The win

The GreaterFool Nation’s latest poll results are in. A decent sample – over six thousand responses in the last 24 hours. This is interesting: the readership of this pathetic blog appears to drip with maskless cowboys, eschewing government pogey, worried about civil liberties but generally supporting political anti-virus actions and definitely not going shopping or eating out any time soon. Oh, and too damn many anti-vaxxers.

Full results below.

First, did you see the jobless reports? These are weird days when the loss of 1.9 million positions in a single month is considered a big reprieve. That’s what happened in Canada in April, hiking the unemployment rate to 13%. Economists, always a fun bunch, were expecting 18%. Maybe this is why. Here’s what StasCan said: “The unemployment rate in April would be 17.8% if those who had worked recently and wanted a job but did not search for work were included.” So the dollar went up. Stocks, too.

In the States over 20 million jobs evaporated in four weeks, pushing the rate to just under 15%, making Trump the only president since the 1930s to preside over such employment carnage. Actually the rate would have been 20% but millions left the workforce voluntarily. So, in response, the Vix (a gauge of investor fear) went down, bond yields went up and Wall Street advanced. Why? Because the worst news is now known. It gets better from here.

Unprecedented US job carnage. Is this the bottom?

Source: New York Times

The States is in recession. Us, too. But layoffs have levelled out. The number of people seeking a government handout (7.6 million in Canada, 33 million in the States) has trailed off. Economies are starting to trickle open again. Virus cases have peaked in most areas. Mortality rates are tiny in some provinces. The health care sector was not overwhelmed. If you can declare a ‘win’ in a global pandemic, this is one.

So, the gap continues. Financial markets plump as they anticipate recovery and feed off huge CB and government stimulus, but millions of people are unemployed, scores of businesses will fail and the backbone of the Canadian economy – house lust – has been doused. The wealthy hold assets and the rest hold debt. Thus, the chasm between financial investors and the mortgaged grows. As we told you, this will be a lasting legacy of the Year of Covid.

Remember, some 70% of Canadians are into residential real estate, many holding the bulk of their net worth there. So having almost 8 million unemployed or on the dole is a big deal. “How many of these families own homes?” asks mortgage broker Rob McLister. “A meaningful minority. But the bigger question is, how many will continue paying their mortgage after September if/when payment deferrals end? Many believe deferrals will have to be extended. Banks aren’t thrilled by that prospect but most would comply if prodded by the feds. It’s the smaller, less capitalized lenders that simply can’t keep deferring and could be in trouble.”

Recall that Home Capital yesterday increased its loan loss fund by over 650%. Getting ready for what’s coming.

But TD bank thinkers are not so pessimistic – at least for 2021. Sales levels will surge next year, they forecast, but before that, “financial stresses will force some homeowners to list their properties,” resulting in “an outsized decline in home prices in the second quarter.” After that, as economies reopen and jobs return, values start to restore. Now you know when to buy, and sell.

Clearly we’re in the middle of the mess. Not the end of the beginning, but now the beginning of the end. How many people find work again, how long mortgage deferrals or government benefits are in place, what happens to Trump in November, whether we get another virus wave, or a vaccine, or if business failures mount, or malls, rinks, restaurants reopen – all things we do not know.

But as stated here when this began, pandemics pass. They’re temporary, not structural. Recovery comes. How we survive depends on the manner in which politicians, banks, leaders, citizens and, yes, blog dogs respond.

And now to the vox canibus (6,511 unique responses):
(click on image for enlarged view of survey results)

233 comments ↓

#1 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 1:59 pm

Why is CERB $2000/month? I predicted why THREE years ago here.

See $2000 net grossed up by 20%, divided by a standard 160 hour work month…is $15 an hour.
(That is equivilant to working 40 hours each week at $15 per hour then paying 20% tax off the top. $2000/month is your net)

See below. How’d I know this years ago? Simple. Reverse everything our rulers say to make sense. Say how’s that Minister of Middle Class Prospertity these days??
(Kanada I heard has over $30 trillion in natural resource riches. There no way our rulers will let us have it. Get off Crown land land they own it all.

2017. Geez. Know the Globalists’ game:

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#175 TurnerNation on 12.26.17 at 8:26 am
What has been my prediction for this new $15 min wage in Ontariowe? Take everything our elites say and flip it 180 deg to make sense: $15 will be the MAXIMUM wage under globalism.

#166 TurnerNation on 09.11.17 at 8:04 am
Turn NewSpeak on its head: minimum wage = maximum wage.

#119 TurnerNation on 07.18.17 at 8:22 pm
A maximum wage of $15 net of taxes, carbon taxes and money stolen to overseas and never again seen

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

Any and all anti-vaxers should, in a new pandemic, be set aside in a box of their own and exposed to their hearts content to the agent.
The rest of us will be thus safe.
The survivors (if any) can be released into society when the pandemic is over.

#3 Free Investment Advice - Worth Every Penny! on 05.08.20 at 2:09 pm

Did I perhaps mention this before?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-us-restaurants-on-track-to-lose-240-billion-by-end-of-2020-survey/

US restaurants expect to lose $240 billion. Most have business interruption insurance that they thought covered such losses, which the companies are now declining, making them very angry.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/costofliving/the-she-cession-business-interruption-insurance-and-tax-tips-for-canadians-now-working-from-home-1.5559652

The total pool of insurance premiums the insurers have to possibly pay the $240 billion?

About $6 billion.

That’s just part of the story. Canada is similar too.

Do the math. The lawyers are, with class actions revving up.

If you have ANY investment in the insurance industry, even with index funds…….

Well, you can buy some popcorn anyway. (ConAgra stock, makers of Orville’s popcorn may be a good bet, LOL)

Disclaimer:

This investment advice is not professional advice and is offered free – though you can still buy me a virtual beer.

#4 MF on 05.08.20 at 2:10 pm

Thankfully the survey proves most blog dogs are sensible, flexible, and not easily swayed by radical views of any sort.

MF

#5 KNOW IT ALL on 05.08.20 at 2:10 pm

PREPARE….

10 dollar oil once storage facilities reach their max.
Cushing is almost full. The amount of tankers floating in the gulf and the coasts of California and Singapore filled with un-sellable is unreal.

23 Saudi super-tankers set to unload on the US system.

DOW/S&P/TSX will drop below the March lows.

3 to 6 week timeframe – Get ready for some share price deals of epic proportions.

You can turn the economy off with a flip of a switch but to turn it back on in the middle of a health crisis is impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMre6IAAAiU

#6 JB on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm

Its a pandemic. So deal with it. We will get past the bad stuff. Doctors are pissed at how stupid we are though.
In a year we will be saying do you remember that $hit we had to deal with, glad I stayed invested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/what-are-we-doing-doctors-are-fed-conspiracies-ravaging-ers-n1201446?utm_source=pocket-newtab

#7 CJ on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm

It’s irresponsible and ignorant to not wear a mask when you’re out grocery shopping or in crowds.

#8 acb on 05.08.20 at 2:13 pm

I feel like the low percentages on question 10 are from people interpreting the question as if it was “are you going to”, as opposed to “would you”

Inversely the negatives are huge. – Garth

#9 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:16 pm

DOG how I love that term “New World Order”As if Putin, Xi, Jung Un, Trump, Boris, Angela or any of the worlds “leaders” would give up their power.
It is such a bogyman term as to be ridiculous in it’s own right.
It is just to scare the gullible into bad voting decisions.
Anyone who believes in it has the brain of a “doorknob”.

#10 Westcdn on 05.08.20 at 2:21 pm

Your poll results indicate to me that Canada is divided into two camps – trust government or get off my back.

Two nameless jackasses have me fuming about comments made against Alberta. They are not groundless beliefs but these nimrods are way over the top. I wish they could find another way to justify their existence such as a manual job in private industry.

I say Governments should agree to build a spur pipeline under the Point Roberts coal rail line to feed oil tankers. If that causes the coal extraction industry in BC to die, so be it. Sending a small tanker of bitumen oil from Vancouver to Nova Scotia sounds like an experiment to see if it cheaper than receiving by rail. IMO, the two nimrods are worthy of dying off.

#11 calgary rip off on 05.08.20 at 2:21 pm

Another excellent article on this NOT pathetic blog. Always entertaining and always informative. Thank you!

I hope all those people out there remain well, happy, and CCP virus free.

Richard Z. Cheng MD PhD has successfully helped many patients with CCP virus. I highly recommend his advice which has saved lives. Vitamin C and D3 are not cures however there is no vaccine yet.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCASvIerKRpknoJYTSHsitJQ

#12 unbalanced on 05.08.20 at 2:21 pm

Turner nation——-You the man. U know it.

#13 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 2:22 pm

Statscan Garth? Can those guys be trusted. They revise GDP for 3 months after its reported, same as the jobs numbers.

Anyway, someone said people qualifying for wage subsidies are not counted as unemployed even though they are not working. Arent shuttered business owners effectively unemployed too?

Sounds like a whole lot of manipulation to me.

#14 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 2:24 pm

DON’T GET IN YOUR CAR AND HEAD NORTH TODAY!

(That means YOU, too, Druggie!)

#15 Nick on 05.08.20 at 2:26 pm

Oh, I missed the opportunity to buy TSX in last month.

Now, is it overpriced again?

#16 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 2:30 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

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So you will be first to line up for Bill Gates annual cocktail?

Vaccines are fine for one off childhood diseases but they do not work for rapidly mutating diseases like coronavirus or haven’t you noticed that there are still 650k flu deaths every year. We are still vaccinating for H1N1 even though it burned itself out in the population 10 yrs ago. And we don’t have anything ready for its mutated version coming this season.

Antivirals are the only solution. A vaccine is a waste of time and money.

#17 YouKnowWho on 05.08.20 at 2:31 pm

Humans not able to touch Humans? It is the reality of today.

In our continued series about lack of human touch, the Divinyls give us the answer on what to do this upcoming weekend, with the #1 hit “I touch myself”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM

#18 Blair on 05.08.20 at 2:32 pm

It is interesting that so many people in the poll want the economy to “open up”, but are unwilling to participate in the usual activities of normal life.

#19 Oakville Sucks on 05.08.20 at 2:36 pm

The EI number is lower for two reasons giving this 13% illusion…

A) Stats were taken in the 3rd week of April meaning there is a lag factor.

B) Lots of people aren’t searching for a job meaning skewing numbers again

#20 Linda on 05.08.20 at 2:37 pm

There may be an outsized decline in housing prices in the second quarter but that may not translate to a huge number of housing bargains to be had. If those who deferred mortgage payments regain employment prior to September, they may be able to limp through & not be forced to sell at a loss. However, net worth will likely take a beating, particularly if the mortgage ends up exceeding the amount the property would sell for in a depressed market.

#21 Trojan House on 05.08.20 at 2:38 pm

#7 CJ on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm

Then go back and hide under a rock if you’re too afraid to go out.

#22 Pete from St. Cesaire on 05.08.20 at 2:40 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm
Any and all anti-vaxers should, in a new pandemic, be set aside in a box of their own and exposed to their hearts content to the agent.
The rest of us will be thus safe.
The survivors (if any) can be released into society when the pandemic is over.
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People like you are ruled by fear not by logic and common sense. You wouldn’t release ‘the survivors’ back into society, you would come up with some other illogical reason as to why they must first be required to take a vaccine.

As for me: my body, my choice. No vaccine, ever, will I consent to.

#23 Rolldaddy of Surrey on 05.08.20 at 2:41 pm

So, 14, Cottagers monitor in chief. Do you actually believe that people will listen to the advice of some Myopic DIMESTORE MUSSILINI?? These people pay taxes to support your schools, roads and hospitals, as well as support local business. In fact, they are also unwillingly feeding your personal welfare existence. GET A JOB!!

#24 Carm on 05.08.20 at 2:41 pm

hey if you have your vaccine, aren’t you protected? What are you worried about if someone wants to choose?

#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

A message to all you solid conservative men who gleefully posted crap about May and Tam’s appearance yesterday.

Do you not remember the Conservatives poking fun at Chretien’s facial appearance…and losing the election.

Do you not remember the Conservatives poking fun at Trudeau’s hair…and losing the election.

Going to someones physical appearance has been proved to be of no use and besides it reeks of immature, frat boy bravado.

Real solid conservative men poking at two women who at the very least have stood up, using their real names, and done something for our country.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I no longer fight physically but if I walked up on you talking about my wife in such a manner I might be tempted…childish, immature and out of line.

Just another reason in a long list as to why the CPC will not form a Federal government anytime soon.

#26 Mehdi on 05.08.20 at 2:45 pm

Hey Garth;

Maybe I’m missing something but I never see the link to participate to these surveys in your blog. How can we participate?

Miss a day. Regret it forever. – Garth

#27 Steven Rowlandson on 05.08.20 at 2:54 pm

Work and trade is a big part of the solution as is putting government, its excessive spending and its borrowing in the closet.

#28 Kevin on 05.08.20 at 2:55 pm

Results on Question 12 re: a vaccine. WTF?

32% maybe and 11% no? What the hell is wrong with people to think this should be optional? Same thing for rubella, measles, mumps, DTaP, etc? I get freedom of choice and liberty, but public safety is critical too. I think we’re way too lax on forcing vaccinations, and forgetful of how much progress we’ve made against these deadly diseases. No vaccination, no public services is my take on it.

I’m disappointed in your readers, Garth.

#29 Sonny on 05.08.20 at 2:55 pm

Just great!

Government extends CERB to international students and foreign workers

https://thinkpol.ca/2020/05/08/government-extends-cerb-international-students-foreign-workers/

#30 espressobob on 05.08.20 at 2:55 pm

Given a choice I wish it was possible to go to the local medical clinic and be injected with covid. Would hole up for two weeks and re enter the world not being a transceiver.

That’s my vote.

#31 CEW9 on 05.08.20 at 2:56 pm

#3 Free Investment Advice – Worth Every Penny! on 05.08.20 at 2:09 pm

This investment advice is not professional advice and is offered free – though you can still buy me a virtual beer.

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Here ya go:

#32 MA on 05.08.20 at 2:56 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

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Being arrogant is easy — just pretend you are more intelligent and informed than everyone else, and slander any opinion other than your own as ignorant, dangerous and ridiculous.

Also, as a matter of fact, there are dozens of medical journals, articles and peer-reviewed studies that not only question the efficacy of vaccines but show the potential for severe neurological damage ie. additives.

Furthermore, they are talking about this new Covid-19 vaccine as being a largely untested RNA vaccine that will manipulate your genetic code to make you “immune”. Go ahead and mock people who are sceptical of the side effects of this, you are only exposing yourself as shallow minded.

Also, here is another little dog treat for you — yours truly, Bill Gates, wants immunity from prosecution for vaccine makers because they know there is a high potential for disaster when rushing through this vaccine to the public.

#33 Brian Ripley on 05.08.20 at 3:01 pm

Housing price moment in this early stage of Covid 19 is already at ‘Extreme Fear’ heading to ‘Get Me Out’ levels.

ie: 2007 Redux when 18 months later the TSX Real Estate Index was down 40% Y/Y. Chart here:
http://www.chpc.biz/housing-price-momentum.html

#34 Sheeple on 05.08.20 at 3:01 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm
Any and all anti-vaxers should, in a new pandemic, be set aside in a box of their own and exposed to their hearts content to the agent.
The rest of us will be thus safe.
The survivors (if any) can be released into society when the pandemic is over.

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You must believe in unicorns and leprechauns too. What faith you have in the medical system that hasn’t developed an effective vaccine for anything in several decades. Bill Gates just loves suckers errr I mean patients like you.

Sheep.

#35 Oakville Sucks on 05.08.20 at 3:05 pm

#5 KNOW IT ALL on 05.08.20 at 2:10 pm

Thanks for that informative link!

The map shows Countries with the most globalization are the ones most suffering from Covid 19!

It goes to show globalization is a failure in economic terms as well! Any economic gain from globalization has already been offset by this virus thingy.

#36 Ballingsford on 05.08.20 at 3:13 pm

Canada’s unemployed number this month is 2 million and the US has 20 million. That’s in-line since the US has 10 times the population as Canada. (To help the millenials with the math, 2 mil times 10 = 20 million)
But in relation to this, there was 7.6 million in Canada receiving handouts and 33 million in the states. So, using the ‘times 10’, there should be 76 million receiving handouts in the states, but only 33 million.
So, extrapolated, Canada is more than twice as bad shape as the US.
I guess the US citizens learned more from the 2008-2009 recession than the citizens of Canada did.

#37 Carm on 05.08.20 at 3:14 pm

I don’t see the point of the vaccine, the time it takes to develop a safe one, maybe years, wouldn’t everyone have developed natural herd immunity by then?? I think we should focus on creating a solid treatment if someone has a bad reaction to this virus.

#38 YVR Expat on 05.08.20 at 3:14 pm

Have you seen the new guidelines for Quebec’s schools? It’s as bad as being in prison: no socializing, monitored bathroom breaks, and recess consist of walking in pre-determined lines while socially distancing….I imagine this would be traumatizing to a 6 year old.

Good job Canada, you’ve turned into 1984…voluntarily.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/quebec-school-reopen-rules-coronavirus_ca_5eb4b411c5b66504cc83ddd5

#39 Scott on 05.08.20 at 3:17 pm

@ #1 Turner nation

Hey out of curiosity who do you think are the globalists and what is their end game? Is it just to hoard wealth and benefit from their underlings labor or are there intergalactic implications at play?

What’s the fix? No more international trade and immigration? Shut down the internet?

If you were made PM tomorrow what would be your top order of business?

#40 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm

#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

Re: Ridiculing appearance

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Yes, agreed. Never ridicule someone’s appearance. That is unworthy behaviour. There’s no justification for it.

Do it again and I’ll send Brunswick your way. Go ahead and call him Brunswick.

#41 Tactless Capital on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm

I doubt housing will go kaput. Deferral Deferral Deferral. Banks will make more on interest and Canadians will never give up on their home. Where would they move to when eviction bans are still in place? Recently, a decrepit house with flood damage just sold $100,000 above asking! Painful for me to say this, but it may really be different this time.

Nobody said real estate would be ‘kaput’. I don’t know why people take an extreme interpretation of things. In reality, it will be a less secure investment, and likely less liquid. Those are major considerations. – Garth

#42 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm

#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

haha, as soon as Trudeau posed for Vogue, he was fair game.

On Liz May, I only question her sanity, or grade 4 level education. Stupid policy should be attacked and if you are the messenger for it, don’t expect to be spared.

And you dont think the left have a few chosen opinions about Trump? You have the internet right. Go on twitter for an afternoon. Lots of lovely comments about trump there.

#43 FreeBird on 05.08.20 at 3:24 pm

How convenient right to informed consent is being reviewed this month. First time in almost 20 yrs?

https://www.cpso.on.ca/Physicians/Policies-Guidance/Policies/Consent-to-Treatment

Law outline:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/96h02

One more freedom/liberty up for grabs?

#44 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:24 pm

My dad is 79 and my mom 74 and they both said hell no to a vaccine.

And now after being locked down and on the internet more often, they know about Bill gates too.

#45 Info Seeker on 05.08.20 at 3:26 pm

I think the questions being answered has a really specific interpretation. For example:

Do you wear a mask when in public?

“Maskless cowboys”? Not really. There are people who would definitely like to (as opposed to not wear one) but don’t. They cannot find any available. I know that there are also people who would like to buy them, but can’t afford to at the outrageous $20 a piece. Everywhere in my city masks are sold out, except for one pharmacy that currently only sells them at $20 / piece. People have been using a scarf as a substitute, not as effective because it won’t always stay in place, and it defeats the purpose of using one if you constantly have to keep adjusting it.

Also, the question: Would you take virus vaccine, when available? The option “Maybe. My body, my choice.” vs. “Yes. It’s socially responsible.” Maybe there aren’t a lot of “anti-vaxxers”.

Perhaps a timeframe should have been indicated. It seems like all these vaccines are being rushed. It’s worrying to a lot of people who do regularly get flu shots, that there be undesirable side affects with something like a COVID-19 vaccine being rushed. Would I get a vaccine produced within 2 months as opposed to the typical 6? No. Would I get a vaccine produced in 8 months? Yes, I would definitely consider it, based on how many other people have received it before me, and minimal side effects. Would I get one, one year after it has been produced/tested, and deemed safe? Absolutely!

#46 will on 05.08.20 at 3:30 pm

Definitions of pathetic:

-arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.

-miserably inadequate; of very low standard

-having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity

#47 Cottagers COME ON BACK! on 05.08.20 at 3:37 pm

On behalf of The Cottagers Association of Canada, I am formally inviting all cottagers back this weekend!

Please come back; you pay taxes all year long, support our community and enhance our community services through your tax dollars! You help our local businesses, enhance municipal services and even contribute to our health care system, health care personnel employment and hospitals through your taxes!

We enjoy the yearly benefit of your tax dollars and you are only here during a few months a year.

Please, welcome back, you have paid, it’s your home – full time residents benefit from your tax dollars and have absolutely NO RIGHT to order you to stay away! So please disregard the selfish posters suggesting otherwise.

Trudeau has a cottage and is using it without hesitation, Doug is too. . .so please, look to our leaders who are setting an example for you to follow.

Thanks and look forward to seeing you all this weekend! Hopefully the weather will co-operate :-)

On behalf of cottage country, WELCOME BACK!

#48 majik on 05.08.20 at 3:40 pm

Distilling all of the stats down it seems that about 45% don’t trust the government.

#49 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 3:41 pm

Yup, I’m with you and StatCan, the Unemployment Rate is probably closer to 18% than 13%.

Simple Calc:

Apr Unemployed = 2,418,300
Mar to Apr Labour Force Size Drop = 1,122,250 (where did they go?)

Total = ‭3.5408‬ million
Apr Labour Force Size = 18,603,200

Unemployment Rate = 19%.

The Second Highest since the Great Depression.

It will take a long country mile to get all those people back to work:

1982: 13% took 8 years to get to 7.5% by 1990.
1993: 12% took 8 years to get to 7% by 2001.

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And Job Positions shrank by 3 million February to April.

Employment (‘000’s):
February 19,189.4
March 18,178.7
April 16,184.9

‭3,004,5‬00 job positions lost…hope they come back.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv.action?pid=1410028701

PS: Seasonally Adjusted and Unadjusted numbers about the same. GOOD ON YOU StatCan, adapting in extraordinary times.

#50 Last Gasp on 05.08.20 at 3:44 pm

It is all about liquidity. There is none.

The government has a big air compressor and it keeps inflating a worn, frequently over patched inner tube called the economy. You can keep blowing it up forever, as long as the rubber walls are elastic , fresh, and not got millions miles on it. No this economic tire is a geriatric, spent, and very febrile tube.

T2 regards it as a Ferrari tire ready to get back in the race after being waysided in the pit attended yo by team Morneau and BOC air hose.

Ain’t gonna happen. This corrupted economic rig is terminal and won’t even limp back out of the starter gate. Economies are driven half by rational behaviors and half by unaware psychological behaviors.

The worker, consumer and taxpayer has been covidated and scared to death and like Puxatawny Phill he will be AWOL when he is most needed.

Few are going to come out of the bunker to face the sunshine. All I see is T2’s incompetent shadow and likewise I am going back to hide my with my shekels and stale bread in the basement sharing face time with another basement dweller ..
Joe Biden.

Gotta love our leadership.

#51 JB on 05.08.20 at 3:46 pm

#22 Pete from St. Cesaire on 05.08.20 at 2:40 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm
Any and all anti-vaxers should, in a new pandemic, be set aside in a box of their own and exposed to their hearts content to the agent.
The rest of us will be thus safe.
The survivors (if any) can be released into society when the pandemic is over.
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People like you are ruled by fear not by logic and common sense. You wouldn’t release ‘the survivors’ back into society, you would come up with some other illogical reason as to why they must first be required to take a vaccine.

As for me: my body, my choice. No vaccine, ever, will I consent to.
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Excellent news! You will be relegated to a chapter of failed humans in the future along mammoths and neanderthals. Go for it don’t take a vaccine.

#52 other guy in Vancouver on 05.08.20 at 3:47 pm

#18 Blair on 05.08.20 at 2:32 pm
It is interesting that so many people in the poll want the economy to “open up”, but are unwilling to participate in the usual activities of normal life.

I said I wasn’t going to go to a hockey etc game because I’m /never/ going to be interested in going to a pro sports game. Nothing to do with C19. Classic problem composing surveys: possible answers don’t fit all circumstances; truthful answers misinterpreted.

#53 Toronto on 05.08.20 at 3:48 pm

Isn’t saying “They overreacted. Few have died.” a bit flawed? Part of the reason things are so much better here than in other places is because we acted the way we did?

#54 Robert B on 05.08.20 at 3:49 pm

Hey Garth

How about a simple poll on whether you would take
a vaccine?
Be nice to see where 6000 readers stand.
I’m pretty sure the results will scare you.

Just had it. – Garth

#55 Idealistic Realist on 05.08.20 at 3:50 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

I take offence to being labeled an antivaxxer.I’ve had nearly every vaccine possible due to my passion for international travel.

Why would I, a healthy under 70 year old, subject myself to a vaccine for a mutating virus that is being created by a… well I’ll stop there.

As a sane, literate and caring member of society, I will quarantine myself prior to visiting anyone who is immunocompromised and /or over 70.

You don’t have to worry about many of us ‘antivaxxers’ coming near any maskies. People like you terrify me more than the virus itself.

#56 JB on 05.08.20 at 3:54 pm

#42 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm

#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

haha, as soon as Trudeau posed for Vogue, he was fair game.

On Liz May, I only question her sanity, or grade 4 level education. Stupid policy should be attacked and if you are the messenger for it, don’t expect to be spared.

And you dont think the left have a few chosen opinions about Trump? You have the internet right. Go on twitter for an afternoon. Lots of lovely comments about trump there.
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Elizabeth May is a Bernie Sanders in disguise. A Lawyer, advocate and policy advisor. So she has never really ever worked a day in her life. People like her dream of a utopian society where everyone lives on white clouds and eats granola. She is a uninformed twit.

#57 FreeBird on 05.08.20 at 3:56 pm

#44 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:24 pm
My dad is 79 and my mom 74 and they both said hell no to a vaccine.

And now after being locked down and on the internet more often, they know about Bill gates too.
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Agreed and good for them. I’m high risk from existing health issues and spouse from age and we both say back off…we want control over what goes into our body and when. We’re funny that way. We’re also at high risk for health issues with far higher death/ICU rates w/most drugs being just as in/effective/safe for those. Convenient timing for Ont Medical assoc to review the right to informed consent. Funny I don’t recall seeing the public announcement on it from Mr Ford or JT…wonder what price is being put on yet another freedom (over what we put in our body) and proposed justification for it? Will change an entire law for profit?

#58 William of the North on 05.08.20 at 3:56 pm

#2 Roial1

Either a vaccine provides you with immunity or it doesn’t. If you take a vaccine, you should be able to bask in your intelligent decision of how enlightened you are; and how the pitiful anti-vaxers will certainly meet their doom. No need to round anyone up. No need to make it mandatory.

Right? Vaccines=personal protection. Right?

Your immune. So why would you care or be afraid of what the person next to you has done?

#59 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 3:56 pm

Why reopening the Cdn economy will FAIL (well, if Garth’s brave 6511 followers minus 1 have their way):

-Wear a mask in public? 70% NO.
-Take the vaccine? 57% YES (you need 75% for herd immunity, minimum; otherwise, no point in taking the vaccine).

Watch the number of Blog Comments diminish over the next few months to a year.

Natural Selection. LOVE it.

I get to watch/read safely from afar. LOVE that even better.

#60 MF on 05.08.20 at 3:57 pm

#44 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:24 pm

Serious question: what is wrong with Bill Gates?

Successful entrepreneur. Wealthy. Huge philanthropist. Isn’t that someone who we should aspire to be like?

And if your parents are that age, ask them how life would have been if a polio vaccine was never developed.

MF

#61 Blog Bunny on 05.08.20 at 4:00 pm

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#62 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 4:01 pm

Here come the financial takedown Part II.
Who will these costs be passed along to? Us. Price inflation.
Insurance companies will likely stop covering some risks. I’ve been predicting that per UN plan we are to be removed from the rural areas and land and herded into cities.
– Could rural municipalities go BK or cut back first-responder or road maintaining services? Doubt insurance companies would like that.
– The other globalist theme playing out is cutting back our travel rights or pricing us out. No Greyhound. VIA trains are cancelled.
The ultimate silent weapon? Distancing. Add Carbon tax and only the rich may be able to afford airlines.
Airports are in dire straits. Expect ‘airport improvement fees’ to skyrocket.
– Nursing homes? What of the extra insurance cost. With home prices dropping will the (oftentimes) warring kids be willing to agree and pony up cash, or let the oldsters wither away alone?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-lawsuits-insurance-nursing-homes-1.5559520

In the U.S.:
Nursing homes, where the virus has been most deadly, are expected to be hit by an onslaught of litigation.
Companies including Amazon and Costco are facing lawsuits, accused of price gouging.
Insurance companies are being taken to court for denying claims.
Airlines are being sued for not refunding tickets.
Cruise lines are being sued for negligence in their response to the COVID-19 outbreak.
Schools are facing lawsuits from students who are demanding partial refunds on tuition and campus fees, arguing they’re not getting the calibre of education they were promis

#63 FreeBird on 05.08.20 at 4:03 pm

pity

#47 Cottagers COME ON BACK! on 05.08.20 at 3:37 pm
On behalf of The Cottagers Association of Canada, I am formally inviting all cottagers back this weekend!

Please come back; you pay taxes all year long, support our community and enhance our community services through your tax dollars! You help our local businesses, enhance municipal services and even contribute to our health care system, health care personnel employment and hospitals through your taxes!

We enjoy the yearly benefit of your tax dollars and you are only here during a few months a year.

Please, welcome back, you have paid, it’s your home – full time residents benefit from your tax dollars and have absolutely NO RIGHT to order you to stay away! So please disregard the selfish posters suggesting otherwise.

Trudeau has a cottage and is using it without hesitation, Doug is too. . .so please, look to our leaders who are setting an example for you to follow.

Thanks and look forward to seeing you all this weekend! Hopefully the weather will co-operate :-)

On behalf of cottage country, WELCOME BACK!
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Agreed. We’re about 1.5 north of Toronto and agree. Seems further north you go most are just going about their lives. Bakeries and other sml biz can’t open but LCBO is (no lineups outside and longer hrs?) and corner stores open. Yellow police tape around playground equipment but construction workers at site across the road (no masks, close together and inside plus out.) Waiting for someone to rip police tape down. Don’t ask don’t tell?

#64 Ed on 05.08.20 at 4:10 pm

They are hoping to keep this going long enough so that people will be financially beaten down enough to take whatever poison vaccine they hand out; just so they can get back to work at their slave jobs hoping they and their families don’t starve to death.
Vaccination against Corona can only be a voluntary decision of each individual. Imposition by force of vaccination against Corona should be prevented by force.
Time will tell, but Gates is already announcing some kind of “certificate” that would be proof that someone has been vaccinated, which would allow him to move or disable him if he does not have a “certificate”. on the chipping of humans like animals.With WHO it can be very quickly implemented in legislative frameworks.This should be resisted by all possible means.

#65 Marc Perreault on 05.08.20 at 4:11 pm

If we ad in the 7.5 million who are on CERB, is the true unemployment number actually closer to 50%?

#66 FreeBird on 05.08.20 at 4:11 pm

too.

#45 Info Seeker on 05.08.20 at 3:26 pm
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I support everyone’s freedom of choice to control what to put into they’re own body and when. Nobody should be forced to put any drug in them unless under extreme emergency/life threatening conditions and they or an a an authorized emerg contact can’t speak for them. Even then many where medical alert bracelets etc to speak for them.

#67 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 4:13 pm

@#25 Ustabe funny
“You should be ashamed of yourselves.”
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Sigh.
In this boring pc world…..all the good jokes are verboten.
OK. I apologize to all tennis players

I will rephrase.

“Chew an apple through a picket fence…”

Happy?

P.S.
What did you expect from a person called “fartzy”?

#68 HEADING NORTH EARLY TODAY! on 05.08.20 at 4:14 pm

#14 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 2:24 pm
DON’T GET IN YOUR CAR AND HEAD NORTH TODAY!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey we’re heading up! Got the bikes, toys and kids ready to go! Grocery stores will be crazy busy here, so will load up when we get there. After all, it’s not a crime to shop for essential services. We decided to invite some friends since everyone is really excited to get out of town. Group of exactly 10. I think. Okay maybe 11 but who’s counting!

Also CSTHA, my wife baked you a lasagna and made you homemade Cesar Salad! This way you can stay in all weekend. We will drop at your door, ring the doorbell and knock, and tape a note to your front door.

HAVE A FUN FILLED WEEKEND, EVERYONE!!

#69 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 4:14 pm

STAY AWAY!

In my area we are collaborating and documenting all the southern hillbillies who show up instead of common sense and public health warnings, starting this weekend. Expect you may find a camera in your face.

Don’t expect any sympathy from the locals who have built our communities when things go badly for you.

Most of the people being treated and tested for Covid in our small hospitals are already bozos from Toronto who are ‘just visiting’. We DON’T have the capacity for you all if you get sick! And you’ll steal the ability for us to treat ourselves.

If you do not stay away, small communities have the legal emergency power to seize your property and sell it for 25% of the assessed value, then withhold the proceeds as a penalty for your EXTREME NUISANCE AND ENDANGERMENT.

If you don’t pay your taxes, YOUR PROPERTY CAN BE SEIZED.

So get over your urban self-absorption and arrogance, all you precious Toronto snowflakes!

Go back to the cottage in 2021.

NOT A DAY BEFORE!

#70 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 4:15 pm

PS:

Clarification by StatCan on my 1.1 million where did they go? and 19% calcs:

“The April unemployment rate would be 17.8%, when adjusted to reflect those who were not counted as unemployed for reasons specific to the COVID-19 economic shutdown. During the week of April 12, 1.1 million people were not in the labour force but had worked recently (in March or April) and wanted to work.”

It calculates to 19% but they have their own detailed classification method, so either way whether it is 17.8% or 19% it’s:

Enough to make you cry. All this because of some virus.

For once, mind boggling, are truly appropriate words.

#71 BrianT on 05.08.20 at 4:18 pm

#34Sheeple-what is funny is how Bill Gates the Microsoft grifter has somehow become a combination of Doogie Howzer and L Ron Hubbard to these sheep. Why would anyone not want Billy Gates to inject them with an experimental nanotechnology tracking vaccine-sounds perfectly safe to me.

#72 Jay on 05.08.20 at 4:18 pm

Alberta is supposedly opening starting May 14th, as cases are low relative to population and the hospitals are basically empty. meanwhile the City of Calgary is shutting down bus routes starting May 25, after spending all of April driving around empty. Not to mention the mayor is on the news constantly making sure everyone stays scared and dashes all hopes of return to normal as fast as he can.

Doesn’t sound like an opening up reaction to me. Seems the City has no intention of opening anything, ever. Unions are allowed to protest against opening in large groups but any protest against loss of civil liberties is promptly shut down under the excuse of social distance rules.

Whatever happened to flatten the curve to buy health care time. the curve can’t get much flatter and we are looking more and more like a police state. What is happening here?

#73 Do we have all the facts on 05.08.20 at 4:22 pm

Without a crystal ball how can anyone predict what might happen to the Canadian economy over the next several years.

Growth of our GDP had declined going into 2020 and our major trading partner was hinting at a more protective stance before their economy was crippled. Who knows what policies they might enact to stimulate their recovery in the future.

Without a full restoration of pre Covid travel by planes, trains, cruise ships and automobiles the demand for Canadian oil and revenue from this resource will definitely decline.

What will immigration look like for Canada in 2020 if the border remains closed to September or beyond. How will this impact on the overall economy?

Will the tourism, convention, sporting events, concert, etc sectors of our economy ever recover from the fear of large gatherings?

The possible consequences of Covid 19 are not only impossible to predict for Canada but trying to imagine what is going on around the world and how the global economy might look after the smoke clears boggles the mind.

All governments are deeply in debt and at some point the ability to print your way to restoration will end. This blog has cautioned that increasing our debt by over $300 billion in a few months will have long term consequences.
Time to listen.

I fear that the Good Ship Lollypop has sprung a serious leak and I am begging our Captain address our future with a more responsible focus.

The time for photo opportunities is over!!

#74 BrianT on 05.08.20 at 4:22 pm

#35Oakville-actually globalization has always been about privitazing the gains and socializing the losses-this is just the biggest example of globalization in action.

#75 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 4:26 pm

@#29 Sonny
“Government extends CERB to international students and foreign workers”
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Pffft.
Waddya worried about?
It’s only money.
The taxpayers will take care of it……

#76 Linda on 05.08.20 at 4:26 pm

#28 ‘Kevin’ – keep in mind that most North Americans alive today have no direct experience with infectious death, Covid et al notwithstanding. Back in the ‘good old days’ when infant mortality was rife due to common childhood diseases like measles, whooping cough, diphtheria, polio etc. it was a no-brainer to inoculate. I recall as a child our school classes lining up to receive various inoculations & booster shots.

Problem with all that resulting good health is that many people now believe vaccination isn’t necessary. Throw in the much vaunted study (since disproven) linking autism to inoculation, add in a bit of ‘freedom of expression’ & voila, the stage is set for the herd to be infected.

#77 AlMac on 05.08.20 at 4:26 pm

#68 Do we have all the facts on 05.07.20

The federal and provincial governments carefully vet the Covid data provided to the general public to support their objectives and manage behaviour and expectations. Unfortunately, they have needlessly instilled fear in many people who are unable to determine for themselves what the risks are.

In addition to the valuable but currently unavailable information that you highlighted, we need the data grouped by general population, long term health care facilities and Senior homes, meat packing plants, prisons, and extraordinary hot spots. I also agree with DVita that R0 values and trends are very informative (Ontario told us today it is less than one and trending down).

I suspect, intuitively, the risks to the general public of catching the bug, let alone dying from it, are extremely low and don’t support many of the public health measures being forced on businesses and activities. But that doesn’t cut it; we have a right to the data.

Well, as with some others on here, I am driving to the Okanagan to catch some rainbow. Hope I don’t die of Covid 19, but if I do, I want it reported to the public as either OU7.1 or OU7.2.

#78 jess on 05.08.20 at 4:29 pm

13 GRG on 05.07.20 at 7:09 pm
“Masses of people working from home? So fine for the interverts but what about all the extraverts ;)
yeah, agree yahoo and others tried that years ago….

#126 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:36 pm
what about the creative problem solvers that need white boards /paper and pencil floating ideas /design collaborating solutions?

8 Elizabeth May Can’t Do Math on 05.07.20 at 7:39 pm

Seattle to permanently shut down at least 20 miles of streets to most cars
By Becca Savransky, SeattlePI Updated 4:13 pm PDT, Thursday, May 7, 2020

A Seattle Parks & Recreation sign posted along Alki Beach on April 16, 2020. Photo: Kristina Moy

Photo: Kristina Moy
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A Seattle Parks & Recreation sign posted along Alki Beach on April 16, 2020.

Seattle will permanently close about 20 miles of streets throughout the city to most cars so people have more room to get outside to walk, bike and exercise.

The city has already shut down the roads as part of its “Stay Healthy” streets effort, to give people more space to socially distance while outside during the novel coronavirus outbreak, but Mayor Jenny Durkan announced Thursday it would become permanent.

“We’re going to be working with neighborhoods and communities on how we might even add to that both in the north end and particularly down in Rainier Valley so people have more ways to get outside safely, to walk and to bike,” Durkan said during a news conference Thursday.

perhaps the future dining tables will create separate themed ‘bubbles” that surround the table while a server wearing a themed mask brings your food order to your specialized encapsuled table.

#79 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 4:32 pm

#259 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 1:48 pm

#250 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:41 pm

Sail Away is the new Smoking Man.

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#255 MF on 05.08.20 at 1:11 pm

Sail Away is the new Stan also lol

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It is a very human tendency to place people in a box they understand, and in almost all cases when they do this, the box is one to which they themselves feel superior in some way.

Here’s some wisdom for you both: That box only applies to the person who created it in their mind. One should never, ever assume it is reality, and likewise, should never try to treat someone according to their own perception.

Haha… if you say so :D

Smoking Man is my favourite :) I hope he is well, wherever he is.

#80 TRUMP HAS COVID! (Coming Soon) on 05.08.20 at 4:32 pm

And now Pence is gettin’ it too!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/politics/vice-president-mike-pence-staff-member-coronavirus/index.html

Watch out for the next headlines. These guys don’t wear masks even in hospitals and now have people within inches everyday with the bug. They’re both in very high risk categories, and way older than Boris Johnson.

Both dead within two months?

I’ll bet it’s 50/50.

#81 Not a racist on 05.08.20 at 4:32 pm

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#82 Stylite on 05.08.20 at 4:33 pm

I just finished trade school. I applied at a place earlier this week and got a call back two days later to do an interview the same day. In a growing city, commerical projects must be fulfilled. I’m just putting it out there for the statistics tho…also wish my luck!

#83 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 4:34 pm

One last tidbit from the April LFS.

And to me this is VERY bad.

When you look at the Unemployment Rate by Age:

15-24 27.2%
25-54 11.0%
55-64 12.2%

the true story is not told.

Look at the NUMBER of unemployed by age group instead (‘000’s):

15-24 626.4
25-54 1,341.3
55-64 395.7

April unemployed was about 2.4 million. Staggering.

And a big chunk of those 25-54 year olds, where to they live?

In Canada’s economic heartland (‘000’s):

Quebec 395.7
Ontario 449.7
Alberta 180.0
BC 158.3

A tragedy in the making, well, it’s been made. All because of a virus. Mind boggling again.

#84 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 4:36 pm

#28 Kevin

You can take as much as you want. We can take as little as we want. As the feminists say: my body my choice.

#85 James on 05.08.20 at 4:40 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm
Any and all anti-vaxers should, in a new pandemic, be set aside in a box of their own and exposed to their hearts content to the agent.
The rest of us will be thus safe.
The survivors (if any) can be released into society when the pandemic is over.
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Let’s see….

You and a few others posting here are ranting that you want to REQUIRE all others to be vaccinated so that you are protected from Covid-19, right?

No exceptions.

So once vaccinated YOU will be “Safe” from infection, right?

But in spite of your stated desire to be vaccinated which will render you immune to infection you are crapping on people who for one reason or another do not wish to be vaccinated?

Either

1) You DO NOT believe that a vaccine will work to protect you from the virus, but none the less you demand that everyone must accept an apparently useless vaccination because…well…just because you said so.

or

2) You DO believe a vaccine will work to protect you from the virus, and therefore what others do or don’t do really doesn’t matter because you are protected and immune from infection by the non-vaccinated.

or

3) You just like to rant without thinking.

Which is it?

This will not turn into a vaxxer blog. Knock it off. – Garth

#86 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 4:46 pm

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#87 ImGonnaBeSick on 05.08.20 at 4:46 pm

#7 CJ on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm
It’s irresponsible and ignorant to not wear a mask when you’re out grocery shopping or in crowds

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Well than I guess it always has been… You’re an idiot.

#88 cramar on 05.08.20 at 4:47 pm

“The number of people seeking a government handout (7.6 million in Canada, 33 million in the States) has trailed off.”

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Population U.S. = 328.2 million
Population Canada = 37.59 million

According to my calculations:

That means U.S. population is 8.7x that of Canada.
Or Canada is 11.5% of U.S. population.

That means if the number of people on handouts in Canada were population matched we would have only 3.8 million looking for help. Exactly half!

Or reversed, it means the U.S. would have over 66 million (or twice current) to match the rate in Canada.

Conclusion:

As many people have said, Canada is so screwed! We expect government to bail us out of each and every situation.

#89 Piano_Man87 on 05.08.20 at 4:56 pm

I have a haircut booked for May 23, suckers!

#90 wallflower on 05.08.20 at 4:57 pm

UNEMPLOYMENT

#91 James on 05.08.20 at 4:57 pm

#71 BrianT on 05.08.20 at 4:18 pm

#34Sheeple-…. Why would anyone not want Billy Gates to inject them with an experimental nanotechnology tracking vaccine-sounds perfectly safe to me.
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Do you have a source (perhaps an online link) to this inject-able experimental nanotechnology tracking vaccine threat?

Please tell us exactly where you obtained this information.

#92 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 4:59 pm

#77 AlMac

“R0 values and trends are very informative (Ontario told us today it is less than one and trending down).”

THAT is SUPERB news, ‘atta go Ontario! Tell them to wait a couple of weeks until it is stable, what they did in Italia.

Per Leger, to calculate when it will be “gone, gone” that is 0 new cases do this, use a spreadsheet (sample numbers to test inputs, formulas etc. are calculating correctly):

39 No. of Generations (manually change this number to get 0 End Cases or Goal Seek changing cell)

0.7 R0 (whatever ON says the R0 is)

0.000000909544 Factor, = R0^No. of Generations

13,314 Start Cases (for ON, sum the last 4 days of ON new cases)

0.01 End Cases (= Factor x Start Cases, Goal Seek to 0 or manually change No. of Generations until this is close to 0)

4 Serial Interval, Days (Tau by the Epidemiologists, a constant)

156 No. of Days to 0 cases (= No. of Generations x 4, the Serial Interval)

May 8, 2020 Today’s Date (use Today function)

October 11, 2020 Finish Date (No. of Days to 0 cases + Today’s Date)

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And NO, compute it on your own Spreadsheet Geeks. I am not doing it for ON.

#93 wallflower on 05.08.20 at 5:00 pm

UNEMPLOYMENT
I am in the 50% unemployment camp based on a definition of employment being 30+ hours per week, routine, minimum wage or better guaranteed.

7M on the CERB dole
Population ~37,000,000
(Remember, 1M+ out of country)
Working age AND not retired I am guessing around ~18M
(probably less)

Part-time and gig is not ’employed’ – it is hobby
We are hooped

#94 Lost...but not leased on 05.08.20 at 5:01 pm

#38 YVR Expat on 05.08.20 at 3:14 pm
Have you seen the new guidelines for Quebec’s schools? It’s as bad as being in prison: no socializing, monitored bathroom breaks, and recess consist of walking in pre-determined lines while socially distancing….I imagine this would be traumatizing to a 6 year old.

Good job Canada, you’ve turned into 1984…voluntarily.

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Thanks for link…

UNreal…caught another article yesterday on this same topic.

As a parent of 3…..youngest just turned 25…this is F’n CHILD ABUSE. They need the fresh air…socialize…exercise aka freedom most of us took for granted. Instead they are grooming paranoid robotic worker ants.

Intriguing how Quebec seems to be positioning itself… ( if not being positioned mais oui ) to be the “test” case for rollouts of various Big Brother programs. What Quebec does…the rest of Canada follows ?

Quebec has already rolled back the start of school one week. Why bother having school for one month….unless they plan on extending the school year into summer ?

Parents: Key an eye on this one…

#95 Cto on 05.08.20 at 5:02 pm

Well that’s it, Garth…
This virus was just a big nothing burger for housing.
Up she goes in a year or two.

The good old Bank of Canada managed to put a nice little Floor in
They’re precious housing market by by forcing banks deferring mortgage payments ……indefinitely…

#96 James on 05.08.20 at 5:03 pm

This will not turn into a vaxxer blog. Knock it off. – Garth

Apologies Mr. Turner.

My post was not intended to promote or discourage vaccinations. Same with my subsequent post, which I submitted before reading your reply.

My post was only intended to suggest that people apply a little logic in their lives.

#97 TimmyEatsWorld on 05.08.20 at 5:06 pm

I’m not anti vaccine. My kids all had their shots in the prescribed timeframe.

There’s zero chance I’m giving them a vaccine thats been rushed to market when they have almost zero risk of dying themselves.

vaccines thoroughly researched and tested = good
Vaccines rushed to market and forced on the general public to save people with dementia in nursing homes = bad

#98 Don Guillermo on 05.08.20 at 5:07 pm

#82 Stylite on 05.08.20 at 4:33 pm
I just finished trade school. I applied at a place earlier this week and got a call back two days later to do an interview the same day. In a growing city, commerical projects must be fulfilled. I’m just putting it out there for the statistics tho…also wish my luck!

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Well done Stylite! Good news post. Best of luck!

#99 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.08.20 at 5:08 pm

#40 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm
#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

Re: Ridiculing appearance

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Yes, agreed. Never ridicule someone’s appearance. That is unworthy behaviour. There’s no justification for it.

Do it again and I’ll send Brunswick your way. Go ahead and call him Brunswick.
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When I was in the army in Austria, we had a guy like Brunwick, too.
We called him Braunschweig, after a sausage.
Small world, it is not?

#100 Cto on 05.08.20 at 5:10 pm

The Canadian government should start a new investment vehicle.
The new federal government “deferred mortgage.”!
Forget 40-year Amortizations
This new policy allows mortgage takers to defer indefinitely!
They can defer as long as it suits them and cmhc and bank of Canada and the federal government will do the rest!!!!

#101 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.08.20 at 5:10 pm

#4 MF on 05.08.20 at 2:10 pm
Thankfully the survey proves most blog dogs are sensible, flexible, and not easily swayed by radical views of any sort.

MF
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You forgot the sarcasm emoji.

#102 Presidente Pelosi on 05.08.20 at 5:13 pm

#80 TRUMP HAS COVID! (Coming Soon) on 05.08.20 at 4:32 pm
And now Pence is gettin’ it too!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/politics/vice-president-mike-pence-staff-member-coronavirus/index.html

Watch out for the next headlines. These guys don’t wear masks even in hospitals and now have people within inches everyday with the bug. They’re both in very high risk categories, and way older than Boris Johnson.

Both dead within two months?

I’ll bet it’s 50/50.

Now that would kill the market…

#103 ImGonnaBeSick on 05.08.20 at 5:14 pm

#16 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 2:30 pm
#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

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So you will be first to line up for Bill Gates annual cocktail?

Vaccines are fine for one off childhood diseases but they do not work for rapidly mutating diseases like coronavirus or haven’t you noticed that there are still 650k flu deaths every year. We are still vaccinating for H1N1 even though it burned itself out in the population 10 yrs ago. And we don’t have anything ready for its mutated version coming this season.

Antivirals are the only solution. A vaccine is a waste of time and money

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Not sure antivirals are the best solution either ol’ boy… They usually need to be taken during incubation period, which is usually before anyone is symptomatic… I don’t want to be on a permanent antiviral cocktail either… I think people just have to realize that 96% are going to be fine, and we need to look after the 4% with vigilance.

Besides.. the VID’s been in Canada a lot longer than January (obviously). https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1734173251825

#104 Handsome Ned on 05.08.20 at 5:17 pm

#60 MF I remember polio shots in elementary school, hurt like hell, students fainted. We had an old army nurse who was not at all sympathetic to pain. I was terrified at the prospect of living in an iron lung due to polio. It would suck in gym class dodge ball.

#105 Wuhan we got y'all in check on 05.08.20 at 5:25 pm

my brother in law is a radiologist and the main trauma hospital in Montreal (Covid capital of Canada – go us!).

He has noticed a huge drop off in the number of cases he sees – people are very much avoiding going to the hospital which is why many appear to be empty not to mention that most elective procedures have been cancelled.

Some things make sense – people are not driving as much so less car accidents. Others make no sense – where are all the cancer cases / internal medicine?

Well in the past few days he is starting to see some alarming scans of very large tumors and other issues which have gone untreated for too long – people who could have had a chance at survival are now beyond saving.

Garth is correct to say that politicians and the media have scared the hell out of people.

Back in March when this thing started to go down he called me asking what he should do with his investment portfolio – a lot of his peers were selling everything. I advised him to ride it out.

He advises me to go to the hospital if I have to and you all should too.

Stay healthy blog dogs!

#106 Deplorable Dude on 05.08.20 at 5:26 pm

Great Twitter thread from an Dr, who specalises in infectious disease/virology

Conclusions from all worldwide contact tracing done to date…

In a nutshell…..keeping us inside is highest risk (NYC confirmed this recently). And kids are very low risk, and don’t appear to be able to infect others very easily.

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1257392347010215947?s=21

“In summary:

While the infectious inoculum required for infection is unknown, these studies indicate that close & prolonged contact is required for #COVID19 transmission. The risk is highest in enclosed environments; household, long-term care facilities and public transport.

High infection rates seen in household, friend & family gatherings, transport suggest that closed contacts in congregation is likely the key driver of productive transmission. Casual, short interactions are not the main driver of the epidemic though keep social distancing!

Increased rates of infection seen in enclosed & connected environments is in keeping with high infection rates seen in megacities, deprived areas, shelters. A recent preprint demonstrates that #COVID19 epidemic intensity is strongly shaped by crowding

Although limited, these studies so far indicate that susceptibility to infection increases with age (highest >60y) and growing evidence suggests children are less susceptible, are infrequently responsible for household transmission, are not the main drivers of this epidemic.

#107 Lost...but not leased on 05.08.20 at 5:28 pm

I don’t think anyone on this blog is anti- vaccine in kneejerk fashion…per se

There simply is a group that are waiting for irrefutable undeniable proof that they work.

Instead of over-riding Mother Nature…which has effectively kept the vast majority of us healthy and alive for several thousand years…please provide the rest of us proof that we should
allow our bodies to be invaded by some foreign UNnatural cocktail of ingredients that Gov’ts do not actively regulate.

Is that too much to ask ???

#108 CJohnC on 05.08.20 at 5:34 pm

#59 Dolce Vita.

“Watch the number of Blog Comments diminish over the next few months to a year.

Natural Selection. LOVE it.”
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That’s dark……and funny

#109 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 5:35 pm

#99 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.08.20 at 5:08 pm
#40 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 3:19 pm
#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm
Re: Ridiculing appearance

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Yes, agreed. Never ridicule someone’s appearance. That is unworthy behaviour. There’s no justification for it.
Do it again and I’ll send Brunswick your way. Go ahead and call him Brunswick.

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When I was in the army in Austria, we had a guy like Brunwick, too.
We called him Braunschweig, after a sausage.
Small world, it is not?

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Haha… no need to elaborate…

#110 WTF on 05.08.20 at 5:37 pm

Ha,

I have a visual of a shuffling crowd of apoplectic desiccated old geezers and their scowling crone wives snapping pics of cottagers giving them the finger as they blow by their idiotic illegal blockades.

Dispirited at the failed tactic of coercion but undaunted. The committee of Angry Karens and Boomer dudes convene to re-strategize around the campfire. Bitterness quickly engulfs the self anointed guardians of cottage country.

Argument ensues, grandpa(already wobbly) trips over Sadie from next door, cracks a rib. Prudence gets overwrought trying to talk down Edgar who is now in full geezer meltdown. she has a minor heart incident.

Trip to the local emergency stat. Damn full time residents.

Cottagers oblivious, isolating.

#111 AJ on 05.08.20 at 5:38 pm

to #1
CERB is NOT $2000 per month (no matter that everybody says this), it is actually $500 per week or $2165 per month’s

#112 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 5:41 pm

Re: Nanotechnology

For the tinfoil hatters, this might really spook you:

There is absolutely no need to inject any nano bots. Human skin is no barrier to nanotech. All that needs be done is delivery to your general vicinity and the search and find nanobots will do the rest

Think aerosol spray or similar; maybe a puff of air on your leg as you walk into your local mind control office. Then you are forever controlled.

A full-body tinfoil suit as a pre-emptive measure is definitely not overreacting.

#113 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 5:43 pm

#77 AlMac

I got all excited for ON and made the “gone, gone” calculation.

I assumed an R0 of 0.9 and used the last 4 days of cases in ON = 1658.

Drum Roll, when ON should have 0 new cases of that infernal virus (“gone, gone”):

July 26, 2021

ON if you can beat the virus down to an R0 of 0.19 (like the Region of Umbria in Italia) then “gone, gone” becomes:

June 9, 2020

Either way ON and Toronto, you’ll be good to go for the Gay Pride Parade (ya I know Garth, but I couldn’t resist).

#114 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 5:49 pm

#77 AlMac

…ooops, that was at an R0 of 0.9:

July 26, 2020

NOT July 26, 2021 (my bad)

See Ontario, you’ll be out of it sooner than you think.

Something very GOOD to look forward to Ontario, indeed.

(provided you Social Distance – if asymptomatic less likely you will not infect someone else, wear Masks in public where there are lots of people, I’d wear gloves when shopping…you do not know if others infected picked that item up in their hands, recall many are asymptomatic and do not know they are infected).

#115 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 5:50 pm

#60 MF on 05.08.20 at 3:57 pm
#44 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 3:24 pm
Serious question: what is wrong with Bill Gates?
Successful entrepreneur. Wealthy. Huge philanthropist. Isn’t that someone who we should aspire to be like?

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Sure except for the god complex. And he is not a doctor like people are fond of pointy out about Trump.

Polio and coronavirus are different beast. Polio is a childhood affliction that is eradicated by a single vaccination. It does not mutate or return every year with a scarier name. One and done, just like all childhood vaccines. A slight retraining of your adaptive immune system and lifelong protection.

But corona is not like that. Those classes of disease mutate in mere months. That means your immune system will need constant training. Forcing it to continuously prepare for a new set of invaders every year invites the risk if an autoimmune disorder.

If it takes 10 yrs to develop a drug, it should take at least that long to develop a vaccine but there is a nice little work around in that area for big pharma courtesy of money lobbying including scrubbing of liability.

Be wary.

#116 bullwinkle on 05.08.20 at 5:55 pm

#45 Info Seeker;

People do not need really need a ‘medical’ mask and there are not enough to go around anyway. Your mask is there to protect others from your exhaling.

So just buy a cotton mask with elastic ties.

If you live in the GTA, go on Kajiji. There are many people, who over the last few weeks, make and sell cotton masks. Prices range from 3$ and up. I bought 2 for 5 dollars each. Very colourful ones as well. Kid’s sizes available.

#117 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 6:00 pm

#62 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 4:01 pm

Schools are facing lawsuits from students who are demanding partial refunds on tuition and campus fees, arguing they’re not getting the calibre of education they were promised.
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Good point. Education funding comes mostly off property taxes. The school yr has been abbreviated by almost 30%. Isnt a refund in order?

#118 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.08.20 at 6:02 pm

#24 Carm on 05.08.20 at 2:41 pm
hey if you have your vaccine, aren’t you protected? What are you worried about if someone wants to choose?

-AND-

#28 Kevin on 05.08.20 at 2:55 pm
Results on Question 12 re: a vaccine. WTF?

32% maybe and 11% no? What the hell is wrong with people to think this should be optional? Same thing for rubella, measles, mumps, DTaP, etc? I get freedom of choice and liberty, but public safety is critical too. I think we’re way too lax on forcing vaccinations, and forgetful of how much progress we’ve made against these deadly diseases. No vaccination, no public services is my take on it.

I’m disappointed in your readers, Garth.
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#24 Carm perfectly points out the faulty “logic” of the Virtue Signalling Cabal as illustrated flawlessly by #28 Kevin.

#119 Cottage Realtor - We Need Visitors on 05.08.20 at 6:04 pm

On behalf of The Cottage Real Estate Agents of Canada, we would like to officially notify you that:

Cottage Country IS NOW OPEN!

Even Doug Ford said, people were NOT mandated to stay away, heck he even came up to check his plumbing! So please visitors, cottage goers . .come back up here and tour homes that are for sale and rent!

Order take out. . .drive thru Tim’s. Our Cottage industry depends on Visitors and tax paying cottagers!

Bring the bike, bring the kids, heck bring the cat. . .just come! Tell your friends to come visit and explore cottages for sale and our beautiful cottage country.

There are some real great deals on cottages at the present time! We also need buyers at this time of year for properties listed!

Please don’t listen to one old cranky man posting for you to stay away. . . If he’s that afraid, HE CAN SELF ISOLATE.

COTTAGE COUNTRY 2020 – See you there!

#120 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 6:04 pm

#39 Scott. This enough info for you? Google made it easy.
Look at the dates on these posts I made. Well before the shutdown.
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#6 TurnerNation on 12.02.19 at 3:28 pm
As yourself what is the “economic justice” they speak of, what does this mean to your homes and capital gains. It is moving SO fast now into 2020-2021. Don’t listen to me just watch

#9 TurnerNation on 12.30.19 at 4:56 pm
2020-2021 we will face food shortages and rationing. Due to the government/UN’s actions. Remember from history that famines are always man-made

#6 TurnerNation on 01.12.20 at 2:20 pm
Things will speed up SO fast in 2020-2021 to roll out the plans. Nobody will come to your door and take away your property no. They’ll just take 5-10% of its value away in Tax each year, and empty home tax, land transfer tax, capital gains on sales taxes (stay tuned!), carbon taxes. In a down market this would prove fatal.

#33 TurnerNation on 01.26.20 at 5:54 pm
I’ve been pounding the table, that the 2020-2021 things will be moving SO fast. (I mean it’s not like there a global plan or something…I don’t leave even my breakfast to chance).

#11 TurnerNation on 02.25.20 at 5:08 pm
Been warning you guys, 2020-21 will be totally man made crises as we come fully under UN control.
There is a plan, a timeline and a masterful execution.

#38 TurnerNation on 03.08.20 at 5:14 pm
2020-21 utter chaos is planned.have I said to much…

#65 TurnerNation on 03.10.20 at 6:24 pm
Suspension of travel rights. Forced containment. Devestation of industry.
2020-21 I maintain there is a plan. Been rolling out since Jan.

#121 Paul on 05.08.20 at 6:04 pm

#14 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 2:24 pm
DON’T GET IN YOUR CAR AND HEAD NORTH TODAY!

(That means YOU, too, Druggie!)
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Too Late, I’m going to town in the morning to stock.
Guest are taking the Bunkie.

#122 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.08.20 at 6:05 pm

#25 Ustabe on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm sez:
“A message to all you solid conservative men who gleefully posted crap about May and Tam’s appearance yesterday.

Do you not remember the Conservatives poking fun at Chretien’s facial appearance…and losing the election.

Do you not remember the Conservatives poking fun at Trudeau’s hair…and losing the election.

Going to someones physical appearance has been proved to be of no use and besides it reeks of immature, frat boy bravado.

Real solid conservative men poking at two women who at the very least have stood up, using their real names, and done something for our country.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I no longer fight physically but if I walked up on you talking about my wife in such a manner I might be tempted…childish, immature and out of line.

Just another reason in a long list as to why the CPC will not form a Federal government anytime soon.”
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Lol, what are your 70 plus noodle arms gonna do, send a strongly worded email?

White Knights gonna White Knight.

#123 The Black Swan Lurkith on 05.08.20 at 6:07 pm

I wonder how many more shenanigans like this we are going to see:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/one-trader-started-day-77000-his-account-end-he-owed-9-million

#124 Field of Dreams on 05.08.20 at 6:11 pm

If you open it, they won’t come:

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/texas-anti-climactic-reopening-malls-restaurants-empty-beaches-parks-packed

Oh well at least all those boast use a lot of gas.

#125 J on 05.08.20 at 6:11 pm

Nice Maltese pic! We got a Maltese a few years ago – my older son is allergic to dog hair but he did some research and decided that a hypoallergenic Maltese would be nice. At first I wasn’t sure I’d like a small dog, but she’s really grown on me and is definitely an integral part of the family now. Plus, small dogs are very portable which can be convenient at times.

#126 gfd on 05.08.20 at 6:12 pm

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the federal government’s emergency wage-subsidy program will be extended beyond its early-June endpoint.

The program covers 75 per cent of worker pay up to $847 a week to try to help employers keep employees on the job in the face of steep declines in revenue due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

#127 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.08.20 at 6:15 pm

#55 Idealistic Realist on 05.08.20 at 3:50 pm sez:
“#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

I take offence to being labeled an antivaxxer.I’ve had nearly every vaccine possible due to my passion for international travel.

Why would I, a healthy under 70 year old, subject myself to a vaccine for a mutating virus that is being created by a… well I’ll stop there.

As a sane, literate and caring member of society, I will quarantine myself prior to visiting anyone who is immunocompromised and /or over 70.

You don’t have to worry about many of us ‘antivaxxers’ coming near any maskies. People like you terrify me more than the virus itself.”
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Boom! Destroyed the fear mongers in one fell swoop!

#128 Stone on 05.08.20 at 6:16 pm

#45 Info Seeker on 05.08.20 at 3:26 pm
I think the questions being answered has a really specific interpretation. For example:

Do you wear a mask when in public?

“Maskless cowboys”? Not really. There are people who would definitely like to (as opposed to not wear one) but don’t. They cannot find any available. I know that there are also people who would like to buy them, but can’t afford to at the outrageous $20 a piece. Everywhere in my city masks are sold out, except for one pharmacy that currently only sells them at $20 / piece. People have been using a scarf as a substitute, not as effective because it won’t always stay in place, and it defeats the purpose of using one if you constantly have to keep adjusting it.

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There’s this thing called the internet.

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/50PCS-Face-Mask-Disposable-Anti-PM2-5-Anti-Particle-Mask-Dustproof-Mouth-Mask/PRD1TZF8J7KDZ0C?rrid=richrelevance

50 masks for $39.70.

#129 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 6:17 pm

It’ll be snowing everywhere up here within hours, people.

JUST STAY AWAY.

#130 Penny Henny on 05.08.20 at 6:19 pm

#1 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 1:59 pm
Why is CERB $2000/month? I predicted why THREE years ago here.

See $2000 net grossed up by 20%, divided by a standard 160 hour work month…is $15 an hour.
(That is equivilant to working 40 hours each week at $15 per hour then paying 20% tax off the top. $2000/month is your net)
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your calculations do not account for CERB being taxable.

#131 Howard on 05.08.20 at 6:19 pm

The number of people seeking a government handout (7.6 million in Canada, 33 million in the States)

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Considering the relative populations of the two countries, this is astonishing.

And are we really looking at practically indefinite mortgage deferrals? At this point Trudeau might as well come out and say that the government will pay everyone’s mortgage for them.

#132 Prairieboy43 on 05.08.20 at 6:20 pm

Good survey. I am surprised number scared recipients (Parents included). Canadians have weakened. Appears many Canadians wont go into the corners to get the puck (this was Canadian strong point). Like many have said on this blog. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men/women (this is where we are).
Thank You Martin Armstrong for this deleted Youtube video. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/dr-judy-michowitzs-video-restored/

#133 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.08.20 at 6:20 pm

#58 William of the North on 05.08.20 at 3:56 pm sez:

“#2 Roial1

Either a vaccine provides you with immunity or it doesn’t. If you take a vaccine, you should be able to bask in your intelligent decision of how enlightened you are; and how the pitiful anti-vaxers will certainly meet their doom. No need to round anyone up. No need to make it mandatory.

Right? Vaccines=personal protection. Right?

Your immune. So why would you care or be afraid of what the person next to you has done?”
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And the hits just keep on coming. Finally the people are awake to the tactics of the politically correct virtue signalers!

#134 NFN_NLN on 05.08.20 at 6:20 pm

#18 Blair on 05.08.20 at 2:32 pm
It is interesting that so many people in the poll want the economy to “open up”, but are unwilling to participate in the usual activities of normal life.

The number of people unwilling to see the dentist (a medical professional that wore gloves and masks even BEFORE the virus) makes me wonder. Soon you won’t be able to tell apart Canadians from Brits…

#135 Figmund Sreud on 05.08.20 at 6:21 pm

“Opening Problems” (cartoon):

https://mobile.twitter.com/kaltoons/status/1258425821963915264?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Just about all folks fear to get sick!

It’s true, … I jog for an hour every single day, and very nearly all veer aside by about a decametre – or more, to either side upon the first glance of a runner!

Anyway, … the economy depends on people feeling safe, period, … yet vast employment in Canada is generated by services.

That feeling unsafe behaviour will prolong this current crisis, for a while still, … and so, one must factor this fact in!

Rollerblade with care,

F.S. – Calgary, Alberta.

#136 Howard on 05.08.20 at 6:22 pm

#89 Piano_Man87 on 05.08.20 at 4:56 pm
I have a haircut booked for May 23, suckers!

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Appointment? How fancy. I just go to a walk-in.

#137 Penny Henny on 05.08.20 at 6:22 pm

#7 CJ on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm
It’s irresponsible and ignorant to not wear a mask when you’re out grocery shopping or in crowds.
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You nailed me!
Two for two.

#138 Do we have all the facts on 05.08.20 at 6:23 pm

News flash!! House prices will not increase without a sustained increase in employment.

I suggest that all the housing optimists on this blog wait to see what our the Canadian labour force looks like when the Covid 19 “pandemic” ends. Will all of the 4.5 million Canadians employed in the retail sales and service sector of our economy in January 2020 be employed in January 2021? I sincerely doubt it.

Far too much damage has been done to economies around the world wide to ever believe that house prices will escape a measure of correction.

Credit will tighten and this time around governments will find it difficult to satisfy every entity affected by the Covid noose.

We are in a pickle!! Plan accordingly.

#139 Northshore guy on 05.08.20 at 6:28 pm

Thank you for your financial advise Garth over the years! I stayed invested over the crash and didn’t listen to friends and family for getting out of the market. My balanced portfolio has nearly recovered :)

#140 Smartalox on 05.08.20 at 6:28 pm

Garth, I would be interested to know your thoughts on how the government will re-pay its covid deficits?

Any chance that Bill More n’ Owe will add back in those 2% points that the Tories lopped off the GST back in 2008? I seem to recall that back in the day, those points were worth $10B per year in revenue. The CDN economy was about $1.3T in 2009, $1.9T in 2019 (50% larger).

Up the GST by 2% points for a decade to pay off the Covid Costs?

Maybe make the GST a true VAT where budding businesses can deduct their input costs as credits?

Maybe wait until the economy picks up a bit first, to be sure, but it seems like it’d be a more equitable way to go than just trying to fleece more from the wealthy (who’d just find ways to hide more of theirs anyway).

#141 Penny Henny on 05.08.20 at 6:37 pm

#38 YVR Expat on 05.08.20 at 3:14 pm
Have you seen the new guidelines for Quebec’s schools? It’s as bad as being in prison: no socializing, monitored bathroom breaks, and recess consist of walking in pre-determined lines while socially distancing….I imagine this would be traumatizing to a 6 year old.
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being told to stand in a corner is now a reward instead of punishment.

#142 Howard on 05.08.20 at 6:40 pm

#39 Scott on 05.08.20 at 3:17 pm
@ #1 Turner nation

Hey out of curiosity who do you think are the globalists and what is their end game? Is it just to hoard wealth and benefit from their underlings labor or are there intergalactic implications at play?

What’s the fix? No more international trade and immigration? Shut down the internet?

If you were made PM tomorrow what would be your top order of business?

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I can’t speak for Turner Nation but here’s my take.

Essentially, the globalism vs nationalism debate comes down to a simple question: Whose interests do you serve?

For nationalist politicians, the answer is the citizens that elected them.

For globalist politicians, the answer is NOT the citizenry but rather global amorphous bodies like the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, various NGOs. This crowd is epitomized, and perhaps caricatured, by the yearly globalist Davos forum.

Every policy difference flows from this fundamental philosophical distinction in my opinion.

#143 Northshore guy on 05.08.20 at 6:41 pm

#100 Cto
“The Canadian government should start a new investment vehicle.
The new federal government “deferred mortgage.”!
Forget 40-year Amortizations
This new policy allows mortgage takers to defer indefinitely!
They can defer as long as it suits them and cmhc and bank of Canada and the federal government will do the rest!!!!”

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, but a banker friend of mine was saying there is possibility to have 6 month holiday every 10-12 yrs of mortgage period, whenever required. This takes away risk of job loss or any unexpected events. So basically the customer can save this holiday for a rainy day (or year in this case)

Governments have learnt a new trick for saving realestate and this is bound to come out in different package sooner or later..

#144 Gooblygoo on 05.08.20 at 6:45 pm

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#145 Drill Baby Drill on 05.08.20 at 6:48 pm

Elizabeth May is dumber than a pressure treated fence post.

#146 Drill Baby Drill on 05.08.20 at 6:50 pm

I asked my doctor about wearing a face mask and he said they are used by medical people to protect themselves.

#147 Nonplused on 05.08.20 at 6:51 pm

I’m thinking Canadian layoffs for May will be +1,000,000. June +500,000. This ain’t over yet.

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#14 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 2:24 pm
“DON’T GET IN YOUR CAR AND HEAD NORTH TODAY!

(That means YOU, too, Druggie!)”

Go away, Karen.

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#68 HEADING NORTH EARLY TODAY! on 05.08.20 at 4:14 pm

“Hey we’re heading up! Got the bikes, toys and kids ready to go! Grocery stores will be crazy busy here, so will load up when we get there. After all, it’s not a crime to shop for essential services.”

You might want to shop before you go because the stores in the cottage country are probably not stocked for a massive increase in demand and are probably unable to obtain such stock. Also that way Karen will have a harder time finding & harassing you. If you stay on your property and keep to yourselves she will have to trespass to implement her threats and you will thus have the upper hand in court.

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#69 Karen on 05.08.20 at 4:14 pm

“Most of the people being treated and tested for Covid in our small hospitals are already bozos from Toronto who are ‘just visiting’. We DON’T have the capacity for you all if you get sick! And you’ll steal the ability for us to treat ourselves.”

Those cottagers pay for the hospitals too. And if they are like most cottagers use them frequently as they flip off their quads and wake boards and otherwise compete for Darwin awards, so the capacity is there. And remember so far no ICU in Canada has been overrun by this virus. Flattening the curve seems to be working.

In my opinion, you are the one being selfish by trying to dictate what other property owners can do with their properties just because you have lost what little sanity you had left over this thing. Most everyone who has a cottage will be bugging out to it by June 1 and there won’t be anything you can do about it, except keep your distance. And if you do harass them, they will remember it forever. I hope you don’t have a job that depends on the cottagers in any way shape or form. Once you out yourself, you won’t even be able to sell produce road side, for the rest of your life. People forgive, but they don’t forget.

Your rants are exactly the bad side of humanity that comes out in troubled times. I am surprised Garth doesn’t delete them, especially since they are full of falsehoods and threats.

And PS nobody is going to listen to you. Maybe you should ask to speak to the manager.

#148 Sold Out on 05.08.20 at 7:00 pm

#66 FreeBird on 05.08.20 at 4:11 pm
too.

#45 Info Seeker on 05.08.20 at 3:26 pm
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I support everyone’s freedom of choice to control what to put into they’re own body and when. Nobody should be forced to put any drug in them unless under extreme emergency/life threatening conditions and they or an a an authorized emerg contact can’t speak for them. Even then many where medical alert bracelets etc to speak for them.

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There is already precedent for medicting people against their will – pychiatric patients are routinely dosed, despite their express wishes to the contrary.

Solid science, over decades, has proven that the risk of disease complications outweighs the small risks of vaccination.

I know people who developed Guillan-Barre syndrome post-mandatory workplace flu vaccine, but I still roll up my sleeve knowing that the odds are on my side.

#149 Paul on 05.08.20 at 7:01 pm

#69 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 4:14 pm
STAY AWAY!

In my area we are collaborating and documenting all the southern hillbillies who show up instead of common sense and public health warnings, starting this weekend. Expect you may find a camera in your face.

Don’t expect any sympathy from the locals who have built our communities when things go badly for you.

Most of the people being treated and tested for Covid in our small hospitals are already bozos from Toronto who are ‘just visiting’. We DON’T have the capacity for you all if you get sick! And you’ll steal the ability for us to treat ourselves.

If you do not stay away, small communities have the legal emergency power to seize your property and sell it for 25% of the assessed value, then withhold the proceeds as a penalty for your EXTREME NUISANCE AND ENDANGERMENT.

If you don’t pay your taxes, YOUR PROPERTY CAN BE SEIZED.

So get over your urban self-absorption and arrogance, all you precious Toronto snowflakes!

Go back to the cottage in 2021.

NOT A DAY BEFORE!
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Now that’s funny, sounds like a challenge. No property will be seized ,why would anyone go to a hospital in YOUR small town. Talk about snowflakes.lol

#150 Reality is stark on 05.08.20 at 7:04 pm

Wow. The government is going to pay students $5,000.00 this summer to live at home and drink beer and smoke weed with friends all weekend.
I suppose this will somehow create a more progressive work ethic.
I believe we are inculcating a populace that believes that printing money is how all problems are solved. The rich will pay. It’s like the religious zealot that honestly believes that “God will provide” and personal responsibility has no bearing on prosperity.
We are going too far with this silliness.
No one is denying a quick 4 months of CERB but the reality of life is that it should be EI and welfare subsequently.
Students should be taking migrant worker type summer jobs.
The whole thing is becoming a farce.
Paying people to not work is a strategy which does not end well. Already I see signs of colleagues who resent having to come into work once a week for a couple hours to pick up files to work at home.
We are creating a permanent 15% unemployment rate.
Our work ethic is disintegrating as Canadians begin to buy into much higher levels of taxation to support a different work/life balance.
You work. They get balance.
A 60 cent dollar is guaranteed and bond vigilantes will not be lending this country money without a pound of flesh.
The place is quickly becoming a banana republic.

#151 Anonymous on 05.08.20 at 7:11 pm

Well, you write a one-sided survey, you get one-sided view. Especally when you get to interpret it however you want. Your blog, your rules.

“Should the economy open up”?
No option for gradual, evidence (testing) based approach, just a yes or no.

But especially “would you take a vaccine when available?”
I am assuming either a “no” or a “maybe” was interpreted as an “anti-vexxer”, based on Garht saying “Oh, and too damn many anti-vaxxers.” If it was only the “no”, it was 11%, which is still too much.

I answered “maybe”, but not because I am an anti-vexxer. I am just not going to inject anything that went through a rushed approval processin order to fend of a disease that most infected people oversome with barely any symptoms. No need for a repeat of Thalidomide here. I’ll take it after a couple of years of data on side-effects and efficacy, the same way I take all my vaccinations.

#152 Ballingsford on 05.08.20 at 7:17 pm

#89 Piano_Man87 on 05.08.20 at 4:56 pm
I have a haircut booked for May 23, suckers!
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You’re getting someone to cut those last 3 hairs on your head? Why don’t you just shave them or pluck them out with a pair of tweezers!

#153 PastThePeak on 05.08.20 at 7:20 pm

Happy VE Day!

Big thanks to the Greatest Generation which actually fought a real war to protect our way of life, and built a solid society for the next 40 years afterward. Life through you a giant curveball, but you rose to the challenge.

I am sorry that the last few generations have let it all fall apart…

#154 Lost...but not leased on 05.08.20 at 7:24 pm

” Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! ” party is just a TROLL

They have had their 19:84 Minutes of fame…

(sorry Justin T….but gig is up….say hi to Sophie)

#155 Genesis II on 05.08.20 at 7:26 pm

#59 Dolce Vita on 05.08.20 at 3:56 pm

Why reopening the Cdn economy will FAIL (well, if Garth’s brave 6511 followers minus 1 have their way):

-Wear a mask in public? 70% NO.
-Take the vaccine? 57% YES (you need 75% for herd immunity, minimum; otherwise, no point in taking the vaccine).

Watch the number of Blog Comments diminish over the next few months to a year.

Natural Selection. LOVE it.

I get to watch/read safely from afar. LOVE that even better.
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A most idiotic comment IMO.

We’ve had >200,000 years WITHOUT vaccines on this Planet. Guess what – we’re still here.

The idea that we need to vaccinate 8 Billion people before things ‘go back to normal’ (so said Bill Gates), is irresponsible at best and criminal at worst.

The old, sickly and weak do die…is this new?

#156 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 7:31 pm

The vaxxers don’t get it. If a viable universal antiviral is developed, nobody will ever need a vaccine again even kids. This is a medicine that would take care of every viral borne disease on the planet including the common cold. 30% of cancers have a viral basis. And if it mutates, doesn’t matter. The mechanism is the target, not the virus itself.

Such a medicine would be taken just like an antibiotic when ever conditions shows up. Why continue to vaccinate the entire population when you can treat the minority who will get it the diseases. Its the reverse idea from the twisted paradigm we have now.

#157 Steerage wisdom on 05.08.20 at 7:33 pm

#108 CJohnC on 05.08.20 at 5:34 pm
#59 Dolce Vita.

“Watch the number of Blog Comments diminish over the next few months to a year.

Natural Selection. LOVE it.”
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That’s dark……and funny
…..

But the quality will likely improve…..

#158 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 7:36 pm

@ # 129 cottagers JUST STAY AWAY!
“It’ll be snowing everywhere up here within hours, people.

JUST STAY AWAY.”

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Is it me?
Or does your writing style seem an awful lot like Apocalypse2020
PREPARE!

#159 Flop... on 05.08.20 at 7:43 pm

#200 WUL on 05.08.20 at 12:37 am

#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

Hey, FLOP. Are you still swinging the 20 oz. Estwing at 3″ coated?

I ain’t in court much these days. The doors to the Palais de Justice are locked. I’m hankerin’ for some disputatious unpleasantness.

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Hey WULLY, I will place you at number two on my back to work program, behind Steven Rowlandson, a dude I’m trying to get out from living in his car in Barrie, you haven’t gone down to wormhole that far have you?

Unlike CERB, where you sit on your bum, the Flop Unemployment Construction Dilemma or FUCD for short, requires labour, sometimes even of the hard variety.

I have been hunkered down on an extensive renovation project, not really out and about talking to people about what is going on, and trying to have a low profile on -site, because the City of Vancouver seems intent on nailing us on some sort of infraction.

Gotta make up lost revenues somehow.

I could go on a crime spree to give you some work, if you want.

It will get diabolical, as I reach deep down inside and do dastardly things, such as hold a yard sale without a permit, and wash my car during water restrictions.

I’m a bad, bad man, are you sure you want to be associated with swine like me…

M45BC

#160 IHCTD9 on 05.08.20 at 8:01 pm

#142 Howard on 05.08.20 at 6:40 pm

I can’t speak for Turner Nation but here’s my take.

Essentially, the globalism vs nationalism debate comes down to a simple question: Whose interests do you serve?

For nationalist politicians, the answer is the citizens that elected them.

For globalist politicians, the answer is NOT the citizenry but rather global amorphous bodies like the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, various NGOs. This crowd is epitomized, and perhaps caricatured, by the yearly globalist Davos forum.

Every policy difference flows from this fundamental philosophical distinction in my opinion.
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Globalization is about servicing the needs of the Western World. Globalized manufacturing has driven costs down on any consumer goods you can name for us in the West – huge.

Immigration is the same, they come here and get educated at twice the cost of a domestic student. Then we give them PR and maybe Citizenship so they can work here and pay our ridiculous taxes so that our social services and safety net remain intact.

Globalization is the slow march to maximum efficiency in manufacturing, raw materials, and food supply. There is only one best spot to undertake these tasks on this planet, and globalization is putting the jobs that need to be done, right where they can be done at the least cost. This benefits pretty much everyone (cheap for us, jobs for them), but no one benefits more than a citizen of the West.

Eventually, some kind of equilibrium will be established when the currencies and standard of life increases to similar levels the world over. At this point, the benefits for the West will diminish.

Be happy you live in the West, and will not live long enough to see the equilibrium, you are winning huge.

#161 Oracle of Ottawa on 05.08.20 at 8:03 pm

The only way to know if the Government acted appropriately with regards to the length of the shutdown is to monitor other countries as they lift they’re bans. It’s as simple as that.

#162 GAV on 05.08.20 at 8:03 pm

Apparantly, the last time there was 13% unemployment in Canada, it was in 1982.

And the Prime Minister was….. Pierre Trudeau.

Justin must be so proud. All the Liberal voters in Central Canada must be so proud.

Trudeau did not import the virus. Grow up. – Garth

#163 Tim123 on 05.08.20 at 8:05 pm

I think the TD report is a bit optimistic for a sales boom in 2021. It all depends when a vaccine is found. I am guessing 12 to 18 months according to the news, although as some people have posted it is possible that no vaccine is found for years. There is a big drop in real estate values until the economy starts coming back fully.
The bottom is in for the stock market, as the old saying goes don’t fight the Fed. It is an excellent market for traders and the volatility really is good for traders. I anticipate an excellent market for stock pickers and traders.

#164 Brian Bartley on 05.08.20 at 8:07 pm

Reply to Kevin #28

When George Washington had the flu. They bled him three times (state of the art knowledge at the time). Last bleeding he died. I bet he wished he had not put his faith in the so called experts. No conspiracy man, just the facts man, just the facts.

#165 Drinking on 05.08.20 at 8:19 pm

Interesting results. Wow, some very opinionated comments which borders on the obscene. One step at a time folks.
Stay safe, responsible but live life, I am personally getting a little tired of people that feel that they know it all but do not. Corona has always been part of our lives like the common cold virus; the Covid is much worse but it is inevitable that we will all come down with it and there will never be a cure for it like there has never been a cure for the common cold.

#166 rentin on 05.08.20 at 8:33 pm

The wealthy hold assets and the rest hold debt. – Garth

Actually only the ueber wealthy have no debt. The wealthy hold debt, but their assets are always greater. That’s the only way to get ueber wealthy. But with leverage comes risk, and with too much risk potentially bankruptcy.

So maybe it put better as:

The wealty hold assets, the smart hold servicible debt and foolish hold only debt and pretend.

#167 Devil Anse on 05.08.20 at 8:40 pm

I’ll expose myself to the virus before some hastily manufactured BS vaccine any day.

#168 april on 05.08.20 at 8:41 pm

#132 – How do you know she is speaking the truth? Have you looked into her background? Apparently she is a “conspiracy theorist”.

#169 John in Mtl on 05.08.20 at 8:43 pm

@ #38 YVR Expat on 05.08.20 at 3:14 pm

“Have you seen the new guidelines for Quebec’s schools? It’s as bad as being in prison: no socializing, monitored bathroom breaks, and recess consist of walking in pre-determined lines while socially distancing….I imagine this would be traumatizing to a 6 year old.”

From listening to the daily press conferences given by PM Legault & Dr Arruda, the main reason schools are reopening is not really to continue “schooling” the kids but rather for their mental health! The good Dr. has determined that its really important for the kids to see their friends and teachers again, even if its in a restricted way. There’s just no substitute for human interaction, it is an important aspect of mental equilibrium. Not much teaching is going to get done until june 19, the end of primary school semester and going to school is not compulsory.

Personally, I think this is also an experiment to test the “herd immunity” concept. Better to do it now than in september and risk shutting everything down again.

From what I’ve seen around here (south shore of Mtl), not many kids are back yet; there is a lot of fear on the part of the parents and its understandable – no one knows if the “infection transmission chain” will start up again because of this. Montreal will follow eventually but at the moment it is really the hotbed of the virus in Quebec.

#170 MF on 05.08.20 at 8:43 pm

107 Lost…but not leased on 05.08.20 at 5:28 pm

“Irrefutable proof”?

Start with life expectancy. Look at the rates of diseases that have vaccines versus when they didn’t.

And Mother Nature is cruel. For almost all of the millions of years of human evolution people died early, were maimed, or suffered immensely at her hands -that is until a sliver of time from around the time vaccines were created and widely distributed 50 years ago when things changed.

I’m not against critical thinking, caution (particularly for new vaccines), or any individual’s stance on this. But the proof of vaccine effectiveness and necessity is pretty clear in my opinion.

MF

#171 MF on 05.08.20 at 8:45 pm

15 not 1st on 05.08.20 a

Well put.

Solid response.

Carry on!

MF

#172 Bob Dog on 05.08.20 at 8:51 pm

Market is up. The wealthiest 1% win again. Screw the poor.

Only 1%ers invest? News to me. – Garth

#173 Vicky on 05.08.20 at 8:58 pm

Results on Question 12 re: a vaccine. WTF?

32% maybe and 11% no? What the hell is wrong with people to think this should be optional? Same thing for rubella, measles, mumps, DTaP, etc? I get freedom of choice and liberty, but public safety is critical too. I think we’re way too lax on forcing vaccinations, and forgetful of how much progress we’ve made against these deadly diseases. No vaccination, no public services is my take on it.

I’m disappointed in your readers, Garth.
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Ok Kevin, if you are such a believer in the vaccination please tell me who is going to pay me if I get injured after vaccination. Canada has no compensation plan except Quebec and USA paid over 4 billion $$ for vaccine injury. You want people to take brand new vaccination (developed rapidly with very little testing) and if you get injured – you are on your own. Just remember: when there is a risk, there should be a choice.
I know it is not vaccination forum and Garth probably will say it but it boils my blood when I hear people like Kevin.

#174 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 9:44 pm

Budget Fudge it.

Rex nails it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-covid-19-and-our-new-government-at-the-bottom-of-the-cottage-doorsteps

#175 ML on 05.08.20 at 10:02 pm

Great sample size, Garth! I think the percentage of voters not receiving CERB speaks to what kind of crowd follows your blog. Also… who are these superhumans being MORE productive working from home???

#176 Lost...but not leased on 05.08.20 at 10:08 pm

#170 MF on 05.08.20 at 8:43 pm
107 Lost…but not leased on 05.08.20 at 5:28 pm

“Irrefutable proof”?

Start with life expectancy. Look at the rates of diseases that have vaccines versus when they didn’t.

And Mother Nature is cruel. For almost all of the millions of years of human evolution people died early, were maimed, or suffered immensely at her hands -that is until a sliver of time from around the time vaccines were created and widely distributed 50 years ago when things changed.

I’m not against critical thinking, caution (particularly for new vaccines), or any individual’s stance on this.

But the proof of vaccine effectiveness and necessity is pretty clear in my opinion.

MF

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Please refer to the first sentence of the post

Pretty clear the “new normal” will be mandatory injections of a cocktail of ingredients that have no proof whatsoever re: safety…let alone effectiveness.

The “cautionary principle” does not seem to apply.

They have already started trials with a hoped out roll out by Sept. 2020…..so why not volunteer MF ?

#177 Bobby Bittman on 05.08.20 at 10:14 pm

#25 Ustabe
“You should be ashamed of yourselves.”

That’s Trump’s favourite admonishment comment. Are you a fan too?

#178 Roger_Home_Inspector on 05.08.20 at 10:16 pm

#82 Stylite.

Good work! Hope all goes well for you. I’m a carpenter- I was told in high school that I needed to go to university and get a degree or I wouldn’t be anything. Not only have I not been affected work wise through this, but I’ve had more opportunity than ever because some people in my trade are choosing not to work opening more opportunity. The futures so bright I need to wear shades lol

#179 Ky on 05.08.20 at 10:19 pm

We are thoroughly enjoying the collapse of Airbnb. Really it is such pure joy to look at the rental market and see the rates drop so much. Hopefully this will be the reset Vancouver needs. If not I am still enjoying the suffering of others which is not something we normally do but since greed has made this bubble they had it coming to them.

#180 Anthony on 05.08.20 at 10:21 pm

Here’s a question, Mr. Market anticipated bad news regarding Covid and dealt with the extreme fall out outlined here, millions unemployed, businesses closing, etc all in the course of 4 weeks?

So it’s pricing in recovery now? The restaurants and small businesses are closing, jobs are lost, travel and tourism dead, rent/mortgages not paid, no real understanding of how easy it is to get the economy going again, second wave of Covid etc. is all being priced in?

It’s just perpetual sunshine except for one month?

Let’s be clear, equities are as a phony a market as housing, all propped up by the central banks and governments. It’s bailouts and easy money as far as the eye can see.

#181 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:35 pm

#128 Stone on 05.08.20 at 6:16 pm

There’s this thing called the internet.

50 masks for $39.70.

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Hey Stone, want a tip on how to save $39.70?

#182 YouKnowWho on 05.08.20 at 10:39 pm

Plane hits dude on runway?

Southwest.

53 people on board. Does that sound to you like an empty plane?

WHY ARE PLANES FLYING?

#183 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:41 pm

#132 Prairieboy43 on 05.08.20 at 6:20 pm

Good survey. I am surprised number scared recipients.

Canadians have weakened. Appears many Canadians wont go into the corners to get the puck.

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True. There are a few stalwarts, but most of you seem pretty wimpy. I mean good God, read some of MF’s posts.

You need more Americans here to strengthen the stock. Add a little hybrid vigour.

#184 Joseph R. on 05.08.20 at 10:44 pm

#6 JB on 05.08.20 at 2:11 pm
Its a pandemic. So deal with it. We will get past the bad stuff. Doctors are pissed at how stupid we are though.
In a year we will be saying do you remember that $hit we had to deal with, glad I stayed invested.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/what-are-we-doing-doctors-are-fed-conspiracies-ravaging-ers-n1201446?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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There is no cure for stupidity.

#185 John in Mtl on 05.08.20 at 10:45 pm

#94 Lost…but not leased on 05.08.20 at 5:01 pm

See my comment for Quebec (# 169).

#186 Kat on 05.08.20 at 10:46 pm

Vicky anti vaccine people boil the blood of rational people so go on and put your foil hat on and keep the faith.

#187 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:52 pm

#148 Sold Out on 05.08.20 at 7:00 pm

I know people who developed Guillan-Barre syndrome post-mandatory workplace flu vaccine, but I still roll up my sleeve knowing that the odds are on my side.

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Hey! Exactly my reason for living a normal life throughout the Corvid, and chuckling as the timid scuttle away. May the odds be ever in your favour, my friend!

#188 Wiseguy on 05.08.20 at 10:53 pm

All this talk about things going back to normal once a vaccine arrives. Let me say this…I work with vaccines, and there are over 70 companies working on over 90 vaccines. The timeline is unprecented!
No vaccine will ever be here by the fall or even a year from now and even if they did find a vaccine that was even somewhat effective at mitigating the disease, it will only be given to the elderly, immunocompromised, and healthcare workers.
Everyone else will have to wait until 2022, by which time, the disease may very well have fizzled out.
Problem is that I definitely see a second wave happening in the fall and the virus is going to drastically spread in the USA. We will shut down again and at that time, I see a massive market collapse.

#189 belly rubs on 05.08.20 at 10:59 pm

#14 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.08.20 at 2:24 pm
DON’T GET IN YOUR CAR AND HEAD NORTH TODAY!

Just your luck, first ever case of mosquito rabies will break out in 3, 2, 1…

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#106 Deplorable Dude on 05.08.20 at 5:26 pm

In a nutshell…..keeping us inside is highest risk

….

BC encouraged everybody to get outside and get some air. Seems to have worked.

#190 Dr V on 05.08.20 at 11:15 pm

166 rentin

“Actually only the uber wealthy have no debt”

So a 35 yr old renter with $50k in a well balanced TFSA is wealthy?

#191 Keyboard Smasher on 05.08.20 at 11:20 pm

Hi Garth, how well do you know the inner workings of the CRA?

I want to snitch on some small time tax dodgers in my near circle, things like un-reported rental income, wife is a barber taking cash only, etc.

Does the CRA even investigate tips on these small-time offenders?

#192 AisA on 05.08.20 at 11:23 pm

#2 Roial1 on 05.08.20 at 2:07 pm

If your magic injection is so valuable to society, you have nothing to be at risk of do you?

So why the internment camps?

#193 Sam Wier on 05.08.20 at 11:30 pm

#1 TN , your point makes it obvious that Canada’s wealth under Trudeau Globalists will serve to be spent outside Canada while Canadians are kept from ever achieving our potential or benefit from our incredible wealth of resource riches.

What could be a land of milk and honey is seen by Trudeau Globalists as a curse for them and a honey pot to anyone except Canadians who they want to keep down.

If resources are extracted it makes locals rich but Trudeau Globalists hate that. So instead they steal from you in high taxation to send elsewhere. It makes bureaucrats like UN rich and in power over wealth distribution in last world countries where abortion is more important than economies to feed growing populations.

The Brundtland Commission decades ago spells it out. Pierre Trudeau signed on at the time. The document created climate change to fund sustainable development and gos into detail as to why the west must be kept from becoming wealthier and why taxation be used to stop expectations.

It was negotiated specifically to screw Canada by Pierre Trudeaus Gerald Butts equivelant, Maurice Strong. Read up on who these people were and what their stated intentions were. Strong was so nefarious a manipulator he had to leave Canada and was hidden from public view. Rasputin gets bad press, but Strong is right up there, but hidden by media, why? Read and decide.

The Globalist Agenda is not a conspiracy people. It’s what happens when power drunk maniacs with bizarre agenda seize control of national governments.

Everyone should read this craziness. It should be mandatory. Average citizens are blind to the program by political globalists to crush your dreams.

#194 newbie dog on 05.08.20 at 11:30 pm

checked my credit score a couple of days ago, Transunion (bank is RBC) they dropped it from 830 to 799

no mortgage (rent),no loans,unused credit line, credit card paid in full every 1st of the month,only difference is temporarily layoff (back to work May 25, car plant), my credit report says unemployed ,no EI , but has said that forever, I never update it, but maybe now they are scrutinizing everyone

Anyone had changes to their credit score during covid?

#195 AisA on 05.08.20 at 11:43 pm

#170 MF on 05.08.20 at 8:43 pm

It’s called hygiene.

When British doctors started washing hands between births, the rate of infant deaths, as well as mothers dying during birth was halved.

As an aside, the latest Anthropological findings suggest that we are simply advancing to the average age lived by hunter-gatherers

#196 Sky on 05.08.20 at 11:49 pm

China. The country that poisoned its own infants via melamine in baby formula, killed countless of our North American cats and dogs with deadly pet food, and is currently selling defective coronavirus test kits, masks and PPE.

China. The supplier of the vast majority of our western pharmaceuticals which are recalled on a regular basis due to carcinogens. Slight problems like compounds used in the manufacture of rocket fuel added to blood pressure medications.

The bulk of the hypothetical coronavirus vaccine will of course be manufactured where? You guessed it.

Thanks to globalism what other country has the manufacturing capability to produce billions of doses? Billions. Because that’s exactly what the college dropout with ZERO medical qualifications (Bill Gates) just said is needed in order for things to return to normal. The ENTIRE WORLD will need to be vaccinated.

I’ve watched a number of the pharma CEOs on CNBC this week discussing this vaccine and when asked where all these vaccine doses would be produced they hedged. They would name one lab in the west and then go on to say “and other countries”. Not one CEO used the word CHINA. They used the euphemism “other countries” instead. I wonder why?

If you liked ‘made’ in China, you will absolutely love ‘injectable directly into your body from China’. What could possibly go wrong?

#197 PaWEL on 05.08.20 at 11:50 pm

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#198 mnpr on 05.08.20 at 11:52 pm

Look, this was not a scientific poll. The questions and following answers cannot take into account the nuances of why questions were answered a certain way. But it’s good for entertainment purposes and to get a general view on thoughts of readers of this blog.

For example… I answered the vaccine question “my body, my choice”. So this might paint me as an anti-vaccer. But I most definitely am not. For proven vaccines and I will always be up for it. I get the flu shot on offer every fall.

But I answered the way I did because I can never be 100% sure I would agree to a new vaccine, especially if it was rushed out without being fully proven, which it might be given the general hysteria which exists around this situation.

#199 Fused on 05.09.20 at 12:30 am

#109 Sail Away
What is your thoughts on Royal Nickel corporation.
Some of my holdings are AAL,USO, CCL, GE, SPCE, bought FLWS beginning of Feb. It was kind of a morbid play, but with the pandemic and no one allowed to attend funerals, I believed they would at least send flowers, and it is still moving up.

#200 Cowtown Cowboy on 05.09.20 at 12:34 am

162 GAV on 05.08.20 at 8:03 pm
Apparantly, the last time there was 13% unemployment in Canada, it was in 1982.

And the Prime Minister was….. Pierre Trudeau.

Justin must be so proud. All the Liberal voters in Central Canada must be so proud.

Trudeau did not import the virus. Grow up. – Garth

Well, by leaving the borders open he kinda did import the virus, or is that too hard to understand?

But you know, the who says the virus doesn’t know borders..man you couldn’t make this stupidity up if you tried

#201 whiplash on 05.09.20 at 12:47 am

#28 Kevin

Look at every event, zika in 2015, the thought was a vaccine in no time, wrong, 5 years later no vaccine. Try safety, we humans have a condition called ADE/antibody dependent enhancement if you have no antibody or immune response you’ll get the disease, if you have a lot your protected, but if you are in between level you will get the disease and your immune response is really destructive.

1976 I was vaccinated for swine flu when Gerald Ford was president and brought on a vaccine to deal with the “swine” flu in a panic, sicker than hell for nearly two weeks. The governemnt pulled it after only 25% of the population were vaccinated. Never had a flu shot since.

A safe and effective vaccine is not going to happen any time soon, wishful thinking.

#202 Cabin Cruiser on 05.09.20 at 12:52 am

Hello Mr Garth. I am from Causeway Bay in Kong Kong and am very very close to what’s going on in our great city and the Chinese enemy across our former border. I urge you to correct wrong dangerous opinion on vaccines unless you are prepared to tell people of the extreme danger of vaccines especially ones from China what may slip in to the exported supply. People lives are at stake so please be responsible and allow your listeners to view this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iyrcsCcqak

#203 yvr_lurker on 05.09.20 at 1:19 am

#160 IHCTD9
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Your testament to globalization sound great in theory, but as we are witnessing its key deficiencies are clearly visible.

1. critical supplies produced in countries where, due to sudden and new political issues, can be completely cut off (masks, pharmaceuticals, precious metals..)

2. New diseases, originating from long-lived cultural practices in different countries, can rapidly spread across the entire globe. No proper functioning body (WHO), unfettered by politics, willing to sound an early alarm or even investigate the origins of the pandemic so as to prevent its recurrence. Hundreds of flights a day spread the contagio like wildfire. Reliance instead on accurate information put forth by our key partners. Questionable at best.

3. Many jobs and entire industries that used to have decent pay completely outsourced. Reliance on a very high level of immigration to service some of the very low paying jobs. Contributes to the inequity in our society.

Globalization will always be important, but there needs to be more critical thinking on what we must be producing locally for the national interest so that critical supply chains are not suddenly choked off by politics, epidemics, etc. No need to outsource everything to the lowest bidder. it is important to have trust in the politics
of the countries that we do most of our key trading with.

#204 Not So New Guy on 05.09.20 at 1:30 am

And through it all…

the help wanted sign at the 7-11 has never come down.

LOL!

#205 TrendIsYourFriend on 05.09.20 at 2:57 am

Kevin and Roial1,
go to granpa Gates and get your vaccine.. the heck, take 3, just in case..
you will be helluva protected and watch the rest of us who dont want it -die… our choice

#206 Not So New Guy on 05.09.20 at 3:04 am

#131 Howard on 05.08.20 at 6:19 pm

And are we really looking at practically indefinite mortgage deferrals? At this point Trudeau might as well come out and say that the government will pay everyone’s mortgage for them.

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With bankers laying people off, closing branches, and getting lots of free benefits from the government, the quarterly profits should be an eye-opener for many people.

It will be interesting to hear people call for cap gains taxes on housing while the banking cabal continue to rake in tens of billions in windfall, monopoly profits every quarter, good times OR bad

#207 Kevin on 05.09.20 at 4:05 am

@ Brian: We’ve come along way in Science and medical advance in the past two hundred years. Whatever happened to George Washington isn’t a good reason to reject present day medical expertise. It’s a terrible analogy.

Brian Bartley:
Reply to Kevin #28

When George Washington had the flu. They bled him three times (state of the art knowledge at the time). Last bleeding he died. I bet he wished he had not put his faith in the so called experts. No conspiracy man, just the facts man, just the facts.


@Vicky, the science shows vaccines are safe. Look at how measles and other diseases have been mitigated. Civil liberties need to be balanced with public safety, along with healthcare costs and resources. I don’t agree with your stance at all, it makes my blood boil, and there should be appropriate consequences if you choose not to vaccinate.


@Vicky
Vicky on 05.08.20 at 8:58 pm
Results on Question 12 re: a vaccine. WTF?

32% maybe and 11% no? What the hell is wrong with people to think this should be optional? Same thing for rubella, measles, mumps, DTaP, etc? I get freedom of choice and liberty, but public safety is critical too. I think we’re way too lax on forcing vaccinations, and forgetful of how much progress we’ve made against these deadly diseases. No vaccination, no public services is my take on it.

I’m disappointed in your readers, Garth.
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Ok Kevin, if you are such a believer in the vaccination please tell me who is going to pay me if I get injured after vaccination. Canada has no compensation plan except Quebec and USA paid over 4 billion $$ for vaccine injury. You want people to take brand new vaccination (developed rapidly with very little testing) and if you get injured – you are on your own. Just remember: when there is a risk, there should be a choice.
I know it is not vaccination forum and Garth probably will say it but it boils my blood when I hear people like Kevin.

#208 Wrk.dover on 05.09.20 at 6:36 am

Another Garth Turner achievement:

Canada’s foremost virus site!

#209 mattbg on 05.09.20 at 7:25 am

Like everyone else, I don’t know what will happen. But on the idea that this isn’t structural: I get that the economy was running on a steady foundation before the pandemic kicked off, but how does 2 months of habit-breaking (and habit-forming) followed by a lower-volume, socially-distant world where many things have to cost 50% more to be viable not put the structure in question?

#210 binky barnes on 05.09.20 at 7:55 am

Just scrolled through the ‘comments’. Lots of divisiveness in seems (and even anger).

Not to worry folks, we have our ‘ace in the hole’ to get us through all of this. King Justin! Believe me, he knows exactly what he is doing–we will be awash in prosperity and unity in short order.

BB

#211 YouKnowWho on 05.09.20 at 8:19 am

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#212 James on 05.09.20 at 8:27 am

From another post “It will be interesting to hear people call for cap gains taxes on housing”

I am quite certain that is not how it will work.

It is too complicated to track buy and sell prices in order to define a capital gain (or loss).

Instead, I expect a real estate sales tax will be imposed on ALL property sales.

Thus, even if selling at a loss, tax will be collected.

CRA will have no need to try to track buy/sell prices over possibly decades of ownership or after an inheritance of property.

It will just be a tax…a percentage of the sell price.

The CRA already tracks buy/sell prices on residential real estate. For several years you have been obligated to declare same on your annual return. – Garth

#213 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.09.20 at 8:40 am

@204 yvr lurker-

Good post. People need to understand this:

Global trade is important and needs to continue. Globalism is a scourge on humanity and needs to be eliminated.

The trick is to know and understand the difference.

#214 Sail Away on 05.09.20 at 8:40 am

#200 Fused on 05.09.20 at 12:30 am
#109 Sail Away

What is your thoughts on Royal Nickel corporation.
Some of my holdings are AAL,USO, CCL, GE, SPCE, bought FLWS beginning of Feb. It was kind of a morbid play, but with the pandemic and no one allowed to attend funerals, I believed they would at least send flowers, and it is still moving up.

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I’ve tracked them for years to see if their nickel-cobalt operations would be profitable due to electric cars. My opinion is that their management continually seems to drive them down. They were in a death spiral last year when they miraculously hit a room of gold and shot up 10x.

Hard to say. They can pivot when needed. Their nickel and cobalt don’t seem to be going anywhere in Canada… probably as much the red tape as anything.

The gold mine company I hold is Alacer. They’re overpriced now, but may be worth putting on your watchlist.

#215 Sail Away on 05.09.20 at 8:54 am

#200 Fused on 05.09.20 at 12:30 am
#109 Sail Away

Some of my holdings are AAL,USO, CCL, GE, SPCE, bought FLWS beginning of Feb.

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You seem to like the contrarian plays? It can work out, but a strong stomach is needed.

#216 BrianT on 05.09.20 at 8:54 am

#160IHC-thanks for the MSM spin on how great globalization is-we haven’t heard that 24/7 for the last 30 years straight-like you say-everything gets cheaper and better like:
Housing NO
Education NO
Healthcare (Sickcare) NO
Taxation NO
Hydro bills, etc NO
etc etc etc

But we can get a good calculator for $1.25 so it all means we won. Jeez.

#217 BrianT on 05.09.20 at 9:04 am

A whiteout blizzard in Southern Ontario on May 9-yeah the planet is really boiling over-cue the MSM story that 2020 is the warmest year ever. Jeez.

Climate change does not mean everywhere gets hotter. Rather, it changes weather patterns. Maybe like this. – Garth

#218 Sail Away on 05.09.20 at 9:07 am

#158 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 7:36 pm
@ # 129 cottagers JUST STAY AWAY!

“It’ll be snowing everywhere up here within hours, people.

JUST STAY AWAY.”

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Is it me?
Or does your writing style seem an awful lot like Apocalypse2020
PREPARE!

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Funny the way Apocalypse went all to pieces over the Corvid. Pretty sure he’s locked away in his bunker for the duration.

You gotta watch those emotional types. They write something off the wall, then end up believing themselves.

#219 Ace Goodheart on 05.09.20 at 9:10 am

It looks to me like we are entering a shift from left wing political support to right wing.

Our society currently believes that government is the answer to all our problems, that money comes from the government, that private enterprise is risky and dangerous and bad for the environment. This is a sign of a society in decline.

Eventually you get to the end of the decline. At that point, government jobs become risky, low pay, unattractive and made fun of. People flock to private business as the creators of money and wealth. Government is distrusted. Seen as wasteful and interfering.

This is already happening in Alberta right now.

Sucking on the government teat is mind numbing and bad for your health. But sometimes it is necessary for a society to hit rock bottom before they can climb back up again.

#220 Wrk.dover on 05.09.20 at 9:17 am

Here is a gripe about running the show without brainstorming inputs.

Dear Leader decides the Snowbirds should buzz each Provincial Capitol.

Nice?

Well, how do they get from one city to the other?

Would it have strained his/her intellect to decide they should fly down the Trans Canada Highway system on a set schedule, so that every Canadian has a fighting chance of seeing them go by from their crossroad?

What would it have cost extra, to circle the coast of each Atlantic province while they were there, for those who have never seen or especially heard a dog fight jet, nor ever will have the opportunity?

So it goes with Ottawa and national interest decisions.

Over and over, no input from outside the blinders.

Yeah youngsters, blinders, ask Alexa.

#221 James on 05.09.20 at 9:25 am

The CRA already tracks buy/sell prices on residential real estate. For several years you have been obligated to declare same on your annual return. – Garth

Yup…since 2016 if I recall correctly.

But I doubt that it is done for the purpose of capital gains taxation. It has been required for quite a few years…and yet…no capital gains tax has been imposed on real estate transactions yet. So why is reporting buy/sell required?

Note that the reporting requirement only kicks in on the SELL. If I have been living in my house without change since 2016 the CRA has no idea what I paid. They only find out if/when I sell someday.

So what does the reporting accomplish other useful than to provide statistical information for planning purposes?

It seems to me that it would be far easier and much more profitable to impose a tax on all sales regardless of profit/loss.

For example, how can the CRA track my “cost” on the family home that was purchased in say 1985 that I inherited in say…2000 when I sell it next year? What is the attributed valuation (buy price) from when I inherited it? Or when it was purchased in 85 by my parents?

Without that hard number how can capital gains be assessed?

Also, with the current economic downturn it seems to me that if real estate prices drop capital losses will be incurred by some, perhaps many.

Would they get a free ride (no capital gains tax)?

Would they get a capital loss for taxation purpose?

Or will they simply be required to pay a sales tax regardless of the sell price?

Hmmm… which plan fills the government wallet better?

I guess we’ll see… soon I suspect.

#222 Anna on 05.09.20 at 9:31 am

No anti-Vaxxer here and I have all my other vaccines but I answered “maybe” to the question of whether I’d get a vaccine against coronavirus because any vaccine developed will be rushed through without long-term safety data available. As someone in an extremely low-risk group why take a vaccine that has not proven safe in the long-term for a disease that causes no to mild symptoms in most people? I would likely take that risk if I was over 70 or was 50 and had diabetes and hypertension though.

Because no pandemic vaccine would work when just a minority of people took it. This is society’s challenge. – Garth

#223 BrianT on 05.09.20 at 9:40 am

@218Garth-I have actually researched the temperature records for Southern Ontario (1927-2020) out of boredom-no objective observer would conclude warming has occurred in Southern Ontario-yet every warm spell is promoted as a sign of “Climate Change”. The MSM even says different species will thrive or decline here because of this-it is all nonsense.

Climate change is global. Get used to it. – Garth

#224 not 1st on 05.09.20 at 9:42 am

#189 Wiseguy on 05.08.20 at 10:53 pm
…I work with vaccines, and there are over 70 companies working on over 90 vaccines.
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And you don’t find it strange Bill Gates is funding every one?

If you work with vaccines you know what everyone knows, that the pace of mutation vastly outstrips the pace of research. These viruses have mutated before Ph2 trials can even begin. So that means squeezing our research window down to unsafe levels.

The flu vaccine is not the polio vaccine. Polio vaccines never gave anyone polio and you only needed one shot. There are tons of incidences of people getting sick right after the flu shot that’s only about 60% effective for last years mutations. Its the same reason we cant get a handle on the common cold either.

Give it up. The vaccine debate here is over. This Bill Gates-conspiracy stuff is just over the top. Go away. – Garth

#225 ArcticOutback on 05.09.20 at 9:55 am

Fantastic post today Garth.

Here is an article that nicely up the fears of many folks of our current Governments unaccountable spending.

‘It will go badly. Somewhere amid the billions, it will certainly go badly, as sure as you breathe. Bad people will skim money, good people will spend it badly, ordinary people will have their economic incentives wildly distorted. That’s not an argument for not doing it. It’s certainly an argument for resisting the urge to hide in the fine print and the delay and the loathsome Adam Vaughan mockery of legitimate questions.’

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/if-harrington-lake-is-everyones-house-then-ill-see-you-all-there/amp/?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

#226 Cottagers STAY THE HELL AWAY! on 05.09.20 at 9:58 am

This sign says it well:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/05/09/hope-for-snow-or-send-them-home-cottage-countrys-year-round-residents-look-to-a-long-weekend-with-the-pandemic.html

COTTAGERS PICK A HOME AND STAY PLEASE STOP TRAVELLING

In front of the station of some of our beloved first responders trying to keep us all safe.

Please just stay away. Don’t be a selfish southern hillbilly.

Please.

#227 Dharma Bum on 05.09.20 at 9:58 am

People oughtta be free to do whatever they want, within some semblance of reasonable behaviour and common sense.

These poorly conceived government “one-size-fits-all” policies, programs, and regulations are not the solution.

The economy will begin opening up one store at a time, one restaurant at a time, one office at a time, one salon at a time, and each type of business will make safety arrangements and take precautions as befits the nature of their respective environments and circumstances.

The government’s attempt to paint everything and everyone with the same brush is futile and regressive.

Government now needs to back off, and let the people make decisions for themselves, under a broad set of basic health and safety guidelines.

We are heading down a slippery slope by giving up our free will to the ignorance and power grabbing tendencies of our ultimately ill intentioned so-called “liberal” government.

The government doesn’t give a damn about your health. If they cared one iota, they wouldn’t ban guns (an item that barely kills anyone at all in the grand scheme of things), they would ban cigarettes and junk food – items that regularly kill 20 percent of the Canadian population.

https://www.cancer.ca/en/about-us/for-media/media-releases/national/2017/cost-of-tobacco/?region=on

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4772793/

Free the people. We oughtta be able to take care of ourselves and make our own decisions, for better or worse.

#228 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.09.20 at 10:02 am

@#218 BrinyTea
“A whiteout blizzard in Southern Ontario on May 9-yeah the planet is really boiling over-cue the MSM story that 2020 is the warmest year ever. Jeez.”
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Ah yes, the denialists com scurrying out into the light to shriek “conspiracy” every time a freak storm dumps snow on an otherwise warm month.
I also remember a snow storm in June in the 1970’s in N.S. Freak storms are for freaks.
Well.
Vancouver is supposed to smash high temp. records this weekend. 28c today and warmer tomorrow.
We’re …. all…..doomed.
Time to wax the car……..
Gotta look good for the apocalypse.

#229 WillyT on 05.09.20 at 10:05 am

Because no pandemic vaccine would work when just a minority of people took it. This is society’s challenge. – Garth

#85 James on 05.08.20 at 4:40 pm

#230 Bytor the Snow Dog on 05.09.20 at 10:08 am

Read this:

https://windsorstar.com/health/sacrificed-in-the-name-of-covid-patients-tens-of-thousands-affected-by-surgery-cancellations/wcm/94dd5a6b-cb35-4f0c-95de-f9c4b93468f4/

Will these deaths be counted on the other side of the Covid balance sheet? Or do they not mater?

#231 dogman01 on 05.09.20 at 11:01 am

#182 YouKnowWho on 05.08.20 at 10:39 pm

Why are planes flying?

Have a look here: https://www.yvr.ca/en/passengers/flights/arriving-flights

Planes they be a flyin

#232 BillyBob on 05.09.20 at 11:45 am

#158 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 7:36 pm
@ # 129 cottagers JUST STAY AWAY!
“It’ll be snowing everywhere up here within hours, people.

JUST STAY AWAY.”

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Is it me?
Or does your writing style seem an awful lot like Apocalypse2020
PREPARE!

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I’m pretty sure it’s the “50 YEARS OF MAPLE LEAF INCOMPETENCE” guy. Lots of caps and shouting.

Seeing so many airplanes makes me happy for a couple reasons. The first is that it means people and things are still moving. And the second is that it seems to annoy YouKnowWho greatly. Win-win!

As to the brain trust that won’t take vaccines because they’re suspicious that they’ll be “rushed”. Too funny. Because in their infinite wisdom, y’know, their vast numbers of doctorates in microbiology and immunology they know better than the scientists throwing everything they have at the lengthy clinical trials that are the very reason a vaccine is taking so long to find and produce. M’ok then.

It’s like the Enlightenment never happened. Everyone gets to have their own version of science and believe whatever “feels” true lol.

Beautiful day here in London, 24C. G&T and then a snooze in the sun in the back garden – no complaints!

#233 Ronaldo on 05.09.20 at 1:15 pm

#183 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:41 pm
#132 Prairieboy43 on 05.08.20 at 6:20 pm

Good survey. I am surprised number scared recipients.

Canadians have weakened. Appears many Canadians wont go into the corners to get the puck.

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True. There are a few stalwarts, but most of you seem pretty wimpy. I mean good God, read some of MF’s posts.

You need more Americans here to strengthen the stock. Add a little hybrid vigour.
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I would not want most of these people in the same foxhole with me on the front lines if we were at war.