Duty

As I wing out of The Big Smoke Friday morning it’s expected the bully premier will lock the place down. No joy for Owen. His hair salon downtown, he told me, almost died earlier this year when the province ordered it shut for three months. Without the landlord forgiving rent, it would have been curtains. The road back’s been painful. Another forced closure would be the end.

Around the corner a rocking Italian restaurant was forced to move when the LL sold out to a condo developer. The owner moved a few blocks north and spent a million making the dining room Covid-compliant. Clear plastic walls around tables. New Hepa HVAC. Then the city went red and indoor meals were prohibited. So screwed.

Is the virus winning?

Seems like it some days. In BC Comrade Premier Horgan went tribal this week, asking the prime minister to ban inter-provincial travel. Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course. In Ontario and Quebec new case counts are at record levels. Even the Atlantic Bubble’s being breached as the NS chief medical guy decries “a worrisome spike.”

In the States, a disaster. Next week there may be 200,000 new daily infections. Deaths are now 250,000. That’s four times all fatals in the Vietnam war. It’s eighty Nine Elevens. Yesterday they closed down the NYC public school system, the nation’s largest. Deaths are now projected to be 400,000 within a month or two. The stock market burped and stumbled this week as investors see-sawed between vaccine euphoria and revulsion at the economic carnage.

Pivotal to this is a president in the White House more obsessed with clinging to power and undermining the electoral process than he is with public health. Trump, as you know, was still mocking people wearing masks a few weeks ago – eight months into the global pandemic. When deaths were 200,000 he told people not to be afraid of the virus, that recovery was ‘just around the corner’ and the economy should open. Now there are fifty thousand more graves. The economy’s more uncertain, and he refuses to recognize or assist the man who will take over in two months.

This week the iconic Dr. Fauci says, if all goes well, people may start discarding their masks about this time in 2021. For that to happen a majority of the US population will have to be vaccinated. For that to occur, the federal government must be on a war-time footing, utterly focused on serum production, distribution, inoculation and oversight. And while the Trump administration helped to fund the warp speed vax process, the nation’s now mired in a post-election swamp of vile allegations, debilitating conflict and heartbreaking inaction. Because of one guy. Without grace, class, patriotism or a sense of the greater good.

So what does this mean to you?

Hmm. The next two months will likely be ones of market stress, volatility and swings. Investors are waiting to see what craziness Trump is capable of. Will he start an international conflict? Use executive orders to kneecap Biden? Refuse to leave in January? Also, will Congress pass the multi-trillion-dollar stimulus package so clearly needed? How about the Senate run-off elections in January – will control of that body go red or blue? And what impact will that have on a new president to corral the Covid crisis?

“Congress is playing with fire,” says my buddy Ed Pennock. “Or so the market started to worry. The recovery may be more elongated. For sure, closing the output gap is going to take longer.” That gap is the difference between what the economy’s capable of doing, and what it actually produces. The difference is measured in unemployed workers, failed businesses and broken families.

If you think this suggests selling the stuff in your RRSP or tax-free account and going to cash, you would be wrong. People with balanced portfolios may see some flow from equity assets into fixed income as market sentiment slops around. You’ll see some dark days ahead as US deaths increase, Canadian cities lock down and Trump blows up. But also expect this: central bankers will be the adults in the room, public health officials will prevail, the quixotic American president will be gone, trillions will gush out of Congress, the vaccine will finally arrive and society will be saved.

By the time you peel off the mask, your portfolio will be healthy. Then may we look back on this chapter and see we almost lost it.

 

195 comments ↓

#1 Flop... on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm

Doug Ford looks really awkward at those press briefings with his arm positions.

Two choices, as far as I can tell.

Lose weight.

Or get an arm extension operation done…

M46BC

#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm

Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.

#3 Turnip Nation on 11.19.20 at 4:30 pm

Oxford Study Confirms Astra Covid Shot’s Response in Elderly

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-19/oxford-study-confirms-covid-shot-s-response-in-older-adults

#4 East Coast Life Style on 11.19.20 at 4:31 pm

Does anyone know the false positive rate
for the PCR tests?

#5 Smartalox on 11.19.20 at 4:40 pm

Canadians thing that ‘our governments saved us’ because we have managed to fare so much better than the USA.

But all levels of Canadian government were caught embarrassingly unprepared, and now, even eight months into the pandemic, governments announce restrictions or mandates in press conferences, but then when people call the board of health to get more info, the officials have nothing to offer: no plans for safe re-opening, no means to inspect and ensure safety measures are adequate. And no plan to implement any assessments either.

This has been a huge let-down, and a major failure of Government for Canadians: a restaurant owner takes a million-dollar risk to outfit their business, but get shut down anyway, because there’s no way to assess whether they’re in compliance. It’s like killing flies with shotguns, because you can’t imagine any alternative.

#6 Jim on 11.19.20 at 4:41 pm

It’s a delusion to think that we can control a .3 micron virus with anything, including cloth masks. This second wave is not soley because of house parties, but because it’s the flu season, when viruses thrive outside the body for long periods. We saw this coming, but are insanely surprised that our pathetic efforts to control a virus are ineffective.

Alberta stats make it clear that this virus is mainly killing people over 80, with an average age of death due to Covid-19 at 82. Yet all efforts to protect the vulnerable have fallen flat. Hospitals and long term care facilities are where most fatalities have occurred. The government is helpless to stop it.

But they want to punish the general population for their failure by parental type threats to lock down society once more for the populace’s failure to control an uncontrolable virus and the public is getting very tired of the rhetoric, virus shaming, and brow beating.

It’s time to stop this nonsense! BC’s ever extended coastal lockdown is not going to work. Alberta is breathing all sorts of threats and most young people just want to get on with their lives.

#7 Jimmy Zhao on 11.19.20 at 4:41 pm

Thank you for another excellent summary on the current state of things.
It seems we have had a bit of a respite from ‘all things covid’ in the summer.
And now we face the cold long dark days of winter ahead. I hope we can all encourage one another to hang in there and look out for each other as we look forward to Spring.

#8 I’m stupid on 11.19.20 at 4:41 pm

Should mail in ballots count? I don’t think so. The reason elections have had secret in person voting is because it’s the only way to ensure it’s done without manipulation or coercion.

In mail in voting a person from a republican household might feel obligated to vote that way. The same goes in a democratic household. What happens in a household where husband wants to vote one way and wife another? Would you argue with your significant other or just concede? What about if mom votes for everyone and ask you to sign? Too many issues to make it legal.

With that being said, the voting process should have been contested before the election not after. You can’t cry after the fact since you accepted the terms.

Biden won Trump lost, let’s move on.

Biden won trump lost. Lest move on!

Ah, there’s a pandemic. Mail-in ballots are the safest way to vote. – Garth

#9 virginia on 11.19.20 at 4:42 pm

read the Berrington initiative – lockdowns make no sense

#10 Linda on 11.19.20 at 4:44 pm

Went looking to see where vaccines are at. At least 8 different Covid vaccines are now in ‘Stage 3’ trials. Some news articles indicate actual doses will be available to the Canadian public in ‘early 2021’.

As for the death rate in the USA, while I agree that the Donald did encourage speedy vaccine development his actions otherwise have not been what one might have expected from a leader who cared about anything or anyone other than himself. Inauguration Day can’t come soon enough.

#11 TurnerNation on 11.19.20 at 4:51 pm

For my handful of fans, Everyone must *read & share* Ace Goodheart’s post with all people you know – not much more to be said:

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/11/18/the-reset-3/#comment-749626

– As noted in April every system designed to help us has been turned against us. The “New System” I dubbed it.

– UBI Watch: we are at a 7 out of 10 on the scale imo. Every (former) First World country is being shut down this winter into Q1. You know what Q1 will bring.

– Flip everything our rulers say 180 degrees to make sense. We are now CLOSED for business.

“Yours to Discover’ to ‘Open for Business’: Ontario licence plate …globalnews.ca › news › ontario-licence-plate-redesign
Mar 29, 2019 — Premier Doug Ford unveiled this “Ontario open for business” sign in … Global News has learned of Premier Doug Ford’s plans to change the …”

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm

#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm
Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.
———–
Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.

#13 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 4:56 pm

While deaths are a tragedy that happens on life, 250,000 in the US is well below the prediction of 2.2 million. I would say that that is good news, no?

#14 Paddy on 11.19.20 at 4:57 pm

“The owner moved a few blocks north and spent a million making the dining room Covid-compliant”…….

Did he literally spend a million or an over exaggeration….should have said Eff it and invested that milly in a B&D portfolio….he’s obv not a reader of your blog. Safe travels ol’ buddy

#15 Doug t on 11.19.20 at 4:57 pm

Many people I know are very stressed – covid fatigue, media, etc. I fear if this goes even worse this winter what will become of many people on the edge

#16 Flop... on 11.19.20 at 4:58 pm

I read a newspaper article last night that said Australian unemployment has risen slightly to 7%.

Then I remembered a few days ago my buddies over at howmuch had done a world wide snapshot.

Australia, they had at 6.9% before the rise, so it seems to checkout.

Canada they have at listed at 9.7% unemployment, in with the likes of Uruguay and that economic powerhouse San Marino.

The lowest one pictured is Thailand at a tiny 1% but then they talk about Billy Bob’s Czech Republic and Singapore being the lowest in the early 3’s.

The highest unemployment number on the visualization is South Africa at a whopping 37%.

No wonder the South African carpenter at work is o.k with me singing along to Men At Work.

Who can it be now…

M46BC

“The Unemployment Rate for Each Country Before More Coronavirus Lockdowns

Unemployment numbers swelled around the world this past spring when countries slammed shut their economies to slow down the coronavirus. With another wave of the pandemic hitting right now, here is where unemployment around the world stands as countries contemplate more closures.”

*Unemployment rates are significantly higher in underdeveloped countries compared to advanced economies. The worst rates are in South Africa (37%), the West Bank and Gaza (32.2%) and the Bahamas (25.1%).

*Singapore (3%), the Czech Republic (3.1%) and Switzerland (3.2%) have the lowest unemployment rates in the world, signaling how some economies are faring during the coronavirus pandemic.

*The US falls somewhere in the middle of the pack compared to the rest of the world. With an unemployment rate hovering around 8.9%, the US ranked 45 out of 103 countries.

*The two regions fairing relatively well compared to the rest of the world are Central and East European countries

https://howmuch.net/articles/unemployment-rate-around-the-world-2020

#17 Calgary on 11.19.20 at 4:59 pm

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#18 -=withwings=- on 11.19.20 at 5:00 pm

Does anyone know the false positive rate
for the PCR tests?

Not really a concern here, it is the false negative rate that impacts infection rates. Current fasle+vs is somewhere between 1-4%

positive tests are followed up with another test (usually in 4 days). negative tests you are let go and free to roam.

#19 Calgary on 11.19.20 at 5:08 pm

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#20 Dolce Vita on 11.19.20 at 5:10 pm

#4 East Coast Life Style

Yes.

All I did was select your comment text, right click in Chrome and in the pop-up menu select:

Search Google for…

Found it right away.

-Admi Ad Hominem

#21 conan on 11.19.20 at 5:11 pm

Too bad they can not fine Trump personally for delaying the transition of government. There is a serious cost to what Trump is doing.

#22 dogwhistle on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm

#11 TurnerNation on 11.19.20 at 4:51 pm

“the new system”

—————————————————-

Do make yourself scarce…
The last thing we need is that kind of entitlement to stupidity.
I do wish the webmaster of this blog would block your IP address…

#23 Rainman on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm

So tempting to go to cash and ride this out, but yeah balance makes sense. You can’t time. Tempting though.. lol

#24 Doug t on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm

#11 Tnation

PREACH IT BROTHER

#25 jal on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm

“the federal government must be on a war-time footing, utterly focused on serum production, distribution, inoculation and oversight.”

You said it all.
“Also, will Congress pass the multi-trillion-dollar stimulus package so clearly needed?”

Biden just said that he had a meeting with Governors.
Paraphasing —- The fed will give money to the states, municipalities, teachers, medical establishment for your pass expenses and for your future expenses because of covid19. Also, free testing and free vaccines for everyone.
I agree with you.
” trillions will gush out of Congress, the vaccine will finally arrive and society will be saved.”

#26 Island Girl's Dad on 11.19.20 at 5:13 pm

#6 Jim
If you think that some of the dogs in your neighborhood have fleas and you don’t want the fleas infesting your dog, you don’t put up a fence with holes so small that the fleas can’t get through. You put up a fence with spaces small enough to keep the dogs carrying the fleas from getting through. The masks don’t keep individual viruses from getting through. They keep the large respiratory droplets that are emitted from people who talk, cough, sneeze, etc. and have the viruses clinging to them from getting through.

#27 William R Drury on 11.19.20 at 5:14 pm

BANNED

#28 DON on 11.19.20 at 5:16 pm

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm
#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm
Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.
———–
Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.

************

Gotta wonder what Cal thinks about the character of the following jackals and the people who keptef them in power.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7459165/former-senior-b-c-official-says-he-warned-minister-of-suspected-drug-money-laundering-in-b-c-casinos/

#29 R on 11.19.20 at 5:17 pm

Trump puts a new meaning to the phrase “ Anyone can become president “

#30 TurnerNation on 11.19.20 at 5:20 pm

Dunno guys a little concerned we just hit Steps 3-4 of this wacky chart posted on this Oct 15th blog; in Ontariowe, given their plans to shut it all down tomorrow.

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/10/15/virus-porn-2/

#31 Calgary rip off on 11.19.20 at 5:23 pm

# 6 Jim:

The government is NOT powerless to stop Covid. In south France 2 months ago, many deaths in frail elderly were stopped with high dose Vitamin D3.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096007602030296X

Don’t think this is so? Why all the evidence, tons of studies showing high dose vitamin D3 protecting ACE2 receptors in the lungs. Also tons of Vitamin C data on stopping viruses. I don’t have time to list all the relevant data, it is out there. Given that medicines are hit or miss and many don’t have access to them, these two vitamins everyone does, unless they have zero money. As such there is zero excuse for Dr. Tam as the medical overseer for Canada. Blood is on their hands. It is difficult because physicians fear litigation and losing their licenses for recommending vitamins. But guess what? The vaccines aren’t here yet and no one knows for sure their efficacy or long term safety. As such vitamins are available now, which in addition to masks and all the other stuff can help save lives.

I don’t believe for a minute the authorities are doing everything they can. In the United States some physicians are fearfully following the above vitamin protocols as these saints are more concerned with saving lives than losing their med licenses.

#32 Job#1 on 11.19.20 at 5:24 pm

#4 East Coast…

Coupla months ago I read about UK, there it was between 0.8% and 4.3% with the mean at 2.3%. Should really query the manufacturer for their product specs.

#33 Dolce Vita on 11.19.20 at 5:24 pm

“…we look back on this chapter and see we almost lost it.”

ALMOST, are you kidding me!?

1.The virus was likely engineered in order for a cabal of elites to foist global economic control over everyone under the guise of public health measures.
2. Freedoms would be curtailed.
2. Movement restricted.
4. Political power centralized.
5. Then laws enacted to break down national boundaries, socialize the economy and ultimately confiscate private wealth.
6. Along the way currencies would be replaced with a digital version and CBs would take over failed private banks, absorbing their assets and wiping out personal savings.

..sorry and my bad, forgot that was SO YESTERDAY, a new COVID-19 day has blossomed on Planet Earth instead.

[could not resist My Liege]

#34 Econ101 on 11.19.20 at 5:24 pm

Aww but therein lies a silver lining, no one has died from old age or the common cold since March.

#35 El Presidente no more on 11.19.20 at 5:24 pm

Hey Rudy… you need to ask the orange dude for some help!

When the lawyer is sweating bullets… the gig is up!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/19/rudy-giuliani-dye-my-cousin-vinny-press-conference

#36 GrumpyPanda on 11.19.20 at 5:28 pm

Long ago a well educated person informed me that somewhere around the age of 26 you start to die. They meant that despite your exercise routine, diet, regular sleep,etc. your body just wasn’t as capable of self repair. After that microscopic damage continues to accumulate. So for all you “young people that just want to get on with their lives” please volunteer at a hospital or long term care facility. After all, they could probably use the help. And you know that you and your loved ones are the exception to the rule.

#37 The West on 11.19.20 at 5:30 pm

God be with us into this winter.

#38 Figmund Sreud on 11.19.20 at 5:41 pm

Well, … lots have been said on this blog, lately, by the esteemed host, as well all those blog dogs. No trouble, …

Yet, … yet no one suggested to consult the stars for a change of pace: Astrology

Astrology: … a pseudoscience that claims to divine information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the movements and relative positions of celestial objects.(Wikipedia)

Anyway, … don’t get me wrong, I don’t subscribe to Astrology. Far from it, I consider Astrology a voodoo stuff, … sorcery. But, … but I found this posting, that just perhaps will entertain you? Here it goes, but executive summary first:

Executive Summary:The most relentlessly malefic mundane chart I have ever studied greets the incoming administration with a barrage of hostile aspects almost entirely unrelieved by favorable indications. The government can expect to be hammered by one crisis after another, with economic troubles, popular protests, and outbreaks of violence over the top of a spreading collapse of public support in the status quo that puts the entire structure of American governance in question. Whoever is inaugurated early next year is facing political disaster, and whoever becomes the next president thereafter is going to have a gargantuan mess to clean up.

… the rest:

US Presidential Inauguration 2021
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/111369.html

It’s In The Stars
https://youtu.be/DIYSL87SV5E

Best,

F.S. – Calgary, Alberta.

#39 TheDood on 11.19.20 at 5:42 pm

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm
#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm
Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.
———–
Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.
___________________________________

Of course, the majority voted for Horgan, not their fault. Must be Alberta’s.

#40 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 11.19.20 at 5:44 pm

“And while the Trump administration helped to fund the warp speed vax process, the nation’s now mired in a post-election swamp of vile allegations, debilitating conflict and heartbreaking inaction. Because of one guy. Without grace, class, patriotism or a sense of the greater good.” — Garth

While I totally agree with what you wrote about Joe Biden being without grace, class, patriotism, or a sense of the greater good, I thought you wanted everyone to show undeserved respect for anyone who was power-hungry enough to run for a political office. Or does that just apply to Canadian politics?

I think you are done here. – Garth

#41 I’m stupid on 11.19.20 at 5:45 pm

Ah, there’s a pandemic. Mail-in ballots are the safest way to vote. – Garth

No argument there. If Trump didn’t like mail in ballots he should have challenged them before the election.

#42 jess on 11.19.20 at 5:50 pm

volts?

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/aimco-risk-strategy-partly-to-blame-for-nearly-2b-drop-in-value-of-heritage-trust-fund-report-says

from cbc:
AIMCo has been under scrutiny since the spring, when investment managers lost $2.1 billion on a risky investment strategy known as VOLTS. The strategy cost the Heritage fund $411 million, and was partly responsible for Alberta’s nest egg hitting its lowest value in eight years this spring.

The losses prompted AIMCo’s board to order an external review, and the corporation pledged to improve.

In June, the reviewers found internal challenges to investment decisions, risk controls, collaboration and risk culture within the organization were “unsatisfactory.”

no thanks!
Conservative Party government passed a bill in 2019 requiring the Alberta Teachers’ Retirement Fund to use AIMCo as its investment manager.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ceo-leaving-aimco-in-wake-of-2-1-billion-investment-loss-1.5807217

#43 Mattl on 11.19.20 at 5:52 pm

Regarding Horgan and Henry, they have been doing it right out here. We never really had the shutdowns that other regions have had. We have been mostly open for business from day 1. And outcomes relative to other regions have been ok.

So I understand where he is coming from.

#44 C V on 11.19.20 at 5:58 pm

Garth, what are your thoughts on housing OUTSIDE of van/toronto. Where prices are still “rational” is there a good case for a buy? I’m here in Alberta and its been a 10 year slump. Ryan and Doug seem to think O&G might improve, maybe that will bring some life back to the market- specifically. Calgary

#45 dogwhistle on 11.19.20 at 6:01 pm

#24 Doug t on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm
#11 Tnation

PREACH IT BROTHER

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We’ve got another escapee from the asylum.

#46 Ed on 11.19.20 at 6:01 pm

Once I get vaccinated I doubt I’ll be wearing a mask. Hope they give me a tattoo or something to show I’m safe.

#47 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 6:02 pm

#31 Calgary rip off on 11.19.20 at 5:23 pm
# 6 Jim:

The government is NOT powerless to stop Covid. In south France 2 months ago, many deaths in frail elderly were stopped with high dose Vitamin D3.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096007602030296X

Don’t think this is so? Why all the evidence, tons of studies showing high dose vitamin D3 protecting ACE2 receptors in the lungs. Also tons of Vitamin C data on stopping viruses. I don’t have time to list all the relevant data, it is out there. Given that medicines are hit or miss and many don’t have access to them, these two vitamins everyone does, unless they have zero money. As such there is zero excuse for Dr. Tam as the medical overseer for Canada. Blood is on their hands. It is difficult because physicians fear litigation and losing their licenses for recommending vitamins. But guess what? The vaccines aren’t here yet and no one knows for sure their efficacy or long term safety. As such vitamins are available now, which in addition to masks and all the other stuff can help save lives.

I don’t believe for a minute the authorities are doing everything they can. In the United States some physicians are fearfully following the above vitamin protocols as these saints are more concerned with saving lives than losing their med licenses.
—————–
I take Vit D anyway for lack of sunshine in winter.
Vit C has been pushed as a miracle cure for ages.
As for getting enough of them? that’s the issue.
No effective dosages can be established, because everybody is different.
Vit D is in milk and in other foods.
Just had a cup of apple juice. that alone has 120% of the recommended Vit C.
Vit C is pretty much everywhere.
So again, eat a balanced diet and yer fruit and veggies, and you should be ok.
And leave the Doctors to deal with the important things.

#48 Head Chef specializing in Lame duck l'ronge on 11.19.20 at 6:05 pm

All of those questions you posed add up to one main thing. Tune in to the next episode of America elected a mentally ill president who thinks he’s the star of the highest rated tv show in the world and each day is just another episode and it all revolves around him. Costarring Rudy (I lost my mind years ago) Giuliani.

I sure hope people start taking this virus more seriously.

Heartbreaking picture or maybe you could view it as just the love between them and have it be more positive. Just my take on things maybe. At least tugs at the heart either way.

#49 Coho on 11.19.20 at 6:08 pm

This week the iconic Dr. Fauci says, if all goes well, people may start discarding their masks about this time in 2021. For that to happen a majority of the US population will have to be vaccinated.

Carrot and stick/bribe. Just do this and maybe, just maybe…. Perhaps he’s being honest. Masks might not be enough by then. Who knows what else is in store for us.

Someone yesterday had asked if the vaccine makers can be sued. The answer is no. This is my understanding.
At least not in the USA. Government has stepped in between these companies and those bringing lawsuits claiming of harm caused by having taken a vaccine. The Pfizers et al are immune. It is the government one would be suing, using the peoples’ own tax dollars paying lawyers to fight against them.

Nice post yesterday, by Sky. Very entertaining. A nice chronology of days gone by after we “flattened the curve”.

#50 S.O on 11.19.20 at 6:19 pm

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#51 Niagara Region on 11.19.20 at 6:19 pm

RE: PEOPLE WITH SIX-FIGURE INCOMES WHO RECEIVED CERB

Interesting article on people who had $100,000+ incomes receiving CERB:

https://betterdwelling.com/canada-saw-tens-of-thousands-of-six-figure-earners-apply-for-emergency-income/#_

#52 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 6:21 pm

Ah, there’s a pandemic. Mail-in ballots are the safest way to vote. – Garth

Also probably the easiest way to commit voter fraud.

Is there evidence of widespread, coordinated fraud? – Garth

#53 Crusty Crustacean on 11.19.20 at 6:22 pm

All these conspiracy theorists messing up the comments section of your great blog.

I haven’t seen so many homeless longbeards shouting at the sky since the NDP got voted out of Ontario.

#54 Jay on 11.19.20 at 6:24 pm

#6 Jim on 11.19.20 at 4:41 pm

Well said, however In Alberta it seems to be the municipal mayors, the far left and MSM who seem to be demanding a lockdown and the province is trying everything it can to stay open. Soon however they will give the people what they seem to want.

Even the WHO has said to stop using lockdowns as the primary response to controlling this virus, yet here we are doing exactly that. People love to quote the WHO for mask use but ignore it when they say something that doesn’t fit the official narrative.

The other day the chief medical officer reported the death of someone in their 100’s and mourned the tragic loss of life. We as a society seem to have forgotten that people die when they get old.

How many of those 250K dead in the US would not have lived to see the end of the pandemic anyways? What about those now forced to die alone? How many of the living will now have their quality of life forever altered for the worse to quench our obsession with saving every single life.

#55 David Hawke on 11.19.20 at 6:26 pm

#22 dogwhistle Vamos/Go away there’s no censorship here, at least not yet, eh!

#56 Russ on 11.19.20 at 6:36 pm

Handy covid table in link:
https://www.indexmundi.com/coronavirus/

You can sort table by rank with the far right column toggles.
Interestingly, the USA doesn’t make the top ten (10) ‘death/1 million’ and our good friends in Sweden are doing much better than Italy & France.

Cheers, R

#57 jess on 11.19.20 at 6:44 pm

https://retractionwatch.com/
Researchers who lost a paper derided by critics as anti-vaccine have republished their article in a different journal … owned by the same publisher (hint: rhymes with “smells of beer”).

Our list of retracted or withdrawn COVID-19 papers is up to 38.

https://retractionwatch.com/retracted-coronavirus-covid-19-papers/

#58 Coho on 11.19.20 at 6:47 pm

TurnerNation, I am sure your effort is appreciated by many reading/posting in the comments section. It takes time and energy to provide the information you do. You are sincerely trying to raise awareness and as far as I can tell having read most of your posts, you have never been disrespectful to any other poster on this blog. I feel this is why Garth has not scolded you for posting “too much”. :)

It seems that pressure from those that have little to offer except for insults and disrespect (dogwhistle comes to mind), you have been regulated to 2 posts a day. Worse yet, trolls like dogwhistle are now emboldened to attack you and others on multiple occasions each day with the usual labels.

Gee, what a tradeoff, half closing the door to a person sincerely contributing to this blog to those taking it as a green light to attack.

TN, know that your effort is appreciated by myself and others.

#59 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 6:50 pm

In the States, a disaster. Next week there may be 200,000 new daily infections. Deaths are now 250,000. That’s four times all fatals in the Vietnam war. -Garth
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And 7,000x as many Covid deaths as Vietnam…

#60 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 6:52 pm

#13 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 4:56 pm
While deaths are a tragedy that happens on life, 250,000 in the US is well below the prediction of 2.2 million. I would say that that is good news, no?

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No, not really. I mean if someone says they’re going to punch you in the face 20x but they only hit you a few times is it really “good” news?

Wasn’t the 2.2m number based on a do-nothing approach? If so, at least some of the reduction is in spite of Trump yelling things like “Open the state up!”

#61 Yukon Elvis on 11.19.20 at 6:54 pm

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm

Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.
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Yup. He saw how the pantload in Ottawa got elected by giving voters drugs, money, and free stuff. So Horgan promised to give us between $500 and $1000 in Covid relief if elected. Did u get yours yet?

#62 Maskless on 11.19.20 at 6:56 pm

Most of the deaths in the US come from big metropolitan areas that fall under generations of Democratic jurisdiction, led by New York and the mask-frenzied Democrat partisans like governor Cuomo who wiped out tens of thousands of seniors.

I noticed that the blog repeats the same narrative presented by the mendacious media that we’re all supposed to accept the most irregular and anomalous elections in recent history without investigation, and accusing the federal government of mishandling what was long ago delegated to state governments….

#63 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 7:01 pm

#253 F-150 vs others on 11.19.20 at 2:57 pm
Considering buying a truck soon. Not for work, just play and pulling camper down the road when living in the city becomes…unbearable/dangerous even.

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Despite covid you might need to actually climb into them at dealerships. In 2011-2014 the F-150 interior was way bigger than the competition.
The front middle seat was basically full-sized so it folded down into a really nice big console, and the back bench folded up much smaller for more storage room.
I think the back doors even opened up much wider than the rest–one of the other 2 was really bad compared to the ford doors which opened 90 degrees.

I have no idea how much the Fords have changed nor if the Ram1500/silverado changed enough to catch up.

Also, I honestly didn’t pay that much attention to other specs since all 3 covered my needs, but iirc the Ram had higher towing capacity.

#64 Armpit on 11.19.20 at 7:05 pm

I feel sorry for the eateries. Personally I don’t have an opinion whether they are open or not.

I am an informed person and in charge of what/where/how I consume my food.

I also mask up for others and myself Sanitize and wash my hands regularly.

I social distance. Even with my adult kids and grandkids.

I am healthy – emotionally, physically and financially (thankyou Garth )

So why should government impose restaurant closures?? I don’t know … as I wouldn’t go anyways.

If most feel the same… the eateries would adjust or close anyways.

#65 sue on 11.19.20 at 7:06 pm

#4 The PCR test threshold was set waaaaay too high 45 cycles so the false positive rate is anywhere from 50 to 80 percent. Most positive tests are picking up dead nucleotides. https://www.anti-empire.com/fauci-himself-admits-covid-pcr-test-at-over-35-cycles-is-deceitful-worse-than-useless/

#66 cuke and tomato picker on 11.19.20 at 7:14 pm

About BC

#67 Jerry Smithfield on 11.19.20 at 7:15 pm

Garth, are you kidding me central banks will be the adults in the room. They have not been adults since they pumped for over 20 years a highly speculative bubbles, in real estate, stock, bond markets. They are creating debt junkies and a debt ridden society they knew would end up this way. It was a matter of when not if with their ultra low interest rates and inflation understating policies.

#68 Catalyst on 11.19.20 at 7:15 pm

I dont see how we dont end up with a debt crisis. We were on the verge of one before covid and now we have solved covid with massive debt.

#69 Maskless on 11.19.20 at 7:18 pm

@Garth

>Ah, there’s a pandemic.

Do you genuinely believe that?

This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth

#70 Sydneysider on 11.19.20 at 7:19 pm

The population of BC is about 1/60 that of the USA. Excess deaths March-August was about 1200. 1200*60 =72000.

I have not updated the numbers since August, but if you accept that estimate of excess deaths, the USA deaths are only going to be a factor of 2 or so worse than BC on a per capita basis. Maybe worse than that, since the caseload is only this month starting its exponential climb.

One must also note that all actions taken in BC to reduce the rate of spread of this virus have had the opposite effect. Is that Trump’s fault too?

#71 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 7:22 pm

#35 El Presidente no more on 11.19.20 at 5:24 pm
Hey Rudy… you need to ask the orange dude for some help!

When the lawyer is sweating bullets… the gig is up!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/19/rudy-giuliani-dye-my-cousin-vinny-press-conference
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Very sad, actually.
Giuliani, the 9/11 hero, is pissing his legacy away.

#72 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 7:29 pm

#48 Sydneysider on 11.19.20 at 7:19 pm

One must also note that all actions taken in BC to reduce the rate of spread of this virus have had the opposite effect. Is that Trump’s fault too?

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What? Can you elaborate on that?
How exactly does social distancing, mask usage, school & restaurant closures, etc increase the spread of a virus?

As for it being Trump’s fault… it’s at least a little bit Trump’s fault that people think the way that they do.

#73 Shirl Clarts on 11.19.20 at 7:33 pm

#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm
#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm
Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.
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Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.

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Well, most had no choice so it doesn’t mean they don’t share Cal’s view. Wasn’t much on the ballot. And it wasn’t that substantial…. LANDSLIDE! whatever, Ponzi Scheme.

Regardless, back to Cal’s argument, I agree. Why not just govern and do an election in a year when it’s safer to do so. But no, he’s a politician that knows how to extend his time in office. That’s all.

Oh and a big fat waste of time, voting on a beautiful, gorgeous, sunny, warm, fall day…. ON A SATURDAY!!!! Horgan are you taking the piss right now?!!

#74 Barb on 11.19.20 at 7:34 pm

The man in the photo evidences more grace and class than the big man down south.

#75 Looking up on 11.19.20 at 7:35 pm

#66 Maskless on 11.19.20 at 7:18 pm
@Garth

>Ah, there’s a pandemic.

Do you genuinely believe that?

This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth

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You should change your handle from maskless to brainless.

There should be a minimum IQ required to post on this
board.

#76 WTF on 11.19.20 at 7:36 pm

WTF – you missed the point.

Dr Zeke is on Biden’s Covid19Task Force team

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/biden-covid-19-surge-task-force-trump-ezekiel-emanuel-20201110.html

Dr Zeke said life is not worth living after 75!

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/08/21/238642/a-doctor-and-medical-ethicist-argues-life-after-75-is-not-worth-living/

Kapeesh?
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Ya, it was the “sorry boomer” snark, triggered me. Need a quiet room, stat. Don’t really care about random musing American Dr that has 0 impact on my existence.

BTW, Millennials are still a slo mo health horror story to be played out over the next decades. Reaching 75 Seems optimistic.

Just trying to educate…..

#77 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 7:38 pm

#55 Yukon Elvis on 11.19.20 at 6:54 pm
#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm

Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.
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Yup. He saw how the pantload in Ottawa got elected by giving voters drugs, money, and free stuff. So Horgan promised to give us between $500 and $1000 in Covid relief if elected. Did u get yours yet?
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Too bad Yukon is not part of BC.
You’d be rolling in drugs, money and free stuff.

#78 Cindy Tate on 11.19.20 at 7:41 pm

Ed, they will give you a chip in your mouth, enjoy.

#79 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 7:45 pm

I still don’t understand what exactly Trump is supposed to do to stop the virus that is within his power to do that he hasn’t done. He funded “warp speed” and has mobilized the military to distribute vaccines when available, so they are prepared to do so. He banned international travel. As Biden will find out, the president does not have the authority to issue nationwide lockdowns or mask mandates, the states do that themselves if they so choose. Some have, some haven’t. And even then the constitutionality of it is questionable. I think the federal government does have authority over interstate trade so Trump (or Biden) could probably impose travel restrictions but I don’t know if anyone besides Comrade Horgan wants to see that.

Trump hasn’t blown up the country in 4 years as so many expected. He probably won’t blow it up in the 61 days he has left. And once he rides back to Mar-a-Lago in his own private jet instead of Air Force 1, all the people who voted for him will remember him as a president that got a lot of good things done, despite being a bumbling bully. Some people only need 1 term.

And I also don’t understand all the fuss over Trump exercising his constitutional right to verify the vote. The presidential election is not called by the media and never has been. It is decided by the states through the electoral college which will happen on Dec. 14th. I think we know the results save some revelation of historic proportions, Biden will win, but Biden is not President Elect until Dec. 14th. At that point whether Trump concedes or not the election will be resolved.

And if Trump does manage to prove his case that there was massive voter fraud, he will go down in the record books as the defender of democracy, not the destroyer of it. But I think the odds of that are getting less and less with each passing day. A lot of evidence has come forward, but so far nothing that could move the needle. If there is something big forthcoming say like voter machine corruption, it should be revealed soon. Each passing day without the revelation makes it seem less likely there is something there.

But the world still faces a huge crises. With Trump gone, who will we blame for everything? We are going to need a new scapegoat, stat.

#80 baloney Sandwitch on 11.19.20 at 7:49 pm

I think we should be allowed to vote on the internet. I think virtually every adult has a bank card. A simple way would be that whoever wants to vote from home could log in via the bank, pay $10 and vote. Whoever does not want to pay can line up at the polling place.

#81 Garth's Son Drake on 11.19.20 at 7:53 pm

Maduro is in the bullseye now after being connected to Dominion.

Biden is being put in by the elites – pay to play.

Trump will definitely will be refusing to leave.

Trump won by a landslide. Gunlach was correct. My bet still has not settled on the books. This thing is far from over.

Regardless, the US is in big trouble. At this point anybody taking over as president would be better than this uncertainty which other countries are taking full advantage of.

I think US is getting primed and weakened for some sort of threat to hit from outside the country where they get decimated economically. Non Covid. Something unexpected. Who knows what that is but you can sense it happening in slow motion as vulnerabilities spike.

Bill Ackman will be proven right about another crash by year end. Double Dip. Before the real recovery starts mid 2021.

Backing up cash into the margin accounts. Locked and loaded for a 50% boxing day sale in the markets.

#82 Editrix on 11.19.20 at 7:56 pm

If the US death numbers are going to rocket higher, what ETF contains American funeral homes?

#83 PastThePeak on 11.19.20 at 7:56 pm

Funniest line Garth has ever written…Central Bankers as the “adults in the room”…

Unlimited QE and interest rates at 0 for most of the last decade is not a sign of courage or conviction…

#84 ogdoad on 11.19.20 at 7:56 pm

Great blog/stuff, this has Hollywood Blockbuster written all over it!

Thanks

#85 Habitt on 11.19.20 at 7:57 pm

Wow just wow. Promise?

#86 S.Bby on 11.19.20 at 8:00 pm

#67 Jerry Smithfield

What I was thinking, man, you said it.
The last responsible FED chairman was Paul Volcker in the 1980s.

#87 Who is on first on 11.19.20 at 8:03 pm

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#88 Canuck on 11.19.20 at 8:05 pm

Is there evidence of widespread, coordinated fraud? – Garth
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Of course not, Garth. Everyone is on their best behaviour during election time, right? Why is that no other major democracies use mail in ballots… or even Canada for that matter?
Have a good read below about how wonderful politically motivated people act towards others. It’s one of several instances of voter fraud that can happen because of mail in ballots.

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2020/11/want-to-find-vote-fraud-look-no-further-than-nursing-homes/

Right. A widespread and coordinated fraud among nursing home residents. You are a joke. – Garth

#89 PastThePeak on 11.19.20 at 8:08 pm

#13 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 4:56 pm
While deaths are a tragedy that happens on life, 250,000 in the US is well below the prediction of 2.2 million. I would say that that is good news, no?
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The simple answer is – absolutely.

A bit more to it though. The original *worst case* estimate – before much was really known of the virus – was a range from 1 to 2.2 million deaths.

At the rate things are going in the USA, it could easily be 400-500K total deaths by spring next year (up another 2K so far today). I would say that 4-500K instead of 1M is hardly a victory lap…

For comparison – total estimate of American deaths from the H1N1 flu in 2009/10 -> 12,469 over 12 months.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

#notjusttheflubro

#90 DON on 11.19.20 at 8:13 pm

800 000 people got CERB and didn’t qualify. 1.7B

CRA? or just forgiven?

#91 Canuck on 11.19.20 at 8:17 pm

“This week the iconic Dr. Fauci says, if all goes well, people may start discarding their masks about this time in 2021.”
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The iconic(LOL) Dr Fauci also stated in March that we didn’t need to wear masks and it was fine for people to go cruising.

Meanwhile the province of Alberta just announced that the number of reported cases of the flu this season is… 0. That’s right, ZERO

No flu because of extensive mask-wearing. Duh. – Garth

#92 Jake on 11.19.20 at 8:18 pm

Garth, while mainstream media focusses on despair and loss, your words read like Churchill’s speech to the nation on the brink of war, offering encouragement and hope, something greatly needed at this dark time of our lives.

Thank you.

#93 yvr_lurker on 11.19.20 at 8:20 pm

Comrade Horgan: Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course.

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Seems perfectly sensible to strongly request people not to travel from province to province, thereby potentially bringing the bug with them. Mr. Horgan can’t stigmatize those communities and ethnic groups in Surrey and the Fraser valley that represent the epicenter of this second wave. Anyone living in BC knows which communities are disproportionally affected and are having a hard time with following social distancing instructions owing to cultural practices and tightly-packed living arrangments.

Sorry but perhaps you missed the super-wide margin of victory and support that Horgan achieved at the October election. Thankfully, “wacky-times” Wilkinson did not seek donors to pay for endless lawsuits to contest the election.

#94 calgary rip off on 11.19.20 at 8:25 pm

Ponzius Pilatus:

You are correct about dosage not being clear about vits D3 and C. In an acute covid 19 infection, these vitamins are used differently. What you state about nutrition is likely inaccurate when battling covid 19. The amounts of these vitamins must be massive as this is a heavy strong virus. 60 grams or more daily of vitamin C. 100k units of D3 daily. Why? Covid is trying to take Ace2 receptors and takeover. Amounts to combat scurvy will be laughed at by covid. If you think im lying, Richard Z Cheng MD PhD is a reputable American physician who has saved lives with these vitamins.
Whats at issue is the lack of recommending modest D3 intake 2000-7000 daily and 1-2 grams C daily by Dr Tam. Like you said the individual can tailor dosage to how they feel. Too anxious? Lower the D3 intake slightly and increase magnesium rich foods. Upset bowels? Reduce vitamin c intake slightly. But in acute covid infection your body may be in a war and vitamins should be approached as potent drugs.

Its my belief that these additional measures could help reduce the need for lockdowns.

#95 NANCY LAZAR on 11.19.20 at 8:30 pm

“central bankers will be the adults in the room, public health officials will prevail”

Garth were you born yesterday bro?

#96 FriedEggs on 11.19.20 at 8:32 pm

WTF – A tad tasteless on my part; I of course dont want anyone dying or getting hurt for that matter. My parents are boomers. My mom is living off Ry.to dividends when they offered 1:1 as an employees

Re: Millennials , your 100% right. Self righteous, spoiled, weak, lazy, over indulgent, latest electronic gadget, lovers, etc.

I admit I am half the man my dad was – who left his family to escape by himself a communist country in the 60’s, no money, no English – sails the Atlantic to this great country and makes it.

That’s why critical thinking is important these days, too much to lose.

Imo, on a long enough timeline, if you are paying attention, we all turn into ‘conspiracy theorists’ – just some get here faster than others.

God Bless

#97 SomeDude on 11.19.20 at 8:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRPQqfwwuhU

It’s just a conspiracy theory guys.

#98 Coho on 11.19.20 at 8:35 pm

Nonplused, we can almost be certain that anything wrong that goes under B’s watch, should he get in, will be blamed on T. Politicians are masters of the blame game.

It’s amazing how political parties have become cult like figures. Well meaning people have been sucked into the Red/Blue vortices so deeply that their minds are being affected. All sense of fairness and right and wrong has been blurred.

#99 Faron on 11.19.20 at 8:37 pm

Garth, thanks for being a bastion of sanity in the line of fire of the crazies that come here. In droves lately — myself included from time to time. I usually tuck into the comments ready to counter, but the waves of numbskulls here now are too much to bother with. Between COVID ramping up, Trump doing nothing except considering bombing Iran (who is handling COVID better than the US now) the darkness of winter and Trump also stirring the pot of what can only be called a coup, it’s a total mind eff you cee kay. Don’t know how you deal with these goons. You are better than this. Your time is worth much much more than this, in my opinion. Actually, that applies to all of us, even the conspiratorial goons. Your lives are worth more. Spend that time with the knowledge that each minute is precious in our lives. Put those minutes to good use. The internet is very rarely one of those uses.

All the best,
Faron

#100 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:39 pm

“Ah, there’s a pandemic. Mail-in ballots are the safest way to vote. – Garth”

So the kids can go to school and I can go to Costco and the liquor store but voting is just too dangerous? I think if the local pub can figure out how to operate “safely” so can the voting stations. And I wonder how many of the people who voted by mail because of fear of the virus were in the pub having dinner that night.

When my washing broke and the part was backordered indefinitely due to covid supply chain problems (or so I assume, maybe they just don’t make them anymore) I went to my local appliance dealership (with a mask) and business was booming. Apparently people need their appliances when they need their appliances pandemic or no. So when you are running out of clean underwear you can go to the Maytag store and you can have the two guys who set the machines up for you in your house but you can’t vote?

We’ve got to stop with these logical disconnects. Voting is safe. You weren’t allowed to stand within 6 feet of someone who is voting before the pandemic for privacy reasons. Maybe the line needs to be longer to maintain 6 feet but there will be no more people in it. Masks and hand sanitizer and it will be as safe as a trip to Costco or the appliance store could be.

And aren’t you flying tomorrow? Voting shouldn’t put you out. There are some risks that either can’t be or aren’t worth avoiding.

All these mail in ballots are what caused this mess in the US. They should have been restricted to actual absentee voters and those who were at risk say +70 or with comorbid health conditions. They’ll sort it out I am sure but this wasn’t necessary.

#101 Cdn Mom on 11.19.20 at 8:40 pm

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#102 Abolitionist on 11.19.20 at 8:41 pm

Turner Nation, I salute you for consistently reporting the real news.

Much respect to Mr. Turner for his very fine work and years of dedication, but it does appear that President Trump won in a landslide.

If the predictions are true that after neutering big pharma and the military industrial complex, he is aiming for the central bankers, Godspeed on picking up the mission that Andrew Jackson and JFK fought.

#103 Peppy Sue on 11.19.20 at 8:41 pm

Thank you Garth for swiftly deleting and banning comments that violate blog rules (and I imagine common decency and logic as well).

#104 binky barnes on 11.19.20 at 8:44 pm

There certainly seems to be quite a bit of angst in today’s ‘comments’ section. I know how to soothe everybody: just remember that we have a person of extreme talent running our country. He has the spirit of Churchill, the steadiness of Ike, the oratory talent of Clinton, and the sparkle of FDR.

Leaders like Mr. Justin Trudeau don’t just stumble down the road everyday–they are once-in-a-lifetime types, and Canadians are blessed to have his two able hands on the wheel, expertly guiding us through these troubled times.

Now everybody have pleasant dreams.

BB

#105 Pete from St. Cesaire on 11.19.20 at 8:50 pm

#80 baloney Sandwitch on 11.19.20 at 7:49 pm
I think we should be allowed to vote on the internet. I think virtually every adult has a bank card. A simple way would be that whoever wants to vote from home could log in via the bank, pay $10 and vote. Whoever does not want to pay can line up at the polling place.
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That would work well for a direct-democracy system like in Switzerland especially for votes on rather minor issues but for major issues and elections, confidential, in-person voting (on paper ballots) is the only way to ensure that no one is coerced into voting along someone else’s wishes. It is all to easy for a spouse (no nookie if you vote the wrong way), or parents (you’ll vote the way I tell you as long as you live under this roof), to strip voters of their legitimate right to vote their conscience.

#106 Steven Nicolle on 11.19.20 at 8:50 pm

Buy low sell high. That is all I know about buying and selling anything. Raymond Aaron seminars I went to a couple of decades ago were really informative.

#107 Joe Schmoe on 11.19.20 at 8:51 pm

As an O&G guy, I am chortling at the concern people have for businesses potentially failing due to knee-jerk government policies with no forward plan.

Welcome to the Canadian dream. Feel before you think.

#108 sue on 11.19.20 at 8:51 pm

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#109 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:53 pm

#21 conan on 11.19.20 at 5:11 pm
Too bad they can not fine Trump personally for delaying the transition of government. There is a serious cost to what Trump is doing.

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Trump is not delaying the transition of government. That starts on Dec. 14th, not before. He actually has no role in the process.

Trump’s No.1 fan rides to his defence again. Maybe you should review how Obama welcomed his successor. – Garth

#110 45north on 11.19.20 at 8:56 pm

Pivotal to this is a president in the White House more obsessed with clinging to power and undermining the electoral process than he is with public health.

well since we’re talking about Donald Trump. In Canada, you understand that it’s not Justin Trudeau that’s making decisions but in the US there’s only one person to blame – Donald Trump. In the US, state governments make the decisions about closing down businesses like hair salons and restaurants. In this regard state governments are like provincial governments. Health care professionals in New York State made mistakes in terms of long-term-care facilities. The same sort of mistakes they made in Ontario. Quebec had a higher case rate than the rest of the country because its spring break was two weeks earlier. Kids went off on holidays, before we got the memo. Nobody is blaming François Legault.

#111 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 8:56 pm

The Danish randomized control study on masks which was originally suppressed because it didn’t tow the line was finally published yesterday in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Read it and draw your own conclusions.

#112 twofatcats on 11.19.20 at 9:01 pm

We have not gone through the lockdowns during really cold weather yet. People are not going to line up outside in -15C weather at a small butcher or pet shop because only 4 are allowed in the store at one time. They will head to a big retailer where 400 are allowed in the store at one time.

So far the mild weather has sheltered the mom and pop shops and independent retailers. Once the really cold weather arrives, so will the bankruptcies.

Pet Valu in the US is closing:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/pet-valu-pet-supply-retailer-to-shut-down-us-operations.html

#113 zoey on 11.19.20 at 9:07 pm

All good except for this statement …

“central bankers will be the adults in the room”

huh ?

#114 Lorne on 11.19.20 at 9:07 pm

#73 Shirl Clarts on 11.19.20 at 7:33 pm
#12 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 4:53 pm
#2 Cal on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm
Good comments about BC “ Nothing bad in that province is ever the fault of the people living there, of course”

I live here, and that sums it up.

When you have a leader who made the choice to run an unnecessary election during a pandemic, will that is the character of that man.
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Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years.

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Well, most had no choice so it doesn’t mean they don’t share Cal’s view. Wasn’t much on the ballot. And it wasn’t that substantial…. LANDSLIDE! whatever, Ponzi Scheme.

Regardless, back to Cal’s argument, I agree. Why not just govern and do an election in a year when it’s safer to do so. But no, he’s a politician that knows how to extend his time in office. That’s all.

Oh and a big fat waste of time, voting on a beautiful, gorgeous, sunny, warm, fall day…. ON A SATURDAY!!!! Horgan are you taking the piss right now?!!
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If your wanted a different outcome in the BC election then your party of choice should have come up with a platform that would excite the electorate. Whining about why the election was called, as opposed to actual concerns about policy, is fruitless.
Oh, and the election was held on a Saturday as many polling stations are in schools and it would have been foolish to invite the general public into a school at this time. AND, believe it or not, the NDP does not control the weather!

#115 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 9:14 pm

#89 PastThePeak on 11.19.20 at 8:08 pm

According to the link, it is estimated that up to 575,000 people died worldwide from H1N1. And, not to downplay any deaths, but it also says that 80% of those deaths were under the age of 65, while the opposite is true with Covid.

#116 Faron on 11.19.20 at 9:15 pm

#90 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:53 pm

#21 conan on 11.19.20 at 5:11 pm

Trump is not delaying the transition of government. That starts on Dec. 14th, not before. He actually has no role in the process.

Trump’s No.1 fan rides to his defence again. Maybe you should review how Obama welcomed his successor. – Garth

Or Bush before him. In all recent hand-offs, the transition has been professional and smooth. BECAUSE IT’S GODDAMNED IMPORTANT. A president who cares about the country will go out of his or her way to make the handover seamless. Trump is AWOL. My guess is he is afraid of Biden and the true professionals discovering all of the embarrassing messes he has made and painted over. The US Gov’t is a shambles right now and that endangers everyone in the world.

#117 Mike Simic on 11.19.20 at 9:15 pm

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#118 NoOneOfConsequence on 11.19.20 at 9:31 pm

I am sooo tired of the ‘clever political commentary’ by some of the blog dogs.

It’s so easy to throw rocks at people in government while hiding in the bushes on the side lines.

If you don’t like where the government leads, get involved and engaged and make change happen. We govern ourselves for dog’s sake.

If you don’t want to get involved in making things better, shut your cake-hole.

Your clever comments, aren’t.

#119 dogwhistle on 11.19.20 at 9:31 pm

#55 David Hawke on 11.19.20 at 6:26 pm
#22 dogwhistle Vamos/Go away there’s no censorship here, at least not yet, eh!

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Turner Nation writes under his real name now? lol

#120 dogwhistle on 11.19.20 at 9:36 pm

#58 Coho on 11.19.20 at 6:47 pm

TN, know that your effort is appreciated by myself and others.

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And the above demonstrates how bad Canadian schools have become. lol

PS: ‘TN’ no need to create a new nick like ‘coho’ or ‘David Hawke’ Just download the parler app and buy a few rolls of foil from dollarama. lol

Once again, please make yourself scarce. lol

#121 SomeDude on 11.19.20 at 9:43 pm

Event 201 is a pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRmlumcN_s

#122 fishman on 11.19.20 at 9:46 pm

When you go to kill the King you have to kill the King. Trump isn’t king anymore. He’s transmuted into Kingmaker. Rinos & Never Trumpers are now irrelevant. If your wanting a future in the Republican Party there isn’t one without Kingmaker’s base.
Kingmaker will conduct low grade internecine warfare. His tactics are 1/feed the base red meat 2/keep the Prog & Mod factions of the Dems at each others throats 3/ pour salt on any wounds from the Eastern Front 4/on & on on China.
Kingmaker will drop Twitter & go to Parler. Parler is backed by the Mercer family. The Mercers put 15 million into Ted Cruz’s run for President. Kingmaker will keep up internecine war 3 more years. Kingmaker will anoint Ted Cruz as Republican Presidential candidate. It’ll be Ted & Kamala, two “coulda been” Canuckleheads running for the Big Job. Ted’s V.P. pick for all you suffering souls thinking this Trumster nightmare is soon to be over? Thats right, Ivanka!! The Horror!!

#123 tccontrarian on 11.19.20 at 9:50 pm

#45 dogwhistle on 11.19.20 at 6:01 pm

#24 Doug t on 11.19.20 at 5:12 pm
#11 Tnation

PREACH IT BROTHER

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We’ve got another escapee from the asylum.
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And an escaped dog from the pound! I hear a whistle doggie! It’s Trudy..

#124 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 10:05 pm

#79 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 7:45 pm
I still don’t understand what exactly Trump is supposed to do to stop the virus that is within his power to do that he hasn’t done.

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Are you kidding?
The first, most obvious step would be to simply get in front of a camera and say

“Listen up everyone: Covid is very serious, and it is important to social distance as well as wear a mask. The sooner we all start doing that, the sooner we can re-open what’s closed and prevent further lockdowns.”

It is absolutely 100% within his power to influence at least 73,000,000 Americans and how they act.
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#99 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:39 pm
“Ah, there’s a pandemic. Mail-in ballots are the safest way to vote. – Garth”

So the kids can go to school and I can go to Costco and the liquor store but voting is just too dangerous? I think if the local pub can figure out how to operate “safely” so can the voting stations. And I wonder how many of the people who voted by mail because of fear of the virus were in the pub having dinner that night.

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Just like masks, it’s about reducing risk.
Also, it’s not like voting up here; in some states, it’s a 10-hour line-up to vote. I can only assume that involves public restrooms and food vendors or something.
All around, why add that to the list of possible exposures?
The reasoning of “I can go to Costco, so everything else must be safe” is silly and you know it.
“I needto go to Costco, but voting by mail is available so I’ll just do that instead of going in-person”
just makes sense if your MAGA hat isn’t cutting off the blood flow ;-)

#108 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:53 pm
#21 conan on 11.19.20 at 5:11 pm

Trump is not delaying the transition of government. That starts on Dec. 14th, not before. He actually has no role in the process.

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This time of year in other elections the President-Elect is sitting in on briefings etc. and Trump is absolutely the reason that’s not happening. Of course, the sooner it starts the smoother things go.

#125 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 10:05 pm

#102 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 8:53 pm
#21 conan on 11.19.20 at 5:11 pm
Too bad they can not fine Trump personally for delaying the transition of government. There is a serious cost to what Trump is doing.

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Trump is not delaying the transition of government. That starts on Dec. 14th, not before. He actually has no role in the process.

Trump’s No.1 fan rides to his defence again. Maybe you should review how Obama welcomed his successor. – Garth
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Trump knows that there is no law of transition.
It’s just a convention.
So he’s just gonna drag it out until they finally drag him out of the WhiteHouse bunker.

#126 KG on 11.19.20 at 10:06 pm

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#127 Tyberius on 11.19.20 at 10:13 pm

News around the world:

DENMARK VICTORIOUS AGAINST AUTHORITARIAN COVID-19 LAWS
After 9 days of banging pots and pans in front of their parliament, the Danish people were victorious in forcing their government to abandon dangerous authoritarian Covid-19 laws that were heavily criticized by even the Danish Medical Association.
The epidemic laws, described as forcing Denmark into a “dictatorship”, included:
– People infected with dangerous diseases forcibly given medical examination, hospitalised, treated and placed in isolation.
– The Danish Health Authority defining groups of people who must be vaccinated in order to contain and eliminate a dangerous disease.
– People who refuse the above can – in some situations – be coerced through physical detainment, with police allowed to assist. (1)
The triumphant Twitter video shows a twitter live feed in which the jubilant poster says that though the epidemic laws have be overturned, the fight is not yet over to restore freedoms and rights again in Denmark. (2)

https://www.thelocal.dk/20201113/explai … criticised

#128 KG on 11.19.20 at 10:15 pm

Wow.

Anyways I come here for the comment section.

#129 BCWally on 11.19.20 at 10:17 pm

Just got the stay at home order sigh….anybody want to talk about something different?
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/household-debt-canada-poll_ca_5fb6b0ecc5b695be8300e856
Just read this article about how 1 in 5 Canadians think their personal debt will be forgiven, somehow. It’s an Angus Reid study apparently so it might have some legs. I really have to wonder what the demographics were in the study. Now that is equally dangerous.

#130 KNOW IT ALL on 11.19.20 at 10:21 pm

That photo speaks volumes.

#131 SHANE GALLANT on 11.19.20 at 10:21 pm

so this means by the spring 2021 it will part 2 of the covid housing boom!

#132 TRON on 11.19.20 at 10:24 pm

Most of my sources for political, financial and legal news comes from a mix of blogs, vlogs, podcasts. My interests are to learn and get facts. Like most things you have extremes but if you spend enough time looking there are a number of balanced, well informed people who simply want the truth. They disagree but can discuss their disagreements. They are not mean spirited and have good characters because they are self aware and mature.

I check the main stream networks (NBC, CBC, GLOBAL, CNN…) to understand what the public is being fed by these for profit corporations. What is obvious is how they walk in goose step with the same opinionated reporting on every story about Donald Trump. To be clear, I’m not a Trump everything person but I’m also not trying to find fault in everything he does.

Today I watched Sidney Powell make some very serious accusations about voter fraud. My research on her shows she is a highly respected attorney with credentials that puts her in the Micheal Jordan class of lawyers. She would be tarnishing a stellar career if she was making things up just so Trump can ‘disrupt’ the election. Fraud is always first denied and instead of letting the legal process determine the outcome people are willing to say ‘move on, nothing to see here’

If everytime you watch the media and the message about Trump is always the same with each network reporting the same thing you must ask yourself why. Why is there no conflicting opinions if over 70 million people voted for this man and you can’t get any reporting on why they did other than the must be inbred hillbillies.

Putin won the last election with 77% of the vote. Funny what people believe. – Garth

#133 SOMETHINGS UP! on 11.19.20 at 10:27 pm

Imagine a life with no STUFF.

Just an unmaterialistic existence with just the basic needs, a small bungalow on an acre of property with your favourite 4-legged friends.

Talk about Eutopia.

This greed driven selfish world we live in just sucks.

#134 KAC on 11.19.20 at 10:28 pm

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#135 belly rubs on 11.19.20 at 10:32 pm

Just an opinion, and perhaps my last public thought on Coronavirus…ever. I talked to my kid during Thanksgiving, who is a bright individual, and who has a degree in a science where they examine the guts of formerly living things. He said “if the regional hospitals are complaining about the burden, then it’s probably not a good time to mix and mingle.” We agreed this strategy could apply to any highly contagious disease circulating locally. So I sent him to eat at the little table with his cousins.

Diversify, yes, I have my fingers in twelve pies. I lent so much money I could couch surf into retirement. My holds have been utilities, banking etfs (in a tfsa) for umpteen years. If I am a regular customer, I generally buy in.

#136 Doug t on 11.19.20 at 10:39 pm

#135 sumptinup

John Lennon

#137 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.19.20 at 10:40 pm

#113 twofatcats on 11.19.20 at 9:01 pm
We have not gone through the lockdowns during really cold weather yet. People are not going to line up outside in -15C weather at a small butcher or pet shop because only 4 are allowed in the store at one time. They will head to a big retailer where 400 are allowed in the store at one time.

So far the mild weather has sheltered the mom and pop shops and independent retailers. Once the really cold weather arrives, so will the bankruptcies.

Pet Valu in the US is closing:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/pet-valu-pet-supply-retailer-to-shut-down-us-operations.html
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Far too many pet stores anyway.
Mr. Market culling the weak ones.

#138 SWL on 11.19.20 at 10:41 pm

I sure do miss logic in this world

Useful idiots abound. I feel for all the businesses in Manitoba having rented mall cops handing out fines

Socializm, you can vote your way in, but you’ll have to shoot your way out

#139 Sydneysider on 11.19.20 at 10:42 pm

#48 Sydneysider on 11.19.20 at 7:19 pm

> How exactly does social distancing, mask usage, school & restaurant closures, etc increase the spread of a virus?

https://www.castanet.net/content/2020/11/covid19chart_p3493983.jpg

BC hasn’t stopped the spread of the virus has it? In fact the numbers continue to not just increase but accelerate.

The conclusion is absurd, I know. I see the BC Health policy as an experiment that is underdetermined or lacks suitable controls, which is why we can’t allocate responsibility to one factor (such as Trump) or another.

The *assumption* that certain measures help can be damaging if it is wrong or breeds complacency. There are 45 BC care homes and hospitals currently that have ongoing outbreaks (multiple cases). Masks have been mandatory in these places since March, yet the concentration of outbreaks is much higher than in other institutions such as schools where they are not mandatory.

#140 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 10:52 pm

“Trump’s No.1 fan rides to his defence again. Maybe you should review how Obama welcomed his successor. – Garth”

I am probably Trump’s 75,000,001 fan, not number 1. I can’t even vote for the guy.

Obama was on the way out regardless who won having served 2 terms. And he is implicated in helping along “Russia Gate”. Not exactly clean.

All I am saying is that people need to calm down. If the electoral college confirms Biden (which it looks like they will) the mechanisms in place will take their course. Don’t panic.

If Trump does prove voter fraud (of a significant amount), prepare to have your world view altered. It turns out there are plenty of people who would do that if given the opportunity, especially if they were getting paid or “stopping Hitler”.

So let’s just let things run their course. On Dec. 14th the odds are Trump will be leaving the White House peacefully come Jan. 20th.

#141 Blof Witzer The Stitatation Closet on 11.19.20 at 11:01 pm

Wow. I haven’t had any interaction with humans that wasn’t absolutely required for many years. I used to believe that people who thought there was something wrong with me for it were right but geez. I watch almost nothing but news, I read things that interest me, read some things on twitter, more rarely I read through comment sections of anything. It all disillusions me, re-enforces that I don’t want anything more than the minimal contact with my fellow human beings. Sure wish I was rich enough to buy one of those private islands. Most of you people are nuts.
I like the name turnip nation though, because I see what you did there.

#142 Nonplused on 11.19.20 at 11:02 pm

#126 SoggyShorts on 11.19.20 at 10:05 pm

I’ve never waited 10 hours to vote nor even been in a voting station as crowded as a Costco, except may just after work. Perhaps that is an issue the US could use to fix as well. Granted Canada is not nearly as big as the US, but we would be a relatively big state if we were part of the union, so if we can do it the states (who run the election not the Fed) should be able to do it too.

Turns out health care isn’t the only thing we do better.

#143 Sunnyways on 11.19.20 at 11:09 pm

“central bankers will be the adults in the room“

I get it now.

This blog is satire.

Compared to current political leaders, they are rocks. – Garth

#144 dosouth on 11.19.20 at 11:16 pm

#12 Ponzius Pilatus,,,,,

Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years
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Great observation, a politician focused on keeping in power using a pandemic and forcing people out of their homes to voting stations to vote. You know like running a province with less than 50% of the popular vote (47.6 to be exact) Coming with historically low voter turnout I might add….and we wonder why?? So your substantial majority is only in seat numbers not rep by population.

Yes, this is leadership…..really?? And is why we are where we are now. Numbers are just numbers, until they say otherwise.

#145 Harold Homer on 11.19.20 at 11:45 pm

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#146 NSNG on 11.20.20 at 12:05 am

#105 binky barnes on 11.19.20 at 8:44 pm

There certainly seems to be quite a bit of angst in today’s ‘comments’ section. I know how to soothe everybody: just remember that we have a person of extreme talent running our country. He has the spirit of Churchill, the steadiness of Ike, the oratory talent of Clinton, and the sparkle of FDR.

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He’s even created a mania.

….not quite like his dad.

#147 Terry on 11.20.20 at 12:19 am

Trump will stay in power for 4 more years. This is a certainty! The election was a fraud with huge cheating going on that will be proven in court. Biden and his crew of bandits, morally corrupt followers and his stolen false win are an anomaly. The truth will come out and justice will prevail for President Trump in the end. There will be no transition of power to faithless corrupt cheating regimes. January will come and go and Trump will still be President.

#148 ed turon on 11.20.20 at 12:36 am

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#149 Faron on 11.20.20 at 12:46 am

#112 Tron Light on 11.19.20 at 8:56 pm

From your article:

The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

You should know by now that masks aren’t for you, they are to keep you from infecting others. So sick of you idiots. Every time I read your ilk’s gotcha articles it’s made clearer that you either don’t know how to read, or read selectively. Or you just pass these articles around on Parler/4chan/twitter/FB/wherever without the slightest clue what they mean.

You are not scientists. Stay in your effing lane.

#150 Morrey on 11.20.20 at 1:00 am

“The owner moved a few blocks north and spent a million making the dining room Covid-compliant.”

Bad choice. 1mill$ invested with a Investment Professional would have been more prudent. Not to mention more profitable.

ps John Horgan is doing just fine. The people are not rebelling. BC residents support keeping those from heavy infected provinces from crossing the mountains. They agree in keeping the infected hordes out. As has the Atlantic Provinces: Residents of Prince Edward Island, and fellow Atlantic Canadians, are permitted to travel within the region without the need to self-isolate for 14 days.

Not sure why he is being vilified?

Stay save everyone. Take the situation serious and do your part in protecting each other. it is going to be a wild 6 months.

#151 Zed Perkins on 11.20.20 at 3:47 am

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#152 KAC on 11.20.20 at 4:23 am

“Deleted”? Wow!

I was careful not to use any links to non liberal sites, used no cuss words or derogatory comments, just commented on the claimed “bombshell revelations” at the Trump legal teams press conference.

Are opposing views no longer tolerated?

This site will not help disseminate false information. Trump lost. – Garth

#153 BillyBob on 11.20.20 at 4:40 am

I may not read every word of every post, but I appreciate TurnerNation’s earnest attempts to get people to at least consider that maybe everything isn’t quite as it’s sold. He only appears more prescient, not less, as time goes on.

That he unintentionally irritates posters who don’t add any value to the comments, like dogwhistle, is just a nice added bonus.

Time to go for a bike ride on a beautiful cold sunny day. I’m in no hurry to lower the unemployment rate even further here.

#154 Wrk.dover on 11.20.20 at 6:16 am

That photo is how I envision Stephen Rowlandson

#155 Trying to distract on 11.20.20 at 6:40 am

This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth
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Garth, if you get another dog, consider naming him/her “Page”. Get it? Page Turner!! It will help with the blog promo.

Keep up the good work Garth.

#156 Steve French on 11.20.20 at 6:50 am

Hey Canada:

Down here in Australia we have the virus pretty much licked. I.e. Eradicated. things are getting back to normal. tens of thousands of people enjoyed a big rugby game at the Suncorp Stadium in Brizzy last weekend.

WHy not take off your ideological blinders and take a close look at what Australia has done right, and apply those policies?

turns out that strict lockdowns work pretty well.

#157 Glengarry Girl on 11.20.20 at 7:28 am

This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth

The comments are just a mirror of our Society and it’s ugly side. With the ability to anonymously have weird on-line conversations with strangers, some can post their fears and conspiracies here rather than deal with their real life. It is getting more out of touch with reality and anger and hate filled as fear grows and the economy is more uncertain. I read a bunch of economic news and sometimes the comments because I am interested in the effects of Economy on Society, it is my research. When things got a bit too negative for me, it seems to always be right before a big economic correction. Each of these times, I follow my instincts, get things in order, and retreat, turn it all off and live my life. I am at that point once again, time to turn it off. One of these times, hubby quit his soul sucking job and we took off and camped BLM land for a year. It was wonderful, got ourselves on track and evaluated our personal goals decided how we want to live the next phase of our lives. Garth, I sincerely wish you much happiness and peace. You and Dorothy should get yourself another Dog to love and retreat. Just live simply and hike for miles and get into yourselves for a long while, I highly recommend it, shut it down.

#158 TRUMP IS OUR JESUS! on 11.20.20 at 8:06 am

Please don’t shut down this comments section!

We need it, a place to express our love and worship for the Lord Trump!

We are not insane, just devoted. And rational.

Or maybe 1 outta 2.

#159 David Hawke on 11.20.20 at 8:10 am

#58 Coho on 11.19.20 at 6:47 pm

Spot-on!

It seems strange that TurnrNation’s daily post count is being restricted while trolls are NOT? :(

#160 Dharma Bum on 11.20.20 at 8:41 am

Lockdowns are bogus.

Politicians are too lazy to figure out a selective way to address the effects of the pandemic where they have significant impact, i.e., old age homes and sectors where people chose to have large gatherings (weddings, parties, religious meetings, etc.).

The politicians are also too afraid to address the main issue of ill health and pre-existing conditions that exacerbate the effects of the virus, and make those that are susceptible to getting it more likely to suffer from the harmful symptoms – including death.

Instead of imploring the population to stop smoking, cut back drinking, stop abusing drugs, lose a ton of weight, take supplements like vitamin D3, learn about strengthening the immune system, start exercising, get fresh air regularly, quit drinking soda pop, eliminate processed foods and junk foods, eat healthy foods, and generally use common sense in their daily lives by wearing masks indoors where there are other people, and keep a reasonable distance apart, they just shut the whole thing down.

It’s like when you have a leaky faucet, or toilet, or broken pipe, you don’t need to shut down the water main at the city, or even in your house. You selectively shut off the valves at the area where the problems are.\

You cannot shut down an entire Country, province, or city because of problems that are occurring in specific areas.

It’s the laziest and most irresponsible action to take.

Doug Ford needs to set an example for public health and lose at least 100 lbs. Then he can rightfully boast about accomplishing something useful.

Lockdowns. Do. Not. Solve. The. Problem.

They only make things worse. They hurt people.

#161 CalgaryCarGuy on 11.20.20 at 8:57 am

Whether election fraud is real or perceived to be real matters not. The end result will be the same. Perception rules the world.p

#162 CalgaryCarGuy on 11.20.20 at 9:01 am

Re my previous comment. That p at the end was not meant to be there. It is not meant as a symbol for anything.

#163 Brett in Calgary on 11.20.20 at 9:03 am

Possibly through ‘source control’, but a newly published randomized control trial out of Denmark suggests masks do not help the wearer. This is the first randomized control trial on the issue.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

I am not trying to help the right-wing nuts here by providing this, but good evidence should be acknowledged. Perhaps hand washing is more important (although invisible to the public) than visibly wearing a mask. Just a thought. Canadians love to virtue signal.

More than likely the flu results are combination of good things (hand washing + social distancing when sick) and bad things (overwhelmed lab system + one-dimensional doctor orders). We have not eradicated the flu – that is for sure.

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Meanwhile the province of Alberta just announced that the number of reported cases of the flu this season is… 0. That’s right, ZERO

No flu because of extensive mask-wearing. Duh. – Garth

#164 Nixter on 11.20.20 at 9:08 am

I feel like we are living in a life of constant penance. Just feels so catholic.
Mea culpa, mea culpa.
People, it is a mortal sin to be alive and breathing.
We are looked upon as nothing more than walking pus bags of pathogens and bacteria to be squished like little bugs.
Live like you mean it and stop being so damn afraid.

#165 P. Jackson on 11.20.20 at 9:20 am

So a pizza place in Australia caused a bunch of people get infected.

The contact tracers determined the source of the infection was this one guy who told them he had been there only once.

What does the local government do? Declare a new super-duper ultra infectious strain of coronavirus is among us. They decree a new super-duper ultra lock down. No going outside allowed, no walking the dog allowed.

Turns out; the guy was full of it and actually worked at the pizza place. Routine infections caused by prolonged exposure to some infected guy.

It didn’t stop a bunch of non scientist but elected government people from hysterically making shit up about the virus and decreeing authoritarian measures.

#166 D Apostrophe on 11.20.20 at 9:22 am

We are most likely in the most dangerous time in US history. There is no ceiling to this; Nor of a floor. They don’t understand that idea anyway. Parts of the GOP look like a transient drug party while behind the scenes.. they’re getting ready to overwhelm. Normal? That’s normal now. Markets? I’m guessing you’ve never experienced true chaos. I have. You won’t care about markets. You’ll be happy to be in NS and still producing manure at a steady rate watching it. Expect chaos. Expect cruelty. I seriously hope I’m wrong but I don’t expect this to end well.

#167 Ace Goodheart on 11.20.20 at 9:34 am

Re: This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth

It’s gotten really wacky.

I remember back when smoking man was the most controversial character on here.

The recent attendees make him look like an Anglican Priest giving a Sunday sermon.

#168 NSNG on 11.20.20 at 9:37 am

LOL!

The internet is trying to sell me dog things. The closest I come to owning a dog is posting on this site.

I think they need to tweak their intrusive algos a bit.

#169 Ace Goodheart on 11.20.20 at 9:45 am

RE: #155 Steve French on 11.20.20 at 6:50 am

Hey Canada:

Down here in Australia we have the virus pretty much licked. I.e. Eradicated. things are getting back to normal. tens of thousands of people enjoyed a big rugby game at the Suncorp Stadium in Brizzy last weekend.

WHy not take off your ideological blinders and take a close look at what Australia has done right, and apply those policies?

turns out that strict lockdowns work pretty well.

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Australia is a continent. Ontario is a Province. We have very porous borders. Most of the non residents who enter here do so under exemptions, which means no quarantine. We also have an airport which plays host to many positive COVID cases every week, most of whom end up in Toronto.

Australia can shut down entry just by not letting anyone get off of a boat or an airplane.

Ontario, we border two Provinces, both of which have high case loads, and also the USA, which is an ongoing disaster, with an administration that at some point might be charged with the equivalent of mass murder for allowing this disease to spread in such an unrestricted way.

There is a reason why Toronto is full of COVID cases. They come in by air.

It is also winter here. No sun. The severe forms of COVID are just a vitamin D deficiency (read up on the cytokine storm and its connection to vitamin D deficiency)

Over the summer, Ontario was singing its own praises as being a COVID success story, while anti maskers held raves down on Cherry Beach, people had house parties, social distancing was all but abandoned and everyone thought it was over.

Then winter hit, and all of a sudden cases are spiking, infections are off the charts and we have more than double the people in hospital that we did in the summer.

What changed? No sunshine. We won’t see the sun again until mid February. November, December and January are mostly sun-less months.

Australia is currently in summer.

On the bright side of things……..back when I was younger, I used to have problems with allergies. The only thing that would knock them out was a particular steroid injection called “Kenalog” which is basically a targeted immune system suppressor. The allergies are just an over reaction by an immune system to a pathogen that poses no risk to you.

Turns out the most severe forms of COVID are similar. An immune system gone off balance. By the time you are on a ventilator, the virus has already been beat by your body’s immune system, and you are essentially dying because of an unbalanced, overactive ongoing immune response.

The solution seems to be a particular steroid that can suppress the over reaction.

With that said, it appears that there is now a fairly successful cure to severe COVID.

Now we just need a vaccine that is actually approved…..

#170 Ready Now on 11.20.20 at 9:55 am

I had my Lower Mainland house listed for most of 2018 and part of 2019. Not one offer, so I yanked the listing. I resisted at a higher price in the late summer of 2020 and it sold in less than 2 weeks.

Deal just closed and now I’m sitting on a pile of cash and looking to invest.

It sure would be nice to hear some discussion about how the markets, now sitting at record high multiples, have set themselves up for minimal returns for years to come. What’s a person supposed to do right now? Not what they were supposed to do in March or September, but right now?

#171 Sky on 11.20.20 at 10:05 am

@ Steve French #155

“Hey Canada:

“WHy not take off your ideological blinders and take a close look at what Australia has done right, and apply those policies?

turns out that strict lockdowns work pretty well.”

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Yeah. You can’t have a truly good lockdown without throwing animal cruelty into the mix :

“South Australia has banned outdoor exercise and dog-walking for six days starting Thursday…”

“One woman in Australia triggered an international backlash to the new measures when she tweeted a question asking if she could take her dog for a walk to use the bathroom.

South Australia police replied that she “cannot” leave the house to walk the dog, or for any other ‘non-essential’ purpose: “Hi Andrea, You cannot leave the house to walk the dog or to exercise,” the Twitter account for the South Australia Police told a woman who asked whether or not she could leave her home to walk her dog,”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-australia-bans-exercise-dog-walking-during-6-day-circuit-breaker-lockdown

The lockdown has now been revoked. Govt and health officials are now officially insane. And absolutely sadistic. No question about it.

#172 DON on 11.20.20 at 10:07 am

I like TurnerNations comment’s as well. He is merely outlining the potential slippery slopes. We don’t have to agree with the likehood of anything actually happening, but all things should be at least a consideration in analyzing our current state.

Why is it ok for Atlantic Canada to limit travel but no one else? Fair is fair. Walked past a climbing gym in Victoria and the place was packed…packed. And we are wondering how the spread is occuring???

Back in April this pendemic was to be over in 3 months no second wave, even in light of the facts from 1918. The second wave was inevitable even though we have had medical advancements over the last 100 years.

Entitled thinking???

I watched one individual complain about not being able to

#173 Penny Henny on 11.20.20 at 10:17 am

#58 Coho on 11.19.20 at 6:47 pm

TN, know that your effort is appreciated by myself and others.
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+1

Although not all that you post will come true, enough of it will and for that we should be prepared.
Thanks

#174 Penny Henny on 11.20.20 at 10:43 am

#95 Smart Alec on 11.19.20 at 8:27 pm
#1 Flop… on 11.19.20 at 4:28 pm

Doug Ford looks really awkward at those press briefings with his arm positions.

Two choices, as far as I can tell.

Lose weight.

Or get an arm extension operation done…

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I vote on the arm extension.
He and his brother failed miserably at losing weight.

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Hey don’t be knocking Doug Ford, that man has a lot of guts and a big heart.

#175 Victor V on 11.20.20 at 10:43 am

https://twitter.com/mortimer_1/status/1329306913822052353

Looks like some assignors are getting more motivated at Joyce by Westbank…

2909 5058 JOYCE ST, Vancouver

Assigning for a $149,100 loss (+ any expenses)

Original contract price: $889,000

Asking $739,900

#176 Sara on 11.20.20 at 11:05 am

Terry #149

I feel sorry for you. And for those of us who can think straight that have to put up with people like you.

#177 MOUSE on 11.20.20 at 11:09 am

I apologize if I come across too direct. Just wanted to point out that this blog kind of shifted focus from financial advice to virus advice. Since when you have credentials that gives you the knowledge to say that masks work, funny how every citizen became a health expert (ha, ha, ha). I thought you are good to do your own research. Read the research don’t just follow the narrative. I am just curious if your blog is sponsored as well as the main stream media that received 600 millions bailout from the government last year so they can go push this narrative on every news outlet. Focus on the positive things that happened and how many people actually survive the virus instead of cases if you want to spread positivity. Slowly this blog is becoming as one of the boring news outlets. I came to read you blog just to escape and see different content than the news but now is all the same. Bye, bye Garth, I am disappointed. Just think about this for a minute “if first lockdown and masks really worked we would not be in a second lockdown”. Don’t let them fool you, you are the greaterfool :-)

Bye, Bye, Mouse. Don’t let the door graze your rodent ass. – Garth

#178 Sonny on 11.20.20 at 11:12 am

Personal Finance Survey Finds 1 In 5 Canadians Expect Debt To ‘Disappear Or Be Forgiven’

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.ca/amp/entry/household-debt-canada-poll_ca_5fb6b0ecc5b695be8300e856/

#179 Sara on 11.20.20 at 11:35 am

Regarding Terry #149, at least I can stop reading the comments section here (or can I?), but in my real world I have to deal regularly with a close family member who thinks similarly, is addicted to right wing “news” media, etc, yet claims to be a “facts and data” person. I am reminded of Faron’s recent comment — something to the effect of (though stated much more eloquently): to truly know and understand someone is to love them, warts and all. But man, it’s hard.

#180 Love_The_Cottage on 11.20.20 at 11:50 am

#171 Ready Now on 11.20.20 at 9:55 am
…What’s a person supposed to do right now? Not what they were supposed to do in March or September, but right now?
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An investing question popped up in the conspiracy blog.

Generally you should hire a professional and get advice, but assuming you are comfortable with doing your own investing here are my thoughts. I had a bit of cash after an inheritance and I invested at 4 pre-determined times over 6 months, 25% each time. There is a strong argument to put it all in the market right away but doing it this way let me sleep better at night. Of course I’m talking about investing in ETF’s across Canada, the US and International funds.

So you bought less each time with the same money? Great plan. – Garth

#181 Tommy on 11.20.20 at 11:52 am

Just reading Garth’s snarky responses to his blig dog’s comments, shows me that the question asked on here a few days ago bears repeating: Is Garth Turner even a conservative?

If being a conservative means believing Trump won, Covid’s a hoax, mask-wearing is stupid, Trudeau will reset the world and the vax is poison, ah, no. – Garth

#182 Marc Perreault on 11.20.20 at 12:05 pm

@Garth

>Ah, there’s a pandemic.

Do you genuinely believe that?

This comments section is on the verge of shutting down. – Garth

Hahahahaha please don’t shut down it is my daily laugh!!

#183 Mattl on 11.20.20 at 12:41 pm

#171 Ready Now on 11.20.20 at 9:55 am
I had my Lower Mainland house listed for most of 2018 and part of 2019. Not one offer, so I yanked the listing. I resisted at a higher price in the late summer of 2020 and it sold in less than 2 weeks.

Deal just closed and now I’m sitting on a pile of cash and looking to invest.

It sure would be nice to hear some discussion about how the markets, now sitting at record high multiples, have set themselves up for minimal returns for years to come. What’s a person supposed to do right now? Not what they were supposed to do in March or September, but right now?

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Sure the indexes are at close to record highs, but there are lots of good businesses trading at 1/3/5 year lows. Sure not as attractive as March lows, but still lots of value in the market. CDN banks, O&G, etc.

It’s never then wrong time to invest in a balanced and globally diversified portfolio. Stop looking at just the Dow. – Garth

#184 Peter in Toronto on 11.20.20 at 1:06 pm

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#185 WTF on 11.20.20 at 1:24 pm

#97 Fried Eggs

Great point regarding critical thinking.

Your Dad’s story is what makes this country great! Wife’s parents a similar circumstance. Penniless, no english, Worked hard, no time for whining, built a great life. Kids respectful and industrious.

Given your age make sure are following GT’s advice and are well situated for the future. It comes quickly:-) Most don’t seem to have that baked in to their long term critical thinking

I appreciate the insights. Take Care

#186 George S on 11.20.20 at 1:28 pm

#13 Tron Light said:
“While deaths are a tragedy that happens on life, 250,000 in the US is well below the prediction of 2.2 million. I would say that that is good news, no?”

So based on your expertise in public health and epidemiology you have determined that the pandemic is over and there will be no more deaths?

#187 willworkforpickles on 11.20.20 at 1:32 pm

Regardless of the difference in bond structures of Canada and the US, Canada follows in lockstep with the US. A debt forgiveness of any major circumstance will not happen in either country. Foreign holders of US debt would not approve and the US would be ending its primary world reserve status forthwith with that action.
Other countries may reset with or without major conditions…not here.
Default after the dollars reserve status is wrested away is the likely consequence for government largesse at any rate in the coming years… but still years away.

#188 Greek on 11.20.20 at 1:40 pm

Your friend Brad Lamb is spreading conspiracy theories from his multi-million dollar business social media accounts!
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/jxo7gf/emma_may_on_twitter_emma_may_emmamaymma_well_a/

I am aware. Shame on him. – Garth

#189 JB on 11.20.20 at 1:49 pm

#29 R on 11.19.20 at 5:17 pm

Trump puts a new meaning to the phrase “ Anyone can become president “
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Legal requirements for presidential candidates have remained the same since the year Washington accepted the presidency. As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older. These requirements do not prohibit women or minority candidates from running. Courtesy of the Library of Congress.
It does not however say anywhere about the mental faculties functioning properly or if they actually reside within said cranium of the president such as Trump!

#190 Gravy Train on 11.20.20 at 2:11 pm

Will Mark Milley defenestrate Trump on Jan. 20, frog-marching him out of the White House? Or will Trump leave Washington and head back to Mar-a-Lago soon after Christmas, ignoring future lawsuits and criminal subpoenas? Or will Trump flee to Saudi Arabia to avoid extradition? Other guesses? Get out the popcorn! :P

#191 Barb on 11.20.20 at 2:15 pm

“Bye, Bye, Mouse. Don’t let the door graze your rodent ass. – Garth”

Perfect as always, Mr. T.

Reminded me of this sign about LED headlights:
So glad you can see the hair on the arse of a raccoon two hundred yards away, but they hurt my eyes.

#192 Lorne on 11.20.20 at 3:42 pm

#146 dosouth on 11.19.20 at 11:16 pm
#12 Ponzius Pilatus,,,,,

Horgan won a substantial majority.
So, I would guess most BCer’s do not share your view.
So suck it up for 4 years
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Great observation, a politician focused on keeping in power using a pandemic and forcing people out of their homes to voting stations to vote. You know like running a province with less than 50% of the popular vote (47.6 to be exact) Coming with historically low voter turnout I might add….and we wonder why?? So your substantial majority is only in seat numbers not rep by population.

Yes, this is leadership…..really?? And is why we are where we are now. Numbers are just numbers, until they say otherwise.
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47% in a “First past the Post” vote with more than 2 parties is a resounding victory! However, I assume you would favour some form of Proportional Representation, as would I…unfortunately , we are no there yet, but it will come so we can avoid parties having all of the power with only 37% of the vote, which is very often the case in Canada.
Oh, and nobody was forced out of their homes to vote…I, along with 500 000 + others voted by mail…not a problem…..
It is unfortunate your chosen party did not win, but do not blame a loss on the victors….you may wish to focus on what your party needs to do!

#193 Omicron on 11.20.20 at 4:37 pm

I stopped reading the comment section probably two years ago. Love the blog though, Garth, read every single day and look forward to it everyday.

Decided to venture into the comments today… What an absolute dumpster fire. Shut it down, Garth.

If this comments section is a cross-section of humanity, we’re doomed.

Shut. It. Down.

You should see what I trashed. I had to put on PPE. – Garth

#194 Prince Polo on 11.21.20 at 11:36 am

If being a conservative means believing Trump won, Covid’s a hoax, mask-wearing is stupid, Trudeau will reset the world and the vax is poison, ah, no. – Garth

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EPIC!!!

#195 neo on 11.22.20 at 11:03 am

Garth,

So just asking for due diligence to take place first is what gets deleted huh?

Interesting….Hopefully you will take your own advice and no longer discuss the topic on your blog as well. Seems to me nobody including yourself and many on the blog are willing to openingly discuss anything. Everybody is just entrenched in their own position and just say inflammatory things to each other. Microcosm of politics and society in general at the moment.