Filthy lucre

‘No cash.’

Anti-social signs like that cropped up everywhere after the virus came to town. Just one more way of building walls between people. Masks. Jumping off the sidewalk when someone approaches. Plexiglass shields. Sheltering at home. All of this has created a new reality. Covid, 1. Humanity, 0.

Cash money isn’t exactly social glue, of course, and many doubt its continued existence. But telling people how they must pay for services or goods you sell is a losing strategy for retailers. Besides, it’s just another slice of the dare-I-eat-a-peach world that we now inhabit. Fear rules. We’ll probably live to regret this.

But is cash dangerous? Does it give those nasty invisible bugs a way to leap between humans?

The Bank of Canada says not. Folding money is harmless, we’re told, and has benefits over digital currency. No transaction fees. Private and anonymous. No trail. Always there when the lights go out, the power grid fails and the dog ate your debit card. Plus cash is universal, legal tender everywhere. Not only are retailers wrong to reject it (no right to do so) but not accepting cash disadvantages those who lack the skills or credit to have payment cards.

Health Canada says you’re being an alarmist weenie if you fear cash. Covid is spread by sneezing, spitting, drooling on or smooching others. Not by handling bills or coins, especially if you keep your hands clean. The cash-is-toxic meme is just as ill-founded as the belief you can no longer pet your neighbourhood dog, because she may have germy fur. The WHO agrees. “There is currently no evidence to confirm or disprove that COVID-19 virus can be transmitted through coins or banknotes,” it says.

Now despite this, cash is likely doomed over the long term. The virus will merely speed the process.

Since the pandemic arrived the number of contactless debt card tapped transactions has jumped. Currency e-transfer payments have soared more than 60%. And, of course, credit cards are de rigueur for all of that online shopping we’re doing. About one in 10 Canadians no longer use cash, ever. That’s almost the mirror opposite of Swedes, where 85% of people never use folding money as that country moves to a fully cashless society. But the times are changing. The Canadian Payments Association says the move from paper money to digital transactions is dramatic, as we shop with debit cards, credit cards, e-transfers and the new stuff like Google and Apple pay.

So, no doubt smartphones will eventually replace all else. Then say farewell to emergency readiness and anonymity, while hoping your grid always stays lit.

Meanwhile ‘no cash’ deserves ‘no sale.’

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Almost 750,000 people have asked for their mortgage payments to be deferred. That’s a fifth of all indebted property owners. Astonishing. As you know, these payments are not being waived, but are added onto the debt itself meaning there’s a bigger nut to finance at the next renewal date – when rates are likely to be stiffer than today. Plus interest is accumulating on the deferred payments, further engorging the principal.

The fact people are willing to end up owing more in return for less cash flow today suggests (a) they can’t pay their loan, thanks to the virus (or own too damn much house) or (b) they don’t get it. This is not helping them financially in the long run.

But wait, says this blog dog. There are other reasons which validate not paying the home loan.

“I am one of the over 700,000 Canadians not paying at the moment.  Lately you have been bashing those deferring as not having any savings and just spending on Netflix and N95’s and completely house poor.

We have a home worth about $850k and a $265k mortgage.  $300k invested in a relatively B/D self directed portfolio and $20k in cash. No other debt. Could I pay?  Yes.  But why be in a hurry when money is so cheap?

My reasoning behind not paying is:
1. Our variable rate on the mortgage is 1.45% – why cash in my BMO stock paying me 6.24% divvies to pay down a mortgage at 1.45% (coincidentally with the same bank)
2.  We will be putting a new roof on this summer as well as sending a child off to Uni in September.  If we kept paying the mortgage, by late fall – the cash in the bank might be depleted and we might have to dip into our investments.
Cashing out some of the investments now or in the fall would force us to take a loss.  Should I really have more than $20k in cash and be opting to continue to pay BMO? Not sure you’ll reply but wanted to give you my perspective.  Am I nuts?”

Well, that’s a cogent argument. But let’s not forget a $265,000 mortgage at 1.45% has monthly payments of only a few bucks over $1,000. Cheap. And most of that is principal repayment. So six months of deferral will save you six grand, but increase the outstanding amount to more than $270,000, plus interest.

Besides, if you have a portfolio of dividend-payers, that income stream alone should be enough to make home loan payments. The overall point: with a mortgage carrying a rate that’s historically low – less than inflation – meaning a huge chunk of the monthly is debt repayment, (and we know rates will rise when the recovery comes) why not take advantage of this to trash the loan? Why not just put your kid on the Trudeau Dole? Sheesh – get with the program.

Funeral procession in Toronto, Friday, for 54-year old Covid victim.

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Remember when I said this was not a virus blog?

I lied. Everything is virus now. We are obsessed. Overwhelmed. Immersed. Inundated. Drowning in Covid-19 coverage. So it’s time this pathetic blog jumped the shark and got right into it.

Here it is. The Virus survey nobody else has had the courage (or stupidity) to publish.


Survey period has now closed.

263 comments ↓

#1 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 2:23 pm

Canada economy will lag as humanity here is pretty much done for. The mind virus took root and people beg for their enslavement.

When you talk to people about getting back to normal they say not now.
You ask them, Do you know anyone who is sick? Silence.
Then they enthusiastically bob their head and state: Well we all could be sick!

– Really. The first time in human history whereby a flu virus renders everyone presumed sick. That’s right if you are totally healthy, zero symptoms, you are sick, such that you must wait outside in the cold in long lines for food stores; that all cultural and social events are banned; assembly is banned; kids cannot play with each other; most travel/borders are banned. Even wearing the scientifically proven protective gear you cannot see or comfort a sick or dying relative.
In most places preventative medical care is not available, allowing cancers and such to take root. This is not about science. There is no reproducable method involved.

Our elites took over the globe with a “novel” Crown virus. A novel indeed. People are enthralled with this story, they live it and dress up in medical gear, playing their part/role; stores and public places resemble hospital wards.

>>I can tell you this social control method of distancing is not going away, it’s been structurally built in to many physical places. This will be well into 2021 if not 2022. This is the ‘Compliance and Re-programming phase’. It must run for at least a year, people will simply give up their ideals – about cultural and social events, school, sports, travel, medical freedom.
***This is scientifically proven mind control. *** There is a known and repeatable method. This is what our leaders mean when they say ‘science’ will be involved.
Prisoners eventually adapt to their life of lockdown, some even cannot make it on the outside once released and commit crime again such that are are locked back up. That is a fact.

#2 Leftover on 05.15.20 at 2:27 pm

Since this is a real estate not a virus blog, what can you say about CREA’s glum admission today that the market shrank by nearly 60% in April?

What they really don’t want to admit is that many realtors themselves are active in the market as speculators and landlords.

So their incomes just tanked and many can’t collect any rent. This will last for several months, maybe years. Yikes.

Pent-up demand you say?

#3 Interstellar Old Yeller on 05.15.20 at 2:28 pm

Yeah, everything is virus now. And has been for a while.

At least I’ve baked a few really excellent things in the meantime. Scones, anyone?

#4 FreeBird on 05.15.20 at 2:33 pm

Questions I said should be asked in a recent comment. Good to see a poll on them.
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Another good issue to cover: US mortgage deferral could get you ‘scarlet letter’ note on comment section.

In Canada protection of credit rating is in hands of mortgage lender/bank. Don’t take word of client service rep and wait min 30 days before checking w/Equifax or TransUnion (both have free options). Some banks will flag one month deferral as late pyt.

https://www.thestar.com/business/personal_finance/2020/03/30/prevent-your-credit-score-from-diving-during-covid-19.html

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/forbearance-becomes-a-scarlet-letter-on-credit-reports/

#5 cramar on 05.15.20 at 2:35 pm

Looks like the form will not let me submit, and its looks like the reason is that I have to leave Q3 blank. It does not apply to me.

Working on it! – Garth

#6 YVR Expat on 05.15.20 at 2:36 pm

2008 Financial Crisis: wiped out the hopes and dreams of millennial’s turning them into a lonely, nihilistic generation jealous and spiteful of the life boomers got to live.

2020 COVID19 Crisis: wiped out the hopes and dreams of GenZ, turning them into a broken and lost generation that is perhaps the most disconnected generation in history. But hey, GenZ women all seem to have booming careers with their OnlyFans accounts selling their most valuable asset, youth, to the masses of lonely men with with spare cash all over the globe. GenZ men on the other hand….well, at least PornHub is free…and now you know why incels are a growing phenomenon.

Welcome to the Thunderdome.

#7 FreeBird on 05.15.20 at 2:36 pm

Science on virus on money (little to no risk)…

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_Coronavirus_be_Spread_via_Banknotes_Cash_Money

#8 Felix on 05.15.20 at 2:39 pm

Thank you to today’s blog for pointing out yet again, as if it was needed, the uselessness of canines:

“.. the dog ate your debit card”

“…you can no longer pet your neighbourhood dog, because she may have germy fur”

“Covid is spread by sneezing, spitting, drooling on or smooching others” (do dogs do anything else?)

And then the picture today: a filthy, useless mutt abandoning its responsibility to lead a child to safety because he’s lazy, a child now who is about to be washed out to sea to drown.

#9 Mr Canada on 05.15.20 at 2:45 pm

Survey Q3 should have a “n/a” option.

In other news, people are allowing fear to take over their lives, enraged and calling the local toll free line on people not social distancing on sidewalks, parks, by law officers with measuring tapes on dog leashes etc. My town of Oakville, pop 200,000 – headline news “surge of 7 new Covid cases, new total of 187 cases!” — do the math.

But the virtuous say if we did not take these drastic measures, it would be a disaster of course. Yet, up to 80% of our deaths are in Long Term Care Homes, thanks to horrible practices and government mandated standards of care which get little outrage from the population, unless you are in a park.

#10 Cashless Steerage on 05.15.20 at 2:47 pm

Haven’t used cash in 25 years……

#11 Drew on 05.15.20 at 2:48 pm

That blog dog is being strategic to keep cash around and understands how the loan works.

Most own too damn much house and don’t get it. When the deferrals started I remember a big fuss made over the fact the payments weren’t dropped but moved to the end

#12 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 2:49 pm

Remember when I said this was not a virus blog?

I lied. Everything is virus now.

Garth
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Lied?

I’ve already informed Bandit….still trying to get hold of Dorothy.

#13 JohnSaccy on 05.15.20 at 2:51 pm

Something to infuriate Tax Payers.

From a government employee in Ottawa (moi):

With hardly any output from normal work (stay at home) during daytime, many public servants are “volunteering” for CoVid related initiatives loan program, travel info etc during evenings. They are getting paid 1.5 times for that work in addition to normal work day salary.

Talk about tax payers getting creamed all the way! No wonder there is anger on the streets by those who care.

#14 JacqueShellacque on 05.15.20 at 2:53 pm

Death can come at any time and in many forms. But what I really fear is growing old in a stagnant, indebted, unstable society where government is everywhere but does nothing, and I can’t go anywhere or do anything.

#15 NewWest on 05.15.20 at 2:53 pm

I know for me, who usually pays in cash, etransfers and credit card payments have become a necessity to replace activities that have been cancelled and build a pleasant life under these circumstances.

I just did an online yoga class with an instructor on the island, paid by etransfer. Music lessons now online with my teacher, paid by etransfer. CSA box that I start picking up in June paid by etransfer. Sharing a Costco run with one of my kids this weekend, which will be paid by etransfer.

This is how it is now; too many people irrationally afraid of ridiculous things, because that is how human beings behave. I think we’ve gone way too far with the fear and paranoia, but if using electronic transfers makes people feel better and if it means I can help keep local businesses and services going, I’ll do it.

#16 Toronto_CA on 05.15.20 at 2:53 pm

Sorry Garth – continuing the convo as you posted a new one. Hope this isn’t disallowed, but since it’s a virus blog now..

#264 Faron on 05.15.20 at 2:16 pm
In the mean time given the explosive viral growth in China, then Italy then Iran then New York should we have just done nothing?

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Not enough time in the day to go through it all; but stop the straw man. You’re better than that. No one said “do nothing”. That’s stupid.

A rationale balanced approach on tracing, tracking, testing, ramping up for covid-19 cases in hospitals with proper PPE and getting extra ICU beds – yes yes yes.

Telling people to social distance as much as possible, wash their hands, act like a very, very bad flu season is upon us? – yes yes yes.

Protect the heck out of nursing homes / care homes with strict quarantines in place? Testing like crazy here and ensuring as much as possible the virus isn’t getting to these people? Yes! 1000 times yes.

Telling everyone regardless of health they’re under effective house arrest and must shut their businesses down completely unless it is deemed “essential”? Forcing millions of healthy people to stay indoors without access to proper exercise (as was done in Spain and France and other countries)? No one allowed to see people outside their immediate household, not best friends? Not even family?

Here is where I think the government went too long too far, and should stop going down this path ASAP. They have and are backing off.
Now back to the story:

Sweden simply took the decision that the likelihood of vaccine being produced quickly (if at all) was low so they needed a sustainable approach to the virus that balanced the freedom of their people, their economy, healthcare capacity and the number of deaths.

They made a big mistake like many countries in failing to protect care homes and that has skewed their figures badly.

The sustainability of this over a long period is key to them. They are fairly clear that lockdowns and in particular the threat of repeated lockdowns is not sustainable for them. Given that’s their policy if they’re managing to mitigate deaths with the measures they’re taking, not overwhelm their healthcare capacity and keeping their economy afloat the Swedish policy is working for them.

Hope you (Faron) have a good long weekend.
PS Q3 needs an n/a option

#17 Steve on 05.15.20 at 2:54 pm

Finally here on a Survey Day, and I cannot answer accurately.

Answer to 2 was NO, but I am forced to answer 3 anyways, so picked Recovered…

#18 Patrick on 05.15.20 at 2:57 pm

Something ripped through our household in mid-late January. Four kids, two adults. We had it all.. the dry cough, odd fever that lasted longer than normal. As is common sense- we had the kids out of school for a week each while they recovered. One child developed the rash on the legs. Strangest thing. Didn’t test though… didn’t exist.

A few months later the world started figuring out this thing was everywhere.

Verifiable by testing – had a colleague who had it and recovered.

I dunno – we are so far behind on controlling complex biologics- it is sad to watch the system collapse for wont of trying.

#19 Tater on 05.15.20 at 2:59 pm

I have a friend who has been fighting for his life against the virus. Early 40s, no underlying health issues, a month in a coma and a number of permanent effects.

Am I afraid to catch it? Tough question. I’ve been going to the office most days, but I drive rather than take transit and 90% of our people are not here. So, I take some precautions but haven’t turned my life upside down.

#20 Lambchop on 05.15.20 at 2:59 pm

Excellent! This will be interesting.

I have been taking informal polls for weeks and have not encountered a single person who has knowingly had covid or knows anyone personally that had it.

I think I had it in February but not confirmed via testing.

#21 down and out on 05.15.20 at 2:59 pm

Gee after 20 years of annual flu shots you think a person would be immune to viruses now another shot for covid 19 I am not an anti-vaxer but how much can my immune system take .

#22 cto on 05.15.20 at 3:00 pm

Garth
As a result of the BOC actions, demonstrating to every living being that they will NEVER raise interest rates again as long as this generation is alive! Every mortgage holder knows this,…so why pay when rates will be “0” until 2050!

Thanks for the legacy Poloz

#23 Wkg on 05.15.20 at 3:00 pm

I guess the wild card in the mortgage deferral scenario is how secure is Bmo dividend. For now it is safe, but one thing is undeniable. We are all headed for a lower living standard thanks to our progressive snowflake we call a pm, and Canadians love of debt and socialism.
How long until this ends up affecting banks liquidity, l don’t know, but yields north of six percent make me nervous, and investing in Canada makes me nervous

#24 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 3:01 pm

COVID 19 (2.0)

For those paying attention…( you will notice global medical/political choir singing from same basic play book )..

Gov’t’s will throttle back the “fear porn”, but logically they cannot let go of the leash…for various reasons (such as torches and pitchforks).

People will be allowed by Big Brother to vent a bit by a limited return from old norm to “NEW NORM”. ..ie bars and restaurants @50% capacity.

But Wait !!!!
We will have a “resurgence”
ie(Gov’t = see ,we told you ).

Here in BC a senior’s home in Langley had the all clear..now COVID 19 has allegedly come back.

Next up ?
= ” CONTACT TRACING “..Google it.

#25 Figure it Out on 05.15.20 at 3:02 pm

“and we know rates will rise when the recovery comes”

Taxes won’t be increased. There is NO agreement across the political spectrum, here or anywhere else, for the kind of huge infrastructure programs that would put people to work and increase the velocity of money. Governments will do just enough to keep the masses from starving and revolting. If the last decade was Secular Stagnation the First, the next will be The Sequel, now with Extra Partisan Sniping. Mark it Zero.

Early Christians were pretty sure the rapture was right around the corner, too. 100 generations later, and counting.

#26 the Jaguar on 05.15.20 at 3:04 pm

There will always be those who benefit from cash ( like drug dealers or people who sell goods and services under the radar) and those with business interests that are best served by digital means, which includes Banks who like to keep their vaults as lean as possible when it comes to physical $$$$. I just like to keep my options open. I also enjoy watching Millennials trying to make change.

I may as well just put it out there: I have been petting the usual suspects (neighbourhood cats) since the crisis began and have no intention of stopping this behaviour. Just because some tiger at a zoo in the bronx caught Covid is no reason for me or my enchanting little feline friends to be deprived of our friendship. It’s harder to pet someone’s dog these days given the level of paranoia, but I would do that as well if I could get away with it. None of the cat owners who have observed me interacting with their pets have expressed concern. This may have something to do with my aristocratic appearance.
The overriding principle should really revolve around kindness and compassion. A little more compassion would be nice this long weekend given we are all asked to stay home as much as possible. I refer of course to the people who view their power tools as an extension of their manlihood. Leaf blowers, power washers, weed wackers, band saws. All a blight on ones nerves and the peace of neighbourhood surroundings. Try a broom with some earbuds. You might find yourself dancing like Fred Astaire before you know it.

#27 Handsome Ned on 05.15.20 at 3:08 pm

It is a good thing they are considering eliminating cash. If I am holding a yard sale and you want to give me a loonie for a poker playing dog picture how can I be sure of your social credit status? With a scannable implant I can withhold the purchase if it shows you are a climate denier or cat lover. Another plus is the government will be assured of the hst…win win.

#28 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:10 pm

DON’T COME TO COTTAGE COUNTRY!

IT’S JUST COMMON SENSE!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/please-stay-home-town-locals-across-canada-urge-tourists-not-to-visit-this-long-weekend-1.4940555

https://globalnews.ca/news/6949219/may-long-weekend-cottage-visits/

https://www.cp24.com/news/de-villa-urges-toronto-residents-to-skip-the-cottage-this-long-weekend-1.4940106

Got it?

DON’T BE A SELFISH SOUTHERN HILLBILLY DOUCHEBAG!

Just.

Stay.

Home.

(Besides, the weather is gonna suck anyway)

#29 Mehdi on 05.15.20 at 3:11 pm

Hey Garth!
Was right on time for the vote this time ;-)

#30 I’m stupid on 05.15.20 at 3:16 pm

2 things to say today.

1. Commercial leases. Should a business be liable to pay rent during a shut down? My first impression would be yes but thinking about it a little bit the answer isn’t so simple.

Think about this for a second; if the business isn’t allowed by law to operate (as is the case for many business right now) wouldn’t it be the same as if the unit not being available? Could I lease out a space I don’t have? Why would the business leasing the space be liable to pay rent on a unit that the government deemed not available? Should it be the owner who incurred the loss? The same as if it was vacant? Any attorneys here willing to respond?

2. 505 Adalade st. It’s a residential commercial mixed property currently under construction. Well the investor has abandoned plans to finish the commercial section. I smell big trouble there.

#31 Steven Nicolle on 05.15.20 at 3:19 pm

I had to answer the last two questions yes because I live with cancer. I have a rare one Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. The odds of getting this is 1/10th of 1% of the population. So if I got this my chances of getting Co-vid with my luck would be greater. Haha

#32 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 3:20 pm

Keep an eye on your travel rights. All cities must roll this out before 2021. That was one angle of the shutdown. Slowly eliminating cars in cities; trains and Greyhound busses are cancelled. And #stayhome from the Cottage too.
This is “temporary” they say.

https://torontostoreys.com/toronto-quiet-streets-opening/

“As part of the City’s ActiveTO plan, the City will install 57 kilometres of ‘quiet streets’ in different neighbourhoods where traffic calming measures, including signage and temporary barricades, will be erected to encourage drivers to slow down and create a roadway that “welcomes people who walk, run and bike.””

#33 Carole on 05.15.20 at 3:22 pm

In our small food business we’ve been very happy going cashless recently.

We had thousands of dollars tied up in floats. Now it’s paid down debt.

We needed 3+ runs to the bank weekly to make deposits and get fives and twonies.

We are never over/under in our cash drawers. Staff are more of a team as they don’t worry about moral hazard falling on them.

The till area is way cleaner now. Smaller space with no cash drawer.

Staff leave 5 minutes after locking up instead of 20 minutes or even 30 if they feel the need to count the cash drawer twice if they were off by $1.

No cash means less chance of misbehavior on the part of owners/managers. I believe our chances of being audited have dropped considerably.

Finally, staff feel safer from both covid and robbery. Counting up at the end of day is no longer something that makes staff feel anxious about a targeted robbery.

#34 Trojan House on 05.15.20 at 3:23 pm

#19 Tater on 05.15.20 at 2:59 pm

Hopefully your friend makes out okay. Even seemingly healthy people will sometimes succumb to illnesses for one reason or another I suppose.

However, if he is on a ventilator, it may be a good idea to take him off it as it looks like ventilators cause more problems than help solve.

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

#35 Heading to the Cottage! on 05.15.20 at 3:29 pm

Got the kids and the family all packed up and heading out to the Cottage!
Second weekend in a row! Looking forward to it!

#36 Deplorable Dude on 05.15.20 at 3:29 pm

I love Apple Pay. Been using it for 6 months now. Still get folks looking at me in amazement at the checkout when I just wave my iphone near the terminal to pay. Don’t even have to touch the terminal. Way more secure than using actual cards. Can’t be scimmed or have your card # stolen as it’s not used in the transaction.

#37 Ace Goodheart on 05.15.20 at 3:29 pm

UK just shut down their Nightingale hospitals as the COVID patients never showed up.

Toronto has yet to use up all of its hospital capacity. Plenty of ventilators to go around, not enough patients.

Everyone in Toronto believes that they:

1. Are going to get COVID.

2. When they do get it, they will be hospitalised with the rare form that causes pneumonia.

3. After hospitalisation, they will slowly decline, to the point they can no longer breathe, and they will die alone, their friends and relatives not even able to come to see them take their last breath.

4. The above is inevitable and will happen to all of us. It is just a matter of time. You can run but you cannot hide.

The reality is rather different. Recent numbers coming out, now that we have more wide spread testing, show a 0.4% death rate, and show that more than 85% of people who test positive don’t even display symptoms.

Oh well.

This is the danger of social media combined with sensationalist journalism during the outbreak of a new virus.

#38 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:30 pm

The Mayor of Muskoka was on City News this morning.

He pointed out that many local retailers won’t even open until Tuesday or later.

For those now open, including food, drugstores, gas, convenience and others, visitors should understand that the lines will be long.

“Expect to wait 3-5 hours or longer in the line”

Does that sound like a smart way to spend a rainy weekend?

NO.

STAY AWAY!

Just.

Stay.

Home.

#39 Captain Uppa on 05.15.20 at 3:31 pm

All I know is that Kia has crazy good deals right now and I will pounce.

#40 Overheardyou on 05.15.20 at 3:34 pm

#16 Overheardyou on 05.13.20 at 3:17 pm

An expiring lease, by law, becomes month-to-month in duration. It does not end the tenancy. – Garth

I’m a little late but thank you for clearing that up Mr. Garth!

#41 mike from mtl on 05.15.20 at 3:40 pm

My employer of ~50k has confirmed (and recovering well) cases that you count on two hands.

Overreaction is an understatement.

Vast majority of cases and deaths are in LTC facilities and similar institutions, yet we’re treated like lepers buying milk and eggs. Yes the situation can get out of control and those facilities are in dire need of a cleaning of house. But seriously at this point the lockdowns are accomplishing nothing other than delaying the inevitable?

That or the gobberment is seriously going to be enforcing this for possibly years?

#42 Adam on 05.15.20 at 3:40 pm

“dare-I-eat-a-peach”

You a T.S. Eliot fan?

#43 Lance Boyle on 05.15.20 at 3:41 pm

Most of the survey questions cannot be answered accurately with a simple yes or no. Take Q1 to Q3, for example. I and some other family members were sick with something in March and had unusual symptoms. We recovered quickly from the worst of them, but others persisted for a month and some still reoccur. None of us were sick enough to qualify for a Covid-19 test, so we can’t say whether we’ve had it or not.
I suspect that we did have it because we all got sick around the same time as a close friend of mine (52 years old) who came down with the “classic” Covid-19 symptoms of fever, dry cough, and shortness of breath. But even he doesn’t know if he had it. He called BC’s 811 Healthline and they sent him to the emergency department of the local hospital, where they deemed him not sick enough to admit him or even test him (tests were in shorter supply then) and sent him home to self quarantine for 14 days. He got better and returned to work, but two days ago, shortly after arriving at work, he passed out and couldn’t be revived by his co-workers. They called 911 and the first responders found that his blood pressured was dangerously low. He was taken to the hospital and they checked him over thoroughly, but couldn’t find the cause of the low BP. They also did a Covid-19 test, which was negative, but this doesn’t mean that he didn’t have it in March. Interestingly, they did find that he still had inflammation in his lungs and told him to go home and self quarantine for 10 days this time, even though the C-19 test was negative.
BTW, the father of one of his co-workers actually had Covid-19 and died from it. So I do know someone who knows someone whose close family member succumbed to it, but would still have to answer no to Q4.
As for Q5 and Q6, my answer would depend on what you mean by “fear.” Does the possibility of being infected with Covid-19 leave me quaking in my boots, afraid to leave my home or touch anything without donning a hazmat suit first? No. But fear also can be used idiomatically to mean worry that something bad or unpleasant might happen, and one would have to be a Covidiot of the first order not to worry at all about being infected by this novel coronavirus. Its effects on people now and in the future just aren’t known, but it does seem to have some nasty effects on people, not all of whom are (or were) elderly or ill to begin with.

#44 Faron on 05.15.20 at 3:41 pm

16 Toronto_CA on 05.15.20 at 2:53 pm

I also posted in the previous, but will do so here too just in case. Sorry Garth.

I think we agree more than not and in person would have a civil conversation. Let’s revisit this 7 months down the road (if the virus hasn’t eaten the internet by then) when we know more and may even have effective treatment.

The behavioural economist Richard Thaler has noted that the human psyche emphasizes the negative about 10 to 1 over the positive. To people like me, that overemphasis gets placed on perceived or real viral danger. For others it gets placed on the perceived or real economic danger. These are both deeply held ideological beliefs that have a disconnect that is very hard to surmount.

Hope you as well have a good long weekend.

#45 WAKEUP on 05.15.20 at 3:47 pm

What’s going on isn’t about the Covid 19, Corona Virus.

Never has a vaccine been developed that prevents respiratory symptoms.
And the Covid 19, Corona Virus has mutated dozens of times, some virologists say hundreds.

Do you understand this?

There’s no way they can make a vaccine for a constantly changing virus.
That’s why they have never created a vaccine for the common cold, also a corona Virus.

Trump said yesterday that the US Army plus another Government branch will be part of the vaccination process.

Bill Gates said he need immunity against financial liability because the vaccine would adversely affect 750 thousand people.

What’s going on is not about the Virus.
The Virus is only a catalyst.

This is not going to end well, the rubber has hit the road.
People should digest the situation and make plans for very tough times ahead.
There’s a point where the bailout cash well is going to run dry and the bills will continue to come.

This Virus continues to mutate, new symptoms are arising, it’s never gone away.
It’s still out there, nothings changed.

Get prepared.

#46 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:49 pm

The Mayor of Muskoka was on City News this morning.

He pointed out that many local retailers won’t even open until Tuesday or later.

For those now open, including food, drugstores, gas, convenience and others, visitors should understand that the lines will be long.

“Expect to wait 3-5 hours or longer in the line”

(That’s a direct quote)

Does that sound like a smart way to spend a rainy weekend?

NO.

STAY AWAY!

Just.

Stay.

Home.

#47 FreeBird on 05.15.20 at 3:53 pm

#9 Mr Canada on 05.15.20 at 2:45 pm
My town of Oakville, pop 200,000 – headline news “surge of 7 new Covid cases, new total of 187 cases!” — do the math.

But the virtuous say if we did not take these drastic measures, it would be a disaster of course. Yet, up to 80% of our deaths are in Long Term Care Homes, thanks to horrible practices and government mandated standards of care which get little outrage from the population, unless you are in a park.
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Agreed 100% (our public kid’s areas have police tape on them.) I did math in comment this week for Pbo, Ont:
pop’n 84,200 (2017), ‘confirmed’ cases: 73 (as of today), tested: >6250, Resolved: 67, Deaths: 2*

*Note on stats: Deaths indicate cases testing positive where COVID-19 may or MAY NOT have been cause of death.

More things to ask (maybe Garth will): does above caveat in stats for deaths apply to all of Canada? If yes, what’s real # of deaths directly from virus? Why not one positive lab result in media w/real time swab test with the world press ‘reporting’ on a global pandemic and lockdown and so many famous on social media (showing every other part of their life) claiming to be infected? Not ONE? Just asking. I’ll be asking other places. I keep track of comments to see what if any rxn they get. Other half reads all of them after posting to see if they get ‘moderated’ or if I get accused of helping dangerous conspiracy theories. Funny.

Ontario: cases 22,180 (incl ‘missed’ conveniently after reopening plan announced)
Deaths 1825

Like Garth and others here have said…do the math. Please. Ask yourself things media and your trusted politicians aren’t…same ones visiting their cottage, traveled on planes together (w/nannies, EAs plus other staff no doubt), took selfies at food banks w/o masks, gloves and hugging workers etc.

#48 conan on 05.15.20 at 3:53 pm

#18 Patrick on 05.15.20 at 2:57 pm
Something ripped through our household in mid-late January. Four kids, two adults. We had it all.. the dry cough, odd fever that lasted longer than normal.

We had that as well and people I know in Manitoba had it two weeks before….. I wonder sometimes if that was Covid. Sounds strange to say, I know.

#49 Phil on 05.15.20 at 3:54 pm

Re your virus survey Garth:
Have I been infected with the virus?
Dunno, haven’t been tested.
Most people have no symptoms “they” say.
Family member? Ditto!

#50 Paul on 05.15.20 at 3:56 pm

Just saying, I have family, friends and clients from all different walks across Canada. Most have more contacts on media than I can count not one has said they have been touched by this in a physical way. Thank goodness.

#51 Jimers on 05.15.20 at 3:57 pm

I Wear My Face Mask in the Car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDXG-dHugc

#FaceMaskInTheCar

#52 Nuf said on 05.15.20 at 3:59 pm

Garth — you are right that most people will recover from SARS-COV-2 without much ill effect.

As a ‘front-line’ worker who has seen how devastating this virus can be, however, I think you are wrong to label the fear as overblown.

We have not done the legwork to build an effective contact-tracing apparatus. We do not have rapid broadly accessible testing. The supply of PPE remains tenous (in Ontario, at least).

The danger of a second wave is very real and caution is very much warranted.

Thanks for your fantastic blog. I remain confused about REITs… do I buy because they are on sale? Or avoid because the office-tour elevator has become a plague-pit? :)

On fear, I have not said it’s overblown, but that governments/media have instilled panic in the populace. As for REITs, they’re on sale and buy-worthy. The towers will not empty, just change. – Garth

#53 Ejy on 05.15.20 at 4:00 pm

Finally, a real survey, unlike the BC Gov one which just puts qs to confirm Covid is so terible.

#54 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 4:05 pm

#32 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 3:20 pm
Keep an eye on your travel rights. All cities must roll this out before 2021. That was one angle of the shutdown. Slowly eliminating cars in cities; trains and Greyhound busses are cancelled. And #stayhome from the Cottage too.
This is “temporary” they say.

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Yeah..”HI …I”M FROM GOV’T AND HERE TO HELP YOU”

I’ve noticed this trend as well…here in Lower Mainland.
Sounds like AGENDA 21/30 by a different venue.

City of Vancouver apparently had $40 Million set aside to reduce vehicular capacity on Granville Bridge….the previous “VISION” party had infected the city with all sorts of anti-vehicle measures such as bike lanes
( reduces parking for cars).

Now..with COVID 19….the Trojan Horse is

” hey…with social distancing…howzabout we allow restaurants etc. to have tables literally on sidewalks..even on street “…..
(which of course will impact vehicle parking).

End Game ?
…..the vehicle is one of your last venues/expressions for physical freedom…Canadian columnist George Jonas had an excellent article about this 20+years ago. If this option is lost..Big Brother has you under even greater control.

Watch out, potential suckers….don’t make a deal with the devil…there is NO free lunch.

#55 FreeBird on 05.15.20 at 4:08 pm

#31 Steven Nicolle on 05.15.20 at 3:19 pm
I had to answer the last two questions yes because I live with cancer. I have a rare one Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. The odds of getting this is 1/10th of 1% of the population. So if I got this my chances of getting Co-vid with my luck would be greater. Haha
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Rare AI disease/chronic illness are a tough DX to get esp yours. Just think of it as being an ‘enigma’ or rare like a vintage wine or car find. LOL. I say this w/respect and empathy. Also tell yourself you don’t want or need the lesson of anything else. Hope you enjoy the sun and warm air this weekend and many ones to come!

#56 Sail away on 05.15.20 at 4:08 pm

Had a medical doctor client come by for a meeting today about an engineering project. We both agreed the Corvid was a non-issue, shook hands, and got down to business.

Shook hands when finished with the meeting as well. So things are looking up. Not everyone has lost their mind.

He was also an expat like myself. Italian, ironically, haha.

#57 Lisa on 05.15.20 at 4:13 pm

Been thinking about this a lot lately. I am not afraid to die. But I would feel terrible guilt if I were responsible for the death or serious illness of someone else.

#58 WAKEUP on 05.15.20 at 4:14 pm

I’m a fan of cash so don’t misinterpret my intent.
But the statement that the Virus can’t live on cash is untrue.

This Corona Virus can live on surfaces for days, integrity of the surface plus other factors depict for how long.

Bills and coins have surfaces.
Loads of information out there.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2020/4/2/1_4880097.html

I guess you know more that the World Health Organization, then. – Garth

#59 Doug t on 05.15.20 at 4:15 pm

FREEDOM – its becoming a thing of the past. Once society goes cashless we are pooched – you will be monitored by every electronic source possible – smartphone, tablet, credit cards, debit, cctv, AI etc – the system will watch everyone and make sure you are a good little puppet until the day you die. They don’t want you to be FREE – they want you to conform and tow the line. Next on their checklist is obtaining samples of everyone’s DNA (for your own good they will say) – once you have lost your freedom as a living human being what do you have?

#60 Rico on 05.15.20 at 4:15 pm

What a dumb survey.
“this parachute is slowing my descent so obviously I never needed a parachute”.
Theoretically you understand exponential growth.
Theoretically you understand that unchecked exponential growth of the infected will overwhelm our medical system.
Theoretically you understand that once the curve is flattened we must still limit contact to ensure that we don’t overwhelm our medical system.
Check slide 20 of this B.C. presentation:
https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/Covid-19_May4_PPP.pdf

Contacts at 60% of normal = good
Contacts at 80% of normal = bad

Simple enough?

How is data a bad thing? This is how you get some. – Garth

#61 Dead Cat Bounce on 05.15.20 at 4:16 pm

Cash has always been King ! Trudeau trying to destroy everything that’s great about Canada… Very sad !

M57BC

#62 Jimers on 05.15.20 at 4:16 pm

9 conan on 05.15.20 at 3:53 pm
#18 Patrick on 05.15.20 at 2:57 pm

-Same here, no test so cant say for sure.

#63 Mattl on 05.15.20 at 4:16 pm

Cash is inconvenient and expensive for merchants and consumers. Businesses today that are cash heavy / cash only are using it in most cases to avoid tax obligations.

And as a consumer I love that I can track, trend, and chart all of my spending. Tools like MINT were game changers for me.

I get that a few dinosaurs still want to use it. People would still pay with cheques if merchants would accept them…. but no one would argue there should be wide acceptance of personal cheques.

I say good riddance, if the best argument for cash is the grid may go down, not sure how much value cash will be. I’d suggest a generator.

#64 Boring 30 something on 05.15.20 at 4:17 pm

I think it might be good to know if the person you know who had it died. My family has been lucky but I know a friend’s parent died. I live in Montreal and the amount of ambulances I hear/see on my walks has increased significantly.

#65 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 4:18 pm

I just read the entry. I paid cash last night, I paid cash this morning elsewhere. Next week I will pay yet again elsewhere, cash.
They all say Cash or Debit. Small places family owned. Cash is King!
Location: Toronto

#66 Doug in London on 05.15.20 at 4:19 pm

On the question of are you afraid of dying from COVID 19, I said yes. Why? Statistically I’m far more likely to survive it, but have heard of others who died in my age group of late 50s so it is a real risk. That doesn’t stop me from getting out rather than sitting at home all the time. If the truth is known, my risk of catching COVID 19 and dying from it is offset by the much lower risk of getting hit by a car while out biking as there is much less traffic.

Is cash dirty? The truth is, if you’re out shopping you’re just as likely to pick up this virus from surfaces like door handles. Remember what Teresa Tam and others in health care have told us, wash your hands when you’ve been out and don’t touch your face.

Last but not least, take advice from comedian Mark Critch who said: If you want to avoid infection don’t touch your face. If you want to preserve your sanity don’t touch your Facebook page.

#67 Leichendiener on 05.15.20 at 4:23 pm

Read Eric Hoskins’, a medical doctor, public health specialist and former health minister for Ontario, article in the Globe and Mail today, May 15th. The article is titled “Could COVID-19 be less lethal than we thought?”.

Stay stupid.

#68 Brian Ripley on 05.15.20 at 4:28 pm

April 28, 2020 “34 vulnerable countries could see 1 Billion cases of COVID-19, prolonging pandemic”
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/34-vulnerable-countries-could-see-1b-cases-of-covid-19-prolonging-pandemic-1.4916388
“New analysis from the International Rescue Committee (IRC) suggests that 34 at-risk countries could be decimated by COVID-19 with anywhere from 500 million to 1 billion infections and 1.7 million to 3.2 million deaths.”

May 13, 2020 “Record death tolls in Mexico and Brazil add to fears of Covid-19 surge in Latin America”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/brazil-mexico-coronavirus-pandemic-latin-america
“In Brazil …the president, Jair Bolsonaro, has dismissed the virus as “a little flu”

Hey Covid 9 skeptics and conspiracy pushers… this virus is not just “a little flu”.

This is a GLOBAL pandemic. Start thinking of what that scale means and what H. Sapiens have to do strategically to prevent reoccurrence in your little place in the world.

This is not a local event.

ps… Garth I did not participate in today’s polling because I could not answer the questions with confidence. February 29, 2020 I was at a funeral service (celebration of life) and was in a closed confined area with common ventilation in a crowd of about 75-100 people (hugging and in your face contact) half of whom were from the U.S., mostly the east coast where it was hit hard by travelers from Europe. My little home unit of 3 people were all at the Celebration of Life and we all have had Covid 19 symptoms since, but we are all asymptomatic now. We would like to be tested to see if we have been infected and have developed antibodies; this is not possible yet in my locale. Our strategy which we can afford to do, is to eat a healthy diet and exercise everyday and we all work from home.

So have I been infected with Covid 19? I don’t know, I wish I knew. Will I continue to wear a mask and plastic face shield when I do my weekly food shop so that I hopefully don’t infect others? Yes.

#69 WAKEUP on 05.15.20 at 4:33 pm

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#70 LP on 05.15.20 at 4:34 pm

re Last 2 questions

I am a hypertensize, overweight, diabetic senior so I don’t like my chances if I get the virus. So yes, I am afraid of getting it – but only for the suffering that would be my likely fate.

Am I afraid of dying from it? No, nor from anything else. I am a woman of faith so I believe I know where I’m going.

F72ON

#71 earthboundmisfit on 05.15.20 at 4:35 pm

#56 Sail away on 05.15.20 at 4:08 pm

Strange how some people really get off bragging about their own stupidity. Must have something to do with that “name ends in a vowel” thingy.

#72 Last Gasp on 05.15.20 at 4:36 pm

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#73 no blog for old men on 05.15.20 at 4:36 pm

@#28 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:10 pm
DON’T COME TO COTTAGE COUNTRY!

IT’S JUST COMMON SENSE!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/please-stay-home-town-locals-across-canada-urge-tourists-not-to-visit-this-long-weekend-1.4940555

https://globalnews.ca/news/6949219/may-long-weekend-cottage-visits/

https://www.cp24.com/news/de-villa-urges-toronto-residents-to-skip-the-cottage-this-long-weekend-1.4940106

Got it?

DON’T BE A SELFISH SOUTHERN HILLBILLY DOUCHEBAG!

Just.

Stay.

Home.

(Besides, the weather is gonna suck anyway)

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settle down now.
time to grow up boy.

#74 WAKEUP on 05.15.20 at 4:37 pm

There’s a reason people are wearing gloves.
The Virus can be on the hands, hands are surfaces.

The virus does not enter through skin. You can wash hands. Not gloves. Now go away. – Garth

#75 Ed McNeil on 05.15.20 at 4:37 pm

I am becoming like Winston Smith, the protagonist in Orwell’s 1984. I am slowly discovering after these weeks of sheltering that like Winston Smith, I do love Big Brother.

#76 Stone on 05.15.20 at 4:37 pm

#33 Carole on 05.15.20 at 3:22 pm
In our small food business we’ve been very happy going cashless recently.

We had thousands of dollars tied up in floats. Now it’s paid down debt.

We needed 3+ runs to the bank weekly to make deposits and get fives and twonies.

We are never over/under in our cash drawers. Staff are more of a team as they don’t worry about moral hazard falling on them.

The till area is way cleaner now. Smaller space with no cash drawer.

Staff leave 5 minutes after locking up instead of 20 minutes or even 30 if they feel the need to count the cash drawer twice if they were off by $1.

No cash means less chance of misbehavior on the part of owners/managers. I believe our chances of being audited have dropped considerably.

Finally, staff feel safer from both covid and robbery. Counting up at the end of day is no longer something that makes staff feel anxious about a targeted robbery.

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I’ll second the robbery piece especially as well as all the other points.

Cashless is better. It will also destroy the underground economy and I’m 100% in favour of its destruction. Bye bye mafia, bye bye all other criminal organizations. Good riddance and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

#77 LP on 05.15.20 at 4:38 pm

#8 Felix on 05.15.20 at 2:39 pm

And then the picture today: a filthy, useless mutt abandoning its responsibility to lead a child to safety because he’s lazy, a child now who is about to be washed out to sea to drown.
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Or, having rescued the sweet child from certain death by drowning, now lies exhausted on the sand, providing what comfort she may draw from the last warmth of his body.

See, everything is perspective.

#78 no blog for old men on 05.15.20 at 4:38 pm

The high anxiety folk could do themselves a favour and turn off the ‘news’. it is possible to be informed without listening to all the misinformation/fearmongering/worst case scenarios all day long

#79 Brian Ripley on 05.15.20 at 4:39 pm

My Millionaire Metric Chart is up:
http://www.chpc.biz/millionaire-metric.html
Calgary housing heads towards a value proposition especially with earnings in Alberta that remain the highest in Canada.​​

And my Canadian Housing priced in USD:
http://www.chpc.biz/canadian-housing-in-usd.html
29% cheaper in USD vs CAD.

#80 Ace Goodheart on 05.15.20 at 4:40 pm

RE: #38 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:30 pm

Three posts in one day.

Wow.

Muskoka does not belong to you. Just because you spent the winter there, you do not get to claim ownership of it.

If you want to isolate away from all other human beings, then go live in a cave. Otherwise, life in a society with other human beings comes with the risk you might catch a virus from someone.

People’s cottages are their homes.

You have ordered people out of Muskoka, Collingwood, the entire Bruce Peninsula, Haliburton, Minden. You could not possibly live in all of these places.

#81 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 4:41 pm

It’s just common sense.

Even Hawaii is telling visitors to just stay away until at least the end of June, and if they do come they are quarantined for at least 14 days.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/hawaii-tourists-trnd/index.html

“New arrivals are required to fill out documentation listing their contact and lodging information, and they must sign the document acknowledging that violating the quarantine is a criminal offense punishable by a $5,000 fine and up to a year in prison…”

Rural municipalities have the power to invoke whatever emergency measures are needed.

Pay your taxes, and…

Just.

Stay.

Home.

DO NOT COME HERE THIS WEEKEND!

#82 espressobob on 05.15.20 at 4:42 pm

Hopefully if we follow all the protocols this will create a controlled burn instead of a out of control wildfire experienced in Italy.

Nasty little bug, but I’m betting it can’t handle overproof bourbon.

Only time will tell?

#83 Anna on 05.15.20 at 4:44 pm

We were really sick in February and I really wonder if it was covid. My 72 year old mother had a fever for a week. I really wish they would just create and distribute a reliable antibody test.

#84 Calgary Rip off on 05.15.20 at 4:48 pm

Was on call in cardiac unit in Calgary. CCU doc got sick Monday. Tuesday morning woke up with nausea and 2% shortness of breath. Minimal appetite. Likely related to cold air blowing on me all weekend wearing thin scrubs. Called for 3 hours 811 Tuesday morning. Got fast tracked tested for Covid at 11:20 am at old Childrens Hospital Calgary. Was nauseated. Drive heaved multiple times. Nurse asked if I wanted to come back. No. I said I wanted it done now. Confirmed nurse swabbing was satisfied with sample. Went home. Decided to start the vitamin C protocol. 1 gram every 2 hours. Still not much appetite. Isolated in bedroom. Felt anxious. Did not exercise. Played chess all day. Started feeling better several hours into the vitamin C protocol. Less nausea. Better breathing. Less chills. Ate supper. Played more chess and studied Hindi. Wednesday morning: Got up. Slight nausea, 1% shortness of breath. House phone rang. Was told previously if Covid negative I would receive automated message. With shaking hands recorded message from housephone on cell phone for evidence. Was still walking around the house when needed with clean underwear over head to help minimize germ spread. Texted boss at Calgary hospital of results for negative, confirmed zero symptoms. Ate lunch. At 2 pm Wednesday warmed up on deadlifts with 335×5. Then 405×5. Then 455×5. Then 2 sets of 485×2. Then barbell rowed starting at 245 up to 315 lbs for reps. All at 201 lbs as I lost a couple pounds. The important thing was safety. But I have been wearing masks everyday and still got some type of crap. But healed up quick from the vitamin C experience. Instead of all the bs authorities should be advocating vitamin C and D3 big time for recovery and health. Just my experience. True contactless purchases? Don’t buy the stuff at all then contact is irrelevant and only buy stuff you need as consumerism is dead.

#85 James on 05.15.20 at 4:52 pm

When the lock down conversation first came along, mid April, I thought it would be prudent to have some cash
“just in case” so I pulled $400 from an ATM.

I am still carrying that cash.

Nobody wants it.

#86 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 4:54 pm

#248 JonBoy on 05.15.20 at 1:01 pm
#22 IHCTD9 on 05.14.20 at 1:43 pm

100%, and the sooner the better. Ontario is slowly inching mandatory minimums for online courses into the curriculum, but the teachers Unions are fighting it tooth and nail.

It would be pretty much all good, zero bad.

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… Interactions with people (face-to-face) are important for development, learning how to read people, relationship-building, etc.
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I agree, but I don’t think no bricks and mortar schools means that no face to face will happen. There will still be classes, class trips and get togethers.

Keep in mind, while some folks look back on their school years with fondness, others are indifferent, others still remember it as a living hell.

IMHO, online curriculums will come with purposeful face to face gatherings, probably weekly, just like some home schoolers do.

#87 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 4:56 pm

You should have asked the Leger Poll “gone, gone” question Garth.

The FVG Region (where I live) our President (kinda like a Premier) has given the green light to OPEN EVERYTHING up this Monday. Went out today, lots of stores, businesses, you name it open, the rest preparing, a lot of hustle and bustle (bringing in merchandise, cleaning, sanitizing, etc.).

I even enjoyed the traffic.

May 25th will be the “last thing to open” decision on large gatherings like fans at a Serie A football match. THAT would be wonderful, miss Serie A and my not so bad team this year Milan AC.

Also, we will know if distancing, masks still mandatory or when that will be relaxed.

Will let you know Garth and the Blog Dogs if we start dropping flies here in Italia so you all can be rendered harmless from something Italia did that was stupid…unless I’m one of those flies dropping then you’re all SOL.

(Bonus: next Garth Pandemic Porn Poll you can all answer that YES you knew of someone that kicked it from Covid).

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So PATIENCE Canada, you’ll be where Italia will be this Monday soon enough. We did it starting April 14th and before that, we waited a couple of weeks that we knew for sure our R0 < 1, comfortably.

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PS:

CTV, NBC and other N. American MSM "news" will report that now Italia has opened a few bakeries besides the card shops we opened Apr. 14th.

At least you all will know what's really happening here…AND HAVE FAITH IT WILL BE THE SAME FOR YOU CANADA…SOON.

#88 Figure it Out on 05.15.20 at 5:01 pm

“This Corona Virus can live on surfaces for days, integrity of the surface plus other factors depict for how long.”

“There is currently no evidence to confirm or disprove that COVID-19 virus can be transmitted through coins or banknotes,” sez WHO

Poster says bug remains viable on metal, plastic paper surfaces for days. TRUE

WHO says no peer reviewed studies specifically about the bug on notes and coins has been done. ALSO TRUE.

You have to read these things like a lawyer, or like an investor reads corporate filings.

The alternative belief — that touching surfaces or other people, and then your face spreads the virus, but bills and coins are immune to this effect because they have visages of important persons on them is, uh, unlikely to be true.

#89 JonBoy on 05.15.20 at 5:04 pm

Here’s a brief update from the Lower Mainland, for those that seem to think long lines and strict controls are the de facto future for Canada.

1. Local stores don’t seem to have waiting lines to get in anymore. I haven’t been to Costco in two or three weeks but the local grocery stores no longer appear to be forcing people to wait outside. I believe this is probably due to an increase in people allowed within the store at any given time rather than an actual disregard for social distancing. They still have a security guard (ie, a person looking at their phone and occasionally clicking the counter in their hand) at the entrance and exit but I haven’t had to wait for anything in about two weeks.

2. Traffic is definitely picking up now. The first few weeks of the shutdown were gloriously free of traffic but it’s definitely up to perhaps 50-60% of what it used to be. I expect that we’ll see traffic building slowly to its old maximum over the next two weeks or so.

3. Many stores will open this weekend or early next week so it will be interesting to see how busy the malls are (I live near one). I’m entering my ninth week without a haircut but I’ll be flying to the barber on Tuesday (first day they’re allowed to open) for a trim.

4. The beaches were crazy busy last week as it was hot (record temps!), sunny and calm. Blackie Spit Park and Crescent Beach were blocked off from traffic as all parking was used up quite quickly. With provincial parks open this week, expect to see a rush of traffic, even with rain forecast.

5. Lots more people out walking, playing sports, exercising and generally being outside. This is going to be a huge factor in getting people to push for more social interaction, more freedom and more “normal” life. My wife and I go for a walk after I get home from work each day and the increase in people in the parks, soccer field, softball diamond, etc, is dramatic. People aren’t going to stay cooped up, no matter what the government says.

6. Used car prices are going down dramatically. I still haven’t bought my “new to me” car yet but I’m seeing a 10% drop in used car prices in the first four weeks. Not only that but used cars definitely aren’t selling, based on what I’m seeing online. I haven’t seen as many “must sell – make offer” ads as I would have anticipated but time will tell if they ever materialize.

#90 Pgljoy on 05.15.20 at 5:05 pm

Do I fear of dying from COVID-19 not fear really, just concerned.As a 63yr diebetic I know my risk is elevated.But percentage is still low for dying from it.So I take precautions ie wash hands wear a mask when shopping ,and social distancing.I worry more about getting it than dying from it.My bride is disabled and I am Primary help for her .
Death rate for humanity is still a 100% I just don’t want to die of stupid.

#91 Spectacle ( virus free) on 05.15.20 at 5:06 pm

Two points of note today :

It appears that the Security forces of Germany and US are researching a serious breach incident at Wuhan as early as October 2019. Locked down, streets blocked, they used communications in & around site as well. Extreme vacancy situation. Keen to see an update over time on this. Will cite sources , or look the story up yourself .

Second is that the WHO and China were apparently in discussions ( will source this , again over time) to Silence this earlier incident.

Doesn’t matter if the WHOrganization has capacity , if they listen to China for dealing with a Pandemic. Might as well hire Canadian Tire to run international healthy for us!

“Jess blog dog” on here might find further sources for us Greater fools on here. Really appreciate his/her incursions to Sir Turners web site.

Ps: I am a total no, don’t even know how/where to get a Reliable test. Also, No, I still do not know anyone, nor does anyone Inknow know of anyone who has the Bat virus! ( at least that we know of!)
Thanks Garh

#92 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 5:09 pm

#84 James on 05.15.20 at 4:52 pm
When the lock down conversation first came along, mid April, I thought it would be prudent to have some cash
“just in case” so I pulled $400 from an ATM.

I am still carrying that cash.

Nobody wants it.
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Oh they will…BET on it..

The underground economy is a tsunami simply on hold…

#93 Flanneur on 05.15.20 at 5:10 pm

Jay z he don’t carry 5s or 10s.

Cash is fussy.

#94 Millennial Realist on 05.15.20 at 5:11 pm

#33 Carole and #69 Stone are both correct.

“No cash means less chance of misbehavior on the part of owners/managers. I believe our chances of being audited have dropped considerably.

and

Cashless is better. It will also destroy the underground economy and I’m 100% in favour of its destruction. Bye bye mafia, bye bye all other criminal organizations.”

This all will naturally lead right into transactional taxation. Full accountability and taxes charged at a very low level on ALL (now electronic) transactions will result in a more transparent, efficient and fair taxation system.

This is the future. Especially now, when we all feel a bit creepy exchanging bills and coins with cashiers, when tap is so much more efficient and safe. Lots of stores now will even email me a bill, so no paper touching needed there at all. Plus e-coupons and bonus points, what’s not to like?

Covid can last minutes, hours, up to many days on paper surfaces.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/health-professionals/assumptions.html#a5)

https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces

Brian Ripley has posted on this here and his website has info on the benefits of transactional taxation.

If you were a store owner starting fresh now, why even consider taking cash? Even those stubborn and reluctant paleo-Boomer customers are now getting used to online/phone delivery service – problem solved.

Be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

#95 BrianT on 05.15.20 at 5:11 pm

I can tell you that I personally have known 6 people that died of brain cancer (which was literally unheard of when I was a kid)-in each case when the diagnosis came it was game over-a few hung on a few months in hospital, others went quicker but life ended basically with the diagnosis. But nobody worries about brain cancer just the almighty Wuhan Flu. Will 5G increase brain cancer dramaticall? Who knows? Would anyone be surprised if it did? Of course not. Would the government even consider slowing down the implementation of 5G to protect the health of the public? Yeah right-LOL.

#96 Spectacle on 05.15.20 at 5:14 pm

#85 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 4:54 pm
#248 JonBoy on 05.15.20 at 1:01 pm
#22 IHCTD9 on 05.14.20 at 1:43 pm

100%, and the sooner the better. ………..

Keep in mind, while some folks look back on their school years with fondness, others are indifferent, others still remember it as a living hell.

IMHO, online curriculums will come with purposeful face to face gatherings, probably weekly, just like some home schoolers do.
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Ugh, agreed,

Now amidst all of this mayhem, try getting help for a youngster with Autism ASD in this wonderful new normal! Although he doesn’t desire much social interaction, it is essential for his development. I yanked him from school asap, to much scorn etc etc. Yes I was right to do that, with everything closed up now pretty much…..

Anyone have new normal insights on this .
Cheers all.

#97 Linda on 05.15.20 at 5:16 pm

Death being inevitable, I don’t see the point in panicking should I get Covid. Since the majority survive seems to me like my chances are good in any case. That having been said, am doing the reasonable thing with social distancing, washing hands frequently & avoiding visiting anyone I know whose immune system isn’t in good shape. Those I call, text or email until such time as it becomes safe to see them ‘in person’. Hopefully sooner rather than later!

My main concern right now is over the increased debt load due to the Covid shutdown for friends, family & local business. Also concerned about the cost of the government relief which will have to be paid for. Ouch. Hopefully we have no adverse outcome to our tentative first steps reopening the economy & will be able to get back to living our lives instead of cowering behind closed doors sooner rather than later.

#98 Figure it Out on 05.15.20 at 5:17 pm

Dude, you run a longstanding blog. You suppress or mock some opinions, and welcome or amplify others. Your readers are, for the most part, a self-selected group of malcontents with too much time on their hands (at least if the comment section is reflective, admittedly a point not in evidence). So you do a survey, and collect “data.” What do you learn? Something about your readership, but nothing that can broadly be applied to any group beyond that, I daresay. And woe betide the person who thinks otherwise.

#99 truefacts on 05.15.20 at 5:18 pm

I went shopping today – it was BUSY!!!
I live in Ontario and things are slowly reopening (in stages).
Most people did not seem paranoid – basic social distancing was all. Less than 10% of shoppers sporting masks.
Perhaps an unrepresentative sample – maybe there are frightened people staying home? But many people seem to be getting on with their lives…great news!!!

#100 FreeBird on 05.15.20 at 5:18 pm

#24 Lost…but not leased on 05.15.20 at 3:01 pm
Next up ?
= ” CONTACT TRACING “..Google it.
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Are you suggesting it’s planned?? (sarcasm) Already in China as WUXI card. Human chip implants in Sweden.
Tracking/tracing (rumored) conveniently part of new updates to all phones and Google invested in Nokia’s software for their new phone models. Older ones hard to track. TT will lead to The Vaccine (you know before the virus mutates…again…and again.) and Big Tech/Big Pharma make big money. Maybe why Ont medical assoc is reviewing the right to informed consent (after 20 yrs.)? Heads up indeed.

It’s MY Life! Good song for right now…
https://youtu.be/vx2u5uUu3DE

If over 60 Sinatra’s My Way
https://youtu.be/qQzdAsjWGPg

Play them LOUD and often this weekend (while spraying take out/away boxes). Time to eat…

#101 JonBoy on 05.15.20 at 5:20 pm

#85 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 4:54 pm

I agree, but I don’t think no bricks and mortar schools means that no face to face will happen. There will still be classes, class trips and get togethers.

Keep in mind, while some folks look back on their school years with fondness, others are indifferent, others still remember it as a living hell.

IMHO, online curriculums will come with purposeful face to face gatherings, probably weekly, just like some home schoolers do.

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That would be pretty good. I’d be happy with that, honestly, as a parent.

It’s selfish, I guess, but not having to drive kids to school (and pick them up) would probably be a big benefit to my wife as well. Occasional outings would be reasonable, though the “play time” in the gym at lunch (or playing hockey in the parking lot) is a little tougher to replace.

BC school are doing a “part-time” opening on June 1 with lower grades being open 2-3 days a week and high school once a week (suggested only – not required). My kids’ private school is doing one day per week for all grades and they can’t wait!

My daughter is headed to a friend’s house this weekend with a bunch of other classmates and I expect this to continue to expand in society. We’re meeting up with another family that was quite “strict” during the lockdown…

#102 BrianT on 05.15.20 at 5:21 pm

#83Calgary-on the entire planet I would be surprised if even one person who can barbell row 315 pounds has died from this virus so you should be OK IMO-at least the stats are in your favour-it really hits inmates at long term care homes and most of those inmates cannot deadlift 485 pounds.

#103 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 5:24 pm

#58 WAKEUP on 05.15.20 at 4:14 pm
I’m a fan of cash so don’t misinterpret my intent.
But the statement that the Virus can’t live on cash is untrue.

This Corona Virus can live on surfaces for days, integrity of the surface plus other factors depict for how long.

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Actually alleged Corona Virus does exist via affects the brain and one’s neural programming. Freud would be proud.

Symptoms are buying into fear porn ,and not realizing Canada is being converted from an alleged democracy to somewhere between a totalitarian state and a nanny state….sort of the Made -In -Canada version of
” Stockholm Syndrome” .

Final stage symptoms ???… are rolling up one’s sleeve after bending over.

#104 Igor on 05.15.20 at 5:27 pm

Yesterday I drove through West Vancouver – an area of multi-million dollar shacks and houses. I have seen over 10 “For Sale” signs along the main road. Normally there are none. People cashing out investments or just fleeing Vancouver?

#105 Bob in Hamilton on 05.15.20 at 5:27 pm

“Remember when I said this was not a virus blog?
I lied.”

No (about lying), not really….you were just trying to run a normal blog/life in an insane panic filled country.

You’re not a wuss…not like most of the people in our society/culture/nation these days (the elderly get a pass in this instance).

#106 YVR Expat on 05.15.20 at 5:28 pm

#46 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:49 pm
The Mayor of Muskoka was on City News this morning.

He pointed out that many local retailers won’t even open until Tuesday or later.

For those now open, including food, drugstores, gas, convenience and others, visitors should understand that the lines will be long.

“Expect to wait 3-5 hours or longer in the line”

(That’s a direct quote)

Does that sound like a smart way to spend a rainy weekend?

NO.

STAY AWAY!

Just.

Stay.

Home.

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Get with the times, the economy is opening back up.

Sorry if you want to keep stiffing your land-lord and get paid to sit on your @$$ all day long.

Get back to work.

#107 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 5:35 pm

N. American MSM and other European media “under report” what has happened here in Italia with openings.

And I am sure many of you think I have been hard on the air heads at NBC Nightly News and CTV National News but if you lived here you probably would say the same about them.

But, judge for yourselves…

First, go this page, in Chrome right click and select Translate to English. Scroll down to the list of ATECO codes (like Cdn Industry codes) and peruse what Italia opened up a month ago.

https://www.fanpage.it/economia/quali-sono-le-attivita-produttive-che-riapriranno-il-14-aprile-codici-ateco/

Here is what butt hurt BBC (doing much worse than Italia or Spain) today says Italia has opened up (near the bottom) which includes the last 2 weeks in addition to the above Apr. 14 list and compare:

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52575313

Or the NBC airhead that thinks all that was opened was card and baby shops (they edited the report since then and I’ll tell you why after the link):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPXqHkzVrhY

The original newscast has their reporter, supposedly living in Rome, making that report and is prominent in the report (talking etc.). So I Tweeted him and NBC and in as many words said that was a brian dead effort and pointed him to a number of Italian websites listing listing all that REALLY opened. He was not happy with me, too bad, too sad. Neither were his Lords and Masters, they essentially edited him out of the report.

So, 2 minor examples of why I get angry about N. American and other European MSM accounts (incl. the Germans that have to be 1st at everything) of what is happening in Italia in reality.

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My take, they can’t stand the fact that Mary Mallon Italia turned it around so fast from the depths of despair to in a few days from now opening pretty much everything. What I call National Bravado (gets you in trouble all of the time, not just some of the time).

And that the Italian populace had a steely determination to see thru what amounted to Martial Law and had faith it WILL ALL GET BETTER (even us supposedly histrionic Italians). Why you saw this draped on so many balconies as we serranded each other in lockdown (it will all go well, or will all get better):

Andrà tutto bene.

And on that note:

Canada, Andrà tutto bene.

#108 dgb on 05.15.20 at 5:35 pm

I, along with others here, think that I may have had it in early February..woke up one night sweating like crazy.My kid had been sick with a cold for a couple of weeks so I got up and checked the thermostat….set at 10(he hadn’t turned it up)..when I lay back down I noticed a heavy feeling in the center of my chest but was able to go back to sleep minus the blankets…next day slept all day and most of night…day after that fine…testing is not available to check if we have had it and survived…testing is lacking ….otherwise we would all feel great about returning to work…especially knowing that most of us have already had it….thanks for keeping us informed of the effects of this shutdown on our investments…it is scary to think of losing and not knowing when or if it will come back in our lifetime….thanks for all you do for us financial illiterates…we are learning lots from you Garth….you are the idol of many!!!

#109 SOMETHINGS UP!! on 05.15.20 at 5:43 pm

CASH IS TRASH ……..

#110 Cashisking on 05.15.20 at 5:47 pm

Having worked my entire career in electronics, computers and networking and have done many emergency service calls for POS debit/credit card etc. systems DOWN, I always have and carry cash.
We have too much faith that the hardware and the internet will always be there. They can and do fail often.
If you think Covid-19 lockdown is inconvenient, think what it would be like if the internet, we have become so dependent on, despite it’s redundancies was down for weeks or months. Could not happen ? Not so sure.

#111 Lambchop on 05.15.20 at 5:49 pm

#57 Lisa on 05.15.20 at 4:13 pm
Been thinking about this a lot lately. I am not afraid to die. But I would feel terrible guilt if I were responsible for the death or serious illness of someone else

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Not specific to the poster, but do people generally feel this way, or even have this thought, when they have a cold or flu in real life, pre-covid?

The single only time this crossed my mind was years ago when my dad was going through chemo and I didn’t visit him for a week because I had just had a cold.

We’re being trained to feel guilty before we’ve even done anything.
Crazy

#112 Pete from St. Cesaire on 05.15.20 at 5:53 pm

I use cash for everything even though I could use a card. I have encountered a couple of shops that refuse cash, I won’t shop there.

#113 Stoph on 05.15.20 at 5:53 pm

The big question I had prior to the shutdown is what’s the endgame? It seems that the plan is to have people modify their behavior so that on average each infected person doesn’t infect more than one other person, thereby eventually leading to the disease fizzling out.

This could involve continuing to work from home where possible, wearing a mask when in public, hand sanitizer at grocery stores, avoiding large gatherings… much of the same stuff people are already doing now.

I can’t see airlines, restaurants or the economy in general getting back to normal until a vaccine is found.

#114 Keyboard Smasher on 05.15.20 at 5:54 pm

I had the Bat flu in early February (confirmed by proxy via my sister who tested for antibodies in the state of NY).

It was basically a flu with a very late onset of fever (presumably, immune system taking longer to recognize and formulate a response to the novel SARS mutation).

But I’m a runner and been to the Himalayas, so my lungs have seen worse.

#115 Keyboard Smasher on 05.15.20 at 5:59 pm

@1 TurnerNation

Proud to say I didn’t read more than the first few words of the first paragraph.

Nice try. Why don’t you start your own blog ranting about the lizard people, the Jews and Nazi cabals running the shadow government?

#116 Shadow boxer on 05.15.20 at 6:00 pm

Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY!

Whatever.. narcissist get help.

#117 Sail Away on 05.15.20 at 6:09 pm

Well, I just opened a $67,318 check in the mail, labeled:

Government of Canada
Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy

For last month’s company wage subsidy. Feeling flush…

#118 Bob on 05.15.20 at 6:15 pm

How is data a bad thing? This is how you get some. – Garth

Well, there are two ways. First, your results contain bias for which you cannot account. And second, “data” is too often misinterpreted. I believe it was Mark Twain who said “there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

#119 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 6:20 pm

I read the Mortgage deferral story and you know, all the more power to the guy, Gov Canada is stupid enough to mandate pandemic “measures” like that, take advantage of it I say…why not?

Many of you will tell me to F off but my take on Gov Canada’s actions:

1. All this CERB etc. handouts is stupid, we have EI they could have just extended that, apply and get it now, we will check on you later until the pandemic over. Never read in my decades on Earth people complaining about not enough EI money. And then there is welfare.

2. Bailing businesses out was equally as stupid. If a business does have enough cash flow to weather (based on Marry Mallon Italia’s case) 3 months less a week of low or no revenues, then that business was skating on thin ice to begin with and virtually $0 in its Assets Cash Account. This way Zombie companies that should have failed in a recession are propped up by Gov Canada. Defies all reason. So much for Creative Destruction.

3. Gov Canada in essence BOUGHT COMPLIANCE by giving everyone, everything financial aid because of their and Provinces lockdown decrees. Somehow thinking that the most educated populace on PLANET EARTH has some macabre desire to die at the hands of a virus and needs mollycoddling $$$ and compliance $$$ to do the right thing. What a lack of faith.

4. Bank of Canada buying in essence junk bonds from companies, CMHC buying billions of junk mortgages from the Big 5 Banks is the epitome of stupidity. All this to provide “liquidity” to business and real estate that everyone knows are going to lose value in a recession and will not be borrowing and time soon. In essence, Gov Canada and its Corps letting BELLIGERENT Banks continue to lend recklessly knowing they can do that with impunity, thus keeping the brazen Management that they have in a job. They should be fired instead.

All of the above is going to reduce Gov Canada into threadbare Gov Italia. Inconceivable but that’s what they are doing and headed to. Wreck one of the wealthiest nations on Earth, make it a debtor for a decade or more and oblige future generations to pay for the above.

Yes, yes, big pension funds investing in the banks etc. Well you know, funds go up and they go down and eventually recover over time. Not the end of the World and if the funds managers are competent they will find a way to eke out more cash.

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As a lifelong Liberal I’ll never vote for them again until that crew now in Ottawa is “gone, gone” for good…the damage they have done to the Canada I once knew is unforgivable.

#120 Ed on 05.15.20 at 6:23 pm

Relative in England got it. Symptoms were so mild it was basically nothing worse than mild cold for her. Cough lingered a few days. Biggest complaint was the boredom of isolation. Some of her friends tested positive and their experiences were the same.

#121 SWL on 05.15.20 at 6:24 pm

I know of only 1 person in our area, Cowican Valley Vancouver Island who has had the Covid. I delivered pizza to their house over a month ago now. They were very courteous and paid over the phone, advised of their illness and said to leave the pizza on the recycling bin in the driveway, and most importantly don’t touch anything. They have fully recovered and life goes on

At my now former job in manufacturing, I think we were all exposed to the virus due to people coming to work with all the symptoms, (mid January) but testing was not and probably is still not available. Now relax Faron before you jump all over me for potentially spreading the virus by feeding hungry people while everything else is closed. There has been no major outbreak in our area (small town) and as soon as we heard about the virus we upped our already good hygiene standards before our own government who incessantly blathers on about public safety even bothered to cancel or quarantine flights from the infected province in China

Our leadership in the country is a complete embarrassment and should be held accountable for the collateral damage they are doing. I would love to see that day, but with a 74% approval rating it appears that the idiots have clearly taken over and it seams that they do like to be treated and talked to like little children

They like to watch and hear the cuckoo clock ring everyday at 11:15am EST

Some people can and do still prefer to be respectful members of society while still enjoying the freedom of choice about how they would like to go about their day. All the while being perfectly capable of managing risk to themselves and others

#122 The Mandrake Mechanism on 05.15.20 at 6:25 pm

I read half the blog comments in the evening, then the rest the next am – sort of my “cup of coffee with a morning kiss” – and I love the contrarians, the poop disturbers, and the bloggers who tell it like it is say it like it is – I may even print off some of Turner Nation’s stuff (plus many many others) and throw it into my Playboy collection – you know so I can once again say “I read Playboy for the articles” – Candy Loving you are sorely missed.

No doubt the Fear-demic has clearly taken hold. Is it the Media or the utter destruction of people’s businesses, jobs, and their families? I mean Murder Hornets….really?

ABC Inc shuts down and 100 people are on the CERB dole, but only 70 will be hired back over an 18 month period. It’s the new cleansing – a word not used since WW2. My 2 hour power walk every morning takes me past the Vcr Convention Centre, Cardero Park, and the marinas with oodles of boats and yachts that are fun to look at and make me dream of being rich. Are the owners like me? Mortgage/debt free and swimming in cash? Or are they jumping off their 25th floor balconies taking their unpaid bills and tan bucket hats with them? Self-immolation + insolvency = no talk policy.

So where do you put your money these days?

TSE PLC: 31.33 (2/13), 20.48 (5/15)
TSE SIA: 19.18 (2/13), 10.59 (5/15)
NYSE CSV: 24.75(2/13), 14.38 (5/15)
NYSE STON: 1.11 (2/13), 0.64 (5/15)
NYSE CSI: 48.64 (2/13), 35.56 (5/15)

Yikes…when they say you can’t avoid death and taxes….it looks like you can’t invest in them either. Diversified portfolios mean diversified losses. Was Charles Givens right all along?

#123 Faron on 05.15.20 at 6:26 pm

102 Lost…but not leased on 05.15.20 at 5:24 pm

“Canada is being converted from an alleged democracy to somewhere between a totalitarian state and a nanny state”

Wow, just… wow. Need to loosen up the straps on your tin foil hat. It must be stressful living in one of the freest democracies on the planet while feeling like it’s North Korea. Better get back to youtube before it’s all censored.

#124 Faron on 05.15.20 at 6:31 pm

119 SWL on 05.15.20 at 6:24 pm

I’m stoked that I can still order pizza. Thanks! Also, was just up in Duncan on Saturday for a hike up Prevost and to lie about the river. Used to live in Glenora. Beautiful.

#125 will on 05.15.20 at 6:39 pm

I’ve probably got the stupid virus. I work in a grocery store after all. And exposed to every virus that walks in the front entrance. In this link the writer says what I have been saying about immunity all along.

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/in-the-race-for-immunity-sweden-leads-the-pack/

#126 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 6:44 pm

DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING YOUR DRIVEWAY TO GO TO THE COTTAGE!

Calmly turn the key in the ignition to the left. Pull it out. Step outside and lock your car door. Walk back into your GTA house and close the door behind yourself. Watch tv. Order pizza. Have a drink. Whatever.

Just.

Stay.

Home.

#127 yvrguy on 05.15.20 at 6:44 pm

I see green today! 0.32% YTD!!

Thanks Garth for all you do, giving me the motivation to fire TNLB advisor years ago, dump those terrible mutual funds, and learn how to manage my own modest 6 fig DIY investment portfolio.

Happy May Long blog dogs!

#128 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.15.20 at 6:49 pm

Assuming that you have a business and clients:
Do you shake hands with all your clients, or just Italian Doctors?

#129 Cash is King on 05.15.20 at 6:55 pm

Debit machine at my local understaffed Lowe’s crashed today while waiting in line. Lots of cursing and swearing.

Me, I stepped to the front of the line with a fistful of $50, paid and loaded my car.

Cash is King.

#130 Flywest29 on 05.15.20 at 6:57 pm

Well the biggest overreaction in modern history is among us. We have destroyed the global economy because some dude ate a bat. And here we are millions out of work around the globe. Millions of people scared for their lives because of the minuscule chance they will catch a cold. What the hell have we done?

#131 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 7:00 pm

#121 Faron on 05.15.20 at 6:26 pm
102 Lost…but not leased on 05.15.20 at 5:24 pm

“Canada is being converted from an alleged democracy to somewhere between a totalitarian state and a nanny state”

Wow, just… wow. Need to loosen up the straps on your tin foil hat. It must be stressful living in one of the freest democracies on the planet while feeling like it’s North Korea. Better get back to youtube before it’s all censored.

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Whatever…. dude or dudette…yawnnnn

Maybe review pattern recognition.

Calm before the storm….don’t say you weren’t warned.
Don’t come crying when SHTF.

#132 Flywest29 on 05.15.20 at 7:01 pm

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#133 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 7:04 pm

Hi I’m a turkey. We have a really great farmer. For the past 364 days he’s fed us well, a pimping pen, and plenty of sunlight.
Today he herded all of us out of the barn, down a narrow fenceway, up a ramp and into a waiting truck.
I told the other guys, Look our farmer is sending us away for a short spell in order he may clean and maintain our barn.
Coming to you now from a small holding pen. It’s cramped in here, dark and little food. Still it’s worth it!, small sacrifice.
Soon we all we will be back home in our waiting barn!! TTYL

#134 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 7:06 pm

#123 will

That article about bloody Sweden and its Gov is such a crock written by people that want to open up an economy regardless. Actually, it’s a person, Ron Unz is a physicist, an American (part of the Wild West lets reopen despite what Health experts are saying in that country).

Advice #123 will:

Go find Ron Unz and get medical advice from him. Then again, he’ll be too busy to see you trying to get on the cover of Ultra Righty: The New Republic.

Sweden has lockdown measures in place, Google it.

And I will repeat, Swedes have bought into there Gov’s BS so much that one of their Spring vacation towns (Lund) dumped tonnes of manure on their big park during Spring festivities (a very big deal in Sweden, Stockholm empty during those festivities, all in the South and Archipelago islands celebrating) to keep people out of it and vacationers away from their town. The people in Sweden have more common sense than their Socialist Social Experimenting Gov with the lives of their citizens.

You need a MINIMUM of 70 to 75% infection rate for herd immunity. Means that 7 million of them have to get infected (and lived thru it) for herd immunity. They have currently:

29,207 infected (3645 deaths).

I’d say they’re a long way off from 7 million, would you not agree? And their daily cases at John Hopkins is exponential.

That is just how preposterous the BS is coming from that country’s Gov and Ron Unz, Physicist and self appointed Medical Expert (or self anointed).

The ONLY WAY to get that level of herd immunity is via a vaccine.

#135 AB on 05.15.20 at 7:07 pm

#80 Cottagers stay away
Nobody will come near you. They will bring their own supplies. If there is a serious emergency the patient will be flown by air ambulance to the city as usual. Nobody in their right mind who is dying of covid and needs a ventilator would drive to cottage country. Why would the local emergency services be overwhelmed now as at any other time? Total irrational hysteria on your part.

#136 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:07 pm

One thing Trudeau needs to get on ASAP, is making refunds mandatory for Airline tickets where flights have been cancelled due to CV like the EU and USA have. Right now, Canadian airlines only have have to offer a voucher, and they have an expiry date!

We’re going to end up with two useless airline ticket vouchers for a one time event that is cancelled… period.

We’d probably be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar trying to sell these things.

#137 Bruce MacLachlan on 05.15.20 at 7:12 pm

Do I fear getting covid 19
Not fear, but I sure don’t want to get it, I hate being sick
Do I fear dying
Of course I do, doesn’t everybody want to live just a little longer if they’re healthy

#138 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:13 pm

#124 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 6:44 pm
DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT LEAVING YOUR DRIVEWAY TO GO TO THE COTTAGE!

Calmly turn the key in the ignition to the left. Pull it out. Step outside and lock your car door. Walk back into your GTA house and close the door behind yourself. Watch tv. Order pizza. Have a drink. Whatever.

Just.

Stay.

Home.
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This has to be happy housing crash / TML sucks guy lol!

#139 I t'was in ... on 05.15.20 at 7:13 pm

Meanwhile ‘no cash’ deserves ‘no sale.’

the local Shoppers drug mart the other day and brought a 4 liter jug of milk to the counter. The new lady behind the plexiglass at a defined distance with the mask on pointed to some sign when I asked “do you take cash?” I never read the sign but again asked “do you take cash?” She then said “we don’t like to” while again pointing to the sign. She took the cash. Jeeez ….

#140 Do we have all the facts on 05.15.20 at 7:14 pm

The primary reason financial advisors form an integral component of many retirement plans is the simple fact that the interest rates on all low risk investments have sunk to historic levels. Without the help of well researched advice most citizens would find it difficult to achieve the rates of return necessary to meet their future retirement requirements.

The salad days when you could buy an index, sit back and wait for the money to roll in only exist in your rear view mirror. The current view out your windshield is very very confusing and extremely difficult to predict.

There is a very strong relationship between the demand for funds and interest rates attached to the funds. Since 2008 many governments have met the increased demand for funds to stimulate their economy by expanding the money supply. An increased supply of money kept interest rates on all forms of debt at historically low levels.

As I mentioned the other day a country cannot continue to increase their money supply without recognizable economic growth. This fact seems to have escaped the grasp of our current Prime Minister. He remains focussed on increasing our money supply in the belief that the additional funds will result in economic expansion once a vaccine for the Covid 19 virus emerges.

The Canada that survives after the Covid 19 lockdown will be a very different Canada and we do not seem to be preparing for possible scenarios.

It seems likely that the demand for funding to rebuild economies around the world will increase while the ability to increase money supplies and keep interest rates low will be reduced for all but a few larger nations. Clearly there will be concerted efforts by the Government of Canada to keep interest rates low but we are dependant on imports and our balance of trade is not headed in the right direction. If the value of the Canadian dollar begins to fall some level of inflation cannot be avoided.

It is definitely time for all citizens to demand a more professional approach to our economic future.

#141 espressobob on 05.15.20 at 7:15 pm

#124 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY!

Somehow it seems cottagers have more to fear receiving a myopic disease from you far more fatal than the minimal risk transmitting covid to you.

Pull your head out of your ass.

#142 Richmond will be underwater by 2014 on 05.15.20 at 7:20 pm

My mother in law received a letter explaining that there had been a confirmed case in her townhouse complex. It’s gated and no offspring alllowed so it has an older average of residents. No one under 35 most in the 60-70 range. Word travels fast and it turns out it was a lady that spent a few weeks down in Washington while it was running rampant and then came back.
So there was a block party and the confirmed person attended it. Later she finds out at the same time another person that got it had also attended the famed dentist convention where there was an outbreak.
Anyway, by the time the dust settles 4 confirmed cases two weeks later and 11 presumptive cases all within her 65 unit complex.This was befor BC was giving tests to everyone who asked. So all 11 presumptive cases had direct contact with the 4 confirmed cases and got sick within 2 weeks with Covid symptoms. 3 of the 4 confirmed cases ended up in hospital and 1 of the 3 died.

Now to me this seemed like a full blown outbreak but if you were delivering a package or visiting or something you would have no idea. I felt at the time like the whole complex should have been sealed off but the government never even posted a sign.

Anyway a few more months and it will be obvious what we have done to ourselves. No one wants to work. Employers I know all are having the same experience. Employees asking for lay-off because they want Daddy Trudeau to pay for a summer vacation. When they try to hire they get 0 resumes. I mean none, not a single one.

Cities are going broke, households are going broke, all service businesses are going broke. No one cares. If I mention this is all really bad to anyone they spit venom at me and demand that I move to America if I hate human beings so much. I think being Canadian might be a disease in and of itself.

#143 James on 05.15.20 at 7:23 pm

We have the choice now to do electronic or cash payments. Why would ever invite a lack of choice,flexibility, and more potential for overreaching scrutiny? Cash almost always gets the job done cheaper and easier. Electronic transactions always leave a trail. With the hunger of the government growing because of deficit spending, would it be wise to eliminate the payment option that doesn’t track what happens to our already taxed dollars?

#144 Looking up on 05.15.20 at 7:27 pm

I’m terms of the whole Covid thing I’m not so worried about me. If I got it and passed it to my wife, kids, elderly parents etc and something happened to them I would never forgive myself.

Just about every world leader is thinking the same way.They don’t want to be responsible for millions of deaths (aka the Spanish flu which had a much lower mortality rate but killed 50 million to 100 million because governments didn’t take it seriously and covered it up).This is why they are talking these extreme measures. The “I’m not afraid of a little flu” that many of you are touting is irrelevant. It’s not about just you.The reason the death rate is low and all this seems to be an exaggerated response is because governments have taken these measures.

Honestly you should be thanking your government for this response and paying you to be safe at home. No one on this board has offered any sensible alternative plan.

#145 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.15.20 at 7:27 pm

#51 Jimers on 05.15.20 at 3:57 pm
I Wear My Face Mask in the Car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDXG-dHugc

#FaceMaskInTheCar
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That was hilarious. Got the Fearful Ones down to a t.

#146 Casual observer on 05.15.20 at 7:33 pm

Would you consider to update Question #1 to include suspected having Covid but not tested or diagnosed?

I was sick through March with many of the symptoms and hadn’t been that sick before but didn’t meet the testing criteria and recovered

Thanks

#147 forgotmyusername on 05.15.20 at 7:35 pm

#128 Flywest29 on 05.15.20 at 6:57 pm

“Well the biggest overreaction in modern history is among us. We have destroyed the global economy because some dude ate a bat. And here we are millions out of work around the globe. Millions of people scared for their lives because of the minuscule chance they will catch a cold. What the hell have we done?”
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I do know people who had Covid. A couple of neighbors in a town we left 10 years ago. And a nephew who works in a US hospital. Who gave it to his wife. Happily they all recovered.

I had to answer “yes” to the question of: if I catch Covid do I fear I will die?

But only because I have crappy lungs and this virus seems to hit the lungs pretty hard. Otherwise I wouldn’t fear it much.

I wish there was some way to indicate that even if there’s some fear based on higher perceived risk, I still think the right response is to keep calm and carry on.

Bottom line, I agree with Flywest’s comments. The response has been hysterical and will prove ruinous.

BTW, I have long & deep ties to Hawaii. That state has gone and killed its economy, over relatively few cases and a small death toll (17, unless it’s changed recently). 17, out of a population of about 1.4 million. (Most if not all those lost were older, with pre-exisiting health issues.)

It’s gonna be a total economic disaster over there, a self-inflicted one. Makes me angry. And sad.

#148 Toronto_CA on 05.15.20 at 7:36 pm

#134 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 7:06 pm
You need a MINIMUM of 70 to 75% infection rate for herd immunity. Means that 7 million of them have to get infected (and lived thru it) for herd immunity. They have currently:

29,207 infected (3645 deaths).

I’d say they’re a long way off from 7 million, would you not agree?
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Why on earth are you going by confirmed cases as the actual number of covid-19 cases in any population? You’re smarter than that, Dolce. Or I thought you were.

I agree with you that Unz is not exactly a reputable source, and as I argued vehemently yesterday and today it is too early to say whether Sweden’s strategy works or not. We need hindsight for that. It may be a very stupid thing they did. It may be the best move they could have done.

But trying to say that Sweden only has 29k cases is asinine. You mean they have had 29k positive test results. The actual number of current and past infected in the community is some massive multiple of that figure, some number of between 10x and 237x from studies I’ve seen.

We need antibody tests and a lot of time to know for sure of course, but you’d have to be a complete imbecile to believe that the only people who have the virus are those who test positive.
Some reading on the topic from today:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-update-will-antibody-tests-be-a-gamechanger-

“A study from the University of Manchester has claimed that 29% of the UK population may have already had Covid-19 by the end of April.”

So if that study is right, the UK is halfway to herd immunity; and we’ve had tens of millions of people infected by the end of April.

Is it right? I don’t know. I’m not a scientist. But it could be right, the educated people who did the study believe in its results.

#149 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.15.20 at 7:38 pm

#136 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:07 pm
One thing Trudeau needs to get on ASAP, is making refunds mandatory for Airline tickets where flights have been cancelled due to CV like the EU and USA have. Right now, Canadian airlines only have have to offer a voucher, and they have an expiry date!

We’re going to end up with two useless airline ticket vouchers for a one time event that is cancelled… period.

We’d probably be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar trying to sell these things.
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You’re are an expert in gaming the system.
You bet wrong this time.
Take it like the man you pretend to be.
And next time, vote for Trudeau.

#150 Sail away on 05.15.20 at 7:38 pm

#126 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.15.20 at 6:49 pm

Assuming that you have a business and clients:
Do you shake hands with all your clients, or just Italian Doctors?

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Depends. You think a hug would be more appropriate?

#151 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:42 pm

Cruise ship bookings up 600% over this time last year:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6937576/cruise-bookings-rise-coronavirus/

Good sign…

#152 Ballingsford on 05.15.20 at 7:46 pm

#8 Felix on 05.15.20 at 2:39 pm
Thank you to today’s blog for pointing out yet again, as if it was needed, the uselessness of canines:

“.. the dog ate your debit card”

“…you can no longer pet your neighbourhood dog, because she may have germy fur”

“Covid is spread by sneezing, spitting, drooling on or smooching others” (do dogs do anything else?)

And then the picture today: a filthy, useless mutt abandoning its responsibility to lead a child to safety because he’s lazy, a child now who is about to be washed out to sea to drown.
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Felix, you are funny, I get a kick out your silly anti-dogs posts. Dogs are one of the cleanest animals on earth. Even their shit doesnt stink. I also have a cat, and her poo is smelly sometimes. Even my dog has to hold his nose.

Actually, I think you are a closet dog lover. The dog in the pic actually just saved the family cat from drowning, and boy and dog gave it everything they had to save her. They’ll now rest while the cat is in the ambulance on the way to the vet.

#153 islander on 05.15.20 at 7:48 pm

#18 Patrick
“Something ripped through our household in mid-late January”

Me too. I left my isolated home Dec 30 – went to Vancouver for big New Year’s celebration. Large venue 100+ people – close contact. Left Vancouver, returned to isolated home, started coughing on January 5th. Coughed for 5 weeks – 3 enormous bags of cough drops, 2 bottles of cough syrup, enough tea to fill a bath tub.
Went to bed exhausted at 8:30pm -slept 12 hours every night for weeks. (cured insomnia -except for the coughing!)
By the time I got over whatever it was, the bad news started pouring in and life hasn’t been the same since for any of us.
Waiting for serology test. Will get one asap when they become available.

#154 BlogDog123 on 05.15.20 at 7:53 pm

Tell the cottagers stay away guy:

I’m coming up soon to open up. See you soon! Lots of work to do: firewood, fix some windows, locks, mouse traps, build stuff, clean up, drink beer, walk on the beach. If you don’t like working, fixing, cleaning, planning, then rent…

#155 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 7:53 pm

#126 Ponzius Pilatus

Those Italian Doctors tried to warn the rest of the World what was happening.

USA, Canada (whom on Mar. 3 I Tweeted numerous times to prepare, later on what they did*), UK, France, Germany…the list goes on ATE THE BOOK COVERS in in a fit of BRAZEN National Bravado ignored those Italian Doctors.

Because you know, Health Care Systems that aren’t or nowhere near Italia’s #2 WHO ranked system in the World were going to do SO much better. And their rarified air and egos were going to defeat Covid.

Well, did they? With a month’s warning from those Italian Doctors. Did they defeat, stop Covid in those countries? Most of them are still treading water.

BTW, those Italian Doctors healed us in record time, gave us advice on what to do to stop it and we are opening near EVERYTHING in a couple of days time.

Find me a country as populous that can say the same other than S. Korea (China doesn’t count as their numbers suspicious and confirmed to be that by Britain’s version of StatCan and Germany we are #1 has not even begun to open up what Italia has, nor any other European country)?

Thank the Italian Doctors for that.

*Mar. 3rd I Tweeted Hajdu, Bains, Trudeau, anyone in command to prepare, buy equipment and materials after reading Hajdu’s “we are totally prepared” Tweet and knowing what was happening in Italia.

Mar. 5 Hajdu retweets the same Tweet in defiance.

Well, that worked out well for “we’re totally prepared” Canada. Panhandling from the Chinese for defective PPE’s and Ventilators.

Should have listened to those Italian Doctors eh there #126 Ponzius Pilatus?

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Ya, I’d send whomever to those Italian Doctors any day AND shake their hands, and thank them.

So should you, if you had only listened to them.

#156 Ronaldo on 05.15.20 at 7:57 pm

Non, Non, Non, Non, Non, Non

#157 Phylis on 05.15.20 at 8:03 pm

#18 Patrick on 05.15.20 at 2:57 pm Had a similar statement from BIL. Mid feb.

Thought q1 might be interesting to have “dunno! I couldn’t get tested during or after…”

#158 the Jaguar on 05.15.20 at 8:07 pm

Just the observation of an acknowledged ‘Nosy Parker’, but seems clear people are gearing up to ‘walk off the reservation’. Peeking out between the window slats confirms my suspicions. Long weekend weather good in southern Alberta and the natives are getting restless. Don’t have a cow over those references as in no way do they refer to any FN person. The thing about Albertans that makes them hard working and successful is the same quality that will cause them to escape the pen into which they have been herded……………….work hard, party hard. They like to burn the candle from both ends.
Signing off now as I need to bolt the doors and windows. Mercy.

#159 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.15.20 at 8:10 pm

@The Million posts by Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY:
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Hi. Got the Challenger RT all packed up and ready to go. Be there in about 2 hours. Oh, did the wife tell you we’re staying at your place?

#160 Ronaldo on 05.15.20 at 8:14 pm

Tried something today. A Timmies in town is open for take out only. So I go in. 3 red spots between door and spot where you wait to be called. 1 red dot in front of each wicket. 1 red dot at the pick up point. (end of counter next to window).

So, 1 guy at pickup counter, 1 person ahead of me, I’m on #2 dot. He goes ahead and gives his order at till #2, I move to till #1 and place my order. The guy at the pickup spot is there waiting for his order. 3 more people walk in and standing on dots #1, 2 and 3. I can’t move to next dot and nor can the guy ahead of me. So we are all at a standstill waiting for the guy at the pick up counter to get his order. After 5 minutes guy ahead of me moves to pickup counter, I move to #2 till spot and guy behind me moves to till #1 and places his order. Meantime gal at till #2 is looking rather flustered since I can’t move off my spot and guy behind me is next to move ahead to till #2 but he already has put his order in. Don’t think this is going to work out too well.

#161 Faron on 05.15.20 at 8:16 pm

#131 Lost…but not leased on 05.15.20 at 7:00 pm

#121 Faron on 05.15.20 at 6:26 pm
102 Lost…but not leased on 05.15.20

“Whatever…. dude or dudette…yawnnnn

Maybe review pattern recognition.”

The human brain is an unrivalled pattern recognition machine. Great when we were seeking out prey or learning about weather patterns in the early days. A source of serious error and bias nowadays. Don’t say you werent warned.

” Calm before the storm….don’t say you weren’t warned.
Don’t come crying when SHTF.”

Ok, and I’ll try not to snicker when I see you shouting nonsense and being ignored on a city corner.

Happy maylong, off to a BBQ

#162 Sail away on 05.15.20 at 8:20 pm

#155 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 7:53 pm

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Dolce, I have to defend my good friend Ponzie.

He was replying to my comment #56, not denigrating Italian doctors.

Hope that clears it up. Ponzie has many sins for which to atone, but running down Italian doctors is not necessarily one of them.

#163 P. Dantic on 05.15.20 at 8:22 pm

Splitting hairs but.. You don’t get infected by Covid-19. You get infected by SARS-CoV2 and develop Covid-19.

Also how would I know if I have been infected or not? Is there an antibody test that is accurate enough to tell me?

#164 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 05.15.20 at 8:29 pm

No doubt, the Lockdown Idealogues rule the government and the online and flatscreen media. The popular consensus foreboding the “second wave tsunami of corona virus in the fall” is pretty much a fact without question. What does Canada and America look like when half the economy is on life support or gone forever…why don’t the foreboders give us a “head-up” to what the real damage and horror looks like.

#165 New-un- Normal on 05.15.20 at 8:31 pm

I was having starter problems with my 07 RR so I phoned Landrover Edmonton from a non cordless landline phone and was informed that service appointments could only be made by text message due to covid-19. I made different arrangements with a small family owned garage who also didn’t believe that covid-19 was transferrable by telephone lines.

#166 Steph on 05.15.20 at 8:33 pm

It’a brave new world!

#167 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 8:34 pm

#148 Toronto_CA

Why do I bother.

Not a single number you have quoted is even, remotely near 70-75%. Not even close if the game were horseshoes and hand grenades.

The conventional wisdom even from the UK, and stop reading The Spectator, the English version of the The New Republic and right wing smut (find out who owns them) is that it is 10X not 200 and some odd.

Start watching on YouTube Brit Doctor John Campbell and he cites UK studies it is about 10X actual positive cases. The Germans are saying the same thing. French too. Italy the same but are now doing serological tests to confirm.

But oh no, The Spectator is one of your authoritative sources.

What’s your next source, The Guardian?

And as for the UK, go see the level of tests done there vs. countries like Italia and Germany and ask yourself who would you believe first? Also, the UK has dropped the ball on contact testing and they admit it. So, grain of salt what comes out of that country for now. Recall, they were hell bent on “herd immunity” until Cambridge and Imperial College knocked some sense into them. Ya, and Boris ought to be a “herd immunity” advocate, ah guess what, he isn’t anymore.

Watch Campbell instead, you’ll get the truth from him. It’s 10X. At that, the UK nowhere near herd immunity and will not be as their recent R0 has fallen below 1.0 and good for them, they’ve suffered enough.

The Chinese say the same on 10X but you know…

#168 Steph on 05.15.20 at 8:34 pm

Jee… Fix the it’a please

#169 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 8:44 pm

#162 Sail away

INFINITE apologies to you and Ponzi.

My bad.

And thanks Sail away for being your normal kind and forgiving self to me. It does not go unnoticed.

Take care Sail away and Ponzi, come to Italia when all this virus BS has blown over and I promise you more than one Spritz on me at Cafe Florian in Piazza San Marco, Venezia…you can come to Sail away.

Or a Bellini at Harry’s Bar in Venezia, just a couple though they cost a bomb…best Bellini’s in the World, after all, they invented them.

Again gentlemen, my apologies.

#170 Turner Nation's Psychiatrist on 05.15.20 at 8:46 pm

You poor sad and pathetic soul. You blather away like some lunatic locked in a rubber room just waiting to be first with your posting. You are a pathetic broken record. Get better meds and go for a walk. Leave mommy’s basement and put away the keyboard. This will pass but your lunancy will remain. Get help…

#171 Triplenet on 05.15.20 at 8:47 pm

#119 Dolce Vita

Bailing out businesses.
I’m not sure businesses are getting ‘bailed out’ versus some form of Federal low interest loan(s)……
However, a Mom and Pop Italian restaurant of 3000 sq.ft. will attract a base rent lease rate of $30 – $50 plus NNN (triplenet costs) which include property taxes, insurance, HVAC repairs/maintenance, glass rider, etc.
You do the math and you’ll come up with $50k+ after 3 months, maybe more. Add in shutdown costs, start up costs, dunnage loss……..
Will Ma and Pa collectively make net $75k per year?….. less shut down time.
Let us know when your restaurant is open and will we pay $35 for a spaghetti bolognese dinner and a $60 bottle of cheap wine. No corkage allowed.
We’ll find out.

#172 Pun Unintended on 05.15.20 at 8:50 pm

The Jewels always want to take a piece of the gold.

#173 Boomer Bill on 05.15.20 at 8:55 pm

My father-in-law, in a long term care facility tested positive for Covid19 and was retested two weeks later and tested negative. No symptoms, almost 90 years old and has dementia…

#174 yorkville renter on 05.15.20 at 8:56 pm

#43 – easy now… it’s just a simple poll, these are not life changing questions to answer…

#175 boomer Bill on 05.15.20 at 8:57 pm

Interesting to note that the big discrepancy between private long care facilities and public ones is that the private ones have personal rooms whereas the public ones have 4 to a room. This fact alone probably accounts for the huge difference in deaths in public long term care facilities versus private ones.

#176 EE on 05.15.20 at 8:59 pm

I have a relative, a nursing home resident with liver disease, who died of C19. Her nursing home was/is on the news — a hotspot.

As her POA I visited her in the covid ward of a major hospital. I also handled her nursing home belongings. No problem. This was three weeks ago.

The nurses at the covid ward were relaxed and controlled. That section of the hospital did not appear busy. I was issued protection. Based on my research on the virus not once was I concerned about complications. I did not develop any symptoms.

Based on my research, my health profile is not the target market of this virus. If I had co-morbidities or if I made lifestyle choices which reduce the immune system, I would have been concerned.

It is unfortunate that officials do not clearly identify the health profiles of those most vulnerable to this virus — and the controllable and uncontrollable factors which put people at risk.

In my view this is not a virus or health issue. This was an economic issue from Day 1.

#177 Ronaldo on 05.15.20 at 9:00 pm

#14 JacqueShellacque on 05.15.20 at 2:53 pm
Death can come at any time and in many forms. But what I really fear is growing old in a stagnant, indebted, unstable society where government is everywhere but does nothing, and I can’t go anywhere or do anything.
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Indeed. And being under the watchfull eye of the neighbourhood self appointed Covid cop salivating to turn you into the Dept. of Covidness if you break any of the rules they’ve laid down or take your dog for a walk.

#178 Marco on 05.15.20 at 9:03 pm

#155 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 7:53 pm

Well as I understand, Russians and Cubans cleaned crap in Italia. And bragging about how Italia is ahead of anything. Ya, some salami and cheese. And about education? Slamming in almost every post Canadian education and sarcastically calling Canucks the best educated people on earth. And all of that from the land of Dottores dei miei stivalli. Well you just miss to tell us how exactly Italia got a virus. Maybe you sold to much of business and land to China? So stick to familiar caro amico Italiano. Mama mia. Ajuto. By the way a lot of canucks speak at least two languages. How about cultured Italians?
Few words of English if I am lucky. Curzio Malaparte is Italia, not mafia propaganda so prevailing in North America.

#179 JakeR on 05.15.20 at 9:10 pm

I don’t fear getting the virus itself. However, I live with my elderly mom. I could get it and not even notice. She probably has a 10-20% chance of dying if I give it to her.

#180 Boomer Bill on 05.15.20 at 9:12 pm

Foremr neighbour across the street, late 70s was in a long term care facility, had Parkinsons, got Covid19 and died in his sleep two days later.

#181 TurnerNation on 05.15.20 at 9:15 pm

Had reported to me bumper to bumper traffic leading up to Bancroft this evening. Cottage cheesed off for the stay away guy.

#134 Dolce Vita small point. I got all my needles as a child. First world country, family doctor on hand.
Still I came down with the Measles. A week of red itchy and it was gone.
My point is there is no one size fits-all-bodies.
– Did my body reject the vax?
– Did my body react to the vax thus leading to a full blown case?
– Was the vax ineffective to some people?
– And the list goes on.

#182 Mayor of Milton2 on 05.15.20 at 9:15 pm

#28 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 3:10 pm That’s right folks! Hurry on down to a better place. Milton, Milton, MILTON. Milton baby. Oh yeah!

#183 Doug t on 05.15.20 at 9:17 pm

#126 cottage nut

Get a life ya nutter

#184 604Sam on 05.15.20 at 9:18 pm

Every question on that survey is junk Garth, because they all assume that someone would KNOW if they were infected. The vast majority of people who get infected will show no symptoms, but still be infectious. So a strapping young millennial like myself could be sick and walk around infecting dozens of people and never know. Maybe none of those dozens will ever know. But if I infect a dozen and they infect a dozen all of a sudden we’re at 144 infections, statistically 1 or 2 of those people WILL DIE.

This is a very low risk disease for the vast majority of people, and high risk for a select few. Opening up early and flaunting the rules is a tacit admonition that you plain don’t give a shit about the elderly and infirm.

#185 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.15.20 at 9:19 pm

Turn around and go back.

#186 SusanM on 05.15.20 at 9:23 pm

Survey omits asking for age range or whether there is a health-related basis for certain fears. Design flaw? Or are the survey questions skewing responses, potentially confirming the oft-stated p.o.v. (in the blog) that the SARS CoV-2 virus isn’t as virulent as we’ve been warned?

#187 Phylis on 05.15.20 at 9:36 pm

Oh and the polymer bills can be washed if you have some time on your hands as we all seem to have here. 20sec. Coins too. I recommend do it all together at once to save time and comment more.

#188 will on 05.15.20 at 9:36 pm

#134 Dolce Vita

hey Dolce! the article was actually written by Mike Whitney. can you separate the writer from the website please…

#189 Kaleycat on 05.15.20 at 9:39 pm

I recommended by daughter and hubby defer the mortgage. She is laid off, he’s working. But who knew what would happen or how long it would last? Better to have extra cash if needed, and if not, why just use the money to make part of the extra payment allowed each year (usually about 20% of the original mortgage amount). Yes it’ll cost a bit of interest to carry that extra debt for a few months – but cheap insurance given the situation.

Speaking of cash – saw the internet collapse here during the BC wildfires. But I could still pump gas with cash – debit, hmmm, not so much. In an emergency always keep the car full, a packed bag by the door, and cash in your pocket.

#190 Lost...but not leased on 05.15.20 at 9:41 pm

#161 Faron on 05.15.20 at 8:16 pm

Ok, and I’ll try not to snicker when I see you shouting nonsense and being ignored on a city corner.

Happy maylong, off to a BBQ

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Blah blah blah and yawn.
Actually…more sheeple the BETTER…they can go first.

Knock yourself out at BBQ….

Duly note New Zealand has loosened restrictions….for now…( but gee..why bother passing the legislation below ???)

Still don’t get it ???
Google “CONTACT TRACING” as well

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2020/0246/latest/whole.html?fbclid=IwAR3aOyq-NbVc7FdNdrV2NvW7xdwha9O-x8B9RSY72peiFPH1SExzFVGNbwk#LMS344177

#191 John Kenmuir on 05.15.20 at 9:50 pm

Garth I applaud your efforts to objectively probe, where politicians and bureaucrats fear to go. That said I count market research as one of my professional skill sets. Your survey was well done until the last question. I don’t think asking people, particularly wrinkled ones, whether they are afraid of dying, is pertinent, in the context of your other questions about Covid. Will be interested to see the results in any event.

#192 Indigirl on 05.15.20 at 9:52 pm

In your poll I said I fear being infected. But mostly because I don’t want to pass it onto anyone – especially at work. I think how many people it could spread to and I don’t want that being my fault!!

#193 Reality is stark on 05.15.20 at 9:54 pm

A lot of folks on this blog seem to loathe cost control. They don’t mind spending other people’s money.
Guess what stupkoffs when you don’t bring in the revenue you have to get by with less. You give away your manufacturing jobs to Asia and try to make an economy by flipping houses you suffer the long slow inevitable consequences.
Online courses make sense. You can go to high school and university every other day. First year lecture halls at university are ridiculous. Many of the professors had trouble speaking English. You can rewatch standard lectures on first year courses and just attend a tutorial class once a week.
In Ontario alone we have 35% more teachers than we need. That’s a lot of cost.
We have a massive health care bill because people abuse themselves by smoking and overeating. These folks also believe that you owe them for their recklessness.
No one wants to take responsibility, they just want someone else to bail them out. Usually they go after the rich because it is the rich who have money.
They don’t want to emulate the rich because that takes way too much discipline.
The fairy tale is that a ring should be 3 months salary. The reality is that you will be buying your own ring since no one is dumb enough to buy one of those depreciating assets during deflationary times.
LEARN TO CUT COSTS.
Expect and demand that your government cuts costs along with you.
Stop expecting government services for every little need.
What is wrong with you people?

#194 Fused on 05.15.20 at 10:01 pm

USO keeps slowly moving upward, same with CCL why discuss the covid 19 cold, complete nothingburger, what are some other good plays.
Sail Away you recommended not buying into USO to Lee, Lee should keep buying call LEAPs, make a fortune, I bet it gets back to $100. World runs on oil.

#195 mick Mclean on 05.15.20 at 10:08 pm

Here in TO we have a mayor who closed down huge High Park as he couldn’t manage a viewing for mostly senior citizens over a number of days. Now this egomaniac with his emergency powers has closed down major portions of our lakeshore drive, basically making it very difficult for many who don’t bike or are infirm to enjoy our beautiful waterfront. Today he cancelled all city camps till at least mid July. This is the same Mayor Tory who along with the medical officer of health, Dr Eileen De Villa (who should have known better) castigated Torontonians as racist for not chowing down at a buffet as late as mid February.

#196 Classical Liberal Millennial on 05.15.20 at 10:09 pm

Had a minor furnace issue a few weeks back that required a $300 handshake with a local HVAC guy I know.
Cash ain’t going anywhere, despite what “realist” up there thinks.

#197 Nonplused on 05.15.20 at 10:10 pm

I’d suggest a few tweaks to how you format your surveys.

First move the part where it says “thank you” to the bottom so one does not have to scroll up to see if it worked. Then on to the questions themselves. I’m adding my additional answer below the originals:

(1) Have you been infected by COVID-19?
Yes
No
Not that I know of

(2) Has a family member or relative been infected by COVID-19?
Yes
No
Not that I know of

(3) If a family member or relative has been infected by COVID-19, did that person recover or die?
Recovered
Died
Not Applicable / Skip
I don’t know if anyone was infected

(4) Do you know of anyone connected to you (colleagues, friends) infected by COVID-19?
Yes
No

(5) Do you personally fear becoming infected by COVID-19?
Yes
No
Somewhat
I’m worried about it

(6) Do you fear dying if in future you are infected by COVID-19?
Yes
No
Somewhat
I’m worried about it

The problem with the “yes/no” “black/white” answers is that I think a large number of people (including myself) really don’t know what to think at this point. A half way answer would be good to measure the uncertainty people have.

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As for delaying mortgage payments, I agree with “this blog dog” to a certain degree. Things are very hard to predict, especially the future, so you kind of have to make decisions based on what you know now or have experienced in the past. Delaying mortgage payments now while the interest rates seem to be below the rate of inflation might be the play of the day. It’s sort of like do you take CPP now or at 65? Now is usually better.

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Went out today to get some garden stuff because it’s planting weekend, expecting that the crowds at Home Depot would be light as they have been recently. Nope. Busiest I’ve ever seen it, including lines and social distancing measures. I have never even before covid seen the parking lot so full. Apparently the quarantine is over. We bailed on the line at HD and went to Canadian Tire across the road. Still extremely busy but not as bad as HD and had most of the same stuff. Mask usage at CT about 25%, HD less than 5%.

Also went in to Shopper’s Drug Mart and crowds were light. No masks or hand sanitizer available yet, but they have groceries! We filled the tiny cart they have there up. I am embarrassed to say I did buy a 12 pack of toilet paper even though I have lots. You never know. But I think I am reaching “peak toilet paper” and I never ran out and bought my stash one packet at a time through the pandemic. You don’t have to buy all of it at once. We still need to go to the store say once every 2 weeks to get milk and eggs. That has, at one pack per customer, allowed me to come to a point where I have never had even had half this much toilet paper on hand. The toilet paper panic was silly.

And my wife grabbed a bag of spicy peanuts, and I was “no, grab 3”. They are yummy and we go through them and they store well. There are shortages of certain items, but if you think outside the box a bit there is still plenty of stuff to put in the cart. More than you can fit in the cart actually. Even at Shopper’s Drug mart. And the milk was cheap like Costco, which is why we went in. I will have to be honest I didn’t really look at the other prices I just loaded stuff into the cart.

#198 Richmond will be underwater by 2014 on 05.15.20 at 10:19 pm

136 IHCTD9

One thing Trudeau needs to get on ASAP, is making refunds mandatory for Airline tickets where flights have been cancelled due to CV like the EU and USA have. Right now, Canadian airlines only have have to offer a voucher, and they have an expiry date!

We’re going to end up with two useless airline ticket vouchers for a one time event that is cancelled… period.

We’d probably be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar trying to sell these things.
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So lots of teeth gnashing over this. We have three round trip flights that have been transferred to vouchers.
Trudeau abseloutly can not force the airlines to give refunds. If he does they will declare bankruptcy immediately, or Trudeau will give them the mother of all bailouts with the announcement.
The airlines in the states are openly defying the law and not giving refunds for this exact reason.
So careful what you wish for. If they go bankrupt you get nothing.
I do believe the pressure will continue to build and the airlines will be forced to extend the validity dates of the vouchers.

#199 Figure it Out on 05.15.20 at 10:20 pm

Kinda sad about the whole survey. Are you scared yes/no? Surely it’s a continuum 1-10. I don’t think there’s many with absolutely no fear, nor who are paralyzed by it. But presenting it as a dichotomy just leads to confirmation bias and partisan sniping.The caricatures which one “side” (of an issue which doesn’t inherently have sides) have painted of the other “side” don’t conform to opinions I’ve read, or people I know. Each paints the other as extreme and unreasonable — which is of course a great way to justify bad behaviour.

Well done, people.

#200 Sail Away on 05.15.20 at 10:27 pm

#169 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 8:44 pm
#162 Sail away

Take care Sail away and Ponzi, come to Italia when all this virus BS has blown over and I promise you more than one Spritz on me at Cafe Florian in Piazza San Marco, Venezia…you can come to Sail away.

Or a Bellini at Harry’s Bar in Venezia, just a couple though they cost a bomb…best Bellini’s in the World, after all, they invented them.

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Sounds great! My wife and I are planning an August trip to attend a wedding in Slovakia, then hiking a week in the Polish Tatras. Italy might be too far but we’ll see.

Could end up in IH’s position if no flights, of course.

#201 Sail Away on 05.15.20 at 10:36 pm

#194 Fused on 05.15.20 at 10:01 pm

USO keeps slowly moving upward, same with CCL why discuss the covid 19 cold, complete nothingburger, what are some other good plays.

Sail Away you recommended not buying into USO to Lee, Lee should keep buying call LEAPs, make a fortune, I bet it gets back to $100. World runs on oil.

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Did I? I try not to recommend, since no good can come of it.

My thought is that oil will always be used but is hugely volatile due to Russia and Saudi. My approach to cheap oil is buy industries that benefit from cheap oil.

I don’t know enough about oil industry producer worldwide logistics to feel comfortable recommending either way.

#202 no blog for old men on 05.15.20 at 10:47 pm

@#136 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:07 pm
One thing Trudeau needs to get on ASAP, is making refunds mandatory for Airline tickets where flights have been cancelled due to CV like the EU and USA have. Right now, Canadian airlines only have have to offer a voucher, and they have an expiry date!

We’re going to end up with two useless airline ticket vouchers for a one time event that is cancelled… period.

We’d probably be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar trying to sell these things.
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west jet would only give me points.
my credit card however fully reimbursed.
If you bought your tix on credit you may want to check with them. depends on the card you have maybe.

#203 Cowtown Cowboy on 05.15.20 at 10:49 pm

Jeezus this website sucks on iPads

#204 Deplorable Dude on 05.15.20 at 10:53 pm

Unless you live in long term care facility i think your odds are pretty good of surviving. 82% of all Canadian C19 deaths have been in LTC.

Also existing contact/trace studies show that children are basically immune, and don’t appear to be transmission vectors.

#205 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 11:11 pm

#149 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.15.20 at 7:38 pm
#136 IHCTD9 on 05.15.20 at 7:07 pm
One thing Trudeau needs to get on ASAP, is making refunds mandatory for Airline tickets where flights have been cancelled due to CV like the EU and USA have. Right now, Canadian airlines only have have to offer a voucher, and they have an expiry date!

We’re going to end up with two useless airline ticket vouchers for a one time event that is cancelled… period.

We’d probably be lucky to get 50 cents on the dollar trying to sell these things.

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You’re are an expert in gaming the system.
You bet wrong this time.
Take it like the man you pretend to be.
And next time, vote for Trudeau.
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Hey Ponzie buddy, did I mention I just fired both my auto and home insurance carriers and signed up with new ones? Saved over a grand with just a few phone calls.

You should give it a try. Just call up ICBC and tell them if they put your premium up one more time, you’re going to fire their @sses and go with some other insurance company :).

With all the money you’ll save, you can thank me by buying these useless plane tickets off me.

#206 sailedaway on 05.15.20 at 11:43 pm

#3 Interstellar Old Yeller on 05.15.20 at 2:28 pm

Real scones? not those godawful “biskitsss”?

Give me your address, I’m on my way

#207 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.15.20 at 11:43 pm

I would like to send a shout out to Smoking Man.

All the grumpy old blog dogs who lust after the “Nectonite way of life” are still rooting for you Smokey.

Keep fighting the good fight Brudda.
We hate the system just as much as you do.

Never say Never.

And….if you’re ….ever……ever….EVER…….in a smelly elevator….

Thats ME!

#208 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.15.20 at 11:54 pm

@#185 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY

Hmmm
I’m still thinkin that Mr COTTAGERS….. is….

Apocalypse2020….

Silly me….. thinking that “cottage country” may have an ulterior motive,……

He gets alllllllll the canned beans…..and the 30 year old Candy Loving Playmate mags……

Mooo hooo haa haaa haaa.
Silly Hu-mans.

#209 Damifino on 05.15.20 at 11:58 pm

#14 JacqueShellacque

Death can come at any time and in many forms. But what I really fear is growing old in a stagnant, indebted, unstable society where government is everywhere but does nothing, and I can’t go anywhere or do anything.
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Congratulations Jacque! That is, without a doubt, the most depressing comment of the year… so far.

#210 TrendIsYourFriend on 05.16.20 at 12:02 am

Patrick #18

exact same situation in our case – same time, same symptoms, nasty dry cough and fever and diarrhea, missed school… I was the only one home who only had sore throat for a week, then all good.
Will take antibody test when available

#211 Nonplused on 05.16.20 at 12:08 am

Oh and re: cash. I am not sure how everyone punching their pin in on the same 12 buttons is better.

#212 TRON on 05.16.20 at 12:14 am

The Covid 19 debate is being censored by the Liberals. Steven Guilbeault, Minister of Canadian Heritage, a Greenpeace activist who protested his way to the top, is responsible for legislating censored speech on anything Covid 19 that does not agree with the government narrative. No commons debate just like the gun ban.

I truly have no hope for Canada and I hate saying that. Listening to Trudeau speak makes me wish I was deaf.

Canada was gifted with abundance and did great things with hard work to build a nation. Everyday Trudeau is eroding the foundation of our country and Canadians are cheering like unknowing sheep to the slaughter.

#213 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.16.20 at 12:16 am

@#184 604 Sam
“Every question on that survey is junk Garth, because they all assume that someone would KNOW if they were infected.”
+++

Apparently “irony” was not in your university curriculum.
Hidden in the Greaterfool survey….what was not asked…but implied……by it’s absence ……….

The govt HAS NOT been testing the majority of the population for Covid1984 ……….

Do you know anyone ……ANYONE…..that has been tested?
Doctors and nurses get tested day after day after day……ok… i get it …….but anyone else? Anywhere?

I dont……

Crisis? Emergency?
Nah….just a “panic” that the govt uses to generate votes…

#214 happygolucky on 05.16.20 at 12:30 am

#82 espressobob on 05.15.20

Hopefully if we follow all the protocols this will create a controlled burn instead of a out of control wildfire experienced in Italy.
Nasty little bug, but I’m betting it can’t handle overproof bourbon.
Only time will tell?
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You right on bourbon, works for me…
“Controlled burn” and Covid –19, hilarious, so far the best and I am LOL, seriously!
Out of control wildfires are natural occurrence too, and very beneficial to ecosystem, new life thrives on ashes, nothing is wasted there, have you ever seen “fire weeds” blooming, they are awesome.
Let’s go to Italy next year, and see all the “young, handsome and pretty”, like it never happened…

#215 Good Survey on 05.16.20 at 1:04 am

A few points
I use credit because I get the points, rarely pay cash unless it’s cheap, but then again I use Coffee apps as well.
Funny all my life I always felt there were virus on coins, always washed my hands, never fear bills

No I don’t fear getting the virus because statistically it’s so low why worry. Again 870,000 on Vancouver island we had 126 cases, 5. Million in BC 2,407 cases
36 million beavers 74,600
I practice social distancing, wash my hands don’t touch my face.
I think this will be great to fight colds and flus in the future.
I will wear a mask if required in a store, only because of social responsibility.
As I have said many times I have been very sick from flying on planes because of idiots who are sick and travel.
I will be so happy everyone wearing a mask on a plane I will never be sick again!

I think Canadians are getting very aware that the government screwed up in the beginning first not making travellers isolate for 14 days and then not preparing with medical supplies. And I believe if they locked everyone down for three weeks, then it would have been over and done with, not this prolonged slow bleed.
Then they screwed up by shutting down the economy
Maybe we saved the hospitals from overflowing but now we are two years waiting for operations.
And the funny thing there is absolutely no facts the actions they took were correct. And don’t give me any bull and say look at Italy Spain United States, all different cultures.
Like Quebec culture is different from BC
Statistics are manipulated by people to justify there care.
Thanks for the post.

#216 VicPaul on 05.16.20 at 1:28 am

#85 James on 05.15.20 at 4:52 pm
When the lock down conversation first came along, mid April, I thought it would be prudent to have some cash
“just in case” so I pulled $400 from an ATM.

I am still carrying that cash.

Nobody wants it.

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I gave a young pro at the club a green bill and a sleeve of balls for a good turn he had done for my son – he seemed happy to receive it.

I also agree with Calgary Rip Off – I’ve been heavy with the Emergen C -1000mg in my water bottle and Vit C +D3 500mg…so far, so good.

M56BC

#217 Bob Dog on 05.16.20 at 1:44 am

One serious question has arisen over the last few months. Why are so many Canadians living paycheque to paycheque? And why do we not see smoke from the smouldering bodies of the lawmaker and politicians that created this situation?

#218 Where'd All That Money Go, Gweedeau? on 05.16.20 at 2:10 am

Re: #227 Damifino on 05.15.20 at 10:37 am

There may be 1000’s of listings but from my experience the last 5 years, on Craigslist/Kijiji any ad that has the address, or allows pets/smoking, and/or has a long “sales” type explanation for the property, it’s a scam. Just copy the sales explanation into google and it will show the real estate ad.
I found that 90%+ rental ads are bogus scams.

#219 happygolucky on 05.16.20 at 2:54 am

#94 Millennial Realist on 05.15.20

#33 Carole and #69 Stone are both correct.
“No cash means less chance of misbehavior on the part of owners/managers. I believe our chances of being audited have dropped considerably.
and
Cashless is better. It will also destroy the underground economy and I’m 100% in favour of its destruction. Bye bye mafia, bye bye all other criminal organizations.”
This all will naturally lead right into transactional taxation. Full accountability and taxes charged at a very low level on ALL (now electronic) transactions will result in a more transparent, efficient and fair taxation system.
This is the future. Especially now, when we all feel a bit creepy exchanging bills and coins with cashiers, when tap is so much more efficient and safe. Lots of stores now will even email me a bill, so no paper touching needed there at all. Plus e-coupons and bonus points, what’s not to like?
Covid can last minutes, hours, up to many days on paper surfaces.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/health-professionals/assumptions.html#a5)
https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces
Brian Ripley has posted on this here and his website has info on the benefits of transactional taxation.
If you were a store owner starting fresh now, why even consider taking cash? Even those stubborn and reluctant paleo-Boomer customers are now getting used to online/phone delivery service – problem solved.
Be part of the change.
Or be run over by it.
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Covid, mafia, fraudsters, dirty bills, coins, door handles, damn people touching everything,
Creepy, creepy world and it’s everywhere…
STAY HOME, stay put, or be run over by IT

#220 happygolucky on 05.16.20 at 3:43 am

#178 the Jaguar on 05.14.20

For serious people, the link below is a hot off the press and timely interview with Art Berman about the future of oil in the current pandemic, etc. I love this guy, perhaps because he has such arresting eyes. A good listen, but particularly at about 37:00 when the discussion turns to low oil demand and the impact on refineries, diesel fuel, what’s actually involved in shutting in a well. I also find the analysis of price of oil versus price/value to society and price as it relates to GDP very interesting. Also at about 52:00 one can hear why heavy oil such as the type produced in places like Canada and Venezuela is so important to the US and world economy. The prospect of nationalization of the industry is also discussed. What incredible mayhem this pandemic will cause. Note the importance of diesel fuel for industrial farming and in so many other applications.
Elizabeth May and Yves-François Blanchet: This wouldn’t be your ‘cup of tea’. The two of you can just go back to your cheese doodles, Netflix and other internet porn if so desired. Here is the link for those who are interested and open minded:
https://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-329-chatting-with-art-berman-about-trouble-in-the-oil-patch/#more-12394‘
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Yes, Alberta oil is not “dead”, and futures start looking good.
Enbridge is starting new, ingenious in my opinion project. Deactivated pipeline Manitoba-Saskatchewan will be used to temporarily store Alberta oil, starting June or July (about 1MB)
Next year, after her last, revived service is completed, pipeline will be scrapped for good, would like to have small piece of it…

Elizabeth May and Francois Blanchet: “those who think by the inch, and talk by the yard deserve to be kicked by the foot”

https://energynow.ca/2020/05/an-open-letter-tp-elizabeth-may-member-of-parliament-deidra-gayrk/

https://energynow.ca/2020/05/its-time-to-call-the-nonsense-put-forward-by-ms-may-and-mr-blanchet-for-what-it-is-greg-mclean-mp-calgary-centre/

#221 Gentle Ben on 05.16.20 at 4:21 am

BANNED

#222 Jason Melan on 05.16.20 at 5:30 am

Speaking of ‘Filthy Lucre’, how many times with the ‘FED’ etc , ‘BOJ, BOC, BOE , IMF ‘ keep making the same mistakes?

Ever since the BOJ led Japans banks into ‘never never land’ in the 80’s and Greenspan the US Banks out of the black and into the RED in 2000, to be repeated again with the Lehman Crisis in 08, how many times will the first rule of Capitalism be ignored? How many times must we bail out Argentina? Or any country?

These sectors and companies that over extend themselves or fundamentally fail must not be propped up, there is no ‘too big to fail’ . Only then will fresh green shoots appear and a natural process create new stronger companies and sectors.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/fed-warns-of-significant-hit-to-asset-prices-if-pandemic-grows-1.1437112

By backstopping failures we only end up with a failure of capitalism. Naturally this is a problem that must be dealt with if capitalism is to survive. Cull the weak, breed a new culture.

If commercial real estate prices or assets are over valued then let them fail. I for one will be happy to throw my hat into the ring at much lower prices, and so the world goes on.

#223 BillyBob on 05.16.20 at 5:31 am

A colleague of mine died from Covid-19. He was the Base Chief Pilot for our Barcelona base. 52, no prior risk factors. Fit, certainly to the medical standards have to meet. I didn’t know him personally.

Only one so far. Would definitely fall in the “excess morbidity” category.

But at least he won’t have to die a thousand deaths or whatever Sail Away was blathering about, so there’s that.

#224 BillyBob on 05.16.20 at 5:32 am

*medical standards PILOTS have to meet*

#225 Toronto_CA on 05.16.20 at 5:54 am

#167 Dolce Vita on 05.15.20 at 8:34 pm
#148 Toronto_CA

Why do I bother.

Not a single number you have quoted is even, remotely near 70-75%. Not even close if the game were horseshoes and hand grenades.

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Why do you bother? I didn’t ever say those studies were close to 70-75%; I just ridiculed you for thinking that Sweden only had 29k cases of covid-19 because that’s stupid to think.

29% of the population in the UK per the study would be 20milion infections, and yes, not close to 70-75% but nearly halfway there. It would imply the virus is so spread that lockdowns don’t achieve anything at that point. 29k out of 10,000,000 Swedes is not even 0.1%. Quite a difference between 29% and 0.1%, which is the point I was making and that you ignored.

You can attack the news media sources you don’t like all you want. It is irrelevant here because we’re talking about a University of Manchester study reported by many media (sorry I grabbed the first link on Google, it’s on a dozen others). It’s much more relevant to attack the study if you don’t believe it, rather than the particular media that reported it. Don’t shoot the messenger and all that.

Next time, don’t bother. You come across really belligerent and unintelligent in your rants.

#226 Do we have all the facts on 05.16.20 at 6:33 am

It is no secret that elderly citizens with compromised immune systems are vulnerable to a wide range of viral and bacterial infections. This is true all around the world.

In spite of this knowledge all levels of government in Canada are supporting a long term care environment where basic accommodation continues to mean four residents per room, communal dining and common spaces. This type of environment supports the rapid spread of viral infections such as Covid 19.

Instead of panicking and locking down the entire world each time the WHO rings the viral alarm bell it might be more prudent to focus on improving the chances of survival for the most vulnerable.

In Ontario alone there is an immediate need for an additional 38,000 long term care beds and for the renovation or improvement of 30,000 beds in older facilities.

In 2019 the Province of Ontario spent $4.28 billion to support 78,000 long term beds in 626 long term care facilities. Approximately 365 of these facilities are operated by for-profit companies and the balance are operated as Non-profit entities or a municipal government.

I find it curious that our governments can come up with hundreds of billions of dollars to support the general population during the Covid 19 crisis while all but ignoring the urgent need to improve the quality of life and health care of elderly citizens who require long term care

Just once I would like to hear a political leader anywhere in the world focus on the immediate need to improve the way the most vulnerable citizens could be protected from all forms of viral or bacterial infections.

Continuing to place four residents in a room, allowing communal activities and external visitors once a serious viral infection becomes identified should not be part of future strategies.

We now know that a significant percentage of all deaths from Covid 19 occurred in long term care facilities or to elderly citizens with compromised immunity.

Compare that to the very small percentage of $500 billion that was dedicated to protecting these citizens from viral infections today and in the future.

It just doesn’t make any sense to me. We need a better plan!!

#227 James on 05.16.20 at 7:04 am

THiS IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO US ALL
If you have ever worked in Canada you are about to get screwed. Especially if you have been financially responsible and have little debt!

Here is an article from Today’s Globe and Mail giving a description of Universal Basic Income that is coming.

Something is being telegraphed loudly in the article. Take a look at the SECOND bar graph showing “How much would an Ontarian earn per month from CERB vs. other benefits?”

Notice that Canada Pension Plan (CPP) payments are NOT in the graph!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-cerb-and-other-coronavirus-benefits-wont-last-forever-or-will-they/

That’s because the government plans to absorb the CPPIB…the body that manages the CPP money…YOUR CPP money.

The CCPIB had holdings of $420 BILLION dollars as of December 2019. YOUR GOVERNMENT INTENDS TO STEAL THAT FROM YOU TO:

1) pay for their stupid over spending due to the Covid Virus

2) finance a Universal Basic Income program.

The kicker is .. if you have been financial responsible and have savings, investments, a home paid off, etc you won’t get the CPP that you paid for and your Universal Basic Income you will be clawed back.

Amazing really…if Canadian allow this to happen.

Imagine allowing the government to steal 420 BILLION dollars of YOUR money to pay for their screw ups!

Read the article if you want…look for ANY mentioned of CPP payments. There is no mention because they will confiscate your CPP…the CPP that was taken from you with every paycheck since you started working.

Mr Turner…why are you not giving this more attention? You have had ample warning.

Stand down. The CPP is a defined-benefit pension plan whose assets belong to the beneficiaries, not the administrator. Ain’t happening. – Garth

#228 TurnerNation on 05.16.20 at 7:27 am

**Watch your travel rights.
They’ll not pass a law banning you…but make it so expensive – think carbon taxes and limiting supply.
A big part This shut down was to kill Demand and scale back all travel options. Hotels, car rental companies going bankrupt.
– trapped in your local city. Greyhound shut down.
– Via rail is not doing cross country only local as I understand it. No business class . Stopping at every station. Slow.
– Cities are actively closing streets to car traffic.
– Ontario’s GO Transit train/busses scaled back.
– The snare is tightening. But you are free to leave at any time…until car travel is restricted.
The end goal? Marking most of Earth’s land as protected and off limits to you. UN agenda.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5572596

“The airline said it is currently flying at about five per cent of the capacity it flew last year and hopes to ramp up to 25 per cent later in the year if government-imposed travel restrictions are eased. Landry said in the memo that the airline was burning $22 million a day.”

#229 Wrk.dover on 05.16.20 at 7:42 am

In 1968, I was 15 years old, weighed 100lbs., could clean press 100lbs three times in a row then bench press 130lbs. ten times quickly, with heavy breathing.

I got hit with the flu like Slim Pickens got hit by that Freightliner Cabover in White Line Fever.

Out of school 2 1/2 weeks, could hardly walk back.

Have had dozens of bronchial infections since then, many of them developing into pneumonia.

I hope Corvid 19 is only as wimpy as that stain was.

I answered yes. Frightened. For everybody.

#230 willworkforpickles on 05.16.20 at 7:49 am

In 6 years the economy will normalize after bottoming out in late 2023 , Normalize after our standard of living has drifted steadily lower beyond recognizable from the current norm.
Tenants and landlords will be living in tents. Lenders and bankers will be living in tenants and landlords previous dwellings. The poor will be dead. The rich will be sipping Highland Park Scotch from within their glorious mansions. Life will change. Life is changing.

#231 Gpraghav on 05.16.20 at 8:06 am

I was at the grocery store. The guy in front of me touched his tongue to separate the currency note. I promptly requested the grocery store worker to change gloves. Does touching one’s tongue spread the virus. No idea. But don’t want to take a chance.

#232 Ace Goodheart on 05.16.20 at 9:11 am

RE: #230 willworkforpickles on 05.16.20 at 7:49 am:

“The rich will be sipping Highland Park Scotch from within their glorious mansions.”

Good God! Highland Park? Tell me this isn’t true. Does the world run out of The Balvenie?

#233 maxx on 05.16.20 at 9:28 am

@ #2

IMHO, that “pent up demand” is a bone marrow deep thirst for prices that make sense. Just utter the phrase that you are looking for value to a realtard and watch the reaction.

Prices today for the most part, correlate largely to fear and economy-damaging low rates. 2 very powerful devices to get people to part with their hard-earned cash. And oh, how Canuckleheads got sucked in.

I intend to buy another property, but it won’t be at realtard-induced, demented prices.

Wait. Vultch and vultch without mercy dawgs.

#234 Axehead on 05.16.20 at 9:45 am

Garth, although they can’t (or won’t) take the survey , I asked my Hutterite friends if they have any cases of Covid-19 on their colony, or other colonies in Alberta. The response: “not a whisper”.

#235 Dharma Bum on 05.16.20 at 9:56 am

RESIST.

Ignore the hype. Control your fear.
It’s all in your head.

This entire ridiculous scenario has become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Just get on with your lives, to the fullest extent possible.

Yesterday, I went grocery shopping to 3 different stores, I went to Home Depot, I did some repairs around the house, I went for a run, I had a few beers, I made a fire in the backyard fire pit, I had a barbecue, drank some wine, talked to some friends, and generally enjoyed the day, indoors and out.

There were some minor annoyances, like waiting in a couple of line ups, but I can live with that as opposed to having the government shut everything down and telling me what to do. I would still ignore them anyway.

The virus is in your head. Like the bogey man. You kill it by ignoring it and going about your business. It’s a lie. It’s fiction. It’s fake. It’s only harmful if you believe it.

Like religion.

#236 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.16.20 at 9:58 am

If you drove into cottage country last night, it is time to leave. You made a selfish and stupid mistake.

Have a coffee. Lock your doors. Drive back home. Right now. The traffic is perfect. You can have a lovely day back in Oakville.

We don’t need ignorant southern hillbillies blocking our healthcare system.

#237 Dharma Bum on 05.16.20 at 9:59 am

#231 Gpraghav

Does touching one’s tongue spread the virus.
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Only if you touch his tongue with your tongue!

Ewwwwwwwwww…..grossssssssssss.

#238 Ballingsford on 05.16.20 at 9:59 am

#203 Cowtown Cowboy on 05.15.20 at 10:49 pm
Jeezus this website sucks on iPads

You still have an iPad!?! Get with the times.

#239 Dharma Bum on 05.16.20 at 10:09 am

#206 sailedaway on 05.15.20 at 11:43 pm
#3 Interstellar Old Yeller on 05.15.20 at 2:28 pm

Real scones? not those godawful “biskitsss”?

Give me your address, I’m on my way
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As long as they’re not those fake “muffiny” scones like Mocha Joe’s serves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfKAPjZtaUo

#240 Figure it Out on 05.16.20 at 10:15 am

“29% of the population in the UK per the study would be 20milion infections, and yes, not close to 70-75% but nearly halfway there.”

The UManchester study was a theoretical exercise — a mathematical model of where infection rates COULD be. Nothing wrong with that. But it has been superceded (in my opinion) by survey tests for seropositivity in France, Spain, a few other places. Which suggest 2-5% of population is seropositive in the hardest hit countries. A big multiple of symptomatic people who tested positive, but far, FAR below what would be needed to approach herd immunity.

#241 Gruff403 on 05.16.20 at 10:15 am

Re: Blog Dogs plan for deferring home loan. No big deal for him. He has a plan, saved well and thought through the process. If he’s wrong it only cost a few grand. His debt to asset ratio is a strong positive. If he won $265K this weekend on a lotto should he pay off mortgage or knock on Garth’s door for one of those balance and diversified portfolios? If it was me I would take a chunk of mortgage, gift some to kids, give some to charity, invest in market and plan a fantastic trip for when this all settles down. Debt is a tool if used wisely can grow your wealth and business. Good call blog dog. Right or wrong you’re thinking for yourself. Wish more would.

#242 Ballingsford on 05.16.20 at 10:23 am

#231 Gpraghav on 05.16.20 at 8:06 am
I was at the grocery store. The guy in front of me touched his tongue to separate the currency note. I promptly requested the grocery store worker to change gloves. Does touching one’s tongue spread the virus. No idea. But don’t want to take a chance.
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Gas station nozzles even worse. Especially when the person ahead of you puts their hands down their pants and scratches their butt. Then you have Ecoli and Corona to worry about.

Then they go to the store and touch your lettuce or bananas.

#243 Sail Away on 05.16.20 at 10:31 am

#223 BillyBob on 05.16.20 at 5:31 am

A colleague of mine died from Covid-19. He was the Base Chief Pilot for our Barcelona base. 52, no prior risk factors. Fit, certainly to the medical standards have to meet. I didn’t know him personally.

Only one so far. Would definitely fall in the “excess morbidity” category.

But at least he won’t have to die a thousand deaths or whatever Sail Away was blathering about, so there’s that.

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Most of my bird dogs die of old age. Two have died younger from other things. So 25% premature bird dog death rate. It’s risky being on the Sail Away bird dog team.

And I knew them both personally.

#244 Blog Bunny on 05.16.20 at 10:40 am

I only answered yes to nr 4 because I work in a red zone hospital with many Covid positive patients.

Am I afraid ? No.
Do I wear a mask in public ? No.
Do I go on with my life as much as possible ? Yes.

The only thing that worries me is a potential mandatory vaccine, but I have a huge pile of F&$k you money, so that will be one heath care worker less if I am treated like cattle. Oh, and did I mention a double citizenship ?

#245 AisA on 05.16.20 at 10:44 am

And the scam goes on….

Everyone I know figured out a month ago that covid 19 is a scam, a concerted manipulation of the public and the economy. There’s no help for the rest that wish to continue living a lie.

It’s a freaking cold.

#246 LP on 05.16.20 at 10:48 am

#226 Do we have all the facts on 05.16.20 at 6:33 am

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That is your solution? No dining room meals, no communal activities, no outside visitors! Why not just shoot me now before I have to endure your “solution”?

F72ON

#247 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.16.20 at 10:56 am

I think Felix got some ‘splainin’ to do…..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-pets/dutch-dog-three-cats-infected-with-coronavirus-minister-idUSKBN22R2EN

#248 Damifino on 05.16.20 at 11:11 am

#229 Wrk.dover

Anyone who’s had a respiratory disease that did not kill them but simply made them want to die will understand what you’re talking about. Those who have not wonder why people get so out of joint about a case of the sniffles.

#249 Do we have all the facts on 05.16.20 at 11:45 am

# 246 LP

I wasn’t talking about a permanent arrangement silly I was suggesting that once a serious virus reared it’s ugly head our governments should have initiated separation measures in long term care facilities and isolated the residents from external sources. We did just that only a couple of months late.

If this had been done world wide at the first sign of an outbreak thousands of lives would have been saved or prolonged.

I was also suggesting that four beds to a room might not be the best long term solution. Cost savings shouldn’t be
Our first priority. Sorry if that offends you.

#250 Looking up on 05.16.20 at 11:55 am

And the scam goes on….

Everyone I know figured out a month ago that covid 19 is a scam, a concerted manipulation of the public and the economy. There’s no help for the rest that wish to continue living a lie.

It’s a freaking cold.

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Clearly you’re not here posting on this board because you were laid off from NASA

#251 Moi on 05.16.20 at 12:02 pm

I want to qualify my answers to the survey. I said I feared being infected and dying, for absence of another choice. I’d say I am more cautious than scared. I am immunocompromised, so I am very careful, but that doesn’t change how I live.

As for the cash argument, I pay almost everything by credit card, but I do keep a healthy amount (not unreasably high) of cash on me. You never know: remember the big power outage of 2003?

#252 BillyBob on 05.16.20 at 12:03 pm

#243 Sail Away on 05.16.20 at 10:31 am
#223 BillyBob on 05.16.20 at 5:31 am

A colleague of mine died from Covid-19. He was the Base Chief Pilot for our Barcelona base. 52, no prior risk factors. Fit, certainly to the medical standards have to meet. I didn’t know him personally.

Only one so far. Would definitely fall in the “excess morbidity” category.

But at least he won’t have to die a thousand deaths or whatever Sail Away was blathering about, so there’s that.

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Most of my bird dogs die of old age. Two have died younger from other things. So 25% premature bird dog death rate. It’s risky being on the Sail Away bird dog team.

And I knew them both personally.

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American glibness: always hilarious! Y’know, I’ve got family in the Lower 48, friends too, so I try to counter some of the Yankee-hate I encounter in my global wanderings, but you sure don’t make my job any easier lol.

Sorry if I can’t quite grasp whatever point you’re trying to make about your stupid dogs. They’re to be equated to a human colleague?

Doubt their family would see it the same. But your opinion is noted.

#253 IHCTD9 on 05.16.20 at 12:05 pm

#236 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.16.20 at 9:58 am
If you drove into cottage country last night, it is time to leave. You made a selfish and stupid mistake.

Have a coffee. Lock your doors. Drive back home. Right now. The traffic is perfect. You can have a lovely day back in Oakville.

We don’t need ignorant southern hillbillies blocking our healthcare system.
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I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on realtors and the Leafs.

Like, do you think the Leafs suck, and realtors are a bunch of shysters?

#254 Tim123 on 05.16.20 at 12:16 pm

Cash is great as an emergency as was pointed out, if the network or power is offline then credit or debit will not work. Cash is also good in Bars and Casinos where you may not want to bring or use your credit or debit cards in case you decide to do something foolish especially when you are drinking.

#255 willworkforpickles on 05.16.20 at 2:38 pm

#232 …They say Highland Park Scotch has health benefits from sitting in European Oak casks for 12 years. The health conscience rich may appreciate that in another 6 years.

#256 BAC on 05.16.20 at 4:21 pm

Methinks your survey is flawed.

You ask ‘have you been infected by C0VID-19?’. But by that do you mean a confirmed case or a presumptive case?

I answered in the affirmative because my symptoms lead me to believe that I was infected in March. However, I was unable to get tested, so I don’t know this for certain. If you want only those who tested positive to answer ‘yes’ to this question, then my answer (and likely some others as well) will have contaminated your results.

BTW, according to the Canadian CDC, as of 8:30 a.m., May 16th, 1,265,502 Canadians have been tested for COVID-19. 1,194,380 tests came back negative. Is anyone else curious about what the 94% of those who were tested negative were sick with? Most of this group had to have been symptomatic or have been on the front lines of treating those who were. I know I was symptomatic and despite having called to try to get tested, I was refused on the grounds that I wasn’t symptomatic enough. How many of these people died of whatever it was that drove them to be tested and were these stats included in the ‘presumptive’ category of deaths from COVID-19?

At one time the stats for ‘confirmed’ and ‘presumptive’ deaths due to COVID-19 were reported separately, but it seems that when it became clear there weren’t going to be high enough numbers to justify the lockdown and looming economic consequences, this distinction vanished.

#257 CJ on 05.16.20 at 5:31 pm

I took the poll but it is meaningless. The reason not many people are infected is BECAUSE of social distancing. Not sure why that’s so hard to understand.
Had we not implemented those measures, our hospitals would have been inundated with Covid patients.
Social distancing worked. End of story.

#258 Sail Away on 05.16.20 at 6:25 pm

#255 willworkforpickles on 05.16.20 at 2:38 pm

#232 …They say Highland Park Scotch has health benefits from sitting in European Oak casks for 12 years. The health conscience rich may appreciate that in another 6 years.

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‘They’ being the Highland Park distillery?

And what health benefits are conferred from oak?

Seems suspect.

#259 J on 05.16.20 at 6:40 pm

I took the survey and while I personally don’t fear that I would die from the virus, my mom is 85 and I would not want to risk transmitting it to her.

#260 BESAFE on 05.16.20 at 7:42 pm

https://www.webmd.com/lung/how-long-covid-19-lives-on-surfaces

Hi Garth I didn’t look to see if I was banished but from your response I’m assuming so.

For your information the WHO at first said the Virus wasn’t airborne and they were wrong.

The Virus does live on surfaces and there is loads of research confirming it from all corners of the world.
I’m just letting people know since so many are oblivious.

The WHO is not the be all end all.

#261 willworkforpickles on 05.17.20 at 9:37 am

#258…The health benefits come from Roburins. They keep your mitochondria healthy supposedly giving you a sharper memory…more restful sleep…more energy & better mood…Aches and pains reduced by half…Lowered muscle discomfort. Aging in European oak barrels results in a higher content of Roburins than from other oak casks as is (malt) Highland Park scotch whiskey. I’ll drink to that.

#262 willworkforpickles on 05.17.20 at 9:37 am

#258…The health benefits come from Roburins. They keep your mitochondria healthy supposedly giving you a sharper memory…more restful sleep…more energy & better mood…Aches and pains reduced by half…Lowered muscle discomfort. Aging in European oak barrels results in a higher content of Roburins than from other oak casks as is (malt) Highland Park scotch whiskey. I’ll drink to that.

#263 Mary on 05.17.20 at 11:43 pm

? “About one in 10 Canadians no longer use cash, ever. That’s almost the mirror opposite of Swedes, where 85% of people never use folding money as that country moves to a fully cashless society.”