The choice

“So,” she said, “what did your little rabble think of the debate?”

Dorothy rarely cares what happens on this pathetic site, for which I am uncommonly thankful. But sometimes she asks. I cannot lie to the woman, since she (like most long-term partners), has brain-piercing powers. Deception is futile.

“They hated it,” I said. And a barometer of that was the flow of comments Tuesday night after the slugfest in Cleveland turned from presidential to puerile. They ceased. The Trumpers lost their voice. The lefties stayed silent. There was not enough pride for anyone to lift a finger and type.

It was interesting that as the event rolled, stock futures took a dive – down hundreds of points. Mr. Market looked at what was unfolding and concluded, (a) Trump was blowing it, (b) Biden was unremarkable, (c) the election will be probably close and (d) if Biden wins, Trump will not leave easily, quietly, peacefully or at all and (e) the ensuing chaos could take months to sort out.

Of course, that gloom was erased hours later when it appeared Republicans and Democrats were finally close to agreeing on a $1.5 trillion Covid relief package and the latest jobs numbers showed more economic revival. Up she went – a trough-to-peak trip, for a while, of 800 points. What a ride.

The best strategy (again) is to have a balanced portfolio and seriously resist the urge to diddle with it, especially because of politics. The next few weeks will be completely stupid, followed by a period of utter insanity. In the end, the market only cares about two things – the economy and what the central bank’s doing. The president is a sideshow.

Of course the debate was a debasing embarrassment. You know that. Trump’s strategy was to bully, badger, interrupt and taunt Biden so much that he’d become disoriented and overwhelmed. That would prove the 77-year-old career pol had lost it. Unfit to government. Best-before date expired.

But that didn’t happen, so the president just looked like a nasty, egocentric, insulting and unpresidential person. After setting expectations for Biden so low, it was Trump who had the most to lose. And he did. It’s hard to understand now why there would be two more of these awful debates scheduled. What more is there to add?

It’s interesting to note that some Wall Street analysts say if the Democrats win that the tech guys – the FAANG stocks – will do well. If the Republicans triumph, then it’s value stocks which will benefit. So (naturally) why not own both with an ETF than embraces the entire market?

Also interesting Tuesday night was the moment when futures turned negative. That came as Trump raised doubts, again, that he’d accept the results of the election. There’s nothing new about his allegations (unfounded, according to the head of the FBI) that mail-in ballots will ‘rig’ the vote in favour of Biden, but every time he makes them the market responds.

This adds another element of risk and uncertainty to the recession, unemployment, the virus and corporate earnings. . “What we’ve seen from the debate is the reinforcement that if Biden wins, Trump is not going to accept that,” Bloomberg reported. “People positioned for an ugly contest afterwards have been validated.” And this fund manager comment: “The debate just added to the confusion about how the election will run.”

Says my corporate analyst buddy Jason Castelli:

“The option market is pricing in greater volatility not only in November, but December as well. This is atypical during the election cycle as implied volatility typically declines once the election is done. In order words, the market is expecting the election results to drag on for weeks after November 3…. Regardless of who wins there will be protests and potentially some social unrest, so expect this as your base case.”

Meanwhile listen to the tone that veteran New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman has adopted. After Tuesday night’s debate and Trump’s words, it could be 1863 all over again (he says):

Trump’s motives could not be more transparent. If he does not win the Electoral College, he’ll muddy the results so that the outcome can be decided only by the Supreme Court or the House of Representatives (where each state delegation gets one vote). Trump has advantages in both right now, which he has boasted about for the past week.

I can’t say this any more clearly: Our democracy is in terrible danger — more danger than it has been since the Civil War, more danger than after Pearl Harbor, more danger than during the Cuban missile crisis and more danger than during Watergate.

Okay, so why did the Dow end up gaining ground (300 points) the day after? Well, because Trump doesn’t really matter as much as he think he does. Nor does Joe Biden. More consequential are the employment figures, the progress of vaccines, central bank bond-buying and oodles of extra government cash unleashed into the economy.

Oh yeah, and this. If there must be an ugly election, Mr. Market says, please let it be decisive.

206 comments ↓

#1 tkid on 09.30.20 at 3:47 pm

There are times when your column is precise enough that I have nothing to add to the conversation, but an upvote button would be nice.

#2 Terry Meuwsen on 09.30.20 at 3:48 pm

FTrump will win and it is just that simple.

#3 Jimmy Zhao on 09.30.20 at 3:50 pm

We’ve been upgraded from ‘Deplorables’ to ‘Little Rabble’

#4 Robert B on 09.30.20 at 3:51 pm

It was not a fair debate…the bully against the old man.

Trump is a vote for USA first.
Oil is not a bad thing.
He doesn’t believe in Man made Global warming changed to Climate change

Biden is a vote for the globalists.
Oil is a bad thing.
Yes man did cause Global warming changed to Climate change.

Nice how Trump approved a railway. from Alberta to Alaska.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7361339/alberta-alaska-rail-trump-approval-a2a/

#5 Dennis Albert on 09.30.20 at 3:51 pm

Trump might invade Venezuela as a distraction. Mike Pompeo was in Guyana to meet with the government to install a military base on the oil-rich offshore. Guyana has over 65 billion barrels of oil located at the Venezuelan border.

#6 Friend of the Mayor on 09.30.20 at 3:51 pm

Yes that was a gong show.

But I still cant believe Biden is only worth 9 Million

#7 JacqueShellacque on 09.30.20 at 3:55 pm

Having an ambiguous election decided in the House of Representatives would not be anti-democratic. Someone has to be picked, and there’s a system in place for that.

A disputed election priced in weeks before the vote won’t really affect markets much. There’s no edge to be gained. Now it’s the possibility of a clear election night win that investors may want to cover for – maybe throw a few bucks at some calls.

Not sure where we ever got the idea that politics needs to be civil. It’s a rough business, and should be.

#8 Vote for Harris on 09.30.20 at 3:55 pm

Sad country falling apart.

#9 FreeBird on 09.30.20 at 3:57 pm

Full transcript of debate. FWIW which prob isn’t much.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-debate-transcript-2020/amp

#10 Roscoe on 09.30.20 at 3:59 pm

“… Of course, that gloom was erased hours later when it appeared Republicans and Democrats were finally close to agreeing on a $1.5 trillion Covid relief package…”

Ofcourse, what else could allow these markets to stay afloat (close to all time highs) if it wasn’t for govt monies propping up the markets. Simply Ridiculous!

As ridiculous as a 15 year old kid collecting $2000 a month on Cerb.

#11 A J on 09.30.20 at 4:00 pm

If after yesterday’s debate you STILL can’t understand why people hate Trump, your mind is poisoned.

#12 Billy Buoy on 09.30.20 at 4:00 pm

Stimulus is the ONLY thing that matters.

Not debt, price discovery, the president, etc.

“It’s the STIMULUS S ________.”

“In the STIMULUS WE TRUST” will be on all currency soon. (For as long as it lasts.)

#13 Mosey on 09.30.20 at 4:01 pm

Interesting that some think the FAANG stocks will do well with a D win. Others that I have read indicate that if they do get the win, Elizabeth Warren and other prominent folk on the D side will be pressed into action to (finally) regulate big tech and social media – and that will be a braking mechanism to their profit margins. I do not see anything impeding their profits if the Rs maintain power…

#14 R on 09.30.20 at 4:02 pm

I used to believe if you had the truth and integrity on your side, you would prevail. Then Trump got elected.

#15 Captain Uppa on 09.30.20 at 4:02 pm

We’re not perfect up north, but hot diggity damn am I ever glad to not live in the US.

That is the best they have?!

#16 Billy Buoy on 09.30.20 at 4:06 pm

Today’s market action was also influenced by :

Month End

Quarter end

Mnuchin chatting with Pelosi about STIMULUS.

(Notice the DROP when Mitch came out to pour cold water on being “far apart” on a deal ??????)

Let’s see what reality brings tomorrow.

#17 baloney Sandwitch on 09.30.20 at 4:07 pm

Ugly States of America. USA USA. Scary!

#18 SunShowers on 09.30.20 at 4:07 pm

To be fair Garth, I wouldn’t really describe anybody voting for Biden as a “lefty” necessarily.

Trump accuses Biden of wanting to do all these awesome left-wing things like banning fracking, and then Biden has to interject and insist that he in fact, does not want to do those awesome left-wing things.

#19 Dolce Vita on 09.30.20 at 4:12 pm

Nice skate thru Garth.

Give your take on the debate + Blog thematic financial and economic ramifications. Nice.

Best European synopsis headline by Corriere della Sera (on a very, very small side panel):

“You are a clown”. “You have nothing intelligent, Joe.
The Biden-Trump TV duel in 2 minutes”

Pompeo come to see the Pope got more coverage in Italia. Other major Italian or European dailies did not give the debate front page news (not even Paris Match who, you know…).

Actually, THE best US debate headline in Europe was by Der Spiegel this morning, it began with

“Pool Boy…”

the rest I cannot remember…they pulled it as of this evening.

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Face it Canada, you’re OBSESSED with America and their politics.

Yes, yes I know…one of them can press the Red Button.

Neither gives comfort on that.

#20 themarketear on 09.30.20 at 4:13 pm

For a brief chart detailing potential presidential outcomes and subsequent market scenarios:

https://themarketear.com/posts/cw0mtKbiBs

And portfolios:

https://themarketear.com/posts/cbRHVkiSju

#21 Shirl Clarts on 09.30.20 at 4:15 pm

#9 FreeBird on 09.30.20 at 3:57 pm
Full transcript of debate. FWIW which prob isn’t much.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-1st-presidential-debate-transcript-2020/amp

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I watched the entire debate. It was awesome and chaotic.

Reporters there said that with the smaller audience, it was jarring, shocking.

Funniest line from Trump:
President Donald J. Trump: (06:36)
I don’t wear a mask like him. Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.

I definitely want 2 more of these debates, just to see if either of them improve.

Oh, and Joe needs to stutter less, and learn to talk over Trump.

#22 O caNnABis! on 09.30.20 at 4:20 pm

GARth, aFTEr lasT NIght’s debATE evERBUddy nEEDS a feW DOObieeS to cHILL.

MariJUanA sTOCks wiLL gO tHRU thE rOOF tHe nEXT FEw mONTHs whILE pEEpul trY to EScape aLL thiS poLITIcal crAP. buY iN nOW! SUpplies aRE loW.

HAppY 4:20 evERBuddY

JUst cHILL.

#23 Lambchop on 09.30.20 at 4:20 pm

15 Captain Uppa on 09.30.20 at 4:02 pm
We’re not perfect up north, but hot diggity damn am I ever glad to not live in the US.

That is the best they have?!

_______________

ahahahahaha!
Have you had a look at the “best” that we have lately???
Canadians are in no position to gloat or judge. Our leader is bankrupting us and selling us out to the most socialist bidder.

#24 MF on 09.30.20 at 4:21 pm

Lol

What did the fed spend on bonds this week? How many billion ?

Stocks didn’t go anywhere, they were just manipulated upward. Same poop since 2008.

Forget trump, what is the game plan here? Buy bonds forever? Do they even have a clue?

MF

#25 Oakville Rocks! on 09.30.20 at 4:25 pm

The Trump presidency has been the best thing to happen to Russia, China and any other tinpot dictator, fascist looking to justify their anti-democratic existence.

What an embarrassment for the “leader of the free world”.

Things could get hairy real soon with Trump imploring his supporters to show up at polling stations to declare themselves poll watchers.

Crazy!

And my first thoughts on Biden, why does he look so pale it makes him look even older. Biden should pull a Trudeau and start doing push ups right on the stage. If Trump has problems making his way up & down a moderate incline, a push up is likely to kill him or at a minimum leave him gasping for breath.

Let’s Go Joe!

and before I forget.. Let’s Go Blue Jays!

#26 Ace Goodheart on 09.30.20 at 4:27 pm

Part #1 of my prediction as to the “way things are going to go” with COVID, sadly coming true:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-protests-are-ramping-up-as-lockdown-fatigue-and-economic-destruction/

#27 Shamus on 09.30.20 at 4:30 pm

I’m no fan of Donald Trump, but Joe Biden is definitely not worthy of being President either.

Trump will win.

#28 dave on 09.30.20 at 4:31 pm

After this debate, Trump needs a distraction to bring the country together. He will find a threat and face it head on…its the American Way!!!

#29 Catalyst on 09.30.20 at 4:33 pm

The debate was so dejecting to watch. Would you have hired someone who acts like trump to be your gardener? No because you’d be scared he might lose his temper and stab you. Instead this man is running the country and basically the world.

I watched some of the post debate scrum with ‘undecided voters’ and a few people say how they really liked Trumps energy and thought Biden didn’t put out anything of substance. Therefore, he has moved from undecided camp to team Trump. While I don’t want to believe this debate could truely sway anyone to Trump, there is an undeniably large base of trumpers who are more motivated than the fragmented left.

I have been raising cash to USD hoping for some volatility. You can’t take advantage if you don’t have cash. The layoffs are starting to roll in larger and larger and as soon as the market finally understands we are in a multi-year recession, than it’s over for equities unless the fed starts buying up those too. Interestingly, the Bank of Japan owns 15% of equities in their market and this might be the trend that makes it’s way over here next year.

#30 Catalyst on 09.30.20 at 4:36 pm

On a canadian note, the CECRA (rent subsidy) ends tomorrow. Who is the segment hit hardest by the pandemic if not small business and the one subsidy they rely on is now gone. But good news, the self employed now qualify for EI. It is as if the policies of this government are written by walmart and amazon. It’s going to be a tough winter for many small biz.

#31 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 4:42 pm

Next debate is between VP’s

Pence will have to ask mummy/wife first to see if he’s allowed to talk to another woman.

lol

#32 Hawk on 09.30.20 at 4:48 pm

Trump made a big mistake agreeing to a debate, where he knows the moderator is going to ask him 95% of the tough questions, rather than a 50/50 split, plus keep assisting the other guy.

He should have had the sense to demand a vetted net neutral moderator, or bowed out. His subsequent tweet shows his realization of spilled milk but he quipped that a 2 against one was fun, to make light of it.

That said, debates are just presidential reality shows, they don’t influence anyone’s opinion, people will vote for whoever they want to regardless of either guys actions or inactions.

An incumbent always has more to answer for. But on my TV both candidates were asked the same questions. – Garth

#33 Doug t on 09.30.20 at 4:54 pm

Get the popcorn out – if you thought 2020 has been a sh*t year just wait for 2021

RATM

#34 mike from mtl on 09.30.20 at 5:04 pm

Why waste your time watching trash tv about two candidates, in a country you can’t vote for? Never seen one of these televised things, and don’t intend to start now.

Sure, living next door to the biggest economy in the world which takes 70% of our exports and sustains our standard of living. Why should we possibly care? – Garth

#35 Stone on 09.30.20 at 5:04 pm

So,” she said, “what did your little rabble think of the debate?”

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I like how your wife thinks.

#36 not 1st on 09.30.20 at 5:05 pm

Garth, you are going to need a real stiff drink on Nov 3.

#37 binky barnes on 09.30.20 at 5:05 pm

Trump was aggressive, sure, but Biden was so rude and the only one I saw slinging insults. Democrats should be embarrassed. But I’m supposed to think Trump was insulting because the media says so?

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I am no more a fan of the left-wing media than you but no way this is correct. Trump badgered not only Biden but the moderator for 90 minutes. Non-stop.

And if the Dems wanted to win this thing they should have nominated Cory Booker.

BB

#38 Penny Henny on 09.30.20 at 5:06 pm

#13 Mosey on 09.30.20 at 4:01 pm
Interesting that some think the FAANG stocks will do well with a D win. Others that I have read indicate that if they do get the win, Elizabeth Warren and other prominent folk on the D side will be pressed into action to (finally) regulate big tech and social media – and that will be a braking mechanism to their profit margins. I do not see anything impeding their profits if the Rs maintain power…
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My feelings exactly.

#39 Linda on 09.30.20 at 5:07 pm

Didn’t watch the debate, just read the headlines which summarized the debacle. As for Trump – ‘just looked like a nasty, egocentric, insulting and unpresidential person.’ In other words, Trump was just being his usual self, though I concede he probably made more of an effort this time round.

Regarding the possible post electoral slugfest, if the founding fathers & their descendants didn’t allow for such a possibility pre-Trump, they will most certainly be putting measures in place post-Trump to ensure any future electoral battles don’t include having to pry the office out of the hands of the loser at further cost to the electorate. This will need to be addressed even if Trump wins, because someone who has made it clear that he will do anything to ‘win’, including overturning the wishes of the electorate, is not likely to be willing to limit his tenure in office either. If other countries have ‘presidents for life’, why not America?

#40 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:14 pm

I must be one seriously enlightened knuckle dragger – I did not watch the US Presidential debate!

#41 espressobob on 09.30.20 at 5:15 pm

Timing the markets is next to impossible. Anytime is a good time to buy in and take profit on the upside and load up when things go south.

No wonder most would benefit from professional management.

Less drama.

#42 Penny Henny on 09.30.20 at 5:15 pm

#34 Hawk on 09.30.20 at 4:48 pm
Trump made a big mistake agreeing to a debate, where he knows the moderator is going to ask him 95% of the tough questions, rather than a 50/50 split, plus keep assisting the other guy.

An incumbent always has more to answer for. But on my TV both candidates were asked the same questions. – Garth

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I caught the last half hour or so and there was definitely much different questions for the two of them.

#43 OrangeOnWhite on 09.30.20 at 5:17 pm

#34 Hawk on 09.30.20 at 4:48 pm

Yeah, I agree. “Are you willing to condemn white supremacists?” is a real toughie! /sarc

He succeeded in rallying white supremacists with his answer. Real stand-up fellow.

#44 Coho on 09.30.20 at 5:18 pm

Among other things, it is a time of exposure of corruption and a lust for power by any means, however perverse, justifies the ends.

There is talk of T not leaving if he loses. In all fairness, the Dems have never accepted his winning the 2016 election and have initiated scandal after scandal to unseat him, tearing the country apart.

Where are the people in all this? Isn’t it supposed to be a government of the people, for the people and by the people? Today, nothing can be further from the truth. Rather, the country is divided by those aligned with what is tantamount to opposing warring Kingdoms where Royalty has all the power and wealth and the people with nothing investing their coins, blood and hope with their chosen dictator thinking they have a “horse in the race”.

How sad for the people identifying with and fighting with their neighbours on behalf of two corrupt political parties that care little if anything at all for them. Next they will be painting their faces red or blue cheering for their respective King. This is the power of programming and indoctrination.

Is behaviour by either party a reflection of wanting to properly administer the affairs of the country in service to the people? Of course not! Both parties have become rogue and a power unto themselves having usurped it from the people to which they are beholden to.

What is unique about the American constitution is the Bill of Rights which states that the rights of the people are God given, not privileges that can be taken away in “emergencies” or extraordinary events. Anyone even half-wake is aware that earthly powers are very good at taking advantage of crises, if not creating them by design to illicit desired reaction from the populace–usually one of panic or fear, to then offer “solutions”.

#45 Please Don’t Lock Us Down Again on 09.30.20 at 5:27 pm

When Trump said he would not shut down the economy again and that Biden would, he won. Doesn’t matter that he’s a bully, Americans and me too Canadian, Don’t want big government shutting down the economy again and holding us prisoners in our own homes.

Has Biden said that? Give us a link. – Garth

#46 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm

My debating teacher from high school who taught us proper respect for rules of debating engagement would be rolling over in his grave at the spectacle last night. That was not a debate, but more akin to a cluster^*^&*. If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.

#47 Trojan House on 09.30.20 at 5:34 pm

“What we’ve seen from the debate is the reinforcement that if Biden wins, Trump is not going to accept that,”

Like the Democrats haven’t accepted Trump’s win for 4 years now?

#48 akashic record on 09.30.20 at 5:37 pm

Not the “little rabble” of this blog, but the American voters will decide.

The network tv viewership of the debate declined by 36%, compared to the last one. Everybody is quite ready to vote.

Freedman forgot to explain how “American democracy” is in grave danger, while there is a term limit for presidency. The biggest “danger” he could point to is 4 more years. Democrats may not like it, but claiming that this would be practically the biggest threat in modern history to American democracy is complete nonsense.

Destroying the middle-class – on the other hand – is an existential threat to American democracy, if we can believe decades of established political science literature.

I would like to hear Freedman’s argument how Trump’s presidency contributed to that, versus other presidencies over the past decades.

#49 Don on 09.30.20 at 5:38 pm

#46 Coho “What is unique about the American constitution is the Bill of Rights which states that the rights of the people are God given, not privileges that can be taken away in “emergencies” or extraordinary events.”

Oh God!

#50 KLNR on 09.30.20 at 5:39 pm

@#36 mike from mtl on 09.30.20 at 5:04 pm
Why waste your time watching trash tv about two candidates, in a country you can’t vote for? Never seen one of these televised things, and don’t intend to start now.

Sure, living next door to the biggest economy in the world which takes 70% of our exports and sustains our standard of living. Why should we possibly care? – Garth

agreed Mike. Not like we as Canadians have any control over what happens down there.

those ‘debates’ should be on comedy central.
You can still be informed without wasting your time on that nonsense.

#51 conan on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm

The only thing Trump accomplished was to create more of an uneasy feeling in the minds of the moderate Republicans.

His performance was pathetic, and that is what Trump is like when he is winging it.

#52 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm

#48 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm
My debating teacher from high school who taught us proper respect for rules of debating engagement would be rolling over in his grave at the spectacle last night. That was not a debate, but more akin to a cluster^*^&*. If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.
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Fudd’s a stand up guy, albeit a little trigger happy with a shotgun.

#53 KLNR on 09.30.20 at 5:51 pm

@#28 Shamus on 09.30.20 at 4:30 pm
I’m no fan of Donald Trump, but Joe Biden is definitely not worthy of being President either.

Trump will win.

Not that I care who wins but every things pointing to Biden by a landslide.

#54 Barb on 09.30.20 at 5:53 pm

Whatever happened to decency and respect. And dignity.
No sign of it down there.

#55 mike from mtl on 09.30.20 at 5:53 pm

#36 mike from mtl on 09.30.20 at 5:04 pm
Why waste your time watching trash tv about two candidates, in a country you can’t vote for? Never seen one of these televised things, and don’t intend to start now.

Sure, living next door to the biggest economy in the world which takes 70% of our exports and sustains our standard of living. Why should we possibly care? – Garth
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No doubt, I work with and have no contempt for Americans, who they vote for or support is their right. Getting stressed and all worked up for a side show is silly, actual election I can understand – Bush in 2000 remember… Even then so what? Can’t change anything, worse now with the virus we can’t escape anywhere.

Regarding faang, yeah should be deeply concerned, s&p500 minus faangs is a disaster.

#56 I fear for our ... on 09.30.20 at 5:55 pm

good neighbors. Hope it ends well …

#57 NoOneOfConsequence on 09.30.20 at 5:56 pm

There’s two flavors of cool-aid.

Even in Canada we seem evenly split between them.

Everyone loves their own flavor, and scorns the other.

#58 Petulant on 09.30.20 at 5:57 pm

The United States of America is a republic, not a democracy.

We were warned the Anglo Americans intended to take over the world in the name of “Globalism”, we were warned in the wide open:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fkdG2qhuE

War (in all its facets) is a boomerang and the next victim of Anglo American aggression is ourselves. It’s not Trump vs Biden, the left vs the right, or freedom vs totalitarianism – its the sins of greed, narcissism and lethargy coming home to unleash upon us our own failures as a culture.

I’ve got my popcorn ready.

#59 kommykim on 09.30.20 at 5:57 pm

During these debates, they should mute the mic of the opponent when the other is given “2 minutes uninterrupted” to speak.

#60 Flop... on 09.30.20 at 5:58 pm

Dorothy didn’t read the comments directly?

Pity, she missed my crab joke.

Just to ramp it up for the next debate, they are going to allow Phone A Friend to help answer questions.

Biden will call Angela Merkel.

Trump will call The Devil…

M46BC

#61 T-Rev on 09.30.20 at 6:08 pm

I respectfully disagree with your assessment and the poll odds shooting up for Biden.

DT got exactly what he needed last night- he fired up his base to show up and vote. People who were planning on voting republican before last night are still going to vote republican. Those who were going to vote Biden saw a weak, often stumbling old man who failed to match wits or words with his opponent, and failed to articulate the dangers and failures of the current president. They are not going to vote Trump, but they are more likely to stay home. Those who weren’t sure, the undecided voter? They were so disgusted by what they saw they may never vote again.

Result? Trump’s folks go to the polls, and everyone else just became more likely to stay home on November 3rd and never watch politics again.

Sad day for America, sad day for democracy, and a sad day for the institutions the west was built on. Trump’s a lock for four more years. Thank the gods, and the founding fathers of the USofA, for term limits.

#62 Damifino on 09.30.20 at 6:11 pm

#42 IHCTD9

I must be one seriously enlightened knuckle dragger – I did not watch the US Presidential debate!
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Lucky you! There’s a couple of hours you don’t have to wish you could have back.

#63 dr talc on 09.30.20 at 6:11 pm

It’s shameful that no Canadian MSM, none, will criticize Doug Ford, in fact they love him. Here David Knight calls Ford out , it starts at 7:30 mark:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xv3bfhfCoWhP/

#64 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 6:12 pm

Michio Kaku was right when he said “Every time I open a news paper, I see the birth pangs of a Type One Civilization”.

Politics, Technology, Globalization, the Internet, youth and wealth culture – all point towards an emerging global society. It’s the last stop before we humans get off this planet, and the next logical step in our societal evolution.

Looking back, humans have spent our entire history gathering together in greater and greater numbers, and every time there was strife, and every time life got better. Today we are moving past national borders with large trading blocks (EU, NAFTA, Etc) and large scale immigration into the West. The reasons are for the here and now, but the destination – well, it seems pretty clear where we are headed.

We see the strife now too. Terrorism, Racism, Nationalism, Class war, Information war, and more. The struggle between the past and the future, with the combatants largely ignorant of the big picture. Same as it ever was.

IMHO, a lot of what is going on in the world right now can be explained by our unwitting movement towards Type 1, it doesn’t take a lot of imagination to see either. Carl Sagan calculated that we are about 100 years (less than that now) from achieving type one – if we don’t blow each other into bacon bits first.

It’s an interesting thing to keep in mind when reading the news…

#65 Sail Away on 09.30.20 at 6:13 pm

What jackasses. My absentee vote goes to neither.

Trump’s a bombastic a-hole; Biden’s base would allow rioters to set policy- next thing we know, there’d be unopposed railway blockades.

#66 Slim on 09.30.20 at 6:17 pm

True story about the “orange monster”.

https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/09/trump-files-donald-son-orangutan/

#67 Drill Baby Drill on 09.30.20 at 6:32 pm

Everyone take a deep breath and relax. The USA is always in some sort of tizzy. I am a senior citizen and I can remember my father when I was a kid calling the US the Excited States.

#68 Bonobo on 09.30.20 at 6:32 pm

Trump will win the popular and electoral college vote. People in the US are not all stupid rednecks. They know Biden will move to shut down the economy with a second covid outbreak. The October surprise will probably be Covid part 2. Biden will be forced to say he will close down the economy. Trump will win the popular vote.

#69 tired of politicians, current, past and future on 09.30.20 at 6:39 pm

yes biden said that he would shut the country down.
in his words https://grabien.com/getmedia.php?id=1031165&key=de7c157868b4418895b9d5621e560f56
his campaign chair https://grabien.com/getmedia.php?id=1029305&key=c00adc82c95352161e394f61d81e1935
and in the words of his surrogate senators https://grabien.com/getmedia.php?id=1012177&key=229129aa84a2d45c3de282b90a9de554

Biden: “I would do whatever it takes to save lives because until we do, we cannot get this country moving again.” How is that not a reasonable statement? – Garth

#70 Long-Time Lurker on 09.30.20 at 6:41 pm

I didn’t watch the debate. The outcome was expected.

Here Albertans:

Trump to approve $22B railway between Alaska and Alberta

Railway could move oil, grain, ore, container goods and potentially passengers
Sarah Rieger – CBC News

Posted: September 27, 2020
Last Updated: September 28, 2020

U.S. President Donald Trump says he will grant approval to a $22-billion freight rail project connecting Alaska and Alberta.

The president tweeted Friday that based on the recommendations of Alaska Senator Dan Sullivan and Congressman Don Young, he will be issuing a presidential permit approving the A2A Rail project.

The project would build a new rail line from Fort McMurray, Alta., through the Northwest Territories and Yukon to the Delta Junction in Alaska, where it will connect with existing rail and continue on to ports near Anchorage.

The 2,570-kilometre railway could move cargo like oil, potash and ore, container goods, or even passengers.

Christine Myatt, a spokesperson for Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, said in an emailed statement that the premier welcomed the approval….

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5740678?__twitter_impression=true

#71 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 6:46 pm

#52 Don on 09.30.20 at 5:38 pm
#46 Coho “What is unique about the American constitution is the Bill of Rights which states that the rights of the people are God given, not privileges that can be taken away in “emergencies” or extraordinary events.”

Oh God!
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Which God?

#72 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 6:48 pm

@#68 Sail Away
“……next thing we know, there’d be unopposed railway blockades.”

++++

Like in Ontario?

#73 AM in MN on 09.30.20 at 6:49 pm

Don’t fight the Fed….

It’s the first and last rule to remember. The partner CBs, like the BoC, fall in line.

In the short term, it won’t matter who wins, it only matters how much money the Fed prints (more).

The election will be decided by early Dec. There are only two parties. Congress only gets involved if there isn’t a majority. Look at how many times in the Westminster system the referee (Gov. Gen. or Lt. Gov.) tries to get the minority parties to form coalitions. That once took 7 weeks in BC.

With only two parties, it is done soon. The US has a different system. There are 50 separate state elections, each winner take all. The tally gets certified by each Sec. of State and the electoral college meets in the State Capitol in early Dec. The President has nothing to do with it.

Each campaign can contest ballot counts in the courts, just like in Canada. They can even try to contest the tally of the Sec. of State, as they did in FL in ’00, but Courts are unlikely to overturn this tally (as in FL in ’00)

Again, the President has nothing to do with it.

Trump’s remark about sending supporters to the polls as poll watchers (in Canada scrutineers) is what the campaign should be doing anyway. It is however physically dangerous to be an R scrutineer in many areas of inner cities, so they just take the poll workers word for it that there is no fraud.

Again, the money printing is far more important in the short term…the rest is just noise.

#74 Piano_Man87 on 09.30.20 at 6:51 pm

Noam Chomsky has long said that democracy is more than a political system, or a moral value.

It is the only real tool we have to ensure the survival of the human race.

And it is crumbling next door, in the most powerful nation on earth.

#75 Rupert on 09.30.20 at 6:52 pm

Can any blogdogs on here give opinion on buying Suncor shares at this time ? Will stock price dive immediately after a Biden win or is current price baked in for that outcome ?

#76 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 6:58 pm

Wait, I thought we weren’t supposed to talk US politics anymore? But it is kind of hard not to because this election will probably have more impact on the nature of the US than any previous one. They are literally voting on the green new deal. But anyway I assume we have some license today so here are some of my thoughts on the debate:

(a) Trump was blowing it

Not sure. Trump did back Biden into a corner on the GND, antifa, and packing the court and the senate. On the other hand he appeared to be a bully mercilessly attacking an old man, but I don’t know that we should have expected anything different from Mr. Trump. The alternative media is already running wild with the idea that if Biden packs the court and the senate this will be the last real election in US history, and Trump will do well to just let those thoughts run wild with the deplorables. Joe is going to have to come out strongly against packing the court and adding new states, but I don’t think he will. And Biden calling antifa “an idea, not an organization” isn’t going to do well in the cities that are on fire.

(b) Biden was unremarkable

He nearly lost his cool and called Trump a “clown” and told him to “shut up, man”. We might have all been thinking it but even Hillary didn’t go that far. Maybe she should have. But if you can sit through the recording without vomiting a second time, you can see that what Trump was doing was actually strategy: He was ignoring Chris Wallace’s softball questions and hammering Biden on issues Biden was not prepared to answer. Trump the bully? Yes. Stupid? No. Wallace did everything he could to steer the conversation back to his preplanned topics but Trump was having none of it.

(c) the election will be probably close

I don’t know about that, but I don’t know who will win either. But I do predict record voter turnout.

(d) if Biden wins, Trump will not leave easily, quietly, peacefully or at all

I just don’t get this line of reasoning at all. There is no mechanism for Trump to retain power if he loses the election short of maybe a military coup which I put the odds of at 0.000%. Anyway if I were him I’d be playing to lose because I’d be sick of this job by now. Unfortunately he has to lose to Biden so it will be a challenge.

(e) the ensuing chaos could take months to sort out.

Or it could be a clear cut as 2016 was. Things are very hard to predict, especially the future. Anyway grab the popcorn.

I personally hope Trump wins, not because I like the man at all but because his policies seem to be a lot more pro-growth than Biden’s, who seems to be trying to appease AOC and Sanders’ supporters. Also I like Pence a whole lot better than Harris and given the age of both Trump and Biden there is a very real possibility the next VP will be president for at least part of the term. Biden appears to be in rapid decline, and Trump is one cheeseburger away from a trip to the ER. I am guessing they follow Trump around with 2 suitcases, one with the nuclear launch button and the other containing a defibrillator.

#77 TheDood on 09.30.20 at 6:58 pm

Hard to believe in a country of 330 million, those two were the ones put forth by their respective sides to lead the free world.

#78 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 6:59 pm

#55 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm
#48 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm
My debating teacher from high school who taught us proper respect for rules of debating engagement would be rolling over in his grave at the spectacle last night. That was not a debate, but more akin to a cluster^*^&*. If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.
—- —

Fudd’s a stand up guy, albeit a little trigger happy with a shotgun.
————-
Would make a perfect President.
……. strong on the Second Amendment.
Right to bare arms, in case you don’t know.

#79 Bezengy on 09.30.20 at 7:01 pm

I would have loved to moderate this event.

1st offense. Sir please stop interrupting.
2nd offense. Sir, your mic is being muted as a penalty.
3rd offense. Sir, security has been called to remove you from the stage.

Kinda like reffing hockey, you gotta show them who the boss is.

#80 yorkville renter on 09.30.20 at 7:03 pm

Trump has no class… period.

Joe might not be the most energized person, but Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

#81 Drinking on 09.30.20 at 7:04 pm

As a Canadian I was more interested in the O’Toole speech, finally, an adult in the room…

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/in-reply-to-throne-speech-conservative-leader-erin-otoole-hammers-china-and-accuses-trudeau-of-stoking-regional-divisions

#82 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 7:05 pm

#68 Sail Away on 09.30.20 at 6:13 pm
What jackasses. My absentee vote goes to neither.

Trump’s a bombastic a-hole; Biden’s base would allow rioters to set policy- next thing we know, there’d be unopposed railway blockades.
—— —- –

US politics right now are a seditious abomination to the intelligence of just about anyone. I can’t watch it without feeling like my brain is under attack. We’re not far behind either, it’s just that the media is on the PM’s side up here.

Much better to just go fishing or pick mushrooms!

#83 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 7:11 pm

#75 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 6:59 pm
#55 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm
#48 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm
My debating teacher from high school who taught us proper respect for rules of debating engagement would be rolling over in his grave at the spectacle last night. That was not a debate, but more akin to a cluster^*^&*. If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.
—- —

Fudd’s a stand up guy, albeit a little trigger happy with a shotgun.
————-
Would make a perfect President.
……. strong on the Second Amendment.
Right to bare arms, in case you don’t know
—- —

Fudd, a man of few words – and a double barrelled shotgun. What’s not to like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE

I’d vote for him too!

#84 Coho on 09.30.20 at 7:13 pm

Ask any person originally from a country ruled by a totalitarian regime what they they think of politicians promising to keep them safe. The sell job may go like this:

“Just give up your rights because we are the good guys and not the type of tyrannical over reaching government your rights are designed to protect you from.”

#85 Flop... on 09.30.20 at 7:14 pm

#77 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.3009.30.20 at 6:59 pm
#55 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm
#48 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm
My debating teacher from high school who taught us proper respect for rules of debating engagement would be rolling over in his grave at the spectacle last night. That was not a debate, but more akin to a cluster^*^&*. If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.
—- —

Fudd’s a stand up guy, albeit a little trigger happy with a shotgun.
————-
Would make a perfect President.
……. strong on the Second Amendment.
Right to bare arms, in case you don’t know.

////////////////////

If Dick Cheney’s code name was Elmer Fudd, then you guys might be onto something…

M46BC

#86 mark on 09.30.20 at 7:14 pm

you go Donny……

#87 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 7:15 pm

@#78 Bezengy
“I would have loved to moderate this event.

1st offense. Sir please stop interrupting.
2nd offense. Sir, your mic is being muted as a penalty.”

+++
The two debaters should be standing in enclosed glass booths…..
A “cone of silence” if you will…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoRYBuxCHf0

If the microphone is cut off all you would see is Trump angrily gestating, beet red, arms waving, ready to explode……
Almost worth the price of admission……
It would be quite an enjoyable spectacle seeing the orange orangutan behind glass……

#88 SomeDude on 09.30.20 at 7:15 pm

#67 IHCTD9

I think your assessment is basically correct. However, the real question is what kind of societies will emerge in this new global system?

The current international schism is between top-down authoritarian collectivism as seen in China and a more individualistic liberal system seen in Western civilization.

The other intra-civilizational schism is between people who value tradition, family, autonomy and nation states and those who value internationalism, multiculturalism, social equity and collectivism.

I think people are rightfully afraid of a world where everyone is tracked, monitored and manipulated by artificial intelligence fueled databases. We could very easily slip into something where drones patrol the streets, and the rich – augmented with nanotech – live in gated communities while the rest live in slums. The future is going to be very weird and unpredictable.

I just hope there are enough intelligent engineers out there so we can get off this rock and colonize the galaxy instead of blowing ourselves up in nuclear war or exhausting planetary resources.

#89 Yukon Elvis on 09.30.20 at 7:16 pm

#82 Bezengy on 09.30.20 at 7:01 pm
I would have loved to moderate this event.

1st offense. Sir please stop interrupting.
2nd offense. Sir, your mic is being muted as a penalty.
3rd offense. Sir, security has been called to remove you from the stage.
………………………………..

I was thinking a trap door would be good. The offender just disappears thru the floor and we carry on.

#90 Sail Away on 09.30.20 at 7:20 pm

#81 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 6:59 pm
#55 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:43 pm
#48 yvr_lurker on 09.30.20 at 5:33 pm

If Elmer Fudd was running against Trump I would vote for Elmer. I don’t see any point in having any further debates to further lower the reputation of the U.S. on the international stage.

———–

Fudd’s a stand up guy, albeit a little trigger happy with a shotgun.

———–

Would make a perfect President.
……. strong on the Second Amendment.

Right to bare arms, in case you don’t know.

———–

Fudd’s been stripped of his guns. How long before they come for the rest of us?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/entertainment/looney-tunes-reboot-guns-trnd/index.html

#91 Mathew Gibson on 09.30.20 at 7:20 pm

Trump will not win the popular vote. He didn’t last time and fewer people are now prepared to give him the benefit of the doubr.

He won’t win the the electoral college either.

And he won’t cause a fuss. He has always been bark, not bite: style, not substance.

#92 KNOW IT ALL on 09.30.20 at 7:22 pm

SOURCES have confirmed that next DEBATE they will be wearing COSTUMES.

#93 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

@#85 IHCTD9
“US politics right now are a seditious abomination to the intelligence of just about anyone. I can’t watch it without feeling like my brain is under attack. We’re not far behind either, it’s just that the media is on the PM’s side up here.”
+++++

Sadly.
We have nothing to brag about.
A Prime Minister who will wrap his/her/szher? arms around any social agenda worthy of a few votes….

A Prime Minister who will toss billions at any social agenda worthy of a few votes….

A Prime Minister who has appointed a Finance Minister who’s greatest achievement is the mastering of several languages, writing a book on dirty , nasty, rich, plutocrats and getting herself banned from Russia……

Nowhere in her resume( sorry Curriculum Vitae) does she have the cred to be Finance Minister….unless you count her ( “because its 2016”) gender ( the first female finance minister! Hurray!) and her ability to constantly nod her head like a car dashboard bobblehead at everything the PM says at a presser.

Wait til the gong show of the US election is done……. we’re next.

#94 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

#75 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 6:48 pm
@#68 Sail Away
“……next thing we know, there’d be unopposed railway blockades.”

++++

Like in Ontario?
————-
Well, Sailo you’re a Dual Citizens.
So you can relieve your itch to vote in the BC Election.
Wilkinson is the Law and Order candidate.
He pledges no Proud Boys barricading railways in BC.

#95 NewWest on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

#64 T-Rev on 09.30.20 at 6:08 pm

Wits? What are these wits you speak of? I saw no wits for the Democratic contender to match.

You do have a point about people being discouraged and not voting. Which, I suppose, is why these ads were/are running in the States on various social media platforms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0e9guhV35o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqG7hBRgT8

I know that there is supposed to be an element of parody in these ads, but I’m suspicious – are these people recruited from the Blogdogs regularly posting here? What they are saying sounds so familiar….anyway, my favourite US political ads so far.

And Shirl Clarts, let’s not rag on Biden stuttering. He stuttered as a kid and young adult and overcame it, which is not trivial. If you’ve ever seen “The King’s Speech” you get an idea of how hard this can be to do, particularly as Biden had no professional help. As someone who still stutters when I’m tired or stressed, it’s hard when people make fun. Let’s not do that.

Also, debates are not supposed to be shouting matches, with the loudest person “winning”.

#96 tired of politicians, current, past and future on 09.30.20 at 7:26 pm

you asked for a link proving he said he would shut the country down again and I gave you three showing that he did say that. whether that is a reasonable position to take is an entirely different discussion.

#97 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:29 pm

#11 A J on 09.30.20 at 4:00 pm
If after yesterday’s debate you STILL can’t understand why people hate Trump, your mind is poisoned.

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Nobody doesn’t understand why people hate Trump. He’s an ass. But sometimes you need to get things done, feelings aside.

#98 Alberta Ed on 09.30.20 at 7:34 pm

Politics is a blood sport. US President James Monroe once chased the secretary of the treasury out of the White House with a pair of fire tongs. It’s probably too much to hope the Parliamentary Mace could be put to similar use today.

#99 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:38 pm

#82 Bezengy on 09.30.20 at 7:01 pm
I would have loved to moderate this event.

1st offense. Sir please stop interrupting.
2nd offense. Sir, your mic is being muted as a penalty.
3rd offense. Sir, security has been called to remove you from the stage.

Kinda like reffing hockey, you gotta show them who the boss is.

———————————–

All three of them, Trump, Biden, and Wallace would have all been removed 15 minutes in by your rules. But that might have been the better outcome.

#100 akashic record on 09.30.20 at 7:38 pm

#72 tired of politicians, current, past and future
Biden: “I would do whatever it takes to save lives because until we do, we cannot get this country moving again.” How is that not a reasonable statement? – Garth

Reasonable, and how is it different from Trudeau’s governing?

Our guy forgot the “moving again” bit. – Garth

#101 Stone on 09.30.20 at 7:43 pm

#77 Piano_Man87 on 09.30.20 at 6:51 pm
Noam Chomsky has long said that democracy is more than a political system, or a moral value.

It is the only real tool we have to ensure the survival of the human race.

And it is crumbling next door, in the most powerful nation on earth.

———

All empires and civilizations eventually die. What’s going on next door is no exception.

#102 DON on 09.30.20 at 7:43 pm

How can Saturday Night Live even spoof this debate. They should just run clips of actual segments.

Now it’s up to the silent American voters.

I wonder what they think? What are their priorities, concerns? Not ours…theirs.

The democrats seem to have a younger following and they are loud, but do they actually make it out in droves on election day? If they do Trump is done like diner.

Off to the next debate…Trump will strike back it’s in his nature. He can’t resist. Round Two will be entertaining. Sad for Americans though.

#103 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:47 pm

#32 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 4:42 pm
Next debate is between VP’s

Pence will have to ask mummy/wife first to see if he’s allowed to talk to another woman.

lol

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What a stupid thing to say. Anyone with a couple hundred in their wallet has been avoiding having lunch with other women unless in groups of 4 or more for something like 20 years now. Even if it is innocent and business related somebody snaps a photo with their phone and you are fired, divorced, and ruined before you get home.

#104 604Sam on 09.30.20 at 7:47 pm

Good god. When did this comment section become the 4 chan of financial blogs? How many of these posters have IPAs in Russia, Garth?

#105 Steven Nicolle on 09.30.20 at 7:56 pm

Friedman is right. It is happening right under their noses. No Honduras cannot happen here they think. Well guess what it is and it will if Biden does not win in a landslide. Trump has everyone so fired up he cannot control his radical base anymore. This will be America’s downfall. These people will revolt like we have never seen there before. If Trump wins the Blacks will be protesting nightly. The recovery will backtrack and the economy will suffer. Meanwhile people will die of Covid and the vaccine will take 5 years to arrive like most others as it mutates over and over again causing little improvement when it comes out. How is your day going? After last night’s fiasco Republicans should have stampeded out of the party or at least say something but oh no Heil Trump Meister!

#106 AM in MN on 09.30.20 at 8:02 pm

Since today is the day to opine on the debate last night, my two cents worth, not in order….

This will be Wallace’s last gig at this. So biased with the left’s stupid gotcha questions. Who cares if Trump accepts the result? Do you ask defendant in court if they will accept the result? No because it doesn’t matter. Just follow the procedures, which are clear, as detailed in a previous post.

Wallace argued with Trump more than Biden. He rescued Biden from having to answer any substantive questions as Trump was grilling him for answers.

Asking about a “white supremacy” is a pure left talking point. Trump handled it poorly, he should have just blasted Wallace and told him to review the actual details of Charlotte.

Trump scored several own goals, himself rescuing Biden by interrupting when he should have let the gaffe machine keep going.

The issue of Critical Race Theory came up and it’s a loser for the Dems, at every level. Expect to hear more about it during Oct. It’s a nightmare of cultural marxism and anyone with a child in school is starting to get a sense of it.

In the end, the tone and manner won’t matter much. The positions on issues of turning the whole country into California or letting the rioters destroy more of the country will carry more weight in the end.

Plenty of Trump voters will make up their minds in the last 5 min. The totality of moving to destroy the free market system and giving a pass to the corrupt deep state will weigh heavily enough on people’s minds to overlook the vulgarity.

I haven’t met anyone yet who voted Trump in ’16 who isn’t this time around as well. We’ll see…

#107 akashic record on 09.30.20 at 8:02 pm

#103 akashic record on 09.30.20 at 7:38 pm

#72 tired of politicians, current, past and future
Biden: “I would do whatever it takes to save lives because until we do, we cannot get this country moving again.” How is that not a reasonable statement? – Garth

Reasonable, and how is it different from Trudeau’s governing?

Our guy forgot the “moving again” bit. – Garth

The great advantage of not governing is that you can be perfectly reasonable in words, while you don’t have to be specific in actions. Like when to shut down the border.

#108 Drill Baby Drill on 09.30.20 at 8:04 pm

O’Tool is very much electable. We need an adult in the room. I know that no one agrees just yet but please believe that it is coming. Remember this post and that I said this. O’Tool will be PM soon.

#109 Millennial 1%er on 09.30.20 at 8:05 pm

@604Sam
>When did this comment section become the 4 chan of financial blogs

When I started sharing this blog with my 4channer friends

#110 the Jaguar on 09.30.20 at 8:10 pm

I see this:
‘In the end, the market only cares about two things – the economy and what the central bank’s doing. The president is a sideshow.’ -Garth

Being similar to this:
‘One of the big reasons many Mob figures did not pay much attention to the gains made by Castro and his men was that they had provided arms and support for Castro. To them it was a good business decision. They felt they could do business with whomever was in charge. They apparently didn’t recognize a significant distinction between Batista and Castro.’

Please also tell Dorothy that we aren’t just anybody’s ‘little rabble’. We are Garth’s and we are, (mostly) ‘rabble in good standing.’

#111 akashic record on 09.30.20 at 8:13 pm

#82 Bezengy on 09.30.20 at 7:01 pm

I would have loved to moderate this event.

1st offense. Sir please stop interrupting.
2nd offense. Sir, your mic is being muted as a penalty.
3rd offense. Sir, security has been called to remove you from the stage.

You would learn your real place in the world very fast from broadcasters, the debate commission, parties, etc. :D

#112 Drinking on 09.30.20 at 8:14 pm

#111 Drill Baby Drill

It was a great speech! Looking into his background from humble beginnings, serving and his understanding on how Canada works impressed me the most.

My apologies Garth; I could care less about Trump or Biden; I just thought that I should add a little Canadiana politics! My bad!!

#113 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 8:14 pm

#106 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:47 pm
#32 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 4:42 pm
Next debate is between VP’s

Pence will have to ask mummy/wife first to see if he’s allowed to talk to another woman.

lol

———————————–

What a stupid thing to say. Anyone with a couple hundred in their wallet has been avoiding having lunch with other women unless in groups of 4 or more for something like 20 years now. Even if it is innocent and business related somebody snaps a photo with their phone and you are fired, divorced, and ruined before you get home

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Eh, not in most non north American countries. lol
There’s more to the world.

Anyhow, have you looked up the word “humour / humor ”
recently?

#114 not 1st on 09.30.20 at 8:17 pm

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#115 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 8:21 pm

#80 TheDood on 09.30.20 at 6:58 pm
Hard to believe in a country of 330 million, those two were the ones put forth by their respective sides to lead the free world.

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I share that sentiment, but I would also note that there were 2 Bush presidents and 2 Trudeau prime ministers and very nearly 2 Clinton presidents. It is a popularity contest. Trump probably won because like Reagan he was on TV. He’ll maybe win again because he is always on TV, he never backs away from a camera. The question many people will have come Nov. 3rd. will be “Joe Who?”

#116 Jay on 09.30.20 at 8:33 pm

#111 Drill Baby Drill on 09.30.20 at 8:04 pm
O’Tool is very much electable. We need an adult in the room. I know that no one agrees just yet but please believe that it is coming. Remember this post and that I said this. O’Tool will be PM soon.

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He would do really well taking over the political center, now that the liberals and NDP are basically the same. The social conservatives wouldn’t like it but who else are they going to vote for? That group is pretty much shunned. I’m all for progressive policies but within some shed of reason and without the emotional knee jerk reactions to every little issue.

Unfortunately by the time another election actually happens the country will be unrecognizable, caused by extreme taxes, destroyed small businesses, debt and other ridiculous over the top extreme leftist identity politics.

#117 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 09.30.20 at 8:35 pm

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#118 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 8:51 pm

@#103 Akashic Record
“Reasonable, and how is it different from Trudeau’s governing?’

++++
Biden’s “moving again” comment ……..
vs
Trudeau’s Throne Speech “building back better’ comment……..
Whatever the Hell THAT means………..
Perhaps former astronaut new Governor(?) Governess(?) General Julie( I need a cat door) Payette read the translation wrong?

#119 SoggyShorts on 09.30.20 at 8:54 pm

#176 MF on 09.30.20 at 1:01 pm
4 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 12:24

Lol as shown here before most government workers (like teachers) earn 30k-50k/year and deserve it.

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Can I please get a source on that?

30K is minimum wage in AB and I don’t think teachers are making that.
My google result for teachers is 41-97K with a median of 68K

that’s 70% higher income than your number…

#120 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 8:57 pm

@#604SamMissile
“How many of these posters have IPAs in Russia?”

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“Dont vury. Ve vill make shuuure yoo have everyting yoo vant.”
(verbatim speech from Melania Trump at the White House when greeting the Daughters of the Republic for tea

#121 SomeDude on 09.30.20 at 8:58 pm

#111

Can you do the lotto numbers too?

#122 Redmud on 09.30.20 at 9:04 pm

“Being neighbours with USA is like living on second floor above a meth lab”. Read Wade Davis article in Rolling Stone to learn where it all ends. UBC prof no less

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

Like many blog dogs, I could not BEELIEVE these 2 are vying to become president of the (former) most powerful nation on earth.

Biden should have walked off stage. He could have given a warning that would have been ignored and said if my opponent refuses to play by the rules that were agreed upon this debate is over. He would have been justified in doing so. It would have been a balsy move but I think he would have gained a measure of respect and directed attention towards him. Nothing could send a childish bully over the edge more than stealing the limelight.

The Donald would have gone nuts

#123 MF on 09.30.20 at 9:09 pm

I expected Trump to destroy Biden. I thought Biden would be incoherent, tired sounding, boring, and uninspiring.

I was wrong.

He had his flaws yes (Trump got to him a few times and he lost his cool), but overall he did better. He was easier to listen to, and his message more clear.

His message of unity was what was appealing. Trump got cornered a few times and blinked with a few shaky answers. You could tell he was talking to his base. Will that resonate ?

I think Biden will slightly edge trump in the election now. Didn’t before but now I do.

It will be close.

Btw, all this talk about contesting the election is just conjecture and not based on reality. 1863? Lol. The only institution all Americans believe in is the military. Zero chance the strongest military on the planet will tolerate any hint of insurrection.

MF

#124 WUL on 09.30.20 at 9:18 pm

#42 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:14 pm

I must be one seriously enlightened knuckle dragger – I did not watch the US Presidential debate!

scars…scars…scars…

Catskinner,

Your scarred knuckles are not the result of dragging them on the ground. Like my scarred hands, they are the result of using ill fitting open end / box end wrenches on rusted and aged nuts. Or, in my case, partly a contribution from my history of Alberta fist fights from the age of 6 to 42. More on that another day. Not bragging, just my upbringing with a proud hillbilly history.

As your attorney, I recommend the use of gloves and a snipe.

I too did not watch the debate. A perfect and predictable waste of time. I opted for PBS mysteries on the PVR.

Cheers.

#125 Herb on 09.30.20 at 9:19 pm

This says it better than anything I’ve run across to-day. I still can’t believe I watched the whole thing.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/09/30/russia-could-never-discredit-the-us-empire-the-way-these-guys-just-did/

#126 Lorne on 09.30.20 at 9:21 pm

#109 AM in MN on 09.30.20 at 8:02 pm
Since today is the day to opine on the debate last night, my two cents worth, not in order….

This will be Wallace’s last gig at this. So biased with the left’s stupid gotcha questions. Who cares if Trump accepts the result? Do you ask defendant in court if they will accept the result? No because it doesn’t matter. Just follow the procedures, which are clear, as detailed in a previous post.

Wallace argued with Trump more than Biden. He rescued Biden from having to answer any substantive questions as Trump was grilling him for answers.

Asking about a “white supremacy” is a pure left talking point. Trump handled it poorly, he should have just blasted Wallace and told him to review the actual details of Charlotte.

Trump scored several own goals, himself rescuing Biden by interrupting when he should have let the gaffe machine keep going.

The issue of Critical Race Theory came up and it’s a loser for the Dems, at every level. Expect to hear more about it during Oct. It’s a nightmare of cultural marxism and anyone with a child in school is starting to get a sense of it.

In the end, the tone and manner won’t matter much. The positions on issues of turning the whole country into California or letting the rioters destroy more of the country will carry more weight in the end.

Plenty of Trump voters will make up their minds in the last 5 min. The totality of moving to destroy the free market system and giving a pass to the corrupt deep state will weigh heavily enough on people’s minds to overlook the vulgarity.

I haven’t met anyone yet who voted Trump in ’16 who isn’t this time around as well. We’ll see…
……..
Nor have I …..though I haven’t met anyone who voted for Trump! How many have you talked with?

#127 Sunnyways on 09.30.20 at 9:43 pm

I have been in shock that this is the best America or Canada or the UK can produce for leaders for the last 30 years straight. So for all the people declaring their amazement that Biden and Trump are the best America can come up with, please wake up and smell the tyranny already. You’ve been asleep for a long time.

You have to be a deranged sociopath to want to be an elected leader. Everyone clamouring down your throat 24/7. Constantly taking everything out of context to make you look bad. Over dramatic exaggerations. Howling Nazi! Communist! Always in the spotlight. Politics attracts the type of people we least want to be politicians and punishes and frightens the type of people we would most want to be politicians. Hence we are forever stuck with these gas bags.

I remember 2016. I remember thinking Clinton was going to win but it felt like the polling was way over the top. Then when that election night NYT poll put Clinton at a 97% likely hood of winning I knew it was all BS. Back then I remember thinking Trump was trying his best to lose for reasons I mentioned above. Maybe he was.

I don’t remember all the enthusiasm for Trump back then that I see today. Latinos for Trump, blacks for trump, LGBTQ for Trump etc. These are all now huge organizations with big social media and even classical media presence. I didn’t see them in 2016. The daily boat and truck/car parades that are still happening every day. The pictures of hundreds of houses in a neighborhood with trump signs for every 1 or 2 with Biden signs. Even CNN acknowledged that there aren’t any Biden signs on lawns anywhere. Thousands of people marching through Ottawa and London (uk) with Trump flags. And then of course there’s the stadium and airport rallies that are still happening. Thousands and thousands of screaming fans waiting not hours but days to get in like they are going to see a rockstar.
Meanwhile Biden gets a half dozen press and his wife at his events.
You’ve got to admit there is a serious enthusiasm difference between the two campaigns.
I don’t know if it will translate into more votes, maybe trump voters are just more vocal and involved but we will see I guess.

#128 Gulf Breeze on 09.30.20 at 9:52 pm

I’d vote for Elmer Fudd over Trump too!

“Man, just shaddup, Cwazy Wabbit!”

#129 Sunnyways on 09.30.20 at 9:58 pm

#74 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 6:46 pm
#52 Don on 09.30.20 at 5:38 pm
#46 Coho “What is unique about the American constitution is the Bill of Rights which states that the rights of the people are God given, not privileges that can be taken away in “emergencies” or extraordinary events.”

Oh God!
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Which God?

Any god. The founding fathers chose the word “creator” on purpose. Whomever you believe created you. God, Allah, alien bio engineer, The Flying Spaghetti Monster or just plain old Mom and Dad.

From the Bill of rights:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Americans are the only people that I know of in the Milky Way galaxy that have these rights. Everyone else has rights granted to them by government. Which means they are privilege’s, not rights.
Remember, our Queen had to ratify our Charter and constitution, and she rejected the first draft.

#130 Canuck on 09.30.20 at 10:10 pm

Biden: “I would do whatever it takes to save lives because until we do, we cannot get this country moving again.” How is that not a reasonable statement? – Garth
_______________________________________________

Are you serious?? That statement is nothing but fluff. What did he and Obama do when 60 million people were infected? Did they do whatever it takes to save lives?
Man has never eradicated a coronavirus. We need to learn how to live with it… Like we did with H1N1 and every other pandemic before it.

#131 Sail Away on 09.30.20 at 10:17 pm

Well, for good news, Elon Musk’s Starlink is working as expected… excellent:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/washington-emergency-responders-use-spacex-starlink-satellite-internet.html

And Elon said it will eventually IPO.

#132 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 10:25 pm

#100 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:29 pm
#11 A J on 09.30.20 at 4:00 pm
If after yesterday’s debate you STILL can’t understand why people hate Trump, your mind is poisoned.

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Nobody doesn’t understand why people hate Trump. He’s an ass. But sometimes you need to get things done, feelings aside.
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Please enlighten me, what things did he get done?
And no, the tax cuts don’t count.

#133 fishman on 09.30.20 at 10:30 pm

Proud Boys: now thats a proud Canadian start up. 1/The uniform: black with yellow piping Fred Perry golf shirts, a red MAGA hat accessory is allowable. 2/Yelling some slogan about being an unapologetic western male chauvinist. 3/ Naming 5 breakfast cereals while a circle of Proud Boys punches you (with restraint) in the arms & body. Sounds alright, not that I need any more male bonding. Just the last test? Get a Proud Boy tattoo. Needles creep me out. Dealt with too many junkie sh*t rats around the waterfront. Anyways, Proud Boys was the big winner last nite. Thanks to the shout out from the Trumpster.

#134 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 10:54 pm

#128 Herb on 09.30.20 at 9:19 pm
This says it better than anything I’ve run across to-day. I still can’t believe I watched the whole thing.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/09/30/russia-could-never-discredit-the-us-empire-the-way-these-guys-just-did/
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Xi and Putin are laughing their heads off.
The debate will be mandatory viewing in all Russian and Chinese schools.

#135 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 10:55 pm

#127 WUL on 09.30.20 at 9:18 pm
#42 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 5:14 pm

I must be one seriously enlightened knuckle dragger – I did not watch the US Presidential debate!

scars…scars…scars…

Catskinner,

Your scarred knuckles are not the result of dragging them on the ground. Like my scarred hands, they are the result of using ill fitting open end / box end wrenches on rusted and aged nuts. Or, in my case, partly a contribution from my history of Alberta fist fights from the age of 6 to 42. More on that another day. Not bragging, just my upbringing with a proud hillbilly history.

As your attorney, I recommend the use of gloves and a snipe.

I too did not watch the debate. A perfect and predictable waste of time. I opted for PBS mysteries on the PVR.

Cheers.
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Ah, you have a hillbilly history. All this time I thought WUL meant “washed up lawyer” when really it meant “wild uppercut landed”! Don’t forget to tell us some of those stories.

I have scars, but mostly from power tools and slag from torches. When I see those crusty bolts these days, I’ve taken to pounding an undersized box end on with a mallet. I’ve also got good at learning to quit and get the gas axe before I start adding new scars. On my bench is a 2’ length of pipe ready to slide on the ratchet handle for those stubborn ones!

I opted for sampling the used guitars and pickup trucks on Kijiji.

#136 MF on 09.30.20 at 11:42 pm

122 SoggyShorts on 09.30.20 at 8:54 pm

Here you go:

https://ett.ca/news-resources/resources/collective-bargaining-resources/

That’s the tdsb elementary teacher salary grid on page 45. High school teachers make more, as they should since it’s harder to teach grade 12 calculus than kindergarten.

Of note, it goes by seniority. With majority of teachers making in the range I mentioned (it might be 35k-55k now).

However,

This is for full time teachers, and doesn’t take into account the army of supply teachers who have precarious work. They are usually new grads, and younger. Some people stay on supply for decades. Most get one or two week gigs. Sometimes a month or two. It’s a rough existence and they deserve the support.

The idea that all teachers make 90k/year and have tons of time off and loads of benefits is false. Its hard work that is often thankless. Tons of marking, tons of unpaid work on weekends and evenings, lots of planning, lots of stress. They deserve the summers and holidays off. Don’t think so? Go become a teacher.

This idea that teachers are the root of all our problems is a lazy, ignorant argument almost always from older workers who have pension envy and are stuck in 1975. At some point, maybe 40 years ago, it was easy to get into teaching. Not anymore. The profession is saturated like many others and very different than it once was. No one under 40 has this weird animosity towards them. In a world where house prices cost 1.3 million because big businesses needed big government bailouts in 2008 due to their own incompetence, attacking teachers who make 55k a year because they have sick leave, then using them as some weird proxy for taxes is beyond pathetic.

Corporate tax rates at the highest of high levels have actually been falling for the past 40 years. This leaves everyone else (yes including the anesthesiologists who write in here) left to shoulder the load. How is any of this the fault of teachers? Was 2008 the fault of kindergarten teachers too?

MF

#137 Don Guillermo on 10.01.20 at 12:03 am

#123 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 8:57 pm
@#604SamMissile
“How many of these posters have IPAs in Russia?”
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OMG! Who doesn’t like a good IPA?

#138 SomeDude on 10.01.20 at 12:04 am

I don’t quite understand what the pile-on about the “end of American democracy” or the “end of the American empire” is about.

What do these people think will happen in a world where the United States is less powerful?

China will dominate the Eurasian landmass. From Beijing to Brussels.

You can forget about equality, democracy, human rights, women’s rights. Everyone will serve the Chinese Communist Empire. We’re already becoming a resource colony. That’s all Canada has ever really been. First for Britain and France, and then the United States. From the rest of the world’s perspective the US and Canada are basically the same.

#139 Nonplused on 10.01.20 at 12:19 am

#116 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 8:14 pm
#106 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:47 pm
#32 dogwhistle on 09.30.20 at 4:42 pm
Next debate is between VP’s

Pence will have to ask mummy/wife first to see if he’s allowed to talk to another woman.

lol

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What a stupid thing to say. Anyone with a couple hundred in their wallet has been avoiding having lunch with other women unless in groups of 4 or more for something like 20 years now. Even if it is innocent and business related somebody snaps a photo with their phone and you are fired, divorced, and ruined before you get home

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Eh, not in most non north American countries. lol
There’s more to the world.

Anyhow, have you looked up the word “humour / humor ”
recently?

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https://literarydevices.net/humor/

I saw none of that in your comment. Scott Adams, who is a cartoon artist, claims that 30% of people can not identify humor. “Mommy” jokes are bullying not humor. Might pass as sarcasm but not well. I think Pence’s refusal to meet privately with women who are not his wife is well reasoned given his position and these times. It’s also why all the offices have glass panels now. Any appearance of monkey business or abuse is strictly forbidden. And if you are the VP, all the more so.

#140 Nonplused on 10.01.20 at 12:26 am

#122 SoggyShorts on 09.30.20 at 8:54 pm
#176 MF on 09.30.20 at 1:01 pm
4 IHCTD9 on 09.30.20 at 12:24

Lol as shown here before most government workers (like teachers) earn 30k-50k/year and deserve it.
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Can I please get a source on that?

30K is minimum wage in AB and I don’t think teachers are making that.
My google result for teachers is 41-97K with a median of 68K

that’s 70% higher income than your number…

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I still don’t get all the teacher talk. They get paid what is required to get enough teachers into the profession, just like plumbers. Sure, the pension is great, but so is it for firefighters or police, or people who work for RevCan. But none of them are ever going to own the plumbing company. And have you met other people’s kids???? 91K wouldn’t be enough for me.

#141 Wake me up, when September ends on 10.01.20 at 12:37 am

Has anybody woken Green Day up yet or do we have to wait until tomorrow?

#142 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.01.20 at 1:13 am

Wow,
Kelly McParland really tears into Trump.
And you can’t call him a leftist radical.
https://theprovince.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-after-trumps-90-minute-tantrum-whats-next/wcm/8d52dff5-79ec-4a53-889a-ec6afe402fb4

#143 AM in MN on 10.01.20 at 1:16 am

#129 Lorne on 09.30.20 at 9:21 pm

I haven’t met anyone yet who voted Trump in ’16 who isn’t this time around as well. We’ll see…
……..
Nor have I …..though I haven’t met anyone who voted for Trump! How many have you talked with?

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Hundreds, but I live here.

Basically everyone in my extended family, everyone I do business with and everyone I go to church with.

If you drive your car through the rural parts of the US you will see the Trump signs outnumber the Biden signs about 50:1, even in states like Illinois that he will lose.

Not so much in the cities, because people are scared. Someone in South Minneapolis put up a big Trump sign in their yard last week, it got burned down and an Antifa logo sprayed on their garage door. Ditto for anyone who doesn’t want their car damaged.

You can take a drive down Lake St. in Minneapolis for more than a mile and still see one burned out building after another… although if you’re a fan of street racing it’s the place to be.

The D stands for a culture of death, disfunction and destruction. We’ll see what people choose.

#144 Ordinary Blog DogMy wf on 10.01.20 at 4:18 am

My wife surprised me, she wanted to watch the debate – and wanted to know why I did not. I said I thought Trump would run over the process and would interrupt until it was not viable, I am surprised why others could not see this coming. He would be difficult to debate, one cannot just correct aĺl that he says, I believed from the beginning Biden should not debate him, just let Trump stew in his newspaper headlines. His true persona showed up. A televised debate opportunes him with a ‘hail Mary pass’ chance.

#145 Ordinary Blog Dog on 10.01.20 at 4:19 am

My wife surprised me, she wanted to watch the debate – and wanted to know why I did not. I said I thought Trump would run over the process and would interrupt until it was not viable, I am surprised why others could not see this coming. He would be difficult to debate, one cannot just correct aĺl that he says, I believed from the beginning Biden should not debate him, just let Trump stew in his newspaper headlines. His true persona showed up. A televised debate opportunes him with a ‘hail Mary pass’ chance.

#146 justdeleteitifyoudontlikeit on 10.01.20 at 4:57 am

Lots of people talking about how Trump will leave, quietly or not, if he loses.

But it isn’t just a matter of whether Trump has left the building. Every outgoing administration cooperates deeply with the incoming one to hand over power seamlessly and efficiently. OK, Bill Clinton’s team did some juvenile damage on the way out the door. Trump’s incoming team was, ahh… detailed in Michael Lewis’ The Fifth Risk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Risk
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team

Sure, Trump might leave, but would his administration smoothly and graciously hand over power to its successor? I doubt it. Shambolic on the way in, shambolic on the way out.

#147 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

#129 Lorne on 09.30.20 at 9:21 pm
#109 AM in MN on 09.30.20 at 8:02 pm

I haven’t met anyone yet who voted Trump in ’16 who isn’t this time around as well. We’ll see…

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Nor have I …..though I haven’t met anyone who voted for Trump! How many have you talked with?

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My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition. I agree with AM. Virtually all past Trump voters will vote for him again and many more have become supporters due to his policies making their lives and jobs more secure. Not to mention the new voters turning 18 in my cohort- this isn’t insignificant with the large rural families, and trust me- they all vote. It’s a celebration day.

There’s a big misconception in Canada about the view of Trump in the US. Fox is far and away the most viewed network. Here, Fox is ridiculed as very biased; there, it’s the leading news network. Americans view government with great skepticism at the best of times and very much enjoy a president who does the same. My Canadian wife always gets a lot of ribbing for blindly obeying rules and expecting US Americans will do the same. Nope.

I think Trump will be re-elected with large majority this time. He’s done what he promised and set policies that work. That’s what I see. He acts like a jackass but protects the interests of the majority: largely independence, reduced regulation, police, immigration controls.

In the debate, the moderator lost all credibility with the right when he pressed Trump to denounce white supremacists AND militia in the same sentence. To denounce militias would directly contradict the second amendment. This single point proved to many that the swamp had stacked the deck against Trump by pushing him to denounce the Constitution.

#148 maxx on 10.01.20 at 7:01 am

Bullies are really only frightened little weenies.

Flip ’em over – bright yellow.

Every single time.

#149 the Jaguar on 10.01.20 at 7:46 am

@#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

This is measured analysis. I like it.

#150 Apocalypse2020 on 10.01.20 at 7:51 am

Weird Al just said it best:

WE’RE ALL DOOMED

We’re living in the apocalypse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un9x-DjTMT0

35 Days to Global Apocalypse.

PREPARE

#151 Better Vision on 10.01.20 at 7:58 am

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#152 KLNR on 10.01.20 at 8:05 am

@#140 MF on 09.30.20 at 11:42 pm
122 SoggyShorts on 09.30.20 at 8:54 pm

Corporate tax rates at the highest of high levels have actually been falling for the past 40 years. This leaves everyone else (yes including the anesthesiologists who write in here) left to shoulder the load. How is any of this the fault of teachers? Was 2008 the fault of kindergarten teachers too?

MF
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teachers are just the low hanging fruit for some of the dopes in here.

#153 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.01.20 at 8:06 am

@#144 Nonplused
“Sure, the pension is great, but so is it for firefighters or police, or people who work for RevCan.”

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Its not that hard to figure out.
It started with the comment that a school teachers work “year” is MONTHS less than the average worker and yet they receive an annual salary comparable to a person that works 12 months a year.

None of those other govt workers get;

7 professional developments days per year .
2 weeks off at Christmas.
2 weeks off during Spring Break.
2 months off during summer.
and 11 sick days tossed in there for good measure.
Now we have Trudeau and the vote (fart catching) NDP suggesting that they would like to add another 2 weeks of paid GOVT sick days for everyone.
Far be it for me to suggest that some teachers might take full advantage of those two extra weeks of paid sick time as well.
When will “the kids” get an education with what could, theoretically, amount to 4 months off for the teachers?

Yes yes, they continuously tell us they are all martyrs “for the kids” as their union keeps reminding us every time they hold the parents hostage for another strike.

Time for the union to get another pr company to rewrite the “strike song”.
Its getting a little old.

#154 KLNR on 10.01.20 at 8:17 am

Looks like The Commission on Presidential Debates is going to give the next moderator a mute button to use.
Will be hilarious watching trump get cut off, guy is going to lose it lol

#155 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.01.20 at 8:28 am

Anyone want to move to Markham Ont.?

There will be a house for sale in a govt auction with shark fin( not ham) in the walk in freezer…

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/dozens-charged-millions-in-property-cash-seized-in-alleged-illegal-casino-bust

Good to see money laundering and the real estate market is alive and well in Ontario a la the “Vancouver Model”

#156 Steven Rowlandson on 10.01.20 at 8:45 am

I have not watched the debate yet but I did download it.
I’ll probably watch it later.
The impression I get from all the reports and confessions is that voters get a choice between the devil and his demons either the blue faction or the red. The choice is a farce and a dangerous one at that.

#157 Gravy Train on 10.01.20 at 8:57 am

The only reason Trump has not faced felony prosecution is the attached OLC guidance:
https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion/sitting-president’s-amenability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution

“Trump knew something we didn’t when he started balking at the peaceful transfer of power. If he loses the election, he faces federal and state prosecution for bank fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and mail fraud, as does his entire family. No OLC memo will spare him.”
— Michael R. Bromwich, former Inspector General for the Department of Justice, 1994-1999

#158 TurnerNation on 10.01.20 at 9:14 am

Here it is. Months ago I was seeing how Insurance companies can play a role in the New System; with a pen stroke they could wipe out entire industries or our way of life.
Here is comes. (A major attack on Pubs in the UK too.)
People might talk and socialize and find out we are being scammed there.

All Old System culture must be wiped out. We are in a Red colour revolution Comrade. Your CV protocols are important; more important than your culture or even religion. The New System is that boot stomping your face (1984).
Wait how do you prove you got sick somewhere? What is the scientific test for that? This is all about science right or is it superstition an FEAR?

…….

“The Globe and Mail reports in its Thursday edition that Ontario restaurants and bars are facing soaring insurance costs and possible closings as insurers begin to hike premiums and cancel policies when most establishments are struggling to remain open during the global COVID-19 pandemic. The Globe’s Clare O’Hara writes that in a news conference on Wednesday, Toronto Mayor John Tory urged insurance companies to stop “gouging” restaurants, bars and music venues with “skyrocketing rate increases” during their hour of “greater need.” Mr. Tory added: “We have seen the evidence of establishments being asked to pay exorbitant fees for their insurance. [Insurers] really cannot have any justifiable business or rationale behind [these increases].Insurance brokers in Ontario have been told that some policies are being cancelled because of concerns around the legal risks if a patron at an establishment contracts COVID-19. As a result, insurance premiums have been raised as much as 300 per cent for some bars and restaurants that have tried to renew policies in recent months, while other establishments have been refused insurance entirely. Commercial business policies are required for most establishments to be open.
© 2020 Canjex Publishing Ltd. All rights reserved.”

— Two pronged attack, our global rulers DO Not want you having fun! FEAR At all times. Until more of the New System is rolled out. #Stayhome they sold us on right?
Never forget in this WW3 the war is on our feeding, breeding and movement rights.
Don your masks, gloves and shields and do battle with your fellow humans/enemies.

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/
10 bars and restaurants in Toronto with recent COVID-19 infections

#159 Guelph Guru on 10.01.20 at 9:28 am

The leader represents the majority.

Out here we have more people interested in freebies and behold we have our dear Justin.

To the south, we have a president who get’s called a clown in the presedential debate.

So, N. America is now just clowns and handout seekers.

On another note, focusing on Kanada, how we are treating our AB bothers and sisters is definitely a problem. Time to focus on the things that really concern us.

#160 TurnerNation on 10.01.20 at 9:29 am

^what’s below all those restaurant and pubs downtown?
LAND. Land for Condos.
Close em up that’s the plan.

Again how long will this be lasting? A twitter user in ON who researches this stuff has a screen shot of a private message from an un-named “Canadian news reporter”.
They were told this is to be a “year-long” exercise.

What might be coming in Q1 2021? New, global government, new currency? We’ll see what has been planned for us.
No one in this New System gets a free ride. No one.
Being targeted are are healthy people, children’s lives; savers; asset owners; small businesses.
Yep a World War alright. WW3.
Never ever forget who H8s our freedoms and way of life. They are on your telescreens. Those #s being used to rule our lives.

#161 Dharma Bum on 10.01.20 at 9:43 am

The good news is that if the Republicans win, the stock market will go up.
If the Democrats win, the stock market will go up.
Win – Win.
The lesson here?
Stay invested across the board.
Own the entire market.

Question:
Who is going to win the election in 2024 and 2028?
Answer:
Who cares?

In 2024 and 2028 the stock market will be higher than it is today, regardless.

This election ultimately doesn’t matter. Nor do subsequent elections.

In the USA everything will stay the same as it ever was.

Racist, tribal, divided, unequal, lots of poverty, lots of wealth, lots of guns, lots of freedom, lots of shopping.

#162 MF on 10.01.20 at 10:02 am

#155 KLNR on 10.01.20 at 8:05 am

Exactly. It’s actually sad. Real lazy argument. Easy to refute though.

MF

#163 Old Ron on 10.01.20 at 10:02 am

Like many I watched the first 20 minutes of the “debate”. After that I grabbed the remote and searched for greener pastures. If you closed your eyes you could imagine two angry old drunks at closing time.

Full disclosure, I like Americans. They are different from us. A little less cautious, and a lot more optimistic. They are capable of some amazing and transformative ideas, and have been for more than a century.

Against that background I find this choice of candidates to be a missed opportunity to move ahead. Their global competitors are not standing still, and China in particular has closed the gap in leaps and bounds while the US has gazed inwards for the last decade or more.

Canada needs America to get back on track. Our economic and to some degree national aspirations are intertwined. I wish them well, for all our sakes.

#164 justdeleteitifyoudontlikeit on 10.01.20 at 10:11 am

“There’s a big misconception in Canada about the view of Trump in the US.”

We can read US opinion polls, and a number of American organizations, D, R, and nonpartisan — do them frequently. At this point in his term, Trump’s popularity is in the basement with George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter. For most of his term, he’s been below ANY other president since regular opinion polling began in the 1950s. He polls well in vast swathes of the country — just not in many of the places where most of the people live.

“To denounce militias would directly contradict the second amendment.”

You callin’ the Proud Boys “a well regulated militia”? That’s not my impression.

Fox News is the unquestioned giant in US TV. But the currently largest generation in the US does NOT get its news from TV. You can tell who watches Fox from its largest advertisers — a neverending stream of insurance and geriatric pharma.

#165 Shawn on 10.01.20 at 10:11 am

Notice how oil and energy keep getting smoked? The market is pricing in an unfriendly BUYden victory. Bad for Big Oil. And the Tar Sands here in the deep north.

#166 Uncle Charlie on 10.01.20 at 10:25 am

Re: 82 Bezengy

A variation on your idea …

Turn off Trump’s mic for 2 minutes when Biden speaks, and do the same with Biden’s mic when Trump speaks.

Or, just watch the Harris/Pence debate and then flip on Netflix for the next 2 Trump/Biden debates. :)

At this point, I have no idea who will win this thing. My brother lives in the south now (used to live in NYC). I feel sorry for him having to deal with the outcome, regardless.

If Trump wins it will be 4 more years of chaos on the streets.

If Biden wins, at least the radicals on the left will have no choice but to stop whining and lighting their country on fire.

#167 willworkforpickles on 10.01.20 at 10:27 am

#142 SomeDude
Europe with it’s 560 million people will gain economic dominance over all nations including China after the worldwide recession and world economic restructuring begins to take shape in some several odd years.

#168 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 10:34 am

Problems everywhere…

We have our politicians, England has swearing parrots:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Weird/wireStory/gray-parrots-separated-zoo-swearing-blue-streak-73333169#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

#169 Chris Serran on 10.01.20 at 10:50 am

“It’s interesting to note that some Wall Street analysts say if the Democrats win that the tech guys – the FAANG stocks – will do well. If the Republicans triumph, then it’s value stocks which will benefit.”

Hey Garth – care to elaborate on this? I’d like to hear the rationale for these predictions. Thanks

#170 TurnerNation on 10.01.20 at 10:59 am

What industry next will be shut down in KANADA by the Globalists – which h8 our way of life?

Communism ain’t fun folks learn from history. Get on CERB, dependence on the global State is the goal. I mean you, no longer, own your own health. You are not healthy you just “have no symptoms”. Egro no rights either.

From IE Newsletter;

Licence to operate remains top risk for mining companies
By: IE StaffSeptember 30, 2020 11:27

For the third straight year, licence to operate is the top risk facing the mining sector, according to a report from EY.

Sixty-three per cent of mining and metals executives surveyed by EY said licence to operate was the biggest risk to their companies. As a result, environmental, social and governance (ESG) risks are now “at the forefront of industry executives’ agendas,” EY reported.

Mining executives said the ESG issues investors are most concerned about are local community impact (73%), followed by water management (45%), decarbonization (42%), green production (34%) and scope three emissions (18%).

A related risk — and the fourth on EY’s top 10 list of risks to the mining sector — is decarbonization and the green agenda.

#171 Ace Goodheart on 10.01.20 at 11:00 am

Toronto condo market appears to be in free fall:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/article-for-toronto-condo-investors-the-gravy-train-takes-a-detour/

I’ve watched for years as many of Toronto’s historic buildings have been destroyed and replaced with these investor owned, Air bnb gypsy hotel condo blocks.

Now they are in danger of becoming abandoned buildings.

Downtown hollowed out, most of our warehouse district gone. Liberty village, full of interesting old brick factory buildings, that could have been repurposed and restored, instead bull dozed and replaced with endless glass and steel towers.

All of this apparently for nothing.

#172 Barb on 10.01.20 at 11:18 am

This morning’s Canada Infrastructure “Bank” talk has my eyes glazing over…

#173 Lefty on 10.01.20 at 11:25 am

#170 willworkforpickles

Europe with it’s 560 million people will gain economic dominance over all nations including China
———————-

Funny, I was under the impression that Europe doesn’t do or make anything anymore. Just old money and faded empires. It’s frankly the last place on earth I’d think to invest.

Happy to be proved mis-informed, though

#174 willworkforpickles on 10.01.20 at 11:39 am

#174 Ace Goodheart
Toronto of the 1970’s before they started gutting the core was the place…the best and coolest of all times …then came relentless unending change.
No one left in those days…

#175 willworkforpickles on 10.01.20 at 12:02 pm

#176 Lefty
Germany is the ticket to industry and renewal in the European Union now left to their own devices to re-emerge on the world stage…but some years out yet.

#176 TurnerNation on 10.01.20 at 12:17 pm

Here is comes, Wave 2 of bankruptcies. A cold winter of work Comrade, for some; others will get Global UBI.
Ain’t Science great!

In the last few year I said many times that Minimum wage really means Maximum wage (flip in reverse to make sense). That’s it. CERB now.

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2020/10/new-restrictions-bars-restaurants-toronto/

Previously, in Stage 3, such establishments could have up to 100 people indoors and up to 10 people seated at one table — numbers that will now be lowered to a maximum of 75 and six, respectively.

The collection of information for contact tracing will also be ramped up, with bars and restaurants now having to get the details of every patron on the premises, rather than just one per group.

And finally, any music or TV broadcast playing in these businesses will have to be lowered to “no louder than the volume of normal conversation” at all times.

#177 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 12:50 pm

#167 justdeleteitifyoudontlikeit on 10.01.20 at 10:11 am

We can read US opinion polls, and a number of American organizations, D, R, and nonpartisan — do them frequently. At this point in his term, Trump’s popularity is in the basement

…You callin’ the Proud Boys “a well regulated militia”? That’s not my impression.

————-

Yes, one can definitely read polls and base their conclusions solely on the polls. My impression is that the polls are missing the mark by a wide margin. We’ll soon know.

Regarding militias: the Proud Boys are no more a militia than Antifa. But that’s not what the moderator said- he instead lumped white supremacists in with militia and asked Trump to condemn them as a whole.

Militias would be more akin to the hundreds of towns where law enforcement have called upon law-abiding gun owners to mobilize if needed. These towns mostly are not in the news because troublemakers wisely continue driving or actually protest peacefully- you know, without the arson and property destruction seen at other so-called ‘peaceful’ protests.

#178 Shirl Clarts on 10.01.20 at 12:51 pm

#98 NewWest on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm
And Shirl Clarts, let’s not rag on Biden stuttering. He stuttered as a kid and young adult and overcame it, which is not trivial. If you’ve ever seen “The King’s Speech” you get an idea of how hard this can be to do, particularly as Biden had no professional help. As someone who still stutters when I’m tired or stressed, it’s hard when people make fun. Let’s not do that.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey NewWest. For the record, I’m not making fun. I’m just stating the facts that if he wants to win, he needs to speak clearly. If he must overcome that stutter, then overcome it he must.

And also, not make up words like “wuddn’t”. He’s running for POTUS for crying out loud!

#179 Ubul on 10.01.20 at 1:01 pm

#178
Such crap from you both. There is no place for ‘militias’ of armed citizens in a modern democratic state. – Garth

Just an other “idea”?

#180 SoggyShorts on 10.01.20 at 1:05 pm

#140 MF on 09.30.20 at 11:42 pm
122 SoggyShorts on 09.30.20 at 8:54 pm

Its hard work that is often thankless. Tons of marking, tons of unpaid work on weekends and evenings, lots of planning, lots of stress. They deserve the summers and holidays off. Don’t think so? Go become a teacher.
**************************************
I was a teacher for a couple of years. It was just ESL, but I had to create a curriculum from scratch, make all of the flashcards, design tests, and lesson plans, mark tests, etc.

It was a lot of work. For a month. After that, it was the easiest job I’ve ever had (before or since. Once you have the tests designed the only marking that takes more than a few minutes is essays, and I enjoyed reading those. Planning was hard since I had nothing to go off until I found some decent books, and then I came up with ~30 lesson plans that I rotated through introducing new material/concepts to the kids. Ages 5-15, English levels from 0 to fluent.

I’ll grant that ESL is likely easier than other subjects, but I also know a lot of real teachers both here and overseas- I’ve even audited quite a few of them and they’re great teachers who do have summers and evenings and weekends off. If you’re messing this part up and working hard in the off-hours, you’re doing it wrong.
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#165 MF on 10.01.20 at 10:02 am
#155 KLNR on 10.01.20 at 8:05 am

Exactly. It’s actually sad. Real lazy argument. Easy to refute though.

MF
*****************************
I’m not blaming teachers for anything, and certainly not the deficit. As for how much they do get paid, I think $35/h is quite generous and lines up pretty close to your 35K per year based on actual hours worked.

#181 JB CONDO DEATH on 10.01.20 at 1:15 pm

#174 Ace Goodheart on 10.01.20 at 11:00 am

Toronto condo market appears to be in free fall:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/article-for-toronto-condo-investors-the-gravy-train-takes-a-detour/

I’ve watched for years as many of Toronto’s historic buildings have been destroyed and replaced with these investor owned, Air bnb gypsy hotel condo blocks.

Now they are in danger of becoming abandoned buildings.

Downtown hollowed out, most of our warehouse district gone. Liberty village, full of interesting old brick factory buildings, that could have been repurposed and restored, instead bull dozed and replaced with endless glass and steel towers.

All of this apparently for nothing.
…………………………………………………………………
Steel and all glass = BAD last about twenty five years in our climate.
Brick and concrete = OK for centurys.

#182 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 1:31 pm

#184 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 12:58 pm

“The constitution is 244 years old. Your defence of armed citizen militias roaming America in 2020 is indefensible. Actually, it’s crap. Now sail away again please. – Garth”

———

I did not defend militias in any way.

Pointing out that they are in the constitution, which is still valid despite being 244 years old, is not crap.

#183 LP on 10.01.20 at 1:34 pm

#183 Shirl Clarts on 10.01.20 at 12:51 pm
#98 NewWest on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

And also, not make up words like “wuddn’t”. He’s running for POTUS for crying out loud!
**************************
I don’t know how Mr Biden enunciated the word, but “wouldn’t” is a perfectly acceptable contraction of “would not”. It’s in common usage. I cannot say how an American accent speaker, from whatever part of that country, would speak the words.

#184 justdeleteitifyoudontlikeit on 10.01.20 at 1:47 pm

Re: The Electoral College: “There are 50 separate state elections, each winner take all. “

Nope.

“It is however physically dangerous to be an R scrutineer in many areas of inner cities”

LOL.

I wish America the best, and I’m not enjoying living in a time when US soft power and influence are waning in favour of China and Russia.

But if you’re going to show up on a Canadian blog and give us all a civics lesson on the American electoral system — at least get your facts right!

#185 Sara on 10.01.20 at 1:49 pm

#184 SailAway

Now sail away again please. – Garth
———————————————————-

Yes please. SA disrupts and detracts much more than he “contributes” (sorry Soggy, CEF and other SA fan boys).

#186 Penny Henny on 10.01.20 at 1:54 pm

#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition.

???????????????

103 first cousins??
how many litters is that?

#187 Shirl Clarts on 10.01.20 at 2:12 pm

#169 Uncle Charlie on 10.01.20 at 10:25 am
Re: 82 Bezengy

A variation on your idea …

Turn off Trump’s mic for 2 minutes when Biden speaks, and do the same with Biden’s mic when Trump speaks.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Turning off the mics after 2 minutes will not stop interruptions from either candidate. They are standing next to each other. Doing this will only cause confusion for those watching at home. Best to hear the entire thing, unfiltered. Free speech, eh?

#188 Steerage on 10.01.20 at 2:24 pm

#192 Penny Henny on 10.01.20 at 1:54 pm

#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition.

???????????????

103 first cousins??
how many litters is that?

….

How much inbreeding is that….

#189 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 2:39 pm

#192 Penny Henny on 10.01.20 at 1:54 pm

#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition.

————

103 first cousins??
how many litters is that?

————

Haha- my dad had 8 siblings, my mother had 9. Two didn’t marry, so 15 families of cousins with the largest having 17 kids.

We’d have full pond/road hockey teams with extras on the bench just amongst cousins.

#190 P.Ooched on 10.01.20 at 2:41 pm

#96 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

|| A Prime Minister who has appointed a Finance Minister who’s greatest achievement is the mastering of several languages, writing a book on dirty , nasty, rich, plutocrats and getting herself banned from Russia……

When much of this countries business community was up in arms about Trump ripping up NAFTA and the dire consequences it could potentially have for this nations economic future, – Freeland was the one spearheading the team that eventually landed the USMCA deal (aka NAFTA 1.1) with minimal negative repercussions for this countries economy.

Does she get any credit for that?

#191 Shirl Clarts on 10.01.20 at 2:45 pm

#189 LP on 10.01.20 at 1:34 pm
#183 Shirl Clarts on 10.01.20 at 12:51 pm
#98 NewWest on 09.30.20 at 7:24 pm

And also, not make up words like “wuddn’t”. He’s running for POTUS for crying out loud!
**************************
I don’t know how Mr Biden enunciated the word, but “wouldn’t” is a perfectly acceptable contraction of “would not”. It’s in common usage. I cannot say how an American accent speaker, from whatever part of that country, would speak the words.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You’re talking about accent. What about pernunceashun.

I just saying, he suddn’t do that.

#192 KLNR on 10.01.20 at 2:48 pm

@#176 Lefty on 10.01.20 at 11:25 am
#170 willworkforpickles

Europe with it’s 560 million people will gain economic dominance over all nations including China
———————-

Funny, I was under the impression that Europe doesn’t do or make anything anymore. Just old money and faded empires. It’s frankly the last place on earth I’d think to invest.

Happy to be proved mis-informed, though
—————-

Germany does alright.
Time to accept that the future won’t be relying on manufacturing. that age is over.

#193 Stone on 10.01.20 at 2:49 pm

#195 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 2:39 pm
#192 Penny Henny on 10.01.20 at 1:54 pm

#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition.

————

103 first cousins??
how many litters is that?

————

Haha- my dad had 8 siblings, my mother had 9. Two didn’t marry, so 15 families of cousins with the largest having 17 kids.

We’d have full pond/road hockey teams with extras on the bench just amongst cousins.

———

In Venezuela? Folding one lie into the next lie into the next. Next, you’re going to tell us you’re related to the Queen? And Nostradamus?

Can’t wait till you get banned again.

#194 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.01.20 at 2:50 pm

@#191 sara
“(…..and other SA fan boys).

++++
Are you feeling ok today sara?
you usually spell it “bois” ( is that politically correct?)

I’m worried for you….

#195 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.01.20 at 2:55 pm

@#196 Poo. ched
“Does she get any credit for that?”

+++

Ahahahaa.
You actually believe that Chrystia sat down and hammered out the trade points?
My god.
Legions of bureaucrats spending countless meetings, creatd, negotiated, drafted and wrote the final agreements that she……signed… with much hoopla and fanfare…..
And a few weeks later the US ignored all that pufery and slapped us with an Aluminum tariff ( kinda like the decades long softwood lumber debacle).

So , sorry , no.
She gets zero cred for that agreement.

#196 Doug in London on 10.01.20 at 3:17 pm

What did I think of the debate? I’ve watched many candidate’s debates and this one was by far the WORST of all. I’ve heard arguments between preteen kids that were more civilized. Did anyone watch that debate before a federal or provincial election where Steve Paikin, host of the TVO show The Agenda, was the moderator? He did an EXCELLENT job of moderating the debate. He wouldn’t tolerate any of the rude behaviour we saw Tuesday night. I think the Canadian and U.S. Governments should get together and make arrangements for him to come to The States to moderate the next 2 debates, if they are to be at all worthwhile. The other addition should be a button or switch to mute the person (usually Trump) who rudely speaks out of turn.

As for how the stock markets will be affected I have absolutely NO IDEA what will happen. If the markets take a dive it will be a buying opportunity, as Warren Buffett says. I suspect it will be like right now, where the market is bouncing around in a chaotic manner like the load ammeter did on the rock crusher I saw many years ago at the MacIntyre Mine in Timmins. If you play your cards right you can make money in this kind of market. Otherwise just park your ass in the comfy cozy chair, put your feet up, relax and let the dividends roll in.

#197 IHCTD9 on 10.01.20 at 3:52 pm

#195 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 2:39 pm
#192 Penny Henny on 10.01.20 at 1:54 pm

#150 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 5:10 am

My bird hunting/dog trialing circuit often takes me into the US, and I also have thousands of relatives there- no kidding: 103 first cousins and endless extended family who have nearly all carried on large family tradition.

————

103 first cousins??
how many litters is that?

————

Haha- my dad had 8 siblings, my mother had 9. Two didn’t marry, so 15 families of cousins with the largest having 17 kids.

We’d have full pond/road hockey teams with extras on the bench just amongst cousins.
————————————————————

17 kids?! That’s got to be some kind of record.

I got 44 first cousins. I even have two “double cousins”. I had a cousin who dated my wife’s aunt. Ok, last one – a few years back something was developing between my eldest son, and one of my cousin’s daughters. Don’t know if that was ok or not – it was stressing me out a bit. Thankfully it fizzled out.

I better stop there. Some times big families birthed over a couple decades leads to some surprises down the road. Add in a couple divorces and re-marriages with more kids and you almost need to retain a lawyer lol!

#198 Sail Away on 10.01.20 at 3:58 pm

#201 Stone on 10.01.20 at 2:49 pm

In Venezuela? Folding one lie into the next lie into the next. Next, you’re going to tell us you’re related to the Queen? And Nostradamus?

———–

Sigh… another birther… have you heard about the recently invented aeroplane that can amazingly move people from place to place? Yes- through the air!

Alaska if you must know

#199 P.Ooched on 10.01.20 at 4:05 pm

#136 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.30.20 at 10:25 pm

#100 Nonplused on 09.30.20 at 7:29 pm
#11 A J on 09.30.20 at 4:00 pm

If after yesterday’s debate you STILL can’t understand why people hate Trump, your mind is poisoned.

———————————–

Nobody doesn’t understand why people hate Trump. He’s an ass. But sometimes you need to get things done, feelings aside.
—————
Please enlighten me, what things did he get done?
And no, the tax cuts don’t count.

|| Please enlighten me, what things did he get done?

Trump has Made America Great Again!

That’s obvious isn’t it?

#200 IHCTD9 on 10.01.20 at 4:08 pm

#201 Stone on 10.01.20 at 2:49 pm

In Venezuela? Folding one lie into the next lie into the next.
___

It was clearly stated in the USA.

#201 willworkforpickles on 10.01.20 at 4:13 pm

#200 KLNR
Germany is left to build up military might to super power status…a technological powerhouse of the future.

#202 Diamond Dog on 10.01.20 at 5:11 pm

“Little rabble” Ouch! (insert appropriate emoji :)

https://emojipedia.org/

The debate was indeed, hard to watch. The interruptions, the personal insults, the lack of civility and empathy made it hard to watch (at least, if you expected more) There are levels to this but it was cranked up to the max with Trump. I doubt that this was a strategy, this is who the man is and has been since he’s been president.

How do you prepare for a 2 man debate when one of the participants has a personality disorder? In past norms, they are screened out and never make the stage but on Tuesday night, it was different. If you don’t fully prepare for coming up with someone who has NPD, you will get what we had on Tuesday night, you get a disaster.

Joe was prepared somewhat on Tuesday night with short scripts (Trump to a point as well). When he looked into the camera and told the masses to vote, “don’t listen to what he tells you, your vote counts” with his fist in the air, that was an example of script. Joe talking about his son who died in combat was also an example of script of which there was plenty. Was Trump also playing a script to cut off Joe as many times as he did, or was it simply impulse, a lack of self control driven by the need to control everything including what people are supposed to think? How do you or Wallace or Biden or anyone else prepare for that? The quick answer is, until you are psychologically prepared for it, you can’t.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is driven out of the need to discriminate. The end of all forms of discrimination is best summed up as “valuing all other human beings as having the same value or worth as one’s self regardless of one’s differences”. Discrimination flourishes by doing the opposite. The majority of us may not have put it into quite the same words to understand it, but we know this. It’s why when Biden called Trump a clown and the worst president in history, y’know, personal attacks, it doesn’t give the undecided voter a clear contrast to choose from, which is exactly what a failing incumbent politician wants.

They say that the only thing that can stop a narcissist is a bigger narcissist. Y’know, someone with even higher levels. That’s not true. You stop it through the revelation of truth, its power coming from all others who believe in and recognize the same truth reflected through right behavior. Only by being the opposite, can one truly oppose. ( ref. the sons of light) Examine the traits of a narcissist for a few minutes and simply ask yourself, “what is the opposite”? Just as importantly, ask “why”. When one begins to see what happened on Tuesday night as the result of a mental health condition and take it further, what it would take for Donald J Trump and others like him to become mentally healthy, you would then see what it takes to blow away someone like that on a debate stage (when Trump isn’t already doing it to himself). Hence the need for more debates!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

#203 Steven Rowlandson on 10.01.20 at 6:25 pm

I watched the presidential debate that I recorded and I didn’t like what I heard. The USA would be better off with
Sheriff Richard Mack as President and Kyle Rittenhouse as Vice President.

#204 Sara on 10.01.20 at 7:51 pm

#202 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.01.20 at 2:50 pm
@#191 sara
“(…..and other SA fan boys).

++++
Are you feeling ok today sara?
you usually spell it “bois” ( is that politically correct?)

I’m worried for you….
————————————————————-

Thanks for the concern, but you lost me. I’ve never spelled boys as bois. Should I be?

#205 Love_The_Cottage on 10.02.20 at 10:14 am

I’m glad I rebalanced and sold a bit of SPY earlier this week. Just down to my target percentage. Not that I want to over react to short term news but it’s easier to sleep at night.

#206 Phil on 10.02.20 at 12:50 pm

Oldest sales trick in the book.
Would sir like the blue suit or the brown suit?
No other choices offered.
Two party system fools ’em (and divides ’em) every time.