On freedom

In 2020, the year of Satan, this blog published just over 66,500 comments. (There have been 704,938 posted since I lost my mind and created the site.) In addition last year 1,187 comments were deleted. Two people lost their ability to post for a few months, until they (a) apologized or (b) chilled. Four posters were permanently banned for being habitual liars, racists or seriously irritating me. (I figure life is too short to aid and abet losers.)

So, yes, this site practices censorship. In its own imperious wisdom it decides what’s worthy of publishing. Rejected are comments that would inherently question my judgement in allowing them, reflecting badly on me, my rep, my business, colleagues or those who trust my code.

As you know, during the pandemic (now worsening) I’ve routinely blocked strident words from those who work against the public good – anti-maskers, Covid deniers, vaccine trashers and the nuts who drag up quack Internet docs to embolden those infecting the rest of us.

At the heart of this lamentable need to stifle free speech has been one guy. You know who. The American president has used social media to promote conspiracy theories, attack fact-based realities and science, bolster radical groups and cults like QAnon and Proud Boys, question democratic legitimacy and repeatedly claim he won an election that states, legislatures, judges and the Supreme Court believe he lost. Social media helped him garner 75 million votes. It enabled the attempt by thousands of rioters to storm the US Capitol, stop the counting of Electoral College votes, and seek to overturn the nation’s ballot results. Five people died that day.

During the event there were many sideshows. One of them is depicted below, showing Trump supporters destroying expensive media equipment belonging to Associated Press reporters who were covering the protest:

This says a lot. It shows the self-proclaimed ‘patriots’ trashing the tools of the media ‘traitors’ because they did not want their signal broadcast. It sure looks like censorship. So much for free speech. It reminded me of this…

That was May 10th, 1933. There were no TV cameras then. But there were books. For the past four years Trump declared the traditional media outlets as ‘fake news’ and ‘enemies of the people.’ He wished to feed his supporters unfettered messages through Twitter and other platforms, free of editing, fact-checking or any filter professional reporters might apply.

The social media guys let him do it. January 6th was the result.

So now Trump has been banned from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. Meanwhile Google. Amazon and Apple have removed ‘free-speech’ apps like Parler from their online stores, saying that without any filters or code of conduct those new services will allow the continuation of false news and the promotion of violence and sedition.

The implications?

Well, it could all backfire with the Trumpers retreating further into their own radical, cultist echo chambers (like Parler) and coming out more strongly in the months to come, causing widespread disruption and grief for President Biden. Or maybe without the ability to talk to millions, impulsively with a single click, Trump will become an irrelevant relic. Mr. Market seems to believe the latter. At this point, that’s a reasonable conclusion.

In any case, questions remain. When is free speech unworthy of freedom? Should responsible social media companies – or pathetic blog proprietors – impose standards and ethical guidelines which justify silencing some voices? Is there a greater good that moral people need to protect? Or in a free society should we allow a riotous cacophony of voices and actions that will end up wherever they end up? Was the siege of the US Capitol a triumphant moment of democratic outpouring, or an attempted tyranny of the misled minority?

Without Twitter, in other words, there may have been no Trump. Some people wonder just what we have wrought.

298 comments ↓

#1 Austruck on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm

Garth,
The real question is who gets to decide which speech is moral and which isn’t. When the restrictions on free speech start, where does it end and who gets to make those decisions. Facebook? Twitter, you? Please…. I’ll take my chances being free. Thanks. Don’t need you telling me what freedom sounds like.

#2 Catalyst on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm

Free speech is useless if you can’t be swayed from your opinion. I would argue both ardent trump supporters and ultra lefties are both in capable of changing their positions when presented with facts they are wrong. Facts have become like manipulated data points with nuggets of truth being used to spin false narratives. Without meaningful sanctions on places like Foxnews and even CNN I dont know that we change.

CNN used to be much more neutral and now they cant get a sitting republican on their network because the interviewer berates them as either rascist or corrupt. Shows like hannity and lou dobbs shouldnt be allowed on the air of a major news network. To blame twitter and facebook would be miopic as these networks are the ones that have FOR DECADES caused the canyon rift between left and right.

I miss programming like larry king live where you had a straight shooter not pulling punches interviewing interesting people. I mostly stick to bnn or cnbc nowadays so I’m not getting pushed left or right (and ofc thegreaterfool).

#3 KLNR on 01.10.21 at 12:04 pm

there’s a fine line between free speech and hate speech.
trumpers often cross that line. As for parlor and their ilk, seems to be mostly a forum for anti-semites so good move by apple google etc.

#4 NoName on 01.10.21 at 12:05 pm

Are the 1st-ers steel allowed this year?

#5 Hans on 01.10.21 at 12:07 pm

Good riddance.
May he rot in Russia.

#6 NUTJOB on 01.10.21 at 12:17 pm

impose standards and ethical guidelines which justify silencing some voices? Is there a greater good that moral people need to protect?

Just whose standards? When you hear the term greater good you know it is collectivism at its best. They (whoever they are) expect you to be what THEY want you to be, rather than what you want to be (or say). They feel that they know better than you how you should live your life. Collectivism is dangerous in the hands of gov’t/silicon valley oligarchs. Unfortunately the lamestream media in the western world has no longer responsible journalists. They have become Pravda West, merely stenographers for the ruling elites, bought off by the likes of Trudeau with his 600M$ media fund. As to your blog, I get it, Your Blog Your rules, fair enough, you decide.

#7 unbalanced on 01.10.21 at 12:19 pm

Don the clown told us to drink a little bleach with some water. Wonder how many did.

#8 cadmar on 01.10.21 at 12:20 pm

“Who elected Jack Dorsey?: This could be the battle cry that Trump may be remembered by. A martyr? If there was no Twitter that created Trump, there would have been another social platform that Trump would have been self-created.

#9 Larry App on 01.10.21 at 12:21 pm

Well, this might be the start of a very slippery slope don’t you think Garth? I do not own a crystal ball to read the future but if Big Tech operates a de facto freedom of speech monopoly , should we expect more censorship if one’s opinion does not align with the mainstream narrative? What Trump did was wrong , he contributed to a very serious crime , but I would not give Big Tech a pass ,since they created an even bigger rift in the American populace

#10 Comments! on 01.10.21 at 12:28 pm

“In 2020, the year of Satan, this blog published just over 66,500 comments.”

Yes 63777 came from Dolce Vita and Faron.

#11 Dolce Vita on 01.10.21 at 12:30 pm

“When is free speech unworthy of freedom?”

We saw that a few days ago in Washington’s Capitol Building. The rest you wrote about ELOQUENTLY Garth, kudos to you. And you are many things but this you are NOT:

“– or pathetic blog proprietors –”

No that you are not; rather, the its antithesis and today in your own words you proved the point beyond reproach.

Hats off to you My Liege, hats off indeed.

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.10.21 at 12:34 pm

#72 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 7:10 am
#10 SWL on 01.09.21 at 3:20 pm

Another sad note: I just heard on CBC radio that Jagmeet wants to lump conspiracy theorist into domestic terrorists with racist and white supremacists

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“Tolerance” rears its head again.

It’s touching that the powers that be are so concerned for our welfare they are eager to provide strict guidelines on how to think.
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Not so fast, fella.
I want a lot of things, too.
Doesn’t mean I get them.

#13 jerry on 01.10.21 at 12:37 pm

The medium is the message.

Ascension of Post Truth culture. Decision making becomes less based on data, facts and evidence and instead relies on emotions and grievances, tribe and feelings.

New Media platforms continue to emerge as non curated sources of information.

#14 Dogman01 on 01.10.21 at 12:39 pm

The tools to limit free speech and the support to suppress speech have me quite worried:

Speech by its nature will sometimes have unpalatable consequences, and, in general, our society has accorded greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse. But is that being changed? Progressives are becoming increasingly intolerant because they’re so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment.

Thinking is full of bias and ignorance, speech is a tool to expose those bias and ignorance to others perception of reality – but if you do not have freedom to speak you cannot validate and test your truth.
By making speech a minefield of potential perceived racism or incorrect thought (as complex as a Viennese Waltz) you do not allow those unskilled in sophisticated speech to have any voice.

By suppressing odd thinkers and unpopular speech you drive It underground out of sight and further alienate those radicals from society….very dangerous.

“In order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive” – Jordan Peterson

Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority
“For me privacy is the right to think ideas that aren’t fully formed, to say things aloud without having everybody knowing what I’ve said, to go to a place and try a thing without having to commit to it being part of my record forever” – Cory Doctorow

“Lots of culture-war fights are unavoidable––that is, they are rooted in earnest, strongly felt disagreements over the best values or way forward or method of prioritizing goods. The best we can do is have those fights, with rules against eye-gouging. – Conor Friedersdorf

#15 Elon Fanboy on 01.10.21 at 12:39 pm

I’m struck by the one sidedness of this outrage.

For roughly 8 months the US has suffered riots, looting, hundreds of businesses torched/destroyed. It’s still occurring in Portland.

Headline figures, 23 people shot dead, 700 police injured. 150+ federal buildings damaged.

All driven by left wing groups.

Egged on by Dem politicians :-

e.g. Kamala Harris “Protesters should not let up”

Nancy Pelosi “I don’t know why they’re aren’t uprisings all over the Country”.

Ayanna Pressley “They’re needs to be unrest in the streets”.

No condemnation of these inflammatory comments by the media. No calls for censoring of their social media accounts, etc.

The mass censoring is only occurring on one side, and that’s very dangerous. That’s the true start of fascism, the very thing the left spent 4 years accusing Trump of.

Noam Chomsky

“With regard to freedom of speech there are basically two positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you reject it and prefer Stalinist/fascist standards. It is unfortunate that it remains necessary to stress these simple truths.”

The protests you refer to were over deaths that people considered unjustified and in the promotion of racial equality. Most were peaceful, some not. Those events were not designed to overthrow the government or deny the results of an election. Not a balanced comparison. – Garth

#16 Doug t on 01.10.21 at 12:39 pm

Humans are weak – everything and anything will be allowed in the name of PROGRESS – AI will become our masters and we will slowly continue to shrink our personal connection with nature and one another – slaves to the machine

#17 KNOW IT ALL on 01.10.21 at 12:41 pm

SHUT IT ALL DOWN!

I believe we once lived in a world where these social media companies didn’t exist…..and we still lived a good life.

Time to rewind the clock.

Where are the servers located?

#18 Dogman01 on 01.10.21 at 12:45 pm

#2 Catalyst on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm

“I mostly stick to bnn or cnbc nowadays so I’m not getting pushed left or right (and ofc thegreaterfool).”

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I noticed the same thing , BNN has become my news source also, delivered professionally.

The main Canadian News sources, CBC, CTV have blatant agenda, narrative.

You can almost see how they are incentivized to add in the narrative to stories and you can see when they have been instructed to change the particular spin.

Terrible, Establishment social engineering Pravda now.

Opiate for the masses.

#19 DOn on 01.10.21 at 12:45 pm

My issue with today’s media is that there is not enough outlets. There are two, maybe three, in the U.S. that deliver us news that they feel is worthy. Canada is no different. All said, the important stuff is delivered however. But, at the media empires discretion and spin.

#20 Marco Polo on 01.10.21 at 12:47 pm

Al Gore “invented the internet”, his words, not mine. It’s accurate though. The Clinton administration and Al Gore were responsible for modifying ARPANET into what became the world wide web. The internet was never sold, or a levy or tax charged for its use.

Nowdays, companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook control the application of this communications method, and largely out of offices in California and the Pacific Coast as well.

They have control here, certainly. This would be much the same as having Ford or GM deciding who they could sell or lease cars to for use on public roads. You don’t agree with the collective norm, not following current groupthink? Your gender pronouns aren’t correct? No keys or bill of sale for you!

#21 Diamond Dog on 01.10.21 at 12:47 pm

This was meant for Doug’s post yesterday. Sorry Doug, next time.

She was a wild year in the markets. The March crash offered plenty of opportunity last year and people who invested in commodities did well. People who invested in the pandemic and techs did even better. Let’s look at some U.S. stocks, still large caps and see how they performed to get an idea of just how well some new and shiny SPAC techs did in the U.S. last year. (SPAC’s? Garth mentioned them if readers weren’t paying attention)

If investors invested in, what else, the pandemic, they kicked it old school. Like, .com bubble IPO old school. This is Moderna, one of the first 2 vaccine makers, trough to peak, 800% gain.

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/mrna

I think it was Ryan who mentioned this summer that when Trump introduced operation warp speed and Moderna was one of the corps involved, looking at their chart, if 1% of your portfolio was in growthy Moderna even in July, your portfolio was going to rise 1%. That’s a sharp cookie right there.

The lesson with Moderna is, don’t let a good pandemic go to waste. It’s a clean investment, not like oil or tobacco or sugar or guns and bombs, clean as in pandemic killer. If investors invested in Moderna, they didn’t just do themselves a favor, they did the world a favor and in case people didn’t fully catch on to why Diamond Dog’s creator spent oodles of time on this pandemic in a blog such as this, well, now you know. Wealth preservation and wealth creation help people retire from work and debt and so much more and sometimes we have to be open to take what the universe provides. This blog is here in service to help with that.

Next up is Zoom. Y’know, Zoom multi video conferencing WFH can’t live without? Go to 1 year chart, easy 600% gains:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/zm

Of course, EV’s are the future and the Nasdaq is forward thinking. Here’s Blink, they are into EV chargers. They didn’t hit $2 bucks until June and now trade at $44 (go to 1 year chart):

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/blnk

Can we do better? Yup, check out Blink’s warrants. We could have picked those up for .50 on June 1st. They trade around $40 bucks now:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/blnkw

This is what Luminar did last month, they are Lidar (self driving tech), 400% juice. Luminar’s warrants did 800% over December:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/lazr

Here’s Quantumscape, solid state batteries for EV’s etc, you could have picked them up for $12 to 13 bucks in Oct, they traded up to $130 a share. Their cap hit 42, 43 billion for a market unproven solid state EV battery. Speculative market anyone?:

Here’s another one, NBAC, looks like a relatively benign EV charger tech stock, only 100% juice in Dec:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/nbac

Check out their warrants, you could have filled your boots under .20 cents, these warrants trade at 3.59 now:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/nbacw

Point is, there was tremendous opportunity in the markets this year. I’m just pointing out some high flying techs, some Canadian miners did really well from March on this year but not every year is the same. Everything we’ve looked at just now is rear view mirror. As values increase, so does risk. When we are in a bubble at the height of speculation, nutty things can happen in a big way but just as quickly it can fall apart. The advice I sometimes give to readers honestly, is day to day.

When .com2000 went bust, the Nasdaq traded from 5400 to what was it, 1200, I can’t remember but it was devastating. My dad, against my advice, decided to own NASDAQ tech mutuals, large caps right, wouldn’t be much different than a tech large cap ETF, it lost 85% of it’s value and took 5 years to recover. We are in nosebleed territory once again. I can’t in good conscience tell readers to get out because speculation is what juices charts like I just showed readers here, but what I can say is a trend is a trend.

Trends aren’t mild fluxuations we tease out here and there, they are sharp rises and hard sell offs and we don’t want to be a part of a crash sell off so, recognize what it is that sets them off, look at history and ask why. Sometimes the reason isn’t obvious but often it’s plain as day.

Don’t fall for the usual lame excuses everyone uses to not hit the sell button (like my dad did) and watch the race to the bottom, when that worm turns and it always does, you sell. Take profit. If you are wrong and the market fakes you out, re-balance. Everyone does.

It’s true, Bulls and Bears make money but pigs get slaughtered. Diversify. As you accumulate more wealth, volume becomes a bigger issue and large caps and steerage like Turner investments is more sane as it’s not about home runs anymore, its about batting singles. Increments. Wealth preservation and if I hear anyone bitch and moan about my lengthy posts after this, just go back to sleep. :)

#22 BillinBC on 01.10.21 at 12:48 pm

#1 Austruck

Well said!

#23 Dolce Vita on 01.10.21 at 12:51 pm

Optimism the economy will quickly accelerate once the pace of vaccinations picks up.

I do this because I owe everything to Canada. I want to see it healthy, happy and restored to a place where dreams and prosperity happen not by de rigueur but as a matter of fact, not fancy.

And I also do it because the PM of Canada insists, as of late, in giving Cdns. false hope about all vax’d by Sept. 2021. A recipe for disappointment – in my view the last thing to do to the good people of Canada in a Pandemic. Thus my attempt using data in the Public Domain to tell the truth instead and as it evolves.

Inaugural below, I will Comment every Sunday from now in on the topic below as long as Garth permits me to do so (believe me from experience he will let me know in no uncertain terms).

His Blog, his rules.

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Canada VAX Scorecard

2021 End of Week 1 (Jan. 9) for 75% herd immunity, number of people vax’d, Ahead/Behind/On Schedule:

Actual No. Vaccinated 147,000
Actual vs. Wk 39 Goal -467,742 Behind
Actual vs. Wk 52 Goal -314,057 Behind

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The ONLY TIME I will bore you with what follows. Next Sunday all you will see is a link to today’s Blog and a Comment # for those interested in the raison d’être behind the numbers.

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Assumptions, Data Sources:

1. †Cdn Population ≥ 15 yrs old = 31,966,591
2. ††Herd Immunity Percent = 75%
3. 75% Herd Immunity No. req’d to be vaccinated = 23,974,943
4. Oct. 2, 2021 = Gov Canada goal end of Sept. all vax’d per PM Trudeau assumed as the end of Week 39, 2021 (but here for 75% of them), 614,742 per week need to be vaccinated (39 wks x 614,742/week = 23,974,943).
5. 2021 End = Jan. 1, 2023, 461,057 per week need to be vaccinated (52 wks x 461,057/week = 23,974,943), again but here for 75% of them.
6. Actual No. Vaccinated = No. of doses ÷ 2, , Week 1 includes doses since Dec. 14, 2020.
7. No. of doses as reported by Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker on Sunday morning, day after week end (Saturday, e.g., for Week 1 the number reported on Jan. 10):
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/#dvz-section-purchasing
8. Also verified by Github (where Our World in Data gets its data from for its: “Daily vaccination rates”):
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/blob/master/public/data/vaccinations/vaccinations.csv
9. Select the GREATER of #7 or #8 above for Actual No. Vaccinated.

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†StatCan: Population estimates on July 1st, by age and sex (2020)
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000501

††75% is the Medical people number most bandied about. No one knows what it will be for Covid 19, they are just guesses. For example (Google Search “herd immunity percentage”):

“Herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%.”

Other disease herd immunity percents (Wikipedia has 60-75% for Covid-19 and it is a scientific math GUESS just read the 2 citations for it…you’ll see what I mean [short reads]):

https://i.imgur.com/0Zh52Fc.png

Table in above image taken from Wikipedia “Herd Immunity” (and yes I donate to them every year, €10 – meagre money where my mouth is).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

#24 Joseph R on 01.10.21 at 12:52 pm

“This says a lot. It shows the self-proclaimed ‘patriots’ trashing the tools of the media ‘traitors’ because they did not want their signal broadcast. It sure looks like censorship. So much for free speech. ”

You may add they tried to silence the voice of 80+ millions of voters who voted for Biden because they believed in conspiracies theories about voter fraud. That is why the event occurred on January 6th.

#25 Oakville Rocks! on 01.10.21 at 12:52 pm

As much as a spectacle as Wednesday was, what’s coming is going to be even more interesting.

How long before the families of the woman killed and the fallen police officer announce lawsuits against the US government citing the words of the US President as the cause of the insurrection that lead to the deaths or the justification for being present.

How long before the people now charged with crimes for their actions on Wednesday use the President’s own words as their legal defense?

Its ironic that it was a member of the much maligned media (Savannah Guthrie) who tried to explain the power (and liability) of the words of the President to the President when she asked him, “I don’t get that, you’re the President, you’re not like someone’s crazy uncle that can retweet whatever” about his retweet of the “Joe Biden had Seal Team 6 killed” conspiracy theory.

The question I have, is Trump so clueless that he does not understand this or is he such a narcissist/sociopath that he just does not care? I think it is the latter as he lived in NY long enough to witness the damage and craziness of Howard Stern’s army of followers to know that there are people who are willing to act on the words of their “heroes”.

Trump’s video of Thursday tells me that his lawyers and the White House lawyers are now concerned enough about what might happen on Jan 20th that they are trying to cover their butt in advance. Trump’s best play, resign now and get Pence to pardon him against future action, unless he thinks he can actually pardon himself (which would not surprise me).

Facebook & Twitter – the only thing they are thinking is why did they wait so long to act and are they going to be held liable as well.

Well said, Garth. No surprise the “freedumb of speechers” have no desire to acknowledge that choosing to live in a society with others entails responsibility to others that puts obvious limits on what one can freely do. I would love to drive a lot faster than I do, common sense and respect for my neighbours means I try to observe the speed limits.

It used to be you would have to catch a plane or a boat to reach a banana republic from here. Now it is a 45 minute drive away and the only bananas are at Tops! – GO BILLS!

#26 KLNR on 01.10.21 at 12:57 pm

@#18 BillinBC on 01.10.21 at 12:48 pm
#1 Austruck

Well said!
@#1 Austruck on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm
Garth,
The real question is who gets to decide which speech is moral and which isn’t. When the restrictions on free speech start, where does it end and who gets to make those decisions. Facebook? Twitter, you? Please…. I’ll take my chances being free. Thanks. Don’t need you telling me what freedom sounds like.

the cool thing is you guys have the freedom not to frequent this blog.

#27 Nixter on 01.10.21 at 12:59 pm

John Swinton New York Times 1860-1870 ed writer

There is no such thing as free press.
You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who would dare to write his honest opinions. The business of the journalist is to destroy truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify,to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell himself.

You just quoted a flaming radical labour leftie. Funny. – Garth

#28 To the point. on 01.10.21 at 1:00 pm

It is simple – democratic governments worldwide need to pass legal and regulatory guidelines to ensure whatever is illegal offline is also illegal online.

Already, US Republicans, FOX news and their ilk are trying to frame this as a “free speech” debate or another example of “cancel culture”. If Zuckerberg and Dorsey have had to exercise some controls over the hate and stupidity that their corporations host, it is only because US politicians have failed to act.

The EU has shown the way. Canada can do more to limit the toxic effects of social media within it’s own borders. The toxins are like DDT seeping into the water supply. It may seem too big a problem to act but without action, the downstream effects on our freedom, democracy and even our mental health are only beginning.

#29 Doc on 01.10.21 at 1:00 pm

I think we all need to focus on our inner selves or souls to see what resonates with us as a guide to truth. We know truth is the first casualty of war and we are in an information war for control of minds. The heart is more powerful electromagnetically than the mind and to feel its power we need to get out of our minds ie. as Alan Watts said “you need to go out of your mind to come to your senses”.

I have experienced 14 years of post secondary education and ongoing professional development for decades so I don’t think I fit the media mold of the deplorables yet I find much to admire in the much maligned Mr. T. He has many faults as do all humans but he is not the devil though there are millions out there including our beloved host who feel he will do till the real devil gets here.We humans are all quite similar and we have only one planet to share. We need to listen to each other with respect and allowing a handful of giant tech owners and media moguls to censor literally millions of us is the opposite of freedom.

#30 NUTJOB on 01.10.21 at 1:05 pm

“Progress” is not a synonym for Good. Life and society was a lot more civil prior to the rise of social media.

#31 Masks really do make some people more attractive on 01.10.21 at 1:09 pm

Anyone buying the S&P index has contributed to Big Tech’s ability to censor and transmit information as they see fit. You don’t get to profit from censorship AND complain about it.

Time for anti-trust legislation to break up the information media oligarchies. Split up, tax, regulate. We’ll see if Biden has an appetite for such measures, because both Big Tech and Biden are going for woke.

Best outcome is Biden mimics the Trudeau Liberals; campaign from the left, rule from the right.

#32 Damifino on 01.10.21 at 1:12 pm

Was the siege of the US Capital a triumphant moment of democratic outpouring, or an attempted tyranny of the misled minority?
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It was the latter, without a scrap of doubt. Except for one thing, they are becoming less of a minority.

In America, the ratio between the highly intelligent and the mentally challenged was stable for most of history. So called “social media” (which is anything but) has undermined that equilibrium.

In a nutshell, America now lacks enough smart, effective people to counterbalance a growing sea of utter fools. It’s been coming for a long time and now it’s here.

Can we say the same trend is not fomenting in our own country? When I see our national rail system hobbled for weeks on end by a handful of misguided blockheads while Ottawa experiments with various “conciliatory” approaches… well…

#33 Dogman01 on 01.10.21 at 1:14 pm

Thinking again…damm…

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” – Noam Chomsky

Trump was a reaction to the Red Tie-Blue Tie constraints of Western Democracies. The red Tie and Blue Tie Parties are hardly different on issues that matter. Tommy Douglas illustrated this well with his Black Cat, White Cat analogy in Mouseland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EhbOLiv0Q (it is so funny)

Alternative media is becoming a reaction to the agenda and corporate controlled MSM, that strictly limits spectrum of narratives.

Pelosi was on about the Russians again, those Russians! , look over here squirrel!
Nothing about the threat of China…..as China is where the good times will roll for the Democrats for 4 more years. (and the establishment Republicans)

#34 Leftover on 01.10.21 at 1:16 pm

Like all rights, the right to free speech implies a responsibility. All ideas are tempered when they’re expressed properly or, as Oscar Wilde said:

“There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are either well written, or badly written. That is all.”

I don’t think most of those protesters could spell their own name.

#35 BillinBC on 01.10.21 at 1:16 pm

@#18 BillinBC on 01.10.21 at 12:48 pm
#1 Austruck

Well said!
@#1 Austruck on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm
Garth,
The real question is who gets to decide which speech is moral and which isn’t. When the restrictions on free speech start, where does it end and who gets to make those decisions. Facebook? Twitter, you? Please…. I’ll take my chances being free. Thanks. Don’t need you telling me what freedom sounds like.

the cool thing is you guys have the freedom not to frequent this blog.
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For sure!

#36 Elon Fanboy on 01.10.21 at 1:18 pm

One final thought.

This doesn’t stop at just online censorship.

Many other conservative voices were silenced this week for no apparent reason.

You’ve already got groups like the NeverTrumpers ‘Lincoln Project’ creating ‘blacklists’ of Trump supporters/employees/donors, to ostracize them from future jobs, etc. Basically ruin their lives.

ABC’s News political director Rick Klein called for a ‘cleansing’ of Trump supporters.

Online conservative platforms e.g. Gab, had email and banking facilities cut off. How long before a conservative won’t be able to get a bank account, or a mortgage? Think that’s far fetched?

I came across one interesting Twitter comment from a Romanian. Pointing out this was how the oppression/censorship started in their country. A one sided purge, then another purge….then another..ohh, and then just random purges to scare you.

#37 Austruck on 01.10.21 at 1:18 pm

Freedom and truth don’t need explanations. People just know what they are. They can feel it. More government making up more rules is the problem not the solution. People who speak freely but stupidly pay for it in the court of public opinion. Restrictions only make things worse and provide a platform for those who would abuse the privilege.

#38 Ottawan on 01.10.21 at 1:20 pm

Do we censor with zeal or do we censor with regret?

Therein lies the difference,

#39 Prince Polo on 01.10.21 at 1:25 pm

Maybe what we learn from all of this is that, the owner of any online platform is considered a publisher, and therefore, has the duty & burden to decide what kinds of mini-editorials are allowed to be published on that space.

Nobody is saying to disallow your freedom to say things; what is being debated, is, whether the network effect of publishing these comments online, demands additional scrutiny of legitimate fact-checking along with the responsibility to ensure we aren’t yelling “FIRE” in crowded, metaphorical movie theatres.

#40 XDFO on 01.10.21 at 1:27 pm

These are all comfortable, white, looky-loos scared by all the change going on around them. They are not interested in doing the heavy lifting required to topple a government. As the one woman who was weeping (lol) she was hoping to SEE the execution of their enemies, not BE the executioner.

Nazi germany was born on the back of a nation with a boot on its throat thanks to its defeat in ww1 and massive inflation making it impossible to purchase day to day items. The US is just a degenerating power with deluded neo-nazi hold outs who are flailing and circle-grifting each other.

I expect more mass shootings, maybe a couple of bombings and many suicides to come but the era of MAGA is pretty much done as these people self-destruct with loss of jobs, support systems etc.

#41 Gravy Train on 01.10.21 at 1:34 pm

#29 Doc on 01.10.21 at 1:00 pm
“[…] I have experienced 14 years of post-secondary education and ongoing professional development for decades, so I don’t think I fit the media mold of the deplorables, yet I find much to admire in the much maligned Mr. T.[…]” It’s a shame that such an educated person as yourself is unaware that the commission of at least five felonies results in years of prison time. The insurgents on the U.S. Capitol are now getting a basic civics lesson.

#42 Linda on 01.10.21 at 1:34 pm

My partner & I have discussed the issue of how modern technology – the web – has allowed like minded individuals to gather together to promulgate their opinions. It is much easier to fly your freak flag if you have the support of like minded individuals to encourage you. But, say the supporters, the definition of what is considered ‘freak’ is imposed by societal mores that change. Witness the legalization of same sex marriage, the granting of medical benefits to those who wish to change their sex & other such changes to what is considered acceptable by society.

A fair point, but when it comes to free speech, I think the deliberate encouragement of behavior that harms others should not be supported. So physical harm – like the Parler post that called for the execution of Mr. Pence – are obvious candidates for censorship.

#43 greyhound on 01.10.21 at 1:36 pm

I for one enjoy Garth’s approach & applaud this website where I have learned. Please keep it up.

#44 Apocalypse NOW on 01.10.21 at 1:40 pm

Do not be a denialist fool, endangering your family’s existence, by thinking nothing else will happen until January 17.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-01-08/dc-riot-was-just-the-start-of-what-a-fractured-insurrectionist-movement-is-plotting

There will be multiple eruptions in the few days ahead. International interference and violence will intrude profoundly into this as well.

Millions in the USA are “ready for the boogaloo”.

Are you?

Or are you pretending none of this will affect you?

If so, Darwin has some advice for you.

PREPARE

#45 Brett in Calgary on 01.10.21 at 1:41 pm

When is free speech unworthy of freedom?

Who get’s to decide what is worthy?

Government or Google?

#46 Dolce Vita on 01.10.21 at 1:41 pm

I will try and update the following as needed as this is a BIG part of the Cdn vaxing effort, supply side.

On this topic the Cdn MSM has really dropped the ball, else on vaxing they been very good as of late.

Basically: where does Canada stand on ordered Covid vaccines?

Cdn. orders per Bloomberg (line in my prior Comment):

Canada Vax Orders, 214 million doses ordered, efficacy & status:

Novavax……………….52M, unknown efficacy
Sanofi/GSK…………..52, unknown efficacy
Moderna……………….40, 95%
Medicago………………20, unknown efficacy
Pfizer…………………..20, 95%
AstraZeneca………….20, 70%
Johnson & Johnson…10, unknown efficacy

Changes, updates:

Dec. 11, Sanofi and GSK announced that their vaccine was proving disappointing. While it provided promising levels of antibodies in people under 50, older people did not respond as strongly as they had hoped. They will start a new Phase 2 trial in February with a different formulation. Sanofi and GSK do not expect the vaccine to become available before the end of 2021.

•Make that 162M doses ordered.
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Medicago (Cdn. VAX)
Estimated Primary Completion Date:
December 31, 2021
Use Tabular view:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT04636697

•Make that 142M doses ordered.
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Novavax
“A 30,000-person Phase 3 trial in the United States was delayed because of problems with manufacturing the doses required for the study. It finally launched on Dec. 28.” Was supposed to start in November. Now showing as end of March for Results and after that approvals. They have never manufactured a vaccine. Have contract production with The Serum Institute of India (a good thing, World’s largest vaccine mfr.). The orders for about 1.3B doses this year (RECALL Pfizer that has experience mfg had to revise in 2020 from 100 million to 50 million in November).

My guess, 9 mo gone best case in 2021, thus factor Cdn order quantity by 75% or :

39M delivered in 2021 (guesstimate April to December end). Also Results unknown (did it work? efficacy?) and then comes Approval time.

•Make that 129M doses ordered.
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Johnson & Johnson
Unknown Results or efficacy? Supposed to be end of January. And then comes Approval wait time.

——————————

In reality, Pfizer and Moderna the only 2 known quantities that are manufacturing and delivering. They add up to:

60M doses.

OK FOR NOW for the 23,974,943 or 47.95M doses (vax’d for 75% herd immunity).

—————————————————–

Question is:

What if Covid herd immunity is like the Measles, where 95% of the population will need vaxing or 30.37M people (60.74M doses)?

Why I am keeping track of the above ESPECIALLY what the fabled HERD IMMUNITY number will be.

#47 Ustabe on 01.10.21 at 1:42 pm

All the free speechers today need to understand that there is a world of difference between the government shutting down “free speech” and a private entity doing so.

The government in the US has decided that a private entity, like a bakery, can indeed deny its services to a couple of lesbians. It is not the government saying “No cake for you” it is apparently the right of the privately owned bakery to do so however.

If that holds true then the actions of non governmental businesses can also decide who they wish to be their customers. Any other business can spring up to fill the void but Facebook/Twitter can run itself as it sees fit.

You recall the saying from a TV show long ago: “You’re fired!” Well twitter, et all just fired Trump…as is their right under US Supreme Court tested law.

#48 Rossco on 01.10.21 at 1:43 pm

DANGER;
You are being conditioned to think that FREEDOM is SELFISH. Bumper stickers should be issued.
What if TPTB wanted Trump as President and on Twitter so that to further divide and conquer the citizens so they would welcome more restrictions and censorship going forward. The long game unfolding.
Think of it as a mutation of The Twilight Zone and The Truman Show.

#49 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 1:44 pm

In turmoil and unrest lies opportunity. Watch, act, then… bon appetit!

#50 Dolce Vita on 01.10.21 at 1:48 pm

On the CDN vaccine contracts:

Why Gov Canada needs to approve and begin ordering AstraZeneca

Now.

Will give that padding in case others suppliers do not meet contract order amounts or delayed in production.

Best, it needs only fridge temps so your proverbial nurse with a cooler of vials, ice, syringes, etc. can go anywhere and vax people.

With Moderna and Pfizer the people have to go where the cryo and deep freezers are for vaxing. With AstraZeneca the vax can go where the people are.

FWIW

#51 Stone on 01.10.21 at 1:52 pm

#29 Doc on 01.10.21 at 1:00 pm
I think we all need to focus on our inner selves or souls to see what resonates with us as a guide to truth. We know truth is the first casualty of war and we are in an information war for control of minds. The heart is more powerful electromagnetically than the mind and to feel its power we need to get out of our minds ie. as Alan Watts said “you need to go out of your mind to come to your senses”.

I have experienced 14 years of post secondary education and ongoing professional development for decades so I don’t think I fit the media mold of the deplorables yet I find much to admire in the much maligned Mr. T. He has many faults as do all humans but he is not the devil though there are millions out there including our beloved host who feel he will do till the real devil gets here.We humans are all quite similar and we have only one planet to share. We need to listen to each other with respect and allowing a handful of giant tech owners and media moguls to censor literally millions of us is the opposite of freedom.

———

…14 years of post secondary education…

You do mean 14 years of schooling, right?

I like the quote, I don’t let my schooling get in the way of my education.

Don’t know why people constantly equate going to school as education. Is it maybe due to an inferiority complex?

#52 Paul B on 01.10.21 at 2:01 pm

In the case of Twitter , Parler, and other social media platforms, I would lean to err on the side of allowing free speech as long as it did not incite violence. There needs to be a free flow of ideas, otherwise as Garth mentioned, there will be echo chambers that only reflect one opinion.

With regards to Garth’s blog comments section, it is his blog and his rules that should be respected.

With respect to the integrity of the election in the USA, they should tighten up rules for photo id. voter rolls, and ensuring an audit trail – ie follow rules like we have with Election Canada. If a system can be hacked or compromised, it will be, so it is important to address deficiencies in the system. It is no wonder that Trump can claim fraud, since their election system is so full of holes. The best response to Trump’s claims, and to calm the waters, is to tighten up the system for the next election.

#53 Oracle of Ottawa on 01.10.21 at 2:01 pm

The media is definitely a double edged sword. It was the Nazi propaganda machine that put someone like Hitler in power. It was the same for Trump. What I don’t understand, with all the available websites and news media, how someone could still think Trump is a brilliant leader. While the rest of us see him as a spoiled rich brat who still pouts even as an adult when he doesn’t get his way. A guy who has declared bankruptcy 4 times, makes fun of special needs people, constantly lies and gives false information and would likely be a shop sweeper (sorry shop sweepers) if he didn’t come from a rich family. It’s sad to say, but compared to Hitler, he looks like an imbecile.

#54 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 2:06 pm

Deplatforming people who foment insurrection and democratic overthrow seems like a peachy thing for large corporations to do. – Garth

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Works for me. Why isn’t Ayatollah Khameini of Iran banned from Twitter? Applying the de-platforming standard, Twitter itself should be de-platformed.

Either you have free speech or you don’t. There is no middle ground.

Laws, or no laws? Of course there is a middle ground. To everything. – Garth

#55 SW on 01.10.21 at 2:07 pm

#10 Comments! on 01.10.21 at 12:28 pm
‘In 2020, the year of Satan, this blog published just over 66,500 comments.’
“Yes 63777 came from Dolce Vita and Faron.”

Good thing too, gurl! One is funny and the other is useful.

#56 baloney Sandwitch on 01.10.21 at 2:08 pm

Some one asked, “who decides”, well its the owner of the media. In this case it is you. Thats alright with me. I think we need to go further and hold the owners of the media legally responsible if they propagate lies and harm results. It is foreseeable. Facebook, Twiter etc. let Trump lie for years while they made money, and now suddenly they feel that they must stop. Why not earlier? why should they get away for delaying? The law must be changed.

#57 SW on 01.10.21 at 2:08 pm

…as for “Opiate of the masses”, clearly some of us do need to be sedated.

#58 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 2:13 pm

I have no problem with private entities choosing who will use their services. Of course a blog owner should be allowed to choose/censor/ban who posts what on their blog.

But comparing GreaterFool to Twitter, Instagram, Facebook is, in our esteemed host’s own words “not a balanced comparison”.

If that isn’t obvious, not much point trying to explain how.

Sorry, but as much as I loathe social media, blaming January 6 on Twitter just isn’t going to cut it. Trump is a symptom, not a cause.

Seriously? You believe Congress would have been stormed even if the crowd had not been (a) summoned and (b) incited by one man? Based on what? – Garth

#59 yvr_lurker on 01.10.21 at 2:14 pm

Very interesting post. The issue of what constitutes free-speech is under rather intense debate, and this issue is intimately linked with the growing number of cancel-culture incidents.

I like the guidelines put forth by the University of Chicago on what constitutes free speach on a university campus.

https://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/reports/FOECommitteeReport.pdf

In particular the last two paragraphs of this gives some
push-back to the imposition of cancel-cultureo of deleting people from jobs, speaking engagements, etc.. that some (even small) groups of vocal people may oppose. Cancel-culture in my view is equally problematic as the issue of defining what is and what isn’t free speech. Frankly, this whole topic is a mine-field. Best just to simply nod if someone requests your vviewpoint on controversial issues and hide amongst the masses.

For a recent example (and there are many) of the cancel-culture mobs take a look at

https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-cancel-culture-twitter-mob-comes-to.html

#60 Dave on 01.10.21 at 2:14 pm

Get Donald out before this happens…

https://youtu.be/Tj9M34DzAKo

#61 Diamond Dog on 01.10.21 at 2:18 pm

When I think of Trump Garth, I think of a complete lack of virtue and morality that’s been ongoing for years. Everything Trump says and does preys on the weaknesses of others. His flattery, his discrimination, his indifference and putdowns, we are talking a man who is damaged goods long before he was elected and everyone that enabled him did it for the most part to further their own self interests.

Trump is in reality, a victim and it goes back to his father and silver spoons and enforced supremacy, excessive praise, grandiose expectations from Fred Trumpf… and from that so called idealistic childhood, DJ Trump grew up to become a deeply conflicted man.

Trump has NPD (narcissistic Personality Disorder), he should have never been chosen as a leader of a party much less leader of the most powerful nation on Earth, his enablers are just as much to blame or more so, its a long list from FOX news and Rupert Murdock (who flipped finally but way late) and Rush Limbaugh to the party itself, its donors and politicians, look at the number of congressmen who still support him even now.

There is such a major disconnect to the recognition of what is healthy and diseased in this world, it blows my mind. How can people be so easily persuaded, so easily led, easily victimized, its not just because we aren’t psychologically aware of mental health issues as we should be, it’s because many of us don’t want to know. It gets in the way of our own self interests, even just preferences and routine as voters.

We hear for example how much Trump did by way of policy that is good like America first (wreaks of privilege and superiority complex, an international trade PR disaster is what it is) or deregulation, lets talk about those lies for a moment. Trump lowered gas mileage regulations for new cars and trucks, rolling them back 11% I think it is less than what they were in 2016. If it was 36 mpg for cars, now it’s 32.

Good for the car manufacturers? Not at all, their designs or modified to hit these targets, its just one design change to fit another and consumers will bail on their inefficiencies and manufactured bad reputations when they can. Good for the O & G industry? Who else, it’s more than 40% of Republican donor base money and because of this increased consumption, there is more air pollution not just in the world but concentrated in the cities. “Cleaner air, cleaner water” during the election, its just lies.

We may not see it overnight but the rises in carbon monoxide and Benzines and other cancer causers and life shorteners will take it’s toll in the gen pop over time. Get rich quick policy at everyone else’s expense is what it is. Cities are democratic voters, wouldn’t you be with national policies like this?

The CDC came out with diabetes rates among adults last summer, 10.36% of all U.S. adults have diabetes. A whopping full third of the rest of the U.S. adult population has pre-diabetes. If you are diagnosed with diabetes at 55, your life expectation just got shorter by 5 to 10 years. Diagnosed younger? Knock more years off. When it comes to years of life, Diabetes is putting Covid19 to shame.

8 of the 12 leading causes of death in the U.S. right now on any given day are directly caused by the food manufacturing industry writing the regulations and law that govern the sector and the leading abused food additive is sugar because its addictive and cheap. It’s found in 75% of all manufactured foods, it’s obscene and it’s been going on for 50 years or more. What was Trump’s solution? Cheap insulin:

https://www.healthline.com/health/leading-causes-of-death#liver-diseases

There’s a health care debate in the U.S. as to whether to go public or stay private. Maybe the U.S. should just have a debate on health itself. The shit they have to swallow in the food supply (that spills over by trade to the global population world wide), the shit air they have to breathe from greedy big oil and the shitty mental health that greeders and power mongers at any cost would hitch a ride to an NPD Trump train that we know wouldn’t end well but as long as everyone gets their envisioned cut right? Will anything change with new leaders in power? Do they have a clue of what they are doing, is the U.S. finally ready for a debate on health itself? We’re due.

Once again, it’s going to sound corny on a blog like this, but its worth repeating. U.S. politics lost it’s way because a ruling party lost it’s virtue. On one hand we’ve got equality that can’t be achieved without love which is dependent on forgiveness that relies on unity which can only hold together with truth. They are intertwined, inseparable. Equality, love, forgiveness, oneness, truth, without these virtues we can’t have peace.

We can’t have that peace when the opposites of virtue, inequality (discrimination), hatred, grudges, division and lies reign supreme because these opposites only lead to war/conflict and we can see through history who is at peace and who is at war quite easily as those who are peace are out to help others better themselves voluntarily without conditions. They serve like it’s their second nature… while those who are war are self serving and conflicted. We can spot those in conflict a mile away so easily because they are always either beating themselves up or looking for a fight.

True leaders, not posers and impostors like Trump so obviously filled with conflict but true Alphas, they aren’t out to preserve a brand. Brands come and go and their meanings can change as quickly as the winds behind the drifting sands of time. No, true Alpha’s are out to preserve what can’t be erased or hidden and that’s the eternal sets of virtues, their ideals and their ways of life that in every way lead to peace.

The video below is Democrat fluff piece but there’s one moment there I’d like readers to take in at the 13:52 mark that is spontaneous, the kind of response a true leader just can’t fake, not like this. There is hope for a better tomorrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqWHCpEogmY&t=827s

#62 calgaryPhantom on 01.10.21 at 2:21 pm

Twitter banning trump is the beginning of end of social media as we know it. Censorship was already happening on these apps in the name of curated content.Now, having another filter on top of it, to censor speech, would just make the polarization problem worse.
Showing people what they want to hear/see, is the number one reason of a polarized society.

#63 MF on 01.10.21 at 2:29 pm

78 millmech on 01.10.21 at 10:04 am
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/tasha-kheiriddin-why-you-might-want-to-hurry-back-to-the-office-before-its-gone/wcm/0af91c2c-5228-4501-bc6d-4ab87a633764
Now the up and coming generations can blame those entitled Millennials and how they have it so good, seeing quite a few articles on this now.

-We have actually been dealing with outsourcing since the 1990’s, when millennials were babies. This isn’t a new threat nor is it the fault of millennials in any way.

By the way, the article did say the best and brightest worker will always thrive…which is what everyone has been saying for the entire time. If someone can’t be productive at home, then that’s their problem.

MF

#64 SWL on 01.10.21 at 2:31 pm

The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it

Between the radical left and radical right, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. Society has now become too damn sensitive to be able to sift through the rubble to bother even finding the truth

Also likely by design

We are collectively sliding down a very slippery slope and history has proven to be very clear what lies at the bottom

The only questions left are how far have we slidden, how fast are we sliding, and what end are we closer to???

I also think collectively we are too scared to handle the truth…

And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth, but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow members
Club “We’ve got ours”
I’d like to introduce you to our host
He’s got his and I’ve got mine
Meet the decline

NoFX – Circa 1999

2020 they year we lost all logic. R.I.P – You are already sorely missed

#65 Coho on 01.10.21 at 2:39 pm

Politics and religion have very strong programming. These can be very divisive as we have seen through history. They cause just as much if not more bad than good.

Friend and family relationships can break up over disagreements on politics and religion, such is the power these institutions have over many people.

Unfortunately many people still look to their “leaders” to lead them. They are desperate to believe in someone to do the right thing for the people and country. But, where are they? All we get, especially in the USA, is theatre. Granted, it is not politics as usual especially in the USA and the country has been further weakened because of it.

Twitter, in my opinion, did not create Trump. It was political theatre that people began to see through. Politicians pointing fingers at each other, debating, criticizing and accusing, yet nothing coming of it. A successful game they have been forever playing for peoples’ consumption, their rhetoric was increasingly ringing hollow. Of course it is the unseen grunts that take care of the daily affairs of the country.

The media could not get enough of T. He was attacked from all sides and he has brilliantly played the victim which has endeared him to many and raised him as a champion of the people in many eyes. He has rope-a-doped his way through. We can argue that without CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc, there would be no T. It’s like they poked a hole in the hornet’s nest and complaining about getting stung. Where is the accountability?

We hear many instances of well-meaning people aiming and willing to truly serve their constituents finding out very quickly that their allegiance must lie with the party and our “elected dictator” who is atop it rather than the people. In fact in our country allegiance is to the Queen whose interests may not always align with average Canadians.

Peoples minds are being affected. We are misled from all sides. There is no “right” way to vote or right thing to believe when in a democracy. Different opinions should be respected and tolerated. The “You’re either with us or against us” mantra has no place in free societies. Yet, group think is being pushed, but ah…not every group think, but the “right” group think. This is very dangerous. This is why the USA was founded as a democratic republic, which ensures the protection of minorities. In a pure democracy there can be mob rule where 51% of the people could silence the other 49%.

We have two major groups it seems in American politics, the pro Trump and the never Trump. The pro T see him as a non-politician which is/was a welcome change from the usual all talk no action politicos. This is understandable. The never T see him as an egoistic bombastic bull (and many other things) going against the entrenched powers. This trait brought about his cheerleaders and his haters. One could argue that T is a shark that dared to swim into a swamp filled with piranhas. Piranhas bad, yes, but shark is too!

It appears that either group has the potential to cause much harm to the country, each group thinking it is righteous in its beliefs. And politics with media fans the flames manipulating the masses into persecution of groups, racism and wars of all kinds.

With polarization and radicalization of people to the degree it is today, the issue of free speech has become even more complicated.

#66 truefacts on 01.10.21 at 2:42 pm

“In any case, questions remain. When is free speech unworthy of freedom?” – Garth

Freedom of speech is fundamental to democracy – esp. speech one might disagree with. The current trend is to label anything one doesn’t like as “hate” speech – and silence it thru various means (public tsk-tsking, human “rights” commissions, invasive gov’t laws, etc.

“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell

This blog is sort of your personal space (like your house, imo) – so you have the right to delete comments that don’t correspond to your worldview (and you do)… but I think that approach would be more applauded in the Liberal circles where you finished your political career than in Conservative circles where you started.

#67 DON on 01.10.21 at 2:42 pm

The line in the sand for me is inciting violence using any platform against any peoples. Not allowed for obvious reasons. Twitter and FaceBook can be replaced…the programming ain’t rocket science, nor is the business model. My kids and their friends could care less about facebook, twitter. People get bored and move on…life is too short to live inside.

The main problems.

Hard to hide the wealth divide and associated issues that have been growing for the last 4 decades – a recuring issue througout time. That will not stop regardless of Trump being around. Trump now has a substantial following will he use it and how our the main questions. Based on his personality he could set up his own medium and play the silly bugger role and critique every move Biden makes.

Media oulets publishing stories before they have all the facts. Lack of journalism…big problem as it has been realized as a truth. Fact checking seems to be an after thought…’breaking news’ is all that seems to matter in some media organizations.

75 million voices, disgruntled for various reasons and Trump was/is their lightning rode. A point of convergence. We saw this coming…we even saw Trump’s exit…but are shocked that it actually happened.

People should watch Hilter’s rise to power…put a radio in every house to reach his audience to further misinform in an effort to nuture discontent. The intent os not to compare men’ but to compare context.

History repeats…new tools…but repeats as human nature and the ‘cycle of corruption’ occurs over and over again. We are not unique…just technology advanced…less we forget.

Will a guy like Trump stick around and continue to be the lighting rode? I believe he will…his personality begs him to as long as he has those supporters. He may even do it to satisfy his vindictive tendencies or at least to justify he exit.

The hypocrisy on both sides is what is creating our future. Division exists between the disciplines ( science, social science, engineerng etc) that all combine to make our world what it is or what it can be. Any well balanced thought incorporates all disciplines and practical solutions take all into all considerations. Put yourself in their shoes before you come to your final conclusion.

Laziness prevents people from researching the past. For instance the Spanish Flu. While not exactly the same context, some lessons can be learned. One is…it is hard to run from something you can’t see (virus).

Leading by example is what we need to focus on going forward.

#68 Brian Ripley on 01.10.21 at 2:43 pm

Governor Schwarzenegger’s Message Following this Week’s Attack on the Capitol
Youtube (7.38min):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P-0I6sAck

Real Estate?
My Plunge-O-Meter charts are up:
http://www.chpc.biz/plunge-o-meter.html

#69 slick on 01.10.21 at 2:44 pm

I unnerstand this is Garths playground, and he can take his ball and call the shots. But he shows no quarter to those who disagree about Trump, Covid, masks, climate, or anything else he has an opinion on.
I am not a fan of Trump, or his mannerisms. He has not been a good neighbour to Canada. But trump did what he said he was going to do, or at least tried.

Interesting interview with Conrad Black. [another guy with questionable integrity]

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/the-u-s-is-in-a-sharp-decline-and-canada-can-pick-up-the-slack-conrad-black~2113260

#70 heloguy on 01.10.21 at 2:46 pm

The problem is the media outlets and the narrative they provide. There was a time when they presented the facts and only the facts. There was no conjecture about what could or might happen. Opinion pieces were rare. Media outlets are now profit driven crap machines that spew out opinions/clickbait in order to get viewers and help sell advertising. Completely driven by the almighty dollar. Is there a solution? I don’t know, but for myself I am more critical of what I read and follow.

https://towardsdatascience.com/how-statistically-biased-is-our-news-f28f0fab3cb3

#71 Phylis on 01.10.21 at 2:59 pm

#39 Prince Polo on 01.10.21 at 1:25 pm
Maybe what we learn from all of this is that, the owner of any online platform is considered a publisher, and therefore, has the duty & burden to decide what kinds of mini-editorials are allowed to be published on that space….
Xxxxxxx
The distinct legal interpretation of the two is the crux of the problem already. 230. Platform vs Publisher.

#72 Bloff Witzer You're in the sitatation cloakroom on 01.10.21 at 3:01 pm

We will see in the next couple of years. The fuse has already been lit on the crazies down there. Trump was taken down way to late. These fools are emboldened by their attack on the capital, to them it was a huge success. Much violence will unfold in the future unfortunately.
Where were the supposed leaders who should have been screaming that everything the rubes were being fed were lies. These people believe deeply that the election was rigged, stolen and that Pence could have changed the results on Wednesday. The orange menace has them convinced that they are all victims who will soon have their guns taken and be forced to live in socialism. Really it has far more to do with their fear that the white man is losing his grasp on the power they have always held.
By the way Twitter put me in the penalty box before Trump because they thought I was to hard on him. I just called him a liar constantly (like on all of his posts). I can come out if I give them my phone number, not likely. He can’t go back on ever. I can start a new account, he can’t.

#73 Bla bla bla on 01.10.21 at 3:04 pm

I never read any comments longer than 3 lines.

#74 SunShowers on 01.10.21 at 3:16 pm

The people who are complaining that social media companies overstepped and are infringing on free speech are the same ones who defended the supposed rights of conservative Christian bakery owners to deny services to a gay couple.

So do private businesses have a right to decide whom they serve, or don’t they? Pick one, you can’t have both.

And might I add that it’s far less ethical and legally defensible to deny services to someone for being gay than it is to deny services to someone for being a racist lying blowhard.

If you think that social media companies like Facebook and Twitter have gotten so big and influential that the decisions they make regarding provisions of their services need to balance their own rights as private businesses and the NATIONAL INTEREST, maybe they need to be broken up or nationalized.

#75 Doc on 01.10.21 at 3:25 pm

#51 Stone
…14 years of post secondary education…

You do mean 14 years of schooling, right?

I like the quote, I don’t let my schooling get in the way of my education.

Don’t know why people constantly equate going to school as education. Is it maybe due to an inferiority complex?

I agree with you that schooling is quite different from education. Commenters on this blog make generalizations about conservatives or Trump supporters being ignorant such as one commenter stating he doubts they can even spell their own name. I am just presenting the fact that millions of his supporters are, rather inconveniently for liberal demagogues, actually bonafide nice people with intelligence who simply express a different point of view. I have never been accused of having what Jung termed an inferiority complex but its opposite is pretty much standard for our political “leaders”.

#76 Mr Squiggle on 01.10.21 at 3:25 pm

This is an age old question.

Facebook and Twitter are not public service functions, they are non-government, privately owned corporations.

They can ban who/what/when they choose. So can Garth.

If someone has a difficult point to make, they should find an articulate way to make the point, something which is thought provoking instead of inciting violence.

Anyway, it seemed to me that the Capitol Riot wasn’t triggered by comments on Twitterbook.

A riot needs a spark, not just simmering in the background. Trump kicked things off the old fashioned way, one man alone on a platform, in front of a crowd.

That speech got plenty of airtime, so I’m not that fussed if he’s lost his Twitter account. He has many other channels open to him.

#77 SimplyPut7 on 01.10.21 at 3:38 pm

Social media companies need to have standard settings that make it easy to filter out things you are not interested in.

For example, YouTube has a ‘Not Interested’, ‘Don’t recommend’ and ‘Report’ hyperlink on top of the dislike button. This makes life so easy.

I rarely see something that disturbs me. The problem with most of the other social media sites is they make more money the more people view each other’s messages. They don’t care to live in peace and harmony and probably only deleted Trump’s account to avoid a hearing at a Democratic committee as to why they never removed his account.

As for the extreme left and right, there are bigger problems under the surface of each side that have nothing to do with Trump but more with people can see their standard of living going down. What their parents’ accomplished at the same age (e.g. owning a detached house, lower debt levels, savings) is far different from what they are able to accomplish, no matter how many hours they work. They would have to move far away to enjoy the same standard of living and they don’t want to do that.

We’ll probably see more trouble brew after the $2,000 ($1400 extra) cheques run out as there is not enough money being printed by the fed or handed out by the federal government to solve everyone’s problem simultaneously.

#78 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 3:47 pm

Laws, or no laws? Of course there is a middle ground. To everything. – Garth
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Exactly. Elected officials pass laws and the courts decide what is free speech and what is hate speech. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

The system that we have now is that former Starbucks baristas are now deciding on who gets free speech and what they get to say. We need to do better.

We don’t want privatized health care, but we’re OK with privatized free speech???

#79 Paul on 01.10.21 at 3:47 pm

#7 unbalanced on 01.10.21 at 12:19 pm
Don the clown told us to drink a little bleach with some water. Wonder how many did.
————————————————————————————————
Your blog name suits you!

PolitiFact’s ruling: Mostly False.

Here’s why: Joe Biden criticized President Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, saying during a speech on the economy that Trump had given up trying to manage a crisis he’s ill equipped to solve.

“And when it comes to COVID-19, after months of doing nothing, other than predicting the virus would disappear, or maybe if you drank bleach you may be okay, Trump has simply given up,” said Biden, who delivered his remarks at a metalworks factory near his hometown of Scranton on Thursday.

Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.

Trump said: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it’d be interesting to check that.” – Garth

#80 Joe Schmoe on 01.10.21 at 3:59 pm

I dislike social media for two reasons:

1) Anonymity does not equal free speech. You should be accountable for what you say (as I type with an Alias…haha),and have the right to say it.

2) One person’s published opinions should not support limiting another’s rights/liberties. That should be heavily moderated.

I respect that Garth tries to moderate this dumpster fire of a comment section, but I would delete many more than he does.

#81 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.10.21 at 4:04 pm

What is Freedom..
Depends on who you’re referring to.
For some, it is being allowed to walk without a yoke.
For some , it is really just an illusion. (Seagull, I don’t need your wings. I don’t need your Freedom in a lie. – Donovan
For others, it’s just being free of the burden of earthly possessions. (Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.- Cris Christofferson.
For some, it’s the right to own 20 guns, or to mow your lawn at 7:00 in the morning.
And for some, it’s just as simple as being able to chose between 20 toothpastes that are all pretty much the same.

Be “free” to add to the list.

#82 DON on 01.10.21 at 4:09 pm

@Diamond Dog

13:54 …. I see what you mean.

Always a pleasure to read your comments word for word.

#83 BoomersAreHopeless on 01.10.21 at 4:15 pm

The Nazi comparisons are laughable. The history of WWII was written by the victors and naturally is skewed. The people raised on the American post-war mythology are unable to understand that the Nazis were a reaction to the attempts of the Communists to stage revolutions in Europe. They were mirror-image Reds in Brown shirts. Mussolini, of course, starting out as a Communist. The reds came first and the browns answered them. International socialism vs national socialism.

Communism is a more useful comparison for what we are witnessing.

It’s not Trump and his bumbling hillbillies who are a threat to most people. It’s the people with actual power. Global corporations, corporate media, Wall Street, CIA/NSA, big tech, globalist establishments like the UN, WHO.

People who enable and sympathize with China who y’know actually have concentration camps in which they sterilize ethnic minority women. People who use the tactics of China to suppress a virus and call anyone (even scientists) who dispute the lack of evidence to the effect of masks as “anti-maskers”.

Nice defence of Hitler. Just a dude warding off the commies. – Garth

#84 just a dude on 01.10.21 at 4:22 pm

“ Should responsible social media companies – or pathetic blog proprietors – impose standards and ethical guidelines which justify silencing some voices? Is there a greater good that moral people need to protect?”

A resounding “YES” and YES”! It’s a slippery slope to absolute chaos otherwise.

Garth, thank you for all that you do.

#85 Bill on 01.10.21 at 4:24 pm

DELETED. Anti-vax.

#86 leebo on 01.10.21 at 4:25 pm

Garth,

Is it really the freedom of speech that is in question? Not sure when you got into the free speech provider business.

IMO, you are making a great product (your daily blog) that people like yours truly visit in equal parts for entertainment, your wisdom, occasional emotional support, and dog pics.

There used to be a useful comments section that enhanced the blog by providing a variety of views and opinions on the subject. Some posts were better researched than others, but the overall contribution was positive.

Now the comment section fell victim to its own success. It attracted some weird people and turned into a fractious irrelevant boring circlejerk. Some sort of a political-investment incel congregation.

Of course, it’s pointless to try and keep everybody 100% on the subject, but some intervention could be beneficial.

#87 WTF on 01.10.21 at 4:26 pm

Lock Him Up!

Been waiting for 4 years to say that. Bonespur is a sociopath. He doesn’t give a rats ass about anything but himself.

#dangerousbuffoon

#88 millmech on 01.10.21 at 4:31 pm

#63 MF
Your right about the best and brightest, my plant outsourced them. The three critical pieces of equipment in our main plant are all proprietary to the company that supplies them. Any issue with tech is a phone call/text/email away and included in the price of the equipment. If the problem is not quickly solvable online a tech is dispatched to come to our plant and troubleshoot the issue within eight hours. We have no need for tech workers as it is embedded in the price, which I bet is a lot less than what a Canadian worker costs. When the machine needs to be replaced it is boxed up and sent back and a brand new modular piece of equipment is installed. Some of our former tech workers were ex Nortel and some of the best in the business, they believed they were irreplaceable, not according to the company.
This is the way of the future, keep cutting costs in a globally competitive environment. If you ever tour any new large manufacturing plant you will find that this is the way tech is going. Just ask anyone in manufacturing who thought they were the brightest and the best and could not be replaced(forestry and automotive manufacturing). The moment you think you can not be out sourced it becomes your blind spot.
There are many companies now out sourcing their finance/accounting departments to South America now, it is a brave new world and it is all about the dollar.
Eastern Europe is now an up and coming source for tech works and are learning fast to be competitive globally.
MF are your skills among the best globally?
As one poster loved to say here “change be part of it or be run over by it”.

#89 Nicky on 01.10.21 at 4:33 pm

100% agree.
The results of “rights fighters” of the west has become glaringly obvious during this pandemic. More people concerned with their individual rights than the good of the community. No wonder our citizens are so miserable, anxious and getting by on antidepressants. What would happen IF we started to care more about our neighbors, the elderly, the sick than ourselves? Our grandparents sure did when they went to war! Censorship? Yes, if the result of the speech or action is violence or harm against others.

#90 LiarTrump on 01.10.21 at 4:37 pm

Never made sense to me why Trump supporters didn’t realize they were duped into marching to the Capitol without Trump who had promised to.

Or jobs that never came back to America.
Or building of a wall.

I guess it shows the intelligence of people
Who continue to believe liars even though the facts are
Presented to them.

Sad but typical

#91 The West on 01.10.21 at 4:41 pm

I think you’ve done a commendable job as moderator. Anything that has not been insulting, racist or belligerent in nature has been allowed. That’s all “freedom” can be.

Be careful though – be careful that the mainstream isn’t getting away from us though. If you think the establishment of the western world doesn’t have its own agenda to promote (and yes, it is just an anti-human as those you speak out against) you are mistaken.

Also, it is downright foolish to think that chasing the “Pro-Trumpers” to the end of the world is a good idea. I will note there have been zero arrests after the BLM burning down of law-abiding citizens’ small businesses and livelihoods. Why is that? Both ran afoul of the law – why was one promoted as a social good and one draws the ire of the judicial system? If we have “freedom” justice must be blind. By persecuting the frustrated we are only calling bigger, and more spectacular retaliation.

Remember, for every action there is an opposite, equal reaction.

If you wish to be honest, you will also admit if the Jan. 6th crowd had been black, the scene would have been explosively different with a vigorous and violent police response. It has been reported Trump asked the National Guard to stand down last Wednesday and was pleased with the course of events. – Garth

#92 Ustabe on 01.10.21 at 4:41 pm

Olive Garden has now rescinded Trump’s bread sticks for life card. Shopify has cancelled his privileges. And worst of all PornHub has booted him off their site.

On a more sinister note read an interesting thread earlier…the US must assume that foreign actors were a part of the Capitol invasion crew and therefor every computer, every cord, every peripheral, every anything that has a Flash drive or contains Bluetooth or could in any conceivable manner be compromised must be either destroyed or completely rebuilt. It was the writer’s opinion that would be in the very high multi millions of dollars…maybe more depending on what they find.

Oh, video has now been found of the crowd beating the policemen that died with a fire extinguisher. Ripping his helmet off his head and carrying it like a trophy. While others continue to beat on him, including one patriot who uses an American flag and pole to do so.

Those on this blog who continue to defend these people should be ashamed of themselves.

#93 BoomersAreHopeless on 01.10.21 at 4:42 pm

#83 BoomersAreHopeless

No justification just to some balance to show that you can’t mobilize an entire country and political movement on nothing. They were a mirror reaction to something already happening. Similarly to how Trump’s mob was a mirror of all the left-wing mobs we saw all year (well maybe not on CNN). Political street violence was normalized by the Bolsheviks and Communists and then adopted by Mussolini under nationalist policies instead of internationalist.

The right isn’t that creative. It’s the exploratory left who pioneer tactics which the right then later uses for itself more effectively because they’re better at certain types of organization.

Trying to justify the storming of the Capital and overturning the election with references to Black Lives Matters protests is irrelevant. One mob does not justify another. You have polluted this blog for months with you anti-mask and anti-vax comments using a variety of screen names. Now you are done here. – Garth

#94 joblo on 01.10.21 at 4:43 pm

“Some people wonder just what we have wrought.”

I wonder if people had confidence in Governments and Media if it would be different?

#95 Figmund Sreud on 01.10.21 at 4:44 pm

Should responsible social media companies – or pathetic blog proprietors – impose standards and ethical guidelines which justify silencing some voices?
______________________

Should? Who is stopping them now, or before? They have been imposing such action for decades, … and will continue until we nix them!

It was all legitimized by Edward Barneys, … the very original mind-moulder! Yes, … that guy, it was he who suggested the concession to the common man, “People are entitled to the choices we give them.

Anyway, … I’m sure you have heard of the story:

“Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the fairest of them all?”

“Thou, O Queen, art the fairest in the land”, … said the mirror.

… enough said.

Best,
F.S. – Calgary, Alberta.

#96 Hawk on 01.10.21 at 4:45 pm

1 Austruck on 01.10.21 at 12:01 pm
Garth,
The real question is who gets to decide which speech is moral and which isn’t.

==========

The people who think they are God, until the time comes when he shows them conclusively that they are NOT HIM.

Twitter, Facebook, and all the giants are NOT people running a private blog unlike Garth, who is one private individual owner of a specific platform.

They DO have a duty to equity and fairness in permitting freedom of speech, in exactly the same way the utility company cannot shut off —–(well theoretically since now, we are losing all inalienable rights it could happen)—–your power supply, because they disagree with your political views.

Anyone who believes its only about one man, or that it will stop now that he has been silenced is deluded beyond belief. Endless conservative voices are being drowned and eradicated everywhere, and it will become worse. The latest is Biden suggesting conservative republican senators are like Nazis. Basically it’s an extinction of all right of centre dialogue.

But the interesting thing about all who believe in repression is they miscalculate when it will eventually turn on them. As the famous saying in Boston’s town square goes:

“First they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because, I was not a Jew.

Then they came for…………….

………..till one day they came for me and there was
no one left to speak out for me.

Nobody is silencing conservative voices just because they’re conservative. The issue is moral and socially acceptable behaviour. Spare us the drama of martyrdom. – Garth

#97 macduff on 01.10.21 at 4:47 pm

Free speech is an important component of democracy. However, free speech has also contributed significantly to the misinformation and conspiracy theories around COVID and possibly contributed to countless needless deaths. On social media, everyone’s voice is equal whether they are epidemiologists or whack jobs with a grade 2 education who come up with conspiracy theories or perpetuate the idea of a “plandemic”. Meanwhile, as actions are taken to mitigate the worsening pandemic, medical experts are vilified for fanning the flames of panic despite many of their predictions coming true. I believe that there should be limits to free speech when there is significant potential for harm to society.

#98 Jake on 01.10.21 at 4:53 pm

While everyone debates free speech, who will pay for the lives lost?

#99 mark on 01.10.21 at 4:57 pm

I wouldn’t lay the blame solely at the feet of twitter. It started on Fox News.

#100 SadStateOfAffairs on 01.10.21 at 4:57 pm

BANNED

#101 gimme stuff on 01.10.21 at 4:58 pm

More relief happening this week – like trillions?

#102 Ustabe on 01.10.21 at 5:01 pm

Trump has always had and continues to have access to the US people. Its called the Press Room. Call a press conference and everyone from CNN to Fox and all the accredited (which the White House does) journalists from far left to far right will be there.

For sturdy, tough, conservative folks there sure is a lot of whinging and angst going on here.

#103 Regjeg on 01.10.21 at 5:03 pm

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”
S. Kierkegaard

#104 David Prokop on 01.10.21 at 5:04 pm

Heads up, the government is after your money
I have a small consulting business that I do part-time.
On Friday CRA left me a message, they wanted to talk?!
I have a friend who’s a part-time realtor and he got similar call last week too.
This tells me that after doubling our national debt in few months, Mr. Socks is desperately looking for additional sources of income and he’s going after the small guys like me.

#105 Flop... on 01.10.21 at 5:14 pm

As an Australian/Canadian I struggle daily to communicate with my form of Aunglish.

I’m pretty sure it’s the U.S Capitol, not Capital…

M46BC

#106 UCC on 01.10.21 at 5:16 pm

#88 millmech on 01.10.21 at 4:31 pm
#63 MF
[i]Your right about the best and brightest, my plant outsourced them. [b][Good stuff deleted][/b]… This is the way of the future, keep cutting costs in a globally competitive environment. ….The moment you think you can not be out sourced it becomes your blind spot.
There are many companies now out sourcing their finance/accounting departments to South America now, it is a brave new world and it is all about the dollar.
Eastern Europe is now an up and coming source for tech works and are learning fast to be competitive globally.
MF are your skills among the best globally?
As one poster loved to say here “change be part of it or be run over by it”.[/i]

Canada needs to understand that we are in a competition globally and we are loosing. Raising taxes and attacking small business isn’t going to cut it. There is an outsourcing market to help outsourcer outsource more. Labour arbitrage is only part of the reason, regulation and high taxation are others. When you can do surgery across the pond without getting on a plane, what make you sure your job isn’t on the line?

#107 Leo Trollstoy on 01.10.21 at 5:17 pm

Twitter, Google, and Apple have crossed a dangerous line

They are now the arbiters of truth

Shadows of Nazi Germany indeed

#108 Chimingin on 01.10.21 at 5:19 pm

Apocalypse – OMG, would you give it a rest? I’ve read PREPARE so many times from your ludicrous posts I could scream, and probably have.

#109 Flop... on 01.10.21 at 5:21 pm

I only saw the advert for a couple of seconds, but I think Nancy Pelosi is on 60 minutes tonight showing her smashed up office.

I’m not sure what she is going to demand.

I’m not taking any chances, I already made her my successor holder of my TFSA, and beneficiary of all my other financial accounts…

M46BC

#110 Oracles on 01.10.21 at 5:22 pm

I want to see a town house listing yesterday near the upper edges of Richmond Hill, house listed for 900k, agent said it will probably sell for 1.1-1.2m, even though there is no open house, cars were one after the other with their agents waiting for a showing. Crazy in a pandemic that house prices are going like this, in North York 90% of the people I know could not afford the houses they bought 10 years ago if they had to buy now without any built-up home equity. We are two working parents who cannot afford these prices as we have rented for a bit. Either these people are all the top 1% of wage earners, come from wealthy families, have some kind of house equity already from selling a smaller house or condo or are just willing to take on a huge amount of debt. How is this good for society in the future, people in Toronto who do not have any of the above traits will eventually say why do I have to work so hard when I still cannot afford anything, people will choose a job that makes them happy instead. Jeremy Grantham is saying that the stock market bubble could pop spring – late summer, maybe this will eventually make homes cheaper, but so far I have been proven wrong on this front, people will eventually need cheaper homes we cannot keep on selling to each other higher priced homes forever.

#111 Dave on 01.10.21 at 5:25 pm

The stifling of speech is scary, especially given the clear bias shown on media platforms, both left and right. Debate is the antidote and there is no platform (I know of) for that at the moment

#112 Barb on 01.10.21 at 5:27 pm

The two blog photos alone had the hair on my neck bristling.

#113 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 01.10.21 at 5:35 pm

In the past there was the Uniparty, known variously as the Republocrats or the Demopublicans, depending on how people viewed things.

Then, along came that Great American Hero, Donald J. Trump, who took over the Republocrat party to use for his agenda to Make America Great Again (MAGA) and to Keep America Great (KAG).

If The Swamp is able to drown out The Donald’s voice, things will revert back to the way they were in the past, only worse. The Demopublican party will see to it that there is no real choice at the voting booth.

#114 Ken R on 01.10.21 at 5:35 pm

Opinion is no substitute for facts. Therein lies the problem with social media.

#115 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 5:35 pm

@#75 Bla bla
“I never read any comments longer than 3 lines”

++++

Do your lips get tired?

#116 henry on 01.10.21 at 5:39 pm

The “truth” brings real freedom… not too serve our
selfish desires … but to serve others.

#117 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 5:39 pm

#58 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 2:13 pm
I have no problem with private entities choosing who will use their services. Of course a blog owner should be allowed to choose/censor/ban who posts what on their blog.

But comparing GreaterFool to Twitter, Instagram, Facebook is, in our esteemed host’s own words “not a balanced comparison”.

If that isn’t obvious, not much point trying to explain how.

Sorry, but as much as I loathe social media, blaming January 6 on Twitter just isn’t going to cut it. Trump is a symptom, not a cause.

Seriously? You believe Congress would have been stormed even if the crowd had not been (a) summoned and (b) incited by one man? Based on what? – Garth

===============================

I did not make it clear that my “Trump as symptom versus cause” was referring to the past 4+ years, not just January 6. Of course I do think Trump incited the crowd.

But if we’re blaming T solely for the storming, why such copious media use of the terms “coup”, “insurrection”, “attack on democracy” as that would imply something planned beforehand.

Or are we supposed to believe the US was nearly overthrown ad hoc by a group led by a guy with facepaint and horns on his head?

Personally I didn’t really get a criminal mastermind precision government overthrow plot vibe from the whole thing. More like just a sad, unnecessary, pointless sh!tshow.

#118 YVR 60% Crash on 01.10.21 at 5:42 pm

Twitter has become a ‘theatre for international conflict’

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6213247059001

I guest it depend on who does Twitter likes or dislike. Lol!

#119 ken on 01.10.21 at 5:46 pm

DELETED. Plagiarism.

#120 paul on 01.10.21 at 5:48 pm

DELETED

#121 SadStateOfAffairs on 01.10.21 at 5:51 pm

BANNED

#122 Barb on 01.10.21 at 5:52 pm

#90 LiarTrump on 01.10.21 at 4:37 pm

“Never made sense to me why Trump supporters didn’t realize they were duped into marching to the Capitol without Trump who had promised to.”

——————————
Likely their IQs match their ages.

#123 gfd on 01.10.21 at 5:57 pm

The embattled Trump administration has just nuked the decades-long US recognition of the “One China” policy status quo in what surely constitutes the biggest shot across Beijing’s bow after months of anti-China escalation.

Despite the globe’s attention focused on the Capitol protest chaos and Democrats readying a charge to impeach under Pelosi, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Saturday announced this absolute bombshell, namely that he’s now lifting “self-imposed restrictions” on the relationship between the United States and Taiwan.

The US will no longer act in accord with viewing the island in the context of a single sovereign China when it comes to relations with Taiwan as has kept the unsteady “peace” for decades.

His statement began by describing the complex impediments restraining US action which have been in effect since at least the 1980’s (since 1979, and outgrowth of Carter’s Taiwan Relations Act) regarding the official ‘One China’ doctrine which he’s just effectively declared null and void:

Taiwan is a vibrant democracy and reliable partner of the United States, and yet for several decades, the State Department has created complex internal restrictions to regulate our diplomats, service members, and other officials’ interactions with their Taiwanese counterparts. The United States government took these actions unilaterally, in an attempt to appease the Communist regime in Beijing. No more.

Crucially the shock announcement comes just ahead of U.S. Ambassador to the UN Kelly Craft’s controversial visit to Taipei, which Beijing has already slammed as a “crazy provocation”.

#124 R on 01.10.21 at 5:58 pm

I am surprised the events of Jan 6 did not lead to many more deaths. If a Capital Building guard took their oath responsibly , he/she could have called a warning ,then empty the weapon into the crowd breaking down the doors. The down side of this action is this would have made the protesters into martyrs, where as now they came across as idiots.

#125 JR on 01.10.21 at 5:59 pm

“The protests you refer to were over deaths that people considered unjustified and in the promotion of racial equality. Most were peaceful, some not. Those events were not designed to overthrow the government or deny the results of an election. Not a balanced comparison. – Garth”

So the ends justify the means?

Where did I say that? The comparison is invalid. – Garth

#126 S.Bby on 01.10.21 at 6:01 pm

#73 Bla bla bla

Same here… it’s my own form of self-censorship.

#127 Drnk citizen on 01.10.21 at 6:02 pm

Was the protest called by Trump? Hasn’t he stopped it immediately as it appeared as some of the protestors are going too far? Haven’t there been democratic supporters among the crowd that entered the Capitol? How come they were left to enter so easily?
Why bother trying to answer tough questions like that? Let’s just ban everyone. It’s interesting how this picture appears the other way around.

#128 dosouth on 01.10.21 at 6:05 pm

I am not sure why such an enamour with the failure in the U.S. I get that it affects the market. But our day to day lives are wrought with COVID overload stats, how we are doing everything wrong and that is main stream media.

Social media has given everyone with a keypad and sense to put words together a platform for decades….and now the world is just waking up? This isn’t Kansas anymore Dorothy and there are many more ‘Trumpers’ in social media incubators waiting to arise…. this will not turn out well – IMHO

#129 Classical Liberal Millennial on 01.10.21 at 6:07 pm

Imagine being a “small government” conservative and wanting to use the might of government to force private corporations into keeping all accounts active.

#130 Linda on 01.10.21 at 6:09 pm

#104 ‘David’ – obviously since the spending taps have been turned on the government will be looking for new sources of revenue. Regarding the phone calls you mention, take care to go onto the Government of Canada website – NOT whatever site/phone number left by your caller – & then contact the official number on that website to make sure your phone call was legitimate & not some scam. Because lately I’ve been receiving texts on my cell informing me I need to contact the CRA regarding my account. Fair enough, except that I have never provided the CRA with my cell phone number in any way, shape or form. So unless you have reason to believe the CCRA has a bone to pick with you I’d go with scam if I were you.

#131 Paul on 01.10.21 at 6:11 pm

Just how does anyone think, Biden and Kamela in the withhouse. The Democrats control the Senate Twitter,Facebook and Amazon censoring speech or shutting it down.Instesd of trying to bring the country and 75 Million voters together the Democrats want to start impeachment proceedings 10 days before the transfer of power. This wont end well.

#132 Blobby on 01.10.21 at 6:12 pm

#1 : This is easy. If your “speech” is fascism, inciting violence, etc – then it’s abhorrent and needs to be censored/removed/etc – same as vaccinating a virus – stop the evil in its tracks.

Otherwise, it’s free to go.

The fact that many “conservatives*” worldwide see this as an “attack on conservatism”, I find to be very worrying.

#133 John on 01.10.21 at 6:18 pm

“#1 Austruck:
I’ll take my chances being free. Thanks. Don’t need you telling me what freedom sounds like.”

When that freedom of speech gets your family killed, will you still be defending the right for those words to be free?

#134 Tron Light on 01.10.21 at 6:21 pm

“Sure, we’ll have Fascism in this country and we’ll call it anti-Fascism.” – Huey Long

#135 Terry on 01.10.21 at 6:39 pm

Hello Garth,

It’s almost ready. The worldwide purge is just about ready to begin. You were a bit early for last Monday but you are after all a former MP.

Good luck too all & God Bless everyone.

#136 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 6:42 pm

@#104 D P
“This tells me that after doubling our national debt in few months, Mr. Socks is desperately looking for additional sources of income and he’s going after the small guys like me.”

++++

Yep.
Inevitable.
Just wait for Freeland ‘s Budget in the Spring.

It’s gonna be a whopper.
Give billions more away in social spending to buy the “poor” vote and tax the crap out of the “rich” vote.

My annual performance bonus was taxed at 55%….and they still cant balance a budget.

Would the last person to bother working over taxed overtime please turn out the lights

#137 CRA SCAM on 01.10.21 at 6:42 pm

Heads up, the government is after your money
I have a small consulting business that I do part-time.
On Friday CRA left me a message, they wanted to talk?!
I have a friend who’s a part-time realtor and he got similar call last week too.
This tells me that after doubling our national debt in few months, Mr. Socks is desperately looking for additional sources of income and he’s going after the small guys like me.

ARE U SURE IT’S CRA AND NOT AN INDIAN OR CHINESE CALL CENTRE SCAM??

#138 Marc Roger on 01.10.21 at 6:43 pm

I’m of the opinion that freedom of speech is the fundamental freedom, the bedrock on which all other freedoms are built.
A rather unpopular opinion…

#139 MCG on 01.10.21 at 6:44 pm

Nobody is silencing conservative voices just because they’re conservative. The issue is moral and socially acceptable behaviour. Spare us the drama of martyrdom. – Garth

The issue is who abrogates the power to decree what is moral and socially acceptable behaviour. The media, the Starbucks barista, the perpetually and easily offended, the mob?

You ask when is free speech not deserving of freedom?
Garth, we won’t have freedom without absolutely free speech. We sealed our fate when some of us decided they don’t want to hear what they don’t like.

Same with all the other BIG choices we always face: individual rights, responsibility, and welfare vs. the collective good, personal philanthropy vs coerced ‘good’, right vs wrong, and so on….

Personally, I believe in protecting all free speech, especially the one that bothers me; that is the only protection I have for my ability to speak freely. How do people do not see this and are clamoring for more curbs on feee speech?

Speech has never been free. Hateful speech is criminal. Stop with the drama. – Garth

#140 Binder Dundat on 01.10.21 at 6:51 pm

When is free speech unworthy of freedom?”

Any individual rights, the right to free speech or otherwise, only extend so far as they start to interfere with other’s rights, such as the need for health and safety.

It’s as simple as that.

#141 MCG on 01.10.21 at 6:51 pm

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#142 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 6:54 pm

Parler doesn’t have a “groups” feature so I don’t know if it would make a very good organizing tool. And they do have a process for removing posts that incite violence, but it depends largely on users flagging the posts. Anyway I am sure they will be back up and running soon enough.

But that said I agree with you moderating this site. It is yours, after all.

Parler, BitChute, Gab, ThinkSpot, and others are seeing record subscriptions in the wake of “the purge”. I don’t see this as a real threat to the big 9 but who knows. Anyone remember MySpace? Tech companies come and go.

#143 Tulip on 01.10.21 at 6:58 pm

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
‘The Who’

#144 ROCK on 01.10.21 at 7:03 pm

Do as i say not as i do . Some Democracy Garth.

Do what you want, but not on my turf. – Garth

#145 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 7:05 pm

Oh and the other thing Gab says they have been dealing with is a bot attack that started in December that keeps creating 1000’s of illegitimate accounts. Somebody is trying to poison the well.

Anyway I really only use YouTube and mostly to watch “fail” videos. I never get bored of watching people compete for Darwin awards.

#146 Kevin BC on 01.10.21 at 7:33 pm

This is a great topic, Garth. I’d recommend reading Professor Scott Galloway’s works too (The Four), they’re insightful.

Freedom of speech is important but NOT absolute. You can’t straight out lie to people without consequences. Nor can you yell fire in a crowded theatre. We need to balance free speech with responsible and truthful speech. Unfortunately, this is easier said than done. We are diverging into two alternative realities, and this is problematic for democratic countries globally.

#147 unbalanced on 01.10.21 at 7:45 pm

Garth. #120 comments . They don’t belong here.

Agreed. Now gone. – Garth

#148 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 7:53 pm

Well, since the options are:

1. Agree that Trump is and always has been horrendous
2. Say nothing, or
3. Mention that young Donnie once gave his mother flowers, and be reminded forthwith that he only did this for his own selfish reasons…

…then I am pleased, nay ecstatic, to steer judiciously clear of the eggshells, and leave an open and thought-provoking comment on the weather.

Pretty wet out today, eh?

#149 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 7:54 pm

Trump said: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it’d be interesting to check that.” – Garth

Not exactly “drink bleach”, but I’ve been consuming a fair amount of the main ingredient in some hand sanitizers and so far no covid, so maybe he was on to something.

#150 Tron Light on 01.10.21 at 7:57 pm

“Exposing the illegal things your government is doing is illegal.” – quote from political cartoon

#151 bellend on 01.10.21 at 7:58 pm

first things first…good job Garth..
now free speecher folks, here’s a suggestion..go right ahead and free speech straight out of the back of your neck….on your OWN web site.
No one is owed any piece of any third party sponsored web site. Posting is a privilege.

#152 MOONSHINE on 01.10.21 at 7:59 pm

#21 Diamond Dog on 01.10.21 at 12:47 pm

Great comment, … 100% d’accord

#153 Wrk.dover on 01.10.21 at 8:02 pm

Garth, your efforts are very much appreciated by me, this is the best place I know of to read interesting viewpoints, until the trolls start belittling each other.

When I try to imagine what it would be like to be you, I get very tired and take a nap.

#154 Drill Baby Drill on 01.10.21 at 8:09 pm

Book burning cuts both ways. Banning the orange bonehead from social media will cut out the legs from under him but what about the next power hungry wack job? I do not see the way out of this conundrum at present.

#155 Anonymous 2 on 01.10.21 at 8:12 pm

This is a really important topic, and a rather problematic one.

When you curtail the outlier voices, how do you find the ones who are right but go against the current?

How would a Galileo or a Darwin be heard?

You lumped together in this post the violent, extreme, armed people who stormed a legislature building, with people who wish to discuss the merit of medical treatment and societal response to a new pathogen.

Trying to curtail armed mobs from taking over the capitol is universally agreed as a good thing. But deleting every Covid-related comment (or other societal comment) that doesn’t agree with you is more problematic.

Those “anti-maskers, Covid deniers, vaccine trashers” never suggested taking up arms and violently capturing public buildings. Most just want to raise some concerns about our societal response to a crisis. The best response if to find the most accurate information and walk them through it.

By the way, you yourself also criticized our societal approach to many crises, this one included (the unaccounted spending, the length of the state-of-emergency that stifled democratic debate in the house etc).
Discussing whether we are responding appropriately is quite important, especially since we are curtailing so many freedoms right now in the name of the public good. We need to remember that those freedoms *are* the actual good we are fighting for.

One quick comment about the vaccine, that I hope you won’t immediately delete (and this is the kind of open, non-inflammatory debate I hope you would allow, and maybe learn something new):
(For the record, I am a vaccinated health care worker)

It is important to remember that while we do use this vaccine now, we are using it under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). The vaccine is still on trial until January 2023. Everyone who choses to take it should be clearly told that.
(link to the trial information. Completion date Jan 27, 2023.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728)

Canada has generally accepted the principals of informed consent in medical care, and of the Helsinki Declaration in medical research (as described in the Tri-Council Poilcy Statement).
Of all the people I know who received the Pfizer vaccine (I work with many nurses, physicians, paramedics), none were informed enough to provide “informed consent”, none were told that the vaccine is still an experimental one, none were told of the risks described by BioNTech for research participants.
For example, the study protocol specifically states that males should not donate sperm or have intercourse with women of reproductive age until 28 days after the second dose.
(See page 132 in the research protocol PDF:
https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf)

Those kind of comments and debates are not fear-mongering. This is being a responsible citizen who understands the risks involved. How come the research protocol states this but this is not told to people who take the vaccine? The answer is *not* because the trial has concluded and found no reproductive risk. The trial is still ongoing, and there has not even been enough time to find any reproductive risk since it has only been a few months. It is also not that there is any risk to tell of either. The risk is simply unknown, and this fact should be disclosed. And until the risk (or lack thereof) is known, this caution (not to have unprotected intercourse) should be told to all vaccine takers.

It is ok to authorize an emergency use for a new drug.
It is not ok to keep the fact it is experimental hidden and quiet, it is not OK to silence the discussion around it. It is simply bad public management.

As a medical professional I am saddened at how quickly we dropped all the democratic, Western values we fought for so hard over centuries. We fought world wars over freedoms that we now swiped under the rug. We signed international treaties that took years to agree upon that we simply ignore. And you identified the cause precisely – the online mob. It unfortunately goes both ways. There is the mob down south that stormed the Capitol Hill, but there is also the mob online that wants no one to die, everyone vaccinated, all nursing homes clean etc etc etc. Sometimes it is the leader that causes the mob to behave badly. Sometime it is the mob that causes the leaders to pander to them against all their values.

So, freedom of speech is not only about the individual freedom to say what you want. It is about people being allowed to question decisions, in a peaceful way, without fear of retribution.
There are many medical professional who are keeping their mouths shut about risks they see simply because they can’t be bothered (and are afraid) to face the mob. We trained them for years, invested in them gaining nuanced intricate knowledge, and we don’t let them speak.

We need to remember that it is exactly this discussion and debate that brought our society to prosperity.

#156 Sara on 01.10.21 at 8:12 pm

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire

#157 Mathew S Gibson on 01.10.21 at 8:26 pm

Anyone who proclaims they believe in complete freedom of speech is lying, or just hasn’t carefully thought through the consequences of it.

#158 vanisle on 01.10.21 at 8:29 pm

What are your thoughts on Catherine Austin Fitts?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Catherine+Austin+Fitts+youtube&docid=608040212945111290&mid=61230664021A7FBB0CBF61230664021A7FBB0CBF&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

#159 Sydneysider on 01.10.21 at 8:31 pm

There are 70M+ Americans who voted for Trump. He is a product of their desire, not the cause of it.

Most likely voted Republican. – Garth

#160 Hookshott on 01.10.21 at 8:32 pm

#131 Paul on 01.10.21 at 6:11 pm
Just how does anyone think, Biden and Kamela in the withhouse. The Democrats control the Senate Twitter,Facebook and Amazon censoring speech or shutting it down.Instesd of trying to bring the country and 75 Million voters together the Democrats want to start impeachment proceedings 10 days before the transfer of power. This wont end well.
…….
They do not want to start impeachment hearings….they would much rather Pence invoke the 25th…..but he seems to be unable to bring himself to do this so impeachment is the alternative. Who brought this on…Trump, of course. Do not blame the Democrats….this is something that needs to happen for the safety of all in the USA…and the world!

#161 Fortvna on 01.10.21 at 8:33 pm

The solution is never to curb free speech in public fora (unless it truly is inciting hate or violence, etc.) It is always to equip the populace to think critically. We are failing and have failed in that regard. That the availability of said fora has burgeoned thanks to the internet means that the likes of Trump can spout their venom freely to a wide audience. To my mind that just means we need to revamp the curriculum, to be more stringent, more reasoned, in our words and in our thoughts. While people like to trash it, this is where an education in the humanities serves can be of true value.

#162 Stone on 01.10.21 at 8:35 pm

#149 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 7:54 pm
Trump said: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it’d be interesting to check that.” – Garth

Not exactly “drink bleach”, but I’ve been consuming a fair amount of the main ingredient in some hand sanitizers and so far no covid, so maybe he was on to something.

———

Interesting. That starts to explain much. Is that why so many people have gone nutso?

#163 Paul on 01.10.21 at 8:44 pm

#147 unbalanced on 01.10.21 at 7:45 pm
Garth. #120 comments . They don’t belong here.

Agreed. Now gone. – Garth
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unbalanced, Sorry if I hurt you sensibilities with the language. Lest we Forget!

#164 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 8:44 pm

#151 bellend on 01.10.21 at 7:58 pm
first things first…good job Garth..
now free speecher folks, here’s a suggestion..go right ahead and free speech straight out of the back of your neck….on your OWN web site.
No one is owed any piece of any third party sponsored web site. Posting is a privilege.

——————————–

I think the problem we are now discussing is not whether you have the right to post on someone else’s website, but whether you can even post on your own website. Parler and Gab have their own websites, but now it seems that if you use the Amazon cloud servers and pay them money to do so they get to say what you or your users can post. Parler does not allow any pornography of any kind so there cannot be any fear of child pornography. They don’t have a “groups” feature so it isn’t a great way to organize a protest. But yet at almost exactly the same time Trump got deplatformed all Parler users also did. All of them. Does this not seem coordinated?

This raises a couple of questions. The first is maybe Amazon decided having questionable ones and zeros on its’ servers was a risk they could not accept. But really? Wouldn’t Parler be responsible for that data? Why is Amazon responsible when all they are doing is providing a hard drive and an internet connection?

The second question that is going to come up is whether anybody’s data is safe on the cloud. What happens if I put all my backups on OneDrive and then Microsoft decides because I upgraded to Windows 10 for free after the “free period” I can’t get any of those backups unless I pay them a $1000 penalty?

(You can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free.)

https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/

And then what do we really know what these companies are doing with the data we upload to the cloud????? Are they really just hosting it, or do they go through it with a fine tooth comb like Facebook does??? If you are in some sort of business negotiations I think none of it can go on the cloud at this point. And actually none of your vital data can, in case you get Parlered. (I invented yet another new word!)

It’s time to go back to having your own server and maybe one of those external drives for important data. And if you have a website, time to get your own servers. But the internet companies can still cut you off. They will dig up the wire if they have to, just like the gas company.

Amazon, Goggle, and Apple made a big mistake ghosting Parler and Gab. The cloud is now dead or at least dying. We will be back to using modems before we allow that to happen again.

#165 Free Speech Geek on 01.10.21 at 8:49 pm

Having computer geeks decide free speech issues makes no sense. They see the world as binary; on/off, 1 or zero.

And why is it only conservatives who are being deplatformed and stripped of free speech? I’ve seen lots of outrageous, offensive and violence promoting comments from Pelosi, AOC, Harris and Biden. Yet no problem for them.

I saw that the DOJ is starting to look at Apple, Google, Twitter etc. for RICO violations. Rico is the legislation reserved for Mafia and drug cartels. The ACLU is also now looking at fighting them.

Tech thinks they’ve already won this fight, but they’ve only awoken a platoon of sleeping giants. This might be Trump’s ultimate victory. Maybe he goaded tech into this massive blunder. And Tech rose to the bait like a fat lazy trout.

#166 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 8:52 pm

@#117 Billybob
“Personally I didn’t really get a criminal mastermind precision government overthrow plot vibe from the whole thing. More like just a sad, unnecessary, pointless sh!tshow.”

+++

Thats a bingo!

#167 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 8:53 pm

#161 Fortvna on 01.10.21 at 8:33 pm
The solution is never to curb free speech in public fora (unless it truly is inciting hate or violence, etc.) It is always to equip the populace to think critically. We are failing and have failed in that regard. That the availability of said fora has burgeoned thanks to the internet means that the likes of Trump can spout their venom freely to a wide audience. To my mind that just means we need to revamp the curriculum, to be more stringent, more reasoned, in our words and in our thoughts. While people like to trash it, this is where an education in the humanities serves can be of true value.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

Perhaps you also need a course in logic an critical thinking yourself. You just totally contradicted yourself. Sorry, but your comment makes zero sense.

#168 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 8:54 pm

Referring to Doug’s blog post yesterday:

Michael Burry of ‘Big Short’ fame continues to get further underwater on his TSLA short:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/big-short-investor-says-his-big-tesla-short-is-getting-bigger-and-bigger-11610313191

TSLA has been crushing shorts for ten years. Will Burry get it right? Only time will tell…

#169 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 8:56 pm

#162 Stone on 01.10.21 at 8:35 pm
#149 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 7:54 pm
Trump said: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it’d be interesting to check that.” – Garth

Not exactly “drink bleach”, but I’ve been consuming a fair amount of the main ingredient in some hand sanitizers and so far no covid, so maybe he was on to something.

———

Interesting. That starts to explain much. Is that why so many people have gone nutso?

——————————-

Dude (I assume please provide us with your preferred pronouns) it was a drinking joke. Tipping a whisky right now. Injecting disinfectants if you will. “Drinking bleach”. Oh ya, it is working, but I am not sure against covid. But for other things it works pretty good as long as you don’t overdose. Or want to operate machinery.

And they were always nutso. They just didn’t have a Facebook page.

#170 vanisle on 01.10.21 at 9:01 pm

DELETED. Never try that again, Mike. – Garth

#171 mike from mtl on 01.10.21 at 9:02 pm

#155 Anonymous 2 on 01.10.21 at 8:12 pm
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Right on.

Had you made a Youboob video bringing up that, it would be flagged and and labelled as misinformation. Google has been particularly focusing content that even sightly questions the ‘official’ narrative. Makes you wonder what happened to old fashioned questioning, discussion, balance, due process and all that we lost in 2020.

A somewhat (in)famous channel almost got permanently banned for a video literally reading the news – not helped with prior takedown infractions actually debunking anti-maskers of all things.

“Free speech”, unless it starts on sensitive topics. Hmm does not that sound like every historical authoritarian dictatorship.

#172 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 9:04 pm

#117 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 5:39 pm

Or are we supposed to believe the US was nearly overthrown ad hoc by a group led by a guy with facepaint and horns on his head?

————–

Don’t sell him short, BB. He also has raccoon tails. AND he’s a shaman.

#173 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 9:05 pm

Gee
5 gang killings in the Lower Brainland in 2 weeks.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/one-dead-another-injured-in-two-separate-overnight-shootings

Covid is taking a second seat to the carnage.

#174 Calguy on 01.10.21 at 9:07 pm

The next few days, weeks and months should be interesting. Upon hearing the Twitter ban I first thought there will be some sort of retaliation from trump supporters. I hope inauguration goes off well with no sideshows. The whole thing has taken away from what is a disastrous response to Covid. It highlights the unequal healthcare and the Americans inability to live with restrictions.

Here I wonder again the future of our fragile economy and rights. With the new rules for in coming travellers from out of country does it not seem safer that we should reduce or gradually lose the quarantine? If I come back on a flight and tested negative would I not be safer than people in the community who are not tested but having gatherings, going to Costco etc? Really there needs to be common sense. Rapid testing : get it going so we can get some normal. Vaccines will be too slow to implement so rapid test can be a good method to open up things.

#175 The West on 01.10.21 at 9:09 pm

If you wish to be honest, you will also admit if the Jan. 6th crowd had been black, the scene would have been explosively different with a vigorous and violent police response. It has been reported Trump asked the National Guard to stand down last Wednesday and was pleased with the course of events. – Garth
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I’m not convinced about the vigorous and violent response you postulate. Two groups of people broke the law – only one will be prosecuted to the ends of the Earth. That’s honest – that’s what happened. It’s in plain sight. There’s no denying it. Both groups feel justified in their actions.

This is getting dangerous.

Trump – a narcissistic loser feeding his ego

Obomba – war criminal

Bush Jr – war criminal

Clinton – elitist (repealing Glass-Steagall was a bad move)

Bush Sr. – war criminal

….that’s why we are here…the leadership of the Anglo American Empire has made some very, very ill-advised moves….

JFK, now there’s a guy who wanted better for this country and, the world.

#176 Fortvna on 01.10.21 at 9:15 pm

167 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 8:53 pm

Indeed I do! I’d be grateful to learn to be better reasoned. I don’t suppose you’d care to enlighten me?

#177 Tommyboy on 01.10.21 at 9:21 pm

Hey Garth love the second picture. Are you sure you got the date right? I’m pretty sure that was a few days ago it was a trudeau and ford party where they burned the charter.

Freedom has ended in this country.

#178 Anonymous 2 on 01.10.21 at 9:27 pm

#171 mike from mtl:

You are correct, which is particularly disturbing since this is information directly from the FDA (and other official US or other governments) websites.

If you can’t even disseminate the actual official information what the hell is going on?

You have tried to post scare information about vaccines here on many occasions. Give it up. Society has but one door out of this spiral of infection, death, lockdowns and economic loss. – Garth

#179 Stratovarious on 01.10.21 at 9:33 pm

Although I support your right to use the delete key on YOUR BLOG, I am disappointed that you believe Jeff Bezos has a similar right in silencing Parlor by turning off his servers. Although I have never been on Parlor (or even know what the hell it is), I closed my Amazon account today as a very small protest against corporate censorship. Furthermore, I will never purchase anything from WholeFoods (another Amazon company), or any other Amazon business. Ultimately, you are arguing that we can trust Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Dorsey to decide what we can see. Frankly, I am very disappointed that you believe that this is acceptable even if you disagree with Trump, particularly since this was intended to placate the democrats who believe that Amazon should be broken up (recall AOC’s remarks about the evils of Amazon when it was intending to establish offices in NYC). Respectfully, I am disappointed in you, since you better than most, understand that freedom of thought must be cherished at all costs.

Too bad. Amazon execs decided to stop hosting a site riddled with hate, and it looks damn good on them. The world needs more corporate leaders with the courage to take positions based on ethics. – Garth

#180 Rossco on 01.10.21 at 9:39 pm

FWTW
In the politics of today’s world, I really miss Ron Paul, Maxime Bernier and Danielle Smith.
Don’t even try to understand.

#181 Mauri on 01.10.21 at 9:40 pm

No need to reinvent the wheel. Just look at other decent countries and how they regulate speech.

#182 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 01.10.21 at 9:44 pm

RE: On freedom

It might be best for everyone to forget all about “freedom.” Thinking about such old-fashioned and obsolete concepts as “freedom” will just make people dissatisfied with the “new abnormal.” As we move forward, and backward, everyone should just do as they are told and not question anything that the Liebrals/Demonrats come up with. That will be the way for people to get a good online “social credit score” from their new tech masters. Then they won’t have to be de-platformed, denied access to everything, slandered viciously, and sent away to be “re-educated.”

#183 TurnerNation on 01.10.21 at 9:45 pm

Wow 1 Day Painting. https://www.wow1day.com/
“We’ve perfected our painting process, which means we’re able to give you a quality paint job in just 1 day.”

Wow 2 Day Vax:
https://www.businessinsider.com/moderna-designed-coronavirus-vaccine-in-2-days-2020-11

– Just 28 more days guys…

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/bay-area-stay-at-home-order-extended/2441521/
“Bay Area Stay-at-Home Order Extended Indefinitely
Under the extended order, residents are directed to stay at home except for work, shopping or other essential activities, such as medical appointments”

— Never lose sight this WW3 is to bring control, globally, over our Feeding, Breeding and Movements/Travel.

Watch the food supply. Party purges, government-induced famines? Check your history books or ask your grandparents.
Same old:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/workforce-shortages-cost-farmers-38m-worth-of-fruit-and-veg-harvests/news-story/b3e46af6918ac0063be6a7024bed948f

‘Workforce shortages cost farmers $38m worth of fruit and veg harvests
More than 50 Aussie farmers have been unable to get local and overseas workers to pick their produce due to coronavirus travel restrictions.”

#184 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 9:49 pm

HUGE snowball fight in…..Madrid?

https://news.sky.com/video/spain-snowstorm-spontaneous-snowball-fights-erupt-in-madrid-12183932

#185 Doug t on 01.10.21 at 9:52 pm

Too bad. Amazon execs decided to stop hosting a site riddled with hate, and it looks damn good on them. The world needs more corporate leaders with the courage to take positions based on ethics. – Garth

Garth the Amazon execs would do a 360 on their “decision” if it was what kept profits rolling – they have no real conscience, no ethics, nothing except answering to the board of directors greed

Did Jeff pee in your cereal? These comments of yours are all hate. – Garth

#186 KAC on 01.10.21 at 9:54 pm

Currently there is some debate about the actions of the known ANTIF/BLM members seen leading some of the activities inside the Capitol and outside where Trump supporters were recorded shouting “ANTIFA! ANTIFA!” and struggling to stop a group of people from breaking windows.

There is no doubt in my mind that several hundred (out of many thousands) of the Trump supporters present invaded the building and only a very small percentage were ANTIFA/BLM agent provocateurs. Most were horribly misguide Trump supporters.

The MOB behaviour was deplorable, it directly resulted in several tragic deaths and played right into the hands of Trump’s critics. We can at least be thankful that unlike many left wing riots, the property damage was relatively limited and no fires were set.

I didn’t see anything in any of Trump’s words calling for an invasion of the Capitol buildings or for any form of violence or unrest, but obviously people hear what they want to hear. I do remember these quotes from Democrat Politicians in recent months and I wonder how much mayhem resulted from their poor choice of words:

Ayanna Pressley
“You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives.”

Nancy Pelosi
“I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be.”

Maxine Waters
“You think we’re rally now? You ain’t seen nothing yet. Already you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants … protesters taking up at their house saying ‘no peace, no sleep.’ “

Kamala Harris
“They’re not gonna let up. And they should not. And we should not.”

#187 Investx on 01.10.21 at 10:10 pm

If only the media and Leftists were just as outraged at the violent, WEEKS-long Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) siege in Seattle and the burning, looting, and murders during the “mostly peaceful” BLM riots.

And of course, Biden downplayed ANTIFA as just an “idea”, not an organization, when asked to denounce them during the debate

Politically-correct cowards.

The Left controls the narrative almost everywhere – MSM, social media, schools, Hollywood, TV, big tech, sports, music,

Don’t be naive.

#188 MLK on 01.10.21 at 10:24 pm

Once again, you’ve told your story with a huge spin!

As if you really believe that the Capitol Hill debacle was truly a coordinated response of thousands of rioters. The damage and stupidity was caused by a few hundred, if not just dozens, and
possibly the work of infiltrates. Otherwise you really would have seen mayhem. Remember, these are the people who own guns and know how to use them.

That was opportunity knocking. You have most likely heard the last from the hoodlums, unlike this past summer when this was a nightly occurrence and for which you made little or no mention.

In the words of the immortalized MLK … “A riot is the voice of the unheard.”

#189 Doug t on 01.10.21 at 10:24 pm

Sorry Garth don’t mean to come off full of hate on Amazon – I just truly believe corporations like Amazon ultimately have no “conscience” – they are driven by nothing more than sheer greed period – they ain’t there to spread love and compassion

#190 Crazy For Freedom on 01.10.21 at 10:30 pm

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#191 Anonymous 2 on 01.10.21 at 10:30 pm

I promise this is my last comment.

“You have tried to post scare information about vaccines here on many occasions. Give it up. Society has but one door out of this spiral of infection, death, lockdowns and economic loss. – Garth”

With all due respect, I never once said to not get vaccinated and I myself got the vaccine too. In fact, in my comment is specifically stated that is is good to have an emergency use authorization. I always supported masks as they are low-cost, low risk effective intervention. However, mass hysteria is also unwarranted.

Unlike many others, I *always* post the links to the official websites I quote, almost exclusively official government websites such as StatsCan, Health Canada, FDA etc. (as is the case in my comment today, not only did I link the official documents, I also specified the page the information is coming from).

If disseminating official information is scare tactics, than something is awfully wrong…

I also refrain from suggesting any course of action (I never said to yes or not do something), I usually just link to information and try to contextualize it. This is called good science communication. You do exactly the same when you educate the readers about investing.

Me advocating for informed and educated consent in healthcare is not all that different than proper informed and educated consent in the investing industry which you advocate for.

It is really weird, because this blog used to the the place to come for honest, well researched information with unyielding strive for truth and good morals. You championed this attitude when you were in parliament (and stuck to your morals at the price of losing your seat), you show it when you educate about how democratic the TFSA is vs. the RRSP (and you quote the official policies), about the dishonesty in the investing world (again, you quote the studies) and you embody it in your arguments about the things closest to your heart – politics, finance, investing. This is the reason we come back to hear your mind, we believe you will strive for the truth and moral opinion.

You also identify how this last year of Covid seem to have robbed people of their ability to reason and stick to their morals of truth and good discourse. But for whatever reason the same blind spot that hits almost all of us, the wish to just get back to normal at all costs, seem to blind you just as much when it comes to this specific topic.

We all want it to be over. I am tired of discussing it, reading about it, seeing the news. But my passion is science and medicine, and when it comes to this at least I still strive for moderate, nuanced, referenced opinion.

I really did post because I thought it would be welcomed information provided with references as an antidote to all the hand-waving extreme shouting. This was the first time you made it clear that you don’t want this discussed at such detailed level.

If this is not welcome anymore than I’m really ok to not post.

#192 MF on 01.10.21 at 10:58 pm

#106 UCC on 01.10.21 at 5:16 pm
#88 millmech on 01.10.21 at 4:31 pm
#63 MF

millmech,

Your original post was about younger generations blaming we millennials for embracing wfh. It implied an accelerated pace of outsourcing being the result of our current situation as well.

I merely pointed out that outsourcing has been around for 30 + years and is not a new threat and is not the work of millennials. Younger generations you mention can do the cliche thing we usually do and blame the boomers. Also, the workforce has been adjusting to this reaity for decades already. It will continue to adjust. There will be winners and losers…like all other changes in life.

My situation is the same as everyone else. Nothing is guaranteed so I work as hard as I can to stay employed.

UCC,

Canada has tons to offer. All you have to do is look around to see it. The threats you mentioned are threats facing everyone on earth and sound more like forgettable partisan criticisms more than anything else. Canada gives individuals all the tools they need to be successful. If they aren’t, it’s their own fault.

MF

#193 andre on 01.10.21 at 10:59 pm

I think your article discussed confusion between the cause and the effect of the cause.
This is not about the president but about ‘we the people’ vs swamp. Swamp wins and their dreams and desires are far away from 75m the people who lost.

#194 mike from mtl on 01.10.21 at 11:01 pm

You have tried to post scare information about vaccines here on many occasions. Give it up. Society has but one door out of this spiral of infection, death, lockdowns and economic loss. – Garth
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Probably going to get deleted from this but, the current hysteria that we just dose every oldie once rather than twice as per Pfizer’s own studies for decent protection is playing poker.

I realise we’re in a bind like everyone else and T2 being a total knob is not helping but seriously those wrinklies have a point. Hoping 10-20% at best given partial dose or zero to all is stupid. Either do it or not. Promising a good outcome which we all obviously want then basically leaving them with a false hope to die anyway is a lie and you know it.

Even CBC reports those who got only first dose getting Covid anyway then dying. Pretty hard to argue with that.

#195 Regjeg on 01.10.21 at 11:03 pm

#155 Anon 2

Thank you. I found your comments to be most enlightening.

#196 Hilroy on 01.10.21 at 11:03 pm

Can’t yell ‘fire’ in a crowded chat room – the courts have given precedent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater

#197 Irish Stew on 01.10.21 at 11:23 pm

The Ayatollah can tweet, but Trump cannot.

I wonder how much worse Jan 6th in DC would have been if Democrats had replaced all the Capitol Police with social workers?

#198 TurnerNation on 01.10.21 at 11:54 pm

It’s looking like all of Canada must be locked down by January 20th? Yep the numbers on the telescreens can do that.
Q1 UBI anyone?

They’ll stone you just like they said they would.
Everybody must get stoned.

New System is here to stay

#199 Jon B on 01.10.21 at 11:57 pm

I don’t like where this is going. When big tech determines what speech is acceptable and what is not, we’re all in trouble. Those who support the take down of Parler don’t support free speech. Simple as that.

#200 tyberius on 01.10.21 at 11:58 pm

Perhaps our generous host ought to look up the terms:
“agitator”, “provocateur”.

A few of those (paid or unpaid by unscrupulous but interested entities), amongst 100,000+ peaceful protesters and you taint the entire event by the actions of a few.

Hard to believe one can be this naive.

#201 Diamond Dog on 01.11.21 at 12:15 am

#152 MOONSHINE on 01.10.21 at 7:59 pm

Admittedly out of context with Garth’s post, but it’s still prime. Thanks man.

#202 Pete from St. Cesaire on 01.11.21 at 12:23 am

#158 vanisle on 01.10.21 at 8:29 pm
What are your thoughts on Catherine Austin Fitts?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Catherine+Austin+Fitts+youtube&docid=60804021294511129
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She knows exactly what she’s talking about. Every bit is spot-on.

#203 Paul S on 01.11.21 at 12:25 am

After everything that has happened in America over the last year, it is very troubling to hear people (left or right) argue for fundamental freedoms while neglecting the responsibilities that come with those freedoms.

I may have the right to say whatever I want. As a considerate, educated and mature adult, I do not say whatever I want. I see many problems with social media today from ownership and control to the spreading of lies and fake news. But, I also see progress in attempts to limit or ban people/ideas that are harmful to “the other”. It is a matter of degree, not so much the person or idea. Controversial people can share ideas but if those ideas are not supported by the common good (dangerous or illegal) and valid evidence (facts), they can and should be removed from public eyes.

Just because “you” don’t mind or care what other people spew online is not a concern of the common good. The common good protects all reasonable people who may be vulnerable to harm from such people and ideas.

And for those people who continually criticize and/or diminish the role of formal education in enlightening students for the sake of a better tomorrow, take some time to research the education system to our south.

Education begins at home but for many, school is home. In other words, sheep that wander, get lost and sheep that are led down a path of lies, find harm. Last Wednesday was a sad but real example.

#204 Blog Bunny on 01.11.21 at 12:26 am

I refuse to be indoctrinated. I will never submit. Enough said. Bunnies are free.

#205 Russ on 01.11.21 at 12:42 am

Sydneysider on 01.10.21 at 8:31 pm

There are 70M+ Americans who voted for Trump. He is a product of their desire, not the cause of it.

Most likely voted Republican. – Garth

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Stone on 01.10.21 at 8:35 pm

#149 Nonplused on 01.10.21 at 7:54 pm
Trump said: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? So it’d be interesting to check that.” – Garth

Not exactly “drink bleach”, but I’ve been consuming a fair amount of the main ingredient in some hand sanitizers and so far no covid, so maybe he was on to something.

Interesting. That starts to explain much. Is that why so many people have gone nutso?
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Geez.
My dear old Mom would put 5% hydrogen peroxide on my open would to “clean” it.

Maybe Donny’s Mom did something similar…

Anyhow, we’ve heard 70 million voted for Trump and 75 million voted for the other old guy or something like that.

What does it matter?

There are over 160 million Americans below average intelligence… maybe they all voted.
:)

Cheers, R

#206 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.11.21 at 12:45 am

#105 Flop… on 01.10.21 at 5:14 pm
As an Australian/Canadian I struggle daily to communicate with my form of Aunglish.

I’m pretty sure it’s the U.S Capitol, not Capital…

M46BC
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Sure, you are Pflop.
The U.S Capitol which is in the U.S Capital.
And not to be confused with Das Kapital.

#207 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:57 am

175 The West and any others claiming some kind of backwards asymmetry between the summer time BLM protests and riots versus what happened in the capital:

A brief search shows that hundreds of arrests were made in all towns where rioting occurred this summer. Hundreds. In Kenosha, where a far right kook killed people, 175 people were arrested for their part in rioting. It’s yet another bald faced lie from the right (up there with the election “fraud”) to claim that somehow the capitol rioters are being more harshly treated than the rioters from this summer.

Destroying private property on a fairly small scale is a far cry from attacking one of the three branches of government, infiltrating its halls, and going on the hunt for legislators to hang them.

Sail Away checks his Andy Ngo notes and chimes in “but but but what about the Portland Federal building?” The police response there was proportionately much much larger and far more forceful than that used on the Capitol. Why? The feds repeatedly swooped in to nab rioters. Both acts (attacking a federal courthouse and the national capitol building) are deplorable, but the scale and impact of the latter is several orders of magnitude above what took place in Portland and continues.

Garth, thanks for your strong stance on this today and for your willingness to contend with us crazies.

#208 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.11.21 at 1:00 am

#136 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.10.21 at 6:42 pm
@#104 D P
“This tells me that after doubling our national debt in few months, Mr. Socks is desperately looking for additional sources of income and he’s going after the small guys like me.”

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Yep.
Inevitable.
Just wait for Freeland ‘s Budget in the Spring.

It’s gonna be a whopper.
Give billions more away in social spending to buy the “poor” vote and tax the crap out of the “rich” vote.

My annual performance bonus was taxed at 55%
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CEF, you’re a 1 percenter now.
Bring on the fast cars, the women and the yacht.
Invite Trudeau to your island in the sun.
What’s not to like.

#209 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.11.21 at 1:06 am

#140 Binder Dundat on 01.10.21 at 6:51 pm
When is free speech unworthy of freedom?”

Any individual rights, the right to free speech or otherwise, only extend so far as they start to interfere with other’s rights, such as the need for health and safety.

It’s as simple as that.
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Hey Binder,
Good to hear from you again.
Always a voice of reason.
I still think, your handle is the best.

#210 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:10 am

As Turner recently asked: got VIX?

Here’s some Q-Anon tripe for you to get a feel for what some are “thinking” about the next couple of weeks.

https://t.co/pcTjIjGiTn?amp=1

And in a horrifyingly cutesy kind of way:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1348402989275488257

#211 Diamond Dog on 01.11.21 at 1:12 am

#82 DON on 01.10.21 at 4:09 pm

Thanks Don, right back at you.

#212 Inequity on 01.11.21 at 1:13 am

The first time I saw that picture was at Dachau. Under was the inscription: “Where they burn books, they will also ultimately burn people” – Heinrich Heine

#213 Nonplused on 01.11.21 at 1:14 am

“You have tried to post scare information about vaccines here on many occasions. Give it up. Society has but one door out of this spiral of infection, death, lockdowns and economic loss. – Garth”

Ya well we disagree on about 10% of the things, but this isn’t one of them. We’d probably have more good vaccines if they didn’t need to be tested for ten years before they can go to live trials.

“Too bad. Amazon execs decided to stop hosting a site riddled with hate, and it looks damn good on them. The world needs more corporate leaders with the courage to take positions based on ethics. – Garth”

I don’t believe a company that purports to host web services should be charged with responsibility for every byte stored there. It’s too much and impossible. Parler should be responsible for Parler. Amazon made a mistake stepping in because now they have to censor everybody. And they are going to lose all their cloud business because now even the oil companies will be saying “what happens if Greta gets to them????” The business model is now dead.

#214 NSNG on 01.11.21 at 1:16 am

The question in all this will be the boomers. They spent their youth half burning America to the ground in the name of civil rights.

They were so effective, their kids grew up in a world so entitled that they act as if it has always been this way.

You have to wonder how those who so strongly fought for civil rights FOR ALL will look on those who are more than prepared to take the civil rights of some.

#215 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.11.21 at 1:34 am

#172 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 9:04 pm
#117 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 5:39 pm

Or are we supposed to believe the US was nearly overthrown ad hoc by a group led by a guy with facepaint and horns on his head?

————–

Don’t sell him short, BB. He also has raccoon tails. AND he’s a shaman
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Good on you, Sailo.
Standing up for your cousin.
People are quick to judge.

#216 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:44 am

#168 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 8:54 pm

TSLA has been crushing shorts for ten years. Will Burry get it right? Only time will tell…

Gambling, not investing, but: seems like buying a deep OTM 30 day expiring put contract or three might be a fun way to spend the entertainment $$. $255USD gives control of 100 shares at a strike of $400. Unlikely, but if the put lands ITM the upside is huge. With market froth and lots of volatility triggers in the wings, should be “entertaining”.

Bitcoin well into a double digit % drop. Last time this happened, people tried to rotate into TSLA. Index futures all deep red tonight. Lets see what Monday brings.

#217 PowerFromFear on 01.11.21 at 1:51 am

BANNED

#218 Nonplused on 01.11.21 at 2:00 am

PS,

The fact that Amazon could just remove Parler has every IT and risk management team in the country thinking about things. IT security is sacrosanct. Amazon just killed the cloud. Or blew it away. Blue skies? Well probably not they will try something else. But goodbye cloud.

The cloud is no more.

#219 Bill on 01.11.21 at 2:15 am

#168 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 8:54 pm

Tesla market cap is equivalent to $1million per car sold annually GM is $9 thousand.
This is where we are. Valuations don’t appernlty matter for now and more ignorant folk inhabit the trading relm everyday. That’s how bubbles form.
Burry is very smart (read the book eons ago) but I called that housing bubble 2008 and warned family that didn’t believe me at the time and lost their homes in the US. I didn’t short it as I was young didn’t know how to play it but my gut is always right ( so far lol)
It was terrible to watch.
I’m rich now and they are poor unfortunately each has to live by their own decisions. A lot more people listen to me these days.

2021 could have 5 to 10% inflation. Stay invested (Garth correct ) don’t be dumping any RE. That’s what markets are telling us not some gov bullshit inflation rate numbers.
Sitting on cash long term very bad idea.
But don’t be buying into bubbles :(
I’ll be pumping my cash into a new mini storage development th this year.. Need to lose the cash trash, should have done it last year but was to busy with other projects. Buiding products have launched in price and they never go down…maybe lumber.
Ignore the noise it’s loud be prudent keep moving forward.
I waisted lots of time in the past with noise.

#220 No left turn on 01.11.21 at 2:28 am

Eventually they will come for everyone. This blog is not immune. I’m surprised not more of you haven’t realized this by now.

#221 fishman on 01.11.21 at 2:50 am

I can’t get “Tet Offensive” out of mind. Same time of year. Suicide missions to centre of enemy controlled capitol cities Saigon, Hue & Washington. Two citadels trashed. Uncle Donny & Uncle Ho coldly opting for major tactical defeat in exchange for strategic victory. Taking major battle to enemy after numerous & continuous small defeats around rest of country. Force enemy to retaliate & create victims & martyrs. Retreat to countryside & consolidate control over local population. Develop secure propaganda & correct political thought training communication channels after all regular channels compromised by enemy. Prepare for conventional warfare at appropriate time.
As far as free speech. Trotsky protected his underground printing presses above all else. His leaflets were the lifeblood of the revolution. And so with all the rest that came after. That was 100 years ago. Now with the internet? The question is, Is it secure? Otherwise its back to the typewriter & copier I suppose. Meanwhile all the free speech I want right here. (With Garth in the kitchen.)

#222 Rod Martin on 01.11.21 at 2:55 am

Equating the deeds of these Washington lunatics to the Nazis is the definition of hyperbolic. What it reminds me of was Antifa last summer intimidating and smashing media cameras in various locations in the US last summer while hijacking a worthy protest. None of this violence is appropriate and none should be condoned. Condoning censorship and justifying the “othering” of half the US population is going to be lethal to our friends to the south. The pace at which the Democratic leadership and media are vilifying the “right” is dizzying. We are one major incident away from a crackdown on free speech and anyone who has or will be seen as harboring the wrong thoughts. The Democrats have already alluded to new anti-domestic terrorism laws that will undoubtedly be
another overreach. Why waste a good opportunity. Absolutely frightening.

#223 BillyBob on 01.11.21 at 5:38 am

I think it’s the fact of having tech companies who have clearly abrogated any meaningful duty to monitor their massively pervasive and influential platforms, as the sole arbiters of correct thought, that makes people uneasy. And no, I don’t count after-the-fact, far-too-late, crocodile tears banning as “action”. Nice to see Twitter’s stock price taking a hit after firing their star entertainer.

I’m now looking to move off WhatsApp completely. It’s easy from a technical perspective – Signal and others are very good – but almost impossible from a practical perspective. Too pervasive – try convincing a group of 300 pilots to switch platforms. So now I’m forced to choose either surrendering my contact list completely as of Feb 8, or not being able to access what is in some cases, a sole source of industry information. Kind of important during a time when tens of thousands of us are unemployed.

Just way too much control being taken from the individual and handed to the corporation. There needs to be a better balance. It’s one area where I do think the EU outperforms N. America.

As someone stated earlier, perhaps a possible good outcome of this nonsense will be to shine a stronger light on the role of social media in fomenting the hate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaaC57tcci0

Sadly, more likely most people will just keep idiot-scrolling.

#224 Sky on 01.11.21 at 6:48 am

Isn’t it the job of an elected congress to reign in the actions & words of their president? Isn’t that how a democracy is supposed to work?

When UNELECTED Big Tech officials can effectively silence a sitting president and tens of millions of his supporters – with the flick of a digital switch – then this is more than just censorship. This is a purge.

Consult your history books. This type of purge is straight out of the communist/fascist playbook. These are extremely dangerous times.

You might rebut — ” So, just go somewhere else to get your voice out there.” Well, they did. Or tried to. They fled to Parler. Here’s what happened :

“They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day.”

https://deadline.com/2021/01/parler-ceo-says-service-dropped-by-every-vendor-and-could-end-the-company-1234670607/

It looks like Big Tech wants to destroy more than just words. They want to burn down the building which you need in order to get those words out in the first place. FAANG showing us their fangs.

And if you’ve excused FAANG’s actions this weekend simply because you can’t stand Trump or his supporters… then consider this:

Did you watch any of the Quebec curfew videos posted on the web by our fellow Canadians? Swat team checkpoints. Police cars sl-ow-ly cruising through residential neighborhoods at night with sirens blaring & lights flashing. Heads up, Ontario!

How much longer before this type of information is purged? Soon, I suspect. The web’s getting greyer by the day. And when we reach that point, you won’t get a “heads up” anymore. You’ll be kept completely in the dark.

And you certainly won’t be allowed to speak out against ANY action the govt wants to inflict on you. Because you won’t have anywhere left to speak out on — other than on the streets while facing whatever degree of force the govt chooses to use against you.

That’s when you’ll understand the full implications of what happened this weekend. It will be too late to do anything about it. But at least you’ll finally understand.

Trump has a media briefing room beside his office. He is not silenced. He just wants to be unfiltered and unaccountable for his words. – Garth

#225 Do we have all the facts on 01.11.21 at 7:10 am

It is one thing to take precautions against viral and bacterial infections and quite another to allow fear and hysteria to obscure the real issues that require rational solutions.

When I found out that close to 70% of all deaths attributed to the Covid 19 virus in Canada involved a resident in one of the 270,000 long term care beds across Canada it caused me to question why this had occurred and what could be done to make sure it never happened again.

When it was reported that 96.6% of all deaths attributed to the Covid 19 virus were 70 years of age or older with one or more serious comorbidity issues I wondered why not a single health care worker had inquired into the health of this 73 year old with at least four comorbidity issues.

No N95 masks, no regular tests in my residence to determine if I had become infected, no offer of vitamins and micronutrients to support my immune system, no
investigation into my living conditions or my diet, no offer of a vaccine yet.

I read that $400 billion had been spent by the Federal Government to address the Covid 19 crisis and yet not a single soul had bothered to make sure the health of this elderly citizen was being monitored and protected.

I want to know why all levels of government have allowed the health of millions of senior citizens to deteriorate to the point where they have become extremely vulnerable to all viral infections, not just Covid 19.

Improvement in a system that allows profit oriented companies to place four vulnerable residents in a single room is long overdue. Measures should be implemented to assure that every senior citizen in Canada has access to nutritional meals, safe accommodation, monitored health care including a range of appropriate vitamins and micronutrients and access to appropriate vaccines to support their natural immune systems.

We know the most vulnerable citizens who require societies protection from all viral infections and it is time to stop fear mongering and hysteria within the general population and to focus our attention and resources on the introduction of viable solutions.

The Covid 19 virus exposed our vulnerabilities and it is our responsibility to respond to this exposure with rational, not reactionary, solutions.

#226 Bonobo on 01.11.21 at 7:46 am

“The protests you refer to were over deaths that people considered unjustified and in the promotion of racial equality. Most were peaceful, some not. Those events were not designed to overthrow the government or deny the results of an election. Not a balanced comparison. – Garth”

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Sorry Garth you forget that the left were trying to overthrow Trump’s government since day 1 of his presidency. Hilary conceded but then went on to call Trump’s government illegitimate. Many other examples of progressives calling for the overthrow of his government for the last 4 years. If that’s not a call to overthrow the government then I don’t know what is.

Remind me, when did their supporters storm the Capitol and kill a cop? – Garth

#227 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 7:59 am

#176 Fortvna on 01.10.21 at 9:15 pm
167 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 8:53 pm

Indeed I do! I’d be grateful to learn to be better reasoned. I don’t suppose you’d care to enlighten me?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

You started off saying that free speech was important, then went on to describe a way to destroy free speech.

Classic Cognitive Dissonance.

#228 Re-Cowtown on 01.11.21 at 8:02 am

So what happens when Biden decides to implement the New Green Deal? Will Amazon and Google start shutting down servers farms used by the oilpatch?

Your mind is an interesting thing. – Garth

#229 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 8:10 am

Tech has gotten a free pass on their fascism because they’ve been making a lot of investors rich.

When the gravy train ends and tens or hundreds of billions of dollars of market cap are vaporized by the actions of a few SJW-former Starbucks baristas the investors will demand the baristas heads.

Capitalism will correct this insanity, but it may take a few quarters.

#230 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 8:21 am

#215 Ponzius Pilatus on 01.11.21 at 1:34 am
#172 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 9:04 pm
#117 BillyBob on 01.10.21 at 5:39 pm

Or are we supposed to believe the US was nearly overthrown ad hoc by a group led by a guy with facepaint and horns on his head?

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Don’t sell him short, BB. He also has raccoon tails. AND he’s a shaman

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Good on you, Sailo.
Standing up for your cousin.
People are quick to judge.

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That’s not bad, PP… not bad at all!

And here I thought all Austrian jokes involved turnips. Wait- are you calling me a turnip?!

#231 neo on 01.11.21 at 8:31 am

Twitter is down 7% in pre-market trading so I guess the market doesn’t think it’s a good idea.

#232 Apocalypse NOW on 01.11.21 at 8:35 am

TRUMP PLANNING NUCLEAR STRIKES!

(also just heard from John Harwood on CNN – Trump is now surrounded only by the “most extreme” supporters in his cabinet – the rest have left which will undermine any article 25 attempt)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/trump-could-still-start-last-ditch-war-iran/617530/

MORE INSURRECTION COMING FAST!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-plotting-second-insurrection-124104983.html

Remember today – it may be the calmest day you will recall for the remainder of your life.

PREPARE

#233 Tron Light on 01.11.21 at 8:35 am

There are always three sides to every story – your side, my side and the truth, which always resides somewhere in the middle.

#234 Fraser on 01.11.21 at 8:36 am

Both sides have there extremes, unfortunately the people in the middle have no support. The right and the left will damage this precious freedom. Unfortunately media outlets and social media are stuck trying to keep us glued to the echo chamber that you feel best represents your ideals. The algorithm’s and echo chambers are the concern here, its created this polarized divide. Even politicians can’t be politicians because they need to stick to there team through and through.

#235 millmech on 01.11.21 at 8:40 am

MF
It is a lot harder to outsource a factory than a laptop!

#236 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.11.21 at 8:49 am

@#224 Sky

Trump is sulking…not silenced.

When his bs and lies are no longer tolerated….what else does he really have to say?

#237 Randy on 01.11.21 at 8:57 am

Nice try Garth….Media and Social Media have lost all credibility….it ain’t coming back…They are part of the SWAMPS

#238 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:00 am

#216 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:44 am
#168 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 8:54 pm

TSLA has been crushing shorts for ten years. Will Burry get it right? Only time will tell…

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Gambling, not investing, but: seems like buying a deep OTM 30 day expiring put contract or three might be a fun way to spend the entertainment $$. $255USD gives control of 100 shares at a strike of $400.

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Yes, you should do this. I’d suggest you put your new house on the line- your partner will be so excited when you tell her it’s now paid off!

You know the only people really playing OTM puts are those using other people’s money, right?

Let’s see what the man who literally wrote the book on OTM put strategy has to say… “Nassim Nicholas Taleb: Individuals should stay far away from options”

Oh

#239 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 9:01 am

Trump has a media briefing room beside his office. He is not silenced. He just wants to be unfiltered and unaccountable for his words. – Garth

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Back in the old days when we had a media that reported in a fair and unbiased manner, I would agree.

Todays media would report Trumps dislike of blue Skittles as a screaming, unhinged, racist screed against Smurfs.

The American president goes live on TV whenever he asks for the time. You sound like an utter partisan fool. – Garth

#240 Squire on 01.11.21 at 9:04 am

Ugh, too much drama. People need to give their heads a shake if they think Trump will somehow launch nuclear weapons. I mean, really ? Besides, Pelosi is nuts in her own way. Do you think it’s that simple… Anyway, with a split Senate it’s not going to be that easy to just pass any legislation.
As far as media and big tech. They are private companies and free speech is not something they are legally obligated to provided. However, with government bodies, it is.
What will Twitter do now that Trump is no longer their bread and butter ? They were on the the downward trend before Trump became Prez.
My guess is, Twitter fizzles out and then they reinstate Trumps account because they need the revenue.

#241 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 9:11 am

#232 Apocalypse NOW on 01.11.21 at 8:35 am
TRUMP PLANNING NUCLEAR STRIKES!

(also just heard from John Harwood on CNN – Trump is now surrounded only by the “most extreme” supporters in his cabinet – the rest have left which will undermine any article 25 attempt)

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/trump-could-still-start-last-ditch-war-iran/617530/

MORE INSURRECTION COMING FAST!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-plotting-second-insurrection-124104983.html

Remember today – it may be the calmest day you will recall for the remainder of your life.

PREPARE
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Just when you think some commenters can’t possibly get any more TDS deranged, this guy shows up.

#242 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 9:18 am

The American president goes live on TV whenever he asks for the time. You sound like an utter partisan fool. – Garth
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Perhaps. But it doesn’t make me wrong. No one re-broadcasts the entire speech live. Snippets are lifted and filleted, dressed and narrative comments crafted before being endlessly played to the masses.

A case in point is the Fine People Hoax. A plain reading of the transcript shows that Biden lied and continues to lie to this day about what Trump said.

I stand by my comment. I’d rather listen to unfiltered comments and make up my own mind.

Sounds like it was made up a while ago. – Garth

#243 Guelph Guru on 01.11.21 at 9:20 am

Am a bit tired of Trump and COVID.

Hope they both fade into oblivion. It would be nice if the Trumpsters spook Mr. Market and cause a 10 to 20% market correction. Have to put some money to work.

#244 maxx on 01.11.21 at 9:22 am

Excellent post Garth. Just about as perfect a time there ever was to frame the question.

Free speech is of extreme importance, but cannot be paramount, imho. The problem with unfettered free speech is that every human being, for better or worse, has an agenda. EVERYONE. And for that reason, those often get in the way of the greater good.

We live in an age of selfishness. Me, me and ##@%! me dammit.

The noise of individual and collective agendas is deafening.

Challenge everything seen/heard on SM and MSM. It is all suspect.

#245 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 9:27 am

Looks like we might be getting draconian in Ontario here shortly. I get the feeling Ford is prepping us for some big changes to be announced tomorrow. No one seems to be taking the lockdown/distancing too seriously this time around.

More pain for small businesses coming…

#246 cowtown cowboy on 01.11.21 at 9:41 am

Anyone else see the video of Ontario’s health minister pretending to get vaccinated?

#247 KLNR on 01.11.21 at 9:41 am

@#199 Jon B on 01.10.21 at 11:57 pm
I don’t like where this is going. When big tech determines what speech is acceptable and what is not, we’re all in trouble. Those who support the take down of Parler don’t support free speech. Simple as that.

you’ve mistaken hate speech for free speech

#248 Apocalypse NOW on 01.11.21 at 9:46 am

What lies just ahead:

Further lockdown coming to Ontario very soon – with curfew. Likely tomorrow.

Covid cases ramping up dramatically.

Chaos from the WH and nuclear/global war now at 90% probability.

Add to this: the food supply chain is likely to be severely disrupted. The snow drought currently across Canada likely means devastating reductions in crop outputs for 2021. No replenishment of reserves.

https://globalnews.ca/video/1931135/record-low-snow-pack-level-could-lead-to-summertime-drought/

Just when survivors – temporarily at best – are seeking to shelter in plus and feed themselves.

If you have not already, go to your local stores TODAY to stock up on canned goods and other preservable food supplies.

You will be grateful you did if you live until December.

PREPARE

#249 Phylis on 01.11.21 at 9:47 am

#233 Tron Light on 01.11.21 at 8:35 am
There are always three sides to every story – your side, my side and the truth, which always resides somewhere in the middle.
Xxxxxxxxxx
I tend to think it is over on the sidelines, giggling.

#250 Apocalypse NOW on 01.11.21 at 9:47 am

What lies just ahead:

Further lockdown coming to Ontario very soon – with curfew. Likely tomorrow.

Covid cases ramping up dramatically.

Chaos from the WH and nuclear/global war now at 90% probability.

Add to this: the food supply chain is likely to be severely disrupted. The snow drought currently across Canada likely means devastating reductions in crop outputs for 2021. No replenishment of reserves.

https://globalnews.ca/video/1931135/record-low-snow-pack-level-could-lead-to-summertime-drought/

Just when survivors – temporarily at best – are seeking to shelter in place and feed themselves.

If you have not already, go to your local stores TODAY to stock up on canned goods and other preservable food supplies.

You will be grateful you did if you live until December.

PREPARE

#251 Be Wealthy on 01.11.21 at 9:47 am

US politics has swung from too established and financially corrupted to too radical and corrupted. Either way not great, but the former is less scary than the latter.

Having said that, remember that one person’s traitor is another’s hero. During the war of independence the Patriots were traitors according to the British. Had they lost that war they all would have been hung and the Loyalists would have been heros. As it turned out the Patriots won and they became the heros and the Loyalists were the traitors. The winning side writes the history books as they say.

#252 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:55 am

Austrian Military Rations:

Several officers from different countries are sitting together in a bar. After a some small-talk, the American officer says the US Army was recently able to improve the nutritional value of their field rations to 4000 calories per day.

To which the Austrian officer replies: “Bullshit! There is no way in hell one soldier could eat 18 kilograms of turnips in one day!”

#253 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:58 am

The only people who think onions are the only vegetable that can make you cry have never dropped a turnip on their toe.

#254 Sky on 01.11.21 at 10:05 am

@ elevatorfartz # 236 :

“Trump is sulking…not silenced.

When his bs and lies are no longer tolerated….what else does he really have to say?”

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You took the word “silenced” too literally. It was used to illustrate the unchecked power of unelected Big Tech oligarchs.

Trump’s speech isn’t in any kind of danger. Loudmouth will be back in one form or another. After all, he’s one big fish.

No. It’s the little people I worry about. And the small, struggling tech companies who are being nuked by the defacto big tech monopolies.

Trump was NOT a champion of free speech. Many, many smaller voices were crushed during his presidency by the same oligarchs who just deplatformed him. And he did nothing about this other than tweet, tweet, tweet.

What goes around comes around. So Trump gets kicked off Twitter. This is karma that Trump has earned!

Let me paraphrase a TRUE thing which Trump said — ” They’re not after me. They’re after YOU.”

Just research who else got dumped off Twitter when Trump did, and you’ll see what he meant. Trump was just the excuse Big Tech needed to do this. This is what I meant when I said “purge”. These people have indeed been purged. Very ominous.

#255 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:08 am

#243 Guelph Guru on 01.11.21 at 9:20 am
Am a bit tired of Trump and COVID.

Hope they both fade into oblivion. It would be nice if the Trumpsters spook Mr. Market and cause a 10 to 20% market correction. Have to put some money to work.
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Amen to that bro, but I think the MSM is going to want to keep Trump alive as long as possible, he’s going to leave a big hole. Hopefully he doesn’t do the speech/book thing later.

As for a correction, there’s plenty of time for that later. Lets just bask in the warm glow of these sweet recent gains for a while first.

#256 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:11 am

#253 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:58 am
The only people who think onions are the only vegetable that can make you cry have never dropped a turnip on their toe.
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Always wear proper footwear when handling turnips.

#257 Dharma Bum on 01.11.21 at 10:14 am

Only ONE MAN is responsible for the violence and turmoil we are witnessing today.

One Man.

His name is Jim Morrison. From the Doors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHOu6yVCxLI

#258 Calgary Kyle on 01.11.21 at 10:19 am

The solution to speech you don’t like is speech you do like. Not deleting the speech you don’t like, this does not prove you are right. All it does is prove you don’t want to hear what someone else has to say. Free speech must be for everyone and unless it is absolutely explicitly calling for something illegal then it should stand.

The picture of the burning books is essentially what big tech is doing. They are burning/deleting others free speech.

I for one am glad I don’t have to see Trumps all caps twitter nonsense but not at the cost of free speech.

#259 Randy on 01.11.21 at 10:20 am

Insurrection Act Invoked….Corrupt Media & Social Media goes down….Hooray….Don’t be afraid…You’ll love the Ending

#260 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.11.21 at 10:20 am

@#254 Sky
“These people have indeed been purged. Very ominous.”

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When one considers it “ominous” to be banned from Twitter…..
A vapid, infotainment snippet of life…..
Its a sad day.

What would “banned for life” from Facebook be considered?
Sacrilegious?

#261 George S on 01.11.21 at 10:23 am

Almost nobody reads the “fine print”.

If people would simply read the user agreement that they agree to and accept by using various services provided by various private businesses, they would realize that they are wasting their time complaining. It is all there in plain language.
Even airplane tickets, page after page of fine print.

People also need to realize that there are consequences to breaking laws, even ones that they misinterpret. By being a citizen of a country you are agreeing to abide by its laws, whatever they may be. If you don’t agree with the laws, it is your problem and if you try and make it someone else’s problem someone is going to return it to being your problem.

If you are going to try and claim anything in a court of law, one of the foundations of the legal system worldwide, in every country that has a democratically chosen government, is that you require legitimate, verifiable evidence. Rantings of a known verifiable pathological liar are not evidence.

Editorials in news media often have disclaimers to protect the news outlets from liability. Believe these editorials at your peril. If you have a feeling that an editorial is untruthful and it has a disclaimer, your feelings are probably correct.

Drug companies are very careful to make sure their products are safe and effective because their main overriding job is to make money for their shareholders. They do not have the protection of disclaimers, sometimes known as “quack disclaimers” that are used on all alternative “medicines” and alternative “medical treatments”.

If you are a baker and feel that you do not have to provide services to people if you didn’t want to, why would you expect some other business to be forced to provide services to you?

#262 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:31 am

I’ve been seeing opossum tracks in the snow out behind the shop. Must be a few camping out for the winter back there. I decided to do a little reading on these new arrivals to our area. The ones we have are the “Virginia opossum”, they can look cute, or ugly. They seem to be similar to a coon where if you freeze, they seem to have trouble seeing you. They are a marsupial – which I did not know. The ones I’ve encountered are sizable, I’d guess ~10 lbs. They eat all kinds of pests, notably ticks. Up to 5000 ticks per animal, per season.

We’re right at the northern edge of their range, but I’ve seen them around for almost 5 years now, so I think they’re here to stay. I think I like them, especially the tick, mouse, vole, rat eating parts.

#263 Randy Cross on 01.11.21 at 10:34 am

The future on the satellite internet….will help change everything (will stop censorship of ideas) …. and the new Global Quantum Financial System, NESARA and Quantum Voting Systems….Freedom from Tyranny…The Future is Bright.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-42000-starlink-satellites-earth-effects-stars-2020-10?op=1

#264 Burger baby on 01.11.21 at 10:45 am

DELETED

#265 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 01.11.21 at 10:47 am

We are guaranteed free speech but we are not guaranteed a platform for it.

#266 Fortvna on 01.11.21 at 10:56 am

176 Fortvna on 01.10.21 at 9:15 pm
167 OK, Doomer on 01.10.21 at 8:53
227 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 7:59 am

You started off saying that free speech was important, then went on to describe a way to destroy free speech.

Classic Cognitive Dissonance.
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I don’t see how I did so – could you elaborate for my benefit? Is your position that attempting greater stringency/reasoning in our words and thoughts serves to destroy free speech? I didn’t mean to suggest that this should be exercised on the part of a free speaker (although it wouldn’t hurt), but simply that it’s incumbent on the listener to be critical.

#267 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 10:57 am

#256 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:11 am
#253 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:58 am

The only people who think onions are the only vegetable that can make you cry have never dropped a turnip on their toe.

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Always wear proper footwear when handling turnips.

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Of course. One must employ complete personal protective equipment when handling nutritive vegetative products of any type.

#268 jess on 01.11.21 at 11:17 am

libertarian – funded tea party
r. mercer funded parler for conservative views?
” Donald Trumps republican party”.. the law and order party. ….no worries …as the grifter in fiefdom will pay for your lawyer or pardon you.
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“On Amazon Web Services, Parler had gone from a negligible spend to paying more than $300,000 a month for hosting, according to multiple sources.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws
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Louis XIV’s motto, “L’etat c’est moi.”
The Barr Memo and the Imperial Presidency
https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-barr-memo-and-the-imperial-presidency/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/trump-myth-unitary-executive/605062/

HEATHER COX RICHARDSON:
..”what we saw yesterday was the overwhelming attack of the Executive Branch, the president and the people in the Executive Branch, to destroy the people’s branch, the Legislative Branch. Trump has maintained since he was in office that the Executive is superior to the Legislative Branch. That it does not have to answer to the Legislative Branch. And he and his supporters in the government are big proponents of the idea of what’s called the unitary executive which, because the president is at the top of the Executive Branch and the branches are co-equal, that means that nobody can check the president. And I think it’s really important for the Legislative Branch, the Congress, the people’s branch, to say, “Oh, wait a minute. In fact, we do have a way to push back on an overly strong Executive. And that is to impeach you and convict you and put the vice president in your place.” And if we do not push back on what this president has done forcefully and immediately, this is only the first step in the destruction of American democracy. It is not the last. And on that, I feel incredibly strongly.
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https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/
Fourteenth Amendment

Section 3

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

#269 Randy on 01.11.21 at 11:31 am

Twitter…..going Down

#270 Another Deckchair on 01.11.21 at 11:42 am

@20 Marco Polo

(First, thank you for highlighting this)

The term “Internet” comes from the lower layer protocol of the “Internet” – IP – which predates Al Gore by a decade or two.

Also, the WWW (World Wide Web) is not the “Internet” – the WWW uses the Internet to get data around. Like owing a Tesla – you still use the highways for transportation.

I know, it’s confusing. It makes sense to me (smile) having been actively involved in the “ARPANET” (I had a “NIC Handle” you can look up in the RFCs for those as old as I am) and worked a bit on the HTML5 standards (among many other network-centric things) but do understand that it is convoluted.

#271 Flop... on 01.11.21 at 11:59 am

Nervous Nellies on the blog should probably get this chart converted into custom wallpaper and put it on their bedroom ceilings.

You’ll sleep better at night…

M46BC

Charted: How the S&P 500 Generated Fantastic Returns in a Tough Year.

“2020 was a bad year, but not for the stock market. In fact, the S&P 500 ended the year at an all-time record high. But that doesn’t mean there weren’t challenges along the way, as our latest visualization shows.”

*S&P 500 index provided a V-shaped performance throughout 2020, opening the year at 3,258 before collapsing to 2,237 on March 23 and then rising to an all-time record of 3,756 on December 31.

*2020 also saw the S&P 500 set a record for the fastest bear market, including the third worst one-day decline ever on March 16.

*April 2020 was one of the best months in 80 years of stock market history, with the S&P 500 growing over 12%.

*The S&P 500 index’s rapid recovery in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic highlights how the stock market is very different from how regular people experience the economy.

https://howmuch.net/articles/sp500-index-performance-in-2020

#272 BillinBC on 01.11.21 at 12:08 pm

139 MCG

The issue is who abrogates the power to decree what is moral and socially acceptable behaviour. The media, the Starbucks barista, the perpetually and easily offended, the mob?

You ask when is free speech not deserving of freedom?
Garth, we won’t have freedom without absolutely free speech. We sealed our fate when some of us decided they don’t want to hear what they don’t like.
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Well put!

“Murder the Media” was left on a Capitol door by the Trumpists. Why? Because they don’t want to hear what they don’t like. Bloviating hypocrites. – Garth

#273 BillinBC on 01.11.21 at 12:19 pm

#155 Anonymous 2

Agree 100%. Interesting our host didn’t push back

#274 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 12:21 pm

#267 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 10:57 am
#256 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:11 am
#253 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:58 am

The only people who think onions are the only vegetable that can make you cry have never dropped a turnip on their toe.

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Always wear proper footwear when handling turnips.

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Of course. One must employ complete personal protective equipment when handling nutritive vegetative products of any type.
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Especially since time lost injuries due to careless handling of vegetables (and of course, fruits) are no longer insured by the WSIB.

#275 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:28 pm

#262 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:31 am

Believe it or not, the opossum makes a good pet. One of my brothers has three… Ugly as hell in my opinion, but they can be sweet.

#276 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 12:36 pm

Faron,

You may be interested to know that I have taken some profits from the Stock That Shall Not Be Named.

To determine a partial exit point, I used the classic and highly technical strategy known as: ‘selling when the initial position multiplier equals one’s age’. Complicated and mathematically tricky, yes… but sometimes deep statistical calculations are necessary.

So, when asked how the government will fund its massive deficit, a legitimate answer can be: ‘by taxing Sail Away’s capital gains’

#277 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 12:36 pm

I want one:

https://sxsguys.com/news/annoucements/yamaha-launches-wolverine-rmax-1000/

#278 Elon Fanboy on 01.11.21 at 12:39 pm

Why hasn’t Facebook been deplatformed? Many of those US riots were planned on FB groups.

Double standards?

Because FB didn’t do it, Bubba. – Garth

#279 OK, Doomer on 01.11.21 at 12:44 pm

I don’t see how I did so – could you elaborate for my benefit? Is your position that attempting greater stringency/reasoning in our words and thoughts serves to destroy free speech?
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Yes. What you are describing is subject to arbitrary rulings, and that is what we are sliding into right now.

In a free society people are able to be as smart or as stupid as they want. There is no means test.

It’s not like a carnival ride where someone decides that you can only get on board if you are taller than this mark. Is that scary and uncomfortable? Yes. But it’s supposed to be. That is a feature of the system, not a bug.

#280 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:54 pm

#238 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 9:00 am

#216 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:44 am
#168 Sail Away on 01.10.21 at 8:54 pm

To clarify: options trading has no place in the types of investments this blog advocates for.

Don’t worry about me w/re puts or options of any kind. I’ll no sooner open a margin account with options trading capability than I will purchase an XBox for similar reasons. Hence the “gambling” disclaimer on that post.

That said, it if fits in one’s entertainment budget, $250 spent on a Feb expiring TSLA put could provide a lot of fun in the intervening month. If I remember and anyone is interested, I’ll post the closing price of that option every now and then so folks can see how the money would vaporize through delta and theta bleed (or not).

I haven’t read Nassim yet, so maybe you can clarify if he’s warning people off selling OTM options versus buying them. Puchasing options has clearly defined downside risk — ALL. Selling options has almost unlimited risk. i.e. if you sell an OTM option for a few bucks a share and the option lands ITM, your exposure will by many times the few dollars earned from selling the contract. I’m guessing he’s warning amateurs like myself against the seemingly attractive “free money” that selling OTM options can bring because of the very real risk of a complete wipe-out/bankruptcy.

#281 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 12:56 pm

#274 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:28 pm
#262 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:31 am

Believe it or not, the opossum makes a good pet. One of my brothers has three… Ugly as hell in my opinion, but they can be sweet.

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It really depends on the marinade, actually.

#282 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 12:58 pm

#275 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:28 pm
#262 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:31 am

Believe it or not, the opossum makes a good pet. One of my brothers has three… Ugly as hell in my opinion, but they can be sweet.
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I don’t doubt it. They’d be easy to feed, that’s for sure. Don’t live very long though.

#283 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:11 pm

#276 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 12:36 pm

Good on you. I won’t tell Elon, don’t worry. Maybe you should buy tracts of crown-adjacent land that make up the shape of the Tesla logo when viewed from space?

When punters like myself start talking options, that’s a clear sign of market froth.

#284 Dmitry on 01.11.21 at 1:26 pm

Three thoughts:

1. It is unquestionably wrong that Apple, Google, etc have control over things that they control. It is the fault of the people who buy into this by purchasing these devices and depending on these services.

2. The president should have thought about that much earlier and at least created his own web site if he wanted to maintain access to his audience reliably.

3. However it is cool that these evil corporations can block the president without fear of retribution. Let’s just say that in North Korea or Russia or China or many other places such a thing would be unthinkable, and anybody who forgets that would be punished swiftly and dramatically.

#285 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 1:34 pm

#283 Faron on 01.11.21 at 1:11 pm
#276 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 12:36 pm

Good on you.

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Thanks! Regarding Taleb, he’s specifically discussing OTM puts which paid off handsomely for him, but also cause him endless distress as money continually and steadily dribbles away for weeks, months, years… sort of like Columbus sailing on hope with no real expectation land will be found… as the stores reduce. The downside is limited to zero, though, not deficit.

#286 Pandemic my derriere on 01.11.21 at 1:50 pm

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#287 Diamond Dog on 01.11.21 at 1:53 pm

#224 Sky on 01.11.21 at 6:48 am

When large social media companies shut down Trump Twitter accounts etc., its to keep themselves from lawsuits. Twitter can, for example, use the excuse that they didn’t know Trump’s messaging would lead to a riot or insurrection the first time it happens. What Twitter can’t do, is use the same excuse if it happens again. What we need to be asking ourselves is, “Is Trump a clear and present danger to public individuals and or their institutions?”

We’ve witnessed his vindictive nature for 4 years or more, we should know the answer to that by now.

Trump used social media to organize a rally blocks away from the Capitol building on the same day as the electoral college vote weeks in advance knowing he had Republican support to try to overturn the electoral college vote which was in itself, a procedural stunt. Then Trump, through this rally, incites a riot. “Fight for Trump, Fight for Trump, Fight for Trump”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAQTTgrrkPs

The far right nutter dignitaries were, of course, invited to come at the organized event and were there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwbhC2Un2Y

https://www.jta.org/2021/01/07/united-states/hate-on-display-your-guide-to-the-symbols-and-signs-on-display-at-the-stop-the-count-insurrection

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/index.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/7561868/prominent-far-right-groups-u-s-capitol-mob/

Naturally, it will look like a shit show when these losers show up with a leader like Trump fomenting the crowd. The one good thing, seriously the one good thing about Trump in all this was that he was piss poor at most everything he tried including a riot end game, but lets not kid ourselves.

Trump organized this rally weeks in advance. A rally full of semi organized misfits showed up and he worked up the crowd to riot the capitol building and as the riot was ongoing, the one individual that could stop it with the national guard or more cops, the commander and chief Trump, did nothing to stop it leading to more than 50 injured cops, 5 dead, a stain on the institution of law and order and it could have been much worse.

If it was anyone else who did this in the U.S., they would be locked up by now, likely for life or maybe shot. What Trump did was criminal and there’s no point minimizing it. Is Trump a clear and present danger, is he unhinged, unmoored, untethered, unlaced?

Watch the rally. Just watch the rally and see if you can say to yourself with a straight face Trump wouldn’t try it again or send signals for insurrection at the inauguration or any point thereafter. Would you want to be the media executive who sends that public message, or would you censor? It’s not a hard choice.

#288 AdrianO Celentano on 01.11.21 at 1:54 pm

There is an old Poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

#289 Calgary Rip Off on 01.11.21 at 2:00 pm

Seems likely the anger generated is precisely because computers are being used. Writing code, Java, Python, whatever seems to promote mental irritation, at least to some. For some maybe code makes them happy, however computers are inherently irritating due to their savant nature. Perhaps this irritation has carried over in whole to society through these “apps”.

I don’t use twitter, instagram, snapchat because it establishes maladaptive thinking patterns. “likes” by some stranger may initially feel good however is mostly irrelevant. Who cares about what a stranger thinks about you unless they are wishing you harm? As such the promoters of such products only want one thing: Money.

There is no freedom of speech anywhere. Ive questioned whether Trumps goals were in fact fulfilled. Perhaps he manipulated people to do his bidding but to what end? Does he face jail time? Bankruptcy? His brand is certainly ruined. And he seems to forgotten that as president he did have the white house debriefing room. Additionally hundreds are facing jail time because they didn’t think through their actions. Whether all this destruction will eliminate or review the need for the electoral college, it seems warranted. The Canadian system is far superior to that established as “for the people” in the United States. Of course those who don’t like the system can do as I did and leave permanently. After the stolen Al Gore election and illegal Iraq invasion I left.

Thank you for the intel about the destruction of the AP stuff. Not good.

#290 G on 01.11.21 at 2:18 pm

Hi Garth,

Is your Blog on a server that you fully control? Because access to peaceful free speech/information is important I think.

I hope we are presently just seeing a passing storm, time will tell I guess. But at present I’m glade I don’t have kids to worry about.

I almost added some links that still give me a bit of hope, but given the MSM doesn’t cover them, who’s to say what the truth is anyway. I guess I can check what is said in future history books. The winners of wars get to write the books after all. (after they burn the old ones.)

#291 Faron on 01.11.21 at 2:27 pm

#284 Dmitry on 01.11.21 at 1:26 pm

Users can’t be blamed for driving the evolution of tech although they can for their personal statements. Have you ever read the terms of use on any of the software products you use? Didn’t think so. The EULA? Hah.

The ubiquity and essential role of these services means they should be regulated as broadcast cos. I think you should be allowed to wild west on the internet all you want on your own platform. It takes 5 minutes to set yourself up a website. When the wild westing comes to these platforms that, apparently, democracy now relies on it has to be regulated.

However, Twitter and most of the others put themselves in a very dumb position by waiting until a baddy came along to apply its own rules. They have no moral authority here and thus can’t escape pissing everyone off going forward.

#292 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 2:27 pm

#281 Sail Away on 01.11.21 at 12:56 pm
#274 Faron on 01.11.21 at 12:28 pm
#262 IHCTD9 on 01.11.21 at 10:31 am

Believe it or not, the opossum makes a good pet. One of my brothers has three… Ugly as hell in my opinion, but they can be sweet.

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It really depends on the marinade, actually.
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Hey, if they’re good eating, maybe I should get a few. Based on what I’ve read, I could get rid of the composter, retire the Cat, save a little wear on my shovel, and all it’ll cost me is a little real estate in the freezer.

#293 JonBoy on 01.11.21 at 2:31 pm

If you wish to be honest, you will also admit if the Jan. 6th crowd had been black, the scene would have been explosively different with a vigorous and violent police response. It has been reported Trump asked the National Guard to stand down last Wednesday and was pleased with the course of events. – Garth

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Sorry, but that projection is not supported by how police reacted to the violent protests of mainly black people rioting and destroying public and private property in the last year, including direct attacks (and destruction) of police vehicles and property. You make it sound like there weren’t black people in the crowd on January 6 (hint: there were)…

A white woman got shot and killed by police in the events on Capitol Hill. I’m not sure how much worse you think it would have been. You think they would have opened fire on them, as a group? What factual basis would support a different approach of crowd control (or retreating, as they did)?

Projecting a response assists no one and hurts your argument while causing a greater rift. You don’t know that they would have done anything different so it is nonsensical to assume otherwise.

As stated, look at their response to the riots (aka “peaceful protests”) that killed people and destroyed property, where no police officers opened fire despite being attacked.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-police-adrian-diaz-condemns-protest-violence/281-870bccab-d0d4-4cac-845b-6a37c09d837e

Despite being attacked, police officers still didn’t shoot anyone.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/thousands-gather-capitol-hill-solidarity-with-demonstrations-portland/STVDEK5XUJHWLL2HQZT2NWDYVY/

59 officers injured but they didn’t open fire on the crowd or kill anyone.

“A crowd threw rocks, bottles and mortars at officers during the protests, according to police.”

They didn’t even use tear gas but went with non-lethal, relatively benign tactics to disperse the crowd.

Now, based on that, how do you think it would have been different if the crowd on Capitol Hill was mostly black? In my mind, based on ACTUAL POLICE RESPONSES, it would have been the same. A crowd is a crowd, regardless of colour, and you’re not going to get away with shooting them down in this day and age.

They retreated, regrouped, and then pushed them out. You’re not going to take on a crowd of thousands with 50 officers lacking the proper equipment…

#294 Herman on 01.11.21 at 8:03 pm

Elon Fanboy, I totally agree with you.

#295 Herman on 01.11.21 at 8:04 pm

Elon Fanboy, I totally agree with you. People think they gained something but don’t realize what they have given away.

#296 Dan on 01.12.21 at 12:00 am

To Brett in Calgary

Who gets to decide, Why the 3-G’s…
Government, Google,& Garth!
(sarc)

#297 Scott on 01.12.21 at 9:50 am

@#1
It’s not up to a company to decide if speech is moral. It’s up to companies to enforce their rules/policies. It’s up to the government to step in and regulate companies rules/policies if they’re unconstitutional/illegal.

It’s up to the super market to kick me out if I’m not wearing a shirt or a mask or if I’m harassing other customers. It’s up to the government to step in if they’re not enforcing these policies properly or have set a policy that infringes on people’s rights.

Some one already referenced the supreme court’s decision that a private company can refuse to do business with an individual just as a an individual can decide not to do business with a company.

IMO their ruling infringed on title VI protections from the civil rights act that basically say that individuals can’t be discriminated against based on their gender, religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, age.

Can’t imagine a GOP supreme court will be curtailing corporate power any time in the next couple decades. Justice Roberts has been the most pro business justice in the bench’s history but I fully expect the Trump trio to give him a good run for that title.

#298 Chris P Gallant on 01.12.21 at 1:10 pm

The Trump-Twitter ban is interesting. While I’m not sure I agree with Twitter’s decision, I do not feel they are limiting free speech. There are literally hundreds of hundreds of other options for him to communicate with his minions. Forcing Twitter to allow him access would be like forcing ABC, CNN and NBC to give him air time whenever he wanted.
Secondly, Don agreed to Twitter’s TOS. It is solely his responsibility to adhere to those standards and if he can’t, then he deserves to lose his privilege.
Bottom line for me, is this isn’t a free speech issue (and even if it was, as far as I can tell, the 1st amendment only refers to government enacting laws limiting speech, not public/private companies), this is a terms of service issue. Can’t follow the rules Twitter set out? You lose your right to play.