been a sh!tshow, and you know it. What has been achieved is impressive already. More to come.

And hey, are you really picking on 12-17 and 19-29? (What happened to the 18 year olds by the way in that list?)

FYI – My 22 your old sister had Covid, test verified. Had a mild headache for barely a day.

I have this weird fielding that we’re turning this into a very divisive us against them situation. This is a coronavirus Garth. We haven’t defeated any prior ones to be honest. I believe it is far more likely we don’t defeat this one either.

Harvard dudes said as much April 2020.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/new-model-looks-at-what-might-happen-if-sars-cov-2-is-here-to-stay/

#116 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 5:38 pm

@#69 Chalkie
“Biden, so the right thing and Man up and call Trump for help, you owe it to the world.”

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The LAST thing the US needs is Trump standing in front of a live microphone spewing his “amazing”, “Fantastic”, “Unbelievable”, unscripted drivel.

He’s an insane train wreck.

And even his son in law knows it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jared-kushner-leave-politics-launch-investment-firm-sources-2021-07-28/

#117 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm

@#65 Call me curious
“Curious, what religion would ban a vaccination? I am not being a dick, I just want to know .”

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Have you seen what’s happening in Indonesia lately..?

#118 Will J on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm

A couple things you selectively don’t mention:

1) Covid vaccinations aren’t actually vaccinations. They just reduce symptoms so people don’t get seriously ill or die.

2) The Covid treatments don’t stop people from getting and carrying covid, so trying to blame the unvaccinated for possible mutations is misinformation and you should retract it. This is easily verifiable through trusted sources. Do better research.

3) Cases are a stupid metric and mean nothing if hospitalizations, ICU usage and deaths remain very low, which they are. Reporting huge case numbers without increases in the other categories is fear mongering.

4) You mentioned “Among the 18 to 29 set the rate is only 38%. Even those in their 30s are only 46% covered”. You should also mention that there are are over 9.1 million Canadians in that age range, and yet astonishingly there are only 84 deaths to date in Canada in 1.5 years of covid for those in that age range. Compared to 8,633 deaths for those over 60. But for this you want to grossly violate our long standing civil rights and mandate the young get vaccinated against their will? Disappointing, seriously.

Something no one in the news talks about: Many of us in the 20-40 range with high paying jobs who aren’t vaccinated are all moving to the USA where actual freedom is enshrined in the law (plus there’s better weather!). I talk to many who are in the process right now, and I’m doing the same with my spouse (will be gone soon!). Good luck future generations when you suffer a massive brain drain south of the border and there’s a shortage of young high-earning people to tax to pay for all of your reckless spending. I guess future leaders can just keep bringing in ever-increasing numbers of desperate immigrants who will tolerate the worsening country, to replace people actually born here.

#119 Kaiser on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm

Anyone who wants a vax can get one. They are protected. End of story.

Anyone who pushes to vaccinate people against their consent is a tyrannical monster. Nazi’s were hung at Nuremburg for that very crime. The “mandatory medical treatment” slope is so slippery as to be made of Teflon.

Also riddle me this: if 80% of the population is protected, how can a state of “pandemic” exist when only 20% are left exposed? The hospitalization rate of COVID is quite low, and primarily impacts the elderly with one or more co-morbidity (all of whom were the first to get vaccinated). So how can the medical system be overwhelmed by a small sub-set of 20% of the population getting sick?

The real cowards are always the tyrants. Always have been, always will be.

#120 ZeroForce on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm

There is an easy solution that should work very well: all those folks who refuse to get free vaccinated but state “My body my choice”, “healthy person in forties..” etc etc should be paying for any health care COVID-related expenses from their own pocket. If they are so sure they will not end up in Hospital’s ICU and they are not going to see the doctor, that is fair and they should agree to this with no objection using their own logic.

#121 Will J on 07.28.21 at 5:46 pm

Correction to my last comment: I used the Ontario numbers for deaths so the population total should be over 4.1 million in Ontario for those 20-39. Still gets the point across.

#122 Helen on 07.28.21 at 5:46 pm

People, with Trudeau getting a majority and the UN and their liberal, climate change agenda, you better worry about losing all your property through taxes and government confiscation policies. What do you think they mean by build back better. It means they going to steal your stuff and trick in saying it is for the greater good. Good luck. This corona virus and all it’s policies are just to get their future plans on taking away all your money, property, family and freedom, basically your life.

#123 Fascist Financial advice on 07.28.21 at 5:47 pm

Britain has a vax passport. Europe has one. Australia and NZ, soon.

You wish…fascist govt wet dreams ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE and are easily bypassed in day to day life..

All the countries with ZERO Covid are now Exploding with infections, GOOGLE IT..

You have definitely lost your mind, France is burning entire hospitals are on strike there. Because of this NAZI symbol and you Are still spewing fascist crap on your blog..

OMG…I don’t even know where to start when I see people like u become useful tools of the machine….

I don’t think I can argue with you on this subject as YOU DON’T HAVE THE INTELECTUAL DEPTH
to understand BIOETHICS.

STICK TO FIN ADVICE AND LEAVE THIS SUBJECT TO MATURE AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!

I DON’T CARE ABOUT YR CRAP CENSORSHIP, THE FACT THAT U READ THIS IS ENOUGH

I THINK I AM GOING TO COMPLAIN TO GUIBEAULT as your blog is mentally abusive..loool

#124 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 5:49 pm

#57 JimW on 07.28.21 at 4:47 pm

Before it became known as the Delta variant it was the India variant, as that is where it originated. Look at the case rate in India, peaked in early May when the vac rate was about 3%. Delta is nothing. Current vac rate in India is under 10% yet the latest news has the antibody rate at 67%.

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And 83% among front line health care workers (who are fully masked at all times) I might add.

The India situatuation lays bare the deception surrounding the Delta variant narrative. Those who don’t see ot by now are lost. Today’s post, case in point… They are now clamoring for the very tyranny they dismissed as conspiracy theory just a year ago.

#125 leave my body alone foos on 07.28.21 at 5:51 pm

I think maintaining a BMI of less than 25, a blood pressure of +/- 5 120/80, a bench press of 1.25x body weight, a squat/deadlift of 1.5x body weight, a 5k time of 25 minutes minimum (without stopping for a vape), 7 servings of vegetables a day, proof of no processed food and sugar consumption, proof of 2-3 servings of fish, a few of other meats, some nuts and seeds and at least 30 minutes of sunlight and 7-8 hours of sleep should be required.
I think a passport proving this before you can get within 6 feet of another person is warranted. You could have flu, cold, scabies, lice, syphilis, the clap, or any other affliction. I want proof that you shower! I don’t know what you have, stay away. In fact even if you have type 2 diabetes stay away, your behavior might start to influence mine and oh my, I wouldn’t want to be responsible for my own health, oh dear me you might make me eat a few too many cakes. Yes, covid’s real and your not being microchipped but the vaccine protects YOU. It’s fractional in protecting others, but the significance is YOU. So if we are going to start down the authoritarian health road because people are scared or think that is the only way back to a normal (regardless of rigorous analysis, or even if they are right or wrong) lets apply that logic to everything else too. Lets start with cardiovascular disease, primarily lifestyle inflicted. Even if you are right, I’d rather die from covid than live in a society where we can have woke bureaucrats, nice hair dude, no mask fauci, orange man small hands accellarated vax, non reproductive cycle studied vax is a precedent that is EVER set. “Young healthy people dying from covid”…yes they are everywhere, by the 1000s they have ling haul…(yes some do) okay but have you looked at the data? anyways…out for a run, just reducing the burden on the health care system for covid and everything else…

#126 Horrified on 07.28.21 at 5:54 pm

Glad your flag got stolen. You are unworthy of it.

#127 Kilt on 07.28.21 at 5:58 pm

Absolute Rubbish.

Vaccination should NOT be mandatory. The only person you are protecting by getting vaccinated is yourself. You can still get the virus and spread it if you are vaccinated. You are simply less likely to suffer complications or death from the virus. You are actually more likely to spread it if you are vaccinated because you will no longer wear a mask and sanitize your hands.

People should always be given a choice. Should there be consequences – absolutely. No vaccine passport – no travel. If you really want to get mean about it – refuse hospital care and services.

When I got my second dose, the nurse informed me that there was a 1 in 100,000 chance I would develop heart inflammation, mostly harmless if detected early enough. Because of where I live and my lifestyle, the chance of me actually contracting the virus and becoming hospitalized is less than 1 in a million. Something like heart inflammation and blood clots should never be forced on people.

ps – no heart inflammation yet, just a headache for 4 days.

Kilt.

#128 Zed on 07.28.21 at 5:58 pm

#53 Zed on 07.28.21 at 4:42 pm

Oh, look: “95% of Quebec infections among non-fully-vaccinated”. – Garth

My numbers are from today’s government publication

#129 Charity on 07.28.21 at 5:58 pm

Well Garth something got you really going today. Don’t disagree at all. Just noticed you are a little irked.
As for vaccine passports it does remind me of Dr Seuss the sneetches. Although I’m vaccinated I’m not certain we need the stars upon thars taking place.

#130 NOSTRADAMUS on 07.28.21 at 5:58 pm

BEWARE THE IDES OF NOVEMBER!
Gordon Lightfoots lyrics to the song” The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald” should give an eerie sense of foreboding for the overindebted.
“The legend lives on from the Chppewa on down of the big lake they called Gitchie Gumee. Superior they said never gives up her dead when the gales of November come early. For the overindebted I suspect verse 4 will give pause as to your pending fate come November.
When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin,” fellas it’s too rough to feed ya. At 7.00 p.m. a main hatchway caved in, he said “fellas its been good to know ya.” The captain wired in he had water coming in and the good ship and crew was in peril. And later that night when his lights went out of sight, came the Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald. Repeat, for the overindebted slow learners, Beware the Ides of November. Superior they said never gives up her dead when the gales of November come early. Come November look for Nostradamus to show up and say “I told you so.” I am on my throne and I will not step down.

#131 Faron on 07.28.21 at 6:00 pm

#68 Doggy Coins on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm

They alone are to blame so STOP blaming the little guy!

Uh, no. Those who are vaccinated live in precisely the same media climate as those who aren’t. failure to get vaccinated lies squarely on the shoulders of those who chose not to despite ample and readily available evidence of the benefit.

#132 Watcher on 07.28.21 at 6:00 pm

I will defer my own comments to those of a colleague Kulvinder Kaur MD:

“Politicians & media have now entered a dark realm: deflecting from their own failures/lies by conditioning ppl to believe fellow citizens are the other, are unworthy, are untouchable, are subhuman. State sponsored hate. History teaches us the horrors of denying ppl their humanity.”

Hope that you leave this post up Sir. It’s Germany 1939 all over again.

#133 Alex on 07.28.21 at 6:02 pm

Again, please eductae yourself:
The current expansion in prevalence of infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants is highly problematic because it erodes natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity in the non-vaccinated part of the population. The high infectivity rate that results from this expansion not only further enhances the expansion of these variants but may also drive natural selection of viral variants that are featured by an even higher level of infectiousness. Erosion, therefore, of natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity promotes breeding and transmission of more infectious viral variants in the non-vaccinated part of the population. On the other hand, mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI). This is why mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone during a pandemic of more infectious variants (unless transmission-blocking vaccines are used!). It is critical to understand that a rapid decline in viral infectivity rates that is not achieved by natural infection but merely results from expedited mass vaccination campaigns will only delay abrupt propagation of emerging, fully vaccine-resistant viral variants and hence, only delay the occurrence of a high wave of morbidity and mortality. In contrast, mass vaccination campaigns that are progressing more slowly, especially when conducted on a background of relatively low infectious pressure, will result in a steadily growing propagation of increasingly VI-escaping variants and hence, cause a wave of morbidity and mortality that continues to grow bigger and larger as more and more people become vaccinated. It’s only when fully vaccine-resistant viral variants will become dominant that this wave will start to peak.

To prevent more detrimental consequences of the ongoing evolution of Sars-CoV-2, we have no choice but to mitigate erosion of natural, Coronavirus (CoV)-nonspecific immunity in non-vaccinated individuals and exertion of strong immune selection pressure on immunodominant vaccinal epitopes in vaccinated individuals. This is to say that we must stop mass vaccination and lower viral infectivity rates immediately. Continued mass vaccination will only lead to a further increase in morbidity and hospitalization rates, which will subsequently culminate in a huge case fatality wave when expansion of more infectious, vaccine-resistant variants will explode.

A rapid and substantial decrease in viral infectivity rates could be achieved by a short-term course of large-scale antiviral chemoprophylaxis (suitable candidates have already been identified) and adequate infection prevention measures while early treatment of symptomatically infected subjects and implementation of a healthy eating (including certain dietary supplements) and lifestyle (including exercise!) plan would further contribute to building herd immunity. Although this strategy is unlikely to eradicate the virus, it should allow forcing the pandemic into transitioning to a kind of ‘artificial’endemicity. Of course, as asymptomatic reservoirs (asymptomatically infected vaccinated or non-vaccinated humans or even animals) would remain, mass gatherings would still need to be avoided in the future and large-scale chemoprophylaxis campaigns using antiviral drugs would likely need to be repeated at specific time intervals and for as long as no sterilizing immune intervention is available. The action plan proposed above should immediately be implemented: Once the virus will become entirely resistant to the current vaccines, the above-mentioned measures will no longer be able to prevent a dramatic rise in casualties, unless campaigns of antiviral chemoprophylaxis are conducted worldwide and on a permanent basis.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down

#134 Love_The_Cottage on 07.28.21 at 6:05 pm

What happened to ‘the pandemic is over’?

#135 Gordon on 07.28.21 at 6:09 pm

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#136 VGRO and chill on 07.28.21 at 6:15 pm

I have been saying this privately to my friends/family for a week or so now. The vaccines must be mandatory.

There are tons of young people out there who have drank mystery drinks their friends brewed up, ate bizarre food in bizarre places around the world, smoked weed from who knows where on the planet, or made out with crazy chicks at concerts. But are now digging their heels in about a vaccine made by medical scientists because “it could be unsafe.” It’s simply ridiculous.

#137 Trojan House on 07.28.21 at 6:16 pm

Everyone knows, or should know, that the vaccines do not stop transmission. The only lessen the symptoms so that you don’t get severe Covid or end up in the hospital.

Less disease and death. Duh, that’s the point. – Garth

#138 Axehead on 07.28.21 at 6:24 pm

There are cowards amoungst those who refuse vaccinations. But there are brave souls as well. To equate them all as cowards is simplistic generalization.

So just call them selfish, brave people. Your choice. – Garth

#139 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 6:25 pm

#113 ZeroForce on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm
There is an easy solution that should work very well: all those folks who refuse to get free vaccinated but state “My body my choice”, “healthy person in forties..” etc etc should be paying for any health care COVID-related expenses from their own pocket.
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Fine. Make the same for smokers. Drinkers. People who get HIV from drug use or unprotected sex. Skiiers who break a leg. Basically anyone who needs health services because of life choices rather than by accident or genetics?

Watch your slippery slopes.

#140 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 6:27 pm

#80 Kilt
“You are actually more likely to spread it if you are vaccinated because you will no longer wear a mask and sanitize your hands.”
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Oh, I’m sure. Because there is no correlation with anti-maskers and unvaccinated. Mask mandates currently don’t differ based on your vaccine status. Illness will be very mild or asymptomatic in many vaccinated cases and therefore transmission will be very low. This is well documented. We are also avoiding unvaccinated, so that should help overall.
However, I do thank you for stepping up to the plate despite your low risk.

#141 J on 07.28.21 at 6:27 pm

The “my freedom” and “my choice” arguments seem selfish to me.

Going with their arguments, I should be able to drive my car and not stop at red lights because they inconvenience me and block my freedom of mobility. Or, I should be able to drink and drive since it’s “my body my choice”.

Obviously with the two examples above the counter argument is that there is a possibility that you will do harm to others.

And, this is where the arguments from the anti-vax folks falls apart. Their action of not getting the jab has a real possibility of causing harm to others.

I personally wouldn’t go so far as to mandate vaccines for the entire population. Psychology studies have shown that some people will dig in their heels and resist when forced to do something. Instead, I’d block access to many parts of society to anti-vaxers such as limiting access to jobs, travel, large gatherings, etc.

At first I laughed and giggled at the absurd microchip and 5G conspiracy theories. But, now, I’m actually a bit sad that such a large percentage of (the US) population (and maybe even Canada) believes this crap. I thought we were better than this.

#142 truefacts on 07.28.21 at 6:28 pm

“…96% of those between 19 and 29 who got the bug weren’t vaccinated. Among those 12 to 17…, 99% had not been inoculated.” – Garth
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…and out of 38 million (Canada) this age group has had 80 deaths from Covid – a rounding error. For perspective, over a quarter million people die every year in Canada.

Every death is tragic, if you want to worry about this, then driving should also be outlawed as people die in traffic accidents every day.

Time to move on – Britain has. They opened up EVERYTHING (including nightclubs, unmasked – oh the horrors) and yet case counts are declining…

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/uk-covid-cases-are-falling-despite-the-easing-of-lockdowns-surprising-the-experts.html

#143 Woke up this morning... on 07.28.21 at 6:29 pm

#126 Horrified

Glad your flag got stolen. You are unworthy of it.

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WOW. Harsh.

Right to property vs. right to your own body.

Who wins? Shouldn’t both in a country like Canada?

Do two wrongs make a right?

If I can’t tell you you can’t own and show your flag can you argue I don’t have a right to make my own decisions?

And since when does a conservative dude like Garth push for rights to self to be taken away?

I don’t know what to think anymore.

#144 Joseph R. on 07.28.21 at 6:29 pm

#133 Alex on 07.28.21 at 6:02 pm
Again, please eductae yourself:

[Plagiarised crap]

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down

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Read on Dr. Geert Vanden Boosche before plagiarizing his article:

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

#145 kommykim on 07.28.21 at 6:30 pm

RE: #93 Paul on 07.28.21 at 5:17 pm
Small correction. Australia and NZ do not have a Vax passport and there are people dying who have been double vaccinated

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The majority of people who die in car accidents are wearing seatbelts. That’s why I don’t wear one.

#146 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 6:32 pm

#100 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 5:25 pm
#67 Scaron

When your Lean Muscle Mass score infects me, puts me in hospital or kills me, then I will be a believer of what you say.
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DV give your head a shake.

Just because I take the vaccine does not mean I cannot give you Covid. Delta in particular does not seem to prevent in the slightest people from passing it on.

If YOU are worried, YOU should take the vaccine. You should not rely on others taking it to protect you. It doesn’t protect someone from getting covid nor from passing covid, at least not in a meaningful way.

It DOES however provide significant protection from serious illness should you catch it after being vaccinated. So everyone SHOULD get it honestly. But not because it protects others. Because it protects the person who takes it.

This is today’s news on the very topic, educate yourself:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

#147 Lt. Commander Data on 07.28.21 at 6:33 pm

Less disease and death. Duh, that’s the point. – Garth

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Garth,

I read that world population grew in 2020 and so far in 2021 as well.

Crude death rate dropped in 202 world wide in 2020.

Apparently only 60m people died in 2020.

Coronavirus does not have anything on humans. (Moments like this I wish I could use those contractions.)

#148 Lt. Commander Data on 07.28.21 at 6:36 pm

Oh, look: “95% of Quebec infections among non-fully-vaccinated”. – Garth

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I get error when squaring this with #23 Dolce Vita comment:

“Chief Medical Officer said 60% in hospital were 2 dose vaxd of about 4500 people in the whole of the UK.”

#149 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 6:39 pm

#118 leave my body alone foos on 07.28.21 at 5:51 pm

I think maintaining a BMI of less than 25, a blood pressure of +/- 5 120/80, a bench press of 1.25x body weight, a squat/deadlift of 1.5x body weight, a 5k time of 25 minutes minimum (without stopping for a vape), 7 servings of vegetables a day, proof of no processed food and sugar consumption, proof of 2-3 servings of fish, a few of other meats, some nuts and seeds and at least 30 minutes of sunlight and 7-8 hours of sleep should be required.

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Nah. Fast food is one of life’s great joys. And veggies are for sissies.

#150 G on 07.28.21 at 6:40 pm

Hi #18,
It was/is very political when the DT is mentioned, still is. I thought Kamala and Biden choose to get the a vac, might have been after the vote. And Canada’s PMT has ‘chosen’ to have the vac. As have many people.

My wife and My Dr have had the vac. dose 1&2.
In consolation with your personal DR and past personal medical experiences you should decide on your own medical treatments.
If a medical treatment make sense for you go for it, if it helps others some how, some would call that a bonus. I think the concept of informed consent is very important. It’s even spelled out in the Nuremberg code, it made sense at the time. Still does IMO.

This DR, that Medcram guy, has had the vac and also treats people in hospital with C19, here he’s talking about additional things you can do to help your immune system work well. Which is a good thing all the time I thought. YT 1hr 52min Jan 27, 2021
Doctor Explains Form Of PREVENTION & TREATMENT of Viruses | Roger Seheult & Lewis Howes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obPAKgwueGE

And the same Dr his lasted YT 16min July 24, 2021
Delta Variant Versus Previous COVID 19 Infection vs. Vaccines (Coronavirus Update 128)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWGh19yTXw

I thought this interview was informative and balanced.
(no chips mentioned at all LOL.) But being whom the interviewer is some might not bother getting the info out of it at all. YT 55min. July 16, 2021.
Vaccine Q&A with Dr. Maria Ryan | Rudy Giuliani’s Common Sense | Ep. 155 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL3Yb97_B-c

I’m sure these links aren’t about to change anyone’s mind either way, just some more info. Ideas about staying as health as possible might help someone a bit.
The start of the C19 little was know about it and treatments that help the very sick. We know more now and will know even more about this pandemic in the future.
My fingers are crossed the pandemic will end sooner than later, someone mentioned they all do end eventually. A minimum lose of life and the hospitals never get totally over whelmed, so far so good. That’s what the lock downs were for right. After all we all would like to be able to get medical help if we need it for any reason like a car accident or falling down stair or some other virus or…
We all still need to eat and pay our bills hopefully the best path with any needed adjustments gets us all though this, easier said than done for some I know. If the answers were all easy there wouldn’t be much talking about it all I guess.

#151 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 6:40 pm

@#123 Truther that hates the Truth
“STICK TO FIN ADVICE AND LEAVE THIS SUBJECT TO MATURE AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!”

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“Mature?”

You’re the one shouting….

i think Montreal Simons blog is missing an idiot.

#152 Cdn Mom on 07.28.21 at 6:43 pm

A good portion of those still unvaccinated have already had the virus, and do not require the vaccine. That’s why they’re not interested. (I cannot believe you wrote mandatory, selfish, or cowardly.) A good portion of past infections have been unrecorded, due to testing restrictions, minor symptoms, testing too late, etc. Recorded infections have been vastly undercounted in this country. You can’t find what you don’t look for.

Some recent data suggests that those previously infected have superior protection as compared to those jabbed. That protection is because they have encountered the WHOLE of the virus, all of its parts, not just one spike protein. Start watching for reinfection numbers vs. fully vaccinated infected. Bet the fully vaxed will be exponentially higher than reinfection.

Of the 11 people I know personally that will not receive the vaccine:

8 have had a previous infection (including one immuno-suppressed, and myself), most pre-mask mandates,
1 is currently pregnant,
1 is attempting to become pregnant,
1 was fully exposed to infected spouse.

Zero hospitalized, one received a script for breathing easier.

I reject your imposition upon my medical decision-making.

#153 Namaste on 07.28.21 at 6:43 pm

What do we make of this new kid on the block that just got ousted from the Conservative Party @ https://twitter.com/MPDerekSloan

#154 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 6:45 pm

@#126 Horrified
“Glad your flag got stolen. ”

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“horrified” my god.

Have the Lunenburg RCMP interviewed you yet?

Or are you still catatonically traumatized from reading todays blog and you cant answer the knock on the front door?

#155 Doc on 07.28.21 at 6:48 pm

All UN members are signatories to the Nuremberg code. It clearly states no one can be forced to participate in a medical experiment without their informed consent. Currently the clinical trials are ongoing and the clinical knowledge particularly of the longterm neurological/auto immune risks/consequences vs benifits of these new vaccines won’t be fully known for 10 years. When we have the scientific data available from this ongoing trial true informed consent will be possible but until then people should know they are experimental test subjects and carefully consider their personal risk profile before participating. Alternatives to vaccination need more study but evidence for efficacy of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine is mounting and these alternatives should not be dismissed for political reasons ( ie. Trump is in favour of hydroxychloroquine so it must be bad). The original Lancet article re HCQ has been retracted as inaccurate ie bad science. I say show the public the actual scientific evidence. Allow this topic to be publicly debated to help inform the public. Even the CDC says that the PCR test can’t differentiate between Covid, the common cold or the flu and its use will be ended by year end. How about publication of all the vaccine ingredients for a start. Education not coercion is the way forward.

#156 Annek on 07.28.21 at 6:49 pm

Interesting fact: one in ten people who get Covid also get “Slow Covid “ which lasts for a long long time and feels like you have been hit by a train every morning.
So unvaccinated people , you worry about yourself and not protecting others.
But worry about “Slow” Covid where you are so tired all the time. Daily life and work can be challenging. On the other hand will T2 hand out more payments to those people?

#157 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 6:52 pm

#139 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 6:25 pm
#113 ZeroForce on 07.28.21 at 5:40 pm
There is an easy solution that should work very well: all those folks who refuse to get free vaccinated but state “My body my choice”, “healthy person in forties..” etc etc should be paying for any health care COVID-related expenses from their own pocket.
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Fine. Make the same for smokers. Drinkers. People who get HIV from drug use or unprotected sex. Skiiers who break a leg. Basically anyone who needs health services because of life choices rather than by accident or genetics?

Watch your slippery slopes.
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The usual stooopit argument by the usual stooopit people.
A guy who breaks his leg skiing does not (in 99% of the cases) cause another skier’s broken leg.
And, YOU watch YOUR slippery slope. (Another pun intended).
I’m on a roll today.
Lots of easy targets.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.

#158 Faron on 07.28.21 at 6:52 pm

#73 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 5:03 pm
#40 “NUTS!” on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

I’m feeling charitable so I’ll try to lead you down a helpful path, bro!

So, we have this thing called the delta variant. You may have heard of it? In case not, It’s a mutation that, by definition, comes from interaction with a host. Stronger? How’s about 1000 times the viral load? Twice as likely to hospitalize?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-19-delta-variant

Whether it is “likely” doesn’t matter when the probability of Delta existing in the world is 1.

Anything else you need help with? Hand sanitizer?

#77 Penny Henny on 07.28.21 at 5:07 pm

Faron, you off your meds again?

Oops, level 3.

But, I’ll respond: I take Diphenhydramine for certain aggravations I experience here. Seems to work for the common ragweed AKA pennius-hennius.

I’ll ask this out of curiosity though: if I did have any kind of mental health issue, why would it matter aside from your juvenile and unproductive stigmatizing? Are there mental health issues that are okay with you and others that are more bad? Can you please clear this up for us?

#159 Ahmed on 07.28.21 at 6:53 pm

I’m double vaxed. I support employers that require employees to be vaxed. Like the drinking and driving argument, you can drink or you can drive but not both.

However, I support people’s freedom to choose even though I may not agree with the choice.

I’ll support mandatory vaccinations when there is mandatory hand-washing. Until then, educate and let the virus sort itself out.

Ahmed

#160 yvr_lurker on 07.28.21 at 6:54 pm

This fourth wave is what I was predicting all spring after hearing of the Delta variant. It is going to be an interesting fall in the Universities once the students are packed in the dorms with faculty teaching in huge lecture halls with poor ventilation. There will be many surprises ahead, and I predict we may be all online again unless some mandatory vaccine requirement is brought in for all those living so closely in dorms (like U. of T. is doing I believe). I hope not, but I fear there will be a rather wild ride yet to come….

#161 aloneinthepark on 07.28.21 at 6:59 pm

#36 Toronto_CA on 07.28.21 at 4:19 pm

Live with the virus. Stop locking down. Let people who are at risk decide they want to take the virus and not get sick. Adequately fund health care.

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I’d have NO problem if the unvaxxed (excluding those who can’t take them for a REAL health-related reason, religion isn’t a valid excuse…) pay for their own healthcare. Me, the kids and likely their grandchildren will be paying for this stupidity.

I’m beyond fed up with the selfishness, kids have been stuck at home for more than a year.

People in the third world would LOVE to get the shot.

#162 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 7:01 pm

#140 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 6:27 pm

#80 Kilt
“You are actually more likely to spread it if you are vaccinated because you will no longer wear a mask and sanitize your hands.”
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Oh, I’m sure. Because there is no correlation with anti-maskers and unvaccinated. Mask mandates currently don’t differ based on your vaccine status. Illness will be very mild or asymptomatic in many vaccinated cases and therefore transmission will be very low. This is well documented. We are also avoiding unvaccinated, so that should help overall.
However, I do thank you for stepping up to the plate despite your low risk.

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Actually,

USA Today Scrubs Passage Suggesting Vaccinated Individuals May Spread COVID With ‘Higher Levels’ Of Virus

“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article.”

#163 Proud CERBian on 07.28.21 at 7:03 pm

As long as enough remained unvaccinated, the CERB will continue for my entire lifetime!

Bless you and bless our nation of CERBia!

#164 Quintilian on 07.28.21 at 7:04 pm

If you do not want to be vaccinated, fine.
However, your tax payer funded health care insurance will be suspended.

Refusal of the vaccine is irresponsible and anti social.

I would go as far as classifying it as criminal, just as driving impaired.

#165 Annek on 07.28.21 at 7:05 pm

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-41-morning-north/clip/15856317-dr.-peter-lin-canadas-covid-strategy-summer

Information on the Delta Varient
People do not realize that vaccines are effective, but not 100% in all people. So even if a person vaccinated themselves, twice, an unvaccinated person can pass it on.
So people who refuse the vaccine are not thinking of others in our society, just themselves.

#166 TheDood on 07.28.21 at 7:05 pm

#8 Garth Be Trolling on 07.28.21 at 3:39 pm
Garth, I normally love your takes, but this is a dumb idea. If COVID-19 vaccines become mandatory, I’m grabbing a TN visa and getting out of here. If I wanted to live in a dictatorship, I’d rather live somewhere with warmer weather and cheaper real estate.

#9 Jimmy Zhao on 07.28.21 at 3:39 pm
My body my choice.

Not if you live with the rest of us. – Garth

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What should be mandatory? The stupid and selfish who refuse or delay getting a jab requiring a permanent forehead tattoo that reads ‘F’N STUPID’

#167 Cici on 07.28.21 at 7:09 pm

YES Sir!

Proof of vaccination should absolutely be mandatory.

First, to protect all the kids under age 12 who haven’t been vaccinated yet.

Second, so that healthy, logically minded people can work, travel and socialize without worrying about falling ill thanks to nutbars who think they’re invincible or that this is all a hoax.

Third, the unvaxxed are a huge risk to the health care system and the entire economy. Even adults who have received both doses probably won’t want to participate in travel, leisure, dining out and other activities if doing so could put their babies or young children at risk. As daily case counts rise, many will forego such activities as a precautionary measure and that will in turn dampen the rebound.

You ain’t special and the Guberment don’t want your crappy DNA. Grab a brain and a pair, and get vaxxed fast!

#168 taxman604 on 07.28.21 at 7:13 pm

As a staunch civil libretarian I do not believe that vaccinations should be mandated. Private employers and private citizens should have the ability to make their own choices (however poor those choices are).

All levels of government should be allowed to cease employment for those under their employ who choose not to be vaccinated (absent of course, valid medical reasons).

Lastly.. our free healthcare, well taxpayer subsidized healthcare, should become significantly less free after say.. October 1st.. for anyone who chooses to remain unvaccinated.. and suffers a COVID specific ailment. Trip to the ER and you have COVID.. ding ding ding.. you owe $30/60/90K.. whatever the hospital would be fore those who would not be covered.

That is to say.. those who are free to make absurd/poor choices.. should also be forced to bear the responsibility for such absurd/poor decisions.

#169 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 7:14 pm

The question whether Gubernments should mandate vaccines is already becoming redundant.
Major companies are already mandating it for its employees.
As Garth says: Mr. Market does not want another lock down.
And Mrs. Market does not want it either.
She’s tired of the guy lying on the couch all day during lock downs.

#170 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 7:22 pm

Gee
judging from all the chirping from the anti vaxx’ers on the blog today….
I’d say about 10% of the 900,000 people in BC that STILL havent had one vaccine are here.

Not to worry people
Darwins Law will prove who’s right soon enough.

#171 hsve prick..want to travel on 07.28.21 at 7:24 pm

‘After all, vaccinations are free, widely available and in many places now being given at walk-in clinics. ‘…GARTH!..we know NOTHING IS FREE..how much did our friends (?) in Ottawa pay per dose?..and now we have 66 million waiting..and waiting..surprised your choice of words..being a financial guy and all

#172 taxman604 on 07.28.21 at 7:25 pm

As a staunch civil libertarian I do not believe that vaccinations should be mandated. Private employers and private citizens should have the ability to make their own choices (however poor those choices are).

All levels of government should be allowed to cease employment for those under their employ who choose not to be vaccinated (absent of course, valid medical reasons).

Lastly.. our free healthcare, well taxpayer subsidized healthcare, should become significantly less free after say.. October 1st.. for anyone who chooses to remain unvaccinated.. and suffers a COVID specific ailment. Trip to the ER and you have COVID.. ding ding ding.. you owe $30/60/90K.. whatever the hospital would be fore those who would not be covered.

That is to say.. those who are free to make absurd/poor choices.. should also be forced to bear the responsibility for such absurd/poor decisions.

#173 What the ? on 07.28.21 at 7:25 pm

Did someone hack this blog today?

#174 yvr_lurker on 07.28.21 at 7:28 pm

#18 Franco
What keeps me awake is if the virus mutates to something that it by-passes the current vaccines and we have to do this all over again. It’s not just the U.S. and Canada, but there are many parts of this world that have a very low rate of vaccination, not easy to vaccinate over 7 billion people. Let’s hope the mutations are minor and nothing to worry about. Maybe this could be the doomsday scenario for our economy, life will go on and the virus will eventually be tamed, either through natural forces or we get lucky with the vaccine.

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I feel much the same way. Usually mutations lead us to a more chronic disease pathway, but this is not 1918. The way that the entire world is coupled together in such a tighter way than before means that new potentially serious mutations (either more infective or more lethal) developing in countries that are slow to vaccinate are problematic for us all. The longer this drags on for the world, the more problematic it can be come. After this is over, scientists will have a much clearer idea how to build network models to assses the wordwide risk scenarios of pathogens jumping the species barrier (through animal markets, encroachment on wildlife terrain in the tropics etc…). I hope for the best outcome, but it is clear the pandemic is not over until. ????…(and I am not going to write until the fat lady sings).

#175 Freedom First on 07.28.21 at 7:33 pm

Rats! Looks like it may take 2 more years to flatten the curve instead of the initial 2 weeks.

#176 Cici on 07.28.21 at 7:33 pm

Garth, did you tune in to Powell’s press conference today?

If so, was it just me, or did he look totally shaky and nervous?

I was also worried about the fact that he kept mentioning the supply-side inflation problem and the lack of people wanting to go back to work, but simultaneously kept mentioning that house inflation was good at that they wanted more of it.

Do they not realize the house inflation is a big reason the many peeps aren’t going back to work? After all, if you are sure your net worth is going to constantly and consistently rise above reported inflation without any expended effort and that you can just borrow against it, why would you leave the house and go to work? Especially when speculating and flipping make getting rich even quicker, easier and more fun?

Something tells me they just might lose control of this beast.

#177 Frank on 07.28.21 at 7:34 pm

I don’t see TurnerNation today commenting, missing in action. Also, nobody is responsible and liable for when things go wrong from heath problems to death after vaccinated. You talk about working together until somebody gets sick or dies and then who cares about it. This is how it is now. No laws to protect after vaccination.

#178 Dr V on 07.28.21 at 7:42 pm

108 NSNG – thanks for your response.

I consider taking some gains as good strategy in the big picture.

I jumped into dividends in the crash, as well as EMs, US small/mids and my one individual equity – cdn bank.

As I am still making a wage as I transition to retirement, I kept the withdrawals small. The largest one came from my US index as my concern as well was that it was getting too big too fast on a few highly
valued companies.

Hopefully Chrystia doesn’t come hunting too hard and lets us small players keep 50% tax free. If markets are still up in the new year I will discuss with my advisor.

#179 Nat on 07.28.21 at 7:43 pm

There is no long term safety data on the vaccines because the vaccines were invented last year. The clinical trials are still going on. The vaccines have received emergency use authorization, not full authorization. We don’t know if there will be long term health impacts from the vaccine, so individuals can’t determine the risk/benefit to them of getting the jab.

For those who are in a high risk category, the risk/benefit of the vaccine makes sense. But for those in a low risk category, the risk/benefit cannot be determined at this time. How can we mandate a vaccine on somebody when we don’t know if it will do them more harm than good?

As others have noted today, those who have the vaccine are protected from severe illness, but they can still be contagious and pass it along to others. If people who want to get vaccinated are protected, why would we mandate the jab on those people where the long term risk/benefit isn’t clear?

It’s not cowardly to think about the long term.

#180 Linda on 07.28.21 at 7:43 pm

The anti-vaxxers proffer many ‘reasons’ as to why they ‘won’t be jabbed’. Including, ironically, the chip theory. For that I say: Why would the government bother? If you own a cell phone, not only is there a readily traceable chip within but you willingly pay for it. Further, if ‘the government’ or anyone else tried to take your cell phone away from you, chances are you’d fight like crazy to hold onto it.

In other words, no need for ‘the government’ to go to the expense of inserting a chip to track you. You can already be tracked by means of your phone, your car, your computer, your credit/debit card etc. Sheesh.

As for vaccinations, unless you truly have a valid reason to not vaccinate such as 1) taking medication that would cause a serious medical issue if you were jabbed; 2) have an allergy to all the vaccines (see#1) or 3) are on medication that would effectively render the vaccine useless. Apparently auto-immune drugs negate the vaccines. Check with your doctor.

‘But, but, but’ – ok folks. When was the last time you were allowed to smoke in an office or other indoor public space or airplane? Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you exit a building when the fire alarm goes off? Or do you run red lights, stay inside until you smell smoke, sneak a smoke in the toilet facilities, jump off a bridge because ‘everyone’s doing it’?

I do think that vaccinations will eventually become mandatory with a doctor’s note required for the few who truly can’t safely vaccinate. I expect the tide will quickly turn once lawsuits start piling up. If it can be proved your lack of vaccination caused a loved one to contract Covid with either death or long term health issues as a result – well, don’t expect to come out of that with your financial assets intact.

#181 Kerry on 07.28.21 at 7:43 pm

Going by the mandatory logic, why is it not mandatory for people to take care of their own family when other have to support their bad decisions from divorce to bad money choices. If I am forced to be a responsible citizen medically then why is it not good for personal financial reasons. There are so many people that don’t pay for their kids, wives and they chose to have a family. This is so hypocritical.

#182 Maxim on 07.28.21 at 7:44 pm

Thank you so much for writing this.

#183 Dill on 07.28.21 at 7:50 pm

This should ease any vaccine hesitancy…
https://vaccineinjurysupport.ca/en

There is a national program set up for vaccine injuries. How lovely and reassuring.

#184 Mdq on 07.28.21 at 7:54 pm

I am disappointed in you Garth. This is no different than those folks did to your precious flag.

If you want the freedom to celebrate Canada day you should also have the freedom to chose an emergency approved vaccine.

And btw I 100% support you about your flag and I’m vaccinated.

#185 Linda on 07.28.21 at 7:54 pm

#32 ‘Pylot’ – I think eventually the mixed vaccines will be accepted, it might just take some time. Like you I got two different shots – AZ followed by Pfizer. AZ was all that was available when a chance to vaccinate came along. I figured some protection was better than none so jumped at the chance. Then when the time came for the second dose, AZ had been sidelined & Pfizer (or Moderna) was all that was on offer.

If it helps any, apparently early studies have shown that mixing vaccines can slingshot the effectiveness upwards. The one study was for AZ & Pfizer combined. It was found that the efficacy of the vaccines was boosted up to 3.9 times when the two vaccines were taken 8 weeks apart. Didn’t seem to matter which one you took first, as long as it was those two combined in total. I know your post said your vaccines combo was AZ & Moderna, but could be the combo has made you ‘extra’ safe:)

#186 All you couch epidemiologists on 07.28.21 at 7:55 pm

All you couch epidemiologists need to stop going down the many Internet rabbit holes pretending to fully comprehend and understand anything about epidemiology, virus, spike proteins, etc. You’re wasting precious cycles and the only people who benefit are the grifters.

Go talk to your family doctors and take their advice on the covid vaccines. If you trust some bs you found online over your family doctor, you’re an idiot.

#187 Rarely Respond on 07.28.21 at 7:56 pm

#96 DV

I’m afraid this data directly responds to the Delta panic and the proposed authoritarian measures (whats the Delta CFR again? by age cohort?). I’m also afraid you entirely missed the point; I can tell because you didn’t take up the challenge. If you had, you would have discovered the following for individuals free of comorbidities (based on the 5% courtesy of the CDC):

COVID ADJ CFR age
0.000255% <19
0.001200% 20-29
0.003010% 30-39
0.007990% 40-49
0.026290% 50-59
0.110080% 60-69
0.444385% 70-79
1.195310% 80+

The point being the young and the healthy will recover from COVID in the majority of cases. Protective measures should be directed towards those that require them. Also, we (the entire human race) face unknown consequences of the vax as there are no long term data available on mRNA tech. For me, a known potential death of ~8:100k is an acceptable risk. For those under 20yrs old in the "free of comorbidity cohort", 1:500K. This is why I advocate for personal choice; your vaccine will protect you right? Long term morbidity from COVID is a concern but there is no good data or identified mechanism that I can find as of yet, and you can bet that if there is something concrete it would be sung from the hilltops by the media to foment panic.

BTW, not sure what your numbers are referring to as the CFR of Death is 100% all the time. Of course I’m being facetious but you really are trying to compare apples to oranges (chronic conditions v. acute infection).

#188 Investx on 07.28.21 at 7:58 pm

Dolce Vita:

“When your unvaxd body infects another body and potentially sends them to hospital or even kills them, your BS “My body” manifesto becomes at best assault, worst murder.”

– Not if that other body has been vaccinated, right? Make up your minds.

“You DO NOT have sovereignty over the health and lives of others. THAT is where the line must be drawn.”

– And yet, that’s what you’re doing.
And just a reminder, the vaccines have not received standard FDA Approval yet – only Emergency Use Authorization at this point.

#189 Randy P on 07.28.21 at 8:01 pm

What about all the chemicals and crap they put in our food, water, environment that over many years causes all kinds of diseases and health problems. Why is it that they are not responsible for the greater good of society. This greater good of society is such BS for decades now as we all know, the powerful and corporations always get away.

It is just a cost of business for them. They pay a fine if that and make 4, 5 times plus in profits compared to the fine. Look up it up. There is so much evidence out there.

#190 NSNG on 07.28.21 at 8:01 pm

#177 Dr V on 07.28.21 at 7:42 pm

My system is designed to create cash flow. As the market moves, I am buying and selling but always invested. It forces me to sell high and buy low. When I retire it will create income but at this time I am just reinvesting everything I earn and waiting for opportunities. As it should be.

#191 Simple questions on 07.28.21 at 8:01 pm

I’m vaccinated, I’m not worried, not even about the ‘mutants’ that have so many of you running scared.

Because unlike you, I am confident that vaccines work.

And yup, I’ll get a booster in 6 months most likely. Maybe tuned a little for the latest variation. But Delta is less lethal than others, which is not unusual.

If you are worried, wear your mask and more importantly, social distance. That kept you safe even without being vaxed, didn’t it?

People like Linda and Cici keep talking about the unvaxed killing the vaxed, or “children who haven’t been vaxed yet”.

Really simple questions for you both:

Why are you trying to force vaccinations on people who don’t want it, while children who want it remain unvaxed?

If an unvaxed person infects a vaxed person, doesn’t that mean the vax doesn’t work?

In which case a vaxed person could infect another vaxed person. So, lawsuits and jail in that case too I guess?

Please answer these simple questions, because really, I think you are making the opposite case that you think you are.

#192 Cici on 07.28.21 at 8:02 pm

#29 Faron on 07.28.21 at 4:13 pm
#15 Franco on 07.28.21 at 3:54 pm

What keeps me awake is if the virus mutates

Possible. But there is a lot that is possible that isn’t worth worrying about. Get your vaccination. Support efforts to vaccinate poorer countries and carry on with your life. If we all did this, the virus would be about over by now in countries with vaccine access.

Bring to mind how utterly idiotic it is for us living in a developed nation to forego vaccine (often allowing it to expire) while some nations have ~2% vaccine rates due to supply. Insane.
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Yes, exactly. We are darned lucky and privileged to have access to these vaccines!

#193 Adam on 07.28.21 at 8:04 pm

Quick reply because I’m on my cell phone. All I’m going to say is I guess they can add passports the debt. How much more money will it cost to take a colour photograph of 40 million Canadians I make 40 million covid passports. Good luck making vaccinations mandatory you might as well create a civil war. Besides today it showed that only 84% effective for Pfizer if you had two shots. And that’s the overall efficacy not for the Delta variant it may only be 50% effective for the Delta variant. Do you want to know what is effective? Wearing masks and washing your hands that’s what everyone should we doing. How we should be wearing masks just because of the flu nevermind covid imagine how many lives that would save. But if you can’t even get people to wear masks how the hell are you going to get them to get a shot into their bodies

#194 Wizz on 07.28.21 at 8:05 pm

Delta is not that dangerous only bit more infections. In Uk’s deaths are minimal where cases high.
Young better get their natural, least dangerous long lasting immunity for free.
Don’t care about your stock market. will not risk my health or life for your stocks and options.. very narcistic of you , moralizing and virtue signaling and looks like it’s all about YOUR money..

#195 F Cook on 07.28.21 at 8:05 pm

Hahaha, I’m not afraid of no government micro chips. What are they gonna do? Make me vote for communists and join r/CanadaHousing?

Bring on the third dose!

#196 Entrepreneur on 07.28.21 at 8:06 pm

I do not believe in forced vaccination and vaccination passports. I also do not believe in this forced lockdown especially when big box stores remain open but small businessess are ordered to close door.

I do believe in keeping the body and mind healthy so that it is able to fight against any disease that comes along. This is what I have been taught and I live my life this way. And the Vitamin C,D, and zinc combo as reported by bloggers.

I and people around me all had the covid in December 2019, worse flu ever that last, a sharp contraction in the lung area for a few seconds.

On the news fires in B.C. but then the polls people are concerned about the climage change, hmmm, then…

Lots of talk of a Federal Election, lots of talk of mandatory vaccinatins, vaccinations passports, oh so concerned, but how about

Picture Voter ID Card to make elections fair and safe.

#197 All you couch epidemiologists on 07.28.21 at 8:09 pm

#178 Nat on 07.28.21 at 7:43 pm
There is no long term safety data on the vaccines because the vaccines were invented last year. The clinical trials are still going on. The vaccines have received emergency use authorization, not full authorization. We don’t know if there will be long term health impacts from the vaccine, so individuals can’t determine the risk/benefit to them of getting the jab.

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Individuals, en mass, aren’t intelligent enough to determine risk/benefit of any vaccination. This is why we have doctors who take many years of advanced education, are professionally trained, and take an oath.

Get out of the Internet rabbit rabbit holes. Be responsible and schedule a visit with a family doctor to discuss your concerns and stop spreading this bs.

#198 Chris L. on 07.28.21 at 8:11 pm

Garth, those arguments don’t hold water unless you think we can immunize everyone globally before it mutates, or doesn’t – cause it to mutate – via breakthrough cases. Natural immunity in combination with ongoing protection from vaccines has always been the natural outcome from this and every pandemic, ever. Denying this from the start was foolish.

#199 Elon Fanboy on 07.28.21 at 8:12 pm

Would be interesting to see forced vaccinations in practise…how would that work? Literally tying someone down so they can’t move and sticking them?

As an alternative I propose the anti-vaxers be charged the medical costs if they end up in hospital with Covid.

#200 ImGonnaBeSick on 07.28.21 at 8:17 pm

#158 Faron on 07.28.21 at 6:52 pm
#73 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 5:03 pm
#40 “NUTS!” on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

I’m feeling charitable so I’ll try to lead you down a helpful path, bro!

So, we have this thing called the delta variant. You may have heard of it? In case not, It’s a mutation that, by definition, comes from interaction with a host. Stronger? How’s about 1000 times the viral load? Twice as likely to hospitalize?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-19-delta-variant

Whether it is “likely” doesn’t matter when the probability of Delta existing in the world is 1.

Anything else you need help with? Hand sanitizer?

#77 Penny Henny on 07.28.21 at 5:07 pm

Faron, you off your meds again?

Oops, level 3.

But, I’ll respond: I take Diphenhydramine for certain aggravations I experience here. Seems to work for the common ragweed AKA pennius-hennius.

I’ll ask this out of curiosity though: if I did have any kind of mental health issue, why would it matter aside from your juvenile and unproductive stigmatizing? Are there mental health issues that are okay with you and others that are more bad? Can you please clear this up for us?

—–

You need some friends Foron… How about taking a break? We don’t need your input on every comment, and we don’t need you revving up to play the victim.

#201 Cheese on 07.28.21 at 8:18 pm

I would like to remind the anti-vaxxers, than mRNA technology has been under development for nearly thirty years.

It is simple serendipity that it was ready in time as this virus emerged.

mRNA is transcribed from nuclear DNA all the time, this is how you make proteins.

The vaccine cannot modify your DNA at all, it cannot enter the nucleus.

Go back to school and stop being pansies.

#202 NoOneOfConsequence on 07.28.21 at 8:20 pm

We should just physically force the vaccine on everyone. Stop screwing around, use the military and go door by door.

There is no viable reason to resist. 100% compliance.

Even if people have health reasons, that should NOT matter. They are a danger, and will always be a danger.

It’s probably best if we just inject everyone, let the chips fall where they may. If some die, oh well. Better that they die now than spread covid so both them and others die.

No exemptions, for any reason. If you are too old, health reasons, whatever too bad so sad.

We cannot risk it – no matter what.

This is for the greater good.

#203 Wrk.dover on 07.28.21 at 8:22 pm

Everything was peachy keen until….Y2K!

This millennium sucks!

#204 Rico on 07.28.21 at 8:23 pm

Wow, what happened here? We probably shouldn’t be surprised that the anti-vaxxers would rear their ugly heads on this blog.
We, the sane and not-so-vocal majority, stand with you Garth.
Mandatory vaccination or you stay home, losers – no restaurants, no shopping malls, no nightclubs, no concerts, no Leafs games. Federal Vaccination Passport for confirmation.

#205 batt519 on 07.28.21 at 8:26 pm

No more mocking the premier from the left coast as premier comrade.

People need to cut the cable.

It’s not a vaccine, even though they’re calling it one-it’s not approved. It’s not effective and its potentially dangerous.
Lessor products have 30-40 seconds of warnings in their television advertisements in the US.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download?fbclid=IwAR3wmcSW67w8XpZpMEl6MN_n4Kxa_FesFEuIPuENuPsxjQ2afBCeoP55qBg

I still say $ilver and Wiser’s are your best bet.

#206 NOTHING SURPRISES on 07.28.21 at 8:37 pm

As our society continues on, new pandemics will evolve and for the survival of the majority, vaccinations will be necessary and mandated.

The non-vaccinated will not be acceptable by society and precious and costly medical resources will not be given to the non-vaccinated and they will be left to fend for themselves.

People will cry about freedom and their rights. So they may and so be it. Society survival will be the over-riding factor.

#207 Wait There on 07.28.21 at 8:38 pm

Many virologists have issues with the vaccinations now.
Some say that vaccinating during a pandemic is going to end in tears.

Why? This vaccine STILL allows the vaccinated to become infected and this situation only allows potentially more problematic viruses to mutate that is more resistant to the vaccine.

Remember, the vaccinated are NOT protected from contracting the virus. The vaccine only aids in preventing the infection from getting to the point the vaccinated needs hospitalization. Meanwhile it is still multiplying inside the vaccinated and potentially a variant that is resistant can come out of this.

People NEED to understand what the role of these COVID vaccines really are. It does not STOP covid from infecting the vaccinated. That is the reason for the masks suggestion now. Because potentially hundreds of millions of people will be asymptomatically infected and could spread spread some really bad ones around. We simply cannot predict.

The mechanics of vaccination is to prevent after a pandemic has taken its course. We never let the pandemic take its course. We are trying to control mother nature. How many times have man succeeded in doing that?

#208 NoOneOfConsequence on 07.28.21 at 8:41 pm

How do we deal with the vaccinated people who still get covid? They have proven themselves to be a risk.

Somehow we need to deal the unsuccessfully vaccinated super-spreaders too.

#209 Jake on 07.28.21 at 8:45 pm

The numbers don’t lie, the vax works. The conspiracists and nutjobs have the right to avoid taking a jab and risk their lives but they don’t have the right to risk everyone else’s. Time to get tough.

#210 Billy Buoy on 07.28.21 at 8:47 pm

I ONLY got the vax as a service to those that haven’t came to the conclusion they WILL DIE one day, to give them more time to come to this conclusion.

Seriously….don’t want to die but COVID’s chance of dropping me is under .001%.

More afraid of dogs than covid.

Too many lightweights in this world..Grow up and face reality.

#211 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 8:49 pm

#152 Canadian Mom
This would be a terrible time to be an Infectious Diseases physician specialist who has undergone 10+ years of training, only you find out that the average Canadian Mom/Joe knows more than you in your very own medical speciality.
Your anecdotal numbers mean nothing. Everyone who had a nasty virus, which could have been anything, likes to assume they have already had COVID. Remember that we all used to get sick every winter before we were banned from everything and the majority of viruses stopped spreading as much.
Pregnancy is a high-risk condition for COVID. The third wave proved this to be true based on abnormally high pregnant ICU admissions and hospitalizations.. Ask anyone who has personally looked after a pregnant intubated person in ICU this year. It’s devastating. Pregnancy has always been high risk for respiratory viruses including the influenza, and therefore routine vaccination is recommended. Your friends will have to be extremely cautious (which will be difficult) during the rising numbers ahead.

#212 Trojan House on 07.28.21 at 8:50 pm

#196 All you couch epidemiologists on 07.28.21 at 8:09 pm

Actually most family doctors would only go by the literature put out by the public health agencies and the manufacturers. That is why we have a lot of people that go down the rabbit hole with adverse reactions and addictions with drugs. Take oxycontin for example. The doctors et al believed the hype and marketing and as a result, there were millions of addictions, etc, etc.

That is why I think it’s important to do your own research as well.

#213 Dave on 07.28.21 at 8:50 pm

#95 SunShowers on 07.28.21 at 5:21 pm

If your health is in good order (i.e. a good score on my very smart passport idea), you wouldn’t have any comorbidity associated to a poor COVID outcome. You would be less likely, with a robust immune system, to contract and thus transmit any respiratory virus. Furthermore, you’d be far less likely to require any medical attention for common chronic conditions that make up the bulk of demand on the health system.

#214 Scaron on 07.28.21 at 8:53 pm

#100 Dolce Vita on 07.28.21 at 5:25 pm
#67 Scaron

Dolce, buddy, how bout directing your venom at the original post #47 Dave. My reply to it is at the bottom.

#215 Trojan House on 07.28.21 at 8:54 pm

#205 NOTHING SURPRISES on 07.28.21 at 8:37 pm

I started reading from the bottom and I’m going to stop at this comment. Your argument is a straw man. Let’s extrapolate that to people who are obese from eating too much and people who smoke knowing full well the potential consequences. Why should my tax dollars have to go to providing health care to these imbeciles???!!!

Fortunately, that’s not the way the world works and it’s never as simple as you make it out to be.

#216 mike from mtl on 07.28.21 at 8:54 pm

#203 Rico on 07.28.21 at 8:23 pm
Wow, what happened here? We probably shouldn’t be surprised that the anti-vaxxers would rear their ugly heads on this blog.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Not anti-vax, for the record have mine, just anti creeping authoritarianism. Spending an extra 60 seconds at the airport is one thing, I draw the line at ‘show me your papers’ wanting to see a show or get a bite to eat – remember that?

If the vax works, you trust it then what exactly are you afraid of?

Mandates like that put the everyday biz in a weird spot like how to you enforce this? What about travellers (if they are ever allowed)? Do you equally trust the Cansino from China and Sputnik most used in the second/third-world? Really think that through. AZ is already a bastard child, tell that to those who “took what was first offered”.

#217 Shakabra on 07.28.21 at 8:55 pm

I agree with all of this 1000%

But in other news:

– Fed being hesitant in tapering.
– Biden spending $1T
– BOC listing utterly ridiculous low inflation numbers (food at 1.2%)

Low rates aren’t going anywhere. Everyone should be outraged at what a scam these Central Banks are running on the behest of governments (Global Debt to GDP ratio over 300%)

#218 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 8:55 pm

@#202 Wrk.dvr
“Everything was peachy keen until….Y2K!

This millennium sucks!”

+++
Stock up on coffee, beans and flour…..
Keep the Nova Scotia vegetable garden growing enough to keep you in potatos, turnips, onions and all the other stuff you can bottle or can….
Blueberries, strawberries, cherries to pick , wash and freeze.
Sight in that rifle and get ready for deer season.
And go catch some trout in the nearest stream.

Living like a king on a paupers pay.

#219 Billy Buoy on 07.28.21 at 8:57 pm

Worry about the greatest theft in history with CB printing to infinity.

Covid? It’s a temporary blip in history, CB printing impact will last generations…

Children.

#220 Enforcer on 07.28.21 at 8:58 pm

The fact that the pharma companies take no liability for the vaccines is excruciatingly concerning. Especially when mRNA has been around forever according to the smarties above. I don’t even thing the head of Pfizer has taken the shot yet.

Last I heard first nations children were enforced from their parents into residential schools with best intentions. This is a scenario 2.0 in the making if there ever was one. Talk about the pot calling the kettle. And when will Trudeau remove that first nations tat from his arm. Black face was an insult but the tat is not.

Pfizer CEO Dr. Albert Bourla is fully vaccinated. That conspiracy fiction was debunked months and months ago. Where the hell are you nuts getting your ‘facts’? – Garth

#221 Scott Hionchcliffe on 07.28.21 at 9:01 pm

“The opposite of courage isn’t cowardice; it’s conformity.”
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2019/08/06/conformity/

#222 Linda on 07.28.21 at 9:01 pm

#190 ‘Simple’ – you might want to change that moniker. To answer your question, as yet no vaccine has been approved for children under the age of 12. If & when a vaccine for those under age 12 is approved they should be provided that protection asap. Scientists are trying to figure out Covid as fast as they can, but at this point we’ve no idea what if any long term health effects Covid might have on children who contract it. Unfortunately there are quite a few cases of ‘long’ Covid in previously healthy adults.

About vaccine passports – people can complain all they want, but countries have always had the right to refuse entry to travelers. So if countries won’t let you in without proof of vaccination what are you going to do? Sneak in? Stomp your feet & throw a temper tantrum? All that will do is get you thrown out faster – or you might manage to annoy your putative hosts enough to receive a stay in their incarceration facilities until they can deport you. Good luck with that.

#223 Deano on 07.28.21 at 9:07 pm

Glad you said this Garth, you’re spot on.

#224 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 9:14 pm

Humans have a deep-seated, irrational need for a little guilt, a little fear, a little hope, self-righteous superiority, and a self-sacrificing solution to fend off impending DOOM.

Religion filled this need for the vast majority of our existence… but now? Now that there’s no longer a hellfire-raining vengeful god to appease? Oh, the lack of purpose!

Enter Covid, stage left. Perfect. So fulfilling.

Prudent investing concentrates on controlling staples, needs and desires. There is one product checking all those blocks during this the Covidium era: vax. Specifically MRNA vax.

Pfizer and Moderna are like the early days of Coke and Pepsi. Get on it.

#225 KLNR on 07.28.21 at 9:16 pm

couldn’t agree more Garth.
Some folks commenting on here need to get their heads outta their @sses asap lest they find themselves in the hospital or worse.

#226 Linda on 07.28.21 at 9:18 pm

#190 ‘Simple’ – you might want to change that moniker. To answer your question, as yet no vaccine has been approved for children under the age of 12. If & when a vaccine for those under age 12 is approved they should be provided that protection asap. Scientists are trying to figure out Covid as fast as they can, but at this point we’ve no idea what if any long term health effects Covid might have on children who contract it. Unfortunately there are quite a few cases of ‘long’ Covid in previously healthy adults.

As for the unvaccinated infecting the vaccinated, none of the vaccines to date have been found to be 100% effective. So yes, it is possible that someone who has been fully vaccinated can still contract Covid. Obviously if they contract Covid they can then infect others. However by choosing to be vaccinated they at least tried to protect themselves & others. Any lawsuit outcome would take that into account.

About vaccine passports – people can complain all they want, but countries have always had the right to refuse entry to travelers. So if countries won’t let you in without proof of vaccination what are you going to do? Sneak in? Stomp your feet & throw a temper tantrum? All that will do is get you thrown out faster – or you might manage to annoy your putative hosts enough to receive a stay in their incarceration facilities until they can deport you. Good luck with that.

#227 I'll make it simpler on 07.28.21 at 9:21 pm

#221 Linda I notice you are not answering any of my questions, so I’ll ask them again, maybe point form will get an answer or two:

1) Why are vaccines not approved for children? Could they have side effects?

2) Why are some people like you and Cici (definitely NOT me) who say vaccines work afraid of the unvaccinated?

3) why do you keep assuming I am not vaccinated? (I am fully vaccinated, and I trust that they work as have the many vaccines I have had in my life. I despise anti-vaxxers. I also despise people who force medical procedures on people who don’t want them)

4) Do you really think kicking down doors and setting the precedent of forced medical treatment makes sense in a country with extremely low Covid cases/hospitalizations/deaths while hundreds of millions of people in under-developed countries scream for vaccines that we have in excess?

5) Is it really true that every single person in Canada that wants a vaccine has them? We’re at the point where only those who are deliberately avoiding them have not? I’d like a fact check on that please.

#228 KLNR on 07.28.21 at 9:21 pm

@#206 Wait There on 07.28.21 at 8:38 pm
Many virologists have issues with the vaccinations now.

if you’re going to make this claim you should probably provide your source.

#229 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 9:23 pm

The virus is out of control in the Okanagan.
But do not fear, Dr. Bonnie is here ( again).
She slapping them with a mask mandate and indoor meetings restrictions.
Way to go.
We’re not yielding to cowards who are afread of a litle needle.

#230 Sheesh on 07.28.21 at 9:25 pm

#148 Lt. Commander Data on 07.28.21 at 6:36 pm

‘Oh, look: “95% of Quebec infections among non-fully-vaccinated”. – Garth
—-
I get error when squaring this with #23 Dolce Vita comment:

“Chief Medical Officer said 60% in hospital were 2 dose vaxd of about 4500 people in the whole of the UK.”
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Hey Data, I can clear that up for you. Dolce has been repeating that stat even though the CMO later said that he misspoke. 60% were UNVACCINATED.

Of course, 40% vaxxed hospitalizations ain’t great, but likely the vast majority of those weren’t fully vaccinated.

DOLCE. Update your info.

#231 Pass Port on 07.28.21 at 9:25 pm

Vaccine passports?

Hahaha.

“England, Scotland exclude Canadian travellers from new exception to quarantine measures”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-england-ends-quarantine-requirement-for-fully-vaccinated-travellers/

Like we want to go see our Queen right now, eh?

#232 Faron on 07.28.21 at 9:28 pm

#199 ImGonnaBeSick on 07.28.21 at 8:17 pm
#158 Faron on 07.28.21 at 6:52 pm
#73 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 5:03 pm
#40 “NUTS!” on 07.28.21 at 4:20 pm

Aw, crowdedelvatorfartz rebuffed my advances. I was hoping you and I could be pals? No? Shux.

#233 Doug in London on 07.28.21 at 9:28 pm

I’ve been following this story and see there are some organizations out there run by people who have a set of balls and do the right thing. The management of Google and Facebook say get vaccinated if you want to keep your job there. Closer to home, if you want to go to Seneca College in Toronto, get vaccinated or don’t bother showing up. Meanwhile in London, the management of Western University and Fanshawe College have it half right. If you want to stay in residence, get vaccinated and show proof or again, don’t bother showing up. If you want to get an education, or to get or keep a job, it should be mandatory to get vaccinated. What’s so hard about that?

#234 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 9:31 pm

6pm BC Global News

A story on personal finances.

“47% of BC debtors cant meet their obligations.”

“44% believe they will be in trouble if interest rates rise”

Glad I dont have any debt…
Should be some smokin deals in about 12 months.
:)

#235 When Will They Raise Rates? on 07.28.21 at 9:31 pm

#221 Linda on 07.28.21 at 9:01 pm

About vaccine passports – people can complain all they want, but countries have always had the right to refuse entry to travelers. So if countries won’t let you in without proof of vaccination what are you going to do? Sneak in? Stomp your feet & throw a temper tantrum? All that will do is get you thrown out faster – or you might manage to annoy your putative hosts enough to receive a stay in their incarceration facilities until they can deport you. Good luck with that.

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They’re not debating vaccine passports for international travel. This discussion is about vaccine passports to be used domestically, as in needing a vaccine passport to go to work, school, restaurants, gyms, movie theatres, etc…

#236 NSNG on 07.28.21 at 9:37 pm

#157 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.28.21 at 6:52 pm

The usual stooopit argument by the usual stooopit people.
A guy who breaks his leg skiing does not (in 99% of the cases) cause another skier’s broken leg.

But weren’t you guys saying it was about the medical costs to society when we got sick? You said you wanted to make us pay for that since we both agree it is only a small sliver of the population that will actually get sick or die from the virus.

So now it is no longer about the medical costs? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. I will expect you to pay for me on the off chance my vitamin D, C, and zinc don’t protect me. I’ll take the bed beside the ski bunny thank you very much.

#237 morrey on 07.28.21 at 9:40 pm

hey … #9 Jimmy Zhao
My body my choice.

Not if you live with the rest of us. – Garth

touche!

#238 Soviet Capitalist on 07.28.21 at 9:42 pm

It seems to me COVID is not an issue about the disease, but about the financial repression environment.
It has separated the society in 2: those who benefit from it and those who are on the other side of the stick. The latter are looking for an excuse to rock the boat. If voting Trump will do it, then they’d vote Trump. If not getting vaxxed will do it, they will stay unvaccinated.
The real solution is for the authorities to stop playing gods and let the market set the interest rates.
It is a tug of war.
The numbers are on the side of those benefiting from the current system, but the chinese and russians will be more than happy to support the other half. An internal fight in America will give them a window of opportunity to take Taiwan and Ukraine respectively (maybe more).
Garth, are you looking to start the fight?

#239 Cici on 07.28.21 at 9:43 pm

#190 Simple Mind

Here are the simple answers to your simple questions:

Why are you trying to force vaccinations on people who don’t want it, while children who want it remain unvaxed?

Linda already provided a very comprehensive answer to this one for you.

If an unvaxed person infects a vaxed person, doesn’t that mean the vax doesn’t work?

No, not at all. As Dolce Vita has already mentioned many times, the vaxxed can still get sick or infected, but have protection through antibodies so are unlikely to fall gravely ill, unlike their ungreat unvaxxed counterparts, who are vulnerable to serious illness, infection and death from COVID.

In which case a vaxed person could infect another vaxed person. So, lawsuits and jail in that case too I guess?

Nope. Transmission is dramatically reduced among the vaccinated, and the viral loads are lower. Vaccination is the path to herd immunity:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-crucial-vaccine-benefit-were-not-talking-about-enough1/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808#:~:text=Herd%20immunity%20also%20can%20be,causing%20illness%20or%20resulting%20complications.

“Vaccines
Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.

Herd immunity makes it possible to protect the population from a disease, including those who can’t be vaccinated, such as newborns or those who have compromised immune systems.”

#240 april on 07.28.21 at 9:44 pm

#25 – you’re seriously misinformed.

#241 George S on 07.28.21 at 9:45 pm

Funny how everyone thinks they are a an epidemiologist, virologist and infectious disease expert with multiple high level degrees in vaccine development, genetics, molecular biology and biochemistry.
I lived in a rural area when I was a kid. There was a shorter school bus than normal that would come and pick up some of the kids who weren’t very good at school and take them to a different school so they could learn life skills and how to deal with things that they were incapable of understanding. Presumably they learned to trust experts like Fauci and Theresa Tam, people who have devoted their lives to doing their best to protect people’s lives from pandemics just like the C19 pandemic.

They must have stopped doing that, everyone thinks they know better.

Now that social media has taken the place of the special schools half of the population seems to be taking the advice of any old imbecile on social media, regardless of qualifications.

So they are suffering to death from an easily preventable disease because they are stupid. And they are infecting others because they are stupid. And the list goes on and the reason is the same. All because they are stupid.

#242 Cdn Mom on 07.28.21 at 9:52 pm

#210 Father’s Daughter on 07.28.21 at 8:49 pm
#152 Canadian Mom
“This would be a terrible time to be an Infectious Diseases physician specialist who has undergone 10+ years of training, only you find out that the average Canadian Mom/Joe knows more than you in your very own medical speciality.
Your anecdotal numbers mean nothing. Everyone who had a nasty virus, which could have been anything, likes to assume they have already had COVID. Remember that we all used to get sick every winter before we were banned from everything and the majority of viruses stopped spreading as much.”
………..

Well, hun, my NP wanted me tested, but it was March 2020, so she could only get me a test if I’d travelled internationally. They eventually gave me a test…two weeks after symptoms began…cuz I had so much difficulty breathing I called the hospital. Doctor that did test told me it was ok, I was past the worst of it. Negative by that time, but I was still required to isolate for a further week. So…NP thought I had it, testing doc thought I had it, and public health thought I had it. I’ll let them, know you say they were wrong.

Brother had his test a week later, he was worse than me, DID have to go to ER for meds. He also tested negative, he was also about 2 wks in at testing. He also was required to isolate afterwards because they were sure he had it.

Thanks for letting us all know we didn’t have it, such a relief!

#243 NSNG on 07.28.21 at 9:56 pm

#223 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 9:14 pm

Humans have a deep-seated, irrational need for a little guilt, a little fear, a little hope, self-righteous superiority, and a self-sacrificing solution to fend off impending DOOM.

Religion filled this need for the vast majority of our existence… but now? Now that there’s no longer a hellfire-raining vengeful god to appease? Oh, the lack of purpose!

Enter Covid, stage left. Perfect. So fulfilling.

It is the love child of cancel cult-ure.

I call it #Neopuratinism.

#244 NSNG on 07.28.21 at 9:57 pm

*#Neopuritanism

That’s better

#245 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.28.21 at 10:01 pm

Totally off subject.
Anyone notice ALL the Canadian Olympic athletes AREN’T
wearing those ridiculous “skater dude” uniforms that the Canadian Olympic committee rolled out with great fanfare a few months back?
On the podium, interviews, arriving back in Canuck-duh…. in the traditional red and maple leaf uniform.

‘Skater Dude” uniform…a total bust.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-uniform-2021-tokyo-olympics

#246 All you couch epidemiologists on 07.28.21 at 10:02 pm

#211 Trojan House on 07.28.21 at 8:50 pm
#196 All you couch epidemiologists on 07.28.21 at 8:09 pm

Actually most family doctors would only go by the literature put out by the public health agencies and the manufacturers. That is why we have a lot of people that go down the rabbit hole with adverse reactions and addictions with drugs. Take oxycontin for example. The doctors et al believed the hype and marketing and as a result, there were millions of addictions, etc, etc.

That is why I think it’s important to do your own research as well.

————

The vast majority of the population has zero knowledge or experience in virology, immunology, and epidemiology. People don’t know what they are reading or how to differentiate fact from fiction, risk vs benefit, complete and true statistics vs misleading numbers based on incorrect inputs and equations.

Pain killers, opium, and addiction is a very different beast and not in any way comparable to the situation we currently all find ourselves in together.

#247 Mr. Clean on 07.28.21 at 10:07 pm

Garth,

I think this one is a palate cleanser.

After this one could we have a vax-free August on this blog and in the comment section perhaps?

#248 Dolce math is hard on 07.28.21 at 10:07 pm

#229 Sheesh on 07.28.21 at 9:25 pm
#148 Lt. Commander Data on 07.28.21 at 6:36 pm

‘Oh, look: “95% of Quebec infections among non-fully-vaccinated”. – Garth
—-
I get error when squaring this with #23 Dolce Vita comment:

“Chief Medical Officer said 60% in hospital were 2 dose vaxd of about 4500 people in the whole of the UK.”
—————————

Hey Data, I can clear that up for you. Dolce has been repeating that stat even though the CMO later said that he misspoke. 60% were UNVACCINATED.

Of course, 40% vaxxed hospitalizations ain’t great, but likely the vast majority of those weren’t fully vaccinated.

DOLCE. Update your info.


Dolce math strikes again…. dudette needs to lay off the vino

#249 april on 07.28.21 at 10:13 pm

#31 – Your entitled to your opinion

#250 Odif Yltsaeb on 07.28.21 at 10:20 pm

Garth,

As much as I would love to see everyone getting vaccinated, a mandate will not work in Canada. People love their personal freedom way too much, and it would be political suicide if anyone tried to go with such approach.

It’s been shown that dialogue based approaches can make a difference. Friends, family members, family doctors, can reach out to the unvaxxed, and hopefully break them free of the misinformation bubble they got themselves in.

It’s quite depressing that some countries don’t have enough vaccines for everyone, and Canada / US we do, but people are actively refusing it. Shows our current educational system need to instill a bit more of critical thinking and basic science on our students. Hopefully the future generations will be able to make better choices.

#251 TurnerNation on 07.28.21 at 10:28 pm

250th? Don’t kid yourself. The global “Health Passport”is not being developed over a One and done or even two shot process. I asset that the global state owns now our bodies.

Dateline 2025. “Hesitancy around the 15th Covid jab? Experts say this is normal”

“Your friends are only 10x jabbed. How do you nudge them forward? 5 tips inside”

#252 Father's Daughter on 07.28.21 at 10:34 pm

#241 Cdn Mom on 07.28.21 at 9:52 pm
Well, hun, my NP wanted me tested, but it was March 2020, so she could only get me a test if I’d travelled internationally. They eventually gave me a test…two weeks after symptoms began…cuz I had so much difficulty breathing I called the hospital. Doctor that did test told me it was ok, I was past the worst of it. Negative by that time, but I was still required to isolate for a further week. So…NP thought I had it, testing doc thought I had it, and public health thought I had it. I’ll let them, know you say they were wrong.

Brother had his test a week later, he was worse than me, DID have to go to ER for meds. He also tested negative, he was also about 2 wks in at testing. He also was required to isolate afterwards because they were sure he had it.

Thanks for letting us all know we didn’t have it, such a relief!
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Your patronizing response, filled again with your anecdotal story that nobody cares about/is not relevant to science, kind of proves that you’re not as smart as you think you are (or as the Infectious Disease doctors/other doctors and scientists directly involved in COVID response)
Very little was known about COVID in March 2020. The virus was brand new, especially in Canada. Science and data evolves. This is the time when everyone thinks/thought/might have had COVID. Your health care team, at the time, knew significantly less than we do today. I hope that they are following the current guidelines, that suggest people who have not have confirmed cases of COVID get vaccinated. Actually, it is recommended for everyone, even with previous confirmed infection. Otherwise, you should consider getting a new health care team as I would be reluctant to be treated by anyone who does not follow National/International guidelines.
Have fun getting turned away from travel/amenities/activities because you and your health care contacts are pretty sure (but don’t actually know) that you had the virus. Also, why would it be a relief to know that you didn’t have it, if you had it and are fine? That would make you highly susceptible to getting it, and possibly getting sick since you refuse the vaccine..

Garth, I’m sure it’s been annoying to read through this mess of comments tonight. Thankfully, as you mentioned, our national vaccination rate is actually impressive and we are in good shape all things considered. The loudest aren’t the majority.

#253 Father's Daughter on 07.28.21 at 10:36 pm

#241 Cdn Mom on 07.28.21 at 9:52 pm
Well, hun, my NP wanted me tested, but it was March 2020, so she could only get me a test if I’d travelled internationally. They eventually gave me a test…two weeks after symptoms began…cuz I had so much difficulty breathing I called the hospital. Doctor that did test told me it was ok, I was past the worst of it. Negative by that time, but I was still required to isolate for a further week. So…NP thought I had it, testing doc thought I had it, and public health thought I had it. I’ll let them, know you say they were wrong.

Brother had his test a week later, he was worse than me, DID have to go to ER for meds. He also tested negative, he was also about 2 wks in at testing. He also was required to isolate afterwards because they were sure he had it.

Thanks for letting us all know we didn’t have it, such a relief!
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Your patronizing response, filled again with your anecdotal story that nobody cares about/is not relevant to science, kind of proves that you’re not as smart as you think you are (or as the Infectious Disease doctors/other doctors directly involved in COVID response)
Very little was known about COVID in March 2020. The virus was brand new, especially in Canada. This is when everyone thinks/thought/might have had COVID. Your health care team, at the time, knew significantly less than we do today. I hope that they are following the current guidelines, that suggest people who have not have confirmed cases of COVID get vaccinated. Otherwise, you should consider getting a new health care team.
Have fun getting turned away from travel/amenities/activities because you and your variety of doctors/NPs are pretty sure (but don’t actually know) that you had the virus. Also why would it be a relief to know that you didn’t have it, if you had it and are fine? That would make you highly susceptible to getting it, and possibly getting sick since you refuse the vaccine..

Garth I’m sure it’s been incredibly to read through this mess of comments tonight. Thankfully, as you mentioned, our national vaccination rate is actually impressive and we are in good shape all things considered. The loudest aren’t the majority.

#254 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 10:37 pm

Yeah! Be good little sheeple and get vaxxed and in 3+/- years guys like me will inherit the country. The PC crowd will be made extinct one jab at a time and the unvaxxed won’t have to lift a finger. Just stay loose, unvaxxed and don’t listen to the government or media and their fans for…
The compliance with the big lie will kill…

#255 Madchild on 07.28.21 at 10:43 pm

The ironic part is that there is confirmed data that those who have caught covid become more dumb.

So, the dumb asses who have not been vaccinated are about to become more dumb once they catch covid and play for keeping the virus alive.

Now, Canada may be doing okay against the US, but the Okanagan isn’t.

Apparently the dumbest people on the planet congregate in the Okanagan where the Delta variant burning like the wild fires out of control.

And now there is another mask mandate just for the Okanagan.

This coincides with summer travel even though area is full of smoke but again, dumb people don’t think to far out to realize the risks around and are showing up in droves, while multiple businesses are shutting down everyday due to local staff getting sick from covid.

Also, it is proven that covid transmits more effectively in smoke as the virus can latch on to smoke particulate. This was already proven in Spain and Italy last year.

The BC gov. jumped the gun. How about reopening once people actually are fully vaccinated.

Another costly error. Covid 2 – BC Gov. 0

And let’s be real. Vaccination requirements are necessary when you have a world with Facebook misinformation.

#256 Lee on 07.28.21 at 10:52 pm

It’s (hopefully) not so dismal for the gen zed’er and millennials in BC. I’m 35 and booked both my 1st and 2nd shots the second I received the email invite, and still, if I hadn’t gone into Van to get mine last week (I’m in a rural area) I wouldn’t be getting mine until tomorrow. So I think those low numbers are (probably) not indicative of hesitancy. Which is one of the reasons I found BC dropping the mask mandate July 1st so vexing.

#257 ZZ Top on 07.28.21 at 10:57 pm

A moment of silence.

…because you know I gotsta get paid.

#258 Km on 07.28.21 at 11:05 pm

Amen

#259 Habitt on 07.28.21 at 11:05 pm

Thank you Garth for your patience with the nutters. Have to admit i haven’t laughed so hard in awhile.

#260 Shepherd on 07.28.21 at 11:11 pm

#253 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 10:37 pm
Yeah! Be good little sheeple and get vaxxed and in 3+/- years guys like me will inherit the country. The PC crowd will be made extinct one jab at a time and the unvaxxed won’t have to lift a finger. Just stay loose, unvaxxed and don’t listen to the government or media and their fans for…
The compliance with the big lie will kill…

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Lol. You are going to be one disappointed lil cowboy when the vaccinated peeps are just fine and you realize that it is you who is a sheep. Baaaah

#261 From Age on 07.28.21 at 11:15 pm

#200 Cheese

I would like to remind the anti-vaxxers, than mRNA technology has been under development for nearly thirty years.

Reading about those lipids mRNA is packaged into is quite something. Some trials on animals had 80% mortality rate! Companies as recently as few years ago gave up on mRNA because the trials they were doing were so unpredictable on side effects and outright dangerous that they didn’t see a future in it and pulled the chute and gave up.

Lets hope progress is made with these, because the promise is there. But clearly the quality and load of these lipids is a real issue and poses the threat that is still quite experimental. How many doses will prove to be an issue? This is yet to be determined.

#262 West New West on 07.28.21 at 11:16 pm

Do not take the vaccine and you and everyone you come into contact with is minimally at risk from Covid.

Take the vaccine and you and everyone you come into contact with is still minimally at risk from Covid, but also at unknown risk from the possibly serious side effects of an experimental gene therapy drug.

Therefore, reduce your health risks by not taking the shot until the long term health risks of this experimental gene therapy are fully known.

Thalidomide was originally marketed in 1957. It was marketed over the counter and was assumed to be safe for pregnancy. It was not until 4 years later in 1961 when birth defects and 40% death rate at birth were found to be linked to this drug.

It takes time to complete full safety testing. This testing has not been completed for this gene therapy drug prior to rollout…and that is why only conditional approval has been granted and drug companies are being held harmless. At this time, when you get the vaccine, you are part of that research.

#263 kodok on 07.28.21 at 11:34 pm

I’ve been vaccinated twice, and would encourage anyone to do the same, but I do not see why we need to leave the path of ‘informed consent’. The precedent is not one that we should be setting.

#264 truefacts on 07.28.21 at 11:40 pm

This from the CDC…

“…VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Admittedly, these deaths were from millions of vaccines administered, but YOU WANT TO FORCE PEOPLE to take that risk?

If you trust the vaccine, take it and get on with life.

Garth, you’re sounding more like that guy who kept telling you to “GO HOME” when you were walking your dog at the beginning of the government lockdowns.

#265 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 11:42 pm

I know many who are unvaxxed and they are all alive and well including me. When I hear people trying to scape goat and brow beat people like me I am hearing genocidal mass murderers who want me to roll up my sleeve and get holocausted just to be like folks. I have no time for such people and their criminal stupidity born of their invincible stupidity and ignorance. They are worse than lemmings following the crowd over the cliff. The penalty for getting the MRNA jab is clogged up blood vessels, strokes, heart attacks, prion disease, sterility, autoimmune problems and death. All self inflicted and administered ,created and promoted by the powers that be and their allies. You will all find out soon enough. By the way there is no antidote to the gene therapy bioweapon. To the unvaxxed take your vitamin C and D3 and stay at a safe distance from the vaxxed as they are now a GMO biohazard.

#266 ImGonnaBeSick on 07.28.21 at 11:48 pm

Let me start off by saying that my wife and I are fully vaccinated and have been since we were eligible (she a bit before me since she’s in healthcare), and my wife, my kids and I have had every vaccine made available to us before now too.

I am not anti-vax, but I don’t like the idea of mandatory vaccinations, vaxers vs anti-vaxer rhetoric, or vaccine passports. Regardless, vaccine passports will almost definitely come. (Really we already have them for kids to attend school).

I respect Mr. T immensely and appreciate all his advice and wisdom and very rarely would I disagree with him. But I have to disagree here, and the reason why is with my employees’ benefits, I am not allowed to know what medications they are on, I’m not even allowed to know how many chiropractic visits or massages they’ve had. I am not allowed to let an employee go based on health conditions. So somewhere along the way, the powers that be decided people’s health was personal, confidential and needed to remain that way.

There is vaccine hesitancy because governments, media, big pharma have lost the trust of many people. Take the AZ debacle for example. After stealing all those COVAX doses and pushing the vaccine onto as many people as possible, only to receive 3m doses of Pfizer 2 weeks later all the while staying mum about those doses coming, later all those poor AZ people find out that vaccine mixing isn’t being recognized by many countries. I don’t blame anyone for being wary of anything they’re being told over the past 16 months.

Another example; if you look at Peel (which was one of the driving forces of Ontario’s long lockdown), 111,841 cases, 827 dead. Tragic, for sure, I guess more tragic than the 862 killed in car accidents in Peel in 2018… Now some will argue, “it would have been way worse without the lockdowns!!” and they’re likely correct, but 111,841 cases is still a huge sample size, and 827 deaths (average age 82) gives us that less than 1% mortality… this leads to vaccine hesitancy as well. https://www.peelregion.ca/coronavirus/case-status/

#267 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 11:58 pm

THOSE THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF THESE INTERNATIONAL LAWS ARE SUBJECT TO THE DEATH PENALTY
https://www.bitchute.com/video/48SvCuIuCY23/
https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/dr-byram-bridle-on-point-with-alex-pierson

https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/05/30/wuhan-virus-vaccines-travel-throughout-the-body-does-not-stay-in-arm-muscle-new-research-serious-repercussions-likely/

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/top-immunologist-and-pro-vaccine-doctor-byram-bidle-issues-warning-the-spike-protein-in-covid-vaccine-

#268 Nonplused on 07.29.21 at 12:04 am

#195 Entrepreneur on 07.28.21 at 8:06 pm

“Picture Voter ID Card to make elections fair and safe.”

We already have voter ID requirements in Canada. Not only that, it is hard to vote at a polling station that is not the one you are not assigned to. And once you vote, they cross your name off the list.

#269 pete from st. cesaire on 07.29.21 at 12:12 am

You may have noticed over the past year that you don’t see me on here often, that’s largely because when you made the statement that “those who won’t take the vaccine are our enemy” (a less Canadian thing seldom ever heard said, it is pointing fingers at an ‘identifiable group’ after all) I started devoting all of my time, across many social media sites and other platforms, to allowing the people to see the dangers of vaccines, both historically and now, as well as to point out all of the ridiculous inconsistencies in the official story of the pandemic.
For the last 30 years I have had it drilled into me that it’s “My body, My choice” and so it will be. And my choice is NO.

#270 Jon B on 07.29.21 at 12:36 am

I don’t believe the vaccines contain microchips. But I do believe government seeks to one day assume full control of our lives. A fear mongering media and government rescue programs that lead to financial dependency on the state is a great way to start this process.

#271 Punch Biopsy on 07.29.21 at 12:39 am

Mr. Turner, are you confused about what the vaccine does and does not?

What it DOES NOT is prevent people from getting infected with COVID and then carrying enough viral load to infect others.

All the vaccines are designed to do is make your reaction to the pathogen less unpredictable. So whether you get jabbed or not matters not, because one way or another, EVERY person will have to get infected, just like everyone gets a cold every years.

Start dealing with it.

#272 TurnerNation on 07.29.21 at 12:42 am

IMO the economic and social lockdowns are planned till 2025. Where’d I get that idea? The IMF.

http://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/993371585947965984/pdf/World-COVID-19-Strategic-Preparedness-and-Response-Project.pdf

Country(ies)
World

Project Name
COVID-19 Strategic Preparedness and Response Program (SPRP)

Expected Project Approval
Date
02-Apr-2020

Expected Project Closing
Date
31-Mar-2025

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Latest science:

The FDA Extends The Expiration Date On Johnson & Johnson’s COVID Vaccine To 6 Months (npr.org)

— Back to normal any time soon! 2 weeks to flatten the curve Remember the goal is a GLOBAL travel/movement pass in the Blockchain.
All about control over our travel/movements. Small, regional steps – else people will riot.
Papers please Comrade. Bats and Wet Markets did this?

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/authorities-begin-demanding-proof-of-vaccination/
“Authorities in at least two states have announced that people will be required to show proof of vaccination against Covid-19 or a negative test result to enter public places such as restaurants, bars and shopping centers.
Mazatlán Mayor Luis Guillermo Benítez Torres said citizens must carry their vaccination certificates with them when they are in all public places’

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1275012
“CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others. Based on that finding, Walensky said the CDC is also recommending that all school children wear masks in the fall.”

#273 Sincerely Disappointed on 07.29.21 at 12:42 am

“Selfish or cowardly”?

What about those 30 and under who are at an infinitesimally small risk of hospitalization (forget about death) and have carefully thought about the risk vs reward of having an experimental vaccine run through their body? These vaccines have been approved for emergency use with absolutely no long term safety data. There are good reasons why these things normally require years of clinical trials.

If you’re older and at high risk of serious covid symptoms then yes, I understand the head shaking but cmawn where has the nuance gone? This was a sad blog post to read.

#274 Dogbert on 07.29.21 at 1:15 am

Garth – what you wrote today takes guts.

No pandering, no apologizing, no looking at both sides. You held firm to common sense against the tide of misinformation and lack of self-awarness that has been overtaking souls behind the personas of the internet.

Thank you.

#275 DON on 07.29.21 at 1:57 am

#207 NoOneOfConsequence on 07.28.21 at 8:41 pm
How do we deal with the vaccinated people who still get covid? They have proven themselves to be a risk.

Somehow we need to deal the unsuccessfully vaccinated super-spreaders too.

***********
Easy peasy

Two options:

1) Make them walk into the light

or

2) Contract vaccinations out to the mob.

Badda prick or badda boom. Capisci

#276 DON on 07.29.21 at 1:59 am

Thanks Ponzi

#277 paulo on 07.29.21 at 2:23 am

Great Article and apparently mega lightning rod. oh well sometimes you have to stir the steerage section, tends to bring out the real interesting ones. #3 of the official list of Dip S%$ts of the apocalypse is the “Anti-Vaxxer.” On This one the science is pretty strait forward: Conclusion Get the Jab, do your part to put this bug to pasture, Lest you fancy the idea of a 4th stage lockdown in winter 2022

#278 Joking Right? on 07.29.21 at 2:29 am

The fact that the media have whipped people up into such a frenzy that otherwise sane people actually think that holding down an individual against their will and injecting them with an experimental substance is not only a good idea, but absolutely must be done, is incredible.

I remember when the media started focusing on incoming flights from China during the last wave and everyone was getting super worked up. Then they stopped writing about it and everyone forgot the flights were still coming, just as frequently.

These vaccines have had less safety testing done on them than a Ford Focus (2 years for automotive testing).

Think about that.

The long term benefits and effects are only becoming known over time. Turns out they wear off much quicker than they thought (Fauci even said there were raised eyebrows). The data coming out of Israel should be enough for you to have just an ounce of humility that you might be wrong.

Each subsequent booster shot will have worse side effects. Even the most ardent vaxxer will notice it.

I am seriously worried for the future of this country and the world. Garth, what you are advocating for and promoting will lead to a country where you will not want to live.

If principals such as bodily autonomy go out of the window, god help us. And don’t give me the ‘it’s for others’ crap. They are vaxed and protected. A handful cannot and they will shield like they had to before for the flu.

Grow up, and recognize what values and principles distinguish our country from tin-pot dictatorships. And please do not advocate for demolishing those principles.

#279 Jane24 on 07.29.21 at 2:41 am

Here in Britain we are well into the 4th wave but numbers have been down for the last week as with 87% herd immunity the virus is running out of victims to infect. But here is the difference in thinking. In Britain we accept that covid will always be with us and the govt has already declared that covid boosters will be delivered every Fall with the annual flu boosters. We understand that covid has permanently changed how the world operates.

In Canada you still seem to think that Covid is a one-off virus that will be totally defeated and life and offices will return to the 2019 norm. 2019 will never return. You are fooling yourselves fellow Canadians. You have to adapt to the new norm. France is making the same mistake due to their anti-vax population and Australia and New Zealand originally were going to hide till this was over but now realise that one can’t. It will never be over. Covid has to be dealt with on a continual basis.

Canada is now in the eye of the storm due to the vaccinated USA being your neighbour. It is going to be a tough winter for you. I have been waiting now 14 months to pick up my mother’s ashes for burial in Britain. She died in her Ontario nursing home from Covid. Looks like I may get a chance to perform this duty next year.

#280 Jane24 on 07.29.21 at 2:43 am

Sorry meant unvaccinated USA. Typing this with only one arm due to an argument with a street curb.

#281 Rumpelstiltskin on 07.29.21 at 2:59 am

Garth – I’ve read you for years. Stick with economic advice. You are very learned in that subject and we all appreciate your wisdom in it.

But as far as Covid and these “Vaccines” I suggest you not comment. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but your ignorance on the subject is obvious. (aka your rant doesn’t mention important details of PCR testing issues, natural recovery/immunity, vaccine expiry, real # weightings as per risk profiles, profile recovery rates, vaccine irrelevance for transmission, etc etc)

“A little Learning is a dang’rous Thing”

#282 calgaryPhantom on 07.29.21 at 3:47 am

Only priests, mullahs and rabbis can convince anti-vax folks to get jabbed.

#283 James on 07.29.21 at 4:37 am

Commentary like this is why I will not get the vaccine, and why I will also circumvent, lie, forge, whatever it takes to continue about my days as per usual unvaccinated. I will not take any medical procedure that has this unprecedented level of coercion. It’s great to be in solidarity with those who aren’t taking the vaccine; their reasons to not take it is none of our business. Garth is the selfish one here, as the pro vaccine people can go and double,triple, quadruple inject themselves if they like and want to be super safe.

Would Garth be willing to get his hands dirty? If you want mandatory vaccines, go ahead and be the one who tries to force them into peoples bodies. Come try it it on me, Garth, and I assure you that you will come to a swift end.

Seriously Garth, you’re pathetic.

#284 LeeChallenged on 07.29.21 at 5:20 am

#26 mike from mtl:

“Have to disagree there, the vax is for yourself and nowhere proven does it prevent infection or transmission.”

Wrong. Latest studies from Israel show 81% reduction in infections in people vaxxed with Pfizer/Biontech. Among the vaccinated who do get infected, the risk of infecting other household members is reduced by 78%.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z

Multiplying these numbers means that if you’re vaxxed with Pfizer/Biontech, your effective risk of infecting other household members is reduced by 96% compared to unvaccinated people (1.0 – (0.19 * 0.22)).

Of course, if you vaccinate millions of people, there ARE going to be some people who get infected anyway, and there ARE going to be some vaccinated people who infect others. But overall, the vaccine is highly effective in preventing the spread of covid.

Stating anything else is spreading misinformation, plain and simple.

#285 ConcernedCit on 07.29.21 at 6:17 am

I typically really enjoy your position on posts Garth. However I think you’ve fallen into some categorization faults. As a few people have touched on above there are actually 3 categories of people who should be considered “Vaccinated”. People who got the vaccine, people who have prior infection (anti-bodies), and people who use prophylactic ivermectin (A rich body of evidence has now emerged in the form of a META-ANALYSIS the goal standard of clinical research proving its efficacy at both treatment and prevention of covid. If the goal really is heard immunity then these other factors should be considered as viable solutions. Lets not go down the road of authoritarianism when other solutions are quite viable.

#286 Steve french on 07.29.21 at 6:20 am

Yawn..
250 comments and a lot of them are incoherent ramblings.

Anti vaccers are really boring.

#287 Wrk.dover on 07.29.21 at 7:47 am

#278 Jane24 on 07.29.21 at 2:41 am

I have been waiting now 14 months to pick up my mother’s ashes for burial in Britain
___________________________

You going to buy a first class seat for the urn?

#288 the Jaguar on 07.29.21 at 7:50 am

@#273 Dogbert on 07.29.21 at 1:15 am
Garth – what you wrote today takes guts.
__________

It’s not just what he wrote. It’s also that he is letting some reveal themselves and their anti vax sentiments. Some are polite, others are not. Some even threatening. It’s window on mankind and the issue at hand.

#289 Steven Rowlandson on 07.29.21 at 7:56 am

#259 It will be sad to read your confession on this blog that I was right. I am right because I listen to doctors, researchers and scientists and you and your fellow travelers listen to politicians and media personalities who serve the globalist oligarchy and their agenda.
Then again you might never understand the truth before you die because you like to be like folks or if you like sheeple. The way of salvation is a narrow difficult path and few seek it or find it. The highway to hell is popular, wide and easy. Most people like to travel on that road to their doom.

#290 Phylis on 07.29.21 at 8:08 am

#223 Sail Away on 07.28.21 at 9:14 pm
Humans have a deep-seated, irrational need for a little guilt, a little fear, a little hope, self-righteous superiority, and a self-sacrificing solution to fend off impending DOOM.

Religion filled this need for the vast majority of our existence… but now? Now that there’s no longer a hellfire-raining vengeful god to appease? Oh, the lack of purpose!

Enter Covid, stage left. Perfect. So fulfilling.

Prudent investing concentrates on controlling staples, needs and desires. There is one product checking all those blocks during this the Covidium era: vax. Specifically MRNA vax.

Pfizer and Moderna are like the early days of Coke and Pepsi. Get on it.
Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Was wondering where the increase in mental health issues (pre-covid)stemmed from. Air pollution? (Lead was quite the problem in the past) Water? Climate change? Hmmmm, less religion, more anxiety?

#291 Prince Polo on 07.29.21 at 8:09 am

In late May, a parliamentary motion put forward by the Bloc Québécois passed by an overwhelming majority of 327 to one. The question? “In the opinion of the House, holding an election during a pandemic would be irresponsible.”

Among the chorus of yeas was every member of the Liberal caucus who voted, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

And yet, two months later, the PM and his advisers are gaming out when in the next few weeks he should call on the Governor-General to ask her to send the country into an election.

Is the pandemic over? No – and the government knows that better than anyone. Do the other parties in this minority Parliament want an election? No – which is why the government hasn’t been defeated in a confidence vote. Are Canadians demanding an election? No, no, no.

But the Liberals are preparing to trigger one nonetheless. There is no pressing reason of national interest or public policy that demands an election, less than two years into the Liberal government’s mandate. The only real reason is the fact that they are ahead in the polls. Now looks like a good time to bid for turning a minority into a majority. That’s it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-canadians-need-a-lot-of-things-a-fall-federal-election-isnt-one-of/

#292 DC on 07.29.21 at 8:14 am

Commentary like this is why I will not get the vaccine, and why I will also circumvent, lie, forge, whatever it takes to continue about my days as per usual unvaccinated. I will not take any medical procedure that has this unprecedented level of coercion. It’s great to be in solidarity with those who aren’t taking the vaccine; their reasons to not take it is none of our business. Garth is the selfish one here, as the pro vaccine people can go and double,triple, quadruple inject themselves if they like and want to be super safe.

Would Garth be willing to get his hands dirty? If you want mandatory vaccines, go ahead and be the one who tries to force them into peoples bodies. Come try it it on me, Garth, and I assure you that you will come to a swift end.

Seriously Garth, you’re pathetic.

…………….

Oh dear.

#293 Steven Rowlandson on 07.29.21 at 8:14 am

#281
“Only priests, mullahs and rabbis can convince anti-vax folks to get jabbed.”

That is not the case. It takes guts and brains to believe the truth and resist all social and legal pressure to get killed via an inoculation.
The pro vax clergy will be seen as being as foolish or devilish as the rest of the genocidal vaccine pushers.

#294 the Jaguar on 07.29.21 at 8:16 am

Excerpts from the morning papers…………..
“Alphabet Inc.’s Google is delaying its office return date and will require workers coming back to be vaccinated, citing concerns about the surge in infections of COVID-19 variants. The technology giant will now ask most employees to return to campuses starting Oct. 18, Chief Executive Officer Sundar Pichai told his staff on Wednesday.”

“U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce Thursday that federal workers will be required to prove they’ve been vaccinated against COVID-19 or submit to frequent coronavirus testing and other mitigation steps, according to a person familiar with the matter.”

#295 Dina on 07.29.21 at 8:19 am

Jane24, you don’t get it. There is no more countries. There is no more UK. You are a global slave now and get used to being told what to eat, how much, what vaccines, medications you will have to take, where and how long you can be somewhere etc. Pretty soon everyone will have to be controlled by some chip, device etc. Every here of transhumanism.

It is not science fiction anymore, you will have no more free thoughts but a world where the global elites, powerful tell you to jump and you will say how high. Enjoy your new normal. You all thought it will just happen in the movies. It is called predicted programming.

#296 James on 07.29.21 at 8:21 am

I know you mean well, but your information is not complete.

I can understand the stats you provide, but you must dig deeper on what’s being reported, not reported and how it is categorized to get the full picture.

Other comments like #7, #88, #155 and #284 are correct (these are just a few).

Canada is great, Garth. You and I both agree on this. Blaming one group (the unvaccinated) is the not the way forward – Open information and the ability for open discussion when new information arises is. This is what leads to better outcomes and alternatives.

#297 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 8:24 am

@#272 sincerely disappointed
“carefully thought about the risk vs reward of having an experimental vaccine run through their body?

++++

A billion vaccinated people and you anti vaxx’ers are still ranting about “experimental vaccines”

My god.
I now understand how Trump was elected and may , yet again be re-elected…..

#298 KLNR on 07.29.21 at 8:25 am

@#264 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 11:42 pm
I know many who are unvaxxed and they are all alive and well including me.

for now.

#299 Austrian Economist on 07.29.21 at 8:39 am

While I am vaxxed because I believe it is the socially responsible thing to do, you seem to be ignorant of what governments are capable of when they start requiring certain things in order to participate in society. It starts with identifying those whom you want persecuted (ie. vax passport, health certificate, whatever you want to call it)… and throughout history we know it never stops at just identification and registration…
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany
What’s next Garth? Internment camps for the un-vaxxed? You say make it mandatory, what are the consequences for not doing so? Do you understand the magnitude of what you are demanding?

#300 Steven Rowlandson on 07.29.21 at 8:43 am

#283 the spread of covid is not the real issue.
The issue is getting a needle in every arm and making your cells produce billions and trillions of microscopic toxic spike proteins to clog up your circulatory system giving you stroke and heart attack producing blood clots, sterility, prion diseases and auto immune disorders leading to your demise by what will appear to be natural causes. Do you want to find out the hard way?
Due to massive increases in population, debt and security risk to the elites world wide; costs and risks have to be abated therefore depopulation via demoralization and vaccination is being implemented.
The unvaxxed are not intended to remain unvaxxed hence this genocidal drive to put a needle in every arm. This agenda is satanic and criminal and therefore must be resisted.
“Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the outcome of 100 battles.” Sun Tsu

#301 mark on 07.29.21 at 8:44 am

Clearly out of touch with reality.
Millions don’t want to get vaxed or even go back to work, look at the unemployment rate.
One big big shit hole.

#302 Delta Ver. 4.9 on 07.29.21 at 8:47 am

Delta is soooo old by coronavirus standards.

You think it didn’t mutate already?

We’re like 6 months behind this thing!

3 month late learning about mutations and then politicians another 3 months late telling us about them.

This thing already mutated probably thrice since Delta. Delta Force is soooo 80s.

#303 KLNR on 07.29.21 at 8:51 am

For all those who choose not to get the vax.
Prepare to be a recluse.

#304 IHCTD9 on 07.29.21 at 8:57 am

Good grief! When did Covid become such a lightning rod? I think the comments section needs a time out!

The internet may be the doom of humanity yet.

Except for me of course – I’ll be safely behind thick bunker walls.

#305 Victor Maitland on 07.29.21 at 9:04 am

#288 Steve Rowlandson: It will be sad to read your confession on this blog that I was right. I am right because I listen to doctors (of chiropractic), (anonymous) researchers (on the Internet) and (citizen) scientists.

*Necessary edits in parentheses.

#306 Vegamite on 07.29.21 at 9:09 am

Hey, what about those Australians?

They were the strictest on the planet, were they not?

Island continent, restrictions up the wazoo, and what?

Did Covid find a way in regardless?

This Nature vs. Humanity, Covid vs. Nations battle is like Canada vs. Kuwait in a good ol’ hockey game.

Let’s call it like it is, we haven’t scored any goal, while Covid us running up the score, putting in 2nd, 3rd, 4th line. And there are more behind it.

#307 SunShowers on 07.29.21 at 9:10 am

#264 Steven Rowlandson on 07.28.21 at 11:42 pm
I know many who are unvaxxed and they are all alive and well

And most people who drive drunk don’t get into car accidents and kills themselves and/or others, so therefore driving drunk must be safe, right?

#308 Victor Maitland on 07.29.21 at 9:20 am

It is amazing how those who can’t get over their needle phobia feel the need to comment online about what tough alpha males they are. The logical path would be to grow a spine and face your irrational fear of needles, instead of letting your natural fight or flight instinct get the better of you, and pounding your irrational fears into your keyboard.

I know I know. “You wouldn’t say that to my face!” No, I wouldn’t. A frightened animal is a dangerous animal.

#309 Dharma Bum on 07.29.21 at 9:34 am

Vaccinations must be mandatory.

Proof of vaccination should be required in order to:

Shop
Work
Use public transportation
Board aircraft
Cross the border
Get a passport
Get a drivers licence
Renew vehicle plate tags
Eat in restaurants
Purchase firearms
Go to bars
Take a train
Enter sports venues
Enter concert venues
Get married
Attend weddings
Buy a house
Buy a car
Get a haircut
Get your nails done
Swim in a public pool
Go to the beach
Play sports
Attend school
Vote
Ride an elevator
Enter a hospital
Rent a car
See a physician
Travel anywhere
Renew a healthcard
Live

Get vaxed or get out!

#310 Dharma Bum on 07.29.21 at 9:48 am

#268 Pete from St. Cesaire

You may have noticed over the past year that you don’t see me on here often.
————————————————————————————

Nope.

Hadn’t noticed.

Nobody cares.

#311 SunShowers on 07.29.21 at 9:49 am

#263 truefacts on 07.28.21 at 11:40 pm

VAERS is completely self-reported, and reports are not screened or verified by any medical professional whatsoever.

In fact, here is an EXHAUSTIVE list of information required to make a VAERS report:

Birth date
Gender
Date of vaccination
What your side effects were
Date the side effects started

You don’t even need to know WHAT vaccine you received. This is not a reliable source of medical information. People literally trawl through VAERS reports and find obvious gag entries like “the covid vaccine made me go bald, and made my genitals swell to 10 times their normal size” to make memes.

#312 Mike Holt on 07.29.21 at 10:00 am

Cowardice is pushing untested, unapproved, experimental substances for a treatable disease with 99.9 percent survival rate on unsuspecting populace including pregnant women & kids + blaming the ones who resist taking it for all the mishaps and punishing them.

#313 Doug in London on 07.29.21 at 10:03 am

@Dharma Bum, post #309:
Agreed, fully. It’s good to see there’s some basic common sense here in the steerage section.

#314 Cheess on 07.29.21 at 10:03 am

For the Ivermectin fools, the main study that showed benefit in the meta analysis was shown to use fake data and a word filtered intro, when removed from the analysis ivermectin shows no benefit.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658

To those antivaxxers too cowardly to take a vax, post your address, I’ll bring the needles. :)

#315 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 10:07 am

@#306 Vegemite Sandwich
“Hey, what about those Australians?”

+++

Austarlia locked down its borders …tight.

Their Covid rate was very low because of that….so….peole slacked off and the vaccine rate was very low.
10% of the pop.
Then, with the economy suffering and businesses screaming at the politicians, they started opening up borders and …boom, fast spreading Delta and a low vax rate….

Have a look at Indonesia for a low vax rate/ high infection rate ( the mullahs telling the faithful that the Vaccine was a western conspiracy to “sterilize” them, same thing in Iran….)
Indonesia with 270 million people crammed on islands ….with low vax rates….. and they’re dropping like flies.

I’m vaxxed and not sick.
Go ahead. Roll the dice.

#316 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 10:11 am

@#300 Steve Rowlandson
“The unvaxxed are not intended to remain unvaxxed hence this genocidal drive to put a needle in every arm. This agenda is satanic and criminal and therefore must be resisted.”

++++

Apparently the unvaccinated are now boastful about their paranoid delusions.

Or you were able to get the keys to Nurse Ratchit’s office and log in……..

#317 Sail Away on 07.29.21 at 10:25 am

#311 SunShowers on 07.29.21 at 9:49 am

People literally trawl through VAERS reports and find obvious gag entries like “the covid vaccine made me go bald, and made my genitals swell to 10 times their normal size” to make memes.

———-

That was me. It’s made bike riding difficult.

#318 FriedEggs on 07.29.21 at 10:29 am

Its come full circle – its now all the unvaccinated fault for this problem.

Open season this fall, no limit on catch. good stuff.

“If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite.”-W. Blake

#319 Bill Bixby on 07.29.21 at 10:29 am

Thanks for showing your totalitarian cards.

I’d rather be forced to take your financial advice then have a forced medical intervention.

There’s more than enough information for a congent human to see that viri are not contagious and every element of this psyOp are based on this big lie.

I hope you are a paid influencer, otherwise I’ve lost all respect for your judgement.

#320 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 10:38 am

And if we want to talk about govt conspiracies .

How about the “reduced” death rate?
Judging from yearly average historical death rates world wide and the “Covid” death rates vs the jump in “total death” rates….

India’s covid death rate might be 10 times what they have reported( 4,000,000 vs 400,000) if reported death rates are any indication as well as surveys conducted.
The Indian govt has arrested journalists for “treason” for reporting anything other than the official version.

The US might have also under reported covid death rates in 2020 and early 2021 to reduce panic as they waited for vaccines.

When things have calmed down and historians get to dig through the reams of info… we might be shocked at how bad this really is.

But the deniers will dream up more excuses to justify the unjustifiable…. if they’re not already ….dead.

#321 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 10:44 am

@#319 Bill Bixby
“Thanks for showing your totalitarian cards.”
+++

Totalitarian… for being a vaccine recipient that believes its your civic duty not to spread infection….

Didnt you die 30+ years ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bixby

Doesnt matter.

Your alter ego Lou Ferrigno still looks amazing for his age ( almost 70).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Ferrigno

P.S.
Lou’s smarter than you…..

#322 For all the wanabe Nazis on 07.29.21 at 10:50 am

Vaccinations must be mandatory.

Proof of vaccination should be required in order to:

Shop
Work
Use public transportation
Board aircraft
Cross the border
Get a passport
Get a drivers licence
Renew vehicle plate tags
Eat in restaurants
Purchase firearms
Go to bars
Take a train
Enter sports venues
Enter concert venues
Get married
Attend weddings
Buy a house
Buy a car
Get a haircut
Get your nails done
Swim in a public pool
Go to the beach
Play sports
Attend school
Vote
Ride an elevator
Enter a hospital
Rent a car
See a physician
Travel anywhere
Renew a healthcard
Live

Get vaxed or get out!

@DHARMA BUM

And I would add not ONLY for COVID that has the same mortality as EBOLA, but u need a pass for multiple vaccines with checkmarks, TB, COLD, FLU, MUMPS, MEASLES, SMALLPOX

I like many others from the Iron Courtain are vaccinated against smallpox and TB, locals aren’t unless u were born in the 40s. Please remain in your quarters…

Seriously now, it’s people like u that overall give Canada a low IQ..LOOOL

#323 Doug t on 07.29.21 at 10:53 am

#309 dharma dum

Lol that was funny

#324 Ponzius Pilatus on 07.29.21 at 10:53 am

309 Dharma Bum on 07.29.21 at 9:34 am
Vaccinations must be mandatory.

Proof of vaccination should be required in order to:
——————
Forgot the most important one:
Posting on The Greater Fool Blog.

#325 My name is Sweden on 07.29.21 at 10:56 am

Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine
@CebmOxford
: “Excess Mortality across Countries in 2020”

6% Canada
Lockdowns, mask mandates, school/business closures

1.5% Sweden
Focused protection, no lockdowns, no mask mandates, no business/school closures

LOCKDOWNS WORK…

#326 Doug t on 07.29.21 at 10:57 am

#243 nsng

Spot on

#327 Paul on 07.29.21 at 11:00 am

Garth, I agree that everyone should get a vax but it should never be mandated. As soon as we allow the government or business to mandate what we jab into our body, it opens up a pandora box that should never be opened. We need to convince people to get shots, not force them.

How far away do you think it would be for the CEO of Pfizer or Moderna to politically buy politicians to ensure they force flu or any other vaccines? I can just hear it now:”Citizens are dying every day due to the flu because you refuse to take a vaccine”.

#328 jess on 07.29.21 at 11:04 am

From nice nudging -save lives to the carrots -lotteries and now the STICK

It’s good business. Johnny Taylor, Jr, of the Society of Human Resource Management, says most employees want vaccine mandates. They want to know their workplace is safe when people return. His polling shows nearly 70% of employees want their colleagues to be vaccinated. And patience has worn thin with the vaccine-hesitant.
“You must be vaccinated if you want to come to work,” he tells me. “There are some organizations that are trying one more step before that. They’re saying, if you choose not to be vaccinated, then you will have to be tested several times during the week on your own dime. And you will have to wear a mask in the workplace and not any mask, but that N95 surgical mask. I mean, we are going to, at the end of the day, make this a little uncomfortable for you because you’re making it uncomfortable and the workplace less comfortable for your colleagues.”

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#329 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 11:12 am

I saw this on the internet.
Its about a Brazilian man who refused to get vaccinated.
It must be true.
I swear.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/lifestyle/meet-the-completely-tattooed-brazilian-who-removed-his-nose-added-horns-and-reshaped-his-ears-to-resemble-an-orc-1.5523696

#330 FriedEggs on 07.29.21 at 11:20 am

Along with the flu, colds and mumps.

I dont want to get STDs and hepatitis, etc…either. ANY form of communicable diseases.

So then, i wish to demand that ALL Canadian citizens show proof on all forms of protection of communicable diseases and Gov guidance on how to isolate those individuals from further spread. Its for health and safety.

#331 ImGonnaBeSick on 07.29.21 at 11:22 am

#309 Dharma Bum on 07.29.21 at 9:34 am

You’re sick man… look at these fascists, terrified, making the call to send the unclean out of society… For the greater good I guess?

Why don’t we just have them dig their own holes Dharma? I expected this type of talk from our resident fascist sympathizers aka Foron, Sara, and Ponzius…

Take a moment, and really think about the slope you’re sliding down and why you believe this is a good thing. Anyone promoting this type of idea should be ashamed of themselves.

And before you write me off as an anti-vax, I’m vaccinated bub, but I would never force something like this on someone else.

#332 Chris Walker on 07.29.21 at 11:24 am

Postings like this one make me extremely grateful that Garth and his ilk are not in power at this time.

#333 Sheesh on 07.29.21 at 11:25 am

#285 ConcernedCit on 07.29.21 at 6:17 am
“……. and people who use prophylactic ivermectin (A rich body of evidence has now emerged in the form of a META-ANALYSIS the goal standard of clinical research proving its efficacy at both treatment and prevention of covid……..”

A meta-analysis of low quality studies is meaningless.

———————-

Steve Rowlandson, do you ever question that the ‘truth’ you believe in is based on easily verifiable falsehoods? You should, because it is.

#334 Faron on 07.29.21 at 11:43 am

On current state of CBs QE:

https://northmantrader.com/2021/07/29/game-over-5/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

#335 NEVER GIVE UP on 07.29.21 at 11:47 am

There are Thousands of Laws designed to protect the public.

You are not Free to do harm to your fellow citizens.
You must wear a seatbelt, You must drive within the speed limit.

You Cannot dump Chemicals in the River. You can’t even build an offensive Fence around your yard that is too high or too ugly.

It is fully reasonable to have a Vaccine Passport and let those who are Simple Minded Lose their Freedom to fly or go to a bar, instead of those who are willing to do what it takes to keep their neighbors safe.

The longer we wait to Vaccinate all or at least 90% the more Freedoms we all lose.

I’ve been confronted with a Vaccine decision in the past when We were asked to approve the Meningitis Vaccine for our children. There was a lot of Parents worried because some Kids get sick from the Vaccine. The fact was The Vaccine saves countless more lives than it takes.

Anyone who has a knowledge of Oddsmaking, Anyone who plays Poker would know that you should always go when the odds are in your favor. So I approved it with Trust in our Medical Services to be right.

You don’t go to the baker for financial advice. You do go to the doctors and scientists for Health advice. They are wrong sometimes but they are right much more often.

#336 John on 07.29.21 at 11:49 am

Garth gets it. Now is the time for everyone to ask themselves, who is the greater fool?

#337 Sheesh on 07.29.21 at 11:50 am

#322 For all the wanabe Nazis on 07.29.21 at 10:50 am
“I like many others from the Iron Courtain are vaccinated against smallpox and TB, locals aren’t unless u were born in the 40s. Please remain in your quarters”

—————————————

M’kay. I was born in ‘70 and received the small pox vaccine. Since small pox is no longer circulating, the vaccine is no longer required. The TB vaccine is used only in countries where there is a high risk of contracting TB.

Kinda runs contrary to the anti-vaxer trope that unnecessary vaccines are being pushed on us because “big pharma blah blah blah”

#338 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 11:51 am

@#332 Street Walker
“Postings like this one make me extremely grateful that Garth and his ilk are not in power at this time.”

+++

Dont kid yourself.
Trudeau would implement mandatory vaccines in a heartbeat if the medical experts told him to do it.

A 21st century version of the War Measures Act.

#339 kommykim on 07.29.21 at 11:54 am

RE: #300 Steven Rowlandson on 07.29.21 at 8:43 am
Due to massive increases in population, debt and security risk to the elites world wide; costs and risks have to be abated therefore depopulation via demoralization and vaccination is being implemented.
The unvaxxed are not intended to remain unvaxxed hence this genocidal drive to put a needle in every arm. This agenda is satanic and criminal and therefore must be resisted.

=======================================

You need to do your research. What’s really at play here is that Bill Gates has put microchips in the vaccine. This will allow him to turn the vaxxed into his private zombie army at the push of a button. Once they reach 70% jabbed, he will order the vaxxed to cull all the antivaxxers. Canada at 70% jabbed is already lost. So the safest thing to do now would be to join the vaxxed and be on the winning side. Q says it’s the only way to survive.

(FYI, I don’t actually believe this but maybe it’ll convince some of these Canadian antivaxxers to get the shot or at least “flee” to the USA)

#340 Macduff on 07.29.21 at 11:59 am

People who propagate conspiracy theories, deny science and insist on spreading misinformation have been shown to be narcissistic and generally of low intelligence. Social media gives everyone an equal voice and instead of these people realizing their shortcomings, they trumpet these messages even louder.

#341 Damifino on 07.29.21 at 12:00 pm

#332 Chris Walker

Postings like this one make me extremely grateful that Garth and his ilk are not in power at this time.
——————————-

Strange… it had exactly the opposite effect on me.

#342 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 12:04 pm

@#339 Kommy Kal

“You need to do your research. What’s really at play here is that Bill Gates has put microchips in the vaccine. This will allow him to turn the vaxxed into his private zombie army at the push of a button. Once they reach 70% jabbed, he will order the vaxxed to cull all the antivaxxers.”

++++

Errr.
Is Hollywood missing a scriptwriter?
Or are you off your meds?

#343 Dogman01 on 07.29.21 at 12:05 pm

I am responsible for myself.
Other citizens are responsible for themselves.

The State is not responsible for me.

Let’s get over this now, time to normalize. Emergency is over. We need to realize we have to live with this damm virus. I for one am not fine with giving up my freedoms or being told by the state how to live my life.
If you want to wear a mask…wear one. If you want to get or not get double vaxxed be informed and make your choice. None of my business.

If the state wants foreigners to be double vaxxed before entry it is fine, but they don’t have the authority to impose it on a citizen of their own country. (Citizen not subject)

If I knew the consequence of Socialized medicine would impose so many restrictions by the state to “Protect the Healthcare system” I would choose to scrape it.

Like I live in some Alien Society were the cowards have abandoned the rights of being a citizen.

#344 Matt on 07.29.21 at 12:05 pm

So what? They don’t get seriously sick, go to hospital or die. Get vaxed. – Garth

The same is true for most healthy young people as well. You shouldn’t have to get a vaccine (which is experimental, and doesn’t work as well as you think) unless you’re older or are in at risk group.

#345 Shortymac on 07.29.21 at 12:09 pm

My roommate and I had covid in December, it was hell and it was not “just a cold”. When I was sick I could barely empty my dishwasher without having to lie down and I was a mild case.

My roommate has premanent lung damage and was out of work for 4 months. I’m still suffering from chronic fatigue issues from the infection that come and go.

Get vaccininated, this disease is not a joke.

#346 yvr_lurker on 07.29.21 at 12:15 pm

My sense is that there should be a more nuanced approach and outlook. I would not get agitated that the Gov’t is going to set a sweeping policy that mandates that all its citizens must take the vaccine. The vast majority (including me) would be completely opposed and there would be zero compliance. It just ain’t going to happen, and for those who look for a conspiracy under every rock when it comes to the Gov’t you can just chill and put your weapons down.

However, in other instances in order for people to get on with key aspects of their lives (i.e. earn a living in a crowded office, go to University while living in a dorm, work in a hospital setting or care home) it does not seem unreasonable to me that citizens who are involved are required by the company/University/hospital to be full vaxed.

However, in the long term (i.e. 1–2 years) when the Gov’t and other entities (airlines, major employers, etc…) realize that Covid is here to stay (and has morphed into many different forms) with an increasing number of breakthrough cases, I can’t see at all how a vaccine passport is going to be the gold standard. People will get Covid with/without the passport and we will all need to learn to live with it, but hopefully the severity of the disease will have decreased by then.
So although airlines and non-essentials (sporting events, cruises), will likely initially require a vaccine passport to participate, I can’t see how this will be effective in the long term as Covid morphs into (hopefully) a more chronic form.

For such an unprecedented 100 year event, one might have expected that most citizens would simply trust the science and just get the jab. Although fully jabbed, I do admit that I was not willing to go with Astrozeneca, and waited until I had an opportunity for an RNA vaccine (which I trusted more).

#347 Diamond Dog on 07.29.21 at 12:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXV7i1yxu6c&t=898s

The link above produces a chart of testing on vaccine efficacy with Delta, chart is seen around the 15 minute mark to save time. What we see is that with Pfizer, Israel testing (of which Pfizer is their go to for vaccines) after 2 shots of Pfizer was 64% effective. With Oxford, 60% after 2 doses. I haven’t looked into the size and demographics of these studies but if these numbers flesh out, approximately 1/3rd of fully vaccinated will still be infected and spread Delta.

This doesn’t account for vaccine “fade” as the efficacy of vaccines will wear off in time. I’ve talked about it in the past, but efficacy will be good for 2 flu seasons but degrade by 20 to 30% by the second season.

The good news is the dramatic reduction in hospitalizations, even as efficacy is reduced over time. So, in terms of economics and slowing down mutations, vaccines are still a winner but vaccines do have limitations and Delta is pushing those limitations as Delta is more contagious due to an increase in replications over time meaning higher viral loads of infection.

What does this mean? Covid19 used to have what is pronounced as an R naught:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

… of 2.5. Delta has an R naught of 3.5 to 4.0, right up there with highly infectious airborne virus’s. What has Republicans finally freaked out somewhat, is that likely some government officials briefed high ranking members of their party that even though we have high vaccination rates Z(in the 50’s among adults) to coincide with high natural antibodies existing in the gen pop (20% back in May according to the Red Cross), the fact that efficacy limiting infection works only on 2/rd’s of the population with Delta coupled with Delta’s higher “R naught” means that the thresh hold of herd immunity has gone way up (80% or more) and most of the remaining unvaccinated will likely catch Covid19.

We don’t know yet how dangerous Delta is since initial viral loads of infection are much lower in summer than winter. What we do know, is that winter is coming and this is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated. I still look to Scott Gottlieb for his spin on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2TqAmd1D8s

Scott mentions a peak in U.S. numbers 2 to 3 weeks from now. I’m thinking it’s 6 weeks away leading us into mid September, potentially longer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbeJZ9W4CRk

I wish I had more time to expand on the economy… GDP at 6.5% or an economy that is now larger than it was in 2019 (but not keeping up with inflation), real GDP vs nominal, global threat of Delta vs domestic (north american) etc., but I’m out of time!

As for mandatory vax… this poll is telling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ttE1z2FwU

Maybe the U.S. has to learn the hard way, as it has with politics but logic says, especially considering mandatory vax programs in the past, they work. The one thing to consider though, is the mindset of openness to vaccines in the future. Sometimes we have to learn the hard way, that’s the risk of free will. What we do know is that vaccines have their limits. They will wear off over time meaning it’s like a flu shot having an expiry date and as such, everyone needs to be on the same page of expectation. The vast gen pop needs to be open to taking vaccines on a regular basis with Covid19. is mandatory necessary? For immediate results, yes but over time, probably not as the unvaccinated learn the hard way.

Would a more advanced civilization quickly mobilize toward routine vaccines in the future? Definitely. But considering the levels of propaganda out there and how politicized vaccines have become, one can hardly say we live in an advanced civilization, at least in the U.S.A. which is telling, as the U.S. is still thee #1 global empire at least, for the time being.

#348 Joe Goebbels on 07.29.21 at 12:32 pm

Wow I had no idea there were so many Nazis lurking in Canada!

#349 Big Bucks on 07.29.21 at 12:54 pm

Of course people should smarten up and take the shot but there is no way that any government in the free world is going to make it mandatory.Ain’t happening and it would be pretty damn frightening if we ever end up going down that road.Just think about the ultra stubborn that will never get the shot no matter how much abuse thrown at them.What do we do hold them down?Just frightening to even think of such a scenario.

#350 Big Bucks on 07.29.21 at 12:58 pm

People will argue that this is different and it should be mandatory and at the same time tell you it’s never different this time.Make up your mind—if you have one.

#351 Sheesh on 07.29.21 at 1:09 pm

155 Doc on 07.28.21 at 6:48 pm

So much misinformation in one post, doc.

“Allow this topic to be publicly debated to help inform the public.” ——- > The average layperson does not have the background knowledge or education to discern good science from misleading pseudoscience (as evidenced by your entire post).

“Even the CDC says that the PCR test can’t differentiate between Covid, the common cold or the flu and its use will be ended by year end”. —-> The cdc says no such thing. The pcr test is very specific for sars-cov-2. They are implementing a test that can determine if other viruses are also present, so that one test is run on a sample, rather than 2 or more. Efficiency.

“How about publication of all the vaccine ingredients for a start”. ———> How about read the product monograph?

“Education not coercion is the way forward.” ———> I agree the public needs to be educated on how to discern science from pseudoscience.

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#352 bguy1 on 07.29.21 at 1:11 pm

I think this blog’s comments section needs an enema

#353 DON on 07.29.21 at 1:13 pm

#217 Shakabra on 07.28.21 at 8:55 pm
I agree with all of this 1000%

But in other news:

– Fed being hesitant in tapering.
– Biden spending $1T
– BOC listing utterly ridiculous low inflation numbers (food at 1.2%)

Low rates aren’t going anywhere. Everyone should be outraged at what a scam these Central Banks are running on the behest of governments (Global Debt to GDP ratio over 300%

*************

Went to buy my favorite orange juice and it was on sale…for the normal regular price.

#354 SOS on 07.29.21 at 1:18 pm

Maybe next time we won’t put all our eggs in one basket.

#355 JR on 07.29.21 at 1:20 pm

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-exercise-cut-death-third-b930812.html

“Regular exercise reduces Covid death risk by more than third, study finds”

Garth would you be willing to go on record of making exercise for all the obese people mandatory? It cut’s deaths by a third. Or do you believe in freedom and peoples right to be a couch potatoe?

#356 Planetgoofy on 07.29.21 at 1:22 pm

I just read this art:
• Over 25% of new Covid-19 cases in LA are fully vaccinated people.
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/over-25-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-los-angeles-county-are-fully-vaccinated-people

So 74% of all cases are among the unvaccinated. From the article: “When fully vaccinated people get infected with the coronavirus, it’s known as a “breakthrough” case. A small number of such cases are expected and health officials say they’re not a cause for alarm. COVID-19 vaccines work by teaching the body to recognize the virus. So if someone is exposed to it after vaccination, their immune system should be ready to spring into action and fight it. Doctors say that If someone does end up getting sick despite vaccination, experts say the shots are good at reducing the severity of the illness — the main reason to get vaccinated.” – Garth

#357 Steven Rowlandson on 07.29.21 at 1:24 pm

Joe Goebbels if you think the Nazis advocate giving everyone the needle you are mistaken. In the modern world it is the anti Nazis that are trying to give everyone the needle and then they put out a line of nonsense that the Nazis did it as a cover story to shift the blame.
Nazi government and WW2 ended in 1945 get used to it. They are no longer calling the shots but their enemies most certainly are. Find the truth and judge wisely.

#358 truefacts on 07.29.21 at 1:24 pm

“…VAERS is completely self-reported”
– Sunshowers
_________________________________________

So 6,340 “self-reported” their deaths – amazing!! LOL!

#359 Billy Buoy on 07.29.21 at 1:32 pm

Vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson are currently being administered in the United States under emergency use authorization (EUA), meaning that vaccine manufacturers aren’t held liable for any injury, including death, that their COVID-19 vaccine may cause.

ZERO LIABILITY….Interesting…ZERO….

It’s coming to “take it or else?” BUT no one is liable.

Does that inspire confidence?

#360 Planetgoofy on 07.29.21 at 1:38 pm

The never ending pandemic. YUP.
And it is experimental no matter how many peeps get plugged. Because so called experts are still arguing over data and reviewing the results.
There sure as hell is no black and white here. Get the shot and all is well….not really. Maybe we need another and another and another in time?

#361 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 1:42 pm

@#348 Mr Global
“Wow I had no idea there were so many Nazis lurking in Canada!”

+++

Yep, Just wear a Hawaiian shirt and Maga hat at the border, tell them you were on holidays……. and walk right in….

#362 enthalpy on 07.29.21 at 1:43 pm

except no one is immune even after being fully vaxxed.

So while our rates are decent…and we will get there.

There is no way this will be made mandatory.

#363 kommykim on 07.29.21 at 1:44 pm

RE: #342 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 12:04 pm
Errr.
Is Hollywood missing a scriptwriter?

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In the sequel, biohackers manage to take back control from Bill Gates by gaining control of HAARP, the 5G networks, and redirecting the chemtrail squadrons to spread the antidote.

The 3rd installment of the trilogy will feature a final battle between Q, Bill Gates, and Soros after they to return to Earth from their hidden Moon base. The future of Freedumb hangs in the balance. It will be epic and make billions.

#364 Linda on 07.29.21 at 1:45 pm

#227 ‘I’ll’ – First, I for one have never said that you have not been vaccinated. As for a vaccine not yet having been approved for children, obviously trials have to take place to ensure the safety for those whose physiques are still developing, as what may be safe for a fully grown adult may have a detrimental effect on a child. Would you give a child an adult dose of medication? Why not? Could it be because the child would be adversely affected? Also, it is already known that the vaccines approved for Covid have side effects. A quick internet search will bring up a list of the known side effects (thus far) for any of the Covid vaccines. I’d suggest using a medical website for your search like Health Canada, or the CDC (Centre for Disease Control).

As for being ‘afraid’ of the unvaccinated, I’m simply being pragmatic. While I believe my vaccinations have provided protection from Covid, the fact remains that none of the approved vaccines have a 100% efficacy. Also, the virus is mutating. The ‘Delta’ variant is much more infectious & I think taking precautions like continuing to wear a mask in crowded public spaces, washing hands etc. makes sense until the percentage of the vaccinated increases substantially.

As for ‘kicking down doors’, get a grip. As previously stated, mandatory applies to those who have no medical reason to not be vaccinated. As for giving vaccines to other countries, once our citizens have been protected I’ve no doubt aid will be provided if it hasn’t already been done. Finally, the ‘everyone who wants a vaccine has one’ fact check. Not my job to provide any such ‘fact check’ to you. It is not a provable statement, unless you personally ask every single Canadian eligible for a vaccine whether they want one & whether they are still waiting to receive one. If you want to know the percentage of the vaccinated, such data is available online. Obviously you have access to a computer, so look it up if you want to know where we are at.

#365 Boom Town Rat on 07.29.21 at 1:55 pm

#69 Chalkie on 07.28.21 at 4:59 pm

Biden needs to swallow his pride and ask Trump to stand before the Cameras and ask his followers to go and get vaccinated

If you honestly think the Orange Narcissist would agree to do that you’re either incredibly gullible or you have not been paying attention. SERIOUSLY!

#366 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.29.21 at 2:01 pm

@#363 Kommy Kal

“It will be epic and make billions.”
++++++++
Awesome.
You’ve got talent ( not as much imagination as some of the anti vax conspiracy theorists but talent all the same).

Can Nicholas Tesla make a guest appearance?
He’s actually still alive in the space time continuum

#367 Steerage Science on 07.29.21 at 2:05 pm

All major US universities will require vaccination this fall… in Canada.. Seneca college is the only one… it’s as if our universities don’t believe in science… stunning.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/canadas-universities-and-colleges-are-failing-science/

The developer of mRNA ones will get a Nobel prize for that work…

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/health/coronavirus-mrna-kariko.html

#368 Sail Away on 07.29.21 at 2:11 pm

Well, to add a small wrinkle to the discussion, gun and ammo sales in the US have been off the charts since Covid began and are accelerating again.

OLN has increased 350% since June 2020. Fantastic investment!

#369 Joe Goebbels on 07.29.21 at 2:26 pm

@357 Steven Rowlandson:

Orange is the new black, baby! (or brown if you prefer)

#370 Blacksheep on 07.29.21 at 2:29 pm

Drama:

A composition in verse or prose intended to portray life or character or to tell a story usually involving conflicts and emotions through action and dialogue and typically designed for theatrical performance.

Remember, ‘Life is a Temporary Experience.’

No one gets out alive…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-pcdtQ9So

#371 SunShowers on 07.29.21 at 2:30 pm

#358 truefacts on 07.29.21 at 1:24 pm
“So 6,340 “self-reported” their deaths – amazing!! LOL!”

I, myself, could file a VAERS report claiming YOU died as the result of a vaccination, despite me knowing nothing about you, other than the fact that you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.

That is how trustworthy VAERS is.

#372 Barb on 07.29.21 at 2:35 pm

#123
“OMG…I don’t even know where to start when I see people like u become useful tools of the machine….

I don’t think I can argue with you on this subject as YOU DON’T HAVE THE INTELECTUAL DEPTH
to understand BIOETHICS.

STICK TO FIN ADVICE AND LEAVE THIS SUBJECT TO MATURE AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE!!

I DON’T CARE ABOUT YR CRAP CENSORSHIP, THE FACT THAT U READ THIS IS ENOUGH

I THINK I AM GOING TO COMPLAIN TO GUIBEAULT as your blog is mentally abusive..loool”

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Nice example of dignity and respect.
Go away…forever.

#373 Prince Polo on 07.29.21 at 2:39 pm

#283 James on 07.29.21 at 4:37 am
blah blah blah….

Seriously Garth, you’re pathetic.

Seriously James – you’re doubly or triply pathetic. At a minimum.

#374 Sail Away on 07.29.21 at 2:42 pm

#363 kommykim on 07.29.21 at 1:44 pm

The 3rd installment of the trilogy will feature a final battle between Q, Bill Gates, and Soros after they to return to Earth from their hidden Moon base.

———

It should go without saying, but their base is obviously on the back side of the Moon disc so:

1. they won’t fall off
2. it’s out of sight, and
3. they don’t get blinded by the stage lighting

#375 Hurtin' Albertan on 07.29.21 at 2:54 pm

Has it not been drilled into us over the last year that test, trace, isolate, mask, distance, vaccinate are the key measures to win against COVID?

Yesterday, Alberta waved the white flag and is basically giving up on all of these measures except offering vaccination (vaccine lotteries with million dollar giveaways and still some are hesitant…what will it take? a free truck with proof of vaccination?)

As of August 16, those who test positive for COVID will no longer have to isolate. Contact tracers are being laid off. COVID testing will be scaled back. No more mask mandates. No more capacity or gathering limits. No protections for those under 12 who cannot yet be vaccinated. This is a recipe for disaster.

The 4th wave is already here. Delta infections are growing exponentially in Calgary and will spread through the unvaccinated to the rest of Alberta and beyond.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-covid-requirements-1.6121002

#376 Ballingsford on 07.29.21 at 3:03 pm

Garth, I’m really surprised at the number of anti-vaccine comments on this blog. A lot of your blog dogs are not as smart as I thought they were.

#377 KLNR on 07.29.21 at 3:42 pm

@#376 Ballingsford on 07.29.21 at 3:03 pm
Garth, I’m really surprised at the number of anti-vaccine comments on this blog. A lot of your blog dogs are not as smart as I thought they were.

todays blog is a dog whistle for the anti vax losers.

#378 baloney Sandwitch on 07.29.21 at 3:58 pm

Garth, Congratulation on taking on the anti-vaxxers. The number of comments probably breaks all previous record. Both sides are riled up. Seriously mandates are coming. I guess T2 is holding off because he is about to call the elections and he need every vote, especially from the stupids. Unless one of the premiers develop a backbone and jumps the gun …

#379 Ruane on 07.29.21 at 5:12 pm

These comments have been fascinating to read.

I fall on the side of NOT forcing anyone to take the vaccine. Since when is it OK to force a medical procedure or treatment on someone?

Not every unvaxxed person is a wild-eyed anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist. Some are simply waiting to see what the long-term effects of these vaccines might be. I think it’s a rational thing to do, especially if you’re younger and your risk from COVID is lower.

That said, I’m in my late 30s and am fully vaccinated. I got both shots as soon as I could.

(…As a completely off-topic aside, I REALLY hope every blog post and comment on the internet continues to exist for centuries for future historians. How fascinating would it be if we had such detailed records like this of what people were thinking during major historical events from hundreds of years ago? Amazing!!)

#380 CALEDONDAVE on 07.29.21 at 5:43 pm

Gartho….hopefully I am the LAST to comment on your exceptionally brave and patriotic comments on getting vaccinated. I am twice vaccinated with Pfizer. Thank you for having the intestinal fortitude for saying it like it as. I don’t envy that you have to read through all the comments, but you do. I am surprised that you still do. Please keep up with “this pathetic blog”?.

#381 Slava on 07.29.21 at 8:14 pm

Garth, you must be in a trolling mood, aren’t ya?

Full disclosure: fully vaxxxed here.

But saying “vaccines should be mandatory” is kind of silly because it will never happen. Come on, even Australia did not go that far. Nor is it necessary.

While at it, maybe also proclaim that “bad weather should be illegal”?

#382 SingASong on 07.29.21 at 9:10 pm

That’s too much power in the hands of govt. Slippery slope. I’d also have great respect for Garth. This one is no no for me.

#383 TrueLies on 07.29.21 at 9:55 pm

Public Health England have released the 19th technical briefing on Covid-19 variants of concern and it shows that people who’ve received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine make up over 65% of all alleged Covid-19 deaths from February 1st 2021 through to July 19th 2021.

Since the 18th report released on 9th July which covered deaths and hospitalisations due to Covid-19 up to the 21st June 2021, the number of fully vaccinated people being hospitalised with Covid-19 has increased by 169%, rising from 313 to 843. Whilst the number of fully vaccinated people sadly losing their life after allegedly testing positive for Covid-19 has increased by 90%, rising from 116 to 265.

This significant increase has taken place over the past four weeks, whereas the previous numbers had accumulated over nearly 5 months.

As of the 19th July 2021, 121,402 people who are unvaccinated have tested positive for the allegedly rampant and dominant Delta Covid-19 variant. Whereas 28,773 fully vaccinated people have tested positive for the same variant. Of these 13,427 were fully vaccinated and over the age of 50. The 28,773 cases of fully vaccinated people allegedly infected with the Delta variant of Covid-19 is an increase of 166% over the figure seen just four weeks ago which stood at 10,834.

A further 33,003 people have also tested positive for the Delta variant after having a single dose of a Covid-19 vaccine at least 21 days prior to their positive result. And a further 21,088 people have tested positive for the Delta variant less than 21 days after having a single dose of a Covid-19 vaccine.

This means that people who have had at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine account for 40.49% of all alleged cases of the Delta variant between the 1st February and 19th July 2021. However, the double vaccinated account for just 14% of all cases, but 35% of all positive cases in people who’ve had at least one dose of a Covid-19 jab.

#384 Scott Cordiar on 07.29.21 at 11:09 pm

DON, I remember when i was allocating my 40% of fixed income with my advisor and I told him I wanted a simple, long term position there. He wanted me to do all different types of fixed income. I forgot to mention this is in my RRSP’s.

I always understood that my RRSP’s are best for tax consequences of interest income or better compound interest. So instead of buying Canada, provincial, corporate bonds, T-bills, Ontario Savings Bonds, convertible bonds etc. I finally bought 10 different provincial strip bonds, 1 Canada strip bond. This was back in 2000, 2001. They are all 30 to 35 year maturities at 5.75% to 6.75%. These thing did very well, all with compound interest of 215% to 295% in 20 to 21 years.

This is very good for fixed income with after compound interest rates of 11% to 14% a year. They mature in another 9 to 10 years and be worth alot more by then. My RRSP will be very helpful when they mature at age 63. Just that RRSP which is not 40% but 28% now will be at least 20 years of annual income in the $35,000 minimum income just counting principal no interest on top of that. Even at 2.25% GIC and provincial mid term interest rates now hopefully higher in 9, 10 years, that will give me an extra $15,000+ annual interest income.

#385 Entrepreneur on 07.29.21 at 11:29 pm

#268 Nonplused…

Not in B.C., around election time we get a card in the mail with our name and where to vote, no pictue on it. When we go vote we bring that card then show our driver’s picture.

We should have the proper voting card with a picture but with the technology we should apply like at the lottery booth, detail info about the person. And that person will only be allowed to vote once. Maybe mix in a debt card style to identify the voter.

Mail-in votes are questionable.

We all know elections are being played so time to stop this and make picture id voting cards to end cheaters.

#386 VH on 07.30.21 at 6:24 am

Echo chamber of fools. Not one of you is questioning the need for masks even after the promise of ‘freedom’ and ‘immunity’. Natural immunity against all 29 proteins trumps a Nano-bot that only kills one protein. It’s simple math. Besides, ‘Health Ministry says COVID vaccine is only 40% effective at halting transmission’ Link: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/health-ministry-says-covid-vaccine-is-only-40-effective-at-halting-transmission/