Deal with it

It’s not about real estate, stocks, getting obscenely rich, tax avoidance or even dogs.

This blog’s theme, in one word, is ‘balance’.

Lately a bunch of us have lost sight of this. The tilt is more in evidence every day. The site’s suffering ethically as a result. Maybe it’s because bully voices have pushed out the moderate ones. Perhaps it’s the toxic influence of the American election. It could be economic stress, job loss and recession. All understandable. This year has sucked from the get-go. The elephant in the room is a tiny little bug. A virus. Now it’s weaponized.

Flash back to March and April. When Covid burst on the scene turning into a global pandemic, the blog was overrun with amateur epidemiologists and armchair infectious disease experts telling us the body count would be in the millions – within weeks. The federal health minister said forty or sixty per cent of us would get it. And yet the recovery and mortality rates suggested something more akin to the flu. So was it really a balanced approach to shutter the entire economy?

I closed my building for six weeks, until the pandemic was better understood and I had ample evidence work-from-home is not a thing everybody’s good at. So we resumed operations, making sure employees had space and choices. That seemed balanced. People work better when they can yell at each other.

For context, I don’t know anybody with Covid. Today I am writing from beside the sea, in the Atlantic bubble. There are only three people in NS who are sick. Two of them got it from travelling outside Canada. One person in hospital. No deaths for a long time. Virtually all victims lived in one urban seniors’ residence – an avoidable tragedy. In short, there’s no virus here. Yet everyone is in masks. And the tourism, travel and hospitality sector has been nuked. It’s an unhinged time – commercial properties hitting the market as desperate owners bail out, and residential listings selling in hours, no showings, to desperate buyers thousands of kilometres away. No balance there.

Now it’s October. Month eight. Unemployment is 10%, four million people are on the dole, federal finances are shot, six in ten restaurants are closing and we have a second wave in Europe, growing infections in 30 US states and new shutdowns in Ontario, BC and Quebec. Globally 36 million people got the bug and a million have died. In the US the virus is the biggest single election issue, and again Monday night the president downplayed it, despite 210,000 American fatalities.

This disease, for which there is yet no cure or vaccine, is now politicized, divisive and socially destructive. An entire society has lost its balance. Blaming China and pulling out of the World Health Organization while doubting mask-wearing and rushing reopening are Trump’s ways of showing strength and defiance. Even after he got it. Democrats, public health officials and people terrified of disease are appalled. The polarization grows. ‘Don’t be afraid of this,’ says the president. And 210,000 families cannot believe their ears.

Now, about us.

Lately I’ve pushed back against those claiming this is, actually, a glorified flu or minimizing the victims because they’re mostly old, fat or compromised. The kids called it Boomer Remover. Then they started getting infected.

After eight months of something we thought would last six weeks, it’s clear this world was ripe for a pandemic – too many living too close, travelling too much, loving crowds and causing congestion. The virus will be here for months more, maybe years. If a vaccine magically appeared next week and worked, it would take a long, long time to administer to four or six billion people. Until herd immunity occurred, or Covid was contained quickly with effective therapies available to all of humanity, normal is further off than seemed possible in March.

How do we deal with this in a balanced way?

Not as Trump is, evidently. Ripping that mask off as he entered the White House  – infected – Monday night was all the evidence one needs. Not as Trudeau is doing, either. Doubling our national debt in one year with off-the-charts spending will shackle us long after C19 is a memory. The world had a chance to come together and fight a common foe, and we blew it. For some unknown reason, we’ve picked a sad, myopic, dipstick crop of leaders.

So you railing against lockdowns, face coverings or infectious socialism won’t change a thing. Dismissing victims as weak or inconsequential only diminishes you. Ignoring the threat will probably make it worse. Last longer. Cost more.

When this regional bubble descended, trapping me inside (no coming back in without a quarantine), I hated it. There are colleagues I can’t see, a home I can’t visit, clients and friends I want time with. But there are no deaths here now in four provinces, no community spread, no hint of more restrictions, no red zones. Schools open. Restaurants. Sports. Gyms. Hotels. Bars.

My views have changed. Maybe it’s the Screech.

                  

Apparently a lot of people hated yesterday’s survey. Tough. Here are the results, based on 4,746 total responses.

(click to enlarge:)

230 comments ↓

#1 conan on 10.06.20 at 3:49 pm

You are kind of lucky to be living in the Atlantic bubble.
Seems like a good thing compared to city living in Ontario.

#2 Felix on 10.06.20 at 3:51 pm

Oh, you can see the angst that poor dumb canine must feel, confronted face-to-face with yet another creature with more than double its own pathetic IQ.

https://www.quora.com/How-smart-are-snails

#3 Donmac55 on 10.06.20 at 3:52 pm

Well, the virus has a survival rate of 98%? The good thing is no one is dying of old age in 2020, my portfolio is looking well, and I’m still gainfully employed…. for now.

It’s the little things that you take stock of, and of course, this humble blog.

#4 Northshore guy on 10.06.20 at 3:52 pm

Looking at the results people have a very balanced view of the current situation, so I a guess it’s mostly just the minority with extreme views that trouble Garth with their comments. Other people seat silent and enjoy Garth’s wisdom.

#5 KNOW IT ALL on 10.06.20 at 3:54 pm

This is just so unreal……. The most prominent leaders of the free world – how reckless! how selfish! how ignorant!

Just disgusting on another level!!!

Watch “Members Of Trump’s Inner Circle Test Positive For Covid-19 | Morning Joe | MSNBC” on YouTube

https://youtu.be/mCFt2BtuopA

#6 jal on 10.06.20 at 3:58 pm

WINNING MOVE
Trump halts negotiation on stimulus bill.
Markets fall on the news.

#7 Brian Ripley on 10.06.20 at 3:59 pm

Meanwhile Toronto housing prices grind higher with average townhouse prices leading the way:

http://www.chpc.biz/toronto-housing.html

Notice the mixed message from the total residential sales plot. The higher highs and lower lows could be a serious mixed message moving into 4Q 2020.

The Toronto vs Vancouver housing comparison chart is up as well:
http://www.chpc.biz/compare-toronto–vancouver.html

HIGHER PRICES
44% more for a SF Detached in VAN
24% more for a Town House in VAN
10% more for a Condo in VAN

1.4 more Listings in TOR than VAN
3.0 x more Sales in TOR than VAN
Monthly Absorption Rate TOR:VAN = 2.2

Ratio of SFD to Strata
1 VAN SFD = 1.8 VAN Town Houses
1 TOR SFD = 1.6 TOR Town Houses
1 VAN SFD = 2.4 VAN Condos
1 TOR SFD = 1.9 TOR Condos

10 Year SFD Inflation Rate:
​VAN = 116% and TOR = 122%

#8 Greg STEWART on 10.06.20 at 4:03 pm

You really need to be clear about dying WITH the WuFlu and dying FROM Novel Corona Virus #19. There is a significant difference. Mostly it is the over 75 Booomers with 1.5 co factors or more. Obesity is indeed one of them among many many more.

#9 Millennial 1%er on 10.06.20 at 4:03 pm

Working from home for over a year now… it sucks but there is no way I would have been able to find a job that pays this well without selling out to an american company.

The only reason companies are turning remote is because they can’t compete with FAANG for talent in seattle, san fran, ny. NOT because of COVID. Lots of Canadians and Argentinians who love their family too much to avoid leaving them alone in their less than ideal countries. I.E. if you work in a field with an extreme shortage of talent which can be remote (tech) remote is here to stay. It’s gone so far that vancouver was advertised to Amazon as a great place to create offices due to our “cheap engineers” (yep, we have high immigration to thank for that). Otherwise, why would companies hire someone from remote? Wage slaves work harder when they can’t sneak a few beers during working hours. Most of my non tech friends are back on their commutes, but all my tech friends are still playing WoW at 1pm.

Here are the remote first companies hiring in Canada
Shopify – tech (this was recent)
Hashicorp – tech
Marqueta – tech
Gitlab – tech
Auth0 – tech

Why aren’t FAANG remote first? Because they can afford not to be.

If any blog dogs know of any 1b companies that are remote first that aren’t tech, let me know.

#10 Steven Nicolle on 10.06.20 at 4:03 pm

Let it out GT! This was the best post I have read of all of them. You just summarized the entire year! Be thankful for the time being you live down east. There is a heck of a lot of people who would trade places with you in a heartbeat.

#11 TurnerNation on 10.06.20 at 4:04 pm

An fitting and work-friendly cartoon. We are adrift in the Covid Sea…who’s steering us – have a look.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejp2rJaXkAUpvs5?format=jpg&name=small

#12 SunShowers on 10.06.20 at 4:06 pm

Although this is not a virus blog, you do a very good job of filtering the huge amounts of noise from the right and the left surrounding this virus, distilling everything down to very precise points which are based in sound evidence, and expounding on those points rather than the noise as a whole.

A much better job at level-headed analysis than most professional news media, anyway. That must be why everyone is yelling at you in the comments.

#13 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.20 at 4:10 pm

Wow, almost 5,000 responses!
Surprised about the Biden support.
Obviously, the silent majority does not agree with the comment section.
Just wonder how many have changed their minds after the recent spectacle by Trump.
Even Wallstreet is warming up to Biden.
Very informative.
Thanks, Garth

#14 Nixter on 10.06.20 at 4:10 pm

COVID-19 case data: All Ontario

Graphs and tables of COVID-19covid 19 data by status, demographics and number of tests.

Get data about long-term care homes or schools and child care centres.
Status of cases

55,362
Total cases
46,906
Resolved
2,987
Deaths
192
Hospitalized
41
In ICU
26
In ICU on a ventilator

Numbers above were last updated on October 6, 2020, at 10:30 a.m.

Ontarrrio, yep a killer at large, weekly cancer deaths outnumber this sucker, and the beat goes on.
We are nothing more than racist, climate poopers, puss bags of pathogens, viruses and bacteria ,in the eyes
the self anointed, technocratic globalists.
I feel really bad for my grandchildren, oh vey , the brainwashing they will have to endure.
Shoot me know Peg.

#15 Toronto_CA on 10.06.20 at 4:11 pm

I suggest you read Masque of the Red Death, Garth.

The bubble works until it doesn’t, and then you’ve just got to deal with the entire ordeal from scratch. Your first instinct about lockdowns was right. They do more harm than good.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-covid-19-update-tuesday-1.5751845?fbclid=IwAR0MlX8TZw32fuUMgxug01jG68ji8d6a4Ql0bQ1prOBT4IrnDXCxTSPqcbI

“And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.”

#16 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.06.20 at 4:17 pm

Garth, when you say your views have changed, do you refer to the extent of the lockdowns happening in most of the country? Can’t really tell which views you’re getting at or what part of them have changed. Honestly just curious.

#17 Sara on 10.06.20 at 4:18 pm

Sad news. Rolling Stone magazine’s deemed 8th greatest guitarist (in its list of 100) passed away today.

RIP Eddie. Lots of awesome memories rocking to Van Halen back in the day.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/eddie-van-halen-cancer-death-1.5752615

#18 Dolce Vita on 10.06.20 at 4:18 pm

“For some unknown reason, we’ve picked a sad, myopic, dipstick crop of leaders…

Maybe it’s the Screech.”

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NO, it’s not the Screech.

#19 Peter Courtney on 10.06.20 at 4:19 pm

FFS Garth, covid related deaths is not the same as people dying from Covid!

Are they less dead? – Garth

#20 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 4:21 pm

The globe this morning published a story which had, among other things, a statement to the effect that Ontario’s hospital system was “in crisis” and soon to be “overwhelmed” with COVID cases.

I went online and had a look. The information is freely available to anyone who has a cell phone and can use “google”.

Here it is:

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

192 people in hospital.

41 in ICU

26 in ICU on a ventilator.

Then I did another search, to determine Ontario’s hospital bed capacity. Here is what I found:

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/56688/ontario-significantly-expands-hospital-capacity-to-prepare-for-any-covid-19-outbreak-scenario

If the above is accurate, Ontario should have 24,559 acute care beds, 3504 critical care beds and 2811 of those critical care beds are equipped with a ventilator.

So I start thinking, this newpaper story cannot be accurate.

There are only 192 people in hospital with COVID in all of Ontario, and we have 24,559 available acute care beds.

We have 2811 beds available with ventilators, and only 26 people who actually need them.

There does not seem to be accurate information online as to how many of those beds are taken up by people who DO NOT have COVID.

However, if the globe article is accurate, that would mean that 24,367 acute care beds are either available in Ontario, or are taken up by people who are suffering from something other than COVID.

That really begs the question, what is going on with those 24,367 acute care beds?

If they are all taken up, by whom? Suffering from what?

Based on a quick google search, it appears that almost nobody is in hospital with influenza right now.

So I am really not seeing this “crisis” in the Ontario hospital system as a result of 192 COVID patients needing hospital admission.

This sort of reporting is what turns people off of the whole COVID situation. It is really fake news. There is no crisis.

There was a crisis in that millions of people all decided they wanted to get tested, and they all went and lined up outside of testing centers. Pictures posted on social media showed that there was little effort to physical distance, though most people in line did seem to be wearing masks.

But the question was of course, if you line people up like this, and say one in every hundred are a positive test, are you not just creating a “superspreader” event in the form of a COVID testing line?

Hence, testing appointments.

At any rate, we seem to have a problem now even with the MSM creating “fake news” stories about COVID, including telling people that Ontario’s hospital system is in “crisis” when that seems very far fetched considering there are only 192 people hospitalized with COVID in all of Ontario, and about 3/4 of those people appear to not even be that sick.

#21 Bob on 10.06.20 at 4:22 pm

And yet the recovery and mortality rates suggested something more akin to the flu. So was it really a balanced approach to shutter the entire economy?

Why do you keep saying things like this? Covid is an order of magnitude worse than the flu. According to the WHO:

While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%.[1]

Even the Spanish Flu had a death rate in the neighbourhood of 2.5%.[2] So Covid is worse than that too.

[1] https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-similarities-and-differences-covid-19-and-influenza#:~:text=Mortality%20for%20COVID%2D19,quality%20of%20health%20care.

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291398/

The quoted text referenced a view expressed here in March (still held by many). Now that you have made a fool of yourself, read the rest of the post – Garth

#22 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.20 at 4:22 pm

4 Northshore guy on 10.06.20 at 3:52 pm
Looking at the results people have a very balanced view of the current situation, so I a guess it’s mostly just the minority with extreme views that trouble Garth with their comments. Other people seat silent and enjoy Garth’s wisdom.
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Agree.
But the same thing happens in Elections.
People don’t vote and then complain about the outcome.
Opinions are like votes, they are never wasted.

#23 Sara on 10.06.20 at 4:26 pm

Forgot to add this link to my last comment. For those who might enjoy a trip down memory lane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9r-NxuYszg&ab_channel=Hazardteam

#24 dave on 10.06.20 at 4:29 pm

Why would Trump halt stimulus talks? This can stall the economy and this is a big negative against his administration???

Roll-the-dice, hardball, macho man move. Elect me or I’ll kill us all… – Garth

#25 Dolce Vita on 10.06.20 at 4:31 pm

The one thing I have noticed about humanity for decades when something goes wrong is this:

They go from 0° to 180°, the exact opposite thinking it will fix all.

As time progresses and wisdom prevails, they return to:

90°

where they should have gone to in the first place.

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Inviolable Law of Human Nature when things go awry.

#26 FreeBird on 10.06.20 at 4:33 pm

“A sense of clarity can sometimes be the result of restricted vision. At such times, any sense of dawning confusion is paradoxically a sign of moving toward new understanding.”

I hope for our world the last is true. In meantime maybe we can allow freedom of views and learn to at least calmly, respectfully agree to disagree. Attacking the speaker doesn’t negate the message or view. Harder to understand and debate the issue and explain why. I think the more too many feel shut down the longer division will exist. To me it looks to get worse before better. Good luck to all of us. All loss of life and suffering matter.

#27 Blobby on 10.06.20 at 4:39 pm

@#19 “FFS Garth, covid related deaths is not the same as people dying from Covid!”

I love this fox news/spanky logic. Using this logic, no-one ever dies from being shot or dies from a car crash.

They died from things related to being shot (like losing blood, etc)… They didnt die from actually being shot!

The hoops people will jump through to defend Spanky, or to suggest the virus is somehow not all that bad, is beyond laughable.

#28 Simon Chalkland on 10.06.20 at 4:40 pm

It is clear that historically the world outside the American republican bubble will remember the only positive thing about Trump’s one term in office is his covid-19 test.

#29 Sydneysider on 10.06.20 at 4:43 pm

Trump’s remark was probably inspired by Richi Sunak’s (UK finance minister) remark last week that British people should not live in fear. In the UK it was praised (Blitz spirit and all that); in the US, condemned.

#30 Whinipegger on 10.06.20 at 4:45 pm

“ For some unknown reason, we’ve picked a sad, myopic, dipstick crop of leaders.”

And therein lies the problem. We have come to detest politicians so much that the kids with potential to develop into leaders see politics on par with garbage collection. Name a Canadian politician that appears to have real leadership potential and a significant grasp of the issues and a path to achieve the vision. Forget interest rates, real estate values, Covid or debt load. With the current crop of political leadership options we are pooched.

#31 Bob on 10.06.20 at 4:45 pm

The quoted text referenced a view expressed here in March (still held by many). Now that you have made a fool of yourself, read the rest of the post – Garth

I did read your entire post. (As I always do, by the way.) What I don’t see anywhere in there is clarity. Perhaps it’d be helpful if you made an unambiguous statement that you believe that COVID-19 is significantly more dangerous than the flu. It would also be nice to know exactly what you think a “balanced” approach to the virus would be. (As opposed to the wacky approaches of our dipstick leaders.)

#32 Sail away on 10.06.20 at 4:45 pm

“Flash back to March and April. When Covid burst on the scene turning into a global pandemic, the blog was overrun with amateur epidemiologists and armchair infectious disease experts telling us the body count would be in the millions – within weeks. ”

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….and, conversely, at least one lonely voice plaintively saying:

“hmmm- the results from the infected cruise ships don’t seem to indicate that…”

…while madly loading his portfolio with protective equipment stock.

#33 Derric on 10.06.20 at 4:47 pm

I read your blog everyday. I really enjoy reading it and just wanted to let you know.
Thank you.

#34 BSD El Presidente on 10.06.20 at 4:47 pm

#24 dave on 10.06.20 at 4:29 pm

Why would Trump halt stimulus talks? This can stall the economy and this is a big negative against his administration???

Roll-the-dice, hardball, macho man move. Elect me or I’ll kill us all… – Garth
…..

I’m taking the whole universe down.. daddy would be proud

#35 Handsome Ned on 10.06.20 at 4:48 pm

I watched a snail crawl along the nose of a dog. This is my dream; this is my nightmare. Crawling, slithering along the nose of a dog and surviving.

I remember when I was a volunteer for the conservatives passing out pamphlets about balanced budgets and small government. Seems a thousand centuries ago. this man came running after us and was crying. They had put everyone in lockdown and destroyed millions of jobs. I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out.

And I realized like i was shot…like I was shot with a diamond. And I thought, My God the genius of that. The will to do that. Perfect genuine, complete, crystaline pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they couldstand that these were not monsters. These were men, trained cadres. These men would had families, who had children, who were filled with love, but they had the strength…the strength to do that. The horror…the horror.

#36 Penny Henny on 10.06.20 at 4:50 pm

Garth your ‘click to enlarge’ for the results makes it even smaller on my lap top.

Click again. Or get your grandchildren to assist. – Garth

#37 TurnerNation on 10.06.20 at 4:55 pm

The election? Look the news – aka Predictive Programming – already is selling an idea of the UN running USA. Probable, are already.

That’s a reeel nice country you got there. Would be a shame if something happened to it.

https://archive.is/TdAHw
Opinion
America May Need International Intervention
Even Democrats may find it hard to imagine, but the “leader of the free world” would benefit from United Nations oversight.

#38 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 4:55 pm

FFS Garth, covid related deaths is not the same as people dying from Covid!

Are they less dead? – Garth

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He’s talking about comorbidities

Many people who “died” of COVID, already had another terminal health condition.

So they were going to die anyway.

COVID didn’t kill them.

A lot of the COVID death attribution is similar to a situation where someone is driving a car, hits a wall and is killed instantly. At the time they hit the wall, they had COVID.

So they technically died of COVID, because if they had not been sick at the time of driving into the wall, they probably would have lived slightly longer, before succumbing to the massive internal injuries suffered when they tried to digest an engine block through their intestine.

But they would have died, anyway……..

We all die anyway. Of something. Stop defending the indefensible. – Garth

#39 Loonie Doctor on 10.06.20 at 4:58 pm

#8 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 4:21 pm
The globe this morning published a story which had, among other things, a statement to the effect that Ontario’s hospital system was “in crisis” and soon to be “overwhelmed” with COVID cases.

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I agree with you. I am an ICU doc. There is no crisis at this point in time due to patients with Covid. Our response to Covid has also created a crisis.

Infection rates amongst the general population are an easy metric. However, it is hospitalization and particularly severe illness that either causes ICU intervention and/or death that really matters. That is really really low. Even in “scary Ontario”. The big fear would be overcoming capacity. We are nowhere even close to that at present. In fact, most places are still at lower than normal capacity and we have built more room on top of that.

I do understand the fear approach to try and promote infection control compliance on the population. It is also politically better to not be blamed for some deaths and to increase governmental dependence/power at the same time. However, I really worry about the other side. Poverty, isolation, and joblessness have severe health consequences and they affect a much younger population over a longer time span than the high-risk-from-Covid group who often have a more limited lifespan and quality-of-life-years left. Fear has stopped people in the high-risk group from seeking medically necessary care. Hospital slowdowns have also done the same thing for those who do. Our biggest crisis, I believe, is how the heck do we clear the backlog of delayed care, worsened outcome from delayed care, and the socioeconomic crisis (major determinant of health that will linger) that we have created. It is easier to connect the dots from Covid infection to death than poverty, isolation, joblessness to death. Hence, the political appeal – but I think it is wrong. I am pretty sure that the family of the person who dies from mental health issues will be at least as upset as the family who loses an elderly loved one. The connection is just not as simple and therefore politically expedient.

I am not trying to be too critical. I think if we had let Covid run unchecked, we would have overwhelmed the system with tragic results. See Italy. It is tough to balance because there is a delay between rising cases and hospitalization at which point the horse could be out of the barn. The issue is complex with reasonable people can come to different conclusions – hence the politics. However, I do agree that we should be looking at data to cut through those politics and make rational balanced decisions.
-LD

#40 Doug t on 10.06.20 at 4:58 pm

The world is a very very angry place right now – what happened to trying for peace, love and understanding?
If society can’t or will not chill out then we are going to have some MAJOR event (not Covid) that will cause utter mayhem

#41 Oakville Rocks! on 10.06.20 at 4:58 pm

#17 & #23 Sara

Respect.

Van Halen I & II changed rock and guitar playing forever.

Sad day but the music and spirit live on.

#42 Billy Buoy on 10.06.20 at 5:02 pm

As Donnie once again proved for the infinite time…

There are NO MARKETS OR PRICE DISCOVERY.

All there is, is STIMULUS.

NOTHING ELSE. ZERO. NADDA. NIL.

Keep thinking your a genius folks if you or your advisor think they have a clue about what really happens in the world of finance and business.

Just pay attention to our overlords…aka the bankers and pray for more STIMULUS to keep this shit show alive as long as possible, keeping you in debt and the 1% getting richer.

Nice “game” isn’t it.

#43 AM in MN on 10.06.20 at 5:08 pm

Some small silver linings to this situation, given that the deaths, while all sad, still only make up a very small part of the population.

Family matters in times of crises, many other things don’t. It’s amazing how quickly one can do without pro sports or cruises or Vegas or Disneyland….even though those things will come back eventually.

Food and essential medicine, causing people to ask where they come from and how rugged is the supply chain.

This will take years to reverse the mindset of people. Once people get used to wearing a mask while they drive or walk outside alone, the fear doesn’t dissipate easily.

If people don’t take so many conveniences of the modern world for granted, and realize how fast they can be lost, that isn’t a bad thing. Especially being away from friends and family for so long makes you appreciate them more. Think of the soldiers in WWII going years without seeing family, and no video calls!

From yesterday….

#180 Linda on 10.06.20 at 1:30 pm
#81 ‘the Jaguar’ – I don’t believe Latino/Black voters will want to vote for Trump. Between the lack of Covid action, the separation of immigrant families AND the recently reported instances of immigrant women in custody being sterilized ‘for medical reasons’ one could argue that the results of the above policies collectively form a case that genocide is occurring in the USA.

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You obviously don’t speak to many, or haven’t read Biden’s 110 page manifesto for economic destruction.

Lots of Latino small businesses owned by people who don’t need any lectures from wealthy white liberals on socialism.

For those paid well by some level of govt., check out how much the average school teacher, Uni Prof, Doctor or Nurse makes in Venezuela or Cuba, or Mexico or Argentina. Do you think they are less intelligent or hardworking than you? Probably not, but most of them supported socialism until it was (an is) too late.

Would you support a 50% or 70% devaluation of your currency? (Hint …you already are!)

#44 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 5:08 pm

“People work better when they can yell at each other”

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That explains why you let people like sail away ponzipilates and their ilk get away with their comments right? lol

#45 Dolce Vita on 10.06.20 at 5:12 pm

Canada still doing fine relative to other countries, new cases, 7-day average, LOG plot:

https://i.imgur.com/lLUtgcs.png

Oh and on deaths, Canada doing comparatively well (yes some cause for concern as deaths lag new cases by 2 to 8 weeks, still low for now) 7-day average, LOG chart:

https://i.imgur.com/Hgrkxn5.png

#46 Brett in Calgary on 10.06.20 at 5:13 pm

https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

Worth a watch. COVID’s main weakness is it’s age-dependency – we can exploit this more than we are.

#47 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 5:13 pm

#17 Sara on 10.06.20 at 4:18 pm
Sad news. Rolling Stone magazine’s deemed 8th greatest guitarist (in its list of 100) passed away today.

RIP Eddie. Lots of awesome memories rocking to Van Halen back in the day.

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Calgary Stampede, way back, I was 12 and on my first date, chaperoned by my uncle as he drove us to the premiere of a strange and exciting theatrical release called “Star Wars”. On summer vacation from BC, I was reluctantly set up with cute neighbourhood girl in the NW of town. My uncle was a cool guy. He drove us to the show on 8th Ave in his ’70s Camero with a big hood scoop and fat mags. He was the uncle who also gave me my first guitar, a steel string acoustic that cut my fingertips. About halfway there he says, “Belly rubs, listen to this…” A winding, coiling, guitar riff shrieked through the speakers. It was insane. It was unreal. I was listening to a bootleg cassette of Eruption and of course You Really Got Me flowed right after. My date looked anxious. I was thrilled. The music was spiritual (being raised on Slim Whitman and Roy Clark). My uncle was a cargo agent at the airport and privvy to all sorts of new gadgets and ideas from the international jet set. I felt privileged. After the track ended, I asked over the motor roar, “Who is that?!?” I thought he answered, “Van Hauling.” What an odd name for a band, I thought.

Yes, Star Wars was freeking awesome. We felt like we witnessed history being made. And I kissed her once, on her doorstep, back home.

Rip EVH

#48 Reximus on 10.06.20 at 5:16 pm

“Why would Trump halt stimulus talks? This can stall the economy and this is a big negative against his administration???

Roll-the-dice, hardball, macho man move. Elect me or I’ll kill us all… – Garth””

how can people still fall for his overused and lame negotiation ‘strategery’? He’ll declare the talks are back on by thursday. Repubs know this BS no-deal stance is election suicide.

#49 kommykim on 10.06.20 at 5:16 pm

RE:#24 dave on 10.06.20 at 4:29 pm
Why would Trump halt stimulus talks? This can stall the economy and this is a big negative against his administration???

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Some of the drugs given to Trump to combat COVID can temporarily make him even more unhinged than he already is.

#50 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.20 at 5:17 pm

I agree with you. I am an ICU doc. There is no crisis at this point in time due to patients with Covid. Our response to Covid has also created a crisis.

Infection rates amongst the general population are an easy metric. However, it is hospitalization and particularly severe illness that either causes ICU intervention and/or death that really matters. That is really really low. Even in “scary Ontario”. The big fear would be overcoming capacity. We are nowhere even close to that at present. In fact, most places are still at lower than normal capacity and we have built more room on top of that.
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So if you’re not busy, why don’t you just go home.
Don’t collect a salary when you’re not productive.
The money could go to the caretakers and nurses, who are always 100% busy.

#51 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.06.20 at 5:23 pm

The WHO just reported they believe 10% of the world’s population may have been infected already. With just over 1M deaths, that makes for an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.1% Let’s pretend they’re wrong and 5% of the planet has been infected. Suddenly the IFR is, gasp, 0.2%

Explain that, doomers.

#52 Sara on 10.06.20 at 5:26 pm

#31 Bob “It would also be nice to know exactly what you think a “balanced” approach to the virus would be. (As opposed to the wacky approaches of our dipstick leaders.)”

That’s the challenging issue for our leaders for sure. How to strike that balance. Our economy won’t survive another lockdown, but neither can we allow the virus to run amok. I think balance is what the Ontario Liberal government is trying to achieve, with a more targeted approach to the second wave, than was the last go around.

#53 Jay on 10.06.20 at 5:28 pm

Our provincial government has tried to keep things balanced. They make guidelines and policies, problem is that when it filters down, stuff gets added because everyone wants to show how they are the safest, and signal to the world that they are doing extra to “keep us safe”

For example my company takes this policy and misinterprets it, adding on more restrictions and ridiculous rules such as mandatory masks in the bathroom alone, wearing masks while running on the treadmill at the gym (alone) and so on. All theater.

Our school board makes kids in Kindergarten wear masks all day, even outside at recess. Our teacher calls and says our son doesn’t listen to instructions and needs to get assessed. I asked what was up and he says he cant understand or hear her when she’s at the front with a mask and face shield on and wont come near him to help. Half the kids are never there because they coughed once in school and got kicked out for 14 days. Sounds like we have already sacrificed the younger generations education in the name of fear.

If we can get past the virtue signaling and Covid theater and just focus on the basics that actually make a difference, like hand washing, staying home when your sick, sneezing into your sleeve, not gathering in massive crowds and not touching your face, instead of masking kids and healthy people at an empty mall in areas with no cases, this will all go by a hell of a lot faster.

#54 Sara on 10.06.20 at 5:30 pm

Typo alert. I meant to say the Ontario Conservative government. Had Trudeau on the brain.

#55 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 5:31 pm

#38 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 4:55 pm

He’s talking about comorbidities

Many people who “died” of COVID, already had another terminal health condition.

So they were going to die anyway.

COVID didn’t kill them.

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Comorbidities are not terminal conditions. “Morbidity” means disease state. These people had diseases that if managed, would not be killing them any time soon. Type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol, asthma, hypertension are not terminal diseases. Sheesh.

#56 Goodbye Toronto on 10.06.20 at 5:31 pm

I’ve luckily received a promotion by an oil company to work with the Country Director in one of the largest frontier basins in South America. The pay is more than what I would get currently working at Alberta or Newfoundland.
Canada is a dying, post-national anti-gender state. You better plan on leaving. It’s not a country for men like me. Toronto is even worse, with no good jobs for men.

I plan on enjoying my life living in a gated community, all-expense paid for by the American oil company.

So long Canada! Good luck dealing with your gender problem!

#57 willworkforpickles on 10.06.20 at 5:36 pm

Trump is playing with the markets with a likely bluff.
It wouldn’t be a surprise if he works out a stimulus plan 10 days before the election to super boost it and bump up his ratings in the 11th hour.

#58 some guy on 10.06.20 at 5:38 pm

The terrible leaders were voted in because the general population is not much better. People like to blame the goverment but we should really be blaming our culture and ourselves for this situation.

#59 Linda on 10.06.20 at 5:39 pm

Regarding balance, I’m wondering if society will take this opportunity to change how we live moving forward? Regardless of how I feel about how we got here, I must admit that some of the changes I’ve had to make in how I live have been beneficial ones. Call me thankful:)

#60 yvr_lurker on 10.06.20 at 5:40 pm

When this regional bubble descended, trapping me inside (no coming back in without a quarantine), I hated it. There are colleagues I can’t see, a home I can’t visit, clients and friends I want time with. But there are no deaths here now in four provinces, no community spread, no hint of more restrictions, no red zones. Schools open. Restaurants. Sports. Gyms. Hotels. Bars.

My views have changed. Maybe it’s the Screech.
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Great post today and I agree fully with what you are saying. Everyone needs to cooperate to do their part (and follow the public health guidelines) as it will keep the baseline level low and mitigate the spread. No need for Covid conspiracy theories and fighting about civil liberties with mask-wearing. In a democracy we can’t kill the spread as in China by having the army knock on everyone’s door and give them a Covid test, forceably hauling off the sick to quarantine. By everyone being mindful of the existence of the damned bug and doing their part to control it, allows the economy to function as normally as possible under the circumstances (however, recognizing that some industries are largely pooched for the moment….airlines, conventions, bars, strip clubs, tourism, live sports…). Hopefully, our T2 leader will very much slow the rate at which we are handing out $$$. Too bad we don’t have someone like Merkel leading our country, who has scientific training and is smart, but pragmatic. We are likely in for a long haul with this and I don’t have faith that there will be a sudden panacea with some miraculous vaccine. Finding a very effective vaccine for this will be like climbing Meru. Indeed, we need to just deal with it.

#61 AB Boxster on 10.06.20 at 5:41 pm

Here are the stats for Alberta:

Every year approximately 25,000 people die from any number of causes. Lets get the sympathy for all of these people, out of the way right now.
It’s certainly sad when deaths occur.
But I’m pretty sure none of you actually spend any time mourning most of these dead, unless of course they are personally known to you.

People die.
We all die.
Your turn some day.
My turn some day.
If you have not figured this out yet, then you have a big surprise coming.

So every day approximately 68 people die in the province.

To date 280 people have died in Alberta from Covid related infection.

74% of deaths had more than 3 comorbidity conditions.
18% had more than 2 conditions.
5% had more than 1 condition.
3% of the 280, or to be precise exactly 8 people have die no other comorbidity.

Average age for COVID cases that died is 82 years (range: 27-105)

FYI. Comorbidities are as follows:

Diabetes, Hypertension, COPD, Cancer, Dementia, Stroke, Liver cirrhosis, Cardiovascular diseases (including IHD and Congestive heart failure), Chronic kidney disease, and Immuno-deficiency.

So then how many have died (or are likely to die in the future) from the following:

-inability to get vital treatment because we shut down the entire health care system waiting for tens of thousands of sick that never appeared.

– suicide due to mental health issues such as job loss, family breakdown, business loss, etc., etc.

I guess these deaths don’t count.

So to be clear, we have shut down the entire economy, killed whole industries, decimated small businesses (threatening to do so again) crushed provincial and government treasuries like forever, frightened the entire population needlessly, caused massive mental health and societal issues for years to come, all because 8 healthy people have died in Alberta.

Yup. Makes perfect sense.

#62 Wait There on 10.06.20 at 5:41 pm

Everyone wanted Harper out till he was out and then we got Mr. Socks.

Could this turn out to be the same with Biden? Everyone wants Trump out till he is out?

History repeats? Or does it?

Let me guess….it is different this time?

#63 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 5:44 pm

#44 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 5:08 pm
“People work better when they can yell at each other”
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That explains why you let people like sail away ponzipilates and their ilk get away with their comments right? lol

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Without fangs or claws, inquisitiveness, adaptability, and consolidating divergent opinions became our species’ strength. I always lend an ear to opposing opinions, and calculate my direction accordingly. Counterweights keep a whirlybird in flight.

#64 Smartalox on 10.06.20 at 5:47 pm

That Atlantic bubble sounds like a great thing.

With 2020 being the year of hindsight, one might come to the conclusion that Covid-19 has been less of a pandemic, and more a series of concurrent epidemics.

Infection controls (localization, testing, contact tracing and treatment) as well as closures, compensation, CERB, etc. could have been rolled out by postal code instead of simultaneously, globally and nationwide. Would have saved a lot of jobs, and made much better use of limited stores of PPE.
For example, New York city is managing the latest outbreak by postal codes, instead of locking the whole city down.

Of course, nobody knew that back in March, and as it had been 100 years since the previous pandemic, there was no relevant experience of how to manage a selective rollout of countermeasures.

Instead, the decision was an overkill, no expense spared, ‘sea to sea to sea’ approach. A lot of ‘free money’ handed out to people who could have kept working.

Was it the right call? If you look per capita figures, maybe. Canada got well ahead of the US, in terms of total infections and deaths, but only to the point that we’re now on par with Italy (remember how bad it was for Italy?) at this point.

In a way, our society has been the victim of its own success – if killer, incurable virus pandemics were the norm every couple of years, these plans would be refined, and treatments would flow more smoothly.

#65 Do we have all the facts on 10.06.20 at 5:49 pm

All I tried to point out in my first contribution to this blog in March 2020 was the importance of factual information when assessing the threat to our health presented by the Covid 19 virus.

I found it interesting that the WHO created a new cause of death classification for the Covid 19 virus in 2020 and instructed health authorities to use this classification as the primary cause of death if a PCR test confirmed presence of the Covid 19 virus. The accuracy of the PCR test has recently been called into question by thousands of professionals around the world.

Since July 23, 2O20 561 deaths in Canada have been attributed to the Covid 19 virus and the mortality rate associated with the Covid 19 virus is O.14 deaths per 1000 Canadians tested for the virus since July.

Considering that the majority of deaths since July have been over the age of 65 and that the average mortality rate for this age group exceeds 26 deaths per 1000 people the decision to continue an economic lockdown based on an increase of only 0.14 deaths per 1000 seems a bit extreme to me.

I really feel it is time to concentrate on the actual risk of mortality posed by Covid 19 as presented by thousands of qualified professional after analysis of the facts. The cost of continuing the campaign of fear is becoming prohibitive.

#66 tccontrarian on 10.06.20 at 5:50 pm

Was at a party some time ago (pre-covid, of course), and on the host’s fridge was a picture of a rather obese person holding a glass of wine in one hand, and a donut in the other. The caption read:

“My version of a ‘balanced’ diet”.

This is what I think of ‘balanced’ anything – the concept of ‘balance’ can be distorted to fit any narrative.

There can be NO balanced response to ‘covid’ if the numbers are bogus; and disregarding the difference between ‘deaths FROM covid’ vs ‘deaths WITH covid’ is disingenious, at best.

Goal-posts have been shifted to ‘fit’ new definitions:

– what is a ‘pandemic’ (changed in 2012)
– when is it a ‘case’ (having a few particles of a pathogen in tissue sample from an asymptomatic person NEVER used to be labelled a ‘case’ – now it is!)
– death ‘from’ vs death ‘with’, as already mentioned.

Why are people ignoring these discrepancies?

Well, at least some Patriots are doing something about it:

ONTARIO SUPERIOR COURT LAWSUIT

“The Plaintiffs seek a Declaration that the covid measures are neither scientifically nor medically based. That the covid measures are extreme, irrational and unwarranted. And that the covid measures, to a large extent, breach sections 2, 7, 8, 9 and 15 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

They are also seeking $10,000,000 in damages from the Canadian Broadcast Corporation (CBC) for failure to report both sides of the news with respect to Canadian and international expert evidence on covid issues which are contrary to the Canadian governments narrative.”

https://standupcanada.ca/the-law/

#67 Faron on 10.06.20 at 5:53 pm

#24 dave on 10.06.20 at 4:29 pm

Why would Trump halt stimulus talks? This can stall the economy and this is a big negative against his administration???

Roll-the-dice, hardball, macho man move. Elect me or I’ll kill us all… – Garth

He’s banking on the vaccine that he will be announcing any day now and the fact that most somehow think the vaccine will immediately allow normalcy. If he times it right, the wave may wash him back into office. If he times it wrong, the wave will subside, Stonks will mellow and people will realized they are still screwed for the foreseeable. Regardless, he doesn’t want to give the Democrats any victories even if it means holding the (global) economy hostage.

#68 Cynthia on 10.06.20 at 5:58 pm

I was interested to recently research that about 38,000 people die a year in B.C. in the last few years. About 3,000 a month from various causes. B.C. total Covid deaths are 242.

What does this mean?

#69 Faron on 10.06.20 at 6:01 pm

#192 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 3:53 pm

I find it curious that the people who stress the seriousness of covid and the need to preserve humanity are apt to warn about the effects of climate change and the damage caused by humanity.

You find it curious that some humans are able to grasp existential threats to themselves and their neighbours? I’m assuming insurance isn’t your thing? Or tail hedging for that matter? YDY I guess.

#70 Leftover on 10.06.20 at 6:01 pm

So, balance.

Bond yields are going up:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/treasury-yields-jump-to-start-week-amid-hopes-for-new-fiscal-package-11601900328

That’s what they do when inflationary expectations rise. The yield curve is healthy too, indicating a return to a more normal, balanced, state.

Interest rates are going to stay low forever? Only in Canada you say? Well, no.

That $1 million mortgage at 2% that costs $4,200 a month is going to cost $5,800 a month at 5%.

By late next year.

Go ahead, buy my house. Make my day.

#71 D.D. Corkum on 10.06.20 at 6:04 pm

#51 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.06.20 at 5:23 pm

[…] 10% of the world’s population may have been infected already. With just over 1M deaths, that makes for an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.1% […]

Explain that, doomers.

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CFR is confirmed fatalities to confirmed cases.

IFR is all fatalities to all cases, confirmed or otherwise.

You are trying to compare confirmed fatalities to an estimate of all cases. That is neither CFR nor IFR; at best it is a ‘lower bound’ estimate of the true IFR.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you should consider how many people died because of COVID without ever being tested. The Economist newspaper provides a useful tracker of ‘excess mortality’ since the pandemic began, showing the increase deaths relative to historical baselines in many countries.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

#72 Bill on 10.06.20 at 6:12 pm

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#73 Tyberius on 10.06.20 at 6:14 pm

Let the games begin!

Fight Breaks Out On Plane After Man Refuses To Wear Face Mask

Video taken Saturday aboard an Allegiant Air flight from Arizona to Utah shows a man choking another passenger who refused to wear a mask.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5f7c8b04c5b6e5aba0d09a10/amp?__twitter_impression=true

#74 [email protected] on 10.06.20 at 6:16 pm

Just want to express thanks for changing your view here.

#75 mitzerboyakaQueencitykidd on 10.06.20 at 6:17 pm

My favourite Eddie Van Halen guitar solo is in the tune Running With the Devil

Of course of balance and Global Diversified devil

#76 Freedom First on 10.06.20 at 6:21 pm

World War 3 is here, and just getting started. War on All peoples freedoms has begun world wide.
First stage has just started.
Genocides have taken place throughout history, non-stop. Everywhere.
This genocide is the first one taking place world wide at the same time.

#77 Reximus on 10.06.20 at 6:22 pm

#56 Goodbye Toronto on 10.06.20 at 5:31 pm

Canada is a dying, post-national anti-gender state. You better plan on leaving. It’s not a country for men like me. Toronto is even worse, with no good jobs for men.
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wow Garth let this through…must be the oysters

#78 Sara on 10.06.20 at 6:30 pm

Melissa(in the article linked to below) is a “Karen” with that “don’t tell me what to do attitude”. She makes the anti-maskers look even dumber.

Trump’s constant “it’s no bigly” messaging promotes this same type of ignorant, selfish, attitude where there is no balance – only black and white.

From the link:

“Some of Trump’s supporters said they wouldn’t be swayed by the White House outbreak: Wearing a mask is a choice, and to mandate its use limits freedom, said Melissa Blundo, chair of the “No Mask Nevada” PAC.

“I’m not saying the coronavirus isn’t real. I’m not saying that it isn’t a pandemic,” she said. “I believe tuberculosis could be called a pandemic when it kills a person every 21 seconds, but we haven’t shut down the entire world. I just find it interesting that we are taking this particular pandemic and shutting down economies.”

Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows 8,920 cases of tuberculosis in 2019. In 2017, the most recent year it reported deaths, 515 died from the bacterial lung infection.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-covid-tweet-reaction-1.5751806

#79 Sara on 10.06.20 at 6:37 pm

69 Faron on 10.06.20 at 6:01 pm
#192 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 3:53 pm

I find it curious that the people who stress the seriousness of covid and the need to preserve humanity are apt to warn about the effects of climate change and the damage caused by humanity.

You find it curious that some humans are able to grasp existential threats to themselves and their neighbours? I’m assuming insurance isn’t your thing? Or tail hedging for that matter? YDY I guess.

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Some (many?) people just don’t care much about anything other than their short, meaningless lives and perhaps those of their inner circle. People they don’t know, future generations be damned.

#80 cuke and tomato picker on 10.06.20 at 6:40 pm

We have one case of covid 19 on South Vancouver Island Also the NDP if elected will give up to $1000.00 to BC
families depending on income. I am wondering what a senior couple will get. Today I spent some time informing
my financial planner about increasing our withholding tax from our RIFec.15thS and preparing to put our $12000.00 into our TFSA. We take out our RIFS once a year on Dec.15th and do our TFSA on the first day of the next year (2021).

#81 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 6:41 pm

Re: #55 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 5:31 pm

Comorbidities are not terminal conditions. “Morbidity” means disease state. These people had diseases that if managed, would not be killing them any time soon. Type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol, asthma, hypertension are not terminal diseases. Sheesh.

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There is actually no clear definition of the word “comorbidity”.

My interpretation is as possible as yours:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2713155/

#82 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 6:43 pm

#63 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 5:44 pm
#44 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 5:08 pm
“People work better when they can yell at each other”
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That explains why you let people like sail away ponzipilates and their ilk get away with their comments right? lol

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Without fangs or claws, inquisitiveness, adaptability, and consolidating divergent opinions became our species’ strength. I always lend an ear to opposing opinions, and calculate my direction accordingly. Counterweights keep a whirlybird in flight.

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Agreed, as long as other pov’s are not constantly ridiculed. lol

#83 DON on 10.06.20 at 6:43 pm

#57 willworkforpickles on 10.06.20 at 5:36 pm
Trump is playing with the markets with a likely bluff.
It wouldn’t be a surprise if he works out a stimulus plan 10 days before the election to super boost it and bump up his ratings in the 11th hour.

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I agree.

#84 Bill on 10.06.20 at 6:45 pm

#66 tccontrarian on 10.06.20 at 5:50 pm
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Thanks for that. CBC IS T2s right hand man….that’s what he pays them for.
Gives me a glimmer of hope!

#85 crossbordershopper on 10.06.20 at 6:47 pm

balance only is for older, wealthy, people, I believe all young people should throw caution to the wind and try different things, weird things, risky things.
this virus I hope has taught us that anything can happen, and you don’t want to be old saying if I could of, would of etc.
ironically, I think it will create the opposite, invert, cautious little young people, wearing there masks,
I remember 30 years ago driving down hanlon road in guelph with no breaks, that’s right, no breaks, travel at 70Km with no breaks, and a girlfriend (she dumped me the next day, couldn’t take the stress). I latterly stopped the car with my feet with the door open.
I should be dead, but im not, im here living life to the fullest, but it will be at my lapse of judgement and on my watch, and driving my car, life is to the be lived before you die, with all the experiences you can squeeze into.
so if you want to wear a mask, go ahead to protect your family and loved ones, yourself or your dog.

#86 Leo Trollstoy on 10.06.20 at 6:51 pm

Sweden: *laughs*

#87 Tactless Capital on 10.06.20 at 6:55 pm

Thanksgiving and Christmas cuts are coming. Stay safe, secure, and balanced everyone.

#88 LG on 10.06.20 at 6:55 pm

#26 Freebird: “In meantime maybe we can allow freedom of views and learn to at least calmly, respectfully agree to disagree. Attacking the speaker doesn’t negate the message or view. Harder to understand and debate the issue and explain why.“

I agree. Where did conversation go?

Deliberate mis-information, hoaxes, fake news, MSM, social media, etc. has created an environment of conflict. People don’t want to discuss topics maturely. Sarcasm, insults, belittling and bullying are normal now. People withdraw, and distance from each other. Nobody benefits from this behaviour.
Communicating in this manner negatively effect relationships.

Blame the virus? Blame Trump? Blame media?
Blaming is victim hood. Look in the mirror and see what you are contributing.

#89 this just in on 10.06.20 at 7:02 pm

Protest in TO

https://twitter.com/search?q=%20cbc%20sucks&src=typed_query

Fifty people in a no-mask protest. Meanwhile another of Trump’s top aides tests positive. Connect the dots. – Garth

#90 Sail Away on 10.06.20 at 7:09 pm

#54 Sara on 10.06.20 at 5:30 pm

Typo alert. I meant to say the Ontario Conservative government. Had Trudeau on the brain.

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Since Fartz and I occupy all your functional bandwidth, written typos, errors, and uncontrolled muttering should be expected as normal side effects.

#91 Faron on 10.06.20 at 7:13 pm

#88 LG on 10.06.20 at 6:55 pm

I agree. Where did conversation go?

It went down the black hole of loneliness and meaninglessness that is the internet. Who needs conversation when I CAN YELL AT YOU FROM 2000km AWAY and anonymously attempt to exorcise my desperate, existential angst? I regret contributing to and participating in this dynamic. Sigh.

#92 Sail Away on 10.06.20 at 7:13 pm

#82 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 6:43 pm
#63 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 5:44 pm
#44 dogwhistle on 10.06.20 at 5:08 pm
“People work better when they can yell at each other”
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That explains why you let people like sail away ponzipilates and their ilk get away with their comments right? lol

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Without fangs or claws, inquisitiveness, adaptability, and consolidating divergent opinions became our species’ strength. I always lend an ear to opposing opinions, and calculate my direction accordingly. Counterweights keep a whirlybird in flight.

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Agreed, as long as other pov’s are not constantly ridiculed. lol

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That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard, you squirrelly balljoint.

#93 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 7:13 pm

I’m not sure what everyone expected Trump to do. He closed the borders which he can do at the federal level, but he can’t impose very much on the states. It’s up to the governors to handle the state level reaction. Some remain closed, some are partially open, New York is closing again but based on zip codes, etc. And if Trump dies because he doesn’t like wearing a mask, well that is his risk to take. He has to balance the risks he faces from covid with his presidential thing. Same as an appliance repairman has to balance his risks when he goes into people’s houses to get the fridge working again, and you have to balance them when you let him in vs. no cold beer and no milk.

What I think is missing from this conversation is personal responsibility. It is never a good idea to let the government protect you from anything. Especially if you have the power to protect yourself.

I started wearing a mask long before the mandates appeared, as did many others. Mostly because my neighbors are Chinese and they were kind enough to give me half a box, this was before you could get them at Costco. People who were in China for SARS tend to keep these things on hand. In return I handed out nitrile gloves to my neighbors because I had them on hand for painting and wrenching.

Costco started limiting the numbers in their stores far before there was any rules about it, as did most businesses. Nobody wants to get sued.

As I have recounted here before, about 50% of the students at my son’s school had already been pulled out before the school board closed them down. Now they are open again with all kinds of draconian and unrealistic rules, but only 75% or so of the kids have returned. The online experience has been bumpy to say the least, but it is getting better.

We are social distancing and preferring to socialize outdoors. All the things we are recommended to do. No covid so far.

So even though I acknowledge that this is no regular flu, I think at this point I am of the opinion that the response should have been left at a much more personal level than it was. Who says barber shops are “non-essential” businesses? I think the barbers would tend to differ. And nobody is forcing you to get a haircut if you think the barber is too germie.

What the government has done here is cure the disease by killing the patient.

We all take calculated risks every day, whether that be to get in your car, ride your motorcycle, light up a cigar, go skiing in the backcountry, eat red meat, and a whole host of other activities.

#94 Andino on 10.06.20 at 7:13 pm

The flaws of our leaders perfectly mirror the emotional underdevelopment of the society that elevates them to power.

From Dr Gabor Mate. ” Trump, Clinton and Trauma” OCTOBER 15, 2016

#95 Blobby on 10.06.20 at 7:17 pm

#38 Ace Goodheart :

I have high blood pressure and diabetes. Totally managed, i could happily live another 20 or 30 years.

But I am high risk for covid – in your mind, if i get it and die – i was going to die anyway?

Nice. Amazing to see how some people think, it really is.

#96 C V on 10.06.20 at 7:18 pm

#27

I love this fox news/spanky logic. Using this logic, no-one ever dies from being shot or dies from a car crash.

They died from things related to being shot (like losing blood, etc)… They didnt die from actually being shot!

The hoops people will jump through to defend Spanky, or to suggest the virus is somehow not all that bad, is beyond laughable.
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People who die with Covid and have co-morbidities/obesity, advanced age etc is completely different then getting a gun shot wound and dying. The difference is that those things are the driver of the death, and Covid “ finishes them off. “. A healthy person who dies from a gun shot wound would otherwise go on living. Actually, data suggests that the virus is not all that bad. A very small fraction of those that get the virus die, and when they do it is BECAUSE they have co-morbidities, are overweight, elderly( often well beyond average lifespan ). When Canada has less than a few hundred people in ICU in a country of 30 million + people, I would consider this virus to be “ not that bad “ in the sense that it is not as bad as our government/media etc are portraying it

#97 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.20 at 7:21 pm

68 Cynthia on 10.06.20 at 5:58 pm
I was interested to recently research that about 38,000 people die a year in B.C. in the last few years. About 3,000 a month from various causes. B.C. total Covid deaths are 242.

What does this mean?
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It means you are wrong.
As of today the total deaths are 246.

#98 Opee on 10.06.20 at 7:25 pm

Is there a record of all deaths in Ontario, weekly, that will show a comparison to the previous year and the same week. Not just Covid deaths, but all deaths,ie; cancer, natural, other diseases and so on. That will give all of us a truer picture of what is going on. Right now it’s as all deaths are due to Covid, which we all know is not true. A weekly summary, by OHIP(Gov.) will tell all of us what’s going on. Facts are transparent, not feelings and approximates or media reporting.

#99 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 7:26 pm

#81 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 6:41 pm
Re: #55 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 5:31 pm

Comorbidities are not terminal conditions. “Morbidity” means disease state. These people had diseases that if managed, would not be killing them any time soon. Type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol, asthma, hypertension are not terminal diseases. Sheesh.

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There is actually no clear definition of the word “comorbidity”.

My interpretation is as possible as yours:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2713155/

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The definition of “comorbidity” is not the point; the diseases that contribute to a higher risk of covid death are not terminal conditions. The meaning of terminal is pretty clear.

#100 Drill Baby Drill on 10.06.20 at 7:30 pm

It is distressing how weak and lily livered our leaders are. Also on the covid issue we have mortgaged our future and put our economic health in grave danger as to elevated interest rates.

#101 Captain Uppa on 10.06.20 at 7:32 pm

“Lately a bunch of us have lost sight of this. The tilt is more in evidence every day. The site’s suffering ethically as a result. Maybe it’s because bully voices have pushed out the moderate ones.”

Us moderates, or “centrists”, are too busy actually doing something productive in the world. The level of energy it takes for these people living on the extremes exhausts me and thus they drown us out

#102 Coho on 10.06.20 at 7:38 pm

@Doug t #40,

I know a person that works in retail and deals with the public. In the last decade in particular she has seen such a big decline in people’s expressions of empathy, honesty and respect and how they are increasingly hard to deal with.

It’s not a stretch to connect the shameless behaviour of our “leaders” in having something to do with the decline of peoples’ behaviour, if that is indeed the case. People are good at rationalizing poor behaviour especially when they can point to those occupying the halls of power and say “well look at what they get away with”.

Everything is being politicized and like in war, truth is the first casualty once it enters the ever expanding sphere of politics. Right and wrong has been replaced by left and right. Truth replaced by spin and the blame game.

Trillions in debt has been issued because of Covid, yet there isn’t enough money to lift third world nations. A fraction of that would end world hunger and give these countries the tools to elevate themselves. However, the will isn’t there by the ruling elite because there is money to be made on the backs of the suffering.

When people become fearful, they tend to withdraw. Their energies focus on themselves so much so that it can often lead to lack of inspiration and depression. Most people feel good when they give whether it is love, dollars, time, gifts or wisdom. I just hope the fallout from the constant drumbeat and fear of Covid does not break the spirit of the people.

#103 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.06.20 at 7:40 pm

#99 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 7:26 pm
The definition of “comorbidity” is not the point; the diseases that contribute to a higher risk of covid death are not terminal conditions. The meaning of terminal is pretty clear.
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So you’re saying that Cancer, Pneumonia, Stroke, Liver cirrhosis, Cardiovascular diseases (including IHD and Congestive heart failure), Chronic kidney disease, and Immuno-deficiency, etc etc aren’t terminal?

#104 -=withwings=- on 10.06.20 at 7:41 pm

@ #38 Ace badheart

Because there is no single, globally agreed upon defintion of comorbidiy doesnt mean there aren’t maey definitions in use. And all thsoe definitions generally agree with each other. You don’t get to make up whatever you want and your opinion is not just as valid as anyone elses.

From the paper you linked:

Several definitions have been suggested for comorbidity based on different conceptualizations of a single core concept: the presence of more than 1 distinct condition in an individual . Although always used as a person-level construct, 4 major types of distinctions are made: (1) the nature of the health condition, (2) the relative importance of the co-occurring conditions, (3) the chronology of presentation of the conditions, and (4) expanded conceptualizations.

BTW: acute care beds are all full. Adding more unnecessary cases gets us back into hallway medicine.

The general thrust of your argument seems to be “we did really well against the first wave, so we shouldn’t have done that at all”

#105 jsto on 10.06.20 at 7:43 pm

It is really too bad people don’t know the REAL Truth, the real stats and the real numbers. We are led to believe things we cannot verify… it’s a problem, who do you trust? Can you draw your own conclusions? They say garbage in, garbage out, so much so for garbage data.

#106 Shirl Clarts on 10.06.20 at 7:46 pm

When I gas up, I use the brown paper towels offered in the dispenser to grab the handle and press the buttons.

I started doing this long before COVID came on the scene, but mostly during cold and flu season. I never worried about what it looked like to others.

I wear a mask for myself, even though it is a huge courtesy for those around me. When an “anti-masker” gets in my personal space, it bothers me because I’m trying to protect my family. But I say nothing. I just think to myself… “Get a clue… whose bubble are you apart of? Do you even have a bubble? I feel sorry for your clueless close contacts.”

Both sides share their individual experiences. They form opinions about the others. Those with “skin in the game” are respecting the rules, and those not abiding have NOTHING to lose. So why should they be forced to change their ways?

Is it any wonder that we have division around something as simple as wearing a mask? I see it clear as day.

#107 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 7:47 pm

#85 crossbordershopper on 10.06.20 at 6:47 pm
balance only is for older, wealthy, people, I believe all young people should throw caution to the wind and try different things, weird things, risky things.

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You’ll never get rich working for a living. Unless you are a dentist or surgeon of course. Behind every one of those big diesel pusher RVs you see on the road is a story of someone who took a risk. Of course the key to winning is to know when you aren’t likely to get a better hand and cashing out.

My favorite story is of a dairy farmer I knew when I was but a child. He had a nice farm and a reasonable living but he wore rubber boots every single day and had dirt on his hands. Up at 6 am to milk, then milking again at 6 pm. Then his quota went through the roof and made him a multi-millionaire. His kids couldn’t afford to buy the quota and pay the taxes, so he sold out and bought a big RV.

#108 Herb on 10.06.20 at 7:47 pm

“Stop defending the indefensible.” – Garth to Ace Goodheart at #38

He’s not defending the indefensible, Garth, you are.

You’re kind attention is invited to a little article by scientist who spent a good part of his working life as Chief Scientific Officer and VP Global Research for a little company you may have heard of, Pfizer. He just might know what he’s talking about and give you a new perspective on the Covid-19 “crisis”.

Dr. Yeadon’s article is long and folksy but easy to understand, once you get over the British context and abbreviations –

https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/?fbclid=IwAR0e7YbwxmOCxGaFZXkYNZ6i0a5qYcXCBZMKlfkei07oUMKHClhUmMkReRo

#109 mike from mtl on 10.06.20 at 7:49 pm

#64 Smartalox on 10.06.20 at 5:47 pm

Infection controls (localization, testing, contact tracing and treatment) as well as closures, compensation, CERB, etc. could have been rolled out by postal code instead of simultaneously, globally and nationwide.
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Oh you mean like how the CCP either intentionally or accidentally let it loose just in time of Chinese new year, covered it up, lied, got their lackey the WHO to downplay it, by then it was too late.

Hard lockdowns are only effective if it’s truly no one in or out, like an island. Ask Hawaii, it worked, they opened to very restrictive non-residents and the bug was back. NZ is basically free of the bug but they’re essentially locked in prison. QC and ON have a very active land border for trade and labour, not to mention the US where we import nearly everything through.

Obviously NB,NS,NL aren’t complaining with all the government cheese thrown their way.

#110 Wait There on 10.06.20 at 7:51 pm

Maybe one day there will be treatments for those who have comorbidities and contract covid. At this time there are not a lot of solutions.
I also have comorbidties but having those aspects also means that we need to realize that treatment for these conditions was never a right to have. That some clever scientists came up with solutions that could extend our lives we should be thankful, YES. However at the same time is it fair for us to stop the world because we suffer from this morbidity and the answer is clearly NO. To do so, would be selfish. We should always be thankful that there are treatments to manage the condition but also aware that the treatment is akin to cheating nature and nature ALWAYS wins in the end.
My father was very lucky to have lasix appear and approved to allow him some more years to live, had his condition arise a few years earlier, he would not have had anything as good.
We are still at the learning stage of COVID and we do not know everything nor can we treat all conditions but the far far majority of the population will be OK in the event they contract covid and can be treated and have a good recovery and it is already proven.
Polio vaccines can also cause bad things to occur in some children. My niece suffered that fate but that does not mean the world should not be innoculated for polio because of what happened to her.
Don’t forget even when a vaccine appears, there will be some people who will not take to it well. That is to be expected and I will bet the press will come shouting at the danger of the vaccine. Before you take routine surgery, you are informed there is always a level of risk.

#111 Sara on 10.06.20 at 7:51 pm

#94 Andino on 10.06.20 at 7:13 pm
The flaws of our leaders perfectly mirror the emotional underdevelopment of the society that elevates them to power.
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Indeed.

#112 Faron on 10.06.20 at 7:54 pm

#98 Opee on 10.06.20 at 7:25 pm

You are looking for excess death statistics. Stats Can keeps them and updates them with some delay because it takes some time for the data to reach them. The general story for Canada is that excess death in Canada is flat or down in some areas with low covid and up in areas with higher covid especially Quebec where excess deaths exceeded COVID counts. In other parts of the world, excess deaths are way up and surpass official direct counts substantially.

Excess deaths are not perfect. If suicide is increasing, those deaths will be lumped in so the only picture that can be painted is one of higher or lower than typical morbidity.

A link from the Economist was posted earlier in this thread or in yesterday’s if you care too look it up.

Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/45-28-0001/2020001/article/00076-eng.htm

US: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#techNotes

#113 Longterm on 10.06.20 at 7:59 pm

#71 D.D. Corkum on 10.06.20 at 6:04 pm

#51 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.06.20 at 5:23 pm

[…] 10% of the world’s population may have been infected already. With just over 1M deaths, that makes for an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.1% […]

Explain that, doomers.

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CFR is confirmed fatalities to confirmed cases.

IFR is all fatalities to all cases, confirmed or otherwise.

You are trying to compare confirmed fatalities to an estimate of all cases. That is neither CFR nor IFR; at best it is a ‘lower bound’ estimate of the true IFR.

If you want to compare apples to apples, you should consider how many people died because of COVID without ever being tested. The Economist newspaper provides a useful tracker of ‘excess mortality’ since the pandemic began, showing the increase deaths relative to historical baselines in many countries.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

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That Economist link is some actual data driven analysis of deaths Covid deaths. It cuts through the rubbish shovelled by self-styled epidemiologists and statisticians in this comments section who look to bend numbers to make their politicized case.

Oh, and for those who keep wheeling out the Swedish posterboy, have a look at the Economist data aggregation. In absolute death terms it’s been Swedish disaster, and in relative population terms to their Norwegian and Danish peers, Sweden is nothing less than a catastrophe.

And on Covid policy responses Sweden still spent somewhere between 11.3 and 17% of GDP, compared to Denmark at 10.8% of GDP, Norway at 5.5% of GDP, and for reference, Canada at 15% of GDP. Source:

https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/imf-and-covid19/Policy-Responses-to-COVID-19#N

#114 espressobob on 10.06.20 at 8:05 pm

Forecasting this and that is the worst mindset many fall into. Enjoy your life, it’s the only one you have.

Let the cards play out as they do without your inability to time anything.

Good investors get this with a sense of humility.

Enjoy the ride.

#115 Flop... on 10.06.20 at 8:05 pm

” There are colleagues I can’t see, a home I can’t visit, clients and friends I want time with.”Thor Turner.

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Hang in there little buddy.

It had probably been a year since we last spoke.

Do you want me to call you again and yell random things down the phone line for 20 minutes?

Just send the secret signal and I’ll get on it.

I would do that for a friend…

M46BC

#116 Stone on 10.06.20 at 8:14 pm

Garth, today you wrote a really good blog post, however, your desire for balance rings a bit hollow.

There is very little balance in your peanut gallery. Maybe applying a little rigour there will provide you with the balance you seek. I know you feel everyone is entitled to express themselves here however the “little rabble” your wife so eloquently pointed out is a reflection on you.Doug, Ryan, and Sinan don’t normally get the roid rage crowd.

Just some constructive feedback. Take it as you wish. It’s your blog. It’s also your little rabble.

Meaning I should let only you in? – Garth

#117 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 8:17 pm

#95 Blobby on 10.06.20 at 7:17 pm
#38 Ace Goodheart :

I have high blood pressure and diabetes. Totally managed, i could happily live another 20 or 30 years.

But I am high risk for covid – in your mind, if i get it and die – i was going to die anyway?

Nice. Amazing to see how some people think, it really is.

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Nobody is wishing for you to die. Wear a mask. I do and I don’t have diabetes. It is just the responsible thing to do right now.

The other day I was in the co-op and everyone had masks (not all properly fitted, it doesn’t work if it doesn’t cover you nose folks) but I spotted an attractive young lady who was not wearing a mask despite clear signage that said “no mask no entry”. I immediately thought “psychopath”. No, I did not go Karen on her. I had my mask and didn’t approach her. There was much under my control.

#118 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.20 at 8:22 pm

@#90 Sail Away
“Since Fartz and I occupy all your functional bandwidth, written typos, errors, and uncontrolled muttering should be expected as normal side effects.”

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I was just chalking it up to a “Tourette’s Typo”

Shame about Eddie.

#119 the Jaguar on 10.06.20 at 8:30 pm

So this nasty little post( #50 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.20 at 5:17 pm) to a medical professional who took the time to post and give us his view and experiences is a perfect illustration of why I was compelled to point out that there was no ‘me in his we’ tag on to my post of a few days ago. ‘At your feet or at your throat’ someone aptly described it in past years……… Or maybe he just forgot his own admonishment to me to ‘Show some respect’.

@#64 Smartalox on 10.06.20 at 5:47 pm ‘For example, New York city is managing the latest outbreak by postal codes, instead of locking the whole city down.’. That’s interesting information. Most Canadian cities could do something similar, but won’t as it would bring up issues that are forbidden topics for discussion. Better to let infections rise and risk more deaths of the vulnerable.

and…From yesterday….
#180 Linda on 10.06.20 at 1:30 pm
#81 ‘the Jaguar’ – I don’t believe Latino/Black voters will want to vote for Trump. Between the lack of Covid action, the separation of immigrant families AND the recently reported instances of immigrant women in custody being sterilized ‘for medical reasons’ one could argue that the results of the above policies collectively form a case that genocide is occurring in the USA. ———
Perhaps you are right, Linda. And maybe I am wrong. Certainly the poll Garth did yesterday would put me in the small group ( 299 votes) who think Trump will be re-elected. I wouldn’t have included the word ‘landslide’ in the question, but fact is, I really don’t have any ‘skin in the game’. I’m just an interested spectator to events. It’s only an opinion. Another thing I have noticed in recent years is a form of ‘Canadian Exceptionalism’ that has risen everywhere the eye wanders. It’s especially noticable in foreign countries where brandishing the old Maple Leaf or sports logo strongly associated with Canadian teams can be seen. There used to be a phrase ‘The Ugly American’, but more and more we resemble that image. I’m not a fan of looking down on our American neighbours as some gun toting, redneck, hillbilly population who will vote for Trump reasons we feel are beneath our dignified glances. They have complex issues.
There are only 28 days left and then the whole debacle will be over. Maybe we can finally turn our attention to our own big mess.

#120 JM on 10.06.20 at 8:32 pm

No stimulus – markets drop.

No one is talking about the real elephant in the room.. democrats calling out Facebook, Amazon, alphabet, and apple for enjoying “monopoly power”. recommend big changes…

FANG stocks have been driving this market higher… will this bring down the hammer after a Democrat sweep?

#121 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 8:32 pm

#110 Wait There on 10.06.20 at 7:51 pm

Interesting.

I understand that the right of my fist ends at the right of your nose, but at what point does your comorbidities constrain my right to feed my family. Yes, I understand that you were not arguing they should, just that you raised the point. I think it is a valid point. Should the barbers have to shut down, or maybe people who are at risk should just stay away? It is a difficult question and I haven’t as of yet decided on an answer. It is like drunk driving or speeding laws. Certainly people who are over 0.1% or going really fast kill more people than those who aren’t, so we have laws and put them in jail. But the victims can’t really avoid the situation. So I don’t know. Is covid the same as drunk driving?

#122 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:33 pm

104 -=with wings=-:

Acute care beds may be full.

But they are not full of COVID patients.

There are almost 25,000 acute care beds in Ontario.

Only 192 of those beds have COVID patients in them.

Maybe we should find out what the other 24,700 acute care patients are suffering from and try to avoid getting that.

It seems to be making a lot more people sick than COVID is.

#123 Drinking on 10.06.20 at 8:36 pm

Balance sure that is fair! You mentioned you do not know of anybody with Covid, that is great news and hopefully that will stay that way in your little bubble.

Me, unfortunately do know people who have perished from it or spent a long duration in ICU and will never be the same. What struck me the most is how much there appearance changed.

I am not here to argue, just asking everyone to take the precautions and stay safe until we truly understand what and how this effing virus affects all of us. We have lost many staff members due to illness in the past week; is it due to Covid 19; no idea; will find out in the next few weeks.

#124 binky barnes on 10.06.20 at 8:37 pm

King Justin (aka the Teflon Man) had a precautionary covid test due to a ‘tickle’ in his throat.

But all ended well and he is going to continue getting this country back on the road to prosperity. So everybody can sleep well tonight–we have our top man on it.

BB

#125 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 8:47 pm

#103 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.06.20 at 7:40 pm
#99 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 7:26 pm
The definition of “comorbidity” is not the point; the diseases that contribute to a higher risk of covid death are not terminal conditions. The meaning of terminal is pretty clear.
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So you’re saying that Cancer, Pneumonia, Stroke, Liver cirrhosis, Cardiovascular diseases (including IHD and Congestive heart failure), Chronic kidney disease, and Immuno-deficiency, etc etc aren’t terminal?

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If were going to play semantics, living is a terminal condition. Arthritis, not so much.

#126 Faron on 10.06.20 at 8:47 pm

#108 Herb on 10.06.20 at 7:47 pm

Look at his plot. Although he’s arguing that present case rates are much lower than reported, the figure, if scaled identically, would show 3000-4000 cases per day in the present wave which is what is being reported. The adjustment for more cases early is probably sensible. But even with his adjusted data, 80 people died in the UK of COVID yesterday. Those deaths would be in response to cases measured a couple weeks ago. 80/3000 is 2.6% — a remarkably high death rate. Or, the fellow has an agenda and is using his credentials inappropriately to further it and the reality is that the second wave is large, but perhaps death rates are down due to more effective treatment and the like?

#127 Drinking on 10.06.20 at 8:49 pm

#12 SunShowers

Exactly what Trump has been saying all along; just saying; hmm, could Garth actually be saying the same thing as Trump?? lol, if I said that is front of him he would probably knock my teeth out! :)

#128 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

#69 Faron on 10.06.20 at 6:01 pm

Mel Brooks said it best, “Let em all go to hell except Cave #186.” Whatever his cave number was.

I’m not saying humanity is expendable, history is. We are told that when humanity is doing well and economies are humming along, the planet suffers. Why are governments, who hint at dramatic policy changes to stymie human activity, not letting the disease cull the herd? I was under the impression civilization is an extinction level event. Are humans in vogue again?

I glow apathy. However, I went to a Walmart recently, and I must say, I like the 100% mask policy. I think it should be instituted forevermore in grocery stores. And gloves. Last thing I want is some grimey human pawing my consumables. If it wasn’t for chocolate spread, I’d chuck the whole rabble to the wolves.

My wife chimes in during my read-thru, “anyone who can find the dirt in someone, can also find the gold.” I tell her back, “there are two types of people: them who want to be, and them who won’t let them be.” I was never a joiner. YDY to you too, whatever that means. ;)

#129 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

#95 Blobby:

I hear you.

I have health conditions that put me in a high risk category as does my age.

I spent from March 2020 until September 2020 living in fear.

Then I had to choose. Send my child to school and put myself at risk. Or take his education away to protect myself.

I decided, fear is a beast. A horror. I could not let it rule me anymore.

I tell you, conquering your fear is like waking up out of the Matrix. This past month has been one of the best of my life.

I might get COVID and I might die of it.

But I am not afraid anymore.

Best feeling ever.

I wish you well with your situation.

#130 Stone on 10.06.20 at 8:56 pm

#116 Stone on 10.06.20 at 8:14 pm
Garth, today you wrote a really good blog post, however, your desire for balance rings a bit hollow.

There is very little balance in your peanut gallery. Maybe applying a little rigour there will provide you with the balance you seek. I know you feel everyone is entitled to express themselves here however the “little rabble” your wife so eloquently pointed out is a reflection on you.Doug, Ryan, and Sinan don’t normally get the roid rage crowd.

Just some constructive feedback. Take it as you wish. It’s your blog. It’s also your little rabble.

Meaning I should let only you in? – Garth

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Nope.

#131 N on 10.06.20 at 8:59 pm

“Bankers don’t have morals,” the 50-year-old said on a video call. “Hedge-fund managers, and so on, they don’t have morals. I made the money legally.”….
In Denmark, the case against Shah has triggered public anger. The country, which is in the middle of an economic recession wrought by the coronavirus, claims it has been robbed…..
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sanjay-shah-the-unemployed-trader-who-became-a-700-million-exile-2306059?pfrom=home-topscroll

#132 Flop... on 10.06.20 at 8:59 pm

Yeah, the world is pretty messed up at the moment.

Global News gave my buddies the Tasmanian Devils a higher billing than the death of Eddie Van Halen, and the funeral of John Turner.

So wrong.

May I apologize on behalf of all Tasmanian Devils…

M46BC

#133 not 1st on 10.06.20 at 9:00 pm

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All anti-mask posts will be tossed. You are the wrong side of history . – Garth

#134 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 9:02 pm

#79 Sara on 10.06.20 at 6:37 pm

Some (many?) people just don’t care much about anything other than their short, meaningless lives and perhaps those of their inner circle. People they don’t know, future generations be damned.

People are overrated. I like animals, wild ones, in their own habitat. I think the human experiment had a good run, but it’s done. I’m leaving behind an ecological reserve.

#135 Dog Breath on 10.06.20 at 9:05 pm

#30 Whinipegger

“Name a Canadian politician that appears to have real leadership potential and a significant grasp of the issues and a path to achieve the vision. ”
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Actually that would be Max Bernier and the Peoples Party of Canada. You’ve properly never heard of him because the corrupt corporate media pressitutes have flushed him down the memory hole. But check him out. He’s a real leader with real vision.

Max is unelectable. Move on. – Garth

#136 zoey on 10.06.20 at 9:11 pm

I liked the survey.

Yesterday I said once stimulus stops look out and what happens one day later ? Trump halts stimulus talks until after the election. Didn’t take long for the markets to start whining….but but it has to go up we need stimulus say all the heavily invested.

#137 Fakeologist on 10.06.20 at 9:26 pm

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/10/06/deal-with-it-7/#comment-740778
Stop trying to get facts into this argument – the truth will not tolerated in a sea of lies.

#138 TurnerNation on 10.06.20 at 9:39 pm

What’s life like in the new UN “Smart” cities?
This news items is not about the East of Van.
No it’s a burb in the GTA.

While you work hard the govt will shovel tens of millions of your taxes into this Poverty Industry. To “tackle” the problem of people who’ve damaged their minds and bodies beyond repair.
Meanwhile, with a Feminist PM no longer is it safe for women walking around their own town. #stayhome they told us right?

As always small business are the target. Some say the homeless are put on full display in our cities as a warning. Follow the rules, obey, submit…or else you end up like them.

Want to hear a joke? For years, each year the Mayor of Toronto declared a “homeless crisis”. This year then he ordered small businesses closed, throwing even more people into the street. As always…take their words and reverse them, to make sense.

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/10209212-business-owners-and-residents-say-immediate-action-required-to-address-issues-in-brampton-s-downtown-core/

Public prostitution, vandalism and drug and alcohol use. This is what’s happening daily in downtown Brampton, say residents and businesses.

Homelessness and drugs have been problems in downtown Brampton, like most urban centres, said Jason Wiesner. But, he believes they’re getting worse.

“Without a doubt, 2020 has been the worst year yet,” he said.

“At the Sept. 24 meeting, regional council approved $1.3 million in additional funding for housing supports and $9.7 million for social services from federal funding allocated to the region. But Grainger said the existing demands are beyond the resources of the region.”

#139 Stan Brooks on 10.06.20 at 9:42 pm

This blog is trying to make the case that big cities are and will continue to be attractive in Canada. Including the remote suburbs, like what Hamilton is to Toronto.

The facts:
1. places like GTA and remote surroundings always were a giant labour camp where people came to find work. Not to spend money. When there were jobs.

2. It is not a ‘lifestyle’ that people with vested interests try to sell you. How many times did the average Torontonian or a person living in GTA go to an NBA or NHL game for example or to visit a theater or opera or even a restaurant with his family yearly on average for the last 5 years? Not many.

3. There is mass exodus from much nicer and overall much more affordable apparently places with much lower taxes in US, places with much more viable economies like NY, including Manhattan, the financial hub of the world, SF and the bay area – the tech capital of the world were all the entrepreneurs live, LA, etc.

4. Due to automation and outsourcing jobs are disappearing at much faster rate than before.

5. We are at peak credit phase of the credit cycle, that is now translating into fast currency depreciating event with rates stuck at zero for a very long time while cost of living rises dangerously fast.

6. People are stretched in all directions and have practically no ability to continue artificially providing inflated demand through credit or handouts to ‘support the economy’.
Debts slaves who work for the mortgage, or jobless people can not consume excessively forever.

7. There is no practical point in continuing to receive immigrants who will have no jobs forever in this environment, who have no money to stimulate the economy, who will never be able to afford houses with these prices and who will forever depend on government handouts.
This will only get worse with time.
Not that there are many candidates to come here either, let’s be frank here.

8. The ability of the remaining pockets of middle class to support everyone through taxes is fast diminishing.

9. Investments are leaving and nobody is really interested in our bonds except the geniuses at BoC who are the only buyer. This is sold to the public as ‘market demand for safe government bonds that drives interest rates down’, not as insane money printing exercise. We are printing practically the equivalent of the federal debt in one single year and the ‘visionaries’ at the helm want to continue with more.

10 Our economy sank by 40 % in the 2nd quarter of this year while Europe for example declined by 10 %.
This is indicative of the state of the affairs, the resilience and health of the economy.

11. We kept abusing monetary and fiscal policies for a very long time keeping rates artificially low and piling on debt while others were trying to deleverage with low rates, some succeeding, some failing.

What we are witnessing these days and practically in the last two decades is some sort of uber ultra leverage of credit, mindless consumption with no supporting economic activities that will certainly and inevitably break the system at some point with all the consequences.

The ‘leaders’ no matter how stupid they look, know perfectly well what is coming and now they have the excuse to blame it on the virus, the perfect culprit, hence this insane overblowing in the news, while preparation for social engineering on unimaginable scale in order to maintain order takes place behind the scene.

It is one giant magic trick with smoke and mirrors that once completed will leave the spectators with empty pockets and little future.

Cheers,

#140 oslerscodes on 10.06.20 at 9:52 pm

Replying to #14, #19 and my critical care colleague @ #39.

The reckoning will come 10 days after Thanksgiving.

The number of ICU beds quoted is inflated and takes into account every OR, PACU bay and decommissioned space in the hospital – but not staff, equipment or ventilators. The ventilator number includes every anesthetic gas machine, private OR machine, training ventilator from our local colleges and whatever the vets and zoos could give up – all of these have been returned to their rightful owners.

We cared for > 90 COVID patients in our ICUs during wave 1. We started last week at 90% capacity and 0 COVID patients. By the weekend there were 3. Now there are 8, others with pending tests. I’ve personally admitted 3 in the past 28 hours – that alone matches the entire provincial total west of Mississauga.

We’re doubling every 4 days. This isn’t politics. It’s math.

#141 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.20 at 9:52 pm

@#130 Floppie
“May I apologize on behalf of all Tasmanian Devils…”

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Apology appreciated but not necessary.

#142 SoggyShorts on 10.06.20 at 9:55 pm

#103 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.06.20 at 7:40 pm
#99 Masks really do save lives on 10.06.20 at 7:26 pm
The definition of “comorbidity” is not the point; the diseases that contribute to a higher risk of covid death are not terminal conditions. The meaning of terminal is pretty clear.
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So you’re saying that Cancer, Pneumonia, Stroke, Liver cirrhosis, Cardiovascular diseases (including IHD and Congestive heart failure), Chronic kidney disease, and Immuno-deficiency, etc etc aren’t terminal?
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Aside from the fact that no, most of those those aren’t terminal:
“The most common comorbidities found were obesity, hypertension, and diabetes mellitus”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7314621/

#143 JSS on 10.06.20 at 9:56 pm

RIP to the king of six strings.
Heaven will light up tonight.

#144 belly rubs on 10.06.20 at 9:57 pm

Consider how an individual arrives at their attitudes. What path did they walk? So many trails and forks. Context.

I wonder what the garbage collector thinks of humanity, looking at the trash people eject. Or the veternarian who volunteers to heal abused animals? Or the ER doctor looking at the fiftieth OD in a week? My happiness at a new purchase, the granite countertops which stirred my hormones, pales when I think “existentially”.

I meet and email with a lot of people who live off on their own, quite contentedly, and their big gripe is “people” or the things people do. One was a robotics engineer. One, a teacher, a few management types. Something jaded them. The only way to find out what, is to listen, over enough time, or borrow their boots for a walkabout. When I started listening to people and giving them opportunity to tell their story, I found out many had led desperately interesting lives. These experiences culminated in attitudes.

Garth, I have admiration for your resilence. At the core of free speech is the concept that a life is a life, and life is precious. You take on a dire responsibility. The greatest teachers are not those who wish to teach, but those who are, sometimes begrudgingly, called upon to teach. The risk is that you affect another’s fate. The safest bet is often to just “let it be.” Sometimes that’s the wisest. Other times, muck must be raked to expose it to sunlight. Thanks for your affect, however you got here, wherever you are.

#145 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.20 at 10:02 pm

Could someone tell the dog with the snail on his nose…… He has a piece of food between his teeth……

On another subject.

The latest “cash for votes” on a Provincial scale…..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-ndp-election-platform-2020-1.5752102

While I realize it’s mere chicken feed to Trudeau’s $400 BILLION DOLLAR vote buy…….
Its a sign of political prostitution (with tax payer money) to come…..

#146 IHCTD9 on 10.06.20 at 10:05 pm

This was a damn good blog Mr. T

Balance in life and especially in thought are more paramount now than probably ever in the history of humanity. The net for all its good, offers a a ton of red meat hanging for those without rules on what they allow their brains to consume.

A couple guys at work were talking about booking a day off – the day after the US election. I’ll be at work that day, happy to find out who won 2nd hand.

I hope to have researched out a new winter jacket at least as good as the Elvin RCAF extreme cold winter parka I had to finally relinquish due to old age and deterioration last year by then. I had hoped to just buy another exact same – but Elvin is toast.

I’m planning on trying out ice fishing this winter, been a couple decades since I last went. Portable ice shelter hut, propane heater, a bag of munchies, a 40 of rum and 2L of Pepsi. I think I can get all that on the Grizzly racks, and I already know the almighty Griz 700 SE will get through the 12,000 acre marsh I’ll need to traverse to hit the happy fishing grounds. A good 45 minute ride through some nasty stuff!

Wish me luck, that was one kick-ass winter coat.

#147 Herb Weber on 10.06.20 at 10:08 pm

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#148 The Woosh on 10.06.20 at 10:13 pm

#70 Leftover on 10.06.20 at 6:01 pm
So, balance.

Bond yields are going up:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/treasury-yields-jump-to-start-week-amid-hopes-for-new-fiscal-package-11601900328

That’s what they do when inflationary expectations rise. The yield curve is healthy too, indicating a return to a more normal, balanced, state.

Interest rates are going to stay low forever? Only in Canada you say? Well, no.

That $1 million mortgage at 2% that costs $4,200 a month is going to cost $5,800 a month at 5%.

By late next year.

Go ahead, buy my house. Make my day.

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Oh…is it 2024 already? Boy, I must have taken a long nap. Most people will take a 5 year fixed. Variable rate is useless at this time. That means they have nothing to worry about until 2025. Exaggerate much?

#149 Trojan House on 10.06.20 at 10:21 pm

Just remember that the virus – SARS coV 2 – and Covid are not the same thing. Covid is the disease caused by the virus. But anyway…

The percentage of positive cases seems to be hovering around 2%. If that ends up being the case, that would mean that eventually around 750,000 people in Canada will get Covid. If the case fatality rate (not infection fatality rate) is 3%, that will mean total deaths will be about 22,500 or about 0.06% of the total population.

Is that enough to justify lockdowns, etc?

#150 Kool Aid on 10.06.20 at 10:35 pm

Our government is not spending to increase Canada’s productivity, absolutely no accountability, scary stuff…nightmare on tax street.

#151 Bottoms_Up on 10.06.20 at 10:44 pm

Covid kills 5-10x more than the flu, and that is WITH preventative measures in place. For context, the flu killed 35,000 Americans last year. Covid may kill 350,000.

Also with high rates of severe infection leading to hospitalization, it is an illness that impinges on public health resources. Let it get out of hand, hospitals become overrun, and people die from other preventable causes because of limited resources.

It is a very serious illness.

Also, it will always be with us. Those that choose not to get vaccinated will serve as an endless reservoir of the virus from whence it will continue to live and pass to other non-vaccinated individuals. It is unlikely we will achieve herd immunity given the current state of vaccine hesitancy.

#152 Barb on 10.06.20 at 10:47 pm

“The site’s suffering ethically as a result. Maybe it’s because bully voices have pushed out the moderate ones.”

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I think you’re correct, Mr. T.

#153 Harveys Angry on 10.06.20 at 10:49 pm

The Atlantic Bubble, Quebec , Ontario and Trudeau are all great reasons why Western Provinces must separate. Canada is fractured. The Trudeau Globalist East is hell bent on killing the economy of the free west. I’m 66 and looking forward to manning the barricade against Trudeaus ‘ Buttskrieg’ . Give me freedom from Trudeau or give me death. I can’t stand the prick either way.

“Dear Everything east of Manitoba…..Piss off”.

#154 Bottoms_Up on 10.06.20 at 10:53 pm

All anti-mask posts will be tossed. You are the wrong side of history . – Garth
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Thank you Garth. Science has proven the virus spreads via droplets ejected from the mouth as one speaks. The virus has also been shown to spread between hamsters kept in separate cages (airborne). A mask covering the mouth catches most droplets, limiting virus spread. It’s a pretty simple concept, really.

#155 Trojan House on 10.06.20 at 10:55 pm

To the blog dog who posted about Sweden not doing so well economically. Not sure where you got that info but see this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-06/swedish-gdp-set-to-trounce-euro-zone-u-s-and-even-top-nordics

#156 zoey on 10.06.20 at 10:57 pm

#139

Agree 100%

#157 millmech on 10.06.20 at 10:59 pm

Here it comes, Liberals have (their hand in) your back (pocket).
https://torontosun.com/news/national/inheritance-tax-can-address-income-inequality-says-liberal-mp

#158 TurnerNation on 10.06.20 at 11:04 pm

This just in. Seen elsewhere.
In the New System all culture, cultural events are banned. Now you can bond with others over your Freedom Masks (so called as I wag, in the hopes your freedoms will be returned). Learn to love Big Brother and the new global CV religion.

All about the feels. Comply. And feel like you are living an state of FEAR at all times? Oh it’s about your health. They love you. Gee they never told us this during H1N1?


https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

– making people feel they can play a role in contributing to stopping spread of the virus;
– Reminding people to be compliant with other measures
-Fabric masks can also
be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public
acceptance of protection measures in general.

#159 DON on 10.06.20 at 11:10 pm

@Jaguar

Agreed.

As a spectator, I am also noticing a degree of ‘Cdn exceptionalism’ as well.

As for Trump…
It matters how Americans vote not what Canadians think. Blue will vote for blue and red for red no matter who gets put into White House. Republicans will hold their noses and vote for Trump as unfortunate as that may well be. This will be a close call and Trump is the incumbent and the electoral college vote is key. Looking at the facts isn’t for or against anyone and people need to relax a bit.

#160 Opee on 10.06.20 at 11:19 pm

Re: Faron 112, thanks read the article. So, this is what may be a good strategy. The media seems to enjoy stirring us up every day by announcing Covid deaths. So, let’s balance the whole situation and insist every day from now on all death totals will be announced, by cause. Hopefully that will take that smug attitude that the media seems portray, see “we only know about the Covid issue”, but fail to report all death statistics, good and bad, balancing the total death rate and why.

#161 NSNG on 10.06.20 at 11:56 pm

Interesting story:

I pulled into a store parking lot last night. My window was open and some kid heard the music that was playing. “Cool song!” he said. Then he held up his phone from about ten feet away. I asked what he was doing and when I saw his phone it said “listening”. Within about two sentences of the song, it was able to identify the song and download it onto his phone.

That’s a cool feature you might say.

Now, if you think the purpose of that app is to download a song that some kid likes then I have some covid vaccine shares I’d like to sell you. We are at the point where every phone is distinctly picking up every conversation within at least ten feet around and the phone software can process exactly what is being said. Something tells me that you don’t need to press a button on the phone to record. I wonder where all this data is going and who is analyzing it.

And if you thought you were immune because you didn’t carry a phone yourself, it doesn’t matter. Your conversations are probably being picked up by everyone else in the room.

#162 Mithan on 10.06.20 at 11:58 pm

I think most people on this poll got it wrong. You can see from every so called crisis in our time, how things go back to normal after, this won’t be different.

As for the virus itself, the WHO reported yesterday that up to 10% of the world’s population has got covid already. If true, that means the death rate is no worse than the flu, though obviously the flu doesn’t leave you with the scarring and such that covid does, and neither is it as contagious.

Just something to consider.

#163 Sail Away on 10.07.20 at 12:07 am

Well, it’s one thing when the White House stops talking to the media… but when Tesla stops, you know it’s serious:

https://driving.ca/tesla/auto-news/news/tesla-dissolves-pr-department-will-no-longer-speak-directly-to-media

Is this the death knell for MSM?

#164 Russ on 10.07.20 at 12:45 am

Let’s get back to basics here.

Dr John Campbell has been a Vitamin D3 advocate since early spring.

He calls out the UK government & politicians as negligent for not investigating the therapeutic value of Vitamin D3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Ks9fUh2k8

I think it is time to join in on this chorus to investigate the benefits of Vitamin D3 supplements.
What has Big Pharma and indentured politicians have to loose by putting this challenge aside?

He seems to be a practical doctor and is a well regarded teacher of nursing students.
A good fellow & follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZLMoLvhgk

As an aside, the wife & I have been taking Vit D3, ~3000 u/day, since learning about it last March and neither of us suffered from Covid19 this year.

Cheers, R

#165 Sail Away on 10.07.20 at 1:04 am

#146 IHCTD9 on 10.06.20 at 10:05 pm

Re: cold weather gear

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I love First Lite down gear – very light, very warm. Perfect for winter multiday backpack hunts. If you need to curl up in a snowbank through a 24 hour blizzard, this’ll do it. Been there on a sheep hunt- luckily within radio range so nobody freaked out.

#166 Dexamethasone High! on 10.07.20 at 1:34 am

50 insane tweets in 2 hours…..where’s the damn nuke buttons

“Chronic treatment with high dose of dexamethasone is reported to induce psychiatric symptoms including mania, psychosis, depression; etc”

#167 Uros on 10.07.20 at 2:06 am

Hey BC blog dogs,

BC Liberals (opposition party in BC, different party from the federal Libs) is pledging to immediately eliminate PST for one full year, and set it to 3% (down from current 7%) the following year.
https://twitter.com/wilkinson4bc/status/1310618019220123655

This is more then reason enough for me to go out and vote BC Libs on October 24. Spread the word!

Additionally they will kill the ICBC car insurance monopoly to let market competition push down the ridiculously high prices of car insurance in BC.

https://www.bcliberals.com/go/pst/

#168 Jeff on 10.07.20 at 2:09 am

Been away for a bit. Now Garth is a Covid-thumper? I thought he was rational? How does anyone with a triple digit IQ see this whole thing as anything other than a bad flu?

#169 The El presidente clown show on 10.07.20 at 2:38 am

Cheeto is already trying to flip on the stimulus negotiations are over..

https://twitter.com/jaguar06_rick/status/1313596454104117249?s=19

#170 willworkforpickles on 10.07.20 at 3:37 am

If CNN ever spilled the bottom line in conclusion that Trump has APD (antisocial personality disorder) they wouldn’t have anything left to (endlessly) pick at/whine about…endlessly talking around this specific mental condition of his draws viewers day and night and that in itself explains perfectly the means to why they won’t say shit with a loaded mouthful.
Biden goes on and on with empty words virtually unnoticed by CNN of bringing a divided nation together with little substance to how any particular issue will/can be definitively resolved…would CNN cover that one?…cover it up by ignoring it before anything else.

#171 Mike on 10.07.20 at 3:38 am

Maybe not “Work From Home”, but what about “Work from Halifax”? Does everyone need to be in Toronto to be in an office?

#172 Mio on 10.07.20 at 3:43 am

Garth – please do more of these polls. The results are always really interesting. I wonder if they are close to representative of what the population in general would say.

#173 SOMETHINGS UP!! on 10.07.20 at 4:34 am

WHAAAAATTT!!!

MAJOR Canadian bank gets downgraded???
Ishh just got real.

TD downgraded a​mid lower-for-longer rate impact, U.S. election risk – BNN Bloomberg
http://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/td-downgraded-a-mid-lower-for-longer-rate-impact-u-s-election-risk-1.1504427

#174 Frustrated Kiwi on 10.07.20 at 4:57 am

Good post. 100% agree that balance has been missing. I posted a while ago that there appear to two sensible strategies. Elimination like NZ or Atlantic States. Downside: lockdowns (to get there) and closed borders (indefinitely). Upside: Total freedom (inside border) when eliminated. Or Sweden. Downside: death rate and ongoing restrictions (social distancing, max group size 50, etc). Upside: no lockdowns, no big swings in policy. But, with respect, I do think it was clear to those looking carefully enough in March that the infection and mortality rates were not really comparable to flu. I try to cruise science sites on such things.

#175 Tron on 10.07.20 at 5:23 am

– When the facts change, I change my mind – what do you do, sir?
John Maynard Keynes

Good post. I always enjoy your blog even if I don’t always agree with your views. Thanks for the ongoing advice on personal finance.

#176 Diamond Dog on 10.07.20 at 6:16 am

#113 Longterm on 10.06.20 at 7:59 pm
#71 D.D. Corkum on 10.06.20 at 6:04 pm
#51 Classical Liberal Millennial on 10.06.20 at 5:23 pm

Interesting links Longterm, especially the excess death charts. What caught my eye with the WHO’s approximation of 10% of the world having contracted Covid19, is the data they used to arrive at 10%. Dr. Margaret Harris (link below), a WHO spokeswoman, said it was based on an average of antibody studies conducted around the world.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-world-people-infected-virus.html

The problem with using a world average of antibody studies is the accuracy of antibody testing in general. Studies like this cast doubt about the accuracy of serology based testing in general:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2516

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/09/antibody-tests-covid-19-immunity-should-i-get-one-coronavirus

Fast forward to serology based tests that have been approved for use in the U.S. according to John Hopkins, and you have these companies:

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/serology/Serology-based-tests-for-COVID-19.html

Serology tests approved for use throughout the globe:
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/serology/Serology-based-tests-for-COVID-19.html#sec3

If one takes the time to look at sensitivity/specificity, one will note that specificity in particular is not 100% on most testing. It’s difficult to say what the overall average specificity of serology testing globally would be over the timeline since the pandemic began. Cellex for example, was one of the first to get FDA approval in April of this year, with a sensitivity rate of 95.6% (according to Cellex). Having a timeline advantage in the industry allows Cellex to price themselves into a greater market share of testing, even though their sensitivity rate is inferior to their competition. Having a sensitivity rate of 100% doesn’t mean the product will be widely used.

In the U.S., 7.7 million people have tested positive, or 2.34% of the population. The CDA has recently estimated 42% of the those infected are asymptomatic. What is the percentage of people showing symptoms who are not tested?

Lets suppose it’s 2.5x those who test positive. 2.34% x 2.5 = 5.85% x 1.42 = 8.3% of the U.S. gen pop exposed to the virus. 27.4 mil divided by 215,000 souls = .785% fatality rate. Plus, there’s still 8 million unresolved active cases in the U.S. that have yet to reach their conclusion so this number will go up. It’s difficult for me to imagine untested cases at higher than 2.5 times positive in the USA, not with the access to healthcare they have, imperfect as it is. If anything in my mind in the U.S., symptomatic cases are double or 2x what’s being reported. Crunch those numbers and the CFR brushes well past 1% with higher viral case loads of infection coming as winter approaches herding everyone indoors.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There are currently 36 million confirmed cases world wide in a world pop of 7.7 billion or .467% confirmed cases globally. Are we to believe approximately 15x this number is symptomatic but not being tested world wide and the rest are asymptomatic to arrive at 10% infected world wide? 770 million infected?

I mean, its possible. Anything is possible in overpopulated undeveloped nations but again, highly unlikely. It’s too soon into it. I think what is more possible is the WHO, relying heavily on U.S. funding, with Trump up for re-election, is doing everything it can to secure funding from the U.S., messaging a virus as, well, relatively benign compared to what was once thought. It’s hard not to think that messaging from the WHO itself has become somewhat politicized as a result. It’s not like this wasn’t predicted. Then:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829944795/please-don-t-politicize-this-virus-who-head-says-after-trump-threatens-funding

And now:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/who-funds-world-health-organization-un-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-trump/#:~:text=The%20US%20is%20the%20biggest%20single%20donor%20to,budget%202018%20%28US%24%20thousands%29%20Image%3A%20World%20Health%20Organization

#177 Diamond Dog on 10.07.20 at 6:20 am

Excuse me, Cellex had a 95.6% “specificity rate, as opposed to sensitivity, my bad.

#178 Cheekmonster on 10.07.20 at 6:51 am

You often target Trump (often with good reason) with your sarcastic digs but rarely do the same towards the equally embarrassing Biden. Strange?

Also I would argue the total amount of people who have had COVID is in the hundreds of millions.

#179 Loonie Doctor on 10.07.20 at 6:59 am

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So if you’re not busy, why don’t you just go home.
Don’t collect a salary when you’re not productive.
The money could go to the caretakers and nurses, who are always 100% busy.

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There are still people there that need to be looked after. So, I still need to be there to do so. I just get paid a lot less since I am fee for service. We don’t get “salary”. You are very ignorant.
-LD

#180 Loonie Doctor on 10.07.20 at 7:10 am

#140 oslerscodes on 10.06.20 at 9:52 pm
Replying to #14, #19 and my critical care colleague @ #39.

The reckoning will come 10 days after Thanksgiving.

The number of ICU beds quoted is inflated and takes into account every OR, PACU bay and decommissioned space in the hospital – but not staff, equipment or ventilators. The ventilator number includes every anesthetic gas machine, private OR machine, training ventilator from our local colleges and whatever the vets and zoos could give up – all of these have been returned to their rightful owners.

We cared for > 90 COVID patients in our ICUs during wave 1. We started last week at 90% capacity and 0 COVID patients. By the weekend there were 3. Now there are 8, others with pending tests. I’ve personally admitted 3 in the past 28 hours – that alone matches the entire provincial total west of Mississauga.

We’re doubling every 4 days. This isn’t politics. It’s math.
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I was thinking regular capacity, but you are right. By the time we realize there is a problem, the horse is out of the barn due to the lag-time. My big fear isn’t running out of equipment. It is running out of the people to use it – staffing is our most limited resource and also susceptible to illness/quarantine etc.
-LD

#181 Al Whyley on 10.07.20 at 7:30 am

At the risk of repeating what may have been said in one or more of the 175 preceding comments……
“For some unknown reason, we’ve picked a sad, myopic, dipstick crop of leaders.”
We get to pick from the options provided by the political parties. When all they offer is sad, myopic and dipstick that’s what we wind up with.

#182 Do we have all the facts on 10.07.20 at 7:52 am

Investment in the Canadian economy has declined in a majority of economic sectors since Justin Trudeau was elected as Prime Minister in 2015. From my humble perspective the reasons for this decline is a increase in regulatory restrictions, a noticeable reduction in investment incentives and a climate of uncertainty.

The throne speech was all about substantial increases in government expenditures that raised the spectre of significant tax increase down the road. It is difficult for entrepreneurs or businesses to plan for investment in the Canadian economy without assurance that their efforts will not result in regulatory delays or punitive taxation.

Since 2015 close to $200 billion in economy based investment has left Canada for less restrictive jurisdictions. In 2019 capital investment in Canada represented 22.7% of total GDP, a substantial decline from 24.8% of total GDP in 2014 and 27.2% of total GDP in 1966.

In previous contributions to this blog I have introduced the idea of offering a government based guarantee for investment targeted at expansion of the Canadian economy. If our Federal government can guarantee investments in residential mortgages they should have no trouble creating a guarantee to increase investment in expansion of the Canadian economy. Canada used to have a solid reputation as a place to invest and this reputation has become tarnished since 2015.

It is definitely a time for Canadians to demand policies focussed on expansion of their economy. There is no shortage of investment capital in Canada only a clear lack of incentives to invest in expansion of our economy.

#183 justdeleteitifyoudontlikeit on 10.07.20 at 7:52 am

“squirrelly balljoint”

Tesla owner’s lament. More commonly known as “whompy wheel.”

#184 Toronto_CA on 10.07.20 at 8:00 am

#174 Frustrated Kiwi on 10.07.20 at 4:57 am

Good post. The problem with closing borders “indefinitely” is that this is not the way the world works and that unsustainable approach will eventually cause more harm than the virus as quality of life plummets from the economic and social harms of locking yourself in Prince Prospero’s palace waiting for the virus to end outside. It works if a cure is found relatively soon.

Good luck with that.

Team Sweden here. They had it right all along, which is what I’ve been saying since March.

#185 Muffy on 10.07.20 at 8:12 am

I am a quiet lurker and have never posted. I think that for the most part moderates like me are lurkers – we are out here and we hear you. Your point about loser politicians made me think of this article by Jen Gerson https://theline.substack.com/p/jen-gerson-an-embarrassing-display

She really neatly sums up how our politicians have been lame ducks for years and now we have the duckiest of all ducks.

#186 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:13 am

@# 167 Uros
“Additionally they will kill the ICBC car insurance monopoly to let market competition push down the ridiculously high prices of car insurance in BC.”

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I would vote for Satan to rid us of ICBC.
An expensive, monopoly that(until recently) was a huge cash cow for all govts to milk.

Since Satan isnt on the ballot since “Christ”ie Clark resigned….the BC Libs Wilkinson will be the next best option.

#187 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:17 am

@#153 Harveys Rant
” I’m 66 and looking forward to manning the barricade against Trudeaus ‘ Buttskrieg’ ”

+++++

Retirement too boring?

#188 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:28 am

California announced all cars sold in the state must be electric in 15 years…..

Now we have Norway pushing for all electric in less than 10 years……

https://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCAKBN26S1Q0

Can our enviro poser Prime Minister be far behind?

The end of gas stations in 20 years

#189 Not! on 10.07.20 at 8:33 am

“Apparently a lot of people hated yesterday’s survey. Tough.”

Respectfully Garth, when everybody else is the problem, it’s not usually everybody else.

#190 Steven Rowlandson on 10.07.20 at 8:43 am

“For some unknown reason, we’ve picked a sad, myopic, dipstick crop of leaders.”
Not really. The dipstick crop of leaders were selected from wealthy PC people in political clubs and secret societies and we the people were brow beaten or deceived into voting for them to legitimize the supremacy of these dipsticks in charge and that is all there is to it.
Your typical voter understands the thoughts and intents of politicians and their handlers less than they know the backside of the moon in the next solar system.

#191 Toronto_CA on 10.07.20 at 8:46 am

Another 19 cases in New Brunswick to be announced today from my medical sources on the ground (10% rise in cases in 1 day!)

So much for the Atlantic bubble!

#192 Greaven Savauge on 10.07.20 at 8:58 am

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#193 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.07.20 at 9:00 am

#186 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:13 am
@# 167 Uros
“Additionally they will kill the ICBC car insurance monopoly to let market competition push down the ridiculously high prices of car insurance in BC.”

++++

I would vote for Satan to rid us of ICBC.
An expensive, monopoly that(until recently) was a huge cash cow for all govts to milk.

Since Satan isnt on the ballot since “Christ”ie Clark resigned….the BC Libs Wilkinson will be the next best option.
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Wilki also promises a pony in every household.
Does your landlord allow ponies?

#194 TurnerNation on 10.07.20 at 9:02 am

#129 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

Well done man you’ve broken free of the New System trauma programming. As you walk around the city and notice all the closed, dark, buildings and businesses – large and small – a result of the UN’s economic b0mbing campaign, and instant tent cities and park people, tell us what’s really going on!!

#195 Phylis on 10.07.20 at 9:04 am

#188 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:28 am.

My goodness. The tax revenue stream will need to be replaced. Imagine the electric bills.

#196 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.07.20 at 9:06 am

Very topical quote:
“Whom the Gods want destroy, they first make crazy”

#197 TurnerNation on 10.07.20 at 9:23 am

#176 Diamond Dog as the saying goes if you want to know when CV will end ask a politician not a doctor.
CV is a tool to re-shape the world.
Do you doubt it? They changed everything.
How we walk, talk, breathe, transact commerce, get education, work, travel, socialize, practice culture.
This is the absolutly brutal New System.
All compassion has been removed.

Our cites have been economically b0mbed to shreds; street people and homeless have been strategically flooded into the cores, likely by NGOs and various groups. They sprung up with brand news tents en mass just like that – one week in March it was rolled out. The Keep Your Rent marketing campaign was part of it. Total Spectrum Domination. 24/7 CV programming on the telescreens. Our cities fell in one week. Almost as fast as they took down Iraq in the two Gulf invasions. Practice runs? Bag em and tag em remember? Now they are tracking us.

Trojan horses to destroy. Now you defund the police…well already in Toronto calling 9-11 gets you put on hold many times.
Taxes will rise, public unions will do less work and collect more pay. See the cartoon I posted earlier.

#198 Jay on 10.07.20 at 9:23 am

Sounds like Garth is starting to get Stockholm syndrome. First be posts about the losses of personal freedom now he says his views have changed and he enjoys his little Atlantic prison, feels for those keeping him captive.

I’m not against masks but I question mandatory laws in areas with no cases as being a little over the top. What happened to personal responsibility and allowing people to decide for themselves when it is appropriate and when it is unnecessary.

#199 kc on 10.07.20 at 9:54 am

#129 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

#95 Blobby:

I hear you.

I have health conditions that put me in a high risk category as does my age.

I spent from March 2020 until September 2020 living in fear.

Then I had to choose. Send my child to school and put myself at risk. Or take his education away to protect myself.

I decided, fear is a beast. A horror. I could not let it rule me anymore.

I tell you, conquering your fear is like waking up out of the Matrix. This past month has been one of the best of my life.

I might get COVID and I might die of it.

But I am not afraid anymore.

Best feeling ever.

I wish you well with your situation.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Fear Builds Walls ….

#200 Sail Away on 10.07.20 at 10:05 am

#199 kc
#129 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

#95 Blobby:

I hear you.

I have health conditions that put me in a high risk category as does my age.

I spent from March 2020 until September 2020 living in fear.

Then I had to choose. Send my child to school and put myself at risk. Or take his education away to protect myself.

I decided, fear is a beast. A horror. I could not let it rule me anymore.

I tell you, conquering your fear is like waking up out of the Matrix. This past month has been one of the best of my life.

I might get COVID and I might die of it.

But I am not afraid anymore.

Best feeling ever.

I wish you well with your situation.

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Fear Builds Walls ….

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Yes! Embrace fatalism: if you die, you die. Big deal.

It lets you do anything.

#201 Yet another Canadian expat on 10.07.20 at 10:09 am

Garth I would take those 210k deaths in USA and 1 million worldwide with a very large dose of salt (or dexamethasone, if you prefer). Here in UK for example the government have recently shifted their definition of a Covid death to “Deaths within 28 days of a positive test” (it actually used to be worse – they just added the 28 days hence the latest numbers are lower than in March)

Yes that number includes suicides, motor accidents, murders, etc (natural causes no longer exist) as long as the person had a positive test in the last 28 days. Add to that the problem of false positives, and you get the picture.

As the old programmer’s axiom goes, Garbage in garbage out. I’m surprised that someone with your acumen for data and statistics can buy into the mainstream narrative.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/

#202 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 10.07.20 at 10:11 am

Garth everyone should watch the documentary “Social Dilemma” It is a bunch of ex-executives of Facebook, Twitter, Pintrist who are exposing the truth about these companies and how they are really affecting people all over the world. It is really really shocking. A must watch.

#203 YVR Expat on 10.07.20 at 10:24 am

The lockdown was overkill, everyone knows that. Since the virus is now politicized the politicians have to double-down to save face, more lockdowns and more spending will send the Canadian Peso to record lows. Our government is truly terrifying, and they get away with it because we’re all drawn to watching Trump. Wow.

#204 David Hawke on 10.07.20 at 10:31 am

#198 Jay Spot-on!

#135 Dog Breath on 10.06.20 at 9:05 pm
#30 Whinipegger

“Name a Canadian politician that appears to have real leadership potential and a significant grasp of the issues and a path to achieve the vision. ”
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Actually that would be Max Bernier and the Peoples Party of Canada. You’ve properly never heard of him because the corrupt corporate media pressitutes have flushed him down the memory hole. But check him out. He’s a real leader with real vision.

Max is unelectable. Move on. – Garth

If, Garthis correct (which he likely is) it’s because that is what his base of lazy entitled Millennials who lived way too long in their parents basements desires!

Max is the only real survving Conservative in a sea of Pink Fiberals!

#205 Job#1 on 10.07.20 at 10:35 am

#126 Faron replies to Herb…

But you seem to have missed the salient point of the article, namely the validity (or not) of the RT-PCR test. This test will give a positive result regardless of the viability of the viral material. It is incapable of distinguishing between genetic molecular debris from previous exposure and an active infection. In fact, the test packaging clearly advises “…not to be used for diagnostic purposes.” This is a tool for genetic research, not for identifying active viral infections.

You can slice and dice the data, compare graphs, interpret all you want, but if the test results are unreliable, the rest is misleading garbage.

#206 Dharma Bum on 10.07.20 at 11:19 am

#61 AB Boxster

Yup. Makes perfect sense.
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I’m currently in Red Deer, Alberta, visiting family.

This is a really beautiful place.

It made me forget about COVID.

The people here are really nice. Friendly. A great contrast to the stressed out nut cases in the GTA.

For the most part, masks are NOT mandatory. A couple of national retail chains say they are mandatory (i.e., Wal-Mart), and people politely comply. In most other public places, only about 20-30 % of the people wear masks, if that.

The atmosphere in general here is congenial.

It’s like COVID is no big thing. Just another inconvenience to deal with and adapt to. Get on with life. It’s all good. Stop fretting and fussing and just go about your business.

Ontarians, or, more specifically, Torontonians, could learn a lot from Albertans, if they could only get out of their own smug, arrogant, ignorant, holier-than-thou way.

It’s so refreshing to get away from the GTA and live amongst nice, normal, friendly, reasonable people.

I saw a bull moose yesterday loping through the forested acreage of a farm property I visited. I got video of it on my phone from 20 yards away. It had giant antlers.

It wasn’t wearing a mask, but I kept my distance anyway.

#207 Al on 10.07.20 at 11:21 am

“Behind every one of those big diesel pusher RVs you see on the road is a story of someone who took a risk”

Haha I guess if you suck at me money, any household with wage slaves earning 80k per year could buy one of those in their thirties as long as they don’t blow all their money. But then they prolly wouldn’t spend it on that lol..

#208 Ace Goodheart on 10.07.20 at 11:31 am

#194 TurnerNation on 10.07.20 at 9:02 am

#129 Ace Goodheart on 10.06.20 at 8:52 pm

Well done man you’ve broken free of the New System trauma programming. As you walk around the city and notice all the closed, dark, buildings and businesses – large and small – a result of the UN’s economic b0mbing campaign, and instant tent cities and park people, tell us what’s really going on!!

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It’s hard to figure it out.

I am learning that in Toronto, there is a small group of individuals who own a lot of houses. These people show up to “bid” on any home that looks popular, purchasing it and then holding it.

I see them when we go to house viewings. They are not like the other bidders. They are not families looking for a place to live. They are professionals. They can bid higher than anyone else and they win a lot of the auctions. This is an odd situation.

Meanwhile, you are right, a lot of people I know are becoming homeless.

We have a situation right now, where a person I know recently returned to Canada, to find that his landlord had evicted him for non payment of rent while he was away.

Of course, he is now subject to the mandatory 14 day quarantine in his home.

Which he does not have anymore. Locks changed. His stuff appears to have been thrown out, from what he can see by looking through the windows.

What does he do? If he is caught on the street, it is jail time.

We are living in strange times.

#209 TurnerNation on 10.07.20 at 11:34 am

A weekly reminder, we are livestock to our ruling elites.
Wear your collar!!
It also buzzes when you come 6 feet near someone.
The living prison open air camp they’ve created for us.
For our Health Comrade!

“TraceScan, Facedrive Inc.’s contact-tracing platform offering hardware and software solutions, has started a pilot project with Air Canada to provide an additional layer of protection against the spread of COVID-19.

Air Canada announced today about the pilot project in a press release titled “Air Canada to Pilot Application of TraceScan Technology for COVID-19 Contact Tracing in the Workplace.”

This follows the recent announcement dated September 10, TraceScan has started shipping its Bluetooth wearable devices to business customers across various sectors to help employers navigate return-to-work processes for their workforce. In this pilot, Air Canada employees are assigned a dedicated wearable device, that can be worn as a bracelet, for COVID-19 contact tracing at the workplace.”

#210 Venezuela North on 10.07.20 at 11:36 am

T2’s goal….

https://nyti.ms/2SyD2BN

#211 Sky on 10.07.20 at 11:38 am

Your “amateur epidemiologists and armchair infectious disease experts” were just getting their marching orders from the top, Garth. From the “experts.” They bought into the panic porn wholesale.

There’s always much chatter about the 1 percenters and their wealth. But what about the 10 percenters who destroyed the economy and our society? Who are these 10 percenters? They’re the technocratic experts and bureaucrats who are 10 percent right. And 90% wrong.

Case in point: Instrumental in our economic destruction we find Neil Ferguson (Professor Lockdown) who predicted 2-3 million deaths in the USA alone. The actual numbers are slightly lower at just over 200K. It looks like Ferguson will have to work a little harder to achieve 10% accuracy status for himself. And this expert is spouting off AGAIN in the UK press calling for another round of draconian measures.

Then we have one of the USA’s coronavirus czars, Dr. no mask/yes mask – Fauci – who just treated us to another TV interview in which he said the answer was to “flood the system with testing”…”surveillance testing.” Yes, he actually came out and referred to the testing as “surveillance.”

Thanks for enlightening us, Dr. Fauci. If more testing is the answer, I have a question. Weren’t the people in Trump’s orbit continually being tested?

Fauci went on to say that we should expect more cases because of flu season and people being more indoors and that “everyone” knows coronavirus transmission INCREASES indoors. Well that’s good to know. But it raises more pesky questions.

Why were we told to shelter in place, shelter in place, shelter in place? Why were many of the parks, beaches, and playgrounds off limits (under threat of arrest) while people were forced to stay cooped up in apartments? And why was outdoor exercise strictly rationed TO THIS DAY in many parts of the world if the outside air is so much healthier? Why does the virus only transmit in “non-essential” small businesses while the corporate big box stores are OK?

Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve they said. A little extended spring break so the hospitals don’t get overwhelmed they said. How many of you believed them?
And do you still believe them NOW? Why?

Their latest mantra is “Saving Lives Together.” Are we? Are we saving lives by restricting access to doctors and dentists? Did we save lives by delaying vital diagnostics, cancelling surgeries or cancer treatments? What of the 1 in 4 youths who have SERIOUSLY considered suicide? Does their mental health or ruined future count for anything? What about the permanently damaged psyche of the children? Does that save lives?

In BC alone the overdose death count since January is 5 times HIGHER than lives lost to coronavirus. Just a guess… but perhaps access to treatment centres would have saved a few lives here.

“Saving Lives Together” is just the newest nostrum which is meant to justify the horrible and utterly stupid measures which have inflicted irreparable harm onto millions of us. But the science left them no other choice, they tell us. Right. Except they forgot to tell us that the only science they deal in is called POLITICAL science.

The practitioners of actual medical science, our doctors and nurses, know that public health is a multi-faceted field which encompasses far more than a psycho-maniacal focus on a single aspect like the current coronavirus. And they will be left to deal with the tragic consequences of the lockdowns. As will most of the rest of us. On the other hand, the 10 percenters will be lauded by the media and held unaccountable for their monstrous actions even when proven wrong.

#212 A J on 10.07.20 at 11:43 am

Seeing people talking about how if they die, they die, no big deal is seriously disturbing. You should care about your life. You should care about your health. It’s not about living in fear, it’s about taking calculated risks. You all are brainwashed. You only live once, so maybe be careful and care about yourself? Why is that “not cool”? We’ll see if you still feel the same when you’re wallowing away on your death bed.

#213 Sara on 10.07.20 at 12:05 pm

#211 @ AJ

Yup.

#214 salonist on 10.07.20 at 12:15 pm

having died once, pneumonia no big deal .revived post death

and here’s the secret surprise
there is no other side

#215 suburban coyote and pup on 10.07.20 at 12:45 pm

Sky #210 great post. Frontline healthcare worker for 25 years chiming in here. With the notable exception of Sweden and a few island nations that pivoted effectively at
the onset there’s been a global response that’s akin to theater of the absurd. Disaster capitalism at its finest.

Onf55

#216 Faron on 10.07.20 at 1:12 pm

#212 Sara on 10.07.20 at 12:05 pm

#211 @ AJ

Yup.

Ah, c’mon, let the bros live a little. They just want to return to that #MAGAlyfe when they could drive a little tipsy, throw their Lucky cans out the window, dump their motor oil behind the barn, roll coal on a Prius, rough up or talk down to some Indians, and not have to fear the immamamagrants coming and taking their jobs. You know, back when (western white/venezuelan) manly mans stood alone, unaccountable, immune to the world, tall and proud (boys).

That time worked out well for us as a global community. Suburban houses for some while global poverty and starvation reigned. Air and water quality cratered, forested landscapes were denuded without regard to impact. Women in their new suburban prisons languished, isolated. White supremacy still flourished extending its legacy throughout the US, Canada, and Europe. Would have been a heck of a lot better if those damned unions hadn’t asked for so much of muh money by forcing a livable working wage.

How dare we now try to establish some level of accountability and to acknowledge the externalized costs of that time? Why should we ever try to stitch humanity together and protect this tiny blue speck in the universe? If I can’t drive my $100k Ram Power Wagon wherever the hell I want and with the guns I want in the rack, what’s the point of livin’? Am-I-rite?

#217 Faron on 10.07.20 at 1:21 pm

#107 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 7:47 pm

Behind every one of those big diesel pusher RVs you see on the road…

Is a lawyer in a Porsche screaming “WTF buddy! Get back to Florida already and let me pass.”

#218 Lorne on 10.07.20 at 1:32 pm

#188 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.20 at 8:13 am
@# 167 Uros
“Additionally they will kill the ICBC car insurance monopoly to let market competition push down the ridiculously high prices of car insurance in BC.”

++++

I would vote for Satan to rid us of ICBC.
An expensive, monopoly that(until recently) was a huge cash cow for all govts to milk.

Since Satan isnt on the ballot since “Christ”ie Clark resigned….the BC Libs Wilkinson will be the next best option.
…….
Yes, the same group of private insurers who are gouging strata boards now. What is the solution….the Boards have asked the government to step in to save them from the private insurers!
Oh, and it was a huge cash cow…..for the “Liberals” to help them “balance their budget”. Now, because they are not in power…..it has to go…how two-faced!

#219 NSNG on 10.07.20 at 1:35 pm

The mark of a true artist growing up in high school was the kid who could accurately reproduce the Van Halen logo on their binder.

#220 Sail Away on 10.07.20 at 1:35 pm

#214 A J on 10.07.20 at 11:43 am

Seeing people talking about how if they die, they die, no big deal is seriously disturbing.

We’ll see if you still feel the same when you’re wallowing away on your death bed.

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That’s tomorrow’s problem, bro.

Today’s problem is whether to bike up the mountain or let the dogs take me grouse hunting.

#221 NSNG on 10.07.20 at 1:37 pm

Look at that!

The GTPMI™ (Garth Turner Proprietary Market Index for all you newbies) is up above 200 posts. We could be nearing another crash.

#222 Sail away on 10.07.20 at 1:40 pm

Three words, Faron:

Meds. Refill. Now.

#223 Sandy Dion on 10.07.20 at 2:02 pm

Hey Trojan Horse, this is the results of higher taxes, regulation, red tape and liberal, NDP, Green Party, Democrats, labour Party, socialists, lefties, communists, marxists policies etc. There will be consequences for everyone unlike what most Canadians think.

Long line ups at food banks in Hawaii. I guess paradise is no more. This is what happens when government tries to replace businesses and free enterprise capitalism. Next we will be like Venezuela, China, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Argentina etc. etc. with no food and boiling sewage for water. Canadians get your free stuff while it lasts.

#224 Steerage on 10.07.20 at 2:04 pm

#219 Faron on 10.07.20 at 1:21 pm

#107 Nonplused on 10.06.20 at 7:47 pm

Behind every one of those big diesel pusher RVs you see on the road…

Is a lawyer in a Porsche screaming “WTF buddy! Get back to Florida already and let me pass.”
……

You mean a financial advisor……

#225 Linda on 10.07.20 at 2:09 pm

#119 ‘the Jaguar’ – like you, just an interested observer with no skin in the game. My comment isn’t meant to be ‘I’m right & you’re wrong’ because as you correctly point out, the outcome of the election could go either way.

Speaking of the USA election, what totally amazes me is the fact that the Electoral College appears to have the final say in who wins. Some 538 people can ignore the votes of literally millions & confirm Candidate ‘X’ as POTUS. Made me wonder why they even bother setting up polls, but then I remembered that the election also includes representatives for Congress, though as I understand it not all the seats are up for election at the same time.

#226 dr talc on 10.07.20 at 2:47 pm

Here’s operation lockstep, good cop bad cop, all rolled into one with at Queens Park open air free range insane asylum aka Covid Kabuki theatre

he doesn’t even have a seat

https://thepostmillennial.com/ontario-liberal-party-leader-tells-ford-to-shut-down-parts-of-ontario-for-28-days

#227 Bill on 10.07.20 at 3:07 pm

#212 Venezuela North on 10.07.20 at 11:36 am
T2’s goal….
https://nyti.ms/2SyD2BN

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100% just takes a bit of time. 20 yrs big Ven poof gone.
As Bob says about 15 min in….People should be VERY concerned no scared $hitless and present gov actions.
https://www.howestreet.com/2020/10/tulip-mania-ipos-food-shortages-bob-hoye/

#228 William R Drury on 10.07.20 at 7:47 pm

Looks like alot of your responses from your crowd are very misinformed. Covid does not have a mortality rate of 2.5%. If you are under 20 it is 0.0003 quite a difference.
210k supposedly have died in the US have you seen any figures from past years for other reasons of death and added up the numbers? No the CBC communist Braodcasting centre doesn’t give out any info that would refute the virus is a death sentence. Why are they doing this? Again you have TDS but deep down you know Trump has done alot of good policies.

#229 morrey on 10.07.20 at 11:08 pm

First, the guy has a turban, a beard, drinks cranberry juice and lip-sync’s Fleetwood Mac while pretending to skateboard. On TikTok, no less.

news to me. do you have a source for this statement about lip-syncing

#230 Fred on 10.08.20 at 11:57 am

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