Whither us?

Charlie spotted an ad this week on Twitter, seeking a renter. The unit is a 350-foot nest in a giant downtown 416 tower, fully furnished since it used to be an Airbnb. Before the deluge. The key point: over the course of a month the rent ask has dropped seven times, from just below $2,000 down to $1,700. Still negotiable, I bet.

This is called disinflation. Maybe even deflation. Rent goes down. The tenant benefits. The mortgage payment, condo fees and insurance payments stay the same, killing the owner. Meanwhile the unit is likely falling in value, as dozens of similar ones come to market – also owned by a squad of unfortunates. Asset values fall. Debt does not. Liquidity rules.

What a world we’re in. Greyhound said it’s ending all bus routes in Canada. Vendors won’t take cash. This is hurting those at the lower end of the income spectrum. Now 33 million Americans are on pogey. Home Capital just set aside 674% more money to deal with bum loans. Yet stock markets on Bay Street and Wall Street have jumped 33% in the past six weeks. Friday morning we get the Mother of All Employment Reports showing the jobless rate in both countries is, like, 20%. 1930s stuff. We all knew it was coming.

Despite that, oil has leapt back from the grave. Canadian crude has inflated dramatically. But big guys like Suncor are in serious trouble. So is Alberta. The office vacancy rate in Calgary will be 40% by the time we hit bottom. Meanwhile investors have seen their portfolios improve as governments and central banks pour historic rivers of money into the economy and capital markets. Yup – the gap between the afflicted (female hospitality workers are most impacted so far) and the immune (you know who) has widened, because of the virus and our response to it. This is not great for society, but it was an inevitable result. The suffering is far from equal.

The next few months will be critical in shaping the years after that. Will we be going back into offices? Will the malls open? Will Westjet survive? Or Disney? Or the pub down the street? Or Trump?

Polls widely show citizens have had the crap scared out of them by the media, public health officials, politicians and wall-to-wall virus talk on every social media channel. The reaction to Covid, rather than the bug itself, is now our challenge. Are stock markets signaling the pandemic will pass and the economy restored? Or are they on a sugar-high, thanks to CBs and irresponsible government spending? Public opinion has never been so critical to a civilization’s outcome, as this is the first economy 70% driven by household spending.

So today we’re going to probe and prod the Greater Fool Nation. Whither us?

Results tomorrow.


Survey period has now closed.

269 comments ↓

#1 YouKnowWho on 05.07.20 at 1:47 pm

Humans not being able to touch Humans? It is the reality.

In our continuing series about touch, it is time The Boss made an appearance. I give you Bruce Springsteen, Human Touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cNRQo1m3A

#2 AGuyInVancouver on 05.07.20 at 1:51 pm

I see your 350 sq/ft Toronto abode and raise you this:

Someone is renting ‘not quite a cupboard’ as a ‘Harry Potter private room’ in Vancouver
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/someone-is-renting-not-quite-a-cupboard-as-a-harry-potter-private-room-in-vancouver-1.4923960

#3 forgotmyusername on 05.07.20 at 1:52 pm

Interesting poll, I look forward to seeing the results. Some of the Q’s didn’t fit my situation (retired).

Thanks for all you do, Garth. It’s a lot of work. Your blog doesn’t always get the appreciation it deserves.

#4 Ballingsford on 05.07.20 at 1:52 pm

Alphabet’s Sidewalk Labs dropping Toronto’s Quayside Project. That’s significant don’t you think?!?!

#5 Steven Nicolle on 05.07.20 at 1:55 pm

I am on disability with cancer but my wife works as a waiter. Oh boy! With limited seating many businesses are not going to make it who run a restaurant.

#6 Attrition on 05.07.20 at 1:59 pm

Literally, as I was reading this post, got an email from a buddy:

“You know how we’ve been hoping to find a house? Well, we’ve finally made an offer on one, but there are a few deficiencies in the inspection report. Could you have a look and let us know what you think?”

Of course I can. I’m that kinda guy. I help people out.

Anyway, they’re condo dwellers, bought their current pad about 4 years ago. Not sure if they’ve sold it or what. Unlikely they’d rent it out – not their thing. Very kind ppl. Not slumlord material.

As for their pending home purchase, I say good timing–though I know Garth and others will disagree.

But I think people forget that sadly, most of the wrinklies and a vast and (more sadly) growing millennial cohort from across the frozen, flat and forgettable wasteland of TRoC want to relocate to this sunny, warm, insular and insulated west coast island paradise-cum-homeless-encampment.

For some reason. I guess it’s the lack of snow and the mayor’s penchant for revisionist history and statue-sawing.

Regardless, anyone who wants to buy a house and who was going to anyway is really going to want to now.

Buyers market + lower rates + greasy condo air + a growing desire to garden = either “Up She Goes!” or at least “Level as She Goes!”.

Sorry Garth, but none of the newly/permanently unemployed baristas, trendy taco benders, car rental company clerks and the like were going to be buying houses anytime soon. They’re unemployment doesn’t matter to real estate.

And anyway, soon they’re going to be too busy labouring on our farms to dream about home ownership.

#7 Figure it Out on 05.07.20 at 2:00 pm

I love these polls. They show how far removed this blog’s readers are from the mainstream.

But it isn’t perfect. One has to synthesize a view of the consensus answers to these. A lot of research! Maybe just copy Leger’s, or Public Square Research’s questions sometimes, then we’ll have a baseline to compare to.

#8 conan on 05.07.20 at 2:01 pm

I think the boxes in the sky condos, especially in the older building, are going to crater in price. 40%, maybe more.
And it is going to be fast.

#9 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 2:01 pm

So far….COVID free if don’t inhale

#10 Grunt on 05.07.20 at 2:01 pm

Sad about Greyhound. I walk past the maintenance depot at Saulter & Lakeshore E on my way to work. The place has been like a morgue past few weeks. I miss all the bright, cheerful faces I used to pass there.

#11 Figure it Out on 05.07.20 at 2:02 pm

“Just the flu.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

#12 yvr_lurker on 05.07.20 at 2:09 pm

In provinces that can do it (everywhere I think except Montreal), they need to open up the economy but in a careful way. When the virus returns this fall, as many expect it will, there will be no option to shut everything down again as there will not be another 200Billion to pass out. Moreover, if outbreaks start occuring again this fall, and at the same time politicians and the masses are told that the vaccine is much harder to develop than anticipated is when the SHTF. If this comes to pass we are collectively &*^&^^ and my prediction is that the market will tank big time. The next 6–8 months is key for the what the next 5–10 years will bring.

#13 Jeff on 05.07.20 at 2:09 pm

I’m eager to see the results !

#14 dgb on 05.07.20 at 2:16 pm

I am retired…some questions, I have an opimion on and others do not pertain to my situation…should I respond with the survey or leave it to those who work…???

Answer what pertains to you. Or lie. – Garth

#15 Caledondave on 05.07.20 at 2:19 pm

Good questionnaire except results may be skewed since a lot of us are retired like forgotmyusername and myself. Maybe add one more question to it?

#16 Howard on 05.07.20 at 2:20 pm

I think the condo mentioned above is the same one I highlighted a few days ago:

https://www.bungol.ca/map/43.641003&-79.383852&17?listing=14-york-street-toronto-c4737765-4089930

Any bets on what price this desperate owner gets, and when?

It is NOT the lowest priced rental unit currently offered in that building by the way.

Owner paid $450K for it in 2018.

#17 Linda on 05.07.20 at 2:21 pm

Will be looking forward to the answers from today’s survey. My take is that we will need to come up with a plan for any future pandemic responses that does not involve our shutting down our economy & borrowing billions. Frankly we can’t afford it. Back in the ‘good old days’ when there was no social safety net & the Spanish Flu was raging, the world coped even as actual millions died. If our civilization was able to cope back then without all the advantages we enjoy as a society today, why is it that we seem to be unable to do the same?

#18 Howard on 05.07.20 at 2:26 pm

Here in France, Monday will mark the beginning of a gradual (VERY gradual…) return to normalcy. Primary school students will return to class in most parts of the country, certain businesses will reopen (not restaurants/bars though). Large gathering events and festivals remain banned, likely until next summer.

And, praise Dog, barbers will reopen next week too.

Email sent from the company president. We are being asked to continue working from home at least until the end of June and possibly until September.

#19 Dominoes Lining Up on 05.07.20 at 2:35 pm

Pure speculation, but I do think as Garth says there may be a ‘bull trap’ over the next six months, with good chances for people to sell. Houses and condos.

Tiny downtown glass bubble condos – forget it.

But I am intrigued by what may happen to bigger, older condos, in the suburbs.

A 2 or 3 bedroom old school unit near the DVP or 401 or 427 with 1000+ square feet, big private balcony, good stairwell and multiple elevators, underground parking, built in the era from late 1960s to 1980s could be popular, especially with retiring couples. Plus it wasn’t until the early 1990s that all such buildings started to have internal a/c and air circulation, so the sweet spot of 1970s construction could be very attractive for that reason for people afraid of germs, more privacy in airflow. Look for a/c units in the windows, I guess, for these buildings.

Don’t be surprised if we see new ‘specialists’ in ‘covid-safe’ real estate marketing soon to try to address buyers’ fears.

#20 Tony Hladun on 05.07.20 at 2:36 pm

Interesting poll, but you’ll get answers in the way you pose the questions. For example, sure our governments didn’t act quickly enough but, more importantly, they largely reacted incorrectly. Read this https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/canada-quebec-elder-care-homes-coronavirus-hotspots-200423214537289.html and you’ll see we took the most vulnerable people, left them concentrated in care homes and then largely abandoned them and their caregivers. Political correctness doesn’t allow targeting/profiling but that’s what we needed to do here. We needed to test people over 70, their caregivers, get them out if they tested positive and we needed reserve resources to maintain care-giving.

#21 Dave on 05.07.20 at 2:37 pm

Regarding Restaurants – will do take out. No sitting and dining for a long time

#22 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 2:43 pm

Out in the glacial till of the Southern Ontario badlands, we call a 350sf steel box – a garden shed.

I think about what would drive a dude to relinquish all pretence of dignity and self worth, and succumb to paying near 2 grand to live in something like that. The ladies must be beating down his door. All his buds must think he’s da Man. His parents must be so proud.

350sf of airborne steel box. Well, I guess renting it sure as hell beats owning the thing – what an embarrassment that would be!

#23 just a dude on 05.07.20 at 2:48 pm

Garth, look forward to seeing your poll results tomorrow.

Blog dogs might be interested in reading the following analysis by Oxford University’s Center for Evidence-Based Medicine:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

#24 Long-Time Lurker on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

>”Mars River… wider than a mile…
I’m crossing you in style someday….”

(Dedicated to Elon Musk!)

‘Extra-terrestrial equivalent of the Rhine’: Astronomers uncover first evidence of a major RIVER on Mars that flowed across the surface of the Red Planet 3.7 BILLION years ago

-Astronomers studied a 650ft cliff face in a crater on the surface of Mars
-It had marks which revealed a river flowed there around 3.7billion years ago
-It is unknown how long the river was but it was several metres deep and existed for around 100,000 years

By JOE PINKSTONE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:01 EDT, 5 May 2020 | UPDATED: 11:43 EDT, 5 May 2020

Astronomers have uncovered the first evidence ever of a river on Mars which flowed across the red planet for more than 100,000 years.

Permanent marks left behind in exposed cliff faces more than 650ft (200m) high reveal the river was a deep, fast-flowing torrent of water which existed year-round.

It proves Mars had abundant liquid water and a stable atmosphere capable of supporting life around 3.7billion years ago, when the solar system was in its infancy.

Researchers from the University of Utrecht looked at high-resolution images from orbiters circling the planet and found evidence of the river.

It is believed the river was constantly shifting and creating sandbanks similar to the Rhine, or other rivers in Northern Italy.

The large cliff face, located at a place called at Izola Mensa in the northwestern rim of the Hellas Basin in Mars’s southern hemisphere, painted the picture of the river….

…Dr Salese says: ‘The study demonstrates sustained river deposition on Mars 3.7 billion years ago.

‘Such perennially flowing rivers would require an environment capable of maintaining large volumes of water for extensive time-periods, and almost certainly necessitated a precipitation-driven hydrological cycle.

‘More in line with slower climatic change, and less in line with catastrophic hydrologic events.

‘This kind of evidence, of a long-lived watery landscape, is crucial in our search for ancient life on the planet.’….

Moon River – Andy Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jgIezosVA

#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage. The best areas are last summer’s wildfires, so it’s looking like BC’s Osoyoos/Oliver areas might be ok.

Tough to know, though. It’s always a crapshoot as to whether the mushrooms will be there or not. Luckily, there are big trout in all the lakes and this is the time to catch them. So… wife, tipi, canoe, dogs, buddies… off to fish and forage soon. Let’s make it a week-long party. any BC-ers want to join?

#26 RQC on 05.07.20 at 2:51 pm

No weekly call this week on http://www.turnerinvestments.ca/WeeklyCall.htm
?

Coming. Regulators are not quick. – Garth

#27 Sam Smillie on 05.07.20 at 2:55 pm

While I applaude you for polling your readers Garth you should try to tap someone with a background in survey design to lend a hand. You would get more compelling results and be able to provide storonger insights to your readers.

Also would love to hear a more holistic analysis of the mechanisms by which the feds and cb are trying to pump life back into the economy. While the outcome of shareholders being rescued while average people struggle to find work may have been inevitable as you say, the details of how our governments choose to prop up businesses and individuals and where the balance lies seems to be right up your alley.

Many thanks – sam

#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

Of the motivators fear and greed, fear is the strongest. Finance types know this.

The government and media have scared the crap out of society. This is true. Even if you are not scared, understand that most people are. Usually governments know that people spook easily – and during crises say “everything is under control, nothing to see here, don’t panic”. This time they the exact opposite – the equivalent of shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre.

I observe it in myself, and I think I am pretty non-emotional and self aware. It is very difficult to ratchet down the fear level from “Red-Alert” to something more like orange or yellow.

Earlier on I thought there would be pent up demand unleashed after restrictions are lifted. I don;t believe that anymore. On a local Facebook group, a restaurant did an informal poll on whether people would feel comfortable dining in when they are allowed to re-open (May 14). Only 2 out of about 40 responses said they would eat-in. All the others are too scared – a 95% drop in willingness to eat at a restaurant. That is the new reality.

It will be a long, long time before people shake off the fear. The government and media did too good of a job. Some industries with just have to adapt or die. (ie. air travel, restaurants, movie theatres and sports arenas.) Home delivery will reign. Drive in theatres will make a comeback. So will drive-in dining. There will be a boom in cabinetmakers renovating open restaurants areas into bubble-booths, complete with a run on plexiglass separators.

It will take a long time for the fear to disappear.

#29 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 3:06 pm

#19 Dominoes Lining Up on 05.07.20 at 2:35 pm
Pure speculation, but I do think as Garth says there may be a ‘bull trap’ over the next six months, with good chances for people to sell. Houses and condos.

Tiny downtown glass bubble condos – forget it.

But I am intrigued by what may happen to bigger, older condos, in the suburbs.

==================

Yes….good points.
The massive densities achieved in cities will be a liability. Local Gov’ts got stupid and greedy…look at City of Vancouver on edge of bankruptcy. As I noted before….a huge swath of hi rise condos are being built in Metro Vancouver….but will purchasers complete sales ?

In city cores…local businesses are shuttered, many will never reopen, crime will ramp up.

Low rise stratas outside the downtown areas will be far more attractive.

Everything will be based on counter-intuitive(…such as rapid transit will not longer have olde ridership numbers …..based on fear porn and social distancing).

#30 Mattl on 05.07.20 at 3:11 pm

I have been WFH for years and get a kick out of people claiming that office based work is more productive. My experience working in an office is the amount of water cooler talk, leaving to beat traffic, coffee with your buddies far outweighs any productivity gains that you get from being close to colleagues.

Some people definitely need to work from an office, they don’t have the discipline required to work from home. I wouldn’t want those people on my team, they are not productive anywhere.

Where it gets grey is around proper work space. You need a purpose built space to do real WFH. That includes space for a proper desk and chair, a docking station, and dual monitors. You can’t work properly long term from the kitchen table, or off the couch/coffee table.

Most of my team is WFH today but I plan on keeping the rest of the group home permanently when COVID ends. Subject to a review of their space.

#31 jack on 05.07.20 at 3:14 pm

I really hope the 6 foot social distancing guideline is respected after the pandemic is all over. I’m enjoying my elbow room and am comforted by the fact that my pocket won’t be picked.

If they’d only do this on airlines. I estimated that a typical 737-800 could carry 20 passengers with 6 foot distancing. Based on a domestic ticket price of $500 with a normal passenger load of 184 people that works out to about $5k per seat. Can’t beat the leg room though!

#32 Jeff In Vic on 05.07.20 at 3:14 pm

BC Opening Up Economy:

MID-MAY:
• Restoration of health services including elective surgeries, dentistry, physiotherapy, registered massage therapy, chiropractors, physical therapy and speech therapy.
• Retail sector.
• Hair salons, barbers and other personal service establishments.
• In-per son counselling.
• Restaurants, cafés, pubs, as long as there is sufficient distancing.
• Museums, art galleries, libraries.
• Office-based work sites.
• Recreation and sports.
• Parks, beaches and outdoor spaces.
• Transit services.
• Child care.

JUNE:
• Hotels and resorts.
• Some overnight camping in parks.
• Film industry, beginning with domestic productions, in June and July.

JULY:
• Movies and symphony, but not large concerts.

SEPTEMBER:
• Post-secondary education, with a mix of on line and in-class.
• Kindergarten to Grade 12.

TO BE DETERMINED:
• Night clubs, casinos and bars.
• Large gatherings; crowds of 50 or more are currently not allowed.
• Conventions.
• Professional sports and con certs with live audiences.
• International tourism.

#33 FreeBird on 05.07.20 at 3:14 pm

Re poll next time maybe add:

1. Have you or anyone you know actually tested positive for COVID19? Did you/they see verified lab results? (so far none have been shown.)

2. If they did test positive what age and were the symptoms mild or severe?

3. Has your family MD seen a verified positive lab test for COVID19? (mine hasn’t and works through a large teaching hospital).

My point is to ask questions and not just take any source of info at face value. Agreed with my body my choice. I’ve said it often over any future vaccine or drug/treatment… period. It’s one our last basic personal freedoms of autonomy and self determination. Will not go willingly or by civic guilt. Neither will my husband.

#34 Heading to the Cottage! on 05.07.20 at 3:18 pm

Weather is nice… I pack the family and head out to the cottage early! Woot! :D

#35 Retro Marxist on 05.07.20 at 3:22 pm

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#36 jack on 05.07.20 at 3:23 pm

Re: $6 Attrition on 05.07.20 at 1:59 pm

“Sorry Garth, but none of the newly/permanently unemployed baristas, trendy taco benders, car rental company clerks and the like were going to be buying houses anytime soon. They’re unemployment doesn’t matter to real estate.”

You’re not considering the domino effect. Those unemployed baristas and restaurant workers work for companies who buy goods such as food, furniture, decor, sanitary supplies, etc. When they stop buying those goods, the companies who supply them lay off workers and many of these workers are well paid. My wife worked for Sysco and got laid off because of the pandemic and the massive reduction in orders – she made a decent amount – $80k. I’m sure there are many other examples, including companies who specialize in restaurant renovations for example. The owners would definitely be in a position to buy a house … even in Toronto.

#37 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 3:25 pm

#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

It will take a long time for the fear to disappear.

————-

Haha- nope. At this point, it’s totally a first-world discretionary decision. Not true fear by any means. More an ideal.

I’d wager that virtually nobody in the western world has involuntarily gone without food. If food runs out, this thing you think is fear will vanish like the dew on a buttercup.

#38 Blog Bunny on 05.07.20 at 3:30 pm

I love the ”my body, my choice” option. Now it is our turn to turn the tables on the culture of death.

#39 FreeBird on 05.07.20 at 3:32 pm

#11 Figure it Out on 05.07.20 at 2:02 pm
“Just the flu.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/
———————
Thx for posting. Seems like convoluted reasoning but maybe part of pressure/justifying new vaccine or digital contact tracing? No definitive proof having been infected either protects or not. If you’re past a contagious phase (for any virus/bacterial infection) and test neg with lab results as proof what’s the danger to others? Better chance of building immunity if anything. For me, if my life is threatened and choice was military/police officers who may have contacted virus (or new mutation of it) in the past or no protection I’d choose my safety. My body. My choice.

#40 Edmonton Dave on 05.07.20 at 3:48 pm

Hi Garth and fellow blog dogs. Interesting as always, and relevant. There are two types of people, and I’m in the first group. Open up the economy and get on with life. It’s the flu, protect the elderly and vulnerable, know the risks and get back on our feet. I’ll be in my favourite B.C. resort the minute it opens back up, happily supporting the hospitality/tourism industry.
Then there are the others. Those paid more to stay home than working, and those that believe this virus is special. Brainwashed by CNN, I don’t know ? But they are prepping for the “second wave”. Crazy.
I’m very fortunate to have no debts, and paper assets. I feel sorry for those that truly want to work but cannot. Our economy is circling the drain.

#41 What Just Happened ? on 05.07.20 at 3:50 pm

Starting to feel like 1980 – 1981 all over again. Super High Interest Rates. The Seniors are going to love it. Finally some healthy returns instead of subsidizing wannabe millennials and genzees who don’t have a pot to piss in but want to keep borrowing other peoples hard earned and saved cash. Finally the Boomers are setting the banks and politicians straight. Pay us or lose us. No Soup For You!

#42 Andrew on 05.07.20 at 3:54 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-07/paul-tudor-jones-buys-bitcoin-says-he-s-reminded-of-gold-in-70s

The ants come marching one by one…hurrah hurrah

#43 tkid on 05.07.20 at 3:54 pm

They paid $450,000 for 350 sq ft? No ensuite laundry? Building located miles from anywhere fun? And they want $1700 a month in rent?

Crazy.

#44 Ustabe on 05.07.20 at 3:58 pm

#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage. The best areas are last summer’s wildfires, so it’s looking like BC’s Osoyoos/Oliver areas might be ok.

I’m more than a little involved in the Fall Chanterelle season on the Island. The two bush rats I’m partnered with do the buying then we clean, pack and ship to brokers in LA. Then I suspect its sold into the European market at great markup.

Tried for morels once…between pickers cutting them wrong, too many old spongy ones turning up and them not withstanding the pack/ship routine we bailed and now stick with what we know.

Anyway, long way around getting to: find a recipe for Welsh Rarebit. Old cheese on toast thing. Now do Chanterelle Rarebit or Morel Rarebit.

Now that is good eating that most of these McD’s value menu consumers will never know, eh?

#45 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 3:59 pm

Doing some pub/restaurant math:

If we have social distancing of 6 ft…in a pub restaurant setting, that effectively becomes a 6 ft. radius does it not ?(as opposed to line ups to enter grocery stores etc.)

( Or simply say 12 ft X 12 ft bubble area per person )

If so….bad news…re: seating capacity and economic viability

#46 Leigh on 05.07.20 at 4:00 pm

JP says it the best here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUAG6t5aN8&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR33ZqdYB3KX7ewf5cWU7YVt92yUS81jJcOwzFluEN5T8W0R-_1nHv4IhHA

#47 FO on 05.07.20 at 4:00 pm

My response to survey will be skewed – as I am in a large post lockdown Asian country.

Observations – offices are open, some IT equipment shortages (difficult finding webcams and delays on laptops), a lot of people going back to old habits (though being more careful with money), mall traffic gradually picking up, most people wear masks, good luck finding a seat in local restaurants at noon (many packed) while expat centric bars/restaurants are closing as their core clientele is unable to return after fleeing, and almost all of the classes at my local gym are full and waitlisted out a week.

#48 PastThePeak on 05.07.20 at 4:01 pm

In terms of gov’t response, not many right answers to choose from there, so I will try to help you out:

1) Gov’ts completely reacted too slow & too late. They ignored the problem from early January until 2nd week of March. Did nothing to stockpile or increase PPE (gave it away in fact). Didn’t adjust travel from hotspots, do any checks on travellers, or manage quarantines in any fashion. Didn’t want to “stigmatize” Chinese people.

Complete opposite of countries that have done well, which learned from SARS (Canadian politicians have a short memory it seems).

2) Gov’t then completely panicked, not knowing what to do, changing their policy by the day, no coordination between provinces and feds. Completely wrong advice (don’t wear masks), no credibility.

At this point though, having done nothing prior, I don’t think a shutdown for a few (2-3) weeks to try break the exponential, was a bad idea.

3) Now they have taken the initial overreaction and doubled down. Having hit the original objective to “flatten the curve” (break exponential growth), and seeing that the deaths are way below model, it is *past time* to open the economy (in stages).

Some provinces, and parts of economy, should have been opened a couple weeks ago. No reason retail is not open just as grocery stores are.

I didn’t even get into the horrible financial response. Emergency benefits like CERB and payroll support should have been, at most, 2 months (not 4). Then maybe provide top-up to EI as necessary. Or wait and see. But to blow out $250B without knowing the scope was irresponsible beyond belief.

This virus is *much worse* than the flu (I have explained why many times) – but still, economy can’t be shut down, and other ways of dealing with it are required. It is called “thinking” – not gov’ts strong suit (nor most on this blog).

#49 MF on 05.07.20 at 4:04 pm

12 yvr_lurker on 05.07.20 a

You forgot that if/when a second wave comes in the fall, we will have bought time to develop some sort of treatment.

Actually that was the whole point of flattening the curve (which we seemed to have succeeded doing) in the first place.

MF

#50 MF on 05.07.20 at 4:07 pm

#41 What Just Happened ? on 05.07.20 at 3:50 pm

I’ll say it again, did millennials cause 2008? Did genzee?

I’ll wait for your answer.

MF

#51 Classical Liberal Millennial on 05.07.20 at 4:07 pm

#41
where are these high interest rates you speak of?

#52 TRUMP HAS COVID! (Coming Soon) on 05.07.20 at 4:08 pm

COVID has entered the White House, inches from Donald!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html

#53 Not So New Guy on 05.07.20 at 4:10 pm

The only big commercial thing I will be doing is getting a haircut but my hair person will be giving me at least a $100 haircut (if you include the tip) as a welcome back gift

#54 X on 05.07.20 at 4:10 pm

Tough to answer the one question, as I though the gov’t general reaction was overkill, however the reaction to closing airports and clamping down on long term care homes was too slow.

#55 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 4:18 pm

Now repeat after me…bwhahahahaha

” New Normal ”

” Social Distancing ”

” ______? Not till we have a vaccine ! “

#56 Jenn on 05.07.20 at 4:21 pm

I enjoyed the poll. I wish there was a fourth option to check for ‘was already working from home 100%’ prior to Covid. I work in Software. Now I have the hubby working mostly from home and two sons, ages 17 and 21. The eldest just came home from College and has no plans to try to find work. ‘Why work when I can make my needed $$$ on CERB’ he told us when he came home. I was surprised honestly at his response. I do think we need to start opening up this economy for the thousands whose livelihoods have been blown up. For us, we are some of the fortunate few who have seen our employment remain steady. We are saving a bit of cash not eating out or going to the movies. We are spending too much on food -what else is there to do other than garden? Anyway, love your blog Garth. How do I get my eldest son to get a blooming job? And my hubby’s company is already re-configuring their whole office layout to allow for future social distancing. The prior plan to have tons of cubes is now a whole new plan of spaced out stations.

#57 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 4:23 pm

#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm
Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage. The best areas are last summer’s wildfires, so it’s looking like BC’s Osoyoos/Oliver areas might be ok.

Tough to know, though. It’s always a crapshoot as to whether the mushrooms will be there or not. Luckily, there are big trout in all the lakes and this is the time to catch them. So… wife, tipi, canoe, dogs, buddies… off to fish and forage soon. Let’s make it a week-long party. any BC-ers want to join?
—-

Do you guys have giant puff balls out in BC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvatia_gigantea

I work with a guy who looks for these, he showed me a pic of a 30 lb’er he got one year. He says they’re quite tasty. Have to pick them young though, don’t want them near spore formation.

I occasionally see one when I’m out in the woods on the Griz, but so far have resisted the temptation to bring one home!

#58 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 4:25 pm

#38 Blog Bunny on 05.07.20 at 3:30 pm

I love the ”my body, my choice” option. Now it is our turn to turn the tables on the culture of death.

==================================

Intriguing development..it no longer is the monopoly of one gender.

Watch the OTHER gender increasingly chant this meme (albeit in baritone ).

Hey Bill Gates..is that a syringe in your pants or just happy to see us ???

#59 DaleFromCalgary on 05.07.20 at 4:26 pm

Re: “Vendors won’t take cash”

Safeway does in Calgary. Their self-checkout tills take bills and coins. I’ve never had any problems.

Lowe hardware stores prefer cards but if you say you don’t have any, they will grudgingly accept cash.

Cash will come back in small businesses for the convenience of avoiding the friendly folk at the CRA.

#60 Physicist on 05.07.20 at 4:31 pm

Lost…but not leased on your restaurant math..

It is a 3 foot radius, not 6, as the other person makes up the other 3 feet to give a total 6 feet distance between.

Not as bad as you made it out to be.

#61 Dolce Vita on 05.07.20 at 4:34 pm

What happens if they can’t create a vaccine that works?

What happens if the 2nd wave of C-19 mutates, some time this year, is more deadly and virulent than the current wave (like the Spanish flu)? or a 3rd wave (again, like the Spanish flu)?

-Debbie Downer

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I did try to warn Gov Canada first few days of March, they and other Canadians laughed it off and laughed at me, even here on this Blog (save Garth and a handful of his followers).

Who’s laughing now…eh?

Don’t laugh at Debbie Downer.

#62 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 4:35 pm

#44 Ustabe on 05.07.20 at 3:58 pm
#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage.

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I’m more than a little involved in the Fall Chanterelle season on the Island. The two bush rats I’m partnered with do the buying then we clean, pack and ship to brokers in LA. Then I suspect its sold into the European market at great markup.

Tried for morels once…between pickers cutting them wrong, too many old spongy ones turning up and them not withstanding the pack/ship routine we bailed and now stick with what we know.

Anyway, long way around getting to: find a recipe for Welsh Rarebit. Old cheese on toast thing. Now do Chanterelle Rarebit or Morel Rarebit.

Now that is good eating that most of these McD’s value menu consumers will never know, eh?

—————–

Yep. Great eating. Lots of mushrooms eaten in our house- one of the great things about being in the bush is that there are always mushrooms. A mesh bag lives in my pocket.

One of my bird dogs is trained for matsutake. He finds #1 buttons under 3″ of moss as a game. Think I’ll train the backup bird dog on morels if we get into them this year.

My season starts with morels, then high-elevation boletes, puffballs, chanterelles and pines in that order. Along with all the bycatch mushrooms like hedgehogs and cauliflowers, oysters, lobster, etc.

Love this time of year. The giant inland trout are gorging on chironomids and morels are popping.

The Corvid came a bit too early. Starting now would have been better for mushrooms. Hopefully the second coming shuts everything down for September October November bird season.

#63 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 4:43 pm

#57 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 4:23 pm

Re: Giant western puffballs

Yes! The moss-covered north facing slopes in the Chilcotin are perfect for these in September on wet years. Delicious. Especially cooked with bacon and onions. It’s hard to walk away from a field of hundreds with a single soccer-ball sized puffball, but hey, that’s enough!

#64 Oakville Sucks on 05.07.20 at 4:45 pm

Incomes and wealth effect won’t be a V-shaped recovery….so neither will be economy!

#65 Parksville Prankster on 05.07.20 at 4:51 pm

It was never about eliminating the virus; that just won’t happen until there’s a vaccine. It was about lightening the load on hospitals so that people don’t all show up at the same time, so that they could help more people, and to protect our most vulnerable members of society. The virus is like any other organism, just trying to get by and expand it’s reach, but it doesn’t have arms and legs, so it isn’t coming to get you, or banging on your door to be let in. The only way it gets from place to place, from person to person, is with the help of us. Give people some space, wash your damn hands, and stay home if you’re ill. Life will go on, as it has since the start. Viruses have been with us in one form or another since the beginning of time and they’ll be with us to the end.

It might be a little rough for a bit, but this isn’t 1943 Stalingrad, and we still have plenty of freedom and things to be thankful for.

#66 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 4:52 pm

We’re not quite sure where to look for mushrooms this spring.

We’ll just have to trust our morel compass.

#67 espressobob on 05.07.20 at 4:55 pm

Talking to many of my customers in the restaurant biz, let’s just say this ain’t pretty. Some will survive, that’s the good news.

This was a volatile industry long before covid. Hopefully over time new players will step in, actually they always do.

Opportunity presents itself when things are bleak.

#68 Do we have all the facts on 05.07.20 at 4:57 pm

Another one of my mother’s favourite sayings was “Better to be safe than sorry”

I fear that political leaders around the world reacted to initial estimates of possible deaths from the Covid 19 virus offered by the World Health Organization and decided that extreme measures were required to curtail its spread.

In order to justify their claim that a major world wide pandemic was occurring the WHO amended their ICD 10 classifications by adding UO7.1 Covid 19 and UO7.2 Covid 19.

The WHO instructed health agencies around the world to use UO7.1 when a Laboratory test confirmed that the Covid 19 virus was the primary cause of death and to use UO7.2 when it was suspected that the Covid 19 virus contributed to the death.

We have learned that well over 95% of all deaths being attributed to the Covid 19 virus around the world involved individuals with at least one pre-existing medical issue that had compromised their natural immunity.

I think Canadians have a right to know how many of the 4,300 deaths being used to frighten us into accepting a continuation of the lockdown were coded UO7.1 and how many were coded UO7.2.

It would also be useful to be provided with a detailed summary indicating how many of the recorded deaths in Canada had one or more pre-existing health concerns that might have contributed to a death that was coded under UO7.2.

Clearly all viral and bacterial infections jeopardize the health of citizens with compromised immune systems. I don’t think it unreasonable to provide all the facts to so that this pandemic can be placed into a historical framework to guide future decisions by our elected leaders.

#69 Dolce Vita on 05.07.20 at 5:02 pm

EU Update:

Weltanschauung – German Constitutional Court nixing ECB Coronavirus funding of some sort. Angela gives go ahead to Bundesliga…that will not go well (Hint: Italia with 1 case in early March, same time 45000 spectators in Milan to watch Atalanta vs. Valencia, Atalanta is Bergamo’s team…called the Viral Bomb after, oh ya, and Atalanta won).

UK butt hurt that they have the most deaths in Europe with no end in sight.

France, who knows what they’re up to after reading Macon’s daily Twitter feed? One thing for sure, the French are not happy with him.

Italia (the country everyone including Canada and the US laughed at…admit it you lying sacks of horse manure), and the above nations did as well now has after a Draconian Lockdown:

-More cured than cases.
-Cases dropping like a rock.
-All of 1333 ICU beds in the entire nation with C-19 patients and dropping daily.
-Most tests than any aforementioned Nation.
-At least 8MM back to work, more to come each Monday in May to near normal.
-The lowest R0 of developed populous nations including the Germans (that probably grates their butt, good). Only 1 Province in Canada to compare with on R0 to SK (MN soon) the rest too stupid to calculate it but opening their economy up. It will not go well. Range now from 0.19 to 0.73, population weighted average = 0.63.

And, Italia has only opened up a few card shops according to US and Cdn MSM TV networks.

It is with great amusement I read here the “how to open up an economy” musings by armchair quarterbacks…meanwhile, threadbare Gov Italia already doing it.

But no one will pay attention and that’s fine with me. I love to watch Natural Selection do its thing.

#70 No More Banking on 05.07.20 at 5:07 pm

I’m interested in your predictions around BeeMo’s plan:
“BMO says 80% of employees may switch to blended home-office work”
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bmo-says-80-of-employees-may-switch-to-blended-home-office-work-1.1431569

Is this the end for many bank branches? Are the massive line ups at the branches still open going to be the new normal?

Discussed previously. Branches are ultimately doomed. Banks don’t want real estate, but a web site and ATMs. – Garth

#71 r1200c on 05.07.20 at 5:09 pm

Question 5 is squewed… it should offer 3 choices, too much was done, got it right, not enough was done.

#72 Guy in Calgary on 05.07.20 at 5:18 pm

I am of the opinion that the initial response was absolutely appropriate as we did not know what we were dealing with. Now that we have a better understanding of the risks (which are low), we should start returning to normal. In fact, we probably should have resumed some semblance of normal earlier.

Whether we can or not people will start. We are not meant to be isolated.

#73 Nelson from The Simpsons on 05.07.20 at 5:18 pm

HA-HA! ECONOMY COLLAPSE! TORONTLO #WORLD CLASS CITY!

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/gf7vl4/sidewalk_labs_cancels_plan_to_build_hightech/

#74 Raj on 05.07.20 at 5:18 pm

Few things we shouldnt forget:
1) Humans have very short term memory, we forget everything. We WILL forget COVID, just like everything else.
2) Vaccine will come, or will not be needed, sooner or later & floodgates of hugs will open, Blackfriday crowds WILL return (hopefully not this year lol).
3) People will spend anything they have or can borrow (and Govts are working hard to ensure that)
4) Time heals everything, and in this digital age, it will do it even faster

#75 cramar on 05.07.20 at 5:22 pm

“Yet stock markets on Bay Street and Wall Street have jumped 33% in the past six weeks.”

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As far as the rally being up 33%, I’m wondering what Garth’s refined and respected guru Ryan r-e-a-l-l-y thinks?

I am an amateur technical analyst who uses several refined techniques to judge current market situations. There is a sophisticated, highly arcane technical term to describe the rally now from the March lows.

It looks “tired,” as in, “running out of steam” (another state-of-the-art engineering term).

#76 SeeB on 05.07.20 at 5:25 pm

Humans are really bad at conceptualizing large numbers. If we want to talk about how unequal things are getting, then some sense of scale is needed.

https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/?fbclid=IwAR0QBhL61a7CoGMesBjA1U2hQx2wpK9K4Kd0qcQMf4WbKLjU4OAS-KiYD-0

#77 calgary rip off on 05.07.20 at 5:25 pm

Thank you for your research.

I was talking with a cardiologist today. He thinks there is a possibility there may never be a vaccine. Some other doctors working with perfusionists(cardiac) think the same.

The media and the government have not handled CCP virus appropriately. Canada and USA shouldve been locked down in January but with appropriate business protections. You tube videos at that time showed the clotting disorders, seizures, and respiratory difficulties in China at that time. It is only recently that western media are overtly acknowledging this. Too late. Given that these videos at that time were available for the layperson why was cytokine storm not researched? Why was no cohesive plan made for patient treatment? Why are medical authorities not recommending vitamin C and D3 to flatten the curve?

The economy hasnt been handled correctly either. All these shutdowns are a killer. Stopping air travel was the key as was social distancing. Making people financially distraught wasnt the answer.

The real key to everything is stress management: Self talk and communication that preserves health, and is safe. Typically there is a 48 hour window after any event in which both the conscious and unconscious are affecting physiology. Given that this virus is out and about what is key is vigilance, but immune preservation by ignoring media hype inducing panic.

Vitamin D3 half life is 15 days. If you take too large a dose which uses up magnesium and anxiety results, wait a while but enjoy the lung protection that D3 affords. Vitamin C half life is about 12 hours. So D3 can be modulated more slowly, whereas Vitamin C is more immediate. Both these vitamins along with the hand washing and social distancing will flatten the curve.

Wish the medical authorities would do some reading on the tons of studies on D3 and C. If the studies say they dont work in acute cases likely the dosages were not high enough. In acute cases large doses of C and D3 act like drugs essentially. And although the vaccine is hopeful it is not here yet. All those people that are old or whoever should be on D3 and C, as much as they can handle. I have to lower my D3 a bit as the anxiety is creeping up from D3 again, so I will lower my evening dose to zero(4800 units every morning) until it subsides. Calcium is known to be an agonist of Vit D3 and C and as such I hypothesize that due to hard Calgary water perhaps this is why my body is declining slightly higher D3 intake.

Yes the oil price is up again. Probably necessary however doesnt make sense given that there are massive resources available. Then again if the price goes too low then obtaining any becomes a problem.

#78 Howard on 05.07.20 at 5:26 pm

This Sidewalk Labs project was fodder for much realtor propaganda several years ago. Buy a condo right beside Google!, sort of thing.

Well, the project just got axed.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2020/05/07/sidewalk-labs-pulling-out-of-quayside-project.html

#79 Lambchop on 05.07.20 at 5:35 pm

#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

Tough to know, though. It’s always a crapshoot as to whether the mushrooms will be there or not. Luckily, there are big trout in all the lakes and this is the time to catch them. So… wife, tipi, canoe, dogs, buddies… off to fish and forage soon. Let’s make it a week-long party. any BC-ers want to join?

_______________

Always in for a mushroom hunt

#80 uncle dave on 05.07.20 at 5:37 pm

https://youtu.be/QCrYqBjlEBA

Worth a watch ties in with the vaccine question.

#81 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 5:37 pm

#60 Physicist on 05.07.20 at 4:31 pm
Lost…but not leased on your restaurant math..

It is a 3 foot radius, not 6, as the other person makes up the other 3 feet to give a total 6 feet distance between.

Not as bad as you made it out to be.
======================

True…thanks for correction.

….but what will be the protocol if one goes to a pub/restaurant with another person ?

I can see this “social distancing” becoming such a bureaucratic nightmare for small business to the point this will be the final fiscal death throe.

#82 IslandLife4Me on 05.07.20 at 5:37 pm

Be gentle.

Our financial advisor, while not as chiseled as Garth and his Porsche-loving brethren, has been in the game awhile and has more letters after his name on his business card than I can recall. He has recommended Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources. The recommendation came just days before the 55% dividend was cut. As I understand it that seems like a prudent business move as it spares the shareholders and hopefully gives the business enough of a bandage to slow the bleeding.

We bought some of each about 6 days ago and are currently up. Is this way too risky or will Canada’s Suncor muddle through this mess and pick up some acquisitions along the way. Sounds as if JT will speak on the matter next week.

#83 SOMETHINGS UP on 05.07.20 at 5:38 pm

Our infrastructure has been built. Homes, buildings, streets, cars, beer stores, pot shops, etc…

We are the luckiest of all of modern society!!

What are you worried about??

They gonna kick 35 million people out into the streets.

PARTY ON!!!!!

#84 NFN_NLN on 05.07.20 at 5:39 pm

#1 YouKnowWho on 05.07.20 at 1:47 pm
Humans not being able to touch Humans? It is the reality.

Sandra Bullock futuristic sex scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_q-DhQwZog

#85 Dolce Vita on 05.07.20 at 5:40 pm

PS:

What happens when you begin to open up an economy when you haven’t a clue about what your R0 is (poor John Hopkins, few listening to them):

https://i.imgur.com/iw68BpD.jpg

…oh and ALSO that would be 8/10 Provinces that haven’t a clue of what their R0 is.

NB needs to close its borders, recall what happens when you let people from other Mary Mallon locations into your ‘hood.

My way of saying this reopening of the Cdn economy by most Provinces, it will not go well. Better to wait, calc an R0 and then decide. Italia with an R0 < 1.0 waited near 2 weeks before starting to reopen on Apr. 14th.

I guess they don't call it the Wild West for nothing.

#86 Joseph R. on 05.07.20 at 5:40 pm

#77 calgary rip off on 05.07.20 at 5:25 pm

You saw the wrong doctor. You should repeat your post to a psychiatrist.

#87 Asterix1 on 05.07.20 at 5:51 pm

You quickly realize how many people have destroyed their finances by scrolling House Sigma. Lots of tiny condos, paid max price, at max valuation. It was already going down before pandemic.

On top of that, good luck renting those unit! All amenities are closed in those condos. No pool, no gym, no bar, no nothing!

#88 Dolce Vita on 05.07.20 at 5:59 pm

PS, PS:

Also forgot that in Italia before Apr. 14th, many workplace protocols developed for factories, you name it, agreed to by Trade Unions, Business and Gov Health Ministry. R0 constantly being monitored.

End result, for example: no cases in meat and chicken processing plants like you have/had in AB and BC.

Heck, even barbershops and hair salons have strict workplace protocol rules to follow. The restaurants too on May 18 when they reopen, and so on, and so on.

I do not see this in Canada nor in the USA. No R0 and no real workplace protocol rules and regulations depending upon the industry. This laissez faire, minimum “rule” N. American attitude will come to no good end.

Why reopening their economies will not go well. Too many loose cannons on deck from what I see.

Laugh at me now again (recall how smug you all were in early March).

I trust Math and Mother Nature’s Natural Selection…so far, they have not let me down.

#89 Reality is stark on 05.07.20 at 6:02 pm

Everything is fine.
No one has been affected.
This whole thing is hype.
You will have a great future to look forward to even if you have no job prospects.
The CERB is permanent and the Canadian dollar has just become the world’s reserve currency.
Bottom line is if you are a young man who didn’t cut it to become a doctor or lawyer or computer science major you get to face reality.
There are few questions you are about to face. First one is where is the cash on the barrel head?
Second question is why don’t you have a secure government job with a big pension?
Next question is why isn’t your house paid for?
Good luck Ace.
The virus is your fault now what are you going to do about it?
They may not ask the questions directly but every single one of them expects you to have the answers.
Try to perform in an over-leveraged society filled with people with unrealistic expectations.
You are better off telling them to stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Best analogy I can give is remember what it was like trying to survive on the ice when your opponent was serious about trying to chop your head off.
Drop the gloves and get in as many shots as you can.
You’ll probably still go down hard but you’ll get some respect and hopefully you’ll break his jaw.

#90 Orange Man....Orange on 05.07.20 at 6:04 pm

#52 TRUMP HAS COVID! (Coming Soon) on 05.07.20 at 4:08 pm
COVID has entered the White House, inches from Donald!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No problem. He has #TrumpPills. All quiet at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

*Yawn*

#91 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 6:04 pm

#77 calgary rip off on 05.07.20 at 5:25 pm

Vitamin D3 half life is 15 days. If you take too large a dose which uses up magnesium and anxiety results, wait a while but enjoy the lung protection that D3 affords. Vitamin C half life is about 12 hours. So D3 can be modulated more slowly, whereas Vitamin C is more immediate. Both these vitamins along with the hand washing and social distancing will flatten the curve.

Wish the medical authorities would do some reading on the tons of studies on D3 and C. If the studies say they dont work in acute cases likely the dosages were not high enough. In acute cases large doses of C and D3 act like drugs essentially. And although the vaccine is hopeful it is not here yet. All those people that are old or whoever should be on D3 and C, as much as they can handle. I have to lower my D3 a bit as the anxiety is creeping up from D3 again, so I will lower my evening dose to zero(4800 units every morning) until it subsides. Calcium is known to be an agonist of Vit D3 and C and as such I hypothesize that due to hard Calgary water perhaps this is why my body is declining slightly higher D3 intake.

—————–

Here, let me save you lots of time and money:

Forget the potions, elixirs and powders. Eat a balanced diet. Exercise by doing useful things.

You’re welcome.

#92 kc on 05.07.20 at 6:05 pm

#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

On a local Facebook group, a restaurant did an informal poll on whether people would feel comfortable dining in when they are allowed to re-open (May 14). Only 2 out of about 40 responses said they would eat-in. All the others are too scared – a 95% drop in willingness to eat at a restaurant. That is the new reality.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I have to say something here. Being afraid is to be scared of being there.

As for me what I am more afraid of, or pissed off about is, being treated as a sub-par human. If it gets opened and I go into a restaurant and have to be herded like cattle with plexi glass and fake borders surrounding me from the servers and other ppl, why would I want to go there?

I walk out of stores that are spooked of my presence being there. I walk out of establishments that are afraid of me entering their stores. SCREW THEM!

new normal or not … time to take back our country.

#93 Yukon Elvis on 05.07.20 at 6:06 pm

I really really really wanna see the yet to be released federal budget and the forthcoming tax hikes. I really wanna see that.

#94 Nonplused on 05.07.20 at 6:06 pm

#11 Figure it Out on 05.07.20 at 2:02 pm
“Just the flu.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

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Either the military knows something about the virus and its effect on the body or about transmission after recovery that we don’t, or they will have to rescind this eventually. They are already having enough trouble with recruiting. A year from now about half the population will have had the virus. It isn’t going away anytime soon.

#95 Drinking on 05.07.20 at 6:07 pm

Hey Garth, should have added; should one get rid of their felines (Covid catchers); I would have voted “YES”, love my canines they chase away Felixes!

#96 Nonplused on 05.07.20 at 6:14 pm

#60 Physicist on 05.07.20 at 4:31 pm
Lost…but not leased on your restaurant math..

It is a 3 foot radius, not 6, as the other person makes up the other 3 feet to give a total 6 feet distance between.

Not as bad as you made it out to be.

——————————

Still hard to see how the waiter gets your food and drinks to your table. Is he going to throw them? Use some sort of clasping stick? Maybe they’ll get little robots to drive around with plates on their backs?

I see restaurants being unable to open for a long time. Aside from the physical difficulties, it’ll be tough to make the economics work if they are limited to 50% capacity. Most restaurants turn over about 3 times a day (lunch, early diner, and late diner) at best and they were barely making money before. Cut that back to what is essentially 1.5 turns a day and it won’t be profitable. And that is assuming anyone will come.

#97 Suburban Bob on 05.07.20 at 6:17 pm

Garth, about question #7 – I only wear a mask when I come to this comments section. How should I respond?

#98 Thought for the day on 05.07.20 at 6:22 pm

Just because they start to reopen stuff doesn’t mean it’s safe. What it means is that there is room at the ICU.

The “flattened curve” has just as much area under it as the “do nothing” curve, so same total number of cases in either scenario.

#99 Wrk.dover on 05.07.20 at 6:30 pm

THIS MUST STOP!

Someone named GIC deposited a couple hundred dollars in our joint account.

Totally unnecessary, our pension income unchanged, and cost of living way down, while under house arrest.

WTF Canada?

#100 jess on 05.07.20 at 6:34 pm

Ballingsford on 05.07.20 at 1:52 pm
not rlly…
Time to Build”— from VC to holding company

city of the future T.O. waterfront shelved by city labs although, ….
The Google vets, Jonathan Winer and Brian Barlow, are co-CEOs of a new holding company called Sidewalk Infrastructure Partnership (SIP for short) that is a spin-off of Alphabet’s cities-of-the-future arm, Sidewalk Labs. According to a securities filing, SIP has raised a Series A funding round of $400 million from Alphabet and investment giant, Ontario Teachers Pension Plan.
https://fortune.com/2020/05/07/alphabet-vets-infrastructure-funding-400-million/

#101 RyYYZ on 05.07.20 at 6:38 pm

Well, yesterday’s topic and comments were depressing AF. Apparently a mid-50s guy like me who takes responsibility for his own financial well-being and plans for the future and uncertainty, is just a fool and a sheep waiting to be fleeced in this country. We now live in a country where a majority apparently feel that nobody should ever have to suffer the consequences of their own poor judgement.

Unfortunately, unlike out wealthy overlords with their trust funds and offshore accounts carefully hidden away, there is scant way for me to shelter from the oncoming storm of tax grabs to pay for all their largess. I guess I could pick up and move to some less developed country where my money will go further and the government won’t pick my pocket on every thing. But then I lose out on government paid medical care. Anyway, most of my retirement fund is in RRSPs, so nearly impossible to keep the governments hooks off of.

I thought I was doing I was supposed to. Either I got bad advice so many years ago, or I’m just a sucker to have ever believed it. Apparently I should have spent and pissed away every cent I made as fast as I made it, and then borrowed lots more on top (especially in real estate). Why not, when the government is here to ensure you never suffer the consequences (and are, to be sure, also to blame for inflating the real estate bubble)?

#102 Paul on 05.07.20 at 6:41 pm

#34 Heading to the Cottage! on 05.07.20 at 3:18 pm
Weather is nice… I pack the family and head out to the cottage early! Woot! :D
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You selfish sob. wish I never sold mine. Have a great weekend. lol

#103 Editrix on 05.07.20 at 6:43 pm

The question about returning to work – if that is place of work, not back to work from unemployment, then I hope I can continue working from home most days.

My employer sent out a survey the other week asking how many days a week we’d like to work from home. I said 3 as my job requires some face to face interaction and I hate the TTC commute of an hour each way every day – it usually puts me in a foul mood most mornings. Reading between the lines, I can tell that my employer is wanting to reduce the office space leased, probably from 3 floors to 1.

#104 DFO on 05.07.20 at 6:43 pm

I love the ”my body, my choice” option. Now it is our turn to turn the tables on the culture of death.
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That’s fine, just bag your out-breath, and wipe the surfaces you touch with bleach. You live in a society, that supports you, and others, and until you leave to go on your private island in the pacific, you have a responsibility to others in the society that supports you.

#105 CL on 05.07.20 at 6:44 pm

I’m sure you have more information that us peasants could manage to gather but I watch the markets in Calgary…rental and residential real estate, and I know you’ve said Calgary is a basket case and with the state of the economy, this is how things should be. However, I don’t see any shift in the rental or real estate market. Landlords and property “owners” are acting like it’s still yesterday.

Maybe it’s too soon and acting is the keyword.

#106 PineapplesardinePizza on 05.07.20 at 6:45 pm

Answered in a manner I thought relevant…I work exclusively from home since pre-COVID and do not go to any office other than for Christmas parties, to shmooze, etc.

For those new to working from home, be careful on any compensation rearrangements, the math works way different between being 8 hours in an office on a salary and working from home at an hourly rate.

#107 Drinking on 05.07.20 at 6:51 pm

#74 Raj

You have some good points but how can humanity ever forget this. The corona virus is a virus as common as a cold but much worse. There are (according to many scientists) 30 plus strains circulating; there is NO CURE! It will evolve, the strongest will survive but people should be pissed, cannot blame it on the Chinese government itself; do your home work and see how many countries sponsored certain labs to play around with a Bat virus! It makes me so angry!! Chris Martenson has excellent videos on this; look it up on YouTube! My condolences to all that have lost loved ones to this stupid virus!

#108 jess on 05.07.20 at 6:54 pm

liar in chief pardons like likes like

and now the the general …not legit? inventive argument

#109 Anthony on 05.07.20 at 7:03 pm

“Yet stock markets on Bay Street and Wall Street have jumped 33%”-Garth

Because nobody loves handouts and welfare more than Bay and Wall Streets. Why no moralizing about this?

It’s clear to everyone now, the stock market and the economy are completely divorced from each other. It has nothing to do with being “forward looking” and everything to do with government stimulus, or welfare.

#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

#91Sail-no offense but you are totally ignorant on this subject-and as for “just eat your meat and potatoes” this isn’t 1940 when most doctors preferred Camels-it is 2020.

#111 Commenter on 05.07.20 at 7:09 pm

Facts:

1. No significant treatment or vaccine will be available this year (possibly never)
2. Fatality rate will be 0.25% of population (90% high pre-existing mortality ie. old)
3. Hospitalization rate 0.5% (ICU 0.15%) of population
4. Unless we have total isolation from one another for at least a month 2 and 3 are happening, just a matter of when and how fast
5. Total isolation is impossible
6. If 3 happens all at once many more will die so some sustainable form of reducing virus transmission is required
7. Current social distancing/economy shutdown not sustainable until vaccine available

Need to decide

#112 Armpit on 05.07.20 at 7:09 pm

When the VID is over – I see the following :

1. Money is printed.

2. Hyper Inflation

3. Low Interest rates close to 1 percent with strict borrowing rules. (Folks with Money have to Spend, or it gets devalued by inflation)

4. Cashless Society – Credit/Debit cards – E-transfers only.

5. The World will balance by itself (as Justin’s Budget statement).

Sounds Crazy…eh? But then, so is this World.

#113 GRG on 05.07.20 at 7:09 pm

All of us, including my partners and our staff are working from home. There’s no way it is as productive as the office. There’s just no way to compensate for the informal exchange of information that goes on at the office with Zoom, Skype or whatever.

I am fortunate as I have a good set up to work from at home, empty nesters, so space in the house to dedicate. I have trouble believing all the stories about “nobody going back to an office after this is over”. How the hell do younger people get anything done with their laptop perched on the edge of the kitchen counter and their pre-schooler demanding attention because Mommy is home?

Masses of people working from home? Does*not*seem*feasible.

#114 Blutterfy on 05.07.20 at 7:11 pm

Out of curiosity, what would happen to house prices if the mortgage rates returned to double digits come January? Would it be better to pay more for a house and lower interest rate or less with a high rate?

#115 jess on 05.07.20 at 7:13 pm

Humans have very short term memory, we forget everything. ”

please do not include me in your definition…unless you are referring to the certain humans and the quarterly…..
this https://www.cfainstitute.org/en/advocacy/issues/short-termism

$29,000,000,000,000: A Detailed Look at the Fed’s Bailout by Funding Facility and Recipient by James Felkerson University of Missouri–Kansas City December 2011

The plan to bail out Wall Street would be sold to the American people as a rescue of “Main Street.” It was critical, however, that all of the officials speaking to the media repeat the words “Main Street” over and over.

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/05/congress-sets-up-taxpayers-to-eat-454-billion-of-wall-streets-losses-where-is-the-outrage/

#116 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 7:16 pm

#92 kc on 05.07.20 at 6:05 pm
#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

On a local Facebook group, a restaurant did an informal poll on whether people would feel comfortable dining in when they are allowed to re-open (May 14). Only 2 out of about 40 responses said they would eat-in. All the others are too scared – a 95% drop in willingness to eat at a restaurant. That is the new reality.

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I have to say something here. Being afraid is to be scared of being there.

As for me what I am more afraid of, or pissed off about is, being treated as a sub-par human. If it gets opened and I go into a restaurant and have to be herded like cattle with plexi glass and fake borders surrounding me from the servers and other ppl, why would I want to go there?
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Well said:

WTF is the ” New Normal “…???

Pubs and restaurants are social occasions…you get to know the owner/s….the staff….ends up like one extended family. Nice to have a large group of strangers @ surrounding tables…its a nice vibe.

If the ” New Normal” is having ones intelligence continually insulted by pointy- headed bureaucrats and aparatchiks with illogical /irrational rules and regulations…sans a revolution… the future looks very very bleak.

****For the Record: I would have ZERO fear eating in.

#117 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:17 pm

#84 NFN_NLN on 05.07.20 at 5:39 pm

Ah Demolition Man..great movie.

Some say the last true macho tough guy action flick.

I still don’t know how to use the three seashells.

MF

#118 Fasa on 05.07.20 at 7:17 pm

The best teacher in life is experience which is why countries that were affected by SARs reacted quickly to address this issue and have done well.

The easy part was shutting things down…my biggest fear is what is our re-entry plan and how do we get people back to work when they are use to and comfortable staying at home and collecting funds our irresponsible government is handing out like candy.

The divide will grow that much is clear, the question is how much will the haves need to cough up in increased taxes to support the have nots.

To quote Andy Dufresne “Fear can hold you prisoner but hope can set you free”

#119 Leftover on 05.07.20 at 7:18 pm

#6 Attrition…wish I shared your sanguine view of Victoria real estate.

Guess it depends which end of the market. Friends of ours with a very nice shack for sale in Gonzales (≈ $2 million) have had exactly zero offers in 9 months.

Listed for less than assessed value. Agent starting to sweat. Nobody has any idea where the bottom is.

Friends’ intention is to go back to Alberta (!) where their kids are. Apparently Island life isn’t for everyone.

#120 YouKnowWho on 05.07.20 at 7:22 pm

#84 NFN_NLN

Good one!

Demolition Man is set in 2032. I guess we finally know why it ended up being that way, Wuhan Virus!

Sidebar, Demolition Man is one of my favourite pinball machines. Oh the ramps! “Jackpot!”

#121 Kat on 05.07.20 at 7:24 pm

I sell vintage and with all the markets put on hold I have some stuff I don’t want to hang onto for the next year. So I did a food drive with items being exchanged for non perishable items to go to charity. When we dropped of the boxes of food in our beat up old van we were surprised to see we had the oldest vehicle there. In line to get food was BMWs , Audi’s and pretty much new vehicles all in line to receive. We aren’t rich by any means but we have savings we are using right now and are not taking government money so to see people who have been living large having to get free food is troubling and sad to say the least.

#122 Northshore guy on 05.07.20 at 7:25 pm

“Greyhound said it’s ending all bus routes in Canada”

You say it like they are exiting Canada, any link? I couldn’t find this anywhere.
This is FP link saying it is temporary shutdown until demand returns.

https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/greyhound-canada-to-shut-down-temporarily-all-bus-routes-as-ridership-plunges

Bus routes ended as of next week. Temporary or permanent? Enlighten us. – Garth

#123 GRG on 05.07.20 at 7:28 pm

105 CL on 05.07.20 at 6:44 pm
I’m sure you have more information that us peasants could manage to gather but I watch the markets in Calgary…rental and residential real estate, and I know you’ve said Calgary is a basket case and with the state of the economy, this is how things should be. However, I don’t see any shift in the rental or real estate market. Landlords and property “owners” are acting like it’s still yesterday.

Maybe it’s too soon and acting is the keyword.
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Calgary is an interesting situation. Residential prices are “affordable” by Canadian standards. The city has a young workforce. It’s a comparatively new city, so the infrastructure actually works; really well. Health care is excellent, far better than B.C.

It has a slightly lower entitlement attitude than the south coast of B.C. and the inner city of Toronto, with an adequate streak of self sufficiency, volunteering and “can do’ism in the gene pool.

And despite the fact the economy has been on a downward slope since 2014, there has been a steady in-migration to the city.

Pooched? Maybe compared to government sponsored Ottawa. But the price of a concrete shoe box in the sky in the west end of my hometown of Vancouver will, in Calgary, buy you a decent SFD with a DMZ lawn buffer from the COVID carrying bubba, on the other side of the backyard fence, going on about the new gun ban (which is still better than being trapped in an elevator with a protester describing the latest impact from TransMountain on the orca pods in Burnaby). ;-)

#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm

#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

Re: Vitamins are hokum

#91Sail-no offense but you are totally ignorant on this subject-and as for “just eat your meat and potatoes” this isn’t 1940 when most doctors preferred Camels-it is 2020.

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Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.

But sure, pop those pills if you’ve evolved to need them.

#125 Cici on 05.07.20 at 7:33 pm

#17 Linda

I think you are right about this being a learning experience for future pandemics. The time is now to reorganize our economies somewhat to better ensure that they are agile when, not if, similar future events occur.

I believe we’re doing pretty good considering this is a first, and while letting millions starve or die may please the fiscally conservative, I think in the long run that would be more detrimental and damaging to the overall financial system.

The economy is much more complex than it was at the turn of the last century, and even before COVID there was a shortage of highly skilled workers in many sectors. This COVID experience has also taught us how essential many non-skilled workers are to the health of the greater economy and the well-being of the entire populace.

So, more work needs to be done on all those fronts, and in ensuring supply chains and a more equitable distribution of goods. (Hurray, toilet paper and flour are just finally starting to become more readily available.)

As to financial aid and benefits; both are essential in times like this to ensure that thing don’t crash and burn, but future goverments need to be more careful and responsible about who benefits, how and why. And they need to start saving/putting money asidefor this purpose. Thankfully, they are FINALLY starting to reward low-income earners who are putting themselves on the line to serve the populace instead of just creating incentives to encourage everyone to take a paid holiday.

Still, overall, I think our leaders (business and government) are doing an excellent job in the way they are handling this crisis. Lots of mistakes have been made but they’ve been reacting swiftly to overcome them and find solutions. I hope the progress continuesand that the recovery will be smooth, steady and lasting with minimal collateral damage.

#126 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:36 pm

#112 GRG on 05.07.20 at 7:09 pm

“Masses of people working from home? Does*not*seem*feasible.”

-Productivity is a individual thing. Some people do nothing in the office. Everyone I know who works from home loves it. Companies will love it too when they realize how much they save not having to pay rent, utilties, insurance, for cleaners, for maintenance and so on.

The world has been slowly moving in this direction for decades already. Originally, technology was the rate limiting factor. That changed about a decade ago. Recently it’s been business norms. the pandemic changed that now too.

People will still like to see each other and congregate. But more and more businesses will realize offices are not ideal. The cat’s out of the bag.

MF

#127 Lambchop on 05.07.20 at 7:39 pm

#96 Nonplused on 05.07.20 at 6:14 pm

Still hard to see how the waiter gets your food and drinks to your table. Is he going to throw them? Use some sort of clasping stick? Maybe they’ll get little robots to drive around with plates on their backs?

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Drones. You have to wear a helmet and safety glasses while dining.

#128 Elizabeth May Can't Do Math on 05.07.20 at 7:39 pm

Elizabeth May displayed her pathetic math skills today. If anyone has an example where the transition to renewables has not resulted in massively inflated hydro bills and grid instability and brownouts please post the link.

Renewables are not viable. Anyone who believes they are are Arts grads, Poli-Sci majors or Drama teachers/Fine Arts grads.

Anyone with a STEM background can do the math sees through the Green Crap.

Cheap and cynical smear job by Elizabeth May. All this while she just jumps in her red Dodge Viper and does a couple more hot laps around Nanaimo. Can anyone say 8mpg?

#129 not 1st on 05.07.20 at 7:41 pm

As you are at home with a lot of time on your hands, its a good time to ponder the great puzzling and gob smacking mysteries of all time.

Like why are we here, how did it all begin and who the h*ll are the group of voters who actually put crazy Liz May into parliament.

OMG is there anybody less qualified or less in touch with reality. I wish she would move to Haida Gwaii and disappear into nature.

#130 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:42 pm

#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm

“Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.”

-Actually it’s probably the opposite that’s true. If it tastes bad, it’s probably healthy.

MF

#131 Keen Reader on 05.07.20 at 7:47 pm

@87 Dolce Vita

Many large companies here (Bombardier, Airbus Canada and various suppliers) already implemented appropriate measures, in response to CV-19. The aviation world is especially vulnerable to the crisis and we get bombarded with mandated procedures and reminders, as we try to do our work. Only a small percentage can be in the facilities at one time, but distanciation in the cockpit is a bit difficult! Despite our large workforce, no one has been reported ill yet. There are also plenty of good examples in other “essential” services!

#132 Northshore guy on 05.07.20 at 7:55 pm

Bus routes ended as of next week. Temporary or permanent? Enlighten us. – Garth

Well if you trust them then on their website they clearly say it is temporary.

https://www.greyhound.ca/

My point is why accept it as permanent? I mean it is possible they may not come back at all but we don’t have any data as of today to support that

#133 Smoking Man on 05.07.20 at 7:56 pm

Haha.

Stock Market almost back to were it was pre+crash.

Oh well….

#134 gfd on 05.07.20 at 7:57 pm

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#135 Flop... on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

O.k so the government from back where I’m from is allowing gatherings of 10 people, as they start to loosen restrictions.

Here are 10 people on here I would currently like to have BBQ and a beer/beverage with, just have a laugh, see how they’re doing, or maybe just see wtf is up with them.

In no particular order…

Trackie

TurnerNation

Long Time Lurker.

Wrk.Dover

Steven Rowlandson

LP

Sold Out

NoName

Smartalox

Crowdie , you can come, but you have to shower, wear deodorant, and stay on the other side of the paddock.

Six feet is insufficient.

NoName, I think you’re a non-tubber too.

Same rules for you…

M45BC

#136 Tom from Mississauga on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

4. Working full time now (frozen food logistics)

#137 not 1st on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

Oil is not dead Blanchet, but Bombardier has been a zombie for 30 yrs. I would say that’s the industry that needs a swift euthanizing.

#138 Ustabe on 05.07.20 at 7:59 pm

#119 Leftover on 05.07.20 at 7:18 pm

#6 Attrition…wish I shared your sanguine view of Victoria real estate.

Guess it depends which end of the market. Friends of ours with a very nice shack for sale in Gonzales (≈ $2 million) have had exactly zero offers in 9 months.

Listed for less than assessed value. Agent starting to sweat. Nobody has any idea where the bottom is.

It would sell if it was listed at a realistic price for today, not based on yesterday’s barometer.

Anything sells if you really want to sell it.

#139 Drinking on 05.07.20 at 8:00 pm

Time for a breather for those of us that enjoyed the Pink Floyd errar; last concert of them playing together; roughly just over twenty minutes, enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K7TU1Hh_3U

#140 Genesis II on 05.07.20 at 8:02 pm

(5) In what manner have politicians and public health officials reacted to Covid-19?

/ /

Some, and for good reason, have called it a “Plandemic”

– so it wasn’t really a ‘reaction’ per se.
Who knows for sure?

Maybe TurnerNation?

#141 statsfreak on 05.07.20 at 8:03 pm

Sorry, only answered a few of the survey questions. I think there maybe should have been an “I don’t know” response available on many of them.

Only people who know everything are allowed here. – Garth

#142 Last Gasp on 05.07.20 at 8:07 pm

#77 Calgary RIP Off.

Very accurate synopsis of orthomolecular protocol. Dr. Abraham Hoffer of Victoria BC pioneered this protocol on the 70’s with great clinical results for viral infections and mental disorders. Main stream medicine is guilty of malpractice as it ignored proven IV Meyers H2O2 and vit protocols with documented success in China with respectable survival and recovery rates fat exceeding patent meds.

May have to go to mexico to get hydroxy Q, zinc , and zithro as also ignored in medical circles in Canada despite great success in France. Canada remains a WHO cult member. Thanks for your input.

If we survive the covid we can stay invested in the stock market and still keep our greater fool membership cards.

#143 Was upata favorite lake ... on 05.07.20 at 8:12 pm

#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm
Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage.
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a couple of years ago after the big fires in the Caribou had passed through. Morels by the bucket load. Picked a bunch and then my fishin’ buds decided to cook a few up. Very disappointing … just felt like a piece of rubber in your mouth with no flavor other than what you cooked them in. And the very next year … nothing at all. Best to stick with the big triploids I think …

#144 Sold Out on 05.07.20 at 8:17 pm

Not sure if this link has been posted before, but this Aussie prof makes an interesting argument for a Debt Jubilee. It would be better described as Quantitative Easing for the people. Everyone would receive the same dollar value of debt relief, regardless of the amount of debt, and those with no debts(everyone here, of course) would receive a credit in the same amount.

The alternatives sound a lot worse tbh. Even if every debtor paid off their heloc, credit cards, car loans, etc, we’d head into another Great Depression and die in a deflationary death spiral.

“Debts that can’t be repaid, won’t be repaid.”

https://braveneweurope.com/steve-keen-coronavirus-inflation-or-deflation-why-we-need-a-modern-debt-jubilee-now

http://www.profstevekeen.com/modern-debt-jubilee/

#145 zach on 05.07.20 at 8:20 pm

Didn’t know how to answer the first two. I’m at home but not working.

#146 Drinking on 05.07.20 at 8:22 pm

Only people who know everything are allowed here. – Garth
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Best come back ever! That’s the thing; none of us knows; with good people like you that writes a blog and allows us to comment and allows us to try and figure it out; it takes a family!!!!! Goodnight Johnboy!

#147 Wrk.dover on 05.07.20 at 8:29 pm

#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

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Turner Nation better where a full face shield motor cycle helmet to protect us from guts when his head explodes.

#148 Wrk.dover on 05.07.20 at 8:32 pm

wear-edit

#149 Wrk.dover on 05.07.20 at 8:36 pm

How much for a condo on the south guard rail of the Gardiner, right at hwy. level now?

#150 Jay on 05.07.20 at 8:36 pm

I would love to go to mall, to a restaurant or theatre or even camping, however it seems that even if the virus stopped dead tomorrow with zero cases and everyone recovered, governments will still keep up this cherade by enacting business killing restrictions, with bylaw officers patrolling streets and harassing people like the Saudi religious police. Might as well change the ministry of the middle class to the ministry of social distance, what is freedom again?

Therefore I probably won’t bother going anywhere or spend any money until the sheep stop living in fear and start acting like humans again.

#151 Doug t on 05.07.20 at 8:43 pm

I’m rereading 1984 again — OMG we is heading down the wrong road -set phasers on stun – Scottie kick us into overdrive – Spock engage cloaking device – Bones shut up – Uhura keep looking good – live long and prosper

#152 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.07.20 at 8:47 pm

@#128 Liz May cant do Math
“Cheap and cynical smear job by Elizabeth May. All this while she just jumps in her red Dodge Viper and does a couple more hot laps around Nanaimo. Can anyone say 8mpg?”

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To hell with her “Green” agenda.
It was always about “The green” (money).

I could never understand why she didn’t avail herself of the generous dental plan offered by the Federal and Provincial Parliamentary budgets……
The poor gal could chew an apple through a tennis racket.

#153 Elizabeth May on 05.07.20 at 8:47 pm

Only people who know everything are allowed here. – Garth
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Finally someone acknowledges my brilliance! It’s lonely freezing in the dark…

#154 Lost...but not leased on 05.07.20 at 8:53 pm

#128 Elizabeth May Can’t Do Math on 05.07.20 at 7:39 pm

Elizabeth May displayed her pathetic math skills today. If anyone has an example where the transition to renewables has not resulted in massively inflated hydro bills and grid instability and brownouts please post the link.

Renewables are not viable. Anyone who believes they are are Arts grads, Poli-Sci majors or Drama teachers/Fine Arts grads

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The Green Party should take a major hike…

The Province of BC is held hostage via the (3) Greenies who hold the balance of power and effectively live in Timbuktu.

The BC NDP is simply on life support based on these Greenie flakes.

#155 the Jaguar on 05.07.20 at 8:56 pm

Wow. Beyond the pale. One has to wonder why Elizabeth May or Quebec’s Blanchet would chose such a moment to drive another stake in the heart of Alberta, especially given the recent release of –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

a topical and interesting documentary which illustrates the futility of thinking solar/wind renewables will be able to replace the worlds energy requirements. Smart people knew this some time ago, but a documentary by Michael Moore confirming same gets a little more attention from the mainstream audience.
Not for a moment do I doubt Elizabeth May is a compassionate and well intended individual. It’s just obvious she is blinded by her wishfull thinking ideology. No idea about Blanchet. I’m not even going to try to explain the impact of their actions under the present circumstances. In difficult times one still hopes there might be some way forward. Some way to consensus or understanding. An acknowledgement of the challenges, acknowledgement of the scientific facts, etc. Compassion. I have to say honestly that given the events of the past few years my first reaction would be to slam the door shut in their faces. Both of them. All of them. Trudeau, Butts, and the silent ones whose families worked in the oil industry for decades but voted Liberal in the Maritime provinces in the last election, the ones who have continually opposed pipelines with their cancel culture mindset. Every one of them. And now the country wakes up and discovers 70% of their beef supply comes from southern Alberta in addition to the other economic output supplied by this province without so much as an acknowledgment or thank you. This really is the end.
It resembles the classic situation where one day a spouse just walks out the door without explanation after a lifetime of love and sacrifice. No point it trying to explain. It’s an act of desperation and attempt at survival. At some point there will be an analysis of what has taken place these past five plus years, and attempts to discuss ‘unity and vision’ are going to fall on deaf ears in some regions. Do the math on who has been floating your boat financially and how it is going to look going forward.
I don’t care if the whole Covid Crisis and Energy Crisis is over tomorrow. At the very first moment I was able to cut loose these backstabbing freeloaders I would do it and never look back.

#156 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.07.20 at 8:58 pm

@#135 Floppie

Beer and a barbie are always on the agenda.
Especially as the weather warms up.

Just promise you’ll toss me a cold one over the paddock fence when I need another brewski.
I get thirsty lighting my fartz on fire in the hot mid day sun.
But the cattle sharing the paddock seem mildly amused.
Just make room for Smoking Man in the Paddock.
No one will notice he’s smoking with my gas front and center.
I’ll have to meet with Wrk.Dover next time I’m in Nova Scotia….after air canada blows the birds nests out of the engines and gets flying again.

#157 Drill Baby Drill on 05.07.20 at 8:58 pm

Oil is King and Cash is King. I have used cash everywhere since this bogus shutdown started and have never been turned down.
Once this covid bs is over oil demand will pick up. Too many chicken littles.

#158 KNOW IT ALL on 05.07.20 at 8:59 pm

WE CAN ALL ENJOY LIFE BROKE AND BUSTED TOGETHER..

Get over it and welcome to 3rd world country living.

The people nobody cared about.

UNTIL NOW!!!

#159 Please no on 05.07.20 at 9:01 pm

#25 windbag
Don’t come to the interior.
Nothing to do with covid by the way.
Just don’t.

#160 John in Mtl on 05.07.20 at 9:03 pm

“Only people who know everything are allowed here. – Garth”

Totally made my evening! Thanks Garth -;)

#161 Blacksheep on 05.07.20 at 9:07 pm

Sail # 91,

“Here, let me save you lots of time and money:

Forget the potions, elixirs and powders. Eat a balanced diet. Exercise by doing useful things.

You’re welcome.”
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We got it Sail (for the second time) vitamins aren’t your thing.

For the rest of us that have 5 bucks and never want a cold again (C-19?) take 5000 IU’s of Vitamin D-3 daily.

It’s been 13 years with nothing more than a runny nose. For those looking at options (clearly, not you Sail) Calgary’s #77 is on the right track.

#162 Axehead on 05.07.20 at 9:20 pm

I did the survey and did not lie.

#163 mike on 05.07.20 at 9:25 pm

Needed an answer halfway between the two available options on No. 5.

With a consumer-driven economy, permission to open retail stores should have been based on whether the business operator could establish safe environment with the property and staff they had, not based on what types of merchandise they had on offer.

#164 TurnerNation on 05.07.20 at 9:25 pm

Where is the science around these new 6-foot long shackles? Tax slaves standing in line to buy food inflated with carbon taxes what not, roped together in 6-foot lengths, no talking wearing mask muzzle.
There’s nothing new in this world.
But somehow the germs will escape you and your eyes, ears. The germs float in a 6-foot wide cloud you know.

Go ahead fellow tax slaves, play along with the game and embrace your new shackles. A ball with a 6-foot long chain. Drag it around and drop in line.

#165 Drinking on 05.07.20 at 9:28 pm

Sort of off topic but a pretty good interview for those who are interested!

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/dave-rubin-interview-his-new-book-censorship-on-the-left-and-what-he-sees-happening-in-canada?video_autoplay=true#comments-area

#166 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.07.20 at 9:29 pm

Oh my.
Its started to hit the public sector.
6pm Vancouver news.
The drop off of foreign students in BC will cut the BC public school budgets by $265 MILLION dollars in the Fall school semester.
Teacher job cuts due to budget shortfalls are inevitable.
Universities are also seeing a dramatic drop in foreign student enrollment.

#167 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 9:29 pm

#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm
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Don’t forget WUL. We can discuss genie lifts at the BBQ, but I also wanna meet the guy who uses the term “Cat Skinner” in his regular lexicon, and wheelies tractors for kicks when he’s not busy at the court house. I wanna see Wkd Dover’s southern 3/4 ton Van too. Hell, we need Sail and Ustabe to show up too so we will have primo dining. I hear those two might also have a stash of magic mushrooms they’re trying to keep secret.

#168 WEXIT on 05.07.20 at 9:34 pm

Couple thoughts

More people have died last month in BC, of drug overdoses than COVID-19.

Article in Vancouver Sun
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-covid-19-lockdown-triggers-foreign-student-flight-from-canada/wcm/dea1a04b-35a0-4297-b4e1-16ebb850e830/

“ Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government has quietly confirmed foreign students with a SIN number can apply for the Canadian Emergency Response Benefit (CERB), which gives up to $2,000 a month to residents of Canada who have lost their jobs because of COVID-19.”

Quite the Country, Canada is

#169 cramar on 05.07.20 at 9:42 pm

The Detroit news carried a relevant story today. Seems the RE industry is fully opened up today. Open houses and all. One broker was interviewed and said he had “200 calls” from both buyers and sellers who want to get moving (pun intended). Seems the pent-up market is trying to play catch-up. Not condos, like in TO, but single-family dwellings mostly in the burbs I take it! Nobody seems fearful of visiting houses in real time. Masks, gloves, lights on, do not touch, is the mantra.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/construction-real-estate-industries-reopen-today-in-michigan

Wonder if other American cities are going this way, and whether it will be same/different in the over-extended gasbag market of some Canadian cities?

#170 Arctic Gringo: Qalunaaq on 05.07.20 at 9:47 pm

Garth: You often advocate to commute one’s pension, but with the recent decision to temporarily relieve federally- and privately defined benefit sponsors (https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2020/04/government-announces-relief-for-federally-regulated-pension-plan-sponsors.html) and the changes to the commuted value calculation by the Canadian Institute of Actuaries, are future commuters screwed?

#171 Flop... on 05.07.20 at 9:49 pm

Trackie
#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm
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Don’t forget WUL. We can discuss genie lifts at the BBQ, but I also wanna meet the guy who uses the term “Cat Skinner” in his regular lexicon, and wheelies tractors for kicks when he’s not busy at the court house. I wanna see Wkd Dover’s southern 3/4 ton Van too. Hell, we need Sail and Ustabe to show up too so we will have primo dining. I hear those two might also have a stash of magic mushrooms they’re trying to keep secret.

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I think WULLY has his hands full at the moment with the floods, I wrote him the other day to give us a Fort Mac update and he is yet to get back to me.

If they increase the gathering numbers to 15 we might as well invite MF and Billybob to make things interesting.

You, Crowdie, shouting across the paddock and Billybob all tag-teaming MF on his ideas would be interesting.

I like a good fireworks display…

M45BC

#172 Stan Brooks on 05.07.20 at 9:49 pm

Winter conditions in southern Ontario possibly until end of May.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/polar-vortex-to-bring-record-cold-temperatures-to-ontario-environment-canada-1.4925434

That with record low emissions due to suppressed economic activity.

Global freezing (still fits into the category of ‘climate change’) coming to the big white broken indebted north to complement the substandard poor housing (cornflakes homes) and noisy glass condos.

At times of automation and the irreversible jump to 15 years ahead in the jobless future.

Poor stupid sheeple still has some hopes that it’s ‘lifestyle’ of mindless consumption on credit somehow will keep going on and ‘hope’ that housing will not decline much so it will keep feeling ‘rich’.

What we witness today is a sudden major paradigm shift in economy and jobs, monetary systems.

Big cities are becoming traps for indebted cheap labour who is losing it’s jobs, and the owners and the idiots in power hope that ‘immigration’ will boost the phony consumption based economy without accounting for the reality of huge structural unemployment that will only grow.

Really what kind of idiots will continue importing guaranteed jobless for a long time immigrants considering the current unemployment numbers, automation trends? Most of these people come from poor countries and will never ever work, instead will depend on government handouts.

At times of record private and public debt, inflation, disappearing and melting down pensions and benefits and record deficits.

We will get guaranteed misery, increased crime and mass exodus from the big cities resulting in the big poor dump GTA becoming a poorer version of the crime ridden Chigago suburbs, with ‘lifestyle’ probably similar to that of Buffalo. Combined with the same miserable weather.

The trends were already in place, current situation just accelerates that 10-15 years into the future.

Big city living is over. Back to the land. Debt is not wealth. A house is not an investment, but a liability.
The ability of governments to hep their friends from the big business to extract record profits from a broken populace through incentivised irresponsible behavior is gone. Payback/judgement day time coming.

Enjoy.

#173 LLLLL on 05.07.20 at 9:51 pm

I think you should add the option to your vaccine question about if you believe you already have antibodies due to Covid-19 infection…just an idea….I know alot of people who have had symptoms were never tested and as a result do not want a vaccine in future if they can confirm with antibody testing they already have immunity. Fear is already reduced in those people

#174 A J on 05.07.20 at 9:51 pm

#65 Parksville Prankster

A voice of reason! I respect you Parksville Prankster :)

PS: The Premier asking cottagers not to go to their cottages for May 2-4 long weekend is insane to me. I understand he had a convo with some of the cottage country mayors and they don’t want city dwellers coming back to their towns, but wow. If you want to lose the people fast, tell them they can’t visit their own property on the first long weekend of the summer. If you want a revolt, this is how you start it.

#175 DON on 05.07.20 at 9:58 pm

#37 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 3:25 pm

#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

It will take a long time for the fear to disappear.

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Haha- nope. At this point, it’s totally a first-world discretionary decision. Not true fear by any means. More an ideal.

I’d wager that virtually nobody in the western world has involuntarily gone without food. If food runs out, this thing you think is fear will vanish like the dew on a buttercup.
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Maybe you and I don’t fear anything, but others are fearful and there seems to be more of them than us. Gotta wonder how many retired folks will resume travel right away, and right away is needed to help the economies of the world. China’s quick recovery was a dream as they depend on orders from locked down countries. The Chinese are just as house horny and indebted as Canadians and the cracks are starting to show in China. Only time will tell!

The sickness is nasty even if you don’t die from it.

For the last 6 months people have been inundated with constant negative COVID news.

Besides we have perfected the Pizza Crust and so many other dishes, no need to go out and eat.

#176 Cowtown Oil Dude on 05.07.20 at 10:00 pm

I was out today at Canadian Tire and picked up some litter that was blowing around in the parking lot and put it in the garbage can.

Gives me a warm feeling to know I did more to help the environment today than Elizabeth May has done in ten years.

#177 YouKnowWho on 05.07.20 at 10:06 pm

2 years to clear back log of surgeries in BC according to CBC?

What’s the quality of life and years of life lost there?

How does it make sense to put a stop to surgeries?

#178 Barb on 05.07.20 at 10:12 pm

We miss the pubs…a pint of beer and some great pizza.
Beer at home just isn’t the same as in a fun and noisy environment. Seeing folks we know, saying HI.

#179 DON on 05.07.20 at 10:16 pm

#154 Lost…but not leased on 05.07.20 at 8:53 pm

#128 Elizabeth May Can’t Do Math on 05.07.20 at 7:39 pm

Elizabeth May displayed her pathetic math skills today. If anyone has an example where the transition to renewables has not resulted in massively inflated hydro bills and grid instability and brownouts please post the link.

Renewables are not viable. Anyone who believes they are are Arts grads, Poli-Sci majors or Drama teachers/Fine Arts grads

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The Green Party should take a major hike…

The Province of BC is held hostage via the (3) Greenies who hold the balance of power and effectively live in Timbuktu.

The BC NDP is simply on life support based on these Greenie flakes.
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All parties should take a hike!

Back to the corruption trial and the connection to the Chinese government. Did you follow the latest Sam Cooper article about the Chinese front groups and gangs operating on behalf of Beijing and the impact on local politicians, you know the ones who have visited China many times? I wouldn’t want to be a BC Liberal….YIKES! To bad we don’t have a Progressive Conservative Party in BC.

Or is it finally time for Independents running for office, outlaw the party/gangs.

#180 DON on 05.07.20 at 10:24 pm

#50 MF on 05.07.20 at 4:07 pm

#41 What Just Happened ? on 05.07.20 at 3:50 pm

I’ll say it again, did millennials cause 2008? Did genzee?

I’ll wait for your answer.

MF
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Nope… but there parents did! Most Millenials have Boomers as parents herein lies the rub – of course from a Gen X perspective. lol Just Kidding MF.

#181 Barb on 05.07.20 at 10:26 pm

“We are spending too much on food -what else is there to do other than garden?”

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Anyone with teenagers, especially boys, will open the fridge door any day and find only a light bulb.
And that’s with shopping 2x/week!

#182 Pent up demand on 05.07.20 at 10:37 pm

Thanks for the post Garth
Here on Vancouver Island
Wow Ka bang!
Premier said slow opening after long weekend.
Went out today it was like a Saturday, traffic everywhere
Gas up ten cents, people sitting in coffee shops stores open. And people everywhere both here in Nanaimo and Duncan. Highway full of cars. It’s like the power went back on.
So it’s like everyone said okay we will do as we are told stay at home but now it’s over let’s party.

So it will be interesting where all the travel money gets spent, forget contractors I talked to one guy 4 months backlog. One local saw mill cannot get cedar? really this is BC? I had to settle for hemlock.
Wait till Ontario and Quebec open up.
And now it begins.
And yep you missed the stock market low and no depression
People are actually more cheerful and consumer is king.
Respectfully
Pent up demand.

#183 Ronaldo on 05.07.20 at 10:38 pm

So we’ve had 260 drug overdose deaths this year in BC (113 in March) vs 126 deaths from Corona.

https://vancouversun.com/news/b-c-coroners-service-says-number-of-overdose-deaths-spiked-in-march/wcm/e9f10c56-a578-4ca7-ba0d-3b43a3c20bca/

#184 Franklin Mex on 05.07.20 at 10:41 pm

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/airbnbs-pandemic-woes-prompt-watching-for-change-in-rental-listings

AirBB admits that a majority of Specuvestor “ super hosts” are toast. Rental units coming out by the tens of thousand once federal deferral give always stop interfering with healthy market evolution.

The way things are going, AirBB itself is unlikely to survive in its current form. I think they’ll be absorbed by a bigger player. The biggest OTAs are raising huge dollars, likely for aquisition.

Good riddance speckers, don’t let the fact that you screwed too many clients out of their deposits hit you in the ass on the way out the door. Karmas a bitch.

Regarding the survey. It leaves out the anger most people feel towards certain egregiously incompetent politicians, especially the PM. He should not be getting a pass from the media or anyone else. Trudeau screwed these pooch, intentionally, calling us racist over border controls, masks etc. We need a competant leader, no more lies. It’s serious, get him out before your survey questions become prophecy and depression becomes reality. Gerald Butts is still attending all cabinet meetings and pushing to kill resource industry. Canada can’t afford the radical Nutts agenda.

#185 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 10:46 pm

#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

Here are 10 people on here I would currently like to have BBQ and a beer/beverage with, just have a laugh, see how they’re doing, or maybe just see wtf is up with them.

In no particular order…

Trackie

TurnerNation

Long Time Lurker.

Wrk.Dover

Steven Rowlandson

LP

Sold Out

NoName

Smartalox

Crowdie , you can come, but you have to shower, wear deodorant, and stay on the other side of the paddock.

Six feet is insufficient.

NoName, I think you’re a non-tubber too.

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Hey, cool, I’m in!

Hot tub? I don’t bother with a suit- hope that’s ok.

I’ll bring a few bottles of Scotch. Looking forward to time and place.

#186 Ponzius Pilatus on 05.07.20 at 10:53 pm

Enjoy your mushroom picking.
Just check for ticks afterwards.
Lyme disease can be nasty.

#187 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 10:54 pm

#161 Blacksheep on 05.07.20 at 9:07 pm
Sail # 91,

“Here, let me save you lots of time and money:

Forget the potions, elixirs and powders. Eat a balanced diet. Exercise by doing useful things.

You’re welcome.”

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We got it Sail (for the second time) vitamins aren’t your thing.

For the rest of us that have 5 bucks and never want a cold again (C-19?) take 5000 IU’s of Vitamin D-3 daily.

It’s been 13 years with nothing more than a runny nose. For those looking at options (clearly, not you Sail) Calgary’s #77 is on the right track.

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Hey, that’s cool. Everyone has superstitions.

This might blow your mind, though: adults who have been around lots of people their whole life stop getting colds and flus around age 40 or so because there are only so many varieties out there. Is that about when your vitamin-enhanced ‘immunity’ started? Hmmmm….

#188 Ronaldo on 05.07.20 at 10:58 pm

This is Millennial Realist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00FDR1E0zvE

#189 NFN_NLN on 05.07.20 at 11:04 pm

#61 Dolce Vita on 05.07.20 at 4:34 pm

I did try to warn Gov Canada first few days of March, they and other Canadians laughed it off and laughed at me, even here on this Blog (save Garth and a handful of his followers).

Who’s laughing now…eh?

If a second wave hits, and it’s a virus of ACTUAL consequence, people will be less likely to take it seriously the second time.

Why? Because dangerous clowns like you blew this out of proportion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcYjXbSJBN8&t=59m49s

The mainstream is catching on to this manufactured crisis. You won’t be remembered as the hero you believe you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUBTtUTOII&t=33s

+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!+!

#190 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 11:27 pm

#143 Was upata favorite lake … on 05.07.20 at 8:12 pm
#25 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 2:50 pm

Gathering season is upon us; time to plan the morel mushroom forage.

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a couple of years ago after the big fires in the Caribou had passed through. Morels by the bucket load. Picked a bunch and then my fishin’ buds decided to cook a few up. Very disappointing … just felt like a piece of rubber in your mouth with no flavor other than what you cooked them in. And the very next year … nothing at all. Best to stick with the big triploids I think …

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Yep, spring after the 2017 fires were epic. I think we filled the truck completely.

Those triploid trout are good eaters. Chunky.

#191 GERALD on 05.07.20 at 11:33 pm

I’m the POA for my 90 year old Mother who lives in a seniors home. I just opened her bank statement to see an EI deposit of $2,000. I’m fairly certain that its a mistake.
i’ll wait and see how long it takes for them to ask for it back. has this happened to any other blog dogs?

#192 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 11:34 pm

#167 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 9:29 pm
#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm

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Don’t forget WUL. We can discuss genie lifts at the BBQ, but I also wanna meet the guy who uses the term “Cat Skinner” in his regular lexicon, and wheelies tractors for kicks when he’s not busy at the court house. I wanna see Wkd Dover’s southern 3/4 ton Van too. Hell, we need Sail and Ustabe to show up too so we will have primo dining. I hear those two might also have a stash of magic mushrooms they’re trying to keep secret.

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Sure, I’ll bring some psilocybes for the crew. I’m pretty sure Turner Nation eats them daily before posting anyway.

#193 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 11:40 pm

#130 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:42 pm
#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm

“Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.”

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-Actually it’s probably the opposite that’s true. If it tastes bad, it’s probably healthy

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Actually, the belief that things that taste bad are somehow generally healthier than things that taste good is.. how do I say this tactfully… pure bullshit.

#194 Lorne on 05.07.20 at 11:42 pm

#154 Lost…but not leased on 05.07.20 at 8:53 pm

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The Green Party should take a major hike…

The Province of BC is held hostage via the (3) Greenies who hold the balance of power and effectively live in Timbuktu.

The BC NDP is simply on life support based on these Greenie flakes.
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Perhaps in your dream world but Horgan has an 83% approval rating a month ago and it has likely even grown!

https://globalnews.ca/news/6792350/coronavirus-poll-prime-minster-premier-approvals/

#195 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 11:44 pm

#116 Lost…but not leased on 05.07.20 at 7:16 pm

#92 kc on 05.07.20 at 6:05 pm
#28 CEW9 on 05.07.20 at 3:01 pm

On a local Facebook group, a restaurant did an informal poll on whether people would feel comfortable dining in when they are allowed to re-open (May 14). Only 2 out of about 40 responses said they would eat-in. All the others are too scared – a 95% drop in willingness to eat at a restaurant. That is the new reality.

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I have to say something here. Being afraid is to be scared of being there.

As for me what I am more afraid of, or pissed off about is, being treated as a sub-par human. If it gets opened and I go into a restaurant and have to be herded like cattle with plexi glass and fake borders surrounding me from the servers and other ppl, why would I want to go there?
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Well said:

WTF is the ” New Normal “…???

Pubs and restaurants are social occasions…you get to know the owner/s….the staff….ends up like one extended family. Nice to have a large group of strangers @ surrounding tables…its a nice vibe.

If the ” New Normal” is having ones intelligence continually insulted by pointy- headed bureaucrats and aparatchiks with illogical /irrational rules and regulations…sans a revolution… the future looks very very bleak.

****For the Record: I would have ZERO fear eating in.

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I hear you both, but I hate to say it:
It really looks like you are in the minority.

There will be a lot of people who stay home scared for a long time. Combine those who are scared of going broke, and I don’t see any quick recovery in Canadian consumer spending.

Maybe there is a ‘silent majority’ who just don’t speak up and will go about their business, but nearly everyone I have heard from vocally is not willing to go out yet. Maybe the warm weather will get them out, I don’t know. But the fear is still out there, and it will take people a long time to get over it.

#196 A-non-e-mouse on 05.07.20 at 11:51 pm

I think you need more options for question 5:
– total incompetance
– acted too slowly, deaths could have been lower
– should have done there own research instead of blindly following WHO/China

#197 Robert Ash on 05.08.20 at 12:01 am

Thanks Garth for the Poll, it is important to include the average person, in terms of their vote… I would champion your thoughts, as an MP that today we can include the Electorate in making major Decisions, at least in terms of Referendums. We are advanced enough to ask our Diverse countries Tax Payers, if they agree with major Policy direction. It can be done using Home or Public PC’s with a PIN identification. If Canucks, just insisted on this Method of Communications, we would be a better country… Look at Alberta, and the Pipeline issue… Why not ask this question after the Facts are outlined in a Public Discussion, Televised in the House of Commons. Prior to this the referendum date, the Media, can be used to initiate discussion panels concerning the issues at hand. Not every problem has to be discussed, but Pipelines, First Nations, Immigration, Interprovincial trade, Taxation, Services Content, etc… Not each problem should be discussed, or at the same time, but a considerate, slow and meaningful, outcome, would benefit all Canadians, add Pride and Inclusion, into the Mix…. and Move our Democracy forward.
Somehow as Canadians, we should go Viral on insisting on this format. A Blog, might be a starting point.
As our World opens, up, or Regionally if possible, consider doing some work around the house, using Day Labor, hired from places like the Bissel Center, Hope Mission, or the Mustard Seed, .. good folks, that need some work!

#198 Kaleycat on 05.08.20 at 12:03 am

Waiting at an A&W I couldn’t help but notice several HELP WANTED signs. At the window I asked, weren’t there lots unemployed people in this small town?
Yes. 13 of the 17 A&W employees are home, enjoying a paid vacation, and won’t come in for work. The manager said she finally sent them all a letter this week saying that either they come to work or she was sending out separation slips that say “quit” on them.

Wonder how many of our CERB collecting, recently unemployed, are this kind?

#199 belly rubs on 05.08.20 at 12:15 am

Cave dwelling nomads lasted longer as a culture than us moderns. Something worked for them. We’re very high octane now, and I don’t know how sustainable that is. I imagine many people are assessing their life choices about now.

Meanwhile, baby ducks had their first outing today. One momma had eight! A couple of young fawns and a doe were in the yard. Beets sprouting, squash, cucumbers, radishes. I welded a “harrow” using rail spikes and toodled around in the beater Chevy 4x making test rows. Tomorrow I’m making a potato box. Rent here is $1000 for 300,000 sq ft of outdoor, 1000 sq ft indoor. The neighbourhood is very chill. Smile and wave.

For an underlying thread in Canadian culture nothing has changed, nothing will change, nothing ever changes.

#200 WUL on 05.08.20 at 12:37 am

#167 IHCTD9 on 05.07.20 at 9:29 pm
#135 Flop… on 05.07.20 at 7:58 pm
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Don’t forget WUL.

D9…D9…D9…

Cat Skinner and the FLOPSTER,

Johnson Bar, we’ll meet. Darn near a gut cinch certainty.

Hey, FLOP. Are you still swinging the 20 oz. Estwing at 3″ coated?

I ain’t in court much these days. The doors to the Palais de Justice are locked. I’m hankerin’ for some disputatious unpleasantness.

Flood waters hit The Mac real hard, so double trouble with the virus. The mighty Athabasca River got cranky and was hurling massive chunks of ice all over the joint.

On a positive note, I seen a daffodil outside my office today.

Smelled wood smoke in the air last night. Fire season cometh.

Exactly how many horsemen of the Acropolis are there?

Cheers and chins up peeps,

WUL

M64BigFanoftheDawgs,TurnerandFelix

Hi Smokey!!

#201 igb on 05.08.20 at 1:28 am

Markets have bounced back significantly this year but are still below earlier highs. Just curious how your balanced portfolio has performed ytd or what in your opinion is considered to be acceptable.

#202 SoggyShorts on 05.08.20 at 1:40 am

#33 FreeBird on 05.07.20 at 3:14 pm

Agreed with my body my choice. I’ve said it often over any future vaccine or drug/treatment… period. It’s one our last basic personal freedoms of autonomy and self determination. Will not go willingly or by civic guilt. Neither will my husband.

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All vaccinations or just this one?

Are you also ok with being denied entry into privately owned restaurants without proof of vaccination ?(my restaurant, my choice)

Are you ok with being denied a passport or entry into other nations? (My country, my choice)

Are you ok with your kids being denied public education?(out children’s our choice)

#203 SoggyShorts on 05.08.20 at 1:42 am

#170 SoggyShorts on 05.08.20 at 1:40 am
*Our children our choice

#204 Bdwy on 05.08.20 at 4:43 am

Already have dungeness in the freezer and it’s barely into the first inning. Had a humpback cruise by the end of the dock tonite. Maybe we get to swim with the beast this weekend. 17 yrs I’ve been seeing different mushrooms on our little bit of bush out here, pretty sure those chanterelle grow here since seeing a picture (now I know, thx to the weird old mushroom guys, thanks w.o.m.g ). Have ‘exploded’ countless puffballs, will try eating one!

All the stores I want still open, driving has been blissful, parking a dream and gas for truck/boat is half off! BC having a dry warm green spring. Rough times here. I say Keep it locked down for the summer, maybe next summer too?(2and wave!!!)

Now I just need to get a line on those cheap Ontario native smokes until the border opens again. Trackie maybe you could ask them if they ship to bc next time you’re in?

Got my kubota stolen. Insurance paid for a new one 40k. Holy crap. Wanna buy a new tractor?
I am terrified to let it touch dirt. Even grass. Or dust.
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to the pill pushers (supplement stooges?)
30 yrs smoking, 10 diet cokes a day, no booze but truckloads of weed. And chocolate.
No regular vitamins and far too much mcValue dining. (Of course it tastes f’ing great ) . Dont sleep much or regular. I do very much exercise by doing useful things.

But….Cant catch a cold if I tried.
And I spent 10 years trying. Inhaled likely billions of fresh wet virus up close and personal, shot into nose and mouth. Daily . Kids.
Me? Not even a sniffle. Ever

Many of us need no vitamins for total resistance to corona virus family. Other problems sure. Statins, not vitamins are keeping me above ground but the etemeed readship here has no need to know your or my weaknesses.
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Best lines?
Garths “people who know everything” and lizzie May’s apple eating skills. I love this place.
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Getting tedious? Dolce vita is so proud of his R0 number I think he may need a special prize or something. Yeah you learned a new number . We are all so proud of you. Too predictable. Dont turn into jess!
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Market crash round 2 just ahead.

#205 Toronto_CA on 05.08.20 at 6:11 am

I really see a deflationary environment coming.

1) Lots of people either laid off or on reduced wages if they are still working = less disposable income.

2) People have been living like minimalists for 2 months+ now; spending very little money except on food and basic necessities. Going from this to spending on crap they don’t need is a hard shift after they get into the habit of spending little. Those of us who save regularly know it feels good to spend less than we earn, once you start. This = paradox of thrift.

3) People are scared, rightly or wrongly (I choose to believe for the vast majority of people we should not be afraid of catching the virus, or may have already caught it and not known we had it). If they are scared, they won’t take trips, they won’t go out to restaurants, they won’t go to plays or the movies, they won’t be active consumers. This surpresses demand.

4) With less demand, businesses need to drop prices to entice spending. With less prices, they need to cut costs, which leads to lower wages.

Lower wages, lower prices, lower demand..all deflationary. Money can be borrowed for free (keep cutting interest rates, Central Banks!) but if no one wants debt..we’re in trouble.

I know I’m over simplifying but I don’t see how inflation takes off in this environment. Maybe a few years from now.

#206 Wrk.dover on 05.08.20 at 6:13 am

#199 belly rubs on 05.08.20 at 12:15 am

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Congratulations, you won! Life!

#207 Phylis on 05.08.20 at 6:49 am

#50 MF on 05.07.20 at 4:07 pm.
A response from Billy.
https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g

#208 John in Mtl on 05.08.20 at 7:44 am

@ #188 Ronaldo on 05.07.20 at 10:58 pm

This is Millennial Realist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00FDR1E0zvE

Good laugh, thanks Ronaldo.

#209 Rethink your diet mate on 05.08.20 at 7:47 am

#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm
#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

******
Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.

******

3 things taste good: salt, sugar and grease. The food processing industry has been lacing your food with it. Fill your boots.

#210 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 8:12 am

@#185 Sail away
“I’ll bring a few bottles of Scotch. Looking forward to time and place.”
++++

If things get boring, I can always take a few big swigs of Scotch and fire up the cigarette lighter….Flame ON! as it were….. a barrel of laughs.

#211 Tulip on 05.08.20 at 8:14 am

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#212 BLTandfries on 05.08.20 at 8:15 am

#172

“We will get guaranteed misery, increased crime and mass exodus from the big cities… Big city living is over. Back to the land. ”

Yup, and anyone wonders why they want the guns soooo bad? It ain’t for “public safety”, that’s for sure. They know things are boiling over in the next 15 years.

It’s a weird situation, where clearly the government and its UN handlers want the Agenda-21 dense urban nightmare, and yet they are so incompetent, and the unintended downstream effects of any policy can be so difficult to foresee, and humans are so fundamentally stubborn, that current events may end up having the opposite effect from what they inended.

Most likely scenario for the future is 5G FavelaHives surrounded by impoverished countryside. Choose your own dystopia!

#186

Yes, tick season is in full swing here; we do a nightly tick check on all the kids and have found a few so far. Can’t wait for our guinea hens to hatch and devour them all.

#213 COVID Math on 05.08.20 at 8:46 am

Alberta has so far conducted about 110,000 COVID 19 tests and has suffered 114 deaths.

That’s a death rate of 0.14%, and that number may be high as only persons with possible symptoms are tested. The symptom free are not tested.

A regular annual flu has a death rate of 0.10%.

We may have destroyed our economies for nothing.

Imagine that, the world’s first Social Media Induced Pandemic.

We may have to have a name for it: SMIP-19

#214 Dharma Bum on 05.08.20 at 9:02 am

#114 Butterfly

Would it be better to pay more for a house and lower interest rate or less with a high rate?
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Lower price is better.

Less absolute debt.

More options.

Owing $500K is preferable to owing $1M.

The lower the debt, the faster it can be paid off.

You can choose to make more money and put it toward the debt.

In the long run, the less you owe, the healthier you’ll be.

Debt load is inversely correlated to freedom, happiness, mental health, and overall wellbeing.

#215 FYI on 05.08.20 at 9:06 am

@#172 Stan Brooks on 05.07.20 at 9:49 pm

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love your posts stan.
always a good laugh – keep em comin’

#216 Dharma Bum on 05.08.20 at 9:06 am

#213 COVID Math

Imagine that, the world’s first Social Media Induced Pandemic.
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The government should legislate Social Media Distancing.

Ban Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and all the rest of that vile narcissistic and gossip ridden fake news filth that serves no productive purpose, other than to spread viral lies and show cat videos.

#217 Robert James on 05.08.20 at 9:11 am

The greatest job loss since the Great Depression and the Dow futures are up 280 as we speak..I don`t get it,,although I like to see the Dow up.. My portfolio is only down about 150K since the peak before CV-19..lol

The worst news is out. The jobs bottom. Markets now anticipate the road to recovery. – Garth

#218 Stop the Lies on 05.08.20 at 9:12 am

OMG, when will the lies stop? Jobs numbers out today, what a joke !!! Trudeau Liberals announce Two million jobs lost ?

How can 7 million apply for CERB in April , millions more apply for EI, and millions more on CEBA in April uncounted not included contract self employed. Those numbers were announced by the government days after CERB applicants.

Now the number is only 2 million. Sorry Trudeau, but I’m not burning off my synaptic vesicles with your drug induced dumbing down.

How does the media agree to go along with this sham? Shame shame shame !!!

#219 joblo on 05.08.20 at 9:34 am

Come on T2 and your Lieberals.
$150 million to the CFL.
Chinada needs it, Chinadians need their second rate football league.

#220 Stone on 05.08.20 at 9:34 am

#218 Stop the Lies on 05.08.20 at 9:12 am
OMG, when will the lies stop? Jobs numbers out today, what a joke !!! Trudeau Liberals announce Two million jobs lost ?

How can 7 million apply for CERB in April , millions more apply for EI, and millions more on CEBA in April uncounted not included contract self employed. Those numbers were announced by the government days after CERB applicants.

Now the number is only 2 million. Sorry Trudeau, but I’m not burning off my synaptic vesicles with your drug induced dumbing down.

How does the media agree to go along with this sham? Shame shame shame !!!

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“Honest” Canadians are not very honest. A lot of fraudulent CERB applications. No worries. CRA will punish these shysters and CRA has no sympathy – fraudsters will pay bigley.

CRA is the one organization that I wouldn’t want to cross as they can easily destroy anyone.

#221 Flop... on 05.08.20 at 9:48 am

I wanna see Elizabeth May go up against Theresa Tam and Joey Chestnut at the annual hotdog eating contest on the 4th of July.

Pure carnage.

Probably less chance of being lacerated being an innocent bystander in the middle of a tornado in Oklahoma with corrugated iron flying around…

M45BC

#222 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 9:52 am

“The worst news is out. The jobs bottom. Markets now anticipate the road to recovery. – Garth”

+++

Garth.

Any comment to The Economist latest issue that warns of the huge disconnect between the “exuberance” of Wall St traders and whats happening on Main St. with record unemployed?

Its the pessimist in me.

Of course it is a disconnect. We’ve been talking about it here since the virus arrived. Markets are being supported by CBs and historic fiscal stimulus, which will eventually be replaced by corporate returns as the economy reopens. Every day it looks more like late-March was the bottom. – Garth

#223 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.08.20 at 9:58 am

@#221 Floppie

It’s only a matter of time before they’re in the Big Book of British Smiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5mH_ggZv0

#224 Flop... on 05.08.20 at 10:06 am

Re: Elizabeth May and Therasa Tam in an eating contest.

Jaws would be too scared to turn up…

M45BC

#225 Blacksheep on 05.08.20 at 10:15 am

Sail # 187,

#161 Blacksheep on 05.07.20 at 9:07 pm
Sail # 91,

“Here, let me save you lots of time and money:

Forget the potions, elixirs and powders. Eat a balanced diet. Exercise by doing useful things.

You’re welcome.”

—————

We got it Sail (for the second time) vitamins aren’t your thing.

For the rest of us that have 5 bucks and never want a cold again (C-19?) take 5000 IU’s of Vitamin D-3 daily.

It’s been 13 years with nothing more than a runny nose. For those looking at options (clearly, not you Sail) Calgary’s #77 is on the right track.

—————

“Hey, that’s cool. Everyone has superstitions.

This might blow your mind, though: adults who have been around lots of people their whole life stop getting colds and flus around age 40 or so because there are only so many varieties out there. Is that about when your vitamin-enhanced ‘immunity’ started? Hmmmm….”
——————————-
Fascinating stuff Sail.

So I wonder why the D-3 had the same effect on my 12 year old daughter, when she started taking it, 12 years ago?

Probably just superior genetics…

#226 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 10:18 am

Garth, those numbers don’t make any sense. If 7M people applied for CERB in April alone and there are about 15M full time workers in Canada, maybe 19M including PT, that doesn’t equate to the numbers they are saying. Just like Trudeaus job creation numbers were fake, so are his job losses.

So either Trudeau is lying and we have an UE rate closer to 36% or the other poster is right, we have a few million scammers in our midst. This is bad optics.

#227 Moh on 05.08.20 at 10:41 am

Garth, the Dow Jones at it’s peak was nearing 30,000 points and is still sitting at 24,000 points. Yes the markets have somewhat recovered however the damage was done. Some analysts were predicting before the virus hit that we be at 35,000 points by end of 2021. I doubt will see that until late in this decade. All I am saying is like everything it goes up and down. The stock market back in March and until today you could have bought stuff at a discount. However looking at housing I still see houses very expensive and perhaps a few thousand dollars lower than the initial price.

Equity markets are 33% higher than six weeks ago. That’s impressive. Investors who ignored the virus will do just fine. – Garth

#228 Sold Out on 05.08.20 at 10:42 am

#226 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 10:18 am
Garth, those numbers don’t make any sense. If 7M people applied for CERB in April alone and there are about 15M full time workers in Canada, maybe 19M including PT, that doesn’t equate to the numbers they are saying. Just like Trudeaus job creation numbers were fake, so are his job losses.

So either Trudeau is lying and we have an UE rate closer to 36% or the other poster is right, we have a few million scammers in our midst. This is bad optics.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Not everyone who applied for CERB is unemployed; many people have been furloughed and are missing their usual income, but have not lost their jobs.

#229 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:44 am

#209 Rethink your diet mate on 05.08.20 at 7:47 am
#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm
#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

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Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.

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3 things taste good: salt, sugar and grease. The food processing industry has been lacing your food with it. Fill your boots.

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Yes. Guess what you refuel with on ultramarathons? Salted potatoes, chips, cookies and pizza. On multiday races, racers carry bottles of coconut or olive oil for calories.

Exercise as your body needs and eat anything you crave. That’s the formula.

Sometimes I eat broccoli and beets for days because they just taste so good. Then they don’t: quota satisfied. Also fat. Delicious. Nothing better than salted tenderloin simmered in pure lard. Fantastic.

#230 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 10:44 am

#226 not 1st

May also be related to the $5K qualifying income.

It has also been pointed out often that people who don’t qualify for unemployment benefit don’t show up in the job losses stats.

#231 not 1st on 05.08.20 at 10:50 am

#228 Sold Out on 05.08.20 at 10:42 am

Not everyone who applied for CERB is unemployed; many people have been furloughed and are missing their usual income, but have not lost their jobs.

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Sounds like another Trudeau technicality, sort of like when people lose their main job and start a dog walking business and then are instantly counted among the ranks of employed. Or when an oil worker loses his $100k a yr job only to be replaced by an uber driver.

This govt has been obfuscating numbers like that for 5 yrs. Just like the virus, now we have another level of misinformation and mismanagement. What a mess.

#232 Toronto_CA on 05.08.20 at 10:56 am

#227 Moh on 05.08.20 at 10:41 am

House prices are sticky. Won’t see price drops come in for a while yet. Let’s see where we are in November if unemployment is still north of 10% and loads of people are working for reduced pay.

#233 IHCTD9 on 05.08.20 at 10:59 am

#227 Moh on 05.08.20 at 10:41 am

The stock market back in March and until today you could have bought stuff at a discount. However looking at housing I still see houses very expensive and perhaps a few thousand dollars lower than the initial price.
——

Houses cost a pile of non mortgage related costs when you buy, and when you sell. Houses cost a ton more every single month, interest, taxes, insurance, maintenance, upgrades, renovations.

And if you don’t sell soon, you will be 100% subject to the new capital gains taxes on primary residences. Pretty much impossible to win after these CG taxes come into effect unless you bought 20 years ago or more – probably not even then.

Meanwhile, my RRSP’s and TFSA’s grow without any costs outside a 1% fee, and taxes at retirement will be highly malleable, or none at all.

It’s time to face the facts. The big money making days for RE is in the rear view mirror now. Peak was three years ago, only gone down since then, and when the CG tax on PR arrives, it will kill the market for good as there will be no way to make a profit on a house no matter what you do.

#234 Boring 30 something on 05.08.20 at 11:01 am

The questions aren’t great at getting to some of the reasons why we are doing things. I am wearing a mask when I go to a store. I don’t wear one when I am outside by myself. Also, you might want to know if there are a lot of cases in their regions. A person in Montreal will give very different answers (for good reason!) than someone in Victoria.

#235 Fused on 05.08.20 at 11:01 am

toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/could-covid-19-affect-your-credit-card-limit-1.4918132
http://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/gff8lc/credit_cards_limits_being_reduced_without_warning/
I guess banks are starting to get a little nervous, LOC are next, then HELOCs to soon follow, mortgage rules are also tightening up.
I know some friends who are on “CERB vacations” and are topping up the pay with credit and only plan to go back to work when the govt money runs out, if T2 funds them for 3more months they will take it.
I think if one is looking to buy a house best to wait until the New Year after the Christmas credit binge bills start rolling in.

#236 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 11:15 am

Google and Facebook now allows most people to work from home until the end of the year, if they prefer.

#237 45north on 05.08.20 at 11:15 am

IHCTD9: Out in the glacial till of the Southern Ontario badlands, we call a 350sf steel box – a garden shed.

I wouldn’t call Dummer Township, Southern Ontario

#238 IHCTD9 on 05.08.20 at 11:19 am

#229 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:44 am
#209 Rethink your diet mate on 05.08.20 at 7:47 am
#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm
#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

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Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.

—————-

3 things taste good: salt, sugar and grease. The food processing industry has been lacing your food with it. Fill your boots.

—————-

Yes. Guess what you refuel with on ultramarathons? Salted potatoes, chips, cookies and pizza. On multiday races, racers carry bottles of coconut or olive oil for calories.

Exercise as your body needs and eat anything you crave. That’s the formula.

Sometimes I eat broccoli and beets for days because they just taste so good. Then they don’t: quota satisfied. Also fat. Delicious. Nothing better than salted tenderloin simmered in pure lard. Fantastic.
——

Diet is a complex topic. I feel Men benefit a lot from food (and activities) that keep their T levels up. Do a little reading on what happens when a Man’s T levels get too low – it’s all bad, no good.

Funny thing is, the foods that keep T levels up are all the things we are told not to eat, fats and cholesterol. Add in lifting heavy, lots of sleep, plenty of sex, and keeping a handle on your stress will shoot those T levels up.

An interesting experiment from TAOM, complete with doctor visits for lipid screening. Makes you think twice about cholesterol, that’s for sure (at least for Men):

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

#239 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 11:22 am

Haha No I never used any drugs, rarely drink. This makes it easier/harder.
Definately makes life harder/easier.

Say did you notice the Cruise ship industry got shut down over one boat? Out of maybe 5,000 cruise ships in existence. What was that cruise line’s name?
Royal Carib. Royal. Like the Crown corona virus.
This is out Crown ruler’s last chance at a power grab and I think they got a workable plan going. Middle class RIP.

Turn 1st World into 2nd World by killing off demand.
(In 2008 they tried so hard by killing off credit access.)

Here in Ontariowe I am kicked off all Crown land, there are keep out signs on: parks, provincial/national parks, local parks; public boat docks, you name it. The Crown owns out land we just rent it/prop taxes

#240 FYI on 05.08.20 at 11:38 am

@#229 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 10:44 am
#209 Rethink your diet mate on 05.08.20 at 7:47 am
#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm
#110 BrianT on 05.07.20 at 7:05 pm

—————-

Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.

—————-

3 things taste good: salt, sugar and grease. The food processing industry has been lacing your food with it. Fill your boots.

—————-

Yes. Guess what you refuel with on ultramarathons? Salted potatoes, chips, cookies and pizza. On multiday races, racers carry bottles of coconut or olive oil for calories.
________________________

lol, ultramarathons arent all that great for the well being of your body.

#241 FYI on 05.08.20 at 11:43 am

@#225 Blacksheep on 05.08.20 at 10:15 am
Sail # 187,

#161 Blacksheep on 05.07.20 at 9:07 pm
Sail # 91,

“Here, let me save you lots of time and money:

Forget the potions, elixirs and powders. Eat a balanced diet. Exercise by doing useful things.

You’re welcome.”

—————

We got it Sail (for the second time) vitamins aren’t your thing.

For the rest of us that have 5 bucks and never want a cold again (C-19?) take 5000 IU’s of Vitamin D-3 daily.

It’s been 13 years with nothing more than a runny nose. For those looking at options (clearly, not you Sail) Calgary’s #77 is on the right track.

—————

“Hey, that’s cool. Everyone has superstitions.

This might blow your mind, though: adults who have been around lots of people their whole life stop getting colds and flus around age 40 or so because there are only so many varieties out there. Is that about when your vitamin-enhanced ‘immunity’ started? Hmmmm….”
——————————-
Fascinating stuff Sail.

So I wonder why the D-3 had the same effect on my 12 year old daughter, when she started taking it, 12 years ago?

Probably just superior genetics…
_____________________________________

unless you have a deficiency, you’re wasting you $$$ taking vitamins. expensive urine is what you get out of it. and maybe a bonus placebo effect

#242 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 12:00 pm

#176 Cowtown Oil Dude you get to go into your Canadian Tire? Not so in Ontariowe. Here’s how it works:

– Order online via their slow as molasses web site.
– Await order placed email. It might take hours to arrive leading you to think order was no good; you place order again. Bad move.
– You go online to try and cancel the 2nd, extra, order. No luck that section is unavailable online today. Call in, wait 1 hour on hold.
– The next time you order you realize you ordered the wrong item. This cannot be altered online. Call in wait 1 hour on hold.

– Wait a Week for the pick up email. Go to store in person. Wait in outside pickup line. Wait they close at 6pm! What kind of major store closes at 6pm all week?
I’ll tell you. A store that is friends of The Party. See they are favoured and are allowed to remain open. Customer service? PFffft. This is communism: They are the only open game in town for most items. Fill in order card. Wait a week, pray shelves are not bare.

– Realize you forgot to order item? Oh boy back to the moslasses web site. Hope it works. Wait a WEEK for your new rations to arrive. This Kanadain Kommunism.

– CERB: They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.

#243 BrianT on 05.08.20 at 12:21 pm

#241FYI-that is what all the doctors say (that is what they are taught)-every doctor I have met is in terrible physical condition for their age-I am sure there are some that are interested in optimizing health but most are into money and secondarily treating sick/injured people. The daily recommended dose of Vitamin C is about enough to keep you from getting scurvy-which is all you need according to medical doctors and Big Pharma.

#244 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:22 pm

Emergency wage subsidy extended beyond June.

How many employers drop wages temporarily by 25%, so basically the government pays their employees?

#245 Commenter on 05.08.20 at 12:22 pm

#213

Your idea is right but the math is wrong. Death rate is deaths/cases. In Alberta that about 112/6000 = 1.9%. Of course it’s not actually 1.9% because we’ve counted all the deaths but not found all the cases. Learning how many cases we have is crucial to deciding next step. See post #111 for estimate of the real death rate.

#246 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 12:27 pm

#193 Sail Away on 05.07.20 at 11:40 pm
#130 MF on 05.07.20 at 7:42 pm
#124 Sail away on 05.07.20 at 7:30 pm

“Hey, I just go with the formula that’s worked for all life on the planet ever: if it tastes good, eat it. If your body needs it, it will taste good.”

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-Actually it’s probably the opposite that’s true. If it tastes bad, it’s probably healthy

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Actually, the belief that things that taste bad are somehow generally healthier than things that taste good is.. how do I say this tactfully… pure bullshit.

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Further to this, there’s something we can learn from our dogs:

Give a dog lettuce. He won’t eat it because it doesn’t taste good to him and he is under no societal pressure to conform. Now give him bacon. What happened?

Now try this: give a person something with all goodness removed and tell them it’s healthy. Say skim milk. Many will override their innate desire and conform. Foolishness. I regularly ridicule people who use skim milk in coffee instead of delicious cream. They deserve it.

#247 Deplorable Dude on 05.08.20 at 12:28 pm

#228 Sold Out “Not everyone who applied for CERB is unemployed; many people have been furloughed and are missing their usual income, but have not lost their jobs.”

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Or in my Son’s case, got his hours reduced to < $1000/month so he can claim CERB. He’s gone from around $1800 month to $3000/month.

I suspect many minimum wage workers have done the same.

#248 IHCTD9 on 05.08.20 at 12:31 pm

#237 45north on 05.08.20 at 11:15 am
IHCTD9: Out in the glacial till of the Southern Ontario badlands, we call a 350sf steel box – a garden shed.

I wouldn’t call Dummer Township, Southern Ontario

Ok… Thanks for the heads up.

#249 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:39 pm

Equity markets are 33% higher than six weeks ago. That’s impressive. Investors who ignored the virus will do just fine. – Garth

Impressive for sure. Especially, since unemployment is also up from six week ago, more than half of US population is not working and plenty of corporations stopped providing guidance about their earnings.

If we all stopped working equity markets might be up by 66% in an other six weeks from now.

I explained why. – Garth

#250 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:41 pm

Sail Away is the new Smoking Man.

#251 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:45 pm

#249 akashic record

I explained why. – Garth

Yeah… I used it as the basis for the projection.

#252 Don Guillermo on 05.08.20 at 12:54 pm

#242 TurnerNation on 05.08.20 at 12:00 pm
#176 Cowtown Oil Dude you get to go into your Canadian Tire? Not so in Ontariowe. Here’s how it works:
– Order online via their slow as molasses web site.
– Await order placed email. It might take hours to arrive leading you to think order was no good; you place order again. Bad move.
– You go online to try and cancel the 2nd, extra, order. No luck that section is unavailable online today. Call in, wait 1 hour on hold.
– The next time you order you realize you ordered the wrong item. This cannot be altered online. Call in wait 1 hour on hold.
– Wait a Week for the pick up email. Go to store in person. Wait in outside pickup line. Wait they close at 6pm! What kind of major store closes at 6pm all week?
I’ll tell you. A store that is friends of The Party. See they are favoured and are allowed to remain open. Customer service? PFffft. This is communism: They are the only open game in town for most items. Fill in order card. Wait a week, pray shelves are not bare.
– Realize you forgot to order item? Oh boy back to the moslasses web site. Hope it works. Wait a WEEK for your new rations to arrive. This Kanadain Kommunism.
– CERB: They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work
****************************************

Next you’re going to tell us you go into smelly beer stores that use conveyor belts to deliver your beer. Yikes!

#253 BrianT on 05.08.20 at 1:00 pm

#246Sail-no one with any knowledge at all thinks skimmed cows milk is health food-this isn’t 1960-it is 2020. Jeez.

#254 Blacksheep on 05.08.20 at 1:04 pm

FYI # 241,

Fascinating stuff Sail.

So I wonder why the D-3 had the same effect on my 12 year old daughter, when she started taking it, 12 years ago?

Probably just superior genetics…
_____________________________________
“unless you have a deficiency, you’re wasting you $$$ taking vitamins. expensive urine is what you get out of it. and maybe a bonus placebo effect”
——————————————–
Here, FYI feels the need to state the obvious.

So lets recap, no vitamin D for:

1) Sail
2) FYI

Got it…

#255 MF on 05.08.20 at 1:11 pm

250 akashic record on 05.08.20 at

Sail Away is the new Stan also lol

MF

#256 NoName on 05.08.20 at 1:39 pm

While we here are in a deep thoughts about diet, vitamins, lard and vegetables, somewhere else some “scientists” are pumping man with estrogen and progesterone…

https://www.livescience.com/covid19-trial-tests-sex-hormone-treatment.html

#257 LP on 05.08.20 at 1:42 pm

#246 Sail Away on 05.08.20 at 12:27 pm

Many years ago in a magazine article about successfull weight loss diets, Barbra Streisand was quoted as saying: “If it tastes, smells, or looks good…spit it out.”

#258 Ronaldo on 05.08.20 at 1:45 pm

#182 Pent up demand on 05.07.20 at 10:37 pm
Thanks for the post Garth
Here on Vancouver Island
Wow Ka bang!
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Agree totally. Noticed the same thing. Traffic galore. People out on the beach enjoying the great weather. Hiking trails, lots of people happily strolling along. Time to get on with it. No worse than the regular flu. Stop listening to the NNM. (Negative News Media). Nobody we know are aware of anyone having contracted this and hospital is a dead zone and has been since the lockdown.

#259 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 1:48 pm

#250 akashic record on 05.08.20 at 12:41 pm

Sail Away is the new Smoking Man.

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#255 MF on 05.08.20 at 1:11 pm

Sail Away is the new Stan also lol

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It is a very human tendency to place people in a box they understand, and in almost all cases when they do this, the box is one to which they themselves feel superior in some way.

Here’s some wisdom for you both: That box only applies to the person who created it in their mind. One should never, ever assume it is reality, and likewise, should never try to treat someone according to their own perception.

A quick story:

In my infantry squad, there was a easygoing farmboy private with a gigantic head. So big that we nicknamed him Brunswick, after the bowling ball.

We also had specialist Ratchford, who was a bit of a smartass, and liked to place people in boxes. Ratchford decided Brunswick was an easy target, and because he outranked him in addition to thinking he was far smarter, constantly rode Brunswick, making him do pushups, ridiculing him in front of others, demanding pointless chores, etc. Brunswick took it all, sort of like Fred Flintstone.

Then… during a boring morning in the field between maneuvers, we set up the standard wrestling circle and called out each other, or pitted folks against each other by popular acclaim.

Ratchford and Brunswick were called out… within 5 seconds, Ratchford had been helicoptered and body slammed, then again and again. After that, Brunswick tied him in knots and demonstrated an endless array of excruciatingly painful wrestling moves: the fishhook, the jaw gouge, armbar, ankle lock, kimora… Ratchford was in absolute agony for a long time. Our platoon sergeant kept it going by requesting new moves. It was a great fun.

Turned out Brunswick was a fairly accomplished Iowa wrestler.

Perception vs. reality. Be careful with it.

#260 Figure it Out on 05.08.20 at 1:53 pm

“Give a dog lettuce.”

Your genes don’t care whether you live to 35 or 80. Once they’ve reproduced, they have no further use for you. So no genetic pressure selecting against behaviour leading to a massive coronary at 40.

Your dog’s genes have been under stupid selection pressure for thousands of years, much of which has been anathema to the species’ independent survival, but helpful to its chances of being carried around in a purse.

If we wanted lettuce eating dogs, we’d have ’em by now.

#261 Ronaldo on 05.08.20 at 1:56 pm

#198 Kaleycat on 05.08.20 at 12:03 am
Waiting at an A&W I couldn’t help but notice several HELP WANTED signs. At the window I asked, weren’t there lots unemployed people in this small town?
Yes. 13 of the 17 A&W employees are home, enjoying a paid vacation, and won’t come in for work. The manager said she finally sent them all a letter this week saying that either they come to work or she was sending out separation slips that say “quit” on them.

Wonder how many of our CERB collecting, recently unemployed, are this kind?
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Yes indeed. My son who has a business has already run into this problem. This will be a big problem for the service industry in getting back to business. Paid vacations exactly. And you can bet that some parents will encourage the stay at home with a top up to their $2000 govt allowance.

#262 JonBoy on 05.08.20 at 1:58 pm

#152 crowdedelevatorfartz

I could never understand why she didn’t avail herself of the generous dental plan offered by the Federal and Provincial Parliamentary budgets……
The poor gal could chew an apple through a tennis racket.

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I died laughing when I read that, then immediately forwarded it to someone else. Best line EVER!

#263 Ronaldo on 05.08.20 at 1:59 pm

#201 igb on 05.08.20 at 1:28 am
Markets have bounced back significantly this year but are still below earlier highs. Just curious how your balanced portfolio has performed ytd or what in your opinion is considered to be acceptable.
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minus 2.47 ytd.

#264 MF on 05.08.20 at 2:03 pm

259 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 1:48 pm

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I was just going by posting quantity alone.

MF

#265 Ronaldo on 05.08.20 at 2:04 pm

#208 John in Mtl on 05.08.20 at 7:44 am
@ #188 Ronaldo on 05.07.20 at 10:58 pm

This is Millennial Realist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00FDR1E0zvE

Good laugh, thanks Ronaldo.
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Very welcome. Couldn’t stop laughing. This guy is hilarious. You will note that he has many other videos on various subjects. Huge following.

#266 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 2:42 pm

#264 MF on 05.08.20 at 2:03 pm
259 Sail away on 05.08.20 at 1:48 pm

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I was just going by posting quantity alone.

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It’s just a story.

They bubble out of me… crowdedelevatorfartz understands the continuous need to release.

#267 Stephan on 05.08.20 at 4:37 pm

Hi Garth – I very much value your financial and economic expertise. And of course I still follow and value the humour in your blog posts. However, today’s statement about ‘Anti-Vaxxers’, I find somewhat too simplified. Having a daughter who sustained serious vaccine injuries (and could have died from it), I (having also studied medicine) would like to remind you that being pro or anti vaccine, is not a topic that is as black and white as it seems. Especially the research on the current Corona Virus focuses heavily on RNA vaccines which can have very serious complications.

#268 Sam Wier on 05.08.20 at 11:07 pm

232 not 1st , correct, some others lost the point or partially.

The CERB application did not ask or differentiate on status of employment except that you are unemployed, within 14 days and had made $5000 in prior year. so government doesn’t know whether claimant is faking or not. The application was three questions. So where are the remaining 5 million uncounted? And where are the millions of alt- status unemployed shut out by regulation? I call BS !!’

Trudeau is obviously lying here. Seven million applied and only 2 million counted? Why is media not speaking out?

#269 Anna on 05.09.20 at 4:54 am

Regarding getting any vaccine, I responded “Not sure”, though have taken every other vaccine available as needed, often get the flu shot each year and have worked in the pharmaceutical sector most of my career. In other words, I would certainly not consider myself an “anti-cachet”. I think the concern many people have with any vaccine against coronavirus is that it won’t have had long-term studies to prove its safety and development and testing are being rushed. In 2009 with the Swine flu (H1N1), the vaccine developed and used in Europe caused Narcolepsy in some children who took it (see link to a report from the US Center for Disease Control). If I am in a very low risk group, and by the time a vaccine is available a large % of us will have had this virus anyway (some herd immunity built up), why would I take the risk of getting a vaccine that doesn’t have long-term safety data?

(https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html)