Over the top

Election? Pffft. It’s a mess. (See the end of this pathetic post for details.)

And speaking of shameful disasters, let’s turn our attention to 98 Tragina Avenue, in a dodgy hood of Hamilton, that catch basin at the end of Lake Ontario. If you like deceased felines, empty cans, trash bags, decay and a thick coating of hoarder FOMO, this is your baby.

The junker was recently listed for $284,900 – low enough to seriously stir the loins of house-horny millennial GTA refugees. That came despite this warning from the listing agent:

Sold “AS IS” basis. Seller has no knowledge of UFFI. Buyer is to verify taxes and any rental equipment. Seller makes no representations and/or warranties. All room sizes approx. All Interior access denied due to safety concerns.

Well, you know what happened. Multiple offers and a selling price of $420,000. Here it is:

So in the middle of a global pandemic with surging cases, a recession, double-digit unemployment, record government deficits, historic mortgage deferrals and millions on the pogey we can now add a contested US election and political instability in the world’s biggest economy – where Covid is out of control.

So what shall we do this weekened, Honey? “Hey, let’s go pay an extra $135,000, or 47% more than the vendor is asking, for a crap house filled with dead cats and garbage! In Hamilton!”

Seriously. We’ve lost it. Here’s my report…

Hamilton (Pooched Index: 12)
Sales were up last month more than 23% over year-ago levels, but the decline from September was close to 8%. Maybe one reason is a 40% crash in active listings after all the house-lusty kids from 416 Hoovered the place. Dumps like 98 Tragina are all that’s left. Anyway, the average price for residential properties has jumped 20% year/year. It’s now $721,523. Yes, for Hamilton.

Kelowna (PI: 18)
Dig this: sales of single detached houses are up 114% from last October, but the number of active listings is down a withering 36%. Just as the Toronto kiddos are polluting Steeltown, so are the Van yuppies trying to turn the Okanagan into a world-class sinkhole for wealth. The price of a detached is rising eight grand a month, now almost $170,000 more than a year ago. Nobody wants condos (of course) while the average house is currently at $850,634.  But the babes at Joeys are priceless.

Toronto /GTA (PI: 7)
It’s two cities now. In urban Toronto condo sales crashed 8.5% last month, year/year, while detached houses kept selling. Apartment prices and rents are heading south, especially for units of 500 feet or less (Airbnb hosts and amateur landlords freaking). In the 905, though, it’s insane. Condo sales surged 28%, detached sales exploded 39% (twenty points more than in 416) and prices shot up 18%. The average, soulless, boring, next-to-Costco Mississauga box is now $1.12 million – just three hundred less than the city equivalent, thanks to WFH. But be aware you need a minivan or SUV with stick people in the back window.

Montreal (P1:3)
The locals don’t get it, but this remains one of the best, cheapest, deepest markets in North America. However you need to look French. Sales leapt higher in October by 37%, and as with other places, inventory is on the decline. Prices have swollen considerably – up 21% in a year for singles and 16% for condos. But the median value in Canada’s second-biggest market is still less than $450,000 – a million bucks less than five hours to the west, down the 401. C’est cool.

Vancouver (PI: 11)
Yes, sales were better again last month (29%) thanks to the combination of cheapo mortgages and the pandemic thing. But listings are headed up – there are now 37% more properties on the market than last autumn. The Frankenumber price index is ahead annually by a relatively meagre 6%, at just over a million. Detacheds are up 8.5%, over $1.5 million. But the FOMO is fading, locals say. Not enough immigrants and too many socialists, apparently.

London (PI:16)
It used to be a quality little city at a good price. No more. Last month recorded the most sales ever. The average house now tops $530,000, for a 28% year/year surge. Listings are down by a fifth and local realtors are attributing this all to the virus. Toronto refugees. Work-from-homers. People seeking safe, sedate, serene. If you like snow, but Moncton is too far away, this is your dish.

Calgary (PI: 0)
October was a hot month but there’s no hiding the fact that while almost every other city in Canada has had a Covid-crazy market, Cowtown sales are still running 6% below last year’s dismal level. Prices? Ziltch. Down about 1% from 2019, and 10% below previous highs. And that’s even taking into account a sales mix which is skewing to the top end now (over $600,000) since many people with nice houses are giving up and dropping the ask. Condos? Abandoned like all those uncapped wells. Sales are off 15% and the greatest action is with places worth less than $200,000. In Toronto those are called ‘garden sheds.’

Halifax (PI: 4)
Like London, but cheaper and with a navy. The largest city in the Atlantic Bubble has seen the virus bring a housing bubble – which would be worrisome if prices had not started from a relatively low level. The average detached house sold last month for just over $390,000, which is 13.5% more than a year ago and still cheap by national standards for a city of 500,000. How hot are things? The sale-to-list ratio last week hit 101%.

Victoria (PI: 13)
Got a navy, too. And a ton of government officials and old people. And condos. And delusional buyers. Sales last month exploded 59% over year-ago levels and (get this) condo deals climbed more than 70%. Record demand. Dwindling inventory (down 20%). Multiple offers. The benchmark detached price is now almost $880,000 while condos have hit $512,500.  That’s a lot of money to live in a place you need a boat to visit, and where the jobless rate went from 3.6% to almost 11%, thanks to Covid. But you get flowers in February. Plus Comrade Premier Horgan.

The Election

Okay, why did US stocks go on a tear Wednesday after an election nobody won? Mr. Market thinks Biden will squeak through, Republicans will keep the Senate, a stimulus bill is a slam-dunk but big tax increases, an assault on oil and breaking-up the FAANG guys are off the table. Who wins is now kinda irrelevant and it’s clear what we have to focus on. Rona.

171 comments ↓

#1 A on 11.04.20 at 3:16 pm

It’s “Joey” not “Joeys”

#2 Jay on 11.04.20 at 3:18 pm

If one thing is consistent, its that no one cares about Edmonton.

#3 Trunalimunumaprzure on 11.04.20 at 3:20 pm

It reminds me of Zimbabwe’s elections.

At close to midnight after poll updates suspiciously grind to a halt in key areas, Mugabe comes out and declares I’m from Scranton (not really) and there’s nothing to see here folks, we are looking good (even though the polls show something completely different).

Then in the magic of the night trucksloads of Mugabe ballots are found and all of a sudden the polls change by morning in to his favor.

Or was that Cuba. I mean Venezuela.

God help us. Oh wait, we live in Canada. Trudeau has a Freeland 1000 printer to maintain our debt advantage over all other G7 countries.

Biden said it best, “Folks, Trunalimunumaprzure!!!!!!!”

#4 Captain Uppa on 11.04.20 at 3:26 pm

I like Collingwood. It’s on my radar, but also ridiculously expensive.

Halifax is a great city.

You didn’t account for beautiful weather in the West. Mucho bueno.

London is ok, but I think similar and better cities are out East.

Never been to Calgary, but am an avid hiker. Not so bad to pay for cheap RE and drive up to Banff on the weekends. Cold though.

#5 Personally on 11.04.20 at 3:27 pm

I thought jobs, higher incomes, lower taxes, higher markets, lower pharma, more tolerance, fewer wars, secure borders, less identity politics, less cancellation culture, less racism, fewer celebs telling us what to do, less corruption, more pride in the nation and so much more may have been good for America.

I guess most didn’t.

I thank my lucky stars I live in Canada!

#6 Keith on 11.04.20 at 3:30 pm

Forget the polls. Vegas, and the stock market tell you all you need to know. Biden will take this one. Trump lovers take heart, with a Republican Senate the hard left agenda is dead before the votes will be counted.

Rural urban split is taking over North American politics. Americans don’t vote politicians out like Canadians do. Authoritarian capitalism (Russia, China and U.S. under Trump) is in vogue. And one minute with Charlie Munger is worth a thousand words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxRlw4C4fVQ&fbclid=IwAR1qInBMK

#7 Mattl on 11.04.20 at 3:37 pm

Kelowna RE has been undervalued for a long time. Houses prices peak in 2008 were 450K, took 8 more years to hit that number again and prices didn’t really take off until 2017. And yes, the growth the last 2 years, in particular the past 12 months, has been crazy. But even at 850K it is less then 2x over the past 12 years.

What is funny is, there were a number of Kelowna doomers on this blog (Ogopogo where you at?) a few years ago that were convinced that houses at that time were way overpriced. These guys were calling for 30-40% reduction, and I kept responding asking what is the reasoning for prices reverting back to 2005? Never made sense, as there was and I’d argue still is, value here.

And by value I mean, you could, as of this time last year, buy: a1 acre, built in the 90s home 3K sqft with a pool,water view, walk to the beach, 20 mins from Vernon / 25 from Kelowna center, 15 to an international airport, in wine country for under 900K. Basically all of that for the cost of a home on a 4K sqft lot in Maple Ridge.

So, I’m not surprised. But to those thinking it will keep going up, I would say take a look at historical. What happens in Kelowna is prices are stagnant for a decade, go nuts, retreat a bit, and then are flat for another decade. Boom and bust out here and this time will be no different.

We have no plans to sell but it has been fun watching everything sell, and properties finally catching up to other quality locations.

#8 Prozax Addict on 11.04.20 at 3:39 pm

If there was a termite infestation or foundational damage, then it will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to tear down and rebuild.
Unless they know a few Toronto Police who can intimidate the bylaw inspectors of Hamilton.

#9 OilPrice Fixer on 11.04.20 at 3:42 pm

If America is oil-friendly again, wouldn’t that drive down oil prices?

Didn’t Exxon discover over 100 billion barrels of oil somewhere down South?

#10 Joseph R. on 11.04.20 at 3:45 pm

#212 Just Ed on 11.04.20 at 12:45 pm
Trump lost Bidin won but no one in MSM wants to be the first to call it as they know what the potential consequences are…. protests, riots, civil disobedience. I think that they (MSM) are going to wait until every single last vote comes in before they declare a winner even though the know with a high certainty who the winner is.

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And a wise move it is. After all, the MSM predicted that the mail-in votes will be record-breaking this election due to Covid.

As I expected, Trump will try to cash in his deal with Dejoy get the mail-in votes to be discarded, with frivolous lawsuits.

After all, he can’t ask for a recount because only the loser party can ask for it. He would need to admit he lost the election first.

#11 Mike in Edm on 11.04.20 at 3:46 pm

Edmonton PI: 1
Prices have been pretty flat for several years now, similar to what’s happening in Calgary, but our average house price has always been about $100k cheaper than Calgary.

My wife works for Suncor, and for those of you living under a rock, Suncor just announced that ~700 of their staff in Ontario will be required to relocate to Calgary. From what she’s heard, most are turning their nose up at the offer. LOL.

Good luck finding something comparable in Ontario where unemployment is just as bad as in Alberta. You could sell your overpriced house out east, buy comparable for half the price in Calgary, be 1hour from the mountains, and have very very very secure jobs if Suncor is willing to keep and relocate you rather than turf you (like they’re doing with 15% of their workforce). These employees hit the jackpot, but their too “Center-of-the-Universe-esq”, aka Torontonian to realize it.

#12 A J on 11.04.20 at 3:50 pm

Whoever bought that house is the definition of a greater fool.

#13 Love_The_Cottage on 11.04.20 at 3:51 pm

Hey, let’s go pay an extra $135,000, or 47% more than the vendor is asking, for a crap house filled with dead cats and garbage! In Hamilton!
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Nice trolling, but of course the asking price is meaningless. Always was. Always will be.

#14 Prairieboy43 on 11.04.20 at 3:56 pm

SNOOPY (2020)…..everything bigger 2020.
PB43

#15 Apocalypse2020 on 11.04.20 at 3:58 pm

This is where things are right now, in the words of Ray Dalio:

“In thinking about the timing of a war, I keep in mind the principle that when countries have big internal disorder, it is an opportune moment for opposing countries to aggressively exploit their vulnerabilities.
For example, the Japanese made their moves to take control of European colonies in Southeast Asia in the 1930s when the European countries were challenged by their depressions and their conflicts. History has also taught us that when there are leadership transitions and/or weak leadership, at the same time that there is big internal conflict, the risk of the enemy making an offensive move should be considered elevated. For example, those conditions could exist in the upcoming US presidential election. ”

https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/#chapter4BigCycleEmpireLife

This is how Russia, China, NK and Iran are thinking right now about the USA.

Except that there is also a wild card here:

Trump is also thinking in these terms. And if he sees the numbers making him a loser, he still has 2 months to create chaos as a smokescreen to control power.

A ballot dispute, combined with war, is his recipe to stay in power. At any cost to the nation, to all nations.

So for now you may think you can gorge on all the news cycles. It may seem like there will be days and weeks ahead to waste on that.

Perhaps. But at any time, that will shift – to hours.

Then minutes.

This will become explosive.

Don’t wait and watch.

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#16 Gpr on 11.04.20 at 3:59 pm

It might not be honey buying it up Garth.. It might be house flipper who smells gold (pun).. Expecting to do some work and sell it off to someone who might not be aware of the old state of the house.. Nice 300K profit for few months of work.. One of the many reasons of the sorry state the housing market is in..

#17 Stone on 11.04.20 at 4:00 pm

All hail 46.

As for 98 Tragina Avenue, karma is a bitch. On the flip side, they can relist it and probably sell it for more. I recommend they use the same shady, slimy realturd who sold it to them.

#18 Apocalypse2020 on 11.04.20 at 4:04 pm

And as Trump willfully steps forward into war, he is confident that his SCOTUS allies will now provide any legal declarations he may need.

Don’t wait til January 20 to see this happen, if you even make it that far.

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#19 Millennial 1%er on 11.04.20 at 4:07 pm

As usual, Ottawa is ignored :'( I’ll sum it up though, it’s pretty bad

#20 Oakville Rocks! on 11.04.20 at 4:11 pm

“that catch basin at the end of Lake Ontario”, is this meant to be an insult to Hamilton?

Those of us who know Hamilton know that there is lots there to be proud of not the least of which is its place at the head of the table that is Lake Ontario.

To remind you of just a few:

Hamilton is the waterfall capital of the world with more than 100 designated waterfalls within the city limits. And most of those are found on some of the best walking/hiking and cycling trails found anywhere. Hamilton is of course an integral part of the Bruce Trail (Canada’s oldest marked footpath) that leads from Tobermory all the way to Niagara. Year round Hamiltonians can be found with their dogs on the rail trail (a small part of which is part of the Bruce trail) that runs along the escarpment from west Hamilton to Brantford (home of Wayne Gretzky)

Speaking of 99, he and 66 teamed up to play two of the most exciting games of the Canada Cup at Copps Coliseum in 1987.

And how can you think of hockey without noting that Hamilton is home to the very first Tim Hortons. Even today Hamilton leads the country in the elevation of the doughnut to fine cuisine. Check out the Arkells’ Peoples Champ for a glimpse of Hamilton and GrandDad Donuts.

And let’s not forget Hamilton’s rich musical history which includes Canada’s foremost punk band – Teenage Head.

I haven’t even mentioned McMaster University or its famous funny alumni Martin Short, Eugene Levy, Dave Thomas (all three Hamiltonians by birth), John Candy & Ivan Reitman.

Is that house on Tragina overpriced?, sure. But most assuredly, anyone who moves to Hamilton will come to love the city and all it has to offer.

#21 Andrewski on 11.04.20 at 4:12 pm

Here’s the place to be during all this tumult:

https://www.lilybeachmaldives.com/

#22 3s on 11.04.20 at 4:21 pm

NONE OF THIS MATTERS – When money is free value does not matter, neither the type of asset, just that you are the holder of it.

Hyperinflation makes even SH!T valuable (in term of numbers anyway ;)

There is no hyperinflation no ever will be in this country. Do you even know what that is? – Garth

#23 Wrk.dover on 11.04.20 at 4:25 pm

Average Trump voter knows more NASCAR driver names than national politician names.

#24 AGuyInVancouver on 11.04.20 at 4:29 pm

” Not enough immigrants and too many socialists, apparently.” – (Garth)

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Blasphemy! You’re insinuating immigrants drive up housing prices. Slap yourself silly for your xenophobia.

Actually most are renters, which does support condos. – Garth

#25 Dolce Vita on 11.04.20 at 4:35 pm

Biden 270 on the button.

#6 Keith

Oddsmakers not so sure themselves. Peruse @smarkets on Twitter (“The best of sports betting, political prediction markets and fintech in one sleek, 2% commission exchange. “).

Probability of who wins changed over the past 20 hours faster than a New York minute:

https://i.imgur.com/AOMbA8o.png

Canadians vote the PMO out, that’s all. No checks and balances in the system like the US with a Senate.

All you vote for in Canada is whom will be the next Benevolent Despot. If a minority, well you can see how well that is going in Canada nowadays.

Spend, spend, spend with no end in sight. Keep the Fed NDP happy and Liberals in power.

Lovely, just lovely.

OH ya, did I mention you have no Gov in session in Canada, prorogued?

The 2 men that would be KING.

#26 Cto on 11.04.20 at 4:36 pm

#22 3s
Hyperinflation

Ok Garth, if this poster left out the word “hyperinflation”.
Would he still be wronge,?, because what the BOC is doing is exactly as summarized, …without hyperinflation.
They have basically turned debt into currency in a way they will not be able to back out of….ever….

#27 Jake on 11.04.20 at 4:37 pm

“Who wins is now kinda irrelevant”

So no selloff since the sore loser is going to wreak havoc with his lawyers for another 3 months?

#28 Nonplused on 11.04.20 at 4:38 pm

What a week this will be for US political observers.

It is important to keep in mind that most of the “calls” made so far are by the networks based on preliminary results and not final tallies. They factor in things like “voter behavior”, “past results”, and statistical mumbo jumbo to decided when to “call” a state. Usually it works pretty good but it results in some unusual phenomena. For example Fox news called California, Oragon, and Washington State for Biden as soon as the polls closed with zero percent of the vote reported. But this seems reasonable because there was a zero percent chance Trump was going to win any of those states.

It still looks to me like Trump could eek out a victory but it is really really close. If he loses Nevada his prospects look dim. He needs to win pretty much everything still up for grabs. Odds are in Biden’s favor I would say. But so far Arizona is the only state Biden “flipped” that is considered “called”. That is only 11 votes.

The Trump team is already discussing supreme court challenges for voting irregularities and recounts, but as Gore vs. Bush proved the supreme court doesn’t have jurisdiction on voting, each state runs its own election and the state supreme courts thus have jurisdiction. So we could have to sit through 5 or 6 challenges. That’s one of the reasons they have the electoral college. There isn’t really a Federal election, instead each state votes on how they will vote in the electoral college and manages the election itself.

Assuming Biden does win I still put the odds fairly high he will not serve his full term due to health reasons. So President Harris it will be.

What a mess.

Biden looks more fit than the other guy. What health problems? – Garth

#29 Andrewski on 11.04.20 at 4:41 pm

Re: #20 Oakville Rocks. Absolutely agree, I was at both of the ‘87 hockey games, approximately 10 rows up from the boards half way between the blue line & the net on those magical goals, fabulous!

#30 conan on 11.04.20 at 4:48 pm

Michigan just went Biden. It is so over, and Trump looks like a goof thinking he can use a multi-layer lawyer offence to stop what he does not like, and continue what he does.
Biden takes it and America is saved.

#31 Dolce Vita on 11.04.20 at 4:48 pm

CDN RONA UPDATE…

All Gov’s Canada COVID-19 Master Plan, 2nd Wave edition:

1. CONTINUE to put people & businesses out of work.
2. Give them $100’s of BILLIONS in compliance money.
3. All of the above in order to flatten the curve to keep ICUs below capacity.

Wouldn’t it have been CHEAPER in the 2nd EDITION to increase ICU and hospital bed capacity and let the young, that aren’t dying from COVID-19, keep working?

Bring in, Tout de Suite, some good old fashioned health professional immigrants for personnel shortfalls?

They’ve had ALL SUMMER AND FALL to think about it and do something. But OH NO. Printing money much more fun and so MUCH EASIER.

Pretty sure still plenty left over to render the vulnerable harmless (without having to bring in the ARMY).

And using the above BS to get re-elected (BTW BC, as testing increases, guess what happened after your election…TOLD YOU SO…count no evil, speak about evil since it’s safe to do so now after the election).

…some Master Plan that was…oh wait a minute…IT STILL IS.

FWIW

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SWEDISH RONA UPDATE…

1. Smittan ökar – så är läget där du bor.
2. Senaste nytt om coronaläget i Uppsala.
3. Coronapandemins andra rond är här.

—> Svenska for it’s NOT going well.

And a public announcement:

4. Trafikvarning för älg på E45.

(Moose traffic warning on E45)

…You just have to love @Aftonbladet.

#32 Faron on 11.04.20 at 4:50 pm

Biden takes MI. Depending on who you ask, has AZ. v. likely Nevada for the win. He’ll probably wind up with PA too when all is said and done. Sorry Trumpettes.

Here’s hoping the Trump show fades over the coming months and the far right goons slink back into their lairs weeping, stroking their AR-15s. It will be interesting to see how much fleecing he can do and how much he can enrich his children before leaving office.

Still too soon to pop the Champaigne, but I’m putting it in the fridge now.

#33 Faron on 11.04.20 at 4:51 pm

Q: Can the secret service protect an imprisoned former head of state? What would that look like. Just curious. No reason.

#34 Mick McClean on 11.04.20 at 4:54 pm

Curious how others feel about Barrie, Ont. on beautiful Kempenfelt Bay on crystal clean Lake Simcoe and how it compares to somewhere like Kelowna and Hamilton. Average home price seems to be $600,000. In a snow belt with lots of excellent hills and trails within 15 minutes. TO an hour away (on a good day). Barrie is a commuter town but that could change with the WFH phenomena. Thinking it’s a place that’s under-valued.

#35 S.Bby on 11.04.20 at 4:55 pm

So much for the recent CMHC prediction of an 18% drop in real estate prices. What do we pay those guys for?

#36 jal on 11.04.20 at 4:59 pm

With the Republican Senate, a stimulus bill is not a slam-dunk.

We, the people have lost.
The elites have won.
The spigots might open for the people after the 2021 United States presidential inauguration that will take place on Wednesday, January 20, 2021. The event will be the 59th presidential inauguration.
The democrats will need a lots of time to clean house after Biden moves into the office and prepare to govern.

#37 Jenny on 11.04.20 at 5:00 pm

The republican senate from 2016 compared to now is not the same…it is close to an even split between both parties. Lots of wiggle room…let Mr. market know. Also the house is skewed heavily towards democrats. Perhaps the corrupt market is drawing to a hard shut !

#38 Faron on 11.04.20 at 5:02 pm

Nonplused: So President Harris it will be. What a mess.

Biden’s fine. He has a stutter and Trump has manipulated that into something different for dolts like you to run with.

If Biden becomes not fine, I’m much happier having a president sitting who will follow constitutional transfer of power when and if needed. One who respects basic constitutional principles and decorum.

Regardless, I’m looking forward to voting for Harris in four years assuming she holds up as VP and her policies (to the extent that they are separable from those of the president) are sound to my viewing of them. I’m guessing we get a very active and capable VP presence here unlike Pence who was a snooze until he got shoved in front of the runaway COVID train.

#39 Irish Stew on 11.04.20 at 5:05 pm

Assault on oil brings higher oil prices and dependency on Middle East oil again.
Kills SUV and automotive.
Jobs in Ontario are decreased.

People hate Trump.
But what policies did Biden enact in his 40+ years to better the American people – let alone minorities?

#40 not 1st on 11.04.20 at 5:05 pm

Yeah so like winning OH, FL and TX and adding 8 seats to the house and holding the Senate but losing the presidency is totally normal. Or halting counting at 10pm or the 90% turnout in MI and WI is normal or magical trucks of ballets being shipped in at 4am. Or blocking the poll monitors or boarding up the windows to the voting station. All normal.

Its a mess alright because fraudulent VBM ballots are in the mix. I suspect recounts and a SCOTUS challenge are pending.

#41 Sara on 11.04.20 at 5:08 pm

#33 Faron

LOL

#42 Keith on 11.04.20 at 5:08 pm

@ #25 Dolce Vita

“Spend spend spend, with no end in sight.”

https://ca.reuters.com/article/idINL8N2C93OD

Italy debt to GDP pushing 160% … Pot, kettle.

#43 TurnerNation on 11.04.20 at 5:12 pm

No fun allowed in the New System Comrade.
Going out must take work and hardship. For your health.
Strict new CV religious protocols in effect.
The omnipresent CV demands it. It sees all. You will be smited drinking a beer past 9pm. Early bedtime Comrade, you must work tomorrow and we have new national debt to be paid.

Hang your head, wear your yoke, and go out for a good time! This will last for YEARS is their plan. This type of power will never be given up
No wonder Uber, Lyft stocks up 10%+ today – people ordering for delivery.
Science yo.

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2020/11/rules-toronto-bars-restaurants-ontario-new-framework/

“Under the framework’s rules for the Orange-Restrict level, restaurants and bars will be required to continue following some of the restrictions currently in place for food and drink establishments, including a two-metre distance between tables, no buffet-style service, mandatory face coverings except when eating or drinking, and more.

The new measures for this level, which the government calls “intermediate,” require that there be a 50-person indoor capacity limit, a closing time of 10 p.m., and that liquor be sold or served only between 9 a.m. and 9 p.m.”

#44 Tripp on 11.04.20 at 5:15 pm

Many of us that few years ago were eager to replace Harper are not so happy how it turned out. It may take less time for the Americans to experience the same.

#45 under the radar on 11.04.20 at 5:31 pm

#34 Lake Simcoe is a disaster on summer weekends. Way to busy . During the week it can be serene. Living in a Barrie subdivision is like any other . People have their toys tarped in the driveway and snow tires stacked at the side of their yard along with their green bins and their dogs barking incessantly . There are a few estate subdivisions which are nice. Most of the older subdivisions are tired, the homes are falling apart, and the new ones are pretty compact. Sure its cheaper , but for good reason. Commuting to Toronto on a daily basis is a terrible grind, especially when the 400 shuts down or the weather turns . But, there is a Walmart and Costco and congested traffic on Mapleview to get to them.

#46 Frank Carlano on 11.04.20 at 5:35 pm

I am hearing that Trudeau, Freeland Liberals are going to get rid of the TFSA completely. Is this true Garth?

The reason I am hearing this is they want to shift all the revenue lost from tax free interest, dividends, capital gains turn it into taxable income so they can give more money for the tax free CTB, Child Tax Benefit which is basically welfare for kids.

No. – Garth

#47 Faron on 11.04.20 at 5:39 pm

#40 not 1st on 11.04.20 at 5:05 pm

Yeah so like winning OH, FL and TX and adding 8 seats to the house and holding the Senate but losing the presidency is totally normal.

Actually, yep it is. Heavens, some states that vote republican in presidential races also vote democratic in gubernatorial races. How can this be?!

Or halting counting at 10pm

I was watching returns until the wee hours PST with updates in key states as I watched. States were clear about when they would count and followed their own guidelines.

or the 90% turnout in MI and WI is normal

Fabrications weaken your already weak stance. Bloomberg shows 75% in WI and 73% in MI. Higher than 2016, but reasonable in a hot election.

or magical trucks of ballets being shipped in at 4am.

You have no evidence of this. You don’t because it didn’t happen.

Pull your head out of the twittersphere and show us the evidence. And, no, that video of someone burning 80 “ballots” doesn’t count. It was staged and is shameful that it made it up into the Trump family for a retweet.

You are desperately grasping at straws to prop up an authoritarian leader who doesn’t even represent you. What is your deal, man?

#48 Faron on 11.04.20 at 5:45 pm

#39 Irish Stew on 11.04.20 at 5:05 pm

Assault on oil brings higher oil prices and dependency on Middle East oil again.

Who is assaulting it? Trudeau bought a pipeline for you. Kenney did too. And you realize that when prices went up last time the US became an energy independent nation, right? Makes tar sand and fracked oil economic.

Kills SUV and automotive.

Who cares? If car makers aren’t aligning to electric en mass, they should be and they should be bringing their workforce with them. Tesla is killing it because they have minimal competition for now. Competition will come and drive the technology even harder to improve and that will benefit uptake and manu of those cars. Hopefully here.

But what policies did Biden enact in his 40+ years to better the American people – let alone minorities?

I agree that a candidate shouldn’t run on a “not the other guy” platform, but Biden actually did put out a platform. He also has a miles long voting record in the senate and record as VP that you could look up.

#49 George on 11.04.20 at 5:58 pm

Donnie they r throwing you out bro!!!

call Rudy!!!

LMFAO

#50 Longtimereader on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

Look for the ON Gov to further goose this housing market by succumbing to OREA’s lobbying pressure and making changes to the LTT, recently published in some of OREAs recent reports.

Not a major impact but may send more buyers into a frenzy. Might see it tomorrow in the budget.

#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

I’m not into conspiracies, but someone please enlighten me…

What explains the sudden pause in vote counting last night, when even the CBC had Trump projected to take 290 or so seats at about 2am est, and then when the count restarts, Trump’s vote is literally frozen while only Biden’s jumps up?

I watched it live on about 11 different network streams (browser tabs), and it was uncanny and creepy. The pundits on Fox, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, WSJ, AP, NYT, WP and even CBC were speaking the exact words at one point.

“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”

It was uncanny, to say the least. Because there was some evidence, circumstantial but not irrelevant: they just paused the damn election!!

And then, it must be asked: how could a solid 99% of mail in ballets (100% in some cases) from battleground states really just be for Biden? No republicans sent in mail-in ballots? This completely bucks the numerical trends of voter preference up to that point.

And it’s not even statistically possible.

I know at most of you are celebrating a Biden win, but how can even democrats accept this?

Trump has to go to court, contest, do whatever he’s legally able to do to fight this to the bitter end because when something looks like election fraud, smells like election fraud, and tastes like election fraud…

Trump can’t shrug and walk off into the night given this bizarre, unprecedented, and still unexplained election pause that’s now making close to half of the American population cry out ‘WFT’ in unison? He’s duty-bound to challenge it.

Wanting Trump gone is anyone’s right (well, any Americans) but letting democracy be thrown out with him is brutal, telling, and truly loathsome.

#52 Nonplused on 11.04.20 at 6:02 pm

Biden looks more fit than the other guy. What health problems? – Garth

He’s forgetful and mumbles a lot, which could mean cognitive decline. Also he doesn’t seem to have much energy. But ya Trump is no spring chicken either and is overweight. They are both past their “best before” date.

Biden has a stutter which he has largely overcome. Stop watching Fox News. You are better than that. – Garth

#53 Armpit on 11.04.20 at 6:11 pm

Well… you can go out to the Hammer and clean the crap out of a home for $420,000 or go to the Whitehorse and pick up a stellar 1969 Trailer home on a foundation for $362,000 ….pending any bidding war.

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/22547058/10-maple-street-whitehorse

#54 will on 11.04.20 at 6:13 pm

#20 Oakville Rocks

Hey! Thank you for that about the waterfalls! Very cool. Never knew that. Hamilton now high on my list of destinations.

#55 Yukon Elvis on 11.04.20 at 6:16 pm

Trump will not go away. Tweet-storm coming for four years. He will run again in 2024. Make America great again !

#56 Faron on 11.04.20 at 6:21 pm

how could a solid 99% of mail in ballets (100% in some cases) from battleground states really just be for Biden?

1 — never mail in a ballet. Inhumane.
2 — That claim was debunked. A typo was made and then corrected. A repub operative sent it out and then retracted the tweet and apologized. Here are his own words:

https://twitter.com/MattMackowiak/status/1324117997691281414

And the NYT article that Matt cites and thanks for its accurate reporting.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions#no-joe-biden-wasnt-suddenly-awarded-138000-votes-in-michigan

The only one pouring kool-aid right now is Trump and his band of merry goons. Aside form that, the count is going ordinarily and as expected and is actually a triumph in the face of what had to be done to handle this many votes through COVID. It has been red at the start shifting to blue as the mail in ballots strongly represent cities in the rust belt. They are splitting 3:1 biden because the counties are in Detroit, Flint, Philly and Atlanta in the south. This has been discussed for months. It’s very disingenuous of Trump to act surprised here.

#57 Dolce Vita on 11.04.20 at 6:24 pm

What happens when you recklessly close down an economy, this by the Chinese (whom I’m pretty sure miss coming to Italia) about Rome’s hospitality industry…short and to the point:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-11/05/c_139491935.htm

What happens when Gov’s do not dole out billions in compliance money to people and businesses.

Ya, Italia has copious infections 30550 today, 352 deaths (60 million population), few if any young dying from COVID-19, 1208 in ICU well BELOW ICU capacity (10300 in the entire country), etc.

PS: tomorrow nighttime curfew 20 h to 5 h and 4 regions where they cannot travel outside of their region, red zones (Lombardia, Piemonte, Valle d’Aosta, Calabria).

———————–

The raping and pillaging of World economies by Gov’s not acting rationally and out of fear instead (2nd Wave…a PASS on 1st Wave since no one knew what to expect or what would happen).

Boggles the mind.

#58 Sail Away on 11.04.20 at 6:25 pm

#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

Trump can’t shrug and walk off into the night given this bizarre, unprecedented, and still unexplained election pause that’s now making close to half of the American population cry out ‘WFT’ in unison?

———–

Work From Toronto?

#59 Nonplused on 11.04.20 at 6:29 pm

Well, it looks at this point Trump has to win all of the remaining states, AK, NV, GA, NC, and PA to win. Possible but unlikely. It will probably be Biden. If NV goes to Biden it is over.

If the graphs of the cumulative votes in WI and MI are legit there will definately be recounts and lawsuits in those 2 states. The vertical movement in the Biden count right at the end looks suspicious. Could be just a correction of a clerical error but there will need to be an explanation.

#60 Jack Jalenne on 11.04.20 at 6:29 pm

Frank Carlano, you may be on to something. The other aspect that many don’t understand about the TFSA interest, capital gains, dividends, income becoming taxable is it is included in the OAS, EI, federal supplement to get clawed back.

It also impacts all tax free benefits that you can receive and for your family from age amount to G.S.T, H.S.T credit, CTB child tax benefit and many more tax credits, tax reductions.

Not a chance of this occurring. Do not be so naive. – Garth

#61 Garth's Son Drake on 11.04.20 at 6:33 pm

Here that flush? Yeah, that is my money going down the toilet on the Gunlach bet. Whewww! To hell with the voters. It is the vote counters that rule.

So, this Pooched Index – if I am reading it right – means that the higher the number, the more pooched?

That means Kelowna and London have had the most outsized gains of late (we now know where the majority of the money has flowed) and that Calgary is still the best bargain.

Here a better index – my COVID Index (which is a much better way of assessing opportunity given the fact that COVID has exposed virtually everything about human actions and what is really going on in this country with the people who occupy it):

Vancouver Coastal 2nd worst place in BC, Fraser Health worst place in BC, Interior Health 3rd worst place in BC.

Vancouver Island has kept numbers low, not surprisingly, so too has the Kootenays. Anywhere else in BC is Antarctica, so no point in discussing.

Vancouver Island is great, but already out of reach for you young people. And this is why my latest call on the Kootenays as being the last place to obtain dirt in BC still stands, but as pointed out on this blog, prices are rising fast in the pristine areas of the Kootenays as people are figuring out how good it is to live there. The place is pure. Some of the towns in this region are already gone, I mean, Nelson, BC is out of reach, apparently Rossland too, and Revelstoke – forget it. Some areas around Kaslo, Slocan Valley, and the village of Nakusp are okay, but if prices continue to rise, it will be time to write all of BC off for future investment into housing.

#62 april on 11.04.20 at 6:33 pm

If Ross Kay is anyone to go by, home sales and prices are not up anywhere near what is being pumped out by that sleepy industry. They pull listings from the last week of previous month, Sept, and add them to the next month, Oct, to inflate the numbers and hide the decline. The will pull numbers from the end of Oct and add them to November numbers and brag about the increase in Nov sales. Ross Kay, Nov 3. Howestreet.com. The real estate industry deception knows no end.

#63 Nonplused on 11.04.20 at 6:34 pm

Biden has a stutter which he has largely overcome. Stop watching Fox News. You are better than that. – Garth

And the forgetfulness? And I said “could”, I’ll admit there is no hard evidence.

I don’t know that I remember Fox News making a big deal of it. And I don’t really watch much more than the odd Tucker Carlson clip on YouTube. I like Tucker. But besides him Fox isn’t much better than any of the MSM, other than that they propagandize more from a right point of view.

#64 Cheese on 11.04.20 at 6:38 pm

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore, can’t afford it….

#65 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:40 pm


#56 Faron on 11.04.20 at 6:21 pm
how could a solid 99% of mail in ballets (100% in some cases) from battleground states really just be for Biden?

1 — never mail in a ballet. Inhumane.

Ha! Nice catch. Typo…

Faron you are on…high alert today.

#58 Sail Away on 11.04.20 at 6:25 pm
#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

…of the American population cry out ‘WFT’ in unison?

———–

Work From Toronto?

Also, nice. Maybe I was going for “What, F–k The…”

Cold slows the fingers.

#66 Sara on 11.04.20 at 6:44 pm

#47 Faron ” You are desperately grasping at straws to prop up an authoritarian leader who doesn’t even represent you. What is your deal, man?”

It’s a cult-like mentality. Certain psychological mindsets (predominantly of the male gender) are particularly prone to it.

#67 will on 11.04.20 at 6:46 pm

I saw Pink Floyd do Dark Side of the Moon at Ivor Wynn Stadium. Fond memory of Hamilton. Man that’s a long time ago.

#68 binky barnes on 11.04.20 at 6:55 pm

Trump. Biden. Biden. Trump. Who cares. I just go to bed each night thanking my lucky stars that we have Mr. Justin Trudeau ably guiding our nation through these turbulent times with the precision of a master seamstress threading a needle. It really is a beautiful thing to watch. It really is.

BB

#69 twofatcats on 11.04.20 at 6:56 pm

House flipping here in Niagara is a roaring business:

https://www.niagarathisweek.com/news-story/10020743–we-now-have-a-hole-in-our-house-fort-erie-home-ownership-dream-turns-to-nightmare/

#70 Gina Gallo on 11.04.20 at 7:05 pm

Garth, I hope the comments of taxing all of one’s TFSA is not going to happen. Trudeau, Freeland and others in this current Liberal party are not Liberals of the Chretien, Martin years 90’s, early 2000’s.

They are a tax, spend, debt to the max party and they are the masters of taking advantage of Canadians good natures.

#71 Faron on 11.04.20 at 7:05 pm

#65 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:40 pm

Faron you are on…high alert today.

Yeah, ech. I’m sorry Garth. I wish these posts didn’t have to take your time.

I live in Canada, but grew up in the US. I get grumpy at repubs to begin with, but when they are repub and Trumpettes, I get livid. This is a moral referendum and I believed that my countrymen would have been more decisive against the objective dumpster fire of the Trump presidency. Trump is losing by 3 million votes again, so the majority of voters want him gone. I’ll assume that a chunk of Trump voters hate his guts but have been enriched by him or are abortion nuts, so they get a pass in a sense. But, the fanboy apologists? WFT?

#72 Timmy on 11.04.20 at 7:06 pm

Re #11 Mike in Edm on

Yes, they are turning the Suncor jobs down because they don’t want to live in Calgary. Is this surprising? There is a reason prices are low there…

#73 Wait There on 11.04.20 at 7:17 pm

If Biden takes it, so what? The pieces are there.
The GOP will retain the Senate, that means 4 years of nothing for Biden that is substantial. So he will retain the crown of do nothing. In the next 4 years the USA will remain divisive.

Then in the next 4 years. What? Can Biden run for a second term? Are you kidding me?, we’ll be lucky if he makes it through the first. So Kamla Harris will vie for the presidency in 4 years. What are her chances if she runs. Kamla might be the first accidental female president of the USA though, there’s a better than 30% chance of that.

Well you might as well know that Nikki Haley will run in 2024. With Trump backing her, she will retain his support base. Plus she will get the moderate and centre female vote and she will dig deep into the centre vote. It will be a landslide next time for her and the nation will finally come together.

Nikki Haley will be the first ELECTED female president in 4+ years. Count on it. She has the experience, and she carries herself well and she is part minority. She IS Presidential. Why did she not run this time and replace Pence. She is building her own team. If she ran with Trump and Trump came back in, it would be a bad situation for her to try and take three terms as Republicans. She’d miss the opportunity to be Pres. She is Pres in waiting. You read it here. NIKKI HALEY 2024.

#74 belly rubs on 11.04.20 at 7:19 pm

“…it’s clear what we have to focus on. Rona.”

Some. Others adapt. Crisis/opportunity/evolution. Visionaries who find themselves in a herd of reactionaries dream about rodeos.

You should brand and franchise a TFSA 123 online course. Step 1, step 2, click. Show people how to play with it. You could have a division of wfh helpers. Winter coming, people will need to do something.

#75 Terry on 11.04.20 at 7:19 pm

Trump has still got this. Have “Faith” he will still win……..just wait for it!

#76 LP on 11.04.20 at 7:23 pm

#20 Oakville Rocks! on 11.04.20 at 4:11 pm

Right on poster! And let’s not forget the great, up-to-date hospitals, Juravinski among them. I have personal knowledge of that one and will be forever grateful for my treatment there.
My oldest grand-daughter attends McMaster in her 2nd year and frequently posts the most beautiful photos of some of the trails and of the various waterfalls she has visited. Sometimes those of us from Toronto cast awful aspersions at Hamilton, most without any first hand knowledge of the city.

F73ON

#77 TurnerNation on 11.04.20 at 7:29 pm

USA’s response to public health, which this IS all about right? They want us wasted zombies, dependent on them for handouts. Tik Tock when’s UBI coming?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-decriminalizes-possession-of-hard-drugs-as-four-other-states-legalize-recreational-marijuana/ar-BB1aGqTN?

“Oregon decriminalizes possession of hard drugs, as four other states legalize recreational marijuana
Cleve Wootson, Jaclyn Peiser 13 hrs ago”

#78 Stone on 11.04.20 at 7:33 pm

#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm
I’m not into conspiracies, but someone please enlighten me…

What explains the sudden pause in vote counting last night, when even the CBC had Trump projected to take 290 or so seats at about 2am est, and then when the count restarts, Trump’s vote is literally frozen while only Biden’s jumps up?

I watched it live on about 11 different network streams (browser tabs), and it was uncanny and creepy. The pundits on Fox, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, WSJ, AP, NYT, WP and even CBC were speaking the exact words at one point.

“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”
“The president suggesting, without evidence…”

It was uncanny, to say the least. Because there was some evidence, circumstantial but not irrelevant: they just paused the damn election!!

And then, it must be asked: how could a solid 99% of mail in ballets (100% in some cases) from battleground states really just be for Biden? No republicans sent in mail-in ballots? This completely bucks the numerical trends of voter preference up to that point.

And it’s not even statistically possible.

I know at most of you are celebrating a Biden win, but how can even democrats accept this?

Trump has to go to court, contest, do whatever he’s legally able to do to fight this to the bitter end because when something looks like election fraud, smells like election fraud, and tastes like election fraud…

Trump can’t shrug and walk off into the night given this bizarre, unprecedented, and still unexplained election pause that’s now making close to half of the American population cry out ‘WFT’ in unison? He’s duty-bound to challenge it.

Wanting Trump gone is anyone’s right (well, any Americans) but letting democracy be thrown out with him is brutal, telling, and truly loathsome.

———

Well, I’m happy you included Fox in the MSM mix. That they say it after being such kiss asses for Trump tells me everything is legit.

#79 FriedEggs on 11.04.20 at 7:33 pm

It shoudn’t take this long to count votes unless your still dotting the tees and crossing the eyes.

East Ender here – We are proud, and we are strong. Believe it or not – friendly and respectful too. Toronto mafia use to bow down to Hammer.

Hamilton is a great place to raise children – how many do you have.

#80 bullwinkle on 11.04.20 at 7:33 pm

@#67 Will,

I was there as well. Hot summer night.

#81 Ace Goodheart on 11.04.20 at 7:35 pm

Looks like Trump’s options are becoming limited.

His big play, contesting a democratic win in Pennsylvania, is a bust. Biden doesn’t need Pennsylvania.

Biden won in Michigan by over 119,000 votes. Not likely to get disturbed on a recount.

At this point, it seems he is going to win Nevada (leading by over 8000 votes). That gives him the college.

And there is no other state, other than Michigan, where Trump would have any hope of a legal challenge to the final count.

I think Mr. Trumpster is toast.

Maybe he’s prepping the private jet for a hasty flight over to Russia to claim political asylum, before they arrest him for tax evasion?

#82 Sandra Harrison on 11.04.20 at 7:38 pm

This is not the exact same thing but I remember when I could make $1,000 interest income tax free. Well guess who changed that, Pierre Elliot Trudeau back in the 70’s. Yes, Justin Trudeau’s father. Liberals keeping it in the family.

The extra $300 to $350 new income taxes we had to pay every year was groceries for at least 7 to 8 weeks for our family of four back in the 70’s.

#83 bullwinkle on 11.04.20 at 7:41 pm

@#73 Wait There,

100% agree.

#84 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 7:41 pm

@#66 Sara
“Certain psychological mindsets (predominantly of the male gender) are particularly prone to it.”
+++

Well since the election results arent official yet I can still comment.

I noticed
LOTS of “Women for Trump” at the rallies with MAGA hats…… ratio seemed about 50/ 50 to me.
But 100% of the people were overweight.

#85 Stone on 11.04.20 at 7:48 pm

#75 Terry on 11.04.20 at 7:19 pm
Trump has still got this. Have “Faith” he will still win……..just wait for it!

———

Who’s Trump? See, I’ve already forgotten him. I hear there’s this new president coming in the US in January. His name is Biden. Seems like a moderate. I like that. Not like that loser who was there before him. What was his name? I just can’t remember.

#86 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 8:03 pm

I’m just curious.

If Trump has a recount of all the mailed in ballots and wins the election……
Will all you conspiracy-tards STFU?
You’ll all agree that the mail in ballots were sudden legit?
Jeezus

#87 John in Mtl on 11.04.20 at 8:03 pm


#15 Apocalypse2020 on 11.04.20 at 3:58 pm
#18 Apocalypse2020 on 11.04.20 at 4:04 pm

Hey, what happened to the global catastrophe scheduled for today?
Its almost midnight and… crickets!

#88 the Jaguar on 11.04.20 at 8:08 pm

WHOA, NELLY! Never turn your back on what appears to be a sure thing! Just arrived home from saving peoples asses all day to find the race has narrowed in the land of our American cousins. Whassup Cuz?

In fact I think these two posts might offer a clue:
#40 not 1st on 11.04.20 at 5:05 pm and #218 John Doe on 11.04.20 at 2:03 pm

In looking at the Electoral Map and the swath of blue on both the west (left) coast and the east (equally left coast), one can only wonder how the country will ever be united. It won’t matter who is President. The next few days and likely months ahead won’t be dull. When I hear the word ‘REVOLUTION!’, I reach for my pistola!

#89 Gulf Breeze on 11.04.20 at 8:15 pm

#51 Slow Decay,

“Half of Americans crying out, “WFT”.”

I can hear it now.”We’re f’g twits!” But how is that going to help their morale? They have to buck up and accept the tangerine Fuhrer is a loser. The majority have spoken and told him, “You’re fired!”

#90 Sail Away on 11.04.20 at 8:16 pm

#71 Faron on 11.04.20 at 7:05 pm

I’ll assume that a chunk of Trump voters hate his guts but have been enriched by him or are abortion nuts, so they get a pass in a sense. But, the fanboy apologists? WFT?

————

Wait For This!

#91 Apocalypse 2021 on 11.04.20 at 8:18 pm

Hello, sorry, no apocalypse today. No Apocalypse 2020. Oops.

It will now be Apocalypse 2021. January 20th to be exact.

Prepare!

#92 Wall on 11.04.20 at 8:19 pm

Hey Stone, Biden is a puppet for China and communists. US will be a world welfare basket case of the UN under Biden. Biden is useless now just as under Obama.

Obama and Biden’s higher poverty rates and job losses is their accomplishments.

#93 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 11.04.20 at 8:24 pm

It never snows in London. Some people should get the weather channel. Kelowna has an inversion for the winter months like a stove top lid of grey clouds for months on end. Sedate is fine for the seniors who climb into their 40 foot RV and winter in Palm Springs never even adding CBC to their favorites spacebar. That is the ideal Kelowna resident. We don’t kid around with depressents same goes for WFH.

#94 Jake on 11.04.20 at 8:28 pm

While the election suspense grips everyone’s attention, the US C19 cases surged today to 106,000 and currently almost 1200 deaths. Trump is leaving behind a mess just like Bush did for Obama.

#95 forgotmyusername on 11.04.20 at 8:53 pm

#73 Wait There on 11.04.20 at 7:17 pm

….Nikki Haley will be the first ELECTED female president in 4+ years. Count on it. She has the experience, and she carries herself well and she is part minority…..

————–

I agree, Nikki Haley is someone to watch. Possibly in 2024.

She is a former Gov. of South Carolina and a former US ambassador to the UN. I consider her accomplished, smart, strong and reasonable. High “likability” factor, unlike how Trump affects many!

Small correction. (Not that this stuff should matter, compared to simple merit.) She is not part minority.

Quoting Wikipedia:

“Haley was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa[6] to an Indian Punjabi American Sikh family at Bamberg County Hospital in Bamberg, South Carolina.[7][8] Her father, Ajit Singh Randhawa, and her mother, Raj Kaur Randhawa, immigrated to the United States from Amritsar District, Punjab, India.”

#96 tccontrarian on 11.04.20 at 9:03 pm

#31 Dolce Vita on 11.04.20 at 4:48 pm

CDN RONA UPDATE…

All Gov’s Canada COVID-19 Master Plan, 2nd Wave edition:
1. CONTINUE to put people & businesses out of work.
2. Give them $100’s of BILLIONS in compliance money.
3. All of the above in order to flatten the curve to keep ICUs below capacity.

Wouldn’t it have been CHEAPER in the 2nd EDITION to increase ICU and hospital bed capacity and let the young, that aren’t dying from COVID-19, keep working?
—————————————————————–

Dolce – you need to go back several months and re-read all of TurnerNation’s posts. Even if at 50% accuracy, it would explain the ‘why’s you don’t seem able to figure out.

I can help you out by saying one 4-letter word: FEAR

Salute – TCC

#97 Catalyst on 11.04.20 at 9:10 pm

Asking price is meaningless. The inside of the house matters not if you are planning to demo it and build new.

#98 Barb on 11.04.20 at 9:14 pm

So if it’s Biden, there goes the pipeline…Pfffft. Gone.

#99 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 9:28 pm

Well well well.
Political science major and Mayor of Vancouver Kenndey Stewart has declaed he’s “gob smaked”
The Van City Clowncil members that are everything to everyone (except taxpayers) have learned that instead of recieving $60 million dollars in Covid/handout aid from the Feds via the Province…..
They are getting $16 million…..
Clowncil members began talking about a 12 % increase in property taxes and cuts in city services…..
All this as City Hall spent $475,000 on upgrading furniture in City Hall AND gave their top managers juicy performance bonuses……

Property owners and taxpayers are less than impressed.

The Economic reality of Covid shutdowns and the dwindling Federal, Provincial and Municipal cash handouts begins……. tax revenue is tough to rely on when no one is working.

The plethora of rainbow sidewalks may look a bit faded over the next few years………..

#100 Paul on 11.04.20 at 9:32 pm

#71 Faron on 11.04.20 at 7:05 pm
#65 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:40 pm

This is a moral referendum and I believed that my countrymen would have been more decisive against the objective dumpster fire of the Trump presidency. Trump is losing by 3 million votes again, so the majority of voters want him gone.

________________

I think this is the true story. 3 million votes isn’t enough to declare a moral victory. That’s the same margin Clinton had and that was before many voters gave him the benefit of the doubt.

I have no problem acknowledging some of Trump’s accomplishments – but that a larger majority of American voters didn’t believe he is morally unfit (or that it can be overlooked for a greater purpose) and unworthy of the office still stuns me. The most damage has been to shatter all the unwritten conventions that has served the country well.

I am certain that he will lose and will leave office in January. But the election results were not good if you care for these sorts of things. Never bet against America. I still believe that but the election results are very troubling.

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 9:40 pm

Cullen Commission on Money Laundering in BC Casinos update # 318

BC Lottery Officials were uncertain how to deal with the provinces #1 gambler Gai Gow .
Numbers weren’t revealed as to how much he was gambling.
This VIP gambler had known connections with loan sharks and the Lottery decided to put him on “cash conditions” .
This was to limit him bringing large amounts of cash to the casinos
The gambler tried to take his business to other casinos but was flagged by BC Gaming officials and he eventually returned to R.R.casino where he cashed in unsourced chips from other casinos and immediately cashed out and then returned later with a certified cheque to continue gambling.

Eventually he was banned.

#102 TurnerNation on 11.04.20 at 9:48 pm

Gotta love the globalist’s playbook
Comrades it is confirmed! Profit is bad, you must not make so much money. It is not fair.
Exactly what I posted above: we have new debt to pay. Work hard tomorrow Comrades. Winter is coming.

A 300 square foot “smart” condo is enough for you.
Tell me at which point I should quit my job and paying taxes? Cost-benefit of living the post-national state.

https://archive.is/7ATOz

New Democratic Party Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will call for a new tax on wealthy Canadians and another on businesses that have profited excessively during the COVID-19 pandemic when it sets the topic of debate in the House of Commons on Thursday.
At a news conference today, Singh said workers, families and small businesses shouldn’t bear the burden of paying down the public debt incurred by the federal government to fund COVID-19 support measures.
“To pay for the programs, the help that people need … it should not be families, and people, and workers, and small businesses who have struggled,” Singh told reporters. “It should be those who have profited off the pandemic and the ultra-wealthy who contribute their fair share.”

The motion says revenue raised from the new taxes should be used to fund health care, housing and other social programs, such as a guaranteed livable income.

#103 Joseph R. on 11.04.20 at 9:55 pm

#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

“The president suggesting, without evidence…”

When you say something empirically wrong, don’t be surprised if a lot of smart people contradict you; they are not conspiring against you. you are simply wrong.

Why are you saying 100% of the mail-in ballot will be for Biden? You are the first person to say that. The media is only saying Biden is getting more mail-in votes than Trump.

You can’t call it election fraud simply because some people don’t vote Republican.

#104 Steve on 11.04.20 at 9:59 pm

The real question is what kind of problems will trump do between now and January 20th? Also, Can Biden pass anything with the senate in republican hands?
Are we looking at 2 months or 4 years of volatility?

#105 Felix on 11.04.20 at 10:07 pm

A mutt is a dogawfully poor substitute for a proper, actually useful weathervane on your roof. (And barely 1/10th as smart.)

#106 Sara on 11.04.20 at 10:16 pm

#84 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 7:41 pm
@#66 Sara
“Certain psychological mindsets (predominantly of the male gender) are particularly prone to it.”
+++

Well since the election results arent official yet I can still comment.

I noticed
LOTS of “Women for Trump” at the rallies with MAGA hats…… ratio seemed about 50/ 50 to me.
But 100% of the people were overweight
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To infer that that there is a 50/50 gender split of Trump “fan-boys” based on attendance at pro-Trump rallies would be flawed thinking.

#107 Faron on 11.04.20 at 10:29 pm

#84 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 7:41 pm

@#66 Sara
“Certain psychological mindsets (predominantly of the male gender) are particularly prone to it.”
+++

I noticed
LOTS of “Women for Trump” at the rallies with MAGA hats…… ratio seemed about 50/ 50 to me.
But 100% of the people were overweight.

Exit poll demographics:

Trump voters:

More white, more male (slightly), not young, fewer college degrees, much less gay, more married, vastly more evangelical/born-again, wealthier etc. No surprises.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

#108 Flop... on 11.04.20 at 10:36 pm

#51 SlowDecay on 11.04.20 at 6:00 pm

“Trump can’t shrug and walk off into the night given this bizarre, unprecedented, and still unexplained election pause that’s now making close to half of the American population cry out ‘WFT’ in unison?”

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We Fire Trump…

M46BC

#109 Flop... on 11.04.20 at 10:38 pm

Feeling more than a little left out this week.

One of only 3 people on this blog not eligible to vote in an American election…

M46BC

#110 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.04.20 at 10:44 pm

Sara’s

To infer that that there is a 50/50 gender split of Trump “fan-boys” based on attendance at pro-Trump rallies would be flawed thinking.”
+++++

Apologies.
I was wrong.
It appears Trumps’ female fan base wasnt 50% of voters….. ’twas 55%
Perhaps the 55% didnt all show up to the rally’s? 40%?
Were the rest busy baking Covid Cookies in the kitchen or handing out flyers at anti abortion rallys….?
Only Trumps’ strategists really know….

https://www.essence.com/news/politics/55-percent-white-women-trump-election-2020/

Either way.
One’s gender isn’t a “pass” on vapid, nationalistic, inane, political……stupidity…..

#111 AR on 11.04.20 at 10:46 pm

‘It’s different here’.

A whole thesis in shambles now.

It is different. Everywhere. ‍♀️

#112 Jacquie on 11.04.20 at 11:03 pm

Re: Curious how others feel about Barrie, Ont. on beautiful Kempenfelt Bay on crystal clean Lake Simcoe and how it compares to somewhere like Kelowna and Hamilton. Average home price seems to be $600,000. In a snow belt with lots of excellent hills and trails within 15 minutes. TO an hour away (on a good day). Barrie is a commuter town but that could change with the WFH phenomena. Thinking it’s a place that’s under-valued.

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I grew up in Barrie in the 80s and 90s. It was indeed a beautiful place to live for the reasons that you mentioned. However, it is now unfortunately a bedroom community for the GTA and I think that many who live there didn’t grow up there and it has lost its personality and essence as a city. It was better prior to the 1980s, it was more isolated but had more of its own identity and heritage back then.

#113 Crystia Anackel on 11.04.20 at 11:21 pm

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#114 cuke and tomato picker on 11.04.20 at 11:52 pm

Biden will win and everything will be fine after some conflict. Everybody is wanting peace and calm. Lets hope we get a vaccine for everybody soon. Trump will do some
damage between now and Jan.21st

#115 NSNG on 11.05.20 at 12:43 am

So what kind of election result would you expect from 2020?

Now all we need to do is get through the grand finale of Christmas of Annus Horribilis

#116 Jane24 on 11.05.20 at 1:32 am

How is it possible that people’s incomes can support these prices? Do buyers lie?

How is it possible that these houses can appraise? Does the bank not bother?

How is it possible that the buyers can obtain mortgages?

How can one insure that hoarder’s dump in the article? Without closing insurance you cannot close.

Questions need to be asked as fraud or incompetence on a grand scale is obviously going on in Canada with the blessings of financial services.

#117 Ronaldo on 11.05.20 at 3:21 am

#114 cuke and tomato picker on 11.04.20 at 11:52 pm
Biden will win and everything will be fine after some conflict. Everybody is wanting peace and calm. Lets hope we get a vaccine for everybody soon. Trump will do some
damage between now and Jan.21st
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What makes you think that everyone will want the vaccine?

#118 Diamond Dog on 11.05.20 at 4:47 am

#73 Wait There on 11.04.20 at 7:17 pm

I was thinking the same thing. The Dem’s needed to take over the senate to avoid gridlock. But wait… what’s that? Where’s that coming from? It’s… it’s… coming from a Democrat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ujEi545lc

…that old sweet song that keeps Georgia on my mind.

In the state of Georgia, if a contestant doesn’t get +50% of the votes, it goes to a run off. There are 2 senate seats up for election in Georgia and right now, you guessed it, Republicans are well behind on one seat with the other at 50.1% last I looked, but this number expected to dip below 50 meaning 2 runoffs for Senate seats in January. Couple this with Georgia potentially going majority vote for Biden and you have DRAMA!!!

Meanwhile, one leader sounded presidential and the other, a has-been on election night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTc2ujkMwyE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_EVofJd-Q8

Biden made a statement yesterday, while Trump took a pass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZELFJMY_I

#119 Where's My Money Going Greedeau? on 11.05.20 at 5:54 am

Re: #116 Jane24 on 11.05.20 at 1:32 am
How is it possible that people’s incomes can support these prices? Do buyers lie?

How is it possible that these houses can appraise? Does the bank not bother?

How is it possible that the buyers can obtain mortgages?

How can one insure that hoarder’s dump in the article? Without closing insurance you cannot close.

Questions need to be asked as fraud or incompetence on a grand scale is obviously going on in Canada with the blessings of financial services.
++++++++++++++++++++++
My questions exactly. Who is doing “Due Diligence”?
Is the gov’t involved in flipping in some way to set up these sky-high prices? How can they not?
Just by following BC’s Cullen Commission into money laundering it’s apparent that money laundering was allowed.
How much has been allowed to happen? From the commission they were saying bucket loads every day, at just one casino. BC has ~35 casinos, including the “Chances” casinos, which used to be Bingo parlours, but have slots and keno, on line betting, etc..(https://www.casinosavenue.com/en/casinos/searchByArea/british-columbia-bc/341?page=1)
Why was former BC Premier Gordon Campbell hired by Doug Ford in Ontario, just as the Great Canadian Casinos from BC were given the expansion ticket from Doug Ford?
This smells oh so obviously bad…..but good for the gov’t treasury, provincial and federal. So obviously bad for non money launderers.
Vancouver has the most supercars per capita than any other city in North America! At one time it was Florida and we know what happened there (watch the movies Scarface, American Made and Blow to re-acquaint yourselves). Just think of the luxury tax collected on those alone.
Who is on the take? Hopefully this Commission will get answers and mete out strict penalties for the guilty. And please no slap on the wrist for Gordon Campbell’s co-horts when BC Rail got given away to CN Rail.
It’s said that Campbell and, at the time, CN Rail CEO Hunter Harrison, were close college buddies. It’s funny that I can’t find any info on that and nothing like that came out at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Legislature_Raids
You also need to look Mr. Campbell’s history while BC Premier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Campbell
This is what you have coming in Ontario…..

#120 Wait There on 11.05.20 at 6:33 am

#95

To add to her credentials, she also has business experience. Her likability and trust factor is also high.
Biden will be one term as the country will not recover from TDS in the next 4 years.

If anyone thinks that Biden can bring the USA back together they are wrong. The country will remain as divided if not more and one side will not accept defeat for the next 4 years. They will feel it was stolen from them and never accept it because it was too close.
Division and dissonance remains in the USA.

#121 Oakville Rocks! on 11.05.20 at 6:57 am

Waiting for the election results is like watching Trump lose the presidency in slow motion while he and some of his fanboys lose their minds in real time.

Now we know how it feels for Putin while he waits for some poison to take affect.

America, keep on keepin on!

#122 drydock on 11.05.20 at 7:31 am

#121 Oakville Rocks! on 11.05.20 at 6:57 am

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Which America?

#123 Dr talc on 11.05.20 at 7:39 am

Music of the Hammer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnT0MzU5do

#124 mj on 11.05.20 at 8:25 am

5 years fixed mortgage just went down to 1.38, I wouldn’t be surprised to see next year a 5 years special for 0.99 if things don’t get better.

#125 jess on 11.05.20 at 8:41 am

newspaper mafia?

“Half-a-million Australians have spoken. They’ve smashed the records to make their voice heard: Australia needs a #MurdochRoyalCommission to protect the lifeblood of our democracy,” he said in a tweet.
The petition will likely be presented to Australia’s House of Representatives, but lawmakers are not obligated to act on it.
Rudd has been outspoken about what he considers the toxic influence of Murdoch’s media properties. He has called the billionaire’s news empire a “cancer on democracy” in the United States, United Kingdom and Australia, and likened the organization to the mafia in an interview with CNN chief media correspondent Brian Stelter in May.
“To call the Murdoch media empire a journalistic organization committed to bringing you fair and balanced news coverage around the world these days has become a joke,” Rudd said.

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nevada

Jo Jorgensen
Libertarian Party
0.9%
10,852
None of these candidates
No Party Designation
0.9%
10,391

#126 jess on 11.05.20 at 8:54 am

white sub. voters ?

The Trump Administration’s Highly- Politicized Roll Back of Obama-Era Fair Housing Rule Raises Concerns
In what appears to be an appeal to white suburban voters, an Obama-era rule meant to hold communities accountable for providing fair housing is no more

who really ruins housing ?
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/04/jared-kushner-real-estate-company-evictions/
Maryland attorney general sues Kushner-owned company …
http://www.washingtonpost.com › md-politics › 2019/10/23
Oct 23, 2019 — … in “unfair or deceptive” practices at 17 properties, the lawsuit alleges. … of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner over housing conditions.
They Feared Low-Income Housing Would Ruin Their Suburb. It Didn’t.
https://lenexweb.com/residents-feared-low-income-housing-would-ruin-their-suburb-it-didnt/
President Trump told voters that affordable housing would hurt property values and increase crime. One Wisconsin community challenges those assumptions.
The president stokes fears about low-income apartments, but NIMBY homeowners don’t need his help.
September 9, 2020
Trump Plays on Racist Fears of Terrorized Suburbs to Court …
http://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
Sep 3, 2020 — “Your housing prices will go up based on the market, and crime will go down,” … White suburban voters, particularly women, were key to his victory in 2016 … told Mr. Trump to try to convince a skeptical nation that he has been effective in … “There will be no more low-income housing forced into the suburbs.
Lawsuits by Mr. Pinkerton and the Justice Department, which argued that the city violated the Fair Housing Act by denying dwellings based on the race of prospective tenants, led to its eventual construction.

#127 TurnerNation on 11.05.20 at 9:20 am

Keep an eye on your feed supply. Now it’s Minks first. Later it will be cows, pigs, even household pets
(How long until our “Top Doctors” order all housepets shaved bare to “prevent the spread of the novel CV”. And people will do it and to social media. Cult)

Last year I wondered who paid for the ‘go vegan’ ads blanketing transit stations and even wraps around busses, streetcars ? The rise in “plant based” meat which, it has been pointed out. DOES not always mean that it’s made of real plants; no, synthisized lab proteins if what you are eating. Gunk.

Remember the global goal is control over our breeding, feeding and movements.

This is BS of course but it’s a trial run to get is used to it.:
“Denmark to cull up to 17M minks after coronavirus mutation spreads to humans
Global News
20 hours ago
Minks spreading coronavirus to humans more often than thought
Danish authorities say new research suggests need to cull all the mink on its 1200 farms.
National Geographic
2 hours ago

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As predicted on on here years ago:

#49 TurnerNation on 09.10.19 at 8:54 pm
(I beleive in my lifetime good foodstuffs will be trashed as armed men look on and people are starving. Maybe the correct karbon permit was not applied for, or the WHO claims dread disease and we comply. Trees have more rights than yourself.)

….
#102 TurnerNation on 02.01.20 at 11:17 am
Well folks I’ve been suggesting to Watchout, that 2020-2021 they will be ramping up world chaos like crazy.

I called this pandemic it’s just a great system of control for our elites With the stroke of a pen…:

By the dawn’s early light — Greater Fool – Authored by Garth …
Oct 4, 2019 – I’ve said it many time, we will see soon armed government men destroying perfectly good foodstuffs. We’ll be told it;s a WHO directive to keep …


Dec 1, 2019 – I always said a day will come here whereby armed government men destroy foodstuffs or kick people out of perfectly good homes. Maybe they …

#128 cramar on 11.05.20 at 9:24 am

And don’t forget … Windsor!

I know this is a few weeks old, but the trend continues:

Windsor’s housing market is the hottest in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-realestate-housing-increase-royallepage-1.5762506

“Prices up 17 per cent this quarter, but still below the national average”

“The new Royal LePage Housing Price Survey shows the average home price for any type of housing in Canada sits at about $692,000. Although Windsor is far below that at an average of $325,000 across all types of housing, experts say the city is growing fast.”

Personally, I wouldn’t live there. Some sections are good like any other city, but it’s after all…a big city. Yet 30 minutes to the south is Canada’s sunbelt. Living is good! Just try to get in place in Kingsville. Hah!

#129 Penny Henny on 11.05.20 at 9:33 am

#88 the Jaguar on 11.04.20 at 8:08 pm
WHOA, NELLY! Never turn your back on what appears to be a sure thing! Just arrived home from saving peoples asses all day to find the race has narrowed in the land of our American cousins. Whassup Cuz?
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Jag I always thought you were retired but now I know you are not. Just wise beyond your years.

What kind of work do you do?

#130 Greg Santos on 11.05.20 at 9:42 am

mj, I would not be surprised many much more people living on government benefits, going to the food bank, living more in poverty years after the corona virus. Trudeau, Freeland and whoever else they use as future finance minister are the poverty makers not poverty breakers.

#131 Dharma Bum on 11.05.20 at 9:55 am

98 Tragina Avenue

Classically appropriate name!

Too funny.

I had a girlfriend once who I eventually gave the same name to.

Perfect street name for Canada’s mistake by the lake.

#132 Quintilian on 11.05.20 at 10:02 am

It’s a bubble, driven by the madness of the crowd.
Expecting the RE market to behave rationally is irrational.

#133 Dharma Bum on 11.05.20 at 10:06 am

#67 will

I saw Pink Floyd do Dark Side of the Moon at Ivor Wynn Stadium. Fond memory of Hamilton. Man that’s a long time ago.
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I saw Bob Dylan there. It was in the late 90’s, I think. His voice was toast. The lyrics were incomprehensible and the rhythms were off. I’ve seen him multiple times over the decades. That was his worst performance ever. I think it was something in the Hamilton air.

Filth.

#134 TurnerNation on 11.05.20 at 10:12 am

You own nothing. Get off the Crown land when they tell you serf. Yes armed government men can come and kick you off your land.
This is intensifying as the Crown Bankers are using the Crown Virus to take back Crown Land.

https://cottagelife.com/general/haliburton-county-considers-regulations-for-seasonal-cottages/

Haliburton County exploring regulation that could prevent cottagers from converting a seasonal cottage to permanent residence

#135 Mattl on 11.05.20 at 10:22 am

#62 april on 11.04.20 at 6:33 pm
If Ross Kay is anyone to go by, home sales and prices are not up anywhere near what is being pumped out by that sleepy industry. They pull listings from the last week of previous month, Sept, and add them to the next month, Oct, to inflate the numbers and hide the decline. The will pull numbers from the end of Oct and add them to November numbers and brag about the increase in Nov sales. Ross Kay, Nov 3. Howestreet.com. The real estate industry deception knows no end.

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“If Ross Kay is anyone to go by” has been answered soundly the past 12 years. Guy has been consistently wrong on RE. So he’s reaching to try and explain why his prediction that RE would tumble has been wrong YOY forever.

I will say this – Ross will be right at some point on RE, in the same way that the Dow 30K guy will be right as well.

You shill for him here each week, that’s takes some serious commitment to the cause. You guys must have a big celebration planned, for when in year 18 of his prediction it finally comes true. Take that RE bulls!

#136 Bill on 11.05.20 at 10:24 am

Alberta faces the possibility of Keystone XL cancellation as Biden eyes White House.
And bad for Alberta so congrates Biden supporters.
https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/alberta-faces-the-possibility-of-keystone-xl-cancellation-as-biden-eyes-the-white-house

#137 Sail Away on 11.05.20 at 10:25 am

#129 Penny Henny on 11.05.20 at 9:33 am
#88 the Jaguar on 11.04.20 at 8:08 pm

WHOA, NELLY! Never turn your back on what appears to be a sure thing! Just arrived home from saving peoples asses all day to find the race has narrowed in the land of our American cousins. Whassup Cuz?

————–

Jag I always thought you were retired but now I know you are not. Just wise beyond your years.

What kind of work do you do?

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Jag’s comment holds the clue: Fitness Coach. Saving people’s asses all day long.

Tights are a privilege, not a right!

#138 willworkforpickles on 11.05.20 at 10:29 am

Trump supporters want a vote count halt and independent re-examination and recount of mail-in ballots in Michigan and Arizona. Pennsylvania is heating up also.
They get it or they revolt. If Biden loses, the other side revolts.
It isn’t guesswork anymore. Civil unrest is coming…just how extreme is anybody’s guess.

#139 NoName on 11.05.20 at 10:30 am

#123 Dr talc on 11.05.20 at 7:39 am
Music of the Hammer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnT0MzU5do

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hammer…

dude at a place I worked at, had recording studio in his house, studio walls were covered with pictures of artists
that recorderd some of theirs hits there.

and dude around corner where I live makes coustom hand made suits, and shortens my wifis dresses and yoga pants have also made suits for some celebrats one of those was making fun of trupm last few yrs steady…

#140 Crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.05.20 at 10:31 am

@#129 Penny Envy

Obviously The Jag is a credit councilor. He saves people from themselves

#141 Sail Away on 11.05.20 at 10:36 am

I must admit, if Biden does win, it could simplify my life, since family is family, and as a dual citizen, it can cause friction when people start by criticizing Trump, then proceed to full-blown unfounded or untrue criticism of the US. Cousin Donnie may not be our brightest star but that does not give license to fabricate crap and rip down the whole family.

Europeans are the worst for this. Running a close second are simpering apologist ex-pat Americans. Jackasses.

#142 TurnerNation on 11.05.20 at 10:40 am

#99 crowdedelevatorfartz as I’ve been saying look around and what you see is what you get.
No new infrastructure only urban decay, drug addicts filling the streets will be coming.
All new spending will go to UN sinkholes and to drug addicts, homeless and UBI and ‘equality’ (aka communism)
This is the end of our way of life as we knew it. They h8 our way of life of course. They told us people overseas did so, but flip that statement 180deg….they played us hard.

#143 Alex M on 11.05.20 at 10:51 am

garth, your insights on US politics aren’t your strong-suit. the stock market does NOT know how an election like this will go. investors do NOT have secret insights into how a country will vote. investors are people relying on general news that is accessible to everyone.

Now, that’s funny. – Garth

#144 TurnerNation on 11.05.20 at 11:03 am

So…how’s the election counting going? Lots of chaos and allegations over voter accuracy. Well guess what. All planned and they have a solution.
Digital ID.
Yep Microsoft is the main partner on this site. Why Gill Bates sold us so had earlier this year.
Gentlemen your prisoner ID awaits, in this open air kamp. Your Cov-ID pass will be linked to this too.
That’s why BLOCKCHAIN – which we use for exactly nothing – was invented. Cell block chain.

Did you think our global elites are playing around? No this is the final war, WW3. The War to End all Wars (hey they told us that in WW1. Reverse that statement to make sense…)

https://id2020.org/#

For the one in seven people globally who lacks a means to prove their identity, digital ID offers access to vital social services and enables them to exercise their rights as citizens and voters and participate in the modern economy. But doing digital ID right means protecting civil liberties and putting control over personal data back where it belongs…in the hands of the individual.

#145 calgary rip off on 11.05.20 at 11:11 am

Good information. This life and this Earth is a probationary state. Like prison.

I focus on Wim Hof. Cold showers and breathing exercises can be done anywhere at any time. And Canada is perfect for iceman exercises.

Ive won the lottery by acquiring the iceman training exercises.

I can practice Tummo breathing anywhere and be submerged in cold easily in Canada. The Tibetan dudes meditating got it correct.

Vitamin D3 has shown to save lives at a French Nursing home:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S026156141832449X

#146 calgary rip off on 11.05.20 at 11:19 am

corrected link for D3 at nursing home in France.
D3=Covid survival

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096007602030296X

#147 Mark Saunton on 11.05.20 at 11:51 am

Oh mj, my long term government bonds churning them like butter makes me 15%+ returns every time they bring down rates. I guess I have to make more money again.

Pay a 1% mortgage rate and $1.5 million for a shack in Toronto, GTA, Victoria, Vancouver etc. and paying $15,000 to $20,000 a year in property taxes.

#148 Tom Saunders on 11.05.20 at 12:04 pm

When are the democommunists going to change the national anthem to the land of the free worthless money and the land of the slaves behaved. Remember in the movie UHF, there’s a guy would say your so stupid.

#149 YVR Expat on 11.05.20 at 12:07 pm

#72 Timmy on 11.04.20 at 7:06 pm
Re #11 Mike in Edm on

Yes, they are turning the Suncor jobs down because they don’t want to live in Calgary. Is this surprising? There is a reason prices are low there…

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I’d go in a heart-beat, Calgary is close to some of the best ski resorts in the world. Heading west on the TransCanada highway you will hit Banff, Lake Louise, Kicking Horse and Revelstoke – all within a few hours of each other. Paradise. Nothing in Canada compares to this.

#150 Doug in overpriced London, PI 16 on 11.05.20 at 12:07 pm

When you see a pile of junk place like that selling for 420 grand, how could what’s been going on not be a bubble? You’d be much better off putting that money into what’s actually been on sale like REITs, pipelines, oil companies, and telecom stocks. You should have acted before now, because stock markets are up the last few days and while there are still bargains out there, the DIRT CHEAP bargains may be in the rear view mirror. So, where’s this mayhem in the markets that the “experts” predicted would occur? Oops, that’s old news from March of this year, also in the rear view mirror.

#151 whiplash on 11.05.20 at 12:12 pm

#136 calgary rip off
corrected link for D3 at nursing home in France
D3=Covid survival

Six months ago my mother-in-law, she’s 84, started to supplement in addition to her regular vitamin, 1,000 I.U D3, 250 mg. vitamin C four times a day, and increased her intake of vitamin A in the form of spinach, carrot juice, kale protein smoothies. Tested positive for Covid 12 days ago, thanks to the granddaughter, very mild sore throat and a bit tired. Other than that she is fine.

#152 Penny Henny on 11.05.20 at 12:15 pm

Meanwhile in Niagara region.
“It’s evident the Niagara Region remains at the top of the list for Home Buyers.. Looking year over
year the number of new listings is down only 1.2% however the number of sales are up 39.5%,
moving the Homes Price Index up 18% and the Average Days on Market down 36.2 %. Clearly this is
the place to be!” Said Terri McCallum, President of The Niagara Association of REALTORS®.

https://www.niagararealtor.ca/sites/default/files/files/October%202020%20Stats%20Package.pdf

#153 Apocalypse2020 on 11.05.20 at 12:18 pm

#138 willworkforpickles

‘Trump supporters want a vote count halt and independent re-examination and recount of mail-in ballots in Michigan and Arizona. Pennsylvania is heating up also. They get it or they revolt. If Biden loses, the other side revolts. It isn’t guesswork anymore. Civil unrest is coming…just how extreme is anybody’s guess.’

You said it. Accurately. The unknown, yet highly probable, elements here are extraordinarily explosive. A CBC radio reporter in Phoenix just reported he fully expects severe violence shortly based on what he has experienced the last 24 hours. (David Common, CBC Radio)

This demand to ‘sequester’ and then eliminate Biden mail ballots is a ticking time bomb.

Then the chaos begins.

Global Catastrophe is next.

Hours. Days.

No longer months.

PREPARE

#154 Tony Santolin on 11.05.20 at 12:19 pm

TurnerNation, what are you going to do about it. It seems to me you like all this carp because you are a troll for them putting in people’s heads that we have no choice and accept it.

It seems to me that these elites or whoever like doing this stuff, control freaks are sore losers like the monopoly player that throws up the game and says if I can’t win nobody can. It is time to be like the tree. Don’t go to work, don’t pay taxes, don’t do anything so there is nobody left to play their rigged game.

#155 KLNR on 11.05.20 at 12:23 pm

team trump really squirming now.
quite an embarrassing display.

#156 Bill on 11.05.20 at 12:49 pm

#143 Alex M on 11.05.20 at 10:51 am
garth, your insights on US politics aren’t your strong-suit. the stock market does NOT know how an election like this will go. investors do NOT have secret insights into how a country will vote. investors is a are people relying on general news that is accessible to everyone.

Now, that’s funny. – Garth
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I don’t always agree with Garth BUT the stock market is a discount mechanism. As a collective it somehow sees months into the future already discounting what you or any other singularity cant see.
If one doest not understand this you will desroy yourself.
Case in the in point a buddy and the smartest guy i know is banckrupt now. I let him stay in my penthouse condo for $300 for the next couple months to help him out. I have a lineup for it at $2k mth. A casualty of trying too outwit the market.
When news comes out its new for you old for the market.
Everyone piled into weed stocks at the top they crashed.
I just bought VFF.TO as its been crushed and no ones talking about them these days means rally time. Up 11.5 this am.
Listen to Garth on that one.

#157 RVSSIAN on 11.05.20 at 12:51 pm

Trdeau has built c0ncentration camps. He is going to send sub8-men and incels under the pretext of C0VID.

Canadian men you better get out while you can. I’ve heard that in Toronto, there are plans to arrest men for being accused of mis0gyny, so that they can be extrminated in these camps.

RUN!!!!!

#158 FriedEggs on 11.05.20 at 12:52 pm

How much in price have the lots gone up yoy at 1492 Land Back Lane in Caledonia?

#159 jess on 11.05.20 at 12:56 pm

from 5 /30 eight :

..”This press conference is odd, Clare, but it’s nothing new for the Trump administration. We’ve been writing about false claims of voter fraud coming out of the Trump team since before he was elected and it seems to be what they are swinging back to now. Back in 2016, on the campaign trail, Trump was peddling a discredited research paper from Old Dominion University to claim that there was widespread voter registration by non citizens and undocumented immigrants. Later, the president set up a voter fraud commission that attempted to prove fraud by merging voter registration information from around the country in a plan that would have almost certainly been filled with data error, had states gone along with it. That commission was headed up by Kris Kobach, who basically spent his entire career making allegations of widespread voter fraud that — despite actively and aggressively seeking out and prosecuting cases — he has been unable to prove. In the big picture, experts agree that voter fraud is very rare, and usually the result of mistakes or poorly informed voters, not intentional malevolence.

Also, dead voters are definitely a thing that has come up in claims like this before. Kobach, for example, staged a whole press conference around the claim of dead voters in Kansas in 2010. He cited the case of Albert K. Brewer, a dead man who was still voting, as an example. But the Topeka Capital-Journal found that Brewer was alive. Kobach’s staff had confused him with his father, also named Albert Brewer but with a different middle initial. The elder Brewer had indeed died, in 1996, on his son’s birthday.

The Tangled Story Behind Trump’s False Claims Of Voter Fraud

By Maggie Koerth

Filed under Scientific Method

Published May 11, 2017

#160 KLNR on 11.05.20 at 1:09 pm

Biden has won more votes than any presidential candidate in history, still counting.

#161 Also in Cowtown on 11.05.20 at 1:14 pm

#149 YVR Expat on 11.05.20 at 12:07 pm
#72 Timmy on 11.04.20 at 7:06 pm
Re #11 Mike in Edm on

Yes, they are turning the Suncor jobs down because they don’t want to live in Calgary. Is this surprising? There is a reason prices are low there…

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I’d go in a heart-beat, Calgary is close to some of the best ski resorts in the world. Heading west on the TransCanada highway you will hit Banff, Lake Louise, Kicking Horse and Revelstoke – all within a few hours of each other. Paradise. Nothing in Canada compares to this.

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Shhhh …. We would rather they stay in TO.

#162 Faron on 11.05.20 at 1:19 pm

#151 whiplash on 11.05.20 at 12:12 pm

#136 calgary rip off

Six months ago my mother-in-law, she’s 84, started to supplement in addition to her regular vitamin, 1,000 I.U D3, 250 mg. vitamin C four times a day, and increased her intake of vitamin A

Please be very careful with the fat soluble vitamins A and D. They are not flushed out of the system as quickly as water solubles and can build up in fatty tissues. Especially A. Too much can be a very bad thing:

“Acute retinoid toxicity has resulted in mucocutaneous and laboratory abnormalities. Mucocutaneous effects include dry lips, cheilitis, and dry oral, ophthalmic, and nasal mucosa. The putative mechanism is decreased sebum production, reduced epidermal thickness, and altered barrier function. Other cutaneous effects seen include overall skin dryness and pruritus, peeling of palms and soles, and fingertip fissuring. Telogen effluvium may be seen with higher doses.”

“Long-term consumption of high levels of dietary vitamin A may stimulate bone resorption and inhibit formation, contributing to osteoporosis and hip fractures”

“Central nervous system effects include headache, nausea, and vomiting.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK532916/

Or read “Mawson’s Will” about an antarctic expedition in which an accident happened, to prevent starvation they ate the dogs’ livers where high concentrations of Vitamin A are stored, and subsequently all but one perished because of the effects.

#163 Faron on 11.05.20 at 1:22 pm

#149 YVR Expat on 11.05.20 at 12:07 pm

#72 Timmy on 11.04.20 at 7:06 pm
Re #11 Mike in Edm on

I’d go in a heart-beat, Calgary is close to some of the best ski resorts in the world. Heading west on the TransCanada highway you will hit Banff, Lake Louise, Kicking Horse and Revelstoke – all within a few hours of each other. Paradise. Nothing in Canada compares to this.

Don’t forget K-country. About 45 mins from town. Excellent powder skiing in late winter.

#164 Charity on 11.05.20 at 1:43 pm

Apocalypse 2020
Why don’t you go hide in your root cellar and disappear, when the coast is clear we will send you a message.
#nutbarsgottago
#misssmokey

Mab50

#165 jess on 11.05.20 at 1:44 pm

Trump would like that!

Russian MPs consider lifetime immunity for former presidents
Second bill in a week prompts talk of whether Putin could be preparing for retirement(guardian )

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Cyprus’ golden passport industry
https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/13221-cyprus-to-revoke-seven-golden-passports

misappropriation/Breach of trust, Money laundering, fraud,forgery and counterfeiting and leading an organized criminal group

The Cyprus Papers is a leak of more than 1,400 passport applications approved by the government of the island nation between 2017 and 2019, and it raises serious questions about the Cyprus Investment Programme.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/23/exclusive-cyprus-sold-passports-to-criminals-and-fugitives

https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Notices/View-Red-Notices#2018-57775

#166 whiplash on 11.05.20 at 1:47 pm

#162 Faron

#136 calgary rip off
#151 whiplash

Thx for the heads up, shouldn’t be a problem with Vitamin A smoothie is a small handful, spinach, kale, 3-4 oz. carrot juice with unsweetened almond milk/plant based protein. Will keep an eye on the D3.

#167 Ustabe on 11.05.20 at 1:48 pm

#160 KLNR on 11.05.20 at 1:09 pm

Biden has won more votes than any presidential candidate in history, still counting.

Yes, his current count eclipses that of Obama’s and that one eclipsed Trump’s count when he was first elected.

So it is Biden, Obama, Trump for first, second and third place in votes count.

I’d love to be in the room when that stat is presented to Donald.

#168 Steven Rowlandson on 11.05.20 at 6:24 pm

Selling that house as is for $420,000 is over the top and that is being nice about it. In truth though considering its condition, size and unknowns I would recommend a 95% discount to allow for common sense ,repair and cleanup costs.

#169 jess on 11.05.20 at 6:46 pm

data targets

https://www.i-360.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/i360005_DataDictionary_RabbitEars_Round5.pdf

At that time, the i360 platform said its database had information on 199 million voters from all 50 states; information on 290 million consumers with 700+ data points; information on precinct election returns as well as data from the Census, NOAA, the Bureau of Labor Statistics and geo-spatial data; individual sentiment information on candidates and issues from its social media operations; and information from its grassroots groups (read Americans for Prosperity) and paid door-to-door knockers who are using a sophisticated hand-held device to update the database in real time in the pivotal weeks before an election.”

Koch Data Mining Company Helped Inundate Voters With Anti-Immigrant Messages
In the Tennessee Senate race, then-Rep. Marsha Blackburn ran targeted ads on immigration. She beat Phil Bredesen, a Democrat, who led the polls for months.
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/09/koch-anti-immigrant-data-i360/

#170 Frank Batista on 11.05.20 at 7:22 pm

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#171 William R Drury on 11.05.20 at 7:59 pm

Intersting you note the votes. How does an election have 104% voter turn out in 10 states? Ps this is an average.
Regards
Bob Drury