Virus porn

Mr. Market wavered a little this week as the virus misbehaved. That silver-bullet vaccine has yet to surface. Europe’s going into lockdown again. You can’t eat inside a Toronto restaurant anymore. A majority of US states have rising infections. And the American president says after being exposed and sick he’s now immune, so whazza problem?

It’s month eight. We may be backsliding. This was not the plan. Winter’s coming. Anxious people this week besieged Ontario drugstores looking for a flu shot. Officials fret supplies will empty before everyone’s been poked.

Inside Canada’s only bubble, the Atlantic provinces were feeling smug and virus-free. Then on Wednesday Westjet said it’s pulling out of the region. A hundred flights a week – all pffft. Bubbles apparently have consequences. It raises the question of risk. Is trying to have zero cases of Covid worth chewing up your economy? Is there not risk in everything? Aren’t leaders elected to find a balance? How much has C-19 messed up our heads?

It gets worse.

In the past 24 hours I’ve been sent the same message multiple times. Ted, in Calgary, tipped me off first. “This is the kind of lunatic stuff being circulated among some evangelical church goers out here in the Bible belt,” he told me, after receiving it from religious relations. I asked him to investigate. He later responded: “Sounds like someone is trying to get people exercised by sowing fears and to take advantage of good people of faith.  Be wary of false prophets having no fixed address!”

Then Henry Makow got into the act, a renowned Winnipeg-based weirdo the mainstream media has labelled, “a prominent anti-Semite and conspiracy theorist.” “This leak from the inner circles of the Canadian government confirms all of our worst fears,” his email yelled. “Bizarrely they offer to forgive all debts in exchange for forfeiting all property?”

What this about?

A well-crafted piece of misinformation purporting to come from a Vancouver-based, “committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada,” who decided to blow the whistle on plans coming out of the PMO because, “it’s going to place Canadians into a dark future.”

The message is bizarre. But the ground this falls upon may be fertile. Let’s hope not.

The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:
– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
– Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
– Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
– Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
– Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
– Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
– Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

As if that were not enough. This twaddle also states plans for a debt jubilee to stave off economic collapse but only if citizens renounce ownership of their properties and assets and agree to new rounds of vaccinations (seriously). The IMF would administer this under a World Debt Reset program.

Says the supposedly-leaked Liberal information: “The ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.”

There’s more. You get the drift. This speaks to the world we inhabit, where right-wing QAnon belief (celebrities and Democrats traffic in human children which are eaten for life-extending chemicals) is tolerated by the American president. It’s the worst of social media, taking advantage of the higher emotions and lower standards brought on by a global pandemic.

Now, why did I just infect you with all of this virus porn?

Because it’s over. You’re now immune!

The chopper is waiting.

205 comments ↓

#1 BlogDog123 on 10.15.20 at 10:33 am

Thanks for my morning laugh…
Now to put on my tinfoil hat and spread falsehoods through Facebook…

#2 BillyBob on 10.15.20 at 10:34 am

Superlative post Garth, perfectly fitting to the times with it’s total bizarre-ness.

The US is not the only one with it’s share of wingnuts and simpletons. Q-Anon Lite, that’s Canada.

#3 Nosferatu on 10.15.20 at 10:34 am

Get to the Choppa! Do it Now!!

#4 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 10:40 am

I Thought I was reading a Turner Nation press release…….

#5 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.15.20 at 10:42 am

Any comments on this:

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-ZL-105-38463

Service Provider(s) for Federal Quarantine / Isolation sites (6D112-202772/A)

#6 belly rubs on 10.15.20 at 10:43 am

Thank Zeus we have Dr. Bonny in BC. No mask mandate. No lock downs. Just sane, rational leadership, resulting in a manageble workload. I just had a cleaning at the dentist. A sane, rational, cleaning.

In other news, 20lbs of apples for $10.
50lbs of spuds for $15. Locally grown.

#7 Dan on 10.15.20 at 10:49 am

This is goood! Great morning laugh!
If I may ask – what is the range for that chopper, it may not be able to get you far enough. :-D

#8 Fortvna on 10.15.20 at 10:55 am

We need to just let this virus rip through. Those of us who have underlying health conditions or are immuno-compromised would perhaps do well to limit contact etc. while the otherwise healthy should continue to take sensible precautions – wear a mask, wash your hands, try not to get too close unnecessarily. There is no other way forward. How can we be letting the heightened risk to a segment of the population dictate all of the policy decisions?

I’m in Toronto and while I make a decent salary (for now) I’m trying to sell my sfh in order to get myself out of some debt and prepare for what is sure to be years of economic downturn. No bites though. It’s all so disheartening.

#9 Lefty on 10.15.20 at 10:56 am

Thanks for the laugh. The UBI will be funded of course by BitCoin-backed MMT.

#10 Petulant on 10.15.20 at 10:59 am

Good Morning Garth, good to see you up and at’em this early. Must have been something important to share with the class.

While I share your disdain for the spread of misinformation – I think you’ve missing a key element in all of this my friend. From every side of every econ0-politial scale there is a growing anger at the “center” of society. The NDP no longer represent “the left” – they are too rational. The Conservative no longer represent “the right” they are too rational.

What we have been witnessing since the tech bubble crash of 2000 has been a slow motion collapse of our culture and economic levers. Poverty is rampant and spreading. Desperation is beginning to infiltrate the lower middle class now. COVID, or not, which of the western world empires are in good shape? To think COVID has not been used (at the very least) to drastically shift cultural norms and expectations moving into our inevitable social collapse is rather silly.

Who do we join now? The National Socialists? The Bolsheviks? The Jacobins? The American Continentals?

I bring up history because its relevant to what’s going on right now. We are at a turning point – let’s understand where we are going and how we got here. We need some sane grounding at the moment – and central powers need to let go. If they don’t let it happen peacefully…we all know how it is going to go.

#11 IHCTD9 on 10.15.20 at 11:01 am

This goes back to what Ace G mentioned the other day. Use your head, not your heart when absorbing information. Don’t just flip out taking it in like its fact. Emails like these get the instant delete treatment here at the bunker complex.

Really – it goes past Ace’s suggestion to a Philosophical question. Who decides your emotional state – you, or someone else? Are you the master of you? Are you actually a tool?

“No man is free who is not master of himself.”

“It’s not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters.”

-Epictetus

“For what is a man, what has he got
If not himself then he has not
To say all the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels”

-F Sinatra

#12 dosouth on 10.15.20 at 11:11 am

Yep, think that this is a laugh? Garth you have it right. The more this crap is spread the more it becomes “truth”. How does anyone think people like Trump have gotten elected. If it is written it must be true…and the religious zealots carry a lot of clout.

You cannot say you didn’t warn the masses but here’s hoping there are still independent thinkers out there, including questioning safety protocols or restrictions when there are no empirical stats to back it up.

But then again if I have you at empirical then you have already stopped living your life and started to look for an Isolation Facility that will fit your needs…(tongue planted firmly in cheek)

#13 AM in MN on 10.15.20 at 11:11 am

I think this was cut and pasted by someone in their basement from something they found on a US web-site.

No doubt going to be some issues when the debt bubble bursts, but nothing a few more rounds of money printing can’t handle.

The Canadian Military would have a hard time blocking all of the roads around each of their bases, let alone a city.

If you do nothing and let everyone make up their own minds about Covid, you would end up like Sweden.

With social media it is easy and cheap to spread whatever you want, but I don’t buy that very many people take it seriously. It only takes one line of the list to make everyone realize that it’s nonsense.

#14 belly rubs on 10.15.20 at 11:15 am

“The chopper is waiting.”

I actually have a helipad. It’s for forestry use in wildfire season. It’s a big backyard. You can see the site from 100kms up on google earth. Canada is soooo vast, I am always amazed most people concentrate in the run down parts. The other day I forgot where I parked my truck and walked around for twenty minutes before I found it. Thankfully, the keys were in it.

#15 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 11:17 am

Remember all, no more News exists only Predictive Programming…a long cold Winter Comrades. To your health.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2020/10/14/1_5144336.html

Other regions in Ontario may revert to modified Stage 2, top official suggests

#16 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 11:21 am

@#5 Bytor

I’m sure SNC Lavalin would be more than willing to bid on another federal contract.
Jody Wilson Raybould not withstanding.

#17 Jay on 10.15.20 at 11:36 am

The other side of the social media war on common sense is just as hilarious.

Remember articles passed around explaining what exponential growth is and how the entire planet will be infected by July? Over the top modelling scenarios which never even came close to the lowest estimate? Photos of people falling over dead in the streets in China? Wearhouses of coffins in Italy? Mass Graves in New York?

Conspiracy theories on how the government will take away all our freedom vs a mask cult trying to force everyone to be just as afraid as they are and keep the fear going. The MSM is just as guilty as these ridiculous people on the internet.

The only thing that’s growing exponentially is the smugness of the armchair doctors who believe they know more than everyone else.

#18 IHCTD9 on 10.15.20 at 11:36 am

#120 Ron the Elder on 10.15.20 at 9:17 am
What we have here is the great Retiree Migration of 2020. Millions of old Canadians cashing out of cities for a variety of reasons, and moving to smaller towns and villages.

Arguably, this is the final economic gesture by the “Bulge in the Snake” aka “Baby Boomers”

The towns and villages will receive a short term boost that will hyper inflate the local property values. Then …. one by one the migrants will depart for the big festival in the sky, and property values will flatline, before drifting south.
___

Yep – lots of metro blue hairs heading out into the sticks.

But, so are metro young couples. Raising a family in places like Toronto is akin to punching yourself in the face repeatedly.

One thing is for sure, there’s never been more kids running around our little podunk. I don’t see an issue with small town RE values. Here, a couple can buy a decent sfd on an acre for 350K, and a 100K HHI for a couple is not reaching for the impossible. That’ll always be in demand, and I hope it stays like this.

I expect even some future kids who find themselves trapped in the big Metros by their PHD’s may even finally renounce their professions to live a simpler, slower, happier life far from the urban rat race.

So far, I know a 30 something Doctor, and now a Lawyer who both put their extensive (and expensive) educations on the shelf – and are both running small businesses out here in hicksville.

#19 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 11:39 am

Predictive…anybody emailed BofC and ask them on this little project?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/boc-deputy-pandemic-means-central-banks-must-move-faster-on-digital-currency-plans-1.5144940

BoC deputy: pandemic means central banks must ‘move faster’ on digital currency plans
Jordan Press
Published Wednesday, October 14, 2020 1:13PM EDT
Last Updated Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:38PM EDT

#20 Tarot Card on 10.15.20 at 11:41 am

Reminds me of war of the worlds broadcast April first April fools day. Except …… it’s October.

Butt…….just in case I got my helicopter reservations and my gold ready to go.

For those not aware if you have a grubber licence your allowed to travel anywhere in the world with any amount of gold no $10,000 restrictions.

Sorry have to go I hear my chopper coming.

#21 Axehead on 10.15.20 at 11:46 am

Holy smokes Garth, were you up all night dreaming of this blog entry? Hope you kept back the caffeine so you can sleep tonight; unless the Zombies attack.

#22 Doug in London on 10.15.20 at 12:11 pm

Oh yes, more far right and far left conspiracy stories. What we see here is why some people do just fine financially while others fail. While some people worry about these conspiracy theories, others get on with life and take advantage of the opportunities that arise. Right now, rather than worrying about all this rubbish, has anyone noticed it’s a good time to buy oil companies, pipeline companies, REITs, and telecom stocks like AT&T? I know someone here recently has, suggesting buying REI.UN with its fire sale price and consequently a high yield. I took that advice and will sign off now to see if I got any bites on the lowball offer I submitted.

#23 earthboundmisfit on 10.15.20 at 12:15 pm

Sounds very much like someone is accessing their inner George Orwell.

On the subject of the flu shot. Two weeks ago I booked appointments for spousal unit and me for the hi-test senior’s flu shot, for today. Booked it by phone and then also did on-line registration, at my small town (Ontario) Shopper’s. Phone call from them this morning saying they don’t have, and can’t currently get the vaccine. Silly me …. thinking that by advance booking, the pharmacy would have set aside, with our names on them, the two necessary shots.

#24 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.15.20 at 12:23 pm

A) Henry Makow is Jewish, so to call him an anti-Semite…
B) Why did you publish this ‘Leaked document’; many readers will see this move as being what’s known as a ‘limited hangout’, and it will gain traction.
C) Remember, all questions posed to the president have been approved beforehand, so when that question concerning “Q” was asked a few weeks back it was designed to present the “Q” issue to the world.

(a) Makow’s faith does not change his usual media descriptor. (b) The material was published to, as stated, discredit it from the outset – because it will gain some traction (sadly). (c) Q is a disease. Trump should have pushed away. Just like with the Proud Boys and the Michigan whackjobs. – Garth

#25 KNOW IT ALL on 10.15.20 at 12:25 pm

And then there was……

The 2nd Amendment.

Click, Click, Boom!!

#26 Jackie Cohen on 10.15.20 at 12:29 pm

The real “twaddle” refered to, as was pointed out by me last week finally hit the front pages today. The BOC has been accused of a bond buying shell game that has been earnestly, and perhaps illegally, subsidizing the Trudeau Spending Nightmare.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bank-of-canada-becoming-atm-for-trudeau-conservatives-caution-1.1508520

The wash happens in the Caribbean banks where the BOC creates “bonds” for sale , gives the money to Trudeau, sells the bond to a foreign entity, and then buys the renamed bonds back altered for maturities somewhere between Star Trek and Wakanda.

George Romero could have made a movie about this act of animating and then ressurecting dead dollars created by a monster scientist using financial nuclear waste and then loosing the zombie dollars back into a Liberal Party election fund and calling it ” Night of the Living Dead Dollars”.

The dollars are useless, they don’t exist, no one owns them and no one can apply them to the country’s balance sheet because they don’t exist. It’s a Ponzi Scheme and the problem is it’s the BOC complicit in the laundry cycle. The enormous debt is permanent.

#27 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 12:31 pm

Then there are those pesky scientists from Harvard and other high end institutions of learning that published the Great Barrington declaration. I know they are not the scientists that some people agree with, particularly on the left, but they are gaining traction. Then there is the WHO that says that complete lock downs are not necessary, and perhaps even worse than Covid. Canada may lock down, but many countries will not. It will expose our leadership class for what they are.

Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth

#28 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 10.15.20 at 12:34 pm

“This speaks to the world we inhabit, where right-wing QAnon belief (celebrities and Democrats traffic in human children which are eaten for life-extending chemicals) is tolerated by the American president.” — Garth

That QAnon belief probably is not technically correct.

Most so-called “celebrities” and Democrats probably do not actually “eat” human children and babies in the normal sense of masticating, swallowing, and digesting them.

Rather, they have them aborted and the little baby body parts get sold to companies that want to do research into extending the lives of so-called “celebrities” and Democrats.

Hopefully, it is only the very rare so-called “celebrity” or Democrat who actually “eats” babies.

In contrast to the so-called “celebrities” and Democrats, most of President Trump’s supporters seem to be Pro-Life.

You sound like you believe it. Figures. – Garth

#29 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 12:39 pm

I’m sold! For real just yesterday I was questioning is the virus really there and as they say. I mean of course there are viruses and people getting sick or worse.
I was ‘backsliding’ as some believers might say.

However all fears have been allayed. My faith in CV has been renewed. Straight from the MSM. We need to shut down all small business and gyms this winter for our health – let’s do it. Stay the course people and believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8C296_4-s
“CTV News
498K subscribers
Ont. Premier Doug Ford responds to theories that claim the pandemic is a ‘hoax’.”

#30 Millennial 1%er on 10.15.20 at 12:53 pm

Yeah, been seeing misinformation floating around on 4chan. To me it seemed like a coordinated effort. You just have to stoke the fires long enough for the schizophrenics to do your job for you.

Hopefully CSIS is checking it out. Also, Hi CSIS!

#31 G on 10.15.20 at 12:58 pm

Some may be interested.

Shadow Gate 2.0 – Watch Party, is now out(yesterday), with commentary by the producer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Gu-9-KitY

or without commentary and I assume better sound,
To watch Shadow Gate 2.0 in full HD go to:
https://www.millennialmillie.com/

It claiming to reveal some of the ‘tools and methods’ now being employing to control your/people’s minds.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying it clears everything up. Because what do I know.

But it’s something to consider when viewing the world or how others may be viewing it and why.

As a guess Canadians probably have similar issue to contend with when trying to see through the fog.

IMO, It’s some food for thought that might help you see some of the trees that make up the forest. Or not.

#32 Faron on 10.15.20 at 1:00 pm

#28 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 10.15.20 at 12:34 pm

….most of President Trump’s supporters seem to be Pro-Life.

—-

Yet Trump is trumping up REGENERON, a COVID-19 therapy that relies on fetal stem cell tissue for its production. Imagine what scaling up the production to meet his promises would imply. Last I checked he was a republican. Woops.

#33 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.15.20 at 1:06 pm

I didn’t know TurnerNation was a committee member of the Liberal Party!

#34 Steerage on 10.15.20 at 1:06 pm

#27 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 12:31 pm

Then there are those pesky scientists from Harvard and other high end institutions of learning that published the Great Barrington declaration. I know they are not the scientists that some people agree with, particularly on the left, but they are gaining traction. Then there is the WHO that says that complete lock downs are not necessary, and perhaps even worse than Covid. Canada may lock down, but many countries will not. It will expose our leadership class for what they are.

Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth
………

Dueling scientists and memorandums…

https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/

And the zerocovid folks

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/

#35 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 10.15.20 at 1:17 pm

“You sound like you believe it. Figures.” – Garth

Accusing the opposition political party of “eating babies” is just standard, old-fashioned, long-accepted, political talk. I hope you never took this sort of talk too seriously and literally in your younger and more naive days, and actually tried to eat some poor kid.

The “eating babies” probably never really actually happened very much at all – at least not until recently with the current crop of so-called “celebrities” and Democrats. You never know about them.

#36 caledondave on 10.15.20 at 1:17 pm

Wow…that’s almost what Turnernation has been predicting all along is it not. Hmmm I wonder if this originated from Turnernation.

#37 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 1:19 pm

Everyone needs to keep a close eye on the facts here.

The only folks who we are not hearing from, are our own government.

On the one side we have mass media and their ridiculous fear and doom tactics, being used to sell click bait and virus porn.

On the other side we have the weirdos, who are increasingly gaining a following with their apocalyptic predictions and fake news stories.

There is nothing at all in the middle. A frightened looking Doug Ford telling us all how unfair this virus is.

Like nature was ever fair, reasonable, or capable of being negotiated with.

Dig into your facts. Form your own opinions. MSM is not lying to you, they are “pumping” things. They do give you the truth, but you have to really dig for it. The weirdo groups, anti maskers and conspiracy theorists are lying to you.

#38 Christopher Robin on 10.15.20 at 1:20 pm

I’d love to dismiss this as “twaddle” but the laws in canada surrounding Civil asset seizure basically allow the government to do exactly what this conspiracy article suggests. “Do as we say, or you’ll be deemed a criminal and then we’ll seize everything you have.” The courts have held the government’s right to do this withtout a criminal conviction.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-civil-forfeiture-charter-rights-1.5758208

#39 Ron the Elder on 10.15.20 at 1:21 pm

To #18 IHCTD9 : Thanks for the response.

City Mouse vs Country Mouse. I have been both. And they both have their Pro’s and Con’s. My post wasn’t a judgement either way, just an observation.

#40 Ron the Elder on 10.15.20 at 1:23 pm

To #18 IHCTD9 : Part 2

Upon a re-read, I guess it was a judgement. I chose to be a City Mouse.

#41 Penny Henny on 10.15.20 at 1:26 pm

With NBC broadcasting Trump’s town hall and ABC broadcasting Biden’s town hall tonight the viewership numbers might give us a better understanding of which candidate’s followers are more involved and more likely to cast a vote election day.

#42 Sara on 10.15.20 at 1:26 pm

We’re all just rats in the manipulative social media maze. It’s not our fault, it’s our psychology.

Check out this fascinating documentary-drama titled “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix:
https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81254224

#43 El Presidente superspreader tour on 10.15.20 at 1:28 pm

Florida, Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina today.. … spreading the rona love far and wide……… I could kiss you all !

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1316789583518953473

Really big crowd.. we’ll have a great time!

#44 Old Ron the Realtor on 10.15.20 at 1:32 pm

So let me get this straight. According to a Certifiable Loon named Mr Henry Markow:

The Gov will take over your property and forgive your debts ? Ok, I got to call a few clients who have absolute dog poo mortgaged right up to the ears. We might have a deal here.

#45 YVR Expat on 10.15.20 at 1:33 pm

It’s almost as if people are social creatures that can’t sit in a room alone with Netflix all day. Millennials and GenZ are staying single longer, they aren’t getting married, they can’t just stay home – they’re lonely and they need to socialize, they have no choice. Long-term boredom and loneliness increases your risk for a premature death., socializing is the cure. This is why lockdowns don’t work, even the hated WHO has admitted this.

#46 Lambchop on 10.15.20 at 1:34 pm

#5 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.15.20 at 10:42 am
Any comments on this:

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/procurement-data/tender-notice/PW-ZL-105-38463

Service Provider(s) for Federal Quarantine / Isolation sites (6D112-202772/A)

____________

I realize you’re not asking me, but here is a link to the details of that tender notice. Might shed a bit of light on it.

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/cds/public/2020/09/16/20659b7271164ad9984dc3f33b194f38/ABES.PROD.PW__ZL.B105.E38463.EBSU000.PDF

Also, thanks for the laugh, Garth!

#47 James on 10.15.20 at 1:35 pm

You had me at “…porn”.

Continue :)

#48 Christopher Robin on 10.15.20 at 1:39 pm

I am a college educated individual who believes in “science first” and I believe this virus is a hoax, to what end I don’t know. UBI? higher taxes? A few months ago the CDC says you can pick it up on surfaces, then they said its not transmissible on surfaces. in the beginning they said masks weren’t necessary, then that we should all wear masks. Now just two days ago they said again that after 8 months of study Masks do not control the spread. Gov’s in europe are saying its airborne, Health canada is not prepared to say that. These are supposed to be the top minds in medical science. With Billions of dollars in funding behind them and they can’t even say where the danger is, only our lives should stop because its soo dangerous.

Most importantly THIS very website is probably the only Canadian publication that lists percentages of infected and dead. No national newsmedia is reporting % of infected or dead vs population per province. Why ? because it marginalizes the impact.

While people are indeed dying, google your provinces number of deaths from flu in 2019 then compare that number to deaths from The Wuhan virus. If you don’t question the gov over reaction to this “pandemic” I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you.

#49 Franco on 10.15.20 at 1:39 pm

What would you do if the decision was yours to make on the COVID restrictions?

Everyone gets a puppy! – Garth

#50 Phylis on 10.15.20 at 1:39 pm

Nah, it’s just debtors prisons being built. Pay no attention to the signs on the lawn.

#51 FriedEggs on 10.15.20 at 1:41 pm

‘Conspiracy Theory’ is just an engineered smear word to undermine critical thinking.
.
Ask anyone that takes andreochrome – or a any cop

#52 Sue on 10.15.20 at 1:42 pm

So we know turner nations real name now? Or a close family member perhaps.

#53 YVR Expat on 10.15.20 at 1:42 pm

It’s almost like people are social creatures that can’t sit in a room alone with Netflix all day. Millennials and GenZ are staying single longer, they aren’t getting married, they can’t just stay home, they’re the loneliest cohort – they need to socialize. Long-term loneliness and boredom increases your risk for a premature death (typically seen in the elderly).

#54 AGuyInVancouver on 10.15.20 at 2:01 pm

Why should this wackiness come as any surprise? A good portion of their fellow travellers on the crazy train post in the Comments section here regularly.

#55 Barb on 10.15.20 at 2:07 pm

Our own Gulag Archipelago…
Solzhenitsyn would be proud.

#56 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.15.20 at 2:08 pm

Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth

You truly believe that?

Many (who know far more than I) apparently do. Herd immunity comes at a price – which seems reasonable when 214,000 have died under restrictions. – Garth

#57 T-Rev on 10.15.20 at 2:09 pm

Been contemplating deleting social media for years, and I’m a very infrequent user anyway. Then I watched The Social Dilemma. As soon as it was over, I closed all my online SM accounts, LinkedIn, Twitter, FB, IG, and bought paid subscriptions to the WSJ and Globe and Mail.

You get what you pay for. Want free content? Prepare for BS designed to incite, divide, and keep you “engaged”, I.e scrolling mindlessly for hours while your children are asking you to come play and your life slips away.

#58 Alberta Ed on 10.15.20 at 2:12 pm

Fortunately, there’s still baseball.

#59 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 2:15 pm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-unifor-says-fiat-chrysler-to-spend-15-billion-to-make-electric/

Looks like Windsor is getting the big electric vehicle building contract, including 2000 new jobs (to be given to laid off Unifor workers).

#60 Spiltbongwater on 10.15.20 at 2:18 pm

This conspiracy cannot be true as there is no mention of 5G in the article.

#61 Alberta Boy on 10.15.20 at 2:19 pm

I trust this “source” about as much as I trust the CBC.

#62 FreeBird on 10.15.20 at 2:24 pm

POTUS and Regeneron ethical issues…

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/health/trump-regeneron-antibodies.amp.html

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/articles/trumps-regeneron-treatment-is-a-tangled-ethical-mess-51602188920

#63 Alberta Boy on 10.15.20 at 2:33 pm

Speaking of the virus…..It is important to remember that these current restrictions would help prevent many deaths from every other cold, flu, virus and microbe. This is exactly why I believe we should be wearing masks and distancing forever! I have actually committed to never hug my grandmother or my chubby friends again because I love them so much. Anyone who disagrees with me is probably a Trump supporter that doesn’t care about the vulnerable.

#64 Overheardyou on 10.15.20 at 2:34 pm

Honestly I can’t wait for the day when we can compare the countries that locked down to the ones that let nature happen to see who is the greater fool.

#65 Dolce Vita on 10.15.20 at 2:40 pm

I know you’ve made your mind up Garth but you know in the humanity pendulum of 0 degrees to 180 degrees without a DOUBT that was FULL 180 degrees.

But that does not mean there are NO truths in that leaked manifesto.

The question is, which are the truths?

We’ll see.

Recall Garth one thing certain about COVID-19 so far is:

New unthought of before, unimaginable precedents have happened and history not a good teacher.

Bunk I would agree…come human trait is to go OVERBOARD when trying to make a point (and ya, that was overboard) but as usual there may well be some truth in there…problem is the Author obliterated any hope of find a TRUTH in that diatribe DIRGE.

#66 Dolce Vita on 10.15.20 at 2:48 pm

#46 Lambchop

That RFP is for border, airport crossing point quarantine sites. They are trying to do what we already have here in Italia (e.g., rapid testing at airports and expanded areas to guarantee isolation).

They forgot quarantine ships like we have off of Sicily, 4 to be precise, for “newcomers” that arrive to our shores with the DAMN VIRUS.

#67 jess on 10.15.20 at 2:49 pm

Asymmetrical information

a physicist wrote the turner diaries
rationalization is the “saviour” of self respect…..

say one thing mean another
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/stock-market-coronavirus-trump.html
Janet Yellon was married to George. She led the Fed as chair. Influenced as she was a student of Hyman Minsky a distinguished scholar at the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College. The hypothesis of financial instability was developed by the economist Hyman Minksy. He argued that financial crisis are endemic in capitalism because periods of economic prosperity encouraged borrowers and lender to be progressively reckless. This excess optimism creates financial bubbles and the later busts.
“The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism” is a well-known 1970 paper by economist George Akerlof which examines how the quality of goods traded in a market can degrade in the presence of information asymmetry between buyers and sellers, leaving only “lemons” behind.
Asymmetric information means that one party has more or better information than the other when making decisions and transactions. The imperfect information causes an imbalance of power. … Accurate information is essential for sound economic decisions. When a market experiences an imbalance it can lead to market failure.

#68 Stan Brooks on 10.15.20 at 2:53 pm

This is what precisely happened under the collectivization in the former socialist block – confiscation of private property, leaving one unit/house per family and seizing all productive assets. No talk of baby eating/conspiracy theories at all. Cold truth and facts.

Will it happen here? Of course not.

No debt jubilee, we have inflation for that.

No confiscation of private property, why would the elite/owners who control everything give away their assets?

This is simply BS, noise to hide the real state of the affairs, so when the true confiscation really happens through inflation and possible collectivization/unification of private and public pension plans (sold as providing government ‘security’ to the masses through newly printed cash/bonds in exchange for ‘volatile’ assets) to imply sense of relief that it could have been much worse.

The worse part is of course when bureaucrats who are in charge and implement these ridiculous policies including NIRP/negative interest rates, MMT aka excessive counterfeiting/money printing etc. blame the public for their miserable failures while ‘warning’ about potential fallout form the very policies they implement.

When TSHTF it becomes the blame game folks.

But the outcome is certain.

I on my part am not waiting for any of that, aggressively collapsing any asset/capital within the reach of the imbeciles.

The idea that these very limited intellectually individuals, including the whole cabined of T2 that has average IQ much less than that of the average populace is calling the shots and determines the fate of millions savers and retirees is frightening.

And yet somethings tells me that we have seen nothing yet.

There is no way we are getting that easy from the predicament we are in only by excessive money printing and potential horrendous inflation, no way, there will be something accompanying that treat
that will leave very bitter taste for generations.

You can only make paint with fart for that long.

Cheers,

#69 Joseph R. on 10.15.20 at 2:55 pm

#57 T-Rev on 10.15.20 at 2:09 pm

You get what you pay for. Want free content? Prepare for BS designed to incite, divide, and keep you “engaged”, I.e scrolling mindlessly for hours while your children are asking you to come play and your life slips away.

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But Dopamine is one hellava drug!

#70 Diamond Dog on 10.15.20 at 2:57 pm

You tube just cracked down on Q Anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWhnr3R70k

Accounts with over 10’s of millions of views are gone, just this morning. Initially, You tube’s recommendation algorithm’s led user searches to Q Anon. Without search engines that founders of Q Anon exploited to their own benefit, Q Anon likely wouldn’t exist. It was a huge recruiting tool for Q Anon (an obvious online cult) and now that’s stripped away.

This move would no doubt, put pressure on Facebook to do the same. CNN’s online lead story right now:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/us/qanon-religion-churches/index.html

#71 Stan Brooks on 10.15.20 at 2:59 pm

Pierre Poilievre warned about the idiotic BoC policies and the danger they present to the purchasing power of the currency and believe me, there is a big, huge, humongous reason to be concerned.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/bank-of-canada-becoming-atm-for-trudeau-conservatives-warn

Do you really believe that the substitute drama teacher really has and friggin idea where this nation is going under his policies?

If you truly believe that you need professional mental health.

Cheers,

#72 Dolce Vita on 10.15.20 at 3:01 pm

“Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth”

I read it too. That was my conclusion as well. Basically:

Let ‘er rip, too bad, too sad is you die in our herd immunity conquest experiment writ large.

You know who signed up for that Brief (read his proud Tweet about it and reminded him they are herd immunity people):

Maxime Bernier

Normally, his devout axe wielding followers would have sent me a bevy of “how dare you question the words of our 2nd Coming leader” Tweets but My Liege (it’s happened before to me):

Nary a whimper

from his devout pitchfork wielding followers. Seems Cdns have Common Sense (well SAVE the MANIFESTO you shared with us today).

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PS:

THAT was good.

#73 Comrade on 10.15.20 at 3:05 pm

Not to worry, everything is normal.

“Vancouver area sees autumn boom in housing market: Royal LePage”
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-area-sees-autumn-boom-in-housing-market-royal-lepage-1.5146445

#74 SomeDude on 10.15.20 at 3:13 pm

The funny thing about QAnon is that their is a grain of truth to it.

Epstein was probably working as a honey-pot entrapment guy who filmed the rich and powerful in compromising situations with underage girls in order to blackmail them for some shady organization.

Same with the 5G towers spreading coronavirus. It’s literally bullshit BUT they are both products of the CCP. One was developed and pushed by Chinese state companies like Huawei in order to totally compromise the world communications for spying purposes. The other may have escaped from the Wuhan institute of virology.

People are struggling to understand how governments of previously free countries can institute curfews, travel restrictions, forced closure of businesses etc.

On top of the media being totally corrupt and propagandistic it really does seem like the virus is being used as a pretext by governments to grab more power. The fact that all these international agencies like the WHO are involved just makes it seem more conspiratorial. It honestly does feel like a pretext for an assault on freedom.

Then you have all these people talking about global warming. I always thought it was nonsense because they would have to shut down the entire global economy to achieve their goals. Look where we are…

#75 IHCTD9 on 10.15.20 at 3:14 pm

#40 Ron the Elder on 10.15.20 at 1:23 pm
To #18 IHCTD9 : Part 2

Upon a re-read, I guess it was a judgement. I chose to be a City Mouse.
___

Aye – I was born and raised in an inner city subdivision, from there we moved to the sticks. Both had perks, but nothing beats the country for me now. The sticks have been good to me right across the board, apart from the occasional bee sting.

The blue hairs come here by choice, but I think some of the youths see it as plan B – ie. it’s the only doorway to raising a family, owning some land, saving to retire, and achieving financial security. I’m sure a few might stay in the metro if they could – at least for a little while. Maybe. We’re probably going to see more plan “B” kids in the years to come. WFH opportunists as well.

I’m sticking with my prediction that big Metros will become a landing pad for new comers. Success would mean the ability to leave by choice years later. Failure would mean becoming trapped, unable to own assets, liquid or hard. Prospering within the Metro? That ship has sailed for the 99%.

#76 Catalyst on 10.15.20 at 3:14 pm

They may have the steps wrong, but I do believe a debt jubilee of some sort is the end game.

#77 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 3:16 pm

Re: #56 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.15.20 at 2:08 pm

Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth

You truly believe that?

Many (who know far more than I) apparently do. Herd immunity comes at a price – which seems reasonable when 214,000 have died under restrictions. – Garth

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There is something being missed here. We are forgetting about viral loading.

When COVID first came out in Wuhan, it was able to load people to the point that they were literally dropping in the streets. The Chinese figured it was apocalypse now. They welded doors shut on infected apartment buildings, and left the occupants to fend for themselves.

After it migrated over to North America, our viral loading was significantly decreased. We saw heavy loading in areas where the primary infection vector was a direct Wuhan to location import. In other words, the more “fresh” the virus, the worse the loading. New York got hit hardest.

Up in Canada, our loading was much less. We later learned that most of our loading came from the USA, and not from China. We got very little direct load. Our Canadian COVID was recycled through many human bodies, before it go to us.

Viral loading.

The fresh, original, newly migrated virus, having just jumped from that weird ant eater thing to a person, was pretty deadly.

However, being an RNA corona virus, it immediately started making bad copies of itself. Some of the bad copies were equally deadly. They killed their hosts. A dead dude lying on the ground, doesn’t transmit an airborne virus that moves from person to person in sneeze droplets.

The copies that did not kill their hosts, went on to spread to other people.

So the viral load, as it goes from person to person, decreases. It does so exponentially, not arithmetically. That is because for every virus copy that kills or incapacitates the host (thus ensuring that it will not spread freely, as the host is no longer capable of producing droplets, being dead), there are thousands of less-loaded viruses being shot out as droplets from the people who did not get the more lethal mutation.

What happens?

Within a couple of years, you have a viral loading similar to a cold virus.

The more COVID spreads, the less lethal it will become.

The less lethal it becomes, the more it will spread. The loading is reduced, meaning it can be spread freely.

A heavily loaded host cannot spread a virus. Because usually, the heavily loaded host, is dead.

Are you an infectious disease dude? – Garth

#78 Mattl on 10.15.20 at 3:16 pm

#6 belly rubs on 10.15.20 at 10:43 am
Thank Zeus we have Dr. Bonny in BC. No mask mandate. No lock downs. Just sane, rational leadership, resulting in a manageble workload. I just had a cleaning at the dentist. A sane, rational, cleaning.

In other news, 20lbs of apples for $10.
50lbs of spuds for $15. Locally grown.

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Say what you want about Horgan and the NDP but they are sure taking a centrist, business first approach to this thing. Very good leadership.

#79 Guido Jones on 10.15.20 at 3:22 pm

A year ago we would have been laughing if someone suggested that people would be walking around muzzled with masks. In fact, people (myself included) were joking about masks when they were making their debut back in March.

But, we aren’t laughing now are we.

Same goes with this leaked information—it’s all a joke—until we realize that the joke is on us.

#80 Billy Buoy on 10.15.20 at 3:24 pm

When people do not get concrete info about Covid (It naturally changes daily and people want certainty in an uncertain world), people get nutty.

As a result, anyone with writing skills that can produce anything that “sounds” realistic gets attention.

Bad Orange man down south with his “Fake News” rants also sent civilization as we know it back at least 75 years.

China and Russia must be laughing. At least they know they control the message more than all free (!) speech countries.

#81 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 3:32 pm

Barrington = two million more dead Americans. Great thinking. – Garth

They Barrington folks are experts in this field and they say we are headed in the wrong direction, as do a number of emergency in Canada room doctors. But hell what does a Harvard PhD know.

It has been my observation that when people say follow the science. What they really mean, is they want to follow the science of people they agree with. So when other scientists say things they don’t agree with they are called heretics. This has happened repeatedly over human history. From Socrates to Galileo to the Salem witch trials, history is repeating. You’re in fine company.

How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what? – Garth

#82 truefacts on 10.15.20 at 3:36 pm

Does anybody else find the whole covid hysteria becoming tiresome???

Lockdowns for everyone, no Halloween for kids, restaurants forced to close so the owners go backrupt, delayed medical surgeries, suicides, depression, …

Now there are lockdowns across Europe where they had lockdowns before – always the answers…MORE restrictions – house arrest for everyone!!!

Then there’s Sweden, which didn’t lock down. They have 242 deaths (out of a population of over 10 million) of people under 60. They admit they did not protect their long-term care homes (and stats show this), but now they are NOT suffering this “second wave”

See here:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-21/sweden-spared-second-wave-coronavirus-so-far

Or here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/sweden-avoiding-second-wave-consistent-measures-trusting-population/

Time for our health “experts” to take a visit to Sweden and do the right thing and let us get on with life….the costs are simply higher than the disease!!!

#83 Tarot Card on 10.15.20 at 3:37 pm

Wow this is gaining legs everyone is emailing

I still honestly believe it’s BS but wow watch this video

Now this link is to the Ontario legislature a question raised in the Ontario legislature to the Ontario government asking if it was aware of the federal governments intention to detain people beyond COVID.
And then the speaker shut him down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GaptTqiNw

Oh my god if this is true?

My apologies the war of the world broadcast was Oct 30 1938

#84 Lambchop on 10.15.20 at 3:42 pm

#78 Mattl on 10.15.20 at 3:16 pm
#6 belly rubs on 10.15.20 at 10:43 am
Thank Zeus we have Dr. Bonny in BC. No mask mandate. No lock downs. Just sane, rational leadership, resulting in a manageble workload. I just had a cleaning at the dentist. A sane, rational, cleaning.

In other news, 20lbs of apples for $10.
50lbs of spuds for $15. Locally grown.

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Say what you want about Horgan and the NDP but they are sure taking a centrist, business first approach to this thing. Very good leadership.

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I agree with both of these posts, which makes this election so much more aggravating. I can’t vote for the NDP platform of $pending, in this current climate, BUT the devil you know…
We have no idea how a BCLib gov’t will handle this coronavirus if they are elected.
This conundrum makes me very angry at Horgan for calling an early election and is another strike against him, so it looks like I have to hold my nose, vote Liberal and hope they’ve dialed back their overt love of corruption and power, or we could well end up in an eastern Canada style lockdown.

#85 John on 10.15.20 at 3:46 pm

Are you an infectious disease dude? – Garth

He is not, and his post contains ludicrous misinformation. (Intentional or not, I don’t know.) You should delete the post.

#86 Northshore guy on 10.15.20 at 3:50 pm

That was hilarious lol

On the other news, our all knowing previous Governor of BoC says nothing to worry about housing market

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/poloz-not-really-worried-about-canada-s-housing-markets-1.1507619.amp.html

So don’t worry and keep buying houses.

As though Tiff wasn’t enough now we have to deal with this guy still

#87 Dummy on 10.15.20 at 3:52 pm

How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what? – Garth

2 million dead Americans is sadly quite plausible. It would require an IFR at the high end of the WHO’s current estimates (1%) and an infection rate of 60%.

#88 Kevin on 10.15.20 at 3:55 pm

Thanks for the insight, Garth.

Also, your blog isn’t immune from disinformation; I’m sure it exists in the comments. Please put in a proper commenting system so you can stop abetting them (Здравствуйте; Ni hao!).

#89 Jimmy Zhao on 10.15.20 at 4:00 pm

When I’m shackled inside a boxcar on my way to a government detention camp, I hope I get a window seat at least.

#90 Rico on 10.15.20 at 4:04 pm

What is wrong with you people?
This is Canada. We are not a “me, first” nation. We look after each other. We’re also not ignorant enough to believe nonsense conspiracy theories and are smart enough to listen to at least some scientists.

Covid isn’t going away without a vaccine.
Cases are rising across Canada due to bad behaviour and excess openings. Overwhelming the medical system will result in exponential deaths, just like in every other nation where early opening happened.
Limit your contacts, wear a mask indoors and everywhere else you can’t social distance and stop spreading garbage on the interweb.

#91 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 4:15 pm

How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what? – Garth

The answer is you don’t do things that are obviously dumb. You protect the folks at risk. Folks in nursing homes and with serious pre-existing conditions need to be protected. Garth look at the data. This virus is very selective. If you are old and sick and you get this bug, it will kill you. There is lots of data, yet people get sucked into fear. The data does not support lock downs of everyone. But a common sense approach. Wear the mask, social distance and protect the old and sick. If we lock down again it will be an act fear, and not one based on data.

#92 Dolce Vita on 10.15.20 at 4:17 pm

#81 Barrington

As a keen reader of Philosophy by those since time immemorial up to recent times, your reference to some of the greats is an insult to the intelligence of those that avidly read their works.

Then again, so is the Barrington Brief.

Also, correct me if I am wrong but I do not recall any of them saying:

Euthanasia Good

PS:

As for Salem, you’re on your own.

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#73 Comrade

THAT was refreshing. No charts and death and damnation…just a simple observation.

Nice.

#93 El presidente on 10.15.20 at 4:29 pm

Damn doggos…they know….

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1316806752558489602?s=19

#94 mike from mtl on 10.15.20 at 4:38 pm

#82 truefacts on 10.15.20 at 3:36 pm

Then there’s Sweden, which didn’t lock down.
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In the western world, yes they’re more (in)famous. Another one that is surprising – Japan.

They basically let it rip with only a ‘recommendation’ to say at home for 1 month in the summer. Granted there’s still official ‘recommendations’, not orders, that everyone basically complies, but nothing even close to the damaging stupidity of ever changing on-off we have to endure.

In their favour:

>HARD lockout, no inbound travelling, even permanent residents, only nationals. It’s an island, try boating the pacific.
>Disregard what the rest of us idiots are doing.
>Barely test using those horribly misleading PCR. Only if the person is clearly showing symptoms and does not clear.
>Not their first rodeo, past experience with Influenza and other East Asian diseases from their lovely neighbour China.
>Experts in geriatrics & LTC. They have the one of longest life expectancies for a reason. Not uncommon to see 80+ year olds active and working.
>They’ve been broke for 2 decades so they can’t afford the stupidity the western world is doing.

Nothing is a ‘good’ option but realistically either we let it rip, people die, have issues. Or Lockdown, open, lockdown and instead of 1 year or so this goes on for many years and people still die, have issues.

For whatever reason it’s been decided for us that the only hope is a 100% effective vaccination. Which has never been done before for this, realistically can’t be 100% effective, be able to be deployed logistically / politically, even then won’t eliminate it forever.

#95 Dolce Vita on 10.15.20 at 4:46 pm

#82 truefacts

Look it, everyone in Europe knows Sweden is a joke and a bunch of knuckleheads (their Lefty Social Reengineering Gov, not their people) that cannot admit they were SO WRONG.

Again and by population ratio:

-If Canada were Sweden it would have almost 22000 deaths (Canada has 9654)

-If Canada were Sweden the other day it would have 3900 new cases (Canada had 2500).

-Sweden has 80 Cases/100K population, the highest in Canada is PQ with 82.8, ON with 38.2, BC with 18.3, AB 41.7, MN at 47, the rest < 10.

-Sweden during Wave I afraid it would run out of O2 in their ICU's so Elderly in Care Homes denied O2, given Morphine instead = Euthanasia (at least in Canada they called in the Army). BTW, Tegnell their version of a Chief Medical Officer admits:

"Sweden's Tegnell admits too many died" (Elderly in Care Homes)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52903717

-Sweden caught lying about the efficacy of Herd Immunity (Tegnell, yet again):

"Five months into Europe's pandemic and only 6% of the population here is known to have antibodies, according to Swedish Public Health Agency research…However, Anders Tegnell believes the true figure is "definitely a lot higher", as immunity "has proven to be surprisingly difficult to measure".

…he said it was +20% (UK's ONS caught him in the lie) hence the term "KNUCKLEHEADS"

-Sweden GDP -8% worst in their 40 years of measuring it and you know, threadbare Italia's is -9%…some victory that is.

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But hey, you MUST KNOW SOMETHING the Swedes themselves do not know:

"A survey by pollster Novus for the public service broadcaster SVT published late last week showed the share of respondents with “very or quite high confidence” in the government’s ability to handle the coronavirus plummeted to 45 percent in June from 63 percent in April."

https://www.politico.eu/article/swedes-turn-on-swedens-corona-response-coronavirus-covid19/

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Sweden is a giant dung show the likes of Niagara Falls by their Gov.

From the Stats alone CANADA YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SWEDEN. But heck, move there if the above appeals to you.

And you think you have it bad in Canada with its Govs, imagine Sweden instead…

#96 Sheesh on 10.15.20 at 4:57 pm

#27 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 12:31 pm
It has been my observation that when people say follow the science. What they really mean, is they want to follow the science of people they agree with.

Sort of like what you’re doing, huh?
Here’s a great website for you, although I’m sure you’ll come back with all sorts of reasons why you disagree.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/great-barrington-declaration/.

Ace Goodheart…you should spend some quality time reading this website as well.

#97 Vigi cacavid on 10.15.20 at 4:58 pm

So many govt paid trolls or idiots that I am almost puking….Idiocracy in action

#98 truefacts on 10.15.20 at 4:59 pm

#94 Mike from Mtl…

Good points…one more thing…

Remember, “To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail” With Covid, the only yardstick they use is the number of Covid deaths. My assertion is that deaths from depression, suicides, drug overdoses, delay “elective” surguries, etc will lead to more deaths than are saved thru Covid restrictions (not to mention other costs like closed businesses, unemployment, etc).

These other deaths are never counted in the stats, but the loved ones would argue that these deaths still count.

Let’s end the lockdowns, get on with normal life, and simply implement measures to protect the vulnerable…

#99 Dee on 10.15.20 at 5:01 pm

Garth what I don’t understand is, are we not in the same situation we were in 8 months ago? We are just doing the same things over and over again expecting a different outcome, but HELLO It’s a virus. I have had friends who couldn’t get timely care for cancer because of the shutdowns. In the meantime have we built any field hospitals or dedicated certain hospitals to covid so other people with illnesses can get help too? What progress have we made with testing or are we way behind and lined up once again? What help has been given to some of Canadas largest employers like the airline industry? Poor countries like the dominican have rapid tests so people can travel, but here? So we close down again just like before, why? How did that work? Stay in while what, we hope th virus miraculously disappears? You would think someone in charge would come up with a new game plan like ohhhhh why not force everyone to wear a mask so we can get our businesses going….and lets get some rapid tests so our tourism industries can survive…and lets build medical facilities and lets start giving some money to the large businesses who have been given nothing. Or wait, lets just keep doing what we do here, the same old “shut down, open up, shut down, open up” never ending tiring saga with what progress.?? Oh we hand out money quickly to people who don’t want to work but we sure have a tough time giving any to the places that really need it don’t we? Pretty sad

#100 Ford and Tory in the dock on 10.15.20 at 5:03 pm

France’s police raids on politicians over their criminal Covid-19 incompetence should be just the start
Damian Wilson
is a UK journalist, ex-Fleet Street editor, financial industry consultant and political communications special advisor in the UK and EU.
15 Oct, 2020 18:59
Put ’em in the dock! France’s police raids on politicians over their criminal Covid-19 incompetence should be just the start
FILE PHOTO: Police arrive at Arc de Triomphe,
With a second wave of coronavirus hitting many countries and new lockdowns achieving little, might we finally see ministers and health officials being held accountable for their dreadful decisions?
As French police investigate the government’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic and launch a series of raids on the homes of leading politicians and senior health officials, elsewhere around the globe Prime Ministers and Presidents should be starting to sweat. Because the people want payback.

Payback for the months of sacrifice they have made of their children’s education, their jobs, their personal freedoms and their mental health. Payback for their losses, of loved ones, of their futures, of hope.

And if that means the police kicking down a few doors and hauling shame-faced politicians and bureaucrats from their beds so that they might be pressed for answers, then so be it.

The upset in France is symptomatic of the worldwide fury at the incompetence shown by our leaders in tackling the coronavirus pandemic and we can only hope that this demand for accountability brings some answers.

#101 Kate on 10.15.20 at 5:05 pm

It is all funny until it is true.

#102 Kate on 10.15.20 at 5:06 pm

Romans also laughed when told that their Empire will fall.

#103 Toronto_CA on 10.15.20 at 5:07 pm

Dolce Vita, your nonsense about Sweden is disgusting.

They’ve got the right approach. They’re seeing light at the end of a tunnel, while Italy and Canada sees another tunnel.

Quoting opinion polls from June is irrelevant. It’s mid October.

Lockdowns have failed. They are not sustainable.

https://fee.org/articles/5-charts-that-show-sweden-s-strategy-worked-the-lockdowns-failed/

https://fee.org/articles/elon-musk-on-lockdowns-sweden-was-right/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/06/swedish-economy-dodges-covid-bullet-says-danske-bank/

Take your garbage rhetoric elsewhere. Maybe go check on Italy, that just had a new daily record cases and faces quarantines and lockdowns:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-italy/italy-coronavirus-cases-surge-to-new-daily-record-above-7000-idUKKBN26Z2A9

#104 Bob in Hamilton on 10.15.20 at 5:15 pm

“– Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.”

That last one is a joke. Our military? In 2020 they can’t even put together a fully equipped and complete combat brigade in the entire country, yet they’re supposed to deploy to all major metropolitan areas and lock them down?

Absolute madness….you know it’s virus porn.

#105 Andrew on 10.15.20 at 5:19 pm

#83

First off it’s an RFI, not an RFP. This takes time, lots and lots of time. Usually RFI’s amount to nothing. It’s just requesting information. That is all.

Secondly, it’s likely the MP had no idea what the guy was talking about.

Third. What if there was a a situation that warranted these types of camps? Like, a pandemic where a virus is extremely lethal and kills 50% of the population, and there’s so much civil unrest. Like the plague. Or some sort of biological attack. The government would want to know what options are on the table, including who can help and at what price. It’s really planning for the worst. Not that it will happen, but they will at least know what is necessary.

#106 Piano_Man87 on 10.15.20 at 5:27 pm

Are you an infectious disease dude? – Garth

*******************************

What this person says is partially true. Viruses usually mutate to be more contagious and less lethal, since this is what evolution by natural selection’s main pressure is. Deadly viruses like Ebola do not spread like wildfire because their hosts are too busy bleeding out of every orifice in bed. Usually viruses get weaker, in order to spread more among less afflicted hosts.

But viruses can also mutate into something more lethal. Mutations are after all, random. There is no guarantee. This is why no leading infectious disease docs are saying we should just wait until it’s not that dangerous and then let ‘er rip. It’s dangerous to say so.

#107 The Nutty Epidemiologists - Covid party deserters on 10.15.20 at 5:30 pm

It’s difficult to reconcile this stance with the data from states and nations which did not lock down for COVID19. For example, Swedish all-cause mortality is on average for 2020 – incredibly, the nation had higher per-capita mortality just five years ago, in a year in which there was no pandemic. This undeniable, easily-verifiable fact is shocking in light of the decimation of world economies on the premise of “stopping” a “highly deadly” pathogen. Far from “unethical,” allowing the virus to “run free” produced a much better result than tight lockdowns such as those imposed in Argentina and Peru – yet Tedros is ignoring this. The question is: why?

#108 God Bless the Queen on 10.15.20 at 5:32 pm

Even the Queen is maskless!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/europe/queen-elizabeth-mask-intl-scli-gbr/index.html

#109 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 5:40 pm

So, don’t send to ask
For whom the chopper comes.
It comes for Thee.

#110 Jay on 10.15.20 at 5:46 pm

How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what? – Garth

_____

Maybe ask Sweden who are currently living life as normal with only the basic precautions and kids are going to school without being masked all day.

The argument that 2 million will die unless we fight every single case at any cost is just as ridiculous as that so called liberal insider email.

The virus is already unleashed on the herd, at this point we are just hiding from it and dragging out the inevitable. The argument of the Barrington declaration is that over the top restrictions do more harm to society than this virus ever will, what part of that don’t people understand?

#111 This is not a virus or Trump blog! on 10.15.20 at 5:51 pm

Well so much for that!…. they both just ooze into everything …

Covid will be with us for a looong time…….. Trumper – win/lose will be tweeting til the end of time…….

#112 whiplash on 10.15.20 at 5:58 pm

#105 Andrew
Third What if there was a situation that warranted these types of camps?

Like in Germany–“Konzentrationslager”

#113 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 6:00 pm

#59 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 2:15 pm
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-unifor-says-fiat-chrysler-to-spend-15-billion-to-make-electric/

Looks like Windsor is getting the big electric vehicle building contract, including 2000 new jobs (to be given to laid off Unifor workers).
————
Yep.
Canada is considered by the International business community as a stable country with a well educated workforce.
Having a universal medical is also a great plus.
Unlike the USA that is divided with an uncertain future right now.
ACA (Affordable Care Act) or ObamaCare is certain to be overturned by the Supreme Court, leaving millions with little or inadequate health care.
This, combined with high crime and political rivalries could lead to social unrest.
Not an environment favorable to attracting international companies.

#114 Petulant on 10.15.20 at 6:02 pm

(Apologies – I find it bad form to circle back for a second comment on your post which I appreciate and look forward to)

Even amongst gentlemen you’d have coffee with – look at these comments…..do you not see the empty center of everything that is going on in this world? You’ll say “but a small sample size”

:) – you want links to youtube, reddit or bitchute?

The cultural cannibalism is well into the second phase: Destabilization.

As a political and economic man (whose accolades are well earned) – is there a solution?

Are we too far gone?

#115 Reximus on 10.15.20 at 6:04 pm

I know a few conspiracy theorists, even flat-earthers and Q believers…they will blow you away in their earnest, unflappable commitment to these theories, considering they otherwise normal folks.

They all share one thing in common: they love Youtube as a source of info, and they always believe in multiple theories, not just one.

What I have learned about them is it’s not the theory that matters when you discuss these with them, it’s how they feel they are special in their ‘knowledge’, as if they are privileged and special to know this stuff. If you you argue the lunacy of their theory with them they dont care, what they think you are saying “you’re not as special as you think you are”.

They hate that you are pointing out that they arent ‘in’ on something, so they quickly move the discussion to another of their brilliant theories, which they also got on Youtube.

#116 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 6:04 pm

Thanks for all the interesting responses.

Last time I checked, I was not an infectious disease.

Come back in two years and see if I was right.

If i was not right, most of us will be dead.

Cause COVID is not under control, never will be, and you cannot vaccinate against an RNA corona virus.

If I was right, COVID will have mutated into the equivalent of the common cold.

Care to place your wagers?

#117 joblo on 10.15.20 at 6:09 pm

They forgot to include the:

– Mandatory wearing of government issued inflated farm tractor tire tube to shop at Costco, Walmart and Loblaws.

#118 Chief Pilot Antifa Air great deals on soup see our website on 10.15.20 at 6:14 pm

I’ve known for a very long time that what we really need a vaccine for is stupidity.

#119 Reality is stark on 10.15.20 at 6:15 pm

Why would high levels of unemployment be bad for an economy?
No need for prudence.
Go out and overbid for your next home.
No matter that employment is precarious and divorce is endemic. You are immune to the odds.
You can either be happy or stupid.
Choose wisely.

#120 Long-Time Lurker on 10.15.20 at 6:19 pm

>Old news but it’s a discussion topic here. I do usually read the already posted comments.

Humans are mutating COVID-19 virus, but it is fighting back, scientists say
Published July 24

NEW YORK — Researchers say that SARS-CoV-2 is being mutated by human proteins that degrade it, although “natural selection” of the virus is enabling it to bounce back.

Scientists at the U.K.’s University of Bath and the University of Edinburgh say their research could help in the design of vaccines to combat the virus.

In a statement, the researchers note that all organisms mutate but this is usually a random process as a result of mistakes made when DNA is copied.

“In the case of SARS-CoV-2, mutation may well not be a random process and that instead humans are mutating it, as part of a defence mechanism to degrade the virus,” they explain.

The research is published in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution.

After studying over 15,000 virus genomes from research projects around the world, the scientists identified 6,000 mutations.

“They looked at how much each of the four letters that make up the virus’ genetic code (A, C, U and G) were mutating and discovered that the virus had a very high rate of mutations generating U residues,” the scientists explained. Specifically, the mutation commonly generated UU neighboring pairs, mutating from an original sequence of CU and UC.

This, they explained, is the “fingerprint” of the mutational profile of APOBEC (Apolipoprotein B mRNA Editing Catalytic Polypeptide-like), a human protein that can mutate viruses.

“Natural selection — survival of the fittest — is allowing the virus to fight back against the mutational process,” the researchers added.

“I have looked at mutational profiles for many organisms and they all show some sort of bias, but I’ve never seen one as strong and strange as this,” said lead author Professor Laurence Hurst, director of the Milner Centre for Evolution at the University of Bath, in the statement….

https://www.fox6now.com/news/humans-are-mutating-covid-19-virus-but-it-is-fighting-back-scientists-say

#121 Sydneysider on 10.15.20 at 6:26 pm

Sounds like somebody read the history of aboriginal people in Canada, then the history of Japanese Canadians in WWII, then decided to cook up a new story along similar lines.

#122 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 6:29 pm

About the lockdown, if you doubt it’s about economic destruction, in my prefecture restaurants have erected large and enclosed outdoor tents/marquees with heaters. But if you step inside an enclosed building people will get sick!!! The CV knows. Omnipresent and waiting to strike those not in adherence to the Global Protocols.
Shutting down the GTA till springtime and how else to support all then without a UBI?

#123 Reximus on 10.15.20 at 6:29 pm

They Barrington folks are experts in this field and they say we are headed in the wrong direction, as do a number of emergency in Canada room doctors. But hell what does a Harvard PhD know.

===

Why dont you look at who is behind this nonsense? You wont like it. The signatories are well, bogus.

#124 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 6:39 pm

#64 Overheardyou on 10.15.20 at 2:34 pm
Honestly I can’t wait for the day when we can compare the countries that locked down to the ones that let nature happen to see who is the greater fool.
—————–
Why wait?
Join Trumps SuperSpreader tour as a groupie.
And report back in 14 days.
And if you get it, let nature happen and don’t seek medical help.

#125 Sydneysider on 10.15.20 at 6:39 pm

#95 Dolce Vita

May I remind you again that the number of excess deaths reported by BC March-Sept 2020 now stands at 1400+, of which less than 300 are due to Covid – a vast discrepancy.

Other provinces don’t release deaths data in a timely fashion so far as I know, but when you quote deaths data, you have to be very very careful that you are not missing those due to collateral damage. The health officers and coroners are reporting very different outcomes in BC. Political policies are based on the former.

#126 yorkville renter on 10.15.20 at 6:43 pm

a question for those that know…

yes, we’re going to have to print WAY more money and our purchasing power is reduced, but when the US prints Trillions at the same time doesn’t our currency value remain consistent (assuming similar run up in printing/debt)

thanks!

#127 Reximus on 10.15.20 at 6:45 pm

in my prefecture restaurants have erected large and enclosed outdoor tents/marquees with heaters.

how’s the weather in tokyo?

#128 jal on 10.15.20 at 6:46 pm

“ACA (Affordable Care Act) or ObamaCare is certain to be overturned by the Supreme Court, leaving millions with little or inadequate health care.”
—–
I disagree.
If it is overturned, the USA can try to find an Affordable health system.

#129 paracho on 10.15.20 at 6:47 pm

Too much of this has been going on the last 8 months or so . Conspiracy theories galore . Whole YouTube channels dedicated to theories disguised as facts . Seems like these types have multiplied more and quicker geometrically than actual covid 19 cases . Spread irrelevant and unnecessary fears . Chaos .
Be careful what you read . Ingest .

#130 Nonplused on 10.15.20 at 6:50 pm

What’s crafty about these types of “articles” is that they mix in a bunch of wild speculations with things that could plausibly happen based on what we’ve seen in Europe. For example I could be convinced that schools and restaurants might be closed again at some point, but asset forfeiture and isolation facilities? Military personal on the roads? Shortages?

There may be plans to erect emergency hospital facilities if the need be, something like a Sprung tent I suppose, but it is a long stretch to call that an isolation facility.

Anyway if you delete the outrageous claims it looks more like a potential response to a worst case scenario if things got really bad. I’d also remove all the “Expected by” dates.

– Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward.
– Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) emergency medical facilities where required
– Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program.
– Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program.

Actually now that I removed all the speculation from it there isn’t much left. And I could probably remove the universal income stuff too because that isn’t a given at this point, it is still just talk.

Anyway it doesn’t hurt to keep your pantry full, not because of supply shortages but more in case there is another panic like we saw at the beginning. Everyone should have lots of TP by now so I don’t see that as problem but as we saw last time people can be quite irrational. I mean why were people running the Costco out of bottled water? Did they expect the municipal water systems to fail? I think most places in Canada the tap water is pretty safe to drink if need be. It’s not like it is a hurricane where the water can be contaminated or stop flowing all together. And I don’t think we are going to run out of hand sanitizer or masks again.

Although the lineups they were getting at some US food banks were a little disconcerting. It is kind of a strange thing to ponder miles long lineups of people in their cars going to the food bank. How did they get the money for gas?

#131 Yuus bin Haad on 10.15.20 at 6:51 pm

I’ve been taking advantage of the lockdown protocols to wear my favourite fetish mask around town. Of course, I always used to able to get away with it the closer we got to Halloween.

#132 hwy_str on 10.15.20 at 6:53 pm

Conspiracy theorists are so funny! Can we have more please? :)

#133 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 7:09 pm

@#103 Toronto CA Re Dolce Vita
“Take your garbage rhetoric elsewhere. Maybe go check on Italy, that just had a new daily record cases and faces quarantines and lockdowns:”

+++
Well, to be honest I view Italy and Quebec in the same spot light.
Both populations view their leadership with a healthy disdain.
They also enjoy life a bit more than us Anglos.
Hence the rising Covid19 numbers in both populations due to ignoring the social distancing rules….

Mind you….Toronto has nothing to brag about…..

#134 CL on 10.15.20 at 7:15 pm

First headline:

“Canadian home sales, prices hit record highs again in September: CREA”

https://ca.investing.com/news/economic-indicators/canadian-home-sales-prices-rise-again-in-september-crea-2279089

Headline below it:

“Canada sheds jobs for seventh straight month in September: ADP”

https://ca.investing.com/news/economic-indicators/canada-sheds-jobs-for-seventh-straight-month-in-september-adp-2279064

Hahahaha…What a joke the people running this country are.

#135 Casey on 10.15.20 at 7:15 pm

They really need to make pot illegal again.

#136 zoey on 10.15.20 at 7:16 pm

Ha ! Nice laugh.

Couple of houses across from me in downtown Toronto , you know where prices only go up ! Well both houses are listed “exclusive” by the agent, guess they figured its a slam dunk ? mmmmm wrong ! going on 4 weeks now, still sitting. Lessons will be learned about liquidity going forward. Looking forward to the absorbtion rate end of Oct ..I bet it has tanked.

#137 Doug t on 10.15.20 at 7:21 pm

WE’RE ALL DOOMED

I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work, or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter, punks are running wild in the street, and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it! We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be! We know things are bad — worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest, I don’t want you to riot, I don’t want you to write to your congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first, you’ve got to get mad! [shouting] You’ve got to say: ‘I’m a human being, goddammit! My life has value!’ So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out, and yell: I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

#138 Heather on 10.15.20 at 7:27 pm

That’s about as believable as getting a phone call from some fraudster saying he is with Service Canada and my SIN number has been frozen. How do you freeze a SIN number? I’d have to be dead for that to happen but nonetheless I got the phone call. The human mind is a fascinating organ but it doesn’t function properly in all people.

#139 IHCTD9 on 10.15.20 at 7:33 pm

#133 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 7:09 pm
@#103 Toronto CA Re Dolce Vita
“Take your garbage rhetoric elsewhere. Maybe go check on Italy, that just had a new daily record cases and faces quarantines and lockdowns:”

+++
Well, to be honest I view Italy and Quebec in the same spot light.
Both populations view their leadership with a healthy disdain.
They also enjoy life a bit more than us Anglos.
Hence the rising Covid19 numbers in both populations due to ignoring the social distancing rules….

Mind you….Toronto has nothing to brag about…..
—- – —

Toronto’s not having any fun, they’re just importing cv from other countries, same as Vancouver.

#140 Stealth on 10.15.20 at 7:34 pm

Good evening.
That’s all fine and great… now what shall we do with the asset allocation in a balanced portfolio? Assuming nothing just sleep through the points outlined above, looks like it ends in 2021.

Thank you.

#141 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 7:39 pm

@#134 CL

Record Real Estate Sales vs 7 months of Unemployment numbers

+-+-+-+-+-

Yep.
One wonders when the Unemployment “Lance” will burst the Real Estate “Boil”……

#142 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 7:43 pm

@#136 Zooey
“Couple of houses across from me in downtown Toronto , you know where prices only go up ! Well both houses are listed “exclusive” by the agent, guess they figured its a slam dunk ? mmmmm wrong ! going on 4 weeks now, still sitting. ”

++++
Yep.

I have watched the same houses listed, de-listed, re-listed and……still “For Sale” for over 12 months????

Either the sellers are too arrogant or ( more likely) too indebted to allow themselves to think the unthinkable….. Lower the Price…….

But , eventually, the mortgage holder will decide for them….. :)

#143 AACI Homedog on 10.15.20 at 7:50 pm

Beautiful picture. Is that a Vishla ?

#144 S on 10.15.20 at 7:58 pm

#32 Faron on 10.15.20 at 1:00 pm

“Yet Trump is trumping up REGENERON, a COVID-19 therapy that relies on fetal stem cell tissue for its production. Imagine what scaling up the production to meet his promises would imply. Last I checked he was a republican. Woops.”

Yes, stem cells collected from the embilical cords left from live births. There is so much of the stuff available that stem cells from aborted babies are not necessary.

#145 cuke and tomato picker on 10.15.20 at 8:02 pm

Doug T – Where do you live? Things on south Vancouver Island are execellent. All is fine here business as usual.
We have an abundance of flu shots. Grocery shelves are full Thanksgiving was great. Weather is great for walking.
We have nothing to complain about here. Getting ready for Halloween with some precaution.

#146 Doug t on 10.15.20 at 8:13 pm

#145 cute

Victoria / tent city

#147 tccontrarian on 10.15.20 at 8:14 pm

How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what? – Garth
————————————————-
A dog-owner for sure! LOL

Well, as I understand it (and the way Sweden navigated this CV19 problem is a good example), you really can’t stop a virus from spreading. Nor do we want to – as the only way is to build immunity for it.
Besides, viruses are not ‘organisms’ as bacteria are and cannot be dealt with the same.
I remember long ago, in my 30’s, when I got a bad case of the flu and went to the doctor needing ‘something’ for it. “Lots of fluids and sleep” was the only prescription available.
So now, with this new strain of virus we’re gonna find a ‘miracle cure’? Right…

One more thing –
when they attempt to silence dissenting voices with some some demeaning label (anti-vaxxer, anti-masker, climate-denier, anti-semite, 9/11truther… etc), you know they have no real ‘facts’ to argue their case.

That this situation was planned is without doubt. To what end exactly, we can’t be sure; but TN’s entries here make more sense than anything else.

Now just wait for the next plunge in the Markets that most are going to say it was ‘unexpected’…again. I see -70% in the Naz within 24 months (and -20-30% within 4) – and I have 1/5 of my portfolio positioned as such.
Covid will take the blame…again (why not? Everyone believed the first time!)

Enjoy the ride down…down…down…
tcc

#148 DON on 10.15.20 at 8:18 pm

So twitter had and outage today….lots of blashlash.

We’ll see how Mr. Biden takes it.

Lots of bullshit out there at the moment. Trump is on the attack after his miracle recovery.

Religion and State need to be kepted separate.

Or else we will get the Ministry of Truth and Order.

#149 Drinking on 10.15.20 at 8:19 pm

lol. and a royal salute to those who even try it! Stay safe, but this is getting beyond absurd!!

#150 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 8:33 pm

#98 truefacts I had 4 such deaths reported to me first hand the other week. Timing.

#104 Bob in Hamilton – it would be a UN force not local (They would be too loyal)

#151 Sooner or Later Everyone Goes to Ricks on 10.15.20 at 8:41 pm

As the Atlantic Bubblies are finding, COVID is like a line from the Oscar winning WWII 1942 movie Casablanca.

In “Casablanca” the local hotspot “Rick’s Cafe Americain” is a crossroads for patriots and Nazis, corrupt officials, smugglers, gamblers and refugees seeking to escape.

As one of the characters opines “Sooner or later, everyone comes to Rick’s”.

COVID is the same; sooner or later everyone will visit. The only saving grace is that we’ve learned a lot in the past 7 months on how to treat it. My opinion, worthless as it is, is that in a few more months we’ll devise more treatments that will make a vaccine a nice to have thing but not strictly needed.

And we will have destroyed our economy for nothing.

#152 Doug t on 10.15.20 at 8:46 pm

#145 cuke and potato

And you must live under a rock – things on South van Island are FAR from “excellent” – more and more homeless people suffering daily, drug overdoses UP, families struggling to make ends meet, food banks busier than ever, a Mayor with her head up her wazoo and businesses on the brink of closing – you must wear one hell of a pair of blinders or are completely numb to others suffering

#153 The Realpk on 10.15.20 at 9:04 pm

cuke and tomato picker
“Doug T – Where do you live? Things on south Vancouver Island are execellent. All is fine here business as usual.
We have an abundance of flu shots. Grocery shelves are full Thanksgiving was great. Weather is great for walking.
We have nothing to complain about here. Getting ready for Halloween with some precaution.”

What reality do you live in? Half the downtown businesses are shuttered and not coming back. Yes, because we are are government town lots of folks are fully employed WFH, but not the self employed, they are devastated.
The only source of government income seems to be the property transfer tax on our over-inflated housing market. More debt for the indebted…no one seems to care anymore.

#154 Guelph Guru on 10.15.20 at 9:05 pm

Interesting way to scare people who are already scared.
It’s Halloween folks.

#137: 1976 movie Network.

#155 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 9:20 pm

#130 Nonplussed
Although the lineups they were getting at some US food banks were a little disconcerting. It is kind of a strange thing to ponder miles long lineups of people in their cars going to the food bank. How did they get the money for gas?
—————–
Exactly. That’s what I call the American Paradox.
Americans and to a degree Canadians will rather die than abonden their F-150’s.

#156 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 9:23 pm

I can honestly say, while riding an elevator, this never occured to me…….

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-corruption/brazilian-police-catch-senator-hiding-cash-between-his-buttcheeks-source-says-idUSKBN27024E

Canadian politicians take note…….

#157 Stealth on 10.15.20 at 9:27 pm

Hi,

I reread the post and I believe that implied meaning is that markets should go up during the events in your post, like they did in world war 2 and like they did during the 1918 Spanish flu period (considered to be a much more deadly disease)

Therefore even if they do happen exactly as illustrated balanced portfolio should do more than fine.

Thank you

#158 tccontrarian on 10.15.20 at 9:28 pm

While we’re officially on ‘virus-talk’ radio (but without the port part) …

Swedish Doctor, Sebastian Rushworth, MD., has some interesting things to say regarding herd-immunity. He works/ed in the ER and has first-hand experience of the events that unfolded in his country.
Perhaps we have a thing or two to learn from this:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/

Same doctor interviewed here:

https://youtu.be/w6IeN6sgJ3g

#159 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 9:34 pm

@#143 AACI Homedog

“Is that a Vishla?”

++++

Nah its just a dog.
Looks like a Chihuahua.
Essentially.
An oversized Mexican rat …that barks… a lot.

#160 DON on 10.15.20 at 9:54 pm

Downtown Victoria is hurting for tourism, pubs, coffee shops, expensive clothes shops, tourists related shops and whale watching etc. A friend tells me that gov workers are going back to the office part time at first but he also says they already have a hybrid model. So some relief for those affected.

Where I live the contractors seem just as busy as usual. Home renos, painting, new builds etc.

As for more people living in the public park. It is the warmest winter venue in Canada except when the wind picks up in the autumn/winter from the ocean.

The homeless problem was really bad in 2007-2010 jusr as Vancouver was in the running for the Winter Owelympics. There was a story about it in the media.

Everywhere is hurting for tourism.

#161 Barrington on 10.15.20 at 9:56 pm

The virus has not been about science for quite some time. It has become a political tool, anyone who looks at the data understands this. The data is clear. If your not old and sick and do not have per-existing conditions you’ll likely live long enough to die of cancer, dementia or the neighbours jealous husband. So wear the mask, social distance and above all don’t get caught with the neighbours wife and you’ll be fine.

#162 El presidente on 10.15.20 at 10:05 pm

Herd immunity trump style…..toss the plebs

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1316922069490204672?s=19

#163 Built to Spec on 10.15.20 at 10:11 pm

Please stop reciting the “200,000 deaths”.

The CDC has admitted that only 6% were due to the virus alone, without serious comorbidities that were the real cause of death.

CDC website:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI

Also see this article by a U.S doctor:

“It’s a COVID Casedemic, not a Pandemic”

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/09/its_a_covid_casedemic_not_a_pandemic.html

#164 AM in MN on 10.15.20 at 10:20 pm

#113 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 6:00 pm

ACA (Affordable Care Act) or ObamaCare is certain to be overturned by the Supreme Court, leaving millions with little or inadequate health care.
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You have no idea how the system works in different US States, just regurgitating all the Dem talking points you allow yourself to be brainwashed with.

Do you assume that there was no such thing as healthcare in the US prior to 2010?

The only reason why there is federal involvement in areas that are the constitutional mandate of the states (or CDN Provinces) is because only the feds can print money. The Provinces need to tax it or borrow it, which is much more transparent.

Every US State has a multitude of health officials and insurance plans are regulated by the states. If not for the Fed printed dollars, each state would just sort itself out, much like provinces.

How many local politicians would get re-elected on a “no healthcare” position?

The problem with the left is that its main belief is in having power and control over people. One way to do this is to centralize all power so that people can’t move away from the badly run places, like Democrat run cities and states.

This only works with printed money. If the feds needed to use sound money, the provinces would insist on taking back control. It doesn’t matter what the area of control is.

#165 Built to Spec on 10.15.20 at 10:20 pm

“How do you unleash a virus in the herd without many deaths? I am missing what?” – Garth

That’s a funny thing to say.
We’ve all been exposed to billions of viruses all of our life, and always will be.
Our immune system and herd immunity have been protecting us since forever – humanity wouldn’t be here if it didn’t work.

#166 TurnerNation on 10.15.20 at 10:29 pm

This is a low-key Financial Weblog, with Blog Dogs.

I’d posted that Public Private Partnerships are NewSpeak from the globalists.
We are living the largest land, power and asset grab since the last World War, II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-private_partnerships_in_Canada

Alberta laid off and also outsourced 20,000 health care people.
Socialize the losses (tax payers fund this) and privatize the gains. Yes K-Bro Linen stock popped 10% on this news. Learn the game lads then it all makes sense!!
Happening, so fast now.

You can Google this and decide:
‘IMF Seizes on Pandemic to Pave Way for Privatization in 81 Countries.’
76 of the 91 loans the IMF has negotiated since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic come attached with demands for deep cuts to public services and policies to benefit corporation ‘

#167 Built to Spec on 10.15.20 at 10:30 pm

“Slowly but surely, however, everything we “conspiracy theorists” said back in March about COVID has since been borne out as not a conspiracy theory at all. It was 100 percent true.”

from:

“Three Biggest Lies About COVID-19 Have All Been Exposed”

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/three-biggest-lies-about-covid-19-have-all-been-leo-hohmann/

#168 SoggyShorts on 10.15.20 at 10:44 pm

#42 Sara on 10.15.20 at 1:26 pm
We’re all just rats in the manipulative social media maze. It’s not our fault, it’s our psychology.

Check out this fascinating documentary-drama titled “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix:
https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81254224

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Yikes. The whole time that I’m reading today’s post I’m thinking about what I watched on Netflix last night and before I can recommend it Sara already has.

If Sara and I are both promoting the same flick it might just be worth watching ;-)

#169 Steerage on 10.15.20 at 10:46 pm

A good discussion of the issues from Matt Ridley….

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/students-who-catch-covid-may-be-saving-lives

#170 NSNG on 10.16.20 at 12:52 am

And yet not a peep from our so-called health ‘experts’ about Vitamin D, Vitamin C, and zinc.

These things will certainly do no harm and they will probably do a lot of good.

Yet the dog does not bark as Sherlock Homes would say.

If people want to do some good, get out your printer and print up some cards with this on it:

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Corona virus prevention that the vaccine drug sellers will not tell you about:

400IU of vitamin D3 three times per day
500mg of vitamin C three times per day
25mg of Zinc per day

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Then go about your city and hand them out to people with masks and fear on or in areas where many people congregate.

It can’t hurt and might save some lives.

#171 DON on 10.16.20 at 1:34 am

#48 Christopher Robin on 10.15.20 at 1:39 pm
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Makes one think…eh? ‘You think too much, such men are dangerous’

Does the bridge have an ocean view and can it be subdivided?

#172 Jackie Cohen on 10.16.20 at 2:11 am

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#173 Elon Fanboy on 10.16.20 at 2:15 am

Been keeping an eye on the pollsters/early voting Watchers on Twitter who correctly called the 2016 election….

Historically Dems like to early vote or use Vote by mail, and Republicans vote in person. Hence looking at vbm numbers gives a good indication of final results, based on recorded party affiliation.

The books are officially closed in Florida on early voting so the numbers are set.

The biggest takeaway?

The Democrats will be going into Election Day with a 134,000 voter registration advantage.

In 2016, the Democrats went into Election Day with a 337,000 lead… and lost.

Strong numbers also for Trump in early voting returns in Michigan , Wisconsin, Texas, Georgia, and Ohio.

#174 Ace Goodheart on 10.16.20 at 6:31 am

Re: #106 Piano_Man87 on 10.15.20 at 5:27 pm

“But viruses can also mutate into something more lethal. Mutations are after all, random. There is no guarantee. This is why no leading infectious disease docs are saying we should just wait until it’s not that dangerous and then let ‘er rip. It’s dangerous to say so.”

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True.

However, an air borne Corona virus cannot be controlled, without a full lock down of a population.

And each and every time such a virus gets into your population, you have to lock down again. China did this. And they are still doing it.

In North America, COVID is not under control, and never will be. We would have to lock everyone in their home for two weeks, and disinfect every single surface (it can live for a long time on a warm surface).

Vaccine hopes? This is a cruel joke being played on society.

They are apparently concentrating on the spike protein because it remains similar as the virus mutates.

You know they are running out of ideas when they decide to try to train your body’s immune system to attack proteins.

Proteins do all sorts of important things inside of you. If your immune system starts attacking them, you usually end up dead. The fact that they decided to work on an immune response to a protein shows me they are pretty desperate.

There are two ways this will end:

1. COVID becomes just another cold virus (like Spanish Flu eventually did)

2. COVID mutates into something deadly, and we lose about 1/2 or more of the world’s population.

There is no third option, at this point. There may have been back when it was confined to China, but China and the WHO decided to let it out. It then spread by airplane around the world, got into liberal democracies (which don’t do lock downs very well) and now it is well on its way to becoming endemic in the general human population.

#175 Sky on 10.16.20 at 7:08 am

Confinement facilities and mass property confiscation? In Canada? How shocking. Except that it’s not. This is exactly what they did (and worse!) to our own hardworking and innocent Japanese Canadians during WW2. So never say never.

Is Trudeau’s crazy COVID plan real? Or a conspiracy theory? Only time will tell. But here’s what we DO know:

1—The chattering classes (us) are yapping over this tract’s validity and plausibility rather than what we see happening around us. And which our media just glosses over.

They do NOT want our eyes on this ball— Our broken families and businesses. Suicides, depressions, economic black hole. Rule via govt decrees without parliamentary oversight. Dissenting doctors censored or arrested (UK). The deadly diseases left untreated. The loneliness and despair inside our nursing homes and hospitals.

2—This COVID plan has been designed to make you feel better. You read that right. Better. When the communist Chinese released the videos where they welded buildings shut with people howling inside them…did you not feel better during lockdown when you could still open YOUR door?

Going forward, as the govt imposes even more severe restrictions – and they will – then you’ll be much more accepting of them. Whew! We didn’t get dragged into the quarantine camps and still have our houses. See how that works?

Our ‘new normal’ is actually the ‘old normal.’ Throughout history subjugation and oppression have always been the norm. The gold standard. Czars, warlords, dynasties, monarchies, emperors,dictators and tribalism. Freedom is the exception.

And freedom is becoming more and more unpopular as our upcoming technocracy takes hold and the people embrace it. As the poet Eliot said : ” This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.”

#176 BillyBob on 10.16.20 at 7:15 am

#113 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.15.20 at 6:00 pm
#59 Ace Goodheart on 10.15.20 at 2:15 pm
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-unifor-says-fiat-chrysler-to-spend-15-billion-to-make-electric/

Looks like Windsor is getting the big electric vehicle building contract, including 2000 new jobs (to be given to laid off Unifor workers).
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Yep.
Canada is considered by the International business community as a stable country with a well educated workforce.
Having a universal medical is also a great plus.
Unlike the USA that is divided with an uncertain future right now.
ACA (Affordable Care Act) or ObamaCare is certain to be overturned by the Supreme Court, leaving millions with little or inadequate health care.
This, combined with high crime and political rivalries could lead to social unrest.
Not an environment favorable to attracting international companies.

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Has to be the weakest self-congratulation yet, when you compare the actual amount of foreign direct investment between the two countries. Particularly weird to be patting yourself on the back when Trudeau’s policies have FDI stagnating at best. I am doubtful the increasingly socialist bent and a currency under devaluation pressure will be a big draw for investors.

Sure, a new plant in Windsor – to partially replace the several that have closed. A drop in the bucket of the EV market. Good news, but a bit of context helps.

It’s great to be patriotic, but perhaps not to the point of self-delusion. I just hope one day the country will define itself by something more than “not being America” and “universal health care”.

#177 willworkforpickles on 10.16.20 at 7:24 am

Diabolical about face change will one day come to America but only unexpectedly in the future.
Nonsense laid out in point by point form such as the topic of today’s blog will not happen as the very time factor in itself of a step by step undertaking this bizarre would be snuffed out dead in its tracks before it could ever get started.
Insidious broad sweeping change of that level of stupid madness will not come to NA.
Sudden change of broad sweeping irreversible circumstance can be considered, an all together different matter future tense.
The world went to war, we went to war twice with a nation in the last century that Trump has given the green light now to militarize and carry their own weight.
A nation we went to war with twice in the past now left with US NATO accord nukes in their possession and control.
Don’t be too surprised (most will be) in those days to come when ……- sudden – ……. sudden change comes upon us.

#178 cto on 10.16.20 at 7:27 am

#141 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.15.20 at 7:39 pm
@#134 CL
“Record Real Estate Sales vs 7 months of Unemployment numbers
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Yep.
One wonders when the Unemployment “Lance” will burst the Real Estate “Boil”……”

Have recent events not clarified that “Employment” has nothing to do with the ability to go into debt for a million or so, or even paying it off…?

We Canadians are going to loose our savings and pensions prior to and housing crash.

#179 Dharma Bum on 10.16.20 at 8:15 am

SECURE THE PERIMITER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrt9J9QRaRk

#180 IHCTD9 on 10.16.20 at 8:24 am

Deleting a [email protected] emails is easy – it took a lot more work to discard a copy of the “Epoch Times” that appeared in my mailbox a while back. Took more time to see what it was – plus, by using the real mail and actual paper, I handled the thing a lot longer than I would have if it had showed up in my inbox. Buggers!

The folks who write this kind of stuff need to find a hobby to release all their excess energy. I suggest a YAMAHA Grizzly 700 SE or even a Raptor 700R if you have a lot of extra energy to eliminate. Whenever the urge to start typing hits, they could fire one of these babies up and hit the hardwood. Stab the throttle, set the front wheels aloft and carve some fresh 11’s into the forest floor. By the time they get back home and clean up – they’ll be too wiped to write any loopy emails or newspapers.

#181 Sky on 10.16.20 at 8:40 am

@ truefacts #82

“Does anybody else find the whole covid hysteria becoming tiresome???”

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Beyond tiresome. When doing a load of laundry feels like entertainment…

What day is this? Groundhog Day. What time is it? Time to crunch the covid numbers. Where am I? The Twilight Zone. What’ll I do today? Wrong question. Right question: What CAN’T I do today?

Apparently the word ‘lockdown’ is now too harsh. Too close to something actually resembling reality. The UK is using the euphemism ‘Circuit Breaker’ instead. Now doesn’t that sound so much gentler?

Come on Canada. Put on your wordplay hats. What should we call our lockdowns? Petite Pause? Healing Hiatus? Idle Interval? Now I’m stuck…

Mini _______????

#182 Q2 DUPLEX DRIVE on 10.16.20 at 9:02 am

Hey Garth –

I don’t have to go looking for silly Covid-19 virus porn. It’s available every day, 24/7 on the MSM. Soaring case counts! New restrictions! Concern over rising case counts! ad nauseum. Little mention, however, of hospitalisations or deaths. Both of these numbers are infinitesimal – you can look it up – and don’t play into the media narrative of Black Death 2.0 and we’re all gonna die.

#183 FriedEggs on 10.16.20 at 9:29 am

Time will tell.

Do a followup report in 6 months.

#184 BillyBob on 10.16.20 at 9:31 am

#181 Sky on 10.16.20 at 8:40 am

Apparently the word ‘lockdown’ is now too harsh. Too close to something actually resembling reality. The UK is using the euphemism ‘Circuit Breaker’ instead. Now doesn’t that sound so much gentler?

Come on Canada. Put on your wordplay hats. What should we call our lockdowns? Petite Pause? Healing Hiatus? Idle Interval? Now I’m stuck…

Mini _______????

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“Carefree Cessation”?

I mean, for government workers this isn’t even ironic.

Paging Dr. Orwell!

#185 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.16.20 at 9:33 am

@#178 cto
“Have recent events not clarified that “Employment” has nothing to do with the ability to go into debt for a million or so, or even paying it off…?”

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Really?

A major Canadian Bank will “Ninja Loan”?

No job, No credit No problem?

Dont be an idiot.

#186 Sara on 10.16.20 at 10:18 am

#168 SoggyShorts on 10.15.20 at 10:44 pm
#42 Sara on 10.15.20 at 1:26 pm
We’re all just rats in the manipulative social media maze. It’s not our fault, it’s our psychology.

Check out this fascinating documentary-drama titled “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix:
https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81254224
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Yikes. The whole time that I’m reading today’s post I’m thinking about what I watched on Netflix last night and before I can recommend it Sara already has.

If Sara and I are both promoting the same flick it might just be worth watching ;-)

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Into the late night vino Soggy? Must be for you to give me a ;)

But, yeah, anyone who uses social media or has kids (in other words everyone) should watch “Social Dilemma”.

#187 TurnerNation on 10.16.20 at 10:19 am

Hay guys it’s just a 28 day shut down in Ontario – Toronto, Ottawa, amitire?
So why this?
(Are you feeling healthier yet? You should be. Closing businesses makes us all healthier.)

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2020/10/doug-ford-force-delivery-apps-lower-fees-if-dont-do-it-themselves/

#188 FriedEggs on 10.16.20 at 10:23 am

Amazing that no one speaks of the ultimate decay on this planet – the spiritual one.

#189 David Hawke on 10.16.20 at 10:34 am

Oh my Great Turtle, so many reality deniers here who have failed to take TurnerNation seriously and think things will be former status quo in a couple years. :(

Good luck with that, eh!

#190 Doug in London on 10.16.20 at 10:59 am

As I said in my above post #22, while many of you are bitching, whining, and bellyaching about how governments have responded to COVID 19, I’ve been busily looking after my investments. Yes, that lowball offer I submitted for REI.UN was accepted. I may sell off some NPI which, at today’s higher price means a lower yield, but would give me a nice capital gain.

#191 Calgary Rip Off on 10.16.20 at 11:11 am

As a health professional, the worldwide response to this virus is pathetic.

The media isn’t helping. People become afraid and the economy contracts.

Its funny that Melania Trump treated her Covid with VITAMINS.

Would be nice if all physicians and media highlighted the reality that vitamin C and Vitamin D3 can help kick this China virus’s ass. Both are available right now. In addition to masks and handwashing, vitamin C and D3 should be promoted for all. Not one single life should be lost. And yet the pathetic media and doctors worrying about being sued are not providing this info.

As for myself, flu shot is on board. Vitamin C half life of 12 hours. Vitamin D3 6-15 days half life depending on blood levels. 1-2 grams of vitamin C when well daily. 3800 units D3 daily.

Simple. Effective. No reason to panic, even when dealing with Covid positive patients.

#192 Awake on 10.16.20 at 11:22 am

Hmmm. History shows that from time to time radical groups do get into power. Then the joke is on all of us. So what to do?
There is no harm in preparing for extreme circumstances. It’s legal and still an option to take a firearms safety course, get your PAL and buy a few used rifles. All legal and without tracing. Do this while the window remains open.

If things become truly awful I’m not turning over without a fight. Take a page from our neighbors in the US. But be Canadian about it.

Eh hmmm I am about to shoot a warning shot sorry, hope it does not hit anyone, but stay away.

#193 Don Guillermo on 10.16.20 at 11:25 am

#190 Doug in London on 10.16.20 at 10:59 am
As I said in my above post #22, while many of you are bitching, whining, and bellyaching about how governments have responded to COVID 19, I’ve been busily looking after my investments. Yes, that lowball offer I submitted for REI.UN was accepted. I may sell off some NPI which, at today’s higher price means a lower yield, but would give me a nice capital gain.
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Most of us can bitch, whine, and bellyache about how governments have responded to COVID 19 AND manage our finances. It’s all about multitasking baby ;>)

#194 Do we have all the facts on 10.16.20 at 11:38 am

Suppose a potential home buyer had $100,000 as a downpayment to purchase a $600,000 home when the mortgage rate was 3.0% for a five year term. Total cost of a $500,000 mortgage over five years would be $142,000 of which $72,625 would be principle. Total equity after five years would be $172,625 and loan outstanding would be $427,375.

Suppose mortgage rates declined to 2.0%. Based on recent price increases a $600,000 home would increase to a minimum of $650,000 and the total cost of a $550,000 mortgage over five years would be $139,740 of which $89,260 would be principle. Total equity after five years $189,260 and loan outstanding would be $460,740

Suppose mortgage rates declined to 1.0%. Based on recent price increases a $650,000 home would increase to $700,000 and the total cost of a $600,000 mortgage over five years would be $135,640 of which $108,340 would be principle. Total equity after five years would be $208,340 and loan outstanding would be 491,660.

The escalation of house prices triggered by a reduction of mortgages rates from 3.0% to 1.0 % increased the amount of loan outstanding after five years by $64,000

My point is that all lower interest rates have done is transfer wealth to the sellers of homes at the expense of
first time home buyers. As mortgage rates were reduced the price of homes increased disproportionately and the end result was a massive increase in the amount of loans remaining to be paid after the initial five year term expires.

I have seen very little discussion of the impact that price escalation is having on the amount of mortgage loans that will remain outstanding after five years. Canadians have come to believe that the escalation of house prices can continue without correction. This belief has resulted in the purchase of hundreds of thousands of overvalued homes on the assumption that increased carrying costs will be offset by future increases in equity.

Lower interest rates have become the bait that will result in billions of dollars being sucked out of the Canadian economy in years to come. The sad thing is that the
Victims of this scenario have no idea of their part in the transfer of wealth to the fortunate.

That is how all pyramid schemes work until the supply greater fools disappears.

#195 Ubul on 10.16.20 at 12:05 pm

When I was reading 1984 at the first time, it sounded far fetched, but it was published as a fiction. At that time the term conspiracy theory wasn’t used in daily conversations of people, all walks of life.

After 9/11 the Orwell story has been steadily changing from absurd fiction towards shocking reality, when it comes to loss of personal privacy, freedom of citizens to governments, using big brother enabling technologies, enterprises, mixed up with political parties and states.

A real analysis of this absurd sounding document would examine each claim, based on whether current laws, regulations would prohibit them to become reality.

Only after that would we be in a position to easily dismiss it – and at least we would have a list of changes to look for to raise red flags, if they were to happen.

When a presidential candidate was asked yesterday about mandatory covid vaccination, the answer was not a sounding refusal of the idea, it was skepticism, whether the state would have the means to execute it.

There, you have a red flag to watch for, already.
The bizarre message is probably not even a month old yet.

#196 cto on 10.16.20 at 12:27 pm

#185 crowdedelevatorfartz
“Really?
A major Canadian Bank will “Ninja Loan”?”
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you’re absolutely right!…
Not those guys…
That’s why they are loosing market share in a bigly way!
How do you explain the massive uptick in housing when we have double digit unemployment.????
BOC makes it super easy for all lenders to hand out $$$!
Right now housing should be contracting, but instead we have a BOC induced spending spree, and I’m pretty sure its all borrowed money…
You’re a pretty smart guy and i agree with most of you’re comments but it doesn’t seem like the BOC is going to let this, too big to fail sector die, its all Canada has now.
Also , every man, woman and child, as well as private and public institution has indebted itself beyond recovery, once again due to the Bank of Canada policies over the last 10 years.
The only way to go now is printing $$$ flat-out, zero or negative rates until investments like pension funds and saving are damaged beyond “F.U.B.R”!
That’s it….

#197 NSNG on 10.16.20 at 12:44 pm

Halloween is going to be fun this year.

Usually, every year at Halloween, signs go up saying, “Do not enter this store with a mask on.”

Now it is completely opposite. “Do not enter this store without a mask!”

All the crooks out there are going to need grief counseling from all the confusion

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Unintended consequence watch:

I wonder if there will be a crime spree this Halloween with crooks using covid masks?

#198 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.16.20 at 12:58 pm

@#196
cto
I’m thinking this real estate “uptick” is a glorified ” shell game”
Where one house / condo is sold to buy another condo/house.
Possibly to downsize the home and/or to loan money to the begging brats who fear missing out on a purchase.

Either way.
A prolonged drought oin the employment sector will crush this “rally”

New construction permits are dropping.
Condos are sitting empty and unloved.
This is just getting started.

#199 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.16.20 at 1:13 pm

@#181 Sky
Re euphemism for the Lockdown.

$$$$$$

Pandemic Pause?
Viral Vacation?
Economic Escape?

#200 jess on 10.16.20 at 1:36 pm

some are jubilant

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-of-canada-1.5764790

In a news release late Thursday, the central bank said it will close two programs known as the Bankers’ Acceptance Purchase Facility, or BAPF, and the Canada Mortgage Bond Purchase Program, or CMBPP, as of Oct. 26. The bank also said it will reduce the frequency of another program, known as the Term Repo operations, from once a week to every two weeks starting on Oct. 21.

“Canadian banks are flush with cash right now,” said Ian Pollick, head of fixed income at CIBC. He says Canadian banks are sitting on about $330 billion in cash and cash equivalents right now, 10 times the level they had before the pandemic.

547b -2020
Bank of Canada’s balance sheet has ballooned under COVID-19

The mortgage bond program accomplished this by having the central bank buy up billions of dollars worth of insured mortgages from lenders and move them on to its balance sheet, which makes it easier for lenders to go out and lend money to someone else.

#201 Russ on 10.16.20 at 1:38 pm

crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.16.20 at 1:13 pm

@#181 Sky
Re euphemism for the Lockdown.

$$$$$$

Pandemic Pause?
Viral Vacation?
Economic Escape?
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COVID Consideration

Wuhan Wait

Time-out For Us

#202 Diamond Dog on 10.16.20 at 1:48 pm

#87 Dummy on 10.15.20 at 3:52 pm

2 million deaths plausible in the U.S. …. if hospitals get overrun and elective surgery’s get put off, we could see as much as double the number of deaths caused by overloads to the health care system. All it might take is a million Covid19 related deaths, a misfiring economy and an over run health care system to see 2 million deaths caused both directly and indirectly by the virus itself. It’s more than possible that we will see a million deaths in the U.S. related to poor public policy by April of next year.

#165 Built to Spec on 10.15.20 at 10:20 pm

This thing about herd immunity… its the most low IQ idea going out there, put forth by a man who has already failed miserably at his job. Just compare China with the U.S. for a moment, ground zero no less. Their people have been walking around restriction free since May (less than 86,000 reported cases) and Trump is talking herd immunity as a way to go? The do nothing strategy likely means 2 million dead, potentially double that if you consider indirectly caused deaths from frozen access to the health care system. Even with a vaccine, you could still be looking at 2 million dead before herd immunity is reached… when one considers a vaccine that is only 65% effective and taken by only half of the population, if herd immunity is at all possible.

You know what is more possible? As herd immunity approaches, the virus mutates into a third, more dominant strain with a completely brand new Serotype and the quest for herd immunity starts all over again. It’s not like there isn’t already a beta corona virus that hasn’t done this before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacoronavirus

HKU1 has 22 strains since busting on the scene in 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_OC43

“Of 29 strains identified, none belong to the more ancient genotype A. Molecular clock analysis using spike and nucleocapsid genes dates the most recent common ancestor of all genotypes to the 1950s. Genotype B and C date to the 1980s. Genotype B to the 1990s, and genotype C to the late 1990s to early 2000s. The recombinant genotype D strains were detected as early as 2004.[5]” – link

22 strains, 29 strains, why so many strains, its what the virus does to reinfect hosts with widespread immunity to generate another pandemic. It’s mother nature’s answer or more specifically a beta corona virus’s answer to “herd immunity”.

In short, Beta corona virus’s have shown the ability to mutate into new strains specifically to re-infect hosts with prior herd immunity from old strains. IMPORTANT. Covid19 is a BETA corona virus. Same family, same GENUS. It’s close… like a Zebra to a horse, a donkey, a mule. The argument for herd immunity with a virus like this is numbing not just of the economic, health and death consequences, but because its unlikely to work at all.

#203 Diamond Dog on 10.16.20 at 2:51 pm

#191 Calgary Rip Off on 10.16.20 at 11:11 am

I couldn’t agree more. To quickly point out, you can add Zinc and Zinc Ionophores to your list. What the world will come to learn (eventually) is that all class 4 virus’s (not just Covid19) prey on sub-clinical and clinical deficiencies: Vitamin D, Zinc, Zinc Ionophores and Vitamin C. (most to least) sub-clinical and clinical Deficiencies in vitamin D are 42% among whites, 70% among browns and 80 to 85% among blacks over the winter months. The world population is thought to be 25% sub clinically deficient and deficient in Zinc. Zinc ionophores, if I had to hazard a back of the napkin guess, will show up in .5% of cases and Vitamin C relates more to extent of sickness and recovery since its highly important to circulation growth and repair & thrombosis, serious post infection complications. Can’t say for sure what the direct percentage would be with Vitamin C, definitely low single digits, 2% of cases perhaps. I would caution that Vitamin C does not play a role in battling the virus directly… its the secondary complications that arise from the disease itself that Vitamin C plays a significant role and of course, I’m not talking about synthetic Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) but a deficiency of the molecule in its natural form.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-vitamin-d-and-covid-19

Meanwhile, more studies and stats keep coming in, lately on Zinc in India (India is to my knowledge using it as a treatment now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIvRR_y5i-k

Btw, the results on these studies with Zinc and Vitamin D, if they were replicated in a drug trial, the company behind it would be the next Pfizer, Merck or Novartis, the numbers are that positive. Everyone is looking for that magical pill or shot presumably because $$$ is sexy. Just look after your immune systems already! It’s not sexy, take some supplements and wear a mask in a virus to keep the viral load down but it works! People can still go to work and schools and resume a normal life, letting a “responsible” government take it from there. Not sexy but not complicated either. Until the messaging changes from public officials, the response to this pandemic is as you say it is. Pathetic.

I can go on. Why stop there. We could call diabetes as global pandemic now. Just this year, the CDC released stats showing (10.36%) of U.S. adults have diabetes and a full third of the gen pop has prediabetes. A person diagnosed with type II at age 55 will have shortened their lifespan by 5 to 10 years. We need to start putting things into perspective, here. When we look at the top 10 causes of death:

https://halecraze.com/leading-causes-of-death/

It can be argued that 8 of 10 (more like 10 out of 10 but harder to prove) come right back to the food supply. The food manufacturing industry is the largest economic sector in the world. As a consequence, there is a tremendous amount of pressure on food and drug regulations. Government regs concentrate efforts on short term diseases such as salmonella but the long term health issues, since diets are so varied and long term consequences are so difficult to prove… there are easy arguments to be made that food manufacturers are getting away with murder. One needs only to look at the soaring rates of diabetes and added sugar in 3/4’s of the food supply regardless of the known causal effects to it for going back 50 years or more to know that its the case and that’s just one cause of death. Heart disease, cancer, obesity and on and on, its all related.

#204 David Greene on 10.16.20 at 7:56 pm

For those of you who are fuzzy on herd immunity basics, or just fuzzy (you dog you!), here’s a simplified, but good primer:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity-simulation-vaccine/?itid=hp-top-table-high

Oh, and for anyone touting the Sweden model, go do more research and see how many ways they sacrificed their elderly. Many were left without any medical care, or even abandoned entirely. Some were not even given an 02 tank when said tanks were plentiful. It was shameful.

#205 Doug in London on 10.16.20 at 10:32 pm

@Don Guillermo, post #193:
Or you can manage your investments and, instead of bitching and whining, get outside and actually enjoy life. Misery is optional. Governments will make mistakes, they always did and always will. Find out if and how you can actually profit from these mistakes. Now that’s what I call multitasking.