Bowed, unbroken

Balcony ballading helped keep Italians sane during the lockdown.

Before the virus attacked New York City, propelling mortality numbers higher, Italy was the epicenter of the pandemic. North American media was filled with viz of caskets, terrified health care workers, army trucks hauling off bodies and deserted urban landscapes. The country, we were assured, was completely pooched. Overwhelmed. Infected. Lost.

But, just a few weeks later, the Italian economy has started to reopen. Yesterday, in fact. Does this give us hope? What lessons are there for Canada?  Did the media lie, or at least exaggerate?

  GreaterFool’s irascible, mercurial yet meticulous and trusted on-the-ground correspondent is Dolce Vita. We asked him some pointed questions. – Garth

How did it feel to live through the hot zone of a pandemic?

My region was not hard hit but I dwell next door to hard-hit Veneto region. I only go out to shop/take garbage out 1/week all in 1 trip – I gown up with gloves, mask (look like an ICU worker, disinfect when I get home after, just like one).

Have to put up with that infernal Civilian Protection Agency van driving by each day blaring “Stay inside etc.”, duh, and having to read Tweeted replies by the American Far Right that have rotting teeth, recently telling me that the Italian lockdown “typical for Fascist Italy” stating “Give me freedom, or give me death” (how they got to that from social distancing is beyond me) also taunted by them for having a “Socialist” Public Healthcare System (yesterday, I hate to admit it but I Tweeted to them and inquired how their Private System was doing? No responses yet). And how did we turn Socialist a few Tweets after being Fascist?

Other than that Garth, pretty darn good.

How will the economy start reviving this week?

Firstly for those that do not know, yesterday (April 14) Italy went into its Phase I of returning back to normal (noticeably more traffic from outside that morning). Complete and extensive list here, by trustworthy La Repubblica:

If you look at the three broad categories in the list, they are subsets of the three main Italian GDP Sectors: Agriculture: 2.2% (2017 est.), Industry: 23.9% (2017 est.) and Services: 73.9% (2017 est.).

What I see in the list is Retail Trade, about €286113 Million or 12.5% of total GDP Nominal (€1.9 Trillion) plus Agriculture and some Industry, mostly manufacturing about 4% GDP. My guess is that 18% maybe 20% of the economy loosened up. The big bonus here I believe is that lots of people employed in the Services Industry will benefit the most returning to their jobs and getting a paycheck they can spend, which is good for the economy (Hospitality Industry, 14% of GDP, remains closed). Anyone not in those industries will still be subject to lockdown and returning workers have to practice distancing, masks, gloves etc.

May 3rd, 4th? This will be Phase II where it is expected the rest or a substantial amount of the economy and remaining workers will go back to work, again with distancing etc. Task Force working on it as I type. We’ll know the details within the next 2 weeks I am sure.

Media painted Italy as a basket case of poor planning & lousy health care with bodies stacked in the street. Was this accurate?

NO, ABSOLUTELY NO. Bergamo hardest hit in all of Italy and all you saw on MSM’s in Europe and N. America was Bergamo, Bergamo, Bergamo. Yet, it never collapsed – and they laid themselves bare in a time of terrific turmoil, tears, so the World could see how bad C19 was and to PREPARE, LEARN from what was happening there. Military helped haul away caskets, too many for funary locally to do it and they ran out of burial places in Bergamo. Outside of Lombardy & Veneto (to an extent), Italy was fine. Then later, originally aghast America at Bergamo, starts piling dead bodies in refrigerator trucks outside its NYC hospitals. I could go on, that’s enough.

What can Italy teach Canada now?

1. Italia today starts to be the Canary in the Coal Mine opening up its economy. Learn from the mistakes Italy will make and follow its successes. Get the Government of Canada to PLAN AHEAD for some time in Summer. Proactive, not Reactive. You have months to observe and learn.
2. Stop any bitching at Ottawa the provinces. 20/20 hindsight, clairvoyance not even Superman can do better – they are only human. Besides they are shoving all kinds of money your way, so at least show some gratitude (way more than Italy did).
3. It isn’t over until the voluptuous lady sings, Pandemics come in waves, pay no attention to the “glimmer of hope” crowd for now, instead, wait until your Rt ? 1 like Italy’s THEN celebrate, just a bit. In the meantime keep BUCKLING DOWN CANADA and BEAT those Government of Canada projections. Count the glimmer of hope moments in this flattening chart I went thru for the past month, only to be dashed the day after (my chart):

Almost forgot, listen to Garth, he’s a whiz at this where it seems most of the Cdn. MSM walking in a cloud, mesmerized by the events around them, doing no useful acute analysis, merely parroting what others say for the most part. When the going gets tough, the tough get going…Garth is the latter.
One last lesson:

Italia is down on her knees, BUT not out.

Here is what that has come to (poignant, well known song, sung by an Italian opera singer in English, in front of Il Duomo di Milano):

After writing this, I had a good cry for the first time since C19 began to ravage my Bella Italia and its people.

Thanks Garth, I needed that and you always seem to know what is best. – Dolce Vita

 

295 comments ↓

#1 NFN_NLN on 04.15.20 at 1:28 pm

Canadian Federal Government knew of the pandemic and didn’t close down flights from infected Wuhan.

Trudeau keeps international flights without proper testing. Unenforced honor system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFxEHmf3Bg

#2 NFN_NLN on 04.15.20 at 1:35 pm

Does anyone remember this?

“We don’t expect to STOP the virus, it’s a matter of FLATTENING THE CURVE to slow the number of critical patients. ”

“It’s all about FLATTENING THE CURVE. We don’t expect to stop the virus. We can’t stop the virus.”

Hospitals are empty, critical cases are going down. Shouldn’t we be loosening up restrictions to build up heard immunity?

Now all of sudden we are waiting for a vaccine?!!? Reduce large gatherings, reduce concerts and sporting events and conventions for now, but otherwise get back to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgzm_N_CVoM&t=423s

#3 BrianT on 04.15.20 at 1:38 pm

Where did this SJW get the idea that rotting teeth is a Right Wing thing? Nancy Pelosi has a vast fortune and she still is stuck wearing dentures that give Nancy a lot of grief-and Nancy is your Left Wing Goddess.

#4 paulo on 04.15.20 at 1:38 pm

WoW deep and moving. excellent article dolce,
you get a ticket in first class section

#5 Emile on 04.15.20 at 1:38 pm

Thanks for the context guys. I do wish there was a better plan to reopen here in NB; where the cases never really materialized other than the travel related ones; contact tracing was pretty successful; and there have not been any cases to speak of recently. There is no reason we can’t start cracking open on the restrictions.

#6 Dirty Dan on 04.15.20 at 1:39 pm

Pandemic Comparison: Probability and Number of Deaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v743pmwuPIY

Black Death 33% of people die = Pandemic
COVID-19 15% of elderly die (2% population) = Par for the course.

#7 Dirty debtor on 04.15.20 at 1:41 pm

Ok garth so if we write a suck up piece this enormous we get to take the entire blog post. Got it.

Not sure how credible this post is. The first question was how his experience is to live through this in Italy. Half of DVs reply was around his own angst and anger in regards to American Twitter users. If my dementia ridden grandmother would have responded that way, I would get it. But I wouldn’t expect my dementia ridden grandmother to be selected as a trusted foreign correspondent for a high traffic site like this

#8 Erica on 04.15.20 at 1:43 pm

First!!!

#9 TheDood on 04.15.20 at 1:51 pm

Italia! Viva Italia!

Thumbs up Dolce!

#10 Niall on 04.15.20 at 1:55 pm

Thanks Dolce Vita for a balanced and interesting perspective — and thanks Garth for the always-interesting blog.

To the rest of the steerage section, esp. the commenters who posted before me: go get some fresh air! The diesel fumes are making you loopy.

#11 Marco on 04.15.20 at 1:59 pm

Bowed, unbroken
Great title.
BTW, what is percentage of testing, Canada vs Italy?
Holocaust happens to retirement communities in both countries

#12 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm

I forgot to thank you.

-Thank you.

#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm

Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/15/stay-home-protest-michigan-capitol-opposition-whitmer-order-coronavirus/2989230001/

#14 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 2:04 pm

Thanks Dolce.

A little gratuitous, since rotting teeth are a medical concern, not a character flaw. It’s sort of like taunting pneumonia victims for not being able to breathe.

Did anyone you know either contract Covid or expire?

#15 Penny Henny on 04.15.20 at 2:04 pm

#270 Steven Rowlandson on 04.15.20 at 1:55 pm
Just trying to apply for CERB money set off my BS detector. I’ll likely tough it out. Just glad I don’t have all the expenses that come from trying to live in Canada. The benefits of living in a Honda Civic.
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Ha stair builder extraordinaire.
Honda Civic, what happened to the pick up?

#16 Paul on 04.15.20 at 2:04 pm

#252 Paul on 04.15.20 at 11:31 am
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Sorry wrong analogy, frustrated

#17 BrianT on 04.15.20 at 2:08 pm

Jimmy Dore is my favorite Left Wing media guy-I don’t agree with Jimmy on anything but at least he often tries to tell the truth-which lets face it is unheard of on the Left-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhzhCKw60Y

#18 Bezengy on 04.15.20 at 2:08 pm

Dolce..I skip a lot of posts, but yours are always worth taking the time to read them. Thank you.

I’m keeping my eye on Sweden. Much higher death rate than Canada, but I have a hunch the long term result may be different. For now social distancing is saving lives though, no question about it.

#19 just a dude on 04.15.20 at 2:09 pm

Dolce Vita, thank you much for sharing your experience. Your words of encouragement are greatly appreciated.

Your comment about Canada planning ahead really resonated with me as I was speaking with a colleague earlier today about this very point. I’m in complete agreement – we have a golden opportunity here in Canada to observe, learn, figure out ways of protecting our most vulnerable (huge improvements needed there) and assembling a detailed plan for slowly ramping up this economy of ours in the coming weeks.

All the best to you and our Italian friends. Coraggio!

#20 Faron on 04.15.20 at 2:11 pm

Wow, thanks for putting this together Garth. Thanks DV.

#21 Stan Brooks on 04.15.20 at 2:23 pm

It seems food prices are about to increase significantly, when you read 15 %, expect much more. Note that is without the calculated depreciation of the loonie/7 + % YTD.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-the-reality-about-food-and-drug-shortages-due-to-covid-19

The cumulative effect, according to a recent report by the CD Howe Institute, is likely to be food price increases estimated at between 10-15 per cent. That number is not helped by the depreciation of a Canadian dollar that has fallen seven per cent since the start of this year, relative to the U.S. dollar.

Canadians will have enough food to eat. But it will be more expensive.

And the beauty of it?

‘Inflation’ will be as always sub 2 % so all is good folks!

Cheers,

#22 Jenn on 04.15.20 at 2:24 pm

Great post Dolce Vita. Very generous glimpse into what must have been a very challenging time for you. I have very much admired Italy’s spirit and how they have been so open with the rest of the world trying to help all of us take this virus seriously so we don’t go through what you went through. I have admired their cheering of health workers and the balcony singing. Lovely, loving culture! I agree with the comment that we are very lucky to have the Government support we have had. I’m not a Liberal but I am very proud of our Government both Federal and Provincial and of our excellent Chief Medical Officer of Health. Many of our leaders have really stepped up and shown us what leadership is and it’s surely not what the US has in their Pres. We are very blessed to be in Canada. Great post, thank-you.

#23 Penny Henny on 04.15.20 at 2:27 pm

Dolce this song is for you.

Ryan Paris – Dolce Vita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weMrzt6W8V8

#24 Pete from St. Cesaire on 04.15.20 at 2:32 pm

The food supply chain is in for a rough time. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/14/phase-five-supply-chain-with-a-message-from-a-dairy-farmer/

#25 Faron on 04.15.20 at 2:33 pm

#259 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 12:14 pm

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“General agreement with policy is not apologist in any way. Completely different definitions.”

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Apologist: a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial

Trump has repeatedly failed to condemn violence at his own rallies yet his supporters will either ignore this or claim there’s nothing wrong with that. He failed to unequivocally condemn the white supremacist fool who mowed down protesters in Charleston. He consistently expresses hate toward the left and often does so with violent innuendo. He recently stated that he has “total control”. I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to extend that form of nationalism to something worse when his base of morons continue to stand behind him despite all of these messes.

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“policy agreement”

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He would have to have policy for that to be the case. Meaning: planned and carefully deliberated actions that arise with the support of expert advisors and carefully weigh the costs and benefits of his constituency. Trump flies by the seat of his pants, ignores anyone who doesn’t espouse his beliefs, lets non sequiturs fly at every opportunity and only seems to care about the stock market which is equivalent to caring only for about 10% of the US population. Ironically, his base are disproportionately unlikely to hold stocks.

Why the hell would he revoke funding for the WHO? Oh yeah, because he needs a scapegoat. Yet, again, his supporters will fall in rank behind him and start commiserating about all the terrible things the WHO has done. Like promoting womens health, like supporting vaccination programs.

#26 Handsome Ned on 04.15.20 at 2:38 pm

If Dolce Vita can break the protocols about abusive and disrespectful stereotypes, so can I. Tell him I have a mint condition Italian army rifle for sale…never fired, dropped once.

#27 JB on 04.15.20 at 2:40 pm

#103 Smoking Man on 04.14.20 at 6:26 pm

Trump just suspended finding to WHO.

Nice !!!!!
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Yes that made perfect sense to me :(
WTF?

#28 CJohnC on 04.15.20 at 2:44 pm

Great post Dolce Vita. I always enjoy your posts and comments in steerage. The rednecks will be out hunting for you today.

#29 mike from mtl on 04.15.20 at 2:46 pm

#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm
Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!
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Thank goodness, this government sponsored staycation is getting silly.

Even closer to home, here in QC hotspot, the majority (3/4) of deaths are from old folks homes. Again these figures are highly misleading, just because you’re tested positive but dead does not mean you’ve succumbed to it.

Thing is if you’re 70+ and in questionable overall health it doesn’t take much.

#30 Lucky lee on 04.15.20 at 2:50 pm

Garth. When someone leaves a comment about the truth please stop deleting it. I know that liberals and Canada are making people really really really really soft thanks.

No idea of what you speak. – Garth

#31 JB on 04.15.20 at 2:51 pm

#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm

Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/15/stay-home-protest-michigan-capitol-opposition-whitmer-order-coronavirus/2989230001/
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Yes I am so happy for them, they should have a group hug and chug some brews at the ballpark together. Yep that should do it Michigan. Lets see now couple of hundred a$$hole protesters, gather them together and viola a couple of hundred more drains on the medical system at least until they croak. I’m surprised they didn’t fire off their pistols into the air and screech like Indians circling the wagon.
Detroit — Another 45 Detroiters have died of coronavirus and the city’s overall confirmed case total is 7,141.
The deaths reported Wednesday by Detroit’s Health Department are up from 33 reported the day prior. There have been 469 deaths in the city now attributed to the COVID-19 outbreak.

#32 Nah! on 04.15.20 at 2:53 pm

For those who do not understand the exponential nature of the distance thing, it goes something like this; at its maximum possibility just carry through from 1 . It goes like this… 1×1 2×2 etc…4.8.64.4096. 1,677,721.
From 1 carrier to over a million in 6 moves. Yes, this is unlikely but you can figure the reason of the potential. To lesson and flatten the curve just stay distanced……

#33 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 2:53 pm

#14 Sail away

Nobody Sail away, thank God. And, thank you for asking. That was nice of you.

Sail away if you had read some of the Twitter Comments from the extreme US Right, I tell you…enough to drive anyone nuts. They really are crazy people. One intimated about his shooting prowess…

Then there were the National Pride crazy people from other EU countries. I ‘ll not post the Twitter Comments, infuriating. All because I Tweeted in late Feb., early Mar. what was happening here and to prepare.

I’ll leave the rest to your imgaination.

#34 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 2:55 pm

#266 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 12:52 pm
#263 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 12:26 pm
#229 Sail Away on 04.15.20 at 10:12 am
#222 OK, Doomer on 04.15.20 at 9:43 am

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Re: Sold Out

Don’t be too hard on SO

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Well, it seems more Americans share my opinion than yours.

Cult #45’s approval rating sinking lower than Jimmy Carter’s

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My opinion? My only stated opinion is that it’s good Trump donates his salary to charity… The rest was all you.

My opinion still is that donating his salary to charity is good. You seem to disagree with this.

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Wrong, again. Cult #45 doesn’t donate his salary to charity. He donates it to government, mainly to departments that have seen budget cuts under his administration.

Like Public Health and Pandemic Response.

http://thenationshealth.aphapublications.org/content/49/3/1.2

https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/president-s-2021-health-and-human-services-budget

#35 Stan Brooks on 04.15.20 at 3:02 pm

Dolce Vita,

Greetings,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1gcjuhlhg

#36 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:03 pm

By the way Garth & All…

This today from Statcan “Gross domestic product by industry: Nowcast, March 2020”:

“The flash estimate for GDP indicates a decline of approximately 9% in March…this would be the largest one-month decline in GDP, since the series started in 1961…this flash estimate of GDP leads to an approximate decline of 2.6% for the first quarter of 2020.”

Grim but it will be short lived as Canada, well on its way, lowers its transmissibility ratio to about 1 and with some planning ahead to open the economy back up, I still say Q4 will see the turnaround, bounce back.

#37 Dee on 04.15.20 at 3:04 pm

Great post Garth! Just wondering how we become “PROACTIVE” when we have a left leaning media and government selling “FEAR” and “DRAMA” all day long? Being proactive means “PLANNING” !!! I’m still waiting to see the plan??? Over 30 million people have died from the hiv/aids VIRUS but last time I checked, people were still having sex. They protect themselves and carry on with life. Which is what we could be doing with this years latest virus. Protect the vulnerable and the rest of us, Wash your hands, wear a mask and lets get back to work already!!

#38 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 3:06 pm

Oops, forgot a link.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/trump-donates-his-2019-q4-salary-to-help-combat-coronavirus.html

#39 Stoph on 04.15.20 at 3:07 pm

Just because you tested negative to covid-19, doesn’t mean it didn’t kill you.

Once this has all passed, a statistical analysis of ‘excess deaths’ may provide the best metric on how many people succumbed due to the virus.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-not-everyone-who-dies-of-the-pandemic-will-die-of-covid-19?video_autoplay=true

#40 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:07 pm

#28 CJohnC

Thank you and others that expressed thanks.

No rebutting today. Got clawed real bad last time by Garth’s red meat loving lions.

Learnt my lesson.

#41 BrianT on 04.15.20 at 3:07 pm

On a positive note-there is a lot to complain about how Canada is being run right now but thank god we are not Italy-the level of corruption and sheer ineptitude of the Italian government is world famous and rightfully so.

#42 Jaxville on 04.15.20 at 3:12 pm

Considering the character of the people behind the vaccine movement, I will never get that vax even if every other person in my neighborhood was tipping over from the virus.
Something really stinks about that whole thing.

#43 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 3:12 pm

#33 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 2:53 pm
#14 Sail away

Nobody Sail away, thank God. And, thank you for asking. That was nice of you.

Sail away if you had read some of the Twitter Comments from the extreme US Right, I tell you…enough to drive anyone nuts. They really are crazy people. One intimated about his shooting prowess…

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Good. Glad to hear it.

And I don’t doubt in the slightest that the comments went way over the top. I lived in Tennessee/Kentucky/Georgia for 6 years while in the Army and know the mindset.

#44 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 3:14 pm

Wow Garth. Looks like you have another outbreak of the Bubble Wrappers, Trump Deranged, and Liberal Apologists.

Why don’t all of you go cower under your beds and let the adults go back to work.

#45 John on 04.15.20 at 3:15 pm

So let’s add National Take Out Day to National
Stupidity Day.
Has any one considered the potential for disaster here?
How about the cook with the runny nose?
How about the fact the odds are almost zero they have a N-95 mask and gloves on.
People are aware that this virus can live for days on surfaces?
Or the cloths that the employees are wearing
This is so stupid I can’t believe it.

#46 RyYYZ on 04.15.20 at 3:20 pm

“2. Stop any bitching at Ottawa the provinces. 20/20 hindsight, clairvoyance not even Superman can do better – they are only human. Besides they are shoving all kinds of money your way, so at least show some gratitude (way more than Italy did).”

Our so-called leaders and experts apparently didn’t learn anything from observing what happened in China and Italy before us, and I doubt if they’ll learn anything from their examples now. It didn’t take clairvoyance to see what was coming – we could see it in China and Italy. No, they failed us, and I’m not convinced in their competence going forward (wasn’t convinced of it before all this happened). Particularly the federal government, but Ontario’s hasn’t been a lot better.

#47 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 3:20 pm

#34 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 2:55 pm

Wrong, again. Cult #45 doesn’t donate his salary to charity. He donates it to government…

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Semantics. From Forbes:

“Earlier this week, Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham took to Twitter to announce that President Trump had once again donated his salary to charity, this time contributing his 2019 4th quarter paycheck of $100,000 to the federal government’s Department of Health and Human Services.”

#48 Trojan House on 04.15.20 at 3:20 pm

So Garth, you’re essentially letting a social distance warrior write a post on this? “I gown up with gloves, mask…” Reminds me of the picture of a few posts ago of the person suited up in full scuba gear, ha ha.

“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” Plato

We have been handcuffed by fear. Even the politicians make decisions based on fear. Governing by fear is no way to govern. Ford here in Ontario has extended the closures.

That being said, I have relatives in northern and southern Italy. Although relatively few cases outside of where DV talks about, the whole country was on lockdown. People in southern Italy were getting fed up with it and it was the mafia that were apparently starting feed people, etc.

Also, no mention from DV of how the government was reporting its cases. By its own admission, everybody who died of respiratory diseases were classified as CV-19. It will take Italy, no every country, years to get an actual count of how many people died BECAUSE of the disease and not just those who died WITH the disease. It is a very important distinction.

#49 Why on 04.15.20 at 3:21 pm

“Thanks Garth, I needed that and you always seem to know what is best. – Dolce Vita”

Why that last suck-up? Given that Trump’s people have started doing that, it does not make Garth look good, one could infer from that he has the same syndrome. Please just stick with the useful information.

Suck-ups are good. Try one. – Garth

#50 Oakville Sucks on 04.15.20 at 3:24 pm

Sold all stock positions yesterday. Glad I did. Won’t be buying in until economic indicators suggest I should. Nobody knows what we’re heading into….especially the US.

#51 mark on 04.15.20 at 3:24 pm

#30 Lucky lee on 04.15.20 at 2:50 pm
Garth. When someone leaves a comment about the truth please stop deleting it. I know that liberals and Canada are making people really really really really soft thanks.

No idea of what you speak. – Garth

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Come on Garth, We all know the owner always has the last word, thought, censorship. Guess we are all idiots.

Deletions and trashings are done carefully, sporadically, rarely and with profound reason. The Internet teems with blogs. You are welcome to migrate if this one hurts your head. – Garth

#52 Howard on 04.15.20 at 3:26 pm

Thanks Dolce Vita for the update.

Here in France cases and deaths are still soaring. Lockdown to continue until May 11th.

It’s quite lovely traversing Paris (in the 1km radius beyond home that we are permitted) in beautiful weather and no tourists.

#53 My experiences C19 on 04.15.20 at 3:29 pm

First, thanks Garth
Out of 32 posts the majority say thank you!

Here’s my experiences of C19

First the comment made about not knowing anyone with C19, why would you? 28,000 cases 37.5 million people.
Vancouver island 80 odd cases 1.5 million people.
4,000 empty hospital beds.
Actually almost all the cases yesterday, 35 in BC 80 percent I believe are from retirement homes and federal prisons. So it’s as good as over. Two weeks after zero new cases.

Second I think I had C19 but I will never know
Almost 60 I had a dry cough, no fever, I had zero energy and would fall asleep in the middle of the day. Had the sniffles. I stay at home and social distance, only came in contact with the gardener as I was shovelling beside him with I thought was six feet, but you know passing someone to get by.

Third
This via a friend of mine had to go to emergency non C19 had to talk on her cell phone to a doctor. Wow! That’s scary.

Forth
I drove by Home Depot, the line was so long I left, went to Canadian tire the parking lot was full I left.
Pent up demand is coming sooner than you think

Finally the only effect was the stock market, lost 100,000 and then gained backed 85,000 all in four weeks. Crazy wild swings. One account is back to the way it was Dec 31, which is good enough for me.

Okay enough said,
Good post on someone’s else’s experiences.
My predictions back in March still stands, it will mostly be over end of April back to work June first, but I believe it will be in phases now. Which makes sense.

Be safe everyone.

#54 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 3:29 pm

#37 Dee on 04.15.20 at 3:04 pm sez:

“Great post Garth! Just wondering how we become “PROACTIVE” when we have a left leaning media and government selling “FEAR” and “DRAMA” all day long? Being proactive means “PLANNING” !!! I’m still waiting to see the plan??? Over 30 million people have died from the hiv/aids VIRUS but last time I checked, people were still having sex. They protect themselves and carry on with life. Which is what we could be doing with this years latest virus. Protect the vulnerable and the rest of us, Wash your hands, wear a mask and lets get back to work already!!”
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Thank you Dee. Finally, a voice of sanity.

#55 Brian Ripley on 04.15.20 at 3:32 pm

“Italia today starts to be the Canary in the Coal Mine opening up its economy.”Dolce Vita

There is a canary in Canada’s coal mine.

I have just updated my Employment Rate chart: http://www.chpc.biz/earnings-employment.html#Rate

Notice the employment rates in Calgary and Alberta since 2H 2008 as we headed towards the March 2008 pit of gloom and as employment in crazy town Canada boomed with the construction and FIRE industries on the back of global ZIRP and NIRP monetary policy that forced a huge credit boom.

In Canada, the March 2020 data is leveling the playing field. The credit bust will follow.

#56 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 3:33 pm

Garth, have you seen the BoC statement today? Hope you are sitting down with a shot of whiskey ready.

#57 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 3:35 pm

#36 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:03 pm

Read BoC scenario 2 before you come to a conclusion.

#58 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 3:36 pm

#48 Trojan House on 04.15.20 at 3:20 pm sez:

“So Garth, you’re essentially letting a social distance warrior write a post on this? “I gown up with gloves, mask…” Reminds me of the picture of a few posts ago of the person suited up in full scuba gear, ha ha.

“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” Plato

We have been handcuffed by fear. Even the politicians make decisions based on fear. Governing by fear is no way to govern. Ford here in Ontario has extended the closures.

That being said, I have relatives in northern and southern Italy. Although relatively few cases outside of where DV talks about, the whole country was on lockdown. People in southern Italy were getting fed up with it and it was the mafia that were apparently starting feed people, etc.

Also, no mention from DV of how the government was reporting its cases. By its own admission, everybody who died of respiratory diseases were classified as CV-19. It will take Italy, no every country, years to get an actual count of how many people died BECAUSE of the disease and not just those who died WITH the disease. It is a very important distinction.”
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Ahhhh….another post of reason. Need moar, moar! It’s a vaccine against the stupid.

#59 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:38 pm

#35 Stan Brooks

Man dear to my heart. I love Albinoni, just love his music.

Underrated, everyone likes Vivaldi and Pachelbel, and so they should…but there is something so soulful about Albinoni’s music…it cuts right to the heart.

Thank you Stan.

#60 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 3:39 pm

BoC is saying of Canadas economy doesn’t open like right now, we are looking at years before a recovery takes hold, in that time the country will lose a large portion of human and productive capital including shuttering thousands of business and loss of exporting supply chains.

If the covid models put the fear of god in our politicians, then that report should turn them white as a ghost.

I hope Garth addresses this one.

#61 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:43 pm

#52 Howard

Enjoy yourself, she is beautiful this time of year Paris is. Lucky guy.

Thank you for the update.

#62 whiplash on 04.15.20 at 3:46 pm

“Country will not return to normalcy until a vaccine is developed”. Justin Trudeau.

Dr. Michael Osterholm, Director, Centre for Infectious Disease Research(CIDRAP)

“I think that between getting effectiveness and safety data together, we’re years out. This is not going to happen soon, it’s wishful thinking”. “Look at every event, Zika in 2015, we said we would have a vaccine for it in no time. Here we are 5 years later, no vaccine”.

“The second thing to worry about is safety. There is a condition in humans called antibody dependent enhancement(ADE), it turns out if you have no antibody or immune response, you will get the disease. If you have this in between level, you will get the disease, it actually enhances the disease and immune response and is really destructive. If you have a lot your protected”.

What percentage of the population is in the protected category?

#63 Stupid on 04.15.20 at 3:51 pm

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#64 Quintilian on 04.15.20 at 3:52 pm

Subscribing to the idea that COVID 19 means the end of the world is idiotic.

But downplaying it is equally ridiculously cavalier.

The stock market can be brought back to life quite simply with a calculator, and a decree from central bankers.

The real economy, will be a different story.

Biggest elephant in the room being ignored is Canadian mortgage and consumer debt, this represents demand borrowed from the future.

#65 VicPaul on 04.15.20 at 3:56 pm

Dolce,
I had a goodly amount of lacrimal fluid well up around my eyes…no drops….gravity not involved – just a lens cleansing of sorts – in deference to the fear and dislocation people all over the world have felt these last months. Whatever lessons of response we refine in the future, the real-time lessons of personal humility have probably done the planet a collective good.
I’m getting increasingly less stoic as I age – what’s that about?

M56BC

#66 Dolce Vita on 04.15.20 at 3:58 pm

#23 Penny Henny

That was cute. You know La Dolce Vita can be found anywhere I think. It’s where the heart is. And to be content and at peace with who you are, for all that you are, good and bad.

No one is perfect, least of all me.

Take care PH I like your Comments (and your occasional tete a tetes with Sail Away, priceless).

Thank you for the video, reminded me of another time, footloose, care free in Paris (last Spring to be precise).

For once I can say “Those were the days” and I doubt few would argue otherwise.

#67 Ronaldo on 04.15.20 at 3:59 pm

#42 Jaxville on 04.15.20 at 3:12 pm
Considering the character of the people behind the vaccine movement, I will never get that vax even if every other person in my neighborhood was tipping over from the virus.
Something really stinks about that whole thing.
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Have to agree with you there Jax but you have to agree that this has been really good for the pm business. My stash is doing real well.

#68 Figure it Out on 04.15.20 at 4:01 pm

I’m in support of Trump’s defunding the WHO. The world would probably have been better of if the WHO had never gone to China and written their “everything’s mostly fine” report. I’d already stocked up on non-perishable food by the time they finally declared it a pandemic. They’ve been wrong on travel, virus transmission, face masks and much else. But they were great at disseminating China’s party line and convincing western leaders to squander precious time that could have been spent preparing and slowing the spread. Burn it down and start over.

#69 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 4:02 pm

Pierre Poilievre describing how Trudeau is like Aesop’s grasshopper, who sang and spent when the sun shined instead of filling the cupboards for the winter. Entertaining to say the least.

https://youtu.be/kW-RYOgt64I

#70 the Jaguar on 04.15.20 at 4:07 pm

The Jaguar posted on New Years eve ( missing from Garth’s archives for some reason). I asked Dolce Vita to come back to us. And today’s post demonstrates why I did so. Always good information, always hopeful and upbeat. The mangicakes are with you Dolce Vita.

#71 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 4:11 pm

Thanks for all your posts Dolce Vita. Alberta’s loss equals Italy’s gain.

#72 Swanson on 04.15.20 at 4:12 pm

Great post! A big “Grazie” to Dolce Vita.

Let’s hope our elected officials are paying close attention and learning from Italy.

#73 FreeBird on 04.15.20 at 4:12 pm

Beautiful version of Amazing Grace in a beautiful language by one of my favourite voices. Only second to the late Luciano Pavarotti who I had tickets for his last concert in Toronto the year he died. A once in a lifetime not to be. My parents loved both along with the three tenors. Bocelli also does a beautiful piano duet with son Matteo. The look of mutual pride is wonderful. Music can heal all. Grazie Dolce Vita! Stay safe.

https://youtu.be/ChcR2gKt5WM

#74 BillyBob on 04.15.20 at 4:15 pm

Thanks for the report Dolce. Cool to see a pic of you, wish I could reciprocate, it makes things way more interesting to humanize folks.

May your incomparably beautiful country move forward and heal from the losses. I look forward to a day when I can travel there freely again and once again visit places like Lago d’Orta. I have nothing but affection for the Italians.

Best wishes from the UK, where we’re fighting our own battles.

#75 Jo on 04.15.20 at 4:16 pm

Thank you so much Dolce. That is the best news I have read in weeks, gives me hope.

#76 Smoking Man on 04.15.20 at 4:18 pm

Hey Dolce Vita, what’s your Twitter ID.
If you don’t mind sharing.

I’m @SmokingMan

Cheers..

#77 Not So New guy on 04.15.20 at 4:19 pm

Anyone going long bankruptcy attourneys?

#78 Sharktanks on 04.15.20 at 4:35 pm

Anglo-American hatred for Italy and Italians is as old as the hills. No surprises our media were absolutely in love with portraying those ‘dirty browns’ as unkept, unwashed, unhealthy, unalive.

#79 espressobob on 04.15.20 at 4:43 pm

Thank you Dolce Vita for your thoughts.

My Italian friends remind me on occasion that we all have to pull together like one big family. Wise words and this is one of those times.

I raise my demi tasse.

#80 Lisa on 04.15.20 at 4:44 pm

Thanks for sharing this perspective. This too shall pass!

#81 yorkville renter on 04.15.20 at 4:45 pm

I’ve been on the top of that Duomo… it’s beautiful.

Thanks for writing Dolce; glad to hear things are getting back to normal… maybe I can go to that Italian wedding in the fall after all!

#82 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 4:52 pm

Smart move. Let others open. Let’s watch.

See if there is that SECOND WAVE.

And if there is, what it looks like.

Good luck Italy. Really.
Love you. Miss you.

#83 Blacksheep on 04.15.20 at 4:54 pm

Whom on this blog believes:

1) They will never be infected or at a minimum, exposed to this Covid-19 Corona virus?

2) That if we just self isolate long enough, the virus will die out of our society, because it needs to be inside a human cell to replicate?

3) That we are potentially able to kill off this virus as a nation, thus eliminating the risk of additional waves (2 or 3 more) in the future?

4) That even if we were successful in killing Covid off completely in our country, the virus would not be re introduced, via international trade and or travel?

5) That we just need to “stay at home” (T2?) until a vaccine is produced?

Remember the “Flatten the curve” mantra?

This was to buy the medical system time to avoid an additional loss of life do to an overwhelming of the medical system in a every bodies sick at once, scenario.

Long story short, it is just a matter of time until every Canadian citizen is exposed. There are currently seven varieties of Corona virus’s, some that have been in humans going back as far as 1965.

As far as I can find, none of the seven versions of human corona, have vaccines.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

So I am advocating for:

Face masks, social distancing and common sense?

Yes.

Bankrupting an entire economy, trying to achieve impossible goals?

No.

#84 Blacksheep on 04.15.20 at 5:00 pm

Dolce Vita, thanks for the Intel.

#85 Keen Reader on 04.15.20 at 5:02 pm

Thanks DolceVita for taking the time to write, and for your positive contributions in general. Your (and Italy’s) experience doesn’t seem significantly different from what is going on elsewhere: it’s the vast majority of elderly or sick people that requires hospitalization, plus the odd younger ones who likely inhaled a large viral dose.

Still no cases whatsover in friends, family or the large workforce I am part of. We really have no idea what percentage of the overall population would test positive; most countries’ curves are flattening quite similarly, despite major differences in their lockdowns and distancing measures:

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

No doubt politicians will later praise themselves for “preventing a health catastrophe”. Meanwhile, only a very small fraction of available beds remains in use, yet many other patients no longer get much-needed care:
https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/situation-coronavirus-in-quebec/

Wishing the best to Italy and all other countries courageously proceeding with gradual lifting of harsh public-health measures, hopefully we all learn and also move on before irreparable economic and social damage is done.

PS – I also felt Question 3 yesterday was misleading!

Best!

#86 Leo Trollstoy on 04.15.20 at 5:03 pm

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#87 Howard on 04.15.20 at 5:03 pm

More helicopter money!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/essential-workers-to-get-salary-top-up-eligibility-for-emergency-benefit-expanded-pm-1.4897017

It appears the single-digit IQ brain trust in the PMO just figured out that tossing $2000 a month to anyone with a pulse is a disincentive to work, even for some making more than that per month. Work a full day for $2500 or do nothing at collect $2000? Tough call.

They are now rushing to increase the salaries of essential workers so that they are not tempted to request time off to collect the $2000 instead of their salary. Not sure how that would work though, can public sector workers now REQUEST to be temporarily laid off and expect to have such a request granted? Do they have that much power now?

The imcompetence of this government is astounding.

#88 Nixter on 04.15.20 at 5:03 pm

Those flu death numbers in Canada.
Not real.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

Exaggerated and fabricated, they don’t know the real numbers, no autopsies.

We never know the truth from Health Canada, the agency won’t let any employee talk about it publicly.

Bogus flu deaths numbers is to benefit flu vaccine manufacturers. Hand in glove Health Canada and Big Pharma.

Creating fear, same old bogey man is always lurking.

#89 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:05 pm

#60 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 3:39 pm sez:

“BoC is saying of Canadas economy doesn’t open like right now, we are looking at years before a recovery takes hold, in that time the country will lose a large portion of human and productive capital including shuttering thousands of business and loss of exporting supply chains.

If the covid models put the fear of god in our politicians, then that report should turn them white as a ghost.

I hope Garth addresses this one.”
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Who’da thunk it? The BOC is really independent of the government? Who’s getting fired for going against the Liberal spin?

I suppose it’s ok though. It’s only tunnel vision about the virus, the virus, the virus. Nothing adverse happens from bankruptcies and people losing their jobs. Nope.

No despair, no suicides, no DV, no spike in divorces, no families torn apart.

Nope. Nothing.

#90 Orange Man....Orange on 04.15.20 at 5:06 pm

#25 Faron on 04.15.20 at 2:33 pm

Trump has repeatedly failed to condemn violence at his own rallies yet his supporters will either ignore this or claim there’s nothing wrong with that.
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BS. There has never been any violence started by Trump supporters at a Trump rally. Think about it a bit. Why would they start a fight at their own rally? Makes no sense. What does make sense is anti-Trumpers showing up to pick a fight. Media garbage.

He failed to unequivocally condemn the white supremacist fool who mowed down protesters in Charleston.
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The Charleston Hoax has been thoroughly debunked. It isn’t a thing and never happened. More BS. The crap you’re quoting wasn’t even a thing and never happened despite what Jim Acosta says. Try sticking to reality.

He consistently expresses hate toward the left and often does so with violent innuendo.
__________________________________

And more BS. Post a link where he is on video explicitly calling for violence. No mind reading or CNN pundits thinking he said something.

TDS is killing you. The reason TDS sufferers prefer their delusions is that they can’t find any real evidence of anything real to support the hatred that the media has convinced them of so they need to make crap up.

You need to get a life.

#91 E on 04.15.20 at 5:09 pm

Dolce Vita,

As a former student of yours, it’s good to see that you’re doing well, and that you’re still using that picture of yourself that’s older that I am.

Thanks for teaching me how to use Excel, by the way.

#92 Caleb on 04.15.20 at 5:10 pm

BORING……Guy sounds like a clown, too much time in Italy will do that to anyone- not his fault. Next.

#93 Linda on 04.15.20 at 5:12 pm

Thanks Garth for letting ‘Dolce’ report from the front lines in Italy. Very good advice to learn from others mistakes.
It is only by paying attention to what has or hasn’t worked that the rest of us can hope to resume ‘normal’ as soon as possible. I for one don’t want to have to repeat the lockdown because we were unable to learn how to avoid doing just that. Good luck & best wishes to Italy.

#94 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:12 pm

#68 Figure it Out on 04.15.20 at 4:01 pm sez:

“I’m in support of Trump’s defunding the WHO. The world would probably have been better of if the WHO had never gone to China and written their “everything’s mostly fine” report. I’d already stocked up on non-perishable food by the time they finally declared it a pandemic. They’ve been wrong on travel, virus transmission, face masks and much else. But they were great at disseminating China’s party line and convincing western leaders to squander precious time that could have been spent preparing and slowing the spread. Burn it down and start over.”
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Holy s*** you Figured Something Out!

Sorry Garth I’m done for the day.

#95 Cal on 04.15.20 at 5:15 pm

Second paragraph in, your guest goes on a political rant.

I would have preferred a more nonpartisan viewpoint.

So skip to paragraph three. – Garth

#96 John in Mtl on 04.15.20 at 5:20 pm

Everyone, better prepare your portfolios and savings for the next pandemic, it seems china has learned nothing…


“…As lockdown restrictions have begun to ease in China, some of the country’s other wet markets are reportedly operating again—without wild animals and wild meat.

As of April 14, 2020, China has not banned the commercial sale of wild animals for pets, traditional medicine, or ornamental uses.”

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2020/04/coronavirus-linked-to-chinese-wet-markets/

#97 Oracle of Ottawa on 04.15.20 at 5:20 pm

Nice story, Dolce Vita. It sounds like the comeback to normal is going to be a slow and staggered process. We were heading for a global economic slow down even before the pandemic. I think I’ll wait before I start putting money back into the market. Some small caps likely won’t survive.

#98 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 5:22 pm

#90 Orange Man….Orange on 04.15.20 at 5:06 pm

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Good luck trying to convince a true believer.

Also, Faron: remember the MAGA-hat wearing highschoolers who so racistly blocked the First Nation demonstrator… and were thoroughly crucified by the media for doing it? Some pretty large settlements have been paid because of that, haha.

You may be young, or just inexperienced… but, here’s a tip: take all media reports with a grain of salt. If Trump is part of the headline, use the whole shaker.

#99 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 5:23 pm

Fear not, Trump lickers. Kellyanne Conway is taking down the WHO for not learning anything from Covids 1 – 18.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/conway-mistakes-19-covid-strain-virus-accuse-who-not-knowing-facts

Oh, the winning!

#100 Blog Bunny on 04.15.20 at 5:28 pm

DOLCE VITA,

The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity, especially common in northern Italy.

Another epicenter of sin, New York, is the most affected in the US.

In Canada, the worst blasphemous profanities are in Quebec. Guess who is the most affected?

If people do not learn, then it is only the beginning.

Does this hold true for those profane, godless cesspools of iniquity, the afflicted nursing homes? – Garth

#101 NoName on 04.15.20 at 5:29 pm

#99 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 5:23 pm
Fear not, Trump lickers. Kellyanne Conway is taking down the WHO for not learning anything from Covids 1 – 18.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/conway-mistakes-19-covid-strain-virus-accuse-who-not-knowing-facts

Oh, the winning!

that was funny.

#102 Penny Henny on 04.15.20 at 5:31 pm

#83 Blacksheep on 04.15.20 at 4:54 pm
Whom on this blog believes:
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Blacksheep you are correct on all counts.

#103 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:31 pm

@83 Blacksheep:

It ain’t about the blog (sorry Garth) it’s about Canadians. And unfortunately, many Canadians are subject to irrational media induced fear. Social media especially.

What you are saying is far too rational for them. Prepare to be shouted down.

#104 bullwinkle on 04.15.20 at 5:36 pm

#77,

Spoke with my Insolvency Trustee yesterday. She is working from home mostly, yet putting in more hours. She sounded very tired.

#105 Rvanzo on 04.15.20 at 5:38 pm

Really? The guy is bragging about the Italian health system after they refused to treat old people because they were deemed not worth of trying? When they severely lacked intensive care, beds, doctors, everything? In the US nobody died due to lack of a intensive care unit. Most hospitals in the US are actually empty because of dumb orders of cancelling all non emergency care.

#106 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:40 pm

@Sole Doubt:

How many virii are in the coronavirus “family”?

Hint- Higher than a TDS sufferer can count.

#107 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 5:41 pm

#100 Blog Bunny on 04.15.20 at 5:28 pm

The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity, especially common in northern Italy.

Another epicenter of sin, New York, is the most affected in the US.

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Yes, my wife and I were in New York when God’s righteous fury came down and the destroying angels began their fiery purge.

As we were leaving, my friend Lot’s wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt. We’ve been using her for soup seasoning the last few months.

#108 PastThePeak on 04.15.20 at 5:42 pm

#88 Nixter on 04.15.20 at 5:03 pm
Those flu death numbers in Canada.
Not real.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

Exaggerated and fabricated, they don’t know the real numbers, no autopsies.

We never know the truth from Health Canada, the agency won’t let any employee talk about it publicly.

Bogus flu deaths numbers is to benefit flu vaccine manufacturers. Hand in glove Health Canada and Big Pharma.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I posted the same yesterday regarding USA’s data. The CDC created “influenza associated deaths”, and the it is repeated purely as “flu deaths”.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

Actual “death certificate” data in the USA which have a cause of “influenza” is the hundreds to maybe low single-digit thousands, depending on year. The CDC number is purely a model.

COVID-19, on the other hand, is a much bigger deal (but not the end of the world by any imagination). For almost all of the COVID-19 cases / deaths (I said almost), the person has tested positive, or been clinically diagnosed based on symptoms.

In the US, the COVID-19 death toll will hit 30K in another day or so. That is likely 5-10x as many “real flu” deaths in a year – and in 7 weeks.

But even with that, I am 100% in agreement to take pragmatic steps to open up the economy as much as possible, as quickly as possible. Outline measures for retail and manufacturing to open, make sure you help get the supplies available, and make it happen.

Don’t listen to Trudeau…

#109 Penny Henny on 04.15.20 at 5:43 pm

#100 Blog Bunny on 04.15.20 at 5:28 pm
DOLCE VITA,

The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity, especially common in northern Italy.

Another epicenter of sin, New York, is the most affected in the US.

In Canada, the worst blasphemous profanities are in Quebec. Guess who is the most affected?

If people do not learn, then it is only the beginning.

Does this hold true for those profane, godless cesspools of iniquity, the afflicted nursing homes? – Garth
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You ever hear some of those old people Garth?
It’s like they got no filter ;)

#110 BrianT on 04.15.20 at 5:43 pm

What is interesting is that even after Boy Trudeau and John Tory say everything is safe-go back to your regular life-a lot of people are going to be very hesitant to do so-the latest poll numbers in the USA are 80% are not going to immediately return to normal life-so that whole globalist agenda of pushing everyone into crowded cities (densification) has hit a big stumbling block-who wants to ride a packed subway car cheek to jowl with possibly diseased strangers just because the guv says go ahead? I am not at all afraid of this virus and I wouldn’t even consider it-partly because I wasn’t into it before and partly because all this info about the flu and infectious diseases just makes huddling together with strangers like a refugee even less appealing than it was before. Who wants to be sitting in a crowded restaurant a foot away from a stranger’s table just because you can? I don’t-and I am sure a lot of people aren’t into that at all going forward. All this certainly makes the big city overall less of a positive going forward IMO.

#111 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 5:47 pm

@#100 Stewing Rabbit
“The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity..”
+++

Very Christian of Him….

#112 JonBoy on 04.15.20 at 5:48 pm

#18 Bezengy on 04.15.20 at 2:08 pm

I’m keeping my eye on Sweden. Much higher death rate than Canada, but I have a hunch the long term result may be different. For now social distancing is saving lives though, no question about it.

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This is what you’d expect. Without lock-down, more people will get sick (up front) but the long-term effects should be minimized as more people get it and gain immunity.

Sweden will definitely “front load” for deaths but I’m betting the overall effect is no worse than anyone else (give or take a bit).

The big uncertainty is whether they will overload their health system, in which case you’ll get more deaths due to lack of proper care. That’s a theory that has yet to be proven as a problem there (since they’re still encouraging people to stay inside if they’re older or immuno-compromised).

Given that Canada hasn’t even come close to overloading their healthcare system, I’d expect you could double or even triple the cases and still be fine (which means Sweden may pull through without any real issues).

#113 NFN_NLN on 04.15.20 at 5:51 pm

#45 John on 04.15.20 at 3:15 pm
So let’s add National Take Out Day to National
Stupidity Day.
Has any one considered the potential for disaster here?
How about the cook with the runny nose?
How about the fact the odds are almost zero they have a N-95 mask and gloves on.
People are aware that this virus can live for days on surfaces?
Or the cloths that the employees are wearing
This is so stupid I can’t believe it.

Shhh…. no one tell this guy e.coli comes from butt holes.

#114 oh bouy on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm

@#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm
Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/15/stay-home-protest-michigan-capitol-opposition-whitmer-order-coronavirus/2989230001/
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not the brightest bunch over there in Michigan.
I bet bytor the snow dog is from there.

#115 Freedom First on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm

Anyone would be better off dead than living in ANY long term institution in Canada. The truth is ugly.

Freedom First

#116 oh bouy on 04.15.20 at 5:55 pm

@#100 Blog Bunny on 04.15.20 at 5:28 pm
DOLCE VITA,

The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity, especially common in northern Italy.

Another epicenter of sin, New York, is the most affected in the US.

In Canada, the worst blasphemous profanities are in Quebec. Guess who is the most affected?

If people do not learn, then it is only the beginning.

Does this hold true for those profane, godless cesspools of iniquity, the afflicted nursing homes? – Garth
________________________

Blog Bunny, you make baby jesus cry.

#117 BrianT on 04.15.20 at 5:55 pm

I was into Social Distancing when Social Distancing wasn’t cool.

#118 espressobob on 04.15.20 at 5:56 pm

#78 Sharktanks

Fascism is a far greater threat than a microbe.

Sometimes I wonder?

#119 Falso Advertizing! on 04.15.20 at 5:56 pm

#91 E on 04.15.20 at 5:09 pm

Dolce Vita,

As a former student of yours, it’s good to see that you’re doing well, and that you’re still using that picture of yourself that’s older that I am.

Thanks for teaching me how to use Excel, by the way..
………..
Yeah I thought Dolce was an older dude!!….. hmm does he have hair?

#120 Roial1 on 04.15.20 at 6:01 pm

#53 My experiences C19 on 04.15.20 at 3:29 pm
Vancouver island 80 odd cases 1.5 million people.
4,000 empty hospital beds.

Actual pop V.I. 870297

Where you getting your #s

#121 NFN_NLN on 04.15.20 at 6:09 pm

#90 Orange Man….Orange on 04.15.20 at 5:06 pm

TDS is killing you. The reason TDS sufferers prefer their delusions is that they can’t find any real evidence of anything real to support the hatred that the media has convinced them of so they need to make crap up.

Actually Trump has addressed violence… in particular on campuses where conservatives were subjected to violence by leftists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVffvfyOako

As a result he signed this executive order:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/politics/campus-free-speech-executive-order-donald-trump/index.html

#122 Joe on 04.15.20 at 6:09 pm

Based on the info from Italy the US to be in line with what has gone down in Italy, they have to bring their Daily Cases down to approx 17,000 cases per day and then at that point the US can start Phase 1.

#123 Zed on 04.15.20 at 6:17 pm

I am happy to hear that life was never so dire in Italy with the virus situation. Too bad for the people who died due to complications of the Covid-19 but death is a 100% certainty, only the timing is unsure.

I drove back into Canada from NY state to Montreal this afternoon after 6 months away, pleasant since no other car was in sight. 5 minutes of questioning and quarantine procedure information given. They took my cell phone # and email address to follow through. 3 km north of the border the provincial police stopped me, i wasn’t speeding, to check where i was from and going to, confirming that i knew the quarantine procedures like drive straight home without stopping anywhere.

Strict quarantine for returning canadians.

#124 John in Mtl on 04.15.20 at 6:19 pm

@ #69 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 4:02 pm

“Pierre Poilievre…”

I wish M Poilievre would run for PM in the next election. I might forgive a lot of what I can’t stand about the conservatives just so this guy could right the country. We need a real leader for Canada.

#125 Faron on 04.15.20 at 6:23 pm

#98 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 5:22 pm

If Trump is part of the headline, use the whole shaker.

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Why, because salt kills giant orange invasive slugs? Check.

Oh, yeah, right. The fake news. Thanks for experienceizing me boomer.

#126 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 6:25 pm

#114 oh bouy on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm sez:

“@#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm
Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/15/stay-home-protest-michigan-capitol-opposition-whitmer-order-coronavirus/2989230001/
_____________________________

not the brightest bunch over there in Michigan.
I bet bytor the snow dog is from there.”

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They are doing the right thing. Someday when you grow up you’ll realize it.

Oh, and she lost, Dear.

#127 truefacts on 04.15.20 at 6:27 pm

Protesting in Michigan about the lockdowns, but in Germany, according to this, they send you to a Psychiatric Ward if you protest the lockdowns…

https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-lawyer-sent-psych-ward-organizing-protest-against-covid-19-lockdown/5709685

Is this article BS or not??? I find it hard to believe…

Closer to home, in Ottawa, police are stopping people going over to the Quebec side (essential travel only). They do however seem incapable to stopping large motorcades as our dear leader seemed to manage to evade them!

#128 Asterix1 on 04.15.20 at 6:30 pm

How can this purchase make any sense? Is this not the perfect example of a Greater Fool?

“Sale of waterfront condo, caught mid-pandemic, draws two offers”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/toronto/article-sale-of-waterfront-condo-caught-mid-pandemic-draws-two-offers/#comments

735sft, 1B, 2 Bathrooms for 820,000K!

Lets say that person put 15% down.
Mortgage = 3330$
Maintenance = 645$
Property Tax= 325$
Insurance = 100$
TOTAL = 4,400$per month

Is this person hoping to rent this small condo for that much, impossible! Price appreciation, good luck, you paid max! Is it money laundering? AirBnB? Or just a clueless buyer?

#129 Gordon on 04.15.20 at 6:31 pm

What a great letter. So thoughtful and full of info.

#130 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 6:31 pm

Trump can’t restart the US economy, Trudeau can’t restart the Canadian economy, sate and provincial leaders can’t restart their economies, only the people can restart the economy. But when will they? Is everyone going to jump out of their hidey-hole and rush back to the movie theaters? Pubs? Hair dressers? Would you send your kid back to school on May 1?

When they closed my son’s school attendance was already down over 50%, so in effect the parents had already closed the school before the school board got around to it. People began wearing masks before the CDC greenlighted it. I personally cancelled a lunch date before they closed the restaurants. And how long will it be before people are comfortable packing on to a commercial airline for a vacation?

I know there will be many Alfred Newmans out there (What, me worry?) who will think it’s no big deal and the problem has gone away if there ever was a problem, especially among the 50% of the population with below average IQ, but I don’t see the restart as being akin to flipping a switch. It will be a long drawn out process that could take a year. And that is if there isn’t a second outbreak which shuts everything down again. And I think those new sneeze shields at Costco are there to stay. The limit on how many people can be in the store at a time may be with us for a while too.

And people please please please stop comparing this thing to the flu. Yes, using US numbers it is true that covid has “only” killed 23,000 people compared to some 40,000 deaths from the flu in 2019. But it is only April! The first confirmed case in the US was in late January and not even a full 3 months later it is the number 1 daily cause of death. And that is with all the social distancing and shut downs. Imagine what would have happened if these measures were not taken!!! As it is, even with these measures covid is on track to kill 90,000+ people in the US for the full year of 2020, way more than the flu. This thing is some serious shit.

And no, it isn’t caused by 5G so stop sabotaging 5G (and 4G by mistake) towers. We need those communication systems now more than ever.

#131 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 6:33 pm

#106 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:40 pm
@Sole Doubt:

How many virii are in the coronavirus “family”?

Hint- Higher than a TDS sufferer can count.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What a nice homage to Garth’s Italiano guest. You’re making up Latin words to look edumacated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_of_words_ending_in_-us

Just say you don’t know what the 19 in Covid 19 actually means.

#132 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 6:38 pm

Not a virus blog. – Garth
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Did you see the Leaf game yesterday? …oh that’s right, virus.

Will you watch the Chinese F1 Grand Prix this upcoming weekend? …oh that’s right, virus.

Who went to the Pearl Jam concert recently? oh…virus.

Who hugged a friend lately? oh no…can’t…virus.

It’s Virus Virus Virus 24/7 Garth.

Let me try to escape it today on greaterfool.ca

What’s this? OH NO! It’s about the VIRUS! :-)

#133 Pete from St. Cesaire on 04.15.20 at 6:40 pm

#88 Nixter on 04.15.20 at 5:03 pm
Those flu death numbers in Canada.
Not real.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442
Exaggerated and fabricated, they don’t know the real numbers, no autopsies.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The CBC sure put their foot in their mouth with that one. They’ve already taken the article down. They were trying to debunk people who question the Covid rates and they ended up debunking themselves instead.

#134 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 6:40 pm

Hey Dolce Vita, is that photo of you from 1978?

Let’s see one at least with an iPod in you hand please! :-)

#135 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 6:42 pm

MF still sulking after the Drake smackdown?

#136 Reality is stark on 04.15.20 at 6:47 pm

Doesn’t really matter whether you are Italy, Australia, Canada etc.
Here are the new rules. If China buys your raw materials or supports your economy with tourism you do not criticize them for human rights violations. It will still be O.K. to vilify Trump for being “mean”.
As good little Canadians you will do as you are told when it comes to China. China the good as my Canadian socialist comrades would say.
Freedom is for the foolish.
Keep your head in the sand and watch your industry disappear like nice little western nations.

#137 Howard on 04.15.20 at 6:49 pm

#115 Freedom First on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm
Anyone would be better off dead than living in ANY long term institution in Canada. The truth is ugly.

Freedom First

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Thanks to overuse of near indestructable pacemakers that last decades, there are many Alzheimers patients in LTC facilities still alive who otherwise wouldn’t be.

And if you think this comment is heartless, ask yourself if YOU would want to be artificially kept alive through latest stage dementia? or would you rather receive palliative comfort care and otherwise let nature take its course?

#138 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 6:52 pm

Is China popping off baby nukes in underground caves?
Only Winnie the Pooh knows for sure.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-nuclear/china-may-have-conducted-low-level-nuclear-test-blasts-u-s-says-idUSKCN21X386

Well, the silver lining is…… the last world war pulled us out of a 10 year stock market funk…….

#139 Radical Left on 04.15.20 at 6:54 pm

The radical right is easy to identify and they are crazy. It is far harder to identify folks on the radical left, and they are much more dangerous as a result. As soon as you hear anything that sounds like equality of outcome you’re likely dealing with someone from the radical left. They love times like these.

#140 Flop... on 04.15.20 at 6:55 pm

Have any of the Burnaby boys on the blog seen my City Of Vancouver?

I heard she’s having financial troubles.

The last time I saw her, she was talking about wanting to spend 5 million bucks on a chandelier.

Girl is cuckoo…

M45BC

#141 TurnerNation on 04.15.20 at 6:56 pm

There is still a certain unnaturallness here. Since when has every sick and deceased person in the world been reprorted in real time and 24/7 on TV?
–There is no other news in the world.
–Nobody is passing on from any other cause.
Worse trauma being inflicted on a global scale since 9-11 and we know what came afterwards.
Want to stay healthy and feel better?
Step one: turn your TV off.

#142 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 6:57 pm

#25 Faron

“He failed to unequivocally condemn the white supremacist fool who mowed down protesters in Charleston.”

Trump specifically condemned the white supremacists at Charleston. CNN cut the clip. If you watch the whole clip by “fine people on both sides” he was referring to the debate about the statues, but he then went on to condemn the white supremacists. Scott Adams and others have labeled this the “fine people hoax” and it looks like you fell for it.

#143 To Roial1 on 04.15.20 at 6:57 pm

You are correct I knew was 870,000 I was thinking something else. Brain thinking one thing typing another, Thanks for the correction

#144 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 6:58 pm

#117 BrianT

I was into Social Distancing when Social Distancing wasn’t cool.

————————–

Damn it BrianT. Now I have to clean up this snot that shot out of my nose. Thanks a lot!

#145 Marco on 04.15.20 at 7:01 pm

Well, there are few very expensive residences around Avenue and Davenport in TO.
I did not hear about casualties there, yet. If they succeed in keeping old alive, there be a proof that we are all in this together, no?

#146 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 7:02 pm

#100 Blog Bunny on 04.15.20 at 5:28 pm
DOLCE VITA,

The epidemic was a punishment from God for blasphemous profanity, especially common in northern Italy.

Another epicenter of sin, New York, is the most affected in the US.

In Canada, the worst blasphemous profanities are in Quebec. Guess who is the most affected?

If people do not learn, then it is only the beginning.

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Seriously? Are you off your meds?

#147 Hawk on 04.15.20 at 7:03 pm

Will hope for Italia to recover soon. Lots more towns I’d love to visit, someday, including Bergamo.

#148 John in Mtl on 04.15.20 at 7:09 pm

@ #115 Freedom First on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm

“Anyone would be better off dead than living in ANY long term institution in Canada. The truth is ugly.”

Yep, better dead than living-dead, especially after what I’ve learned in the last couple days here in Quebec. Always told my friends that I’d rather kill myself than end up in those “CHSLD” places where people basically go to die. Why prolong the inevitable end?

#149 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 7:10 pm

#51 mark on 04.15.20 at 3:24 pm
#30 Lucky lee on 04.15.20 at 2:50 pm
Garth. When someone leaves a comment about the truth please stop deleting it. I know that liberals and Canada are making people really really really really soft thanks.

No idea of what you speak. – Garth

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Come on Garth, We all know the owner always has the last word, thought, censorship. Guess we are all idiots.

Deletions and trashings are done carefully, sporadically, rarely and with profound reason. The Internet teems with blogs. You are welcome to migrate if this one hurts your head. – Garth

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Garth has deleted me a couple of times before when I was being perhaps a bit too edgy. It’s simple, figure out where you went over the line and repost if it is important to you. And also understand Garth is going through 350 comments a day at this point.

#150 Phil on 04.15.20 at 7:20 pm

Flectar, non frangar.
Great piece, viva l’Italia!

#151 Cici on 04.15.20 at 7:24 pm

Thanks for the poignant post Dolce Vita.

My prayers tonight to Italia, New York and everywhere else hardest hit by the virus.

And a huge thanks to all employees (healthcare, daycare service providers, grocery store staff, etc.) who are working their butts off (and some for peanuts) so that the rest of us can protect and nourish ourselves and our families in this time of crisis.

#152 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 7:24 pm

@#137 Howard
“….ask yourself if YOU would want to be artificially kept alive through latest stage dementia? ”

++++
as long as I can still fart and smile……I’m there.

#153 Dirty Dan on 04.15.20 at 7:25 pm

Antifa = unemployed left wing losers who protest and disrupt conservatives while they’re busy trying to work.

Now that jobs are cancelled we see the real numbers.

Either (1) there are more common sense conservatives in the world than the left realizes-or- (2) the lefts are too scared of their own shadow to leave the house now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBw40ubbEI

#154 Trojan House on 04.15.20 at 7:28 pm

#134 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 6:40 pm

Yes, that’s his Realtor(copyright) picture.

#155 Mr Canada on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm

Great post Dolce Vita ! Hard to believe, I was in Rome and Abruzzo just 6 months ago. T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??

#156 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm

@#140 Flop
“Have any of the Burnaby boys on the blog seen my City Of Vancouver?
I heard she’s having financial troubles.
The last time I saw her, she was talking about wanting to spend 5 million bucks on a chandelier.”

++++

Yep, unlimited budgets for Rainbow sidewalks, Pink T-shirts, snow plows for bicycle lanes, free needle exchange, on and on and on….. and….now…..they’re…… broke……
While quiet little Burnaby posts a $1.6 BILLION dollar “rainy day” fund……one of the few Lowerbrainland municipalities that did ( Richmond was the only other city to have surplus cash $325 million) all others, flat busted broke.

#157 Sail away on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm

#125 Faron on 04.15.20 at 6:23 pm

Oh, yeah, right. The fake news. Thanks for experienceizing me boomer.

—————

You’re welcome. I’ll let you know when you start going off track again.

I always find mentoring the young and naïve to be rewarding. And it’s not their fault; everybody must start from somewhere.

#158 islander on 04.15.20 at 7:31 pm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-greece-learned-from-italys-and-spains-mistakes-and-used-rapid/

Meanwhile in neighbouring Greece………

#159 Trojan House on 04.15.20 at 7:31 pm

#131 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 6:33 pm

It should read: Covid-19…84

#160 Figure it Out on 04.15.20 at 7:32 pm

Sit around and debate the ethics of legally applying for a government cookie long enough… and the hedge funds make off with the cookie jar.

US government Paycheck Protection Program:
“Some hedge funds already have applied, filling out forms to show they have fewer than 500 employees and certifying the current economic uncertainty makes this loan request necessary to support the ongoing operations. […] Given that the program is first come, first served, some managers were quick to submit their paperwork, according to market participants, even if eligibility remains unclear.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-14/it-s-not-all-bad-for-banks

The Canadian program paid all applicants, but the US one only has a certain level of funding, so these hedge funds might actually be depriving other business of help.

#161 Drinking on 04.15.20 at 7:37 pm

We did not start the fire; just remember who did!

#162 Winterpeg on 04.15.20 at 7:37 pm

Thanks for your heartfelt perspective Dolce Vita.
Good that you pointed out the casualty numbers are not a smooth downward curve; that steps still need to be taken to curb the spread.
But good also to point out Italy is slowly opening the economy. We need to hear that too.
Hope when the scourge of virus and economic downturn is over, that we can safely travel and see the art and sites of your beautiful country.

#163 Ronaldo on 04.15.20 at 7:42 pm

I was sitting here thinking about the large majority of the work force now collecting pogey of some sort or another and wondering how they are going to get these people off of it once they lift the lockdown say mid May.

A lot of them are likely making less than the 2000 they are getting for sitting at home. With EI you have to show that you are ready, willing and capable of working. How does it work for those on the pogey?

This will be interesting. I can see the headlines already.

“Employers unable to fill vacant positions due to lack of willing workers”.

#164 Canadian Moose on 04.15.20 at 7:44 pm

It’s always great to get a fresh perspective from someone in a different country who was hit hard by Covid-19. Thanks Dolce!

#165 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 7:44 pm

@#155 Mr canada
“….and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well….”

++++

I heard the EXACT same story today about the son of a coworker.
EI received, CERB 2 k received in bank account, 2k MORE received yesterday via Canada post……

Asinine doesnt even begin to describe the idiots in charge of these govt. programs…..

My coworker said, “What the f#$k am I doing HERE at WORK when my kid is at home with 5 k in his pocket?”

#166 Roman Heart on 04.15.20 at 7:48 pm

Dolce,
I commend you on taking the risk and providing us some insight from one who with boots on the ground. Having many relatives throughout Italy I concur with most of what you wrote. While I may not have used the same expressive political views, it doesn’t deter all the good information you provided. Unfortunately, posting here exposes you to heavy criticism. Ignore it, comes with the territory.

Thanks again

#167 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 7:51 pm

Hope anitfa and some of the clueless SJWs and climate radials come out to meet those protestors in Michigan. Game on.

Anyway, the movement is called operation gridlock and its going to other cities tomorrow.

I would love to see Rideau cottage ringed by a mob after that.

#168 gfd on 04.15.20 at 7:56 pm

I have friends in Italy. Other places in EU same way. That country was on complete lockdown. . . nothing compares to Canada. People were getting orders from authorities when to leave home, say to go shopping. Opening grocery stores and free will may seem to them as a return to normality.

#169 Flop... on 04.15.20 at 8:02 pm

I am trying to bring some normalcy to my neighbours early each morning.

People seem to be bemoaning the lack of planes in the sky.

It is eerily quiet each morning.

At 7 am I get in my work truck with its big V8 engine and rev the crap out of it.

Work tools clanging and banging in the cargo section as I depart the terminal.

It’s like a plane taking off…

M45BC

#170 Cici on 04.15.20 at 8:03 pm

#155 Mr. Canada

https://globalnews.ca/news/6815789/cerb-double-payment-what-to-do/

And yes, CERB is available to certain individuals on EI.

#171 islander on 04.15.20 at 8:05 pm

https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/04/01/Long-Term-Care-Worker-Pay-Boosted/

Why health care workers’ salaries in private care facilities went off the rails in BC twenty years ago.

Check out Ontario’s situation as well.
Crocodile tears from Mr. Ford’s ilk! Liberals and Conservatives are equally culpable regarding long term care and their agreements with for profit private providers.

Ontarians of all ages should be wary of Ford’s agenda.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/the-conversation-canada/ontario-for-profit-health-care_a_23648575/

“In British Columbia, former premier Gordon Campbell, now a close adviser to Ford, happily allowed private payment and for-profit clinics to flourish.”

#172 $arcastic on 04.15.20 at 8:09 pm

Dolce Vita, Alt Right member here. Do you know that the COVID19 is a conspiracy by the Communist Chinese and the hyper-capitalist Russians to destroy the American economy and put farmers and Grade 5 educated nationalists into FEMA camps that Obama was buying back in 2009?

We the Alt Right dislike migrants and non-whites, yet we have to export our GMO soybeans and hormone-laden meat to non-white countries.

I am typing my anti-globalist comment from a computer at a resort in Cancun, where I believe that Mexico belongs to the Europeans.

(sarcastic comment).

#173 Faron on 04.15.20 at 8:11 pm

#142 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 6:57 pm

“Trump specifically condemned the white supremacists at Charleston.”

Eventually after much outcry from both the left and right. His first statement was about the hatred and violence on “both sides”. It took him two more days to read a prepared statement that condemned the acts. Numerous politicians on the left and right called his response disgraceful. He later walked his prepared statement back at a rally.

And, oh, the venerable Scott Adams. A real paragon of journalistic integrity. Do you realise that you are being subject to a revision of history aimed at cleaning up yet more Trump messes? Pretty soon you will claim that he was misquoted when he said “grab ’em by the pu__y”. The guy is total garbage.

#174 not quite accurate on 04.15.20 at 8:15 pm

I have been in quarantine for over 8 weeks in Roma due to health issues, so I know that Dolce Vita has not been accurate.

Dolce Vita forgot to tell you that the Mayor of Milan was advocating that its citizens “go hug a Chinese person” so as not to appear to be racist against Chenese nationals in Italy.

He also failed to mention that several of the top Italian lawyers and legal minds have filed suit against the Italian government, started a petition, now with over 700,000 signatories and are demanding an investigation into their ignoring the pandemic for weeks.

He also failed to mention that Russia sent 19 massive cargo planes with over 100 pandemic specialists, 8 vehicles for disinfecting the streets and many tonnes of supplies to assist Italy – for NO PAYMENT !

Italy screwed up in many ways – just go google it or look on youtube.

#175 yorkville renter on 04.15.20 at 8:15 pm

TDS goes BOTH ways… I’m afraid most of DJT’s supporters also suffer from it, but the polar opposite of what they claim is TDS.

they’re all a bunch of snowflakes.

#176 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 8:17 pm

#131 Sold Out on 04.15.20 at 6:33 pm blathers:

“#106 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 5:40 pm
@Sole Doubt:

How many virii are in the coronavirus “family”?

Hint- Higher than a TDS sufferer can count.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What a nice homage to Garth’s Italiano guest. You’re making up Latin words to look edumacated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_form_of_words_ending_in_-us

Just say you don’t know what the 19 in Covid 19 actually means.”
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Yes, I know what the “19” refers to. Stop avoiding the question. It’s easy to find out the answer.

#177 Long-Time Lurker on 04.15.20 at 8:20 pm

Dolce Vita, do you have a guess as to why Bergamo became the epicenter of Italy’s pandemic problem? New York City is an international crossroads.

#178 butter upon bacon on 04.15.20 at 8:21 pm

Trudeau’s bailout is bs.

Been saving for years sitting on cash, driving used cars, have the kind of skillset that sees your job through any recession. No mortgage, no car loan, no cc debt.

I have to hear from all my friends how I’m a liberal snowflake because I have progressive values even though I am a fiscal conservative. Now here we are, I am the only one not taking a government handout. No mortgage deferral, no CERB, nothing. Now who is the conservative?

This world is all messed up. We have grocery store workers risking their lives to go to work while others make more sitting at home.

I hope Morneau is reading this.

I have a friend, both spouses unemployed (airline industry), huge mortgage, no savings, 2 brand new cars. Taking the CERB to invest in bank stocks.

Capitalism is broken. Why shouldn’t I take the CERB? Moral reasons? I’m gonna be paying for it the rest of my life anyways. I might as well get a few thousand out of it.

#179 willworkforpickles on 04.15.20 at 8:25 pm

The real concern or actually the real evil beyond the covid pandemic is in Trump grinding the gears of economic apocalypse RE: The US national debt with a certain death spiral to follow with a near term inability to service it (without needing to borrow trillions more just to pay the interest) in what is about to become a $33+trillion dollar national debt horror show and worse. The true horror show and worse is in the evil coming to visit us all soon.

#180 Lost...but not leased on 04.15.20 at 8:28 pm

Nope…
…sorry.
…………..not buying it…

What will happen is “The power$$$ that be” will send out messages that COVID 19 “1st” round = curve somewhat flattened…..but a new and more virulent strain is next.

Stir and repeat…

#181 Hmm... on 04.15.20 at 8:34 pm

Anyone else notice Pure Flix is really hitting the YouTube hard with their ads lately? Seems really recent. On the one hand I think it makes sense with the theaters closed, but on the other hand it seems a little underhanded to sell Jesus at a time like this.

#182 Drill Baby Drill on 04.15.20 at 8:41 pm

“so at least show some gratitude (way more than Italy did).”
Italy has no borrowing power.
Italy should thank it’s lucky stars that it did not borrow itself into oblivion.
It is hard to show gratitude when the Canadian government borrows and you know the tax payer is going to get it big time in a few months.
So no I will not have gratitude.

#183 GAV on 04.15.20 at 8:44 pm

#25 Faron on 04.15.20 at 2:33 pm

Faron is displaying all the classic symptoms of advanced Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS).

In the late stages, the patient makes comparisons of Trump and his followers to Hitler and his Nazi followers (yesterday).

Today as well the patient decries how Trump (or any non-left subject) won’t disassociate from white right wing extremist groups.

The last stage is advocating violence.

Happens over and over again with TDS people (usually called “Progressives” or “Liberals”).

Its all so formula. Just ask the CBC, CNN ,MSNBC etc.

#184 NFN_NLN on 04.15.20 at 8:46 pm

Trump – withhold WHO contributions for an investigation

Trudeau increases WHO contributions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEx15CXhf0w&t=37m9s  

Trump looking to re-open the economy

Trudeau wants to keep the economy closed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEx15CXhf0w&t=45m50s

I wish Trump represented Canada instead.

#185 Terry on 04.15.20 at 8:47 pm

As the Great Pause unfolds where will we be? In a once-beautiful world beset by depression, hundreds of millions unemployed, millions more homeless, massive bankruptcy, and probably people dying of starvation. But at least they won’t catch the virus and have a 3% chance of dying, right?

#186 trailor_sailor on 04.15.20 at 8:54 pm

The amount of “fake news, fake news MAGA MAGA MAGA” in coach is too damn high.

#187 DON on 04.15.20 at 8:55 pm

Dolce Vita:

I am glad you are OK. Always a pleasure.

The sickness is nasty to say the least. I am glad Italy is showing the way and I believe all eyes on currently on Italy.

BC started to lock down retirement homes in February as soon as the cases popped up in Washington State. Not sure if we got lucky (given the travel to China) or we went to social distancing in March before the main wave hit. Feels like a life time ago when I met a friend in a pub for a beverage. My RN family member who goes home to home providing palliative care is not panicking, her patients even offered her there masks/gloves.

Hopefully BC sidesteps the virus…to some extent…at least until October/November.

I like the concept of social distancing. Keeps the deplorables away. I could get used to this…again to some extent – I don’t like the line ups, saving money though!

#188 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 8:57 pm

#124 John in Mtl on 04.15.20 at 6:19 pm
@ #69 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 4:02 pm
“Pierre Poilievre…”
I wish M Poilievre would run for PM in the next election. I might forgive a lot of what I can’t stand about the conservatives just so this guy could right the country. We need a real leader for Canada.
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Agreed, he would make a great PM. Very intelligent man. Maybe when his family gets a little older.

#189 WUL on 04.15.20 at 9:09 pm

#155 Mr Canada on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm
Great post Dolce Vita ! Hard to believe, I was in Rome and Abruzzo just 6 months ago. T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??

????…

Why, just today I explored that possibility. My son was laid off from his job in Calgary. I wondered about collecting EI and CERB. He received his first EI money today. The requirements are set out on dominionofcanada.com or whatever the Feds’ website is.

It clearly states that if you are receiving EI, you cannot obtain CERB.

I think your son will have to pay the CERB $ back. Fortunately, the website has links to easily explore that. In the meantime, he can invest it in a high interest savings account and earn a return, of what, .2 percent.

WUL

M64LawfullyYoursInThe Mac

#190 not quite accurate on 04.15.20 at 9:12 pm

Further…

Italy has provided only 600 euros per business per month as support and reduced some social benefits for citizens while increasing benefits for illegal immigrants. Pathetic !

People in the poorer south were resorting to stealing food from supermarkets as there is ZERO special social assistance once your paltry official welfare runs out. NO assistance from government on any level. Unforgivable !

I was hospitalized in late February and I was the ONLY person in the entire hospital that wore a mask that I saw in over 5 days there. The doctors there told me they didn’t need them ! Irresponsible !

And, La Repubblica is a left leaning semi- socialist publication – typical that a “teacher” like Dolce Vita would consider it an unbiased source.

Italy is not on her knees, she has one foot in the grave and the other standing on a banana peel, economically speaking.

#191 Drinking a few on 04.15.20 at 9:13 pm

It has been a few days since I have read the blog and posts although I was surprised that I was deleted to making reference to out national critter; oh well, he’s is the boss! Delete! lol! Oh,delete, Chinese, delete, WHO, delete, Trump,Delete, do not agree with you delete, Sad, delete! Great socialist blog Garth; BANNED! lol! Yep, it’s free but lost its democracy!! Good-luck!

The post was sexually offensive and had zero to do with the content of the blog. – Garth

#192 DON on 04.15.20 at 9:18 pm

#138 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 6:52 pm

Is China popping off baby nukes in underground caves?
Only Winnie the Pooh knows for sure.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-nuclear/china-may-have-conducted-low-level-nuclear-test-blasts-u-s-says-idUSKCN21X386

Well, the silver lining is…… the last world war pulled us out of a 10 year stock market funk…….
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Tactical nukes….the future of conventional warfare?

Will the US cancel its debt with China? Just give Trump an excuse.

#193 Drinking a few on 04.15.20 at 9:28 pm

#191 Drinking a few

The post was sexually offensive and had zero to do with the content of the blog. – Garth

Ok, I will give you that; but at all means it was not meant to be that; was just trying to make a little light of a tough situation for all of us; I guess by your standards it was overboard! So be it, you are the boss of this blog!

#194 CERB or EI, not both on 04.15.20 at 9:28 pm

” T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??”

CRA is accepting pretty much everyone who applies for CERB without confirming eligibility, but they have promised to catch up with you’all later.

Tell your son he cannot collect both EI and CERB at the same time even though it is easy to accidentally or intentionally get around the system, and he should stop now and ask CRA how to pay back the over-payment. Otherwise he will pay the piper later.

CRA will find out later and will expect him to pay back the CERB collected. In addition he might be in a spot of trouble should he continue to double dip rather than fix his mistake early on.

#195 Mikeshouse on 04.15.20 at 9:30 pm

Thank you Dolce Vita. I always enjoy your perspective here and your writing here today.. definitely the epitome of that expectation. Sitting here in Isolation, the safety of my home here in Alberta… Its so difficult to fathom what you must be experiencing and are witness to. Perhaps I can share this way… My seven year old came in from another room far across the house as I neared the end of reading and asked ” Dad , are you okay” as I had started to break down in tears hearing the music. She did not hear me, she just sensed it.. my reaction, Grief. Its that spiritual bond, affection for someone, something that has died.We are all connected this way. The loss, what you wrote is moving, deeply palpable.

#196 Barb on 04.15.20 at 9:30 pm

Thank you Dolce (and Garth)…it certainly makes sense!

And Bocelli sings like an angel.

#197 mark on 04.15.20 at 9:32 pm

9 WUL on 04.15.20 at 9:09 pm
#155 Mr Canada on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm
Great post Dolce Vita ! Hard to believe, I was in Rome and Abruzzo just 6 months ago. T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??

????…

Why, just today I explored that possibility. My son was laid off from his job in Calgary. I wondered about collecting EI and CERB. He received his first EI money today. The requirements are set out on dominionofcanada.com or whatever the Feds’ website is.

It clearly states that if you are receiving EI, you cannot obtain CERB.

I think your son will have to pay the CERB $ back. Fortunately, the website has links to easily explore that. In the meantime, he can invest it in a high interest savings account and earn a return, of what, .2 percent.

WUL

M64LawfullyYoursInThe Mac

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Good luck with accessing web site and links, being trying for weeks to “fix” my claim, says no forms found , can’t get anyone on phone. Yet from the sounds of it people are just getting money!

#198 DON on 04.15.20 at 9:38 pm

#165 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 7:44 pm

@#155 Mr canada
“….and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well….”

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I heard the EXACT same story today about the son of a coworker.
EI received, CERB 2 k received in bank account, 2k MORE received yesterday via Canada post……

Asinine doesnt even begin to describe the idiots in charge of these govt. programs…..

My coworker said, “What the f#$k am I doing HERE at WORK when my kid is at home with 5 k in his pocket?”
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Maybe one CERB cheque was for the March and the current one for April? Or the CRA broke itself.

#199 DON on 04.15.20 at 9:55 pm

last post for me…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/hyped-malaria-pill-doesn-t-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study

#200 oh bouy on 04.15.20 at 9:59 pm

@#126 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.15.20 at 6:25 pm
#114 oh bouy on 04.15.20 at 5:53 pm sez:

“@#13 Terry on 04.15.20 at 2:00 pm
Thank God………..it’s starting!

Michigan residents are rising up protesting stay at home orders!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/15/stay-home-protest-michigan-capitol-opposition-whitmer-order-coronavirus/2989230001/
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not the brightest bunch over there in Michigan.
I bet bytor the snow dog is from there.”

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They are doing the right thing. Someday when you grow up you’ll realize it.

Oh, and she lost, Dear.
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lol, ok pops.

#201 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 10:02 pm

@#169 Flop
“It’s like a plane taking off…”
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Awesome!
If you can find an old hand cranked air raid siren, strap it to the roof and let er rip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xRTeu6Sd4c

why should THEY get to sleep in.

#202 kommykim on 04.15.20 at 10:04 pm

RE: And how did we turn Socialist a few Tweets after being Fascist?

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Because most right wingers don’t know the difference between a socialist and a fascist. They also refuse to admit that fascism is a far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalist movement and try to pin it on the left.

#203 fishman on 04.15.20 at 10:08 pm

Flop: Our girl City of Vancouver isn’t in Burnaby. She’s downtown hangin with the laid off strippers from #5 Orange. Looking over her pretty shoulder for the sheriff to grab the fancy leased car. Trying to get some cash for those expensive bags & shoes & clothes & jewelry. No takers? Willing to sell the crown jewels. School land, parkland, transportation corridors. So long housing for the homeless, dope for the dopers & a free lunch with nobody working in the kitchen. It only took a couple months for party time to transition to whining, sniveling time. By the way , where is “Economystic” anyways? He’d be a good wingman. Got the patter to sweet talk a couple unemployed nice sweet things up for a party. Fancy hotel rooms going real cheap.

#204 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 10:14 pm

@#192 Don
“Tactical nukes….the future of conventional warfare?”
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The scary version?

During the 1980’s…. the NATO military command performed numerous hypothetical war games with the assumed “enemy” as Russia and its allies.
These indoor games were designed as simulations for officers to hone their skills for logistics(food, ammo, fuel resupply, etc.), troop replenishment, MASH units, on and on and on.
As the games entered the second, third and fourth days of rapid enemy troop and tank movements, strategic bridges captured or destroyed, fuel depos captured or destroyed, loss after loss, retreat became the only option.
Time and time again, the observers were shocked at how quickly American and Allied officers called for tactical nukes to “slow down” the Russian advance to give them breathing room.

When you’re losing a battle and you may be captured…..ANY option….is an option.

#205 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 10:15 pm

Stop having beers on your driveway or chatting with your neighbours!

https://nationalpost.com/news/local-news/physical-distancing-loopholes-need-to-stop-ottawa-health-official-says/wcm/da5f42f6-ed34-4dfb-8087-41dec3912542?video_autoplay=true

Ottawa’s associate medical officer of health Dr. Brent Moloughney says STOP IT! Why call people on this. They’ve totally lost the plot!

#206 Italy on 04.15.20 at 10:17 pm

Total disgrace as to its pandemic response or lack thereof .

Would not set foot in that country . Financially a total disaster ,let’s keep in mind the size of its in underground economy

Reap what you sow Italy .

#207 Ponzius Pilatus on 04.15.20 at 10:22 pm

Dolce,
In your opinion when will the Seria A commence league play?
Thank you.

#208 conan on 04.15.20 at 10:31 pm

#192 DON on 04.15.20 at 9:18 pm

“Tactical nukes….the future of conventional warfare?”

I have heard that. A rush to very low yield weapons.
The Infantry would use it. Special ops with a bang. The new thinking is that it would not lead to MADD, but gives a kick to mission capability.

#209 MDQ on 04.15.20 at 10:33 pm

To my Italian & Spaniard friends… enjoy the next 2 weeks, produce as much as you can and get ready for the next lockdown.

Hard to believe that after all they went through they are going back to ‘normal’.

Best of luck!

#210 Ponzius Pilatus on 04.15.20 at 10:38 pm

#10 Niall on 04.15.20 at 1:55 pm
Thanks Dolce Vita for a balanced and interesting perspective —
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Balanced?

#211 Figure it Out on 04.15.20 at 10:43 pm

I was intrigued by #88 Nixter’s post claiming Canada’s flu numbers were “exaggerated and fabricated,” and the CBC article linked.

So I built me a little excess deaths model in a spreadsheet, based on Statscan’s monthly death data from 2000-2018. I looked at the percentage of each year’s deaths that fell in December (of the previous year), January, and February.
They ranged from a low of 25.56% to 28.22%, with a standard deviation of 0.83% and an average of 26.68%. A low year has 2,000 to 2,500 fewer deaths in those three months than the average rate would predict, and a bad year has 3-4k more.

I also looked at the percentages of deaths for March-May, June-August, and September-November. The standard deviations were much lower, at 0.24%, 0.31% and 0.31% respectively. The variability of the death rate is much higher in December-February than in the other three quarters.

Something causes a swing in deaths from year to year in December, January and February. Weather? Doesn’t look like it. 2013-2014 was a particularly cold winter, but with lower than average % of deaths. It followed several mild winters, with both high and low deaths.

I think if something other than flu was causing swings in the death rate amounting to thousands of people from year to year, medical researchers would either have found it by now, or at least be looking for it. Such a major Factor X would be fuel for a lot of research papers.

#212 The Flying Foxtrot on 04.15.20 at 10:49 pm

Glad you’re doing well, Dolce Vita. Time to take a breath and take it all in. Must be exhausting. Look forward to many more of your insights.

– FF

#213 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 10:51 pm

Wanted.

Friend with the Common Cold.

Specifically HCoV-OC43 or HCoV-HKU1 variety only please.

Will buy you a beer of your choice in return.

If you must know, these two common colds are closely related to Covid-19 and I want the antibodies of one of these colds for the next 12 months to ensure I get mild version of Covid-19.

Don’t worry, no direct contact needed. We’ll figure it out. I’ll give you money for two coffees and you give me the change and the coffee? We’ll work it out.

#214 PastThePeak on 04.15.20 at 10:55 pm

#130 Nonplused on 04.15.20 at 6:31 pm

And people please please please stop comparing this thing to the flu. Yes, using US numbers it is true that covid has “only” killed 23,000 people compared to some 40,000 deaths from the flu in 2019.
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It is even more serious when you realize that the always repeated “flu death” numbers are actually just a modelling exercise that includes flu + all pneumonia as a broad estimate, that does not rely upon cause of death statistics. Studies done have shown these figures are vastly inflated:

– Perhaps up to 5K flu deaths for US, and 300-500 for Canada, per year.

https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

COVID-19 is significantly worse…

#215 Steerage Slushfund on 04.15.20 at 11:02 pm

#194 CERB or EI, not both on 04.15.20 at 9:28 pm

” T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??”

CRA is accepting pretty much everyone who applies for CERB without confirming eligibility, but they have promised to catch up with you’all later.

Tell your son he cannot collect both EI and CERB at the same time even though it is easy to accidentally or intentionally get around the system, and he should stop now and ask CRA how to pay back the over-payment. Otherwise he will pay the piper later.

CRA will find out later and will expect him to pay back the CERB collected. In addition he might be in a spot of trouble should he continue to double dip rather than fix his mistake early on.

Wife was laid off and applied for EI…… seemed all smooth.. and now money is flowing in!

First $2k.. and now three rounds of 500 have just appeared for a total of 3500 after being laid off for three weeks….

So system is a bit whacked!!!

Only applied for EI before CERB had started but we have no idea what they are doing!

Yes we will pay it back if it doesn’t get sorted out….

#216 Post on 04.15.20 at 11:04 pm

Once Safer Than Gold, Canadian Real Estate Braces for Reckoning:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-15/once-safer-than-gold-canadian-real-estate-meets-its-match

#217 Figure it Out on 04.15.20 at 11:05 pm

“And, La Repubblica is a left leaning semi- socialist publication – typical that a “teacher” like Dolce Vita would consider it an unbiased source.”

Absolutely! When you’re reading op-ed pieces like a list of businesses covered by the government’s reopening plans, it’s important to get it from the source that shares YOUR bias, like maybe the other big daily, the one that leaked Italy’s northern lockdown order, causing a chain of events which compounded her misery 10X.

But, he can’t be a man ’cause
He doesn’t smoke
The same cigarettes as me

#218 Post on 04.15.20 at 11:10 pm

Realtor faces professional, community backlash for incendiary letter warning of bank foreclosures:

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/realtor-faces-professional-community-backlash-for-incendiary-letter-warning-of-bank-foreclosures

#219 Toni on 04.15.20 at 11:16 pm

Molto Grazie Dolce Vita, una delle piu belle voce nel mondo. Thanks Garth, you guys rock!!

#220 Sally Tan on 04.15.20 at 11:22 pm

Drug addicted drunks, that’s what we want more of.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6822925/liquor-store-hours-longer-seniors-coronavirus/

Trudeau and co are all for ramping up the dope barns and extending the misery of alcoholism. Gee, really heroic.

In Thailand they’ve taken the opposite tack, still tough as nails on dopers and banning all liquor consumption nationwide. Instead they have public health officers, the way Canada has RCMP speed traps where individuals are randomly tested for drugs, and if they are consuming they are helped into mandatory treatment.

Same as the current total alcohol ban, instead of creating a depression era black market, the Thai offer withdrawal counselling and care for all alcoholics. Much more civilized don’t you think?

Isn’t drug and alcoholism a health problem after all? Get a life Mr Trudeau, and get kids off your drugs.

#221 YouKnowWho on 04.15.20 at 11:32 pm

I’ve been briefly talking to young people if they are in front or behind in social distance lines to see what they think of this situation.

I don’t think they understand how hard this will hit them. From the debt load everywhere loaded onto them. To jobs and opportunities. To holding hands on a date.
In my non-expert opinion 30% of SMBs will not make it to the other side of this, their revenue absorbed by Amazon and fast-food places. 30% of corporate jobs will not make it to the other side of this either. That’s a lot.

The limited sample of young people seem scared. Concerned. Not sure they understand that everything changes going forward.

How long before they figure out they are in the lowest risk group with most to lose with big life setbacks and throw caution to the wind?

#222 A-none-e-mouse on 04.15.20 at 11:34 pm

Way to go Trump! Fully support pulling funds from WHO who’s majorly in bed with China. Hind sight my @$$ tell me you didnt see the pandemic worsening in Feb. Unbelivable the lack of accountability everywhere…

Ps non-Dr. Ghebreyesus way to go Taiwan

#223 The real Kip (Ret) on 04.15.20 at 11:37 pm

We’ll, still think the BS story about Covid19 originating in bat soup? Fox News is now calling BS on it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fox-news-reports-coronavirus-originated-wuhan-lab

#224 Long-Time Lurker on 04.15.20 at 11:46 pm

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32951/pilots-rare-trip-around-area-51-includes-pics-of-range-targets-drone-bases-ufo-legends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1cp6q2pHg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSuExi1Jbo

#225 Lambchop on 04.15.20 at 11:47 pm

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-feds-planning-laws-against-covid-19-misinformation-is-ultimate-irony

“This is not a question of freedom of speech,” NDP MP Charlie Angus told CBC News. “This is a question of people who are actually actively working to spread disinformation, whether it’s through troll bot farms, whether (it’s) state operators or whether it’s really conspiracy theorist cranks who seem to get their kicks out of creating havoc.”

To that extent that there is a real problem, the government will need to articulate specific examples of misinformation, explain what tangible harms have been caused and why federal laws are the solution. They failed to adequately do this last summer when they wanted to bring in similar legislation to regulate speech during the fall election and that episode left many Canadians with the impression the Liberals were simply looking to use the law to curtail speech they didn’t like.

It’s hard to see why the Angus “conspiracy theorist cranks” example warrants a response from government. There always have been and always will be conspiracy theorists and outlawing them will only pour fuel on their fire.
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One more rung on the ladder to socialism.

#226 Westcdn on 04.15.20 at 11:53 pm

I have been giving some thought to the CERB thingy. I think it should have been made universal to all citizens who filed a 2018 tax return as of December 31, 2019.

Peoplekind 25 years or older would eligible for the full amount whereas peoplekind less than 25 would have the eligible benefit reduced by 10% for every year they were younger than 25 on December 31, 2019. To receive the benefit would require automatic bank deposit.

To pay for the benefit, GST would be increased; property taxes would include a Federal charge; Income Taxes would include a surcharge. That should be enough of a first step to get peoplekind toward a communist government in all but name only. I am old enough to remember in the 1970/80 USSR, everyone had to line up to buy everything and only the earlier ones actually got to buy.

People actually walked around to find lines to join. At least flour, water, potatoes and cabbage were plentiful.

#227 Not So New guy on 04.16.20 at 12:32 am

#167 not 1st on 04.15.20 at 7:51 pm

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The government needs to be reminded on occasion that they govern at the consent of the governed

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And to all those open border advocates this ‘crisis’ is a good example of why we need borders. They act as a natural quarantine zone. If one country makes a mistake, the borders can stop that mistake in its tracks. If another country has success, that can be copied and used.

Can you imagine what the world would look like if we were governed by one person like Bill Gates or Prince Justin? With Sweden trying one method, Taiwan trying another and other nations trying other things, we can arrive at a workable solution much faster than if we are all part of one homogenous group that all goes in the same direction

#228 Sask to AB on 04.16.20 at 1:22 am

Thank you Dolce Vita for this post!
Gives us hope.
Appreciate it.

F57AB

#229 SoggyShorts on 04.16.20 at 1:31 am

#110 Faron on 04.14.20 at 6:43 pm
#42 Timmy on 04.14.20 at 4:27 pm

Garth,

you talk about being financially literate and responsible for one’s finances. That’s fine for those of us who have good paying permanent–whatever that means–jobs, but how come no one is asking the question that as one of the richest countries in the world we have so many young people in precarious low paying jobs that are unable to save much, regardless of how frugal they are?
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Yes!
I would like to hear an answer to this question as well. From Garth or anyone with a thoughtful answer regardless of where you stand on the matter

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I think that the reason no one is really talking about it is that many simply don’t believe this exact problem exists.

Millions of Canadians also started out on minimum wage.
Millions had roommates, sometimes 4 or 5 of them.
Millions moved to other cities for opportunities or lower costs.
Millions worked second or even third jobs or overtime.
Then they got better jobs and saved up money.

The stereotype about mills blowing money on iPhones and Starbucks is obviously overblown, but the “frugal worker in a low paying job who can’t save” doesn’t ring true to those who’ve been there either.

Here’s a basic example:
Supposedly 40% of Canadians were $200 from trouble, right?

Here’s how someone like me reacts to that:
McDonald’s is hiring @ $15/h
2x8x15=240
= About $200 after tax.

So working just one single weekend at McDonald’s increases your safety net by 100%!

How the hell didnt everyone in that situation do at least that a few times? In fact, anyone who is literally living paycheck to paycheck strikes me as both crazy and lazy.
3-6 months living expenses may be a stretch depending on circumstances, but 14 days?! Not having a single paycheck of buffer room? Anyone who works under 60h a week has no excuse.

#230 jane24 on 04.16.20 at 1:44 am

As some of you know I have a summer house in Italy and live in England. My little town is WAY down South in Basilicata on the ankle bone of Italy. The town shut down like the rest of Italy with armed guards on the three roads leading up the mountain and announced that no relatives from the disease ridden north were welcome. Well one did get home and brought the virus to his immediate family killing the grandfather. The town went into total lock down but that was the only case of the virus to date with 12 out of 4500 people ill. Two families impacted.

Opinion in the town is divided between lock down saved us and lock down destroyed my business. Certainly all the budding tourism business is ruined for this year and the locals worked so very hard to build it. Italy cannot afford to shower all the free money that the UK and Canada can on its citizens. They are on their own. This is why family has always been and will always be so important.

Certainly will be interesting there today when folk are finally allowed out and the locals get hold of this family. Officially their names were not published but in a small town EVERYONE knows your name!

#231 Sky on 04.16.20 at 3:37 am

Professor Ben-Israel, head of the Security Studies program in Tel Aviv University and the chairman of the National Council for Research and Development, also head of Israeli Space Agency :

“He said the policy of lockdowns and closures was a case of “mass hysteria.” Simple social distancing would be sufficient, he said.

If the lockdowns instituted in Israel and elsewhere were not causing such immense economic havoc, there wouldn’t be a problem with them, he said. “But you shouldn’t be closing down the entire country when most of the population is not at high risk.”

Asked to explain why the virus had caused such a high death toll in countries such as Italy, he said the Italian health service was already overwhelmed. “It collapsed in 2017 because of the flu,” he said.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

The glorification of socialist health care systems is sickening. Canada’s was in horrific shape PRIOR to coronavirus so they emptied the hospitals by denying already suffering Canadian’s their rationed dose of ‘ health care.’ Nothing but a CYA operation.

And what good is a ventilator if 80% of COVID patients are destined to die anyway. New York’s health czar, Governor Cuomo, just came out and admitted this.

And of the 20% on ventilators, who do make it? What kind of shape are they in? This reeks of a very protracted and expensive method of dying. But it IS an extremely effective method of blowing up the western economies… compliments of the medical mafia and the shrieking media.

And if the governments truly cared about our health? Then why weren’t they building more hospitals instead of padding civil ‘servant’ salaries and erecting fancier buildings for them to work in for many,many decades?

#232 Sky on 04.16.20 at 3:48 am

And so it begins. Using the same old playbook and the same old jackboots on the ground. Still think this is about the virus and your safety? Snap out of it, people!!!

“German Lawyer Who Criticized Lockdown Arrested, Taken to Psych Ward”

“After being driven to the psychiatric facility, Bahner says she was treated like a terrorist.

“I asked to be allowed to sit down and was shown to a bench. Then I asked to have the handcuffs taken off, since it was actually I who had requested police protection,” she recounted. “But instead, I was thrown to the floor again, having my head hurled onto the stone floor from a meter height, which nobody reacted to.Then I was forced to spend the night lying on the floor in some high-security Guantanamo psychiatric clinic…there was no toilet, no sink, though they did allow me water, and there was a bell I could ring, though they ignored it after the third time I pressed it.

https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

#233 Wrk.dover on 04.16.20 at 4:00 am

Good Morning Garth. Thanks for the opportunity to say that. This link is all you really need to know today.

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ns-21_metric_e.html

Have a good one!

#234 Stan Brooks on 04.16.20 at 5:48 am

Hold on.

Unemployed, if laid off due to the coronavirus should have EI, correct? That goes for 9 months, correct?

So who is the fancy empty head in charge throwing money at?

Apparently you can have both EI and CERB:


https://globalnews.ca/news/6793526/coronavirus-canada-cerb-double-payments/

The CERB program is open both to Canadians who qualify for employment insurance (EI) and those who don’t, as long as they have lost their income due to COVID-19. For those who became eligible for EI on March 15 or later, those EI claims are to be automatically transferred to CERB.

A good incentive for people to quit their jobs and live on handouts, no? Or ask your boss to be fired.

Having a stable job or a small business with contingency, being a saver, being a prudent taxpayer or a retiree?

I have a news for you: You get nothing but the privilege to pay for the above through your future taxes and the obvious inflation tax.

Ah, and look at the action with the loonie, melting right before your eyes. ‘Inflation’ of course is sub 2 %.

And no, the incompetent central bankers are ‘definitely not doing QE’ by buying junk provincial and corporate debt.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-14/bank-of-canada-set-for-bigger-buying-spree-decision-day-guide

Buying a billion of government bonds per day folks, 5 billions a week, 30 bucks per citizen per day. Then comes the 50 billion of provincial debt, even corporate junk debt. Monetization and money printing.

Be aware of inflation. It is already here. You will be completely wiped out.

Cheers,

#235 Sky on 04.16.20 at 7:05 am

BREAKING NEWS :

“…professor and chair of family medicine at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center in New Brunswick, New Jersey. “I’ve been in practice for 30 years, and it’s been a good 15 or 20 years since I’ve seen a flu-related illness scenario like we’ve had this year.”

“Tallia says his hospital is “managing, but just barely,” at keeping up with the increased number of sick patients in the last three weeks. The hospital’s urgent-care centers have also been inundated, and its outpatient clinics have no appointments available.”

“The story is similar in Alabama, which declared a state of emergency last week…”

“In California, which has been particularly hard hit… several hospitals have set up large “surge tents” outside their emergency departments …this week, emergency departments had standing-room only, and some patients had to be treated in hallways.”

“…Pennsylvania, set up a similar surge tent in its parking lot on Monday, in response to an increase in patients presenting with various viral illnesses…”

“In Fenton, Missouri, SSM Health St. Clare Hospital has opened its emergency overflow wing, as well as all outpatient centers and surgical holding centers, to make more beds available to patients who need them. Nurses are being “pulled from all floors to care for them…Many nurses have also become sick, however, so the staff is also short-handed.”

“More and more patients are needing mechanical ventilation due to respiratory failure from the flu and other rampant upper respiratory infections.”

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Well, you get the drift. But it’s not actually breaking news. The above snippets are from the 2017/18 flu season. (link below)

All we’re force fed is BROKEN NEWS. If the situation was so dire back in 2017, why wasn’t this all over the news? Why did we instead get only 24/7 attacks on Trump and Russia collusion hysteria? Why weren’t social distancing rules and economic and personal lockdowns implemented? Where were the fines and arrests back then?

And why have all these horrific measures been put in place now??

“Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents”

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

#236 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 7:23 am

The latest guesstimate from the “experts” is that 23 million in the USA have the virus-28.6 thousand have died-one in 804 people they estimate have died from this virus. Not exactly the Black Plague. Even if they lift all restrictions tomorrow most people are going to Social Distance and be super cautious-the guv should be encouraging people to do this on a voluntary basis permanently and making the public aware of infectious disease-but it should be voluntary-freedom shouldn’t just be the freedom to pay taxes to support wasteful spending.

#237 CdnExpat on 04.16.20 at 7:46 am

Garth, why do you put up with half these comments? What a disgrace some people are…and they call themselves Canadian!? Ugh.

#238 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.16.20 at 8:18 am

@#218 Post
“Realtor faces professional, community backlash for incendiary letter warning of bank foreclosures:”

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Gee a realtor taking advantage of turbulent times to gain an advantage.

Kinda reminds me to the By-Law nazis handing out $850 dollar fines to a parent playing with their kids in an empty park.
Gotta “game” the rules no matter how asinine.

#239 TurnerNation on 04.16.20 at 8:28 am

Watch where your money is going folks!!

Onex – owner of Westjet airlines- is getting cash from the Feds (well taxpayers) to pay its employees.

“The Globe and Mail reports in its Friday edition that WestJet Airlines plans to bring back nearly 6,400 laid-off employees to the payroll using Ottawa’s emergency wage subsidy program”

THEN…this news. They are using excess funds from operations to buy back shares. Huh? The day this all hit I posted we are seeing the Largest Global Corporate Takeover Ever. Yes a virus did that. What can’t it do.

“Onex Corp. has filed with the Toronto Stock Exchange, and the exchange has accepted, a notice of intention to make a normal course issuer bid permitting Onex to purchase for cancellation up to 10 per cent of the public float in its subordinate voting shares or 8,135,162 shares. “

#240 Dharma Bum on 04.16.20 at 8:30 am

#14 Sail Away

A little gratuitous, since rotting teeth are a medical concern, not a character flaw.
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Wrong.

It’s mostly due to poor education and poor cultural norms, and poverty. It’s a hillbilly thing. Lots of sugar, mostly through soda consumption. Smoking. Drug use. Poor oral hygiene. Giving up on oneself. Low self esteem.

It’s much more common among the lowlife.

It’s rampant in the Appalachian region of the U.S.

#241 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.16.20 at 8:32 am

@#230 jane24
“As some of you know I have a summer house in Italy and live in England. ”
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jane jane jane.
Please dont feign false modesty. It doesnt become you.

OF COURSE we all know you have a Pallazzo (Palace) in Southern Italy….
Its all you incessantly brag about.
But , frankly. Its beyond me how you can stand living in such poverty. All those grubby common folk must be such a strain on ones’ self image.
Not to worry. Every 6 months or so…You get to go to Jolly old Blighty and brag about your tan to any and all who will listen. (the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker….)
If all else fails and everyone tires of your tales of woe suffering the indignity of rubbing shoulders with smelly rabble on The Continent…….you can come back here to your place of birth ( not to worry, I wont tell anyone your actually a Canuck).
The snow bound , toothless, rubes of Canada await your arrival when the planes resume flying.

Ta ta DAH-ling, talk soon.

Your loving nemisis,
Fartzy

#242 Steven Rowlandson on 04.16.20 at 8:50 am

Speaking of diseases let’s bring up the topic of real estate.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/once-safer-than-gold-canadian-real-estate-braces-for-reckoning-1.1422032

#243 Dharma Bum on 04.16.20 at 8:54 am

As a follow up post, please get Dolce to elucidate the strengths of Italy, notwithstanding the country’s well known inability to avoid chaos, regardless of what is happening.

We want to hear more about its strengths, like:

Pizza
Spaghetti
Hot babes
Zeppole
Cannoli
Stiletto
Braciole
Ferrari
Fiat
Alfa Romeo
Lamborghini
Carabinieri
Capri
Cappuccino
Peroni
Pepperoni
Vespa
Gelato
Mafioso
Bambini
Mama Mia
Vaffanculo

#244 I believe everything on Television on 04.16.20 at 9:07 am

many people disagree with social distancing there’s a video interview with Knut Wittkowski, he says it guarantees a second wave by eliminating heard immunity
which ties in with t2s ‘wave and wavelet’ speech. How did t2 know? he was told the virus would be back in the fall because of social distancing

#245 Sky on 04.16.20 at 9:14 am

Another 5 million jobs murdered in latest US job’s numbers.

Government and its medical mafia is the axe killer who just sliced open your carotid artery. And now you have to beg this SAME axe murderer to please, please bring out your sewing kit and sew us up again.

If lockdown doesn’t end immediately there will be nothing left to fix except for a puddle of blood on the floor. Make that an ocean.

#246 PastThePeak on 04.16.20 at 9:20 am

#236 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 7:23 am
The latest guesstimate from the “experts” is that 23 million in the USA have the virus-28.6 thousand have died-one in 804 people they estimate have died from this virus.
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And what data is used to determine that 23M have the virus? A “guesstimate” is mostly guess, with little estimation. Why would someone want to take a guess over hard data?

Hard data: Of the 2.1M confirmed cases globally, a total of 660K have had a conclusive outcome. 524K have recovered, and 136K have died, for a case fatality rate = 21%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Do we all hope and expect this rate will drop with more testing. Absolutely. But this is based on now 660K outcomes (a large number statistically), and it is the data that is real today.

#247 The Wet One on 04.16.20 at 9:22 am

Jeez Dolce Vita.

Was the suck up to Garth really necessary?

:-/

#248 Flop... on 04.16.20 at 9:41 am

Lots of people are banging pots and pans at 7 o’clock at night to show support for healthcare workers.

As mentioned with the near silence in the morning my truck sounds extra loud.

I will give a few extra revs this morning to celebrate gas being under a buck again.

If you look closely at the smoke coming out of the exhaust as it drifts up into the Sakura, you can almost see a word being spelled out.

G…..R….E…T, can’t make out the last letter.

I think it’s an A.

I get it!

My gas guzzler wants to thank Greta…

M45BC

#249 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 9:56 am

#61 Dolce, would you consider Italy “third world” in terms of convenience, availability , access to satellite technology. It seems there will be a lot of houses and flats for rent and sale after the Corona Death Machine passes. It would have to be amazing to want to deal with the Shengen residence tax filing.

But I can’t see living in a place where you go wanting for the mod cons. I’ve tried Malta and Israel for the Med atmos, but you have to do without so much. I think a great alternative is Singapore, which is a great environment, but so hot. Restless feet are what they are, and the thought of returning to Canada bores me to death.

Portugal, same thing, third world with nice scenery. You can only take so much of that. And yes, Paris is nice enough, but it’s knee deep nowadays and not what it used to be. Spain is finished, nothing but drunk Brits and resentful locals.

#250 TheDood on 04.16.20 at 10:06 am

“Only government price gouging allowed”

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/matthew-lau-only-government-price-gouging-allowed

#251 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 10:18 am

If you have 5 minutes there is a site called Political Compass that is really interesting-I took the test and I am literally right in the middle of the population who have taken the test (slightly right economically, slightly libertarian) which is amusing as according to the MSM I am fringe right. Which draws the conclusion the MSM itself if far left on these issues, not the population centre at all. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=0.13&soc=-0.77

#252 TurnerNation on 04.16.20 at 10:20 am

This is just insanity, the level of social & economic control they have planned. Trapped in our minds, everyone is the enemy. Might as well collect UBI, sit at home and smoke T2’s soma.

All for a virus you MIGHT have which MIGHT affect someone else which MIGHT sicken them which MIGHT overwhelm hospitals. For life. This is science or social control?

https://www.cushmanwakefield.com/en/netherlands/six-feet-office

THE 6 FEET OFFICE CONCEPT CONSISTS OF SIX ELEMENTS:
1. 6 Feet Quick Scan: A concise but thorough analysis of the current working environment in the field of virus safety and any other opportunities for improvement.
2. 6 Feet Rules: A set of simple and clear workable agreements and rules of conduct that put the safety of everyone first.
3. 6 Feet Routing: A visually displayed and unique routing for each office, making traffic flows completely safe.
4. 6 Feet Workstation: An adapted and fully equipped workplace at which the user can work safely.
5. 6 Feet Facility: A trained employee who advises on and operationally ensures an optimally functioning and safe facility environment.
6. 6 Feet Certificate: A certificate stating that measures have been taken to implement a virus-safe working environment.

#253 not 1st on 04.16.20 at 10:23 am

“It’s great we have a government that says they have the fiscal firepower to do this but anyone with any math skills can calculate that my daughter’s grandchildren aren’t even going to be able to pay this off,” says Reza Sabour, a Vancouver mortgage broker. “What’s the plan after?”

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/once-safer-than-gold-canadian-real-estate-braces-for-reckoning/ar-BB12J3B5?ocid=spartanntp

#254 Blacksheep on 04.16.20 at 10:23 am

Vitamin D-3 + Vitamin K-2 + N-95 mask + washed hands = best case scenarios at avoiding serious illness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSXNGc7pfs

#255 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 10:26 am

#246 Past-yeah it is a guesstimate but you have to understand that right now the vast majority of people getting tested for this virus are already very sick-the estimate (guesstimate) is that possible 80% of those infected won’t get sick at all-so obviously they aren’t going to a hospital to be tested. So we know the 2.1 million number is the floor number for cases-nobody knows the ceiling-thus the guesstimate.

#256 Don Guillermo on 04.16.20 at 10:29 am

#249 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 9:56 am

I think a great alternative is Singapore, which is a great environment, but so hot. Restless feet are what they are, and the thought of returning to Canada bores me to death
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Singapore seriously? Clean, modern, orderly and one of the most boring cities on the planet!

#257 Wrk.dover on 04.16.20 at 10:36 am

#243 Dharma Bum on 04.16.20 at 8:54 am
As a follow up post, please get Dolce to elucidate the strengths of Italy, notwithstanding the country’s well known inability to avoid chaos, regardless of what is happening.

We want to hear more about its strengths, like:

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Limoncello

Just a little improves any liquor. Bigly!

#258 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 10:42 am

#256 G, aside from the beaches, the environment, the islands, sailing, the food, the shopping, the social life, the entertainment , the geography, the security, the amazing lifestyle in condo resorts, year round golf, horse racing, easy and cheap jetting off to incredible dive sites, yes, expats are mostly snobbish and are even more insular than the locals. It’s like Miami only Asian and safe. But it’s nice to move around and there’s so few places that have it all so a person doesn’t get tired of the scenery.

It’s a rich persons town for sure. The average expat salary is over $300, 000. That can be off putting if you’re not able to access those things. But, Singers has all the mod cons, makes Canada seem like a hilly billy hoe down by comparison.

#259 Sail Away on 04.16.20 at 10:46 am

#254 Blacksheep on 04.16.20 at 10:23 am

Vitamin D-3 + Vitamin K-2 + N-95 mask + washed hands = best case scenarios at avoiding serious illness.

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I’m good with none of the paraphernalia, but you should do you.

#260 Sold Out on 04.16.20 at 10:52 am

#251 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 10:18 am
If you have 5 minutes there is a site called Political Compass that is really interesting-I took the test and I am literally right in the middle of the population who have taken the test (slightly right economically, slightly libertarian) which is amusing as according to the MSM I am fringe right. Which draws the conclusion the MSM itself if far left on these issues, not the population centre at all. https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=0.13&soc=-0.77

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You’re familiar with the Overton window?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Everyone is trying to manipulate the narrative. Everyone.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass

#261 Sky on 04.16.20 at 10:52 am

@ TurnerNation #252

THE 6 FEET OFFICE CONCEPT CONSISTS OF SIX ELEMENTS ….

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If it actually comes down to this going forward – then they’ll need to add what will become an increasingly popular 7th element – The 6 feet UNDER option.

#262 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 10:57 am

We Canadian taxpayers paid about a million dollars to finance COVID research at the infamous Wuhan lab-you would think this would be a HUGE story in the Canadian MSM-just kidding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8METdQDBPXo

#263 Figure it Out on 04.16.20 at 11:13 am

“It’s great we have a government that says they have the fiscal firepower to do this but anyone with any math skills can calculate that my daughter’s grandchildren aren’t even going to be able to pay this off,”

I’ll be telling my grandchildren that they don’t have to start paying off the COVID debt until after the Boomers have finished paying for Vietnam and Gen X has paid the chit on Reagan’s Strategic Defence Initiative.

” says Reza Sabour, a Vancouver mortgage broker.”

You’d think that if anyone understands how this works, it’s a Vancouver mortgage broker. A rolling loan gathers no loss!

#264 Fasa on 04.16.20 at 11:19 am

Very confused, many business are either laying off people or asking their workforce to take a temporary pay cut to get through this crisis. Why are provincial and federal works not being asked to do the same?

#265 D on 04.16.20 at 11:28 am

Thanks for posting this. It’s nice to have his perspective.
Keep up the investment advice! We could all use it.

I could use some help though – I’m primarily a dividend fund seeker, love the REIT’s although I just learned a valuable lesson about leveraged funds which are called automatically at a low limit! Still, my fnuds pay month after month a good rate no matter how much people are paying for them on the market. However I continuously read/see/hear people talk about equities. It seems to me this is basically gambling unless you’re trading on behalf of a fund and have researchers employed to get real-time info. Am I an idiot for not buying Apple, Google, Facebook, tip of the day, etc? They tend to increase in value, but my dividend funds have as good or better yields.

#266 Figure it Out on 04.16.20 at 11:30 am

” … there is a site called Political Compass …”

If you wanted to design a site to gather information on exactly how to push people’s political buttons via targeted advertising, you probably couldn’t do much better than Political Compass. It makes Cambridge Analytica’s “personality test” look crude by comparison.

#267 PastThePeak on 04.16.20 at 11:32 am

#255 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 10:26 am
#246 Past-yeah it is a guesstimate but you have to understand that right now the vast majority of people getting tested for this virus are already very sick-the estimate (guesstimate) is that possible 80% of those infected won’t get sick at all-so obviously they aren’t going to a hospital to be tested. So we know the 2.1 million number is the floor number for cases-nobody knows the ceiling-thus the guesstimate.
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I understand your point, and I agree that there is definitely a number of people that are not tested which would have contracted the disease (mild to no symptoms).

My point is that we don’t know what that is (there is actually no hard data at all). Hence when people throw around a “guess” and repeat it as fact, stating this is nothing more than the flu – it has no basis in reality.

Also, of the 2.1M confirmed cases, if you go to the Worldometers site, you will see that of Active Cases (snapshot of “right now”), 96% of them are mild (basically no hospital) and 4% severe/critical (in hospital). So the testing is catching lots with mild-to-medium symptoms, most of whom stay at home.

What happens is some with mild symptoms end up going to the hospital after a week of so (e.g Boris Johnson), and progress from there.

This is why increasing the testing capabilities (and antibody testing) is so important so we can determine the true extent.

#268 Faron on 04.16.20 at 11:48 am

#242 Steven Rowlandson on 04.16.20 at 8:50 am

Speaking of diseases let’s bring up the topic of real estate.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/once-safer-than-gold-canadian-real-estate-braces-for-reckoning-1.1422032

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Thanks for the article. It pretty much re-iterates what we’ve read on this blog for years. As much as I want to see the insanity of the Vancouver/Toronto real estate markets get taken back to earth, I fear the resulting recession would be apocalyptic especially in light of what’s currently going down with the virus.

A huge portion of Canada’s workforce and major components of its banking system are propped up by the real estate bubble. A crash would mean massive job losses and threaten the banks.

Real Estate in Canada has become too big to fail. The gov’t will do everything in its power to keep it propped up.

#269 Slim on 04.16.20 at 11:52 am

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, the arm waving and finger pointing has started amongst our so called leaders.

#270 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.16.20 at 11:52 am

#237 CdnExpat on 04.16.20 at 7:46 am sez:

“Garth, why do you put up with half these comments? What a disgrace some people are…and they call themselves Canadian!? Ugh.”
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I agree! These fearmongers and Social Distance Warriors are brutal!

#271 Penny Henny on 04.16.20 at 11:54 am

#189 WUL on 04.15.20 at 9:09 pm
#155 Mr Canada on 04.15.20 at 7:29 pm
Great post Dolce Vita ! Hard to believe, I was in Rome and Abruzzo just 6 months ago. T2 in Canada is throwing money at everything. My son was laid off in March due to C-19, he has an apartment in Toronto (yes, he paid the rent April 1) and he just received Ei, plus he just got the $2k CERB deposited into his account this week (I thought he could not get both), anyways, today, a cheque arrived in the mail for another $2k as well. What the ??

????…

Why, just today I explored that possibility. My son was laid off from his job in Calgary. I wondered about collecting EI and CERB. He received his first EI money today. The requirements are set out on dominionofcanada.com or whatever the Feds’ website is.

It clearly states that if you are receiving EI, you cannot obtain CERB.

I think your son will have to pay the CERB $ back. Fortunately, the website has links to easily explore that. In the meantime, he can invest it in a high interest savings account and earn a return, of what, .2 percent.

WUL

M64LawfullyYoursInThe Mac

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I believe your questions can be answered here sirs.

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/cerb-application/questions.html

#272 Don Guillermo on 04.16.20 at 11:57 am

#258 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 10:42 am
#256 G, aside from the beaches, the environment, the islands, sailing, the food, the shopping, the social life, the entertainment , the geography, the security, the amazing lifestyle in condo resorts, year round golf, horse racing, easy and cheap jetting off to incredible dive sites, yes, expats are mostly snobbish and are even more insular than the locals. It’s like Miami only Asian and safe. But it’s nice to move around and there’s so few places that have it all so a person doesn’t get tired of the scenery.
It’s a rich persons town for sure. The average expat salary is over $300, 000. That can be off putting if you’re not able to access those things. But, Singers has all the mod cons, makes Canada seem like a hilly billy hoe down by comparison
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I apologize for sounding condescending towards Singapore. It’s an amazing city. Being an expat is an incredible experience anywhere in the world. I have had good fortune to enjoy the lifestyle for many years. Coming back to your home country can be a huge let down. It’s labelled reverse culture shock. You’re not treated special ( no extra high salaries, non-resident tax breaks, paid for posh accommodations, per-diems, supplied cars or drivers etc.). Most friends will tire of all the exotic stories and you gradually fade back into your old life. When I returned to Canada my car insurance went sky high as if I had just dropped in from another planet. They wouldn’t recognize any driving history older than 5 years. When I have returned to some of the old haunts as a tourist it’s was never quite as glamourous as the expat days. Jessica, if you are in a similar situation, enjoy it to the max. It will be some of the best days and memories of your life. My only regret is I wish I would have engaged someone like Garth the day I reentered Canada. Having said all of that I still prefer Hong Kong (wink).

#273 Attrition on 04.16.20 at 12:06 pm

#247 The Wet One on 04.16.20 at 9:22 am

Jeez Dolce Vita.

Was the suck up to Garth really necessary?

:-/

No doubt, eh.

#274 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.16.20 at 12:11 pm

#269 Slim on 04.16.20 at 11:52 am sez:

“With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, the arm waving and finger pointing has started amongst our so called leaders.”
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I see this as a good thing. Maybe now they’ll realize that we overshot and dial back the restrictions a little bit.

The curve has been flattened. Squashed beyond recognition. Like roadkill under a transport.

#275 YouKnowWho on 04.16.20 at 12:19 pm

Hey, serious question.

If they can make a little box that can scan a sample and find crazy minute traces of a Covid-19 virus, how was Theranos not able to do much simpler tests on blood in same manner?

Something doesn’t seem to add up here.

Need some scientific explanation please if someone has.

#276 Penny Henny on 04.16.20 at 12:39 pm

My gas guzzler wants to thank Greta…

M45BC
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If Greta wasn’t so mixed up she’d be Great.

#277 Sail away on 04.16.20 at 12:42 pm

#270 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.16.20 at 11:52 am
#237 CdnExpat on 04.16.20 at 7:46 am sez:

“Garth, why do you put up with half these comments? What a disgrace some people are…and they call themselves Canadian!? Ugh.”

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I agree! These fearmongers and Social Distance Warriors are brutal!

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Yes, there is entirely too much of that.

Back to the question, though: I assume these people call themselves Canadian because, they are, in fact, Canadian.

#278 Low Income on 04.16.20 at 12:43 pm

There is no single answer as to reasons given to the rise of low income jobs.
Ryan’s post Dec 8, 2018 points to decreasing manufacturing jobs due to increases in productivity and increase in globalization.
increases in Service jobs is another reason
I liked to add that jobs are also driven lower by profit.
For example it’s coming to light majority of nursing homes pay low wages, hence why people worked many shifts in different homes. All for profit or tight margins.

Personally it’s a disgrace, but that’s a fact in life

Me personally thinks the majority of Canadians will not work for $15 an hour. Every time I go into a nursing home, fast food places it’s mostly new Canadians.
And they work very hard, many work three jobs and save money.
I have a friend who works in Manufacturing in the united stated 90 percent of the workers are Mexican because of low wages.
Which tells me there are so many people from foreign countries willing to work for cheaper wages.

I am sure there are many reasons all cumulating to lower wages in Canada.

As I side note I worked, gosh 40 years ago, I made 3.00 an hour and worked 60 hours a week, I thought I was king.

On another note
I have read other blogs many owners are worried workers will not come back to work
As pointed out
15$ usually a 30 hour week is $450 or $1,800 a month
And by the way they don’t pay tax at this level.
So why work when you can stay at home for $2,000 a month and yes again if a low income earner tax free.

Have a great day
And thanks Garth!

#279 War loans on 04.16.20 at 12:50 pm

Does anyone remember 2006?
That was the year England made the final payment to Canada and US for loans made during the second war.

Just for information

#280 Attrition on 04.16.20 at 12:55 pm

To validate Covid19 tests, we should acquire 10 kits, and test them using only ten identical sterile glasses of water. Dip ‘n test.

Then, using 10 kits from another manufacturer, and 10 more sterile glasses of water, do the same.

Finally, 10 more from yet another manufacturer.

The result would be 30 tests tested.

What would be the % of false positives?

Would any of the glasses of water be considered ‘asymptomatic’ carriers of the virus?

Let’s find out. Let’s test the test kits ourselves.

Anyone…um…got any?

#281 PSL on 04.16.20 at 12:58 pm

nobody should be worried about the national debt. neither here nor the US nor Europe, nor anywhere else for that matter.

central banks will print all the money we need. it’s a beautiful system.

#282 Lambchop on 04.16.20 at 1:02 pm

#276 Penny Henny on 04.16.20 at 12:39 pm

If Greta wasn’t so mixed up she’d be Great.
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Hahaha!

#283 Dogman01 on 04.16.20 at 1:12 pm

#278 Low Income on 04.16.20 at 12:43 pm

Good comment.

We need to create more resiliency in Canada, that means stop the deliberate structuring of our economy for a low wage future.

#284 Attrition on 04.16.20 at 1:13 pm

#237 CdnExpat on 04.16.20 at 7:46 am sez:

“Garth, why do you put up with half these comments? What a disgrace some people are…and they call themselves Canadian!? Ugh.”

So, there are things called freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of association, freedom of expression…

#285 MF on 04.16.20 at 1:16 pm

274 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.16.20 at

We overshot? Yesterday we had 51 people die.

In some parts of the world, death numbers were in the thousands/day.

MF

#286 Ronaldo on 04.16.20 at 1:25 pm

#201 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.15.20 at 10:02 pm
@#169 Flop
“It’s like a plane taking off…”
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Awesome!
If you can find an old hand cranked air raid siren, strap it to the roof and let er rip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xRTeu6Sd4c

why should THEY get to sleep in
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Got’s to get me one of them things to respond to the two ferries sitting at the dock here blowing their horns at 7 p.m. each evening. That would be kinda fun. Good for New Year’s eve too.

#287 MF on 04.16.20 at 1:31 pm

258 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 10:42

Singapore, like a lot of these expat hubs, has an ugly underbelly that is easily exposed if you look.

Ask the migrant workers how much they enjoy it, and if they would consider Canada some “hill billy town” by comparison.

MF

#288 oh bouy on 04.16.20 at 1:36 pm

@#256 Don Guillermo on 04.16.20 at 10:29 am
#249 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 9:56 am

I think a great alternative is Singapore, which is a great environment, but so hot. Restless feet are what they are, and the thought of returning to Canada bores me to death
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Singapore seriously? Clean, modern, orderly and one of the most boring cities on the planet!
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paved over paradise and put up a parking lot fits what singapore is.

#289 Toronto_CA on 04.16.20 at 1:37 pm

#246 PastThePeak on 04.16.20 at 9:20 am
#236 BrianT on 04.16.20 at 7:23 am
The latest guesstimate from the “experts” is that 23 million in the USA have the virus-28.6 thousand have died-one in 804 people they estimate have died from this virus.
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And what data is used to determine that 23M have the virus? A “guesstimate” is mostly guess, with little estimation. Why would someone want to take a guess over hard data?

Hard data: Of the 2.1M confirmed cases globally, a total of 660K have had a conclusive outcome. 524K have recovered, and 136K have died, for a case fatality rate = 21%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Do we all hope and expect this rate will drop with more testing. Absolutely. But this is based on now 660K outcomes (a large number statistically), and it is the data that is real today.

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That 660k outcomes is one part of the number, the numerator. We don’t know the demononater because we don’t know how many cases of the virus is out there. And yes, 23mil cases in the USA is a much more accurate estimate than whatever confirmed positive tests are currently on Worldometer because so few people have been tested in any country and a huge proportion of people are asymptomatic and won’t get tested ever.

21% fatality rate? Good God the number of people who are numerically illiterate is astounding me, and this is on a finance blog.

#290 Ronaldo on 04.16.20 at 1:38 pm

#205 Don Guillermo on 04.15.20 at 10:15 pm
Stop having beers on your driveway or chatting with your neighbours!

https://nationalpost.com/news/local-news/physical-distancing-loopholes-need-to-stop-ottawa-health-official-says/wcm/da5f42f6-ed34-4dfb-8087-41dec3912542?video_autoplay=true

Ottawa’s associate medical officer of health Dr. Brent Moloughney says STOP IT! Why call people on this. They’ve totally lost the plot!
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Yes, and over here on Vancouver Island we are also told to stay home and only go out for essentials yet they allow people from the lower mainland and everywhere else to hop on the ferries and come over and use our parks and beaches to get away for the long weekend. Go figure. Makes no sense whatsoever and makes one wonder why we take all this so serious. Are they that stupid?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/vancouver-island-leaders-plead-for-stronger-long-weekend-ferry-restrictions/

#291 Yuus bin Haad on 04.16.20 at 2:07 pm

At the presser, Chief Saunders explained that the panhandlers hold a special “vagrants permit” that allows them to congregate on the sidewalks and approach people for handouts even during pandemic lock-downs. “Not having to go after them”, the Chief went on, “allows us time to chase down those evil citizen scofflaws who insist on playing Frisbee in the parks.”

#292 TurnerNation on 04.16.20 at 2:38 pm

It’s worth driving home again this is all about control of the food supply. The lockdown will continue until most small business are bust, and the supply chain broken more. Government will step in more and more, to “fix” the food supply. They also can control/limit the flow of TFW so needed in food production.
If anyone has evidence to the contrary let me know.
ZH is a so-so source but this matches the shut down also taking place in the USA:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/canadian-meat-industry-warns-immediate-and-drastic-impact-supply

#293 cto on 04.16.20 at 3:08 pm

#268 Faron on 04.16.20 at 11:48 am
#242 Steven Rowlandson on 04.16.20 at 8:50 am

“Real Estate in Canada has become too big to fail. The gov’t will do everything in its power to keep it propped up.”

You’re right, I could see this coming from a mile away…
All those that were carefull and didn’t subscibe to the fomo missed out.;
The socialists will socialize the losses!!!

Now who’s the greaterfool Garth???

#294 maxx on 04.16.20 at 4:03 pm

@ #45

No kidding. I wouldn’t touch take-me-out-with-kaleidobugs under any circumstance.

And if you get a whiff of perfume or after-shave, you’re in bug territory; forget the 2 meters, wear face cover and stay upwind.

#295 Jessica on 04.16.20 at 10:14 pm

#288 Oh Bouy.

Singers was an impoverished malaria swamp in large measure , even up until the 1970’s . A little pavement and a lot of elbow grease went into making it the miracle it is today. What they really did right was use the waterfront for commerce. What they did with the old quays and esplanades was revolutionary. They turned the old and decrepit into amazing walkways lined with shops , cafes , hotels and restaurants, destinations for tourists who spend billions and empty millions. Vancouver waterfront in contrast, False Creek, Kits, Pt Grey, Vancouver Hbr , is dark, concrete, industrial , inaccessible, unlit corridors for junkies and sex work. In other words, a “shitte hole cityscape”. At least in Singers you can go out and enjoy a modern lifestyle. Vancouver planners really screwed up.