The descent

This won’t take long.

It’s been an interesting few days. Canada’s BD on Wednesday. US this weekend. Muted, tentative and confused in both nations. We’re on a journey. Destination, fuzzy. Public sentiment is alternating between fractious and fearful. I titled yesterday’s post ‘Polars’ for a reason. Opinion is splitting quickly, deeply. This damn pandemic has made the cleave worse. It may take a long time for us to regain a sense of purpose. And stop fighting.

The left wants to rewrite history, erase historic injustices, bring racial and gender equality to every corner of life and force unity of thought. It’s assumed the ethical high ground. That’s behind the ‘white silence = violence” meme. Climate change. Universal Basic Income. BLM and BIPOC. As monuments, place names, statues, the RCMP and Canada Day itself are attacked and soiled, we inch closer to the book-burning which swept others into power, pre-war, through the elimination of memory.

The right wants what Trump represents, or tries to. Patriotism, protectionism and power, stressing state over self. Police agencies, first responders and the military are revered and supported. History is seen as a foundation, not a shame. Law and order is celebrated, majority rule is accepted and capitalism embraced. A new nationalism has emerged, tearing away at global ties. Liberty is a virtue, freedom means the right to think independently and protestors should never make choices for you.

Normally a national crisis brings people together in a common cause. Not this one. The first global pandemic of our times has deepened the divisions. To my regret, this has been reflected on this blog, some days to the point of destroying it. Covid has truly frightened many, changed their habits and massively impacted their lives. For others, the virus poses an attack not on society but their value system and their hero, Mr. Trump, who may end up its highest-profile victim in November. Thus, infections are brushed aside as the result of excessive testing and deaths are diminished because they’re just a bunch of old people. The World Health Organization, public health officials, Fauci, Tam and others are routinely undermined.

Well, this is interesting. A tale of two nations. The data below is from John Hopkins University, and measures new daily cases of Covid 19.

New daily infections, Canada

New daily infections, America

Some may look at this and conclude, Canada = compliance. America = resistance. That’s simplistic and facile. Or is it?

The virus doesn’t kill a lot of people but it makes many sick. It certainly has slayed the economy, which hurts those running for reelection in 2020, just as it’s rendered more popular leaders who give away historic amounts of public money, shackling society with future tax and debt. It will be years before we have a valid perspective on this experience.

Meanwhile this site has come to mirror the distemper, prejudice and intolerance of our times. And I hate it.

 

 

237 comments ↓

#1 Grey Dog on 07.03.20 at 1:15 pm

Thank you Garth and Dorothy, a treat to Bandit!
Thanks for all you do!

Please continue to Keep the rabies and distempered ones off the site.

That being said, I’m ready to send Justin and Doug an email, pleading to keep our borders closed to one and all…including Americans « travelling » to Alaska…FLY if you must go there.

Personally, once a week we go shopping! Mind you we continue to have daily walks with our Grey Dog.

#2 Andy on 07.03.20 at 1:15 pm

I agreed!

#3 Jack on 07.03.20 at 1:19 pm

Canada’s chart will parallel that of the US in the near future. We closed more than they did and they reopened sooner.

#4 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 1:20 pm

This blog is awesome! One of my favourite places to spend time.

Thanks Garth and blogdogs

#5 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 1:22 pm

Fat finger day

Google “covid usa deaths chart”

Garth’s chart shows US covid cases up and data shows US covid deaths down

Clearly testing found more cases that haven’t resulted in death

History has always shown people who panic to be irrational and wrong

I ignore Fauci and Tam. They aren’t worth paying attention to

The chart is not mine. John Hopkins University. – Garth

#6 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 1:25 pm

Smart man

“The wild media is exaggerating the issue and it’s driving governments crazy. Governments are afraid of the public, the public is afraid of the governments, they feed off each other. Every time you see another crazy thing. You’ve gone crazy. In Italy there are 60 million people who haven’t yet died, only a few people died, like flu. I’m completely calm, it’s flu. Coronavirus is a light illness and the chance of dying from it is almost zero.”
Former Health Min. Director-General Yoram Lass

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280874

#7 Statsfreak on 07.03.20 at 1:30 pm

Dear, dear Garth.
Please lose the comments section!!
Completely unnecessary, and way too stressful on you. So many of us adore reading your thoughts and appreciate yiur wisdom, we do not want you to disappear. Make life easier for yourself and Dorothy. Do tbw right thing and continue to give us the daily gift of your blog, without the torturous comments section.
Your long time and dedicated blog dog, KH.

#8 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 1:30 pm

Smart woman

Professor Gupta also remains openly critical of the Government lockdown policy:

“The Government’s defence is that this [the Imperial College model] was a plausible worst case scenario. I agree it was a plausible — or at least a possible — worst case scenario. The question is, should we act on a possible worst case scenario, given the costs of lockdown? It seems to me that given that the costs of lockdown are mounting, that case is becoming more and more fragile.”

She believes that deaths are the only reliable measure, and that the number of cases should not even be presented as it is so reliant on the amount of testing being done.

She believes that longer-term lockdown-style social distancing makes us more vulnerable, not less vulnerable, to infectious diseases, because it keeps people unprotected from pathogens:

“Remaining in a state of lockdown is extremely dangerous from the point of view of the vulnerability of the entire population to new pathogens.”

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford

https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/

#9 TurnerNation on 07.03.20 at 1:31 pm

The best way I’ve heard the current situation described, the ‘race war’ stuff is a distraction to the real war, a CLASS war.
Businesses ordered closed. Forced CERB/UBI.
Property taxes skyrocketing. More taxes to come.
Cheap vacations gone. A new class of tax slaves.
Score: Bankers 1; tax slaves 0

#10 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 1:33 pm

The chart is not mine. John Hopkins University. – Garth

Fair enough. The “covid USA deaths chart” Also pulls data from John Hopkins. Data shows cases up and deaths down

Media pushes cases because panic gets more eyeballs and ad revenue

That’s crap and you know it. The aggregate number infected in a pandemic is what makes it a pandemic. Stop defending an indefensible position. – Garth

#11 BoredBear on 07.03.20 at 1:44 pm

#133 Attrition on 07.03.20 at 12:13 pm

“Climate change can be proven a lie and a hoax, Covid can be proven a massive over reaction and power grab, the Russia hoax can be proven a hoax, and on and on and on, and the % of people willing or able to change their thinking in the face of new evidence remains unchanged.

On the plus side, I guess that puts a few of us in the true 1% club.”

Yeah, you are truly in the 1% category.

#12 BoredBear on 07.03.20 at 1:46 pm

@SailAway #4 “One of my favourite places to spend time. ”

Unfortunately for others. King of the trolls.

#13 baloney Sandwitch on 07.03.20 at 1:48 pm

Great column again. A reminder – there are few winners from this pandemic. Most will suffer. Except for Amazon man – Jeff Bezos, of course.

#14 Axehead on 07.03.20 at 1:53 pm

“A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest,” Paul Simon.

#15 Faron on 07.03.20 at 1:54 pm

Some stats from Victoria REB folow. Note, stats may be skewed because of low volumes in previous months. Low volumes == low sampling rate == high potential for error. Be warned.

The takeaways

*big bounce back in sales as anecdotally noted elsewhere for other cities.

*Possible urban flight and very likely condo flight is under way.

*Business property for lease number up, while new signed leases has dropped. Small businesses are suffering.

—Volume—

— Overall sales up 10.8% YoY — pent up demand yes, but yikes!

— SFD Victoria up 14.7% YoY but tellingly, outside of Vic core up 32.6% (urban flight perhaps)

— Townhomes up 26.6% YoY — the condo market migrating to less icky TH?

— Almost twice as many condos sold in June as last month, but still down 3.2% YoY

— Total sales up 10.8% while active listings down 11.3%. That puts upward pressure on prices.

—Prices—

— YoY median SFD in Vic price is up 10.2%. Avg price up 17% (I’m guessing a few luxury properties sold skewing the average. CF Robust and resistant statistics)

— YoY median Condo and TH prices up 1.2% and 3.6%

— Sales to new listing ratio up above 35%
— YTD total sales down 13% YoY
— YTD days to sale up 5% YoY
— YTD Office leases listed up 48% (N=43)
— YTD Offices leased down 78% (N=2 vs N=9 YTD 2019)

#16 Ace Goodheart on 07.03.20 at 1:55 pm

RE: 139 Damifino:

“It’s all moot now since most would agree a women can trudge trough a desert, slash through a jungle or operate an automatic weapon as effectively as a men. Nor do most warring nations have much trouble on the population front these days. ”

Women make better soldiers than men.

This is an interesting fact that many people don’t know, but it has been proven a number of times, in a number of different ways.

Female and male soldiers have been put in the position of having to either accept torture or death, or the knowledge that another soldier, a friend of theirs, is being tortured or killed, or they can divulge confidential information that would lead to many more people being killed.

The guys usually crack.

The women never do. When they are asked about it afterwards, the women are like “they signed up for this, if they are tortured or killed, that is their problem, not mine”. When asked why they would accept torture or death themselves, they are like “that is what I signed up for, isn’t it?”

It has also been found, again and again and again, that women have a much, much higher pain tolerance than men do.

Women are also able to keep going longer, with no food, with no sleep, and after having suffered serious bodily injuries, than men are.

The only thing women seem to lack, is upper body strength. That is the man’s sole area where they seem to be superior.

Other than that, I would take a female soldier over a male, for sheer durability, longevity, and fealty/loyalty any day of the week.

The Israelis know this. So do most dictators (including the guy who used to run Libya).

North Americans with their weird sexist notions about soldiers are just funny to listen to and watch.

The girls will win any war. And if there is ever a global apocalypse, you want to get to where the girls are staying, as they will last way longer than the men will.

#17 Caroline on 07.03.20 at 1:56 pm

I do appreciate this blog and some of your reader’s comments today are spot on; maybe lose the comments section for a spell isn’t a bad idea? I used to genuinely enjoy social media like Facebook and Twitter mostly when they were novelties but they are cesspools of shame now. Read any comments in any newspaper on any article and you’d think most people are just nuts. I worry that the bulk of the population is pretty much batshit crazy too only now we’re seeing it in black and white. I’ve been wondering what happened to education and common sense. You’re not crazy btw but when your blog is open to comments, the nutcases will walk in.

#18 Infectious on 07.03.20 at 1:56 pm

“Some may look at this and conclude, Canada = compliance. America = resistance. That’s simplistic and facile. Or is it?”

It’s simplistic Garth. More testing yields more positive results. The only data that matters is death rates and ICU admissions.

Could it be that the American lame stream media is just highlighting cases instead of deaths to further the orange man bad narrative. It’s almost like this is an election year………

#19 No Garth, I love You on 07.03.20 at 1:57 pm

Garth, you are loved, this blog is loved and reading it is the highlight of many people’s day. Just ban the dummies and let’s get back to the good stuff. Also eliminate those who yabber on past a few sentences.

#20 Looney Baloney on 07.03.20 at 2:00 pm

Mr. G increasing rate of infection does not mean an increasing death toll. How about doing a graph with total deaths? I bet that paints a different picture

More infections = more economic carnage. Stop trying to lipstick the pig. – Garth

#21 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.03.20 at 2:01 pm

US infection rates.
Crazy.
We’ll have the second Covid wave before the Fall.
Perhaps our hubris and obesity is finally catching up to us.
Or Apocalypto/Cottage Country was right….

#22 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 2:03 pm

#135 BoredBear on 07.03.20 at 12:20 pm
@SailAway #124

“I continue to wait for the hero who refuses to apologize and refuses to step down even after the pitchforks appear.

Actually, there is one… ”

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And who might your hero be? Do tell.

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Well, there are actually a few. Seattle police chief Carmen Best has been fantastic lately. No pandering, no bullshit, truly professional.

#23 Faron on 07.03.20 at 2:10 pm

Dear Garth,

Thank you for what you do here both in posting your insights and in moderating this unruly crowd. It continues to amaze me that you have time for this and that we have some, if only slight, access to your perspective and experience in this country through government, media and finance. The only explanation I have is that your entanglements with Stormy Daniels resulted in a sentence of community service and this is how you are whiling away those hours :-) Kidding of course.

I have to agree with StatsFreak that, if the double burden of your blog and the comment moderation jeopardizes the blog, then the comments should be cut loose. Or, give the moderation keys to others that you trust to leave the scope wide, but mostly out of the vile murk of the internet thus allowing you to devote your time to more productive endeavours.

Have a good weekend everyone

#24 Tater on 07.03.20 at 2:11 pm

I’ve certainly played my part in bringing down the discourse, so going forward no more engagement. Instead, I’ll occasionally post markets related stuff I find interesting.

Today it is an academic paper that has implications for trend following: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.07847.pdf

The basic take-away is that trends fail when they become TOO strong. When I read this, it made me think of some things Druckenmiller has said in the past about when to go with the trend vs fade it.

A great twitter thread here that expands on Druckenmiller:
https://twitter.com/MacroOps/status/1276205912013840384

#25 Kurt on 07.03.20 at 2:15 pm

#10 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 1:33 pm

Mooch. I’m not going to feed you, and neither should have Garth. Get lost.

Do not feed trolls!

#26 the Jaguar on 07.03.20 at 2:15 pm

If Garth feels the need to say ‘I hate it’ it follows that he may just decide putting up with the daily snipes and vitriol are no longer worth it. That would be a real loss.

It’s true that politics intersect with economics, so it’s no surprise that a primarily financial blog about real estate and investing touches on political and social issues of the day. Everyone knows that Canadian economic affairs are highly dependent on our southern neighbour and on our relationship with them. So comments on subjects such as trade issues and presidential election outcomes are to be expected.

But just because a person has an opinion on these matters (such as perceived outcome in November) doesn’t mean they are a ‘Trumpster’ or even a fan of the current president. It’s entirely possible to sit back objectively and provide an opinion/speculation on the matter with no skin in the game. Like betting on a horse race. But many on this blog seem to take it as a personal attack if that speculation doesn’t favour their own opinion. Their response is to attack and belittle the blog poster.

This behaviour isn’t limited to politics. Every day there is a ‘back and forth’, usually between the ‘multiple posters’ and their usual opponent. It has a ‘kindergarden- like’ quality to it, except it often sinks into real mean spiritedness. If you doubt this just go back over the last four days and count the usual suspects and the number of posts harping back and forth at each other. If you are reading this you know who you are. Own it. Tiresome doesn’t even begin to capture it.

It’s true that posts are sometimes off topic, irreverant, human interest, or just posted to get a laugh. I am guilty of all three. But the ongoing continuous posting, sniping, accusations of others being ‘Trump lovers’, etc. is ruining a good thing. I have noticed some long time posters of real value absent for some time. That’s also a shame.

Thank you Garth for all you do. For all other readers/contributors, it might be time for us to take a hard look in the mirror and think about we risk losing. Amen.

#27 Mike on 07.03.20 at 2:23 pm

Remove the comments section please if only for a few months. Some of your readers’ posts only serve to dilute or diminish the impact of your keen perspective. I don’t always agree with your comments but I respect them. Can’t say the same for some of your readers who are indeed vile and/or ignorant.

#28 NanaimoStu on 07.03.20 at 2:28 pm

It would be a sad day if this blog closed down. I hope it remains as one of the few sensible voices online.

#29 Squire on 07.03.20 at 2:29 pm

#3 Jack on 07.03.20 at 1:19 pm
Canada’s chart will parallel that of the US in the near future. We closed more than they did and they reopened sooner

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I tend to agree. They USA could be better off then us soon as the virus spreads everywhere. Eventually it may just fizzle out. Here on the other hand, it seems under control but we have just kicked the can down the road. I don’t believe we’re out of this yet. And how long can the border remain closed ?? At least in the USA they’re trying to get back to work. Here…. yikes. What will become of us ?

#30 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 2:33 pm

#12 BoredBear on 07.03.20 at 1:46 pm
@SailAway #4

“One of my favourite places to spend time. ”

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Unfortunately for others. King of the trolls.

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You’ve obviously mistaken me for another. I’m only here as the voice of reason.

#31 will on 07.03.20 at 2:34 pm

BD. BIPOC. These are new to me. Translation anyone?

#32 Truth be known on 07.03.20 at 2:34 pm

@Leo Trollstoy

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Your comments are spot on.
US death toll is trending down; infections are up.(Worldometer)
These are indisputable facts; not commentary, not opinion. Subject to change perhaps.
Yet Garth dutifully denies these facts to appease his followers. I can’t blame him though, he does run a business predicated on clientele. Why infect the hand that feeds you? Besides, take a look at his followers comments. They are advocating that he shut down the comments section. Obviously they don’t like any thought that opposes theirs.

With your infinite wisdom, please explain:

1.). What happened to the “flatten the curve” mantra of Mar/Apr? It seems it has given way to “eradicate at ALL costs” propaganda.
2.). What is the significance of this pervasive testing regime? Not a single person has answered that question satisfactorily yet. I doubt anyone can.

Infections matter because more of them leads to economic damage, lockdowns, quarantines and unemployment. This is not political, nor are deaths really a measure of the destruction caused by Covid. I will publish no more posts that claim otherwise. – Garth

#33 Steven Nicolle on 07.03.20 at 2:36 pm

Totally agree. Some of the comments on this blog are ruthless. Maybe some people have lived a sorry life and use this blog to spew out their frustration. Their family probably doesn’t come see them. The cats in the cradle syndrome. Their son moved on, skeletons in the closet as their lives are grotesquely moving towards the finale. When I read what some say that about the stats, it’s panic for nothing, fake news putting spins on the facts. They live in pure misery Garth. They got nothing else in their life. I cannot believe how anyone can support Trump. Honestly. I have nothing else to add. Right now I would rather be a broke Canadian and live here than a rich American and live there.

#34 Do we have all the facts on 07.03.20 at 2:38 pm

A viral infection that is not particularly lethal for healthy members of the general population of a country may be labelled a pandemic but does it warrant a full lockdown and the crippling of a nations economy?

No one questions the fact that the Covid 19 virus is contagious. What many experts are questioning is whether the very expensive measures being used to control the spread of the virus are appropriate given the facts that are now available.

We now know who the most vulnerable citizens are and the measures required to improve their chance of survival. If you are elderly with a compromised immune system don’t go a Blue Jay game, crowded malls, concerts in the park, popular restaurants or bars until the virus has run its course. Always wear a good mask in the presence of others and always social distance.

For the 3.4 % of the general population in Canada that might become infected by the Covid 19 virus and might get sick and seek immediate medical attention let your immune system do what comes naturally. The possibility of death from Covid 19 has proven to be extremely low for heathy Canadians under the age of 60.

Viral infections are not new. The way health authorities around the world responded to the Covid 19 virus was definitely new. A whole new category in the International Classification of Disease System was added and the mere presence of the Covid 19 virus was to be recorded as the primary cause of death. First time ever for any virus.

It is time to revisit the effectiveness of extending the lockdown if the objective is to protect our most vulnerable citizens. Focus on this objective not the number of people who are testing positive for the virus and are getting on with their lives.

96.6% of Canadians tested to date did not have the Covid 19 virus in their system. How can this not be considered excellent news? Why do we continue to bury the lead?

What have we become so afraid of?

#35 Faron on 07.03.20 at 2:38 pm

#133 Attrition on 07.03.20 at 12:13 pm
#52 Sail away on 07.02.20 at 7:20 pm
#28 Attrition on 07.02.20 at 5:44 pm

“Climate change can be proven a lie and a hoax”

Really? Please prove that to us. Greenhouse warming was first calculated more than 120 years ago and those physics are as valid today as they ever were. Temperature fluctuations on the planet began to decouple from natural climate variability in the 1970s and there is no other explanation for why this is so that holds up to physics.

ICLN vs NASDAQ vs VDE. Even if you don’t think it’s factual, you may want to get on board with your investment.

“the Russia hoax can be proven a hoax”

So if the hoax is a hoax, does that mean the collusion actually happened? Ha ha.

#36 truefacts on 07.03.20 at 2:42 pm

Sweden DID NOT lock down – great statistical control group for study…

Here’s there covid death stats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

A little more than 1% of deaths to people under 50.
VAST MAJORITY of deaths in people over 70.

Based on these FACTS…Would it not make sense to open things up and simply put appropriate health protocols in place for older people???

#37 David McDonald on 07.03.20 at 2:45 pm

The Republican Party no longer represents old fashioned conservative values in the US. It has become an extremist group headed by a truly odious fascist. To conflate Trump with the solid fair minded conservative Americans I have admired all my life is an error.

#38 Kevin on 07.03.20 at 2:46 pm

Thank you as always, Garth, for your thoughts.

“Meanwhile this site has come to mirror the distemper, prejudice and intolerance of our times. And I hate it.”

Maybe just get rid of all comments? If not that, then some sort of better commenting system. It’s due time…

#39 BoredBear on 07.03.20 at 2:48 pm

I also vote for removal of the comments section.

Though sometimes there is good stuff buried among the trash, overall the dialogue has been taken over by people (dark triads?) who come here to fill a void they can’t fill in their non-internet, not anonymous, worlds.

#40 GRG on 07.03.20 at 2:48 pm

The problem with this virus is we simply don’t know very much about how it behaves. We are all still learning. Early decisions were made by authorities worldwide based on very limited information, and perhaps over-dependence on the now discredited fatality modelling outputs. But then they too were based on sketchy information.

Perhaps there’s a correlation with those nations with deeper social safety nets, compared to the USA, and the virus infection/fatality patterns. Certainly the shape of the curves in Europe and Canada are similar, and both quite different from the USA.

But then perhaps the citizens of those nations enjoy greater government support and income supplements, and therefore a greater ability to stay “locked down” compared to many in the USA? What will be interesting to compare, when this is all over, is whether there is material difference in the economic recovery and post-COVID performance.

If the Canadian property market rolls over, could be governments across the land discover they need the resource sector, including energy, after all. Somebody has to pay the largess being sprinkled across the land right now.

#41 Holly on 07.03.20 at 2:49 pm

US testing increased by 500% during that period… just a fact, please do not psychoanalyze… thanks

#42 ANTI-SOCIAL DISTANCER on 07.03.20 at 2:49 pm

Meanwhile this site has come to mirror the distemper, prejudice and intolerance of our times. And I hate it.

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AND I HATE ALL OF YOU!

YOU ARE CREEPY AND DISGUSTING!

STAY SIX FEET AWAY!

AND YOU SMELL LIKE DOG POO!

#43 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 2:51 pm

As a Lefty, I identified more with your:

“The right wants…”

paragraph, minus the Trump bit.

Social Engineering has never worked. History, represented by a statue or whatever, is what it is, the past, good and bad. Tearing down a statue or whatever will not undo history.

History is a good teacher, few pupils. Tearing it down is absurd.

People that think that to me, are pathetic, divisive and wish to impose themselves with brute force on others. Fools that think they possess superior knowledge to those that came before them, rather than learning from those people and their mistakes, successes. Yet more foolish thinking they are morally superior to their peers.

Arrogance beyond words. Too stupid to know they are stupid.

I hate that type of arrogance, always have.

#44 MF on 07.03.20 at 2:53 pm

#29 Squire on 07.03.20

Huh? Have you left the house in the last month?

Mall, salons, patios, dentists, eye doctors etc….all open.

People are just taking precautions by wearing masks, washing hands and so on.

And btw, herd immunity is only one outcome.

The others are: no more cases/reservoir, and an effective treatment.

In any case this thing is in a race against time.

MF

#45 Nah on 07.03.20 at 2:58 pm

Don’t drink the Kool aid Garth , Canada hardly tests ,hence lower rates .

Some countries don’t test at all, lack the financial resources .Their new cases are very low,lol

What a joke this has become.To think the economy was shut over this

#46 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 2:59 pm

#4 Sail Away

Ditto.

#47 Marco on 07.03.20 at 2:59 pm

USA chart looks like V shaped recovery, no? And do not kill comment section. It is a realm of media terror and bad education. Books? Well, Toronto public library is probably the best in the world and it is for free, so government definitely is not in the game to keep you stupid.

#48 EG on 07.03.20 at 3:01 pm

It would be helpful to quantify how many lives have been saved by the citizens of the worlds actions . Self isolation , hand washing , sanitizers , masks and social distancing . Has anything like this ever happened globally before ? I think us humans are amazing . When this is over , we need a collective pat on the back . The number is likely in the hundreds of millions and we did it .

#49 MF on 07.03.20 at 3:05 pm

#34 Do we have all the facts on 07.03.20

One “fact” you neglected was that the at-risk group you casually asked to stay home represents a huge, wealthy, important chunk of our total population.

Go look at a population pyramid for any western country (or even a lot of none western countries now) for a pictorial representation of what I mean.

MF

#50 Felix on 07.03.20 at 3:05 pm

Today’s photo is correct.

Barely 1/4 canines are acceptable.

#51 Alex on 07.03.20 at 3:05 pm

Geez, can’t believe after all this time some people are still arguing that flaring of cases is no biggie.

Anywho, do we know when the Real Estate boards publish June stats?

#52 Overheardyou on 07.03.20 at 3:06 pm

Sadly, this is divide and conquer at it’s finest. Mother nature knows best it seems

#53 neo on 07.03.20 at 3:08 pm

The reality is our deaths have been 80% LTC in Canada and in the U.S. it is 43%. The biggest indicator of hospitalization in the U.S. is not age but obesity. Canada does not have the obesity problem the U.S. does so our hospitalizations were more muted. Basically in this crisis they have generally taken better care of the elderly in LTC but by not having the discipline to take care of themselves they’ve put themselves in harms path. That isn’t a Democrat or Republican thing.

#54 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 3:12 pm

That’s crap and you know it. The aggregate number infected in a pandemic is what makes it a pandemic. Stop defending an indefensible position. – Garth

No truer words.

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PS:

People, I have had the pleasure of working with Garth on a couple of his Blogs.

They guy is sharp as a whip, has a rapier wit (and fun to work with).

He does not need you to tell him WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE COMMENTS SECTION.

He’s all grown up now, distinguished, one of those darn rich people, his own man and (working with him), highly intelligent & a quick study.

Because you sense his frustration, does not mean (as self styled Blog Shrinks) you should tell him what to do.

His Blog. His rules. Comments end when he says they end.

#55 Shawn on 07.03.20 at 3:16 pm

There are reports of false positives in the US being greater than 50%. In addition to extreme over reporting of Covid19 related deaths. I would take that data with a very large grain of salt.

#56 SunShowers on 07.03.20 at 3:19 pm

Whew, the Y-axes on those graphs made me cringe!

I understand that John Hopkins didn’t intend for those graphs to be used as side-by-side comparisons with each other, but it should be noted that the USA’s Y-axis is 20 times larger than ours.

So you’d need to squish our graph (or blow up theirs) by a whopping 20 times for a proper visualization of absolute numbers, or by 2 times for a fairer per capita comparison (since they have approximately 10x our population).

#57 Roial1 on 07.03.20 at 3:19 pm

The right wants what Trump represents, or tries to. Patriotism, protectionism and power, stressing state over self.

Doesn’t that define what is our sense or definition of Communism???????

And particularly as in the form of Brother “JOE” type???

It also represents the “state” as in “Nazi” Germany

Oh how easy it is to forget “HISTORY”.

#58 Faron on 07.03.20 at 3:25 pm

#51 Alex on 07.03.20 at 3:05 pm

“do we know when the Real Estate boards publish June stats?”

See post 15 for VIC or google your latest REB publication. They will be crowing from the rooftops so should be easy to find.

#59 nick on 07.03.20 at 3:27 pm

Continue to love reading your blog Garth… Sometimes find some of the reader’s comments get a little to pointed and occasionally personal. Maybe use that delete key a little more… Your Canada Day post was passed along to siblings and friends…one of the best. Thanks so much. Happy to be in Canada.

#60 Roial1 on 07.03.20 at 3:27 pm

For those of you are not familiar with it, you can look up the “Alaska Highway Treaty”.
I believe that you will find that a clause in it provides for unobstructed passage to AK is to be found in it.
That means that “we” can not stop their right to go each way.

#61 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 3:28 pm

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#62 Bill Grable on 07.03.20 at 3:28 pm

Please, Mr. Turner – your perspective and wisdom are appreciated, by us blog dogs. A TON.

I dearly hope that you continue with these great posts.

Dolce Vita – RIGHT ON!

#63 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 3:31 pm

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#64 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 3:31 pm

“…it’s rendered more popular leaders who give away historic amounts of public money, shackling society with future tax and debt. It will be years before we have a valid perspective on this experience.”

Yup. Could not agree more.

To my way of thinking, Trudeau has bought compliance (lockdown, distancing, masks) by shoving money down people’s throats.

What I cannot understand is that few seem bothered by this (the “shackling…future tax and debt” part).

You look at this debt chart by Prime Minister and how many years it took to get back in the black from PM Trudeau Sr’s free spending ways:

https://i.imgur.com/DKsgqED.jpg

and you realize that is will be a HUGE HOLE to dig out from under with what Trudeau Jr. has amassed in debt. Decades, not years.

And yet, no one seems to care in Canada, save this Blog’s Author.

Mind boggling.

#65 billinbc on 07.03.20 at 3:32 pm

Kevin:
Maybe just get rid of all comments? If not that, then some sort of better commenting system. It’s due time…
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Here’s MY “system…”Scroll” quickly and only read posts that Garth has answered.

#66 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 3:35 pm

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#67 Faron on 07.03.20 at 3:36 pm

#41 Holly on 07.03.20 at 2:49 pm

It’s true that testing has gone up and that’s probably a part of the story. But, looks at the daily death counts in Arizona, Florida and Texas among others with big spikes. They are beginning to show the effects in terms of mortality based on the upward trend in 7-day MA death rate.

Also, here’s a report on excess deaths in the US from March through May:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

This indicates that the official death count is about a 25% under estimate based on excess deaths. True total deaths in the US right now are probably closer to 160k and ticking upward at 560 a day.

Also, over the period, COVID deaths cause an 18% uptick in total deaths compared to previous years. That’s a huge number and the reason this disease is being taken seriously.

#68 Leo Trollstoy on 07.03.20 at 3:37 pm

More infections = more self-inflicted economic carnage for sure

That is definitely true

#69 Dwight Botnen on 07.03.20 at 3:39 pm

To keep things in perspective, the USA has only 5% of the world’s population but 25% of Covid cases AND deaths. The USA has 10 times new cases PER CAPITA than Canada. We must be doing a lot of things right and/or Trump is a total idiot. You choose.

#70 sammy on 07.03.20 at 3:40 pm

Garth,
Please do not remove the comment section.
I really enjoy the different opinions and believe in debate.
Being able to disagree and still like each other is a sign of maturity.

#71 cramar on 07.03.20 at 3:41 pm

“Meanwhile this site has come to mirror the distemper, prejudice and intolerance of our times. And I hate it.”

————————

And you thought this was just going to be a financial blog. With canine sense.

Welcome to the new normal?

#72 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 3:41 pm

#54 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 3:12 pm

People, I have had the pleasure of working with Garth on a couple of his Blogs.

They guy is sharp as a whip, has a rapier wit

—————

Since watching this, I’ve never been able to see that term without chuckling:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/32f46778-c906-446b-bb57-d1947e9f5466

#73 IHCTD9 on 07.03.20 at 3:42 pm

Comments section preaches the truth to what lurks deep in the minds of Canadians (and others).

I enjoy reading every last one of them.

#74 Burnaby Boy on 07.03.20 at 3:43 pm

You are a smart cookie Garth (or i wouldn’t bother with your blog).

Could you pretend the virus is a stock and compare it on a chart with other infectious diseases from AIDS to TB and especially the Flu. Also to keep it a “well balanced portfolio” could you toss in some of the unforeseen consequence?

And then us dummies can all stop speculating.

#75 Where's My Money, Gweedeau? We Group I Guess Now! on 07.03.20 at 3:44 pm

Well I guess Trudeau’s $600 million has been working. I haven’t seen one comment board in ANY media to address the handout he gave to the “We Group”, his buddies, even though the Group has said they have given back the money. Who initiated that? And,
I need to know what payout the Group got for the rescinding of the offer, since that is always built in to any insider agreement.
Cmon Gweedeau, SHOW US THE MONEY/DEAL!!!!

#76 John on 07.03.20 at 3:46 pm

I concur with others. Lose the comments.

#77 In YYC on 07.03.20 at 3:47 pm

Sadly Garth, the old saying “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” is as true as ever. The future is not very bright…
An avid reader since the beginning (2008?), don’t get discouraged and please keep writing!

#78 AGuyInVancouver on 07.03.20 at 3:48 pm

That’s crap and you know it. The aggregate number infected in a pandemic is what makes it a pandemic. Stop defending an indefensible position. – Garth
_ _ _
Exactly, so why not just ban/block the Trumpers and their eyerollingly idiotic comments?

#79 david falkoff on 07.03.20 at 3:48 pm

Hi Garth,

I agree this division on spinning the facts and not just focusing on understanding or assesing them is really fatiguing.. But as an american I’m fairly confident in saying that its part of the process, we are a democracy and even idiots can have their vote. As a democracy we tend to focus on barbecues and daily life and not the big issues so every once in a while we end up having to cram and cramming is a pain. Give the usa and canada some credit, we did a good thing in ww2. Thanks to the revolution the UK ended up being more of a benevolant commonwealth than it might have.

#80 LP on 07.03.20 at 3:51 pm

#16 Ace Goodheart on 07.03.20 at 1:55 pm

Sometime ago, over a long lunch, I and several of my friends/cousins had a discussion about that very thing. We all expressed the opinion that we, being “old” by the definition of today, most of us grey and sagging/bulging, are invisible. There have even been studies done – you know the kind: put someone in a room with 5 other people, one of whom is an old lady, and when taken from the room and asked to describe who they saw, will inevitably not remember the aged woman.

Anyway, that being the case we old females would be excellent spies, wonderful passers of information, absolutely able to keep safe papers, USB sticks, maps etc for other more able bodied soldiers. And given that electronic data is always at risk those old, out-dated physical items would come to the fore again.

All of us agreed that since we love our country and our families, and since our lives are now horribly, visibly short, we might just as well serve out our time in the service of those same loved ones and country.

#81 Roial1 on 07.03.20 at 3:52 pm

Just did a google on the “Alaska highway treaty” may not have my afore mentioned “right of passage” I could not find it.

So sorry.

#82 Doug t on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

People feel lost, untethered to any sense of reality. The poor are getting poorer and the rich richer. We are bombarded with advertising and fake news minute by minute. Compassion and empathy are disappearing. We feel more “contolled” by authority then ever. Social engagement is now through instagram/ Facebook. Our engagement with nature and our place in it is disappearing. Spirituality has been replaced with consumption and “likes” online. FEAR is now all encompassing for many just trying to get by and survive. Some are wondering what is the point of carrying on if the world continues down this path of fragmentation and destruction. Is there a purpose left to life

#83 Mike on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

#32
Yet Garth dutifully denies these facts to appease his followers. I can’t blame him though, he does run a business predicated on clientele. Why infect the hand that feeds you? Besides, take a look at his followers comments. They are advocating that he shut down the comments section. Obviously they don’t like any thought that opposes theirs.
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I don’t come here to read the comments of others. I, like many, visit HIS blog to read HIS words. If you want to share your perspective, set up your own blog.

#84 WTF on 07.03.20 at 4:02 pm

#73 Danny Gallivan the greatest hockey announcer evah!

A classic Gallivanism : the goalie “kicked out his pad in rapier-like fashion” to foil a “glorious scoring opportunity”.

#85 BillyBob on 07.03.20 at 4:05 pm

#61 Roial1 on 07.03.20 at 3:27 pm
For those of you are not familiar with it, you can look up the “Alaska Highway Treaty”.
I believe that you will find that a clause in it provides for unobstructed passage to AK is to be found in it.
That means that “we” can not stop their right to go each way.

================================================

Missing the point.

Legitimate travellers actually transiting on their way to Alaska are fine.

But there sure are a lot of US plates on “Alaska-bound” cars that never quite seem to make it out of Canada lol.

Sibling is a CBSA officer in BC, sees it all day long. The borders aren’t as closed as you think.

#86 Bytor the Snow Dog on 07.03.20 at 4:06 pm

#71 sammy on 07.03.20 at 3:40 pm sez:

“Garth,
Please do not remove the comment section.
I really enjoy the different opinions and believe in debate.
Being able to disagree and still like each other is a sign of maturity.”
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Shut up, you jackwagon! :-)

#87 Bytor the Snow Dog on 07.03.20 at 4:08 pm

#74 IHCTD9 on 07.03.20 at 3:42 pm sez:

“Comments section preaches the truth to what lurks deep in the minds of Canadians (and others).

I enjoy reading every last one of them.”
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Same here.

#88 Ryan on 07.03.20 at 4:08 pm

Get rid of the comments section. It’s 99% people missing a chromosome anyways.

#89 moh on 07.03.20 at 4:10 pm

Thank you Garth your such a kind soul!

#90 chumpy le chump on 07.03.20 at 4:12 pm

i suggest that you lose the comment section. Tweet a link to the post once a day and let twitter deal with the idiots and trolls who post their garbage here. Why should you have to sort through it?

Try it for a week and see if it makes a difference to traffic and to your sanity.

#91 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 4:21 pm

#84 Mike on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

I don’t come here to read the comments of others. I, like many, visit HIS blog to read HIS words. If you want to share your perspective, set up your own blog.

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Mike 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Garth, and the Word was Garth.”

#92 Dougie on 07.03.20 at 4:26 pm

#31 Will

You have the internet, obviously. Google the acronyms that seem to puzzle you, and you will be enlightened.

#93 do on 07.03.20 at 4:36 pm

The gov’t of the day is focusing on bringing along the “younger” vote and hence “making it rain” with $$$..The only good thing that happened this week was saving a billion, give or take when Trudeau and his friends were called out for patronage.

I am thinking in your day in office this type of patronage would have triggered an election? Now it will just send the Trudeau’s back to the drawing board on how to come up with another program (aimed at the Gen Z and Millenials) to buy votes with all of our money…..

Then there is the guy who rams the PM’s residence and wanders around for 13 minutes, maybe this will put a scare and/or common sense into how the PM now see’s the population at large, instead of his private piggy bank, maybe not.

#94 Alberta Ed on 07.03.20 at 4:36 pm

Greater Fool remains a welcome beacon of light in dark times. Despite all the hysterics and the often questionable leadership both north and south, I suspect that basic values and common sense will prevail.

#95 Don Guillermo on 07.03.20 at 4:36 pm

Today would have been parade day to kick off the Calgary Stampede. After the parade many thousands of people would disperse on to the patios and bars. It was my favorite time to go downtown to people watch and chat with visitors from all over Canada and the world. Just took a drive around downtown today an hour or so ago. Very quiet and very sad :(

#96 Faron on 07.03.20 at 4:36 pm

#65 Dolce Vita on 07.03.20 at 3:31 pm

“To my way of thinking, Trudeau has bought compliance (lockdown, distancing, masks) by shoving money down people’s throats.”

Or, the Canadian government is doing the responsible thing which is helping out the people affected by the shutdowns who would otherwise crater and drag on the economic gong show all the longer.

“…how many years it took to get back in the black from PM Trudeau Sr’s free spending ways:

https://i.imgur.com/DKsgqED.jpg

and you realize that is will be a HUGE HOLE to dig out from under with what Trudeau Jr. has amassed in debt. Decades, not years.”

That chart needs some aesthetic love. Took me a while to figure out what it was showing. I’m guessing it is annual budget debt/surplus at start of term vs same at end of term. In doing so it hides some important detail like Harper’s deficits during the GFC.

If your point is that P Trudeau was bad for the budget and that this is a partisan issue, maybe you should also show that Mulroney oversaw a near doubling of the deficit or, at best, didn’t improve what was handed to him despite 10 years to do so. $37 B per year. Ouch. You will also see that Chretien/Martin oversaw a $52 B per year swing from deficit to surplus budgets. That was handed to Harper who then shrank the surplus by 10 billion while spiking a deficit in between.

Or, probably the better way to look at these charts is in comparison to other countries and realizing that the party in power has little to do with the acquired deficit. The ’80s were a tough time in the global economy and both the US (republican under Reagan) and Canada under a Liberal then under a Conservative gov’t saw big deficit growth. In the 1990s when the economy boomed, deficits dropped in both countries (democrat US and liberal Canada). Canada’s deficit continued to drop into the 2000s as the oil sector took off while the US wallowed in the dot-com bust. Then the GFC brought deficit spending back in both countries. Canada was able to nearly balance its budget by the end of Harper’s term as the oil patch was cranking until US shale and an econ slow down smothered the growth.

The deficit would have exploded in Canada during COVID under any leader who cares about its constituents. Even Trump has overseen a huge deficit spike. Different parties, same outcome, global economy.

#97 fishman on 07.03.20 at 4:39 pm

The “lil maoists” all want to so dearly to start “struggle sessions” getting rid of the 4 Olds. Trumpster fan boys watching their leader get the boots put to him. Fearing they’ll be next on stage with the dunce cap. Bunch of woke kids beating our bourgeoise out of us with bamboo rods. Losing is not riskless like the old days.
Money used to be hard to keep. Now its hard to get & keep. Tribes are forming. Factionalism weakening our Canadian unity. Fear is in the air. Fight or flight. Don’t worry my fellow bloggies. Hard times a coming, but just when you figure it can’t get any worse, sure enough it turns around & does.

#98 Re-Cowtown on 07.03.20 at 4:43 pm

One thing that has yet to be factored into the COVID equation is time. Why is time important? Evolution.

I think what we’re seeing is an evolutionary weakening of the virus, similar to the 1918 influenza. The social distancing/lockdown works to keep people out of harms way while evolution “burns out” the virus.

If this is the case, then high infection rates will not result in high death rates.

The Americans are running this experiment as we speak. We’ll have the results in a couple of weeks. If there is no massive increase in deaths, then this thing is well over and the vaccine is irrelevant as the virus has mutated away from it’s most deadly form.

As Churchill said “Always trust the Americans to do the right thing, but only after they have exhausted all other alternatives.”

#99 sighh on 07.03.20 at 4:44 pm

“rewrite history”

more like acknowledge the history that people wilfully forget about in the name of traditions or “culture”.

Canadians genocided and continue to kill and warp the native peoples of canada. Americans have tried to kill and enslave the blacks for 400 years in various ways. That is history and you can look it up in plenty of non controversial places. All that truth and reconciliation wants is that people acknowledge it.

#100 islander on 07.03.20 at 4:45 pm

Hey Garth,
Why not close the ‘comments section’ down for the summer?
Don’t worry – we’ll all be here when you open it up again in the fall!
In the meantime – thanks for all the work you (and your minions)do to keep us well informed.

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.03.20 at 4:49 pm

@#86 Billybob
“Legitimate travellers actually transiting on their way to Alaska are fine.”

+++

Yep.
Canuck Border should be handing out “do’s and don’ts to US travellers transitioning to Alaska with a visa valid for 3 days.
Major fines for anyone taking longer than 3 days to drive to Alaska.
Hotels, sit down restaurants, etc. should be checking plates and refusing service to vacationers……..or COVID comes back with a vengeance here and they will be shut down again anyway.

#102 G on 07.03.20 at 4:52 pm

Hi #54 Dolce Vita, re: PS. I concur.

#103 Wrk.dover on 07.03.20 at 4:58 pm

Garth, you like your ducks all in a row. Rules followed to the letter. Decency and so on.

The world has figuratively become a shooting gallery.

Keep your stick on the ice, we are are pulling for you!

#104 CEW9 on 07.03.20 at 4:59 pm

I think probably the actual death rate ICU admissions are a better tracker of the real rate of growth in Covid-19 numbers.

In the recent past the testing capabilties were very low, and only those with symtpoms were tested. With the explosion in testing ability it was inevitable we catch the asymptomatic.

If treatments have not significantly changed (which is true so far) then ICU admission numbers give a good window onto which way the curve is bending.

#105 Slim on 07.03.20 at 5:04 pm

Although, the vast majority of positive cases have largely ‘recovered’ from Covid-19, scientists are now discovering some of the long term damage done to the body.

Excerpt from a BBC article on the subject: “This is in addition to recent findings that the virus, which has been largely considered to be a respiratory disease, can also wreak havoc on the kidneys, liver, heart, and just about every organ system in the body.”

(https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection)

#106 Michael King on 07.03.20 at 5:05 pm

May I cast another vote for ditching the comments section. I often marvel at how much time you must spend six days a week moderating the posts. There was a time I enjoyed reading them, now I skim. Today was another disappointment. Come on my friends, you can do better and thanks for pissing off Mr. Turner. In my opinion, the downward trend in a lack of civility and critical thinking began in the lead-up to the 2016 US election. For my part I will continue to read this blog as long as we are all fortunate enough that you write it. Other than that I am swearing off reading the comments and posting comments. Fellow readers, I highly recommend checking out Morris Berman. He’s one of the great contemporary public intellectuals. Thank you Garth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Berman
http://morrisberman.blogspot.com/

#107 TurnerNation on 07.03.20 at 5:07 pm

Always curious what others think.
I know of three Boomers (ago ~70) who do not believe the #s out of US given election year and hijinx or the hero worship we are told to do.

#108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.03.20 at 5:07 pm

@#132 Sail Away
“It’s ‘petard’ you ritard.”
+++

Coffee, out my nose….

#109 Retired in Kelowna on 07.03.20 at 5:10 pm

Garth, I agree with some of the other posters here. Shut down the Comment Section. Most of it is just verbal diarrhea. You don’t need the aggravation.
Your Column and Wisdom has been a Godsend for years. Keep up the great work
Thank you
GT

#110 Yuus bin Haad on 07.03.20 at 5:10 pm

yes, put me down for “we all love it”

#111 TurnerNation on 07.03.20 at 5:17 pm

Toronto City Hall is now a tent city. This guy on Youtube has the real scoop. Lamestream media will not show you this?
I don’t get it. 20 people getting $2000/month in CERB could rent a mansion for 10k a month and still have enough left to party.
Tents…this seems like a big show just for us. The world is a stage?
The theory I heard on the rise in promience of tents in places even like NB is…they serve as a reminder to the middle class to shut up and put up – else you could lose your job/house and end up here. Conform or else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whB04PZHmus

#112 McSteve on 07.03.20 at 5:26 pm

Everyone I talk to is either an advocate for the cancel-culture or a flat-earth, Qanon whack-job. I feel like I’m a referee in a hockey game in the 1980s Norris division. I’d like to give both starting lines a 10 min misconduct before a bench-brawl happens…

#113 OK, Doomer on 07.03.20 at 5:27 pm

#106 Michael King on 07.03.20 at 5:05 pm
May I cast another vote for ditching the comments section.
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The comments section allows all of us to blow off a bit of steam. It’s unfortuante that Garth takes the brunt of it, but having a more open forum than what exists on Twitter, Facebook, or Redditt is of great value.

I applaud Garth for allowing the Elites and the Deplorables to duke it out in his basement. It ain’t always pretty and it ain’t always fun, but sometimes people learn things. I know I have.

Nothing good ever came from banning discourse. Ever.

#114 Robert Turpin on 07.03.20 at 5:28 pm

Thank you Garth for all that you do to help us with our finances..we are grateful and keep coming back for more …You are the Best !

#115 Reximus on 07.03.20 at 5:30 pm

well duh…

CBC News Alerts

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PM Justin Trudeau is the subject of an ethics probe over his government’s decision to award the WE Charity a single-sourced contract to administer the Canada Student Service Grant. The Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner says Trudeau has been informed.

#116 Rural Rick on 07.03.20 at 5:33 pm

I for one am tired of reading comments from folks with just a basic grasp of arithmetic and no clue about epidemiology telling me that COVID 19 is a government plot to control us and no big deal.
Close the comments section Garth and we won’t have to talk them out of day trading stocks.

#117 Dave on 07.03.20 at 5:34 pm

I feel like I am in the Matrix and I swallowed the wrong pill. I cannot go back because I have already gone down the rabbit hole. I am glad I am Canadian even though my passport says born in the USA. I have no desire to sing that song that Springsteen sings out because that would bring me more shame than I would ever imagine.

#118 Idiocy on 07.03.20 at 5:35 pm

to comment #9 Turner Nation

It would seem that;

1) Reducing and bankrupting the competition ( shutting down the small merchants, but allow Costco, WalMart, etc. to stay open)

2) Reducing the ability or propensity to spend ( closing entertainment venues, bars, etc. and making air travel / tourism more difficult / expensive

3) Reducing the public’s trust in one another ( social distancing, masks, snitch lines, public paranoia, etc.)

would redirect expenditures to;

i) large corporations
ii) debt service to banks / lenders for the enormous debts that have been taken on
iii) lenders to extend consumer credit further
iv) increase government’s ability to raise taxes
v) increase the size and scope of government “redistribution’, i.e. UBI, etc.

What that describes is a fascist and neo-feudal world largely funded by tax slaves and government debt.

I agree, CV19 is so much more than a ‘bug’ – it’s a game changer in many ways.

#119 TheUnhealthy on 07.03.20 at 5:36 pm

Once watched an experiment on guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar. Some estimated ridiculously high. Some ridiculously low. Most somewhere in between. The total averaged was pretty spot on.
Variance is the reason we’ve evolved.`
We’ve always been divided. Will be for a while to come.
Opinions under the curtain of internet anonymity(me) are very new. Most wouldn’t be so bold if it meant standing on the speakers’ corner putting their, and their family’s reputation, on the line.
Drop the comments section. Keep in touch with the ones you want.

#120 sean on 07.03.20 at 5:37 pm

re: U.S. strife over effective COVID response.

As Winston Churchill supposedly said: “Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities”.

It appears that they are currently at the exhausting stage.

#121 Brian Ripley on 07.03.20 at 5:42 pm

My Vancouver housing charts are up with the June data:
http://www.chpc.biz/vancouver-housing.html

Vancouver average prices of detached houses and strata units ticked up on total inventory that has increased 33% since the beginning of the year. ​

Although the FOMO crowd has been quarantined, the growing supply of housing stock for sale has spurred those who think they are missing out to increase total residential sales 56% also since January 2020.

Housing bulls should not get too excited; residential sales are still well below 1Q 2016 when inventory levels were at the lows.​​

Also the housing vacancy rate has ticked up and “Vancouver saw one and two-bedroom rents drop 5% and 6.3%, respectively…” June 2020 Canadian Rent Report from PadMapper

https://blog.padmapper.com/2020/06/15/june-2020-canadian-rent-report/

#122 IMALWAYSRIGHT on 07.03.20 at 5:43 pm

Throughout the Pandemic I have listened to the 3 Wise Men.
Garth Turner
Martin Armstrong
Conrad Black

Thank you all.

#123 Lambchop on 07.03.20 at 5:43 pm

#111 TurnerNation on 07.03.20 at 5:17 pm
Toronto City Hall is now a tent city. This guy on Youtube has the real scoop. Lamestream media will not show you this?
I don’t get it. 20 people getting $2000/month in CERB could rent a mansion for 10k a month and still have enough left to party.
Tents…this seems like a big show just for us. The world is a stage?
The theory I heard on the rise in promience of tents in places even like NB is…they serve as a reminder to the middle class to shut up and put up – else you could lose your job/house and end up here. Conform or else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whB04PZHmus

__________________

I don’t buy it, and I think it’s exactly what you said, a reminder. The tents are all clean, unrepaired/damaged. There is a single shopping buggy, empty. There are no bikes, no people, nothing. It takes a few hours for garbage to start to appear in a real encampment.

I, as most of you, have seen many real tent cities full of homeless people and addicts. We all know what they look like, and this isn’t it.

#124 CC on 07.03.20 at 5:46 pm

Love your blog, the advice and commentary have not only entertained and educated me over the years but have helped me to a life of financial independence in my 40’s!
Quit giving the commenters power by acknowledging them and publishing them. The ones with extreme opinions are usually the ones to comment while dedicated readers with more rational opinions comment only once every 10 years if ever.
Give yourself a break from the negativity, even I get anxious if I wade into the comments section. A blog about acts of selflessness would even bring out the seething masses in the comments.

#125 Billy Buoy on 07.03.20 at 5:46 pm

Human have a choice thus disagree…since day 1.

The leader down south in the past 4 years did everything he could to encourage division with fake news and blaming everyone against him.

Guess what? No one wants to die but we all do some day. Living is risk. Period.

People are afraid, emotions are high, people are out of work while the stock markets are flying.

You think everyone should be acting calm. col and collected? With this Virus? Trump? This heat?

What planet are you from? Seriously.

#126 Don Guillermo on 07.03.20 at 5:50 pm

#117 Dave on 07.03.20 at 5:34 pm
I feel like I am in the Matrix and I swallowed the wrong pill. I cannot go back because I have already gone down the rabbit hole. I am glad I am Canadian even though my passport says born in the USA. I have no desire to sing that song that Springsteen sings out because that would bring me more shame than I would ever imagine
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Years ago I was an illegal worker (with a few other Canucks) in a Ammunitions plant in Kansas close to Lawrence KS. Born in the USA was the hit song of the summer. When working in the maintenance shop the song frequently came on the radio . We would sing along to it as “Born near the USA. They never caught us.

#127 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 6:04 pm

Wow, all the calls to shut down the comments section.

For those people, here’s a little tip I like to call:

“A way around it all”

1. After finishing Garth’s blog post, you’ll notice at the bottom a bold hyperlink that says [#] comments, followed by an arrow pointing down.

2. Do not click that hyperlink

3. You’re welcome

#128 Habitt on 07.03.20 at 6:08 pm

Thanks again Mr. Turner and blog dogs. I do appreciate all the great perspectives Garth. I’ll always read your blog whatever you decide. Have a relaxing weekend sir.

#129 GrumpyPanda on 07.03.20 at 6:10 pm

I like comments where people add insight on what is happening in their neck of the woods. That diversity is a strength. Echo chambers are boring. Lately I’ve been buying Scientific American and the Economist to remind myself we are progressing and that there is news that can be communicated without shouting, insults or threatening someone’s livelihood if someone disagrees with you. And yes, I understand subscriptions are cheaper and a lot can be read online. Now go see if the dog needs a tummy rub.

#130 mike from mtl on 07.03.20 at 6:10 pm

#53 neo on 07.03.20 at 3:08 pm
The reality is our deaths have been 80% LTC in Canada and in the U.S. it is 43%. The biggest indicator of hospitalization in the U.S. is not age but obesity.
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Could be.

Worth noting that it’s picking up in the southern states who blown off the virus as a ‘city’ problem – they’re still on the first wave. Plus restricting state to state travel is practically impossible with how they are. Driving 1-2 hours across state lines for a regular commute is not unusual.

“Hard hit” NYC and MTL have very similar stats and I would expect so, similar climate, layout, transportation, housing stock, problems with LTC – the virus has already blown through the easy pickings. In fact MTL and NYC have allowed testing to ANYBODY due to underutilisation.

Again the US are nearly 10x our population and govern like 50 mini countries so ‘trends’ are misleading.

#131 alf on 07.03.20 at 6:21 pm

#7 Statsfreak on 07.03.20 at 1:30 pm
Dear, dear Garth.
Please lose the comments section!! …
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I’ve always found the approach of not allowing comments on a blog, or of blocking comments on youtube videos to be cowardly. You are not right just because you don’t allow anybody else to challenge your opinion.

#132 Randy on 07.03.20 at 6:23 pm

#Trump2020landslide #USMCAChapter27 means Cdn Elites are done due to Anti-Corruption Chapter 27 and Trump Human Trafficking Executive Order. Trudeau is already gone. Sophie and his double are wearing ankle monitors. We are watching a movie. Happy Canada Day.

#133 jal on 07.03.20 at 6:23 pm

Can you imagine if the USA did not have the greatest medical/health system in the world?
The death rate would be worst than China, India, South America and Africa.
The USA has all kind of structures to do all kind or research.
Here is an example.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31066571/
2018 Oct;25(10):16-20.
Department of Defense End-Of-Season Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness Estimates for the 2017-2018 Season

AND here is a more recent paper

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32023072/
2020 Jan;27(1):17-23.
Respiratory Pathogen Surveillance Trends and Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness Estimates for the 2018-2019 Season Among Department of Defense Beneficiaries
Geeta D Kersellius, William E Gruner, Anthony C Fries, Laurie S DeMarcus, Anthony S Robbins
PMID: 32023072
Free article
Abstract

#134 Idiocy on 07.03.20 at 6:23 pm

to comment #111 Turner Nation

“living in a tent ” is very visceral and powerful imagery – good point TurnerNation.

The video of the Toronto city hall encampment showed a lot of tents that looked relatively new and alike.

Looks like they were all bought at the same store at the same time.

Seems orchestrated to me – from the tents to the occupants to the police “response”.

#135 Blue Lobster on 07.03.20 at 6:26 pm

For the most part, the comments do not add to the experience of visiting this blog. Very little would be lost if the commenting function was disabled for a period of time, or forever.

#136 Reximus on 07.03.20 at 6:26 pm

the only people on this site that make wonder are those that write multi-paragraph tomes everyday…as if anyone reads them. I dont.

Too uni-bomberish for me.

#137 BayArea on 07.03.20 at 6:28 pm

I love the comments section. I don’t agree with a lot of what is said but everyone is entitled to an opinion. I trust Garth to delete the hate filled ones.

We need to be more kind and tolerant as a people.

Have a good weekend everyone!

#138 Stone on 07.03.20 at 6:33 pm

I think there’s only one place to look to understand why/how the comments section has become, per a la Trump, a shithole.

None of us need to tell you what to do. You already know the answer.

#139 PetertheSeparatistfromCalgary on 07.03.20 at 6:34 pm

New daily infections should be labeled new daily detected infections. The rise in detected infections in the USA can be explained mostly by the increase in testing.

A smaller part of the increase might be caused by the phasing out of the lock down and carelessness as people get fed up with restrictions.

Deaths are a lagging but more accurate way to track the pandemic because they do not increase with testing. Daily Covid19 deaths in the United States peaked on May 6, 2020 at 2701. Yesterday July 2, 2020 their were 671 covid19 deaths. Every death is a tragedy but the fact that they are trending down is a huge public health victory for the United States.

Also comparing Canada’s numbers to the US is not valid. The United States is more of a tourist destination than Canada. New York was hit so hard initially because they had many tourists from Europe, China and other countries where Covid19 was endemic.

Finally, the main reason people are going crazy is because an election is coming in the US. It may be worse this election because of lock down cabin fever.

#140 Long-Time Lurker on 07.03.20 at 6:37 pm

I’ve been busy for the last little while and haven’t been able to read all the comments. I’ve also been practicing the digital equivalent of “talk to the hand” to keep my sanity. Anybody’s who’s been razzing me since the pandemic started has been venting their spleen successfully with no offense taken by me. (I never read it!)

Anyway, Garth, maybe it’s time to get your little blog experiment under control. Think about how you want to relate to the blog and shape it to suit you.

There are gems to be found in the comments section. I’ve sure I missed several over the past few weeks.

Maybe the commentors need more dog training to make them less feral or get a tech wizard.

I just comment once in a while now to contribute to the general mayhem.

Long live The Thunderdome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DX2yVucz24

Fantasía.

#141 Wrk.dover on 07.03.20 at 6:37 pm

Trade the blog for one of one of these Garth.
And the people person lifestyle that goes with it!

http://schoonerwolf.com/boat/index.html

#142 binky barnes on 07.03.20 at 6:43 pm

If it will save the blog then I ‘vote’ that you close the comments section, Garth. I can only imagine how tedious it must be to peruse 150-300 comments each day, and how much of your time it must take.

BB

#143 LG on 07.03.20 at 6:45 pm

Dear Garth
I look forward to reading your blog everyday. Thank you.

Please discontinue the comments section if you find yourself negatively effected.

I come to this site to read your words, not the commentators.

Please do not switch to Twitter or Facebook. I do not have those accounts.

#144 Trojan House on 07.03.20 at 6:51 pm

Just read an article about Ottawa. On July 15th, city council will vote on a masks mandatory bylaw. Will probably pass of course. However, there are apparently only 43 active cases in the Capital. Zero new deaths. One person in ICU, 3 others in hospital. All are close to 90% recovered.

Masks mandatory seems very much like overkill, however, council says they want to prevent a second wave (although it doesn’t sound like there was a huge first wave). This is why there is division I think on Covid, nevermind all the other issues out there. There is a definitely a lack of leadership overall in this country in my opinion. Being a leader means sometimes having to make tough choices and, I would say in Ottawa’s case, not making masks mandatory should be an easy decision. But in this world ruled by fear, the decision is to seemingly “play it safe.”

#145 Tudval on 07.03.20 at 6:52 pm

I guess some people still haven’t figured out that the past is the past, while the present, imperfect as it is, will be remembered as ‘the good old days’ 20-30 years from now.

#146 Lawless on 07.03.20 at 6:53 pm

Garth,

Long time reader and big fan. Read the blog every evening. I don’t read the comments section and if the trolls on here are causing you stress please just lose the comments and keep doing what you do. I don’t get any value from the comments. Just my two cents.

#147 yvr_lurker on 07.03.20 at 6:54 pm

I think that closing the comments section for 6 months until after the stupid U.S. election and after whatever further ravages is to be brought upon the world by the nasty Covid would be perfectly fine. Call it one of those Covid closures. Open up shop in January if you have the stomach for it, and then if the second wave of extreme blog-posts hits, shut it down again.

#148 Lisa on 07.03.20 at 6:55 pm

I often wonder why you keep doing this blog and the accompanying comment section. And how Dorothy puts up with it! My guess is that it partly allows you to take the pulse of the nation. Many of us have been regulars for a long time. This is like a virtual version of a neighbourhood bar where everyone goes after work for a drink….”Where everybody knows your name….” Lol.

#149 Thank you on 07.03.20 at 7:02 pm

Thanks Garth for all your posts,
I agree the world is becoming even more polarized and righteous with this virus. Or has the virus brought it to the surface?
From what I have read bloggers here no longer politely disagree but certainly opinionated and not just disagreeing but polarized and righteousness arguments, more now then even six months ago and the crack between grows wider and nastier with every issue and every day.

No one walks a step to the other side. We have now become a society of, I am right you are either with me or wrong. No more, communication, debate or heaven forbid listening.

Just look at the comments today about the charts wow!

Perhaps it’s fear of rapid change? fear of the unknown? Fear of the virus? Or, there are so many lies out there we don’t know what’s true? I can offer no solutions as what’s happening in the world and even in Canada, Sadly it is not the Canada I know of six months ago.

Absolutely we are going to have a momentous paradigm shift! I believe with all my heart things will be better, maybe not this month or this year but it will get better, tens of thousands will surfer but we can all start again. Don’t look at the worst but look at the future possibilities innovation and creativity are the keys to success.
Let’s everyone pull together Pick up your socks and let’s get this country rolling.
Kind regards,
Signed a bright future for those who seek.

#150 Barb on 07.03.20 at 7:04 pm

“…we inch closer to the book-burning which swept others into power, pre-war, through the elimination of memory.”

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Well said, Mr. T.
A generation that erased history.

#151 Glengarry Girl on 07.03.20 at 7:05 pm

I have been a daily reader of Greaterfool for years, I don’t always agree with you Garth, but I do respect you and find your writing to be fair, honest and genuine. However, the comments section has descended into the division and intolerance which mirrors the reality of our times, I hate it too. The few times that I used to comment, I was met with over the top misogynistic, alpha boomer crap which turned me off from continuing the discussions.

#152 TurnerNation on 07.03.20 at 7:07 pm

Update to my post about Queen St e, east of Broadview in Toronto. Blocking off the lane of parking with planters. I see that area is also for small tables to help local business with a patio.
Still it highlights the fact we are considered as diseased animals to be fed outside in the barnyard or leave a saucer of mill on the stoop.
In a medical dictatorship everybody is guilty until proven innocent. And there is no proof.
They designed the perfect mind trap for us
Even if you are perfectly healthy you still might be sick. Anywhere on earth.
Once again this global Ww3 is for our minds.

#153 crowdedelevatorfartz on 07.03.20 at 7:11 pm

@#129 Grumpy
“Lately I’ve been buying Scientific American and the Economist to remind myself we are progressing and that there is news that can be communicated without shouting, insults or threatening someone’s livelihood if someone disagrees with you.”
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I’ve had a subscription to The Economist for 15 years. I read it cover to cover every week.
best mag out there , by far, for an objective, humorous, well researched, non American view of things.
That being said.
I’ll have to check out Scientific American…..

#154 Nonplused on 07.03.20 at 7:15 pm

“Meanwhile this site has come to mirror the distemper, prejudice and intolerance of our times. And I hate it.”

I think it reflects the same sort of results you get with financial advice. It really helps some people but others just don’t want to hear it. It’s that old “you can lead a horse to water….” thing. Anyway I find your rational perspective on the issues helpful because it’s easy to find voices on either extreme of all these issues.

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I still find it perplexing that Canada is fairing so much better than the US re: covid. I’ve come up with a few thoughts:

– Canadians don’t see masks and social distancing as a “rights” issue and are therefore more likely to practice safety measures.

– Once they shut down hockey and the schools there wasn’t any large gatherings outside of maybe church.

– It was too darn cold to go to the beach.

– No protests or Trump rallies.

– Our cities just aren’t as big.

– The number of Canadians who see the virus as a government conspiracy is relatively small.

– Universal health care.

– Canadians have a higher respect for science on average.

This is speculative of course and it can’t be said of “all Canadians” or “all Americans”. Anyway we’ll see. Summer just started and people are itching to get outside. They’ve been outside for some months now in Texas and Louisiana so maybe that is the difference.

#155 Classical Liberal Millennial on 07.03.20 at 7:24 pm

Commenters should have their real name displayed by linking through Google or FaceBook. People might be a little more civil if their real identities are on display.

#156 T-Rev on 07.03.20 at 7:25 pm

People of all stripes are getting progressively angrier…meaner…less tolerant of others, especially of others with opinions outside their own. I don’t know what to make of it all.

Gartho- as an elder statesman of our country, a man with broad public and private experience and an obvious intellectual curiosity, what do you think the solution is? How do we get people off the volatile edge they’re on and get people focussed on public service, greater good, and common cause?

Saw a quote the other day that said “social media is the great filter”. Sometimes I wonder if that’s exactly why there’s no other intelligent life out there…society progresses, avoids nuclear holocaust, starts to reach for the stars…then BOOM! Some prick invents Twitter and the whole thing goes to hell. Social strife, civil war, the end of a common and shared purpose.

#157 Ballingsford on 07.03.20 at 7:29 pm

Dr. Tam had a question today about whether it was OK to have sex. This caught her off guard as she tried to answer the question.
Maybe she should have just said its OK if you are wearing a mask, especially while kissing.

#158 Faron on 07.03.20 at 7:37 pm

#141 Wrk.dover on 07.03.20 at 6:37 pm

Trade the blog for one of one of these Garth.
And the people person lifestyle that goes with it!

http://schoonerwolf.com/boat/index.html

That thing looks like a b*tch to tack. Singlehanded at least.

Maybe you could get the blog dogs here to join you as crew. Change one of the sails to a pride flag, another to the don’t tread on me and another to the cdn flag if only to confuse the hell out of anyone who saw us coming. I think we would all come together quite well in the face of a Nova Scotia Nor’easter. Political differences would be a distant memory…

#159 robert james on 07.03.20 at 7:37 pm

The difference between Canada and the US regarding Cov-19… Of course we don`t have a stable genius running the show Thank goodness !!! https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/07/03/canada-flattens-coronavirus-curve-newton-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

#160 Lana on 07.03.20 at 7:41 pm

Garth, I’ve dropped reading your blog from daily to monthly skimming, and long ago stopped reading the comment section cuz mostly find it disgusting. I share the hope you will ditch the comment section for awhile.

I am posting today, because I am a health professional, and the most rapid of your dogs should spend a week in the shoes of a health care professional especially in ICU. While many think the death rate is minor compared to the rate of infection, what so many don’t know is the lasting damage to organs, lungs, sense of smell, etc of those that recover. Science won’t know enough about the lasting damage of this virus to those who ‘recover’ for years. So ignore the recommendations, be irresponsible to your own body, and those of others. I for one want no experience of this virus.

#161 Nonplused on 07.03.20 at 7:49 pm

#84 Mike on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

I don’t come here to read the comments of others. I, like many, visit HIS blog to read HIS words. If you want to share your perspective, set up your own blog.

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Then don’t read the comments section!

#162 Steve-0 on 07.03.20 at 7:50 pm

PREFERRED SHARES!! I knew that would get your attention. I promise to never yell that at you on the street if I ever see you.

Why are they so cheap. Should I be re balancing? Increasing? Avoiding?

#163 Tulip on 07.03.20 at 7:57 pm

It would truly be a sad day, if this blog was to shut down. I appreciate all that you do Mr. Turner, and reading the comments provides a sense of what people are going through. This appears to be the first year ever that the world has tried to count and record the number of cases of the common cold.

#164 Prairieboy43 on 07.03.20 at 8:26 pm

Finished Staining my fence. Looks good. Two tone. Modern colours. Should increase value of my pad by $50,000.00………..LoL…Tried different stain. I usually paint/stain with Benjamin Moore or Behr. However tried Sico brand. Looks good, good hiding power, water/oil componentry (not sure how that works), on sale at $35.00/gallon. Old fence sure sucked up the stain. Finally nice day, with no rain. I see Highway #16 washed out by Jasper. No worries, no one travelling. Great not to be on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Never had the desire, only here about how world is going to end is on the news. Feel bad for farmers, not getting crops, in. Also beekeepers with long winter, and wet spring. Disaster for a beekeeper. Bees likely perish during long winter with no feed, or no flowers, pollen this spring. Went fishing last week. Caught a few walleye. Lakes are extremely high. Boat loading ramps covered by water. Summer will be over in 7 weeks. Then comes fall. Keep up the good articles Garth. Thank You.
PB43

#165 Squire on 07.03.20 at 8:26 pm

#79 AGuyInVancouver on 07.03.20 at 3:48 pm
That’s crap and you know it. The aggregate number infected in a pandemic is what makes it a pandemic. Stop defending an indefensible position. – Garth
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Exactly, so why not just ban/block the Trumpers and their eyerollingly idiotic comments?

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Because freedom of speech is democratic. If the left wants to censor the right, then it’s no longer freedom of speech. It becomes socialism. Just look at Venezuela. Do you understand yet ? or do you prefer to live there ?
People have short term memories and don’t learn from history. If you destroy history, then from where do we learn ?? It’s all right in front of you, happening live. Look at Hong Kong. They are fighting for their freedom of speech and for freedom itself. However, it seems we are all too eager to give up our freedoms here. Makes no sense.

#166 Tesla and BC House Prices Uppa on 07.03.20 at 8:27 pm

Kelowna showing a nice 8+% gain.

Don’t bet against the house and/or cults David E.

#167 Nonplused on 07.03.20 at 8:27 pm

I am confused by all the comments today suggesting or requesting that the comments section be removed. What a bunch of Karens! You have to hit an extra link to even view them! Click a different link. Some of us really like the comments section and don’t appreciate the idea that Garth would shut it down because someone else told him to.

That said, that won’t happen. Garth will shut it down or not shut it down as he so chooses, I don’t think he needs any advice from us. The comments section is a public service much as is the blog.

That said, I can see several reasons that the comments section might be useful to Garth as well, but I am not going to go into them least I fall victim to the practice of mind-reading. So instead I’ll list some of my reasons for participating in this forum.

– I don’t find there is anything interesting on TV.
– I hate CNN.
– Some of the commenters post interesting ideas.
– Some of the others give me an insight into what the “other side” is thinking aka. Millennium Realist or Cottagers Stay Away! or Keep Your Rent! I never would have known about these people without the comments because their ideas are so foreign to me. Not that I have a cottage or a rental property but now I know one never should, because if Karen isn’t blocking the road to your cottage then Keep Your Rent isn’t paying. That is actually investment advice of a sort.

#168 Ballingsford on 07.03.20 at 8:34 pm

Garth keep the comments section open. You are an intellectual, sage, and profound!

Notice the blogsters posting about shutting down the comments section. Those comments are scattered throughout. They obviously are reading the comments too.

Hypocrites! To the millenials out there who dont get their own way, here’s a quote for you.

I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll defend you to death your right to say it.

Voltaire

And to help you a bit, here’s who Voltaire was if it doesnt stress you out to read a bit more.

François-Marie Arouet, known by his nom de plume Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment writer, historian, and philosopher famous for his wit, his criticism of Christianity—especially the Roman Catholic Church—as well as his advocacy of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and separation of church and state.
Born: November 21, 1694, Paris, France
Died: May 30, 1778, Paris, France
Full name: François-Marie Arouet
Influenced by: John Locke, William Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Molière, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

#169 Jessica on 07.03.20 at 8:36 pm

I’ve always found that the left stands for liberty and liberalism, that is, freedom of thought. Whereas the right would stifle dissent for the continuation of the same old power structures, that cannot be questioned. I fear the right even when it doesn’t reach it’s fascist extremes, because it represents to me the erasure of my voice, my freedom, with the threat of the full violence of the police state. The right’s idea of freedom, is freedom for themselves, while the left’s idea of freedom is freedom and a voice for everyone, even those on the right we disagree with. Whereas the right would silence us. Taking down statues is expressing the freedom to live free of painful reminders. There are at least two ways to view every matter. The problem with the right is it thinks it is right. The left recognizes difference and refuses to be subjected to the right’s enforcement of sameness. I’m a leftist because I value freedom for everyone.

#170 whiplash on 07.03.20 at 8:47 pm

It is up to me if I come to this site, it is up to me if I read only Garth’s post and not the comment section. I have that ability in my right hand and it’s called a mouse. For those that want the comment section shut down try exercising the latter.

#171 Deplorable Dude on 07.03.20 at 8:51 pm

“The left wants to rewrite history, erase historic injustices, bring racial and gender equality to every corner of life and force unity of thought.”

It’s Marxist in origin and called Critical Race Theory.

Taken to its logical conclusion it results in genocide, e.g. the Jews and Russian Kulacks. Both ethnic groups were classified with an undesirable trait. ‘White Privilege’ is the just latest version of this. It’s the worst form of racism.

It’s completely taken over higher education, and is now causing chaos in many businesses/organisations that have been taken over by ‘Woke’ HR depts. I’ve witnessed it myself in 2 groups I’m part of who are trying to impose a forced ‘diversity quota’.

Read all about it :-

https://newdiscourses.com/

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Also….one major reason US case counts have gone thru the roof….they changed how folks are getting classified. If one positive result person had contact with say 20 others….those 20 are now counted as positive….

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jy9hyl6iqjas6e/NEW%20Covid-19%20Case%20Definions.pdf?dl=0

#172 Doug t on 07.03.20 at 8:57 pm

CHANGE – that’s what is happening worldwide – the same way it has for millennia and will always be that way. We may not like it, are uncomfortable with it, even despise it, but it’s happening at a magnified rate. The negative energy in the world is also increasing and we shall see where that takes us in the next several years.

Fasten your seatbelts as you are now entering The Twilight Zone

#173 IHCTD9 on 07.03.20 at 9:02 pm

“The left wants to rewrite history, erase historic injustices, bring racial and gender equality to every corner of life and force unity of thought. It’s assumed the ethical high ground. That’s behind the ‘white silence = violence” meme. Climate change. Universal Basic Income. BLM and BIPOC. As monuments, place names, statues, the RCMP and Canada Day itself are attacked and soiled, we inch closer to the book-burning which swept others into power, pre-war, through the elimination of memory.”
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Aye. The hard left SJW’s may well go down in history as kicking off the beginning of the end of human civilizational progress.

Theoretical Physicists predict in about 80 years, we should attain Type 1 Civilization. It’s also pretty apparent that no civilization in the universe has made it past Type 1, they would be known to us if so.

The disruption caused by all this protesting crap only divides us, and a sub global civilization will never make it past Type 1, probably not even past Type 0.

The single most important goal for the Human race is to achieve Type 2 so we can get off this planet. No other logical option for our future is available. We will not be able to carry on here for too much longer, if we make Type 1, the earth will not support the new population/lifestyle loading.

Wasting time attacking/burning/toppling for politics is a great way to add the human race to what may be a long list of other intelligent alien civilizations who also blew it and went to zero.

#174 n1tro on 07.03.20 at 9:10 pm

#157 Ballingsford on 07.03.20 at 7:29 pm
Dr. Tam had a question today about whether it was OK to have sex. This caught her off guard as she tried to answer the question.
Maybe she should have just said its OK if you are wearing a mask, especially while kissing.
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Dr. Tam should have stuck to the “science” and said no to sex since the virus can be transmitted through any mucosal membrane. The likelihood of transmission is probably the same as the likelihood of a cloth mask preventing spreading the virus given how majority of people are using it incorrectly. I give it a month and an uptick of cases before she tells people to not have sex along with no farting within 6 feet of each other.

Sorry @crowdedelevatorfartz, your pastime will be soon considered domestic terrorism.

#175 Gravy Train on 07.03.20 at 9:11 pm

#31 will on 07.03.20 at 2:34 pm
“BD. BIPOC. These are new to me. Translation anyone?” BD = birthday. BIPOC = black, indigenous and people of colour. :P

#176 Sutti Sharma on 07.03.20 at 9:20 pm

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#177 n1tro on 07.03.20 at 9:26 pm

#160 Lana on 07.03.20 at 7:41 pm
Garth, I’ve dropped reading your blog from daily to monthly skimming, and long ago stopped reading the comment section cuz mostly find it disgusting. I share the hope you will ditch the comment section for awhile.

I am posting today, because I am a health professional, and the most rapid of your dogs should spend a week in the shoes of a health care professional especially in ICU. While many think the death rate is minor compared to the rate of infection, what so many don’t know is the lasting damage to organs, lungs, sense of smell, etc of those that recover. Science won’t know enough about the lasting damage of this virus to those who ‘recover’ for years. So ignore the recommendations, be irresponsible to your own body, and those of others. I for one want no experience of this virus.
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Hey Lana, you are right. Many people don’t know the lasting damage of the virus on the 99% of the people who have recovered. One of those people is YOU, so please do you part and stop with the guilt mongering because I don’t remember you saying anything while thousands were out and about linked in arms protesting.

People are fed up (right or wrong) of being locked inside while our glorious leaders go to their cottages and take a knee in crowds of protestors for publicity.

#178 akashic record on 07.03.20 at 9:33 pm

” It will be years before we have a valid perspective on this experience.”

Too bad, it will also be too late by then.

#179 Wrk.dover on 07.03.20 at 9:43 pm

#158 Faron on 07.03.20 at 7:37 pm
#141 Wrk.dover on 07.03.20 at 6:37 pm

Trade the blog for one of one of these Garth.
And the people person lifestyle that goes with it!

http://schoonerwolf.com/boat/index.html

That thing looks like a b*tch to tack. Singlehanded at least.

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When I was a guest on that Ship way back during the Miami Vice era, it was an all girl crew. Kick back and watch.

Late one evening I was afforded my complimentary lay low on the poop deck and chill status while a charter party of players had themselves a white (line) wedding forward. Captain Finbar rammed the bowsprit deep into the pines on the back of the (now developed) Island off Mallory Square to perform the vows in the moonlight.

The mid-ship waterline was a good three feet above sea level. When it was time to depart, the engine growled a slow baritone ‘Rum, rum, rum” and there was a flood of prop wash water like springtime rivers along both rails.
In short order the Ship was afloat in a brand new fiord deep in the sand bank, and eased herself back into the sea.

Not your average gag and puke cattle boat, a Real Pirate Ship! Well overbuilt with tubs of old money, she is still around with unimaginable high seas memories of the life of the ship master, the wolf she is named for.

I view Garth as an excellent crew building Captain.
Some of the crew here needs to be flogged back to order! And he is up to it. Watch.

#180 cuke and tomato picker on 07.03.20 at 9:46 pm

I enjoy the blog and the comments – keep going please.

#181 Big Eh on 07.03.20 at 9:50 pm

I don’t get it. In dismay you write “This damn pandemic has made the cleave worse” and then you characterize the left and right in two divisive paragraphs. Neither paragraph described where I am, nor where the people I associate with are. I see Trump as representing post-truth, post competence and, worst of all, post-decency. Those things are trashing the country to the south, and hopefully will cost him reelection. It’s the post-decency that’s hardest to correct.

#182 Hail Mary on 07.03.20 at 9:50 pm

#84 Mike on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

#32
Yet Garth dutifully denies these facts to appease his followers. I can’t blame him though, he does run a business predicated on clientele. Why infect the hand that feeds you? Besides, take a look at his followers comments. They are advocating that he shut down the comments section. Obviously they don’t like any thought that opposes theirs.
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I don’t come here to read the comments of others. I, like many, visit HIS blog to read HIS words. If you want to share your perspective, set up your own blog.

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Really Mikey? If that were true, you wouldn’t be reading the comment section now, would you, and making such comments?

I, unlike you, seek opinions from all sides and make my own choices and decisions. You, in fact, are obviously one of those who are in favor of shutting down the comments section (that you never read)!

Hoisted on your own petard!

#183 Alba on 07.03.20 at 10:08 pm

#43 Dolce Vita
I’m just wondering how many statues of Mussolini are there in Italy.

#184 kappa on 07.03.20 at 10:24 pm

I luv the comments section. It’s part o’ the blog, I tell ya. All the ideas fellas are floating around. It ain’t nothin’ wron’ with that. Been reading this blog for a couple o’ years now. Som’ things keep being told all over again – it ain’t nothin’ wron’ with that. For some reason we seem to have a short memory, I tell ya. Cheers ! :)

#185 Pete from St. Cesaire on 07.03.20 at 10:25 pm

Imagine if Canada started a campaign of testing the entire populace for the antibodies to the Chicken-pox. And all-day every day the news media would report on the day’s tally of ‘new’ cases discovered.
Ponder that scenario for a while.
Imagine the field day that could be had by those in control of the narrative.

#186 will on 07.03.20 at 10:25 pm

#174 Gravy Train

Ok thanks for that.

#187 S on 07.03.20 at 10:44 pm

Thank you for this blog and the community of individuals who chose to leave comments here. I’d pay money to read some of them. This section offers a window through which gamut of opinions that Canadians hold and why they hold them can be seen. Reading the comment section is optional, leaving a remark even more so.

#188 Patrick on 07.03.20 at 10:45 pm

Garth

You don’t need to publish this.

In comment 10 you asserted that pandemics are defined by quantity of cases.

I believe this is factually incorrect and you may wish to retract.

Amigo.. CDC definition asserts that a pandemic is defined by excess DEATHS- not CASES!

Check me.

#189 Alphonse Kehaulic on 07.03.20 at 10:46 pm

Mr Turner, please don’t shutter the comments section, please don’t be an example of cancel culture.

I’d rather scroll through miles and miles of head-scratchers to find a few jewels here and there than not to be able to read ANY comments at all. It’s a price worth paying.

#190 Owl Eyes on 07.03.20 at 10:54 pm

The blog is great and I hope you keep it up. Comments can be fun, may have bits of good info here and there, but are not worth whatever trouble they are causing you. With apologies to the still fairly large number of reasonable commenters on the blog, I’d agree you should probably pause or cancel the comments section

#191 SoggyShorts on 07.03.20 at 10:56 pm

#36 truefacts on 07.03.20 at 2:42 pm
Sweden DID NOT lock down – great statistical control group for study…

Here’s there covid death stats

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

A little more than 1% of deaths to people under 50.
VAST MAJORITY of deaths in people over 70.

Based on these FACTS…Would it not make sense to open things up and simply put appropriate health protocols in place for older people???
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Keep in mind that Swedes are very different people.
The government made recommendations like social distancing, no non-essential travel, etc, and for the most part, people followed the suggestions.

Their whole attitude is simply different.
E.G. Travel over the Easter weekend dropped more than 90%; the government did not tell ski resorts to close for Easter, a popular ski holiday time, but the resorts closed anyway.

Other factors too like more than 50% of homes in Sweden are single occupancy.

I think Sweden is doing the right thing…for Sweden. I think their policies on our(or America’s) populations would have terrible results.

#192 Alphonse Kehaulic on 07.03.20 at 10:57 pm

#123 Lambchop, #124 Idiocy

Is it beyond the realm of possibility that this is simply set dec? Folks playing roles, not the real thing?

I’m not saying it is – only questioning the scene, playing a little Columbo.

I wonder if cancel culture is hightailing it to even cancel the very idea of questioning?

#193 SoggyShorts on 07.03.20 at 10:58 pm

#182 SoggyShorts on 07.03.20 at 10:56 pm
#36 truefacts on 07.03.20 at 2:42 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/fss366/waiting_for_the_bus_in_sweden/

#194 SoggyShorts on 07.03.20 at 10:59 pm

#113 Tater on 07.03.20 at 9:34 am
#87 JPN on 07.03.20 at 12:09 am

The truth is, at $19 an hour, it’s not compelling for employees to work for you. You need to figure out why that is, and simply blaming CERB isn’t enough when the take home on working 37.5 hours a week for you should be 20% more than you’d get on CERB.

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Look at it this way: Would you take a 20% pay cut to retire?
That’s most people’s retirement math: have the income to cover 80% of pre-retirement spending.

Now think about low skilled entry-level workers who are decades away from thinking about retirement:
A 20% raise to get off the couch and do some work? Not very enticing no matter how great the employer is.

#195 viorelli on 07.03.20 at 11:14 pm

There will be no more lockdowns after the arrival of 2nd wave. The world economy and the individual country states cannot afford another lockdown. The next step will be the Sweden way. Some casualties are expected. The governments and the Corporates both understand it. Expect more mayhem in the fall of 2020!

#196 Kingstonboy on 07.03.20 at 11:34 pm

Comments sections are merely the vocal minority venting.
It’s harmless and entertaining.. don’t shut it down.
Maybe just use the ban hammer more often on the nastier buggers.

#197 Bobby Bittman on 07.03.20 at 11:45 pm

91 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 4:21 pm
#84 Mike on 07.03.20 at 3:56 pm

I don’t come here to read the comments of others. I, like many, visit HIS blog to read HIS words. If you want to share your perspective, set up your own blog.

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Mike 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Garth, and the Word was Garth.”

Awesome! LMAO

#198 Stahom on 07.04.20 at 1:04 am

VFV,XEF,XEC,CPD,XLB,HYI, ZRE. Just learned the best investment in these times is RMGC. Golf membership. Walking a golf course, listening to birds, seeing mama coyote and cubs, occasional deer. Streaming tv? Forget it, I’m knocking off a few holes before bed. Raining. Heck yeah; easier to golf in rain than snow since we’ll be in for a long no-fly winter.

Enjoy the simple things, Prepare a tasty meal at home with your people. Don’t sweat the thing beyond one’s control.

BTW golf is hard and can make you nuts, but time spent on the links is gold.

#199 Loonie Coder on 07.04.20 at 1:05 am

What if there was an AI Garth that moderated the comments section? The machine would need all the previously deleted comments to learn from though.

#200 Nonplused on 07.04.20 at 1:16 am

Another idea popped into my head probably will be deleted. You know we all were taught in school that the colonizers gave the native polio or small pox infected blankets to wipe them out. Well let’s do some thinking. Since at the time nobody knew anything about germs and a 4 month voyage on a ship would be plenty of time for the germs they didn’t know about to die, could this have really been a strategy? I don’t think so. Somebody sick came over, but there is no way it could have been a strategy. How would the colonists even have known? It may have played a part but the fact of the matter is that technology wins every time. The British had guns and farming.

#201 SoggyShorts on 07.04.20 at 1:37 am

#155 Classical Liberal Millennial on 07.03.20 at 7:24 pm
Commenters should have their real name displayed by linking through Google or FaceBook. People might be a little more civil if their real identities are on display.*********************
So how weird was it growing up with a name like Classical Liberal Millennial?

While I normally support accountability, there are too many posters who share private information (like finances!) for us to have our real names attached.

#202 Steve French on 07.04.20 at 2:05 am

I hate to say it, but the comments section hasn’t been the same since Smoking Man retired.

Also, Garth didn’t respond to my question last week about whether i should sell my high yield bond etf.

Yep. Things sure aren’t like the old days…

#203 earthboundmisfit on 07.04.20 at 6:04 am

The comments section of your blog is like a car crash …. you can’t help but look, and then admonish yourself for doing so. Maybe it’s time to lose it …. far too many whack jobs.

#204 Do we have all the facts on 07.04.20 at 7:10 am

#160 Lana

As a health care professional you are well aware of the long term health consequences of smoking, second hand smoke, coal mining, and air pollution. Mankind has made quite a few poor choices over the years and has managed to survive in spite of their poor judgement.

I have never smoked and have spent my 55 of my 72 years avoiding all smoky environments. Prior to legislative changes people actually smoked in planes and you could cut through the air in bingo halls with a knife.

In spite of serious health consequences people still smoke tobacco and now smoking cannabis is legal.

As an individual who is vulnerable to the Covid 19 virus I am avoiding crowds, wearing a mask when going out in public and social distancing. I do not expect the general population of Canada to shutdown the economy, stop attending sporting events, stop attending schools, stop shopping in malls, stop going to church, and stop gathering with friends to protect the vulnerable from Covid 19.

As a health care professional you understand that living poses a danger to your health. Even if we spent our entire lives locked in a sterile room, eating sterile food without contact with other humans we could still could be exposed to danger. Viruses are very very tiny.

It is time to move on and initiate measures to protect the most vulnerable. Stopping the practice of placing hundreds of thousands of seniors four to a room in long term care facilities is a much better place to start than forcing the 96.6 % of the general population not affected by the Covid 19 virus to lockdown while the economy goes into a tailspin.

Fear of living is far more dangerous than the fear of dying.

#205 Player24 on 07.04.20 at 7:13 am

Garth..greatly enjoy your blog. Simply get rid of the comments section .Most of the ignorant people won’t read the blog anymore if they can’t rant and rave.

#206 Phylis on 07.04.20 at 7:37 am

Harshly said, “Your other three posters need to step up.”

#207 Bob on 07.04.20 at 8:13 am

Hey Garth. Keep up the good work. The comments reflect our mixed up society right now. Please don’t forget that our society was based on the that very foundation, we can express our views, and we can discuss and sort out the two extremes.. FYI , I miss your speaking tours!

#208 Classical Liberal Millennial on 07.04.20 at 8:15 am

#170 Jessica
You confusing your left and right??

#209 Phylis on 07.04.20 at 8:19 am

Oh, …and without comments to read, what would Bill do in his spare time?

#210 SOMETHINGS UP!! on 07.04.20 at 8:29 am

FOR 310 YEARS Africans in America were treated like FARM ANIMALS.

Forced to work in bondage in horrendous conditions.

Many very well to do families that exist today are reaping the benefits of 3 CENTURIES of free labor.

That SICKENING slave master mentality hasn’t disappeared from the current American culture.

Make sure CANADIANS do our part to erradicate the ignorance and hate that lives in that cold-blooded society.

#211 pjwlk on 07.04.20 at 8:32 am

Garth, I’ve been reading your blog pretty much since it’s inception. I once truly enjoyed reading the comments but now there is simply too much that is not relevant with a small amount of good content. Finding the good comments now takes too much effort.

I’ve always admired your belief in letting people say their bit even when it’s contrary to your thoughts. Unfortunately it is that which also led to this comment section descending into chaos.

I agree with the others perhaps it’s time for a rest for the comments. Or perhaps the answer it to implement a thumbs up voting system and let your readers do the work for you.

#212 Bytor the Snow Dog on 07.04.20 at 8:34 am

#33 Steven Nicolle on 07.03.20 at 2:36 pm sobs:

“Totally agree. Some of the comments on this blog are ruthless. Maybe some people have lived a sorry life and use this blog to spew out their frustration. Their family probably doesn’t come see them. The cats in the cradle syndrome. Their son moved on, skeletons in the closet as their lives are grotesquely moving towards the finale. When I read what some say that about the stats, it’s panic for nothing, fake news putting spins on the facts. They live in pure misery Garth. They got nothing else in their life. I cannot believe how anyone can support Trump. Honestly. I have nothing else to add. Right now I would rather be a broke Canadian and live here than a rich American and live there.”
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You could not find a better example of an irrational person of the left who’s governed strictly by feelz than “Steven’s” post above.

If you don’t agree with “Steven” you’re one step below the devil and you may even kill kittens and eat puppies!

Even worse you might even like Trump!

Lolz.

#213 TurnerNation on 07.04.20 at 8:53 am

#161 Lana where were you the past 10 years?
All the people in the ER with horrible and long lasting damage due to entirety preventable injuries.
People doing dangerous sports. Wearing no seat belt. Drug abuse. A lifetime of abusing body. Not dressing warmly in the cold. Smoking. No exercise. Bad diet. You name it.
Why is now you care about my health?
Think of all the damage and lives you could have saved warning us all those years ago.

The mask bylaws being enacted globally are simply the global rulers flexing their muscle. The Old System was shut down Friday 13th in March.
The New System is being brought up.
It means no fun, compliance, no empathy.
Essentially the AI will run it all.
We are in the compliance phase of the rollput.

#214 IHCTD9 on 07.04.20 at 8:56 am

#170 Jessica on 07.03.20 at 8:36 pm
I’ve always found that the left stands for liberty and liberalism, that is, freedom of thought. Whereas the right would stifle dissent for the continuation of the same old power structures, that cannot be questioned. I fear the right even when it doesn’t reach it’s fascist extremes, because it represents to me the erasure of my voice, my freedom, with the threat of the full violence of the police state. The right’s idea of freedom, is freedom for themselves, while the left’s idea of freedom is freedom and a voice for everyone, even those on the right we disagree with. Whereas the right would silence us. Taking down statues is expressing the freedom to live free of painful reminders. There are at least two ways to view every matter. The problem with the right is it thinks it is right. The left recognizes difference and refuses to be subjected to the right’s enforcement of sameness. I’m a leftist because I value freedom for everyone
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This is horrible.

Probably have not read such painful, dated reasoning all year.

You do what you like, but your opinions here are ridiculous given everything that’s being going on out there the last decade or so. We’re talking stand up comedy level here.

Time to get your ideas up to speed using open eyes, and intellectual honesty. Your reasoning here is so old it’s got mould growing on it.

#215 TurnerNation on 07.04.20 at 9:11 am

Actually the new mask bylaws being rushed out are not about health. It’s about breaking our sprit as tax slaves and keeping us apart.
As always the most vulnerable, children and elderly are targets. In my province playgrounds are closed. Hugging an elderly relative in a home is banned by law.
All fun is banned. Concerts. Kids bdays. Sports.
This is communism comrades.
The pretense of individual rights has been removed. It’s all about the New System now.
“Public health”. Even private and corporate landlords had rights of eviction, rent and enforcement of ownership taken away.
The system demands it.
A hat trick coming . T1, T2, T3.

Our elites love walls. All we heard last year was building a wall. One in the middle east too.
Now we got another Berlin wall.
Beware of all the useful idiots you might know who will support this new system.

#216 Dharma Bum on 07.04.20 at 9:15 am

#19 No Garth, I love you

Just ban the dummies and let’s get back to the good stuff.
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That’s divisive.

Dummies Lives Matter.

#217 Bytor the Snow Dog on 07.04.20 at 9:27 am

@205 Do we have all the facts:

Bravo. Well said. Get busy livin’ or get busy dyin’.

#218 Dharma Bum on 07.04.20 at 9:28 am

#29 Squire

At least in the USA they’re trying to get back to work. Here…. yikes. What will become of us ?
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Trudeau’s plan is working perfectly.

His ploy for an unprecedented power grab while dictatorially rigging the game in order to reduce all Canadians to their lowest common denominator:

A bunch of poor, broke, ignorant, welfare snorfelling, debt snarfelling, handout grabbing, poutine eating, Tim Hortons coffee drinking, hockey watching, cigarette smoking, donut eating, moose hunting, plaid lumber jacket wearing hosers.

#219 David Hawke on 07.04.20 at 9:30 am

I don’t usually read Sail Away’s comments, however, he has an excellent one today for the comment nay-sayers, do NOT click the comments button, problem solved, EH!

#220 fused on 07.04.20 at 9:35 am

#170 Jessica
Nailed it with your first sentence, the left does love freedom of thought, but only their thoughts!

#221 Dharma Bum on 07.04.20 at 9:45 am

Deep down, I think Garth really loves the comments.

I’m not that deep. – Garth

#222 G on 07.04.20 at 9:57 am

An article to ponder. July 4, RT

I’ve lost all trust in medical research – the financial muscle of Big Pharma has been busy distorting science during the pandemic
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/493732-big-pharma-pandemic-covid/

#223 G on 07.04.20 at 10:27 am

I wonder when PMT will realize the CCP is not the worlds friend, to put it mildly. India has. Maybe he’ll surprise me and do the same as India has, links.

Why India’s TikTok ban could help establish it as a major player in the tech world… and cause big problems for the Chinese
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/493766-india-china-apps-replace/

For another view of china CCP. 12min. July3
This guy lived in China and says he was friends with Michel one of the Canadian held hostage by the CCP,@~10:15.
(He’s married to a Chinese DR., the CCP government is the issue, not the people.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgqdfAomVI

#224 Squire on 07.04.20 at 10:29 am

#211 SOMETHINGS UP!! on 07.04.20 at 8:29 am
FOR 310 YEARS Africans in America were treated like FARM ANIMALS.

Forced to work in bondage in horrendous conditions.

Many very well to do families that exist today are reaping the benefits of 3 CENTURIES of free labor.

That SICKENING slave master mentality hasn’t disappeared from the current American culture.

Make sure CANADIANS do our part to erradicate the ignorance and hate that lives in that cold-blooded society.

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One question ? What did Obama do for his own people ? answer = nothing. And definitely less than Trump did.
Read up on American history. It’s a fact, the Republicans were the one’s that abolished slavery. Not the Democrats. The Democrats were actually quite disgusting back in those days. It’s history, I dare you to read or is it better to destroy history ??
” Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” … George Santayana

#225 Dan on 07.04.20 at 10:52 am

Garth, I would not panic just yet. I grew up in a communist country and I read a lot about how did totalitarian regimes come to power.

There are two ways for this to happen:
1. External intervention, which works well for small countries
2. Revolution following extreme economic hardship and economic chaos – like what happened in Russia (communists) and Germany (nazis).

I do not see any of these happening in Canada. For one – the economic hardship is very far from that point. Also there are just too many immigrants like myself who really appreciate what has been build here and do not really care to transplant the bs from the old country here.

The current law and order regime supported by the unmodified British/Canadian history of the land is just fine for us. We do not need some Reds to tell us what to think and what to do. Been there, done that.

#226 Jenn on 07.04.20 at 12:02 pm

I don’t think those characterizations are quite right. The left isn’t looking to erase history, but to acknowledge history and its impacts on people who are not white. And that means realizing that celebrating historical figures who did huge harm to the Indigenous is not very moral. For example, if someone stole your children, where would you want that person’s statue to be erected?
Statues glorify people. Those who were important but problematic are best learned about in museums, schools and from books. Germany handles their darkest chapter very well in this regard. We need to get the full history, not just the winner’s version of events. That’s not erasure. That’s a proper education.

And with regards to the virus’s deadliness, let’s look at the numbers:
USA Flu deaths typical: 35k-65k/year
USA COVID-19 deaths so far: 132k and counting.

Those flu numbers happen when business operates as normal. These Covid numbers are despite varying lockdown measures. And even though they’ve done a bad job of locking down and wearing masks, etc, Americans are still being far more cautious than normal, and still deaths are twice the flu death on a bad year and counting.
And– and! because it’s not the flu– because it’s a novel virus– we don’t have any idea about its long-term effect on the body, even for those who have recovered. Only time will tell. Any new virus could have untold consequences down the road.
Polio left many paralyzed. Measles short circuits your immune system. Other diseases have blinded people, or left them sterile. Covid could leave people with permanent lung damage, or who knows what else.

#227 JSquared on 07.04.20 at 12:06 pm

Thanks for your daily words of wisdom. Love the blog. Lose the comments section, it doesn’t add any value anymore. I used to enjoy reading them, but I can’t be bothered wasting my time scrolling through all the garbage that it’s become infected with. Too bad, there was a time when folks used to contribute vs contaminate.

#228 Eric Blair on 07.04.20 at 12:41 pm

Hi Garth. Do not despair!

All the trolls out there can buzz off in my view. I know it must be burdensome for you sometimes to have so much BS background noise blowing your way…

I think the good you’ve done for people who actually think critically and take responsibility for their own financial and personal decisions far outweighs the bluster of the propellerhead crowd.

Count me in as one of them. Your guidance helped raise me up out of essential ignorance of personal financial matters.

My “balanced and diversified” portfolio has matched the S&P 500 for a long time.

I held on through the insane roller coaster of the last few months and man, what a ride that was.

“Never sell into a storm.”

Hell yea!

#229 Sparrow on 07.04.20 at 1:14 pm

Please continue Garth. Don’t let the comments get to you.

#230 Dan on 07.04.20 at 3:10 pm

Garth – you may want to outsource comments moderation for a while and take a break. I agree with you – sometimes it is just too much toxic stuff gathered in a very short duration and it takes its toll.

#231 Dan on 07.04.20 at 3:15 pm

Re: #170 Jessica – they are called commissars and historically have a pretty bad reputation…

#232 Reynolds753 on 07.04.20 at 4:09 pm

214 TurnerNation on 07.04.20 at 8:53 am

#161 Lana where were you the past 10 years?
All the people in the ER with horrible and long lasting damage due to entirety preventable injuries.
People doing dangerous sports. Wearing no seat belt. Drug abuse. A lifetime of abusing body. Not dressing warmly in the cold. Smoking. No exercise. Bad diet. You name it.
Why is now you care about my health?
Think of all the damage and lives you could have saved warning us all those years ago.
The mask bylaws being enacted globally are simply the global rulers flexing their muscle. The Old System was shut down Friday 13th in March.
The New System is being brought up.
It means no fun, compliance, no empathy.
Essentially the AI will run it all.
We are in the compliance phase of the rollput.
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As a reader who usually scrolls past anything said by TurnerNation, I did not on this occasion. I am a front line health care provider as is Lana. You really have no idea whatsoever of which you speak. You were warned and cautioned about doing stupid things to affect your health. Were you not paying attention?

COVID-19 puts us all at risk. There are some modifiable factors (distancing, hand washing, mask wearing) that may alter the risk. This not dangerous sports, smoking or drug abuse.

I can see why Garth Turner gets so frustrated.

#233 Kathy on 07.04.20 at 5:16 pm

Hi Garth
I enjoy reading your column very much and have learned a lot from it. I am sorry that there is so much distemper, prejudice and intolerance in the comment section (which I don’t usually read). I hope this will not put you off and that you will continue with your very insightful blog. Thank you.

#234 tccontrarian on 07.04.20 at 5:54 pm

#128 Sail Away on 07.03.20 at 6:04 pm

Wow, all the calls to shut down the comments section.

For those people, here’s a little tip I like to call:

“A way around it all”

1. After finishing Garth’s blog post, you’ll notice at the bottom a bold hyperlink that says [#] comments, followed by an arrow pointing down.

2. Do not click that hyperlink

3. You’re welcome

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Besides, the comment section has a lot of value as it serves as a barometer for the greater society. Investment houses can benefit from that because a lot of how people invest is based on perception and sentiment.

I read most comments most days for this reason as well – several astute commenters whose ideas I value (among the plethora of ‘noise’).

From all that I’ve seen and read, along with my understanding of viruses and health, we can’t really stop them from spreading over the long-term. We can slow them down of course, but do we really want to? I don’t know.
An interesting Doctor whom I’d recommend to everyone to listen to is Dr. Zack Bush. Google him as I don’t think I’m allowed to post links to YT. Very intelligent person who understands the Big Picture of health.

tcc

#235 Dave on 07.04.20 at 9:53 pm

Hey Garth. Love your blog, but cringed today when I saw you posted graphs related to Covid totals, but didn’t also post a graph related to the number of tests being conducted. More tests = more cases. Also, it should be noted that the tests (PCRs) are pretty much useless in terms of accurately assessing such infections.

Cheers.

#236 Sharon on 07.06.20 at 12:09 pm

Hi Garth,

I’ve been a reader for many years. Your blog is such a great resource for me. I’ve learned a lot about business, personal finance, politics and how they coexist and influence each other.

I look forward to your posts, especially the ones that make me rethink my own opinions and prejudices. Sometimes they change, sometimes they don’t, and always I leave your blog feeling a bit more enriched.

I’ve come to the realization that comments are usually a cesspool of negativity and pointing out mistakes. I am leaving a comment to share how much I greatly appreciate your posts and I am pretty sure I am part of the silent majority. Don’t let the negative commenters keep you down, Garth!

#237 Ryan on 07.06.20 at 4:28 pm

The left currently reminds me of George Orwell’s 1984 book. They are very scary.