No normal

There’s no virus in broad swaths of Canada. The east is basically Covid-free. No cases. BC is good. The North, too. Seems once Ontario and Quebec get their outbreaks over (drawing closer) the nation will not only have flattened the curve but kicked the little bug’s germy butt.

This is in stark contrast to the US, where active cases are romping higher in many areas (including red states). Globally, the WHO says things are worsening. There have been 9.2 million cases with a little more than half recovered thus far. Over 475,000 have died, and a quarter of those in one country – America. Officials say the toll there will double by autumn. It’s an indictment – of something.

Covid brought unemployment of between 13% and 17% to Canada. The economy has taken a huge hit. Public finances are a mess. About 20% of people can’t/won’t pay their mortgages. Eight million are on public emergency benefits. These are unprecedented times.

The good news? I got my hair cut last weekend. No longer do I look like the homeless drummer for a ‘80s metal band. Or like my dog.

We know pandemics are temporary and will pass. Stock markets and investors have obviously been counting on that (the S&P 500 is ahead 42% since March and up 8% year/year). But what about public psychology? When will things go back to normal? What changes are in the offing? How long will recovery take?

This much is clear: public health officials and governments did a great job of changing behaviours. This has done three things: (a) punt the virus, (b) crater the economy and (c) scare the crap out of everyone.

Look at the latest Leger poll results. Astonishing.

Most (66%) of people don’t want social distancing to end. And they’d like it kept at two metres, double what the WHO recommends. That pretty much pooches restaurants, which need higher occupancies to survive. Ditto for airplanes, concerts, bars, sporting events and a lot of stores. Overwhelmingly (74%) Canadians expect a second wave of Covid to hit and 51% think they might get it.

But to date only one-third of 1% of the population has been infected – a little over 100,000 cases in a population of 36,000,000. So far 65,000 people are healthy again and the recovery rate is 92%. In other words, the fear and the stats don’t hunt. (Total cases per million is almost three times higher in the States.)

The key question: is this a public health triumph and are people correct to stay vigilant, or was this an example of epic overreaction and government overreach?

Beats me. You don’t know, either. Nor will anyone for a few years. But we do know a lot of people are freaked out, diving around in their cars wearing masks, leaping off the sidewalk when you approach, avoiding stores or just staying home. Leger found 46% of folks are stressed when they have to leave the couch. Six in ten believe ‘normal’ is a long ways off. A third say it’s gone forever.

What are the implications of this?

Full economic recovery will take longer in Canada than the US, where many more will be stricken by Covid. People will still be jumping off the sidewalk when there’s snow on it. Stands to reason that the Canadian equity market will reflect this (already happening).

It will be two years (likely) before Canadian interest rates crawl out of their near-zero ditch. The new Bank of Canada boss, Tiff, has made that clear. This was reflected in the advent of the lowest-ever mortgage rate this week – 1.65% for a one-year term. Yup, below inflation. Free money.

Cheap loans coupled with financial illiteracy and house lust will, sadly, set up more people as victims in the next economic bust. Will we never learn that a one-asset strategy and over-leveraging are dangerous? Of course not.

We may lose an airline. Without a doubt there’ll be blood running down the gutters of many towns and regions that live/die on the tourist trade. It’s July next week. Millions of people have been home for three months. Kids off school since March. The line between work/ not-work has been erased and family vacations are a quaint notion in 2020. Just going shopping is a life-altering experience.

For investors, this means keeping your maple exposure in check. Yes, you need Canadian assets because you live here, in Canadian dollars, and want the tax advantage of domestic assets. But our nation has rapidly eroded its fiscal position, will recover more slowly from the virus, is likely to extend social benefits longer than anyone imagined and is turning into more of a high-tax regime. Plus there will be a federal election in 2021 with a Liberal majority, followed by a UBI.

That’s the real message of the Leger poll, in case you missed it. And you thought it was just a pandemic.

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#1 Carlos on 06.23.20 at 2:27 pm

If the numbers out of the States are an indication about what happens when government leaders DON’T listen to smart docs and epidemiologists, then yes, our situation is correctly, “a public health triumph and are people correct to stay vigilant”.

Short term pain, long term gain. If we all have to pay more taxes to get thru the next decade so be it. Otherwise we just end up with a crappy health care system that can’t handle our “normal” public health needs.

#2 conan on 06.23.20 at 2:40 pm

It looks like 25 States will have to go back into stage one lock down. If this happens, General Cheetos is going to get the blame. Just that alone takes him out of the 2020 election. But wait, there is more, and I think everyone knows that. Even die hard Trumpeteers.

#3 Erik on 06.23.20 at 2:48 pm

Third!!

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm

Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

#147 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 1:40 pm

#143 Faron on 06.23.20 at 12:58 pm
#107 Sail away on 06.22.20 at 10:42 pm

“…protecting them?”

Have you been to the CHOP? Yeah, me neither. But, you have this idea that lots of people live there and have businesses there, right? I kinda did too. Anyhow, Google has been there, so I just street-viewed the blocks in question. The central block has almost no storefronts on one side and the Police precinct on the other and a newish looking condo build. Public storage and a film center on another aspect. A taco shop, liquor store and what looks like another apartment building. A sports field. Lots of street art and overall the kind of vibrancy that makes Vancouver stand out for how achingly boring it is while leaning on its west coast progressive credentials. Victoria too. But I digress.

The food outlets are probably seeing the best business they’ve seen in many months. The cinema, probably part of the protest and would be closed anyway. Liquor store? no brainer, BOOMING. The police? who cares. I’m sure they just shifted their resources for the time being. I bet it’s safe to say that a large chunk of people who live in those two buildings are STOKED about CHOP. These kinds of movements are fun and inspiring.

Regardless, I can’t speak for anyone there, nor can you. But, there are probably as many or more local voices in support than there are of cowering citizenry afraid of the rampant arting and demonstrating and freedom having. And the cowering few almost certainly live in the new condo building and moved there for the neighborhood’s vibrancy without realizing that vibrancy actually means people sometimes do unexpected things and stand for something rather than meekly doing yoga and buying $4 coffee and driving their Teslas to Ikea.

The crux is that protection from police is an illusion in many cases and is designed to serve and protect those who have. Police or no police, the violence would have probably happened thus there was no and would have been no protection at the time of incident. Zero. Any protection would be an illusion to make the Tesla drivers feel better. Police can lead folks to “justice” but eventual incarceration only funds the private prison system and does nothing to make anyone safer.

“Defund the police” was a horrible and alienating choice of phrasing for the idea of shifting resources from where they go now to a more diverse set of services that do more to serve where service is needed and retain protection where that’s possible. A police force wouldn’t be removed from a city. But, in locations where police spend inordinate amounts of time dealing with addicts or other mental health problems, more qualified staff could be part of a response.

#6 Dolce Vita on 06.23.20 at 3:00 pm

20/20 hindsight about what you will never know.

Look it, praise the lockdown it worked.

Spain, lowest lgG so far (60,000 strong study) at 5% says 1.85 million Cdns would be infected. Even at a mortality rate of 0.1%:

185,000 deaths averted, minimum.

That’s Abbotsford–Mission “gone, gone”.

The over reaction was FINANCIAL and NOT medical. If you think the latter well take a look at how “herd immunity” Sweden and Bolsonaro “Measly cold” Brazil are doing.

THAT worked out well now didn’t it?

CANADA:

A nation that does not want to go back to work as long as it is paid to stay home and a nation where 20% are near the brink if it were not for the largesse of Cdn Govs…and that list goes on.

The tax, unemployment, GDP consequences of that largesse:

UNFORGIVABLE.

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And not so fast on Ontario, todays Rt numbers:

https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1275414204321841152/photo/1

Means Ford’s ridiculous a la carte reopening of ON will go badly in far too many Regions. Misguided.

Some will die.

Some will prosper economically.

…there’s the rub.

#7 MF on 06.23.20 at 3:02 pm

Add to the viral mess happening down south the trillions of debt that they have taken on also.

I don’t think the tax story will be unique to Canada, or North America, if it actually happens at all.

What about UBI? Not gonna happen.

MF

#8 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 3:03 pm

Re. long hair. Every popular cultural movement pushed on us by media since the 1960s involves making men wear their hair long.
– Beatles. Mop tops.
– Hippies
– 60-70s rockers. Zepplin, Sabbath you name it
– 80s? Hair Banks natch.
– Grunge: Nirvana, Foo fighters, Chili peppers and the like
– Emo, Hipster, other trends.

What a running coincidence. The only short-hairs throughout all of this are those who work for ‘The Man’. Cops, military.
Yes men must be made to appears as women. Every decade without fail. Even this one.

(By the way many barbers never stopped…small town living has its drawbacks maybe.)

#9 Duffy on 06.23.20 at 3:04 pm

Liberal majority , those words sound like a sloth crawling up a black board.

Leslyn Lewis may be able to stop that God awful sound.

#10 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 3:04 pm

^Forgetting Man-buns…formerly only for women. This blog has covered them previously.

#11 Flop... on 06.23.20 at 3:06 pm

I’m looking at this period as an enforced savings and investing period.

No travel down south this year will make me save 5k at a minimum.

An Australian airline CEO said the other day that they don’t expect things to get back to any sign of normalcy before the 3 year mark.

That don’t count for much, when it’s pretty much a given that things are going to change due to new outbreaks.

The hospital called the other day to see if I still required the surgery that I had signed off on last year, before all this kicked off.

If no travel, then I can get it done at Xmas or Spring Break time.

It is supposed to be a filler operation to remove some hardware.

If the surgeon has some spare time, and drill in hand, I will request he tighten up the loose screw in my head on behalf of you lot…

M46BC

#12 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 3:07 pm

Don’t believe the hype. In my condo as in most of them elevator availability is always at premium.
Lately people invite more people on at a floor, or or ask if they mind. It’s just common sense.

#13 Overheardyou on 06.23.20 at 3:08 pm

One has to really wonder why we’re turning into a higher tax regime. Could be it that most Canadians are up to their necks in debt and are looking for someone to bail them out? I didn’t vote Lib either, never have, never will.

#14 FreeBird on 06.23.20 at 3:09 pm

And you thought it was just a pandemic.
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No, not sure it’s ever been. I caught on a while ago. Can only hope more will before it’s too late. At least they haven’t shut this blog down…yet.

#15 Classical Liberal Millennial on 06.23.20 at 3:10 pm

Nobody in the media (social or mainstream) seems to want to point out the hypocrisy of supporting these mass protests/gatherings. But if you have some beers with friends in your back yard, you’re a Covidiot.

#16 DaleFromCalgary on 06.23.20 at 3:13 pm

What is UBI? Enough with all these cutesy acronyms please.

#17 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 3:17 pm

“The good news? I got my hair cut last weekend.“
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But you didn’t get your beard trimmed amirite?

Must wear a mask where I normally go, so no beard trims.

WTF, does the government want me to look like a stand in for “Vikings”?

#BLM (Bearded Lives Matter)

#18 Your #1 Fan on 06.23.20 at 3:17 pm

Hey Garth Howz it goin…. so just was pressurised by the missus and sold the current semi which I held since 2016 for a 175K prof. now im just confused if I should start looking right now or in JUly – Aug . (the semi has a closing for Sept end.)

Inputs would help me save a few moolas…

#19 JacqueShellacque on 06.23.20 at 3:18 pm

“This much is clear: public health officials and governments did a great job of changing behaviours.”

Can we really say that, Garth? In an emergency, I need someone who can very quickly identify where there are asymmetries between actions that can be taken (easy, low cost) and their impact (as high as possible). The very fact that the most expensive option was chosen at the last minute in the economy being locked down suggests they waited too long then panicked. The further hemming and hawing re masks was also unbecoming “experts” – common sense says avoiding giving and receiving spittle will probably help some, yet people were told there was ‘no evidence’ masks would help. But in an emergency the opposite holds – if it’s easy, low cost, and seems like it might work, you do it then get the evidence later. Our public health officials first told us the virus was no big deal, then that masks wouldn’t really help, then told us we needed to shut down the economy. That’s not a track record that should inspire any confidence.

#20 zaylor_taylor on 06.23.20 at 3:19 pm

“Plus there will be a federal election in 2021 with a Liberal majority, followed by a UBI.”

Jagmeet

& don’t forget about that Bloc guy
(what’s his name again? He never introduced himself to the rest of Canada…)

#21 gattu on 06.23.20 at 3:22 pm

Other than eligible dividends, what is the tax advantage of domestic assets? I see T-1135 reporting of overseas assets as a compliance burden, but not a tax burden. What am I missing?

#22 Jimers on 06.23.20 at 3:28 pm

UBI – Universal Basic Income =
Everybody get $2k a month and no tax credits.

Part of the Alt-Left plan, based on MMT –
Modern Monetary Theory.

#23 Dolce Vita on 06.23.20 at 3:31 pm

Siddall retweeted 2 h ago the CMHC avg. house price forecasts for the 6 largest Cdn urban centers, 2020 to 2022:

https://twitter.com/CMHC_ca/status/1275466405190742022

All down, reads death by a thousand cuts to me.

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And that economic news gift, that keeps on giving…StatCan today:

“The number of exporting enterprises fell by 24.8% to 16,513 in April on a year-over-year basis.” (down across all census metropolitan areas)

Worst hit, the heartland:

“The smallest enterprises (those employing fewer than 50 people and with an export value ranging from $1 million to $24.9 million) were particularly affected.”

AND on Job types/Displacements over the past 4 decades…

THE GOODS
“From 1981 to 2019, median real hourly wages in full-time jobs increased by 18%, with most of the growth occurring after 2005.”

“Median real hourly wages in full-time jobs increased by roughly 11% from May 2019 to May 2020 and average real hourly wages grew by about 9%.”

THE BAD
“From 1981 to 2017—the most recent year for which data on pension plan coverage are available—the percentage of employees with a registered pension plan (RPP) fell by 8 percentage points, dropping from 45% in 1981 to 37% in 2017.”

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Obvious implications from the above for 2/3 of Cdns that in retirement will ONLY have CPP and OAS to live off of.

#24 Econ 101 on 06.23.20 at 3:31 pm

@ #1 Carlos

1) US cases most likely surged due to the protests over the last several weeks. People did some critical thinking and said, “What’s more important, a flu, or protesting against a judicial system that propagates racial injustice and false convictions based on poor eye-witness testimony or amateur police work?”

2) Popular opinion and recommendations amongst scientists and “people with biology degrees and a stack of flash cards” (i.e. medical docs) are based on actions taken during the Black Death in the 1340’s…that’s beyond laymen and its insulting to think they feel as if they’re ‘experts’ to advise on such basic principles.

3) What public health triumph? You mean the lack of mental health and physical health since people lost their jobs and can’t exercise at a gym?

4) So Canadians who pay for healthcare in the States have it backwards? You should let them know… like now!

You, my friend, need a crash course in economics and you need to see the bigger picture. We are not all Carlos’!

#25 Do we have all the facts on 06.23.20 at 3:32 pm

As the number of Canadians being tested for the a Covid 19 virus increases every day one would expect that the number of people with the a Covid 19 virus in their system would also increase.

In my humble opinion tracking the number of people with the Covid 19 virus in their system serves no real purpose other than justify continuation of preventative measures. Viruses are contagious. We get it!

Viral infections are nothing new to the world. The only thing new about Covid 19 is that the world has become obsessed with tracking it and with recording every death where the Covid 19 virus was detected as being caused by Covid 19.

Why are we ignoring the simple fact that 25,400 Canadians 65 years or older die every month of many different causes. Even after the WHO directed health authorities to record any death where the Covid 19 virus was present at the time of death as a death caused by Covid 19 the total number of deaths attributed to the Covid 19 virus in a Canada was fewer than 2,800 deaths per month.

As I have noted a number of times once the virus entered a long term care facility the majority of residents would have tested positive for the virus. The threat of death from the a Covid 19 virus for healthy Canadians under the age of 65 would have been minimal just like the majority of viral infections encountered in the past.

A world wide lockdown was not necessary to protect citizens over the age of 65 with compromised immune systems from Covid 19. All governments around the world knew who the most vulnerable Citizens were and did virtually nothing to protect their health until it was far too late. This lack of interest by our governments in the health of elderly citizens is shameful and must stop.!

Once the Covid 19 virus had spread into long term care facilities asking the general population to shelter in place may have slowed the spread of the virus within the general population but had minimal impact on the actual number of fatalities caused by the virus.

A significant majority of the deaths attributed to the Covid 19 virus in Canada were deaths that involved citizens 65 years of age or older with compromised immune systems. The primary cause of death for many of the deaths being attributed to the a Covid 19 virus was listed on the death certificates as a contributing cause and hidden from public scrutiny. Only Covid 19 deaths were highlighted every day.

For the last time (I promise) I implore some unbiased source to retain a body of actuaries to determine an accurate assessment of the impact of the Covid 19 virus on mortality rates in Canada. We deserve the truth!!

#26 Inequity on 06.23.20 at 3:32 pm

I am finding it next to impossible to teach my children the value of a dollar… mainly because they are too young to be able to get a job and haven’t had to really earn that dollar yet.

I guess that is human nature… Now you tell me that Canadians think it will improve peoples lives to perpetuate that and give everyone money that they didn’t have to do anything to get? I thought the Canadian education system would teach people how to think enough to recognize that this will end up being enabling the lazy at the expense of the rest of us who aren’t satisfied with just a basic income.

#27 Inequity on 06.23.20 at 3:33 pm

On the other hand, I haven’t even gotten a cost of living increase in the last decade…. and year after year of having to tighten my belt more as the cost of everything continues on its slow climb up has gotten pretty old. Maybe UBI is the answer…

#28 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 3:41 pm

#5 Faron
Excellent post.
Faron: 10, Sailo: 0

#29 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 3:48 pm

#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm
#147 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 1:40 pm
#143 Faron on 06.23.20 at 12:58 pm
#107 Sail away on 06.22.20 at 10:42 pm
“…protecting them?”

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Re: CHAZ/CHOP

Oh well. Moot point. The agitators had their chance and screwed it up royally. No more CHAZ, and about time.

#30 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 3:53 pm

#17 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 3:17 pm

“The good news? I got my hair cut last weekend.“

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But you didn’t get your beard trimmed amirite?

Must wear a mask where I normally go, so no beard trims.

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Trick or treating? Bank robbing? Riding drag on a cattle drive? Welding? Costume ball?

Whatever do you mean?

#31 Lee on 06.23.20 at 3:53 pm

CNN says COVID will doom us all, especially after 6,000 people gathered in Tulsa last weekend.

And I say there will likely be no UBI. It will just cost too much for a government so deep in debt. Maybe a small portion of the public will get it, such as seniors who don’t have any CPP benefits.

#32 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 3:56 pm

#7 MF on 06.23.20 at 3:02 pm

What about UBI? Not gonna happen.

MF
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I wouldn’t take that bet. Months of CERB and Trudeau’s ratings go through the roof. Canadian politicians from all parties now understand that getting elected means handing out free cash.

I’ll be in line, of course.

#33 Can't Beat'em Join'em on 06.23.20 at 4:01 pm

> Plus there will be a federal election in 2021 with a Liberal majority, followed by a UBI.

We already have a coalition government and it pushed CERB to the end of the year. We are the new generation of Canadians and we are running the economy now Garth. Your old model thinking of stocks are antiquated. Without people like us feeding into the stock market and now older generations bailing, the stock market is in for a slow death. Capitalism is dead.

The Trudeau government will provide everything the new generation needs and we won’t have to work unless we feel like it. UBI is here to stay and if we get together like a family we can have a household income of $8k/month; plus under the table money too. You can mock us and call us Trudeautards or whatever, but we don’t need to participate in your system anymore. You can cook your own food, clean your own buildings and change your own diapers.

It is sustainable because Canada can borrow as much as it wants, our leader Trudeau even said so: “Interest rates are at historic lows Garth”…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce1wK3DvOTY&t=9s

If you don’t understand the economics of record low interest rates then you don’t understand basic economics like Trudeau and his team. I would like to see the credentials of the person who thinks zhe can question the leader of Canada.

#34 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.23.20 at 4:04 pm

“A Liberal Majority and a Universal Basic Income…..” Ugh.

“Free money”
bwahahahahahahaha
You Mil surrealists are so cute……

“Prepare for the future or be run over by taxes…… ahahahahahaha.

#35 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:05 pm

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm
Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.
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Sorry dude, you’ll have to wait for us Gen X’ers to go as well. Figure 50 more years or so. Not so long when you think about it. The bonus is you Mils won’t even give a rip about change by then. Unless it involves an increase in GIS payments of course.

Better start saving now homie, your fantasy ain’t happening…

#36 MF on 06.23.20 at 4:06 pm

24 Econ 101 on 06.23.20 at 3:31 pm

Yeah I’ll go with Carlos on this one.

Please tell me how modern Dr’s and “biologists” operate similarly to how they operated in the 1340’s?

Here’s some Econ 101. If you want to see what has done the most damage to human economies throughout our million year history you’ll find disease at the top of the list. That is until a little tiny sliver of time starting around 50 years ago when things changed, thanks to those smart biologists and other academics. Witness the simultaneous expansion of the world economy that began around the same time.

Without health there is no economy.

MF

#37 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:10 pm

#30 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 3:53 pm
#17 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 3:17 pm

“The good news? I got my hair cut last weekend.“

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But you didn’t get your beard trimmed amirite?

Must wear a mask where I normally go, so no beard trims.

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Trick or treating? Bank robbing? Riding drag on a cattle drive? Welding? Costume ball?

Whatever do you mean?
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All that.

Plus orgies and beard trims.

#38 Coho on 06.23.20 at 4:15 pm

When the majority of people are afraid of things returning to “normal” because they might get sick then we can all kiss free society goodbye. This is a sad pointer to the calibre of people occupying this planet.

For those relatively healthy willing to be shut-ins and give up living in a free society for fear of getting ill despite the very small chance shows a lack of spirit within. Freedom and liberty is a God given inalienable right. This is the foundation of the American Bill of Rights.

Earthly Power has always sought to usurp the Divine by substituting Privileges for Rights which in its mind elevates it to godlike status. Maybe this is why liquor stores and Walmarts are open but not Churches. Not that people, in my opinion, need Churches to connect with God or whatever other higher power they identify with. It is understood that places of worship do give comfort to those of faith.

People that are not so easily frightened are harder to control. Add in a love for truth, goodness and liberty (which is of the Divine) and a willingness to stand up for it, makes one a target for ridicule as being a shelfish yahoo or conspiracy theorist. It’s easy to spot those trolling website forums whose job it is to counter comments of the awares.

Covid and the response to it is a tool to reshape society. The technology is in place as we’ve built our own prison. The time is right. It’s not about making a better society for humankind. It is about control.

#39 Lobster Man on 06.23.20 at 4:20 pm

Fear Not!

The Baltic Dry Index has had a huge rebound, albeit from a very low point.

Some segments of certain industries should be recovering fast.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/baltic

LM

#40 Linda on 06.23.20 at 4:23 pm

The virus has indeed been disruptive economically speaking. As for the USA vs. Canada, the results of not dealing with the outbreak are clear. The current ratio of citizens is roughly 1 Canadian per 9 Americans yet their infected/dead numbers are much more than nine times the number of infected/dead in Canada.

As for UBI, I’m against the idea, even though it would give me more income in retirement than I’d receive now. Currently the maximum CPP paid is just over $14,000 for those who qualify (very few) & OAS is roughly $7,300. So if I were about to turn 65 & qualified for maximum CPP I’d get about $21,300 combined CPP/OAS per annum before tax. Obviously if UBI were implemented at the same level as CERB – $2,000 per month – I would receive $24,000 per year at age 65. I’m just presuming a flat rate, no COLA increases situation. Given that the ‘average’ CPP paid is about $700 per month obviously a $2,000 per month UBI is quite the income boost. Only problem is, who pays for this? That money has to come from somewhere & the airy belief that UBI would be less expensive than our current mishmash of various programs is I believe nothing but wishful thinking. Even if one postulates that half the current population gets some form of benefit now, the vast majority are not receiving $2,000 per month. Even if they are on average receiving that much, bottom line is that 18.5 million Canadians getting $2,000 is still less expensive than 37 million Canadians receiving $2,000. Because, hey, UNIVERSAL basic income. Presumably that would mean every single person would receive it, regardless of age/circumstance. Or would the SJW crowd shriek that it wasn’t fair that the 1% received the money too? I’d bet they would & suddenly the UBI, isn’t.

#41 Leigh on 06.23.20 at 4:24 pm

#6 Dolce Vita on 06.23.20 at 3:00 pm

Spain, lowest lgG so far (60,000 strong study) at 5% says 1.85 million Cdns would be infected. Even at a mortality rate of 0.1%:

185,000 deaths averted, minimum.

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Based on your data, 0.1% mortality rate should give you 1,850 death not 185,000

#42 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 4:27 pm

#38 Coho on 06.23.20 at 4:15 pm

…makes one a target for ridicule as being a shelfish yahoo

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Yes! Ever since SpongeBob, I’ve always identified strongly with shellfish. Much ridicule.

#43 Much Ado about nothing on 06.23.20 at 4:27 pm

The NEW NORMAL – DESTRUCTION OF FUNCTIONING SOCIETIES FOR NOTHING

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E96A/production/_111545795_optimised-mortality_rates-nc.png

BTW the graph is from the BBC site, and after looking at it, everyone with half a brain realizes that the virus is a BIG NOTHING.

The source is Sir.Prof. Dr. David Spiegelhalter, ONS, Imperial College London. Yes, it’s the same place that predicted > 500,000 dead in UK in March…lol

And yet the Charade continues as imbecile and idiot governments everywhere don’t want to admit that they were HORRIBLY wrong in their predictions and estimates.

The rest is all BS..

Like any other utopias, UBI will fail in Canada and elsewhere, take it from someone who lived under socialism.

Canada will dissapear as a nation if it implements this.

#44 JB on 06.23.20 at 4:27 pm

#12 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 3:07 pm

Don’t believe the hype. In my condo as in most of them elevator availability is always at premium.
Lately people invite more people on at a floor, or or ask if they mind. It’s just common sense.
………………………………………………………………
Ya sure, how many wear masks?
Who gets to touch the yucky buttons?
What do you do when someone sneezes?
Second Wave is coming better get a full body condom!

#45 Inequity on 06.23.20 at 4:27 pm

I see socialists haven’t changed their tune much in the last 75 years… Their message of we will fund our new society from the rich boomers who have ruined everything and are the cause of all our problems.

…All they have done is stopped targeting a race and are now after a demographic.

#46 John Foster on 06.23.20 at 4:30 pm

Flattening the curve seems to have been confused with end the curve. I’m not sure zero cases can/should be the goal.

Do you believe that a vaccine is a lock and we can all hunker down until it arrives? Do you want to social distance ad infinitum? If not, then everyone is eventually go to get covid through transmission anyways, just like the flu (which it is not – your doctor is not afraid of the flu).

The best no-vaccine solution is probably to have it spread through the population, but with enough controls that the rate doesn’t exceed healthcare’s ability to handle it. No one should die from a lack of resources. WAY easier said than done, but shouldn’t someone from our illustrious government be trying to figure that out?

Please tell me my taxes are being used for something other than throwing money out the back of a truck. I could do that myself…

#47 Ace Goodheart on 06.23.20 at 4:30 pm

Ugh. Haircuts.

I have been seriously rocking my Tom Cochrane back up singer down past the earlobes hairdo.

“Whaaa aaaaa aaaaaaaahhhh
Good times we had
Wouldn’t worry about tomorrow
Cause tonight was all we had yeah”

Shame it’s all coming to an end.

They closed the playgrounds. My backyard (in Toronto) is bigger than many Toronto parkettes. We bought a jungle gym (with sandbox, slide, swings, a little tree house). Better than the one across the street.

They shut down the job I have worked at for 16 years. I hated it anyway. Was trying to get out (very, very hard to leave, they kept dumping new files on me and I had to stay for one more year…..). Now when they call me back, I can tell them where to go. They dumped me for three months and counting. Good luck getting me back…..

COVID – will work really well at controlling Ontario’s teachers’ unions. I predict 1/2 of Ontario’s teachers are going to be laid off in September. Ford gets the online curriculum he has wet dreams about. The powerful, protesting, militant teachers’ unions are reduced to cowering, frightened COVID-19 sidewalk avoidance crossers. The teachers are literally petrified of their students. Probably half of them will ask to be laid off rather than risk getting COVID from a student.

All in all, it’s a good time to be me.

Now if someone could just figure out how to cancel the next Climate Change summit….

#48 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:31 pm

#27 Inequity on 06.23.20 at 3:33 pm
On the other hand, I haven’t even gotten a cost of living increase in the last decade…. and year after year of having to tighten my belt more as the cost of everything continues on its slow climb up has gotten pretty old. Maybe UBI is the answer…
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UBI will be great for polygamists if living in small town Ontario.

Three wives and 9 kids will have you living like a king out here. Right now, 4 UBI’s and 9 CCB’s would equal an annual household income of 127,000.00 as long as no one works. That’s more than enough out here. You might even get by in the GTA with that much free cash understanding that 60 grand of it would be tax free CCB payments!

Is polygamy legal yet? We should get working on this ASAP.

#49 Andrewski on 06.23.20 at 4:31 pm

Today’s CMHC report portends some challenging times a head for RE:

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/housing-observer-online/2020-housing-observer/overview-summer-2020-housing-market-outlook-report

#50 The Woosh on 06.23.20 at 4:34 pm

#27 Inequity
On the other hand, I haven’t even gotten a cost of living increase in the last decade…. and year after year of having to tighten my belt more as the cost of everything continues on its slow climb up has gotten pretty old. Maybe UBI is the answer…
—————————————————

You must work for a bank. Same experience!

#51 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 4:36 pm

The only Covid19 stat that matters in the US is daily deaths….and those are consistently dropping.

Increasing cases is meaningless without context.

Some really sketchy Covid19 statistics being recorded by Hospitals (presumably to get special C19 funding).

Example….as explained in an actual Press conference!!

Rhode Island….so, you sprain your ankle, go to the ER and if you happen to be cov+ (and totally asymptomatic) and go home, you’re a “covid hospitalization”?

You do not even need to stay.

https://twitter.com/PryTo5/status/1262184346703802373?s=20

#52 robert james on 06.23.20 at 4:36 pm

In regards to BC and cov-19 , we can thank Dr. Bonnie Henry for all she has done… Here in BC we had Bonnie and the US had a brain dead simpleton con-man running the show.. The proof is in the pudding as they say… https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/world/canada/bonnie-henry-british-columbia-coronavirus.html

#53 MagnumMtl on 06.23.20 at 4:37 pm

plus there will be a federal election in 2021 with a Liberal majority

not so sure about that – I would bet that the Bloc Quebecois will do even better next federal election – even take the majority of Quebec seats and leaving a few Libs to select ridings in Montreal.

#54 We'll know we are back to normal ... on 06.23.20 at 4:39 pm

when the pipeline protests and the railway blockades blossom again. Almost seemed like shangri-la compared to this … ah the good old days.

#55 ANTI-SOCIAL DISTANCER on 06.23.20 at 4:39 pm

TURNERNATION YOU’RE A DISGUSTING CONSPIRACY NUT AND A CREEP!

STAY AT LEAST TWO METERS AWAY FROM ME!

AND YOU’RE UGLY TOO!

#56 Rico on 06.23.20 at 4:40 pm

“The key question: is this a public health triumph and are people correct to stay vigilant, or was this an example of epic overreaction and government overreach?
Beats me. You don’t know, either.”

As soon as you say “In other words, the fear and the stats don’t hunt.” you are deciding this was an epic overreaction. Please stop pretending you can sit on both sides of the fence.

Clearly we are winning relative to many other countries.
Clearly the experience of other countries show that if we hadn’t locked down we would also be pooched. The US is really just starting this death march. They won’t lock down a second time and will live with the aftermath {overloaded hospitals, many excess deaths}.

#57 Linda on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm

Further to my earlier comment regarding UBI. As per Google, the federal budget is roughly $277 billion. A deficit is when we spend more than the budget & obviously Canada is running one whopping deficit. So if 37 million Canadians each received $2,000 UBI per month, that would be $74 BILLION per month or $888 BILLION per year. Yet our budget to provide all services from the federal level was only $277 billion (2019 figures, rounded UP). Can anyone see the itty bitty, teeny weeny issue if we implemented UBI? Anyone?

#58 Oracle of Ottawa on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm

In hindsight it looks like we did the right thing by opening up slowly. The issue is health, so we should listen to the epidemiologists and health experts and not the economists. Likewise, if the issue is the economy…well you get my point.

#59 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm

The shutting down of supply of airlines, hotels – and expect prices to rise with all the government-mandated (I didn’t say health mandated) restrictions to Demand.
(Kommunist Quotas.)

This comment from way back in March on another forum nailed it:
(The global marketing campaign which at once was rolled out, told us to “#stayhome yes??)

“We’re in an experiment. We’re now getting a glimpse of what a high tech, low carbon, limited mobility civilization looks like. The technocrats must be loving this – they’re going to have so much data to analyze after the experiment is over. Other major interest groups will use this experiment to further their agendas “

#60 Westcdn on 06.23.20 at 4:46 pm

I do yearn for smaller government. I do admit some things like health care for the masses or security or laws are best served by “government”. The last thing I want to see are a private funded national army and police.

I wont vote for a nanny. Choices after that are pretty slim unless you have special interests dear to your heart. I do believe in a social contract where I give up some of my desires to a common good. My goodwill ends quickly when it is being exploited.

I have never asked for pets – they get fostered on me. My late sister knew nothing about the consequences of bringing strays home. I came home one day and there was a horse tied to the porch -someone forgot to close the gate at a nearby ranch.

One thing about being in steerage is a reminder where you are on the totem pole. It is not easy to move up without help therefore down is more likely. I made choices and will not deny the consequences – some have been really good that make me wonder…

#61 Emo on 06.23.20 at 4:46 pm

Open the floodgates of Boeings and Bombardiers. You will see the COVID-19 rates skyrocket (and also the Toronto rents too).

#62 Dawn Standfield on 06.23.20 at 4:48 pm

UBI is basically nothing new. It is communism or socialism. Just like they want to call themselves progressives is another world for socialist or communist, marxist etc.

People better study this stuff and stop being dumbed down.

#63 Franco on 06.23.20 at 4:52 pm

No country for old men.

#64 Coho on 06.23.20 at 4:53 pm

Sail away,

Thanks for pointing out the spelling error. A small minded indeed, but considering how thin you spread yourself over a dozen or more posts daily, I do not expect much else.

#65 Penny Henny on 06.23.20 at 4:55 pm

#6 Dolce Vita on 06.23.20 at 3:00 pm
20/20 hindsight about what you will never know.

Look it, praise the lockdown it worked.

Spain, lowest lgG so far (60,000 strong study) at 5% says 1.85 million Cdns would be infected. Even at a mortality rate of 0.1%:

185,000 deaths averted, minimum.
////////////////

Ummmm

1,850,000 Canadians x .1% = 1850

maybe this will make it clearer

.1% numerically is .001

so
1,850,000 x .001= 1850 lives

#66 ain't life rand on 06.23.20 at 4:59 pm

@#38 Coho on 06.23.20 at 4:15 pm
When the majority of people are afraid of things returning to “normal” because they might get sick then we can all kiss free society goodbye. This is a sad pointer to the calibre of people occupying this planet.

————-

Yup, remember the war on terror?
now we jump through a million hoops just to get on and off a plane when all they had to do was start locking the damn cockpit door.

#67 Steven Nicolle on 06.23.20 at 5:00 pm

I know some provinces are doing real well but we haven’t really opened up full like others. We will see what happens. We still haven’t seen a real spread yet. Now as we open the fun begins.

#68 GrumpyAuldScott on 06.23.20 at 5:00 pm

The problem I see with all these stats we keep reading is that they lack perspective. When you read of hundreds of thousands of sick and thousands of deaths you visualize mountains of bodies and apocalyptic hospital scenarios. This is being done to re-enforce the current policies which cannot and will not last.
According to the WHO numbers as of this morning (please check these and do the math yourself) 0.1 % of the worlds population was known to be infected and the mortality rate globally is 5%, among know infections. So, in the initial wave of infection, which we were less prepared for and claimed the most vulnerable first, globally we are experiencing a 0.02% net morbidity. If you assume under reporting of infections then the morbidity goes down. These numbers don’t work in the “if it bleeds it leads” media and make it harder for governments to convince us to shelter in place; which is the current idea.

Bottom line: you probably won’t get COVID and if you do you will probably not die from it. This will pass and we will revert to mean, which, in this case, means we will all be poorer.
Wear a mask to avoid those embarrassing confrontations with irrational, scared strangers and don’t be overly impressed when Justin claims Christlike status in the run up to the next election for having saved us all from COVID.
Oh yeah, don’t you wish you gave up smoking and lost a few pounds back when you had the chance?

#69 Marco on 06.23.20 at 5:08 pm

#57 Linda on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm
So if 37 million Canadians each received $2,000 UBI per month;;;;;;”’

Newborn babies included?

#70 Pete from St. Cesaire on 06.23.20 at 5:11 pm

Garth, you should know that all polls are simply a tool for the manipulation of the masses. There is no way that the majority of people want to maintain the distancing rules. The 2-meter rule, above all else, will spell the destruction of the country.

#71 I’m stupid on 06.23.20 at 5:13 pm

Garth you know better than most how quickly the political landscape can change. While it may look like the libs may get a majority next election I wonder how many votes they’ll bleed once the payment holidays are over. I know one thing for certain… if you buy votes (as the libs have done) as soon as the cheque’s stop coming so will the votes.

I can’t believe I’m witnessing the financial destruction of Canada. What a shame.

#72 Sail Away on 06.23.20 at 5:14 pm

#64 Coho on 06.23.20 at 4:53 pm

Sail away,

Thanks for pointing out the spelling error.

—————

You are welcome, Oncorhynchus kisutch. All fauna are dear to me.

#73 the Jaguar on 06.23.20 at 5:14 pm

Dorothy has taken a beautiful photo of the spirit dog Bandit in front of what appears to be an Azalea bush. He is well brushed and posed, with an expression that says ” I’ll do whatever you want me to as long as I can be with you and get a treat afterward’.

A bit of a swindle is being played out on the Canadian public where Covid is concerned as far as I can figure. The provincial reporting is all over the map. Inconsistent province to province and we don’t log data that other highly developed countries like UK & USA record. For example, BC has reported 2822 cases, but has only tested 180,473 versus Alberta with tests of 396,300 and 7736 cases. It’s a no brainer that the more you test, the more cases you turn up, and ‘who knew’ that Alberta supplies almost all of the ‘beef’ in this country from plants where most of southern Alberta cases originated. BC has 169 deaths versus 153 in Alberta, so despite our obsession with testing our overall death number is lower than theirs. Since the Canadian Armed Forces have repacked their parachutes and left the senior care homes to return to their bases it appears the health authorities consider that risk under control.

At the end of the day I feel comfortable with a few things. Yes, it’s highly contagious, but those who suffer complications including death almost all have underlying health conditions ( diabetes, hypertension, cardiac and other issues ). There is also mounting evidence that certain other factors may play a significant role in those who get sick, such as low levels of Vitamin D. Having type ‘O’ blood appears to be a factor in one’s favour. Does it make sense to lock down an entire country when most of the deaths have occured in areas of the country with high density, etc. The hypocrisy of turning a blind eye to mass ‘demonstrations’ and young people converging on parks is beyond annoying.

Jaguars cannot be caged up for too long or they start playing ” My Life” by Shirley Bassey at three o’clock in the morning and wake up the neigbours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUbzOMx2KuY

If 66% of people want to stay inside with the drapes drawn I have no objection. But this is my life and I want to start living it again. I also want to support business and companies like WestJet. I am not prepared to sit by and see them go down. I trust them to take the necessary precautions for their and my fellow passengers safety and protection. Time to pull out of this self induced economic nose dive. “Captain Ross, will we be boarding shortly? I am ready to roll”.

#74 Faron on 06.23.20 at 5:15 pm

#51 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 4:36 pm

…(presumably to get special C19 funding)…

This has long since been debunked.

Regardless, if the scientifically ignorant, uncompassionate, and greedy right wasn’t opposed to socialized medicine and hadn’t wasted so much legislative time the past 10 years undoing as much of Obama Care as possible, the point would be moot. You can’t root for a system (for-profit, privatized health care) and then decry it if it behaves exactly how you should expect it to (private insurance companies beholden to shareholders trying to code as many procedures as possible as expensively as possible to maximize profit). You have zero grounds there Deplorable.

Regarding the INFLAMMATORY PRESS BRIEFING OMG!!!

Listen to her calm and clearly spoken words… She’s saying they (hospitals in the smallest US state) test people who are in the hospital out of convenience so we all have a more accurate picture of infection in the country so public health officials can respond (or not) with good data in hand. Meanwhile, Trump wants to slow down testing because it makes him look bad bigly.

You are right, N mortality will tell the tale. Cases spiking in past week, deaths should start to grow in the coming week. Watch that space.

As I’ve said before, the upside is that everyone knows more about COVID and how to treat it. We will soon see if hospitalized people survive in greater numbers because of that knowledge. That will be a win anyone can celebrate I should think.

#75 GrumpyPanda on 06.23.20 at 5:18 pm

About 1 p.m. Ontario govt released new math and financial literacy after two years of consultation with teachers. Four hours later the media reports the NDP and left are voicing opposition. I’m surprised it took that long.

#76 binky barnes on 06.23.20 at 5:22 pm

So 0.33% of Canadians have contracted covid thus far, but 51% of Canadians fear they will get covid. That says it all.

BB

#77 Attrition on 06.23.20 at 5:22 pm

I was just remembering some of my older posts, from way, way back, when I used to sound like a broken record with my pithy, repetitive warnings about the march of the Marxists in Greater Canuckistan.

How quaint.

Why, I’d go on and on about the infestation of Marxist thought at universities, virtually all government ministries, teachers unions, nurses unions, curricula (new math, anyone?) and on and on.

Gosh, was I out of touch.

I even wrote a couple articles for the Probe & Flail about how the assaults on freedom of opinion and association in Canada amounted to a purge, if not a pogrom.

They didn’t get published. No surprise.

And so, as the statues come down one by one and as everyone forgets how we got here, new generations will be born into this, know nothing different, and have to learn the same hard lessons all over again.

Boy, will it be ugly. And bloody.
I guess that’s how it’s supposed to be.

In light of this, Canada is but a pimple–what happens here matters nowhere, not even here. Just keep falling those trees, hewing that lumber…stuff like this is for great powers to decide.

Now if I could only think of two great powers diametrically and ideologically opposed–communist and capitalist–that are poised to decide for the rest of us once and for all.

It would make me long for the words of great men:

1. “Know your enemy” – Sun Tzu
2. “Know thyself” – The Seven Sages
3. “Pick a damn side” – Attrition

#78 Flop... on 06.23.20 at 5:22 pm

Faron, you sound like a candidate for this message.

Since the start of this pandemic, I have been watching less of Global News and more of KTLA in Los Angeles and King 5 in Seattle.

I thought KTLA did a good job through the riots of not being too political and just let the guy in the chopper fly around and give colour commentary as to what he was seeing.

Couple of nights, best car chase I have seen down that way since O.J Simpson.

In Seattle, King 5 has been giving good updates on the CHOP SHOP zone.

I have found one benefit of all the reporters wearing face masks, is that it is easier to ignore them because you can’t see their lips, and take a look over there shoulder as to what was going on for yourself.

Some of my viewing corroborated some of what you said in post number 5

Are you allowed to say colour commentary anymore…

M46BC

#79 Cuba on 06.23.20 at 5:24 pm

UBI=$20 per liter of gas or loaf of bread

#80 The West on 06.23.20 at 5:25 pm

Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

____________________________________________

We’d better hurry up. With the mess the English Establishment in Canada has already made, our new Han overlords are already at the gate. To say they failed us is an understatement.

#81 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 5:29 pm

Bonnie Henry.
She speaks softly and carries a big stick.
Would get my vote for person of the year.
She reminds me of Merkel, another leader who makes her decisions based on science.
I’m glad that Prime Minister Trudeau is not an economist.
We had enough of that with Harper.
And don’t tell me that Economics is a science.

#82 Econ 101 on 06.23.20 at 5:30 pm

@ #36 MF

Social distancing, masks, and quarantine were all practiced during the pandemic of 1347.

What advances in healthcare would you have without free market capitalism? Further to that, this isn’t a chicken-egg scenario; we had an economy before all/most advances in medicine.

The expansion of the economy was not due to healthcare, it simply rode the coat tails of the industrial revolution and the growing acceptance of Keynesian economics amongst developing (now developed) countries.

#83 Andrew_To on 06.23.20 at 5:30 pm

We aren’t going to come out of this… even if the stats improve and the government says we are out of it. This seems like this is going to take 5-7 years. This is a major transition. And a virus doesn’t create the what is the worst economy I’ve seen in my lifetime!

#84 Pete from St. Cesaire on 06.23.20 at 5:32 pm

The monetary system was already dead. In August 2018 it was discovered that US banks started refusing to deal with one another under the Interbank Overnight Repurchase System unless they were willing to pay each other a 500% premium on their usual fees. The FED was forced to step in and pony up $105 BILLION per night. By March 2020 the FED was ponying up $250 BILLION per night. Remember, this is just what was happening in the USA; the rest of the world was in the same quagmire. The fake pandemic was to hide the truth. They could blame the shutdown of business on the virus instead of actually having the businesses collapse. It was brilliant. They managed to keep food on everyone’s table, most people being none the wiser that they were on the brink of total collapse. Now they’ve grabbed emergency control of the printing presses; especially in the US where the FED has been commandeered by the Treasury. They’ll print money to keep the economy afloat while insisting that all exports are paid for in Gold. Building the gold reserves until they have enough to transition to a gold-backed currency (for a while). Canada will print money to infinity too, until they’re Zimbabwe, then they will likely have no choice but to join the USA. The citizens will demand it just to get some relief from the crushing poverty and debt load. All part of the damned North American Union plan that’s been in the works for decades. I’m just hoping that Quebec will be allowed to separate first. I think we might, many North American elites have been building homes here over the last 25 years. I think that they might be planning to turn Quebec into the Switzerland of North America.

#85 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 5:33 pm

#57 Linda on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm
Further to my earlier comment regarding UBI. As per Google, the federal budget is roughly $277 billion. A deficit is when we spend more than the budget & obviously Canada is running one whopping deficit. So if 37 million Canadians each received $2,000 UBI per month, that would be $74 BILLION per month or $888 BILLION per year. Yet our budget to provide all services from the federal level was only $277 billion (2019 figures, rounded UP). Can anyone see the itty bitty, teeny weeny issue if we implemented UBI? Anyone?
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Just trying to keep it real here…

Not everyone would go on UBI, living on that amount would suck. UBI pilot in Ontario was 1400.00 month, about double Ontario Works, so increase is under 700.00 because OW would get axed (better) if UBI came along. Also the entire OW bureaucracy damn well better get axed too if UBI came along. Should axe ODSP as well. Get a computer to run the whole thing like cerb.

If they do it right, UBI could save the taxpayer. Admittedly, the chances of it being done right are basically zero…

#86 conan on 06.23.20 at 5:35 pm

I think it is going to be a big Liberal majority myself. The Cons will pick their new leader soon, and then probably split into two parties soon thereafter. There is a reason that no progressives ran for the leadership. They all want off the Angry Party train. It is political nowhereville.

#87 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 5:42 pm

$74 Faron…”This has long since been debunked.”

Nope…..

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200428/coronavirus-fact-check-hospitals-get-paid-more-if-patients-listed-as-covid-19-on-ventilators

“so we all have a more accurate picture of infection in the country so public health officials can respond (or not) with good data in hand”

Do I really have to point out that someone making a short trip to ER for a sprained ankle and who tests positive for C19 should NOT count as a hospitalisation?

#88 Stone on 06.23.20 at 5:43 pm

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm
Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

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The old ways? Those same boomers have taught their gen-x and millennial offspring all their tricks. That means those same offspring will apply those methods on all the other naive gen-x and millennials out there and reap big profits off their backs. You know, more of the same. Might look and smell like a gen-x or a millennial but it’s really a boomer.

Oh well. You are consistent but there is no A for effort, only for success. You get an F instead.

#89 Penny Henny on 06.23.20 at 5:46 pm

#65 Penny Henny on 06.23.20 at 4:55 pm
#6 Dolce Vita on 06.23.20 at 3:00 pm
20/20 hindsight about what you will never know.

Look it, praise the lockdown it worked.

Spain, lowest lgG so far (60,000 strong study) at 5% says 1.85 million Cdns would be infected. Even at a mortality rate of 0.1%:

185,000 deaths averted, minimum.
////////////////

Ummmm

1,850,000 Canadians x .1% = 1850

maybe this will make it clearer

.1% numerically is .001

so
1,850,000 x .001= 1850 lives
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BTW Dolce, what did you teach in school?

Let me guess. Drama?
Certainly wasn’t math.

#90 Bezengy on 06.23.20 at 5:48 pm

I think a bill should be sent to every taxpayer in Canada to cover this year’s 300 b shortfall. Make it low interest, payable whenever or upon death. That would be behaviour changing.

#91 Phylis on 06.23.20 at 5:54 pm

How equal can UBI be? Single mother of three? Tractor man poly plan? Equitable to all stakeholders?
Sunshine person, do you have any thought on this?

#92 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 5:59 pm

#81 Ponzius Pilatus….”Bonnie Henry.
She speaks softly and carries a big stick.
Would get my vote for person of the year.”

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She’s a bloody hypocrite….

As are all the public officials who did nothing to stop or condemn the recent mass protests.

300,000 people lost their jobs in BC to ‘flatten the curve’, and businesses were under threat of losing their business licenses or being fined if they tried to operate against her legal mandate.

But yet she was merely ‘disappointed’ at the protesters.

Funny how all these Doctors/public officials were ‘following the science’….until it was politically inconvenient to do so.

Cowards…..all of them.

#93 Dave on 06.23.20 at 5:59 pm

I live close to Brampton, Ontario. Each day, on average this city of around 650,000 people have 30 new cases of Covid 19. Peel Region where Brampton is located in is moving to Stage 2 by Friday. I think this is a big mistake because Brampton will become the new Canadian Covid hotspot.
This website, when checked daily is a real eye opener for me… peelregion.ca/coronavirus/case-status/

#94 cramar on 06.23.20 at 6:00 pm

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm

Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

————

REALLY! Well this boomer says you got a lot to learn about human nature grasshopper! If you could be transported back in history to most any time, you would probably say the same thing about the geezer generation back then. Nothing changes, because human nature does not change. By the time you are older, zoomers and their children will likely blame you for all the world’s ills.

Come to think of it, you being born a hundred years ago would be perfect. You would be a ‘Millennial Realist’ in the 1920s and blaming all those older folks for plunging the world in a world war—over what!? Now that we have come of age, things are picking up in the roaring’ 20s. Change is here! Be part of the change grandpa or get run over by my Model-T.

#95 Flop... on 06.23.20 at 6:06 pm

Hey Trackie, do you remember they other day how the former U.K politician wanted Coco Pops banned because it had a monkey on its box?

Well, I guess it was enough to get one of my favourite candies banned that I used to enjoy as a kid in Australia.

We can still get our racist cheese called Coon, but Redskin lollies have met their maker.

Goodbye old friend, and thanks for getting rid of my first set of teeth so effortlessly.

I reached out to the Mayor of White Settlement, a city near Fort Worth, Texas, but Mr White ( check, I’m not making this stuff up!), was too busy to comment…

M46BC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Settlement,_Texas

P.S, thanks Crowdie, for all your support the last 5 or 6 years.

#96 theoryAndPractice on 06.23.20 at 6:06 pm

Good points Garth, but I do not think they are that dumb not calculating the consequences.

Then it begs the question :
Why they have done what they have done?

#97 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:09 pm

#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

Have you been to the CHOP? Yeah, me neither. But, you have this idea that lots of people live there and have businesses there, right? I kinda did too.

————

Well, reporter Andy Ngo has been there, and here’s this article from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/06/23/residents-of-seattles-chop-district-are-being-denied-their-constitutional-rights/#4b738337764f

But, heck, it’s just constitutional rights, right?

And if there aren’t that many residents, it’s not that big a deal to deprive them of those unimportant things.

Maybe you can help me with that- what is the number of people needed for constitutional rights to be relevant?

#98 JohnAB on 06.23.20 at 6:12 pm

Cheap loans coupled with financial illiteracy and house lust will, sadly, set up more people as victims in the next economic bust

Excuse moi, but how did this “economic bust” affect the people with houses so far? I don’t see a change in house prices at all. There might be some that won’t be able to pay for their houses, some others will have to sell quick but that’s all. House lust didn’t bring the real estate to its knees so far and I just don’t see it happening in the near future as well. The realtors won’t have to even sell their Audis. All good, the show goes on.

#99 akashic record on 06.23.20 at 6:17 pm

I may take a week of vacation in the office during the summer, then I go back to work at home.

#100 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 6:20 pm

#44 JB it’s really simple. Do not touch your face until you’re washed your hands. Common sense taught.
You must have skippped that day in Kindergarten.

A tiny minority of people in the building mask themselves.
But not the security, maintenance or managers.
It’s a condo not a hospital. Covidiots like yourself need to turn off your Teevee.

#101 Ballingsford on 06.23.20 at 6:20 pm

Get the millenials off the couch, find a spouse, and go forth and procreate and have lots of kids so they and their kids can help pay down Canada’s debt.

#102 Faron on 06.23.20 at 6:20 pm

#78 Flop… on 06.23.20 at 5:22 pm

Are you allowed to say colour commentary anymore…

I’ll check with the social justice minions, stand by.

Yeah, looks like it’s okay as long as ancestral lands are acknowledged and pronouns are correctly applied. And the foam on the mic should be a medium brown color. Oh, the helicopter should be burning high octance hemp seed oil. It’s complicated. I’ll get back to you.

#103 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:21 pm

#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

“…there are probably as many or more local voices in support than there are of cowering citizenry afraid of the rampant arting and demonstrating and freedom having.

[and crime]

And the cowering few almost certainly live in the new condo building and moved there for the neighborhood’s vibrancy without realizing that vibrancy actually means people sometimes do unexpected things and stand for something rather than meekly doing yoga and buying $4 coffee and driving their Teslas to Ikea.”

[and being subject to criminal activity with no recourse]

—————

Yes, Faron, you’re really onto something here. Those whining residents. What’s a little rape and assault, arson and homicide? Hey, vibrancy comes with risks, right?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-man-living-in-chop-sounds-alarms-over-safety-were-sitting-ducks-in-here

#104 Cici on 06.23.20 at 6:23 pm

#16 Dale from Calgary

UBI = Universal Basic Income

#105 jess on 06.23.20 at 6:24 pm

The key question: is this a public health triumph and are people correct to stay vigilant, or was this an example of epic overreaction and government overreach?

depends who talking and who one would listen to.
i certainly would listen to kudlow!
or
World-renowned infectious disease expert Dr. Gabriel Leung was among the first to predict the scale of the COVID-19 pandemic in January and he says the worst is far from over.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1754026563683

White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Monday minimized new spikes in coronavirus cases in states across the country and said there is “no second wave coming.”
“There are some hot spots. We’re on it. We know how to deal with this stuff now, we’ve come a long way since last winter and there is no second wave coming,” Kudlow said in an appearance on CNBC.

now he’s sorry is too soon and too late ?
Novak Djokovic—Who Is Opposed To A Coronavirus Vaccine

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/23/tennis-no-1-novak-djokovic-who-is-opposed-to-a-coronavirus-vaccine-tests-positive-for-virus-after-widely-criticized-exhibition-tournament/#5f25aa035a5c
After Virus Tests, Djokovic Is Criticized for Holding Exhibition …
http://www.nytimes.com › Sports › Tennis
23 hours ago – They have not only played tennis in front of big crowds on the Adria Tour. … said he and his wife, Jelena, both tested positive for the virus.

#106 Reality is stark on 06.23.20 at 6:25 pm

As our retailers go bankrupt and American auto companies close expensive Canadian operations we are left with natural resource extraction.
The Chinese are decimating our manufacturing sector (a lot of it through constructive dumping and stealing intellectual property) so we are left with minimum wage distribution jobs.
We need to build better mousetraps here.
But this is not what our schools are producing. We churn out victims.
When a foreign woman comes to this country the first thing she is taught are what her rights are in family court.
Canadians are hyper vigilant about who owes them what.
Wealth is accumulated through the family court or various social agencies subsidized by cash work on the side including work on your personal residence while on EI or CERB.
High achievers want government positions. How is that a recipe for prosperity? They are disillusioned with the private sector because bosses are mean and require excessive determination.
This country cannot excel. The people here are convinced that taxing the “rich” is our key to success with very little personal effort from themselves.
Good luck getting someone to sign a marriage contract with that attitude.

#107 Long-Time Lurker on 06.23.20 at 6:28 pm

Steerage Section,
Headline News today:

Reports of Wuhan-400 weakening. Reports of Wuhan-400 strengthening.

The U.S.A is going bi-polar: the polar opposites of left-wing & right-wing.

Small outbreaks of WH400 in South Korea and Germany. Control the second wave.

North Korea is looking dangerous. Big brother is gone? Scared sister in shark tank?

Firework battles in NYC. Refund the police/Escape from New York.

Maple: the lesser of all evils. Sunny ways minority caucus.

#108 Stone on 06.23.20 at 6:30 pm

#70 Pete from St. Cesaire on 06.23.20 at 5:11 pm
Garth, you should know that all polls are simply a tool for the manipulation of the masses. There is no way that the majority of people want to maintain the distancing rules. The 2-meter rule, above all else, will spell the destruction of the country.

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Said one person who doesn’t think like the majority and has not provided any verifiable facts to back up what they say.

#109 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:36 pm

#103 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:21 pm
#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

Yes, Faron, you’re really onto something here. Those whining residents. What’s a little rape and assault, arson and homicide? Hey, vibrancy comes with risks, right?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-man-living-in-chop-sounds-alarms-over-safety-were-sitting-ducks-in-here

—————-

But, since you’re going to disparage the Fox article, here’s a direct quote from the police chief, as reported by ABC:

‘Besides shootings, the police chief said there have also been reports of rape, assault, burglary, arson and property destruction.

“I have the police reports right here,” Best said, holding up papers. “We cannot walk away from the truth of what is happening there.”‘

#110 Brett in Calgary on 06.23.20 at 6:37 pm

Time to get on with life, and if there is a second wave then so be it … we will deal with it then. I play bball with a collection of docs in Calgary (we’ve been shutdown since March and just started up again). One is an ICU doc, in other words, he sees everyone at their sickest. No doubt personality, age and experience play a role in one’s interpretation of COVID’s severity, but the ICU doc saw 3 patients with the disease since March. He’s ready to move on. Meanwhile a cancer doc commented that by the numbers we have now missed 500 aggressive breast cancers in the province (because screening was stopped) since this started. So… 150 deaths from COVID… possibly 500 on the horizon in the form of otherwise healthy, young women. Hmm. What should we do?

#111 K on 06.23.20 at 6:38 pm

Hey #4 Millennial Realist and # 33 Can’t Beat ’em . You two are hopeless economic romantic Socialists. As Margaret Thatcher once said . “Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other people’s money” Or Churchill ” If you don’t have some leaning toward Socialism in your youth you have no heart. If you still hold Socialism dear when you are older you have no brain ” Money just falls from that red Socialist sky . Read Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm .

#112 Reximus on 06.23.20 at 6:39 pm

#57 Linda on 06.23.20 at 4:45 pm

seriously? you think every citizen should be included in your ‘math’?

#113 BobC on 06.23.20 at 6:43 pm

You didn’t mention it but I’m sure you know the COVID-19 has been politicized in the U.S.. The blue states has the most infected and the most deaths. Now I’m reading Arizona cases are going up ever since Trump wants to go there. But notice the deaths are not going up anywhere.
The real problem is people don’t know and cannot find the truth about anything.
Maybe when the country is gutted it can get back to some kind of normal.
Also notice all the riots, all the destruction, all the shooting and killing is in cities and states long controlled by the democrats. I only mention this so when citizens of other countries read about the U.S. they will realize it’s not everywhere. Trump is draining the corrupt swamp and the left isn’t pulling any punches.

#114 Jack Xavier on 06.23.20 at 6:48 pm

Cuba, I could not say it better myself. Cuba the country is a perfect example of the failed state under Fidel Castro.

Oh by the way, did you know Fidel Castro is worth $1.6 billion when he died. They are not equal as they say they are cuban socialists. It is a just BS. They are fooling the young, naive and other brainwashed people that don’t want to know the truth and believe in a Utopia that never exists.

#115 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 6:52 pm

#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

But, in locations where police spend inordinate amounts of time dealing with addicts or other mental health problems, more qualified staff could be part of a response.
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Well, you’ve stumbled onto a topic I know a few things about…

A solid chunk of addict and mental health suffering folks activities’ involve violence. This includes assaulting and killing family members, hospital staff, co-workers, and random unfortunate folks. Often Women. Very often Women.

In fact, when “more qualified staff” members go to interact with certain clientele, it is mandated policy that they are escorted by an LEO. Some visitations to said suffering demographic by family members even require supervision by multiple burly males due to the potential for violence.

It doesn’t matter what percentage of said sufferers might be violent, or have been violent in the past. It’s policy. A+B = C, cop required.

IMHO, defunding the Police just means the same amount of cops, doing the same job they’ve always done, just more of other social type workers heaped on top of the already ginormous pile we already have.

#116 Karma on 06.23.20 at 6:53 pm

4 Millennial Realist

We were just like you once. Then our focus moved upwards about 3 feet from the nether section below our belts. It’s happening to your generation too. You’ll be burning as much fossil fuel as we did.

#117 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.23.20 at 7:06 pm

@#95 Floppie

5 or 6 years?
Seems like 2 years……
It could be the bottle in front of me or the frontal lobotamy ……. either way….no worries.

#118 Jimers on 06.23.20 at 7:08 pm

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#119 Bill D on 06.23.20 at 7:12 pm

My retired neighbours were teachers who do occasional supply teaching.
Please tell me they don’t qualify for CERB on top of their pensions. And surely not all summer when school’s out anyway.

#120 Pension expert on 06.23.20 at 7:13 pm

#40

UBI would be based on income– if you make less than a certain amount(based on tax return) they would bump it up.Rich or anyone over $17k in income won’t get a dime.The UBI what I am hearing will be $17,000 year.If you made 15k they would just add 2k,10k they would add 7k

#121 yorkville renter on 06.23.20 at 7:16 pm

#87 – do people with sprained ankles go into ventilators? because it said the patient must be CV19 positive and be hooked up to a ventilator.

that’s kind of a big difference versus what you said

#122 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:23 pm

Sailo,
Getting desperate?
Quoting Andy NGO, a well known right wing agitator.
And FOX news.
Andy NGO was banned from speaking at UBC.
Your son did not tell you?

#123 Faron on 06.23.20 at 7:29 pm

#103 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:21 pm

Aw, didn’t like Ponzie’s score keeping? I give you equal points for starting an interesting discussion. Ponzie’s a harsh judge.

First of all, I’m not condoning any violence. I’m pointing out that it could and would have happened anywhere. CHOP or no CHOP cops or no cops. Your news sources like to hone in on this because they oppose CHOP, not because they care about reporting crime full stop.

Your FoxNews, Fair and Balanced reporter managed to find one person who thinks they saw a crime but probably just saw a brown person grabbing their own bike. And, who calls 911 for a bike theft anyway? And they found one business owner who claims there was an issue a block and a half out of CHAZ. Pretty thin reporting. I’m guessing the poor reporter had to throw away lots of notes from interviews with enthusiastic residents and supporters.

Send something substantive and I’ll change my mind, but the right only does drive-by reporting, so I’m sure substantive will never materialize.

And, ah yes, the ol’ trope of scaring people into their own oppression with rape stories. Don’t do such and such, you (or your tender, young, innocent — white — daughters) will get raped. That one helped marginalize black men for a good 140 years and counting. That one tells women to “stop dressing like such a slut” and “she pretty much was asking to be raped” and “she deserved it”. Good thing big tough police mans are there to protect the fragile ladies:

https://www.bwjp.org/assets/documents/pdfs/webinars/dhhs-police-sexual-misconduct-a-national-scale-study.pdf

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249850.pdf

“…victims of sex-related police crime are typically younger than
18 years of age”

Gosh, almost sounds like we should defund the police a little bit. Maybe spend those dollars on a real sexual assault response? The majority of rape isn’t reported to the police because most women know it is pointless to do so and will ultimately be demeaning to them. That’s not right. And, again, would happen police or no police.

#124 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:33 pm

#87 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 5:42 pm
$74 Faron…”This has long since been debunked.”

Nope…..

“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.”

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200428/coronavirus-fact-check-hospitals-get-paid-more-if-patients-listed-as-covid-19-on-ventilators

“so we all have a more accurate picture of infection in the country so public health officials can respond (or not) with good data in hand”

Do I really have to point out that someone making a short trip to ER for a sprained ankle and who tests positive for C19 should NOT count as a hospitalisation?
————————-
To recap:
What you are saying is that when someone with a sprained ankle goes to emergency in Florida, they will put him into ICU and on a ventilator, so they get paid more.
Now I understand why health care is so expensive in the States.
Thank you for explaining how private healthcare works.

#125 Todd Baylis on 06.23.20 at 7:43 pm

Is Canada a sanctuary for war criminals?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/bill-horace-homicide-1.5622724

#126 Bytor the Snow Dog on 06.23.20 at 7:43 pm

Well, it took 15 FBI Agents to find out (what a waste of resources) that what Bubba Wallace saw in his NASCAR garage this weekend at Talledega was the garage door pulldown rope tied in a loop.

Yup. Fake noose.

#127 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 7:47 pm

#124 Ponzius Pilatus..“ To recap:
What you are saying is that when someone with a sprained ankle goes to emergency in Florida, they will put him into ICU and on a ventilator, so they get paid more.”

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Reading not your strong point?

I was perfectly clear. In at least one state any visit to ER for what ever reason, however short…will count as a ‘Covod19 hospitalisation’ if you test positive for C19.

Hospitilisation is generally taken to mean having needed a bed and at least an overnight stay…not a couple of hours in ER.

Cooking the books….

#128 KNOW IT ALL on 06.23.20 at 7:47 pm

AND I’M JUST GOING TO GO FOR THE RIDE!!!!!

#129 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:48 pm

#113 Faron
“Harsh judge”.
I take this as a badge of honour as the Prez would say.
Growing up in postwar Germany, to liberal parents,
I have no time for right or left wing demagogues and their followers.

#130 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 7:54 pm

#103 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:21 pm
#5 Faron on 06.23.20 at 2:57 pm

“…there are probably as many or more local voices in support than there are of cowering citizenry afraid of the rampant arting and demonstrating and freedom having.

[and crime]

And the cowering few almost certainly live in the new condo building and moved there for the neighborhood’s vibrancy without realizing that vibrancy actually means people sometimes do unexpected things and stand for something rather than meekly doing yoga and buying $4 coffee and driving their Teslas to Ikea.”

[and being subject to criminal activity with no recourse]

—————

Yes, Faron, you’re really onto something here. Those whining residents. What’s a little rape and assault, arson and homicide? Hey, vibrancy comes with risks, right?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-man-living-in-chop-sounds-alarms-over-safety-were-sitting-ducks-in-here

Seattle has been on a slide for a long time. I watched a good documentary on the problem a while back. Homeless drug addicts took over, and the bleeding hearts at city hall didn’t want to deal with them.

Several junkies were interviewed and indicated they moved to Seattle explicitly because they had heard they could live their “lifestyle” virtually consequence free. A few cops were interviewed as well, and their lack of action was a directive right from the brain dead mayor running this apparently soon to be shithole city.

Seattle has been on a Population / tech boom for a long time, but the negatives are really starting to pile up. They are another big metro that has just recently joined the ranks of big cities losing more of its domestic population than it gains, and is becoming increasingly reliant on international immigration for population growth.

International net migration into Seattle has outstripped domestic net migration since 2011, and 2018 actually saw 100% of Seattle’s growth from migration coming from outside the USA as domestic went negative.

It looks like a little time living in Seattle is all it takes to get one packing up the suitcases.

#131 Can't Beat'em Join'em on 06.23.20 at 7:55 pm

#111 K on 06.23.20 at 6:38 pm
Hey #4 Millennial Realist and # 33 Can’t Beat ’em . You two are hopeless economic romantic Socialists. As Margaret Thatcher once said . “Socialism is a great idea until you run out of other people’s money”

///

Garth is one man, a former MP.

Trudeau has an army of MPs and economists at his disposal with far more diversity than Garth. Debt doesn’t mean anything when you control the interest rate, even a drama teacher knows that. He can also nationalize the resources of Canada to foreign governments to pay off any debts and keep UBI going. No one in Canada needs to work unless they want to. We’ll be the most successful socialist experiment and a model for the UN to spread to other countries.

#132 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 7:58 pm

#122 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:23 pm

Sailo,

Getting desperate?
Quoting Andy NGO, a well known right wing agitator.
And FOX news.

Andy NGO was banned from speaking at UBC.
Your son did not tell you?

—————

Responses:

CHOP:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/seattle-work-deescalate-dismantle-chop-autonomous-zone-mayor/story?id=71399727

UBC:

https://www.jccf.ca/ubc-faces-legal-action-for-canceling-andy-ngo-event-about-antifa-violence/

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/margaret-atwood-says-ubcs-handling-of-galloway-affair-like-salem-witchcraft-trials/

Nuff said?

#133 Greg on 06.23.20 at 7:58 pm

#46 John Foster: “ The best no-vaccine solution is probably to have it spread through the population, but with enough controls that the rate doesn’t exceed healthcare’s ability to handle it. No one should die from a lack of resources. WAY easier said than done, but shouldn’t someone from our illustrious government be trying to figure that out?”

I think this the BC approach.

#134 Decent Majority on 06.23.20 at 7:58 pm

#4 Millenial Realist. You really are a hate-filled little peoplekind, aren’t you? Somebody in your well-off family didn’t give you their money? Lusting after other people’s hard earned money really brands you as a pathetic little low-life you know.

#135 Trojan House on 06.23.20 at 8:02 pm

I predict many more people will die from jumping off the sidewalk and getting hit by cars or trucks. Of course, they will count them as Covid deaths.

#136 Trojan House on 06.23.20 at 8:06 pm

What has gone up in the States is the testing. Interestingly enough, the number of cases in Florida rose 60%. Testing in Florida is up 67%. The case ratio basically stays the same.

#137 Yuus bin Haad on 06.23.20 at 8:07 pm

Weird. All in one day, two guys named Jimmy were after me to see if I could refer them to the PMO – and they wouldn’t say why. Weird.

#138 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 8:07 pm

#123 Faron on 06.23.20 at 7:29 pm

Gosh, almost sounds like we should defund the police a little bit. Maybe spend those dollars on a real sexual assault response?
—- –

Uhh, in Canada; if a Woman calls the cops to report being assaulted in any form by a male, said male is immediately hauled off in cuffs no matter if the accusation was false or not.

Is that not good enough for you?

#139 Nonplused on 06.23.20 at 8:13 pm

How on earth are thy going to fund a UBI? We’ve seen already what happened to the budget with the CERB and that was only supposed to be a temporary measure.

And will the UBI also have all kinds of crazy rules as to who qualifies and who doesn’t? The CERB is after all far from “universal” and it is going to run nearly $100 billion in less than a year.

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As for covid, there are basically 3 paths forward that remain possible; cases continue to fall, cases flat line, or the exponential phase is not really over. I guess we’ll know in a couple of months. The fact that Canada has so far seemed to have dodged the bullet is reassuring, but the data from other countries does argue that this thing is still dangerous. Remember, covid went from something new and unknown to the leading cause of death in the US in a matter of months. That is because it spreads exponentially until it starts to run out of victims to infect (the so-called “heard immunity” thing, which we have not come anywhere near to achieving). That’s what got the health authorities so worried. But all this self isolating and mask wearing and social distancing has not made the virus go away, it only slowed it down.

So the worst case scenario is that this thing continues to spread. I know people are getting restless to return to normal. My wife is driving me nuts. “When can we go camping?” “Do you want to go to the zoo?” “When will they open up Calaway park?” I don’t want to do any of those things because even though the zoo is open they are using the same protocols as Costco. Is it really necessary? Camping seems like a bad idea because kids and dogs do not social distance and we all have to use the same outhouses (flush toilets and showers are not open yet). And amusement parks? Totally impossible to see how they can do that without breaking every rule in the book. What are they going to do, sterilize the roller coaster after every run? Can they even make money at 25-50% capacity? And how will they hire their typically seasonal staff who are all making more money on CERB?

It’s hard for me to see how we are not entering the summer of our discontent. Pandemics do pass, but not in 3 months.

————————-

Now that more information has come in, it is becoming more and more clear what a debacle the Trump rally was. First, it has revealed just how nasty US politics has become when at least 300,000 trolls trolled the troller in chief by signing up with no intent to come. Second it highlights the foolishness of giving out 1,000,000 tickets to a venue that only holds 20,000 people and then telling everyone that is what you did just because you wanted their email addresses for fund raising purposes. Third, the was a Hillary effect. If you tell everyone the event is massively oversubscribed, people will stay home because they don’t think they will get in (this is similar to low voter turnout for Hillary because all the polls going in declared her to be a shoe-in so why bother?). I am guessing the Trump campaign will not make that mistake again and indeed they have already gotten rid of pre-registration. But on the positive side 12 million people watched it live streaming, so it wasn’t a total write-off.

#140 OK, Doomer on 06.23.20 at 8:14 pm

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm
Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah… Right….

I remember being young and idealistic when I was in college. Turns out that all those great ideas to change the world that my friends had when they were stoned were just dumb. They made sense at the time, until the weed wore off anyway.

Then we all grew up. Turns out you can’t support a family on stoner ideas. The kids need shoes and food and braces. That means you need a job that pays more than barista wages. Weird how that works.

I just hope you don’t do too much damage to others on your journey to growing up. Thinking that the laws of society and economics don’t apply to you can be hazardous to those around you.

#141 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 8:16 pm

#129 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:48 pm

Growing up in postwar Germany, to liberal parents,
I have no time for right or left wing demagogues and their followers.

————-

Huh.

A left wing demagogue organization might do something like, say: cancel a scheduled free speech event if threatened?

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-ubc-cancels-andy-ngo-talk-on-antifa-violence-due-to-violent-threats-from-antifa/

#142 Barb on 06.23.20 at 8:17 pm

Oh what a photo!
Not impressed with the swine-slop appearing stuff they’ll be fed.

#143 Keith on 06.23.20 at 8:19 pm

There seems to be a need for a history lesson on UBI. UBI is a right wing conservative policy that in Canada is most closely associated with long time prominent Conservative Hugh Segal whose most recent public role was as a Conservative senator.

UBI is a right wing ideal for certain important reasons. It replaces the entire patchwork of social programs like welfare and other income supports with a monthly payment calculated to lift recipients above the poverty line.

The goals are to substantially decrease the size of government, with all the bureaucrats administering a large array of income supports at the provincial and federal level. It puts money in the hands of people without stipulation, allowing them to spend it in the manner they choose – personal freedom. It recognizes that 80 percent of Canadians who live in poverty have a job – but they don’t make a living.

The effective “tax” (loss of benefits) on poor people who get a low paying job but immediately have to pay for childcare, and a host of other state provided benefits is anathema to Conservatives who decry high marginal tax rates. It’s a disincentive to work, and perpetuates a cycle of poverty.

People on the far right don’t like it because they regard it as free money, and people on the far left don’t like it because of the loss of unionized government employment. But UBI polls at 70% + approval ratings in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/the-sunday-edition-for-march-29-2020-1.5509908/amidst-a-global-pandemic-hugh-segal-s-call-for-a-guaranteed-annual-income-is-even-more-timely-1.5509938

#144 Can't Beat'em Join'em on 06.23.20 at 8:19 pm

#120 Pension expert on 06.23.20 at 7:13 pm

UBI would be based on income– if you make less than a certain amount(based on tax return) they would bump it up.Rich or anyone over $17k in income won’t get a dime.The UBI what I am hearing will be $17,000 year.If you made 15k they would just add 2k,10k they would add 7k

I see why your name isn’t “UBI expert”. The U in UBI stands for UNIVERSAL. If it has a means test then it’s called welfare. What is the point of adding a means test and administrative overhead to UBI? It would defeat the entire purpose. The only exception is that UBI will be slightly increased for women and Canadians of color to offset the patriarchy and systemic racism.

#145 Faron on 06.23.20 at 8:22 pm

#97 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 6:09 pm

article from Forbes:

That’s an op ed, not journalism. Sorry.

Andy Ngo is a troll master intent on spurring asian/black racist tensions (among others) for profit. Still, that was surprisingly balanced for him.

#146 Nonplused on 06.23.20 at 8:33 pm

#4 Millennial Realist on 06.23.20 at 2:55 pm
Plus – Boomers will be politically irrelevant by that next election, and most will be gone within a decade.

Huge change is on the doorstep.

The old ways are toast. The unjust, elite-serving, planet-destroying status quo is never coming back.

Boomers, be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

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The problem with this “morally superior” standpoint is that history shows us that when the new generation takes over, they are just as corrupt as the old generation, if not worse. Human nature does not change.

It would be nice to think that there is some utopia awaiting us all if only we brought in a new round of younger folks to run the various corrupt institutions. But instead what you get is a degeneration towards Marxism, which is about as bad as corruption and cruelty can get.

Crime statistics also show that the vast majority of criminal activity is committed by males under 30, with females under 30 coming in next. There is just no statistics to indicate turning our democracy over to the least experienced and most criminal among us will have a positive result.

But the good news is that with age and experience most kids morph into their parents. When I was 20 I thought my dad didn’t know anything. By 40 I realized he in fact knew everything.

#147 Faron on 06.23.20 at 8:33 pm

#138 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 8:07 pm

#123 Faron on 06.23.20 at 7:29 pm

Uhh, in Canada; if a Woman calls the cops to report being assaulted in any form by a male, said male is immediately hauled off in cuffs no matter if the accusation was false or not.

I don’t think that’s true. But, people are hauled away in cuffs prior to conviction in all kinds of cases that you probably don’t care about. Women, on average, have little to zero incentive to accuse someone of rape given the balance between the negative attention it garners and the turmoil of a trial.

And, most will never call the cops for a long list of reasons having nothing to do with the legitimacy of the accusation.

Regarding mental health and related violence. I take your point and trust your experience. Two questions: are cops alone able to de-escalate and, if so, are they satisfied that such is the state of their job? Was mental health support a reason they joined the force?

#148 Democracy Is Mob Rule on 06.23.20 at 8:50 pm

Yes the UBI will be implemented in Canada to replace CERB. It is only fair after all. All peoplekind are born equal and should have the same income.

The next step is to create the UBCC or Universal Basic Credit Card. All equal peoplekind should have equal credit access. It’s not fair to limit credit to some and not others. A credit card will be issued to every UBI recipient and all charges will go to one central account. At the end of the month the bill will be divided by the number of card holders and everyone will get an equal bill. This is only fair, since all peoplekind are equal.

Utopia is finally at hand.

#149 Faron on 06.23.20 at 8:53 pm

#132 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 7:58 pm

#122 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:23 pm

CHOP:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/seattle-work-deescalate-dismantle-chop-autonomous-zone-mayor/story?id=71399727

“Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best agreed that ‘the entire structure and mission of the Seattle Police Department has to be reimagined and re-envisioned.’

‘It will be done with direct community guidance,’ Best said during Monday’s press conference.”

Sounds like a blighted success to me.

UBC:

https://www.jccf.ca/ubc-faces-legal-action-for-canceling-andy-ngo-event-about-antifa-violence/

Unfair enough, I don’t think it’s ever a great idea to cancel speakers out of the blue. I doubt the legal action will make it very far.

Nuff said?

Sure.

#150 Show Me Don't Tell Me on 06.23.20 at 8:55 pm

Gotta say out in BC where the cases are low and the success rate is high. The data shows we should be in phase 4 already. Get on with it.

#151 Steveoh on 06.23.20 at 8:58 pm

Infection fatality rate for age under 50 is .05%. IF you get the virus. 99.95% survive. CDC figures. I suspect many would take the risk.

#152 P.Ooched on 06.23.20 at 9:00 pm

|| Plus there will be a federal election in 2021 with a Liberal majority

Not sure on the “why” there would be an election in 2021. Maybe someone could enlighten me?

Do the conservatives “believe” that they would have a legitimate chance to win?

Last polling I saw – didn’t give any indication of that – quite the opposite actually.

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-poll-vote-june-2020-abacus-data/

From my viewpoint – certainly things can and will change between now and 2021 – but unless the conservative party has some top secret super duper economic revival plan they’ve been cooking up behind closed doors or the covid vaccine – chances of them winning an election in the near future are far less then the chance of them getting their current seat count decimated

( of course, all Albertans will still vote for them )

So what am I missing. What would inspire the conservative party to even attempt an election at this point?

They won’t, of course. But the Libs will. – Garth

#153 Terry on 06.23.20 at 9:01 pm

Canada’s Future: Please add more with your reply.

– Higher Federal & Provincial income taxes.
– New surtax income taxes for high income earners.
– Higher business taxes.
– HST increases. (From 13 to 15%)
– Introduction of a new Covid-19 sales tax. (20%)
– Full implementation of new inheritance taxes.
– Tax free capital gains elimination.
– Public sector hiring freezes & lay-offs.
– Public sector salary freezes and benefit concessions.
– Federal transfer payments to provinces cut back.
– Hospital cutbacks, more bed closures.
– Mental hospital cutbacks.
– Police, fire & ambulance cutbacks.
– Education & services cutbacks.
– Teacher lay-offs and more school closures.
– Service Canada services cutbacks.
– Public parks and other public venue closures.
– Welfare cutbacks.
– HST rebates elimination.
– Allowances for having kids eliminated.
– Increasing of licensing fees for everything.
– Military spending cuts.
– Crown land sales.
– Privatization of other public lands and property.

Canada is adding about 300+ billion dollars to it’s total National debt by the end of this year. We will owe in total about 1 Trillion dollars at that time. Is anyone paying attention to this? Do you see what our Governments are doing to us? Do you really think we are going to survive economically with all the debts this country will owe? Think carefully and plan accordingly. We don’t have much time left.

#154 Ballingsford on 06.23.20 at 9:05 pm

If I die, and managed to rack up unfathomable debt, my estate would have to pay the bills.
Imagine if I was in control of country’s finances and racked up a lot of debt.
I would eventually not be elected and not have to answer to my debt.
Doesn’t sound right. Someone who did this should be accountable for the rest of their life.

#155 Nonplused on 06.23.20 at 9:06 pm

#48 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:31 pm

“Is polygamy legal yet? We should get working on this ASAP.”

Serial polygamy is legal. The super rich trade their wives in every 15 years or so, sometimes sooner.

But if you want 2 or more women at one time you can do it Charlie Sheen style assuming you can afford it. There is no law against “roommates” and no law against whether they are providing “ancillary services”. But remember, if you buy one of them a BMW, you’ll have to buy them all a BMW. There is no law against women doing the same thing, I knew one who did in fact have two “boyfriends” living with her. It’s the 2020’s so what business is it of mine?

#156 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 9:23 pm

#136 Trojan House on 06.23.20 at 8:06 pm
What has gone up in the States is the testing. Interestingly enough, the number of cases in Florida rose 60%. Testing in Florida is up 67%. The case ratio basically stays the same.
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The Prez agrees with you.
He says “all we have to do is stop testing, and then we will have no new cases”.
Genius in Chief.

#157 Note to "Reality is stark" on 06.23.20 at 9:33 pm

#106 Reality is stark on 06.23.20 at 6:25 pm

The Chinese are decimating our manufacturing sector (a lot of it through constructive dumping and stealing intellectual property)
_________________________________

Hey “Reality is stark”, proof to what you just said, the Chinese stole your family’s space technology! Please click the link below to see how they steal everything…

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/china-threatens-u-s-space-power-by-completing-satellite-network-1.1454983

#158 ain't life rand on 06.23.20 at 9:41 pm

@#121 yorkville renter on 06.23.20 at 7:16 pm
#87 – do people with sprained ankles go into ventilators? because it said the patient must be CV19 positive and be hooked up to a ventilator.

that’s kind of a big difference versus what you said

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apparently reading comprehension isn’t a strong point for him

#159 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 9:55 pm

#141 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 8:16 pm
#129 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:48 pm

Growing up in postwar Germany, to liberal parents,
I have no time for right or left wing demagogues and their followers.

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Huh.

A left wing demagogue organization might do something like, say: cancel a scheduled free speech event if threatened?

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-ubc-cancels-andy-ngo-talk-on-antifa-violence-due-to-violent-threats-from-antifa/
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So, UBC is a left wing organization?
And you let your imaginary son attend?

#160 DON on 06.23.20 at 9:57 pm

Summer is here…party time. Rutting season etc.

Wait till the cold weather returns and people are faced with the normal flu season. Fear will be heightened again.

Election in 2021, Lib Majority, UBI. Makes sense. But won’t a terrible economy be a problem next year? The lack lustre economy will be blamed on COVID, in essence stifling any comments from the opposition. People out of work and CERB leading to UBI and Trudeau gets a majority. Sounds about right! Why no election this fall? Too soon during a possible second wave in flu season? The political benefits of the CERB still gaining traction among voters?

#161 Pension expert on 06.23.20 at 9:58 pm

Universal in the meaning that everyone gets topped up to a minimum $17,000 a year so Universally nobody makes less than $17,000.00—get it.Negative income tax may be a better way to phrase it but it still has a Universal feature.Nobody making big money will be sent a Universal cheque,that is stupid,redundant as it would just waste time being taxed back later anyway.The Universal top up is the way to go.

#162 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.23.20 at 10:01 pm

@#146 Nonplused
“It would be nice to think that there is some utopia awaiting us all if only we brought in a new round of younger folks to run the various corrupt institutions. But instead what you get is a degeneration towards Marxism, which is about as bad as corruption and cruelty can get.”

++++
Utopia beckons…..
The latest idea from socialist, utopian, Political Science major and Mayor of Vancouver….. Kennedy Stewrat?

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/06/22/kennedy-stewart-end-street-checks/

The PC science experiment continues.

Mayor Stewart wants to ban police street checks.
As the Fentynal overdose deaths spike back to pre covid levels.

One wonders if hundreds of overdose deaths will have police watching known drug dealers walk past them with bulging pockets in the Downtown East side….because random police checks are racist.

I didnt think it was possible but former mayor Moonbean is beginning to look like a Rhodes Scholar compared to the politically correct “idiot in charge”…..

#163 TRON on 06.23.20 at 10:09 pm

Garth here is a reality check to anyone who thinks this recovery will be anything but long.

I worked for a very large multinational up ‘till last week. First was a 2 week furlough and then the pension plan removed and finally let go. Company wide 18% of the employees. Sharholders need their return so layoffs despite what will still be billions in profits this year.

It was a good run, 5 years before retirement and I won’t complain knowing this old guy needs to find another job so that I have a decent amount to live out my years. I feel for young people as the road ahead will be paved with less money and more rules.

The idiots doing all the protesting have no idea what life is. It’s a series of struggles and triumphs where everyone earns what they are worth and not a dime more. The result is an opportunity to better your like. They don’t see it that way because my generation did such a shitty job protecting them from struggles. Instead we worked harder and saved so that we had money for their soccer, cell phones and lavish birthday parties. Nobody ever appreciates what is given to them but cherish what they have earned.

The kids will now learn. Governments will prop them up then enslave them with paying it all back. They will teach them the lesson their parents never did; nothing in life is free and everything that is will either be useless or need to be paid back. I guess if they threw AOC and Trudeau into prison for crimes against humanity we may have a chance but the chance of that happening are a little less than a V shaped recovery.

#164 Dr V on 06.23.20 at 10:17 pm

161 Definitely not an expert

You are describing a guaranteed minimum income, not a negative income tax or UBI.

The problem with it is a total disincentive to work for
people at lower income levels.

#165 VicPaul on 06.23.20 at 10:17 pm

#106 Reality is stark on 06.23.20 at 6:25 pm
As our retailers go bankrupt and American auto companies close expensive Canadian operations we are left with natural resource extraction.
The Chinese are decimating our manufacturing sector (a lot of it through constructive dumping and stealing intellectual property) so we are left with minimum wage distribution jobs.
We need to build better mousetraps here.

But this is not what our schools are producing. We churn out victims.

*********

Yes…universities have been churning out outraged, socialist, zealots throughout the humanities for the last thirty years, and intelligent thinkers have been warning us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofmuCXRMoSA

What we witness now is the perverse amalgam of these misdirected 20/30 somethings with the Marxist apologists that are the U.S. Democratic party.
Shit-show meet fuel.
^^^^^

On an unrelated topic, I read how the scourge of racism has now infected bird-watching. Of course, no one should be made to be “uncomfortable” when bird-watching but, apparently when the Black fellow who was bird-watching told a White woman who was walking her dog off-leash to leash the dog, she exploded (but, that’s a different story about gender entitlement) and called the cops – claiming a Black man was making her fearful (or whatever nonsense).
It’s all ended well though – people all over are contacting him through his new birding website…and she was made to apologize.

M56BC

#166 Deplorable Dude on 06.23.20 at 10:28 pm

#158 aunt life rad “
@#121 yorkville renter on 06.23.20 at 7:16 pm
#87 – do people with sprained ankles go into ventilators? because it said the patient must be CV19 positive and be hooked up to a ventilator.

that’s kind of a big difference versus what you said

apparently reading comprehension isn’t a strong point for him.
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Neither of you bothered to read the article I see. My reading comprehension is fine.

From the article…it’s either/or. Just being diagnosed with C19 is sufficient to jack the fee 20%…even if you came in with a sprained ankle.

“Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it’s considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.”

#167 Canadian Moose on 06.23.20 at 10:38 pm

Libs win the election in 2021 and UBI becomes a thing. I will be lining up behind those pooches with a much smaller plate. Roinks!

#168 45north on 06.23.20 at 10:53 pm

derelict nut case

in April, a man shot a bunch of people in Nova Scotia then the RCMP shot and killed him

shortly afterwards Justin Trudeau announced a program to confiscate guns across the country
cost of the program is $600 million

as a boomer who doesn’t own guns, I figured this was Justin Trudeau playing to his base

now I hear that the man withdrew $475,000 from a bank

I thought of him as a derelict nut case. Count me as a boomer who lives inside his visions of the past, but derelict nut cases don’t have $475,000. What the hell is going on?

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-nova-scotia-shooter-case-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/

#169 Ballingsford on 06.23.20 at 10:53 pm

Been reading the comments here Garth and wondering why you let some stupid people post.

#170 meslippery on 06.23.20 at 11:02 pm

#23 Dolce Vita

THE GOODS
“From 1981 to 2019, median real hourly wages in full-time jobs increased by 18%, with most of the growth occurring after 2005.”

“Median real hourly wages in full-time jobs increased by roughly 11% from May 2019 to May 2020 and average real hourly wages grew by about 9%.”

THE BAD
“From 1981 to 2017—the most recent year for which data on pension plan coverage are available—the percentage of employees with a registered pension plan (RPP) fell by 8 percentage points, dropping from 45% in 1981 to 37% in 2017.”

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The same 1981 house up 300% wages up 18% benefits, pension down, offshoring up bigly.

Don’t like Trump but that’s why he is POTUS.

#171 DON on 06.23.20 at 11:10 pm

@139 Nonplused

“As for covid, there are basically 3 paths forward that remain possible; cases continue to fall, cases flat line, or the exponential phase is not really over. I guess we’ll know in a couple of months. The fact that Canada has so far seemed to have dodged the bullet is reassuring, but the data from other countries does argue that this thing is still dangerous. Remember, covid went from something new and unknown to the leading cause of death in the US in a matter of months. That is because it spreads exponentially until it starts to run out of victims to infect (the so-called “heard immunity” thing, which we have not come anywhere near to achieving). That’s what got the health authorities so worried. But all this self isolating and mask wearing and social distancing has not made the virus go away, it only slowed it down.

So the worst case scenario is that this thing continues to spread. I know people are getting restless to return to normal. My wife is driving me nuts. “When can we go camping?” “Do you want to go to the zoo?” “When will they open up Calaway park?” I don’t want to do any of those things because even though the zoo is open they are using the same protocols as Costco. Is it really necessary? Camping seems like a bad idea because kids and dogs do not social distance and we all have to use the same outhouses (flush toilets and showers are not open yet). And amusement parks? Totally impossible to see how they can do that without breaking every rule in the book. What are they going to do, sterilize the roller coaster after every run? Can they even make money at 25-50% capacity? And how will they hire their typically seasonal staff who are all making more money on CERB?”

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Which is why they want to spread the virus affects out and not overwhelm hospitals at any one point in time to ensure they can save as many as possible. The Spanish flu from what I read seems to have faded with herd immunity over time.

As for camping:

Camping in your own front yard is considered domestic travel and accommodation.

International camping means camping in your neighbours back yard.

#172 JUST LQQKING on 06.23.20 at 11:22 pm

106 Reality is stark on 06.23.20 at 6:25 pm

As our retailers go bankrupt and American auto companies close expensive Canadian operations we are left with natural resource extraction.
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The Chinese are decimating our manufacturing sector (a lot of it through constructive dumping and stealing intellectual property) so we are left with minimum wage distribution jobs.
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When a foreign woman comes to this country the first thing she is taught are what her rights are in family court.
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High achievers want government positions. How is that a recipe for prosperity? They are disillusioned with the private sector because bosses are mean and require excessive determination.
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you’re kinda all over the map there buddy…what point were you trying to make?
20% of small businesses fail in their first year, 30% of small business fail in their second year, and 50% of small businesses fail after five years in business.
….but the main reason I wanted to comment was that “high achievers” don’t try to get on with the gov’t….and they don’t work for “mean bosses”…they usually spend enough time acquiring a skillset (which may include a mean boss for a short time), or getting an education….either of which will make them become high achievers….if that’s their goal…it’s not that hard to do…and it’s very rewarding…try it!

#173 Sail Away on 06.23.20 at 11:24 pm

#159 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 9:55 pm
#141 Sail away on 06.23.20 at 8:16 pm
#129 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.23.20 at 7:48 pm

Growing up in postwar Germany, to liberal parents,
I have no time for right or left wing demagogues and their followers.

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Huh.

A left wing demagogue organization might do something like, say: cancel a scheduled free speech event if threatened?

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-ubc-cancels-andy-ngo-talk-on-antifa-violence-due-to-violent-threats-from-antifa/

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So, UBC is a left wing organization?
And you let your imaginary son attend?

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Of course. Every university is left wing. And of course my imaginary son attends as he chooses; free will is the bastion of independent thought.

#174 Linda on 06.23.20 at 11:33 pm

#69 ‘Marco’ – it would depend on just when UBI would apply. If the rules said ‘all Canadian citizens’ then any child born in Canada would presumably receive UBI as soon as their birth was registered & a SIN number assigned. However, given that the promise of UBI would be political in nature – ‘Vote for me! UBI in every pocket!’ – most likely it would begin at age 18. At first, anyway.

#112 ‘Reximus’ – as I said in my initial post (#40) I’m against the idea of UBI. A ‘universal’ income would by its very nature apply to all; if one begins to pick & choose who gets UBI then it simply isn’t ‘universal’. It is instead just another program meant to buy votes.

#175 palebird on 06.23.20 at 11:36 pm

As Bubbles would say “it’s really greasy”. In a while most people will start to get the picture. And it is not what the CBC is selling. If they attempt a second lockdown in the USA there will be some very nasty backlash and the people who are trying to run this “show” will get a taste of “we the people”. Canadians don’t have the gonads to stand up for themselves. If the population elect Trudeau for another term with a majority they will regret that decision to the end.

#176 Tom from Mississauga on 06.23.20 at 11:41 pm

Very little immigration and UBI keeping people out of the workforce. Supply induced inflation will be the real problem.

#177 Phylis on 06.23.20 at 11:56 pm

#117 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.23.20 at 7:06 pm
@#95 Floppie

5 or 6 years?
Seems like 2 years……
It could be the bottle in front of me or the frontal lobotamy ……. either way….no worries.

———————
Phew comments are a little tenuous this evening. To continue…..

I wish I was born in a bar.
I wouldn’t have to walk so very far.
I’ll peal back my cranium and put my brain in a jar.
Oh, I wish I was born in a bar.

Second verse… dang it cant remember….
Memories (?) from the Brunnie.

#178 Shabbat Shallom on 06.24.20 at 12:15 am

Covid case counts are low in Canada because they aren’t being counted as such. Death rates low because dead are being categorized as ‘died from heart failure/organ failure etc, instead of the viral load. People are stupid and easily led, which is why so few are rich and so many are poor.

#179 Tim123 on 06.24.20 at 12:21 am

Canadians are more trusting of the government than Americans which mean that people are more apt to stay out of public places except for the necessities. The recovery will be slower in Canada than the US because of that as well as the large part that oil and gas play in the Canadian economy. I have to agree that the Canadian dollar is likely to stay weak over the next year. I see a very robust equity market over the next year but there will be volatility.

#180 Dr V on 06.24.20 at 12:23 am

143 keith – thank you for the link. from the article:

“It means you get topped up between what your income may be now — could be zero, could be $600 a month — to about $1,300 or $1,400 a month which would get you to about 75 per cent of the poverty rate. But unlike welfare it would encourage people to work. And if you did work, you could keep a large part of what you earned.”

So it’s still not UBI. And despite what he says, there is still disincentive to work at the lower income levels because the benefit is lessened as income increases.

The article does note that the text has been condensed and edited from the interview.

#181 Can't Beat'em Join'em on 06.24.20 at 12:39 am

#152 P.Ooched on 06.23.20 at 9:00 pm

( of course, all Albertans will still vote for them )

So what am I missing. What would inspire the conservative party to even attempt an election at this point?

They won’t, of course. But the Libs will. – Garth

They won’t call an election. The left is putting the conservatives on the run. We will win whatever election comes next.

We’ll accuse them of racism for opposing BLM to force them out. Anyone who “claims” to be a centrist will be forced out for not towing the party line too.

Looks like we got another one for going against BLM. An Albertan too.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pcnc-member-alberta-1.5618816

Here is the video he was trying to spread that contains reference to “All Lives Matter”.

To top it off he tried to promote “qualified candidates” when part of the NDP mandate is to select for diversity. This goes against the Trudeau narrative.

Liberals and NDP will push out all conservatives, conservative sympathizers and centrists who refuse to tow the party line next election.

Go read the comments for the article.

Soon we will have UBI for everyone and the BLM community will justly receive the largest compensation. Soon the non-BLM people will have their wealth taken away.

#182 Dr V on 06.24.20 at 12:39 am

144 Join ’em – That’s it! Fight systemic racism and
sexism with systematic racism and sexism!

#183 Alphonse Kehaulic on 06.24.20 at 12:52 am

#38 Coho

“Covid and the response to it is a tool to reshape society.”

Nuff said. Been saying the same to folks around here for months, since this all started in fact. All I get are glazed eyeballs and “Oh Alzy baby, get off the wacko train.”

No longer do I waste my breath.

#184 ronh on 06.24.20 at 1:22 am

Better late than never:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-unveils-new-elementary-math-curriculum-with-coding-budgeting/wcm/b7567c50-7062-4ee1-aab3-8e9aa65aa0d8/

#185 Pick any number from 100 to 900 on 06.24.20 at 2:12 am

I just cannot believe what I discovered
open Google search
start with a random number like 223 new cases, then 224 new cases, then 225 new cases, then 226 new cases and so on and read 2 pages of results for each search. I think we’ve been had.

#186 K on 06.24.20 at 2:37 am

Can’t beat em….do you have any money in the bank ? Do you own any real estate ? Do you have a job ? Do you live pay cheque to pay cheque ? Are you angry with people who have worked hard and prospered ? I smell an envious Socialist .

#187 MF on 06.24.20 at 2:46 am

The world needs a massive purge. Housing in Canada is nowhere close to what people make or can afford comfortably. Prices are ridiculous and insane. Thanks to the wave, this Titanic is half-sunk, ready to nose dive anytime.
GT! I’m waiting for this since the last recession, almost 2 decades now. House of cards stands high & steady refusing to waver. Even then, even now!

#188 Jimers on 06.24.20 at 2:54 am

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#189 Gravy Train on 06.24.20 at 6:44 am

#118 Jimers on 06.23.20 at 7:08 pm
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Three strikes and you’re out, dumbass! :P

#190 Dharma Bum on 06.24.20 at 7:17 am

#40 Linda

…obviously a $2,000 per month UBI is quite the income boost. Only problem is, who pays for this?
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Millennial Realist, and his pals!

#191 Dharma Bum on 06.24.20 at 7:44 am

UBI

Semper UBI sub UBI.

I learned this is grade 9 Latin class.

Look it up.

https://glosbe.com/la/en/semper%20ubi%20sub%20ubi

#192 Dharma Bum on 06.24.20 at 7:50 am

It’s funny how the idea of UBI, socialism, CERB, welfare, etc., is so appealing to Canadians. JT has a 70% approval rate – or something like that.

The idea of a meritocracy is very unappealing to most Canadians.

Why?

People, deep down, know that they are stupid and useless, and that they would be at the bottom of the heap if they were judged and compensated on their skill level and merits.

Sad times.

#193 Gravy Train on 06.24.20 at 7:51 am

#187 MF on 06.24.20 at 2:46 am
“[…] Housing in Canada is nowhere close to what people make or can afford comfortably. Prices are ridiculous and insane.[…]” Yours is the stupidest comment I’ve ever read here in the steerage section of this blog! Do you even read Garth’s daily posts? What have you learned? Nothing! You’re a defiant, insistent and proudly unteachable deplorable, incapable of rational thought! I’ll try one last time, and then give up!

I live in Canada, and bought in 2010 a 4-bed, 2-bath SFD built in 2004 for 190 large. My monthly mortgage payment is $557.12. How is that unaffordable, you dumbass?

I bought in 2008 both sides—yes, both sides—of a semi-detached built in 1997 for 170 large. The rental income from both sides easily cover the expenses.

Maybe try reading Garth’s blog, and learning from his teachings, rather than spewing your endless drivel. Oh, never mind, you’re a deplorable, and by definition incapable of learning! :P

#194 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 8:18 am

@#169 Baleful

“Been reading the comments here Garth and wondering why you let some stupid people post.”
+++

He does it just to annoy YOU!
:)

#195 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 8:27 am

Another example of flip everything our elite ruler say 180 deg. They Tsktsk and tell us that the new strict CV Communism Protocols are a requirement as some people ruin it for all of us!
(Btw the goal in the New System is elimination of individual rights. You are currently presumed sick)

The reality is..the more people actually complying with these camp directives, the more we permanently lose our rights. As it’s obvious the New System is working.

Wait till Christmatime…visiting loved ones via PC monitor. Likely locked down again with no sports faith services travel or restaurant meals (still banned in ON) Standing outside in line like filthy barn animals in the frigid cold. On your mark like a good dog to transact commerce. Sit. Stay.
Even then some will cling to their beloved R values.
Communism requires lots of useful idiots.

#196 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 8:32 am

@#192 Dharma Bum
“People, deep down, know that they are stupid and useless…..”

++++

And our our popular Leader sits on top of the taxpayer money pile and throws it into the wind because, “the budget will balance itself”.

Why isnt a “Balanced Budget” Law?
Why is Trudeau able to spend billions with zero debate?
What year will the Canadian dollar be worth $0.50 or less?
Where are the silent Conservatives?
Who will ultimately pay for all this besides the taxpayers?
How long can this go on before an election is called?

#197 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 8:35 am

@#187 MF
“I live in Canada, and bought in 2010 a 4-bed, 2-bath SFD built in 2004 for 190 large.”

++++

Live next to a medical waste dump do you?
Dont drink the tap water if your still on a Well.
You couldnt buy a one car garage in Vancouver for 190k.

#198 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 8:40 am

^WHAT THE? I saw a sign in window of storefront.

“Open for business and keeping our Livestock customers safe”.

Actually it’s the name of that business. But my god what secondary truth that sign holds.
Stay outside in the barn yard ya filthy animal

#199 conan on 06.24.20 at 8:46 am

I can see the UBI coming in sooner rather than later. It will probably be a 1000 bucks a month, and it will replace the CERB. Taxed back so that 100 percent is recovered between incomes 50 and 62 K.

The bright side is all of these government agencies tasked with sending people 1000 bucks or less per month can be re tasked .

It might even save money.

#200 Howard on 06.24.20 at 8:52 am

#35 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:05 pm

Sorry dude, you’ll have to wait for us Gen X’ers to go as well. Figure 50 more years or so. Not so long when you think about it. The bonus is you Mils won’t even give a rip about change by then. Unless it involves an increase in GIS payments of course.

Better start saving now homie, your fantasy ain’t happening…

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What generation do you think Justin Trudeau is?

And the Boomers and Xers couldn’t prevent Mills from electing the T2 Liberals twice. I was actually hoping the Boomers would make themselves useful for once and prevent it from happening but they couldn’t even manage that.

#201 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 8:57 am

#200 Howard on 06.24.20 at 8:52 am
#35 IHCTD9 on 06.23.20 at 4:05 pm

Sorry dude, you’ll have to wait for us Gen X’ers to go as well. Figure 50 more years or so. Not so long when you think about it. The bonus is you Mils won’t even give a rip about change by then. Unless it involves an increase in GIS payments of course.

Better start saving now homie, your fantasy ain’t happening…

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What generation do you think Justin Trudeau is?

And the Boomers and Xers couldn’t prevent Mills from electing the T2 Liberals twice. I was actually hoping the Boomers would make themselves useful for once and prevent it from happening but they couldn’t even manage that
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Trudeau is Gen X

There are loads of Women from all generations who helped the kids vote him in.

#202 MF on 06.24.20 at 8:58 am

187 MF on 06.24.20 at 2:46 am

Lol I did not write that post.

I do not write like that and don’t believe any of that rubbish.

MF

#203 Sky on 06.24.20 at 9:07 am

Decades of militarism (USA), corporatism, consumerism and hedonism have hurled us from decadence to morbidity. That’s right. We’re a morbid society now. Morbid to an extreme.

No price was too high to pay so that we could cater to yet another indulgence – an unhealthy obsession with disease and dying. The great coronavirus melodrama of our times. Kill the economy and ramp up the presses? Why not. We simply rolled over and played dead. Which we most assuredly are.

A strong and healthy culture produces great and enduring ideas. Philosophy, artwork, music. Food, literature and architecture. It teaches and inspires future generations. It feeds the soul. It contains elements of both tradition and creativity. Does this sound anything like our own 20th century cultural legacy?

The riots and destruction in the streets of the USA are a direct result of our empty and broken culture. Those kids haven’t been given anything of substance to be FOR. So they’re only AGAINST. Consequently, they’re a violent insult to MLK and what he achieved.

Trying to tear down history and the desecration of WW2 memorials is nothing short of stupid and degenerate. I’d like to tear down the $500 sneakers, the gangster rap, the excessive tattooing and piercing, the Stephen Kings and Danielle Steels, the debased Hollywood movies, the soap operas they pawn off as news, the TV chefs who teach you meat should be nearly raw on the inside and burnt on the outside. Those things belong in airplane vomit bags. I can only dream.

Contrast in culture : Russia – (acceptance of history and honoring the dead)

– 75th anniversary of Russia’s defeat of Nazi Germany

– A memorial to the 26 million Russians who died during
WW2

– Steel steps built of melted down Nazi tanks

– “Cathedral of the Armed Forces “… built in 600 days !!!

A stunning, moving and powerful piece of architecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lDNvwTx6Q&feature=emb_title

USA – Took them 11 years to replace the Twin Towers with just another unremarkable steel and glass behemoth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbA89YbWoL8

#204 Sail Away on 06.24.20 at 9:16 am

#185 Pick any number from 100 to 900 on 06.24.20 at 2:12 am

I just cannot believe what I discovered

open Google search
start with a random number like 223 new cases, then 224 new cases, then 225 new cases, then 226 new cases and so on and read 2 pages of results for each search. I think we’ve been had.

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Wow. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but that is… chilling.

Extremely disturbing at the least. Pure AI articles? What is happening?

#205 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 9:25 am

#147 Faron on 06.23.20 at 8:33 pm

Regarding mental health and related violence. I take your point and trust your experience. Two questions: are cops alone able to de-escalate and, if so, are they satisfied that such is the state of their job? Was mental health support a reason they joined the force?
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1. Yes cops alone can and do de-escalate, They’re trained in it. A quick google will reveal all.

2. You’re asking if cops are upset that they don’t get to use their guns on every call, and instead have to take people into custody peacefully? My guess is they are quite happy about that. A big part of any LEO’s job is dealing with folks who are compromised in some way – I’m sure they didn’t walk into the academy with absolutely no idea what a cop does every day.

I know a few cops, they mostly hate the paperwork.

#206 David Hawke on 06.24.20 at 9:42 am

Expect a massive influx of third world immigrants over the next couple years, after all, someone needs to keep the infrastructure operating for a nation of lazy doped-up UBI couch-potatoes, EH!

#207 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 9:58 am

What are police departments at once changing themselves? Such co-incident timelines. Yep this Plandemic is part of it:

If only you’d know about the plans years ago. If only you knew what to google for.
Welcome to the new world order folks.

UN agenda + “community policing”

globalinitiative.net › policing-for-sustainable-development-goals
Mar 12, 2019 – … faces as part of the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, … from over forty years of work implementing community policing in the …

#208 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 9:59 am

#143 Keith on 06.23.20 at 8:19 pm

People on the far right don’t like it because they regard it as free money, and people on the far left don’t like it because of the loss of unionized government employment. But UBI polls at 70% + approval ratings in Canada.

Therein lies the rub. Depending on how UBI is implemented, it could either double what Welfare recipients get while simultaneously lessening the burden on the taxpayer, or be another financial whirlwind with a brand new bureaucracy, and billions spent on top of the calamity we’re already financing.

I just can’t see Trudeau doing it right. There’s just no history of him doing so for me to go on.

Just like Wynne in Ontario when weed became legal. They could have easily sold it thru private distribution, or through the existing LCBO at minimal cost.

But no, Wynne had to create an entire new bureaucracy controlling the whole shebang top to bottom. The result? Prices were double street prices, sales are slow (duh), and they lost 42 million selling the stuff last year.

Thus it will be with UBI if it’s not done right.

#209 JB on 06.24.20 at 10:11 am

#100 TurnerNation on 06.23.20 at 6:20 pm

#44 JB it’s really simple. Do not touch your face until you’re washed your hands. Common sense taught.
You must have skippped that day in Kindergarten.

A tiny minority of people in the building mask themselves.
But not the security, maintenance or managers.
It’s a condo not a hospital. Covidiots like yourself need to turn off your Teevee.
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My aunt who lives in a CONDO got covid and was relegated to staying in her hi-rise with my uncle and they had to play dodge-ball for two months in the damn place because there was no room. They had to sleep with the few windows they have open even in April to get fresh air. She washed her hands and did everything right. Seventeen people in her building caught it, that we know of and at least two died. So live in your little imaginary dream land. Ignore the problem and stop testing right! The numbers will go down and this will all go away if we just ignore it. Hi density living is ripe for growing viruses and spreading them. That is a fact. I bet your against vaccines too?

#210 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 10:13 am

Daily changes non stop. Into 2021 and beyond.
Fastest communism rollout ever.

https://huddle.today/some-halifax-businesses-are-now-charging-a-covid-tax-heres-why/

“Covid-19 surcharges are showing up across the city: a 20 percent fee on top of your normal bill at a restaurant, a $15 “sanitation fee” at a spa, an extra $2 at your barber, or a new PPE charge on your dental bill.

For some customers, these new charges feel like a slap “

#211 Sky on 06.24.20 at 10:16 am

# 204 Sail Away

I just cannot believe what I discovered

open Google search
start with a random number like 223 new cases, then 224 new cases, then 225 new cases, then 226 new cases and so on and read 2 pages of results for each search. I think we’ve been had.

——————–

Wow. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but that is… chilling.

Extremely disturbing at the least. Pure AI articles? What is happening?

*********************

What’s happening is : They control the vertical. They control the horizontal.

You’re late to the game. By now, you need the exact net address, right down to the ( https://www. ) to find the sites that give you REAL information. The kind they don’t want you to see.

And if you don’t know those sites… Google will never let you find them and all you’re going to get is fake news like you saw with the Covid-19 numbers. Use a different search engine.

Kinda cool though. You can make the pandemic as bad or as good as you want it to be. LOL

#212 Ace Goodheart on 06.24.20 at 10:18 am

RE: #195 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 8:27 am

There are some interesting issues with the communist conspiracy theory that is circulating around regarding COVID-19 emergency orders.

The first issue is that all of these weird restrictions that are being put on people, are being done by way of emergency orders. So as soon as the “state of emergency” is lifted, all of this stuff becomes fairy dust.

The second issue is that the COVID-19 restrictions are being put in place, by politicians being influenced by the COVID-19 do-gooder, self appointed COVID police set.

Take Premier Ford for example. He has tried as hard as he can, NOT to put in place COVID restrictions in Ontario. He has had to change his mind repeatedly, due to backlash from the above noted self appointed COVID-19 do gooder police.

These apparently well meaning, but badly misinformed groups of private citizens, are acting as basically a new COVID-19 religious group, relentlessly lobbying government, mostly through the use of social media and small, blog-like click bait online news publications, to put in place meaningless and mostly ineffective COVID-19 restrictions.

These folks are responsible for the closure of Toronto’s parks (even though you have a better chance of getting COVID indoors than outdoors), the forcing of people to wear face masks (even though a virus goes right through a face mask), the weird “outdoor social distancing circles” that have appeared in Toronto parks, the closure of beaches across the Province, the abusive and probably illegal “campaign” against cottagers that took place in the spring (and was abruptly abandoned when groups of wealthy and well connected cottagers decided to send their lawyers after the campaign organizers).

Most COVID-19 restrictions actually come from these COVID-19 self appointed religious priests, who keep lobbying government to put in place any restrictions that they come up with. These people are mostly uneducated, none of them appear to be doctors, they appear to make decisions based on their “gut feeling” or their “intuition” rather than based on science or any form of logical investigation.

There are a lot of these people. They have become a strong political force.

Throughout history, allowing people like this to have any form of power has resulted in populism, mass murders, meaningless religious restrictions, genocides, racism, bigoted societies, small mindedness, and the general degeneration and destruction of enlightened, modern society and thought.

Added to the above, we have the doctors. At the top of the pile, we have people who have not practiced medicine in years. They are ivory tower folks. Many of them hold emeritus positions at Universities. They spend their days thinking, drinking strong coffee, and going to meetings with other eminent, high placed people.

These people are the opposite of the self appointed COVID-19 religious thoughts and actions police.

They have a very good understanding of COVID-19. You can listen to them talk about it, as they do so quite often and in a very public way.

Their thoughts and ideas differ widely from the “COVID-19” religious police.

What I am seeing, is that these people are giving up. Instead of reinforcing that most of the COVID-19 religious police’s ideas are total bunk, these people are just backing down and saying “OK, do what you like”.

It is almost like they are afraid to disagree with the thought and actions religious police.

That is what I am seeing.

Politicians are just stuck in the wind, being blown this direction and that, and doing whatever they can to keep things from blowing up on the ground.

#213 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 10:20 am

#199 conan on 06.24.20 at 8:46 am
I can see the UBI coming in sooner rather than later. It will probably be a 1000 bucks a month, and it will replace the CERB. Taxed back so that 100 percent is recovered between incomes 50 and 62 K.

The bright side is all of these government agencies tasked with sending people 1000 bucks or less per month can be re tasked .

It might even save money.
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It’ll be more than 1k per month. Pilot in Ontario was 1400.00 less 50% of any earnings. Ontario Works pays about 700.00/month.

If the government does things right by purging the bureaucracy 110% and getting a computer to administrate the program, it could go higher even.

#214 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 10:26 am

Ben Mulroney steps down as ‘etalk’ anchor to make room for ‘diverse voices’.

When will Justin Trudeau follow?

#215 MF on 06.24.20 at 10:49 am

204 Sail Away on 06.24.20 at 9:16

Ah no.

225, 300 are common numbers for new cases in the world. The google algo can find articles with that case range easily. Type something more rare like 934 and see if anything shows up.

Neeext.

MF

#216 Gravy Train on 06.24.20 at 11:00 am

#197 CEF on 06.24.20 at 8:35 am
“Live next to a medical waste dump, do you?” Asinine remark coming from another dumbass! I live in a suburb of a major Canadian port city—not too far away from Garth.

“Don’t drink the tap water if [you’re] still on a well.” Another asinine remark.

“You couldn’t buy a one-car garage in Vancouver for 190k.” Duh! I never realized till now how frigging stupid you are! You don’t understand what Garth has been writing about for the past decade! Do you just chirp your comments every day without reading his blog?

#217 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 11:08 am

The Liberal Party of Canada should bend the knee to Jody Wilson-Raybould, Justin Trudeau should resign to make room for her, as the next leader of the party.

#218 Sail Away on 06.24.20 at 11:09 am

Re: CHOP

Hey, cool: a fourth shooting in CHOP last night.

Man, Faron, that vibrant community just keeps getting more and more vibrant.

All these people getting too much arting and peacing and demonstrating. Oh, and bullets, don’t forget the bulletting.

Sure wish the border was open so I could show my nephews and nieces the power of non-violent protest. The kids would love it: “Yes, Angie, that is blood. And you can see where the peaceful protesters dragged the body down the street. Here, have a shell casing as a souvenir.”

#219 MF on 06.24.20 at 11:17 am

206 David Hawke on 06.24.20 at 9:42 am

#220 Pension expert on 06.24.20 at 11:17 am

#164

The smartest expert thank you

When they give you money back that is a negative income tax and it has been called that for decades…now run along

#221 MF on 06.24.20 at 11:19 am

206 David Hawke on 06.24.20 at 9:42 am

I work with a lot of those immigrants and they are good people.

Canada absolutely needs them and benefits from them.

MF

#222 the Jaguar on 06.24.20 at 11:42 am

Seems like a smart move on Ben Mulroney’s part.
He is still employed by CTV, will be their lead on coveted ‘Red Carpet’ events, and best of all doesn’t have to associate with any backstabbing colleagues like Elaine ‘Lainey’ Liu. Expect interest in ETALK to fall off a cliff. Expect friends and supporters of both Mulroney’s to “close ranks” to the brutes.

#223 conan on 06.24.20 at 11:42 am

But no, Wynne had to create an entire new bureaucracy controlling the whole shebang top to bottom. The result? Prices were double street prices, sales are slow (duh), and they lost 42 million selling the stuff last year.-IHCTD9

Ummm pretty sure Wynne was going to do it through LCBO, and it is Ford who went with what we have now.

#224 John in Mtl on 06.24.20 at 11:55 am

#212 Ace Goodheart on 06.24.20 at 10:18 am

Wow Ace. I totally agree with mostly all that you have started; was thinking pretty much the same thing now for months. Thanks for articulating this so well for all.

#225 RyYYZ on 06.24.20 at 12:09 pm

#90 Bezengy on 06.23.20 at 5:48 pm
I think a bill should be sent to every taxpayer in Canada to cover this year’s 300 b shortfall. Make it low interest, payable whenever or upon death. That would be behaviour changing.
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Oh, us actual “taxpayers” will definitely be getting a bill. But many of those who have received benefits (I’m fortunate to still be employed, although it does chafe a little to watch people enjoying free time while I’m still working) weren’t net federal taxpayers before, and won’t be now. As usual, the majority of the tax burden is going to fall on the meat of the middle class, the only place where there is enough money for the taking.

Those of us who have been prudent in the past, not taking on too much debt, and actually having enough savings to get by for more than a week, will of course be tapped to make up for the profligacy of others.

#226 Sail away on 06.24.20 at 12:16 pm

#215 MF on 06.24.20 at 10:49 am
204 Sail Away on 06.24.20 at 9:16

Ah no.

225, 300 are common numbers for new cases in the world. The google algo can find articles with that case range easily. Type something more rare like 934 and see if anything shows up.

Neeext.

MF

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Done and the answer is a definitive yes. I googled “934 new cases”. First page results (of 4.6M total):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-county-confirms-6-new-covid-19-cases-bringing-total-to-934/ar-BB14VFUV

https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2020-02-26—cumulative-report-of-934-new-cases-of-new-coronary-pneumonia-in-jiangxi-province-.H1l11rY7VL.html

https://eastcountytoday.net/contra-costa-health-reports-934-coronavirus-cases-28-deaths/

https://www.businessinsider.in/india/news/covid-19-death-toll-rises-to-934-in-country-cases-climb-to-29435-health-ministry/articleshow/75420615.cms

https://thesmartlocal.com/thailand/934-new-cases/

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0OWQGyil/nj-throw-a-big-party-cops-will-charge-you-934-new-covid-19-cases

I’m not sure if any point has been proven here, but Google results for virtually any number return similar. I find this disturbing.

#227 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 12:22 pm

#224 conan on 06.24.20 at 11:42 am

Ummm pretty sure Wynne was going to do it through LCBO, and it is Ford who went with what we have now

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Ummm, nope.

Ford is hopefully doing what should have been done in the first place. Wynne “crafted” what we have right now:

“Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne said her party carefully crafted legal cannabis regulations in the province and it would be reckless for sales to be privatized, as new PC Leader Doug Ford has talked about doing.“

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/doug-ford-marijuana-privatize-reckless-1.4575868

#228 Zapp Brannigan on 06.24.20 at 12:25 pm

#144
” I see why your name isn’t “UBI expert”. The U in UBI stands for UNIVERSAL. If it has a means test then it’s called welfare. What is the point of adding a means test and administrative overhead to UBI? It would defeat the entire purpose. The only exception is that UBI will be slightly increased for women and Canadians of color to offset the patriarchy and systemic racism.”

So an automated (unchecked) system which distributes UBI to everyone equally or universally ..but woman and coloured people get more.

Fortunately I identify as a coloured transgender woman in a wheelchair with 8 kids who grew up on a reserve.. do I get extra for having a service animal?

Thank you UBI expert, I see a bright future ahead.

#229 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 12:28 pm

#223 the Jaguar on 06.24.20 at 11:42 am

Seems like a smart move on Ben Mulroney’s part.
He is still employed by CTV, will be their lead on coveted ‘Red Carpet’ events, and best of all doesn’t have to associate with any backstabbing colleagues like Elaine ‘Lainey’ Liu. Expect interest in ETALK to fall off a cliff. Expect friends and supporters of both Mulroney’s to “close ranks” to the brutes.

Buys him some time until November.

If the democrats win, the movement dies off fast, if not, all bets are off.

If Ben gets kicked off later, Brian can orchestrate a lawsuit that would get settled.

#230 JonBoy on 06.24.20 at 12:32 pm

#95 Flop… on 06.23.20 at 6:06 pm

I reached out to the Mayor of White Settlement, a city near Fort Worth, Texas, but Mr White ( check, I’m not making this stuff up!), was too busy to comment…

M46BC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Settlement,_Texas

P.S, thanks Crowdie, for all your support the last 5 or 6 years.

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I worked in White Settlement for nearly two years in the mid-2000s. Funny thing is, it’s a mostly Hispanic community now, so it is white in name only.

Lockheed Martin has a big plant there, plus a few other decently sized manufacturers (my previous employer being one of them).

#231 Sail away on 06.24.20 at 12:32 pm

#208 IHCTD9 on 06.24.20 at 9:59 am

Just like Wynne in Ontario when weed became legal. They could have easily sold it thru private distribution, or through the existing LCBO at minimal cost.

But no, Wynne had to create an entire new bureaucracy controlling the whole shebang top to bottom. The result? Prices were double street prices, sales are slow (duh), and they lost 42 million selling the stuff last year.

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Yep, sheer idiocy. I don’t know anyone who buys legal weed, since it’s way more complicated and expensive. Lots of friends grow it or buy it from Gooch, though.

Business tip to government: Legalizing and greatly increasing the price of a product that is already fully available through other means does not lead to economic success.

Guess what the government does have a monopoly on?

Oil pipelines

#232 forgotmyusername on 06.24.20 at 12:40 pm

OK. I am slow to ask, but what is the story behind that photo? Is it a jest?

If not, it’s hard to see how it would work. Once the food bowl is filled, the dog can’t carry it away.

#233 MF on 06.24.20 at 12:48 pm

7 Sail away on 06.24.20 at 12:16

I wouldn’t view it disturbing at all.

Google has an incredibly powerful algo that can zero in on key words well, clearly.

When you typed in “trading stocks” (as an example) a thousand times before you just didn’t notice it.

Don’t let the weirdos and nutcases who post here cloud your seemingly sound logic.

MF

#234 Do we have all the facts on 06.24.20 at 12:57 pm

#199 Conan

UBI is a social benefit that falls under the Constitutional jurisdiction of the Provincial and Territorial governments

The Government of Canada could establish legislation that would require Provincial and Territorial governments to meet certain conditions in order to receive Federal funding but the actual transfer of benefits to a Canadian citizens would remain under full Provincial or Territorial control.

Federal government control over UBI would require a Constitutional amendment similar to the amendments to Section 94A of our Constitution passed in 1952 and 1964 allowing the Federal government to administer Pensions and Old Age Security without extinguishing Provincial jurisdiction.

I sincerely doubt the majority of Provincial governments would see any benefit from allowing the Federal government to collect taxes in their Province and transfer the revenue directly to Canadian citizens. All Provincial and Territorial governments have linked social assistance funding to economic/employment initiatives and training. The primary goal is to stimulate economic growth as opposed to supporting the unemployed without conditions.

CERB was an emergency measure and must end when the state of emergency ends. All this chatter about turning CERB into some type of UBI ignores the fact that Canada
was founded as a Confederation that deliberately restricted jurisdiction of the Government of a Canada.

Time to focus on a more realistic subject like economic survival of Canada.

#235 Faron on 06.24.20 at 1:10 pm

#204 Sail Away on 06.24.20 at 9:16 am

#185 Pick any number from 100 to 900 on 06.24.20 at 2:12 am

Yeah, sounds like you guys need to run with this. Totally on to something.

lessee, 190+ countries with regional results, so say 20 regions on average, sampling all population sizes and infection rates, 120 odd days of infection that’s 456000 samples. Typical daily infection rates are in the 500 case sweet spot as a guess. Skewed right because you can’t have negative new cases and the US/Brazil are dumb. I don’t know the dispersion, but probably not far left and a fair bit further right… Carry the three, divide by the boltzmann constant…

Sounds like you guys discovered statistics!

Congratulations.

Scorecard for today:

Pick any number: +4 million pts
Sail Away: +10 pts
Ponzie: +3.14159
Faron: -2000 billion pts.

#236 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 1:18 pm

AAA gone…

#237 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 1:23 pm

@#216 Gravy Tram
“Duh! I never realized till now how frigging stupid you are! You don’t understand what Garth has been writing about for the past decade!”
++++

My my.
Someone needs to reduce their coffee intake.

Live in Halifax do you Gravy?

Hardly a “Major” Canadian Port.

A back water at best if the Navy wasnt stationed there…..and if the HFX Irving Shipyard ever gets fed up with the union bs ……they will relocate either to St John’s or back to Mtl. and turn the HFX yard back into the barely capable maintenance yard it wallowed in for most of the 70’s and 80’s because of the endless union bs games.
Ever been to Montreal? Vancouver?
Those are major Canadian Ports….Halifax’s glory days are long gone.

As for Garths “chirping….
You’re the one chirping.
I was responding to an idiotic comment stating that someone owned a 4 bedrm , 3bthroom house for 190k…
So unless its next to a medical waste dump or it’s an 80 year old bungalow in Easter Passage…….a house for 190k within 100kms of ANY major Canadian city ( Halifax isnt a major city) is about attainable as Trudeau balancing a budget.
Thus.
The statement is as stupid as your comments here.
Vancouver average house price for greaterfools dumb enough to buy is…..$1.1 million, Toronto, even worse.
So ANYONE bragging that they are a financial genius because the were able to buy a house for 190k is an ignorant bragging fool who hasnt been paying attention to the REST of Canada’s real estate values OR they live within whiffing distance of a Hog farm..
Suck it up buttercup, The universe doesnt revolve around the “Major” Canadian port of Halifax …
and you have the deductive, reading and comprehension skills of a retired heavy weight boxer on glue.

#238 Faron on 06.24.20 at 1:23 pm

#234 MF on 06.24.20 at 12:48 pm

7 Sail away on 06.24.20 at 12:16

Don’t let the weirdos and nutcases who post here cloud your seemingly sound logic.

I second that. Disagreements aside, you are way to smart for that one. I guess it shows how easily we are all led when we see things we want to see.

May have to consult with Ponzius and revise scores somewhat.

#239 Felix on 06.24.20 at 1:45 pm

What a despicably revealing photo today.

A line up of useless unemployable mutts, seeking to cash in for their Canine Emergency Response Benefit.

You won’t see cats pulling scams like that. We know how to hunt for our food. CERB is meaningless when you have brains and claws.

#240 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 1:48 pm

#239 Faron

This is a holographic universe, all virtual reality.

#241 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 1:55 pm

#234 MF on 06.24.20 at 12:48 pm
Google has an incredibly powerful algo that can zero in on key words well, clearly.

Let’s fix it for you:
Google has an incredibly powerful algo that can zero YOU in on key words.

https://mindmatters.ai/2019/07/google-engineer-reveals-search-engine-bias/

#242 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 1:56 pm

@# 237 Akashic Record

“AAA gone….”

******

https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/rating#:~:text=DBRS's%20credit%20rating%20for%20Canada,on%20the%20country's%20borrowing%20costs.

Well well well, Trudeau’s grotesque deficit spending is having financial effects already…..and it’s not even July.

I cant wait to see where we are by Christmas as the flu cranks back up and there’s no….mo……munny

#243 Number of cases on 06.24.20 at 2:00 pm

@Sail Away

Actually, it’s very interesting to put in a random number of cases in to Google. You can see by the dates when each of those results were added – this gives you an idea on when those places reached the random number of cases you searched.

#244 Gravy Train on 06.24.20 at 2:13 pm

#238 CEF on 06.24.20 at 1:23 pm
“Suck it up buttercup, […]” I give up, Garth! They’re all yours! Ciao! :P

#245 Long-Time Lurker on 06.24.20 at 2:18 pm

>Escape from Seattle.

Seattle business owner warns city facing ‘mass exodus’ as ‘homeless, drugs and gangs’ take over downtown
By Victor Garcia | Fox News

Seattle business owner: Stores were hurting long before lockdowns and riots

Buki clothing store owner Joey Rodolfo speaks out on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight.’

Seattle business owner Joey Rodolfo told “Tucker Carlson Tonight” Thursday that his city’s troubles began long before demonstrators took over six city blocks and birthed the “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest” (CHOP).

“Tucker, I’ve lived in Seattle for 38 years, for 38 years,” said Rodolfo, an apparel designer and co-founder of the Buki clothing brand. “And [over] the last three years, I’ve seen the crime rate surge. I’ve seen homeless, drugs and gangs take over our downtown. Not to mention the destruction of property.

“It’s happening here in Seattle and with no consequences. We have a judicial system here that is a revolving door. So if you’re a store owner or a restaurant in Seattle, these are very, very difficult times.”

The CHOP group initially sealed off six city blocks near the police department’s East Precinct following protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. On Tuesday, protesters reached an agreement with the city to reduce the occupied area to three blocks and allow greater traffic flow.

“We have reached a point here in Seattle where I call it, we are now a utopian socialist city, honestly, on the backs of all of us, of all outside taxpaying citizens,” Rodolfo said.

“Downtown has been decimated,” he added. “All you see is plywood, particle board. Stores opened up and there is no chance that this town will soon come alive again. Although if you talk to the mayor, she’ll tell you that’s our goal here. But I’ll tell you, this is, you know, things couldn’t get crazier.”

Rodolfo described meeting Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan at a February dinner where he voiced his issues with the city. He claimed that Durkan told him she would include him on a task force.

Rodolfo said he has not heard back from the mayor’s office, despite calling many times.

Carlson asked Rodolfo if he was going to stay in Seattle.

“Speaking for myself and for other friends that have either restaurants or other businesses,” Rodolfo answered, “I can tell you that Seattle is going to experience a mass exodus.”

Rodolfo himself said he planned on moving to Arizona.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joey-rodolfo-seattle-mass-exodus-downtown-decimated

#246 Long-Time Lurker on 06.24.20 at 2:19 pm

>Escape from Seattle.

Due to Seattle’s unrest, billion-dollar investment firm moving to Phoenix

BY PETER SAMORE | JUNE 22, 2020 AT 4:25 AM
UPDATED: JUNE 22, 2020 AT 11:47 AM

PHOENIX — Coronavirus pandemic or not, an investment advisory company is leaving the cultural unrest in Seattle and moving its headquarters to Phoenix’s Camelback Corridor.

” … The unrest that has taken place in the city of Seattle … there is really is not a downtown business community today,” Smead Capital Management, President and CEO Cole Smead told KTAR News 92.3 FM.

Smead said that although taxes in Seattle are lower, candidate recruitment is harder and the cost of living within the city is more expensive than Phoenix.

“We’re hearing rumors of 40-story buildings that will be only 20-percent occupied by October,” Smead said.

“My biggest concern for Seattle was what the business community is going to come back to, and what kind of businesses are going to come back for customers.”

He found that metro Phoenix offers a better quality of life.

“My colleagues can pick the socio-economic rung of life that they want … live their lives, build their households and have a family if they’d like,” Smead said.

“Where we’re coming from just wasn’t like that.”

Smead added his employees will take precautions to protect themselves from COVID-19 during their move.

As of May 31, the firm managed approximately $1.58 billion.

https://ktar.com/story/3321032/due-to-seattles-unrest-billion-dolloar-investment-firm-moving-to-phoenix/

#247 Midnights on 06.24.20 at 2:19 pm

Canada Loses Its AAA Rating
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/canada-loses-its-aaa-rating

#248 Sail away on 06.24.20 at 2:35 pm

248 Midnights on 06.24.20 at 2:19 pm

Canada Loses Its AAA Rating
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/canada-loses-its-aaa-rating

————–

Uh oh. On the slide to junk bond status.

Garth was prescient: “For investors, this means keeping your maple exposure in check.”

#249 TurnerNation on 06.24.20 at 2:37 pm

#209 JB a story that big would have made the news.
What’s your solution? Ban condos? Wear a bio hazard suit in the elevator?

#250 Lambchop on 06.24.20 at 2:38 pm

@ LongTime Lurker

I love Seattle and have been visiting regularly for 20 years. Definitely not the place it used to be. There has been a massive and noticeable decline even in the last 3 years.

Interesting and sad take on what is happening to that city..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

#251 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.24.20 at 2:54 pm

@#245 Gravy Tram
“” I give up, Garth! They’re all yours! Ciao! ”

++++
Buh Bye……

#252 JB on 06.24.20 at 2:58 pm

Interesting little tidbit of data here.

Here is a breakdown of the total cases in Ontario by gender and age:

15,470 people are male.
18,272 people are female.
1,580 people are 19 and under.
9,688 people are 20 to 39.
10,386 people are 40 to 59.
6,542 people are 60 to 79.
5,810 people are 80 and over.

The province notes that not all cases have a reported age or gender.
……………………………………………………………….
Even so without all the points I have been worried about my parents getting COVID and here I’m in a higher bracket than them so it would appear?

#253 Linda on 06.24.20 at 3:17 pm

#190 ‘Dharma’ – :). Karma!

#254 Faron on 06.24.20 at 3:28 pm

#241 akashic record on 06.24.20 at 1:48 pm

#239 Faron

This is a holographic universe, all virtual reality.

Whoa, trippy brah! Human perception is gnar gnar.

#255 David Hawke on 06.25.20 at 9:41 am

#221 MF

Duh! Isn’t that what I said?