Resurrection

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Happy Easter.

The following needs to be stated.

In recent days a number of people have tried to coopt this blog for their own twisted agenda. You would have missed much of it, since the comments were trashed as I saw them stream by. There is a neo-Nazi wanker from Ontario repeatedly trying to get in. Yesterday another zealot posted the manifesto of a Colorado-based NRA nutcase on the death of civil liberties and the need for unrest. A number of our resident loonies and haters have linked the C19 smackdown to a grand globalist conspiracy. And there are a tide of socons and libertarians who decry the rapid advance of big government, claiming the virus is a perfect ruse for bureaucratic tyranny and despotic rule.

Why here?

Likely because this blog has lamented the shutting down of the economy; the fact 1.01 million people lost their jobs last month; that four million must now live on government handouts and hundreds of thousands of families can pay neither mortgages nor rents. This is tragic. So has been the loss of five or six hundred Canadian lives during this pandemic, of course. It is all intensely regrettable.

Have politicians handled the crisis as well as they could have? This week the prime minister suggested we’d be in the current state a year. Clearly a huge number of businesses will never reopen if that is the case. Unemployment will go from temporary to structural. The standard of living will drop substantially. Millions will be thrust back into poverty. Government budgets will be ballooned for a generation with inflated levels of tax and diminished opportunity for the young. That’s what a single year of this will mean, and more.

During the event governments, national and provincial, have passed emergency decrees, ordered people to stay home, dictated what businesses must shutter, closed borders and airports while directing police to charge, fine or arrest people who walk too near to others or traverse a park they declared closed. Unprecedented economic measures have been put into place, with clear consequences. Through the process, opposition leaders have been largely silent. Legislatures have been closed. Debate absent. Votes not held. And all this is worrisome.

But none of these points, questions or concerns should be construed by any social misfit as suggesting that society’s best option was to sit back and let the virus rip through the herd. Doing nothing was never an alternative. The bug needs to be squished and the health care system spared from melting down. The efforts people have put into social distancing, personal hygiene and altering their daily lives have been both impressive and effective. We are in far better shape for them. Together we want this thing to end. And we’re doing what we must to bring that about.

But we also need to work, support our families, school the kids, keep our houses, make money and spend it supporting others. The economic damage occurring daily is incalculable. Whole industries are disintegrating. Robust businesses are dying from lack of cash flow. An entire nation of people cannot stay confined at home, living off subsistence government payments – as much as politicians want to breed dependency.

We need hope. A roadmap. Leadership from the darkness back into the sun. Treating a population as if it were comprised of six-year-olds is unhelpful. Being talked down to and patronized by elected officials who are themselves trying to figure things out will eventually breed rebellion. We don’t need society’s malcontents to tell us that.

No, C19 is not the flu. It’s serious, deadly, new and scary. Hundreds have died. Thousands more will. But millions won’t. The virus is also wounding them in meaningful ways. Life will never be risk-free.

No action is no option. Indeterminate lockdown isn’t viable, either. In return for handing over our civil liberties, we deserve an agenda. We have been patient, compliant and dutiful. We have common purpose. We have obeyed. Now show us the plan.

This cannot continue…

 

 

321 comments ↓

#1 Lol80 on 04.10.20 at 12:57 pm

Well said. Garth, Thank you.

#2 Screwed on 04.10.20 at 1:00 pm

Single folks have weathered the storm much better than those with families. Sure, job loss hurt everyone. But single folks with no children can always live with roommates. They do not have to worry about $2,000 a month child care expenses. It is better to be child free than drown in debt and go bankrupt. Some people made poor choices and now have to suffer the consequences.

#3 THE DEBT LOVER on 04.10.20 at 1:02 pm

It’s ALL a big PONZI scheme anyhow.

The whole financial system is created from Debt used to create more Debt to pay for more Debt.

The governments lend the banks Debt which lend Debt to consumers and corporations so we can all keep using more Debt to buy the materialistic waste made from more Debt.

Government Bonds = DEBT
Corporate Bonds = DEBT
Dividends = Paid with DEBT
Share Buybacks = Paid with DEBT
PENSIONS = Paid with DEBT
Social Programs = Paid with DEBT
Everybody’s Paycheques = Paid with DEBT
Investment Returns = Paid with DEBT

SO WHAT’s THE WORRY??

ENJOY YOUR DEBT!!

Have wonderful weekend…….

#4 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.10.20 at 1:03 pm

Yep.
A plan of action ( God I hate “action plan”) moving forward from the “leaders” would be nice…

I wont hold my breath.

#5 The real Kip (Ret) on 04.10.20 at 1:03 pm

“Now show us the plan.”

All you have to do is watch these politicians parade out daily to tell us what they’re doing to realize, there is no plan. They are running by the seat of they’re pants. They plan today what they will do tomorrow. Great work.

#6 Another Deckchair on 04.10.20 at 1:08 pm

Garth – (thank you for all you do. You get to see the whole range of society, the good and the bad)

Interesting that Quebec are preparing to re-open the economy, but Canada isn’t. Hmmm… Who is the real leader here?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-quebec-preparing-plan-to-reopen-economy-as-infection-rate-stabilizes/

#7 SOMETHINGS UP on 04.10.20 at 1:09 pm

SO then your either part of the problem or part of the solution!!

Besides contributing to this pathetic blog what’s your suggestion to a plan…. to an agenda???

THAT’S WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW – PROFESSIONALS LIKE YOURSELF TO STAND UP.

#8 flyallthings on 04.10.20 at 1:12 pm

I seriously hope that some government leader announces a way for us to begin to produce some of the necessities we are in need of (N95’s, gowns, etc.).

CAE is working in a vent. But there is so much more we need. Pharmaceuticals, masks, etc. could all be produced within our country as we have all the raw materials we need to succeed.

So rather than the government sitting back and letting the population suckle at its debt ridden teat, we could be working on building infrastructure. Roads and factories can be built while maintaining social distance.

Thanks for the great blog Garth! It’s been wonderful read during this bizarre time.

#9 Upenuff on 04.10.20 at 1:12 pm

Trying times for all of us…. Sad to see people lined up at ferry terminal setting off for their long weekend on Vancouver Island like there is nothing happening….. I hope they stay away from the small towns that house a lot of the elderly.

Happy Easter weekend everyone!

#10 TurnerNation on 04.10.20 at 1:15 pm

You know that things will be normal again when Sunwing dangles $799 vacations to sun spots.
(Perhaps on a lo-interest 12-month payment plan)
Planes will be full.

A terrible situation landlords might not have considered:
Tenant gives legal 2 months notice of ending the lease.
Tenant pays one month and says Keep the last month’s rent in lieu. So far so good.
At the 2 months end the tenant does not vacate.

At this point they’re no longer contractually on the hook – lease was ended.
They become squatters.
Question is will police or baliff enforce a trespassing charge at this time?

I know of somebody sued by their landlord for $50,000. Yes they didn’t pay their lease and it took years to turf them. And that was in good times.

#11 Where's My Money Going TEKSAVVY? on 04.10.20 at 1:17 pm

Well I just got a letter from my cable provider TEKSAVVY, that stated since people are hard done by and have to stay at home, that they have decided to RAISE MY RATES by 20%. How’s that for being a conscientious and caring company in times of crisis! And they used the excuse of gov’t freezing their rates from AUGUST 2019; the horror! Not even 1 year before they hit the juggler.
I just spoke with them and they told me they don’t care, they aren’t working with their customers and don’t care if they leave.
So there you have it, another non-caring company that has its customers’ backs.
BOYCOTT TEKSAVVY!!!! And let’s get some real competition…..

#12 Nottawa Housing Bust on 04.10.20 at 1:19 pm

Do we really think there is a plan. Seems like most of this is by the seat or our pants.

Damage is done. Soc distancing enabled. Debate is over. My guess is lifting of ban come fall and then an election. Which will be historic in nature. Possibly a new political party. Covid is serious and needs to be addressed and dealt with. But can’t help and think this damage will FARRRRRRRRR exceed any virus related deaths.

Hopefully media continues to hold all governments to account. We will need that.

#13 mike from mtl on 04.10.20 at 1:22 pm

Exactly. I never in my life would have expected to go from a mostly functioning democratic country to full blown communist in the span of weeks.

Suggesting that this ‘might’ continue for 12-18 months is pure insanity. With all these new declarations seemingly being announced on the fly gives little confidence and yes thoughts of something worse are not far in mind.

Hopefully the US will officially be back, as best possible, in May so that will force us back as well – at least they have some sense of a timeline. Dialling back big gov is never easy.

#14 kc on 04.10.20 at 1:23 pm

“Fear Builds Walls”

Fear your neighbour, fear your family, fear the guy down the street trying to make a living selling apples…

When this ends we will continue to live in fear, it has been planted and the seed will grow. The outcome as Garth has stated will be a new normal, control is now what will rule what we once took for granted.

Did the economy need to be slayed to kill a bug? Probably not, however here we are and when this “crises” is lifted, be it a month 6 months or god forbid 18 months, what will we see on the other side? papered shop windows, boarded up wasted streets and 2 classes in Canada, POOR and RICH.

Have a good Easter weekend. Minus the family and friends….. and to all who actually drove away, good on you and have fun.

cheers

#15 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 1:28 pm

Garth,

Love your optimism. Love it.

Awesome.

However, more and more it seems like the band on the Titanic.

I wondered how this pile of government and consumer debt ends. It seems that the final scene from Fight Club may have been mighty prophetic.

#16 Gino on 04.10.20 at 1:30 pm

Wow Garth complete 180! Up until today you were downplaying the virus.

Wrong. I was providing context instead of running around screaming. – Garth

#17 Finances on 04.10.20 at 1:30 pm

#Screwed

Kids are a drain on the finances. People with large families are stupid. Had they had just one child, they would have saved thousands of dollars and retired a few years early.

#18 Blog Bunny on 04.10.20 at 1:31 pm

You have no idea how lucky you are if you are confined without children. This Bunny is celebrating with two sweet bunnies & adult family.

Happy Easter! After the long night comes the dawn.

#19 ts on 04.10.20 at 1:31 pm

Garth, as always, we can rely on you for the truth, however hard it may be to accept. This post isn’t as optimistic as your recent ones, but I agree with “now show us the plan.” At this moment in time I think Canada needs more leaders like you.

Happy Easter everyone.

#20 jamie on 04.10.20 at 1:31 pm

“doing nothing was never an option”, is correct…but doing what we did has been disastrous…if you want to see what a moderate, reasonable option was, then take a look at Sweden…and they are still going with their response…the reality is that herd immunity is likely well underway right now in Canada, and the numbers are likely far better than anyone is willing to admit or realize…the current plan of the canadian federal government was bumbled from the start, and then doubled-down with incredible (and not well thought out) spending stupidity as time went on…we lack leadership and common-sense responses…virtue-signalling, lecturing, and foolishly-idealistic politicians are not leaders…they are lobbyists at best…i have never advocated nihilism or anarchy, but to suggest that the Liberal government has handled this well is incredulous…i’m also not a tin-foil hat guy, but to suggest that the Feds are not enjoying the ability to introduce bigger government and stricter rule is plain wrong…the Liberals have gone out of their way to defend China, the UN and the WHO when it was not needed…if it were up to Trudeau and crew, the Emergencies Act would be in place and war-time style spending and governing would be going on…he is using fear to rule right now…using RCMP threats and hugely unrealistic death toll projections keep the populace right where the government wants us…under their thumb…the climate is also front and center again, not the best interests of canadian citizens…i’ll give Trudeau this, he is a man of his word…come hell or high water, he will make canada into the place he wants it to be…and we will have lost everything canadian about us in the process…

#21 paulo on 04.10.20 at 1:35 pm

The art of playing chicken is knowing when to flinch!

when is to soon or two late to remove or reduce restrictions.
at what number do you decide that a certain number of death’s is acceptable,in reviving the economy…….
defiantly a bad time to be a politician to be sure.

personally would like to see a “target” date for lifting the closure orders be it June or July at least give the people a target date to consider

as for the dogs on this blog: lets do our part by trying when possible to support our small business folks.

spare a bit for the less fortunate a donation to your local food bank ….
dont forget our 4 footed friends and company; animal shelters need donations also.

last and not least our first responders thank you for your service

its going to be a tough pull lets work togather and get through it.

#22 Dr V on 04.10.20 at 1:35 pm

9 upenuff – that’s a tough one. The west coast towns of Tofino and Ucluelet have told people to stay away. They even had a blockade on highway 4 a few days back.

But what if people own a seasonal or second residence
in these towns? Preventing the use of these properties is akin to expropriation. People could still practice
social distancing and other safety measures.

My bet would be that some of the seasonal residents
would not remain long if they see many of the local
businesses and establishments closed. Others may find the extra quiet very restful.

I do see the local governments in my area are keeping
their parks open (not the small playgrounds) to allow
responsible use by the public. BC has closed provincial parks.

#23 Peter Courtney on 04.10.20 at 1:37 pm

You nailed it Garth, we’ve tried to be responible and do as told, but we need to resume living and rebuilding the economy. As long as the govt gives us bad or no information, people will lose patience and start to revolt.

#24 Emile on 04.10.20 at 1:38 pm

Thanks Garth. Agree 100%.

#25 Dogman01 on 04.10.20 at 1:43 pm

– I am concerned about the impacts of Copviod19 on people’s health
– I am concerned about the effects of the response on the economy
– I am concerned about the power government has assumed over my daily life
These concerns can all exist together and are coherent thoughts.

But for so many they have lost knowledge of what thinking is.

Thinking is full of bias and ignorance, speech is a tool to expose those bias and ignorance to others perception of reality – but if you do not have freedom to speak you cannot validate and test your truth.

“Intolerance of others’ views is not simply wrong; in a world where there is no right or wrong, it is worse: it is a sign you are embarrassingly unsophisticated or, possibly, dangerous.”
― Jordan B. Peterson

A lot of harm will be down by shuttering the economy (real harm, addiction, suicide family breakdown), it must be balanced with the good and reconciled.
If I do my napkin math, people live to say 80, so that is a 1% Death rate. 35 Million Canadians = 350,000 deaths per year is normal, we accept that as the price of entry.

#26 Mr Canada on 04.10.20 at 1:45 pm

Being talked down to and patronized by elected officials who are themselves trying to figure things out will eventually breed rebellion. We don’t need society’s malcontents to tell us that.
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So true, politicians at every level feel the need to pile on telling us what to do. Opposition leaders are terrified to lead or challenge. T2 is now thinking about imposing the Emergencies Act, which is too little too late. We were told by our Government leaders post SARS, Canada was so prepared for the “next” pandemic. Great article today on how we could have done better. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

#27 Cheekmonster on 04.10.20 at 1:50 pm

Basically they are following the Americans lead. Perhaps the American leaders are following others. All the leaders are kind of learning from each other. Learning as they go. No other choice. We’ll have restrictions for a long time but we won’t be locked down for a year. People who pass the test will be allowed to start working in a month or two. Testing will be frequent.

#28 Fused on 04.10.20 at 1:51 pm

Our leader dropped his etch a sketch on his way to press conference, we will have to wait a little while yet for his grand plan.

#29 Andrewski on 04.10.20 at 1:51 pm

This should put a smile on your face:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ugfNXYcDg

#30 MF on 04.10.20 at 1:52 pm

Good post again.

The comments section was starting to get pretty scary lol. I can only imagine having to go through what gets deleted. Ouch.

I’m still glad you’re back with balanced content. It’s nice to read that the choices made were unavoidable yet effective. If spreading wasn’t contained we would have seen a huge increase in health care workers infected yes, but also police officers, firemen, garbage collectors, truck drivers and so on. The impact would have been bigger, the fear bigger, and it’s possible we would have had real social unrest.

As for the plan, it’s been pretty clear all along. Flatten to curve to buy time until we have more knowledge and treatment available.

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“But none of these points, questions or concerns should be construed by any social misfit as suggesting that society’s best option was to sit back and let the virus rip through the herd. Doing nothing was never an alternative. The bug needs to be squished and the health care system spared from melting down. The efforts people have put into social distancing, personal hygiene and altering their daily lives have been both impressive and effective. We are in far better shape for them. Together we want this thing to end. And we’re doing what we must to bring that about.”

MF

#31 Dogman01 on 04.10.20 at 1:54 pm

One more thing

I used to like this quote

“For me privacy is the right to think ideas that aren’t fully formed, to say things aloud without having everybody knowing what I’ve said, to go to a place and try a thing without having to commit to it being part of my record forever” – Cory Doctorow

I will say things that upon reflection and with new information I come to regret, hence Facebook can be dangerous for me.

But this blog punches out stuff, every day.

Garth is Brave.

He has a reputation, a business concern and no obligation to be public in his opinions. (he even dared to do a post on being childless …)

Like an elder statesman.

I may disagree from time to time but what he says always merits consideration.

#32 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 1:56 pm

We don’t have the smartest bunch in Ottawa. Hate to be so pessimistic, but they’ve well demonstrated when it comes to taxes, revenues, business, and economy – they just don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing.

They also don’t take good advice. We’re going to pay for this in spades. A year with no economy? Good bloody luck with that “plan”.

#33 Stone on 04.10.20 at 1:59 pm

I read through everything and I don’t see a concrete action plan anywhere.

As for the gouvernment and what they’re doing, it’s easy to criticize from the peanut gallery. I think they had difficult decisions to make without any precedent to help guide them. Did they mess up along the way? Sure. I’m sure they could have done much worst. Look what’s happening in the US. That’s a mess.

For those complaining about the loss of civil liberties, they seem to also forget there are civil responsibilities and obligations.

Think about that.

Last point. Life has never been risk free. Anyone trying to sell you that is either deluded or a con artist.

#34 Russ on 04.10.20 at 2:02 pm

Blog Bunny on 04.10.20 at 1:31 pm

You have no idea how lucky you are if you are confined without children. This Bunny is celebrating with two sweet bunnies & adult family.

Happy Easter! After the long night comes the dawn.
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If you have a quarantine choice…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5s433aTy98

Cheers, R

#35 Context on 04.10.20 at 2:09 pm

This can be a very interesting debate topic. I generally have not been impressed by our PM, but imho he is doing a great job keeping people informed and being realisitc about the timing. Sure, it might sound crazy that it would be months (even 18 months) for it to become relatively normal again, but it is the current reality.

Look at South Korea. They reacted quickly very very early, but they still ended up with an outbreak because of Patient 31. Within 10 days, the 31st confirmed case spreaded the virus to 2300 cases.

Flattening the curve is literally just flattening the curve to buy our medical system time. It doesn’t mean it ends. In fact, for dense cities like NY, far from it.

#36 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 2:10 pm

#31 Dogman01

You almost nailed it.

Garth owns what he writes. He owns his DATA

Unlike every foolish American and Canadian on Facebook or other social media.

Who owns your data Canadians and Americans? Your politicians ensure it is NOT you.

It’s amazing that while Europeans enjoy at least some level of protection with GDPR, Americans are absolutely abused by the proudly American flag waving cooperations. And Canadians? No one cares about you. Read any toothless Canadian rules, regulations or laws you want. They are absolutely as toothless as they are useless.

#37 not 1st on 04.10.20 at 2:13 pm

The total stimulus injection into the US is about $12T. That’s one country. Who knows what the rest of the world has done. Canada has put about $180B. We are short by a factor of 10 to keep a first world economy going. US can maybe afford this, but we cant. Either we will debt bomb ourselves or the peak of standard of living has been reached in this country.

And remember, Trudeau killed dozens of resource projects that could have led us out of this. usually consumer spending leads a country out a recession, that’s at the back end now probably a couple yrs out if it every returns to pre covid levels. Some people will be on the govt dole forever. Hundreds of businesses will not bother to reopen.

Trudeau is preening for the cameras right now, but he has no idea whats coming.

#38 Freckles on 04.10.20 at 2:13 pm

Garth, you are so refreshing to read everyday. Thank you. I don’t know how you keep dealing with these annoying pedants who try to try to distort, manipulate, and pick apart every blog post and comment. They are exhausting.
As far as a plan, it’s disheartening to wait on our government leaders, or expect promising, positive ideas, yet here we be. I believe everyone has a sphere of influence with which to effect change. Preferably for the forces of good and not evil. Trouble is, what one sees as good is often critiqued and ridiculed by said pedants. I plan to continue working (yes, super fortunate), adhere to our social distancing rules as long as I must, and ignore most media. I will continue to support local businesses that are open (hello Chinese take out) and once other businesses eventually reopen (fingers crossed), I will spend where I can and thank them for sticking it out. Positivity breeds hope, negativity breeds despair. Choose wisely.

#39 kc on 04.10.20 at 2:14 pm

33 Stone on 04.10.20 at 1:59 pm

For those complaining about the loss of civil liberties, they seem to also forget there are civil responsibilities and obligations.

Think about that.

XXXXXXX

East Berlin, … think about that….

#40 Trojan House on 04.10.20 at 2:14 pm

Absolutely right Garth! The plan is that there is no plan.

Unbelievably, Sweden’s government has shown real leadership and decided on a plan, right or wrong, and are following through. They are getting intense heat for it but have YET to cave.

To me, the plan should have been to ensure our medical system was ready for what was coming because we knew about this in January or possibly prior. Extra money should have been put in to things like buying masks, ventilators, ramping up the number of beds at hospitals by perhaps constructing makeshift hospitals, etc., quarantining those most at risk and asking us to be extra vigilant about washing hands, etc.

I think this would have come at much less cost than the way things are working out now where we have exponential deficits and debt, mega-high unemployment and possibly the closing of thousands of businesses which are the lifeblood of the economy.

All governments in the West have been reactive rather than proactive from the beginning. Like Garth says, there has been a sorry lack of leadership, especially here in Canada.

#41 Don Guillermo on 04.10.20 at 2:16 pm

#32 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 1:56 pm
We don’t have the smartest bunch in Ottawa. Hate to be so pessimistic, but they’ve well demonstrated when it comes to taxes, revenues, business, and economy – they just don’t have a freaking clue what they’re doing.
They also don’t take good advice. We’re going to pay for this in spades. A year with no economy? Good bloody luck with that “plan”
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So true, it’s what we get when we select people based on political correctness instead of qualifications. It has been stated on this blog many times – we are getting what we voted for.

#42 Oracle of Ottawa on 04.10.20 at 2:17 pm

I can’t imagine what it would have been like for people to live through WWI and the Spanish Flu simultaneously. Incredible.

#43 Howard on 04.10.20 at 2:25 pm

Garth you stated yesterday:

Almost all losses are (of course) in the private sector. Few government workers have been impacted as Ms.Virus decimates the economy. The labour participation rate has plunged. Far more women than men are seeing their wages wiped out.

How is that possible when virtually all the impact is borne by the male-majority private sector, and almost none of it by the female-majority public sector?

Ask StatsCan. – Garth

#44 Dee on 04.10.20 at 2:26 pm

It’s a real privilege to read your post today Garth! Thank you for standing up and being a voice of reason. You are one of the very few that are out there. California came out today saying people will be able to go back out again, before there ever is a vaccine. On the other hand T2 tells us we can’t go out till there is one. Our leader spews nothing but FEAR while never ever giving us a light at the end of the tunnel. Everyone I talk too is getting really, really fed up with waiting for what?? In each of our lives a PLAN is everything! It is what moves us forward and what gives us hope! Too bad T2 has never learned that simple lesson. I wished you were now running this country, you would get my vote for sure! Happy Easter to you!

#45 Nah! on 04.10.20 at 2:26 pm

Thank you….

#46 Marmax on 04.10.20 at 2:28 pm

I think it us nuts that we gave shut down for this virus. On average 23,000 people die every month in Canada. So far about 500 people have died. That is not even a blip on the dead meter. I am sure it will be in the thousands. I get it. It sucks to be dead. But it sucks just sitting around and doing nothing.

#47 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 2:28 pm

Garth,

How recently have you read Animal Farm or 1984?

I know…I know.

But I’ll tell you, it is one thing to have read it, and it’s another to read it at certain times. Go ahead, know yourself out with a quick read. It’s a whole new experience in this environment.

#48 Phoney Data Scientist and Govt Expert on 04.10.20 at 2:29 pm

For all the intelligent people on this blog, do I need to say more ?

For the government projections and so called “experts”..see below

In Canada, trudeau wanted to invoke Exceptional Measures this morning when USA has lowered their projections yesterday by a factor of 41. That is roughly 41 times less people dead than the original projections…

Imperial College of London experts, faulty WHO and faked Chinese mortality data, estimated 2,2-2,5 millions dead originally…

April 9 (GMT) – Yesterday 33536 new cases and 1900 new deaths in the United States
Dr. Fauci:
Final death toll “looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000” that U.S. officials previously estimated [source]

April 1st, 2020 – APRIL FOOLS DAY
“Following the guidelines for the next 30 days is a matter of life and death”

“This is going to be one of the roughest 2 or 3 weeks we’ve ever had in our country […] We’re going to lose thousands of people.”

Projections: 100,000 – 240,000 total deaths in the US from COVID-19 [video segment] (down from 1.5 – 2.2 million deaths without mitigation: social distancing, staying home, washing hands).

Think: when you go Metro, NoFrills, WalMart after disinfecting the cart and you pick a fruit and then pick another one and leave the first in the pile, when you approach or touch the plastic bags roll, when you pay with cash or with debit and enter the pin, do the cashiers swab the POS each time or each fruit…huhhh?? Who touched and stocked all the fruits??

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5907354/

The modeling studies estimated that workplace social distancing measures alone produced a median reduction of 23% in the cumulative influenza attack rate in the general population..

So for 23% reduction in median attack rate your liberal government locked down a country and wanted extended Exceptional Measures, that were rejected this morning by the Provincial Governors.

And if you believe that social distancing alone really helped lower the projected mortality 41 times, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you..that’s what the government will tell you..

Does the Canadian federal government think that 99% of the population is comprised of idiots…They clearly do.. lol

Sorry, I have forced everyone to think a little bit, now everyone can continue your CBC/CTV scheduled programming for the 11:00 am daily Covid19 horror show..

#49 Devil Anse on 04.10.20 at 2:31 pm

#2 Screwed on 04.10.20 at 1:00 pm
Single folks have weathered the storm much better than those with families. Sure, job loss hurt everyone. But single folks with no children can always live with roommates.

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I’ll hunker down with my children any day over adult room mates.

#50 Axehead on 04.10.20 at 2:33 pm

If this continues for a year, expect a collapse of our social order as we know it, collapse of all but the largest and most profitable private industries, almost total dependency on the government for basics for many, unbridled socialism, and unimaginable debt at all levels of government (debt = slavery).

I hope, I really hope, it is but a threat.

#51 J Zoom on 04.10.20 at 2:36 pm

Thanks…Good article !!

#52 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 2:37 pm

#2 Screwed on 04.10.20 at 1:00 pm
Single folks have weathered the storm much better than those with families. Sure, job loss hurt everyone. But single folks with no children can always live with roommates. They do not have to worry about $2,000 a month child care expenses. It is better to be child free than drown in debt and go bankrupt. Some people made poor choices and now have to suffer the consequences.
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Don’t worry about us, having kids has earned me tens of thousands worth of free Trudeau CCB cash, and thousands more at tax time. Plus the kids rake my leaves, mow my lawn, help shingle my roof, bake all kinds of tasty treats, and are a ball to have around. Never a dull moment!

I didn’t ever need any of those Trudeau bucks because when we decided to have kids, we also budgeted for them (shock!) so all that handout cash was pure gravy.

Guess what? Trudeau is now raising the CCB to help the poor starving parents due to cv-19. I don’t need this cash either, we keep a sizeable emergency fund, plus Ms. IH works for the government so of course she gets paid whether she is at work or sitting at home. The CCB increase is just more gravy that I will add to the already considerable pile.

A bro and I are keeping track of our tax returns and CCB “income”, and we will be over a quarter million dollars total at the close of 2020 since Trudeau took office. I think I’ll add the free CERB cash I’m getting to the total as well. Why not? I don’t need it, and if the Libs had required some kind of means testing, I never would have qualified in a million years! Alas, no test means I’m getting more free cash to spend at GM and the Yamaha dealerships.

Think about this: Parents in the “right” demographic actually get so many handouts, they don’t even have to work!

#53 henry on 04.10.20 at 2:38 pm

#33 “concrete action”

Take your cell phone … throw it as far as you can… watch
closely where it lands… pick it up again and throw it as far as you can…. than start to enjoy freedom.. actually
use your brain too think!
-hint.. think what is ” truth “

#54 Decent Majority on 04.10.20 at 2:39 pm

Our current group of “leaders” in Ottawa do not have a sniff of a plan, except that they like the idea of more people being dependent on the government because that’s their ticket to power. They have not learned much. They are still arrogant, condescending, but most of all incompetent. Every morning Justin Trudeau appears on the screen and talks down to us. Then his ministers give a tutorial on how to evade questions. Their primary consideration is the “optics”, how they think they should look to we peasants. Everything is based on political considerations, what to say to get re-elected. A plan to get us all out of this mess barely a consideration at all. Trudeau demonstrates his contempt for us daily.

#55 Debtfree on 04.10.20 at 2:39 pm

What’s the plan ? Keep from catching the virus til a vaccine is ready . There is a massive push on for the vaccine world wide with lots of progress. We are slow but it’s coming . With that said , this is not the worst it could be , just watch Bill Gates on the subject . The next pandemic will come at us again . Maybe this is the wake up that was needed to prepare .

#56 CL on 04.10.20 at 2:44 pm

“Treating a population as if it were comprised of six-year-olds is unhelpful. Being talked down to and patronized by elected officials who are themselves trying to figure things out will eventually breed rebellion.”

This is the infuriating part. In addition to having a leaderless country, we are doomed. Our “leadership” only defers to “medical professionals” recommendations. We need a leader who can think, have convictions, and lead. Survey knowledgeable people for recommendations and input but the final decisions must be made by leaders charged to do so.

#57 not 1st on 04.10.20 at 2:46 pm

Maybe Trudeau can break away from his Nintendo game and the MSM gets a clue, we can ask him about this so called plan when he pops out of his gopher hole.

#58 The Wet One on 04.10.20 at 2:48 pm

Finally, a clear statement on where you stand.

Thank you.

You’ve made it clear that you’re still one of the good guys. You had me worried there for awhile.

Carry on.

Also, where the hell do these whackos come from? This isn’t the U.S. after all (unless a lot of Americans come here to post which I don’t imagine they do. Maybe I’m wrong….).

#59 Reality is stark on 04.10.20 at 2:48 pm

Australia’s largest customer is likely to be China in the near future. As such they will likely need to tone down any form of communist critique. Their citizens likely to learn Mandarin and Chinese history.
Similarly our country will supply China with more raw materials. We will also be expected to “tow the line” and stop criticizing the CCP.
Your freedom is already being compromised as we become poorer and more dependent on China. The ironic part is that they are instrumental in making us poorer by stealing intellectual property and manipulating currency to confiscate manufacturing jobs.
We can close GM and Chrysler and purchase electric cars from them in the future.
The virus is only accelerating curtailment of freedom, liberty and your voice. Canadians love to hate America.
All I can say is that the devil you do know is many times better than the devil you don’t know.
Go ahead and blame this all on Trump, the Chinese don’t care who you blame as long as you see them as benevolent.
Even better follow the social justice rhetoric of our current socialist clueless swizzle sticks. They fiddle as Rome burns.
Socialists like subjective principles based on “feelings”.
Capitalism is too objective and requires accountability.
The Chinese like societies like ours where victimhood reigns supreme. Easy to conquer.

#60 not 1st on 04.10.20 at 2:49 pm

Good thing Garth doesn’t post on Twitter, the SJW would feast on him.

They are all acting like they are heroes staying home waiting for cheques while the adults ponder a way to restart this beast, They are basically asking for UBI forever, just cause. Sure didn’t take much to kill the snowflake generations ambition.

#61 Lost...but not leased on 04.10.20 at 2:52 pm

The noose tightens…

“WATCH THE FARMS”

Watched a video re: COVID 19 impact on farms…

Showed an onion farmer with tons of dumped onions…via the supply chain broken….can’t even give them away.

THEN Tyson foods was discussed.. Tyson is one of THE biggest meat processors in US. They were being impacted by employees that allegedly have COVID 19.

A problem?

Actually…no…as Tyson is apparently heavily invested in plant – based meat products. Good ole Bill Gates is also heavily invested in alternate agriculture.

Hmmmm….

#62 Zed on 04.10.20 at 2:53 pm

I am no doctor…

I think that the longer the social distancing last, more small viruses are not being caught by people and weakens them in the future.

Just imagine kids going back to school in September with no interaction with other kids for 6 months, their small systems overwhelmed by all the germs and stuff.

May 15th everybody goes back to work; restaurants/bars at half capacity so are cinemas for an extra month. People 70 years + stay inside until June 1st. Social distancing still in place, a bit like flu season when you should stay away from sick people and with Covid-19 we should consider everybody as potentially sick.

#63 No plan on 04.10.20 at 2:57 pm

No plan because T2 is following the advice of the medical profession who know squat about economics.

I still don’t understand the math
37.5 million beavers
22,000 cases
About 270,000 tested
557 died
276,000 people die in Canada every year.

Those are the facts.

Great post Garth thanks!
No exit plan even T2 mumbles through this will take months.
Maybe when the rest of the world starts working then maybe Trudeau will wake up.
I think the provinces will lead us back to work first!

#64 not 1st on 04.10.20 at 2:59 pm

Emergencies act rebuffed again, for the second time. Sorry Heir Trudeau, not on our watch.

Thank god the west neutered this guy in the election last year. You are welcome Canada.

#65 LateToReact on 04.10.20 at 3:01 pm

Great damage control effort today Garth with regard to the impression you have given many readers regarding your thoughts on the COVID-19 crisis. Hopefully this will subdue the deplorables who insist the lockdown was overkill. It wasn’t. It was an extreme reaction, necessary because we didn’t react quickly enough to contain and control when we still had the chance. By the time we took it seriously, we had little choice but to react immediately with a shut-down to flatten the curve and buy ourselves more time. The plan will evolve as we see how the pandemic progresses.

#66 Blacksheep on 04.10.20 at 3:03 pm

Been reading between the lines lately….

I believe the populace will not quietly tolerate a ‘voluntary’ shutdown, much beyond the end of this month. People are watching their economic lives get destroyed while they are expected to lock themselves in their homes.

We know, Covid-19 cannot reproduce outside the human body, so we need a new plan, taking advantage of this fact:

1) Stop ALL international travel, in or out of Canada (other than Canadian citizens repatriating into 21 days of legally mandated isolation)

2) Fully firewall the aged and vulnerable until Covid-19, dies out of society.

3) Provide full face respirator / breathing equipment, to all front line health care workers.

4) Provide half masks and safety glasses for the general public, with mandatory use for anyone leaving there homes, subject to severe fines for non compliance.

5) Then restart the economy to what ever degree possible under these necessary measures, so society can begin the shift to whatever is, our new normal.
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For the front line workers (#3):

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Full-Facepiece-Reusable-Respirator-6800DIN-Medium-4-EA-Case/?N=5002385+3294776430&preselect=3293786499&rt=rud

For the general public (#4):

https://www.millerwelds.com/safety/respiratory/half-mask-respirators-m00469

https://www.millerwelds.com/safety/safety-glasses/safety-glasses-m00483

Here are the details on filtration related to Covid / virus’s, from the experts @ 3-M

chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/409903O/respiratory-protection-against-biohazards.pdf
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Forget the emergency manufacture of ventilators, we wouldn’t need them. Because once a patient goes on a vent, it consumes massive resources for long periods of time and rarely results in a good outcome.

Lets refocus our energies / manufacturing to the above causes (#3 & #4) so we are not dealing with this second or third wave bullshit and can get the hell on with it.

#67 oh bouy on 04.10.20 at 3:08 pm

another great post Garth.
Well balanced like always.

#68 oh bouy on 04.10.20 at 3:15 pm

@#50 Axehead on 04.10.20 at 2:33 pm
If this continues for a year, expect a collapse of our social order as we know it, collapse of all but the largest and most profitable private industries, almost total dependency on the government for basics for many, unbridled socialism, and unimaginable debt at all levels of government (debt = slavery).

I hope, I really hope, it is but a threat.
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If this continues for more than a few additional weeks things will get real.

#69 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 3:16 pm

2 thumbs up on the charts reversing, I agree: inevitable. May take awhile, but inevitable.

Ditto on Easter Garth.

Same great analysis in financial crisis as usual.

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GARTH, you can shoot me for saying this but good news for pet owners travelling abroad.

I say this because the Italian MSM seems obsessed with this article, tweeted, repeated the last few days (Chinese Gov now bans eating dogs and cats, use Google Translate):

https://www.repubblica.it/ambiente/2020/04/10/news/coronavirus_svolta_in_cina_vitetato_mangiare_cani_e_gatti-253669578/?timestamp=1586536006000

I just don’t understand the Italian preoccupation with China removing just 2 items from their Food Pyramid, I mean really, what’s up with that?

Having said that, another item needs removing, starts with a “b”, rhymes with cat.

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Let the bullets fly Garth.

#70 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:17 pm

I often wondered, when studying the wars and disasters of the past, how people could turn their backs on so much suffering. How they’d treat each other with so much hatred. It only a took a MONTH, for people to start with the finger pointing and conspiracy theories and hateful dispositions. It’s disgusting, but not surprising. History has taught me the self-serving and egotistical ways of most human beings. It’s no surprise that people would want to sacrifice the old so they can get back to their normal lives. People have and always will be me-me-me centric. It doesn’t take long for people to revolt if they feel that they’re more important than their 70 year old asthmatic neighbour. I could scream until I’m white in the face about how we should all care about one another. Most of the population won’t care. They just want their pub nights and cruises. I don’t mean to be pessimistic, but human nature is flawed in this way. But I’ll forever have reverence and respect for the people who put themselves before others. Everyone else is just pollution on this planet. (Sorry).

#71 Ronaldo on 04.10.20 at 3:17 pm

One of my sons employees has a brother who is an ER doctor in a large city in Ontario (over 130,000). He tells him that on average day they see around 45 people and now only 13. They have had 50 Covid cases and only 1 hospitalization. And we are over 3 months into this. Things just don’t add up.

#72 canali on 04.10.20 at 3:21 pm

yes the wackadoos are out in full force…i mean just look at how many right wing nut jobs were/are going after Dr Fauci with death threats…only in the USA.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/anthony-fauci-security-detail/index.html
”Nation’s top coronavirus expert Dr. Anthony Fauci forced to beef up security as death threats increase.”
excerpt: ”… Fauci’s profile in the pandemic crisis has grown, so has the concern for his welfare. Fauci’s guidance to Trump for the country to remain as locked down as possible to help control the virus spread has not earned fans among some fervent right-wing voices.
Fauci was among the health advisers on Trump’s team encouraging a continuation of the current guidelines after the President heard from business leaders and some conservative allies that the restrictions were more damaging than the virus itself.”

#73 Don Guillermo on 04.10.20 at 3:21 pm

#20 jamie on 04.10.20 at 1:31 pm
“doing nothing was never an option”, is correct…but doing what we did has been disastrous…if you want to see what a moderate, reasonable option was, then take a look at Sweden…and they are still going with their response…
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https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb

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…the virtue-signalling, lecturing, and foolishly-idealistic politicians are not leaders…they are lobbyists at best…i have never advocated nihilism but to suggest that the Feds are not enjoying the ability to introduce bigger government and stricter rule is plain wrong…the Liberals have gone out of their way to defend China, the UN and the WHO when it was not needed…if it were up to Trudeau and crew, the Emergencies Act would be in place and war-time style spending and governing would be going on…he is using fear to rule right now…using RCMP threats and hugely unrealistic death toll projections keep the populace right where the government wants us…under their thumb…the climate is also front and center again, not the best interests of canadian citizens…i’ll give Trudeau this, he is a man of his word…come hell or high water, he will make canada into the place he wants it to be…and we will have lost everything canadian about us in the process…
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He is the leader of the Kingdom of PeopleKind. When he moistly speaks – it is the PeopleKind that obey. See example below:

#35 Context on 04.10.20 at 2:09 pm
This can be a very interesting debate topic. I generally have not been impressed by our PM, but imho he is doing a great job keeping people informed and being realisitc about the timing

#74 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:22 pm

@#60 not 1st

Snowflake generation, eh? I guess I’m part of that cohort in my early 30s and I have (young) friends and family members who are first responders and I’m working more than I ever have in my life. Stop with the generalizations. It’s stupid and pointless.

Stop listening to the wall-to-wall MSM and social media virus porn, and you will be less afraid. Most people will never catch Covid. Of those who do, 95% experience mild symptoms. Facts matter. – Garth

#75 Deplorable Dude on 04.10.20 at 3:22 pm

12-18 months of this and we’ll all be living in a Mad max movie.

There is no plan.

I’m fearful of government groupthink. Everyone is waiting to see what everyone else does.

If Trump can get the US open again in the next few weeks, Canada will follow.

#76 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:23 pm

#71 Ronaldo

That’s called flattening the curve. That means this is working.

#77 Penny Henny on 04.10.20 at 3:25 pm

Now show us the plan.-GT
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EXACTLY!

#78 John in Mtl on 04.10.20 at 3:29 pm

Thank You, Garth, excellent view of the situation.

And a Happy Easter to You and All.

#79 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:33 pm

#74 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:22 pm
@#60 not 1st
Snowflake generation, eh? I guess I’m part of that cohort in my early 30s and I have (young) friends and family members who are first responders and I’m working more than I ever have in my life. Stop with the generalizations. It’s stupid and pointless.
Stop listening to the wall-to-wall MSM and social media virus porn, and you will be less afraid. Most people will never catch Covid. Of those who do, 95% experience mild symptoms. Facts matter. – Garth
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What? I’m not afraid at all. I work every day, more than I ever have. I’m afraid for my Mom tho, who is 70 and has diabetes. What does that have to do with that I said? Just curious.

#80 Left GTA on 04.10.20 at 3:39 pm

@#66 Blacksheep

Exactly! Imagine that. I said it before everyone wear an N95 mask = no droplets. HELLO.

#81 the Jaguar on 04.10.20 at 3:40 pm

I posted this link before, but I am doing it again because it’s that damn good. The whole interview is stellar, but if you start listening at 31.10 you will see the very issue that Garth discusses ( ‘a plan ahead’) is addressed very eloquently by this very smart cookie. It’s from a US perspective, but of course applies equally to our situation in Canada. Kevin Warsh for Prime Minister. Love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da8ZspnvR2s

#82 Joseph R. on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

#25 Dogman01 on 04.10.20 at 1:43 pm

“Intolerance of others’ views is not simply wrong; in a world where there is no right or wrong, it is worse: it is a sign you are embarrassingly unsophisticated or, possibly, dangerous.”
― Jordan B. Peterson

From his words, I understand why the self-righteous describes Jordan Peterson as their paladin.

Right and wrong do exist.
Ignorance is not equal to knowledge. It is the base of societies that are children of the Enlightenment, like our own. People that have access to data, like doctors, are more qualified to judge a situation than people watching Youtube videos and reading the “zero hedge guy.” Thankfully, education and experience is still something valued for, despite the attacks from Trump and his followers. At least as os today.

Self-righteous people see everyone else as “unsophisticated” and “dangerous,” without a hint of irony. After all, don’t they accuse liberals of relativism while they are the defenders of “Judeo-Christian” truths? They can morally evaluate others, but God forbid if anyone else judges their words and behaviour; that is persecuting them and disrespecting freedom of speech!!

The economy will prevail in the end; as long as humans continue to exist, they will make choices about resources and risk management. I wouldn’t be so sure about the future of this board.

#83 kc on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

#78 Stone on 04.10.20 at 3:28 pm

#39 kc on 04.10.20 at 2:14 pm
33 Stone on 04.10.20 at 1:59 pm

For those complaining about the loss of civil liberties, they seem to also forget there are civil responsibilities and obligations.

Think about that.

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East Berlin, … think about that….

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I’m very well acquainted with it…from before the wall came down and thereafter. More than your small brittle mind could imagine or begin to accept.

You have no clue how good you all have it here.

XXXXXXXXXXXXX

I have also seen the poor sides of the world.

When we allow the smallest of our liberties to be taken away, we will never get them back.

For you to state “For those complaining about the loss of civil liberties,” that statement makes everything else you say null & void.

civil responsibilities also includes keeping an adult in these situations. by restricting our freedoms into socialist mind think, we have accepted being ruled and not living free.

sure social distancing and hand washing will be all that was needed from the start of all this VIRUS HORSESH!T …

however killing the complete economy for this?? welcome to a 100% socialist country. East Berlin was a complete fear factory of trust no-one as they are the enemy.

FEAR BUILDS WALLS

and they are winning…..

#84 Stone on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

Stop listening to the wall-to-wall MSM and social media virus porn, and you will be less afraid. Most people will never catch Covid. Of those who do, 95% experience mild symptoms. Facts matter. – Garth

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You might want to change that percentage. It’s actually 93.80%. Facts matter.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-MAP/0100B59S39E/index.html

I’m sure that percentage will drop again very soon.

Well, you sure showed me. (Actually, this tally says 97%…) – Garth

#85 Figure it Out on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

OK HERE’S THE PLAN:

– we keep doing what we’re doing
– we ramp up testing so we can see how many healthy people have already been exposed
– we watch other countries ahead of us on the timeline to see what works and what doesn’t
– we keep abreast of all research regarding treatments, immunity, spread, reinfection, particularly vulnerable people, etcetera
– we change our approach, as necessary and prudent, as we learn more
– every day, we thank our lucky stars that we haven’t got it as bad as Italy, Spain, the UK or the USA. Whether it was luck, better leadership, or a more compliant population, we need to realize that as an open country with many air links to other affected areas, we could’ve had it a lot worse.

How hard is that?

Most of the numbers, and the research, and the reports from the front lines are right there on the internet for anyone to see. (No, dear reader, Montana is NOT the front lines). Read it yourself if you desire, and realize that THERE’S A LOT THAT WE DON’T YET KNOW. Error bands are wide, and things could get better more quickly than expected, or much worse.

Trust that your leaders are working with the BEST DATA AVAILABLE, and in GOOD FAITH. They don’t want to see more economic damage than required, and they want to minimize deaths.

Did we have a plan for the end of WWII by December 1939? Not really. Keep fighting until it’s over was pretty much it.

#86 Lost...but not leased on 04.10.20 at 3:53 pm

#71 Ronaldo on 04.10.20 at 3:17 pm
One of my sons employees has a brother who is an ER doctor in a large city in Ontario (over 130,000). He tells him that on average day they see around 45 people and now only 13. They have had 50 Covid cases and only 1 hospitalization. And we are over 3 months into this.

Things just don’t add up.
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NO,they don’t add up … and never had

If this is a financial blog…we cannot ignore this facet of the economy….News vs Rumour.

I am noticing more and more MDs and Nurses speaking out. We are several weeks into this “pandemic” and we have to seriously weigh COST vs BENEFIT .

I don’t know a single person that has been diagnosed with COVID 19, nor any death due to.

I read that Organ Transplants are being delayed…as is the surgery. BC had 50+ “pandemic” deaths…over 3000 “empty”beds waiting…800+ recoveries maybe 200+ new cases. BC is looking to add 4000 more beds at the Trade and Exhibition Center. Why?

What are we waiting for?…even with suspect numbers and diagnoses…the cost so far FAR outweighs the benefit. It is the economy and our standard of living that is ACTUALLY on life support.

History has shown what poverty leads to.
Far worse long term impact than what these so -called pandemic experts project.

From my perspective… if we consider humanity as one big organic entity….we are being attacked by the virus called Big Brother.

#87 A J on 04.10.20 at 3:55 pm

Last comment (sorry, I’m bored). But, I had a feeling this would happen. Social distancing would work and then everyone would cry about how this is an overreaction. The fact that we have so little deaths means that what we’re doing is WORKING. We should be happy not crying and whining about how this is an overreaction. There’s not always a quick and easy solution for everything. But, not giving a sh*t is not a solution at all.

We can social distance without turning off the entire economy. Grocery stores and pharmacies are showing us how. – Garth

#88 Don Guillermo on 04.10.20 at 3:56 pm

“Premiers across the country roundly reject the idea of the federal government invoking the Emergencies Act”. This law allows the federal government to take over provincial powers – how scary is that?

CBC HEADLINE
“Trudeau says most premiers don’t think Emergencies Act needed yet to cope with COVID-19”

TORONTO SUN HEADLINE
“Premiers say no to Trudeau on Emergencies Act”

#89 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 3:56 pm

#63 No plan

You never will get it. But one more time with Felix:

German Attack Rate, one of the Lowest = 0.72% (infection projection +/- 2 std dev mean).

German Population = 83 million.

C-19 Infection Projection = 83 million X 0.72% = 597,600.

German Mortality Rate Today = 2688 deaths/119624 cases = 2.25%

Projection X Rate = 597600 x 2.25% = 13,428 deaths.

Why Fraulein Merkel went with a lockdown etc. to prevent those deaths.

Above calcs for other countries (death projections w/o lockdown, w/o social distancing etc.):

Spain 715,967
United Kingdom 216,462
Italy 755,518
France 210,896

Still think it’s the flu?

Now go back to your make believe dream world.

#90 BS on 04.10.20 at 3:59 pm

This week the prime minister suggested we’d be in the current state a year. Clearly a huge number of businesses will never reopen if that is the case. Unemployment will go from temporary to structural. The standard of living will drop substantially. Millions will be thrust back into poverty. Government budgets will be ballooned for a generation with inflated levels of tax and diminished opportunity for the young. That’s what a single year of this will mean, and more.

Were you expecting more from our PM? He has never lived in the real world. The trust fund has given him everything he ever needed and his last name gave him that teacher job and the PM job. The trust fund, his government salary, government pension and his last name will be there no matter what happens. He prefers hiding in his basement to coming out. What does he have to lose?

We need hope. A roadmap. Leadership from the darkness back into the sun.

Last time I checked that is what Trump was doing. But the media shrieked he is going people false hope and he can’t open the economy because the “experts” say so.

The experts who have been wrong more than they have been right. The so called experts got us into this mess. The experts are the ones that said early on travel restrictions don’t work, don’t stop flights from China, don’t stop flights from Europe, masks don’t work, and they even claimed there was no human to human transmission when a 10 year old child could have figured out there was human to human transmission after the first health care worker got it in December or maybe November in China. In other words we have been lied to or the experts are incompetent. Maybe a combination of both. Should we follow them now without question going forward or should be take their opinion and then make a rational decision. Clearly Trudeau is not smart enough to do this. He will parrot what the experts tell him. Trump will make the right decision balancing everything. In the end we will follow the US. Or there will be civil disobedience and people will revolt. There is no way we stay locked down past the end of May.

#91 mark on 04.10.20 at 4:00 pm

I hope T2 has enjoyed his time as prime minister.
As “kevin O’leary ” would say your dead to me!!

#92 Keith on 04.10.20 at 4:02 pm

It’s interesting that New Zealand (yes I know it’s very isolated) was early to close the border, and is in a 28 day full quarantine. The Prime Minister announced a staged plan, and business leaders said go for a full lockdown right away. One death so far. The rest of the West is proof that half measures don’t work, don’t flatten the curve, shut down completely for a shorter period of time.

#93 Piano_Man87 on 04.10.20 at 4:07 pm

“No action is no option. Indeterminate lockdown isn’t viable, either. In return for handing over our civil liberties, we deserve an agenda. We have been patient, compliant and dutiful. We have common purpose. We have obeyed. Now show us the plan.”

I completely agree. I have been waiting for Plan B for weeks.

Policy makers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They keep the shutdowns and bail-outs going for several months (bad idea), or they ease off and more people die (bad idea). I think they are waiting for the public to consent to the second option. Just not in Yellow Vest protest format. Perhaps we all start talking about that. Who is tallying the increase in suicides? Domestic violence? Drug overdoses? Mental health episodes?

#94 Linda on 04.10.20 at 4:08 pm

It isn’t reasonable or feasible to keep a country on lockdown for a year or more. Nor is it necessary. How it is that we seem to be overlooking the tool that the world wide web is? If Amazon et. al can enable millions to shop from home, seems to me that most suppliers could adapt technology to permit them to offer their customers access to their goods & services at an appropriately safe social distance. Telework isn’t a new concept either. There are a number of social media apps that permit face to face meetings.

The businesses that provide services that require direct contact are the ones which will unfortunately be out of luck until such time as social contact has been resumed. Eventually however that will resume, with or without government approval. Despite the fact this crisis is not yet over there are numerous reports of people choosing to disregard social distancing or outright defy lockdowns. I expect that will increase exponentially once the weather improves.

#95 Ustabe on 04.10.20 at 4:09 pm

…Also, where the hell do these whackos come from? This isn’t the U.S. after all (unless a lot of Americans come here to post which I don’t imagine they do. Maybe I’m wrong….).

From time to time when something particularly odious or”whacko” is posted I copy and paste the entire thing into Google.

And that often enough leads right to the particular site where the opinion was garnered. Often word for word too.

Using various online tool like whois, etc you can find out who are the owners, where the site is registered, etc. Most of them are Russian sponsored disinformation sites. Or at least allow a lot of disinformation to be posted…and leave it up even after the particular point has been widely disproved.

Its a wonderful world we live in where the least intelligent are allowed the loudest voices.

Try imaging these current times under the stewardship of Andrew Scheer and company.

Last week, on Garth’s blog, someone posted a link to a Ghanaian gossip site to “prove” their point of view. Might have been Gambia, not Ghana, I didn’t spend much time once I got there.

#96 Smoking Man on 04.10.20 at 4:09 pm

Reserection!

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#97 Trojan House on 04.10.20 at 4:09 pm

So I watched T2’s presser this morning. Glad to know he’s on the case. Two things struck me:

1. He was asked to clarify regarding his comment about taking 12 to 18 months to get past this while waiting for a vaccine. He just repeated his speaking points – we must stay home, blah, blah, blah. Didn’t really answer the question.

2. He said that he will do his next speech to the nation from the House of Commons tomorrow after the debate regarding the wage relief. After that he said he would be taking Sunday and Monday OFF to spend time with Sophie and the kids! I’m sorry Mr. PM, we are in the middle of a national/international crisis and you are going to take two days off???!!! You are the leader of a nation that is melting down. Unfortunately you do not have the luxury to take two days off during a time like this. This is what you signed up for. Unbelievable.

#98 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 4:09 pm

#43 Howard on 04.10.20 at 2:25 pm
Garth you stated yesterday:

Almost all losses are (of course) in the private sector. Few government workers have been impacted as Ms.Virus decimates the economy. The labour participation rate has plunged. Far more women than men are seeing their wages wiped out.

How is that possible when virtually all the impact is borne by the male-majority private sector, and almost none of it by the female-majority public sector?

Ask StatsCan. – Garth
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Probably because loads of Women work “side income” jobs where their hubbies are the bread winners in the household, and they are doing double duty on the home front and making a little income on top. These are crap bottom end jobs usually, and being part time, they are usually the first to go. Retirement age Women do this a lot too.

Of course, those ladies who work a govy job are in a totally different category all together, and I know this first hand. Great wages, huge benefits, DB pensions, and also paid to self isolate as it turns out.

Howie, if you ever decide to get married and have multiple willing candidates banging on your front door, do yourself a favour and choose one that works for the government.

That’s coming from someone who knows what he’s talking about (ie, all but 2 of the working females in my extended extended family do so for government).

#99 John in Mtl on 04.10.20 at 4:15 pm

@ #59 Reality is stark on 04.10.20 at 2:48 pm

I don’t think the world will easily forget what China just did; there is going to be a lot of fact-digging, investigations and many countries will reduce or eliminate their dependency on China for a lot of what they need, especially items deemed “critical”. This will probably in turn make it such that what we buy will cost more, maybe a lot more, because they will be sourced locally or from developed countries where the cost of living is much greater. Or the current status quo could go on if lets say, a country like India, becomes the next “chinese miracle”.

Way back in the late 80’s and throughout the 2000’s, it was hoped and thought by many scholars and observers that china would do away with communism and become a more open, honest and democratic society. When Xi Jinping got into power, he had other plans – heavy and brutal communist ideology for society but “sort-of” free markets so the country could get much needed “money” and technology to build his grand plan. Crony capitalism played right into Xi’s hand and he took advantage of this. China is not stupid. Now china is a world superpower and a growing menace to free societies. The CCP IS NOT OUR FRIEND. They will never change (unless there is an internal revolution); they beleive its “their turn” to impose the rules to the world like the US has done since WWII. They will do whatever it takes to achieve their goal.

#100 Dogman01 on 04.10.20 at 4:15 pm

#83 Joseph R. on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

I am not sure how you read that into it, basically don’t shut down opinions so that you or others do not hear them.

Instead hear them, evaluate them and choose to ignore or engage.

“To suppress free speech is a double wrong, it violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker” – Frederick Douglass

#101 Don Guillermo on 04.10.20 at 4:16 pm

#91 BS on 04.10.20 at 3:59 pm

Clearly Trudeau is not smart enough to do this. He will parrot what the experts tell him. Trump will make the right decision balancing everything. In the end we will follow the US. Or there will be civil disobedience and people will revolt. There is no way we stay locked down past the end of May.
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T2s experts are PC selected. I hope to hell we follow the US lead.

#102 Deplorable Dude on 04.10.20 at 4:20 pm

BC’s Hospital Covid19 resource is currently 97% unused (130 beds used out of 4500). 4 weeks into a soft lockdown.

Are they expecting some massive peak out of nowhere?

We’re going thru this to not overwhelm hospitals
, I didn’t realise that actually meant keeping the hospitals basically empty.

#103 BS on 04.10.20 at 4:20 pm

In World War II when Hitler basically tried to take over the world the world had to make a decision. Go to war and lose many lives or just let him do it. About 3% of the worlds population died in WWII. Was the end result worth it? As tragic as that was most would say yes. But there was an alternative. The world could have just given in to Hitler and let him rule the world. The world would have been a terrible place to live but far less people would have died.

We are facing a similar decision. Do we make the world a terrible place where there is poverty and our standard of living is way lower to prevent some deaths? Like WWII it is a difficult decision and neither outcome is attractive but we can’t base everything on just loss of life alone. Sometimes lives have to be sacrificed for the good of the world just like in WWII.

#104 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 4:21 pm

“We can social distance without turning off the entire economy. Grocery stores and pharmacies are showing us how. – Garth”

AGREED! You are too logical for your own good Garth.

In fact, in May that’s precisely what they will do in Italia Garth.

They will, as a part of Phase II as they call it, open up certain commercial businesses per what you say (e.g., neonatal services, libraries, card shops, kids clothing stores, laundromats, etc.). Travel bans lifted May 4. Many other things opening up. Gov Italia has a Decree List…you get the gist of it.

Italia has also kept grocery stores, pharmacies and tobacco shops open during lockdown.

*Personal Gripe:

have to wait until Barber Shops open on April 14th from the Decree list, could use a haircut here on Day 33 of lockdown (a.k.a., Martial Law).

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I do not see why Canada, say 1 month behind us here in Italia, cannot start do the same in June.

I think it may be a little early for Italia but the transmission rate, Rt, is at 1.0 in Italia which is considered Stabilising. Canada, when hits that can do the same AND you will have the Italian experience above to look at what went well, and what did not.

Not to bum Canadians out, but Canada still at an Rt > 2 (“Growing Rapidly Transmissibility Estimate”), not considered good.

So buckle down Canada.

Here are those Rt numbers for many countries courtesy of Imperial College MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis as of April 7th:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/covid-19-weekly-forecasts/week-07-04-2020/

PS: not in the above but an Rt <= 0.7 means: IT'S OVER.

#105 Stan Brooks on 04.10.20 at 4:22 pm

The time to plead for integrity was 15-20 years ago.

Now it is too late and the bitter medicine shall and will be swallowed in full.

The boss said maybe relaxation of social distancing toward the end of the summer i.e. 5-6 more months at best.

Good chance to damage irreparably or at least badly most businesses.
The question is what if these 6 months are not enough? And what if it all comes back in full swing in the winter?

A vaccine will be optimistically produced in 12-18 months time frame.

And the real question is what will life be after that.

It most likely won’t be anything even remotely resembling the debt abuse and excesses from the past.

Does anybody actually believe and say with straight face that life can and will be back to the ‘normal’ pre-virus times?

Who will be buying goods and services and with what?
Savings?

BTW the mortality for countries without TB vaccine is close to 10 %,

Things are not good and the worse is that with the health care system near and over capacity for years now, it could be completely shut down soon for-any treatment if restrictions are relaxed too quickly. Think about it if you have cancer or scheduled heart surgery while the hospital is in quarantine due to the virus.
This is why the initial measures are so strict.
Is that so difficult to comprehend?

How about all these health care workers exposed to the danger of being infected?

‘Suck it up and move on’, ‘don’t let the door hit you on your way out’, ‘too bad’, ‘life goes on’ and other stupidities of our daily past life do not work in extraordinary circumstances like this.

Life is about integrity, solidarity, the choice of the debt slaves to borrow vs save is their own decision and we will all pay a dear price for it anyway.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6804478/ontario-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-april-10/

Luckily we have our guiding light, our charismatic young and handsome fancy socks leader and hero, my personal saint, who will teach us on what integrity and solidarity means.

And maybe instead of bitching about taken liberties, some specific part of the audience should volunteer on delivering food and medication to old people at home for example or on donating to hospitals and doctors, volunteering at hospitals.

Why the heck are not the medical students at the hospitals in these challenging times? Pay them doctor’s salaries and put them on the front-line.

These are challenging times that require true leadership. Countries that go through this together, where people help and care for each other will prosper.

BTW potential future restriction like the one implemented in some parts of Italy, France and Spain (where the liberal initial approach proved wrong) are much worse than our current state so we may as well enjoy it while it lasts.

Liberty is allowed in certain ranges as far as it corresponds with the society’s best interest and the later changed fundamentally as of lately.

So we can’t be ‘free’ while endangering somebody else.

Cheers,

#106 Steven Nicolle on 04.10.20 at 4:23 pm

I don’t feel like I have been talked down to at all. A roadmap to when we can start to reopen the economy and get most people back to work sort of depends on getting a hold of this virus. Not near enough testing has been done to understand this virus. Heck I read today that 90 people who got this virus in South Korea and got cured got infected again. I agree with you but this thing we got to get a handle on or going back even in May or June I don’t see it. China had over 40 new infections yesterday with people being supervised etc. If we go back early and numbers shoot up again then what?

#107 NFN_NLN on 04.10.20 at 4:26 pm

Trudeau is on the 30th day of his 14th day self isolation.

The jokes write themselves. For all the people that voted for Trudeau I’d like your input. Are you proud of Trudeau’s leadership?

#108 Freedom First on 04.10.20 at 4:26 pm

The voice of sanity…….Great post Garth….thank you!

#109 joblo on 04.10.20 at 4:27 pm

Let me decide my personal plan of action:

1. Test me for virus, (kit size of a domino $25) I’ll pay.

2. No virus? I sign whatever, expose me, isolate 14 days, test me, positive, I isolate (21 days or die) not dead, free me, I have antibodies.

End of May I’m working or in a body bag. My choice, no Lieberal telling me what to do.

#110 don on 04.10.20 at 4:28 pm

Comment 65 and comment 88 pls see comment 48

#111 Figmund Sreud on 04.10.20 at 4:30 pm

FWIW: From G20 meeting today, production road map, … so I hear, will be as follows:

– OPEC+ and non-OPEC countries have agreed to cut production down by 10 million bbl/d this coming May and June.

– From July until the end of this year the combined cut will be reduced to 8 million bbl/d.

– From the start of 2021 until May 2022, the cut will be further reduced 6 million bbl/d.

… we shall see.

Best,

F.S. – Calgary, AB.

#112 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 4:36 pm

OK, fellow Steerage crew.

I posted this Canadian projection for C19 here, I think last week, April 4th, based on Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team Data:

https://i.imgur.com/1arbrta.png

The MIN estimate projection was:

683 deaths, 33831 cases

I sent that to Gov Canada the week before I posted it here, to get them off their duff and it is not some big secret if Plebeian me can figure it out.

Yesterday, the Gov Canada Projection (CTV News National screenshot):

https://i.imgur.com/l0ho176.png

700 deaths, 32000 cases

SO, Gov Canada using an optimistic scenario (see the MAX and AVERAGE projections in the 1st link).

I say, GOOD ON Gov Canada and it is obvious whose projection data they are using (Imperial College…just like the Brits, French, Germans, Americans, etc. are).

Damn the torpedoes…and buckle down Canada.

#113 Handsome Ned on 04.10.20 at 4:38 pm

things that make you go hmmm: I live in Richmond B.C. where close to 80% of the population are Chinese. Everyday up to March, thousands were flying back and forth from China. They are a very social people and their restaurants were always packed with large groups. it is only recently that they have taken to wearing masks if they can find them. You would think that Richmond should be the epicenter of the virus in Canada, with bodies on the sidewalks. We have had a shortage of hospital beds here ( population tripled and same old hospital). I have not heard of any Italy like conditions. Hopefully this is a good sign.

#114 Stone on 04.10.20 at 4:38 pm

#85 Stone on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm
Stop listening to the wall-to-wall MSM and social media virus porn, and you will be less afraid. Most people will never catch Covid. Of those who do, 95% experience mild symptoms. Facts matter. – Garth

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You might want to change that percentage. It’s actually 93.80%. Facts matter.

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-MAP/0100B59S39E/index.html

I’m sure that percentage will drop again very soon.

Well, you sure showed me. (Actually, this tally says 97%…) – Garth

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In that case, if you only want to look at Canada, Trudeau’s a superstar. I guess he gets re-elected hands down as a result. The Canadian gouvernment is actually doing something that is better than the average. Hooray! I guess that counters the thesis of today’s blog post. And why is the opposition quiet? Because they’re clueless on what to do or they know what’s happening and are scared witless. Hello Liberal majority.

On the worldstage, Canada is a nothingburger though. Taking a world view equalizes how this plays out. I don’t play favourites. I count everything, minus China of course and for good reason. The CCP are serial liars.

When this is all done and we look back in hindsight, we’ll (mostly) say that we dodged a very big bullet. Unlike the US. Let them reopen their economy early. It will be a sad experiment showing how fast they can implode.

#115 Stan Brooks on 04.10.20 at 4:41 pm

#111 joblo on 04.10.20 at 4:27 pm
Let me decide my personal plan of action:

1. Test me for virus, (kit size of a domino $25) I’ll pay.

2. No virus? I sign whatever, expose me, isolate 14 days, test me, positive, I isolate (21 days or die) not dead, free me, I have antibodies.

End of May I’m working or in a body bag. My choice, no Lieberal telling me what to do.

Which planet do you live on? The one where real estate only goes up and all is rosy and politically correct?

You most likely will have no antibodies whatsoever:

Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3078840/coronavirus-low-antibody-levels-raise-questions-about

If I am an old man, or with respiratory issues, diabetes (over 1 million people in Ontario) or a heart condition I will treat your potential reckless actions as premeditated murder attempt.
Do you realize that it is not about you in this case?

Reality will teach you manners pretty soon.

Is that really the intellectual level and integrity of the average sheeple? Deep sigh…

Cheers,

#116 LP on 04.10.20 at 4:42 pm

#52 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 2:37 pm
……I think I’ll add the free CERB cash I’m getting to the total as well. Why not? I don’t need it, and if the Libs had required some kind of means testing, I never would have qualified in a million years! Alas, no test means I’m getting more free cash to spend at GM and the Yamaha dealerships……….

somewhat less respect for you after reading that.

#117 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 4:43 pm

Dung, old out of date Canadian projection in prior post.

The one I sent away to Gov Canada for the 2nd or 3rd time:

https://i.imgur.com/7euNtTp.png

…getting old.

#118 Thank you on 04.10.20 at 4:44 pm

Thank you to every one who is complying with the lock down; every one who is working in the face of this terrible virus and to all those who are capable of rational thought and suggestions.

Prime Minister Trudeau and senior health care officials all need to be told that keeping every thing shut down for the foreseeable future is not an option – good, bad or other wise. And they better come up plans B, C and D now! Trump at least shows some optimism which is better than hearing doom and gloom.
Markham based company developed a blood test that is being used in Europe and other countries to determine who has antibodies to this virus. This is not being used in Canada because it isn’t sanctioned by WHO. No reason we couldn’t be part of the study. Test poses no risk and would provide useful data. Large segments of the population may have antibodies and are unlikely to either catch or spread the virus.

#119 yvr_lurker on 04.10.20 at 4:47 pm

I have been watching what is going on now in South Korea and China as they try to re-open. What is going on there, especially in South Korea where we trust the news more, is a little disconcerting.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/south-korea-coronavirus-covid19-reactivated-positive-1.5529066

If it is true that Covid-19 goes dormant in “recovered patients”, only to be re-activated later (and people do not have anti-bodies to prevent recurrence), we will be in a very bad way. Developing a vaccine for this scenario is much more challenging and problematic. I am hoping that the best scientific minds can collect and analyze the data in this direction from supposedey recovered individuals in Korea to see whether these observations have merit. And all this from bats in China , resulting from long-lived cultural practices, that some scientists sounded the alarm about over the past decade and were ignored. It is really problematic for the planet if new contagions originating in live animals markets in China can, in the space of 3 short months, sicken hundreded of thousands of people worldwide. Covid19, the gift that keeps on giving.

#120 truefacts on 04.10.20 at 4:55 pm

@#2 Screwed: “Single folks have weathered the storm much better than those with families…single folks with no children can always live with roommates…”

I think you have touched upon a big problem in Canada today. Marginalized workers worry they can’t afford things in life that previous generations had – houses, cars, and in many cases children. The Child Tax Benefit is quite generous and helps families, but many people still feel they cannot afford the life their parents/grandparents had. Historically, higher status men reproduced more and lower status men reproduced less (as many societies allowed polygamy). Canadian society did not, but many younger people feel economic constraints…not good for the future of the country.

Hope that housing crash happens soon (for the good of the country) – and I own a house and have kids…

#121 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 5:01 pm

#121 yvr_lurker

Agree but for a different reason.

Look it, everyone has been touting S. Korea, their containment miracle, etc. I say BS.

I never believed them and that was from just eyeballing the John Hopkins page, their Confirmed vs. Daily Increase histograms.

Made no sense to me. Why I never believed them.

Well this Brit, who was plotting infection rate curves for countries long before anyone else thought to do that on Twitter published this chart and comment from S. Korean data:

https://twitter.com/MarkJHandley/status/1246216531622670337

Or:

How is it deaths so high and cases so low?

Are C19 deaths being manufactured out of thin air? No big cases backlog either according to their “flattened curve”.

Why I have ignored the Chinese and S. Korean experiences and stay with C19 Infection Central Italia, at least they are honest and the data jives.

Add to that, the ever so reliable Brits and their Imperial College (serving up accurately pandemic info to we the masses for 20 years).

#122 Keyboard Smasher on 04.10.20 at 5:01 pm

@Garth

“But none of these points, questions or concerns should be construed by any social misfit as suggesting that society’s best option was to sit back and let the virus rip through the herd.”

But that IS what MUST and WILL happen inevitably.

The government of Sweden has all but admitted this. And this being one of the few governments in this world actually accountable to its constituents, and trusted by their citizenry, and why their response should be seen as a model for the rest of the world. Their infection rate is below those in full lock-down and their ICUs are not being over-saturated at current rates of infection.

The Swedes consider these lock-downs as futile, since they cannot be sustained for months, and once lifted – the population will still be vulnerable to re-infection and further propagation. And this will continue until there is a vaccine (expected in 12-18 months).

So the correct response is to ask for reasonable self-isolation of the vulnerable and distancing for the less vulnerable, and allow the population to develop an acquired immune response. This comes with some inevitable deaths.

The quicker you acquire and new corona virus, the better of you are. 80-90% of the population will become infected before a vaccine comes.

#123 Loonie Doctor on 04.10.20 at 5:02 pm

We have pretty low numbers of the hard-to-fake-stuff like hospitalization, ventilation, and deaths so far. Much lower than the governments’ published prediction models. The “curve” is also much flatter for these hard outcomes. Is it that we are earlier in the process than many countries or is it social distancing? No idea. Likely both.

I see three possible outcomes:

1) It plateaus now or soon, then dies off in summer to a low enough level that we can manage sporadic outbreaks that we aggressively contain and contact trace (like with TB). This requires more robust public health resourcing than we currently have and the ability to effectively detain people. The world-wide burden of disease is still pretty high though and we’d still need restricted travel.

2) Once we’ve prepared the healthcare system, then lighten restrictions and deal with a longer and lower peak of cases over several months. It would still be a strain our current healthcare system and other parts of it would suffer. Still, I think it is doable with all hands on deck.

3) We are just early in the spread and it will escalate dramatically (exponential growth) if we lighten restrictions. Then, we either suffer through poverty/civil unrest or more will die from the virus.

I am hoping for #1 and suspect #2 from the numbers and trajectory that I have seen. Big trouble if #3. All of the above will require leadership and decisive choices soon. I can’t really fault the government for the actions to date because we need to see which of those paths we are heading towards and #1 and #2 require time to build the needed infrastructure. However, I agree with Garth that the status quo is not a plan and we need one soon.
-LD

#124 Drinking on 04.10.20 at 5:02 pm

Asking this dysfunctional federal government for a plan is like asking someone to jump off a bridge. They knew in January that this was coming; what do they do, send a nice airplane full of masks and other equipment to China, do not ban flights from hot spots, no testing at airports,etc,etc,etc. One just cannot make this up.

Anyways, Happy Easter all, stay safe!

#125 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 5:05 pm

#85 Stone on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

You might want to change that percentage. It’s actually 93.80%. Facts matter.

Well, you sure showed me. (Actually, this tally says 97%…) – Garth
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94% (minimum) of the 2 ten thousandths of 1% of the planet who were infected with cv-19 had a tickle in their throats.

Lets all jump off a bridge.

#126 A J on 04.10.20 at 5:12 pm

#104 BS

Not comparable. At all. And I would hope we’ve come farther as a society and in our compassion for human beings than the 40s. They tried to save lives. Should Hitler have been left to his own devices to destroy Europe and kill as many people as he possibly could? What a messed up view.

Sacrificing lives for the economy is an evil stance. Period.

Sacrificing the economy will cost lives. We need a viable compromise plan than retains social distancing but allows commercial activity to roll out. Absolutes do not work.- Garth

#127 islander on 04.10.20 at 5:12 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/10/1000-deaths-a-day-dominic-raab-nhs

…you could be living in Britain………

#128 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:15 pm

By the way Garth, no sale.

Airports aren’t closed. The very BEST spreader of this Covid-19 is operational.

Look at all this air traffic day in and day out.

https://www.flightradar24.com/38.72,-78.78/4

Please stop saying it is closed. It isn’t. Many flights are coming into and out of major cities and this exponentially increases the claimed danger.

I cannot believe the incompetence on this point. Everyone here knows this required immediate shot down of travel. Music stops. Everyone freeze. Back in January.

Any fool can see the cost would have been much less.

But no. Chinese New Year ended and many Chinese nationals returned to their countries of residences. Connecting flights allowed travel out of China via back door. And right now thousands of commercial airliners are in the skies. Like yesterday. Like last week. Etc.

Bring back sick people to the country off the cruises ships? Yeah…that made a lot of sense too, right. Incompetence everwhere I looked since I opened my champagne to ring in 2020.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that flights are in the air this minute.
They can stick this forces quarantine right up their a$$ Garth. It’s meaningless. Pointless. I’m going for a jog. Latter I’m meeting a friend for some basketball.

Flights stop. I stop.

#129 Neo on 04.10.20 at 5:16 pm

Garth,

Here is what I don’t understand. This lockdown was started with the plan to buy us time so our healthcare system would not be overrun with people on ventalitors. Aka flattening the curve and spreading out the infections…not preventing anyone ever getting the virus altogether which is what this has morphed into.

According to Ontario’s own projections we have the capacity for between 400 to a max of 900 people on ventalitors. As of April 10th Ontario has 214 Covid-19 patients on ventilators. Canada altogether has 518 patients in ICU. This situation is no where near out of control in hospitals.

Here is what the government SHOULD be doing.

– instead of lecturing the masses every daily press conference about behaving and it’s only up to us. NO. It’s actually up to the government. They are the ones impacting our lives and livelihoods. So every press conference should be about what they are doing to procure the necessary equipment to prepare hospitals for present and future surges.

– clearly identify risk based on the experience of the countries dealing with this virus for 5 months and in particular Canada the past two months. Who are the segments of the population at high risk and low risk? It’s obvious seniors are at the highest risk. Adults with preconditions are also high. Children and healthy adults are low risk. Express that to the population so everybody doesn’t think they is a high probability they are all going to die from this virus. 97% of the population will have little to mild symptoms and be carriers to the 3% who will over run the health care system. If that’s the case protect the 97% from the 3%. Provide such things as N95 masks if they want to leave their homes and encourage them to stay home. Provide it to the general public if they wish. The rest of the population can then go about our business but with care.

– staying in this state for several months is ridiculous. The current trends of this virus do not support those measures. What is important is for the government to prepare the health care system not wait for a vaccine and tell Canadians to wait because that’s not a plan. That’s not leadership. There has to be a balance between the health of the country in economic and Covid-19 terms and right now there is just a vacuum of leadership leaving people scared and confused.

#130 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 5:17 pm

#118 LP on 04.10.20 at 4:42 pm
#52 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 2:37 pm
……I think I’ll add the free CERB cash I’m getting to the total as well. Why not? I don’t need it, and if the Libs had required some kind of means testing, I never would have qualified in a million years! Alas, no test means I’m getting more free cash to spend at GM and the Yamaha dealerships……….
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somewhat less respect for you after reading that.
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You were expecting me to voluntarily pass?

I am legitimately laid off, and the last time I took any kind of EI, ATM’s had not been invented yet.

Libs never thought means testing was a good idea, so I become no less entitled to it as anyone else.

Don’t hate the player…

#131 When the virtue of tolerance opens the wounds of a dying society. on 04.10.20 at 5:18 pm

Sitting watching the ground squirrel T2 stick his head up out of his hole has pretty much sealed his fate. It’s nothing more than scripted corruption. When tolerance is your only virtue, you end up tolerating the intolerable. This isn’t compassion standing idly by while the masses destroy themselves fearing the unknown. It’s cowardice for those who have implemented these policies that only further lead to degradation and mass unemployment. These same individuals IMO have earned nothing but shame. Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society. Disunity of its citizens are the results of corruption in politicians. Governments mean mind control instead of solutions to restore normality that has all become apparent to the majority of Canadian’s.

Happy Easter, everyone….think for your self get out of debt and seek independents of bribes and handouts. Tell you’re local M.P’s sitting home waiting on the ground hog to speak isn’t working. We need to return to our choices of work.

#132 Grunt on 04.10.20 at 5:22 pm

There’s no question in my mind Canada of today is better than Canada of old.

C-19 has hit the pause button. We need to get going before a hole burns in the picture.

Lately I’ve been revisiting photos of old. Spot the pollution in Toronto. A heavily industrialized lakefront. Grime-laden buildings from coal & wood burning. A heavy haze of pollution hanging over a lower skyline. Nothing unique there. Every city then looked like a modern Shanghai in that respect.

During the C-19 I’ve been enjoying the 3 Mile walk to work. Toronto’s early morning air hasn’t smelt fresher.
Obviously it can’t last but it would be sweet if we could step forward from today’s pollution to make a healthier environment for tomorrows Canada.

As for our politicians. Look at yesterday. They say the camera doesn’t lie. I’ve never seen such a shady looking bunch as before my time. I’d never buy used from C D Howe, Diefenbaker, Duplesis, Gardiner or Mackenzie King. Wouldn’t trust them any further than I could throw them…

#133 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 5:22 pm

#48 Phoney Data Scientist and Govt Expert

…and 9/11 never happened, a fake plane crashed into the Pentagon and Rudolph does not have a red nose (also, Planet Claire has Pink Air).

There you go. The best I could come up with on short notice to match your logic.

Consider a career change to junk email and fake news writing for CNN (and Orange Man).

#134 Marco on 04.10.20 at 5:23 pm

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#135 Stone on 04.10.20 at 5:25 pm

#128 IHCTD9 on 04.10.20 at 5:05 pm
#85 Stone on 04.10.20 at 3:46 pm

You might want to change that percentage. It’s actually 93.80%. Facts matter.

Well, you sure showed me. (Actually, this tally says 97%…) – Garth
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94% (minimum) of the 2 ten thousandths of 1% of the planet who were infected with cv-19 had a tickle in their throats.

Lets all jump off a bridge.

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This isn’t done yet. Let’s talk about that bridge jumping thing again when that occurs. As in Italy with its collapsing bridges, there may not be any bridges left to jump off of by then though.

#136 Don Guillermo on 04.10.20 at 5:28 pm

#82 the Jaguar on 04.10.20 at 3:40 pm
I posted this link before, but I am doing it again because it’s that damn good. The whole interview is stellar, but if you start listening at 31.10 you will see the very issue that Garth discusses ( ‘a plan ahead’) is addressed very eloquently by this very smart cookie. It’s from a US perspective, but of course applies equally to our situation in Canada. Kevin Warsh for Prime Minister. Love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da8ZspnvR2s
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Finally got watch this, Excellent! I’d like to think we have experts like this working for our government. Highly unlikely.

#137 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 5:28 pm

Sacrificing the economy will cost lives. We need a viable compromise plan than retains social distancing but allows commercial activity to roll out. Absolutes do not work.- Garth

No wiser words spoken, exactly.

Life is never black and white. It is grey.

#138 Robl on 04.10.20 at 5:31 pm

#20 jamie

Sweden is continuing and has the public’s sorry but even they are not certain that their doing the right thing either. They admit that if their mortality rate keeps rising they may have to pivot.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5ucHIub3JnLzUxMDMyNS9wb2RjYXN0LnhtbA&episode=YjMxOTdkMmItYTAzMy00YjJhLWJkNDAtN2QzZWE0MGVmZmEy

#139 Jimers on 04.10.20 at 5:39 pm

Garth, thanks for the CERB info, MSM seemed to indicate I didn’t qualify, but after reading your post it seemed I did, logged on, read requirements, what do you know!
$2000 in my account the next day. ;)

#140 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:41 pm

Asked the kids to pull out the BluRay of “The 10 Commandments”.

The little one brought me “Commando”! …yes, both are in my collection. “Let off some steam Bennett!”

Oh….how I laughed. Arnold on Good Friday?

Anyhow…just finished watching it. 10, not Arnold.
Mighty thematic. We’re enslaved by an invisible virus by our politicians, while green fog of death threatens our old and weak – doesn’t pick first borne this time.

Our commandments now?
1. Though shalt stay a shepherd’a staff length away from thy neighbour
2. Though shalt not participate in consumerism
3. Though shall not hold more than 1 moon cycle or toilet paper supply
4. Though must be masked
5. Though will not travel, except on airplanes-which will fly on and on
6. Though shall not work
7. Though shall suckle off the Government’s teat
8. Though shall not exchange bodily fluids freely
9. Though shall not interact with wrinklies
10. Though shall leave the killing to the “Chinese Virus”!

#141 Marco on 04.10.20 at 5:41 pm

Ah, yes for all of you who promote ideas of no having children….
This is primitive, tribal society, power is in number. Without big family , you end up like a turd in the rain.

#142 kc on 04.10.20 at 5:44 pm

122 Stone on 04.10.20 at 4:48 pm

More than your small brittle mind could imagine or begin to accept.

You have no clue how good you all have it here.

Do you need to come off some type of meds?

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

You have attacked me twice and ignored the substance of our discussion.

Please tell me what it was like living behind the iron curtain… and i will tell you how the poor live in Cario, Jakarta, etc…

By attacking me you debase your argument further.

#143 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:46 pm

This is inspiring, considering the origin of this thing.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-stay-away-from-here-in-china-foreigners-have-become-a-target-for/

#144 islander on 04.10.20 at 5:49 pm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/personal-finance/household-finances/article-in-tough-times-banks-can-take-your-heloc-safety-net-away/

Check your HELOC

#145 Terry on 04.10.20 at 5:51 pm

“The efforts people have put into social distancing, personal hygiene and altering their daily lives have been both impressive and effective.”

The evidence is already coming out that herd immunity has been taking place for months now. This virus has circumvented the world already and many people have already had it without even knowing it. The flattening of the downward slope/curve is happening naturally because of herd immunity. If social distancing measures were working the data charts in most locations all around the world with those measures and restrictions in place would have shown steeper downward slopes. That did not and is not happening. Therefore, the lock downs and social distancing has done nothing but destroy our economies. Good luck with that fact going forward everyone.

#146 Figure it Out on 04.10.20 at 5:55 pm

Swedes’ trust in their government is above the OECD average, but many countries’ citizens trust their governments more, including Canada. Source:

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/governance/government-at-a-glance-2017/trust-in-government_gov_glance-2017-76-en

I don’t know why we’re still talking about Sweden anymore, anyway. It provided a good natural experiment given how similar conditions were to Denmark, with different policies. Welp, Denmark is doing significantly better. Source:
https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

#147 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 5:57 pm

Resurrection is a good plan.

All of this is a simulation, every body is just an avatar. Relax, go with the flow, keep learning from the experiences, especially from the weird ones.

Happy Easter.

P.S.: have you seen the list of ETFs, the FED is going to buy?

#148 John on 04.10.20 at 6:02 pm

Bill is up to no good

https://www.fort-russ.com/amp/2020/04/robert-f-kennedy-jr-exposes-bill-gates-vaccine-dictatorship-plan-cites-gates-twisted-messiah-complex/

#149 Zed on 04.10.20 at 6:10 pm

How are we going to pay for this?

In Canada we have only one thing of value, RE.

Tax RE value, a one time “War on Covid-19 Tax” maybe at a rate of 1%. Set a date in time, maybe May 1st 2020. The Federal government put a lien of all principal residence in Canada at that 1% rate.

When a property is sold in the future, the seller has to remit to the government of Canada 1% of the value of the property on May 1st 2020 to cover the cost to the society in general to fight the virus.

It is not unfair, the value of RE is what it is because Canada helps create that value. It is a way to pay back your country.

The millennials would be happy with such a tax since the boomers, who apparently need the most care right now and who have “all” that RE wealth, would pay the most.

#150 BS on 04.10.20 at 6:12 pm

#130 A J on 04.10.20 at 5:12 pm
#104 BS

Not comparable. At all. And I would hope we’ve come farther as a society and in our compassion for human beings than the 40s. They tried to save lives. Should Hitler have been left to his own devices to destroy Europe and kill as many people as he possibly could? What a messed up view.

Sacrificing lives for the economy is an evil stance. Period.

You seem to take both sides. Was WWII worth it or not? Was it worth losing 3% of the worlds population to stop Hitler? Yes or no.

If the answer is yes then you are okay with them sacrificing lives to maintain the worlds status at that time. Why not today?

If the answer is no then you will not sacrifice lives and are okay if it destroys the world as long as the least amount of people die in the short term.

We don’t know if more or less people would have died if in the long term if Hitler took over and we don’t know if more or less people will die in the long term if the world goes into a depression after a 12 month lock down. What we do know is those that will suffer the most in the lock down situation will be the poor. The poor will be the ones who are homeless, in many countries people will starve and all poor (including the former middle class) will live a much shorter life. Those who are rich may lose some money but will be fine. Trudeau will still live the life of an elite no matter what. Not so much for the working poor or indebted home owner who loses the house. They will have nothing and live in poverty where the government has no money for social programs, certainly not for the amount of people who will require them. Think Mexico in Canada. Is it worth it to save a few lives? I’m not sure it is.

#151 gfd on 04.10.20 at 6:12 pm

This is not entirely related to the virus but may help to broaden the horizon on where this has been going for some time now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5QzuzD01A&feature=youtu.be

#152 Andrea on 04.10.20 at 6:15 pm

Balanced and informative, nice post, Garth. A few of my friends are becoming conspiracy theorists lately. Guess that’s what happens when people have too much time on their hands. Have you ever met a conspiracy theorist that wasn’t angry and didn’t want to tell everyone about it? Me neither. I’m not subscribing to that nonsense, I’m getting a puppy instead.

#153 BrianT on 04.10.20 at 6:27 pm

This whole thing reminds me of the Iraq war-for the younger readers the Iraq war was wildly popular originally (just like this shutdown/takedown)-probably similar to this-about an 80/20 split would be my guess. I was against it and just like on this one you catch a lot of abuse for any stance so unpopular. Then as time goes by and the whole scam/fiasco starts to become more clear that 80/20 split starts to change-once it gets to 50/50 all the conformist sheep that simply need to have the correct popular viewpoint on everything jump ship-and eventually just like with the Iraq war nobody is going to admit they were ever in favor of this action. My prediction is that in April 2021 the criticism of this takedown will be fast and furious as the bills start to come due and it will be coming from the conformist sheep the loudest-look for politicians who get in front of this thing to win-obviously still too early for those guys/gals to open their mouths.

#154 Tool time on 04.10.20 at 6:32 pm

Is it just me or are we being totally scammed. Teachers making almost 100k a year all of a sudden get to stay home and still collect full pay. Aside the token maybe five hours a week online which still has to be proven they collect all pay. Why do we allow this to happen? Is school going to be made up in the summer doubtful. Your friends and neighbours are on the EI line and gold plated teachers reap benefits the butcher the baker and candlestick maker only dream of. Total injustice.

#155 Ottawa_resident on 04.10.20 at 6:37 pm

Since people save 1-3 months of income for a rainy day, why didn’t Trudeau start the CERB payments a month from now, or lower the amount to $1000 (vice $2000)?

Nothing is free from the government. It’s going to cost all of us higher taxes and/or inflation in the end.

It’s short term relief for very long term pain.

#156 Ustabe on 04.10.20 at 6:38 pm

#132 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:15 pm

By the way Garth, no sale.

Airports aren’t closed. The very BEST spreader of this Covid-19 is operational.

Look at all this air traffic day in and day out.

https://www.flightradar24.com/38.72,-78.78/4

Please stop saying it is closed. It isn’t. Many flights are coming into and out of major cities and this exponentially increases the claimed danger.

Airline operate their routes and landing rights on a use it or lose it basis.

Of course it is more complicated than that but they are flying mostly empty aircraft on routes they wish to maintain and into airports they wish to hold onto landing rights.

Any regular passenger onboard would have to pass any border controls/quarantine requirements at the destination as well.

#157 BLTandfries on 04.10.20 at 6:38 pm

“Why here?”

Why here? I would say it’s the fairly generous and laissez-faire moderation style, in conjunction with the fact that many of these views are more common and reasonable than you might think. I would take it as a compliment.

#158 Rick on 04.10.20 at 6:44 pm

I never gave up my freedoms; to any government.

#159 JacqueShellacque on 04.10.20 at 6:46 pm

Between now and Apr 30 crucial. The Orange One faces the trickiest decision for an American president perhaps since the Cuban Missile Crisis – declare that it’s time to go back to work, or that we need another month. If he gets it right (people back to work with no spike in deaths, or knowing that sending people back to work would spike deaths and announcing such), he wins re-election. Get it wrong (too early and a spike in deaths, or too late and an economic collapse, either of which could be hung around his neck), then it’ll be the shell of Joe Biden followed in about a year or so by whoever Gropey Joe’s running mate happens to be.

Took a drive through Norfolk County (ON) on Sunday, a cool but otherwise beautiful spring day, through Simcoe and to Long Point on Lake Erie. In towns, people on the streets, even a food truck open. I don’t see people staying inside on 20 degree days, no matter what health care technocrats or social media shamers might think. In fact I believe the pencil-pushers and Twitterati hipsters risk making themselves irrelevant by ignoring the obvious, common sense costs of trillions borrowed even as the health care system seemingly holds up. The top-down stuff is always predictable, but as elites throughout history have found, the bottom-up stuff can really get ya. It’ll get to be a bad look when financially unaffected bureaucrats and snooty urban techies try to sic the cops on waitresses, mechanics, construction, and factory workers to keep those from doing the only thing that allows them to feed their families.

We were told to flatten the curve, to preserve the capacity of Western health care systems to care for those affected and unaffected. At some point, soon, that needs to be determined and the economic costs limited. Otherwise prepare for the 4th big tumultuous economic event of the century (2000, 2008, 2020, 20??) sometime in the next decade. Garth, I love you and your advice, but I think you need to take a page from Taleb and prepare people to both survive and take advantage of the volatility that’s coming.

#160 yvr_lurker on 04.10.20 at 6:48 pm

#124 Dolce Viva

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I really hope that you are right. However, it is super-important to find out for certain at this stage on whether previously infected people have immunity. If the virus can lie dormant (think of chicken pox and shingles, although triggered years later, or the herpes virus etc…) and then awaken, it will be hugely problematic. Independent experts are needed to track the outcomes of these recovered individuals.

#161 bob on 04.10.20 at 6:50 pm

Thank you Garth, today’s post was much more balanced and I agree with you 100%

The question now is, do we trust our elected leaders to figure out what needs to be done?… and then be able to execute?

#162 Coho on 04.10.20 at 6:55 pm

People are trying to make sense of the unprecedented reaction to C19 by the authorities. Some of us are concerned and voicing these concerns open us to ridicule and being labelled this or that.

Most people have no qualms about cooperating and doing their part to help reduce the spread of this thing and get on with life as usual after it recedes. However, the heart of the matter is trust or lack thereof of the authorities and their true intent. People may not see through everything, but the Divine sees through all.

It is obvious that many or perhaps most people are wary of those in power. It could be about specific things or just a feeling in their gut (or better yet their heart) that the reaction doesn’t square with the threat.

People have good reason to apprehensive or even fearful of a “new normal” that may come out of this. Every time we leave the house we unconsciously make the decision to accept the risk inherent in living in a free society.

Most people do not have a problem with being temporarily inconvenienced for the greater good. Even those of us that are skeptical will abide out of respect for our fellow Canadians and wanting to be a responsible citizen. What we the people will have a problem with is as an ongoing situation akin to someone standing at the door deciding for us that it is “too risky” to leave the house. Existing is not living.

Seeing how economies have been suicided, I can’t help but feel as if the farm has been bet. All the chips have been moved into the pot. What is the bet and who stands to gain from all of this?

#163 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 6:59 pm

#160 Ustabe

Airline operate their routes and landing rights on a use it or lose it basis.

Of course it is more complicated than that but they are flying mostly empty aircraft on routes they wish to maintain and into airports they wish to hold onto landing rights.

Any regular passenger onboard would have to pass any border controls/quarantine requirements at the destination as well.

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Ok, let’s say you’re right and these planes are empty as you claim. Something there is no way to audit just because you say. This makes sense how? Burning all this fuel for no reason? To hold onto landing rights?

Who will take them after this thing is over? Airlines will be destroyed by this. As they should be to be honest. They could have stepped up and shut this down with some foresight. But as usual greed until the last breath.

Do not fret. Plenty of spots at airports after this. Spots for parking, ciosks, restaurants, seats, planes, gates, landing spots.

Drill down deeper in my link onto specific flights, not sure those landing rights are so precious.

#164 Marco on 04.10.20 at 7:01 pm

#49 Devil Anse on 04.10.20 at 2:31 pm
#2 Screwed on 04.10.20 at 1:00 pm
Single folks have weathered the storm much better than those with families. Sure, job loss hurt everyone. But single folks with no children can always live with roommates.

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I’ll hunker down with my children any day over adult room mates.

Thank you and God bless you

#165 UmiouiuS on 04.10.20 at 7:03 pm

National COVID-19 Volunteer Recruitment Campaign – We need you!
The Government of Canada is working with provincial and territorial governments to respond to COVID-19.

We are seeking volunteers to help in the following areas:
Case tracking and contact tracing;
Case data collection and reporting; and,
Health system surge capacity.

We are building an inventory of volunteers from which provincial/territorial governments can draw as needed.
Please visit our recruitment page to submit your name to join us in Canada’s response to COVID-19.

We thank you in advance for helping to protect the health of Canadians.

#166 UmiouiuS on 04.10.20 at 7:09 pm

Here is the link to the ‘National Covid-19 Volunteer Recruitment Campaign:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-service-commission/national-covid-19-recruitment-campaign-we-need-you.html

#167 YOU-ME-WE-US on 04.10.20 at 7:11 pm

Here is the link to the ‘National Covid-19 Volunteer Recruitment Campaign:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-service-commission/national-covid-19-recruitment-campaign-we-need-you.html

#168 Arturo on 04.10.20 at 7:11 pm

As usual, really well said. Respect. Hard to get someone with a balanced opinion nowadays. Garth, why don’t you just run for office?

#169 TurnerNation on 04.10.20 at 7:12 pm

#106 Stan Brooks impossible your utopian suggesting “”And maybe instead of bitching about taken liberties, some specific part of the audience should volunteer on delivering food and medication to old people at home for example or on donating to hospitals and doctors, volunteering at hospitals.””

– They would not accept outside items donated, could be contaminated you know.
– Loved ones, even dying, may not be visited in hospitals, nursing homes. Quicker deaths will ensure; maybe dying at home with family, not calling for help, is a more palatable bet these days?
– Donating to hospitals? That’s called taxation. And set to spike.
– I have first hand reports that local and provincial police have saturated the GTA as I write this. Luring around corners, abutments, both directions. Clustering near highway ingress and egress points. Downtown, near parks.
Papers please. You ain’t going nowhere son. Good luck explaining your mission of mercy joyride.

#170 n1tro on 04.10.20 at 7:20 pm

#288 Dolce Vita on 04.10.20 at 5:43 pm
#284 n1tro

I get my news from the balanced Italian & English MSM.

Cdn news for the most part is for amusement as is FOX…one or both are evidently your news sources.

And what’s up with binary? What is that anyway? “In the know” name dropping?

What happened to plain speaking English?
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Wow…I guess I touched a nerve for you to go after my English skills along with my news source preferences.

The binary I’m referring to is your endorsement of such extreme actions or not doing anything being the only choices governments have to which I pointed out a few countries taking a more level headed approach.

As for being “in the know”, you have stated many times your location and demographic so it isn’t a far stretch to assume you are more concerned with how the virus can impact you just like how younger people tend to be indifferent to it.

The arguments to justify such extreme actions as to save the lives of poor innocent people, health care professionals, etc, etc are paper thin at best. In countries where there are actual poor people, dying is relevant but not on top of people’s minds because they see it everyday. How many ventilators do you think the masses have access to in places outside of a G7 country?

What’s worst? 3% chance of dying of covid-19 while working to provide for your family or living and watching your family suffer as you run out of money?

I’m one of those folks who think all these measures are stupid and self serving. Not because I’m not afraid of dying or infecting my family

#171 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.10.20 at 7:22 pm

Lol Garth. I told you this would happen. You censored so called right wing extremist views and warped the balance of your blog. Lo and behold, the fearmongers and Bubble Wrappers appeared on cue.

You emboldened them. Thanks.

This country is f’ed.

#172 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.10.20 at 7:25 pm

@ #132 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:15 pm

YUUUUPPPP!

#173 Ironic on 04.10.20 at 7:25 pm

Big US hospitals are laying off staff. Nothing for them to do. The most recent estimate by the model used by the US government has 60000 covid deaths and yes it accounts for social distancing. In a typical year 61000 are lost to the flu in the US. The ruling class is looking for somewhere to hide.

#174 NoName on 04.10.20 at 7:27 pm

#167 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 6:59 pm
#160 Ustabe

Airline operate their routes and landing rights on a use it or lose it basis.

Of course it is more complicated than that but they are flying mostly empty aircraft on routes they wish to maintain and into airports they wish to hold onto landing rights.

Any regular passenger onboard would have to pass any border controls/quarantine requirements at the destination as well.

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Ok, let’s say you’re right and these planes are empty as you claim. Something there is no way to audit just because you say. This makes sense how? Burning all this fuel for no reason? To hold onto landing rights?

Who will take them after this thing is over? Airlines will be destroyed by this. As they should be to be honest. They could have stepped up and shut this down with some foresight. But as usual greed until the last breath.

Do not fret. Plenty of spots at airports after this. Spots for parking, ciosks, restaurants, seats, planes, gates, landing spots.

Drill down deeper in my link onto specific flights, not sure those landing rights are so precious.

airplanes are mostly empty, from us version of billy boy.

https://youtu.be/Y_dMGQ2vVwU

#175 Jim on 04.10.20 at 7:28 pm

There are some interesting numbers coming out of Iceland. The only country doing a kind of full scale testing. They are not only testing those who ask to be tested due to symptoms they are also using the phonebook to do random testing of people. What they have found is over 50% are asymptotic, the infection rate is 0.6-0.8% of the population. They have 1600 confirmed cases and 6 deaths. Iceland has not locked down but has limited groups to less than 20. The numbers out of NYC are also of interest, 83% of deaths had one or more of hypertension, diabetes, or heart disease. Age over 70 was 53%. I suspect age is secondary to the other comorbidities. Those in advanced years have more of the comorbidities and thus higher death rate. The problem being general health in the western world isn’t much better than financial health. Covid is showing more than one emperor has no clothes.

#176 Drinking on 04.10.20 at 7:28 pm

#169 UmiouiuS

National COVID-19 Volunteer Recruitment Campaign – We need you! = Communism- No thanks!

Thanks for the alert!

#177 Leo Trollstoy on 04.10.20 at 7:29 pm

The economy of Millenials is being destroyed to save Boomers

#178 Al on 04.10.20 at 7:31 pm

“Sunwing dangles $799 vacations to sun spots”

They were doing that all winter long, $753 actually. Great hotel on a big beautiful Mexican beach. AI.

#179 Drinking on 04.10.20 at 7:34 pm

#153 Zed

We have plenty of resources to sell to the rest of the world but a government who is hell bent of suppressing that! Remember that on election day!

#180 Nonplused on 04.10.20 at 7:35 pm

Went to Costco today and things remain surreal. The parking lot was not very busy but they still had people lined up outside, which is new for the afternoon. They were strictly limiting the number of people that could be in the store at one time.

Lots of masks. I’d say more than half the people were wearing some form of mask. Where they are getting them I do not know. But it was a little unsettling. Also unusual was how people politely waited for other people to move at the 6 foot distance. My wife hadn’t been out of the house since this all started and about 20 minutes in she mentioned that she found it emotionally disturbing. As do we all.

Toilet paper was in stock! Lots of it! But only the expensive kind and one per member. Strangely, 2% milk was out of stock but there was lots of 1% and 3%. Even Kraft dinner and some types of pasta have reappeared. Still no hand sanitizer though. My wife and I managed to fill 2 carts without buying 2 of anything (except milk and Doritos, teenage boy in the house. Oh and Bubly. My wife loves that stuff.)

Quick stop at the liquor store for the remaining necessities and we should be good for 3 or 4 weeks now.

It’s weird driving around and seeing all the parking lots empty. No congestion on Deerfoot whatsoever. My mechanic is still open but he is offering a fair discount through the end of the month because business has dried up. I guess if people aren’t driving their cars don’t break down. Also if people can’t afford rent I imagine they can’t afford auto repairs either.

I don’t know what the world is going to be like 1 year from now, but my sense is that this is going to leave a big mark. I don’t get the sense that the government will give an all clear signal in 2 weeks and we’ll all just head back to the pubs. Something has fundamentally changed, I just can’t put my finger on what.

And all because of a bat.

#181 Flop... on 04.10.20 at 7:36 pm

As an immigrant who has lived in five countries, I knew Canada was heading further left before most people.

During my citizenship test I ticked the box that stated: The War Of 1812 started when Bernie Sanders came across the border the borrow a cup of sugar, without the proper documents.

They still let me stay…

M45BC

#182 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.10.20 at 7:42 pm

@#160 Unstable:

What a crock. Landing rights? The federal and provincial governments have passed laws/issued orders severely curtaining the right of individual Canadians and businesses. Why couldn’t they just order that all “landing rights” are frozen until the “crisis” is over?

#183 Bob Dog on 04.10.20 at 7:43 pm

If the cost of housing plummets to historical norms won’t the standard of living be going up?

Let the speculators get wiped out. Risk is the cost of investing

https://www.mediaite.com/news/venture-capital-ceo-dumbfounds-cnbc-anchor-by-saying-billionaires-and-hedge-funds-dont-deserve-a-bailout-let-them-get-wiped-out/

#184 Flop... on 04.10.20 at 7:44 pm

I put this up last night, but people seemed to notice the U.S number, but not the Chinese numbers sneaking in for the bronze.

Their stimulus package is only just above 1% of GDP.

Lip service.

I can see their lips moving, but I can’t understand what they are saying…

M45BC

The Five G20 Countries with the Largest Coronavirus Stimulus Programs

1. United States: $2.3 trillion (11% of GDP)
2. Germany: $189.3 billion (4.9% of GDP)
3. China: $169.7 billion (1.2% of GDP)
4. Canada: $145.4 billion (8.4% of GDP)
5. Australia: $133.5 billion (9.7% of GDP)

https://howmuch.net/articles/worlds-economic-programs-against-coronavirus

#185 Dan on 04.10.20 at 7:49 pm

# 20 jaime
I believe you just wrote the world’s longest single sentence!

#186 Dan on 04.10.20 at 7:55 pm

I’ve got too much time on my hands lately….

#187 Herb on 04.10.20 at 7:55 pm

Since March 16th, I have twice posted the views of an obscure pulmonologist, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, who may have been difficult to understand because he spoke German with English sub-titles.

There should be no difficulty understanding Prof. Knut Wittkowski on the same Covid-19 crisis. He has been working in epidemiology for 35 years, of which the last 20 were in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&feature=youtu.be

Now someone please tell me what’s going on.

#188 Calgary retiree on 04.10.20 at 7:57 pm

Yes, you may have become the unwitting flag bearing hero of the terminally discontented fascists among us.

A legitimate question may be to ask if there are alternative approaches that deserve consideration. The way that Sweden has decided to go comes to mind. Sweden did not shut down the economy and is letting the development of herd immunity proceed – while protecting the vulnerable.

So far not so good on the Swedish mortality side. But then again, what price are we willing to pay to protect people at the end of their natural life span?

A legitimate – but not very popular question.

#189 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 7:57 pm

Re: children

Yes, definitely have children. How else will you build your family dynasty? Kids are cheap and helpful if raised correctly.

Very nice weather today. 20 km hike up a mountain and along a snowy ridge with wife, son and gf, and, of course, the dogs. Lots of vitamin D. Takeout Thai food for dinner, tripe for dogs, and we’re all knackered. And content.

Regarding the virus? I don’t actually care what happens or what the government does. Not something I can control. There’s always a way to benefit, and that I can control.

#190 AR on 04.10.20 at 8:00 pm

No, C19 is not the flu. It’s serious, deadly, new and scary. Hundreds have died. Thousands more will. But millions won’t.

How do you know? You say this isn’t a virus blog.

1918 – 50 million died. Why couldn’t this be the same. Because we hope it’s not?

What would your plan be if you were advising right now… How can you make a plan when you have no idea how the virus is going to behave.

Let me clarify – billions will not get it. Happy? – Garth

#191 Andrew on 04.10.20 at 8:00 pm

Don’t fight the Fed boys. Shouldn’t have cut corporate debt. Cronyism will come save their butt buddies. Steve butt Munchin

#192 People Panic on 04.10.20 at 8:01 pm

What is scary about the conspiracy theorists is that they were always there, lurking around on the internet looking for a forum. There are still people that think 9/11 was an inside job and the buildings were demolished. This despite video evidence and multiple eye witness accounts that big planes flew into them. But if you state that 50% of the population is below average IQ, typically you get a very strong reaction. “That’s not true!” people say, despite the fact that it is mathematically impossible for that not to be the case. It seems to me that not only is 50% of the population below average IQ, but the average seems to be dropping quickly. Must be wifi radiation. (Joke, wifi is likely harmless. Anyway I don’t know how to live without it anymore.)

But I do want one of those flat earth models for a living room table decoration. That would be cool. I wonder if you can get them on Amazon?

Interestingly, one of the first organizations to make widespread use of IQ testing was the US Army. It turns out there is a certain percentage of the population that is so dumb they are literally a hazard to have around in a military setting. Basically anything below 80. But these people are on the internet, and they are pretty sure they know things other people don’t. Like the moon landings were fake and such. And they also have guns.

#193 Nixter on 04.10.20 at 8:01 pm

My 92 year old mother in law who is at home living by herself, and healing a broken femur ,says this is worse than living through the second world war.
She originated from Slovenia.

Gave her a quick hug and kiss on the head when leaving my visit, and she was afraid of the contact even though I’ve seen her almost everyday since she broke her femur Feb 12th.

So yeah keeping people afraid works.

Keeping us corralled like cattle is not going to work much longer.

#194 conan on 04.10.20 at 8:03 pm

Still lots of posters not getting it.

A country can not let Covid rip. If it tries to , everyone gets sick. Doctors, nurses, everyone. If you get into an accident and break a bone , or suffer a heart attack, you might die, because there is no health care, all the doctors are sick, there is no health system. The only fix,if it is left to this point, is to shut the whole economy down for a year .

So any sane country is not letting it rip. They wisely shut the economy down now. That way, its only a few months to get everything back to semi normal.

#195 Lorne on 04.10.20 at 8:05 pm

#109 NFN_NLN on 04.10.20 at 4:26 pm
Trudeau is on the 30th day of his 14th day self isolation.

The jokes write themselves. For all the people that voted for Trudeau I’d like your input. Are you proud of Trudeau’s leadership?
……..
Did not vote for Trudeau but think he is doing a good job. You may wish to ask yourself, if your preferred leader was in charge, and he was handling things in a similar manner, would you be satisfied?

#196 PastThePeak on 04.10.20 at 8:12 pm

Good post Garth – very well written and balanced. Not one comment from Sail Away so far…that has to count for something.

For those commenting on Sweden and its approach. Well, we shall see. Right now Sweden has, per capita, 2x the cases and 6x the deaths of Canada. Sweden as much higher rates of both than their closest neighbours. 2000 of their scientific community have penned a letter asking for increased measures for isolation. The next month will be telling.

On the concept of “herd immunity”, we hope this will work, but there isn’t enough data yet. This is a “novel” corona virus – it has been studied for less than 4 months (and really only 2 months in the West). So much not known.

There have been some worrying studies out of China and South Korea that re-infections can occur in some people, and the antibodies in others are low-to-none…meaning no immunity. Too early to know how widespread that will be.

Would have been a horrible decision to “let er rip” through the population, killing millions globally, only to discover that the herd immunity was much less than hoped for.

Fortunately, those advocating such an approach spend the majority of their time on blog comments, and have little influence in the real world…

#197 NUKA on 04.10.20 at 8:16 pm

Let’s go to the light! I was given notice that my gig/contract in IT project management was ending a few weeks ago. I was resigned to hoping on being eligible for a 75% Justin-based aage subsidy. To my surprise, recruiters hounded me. I found a perm position in one week. Will work from home with them until Its safe to go the office. There is a lot of opportunity out there!

#198 Ustabe on 04.10.20 at 8:16 pm

#167 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 6:59 pm

Relax, I read it on the Internet so it must be true.

Matter of fact my friend who happens to be the son of one of the founders of Alaska Air turned me onto the forum a few years ago…a forum set up for and used by professional pilots. I mostly use it because they talk of seat sales, etc well before even places like Travelzoo gets a hold of the info.

Another thing I learned on the same thread was it is quite difficult to fly an empty plane trans continental or trans ocean. They would prefer to have people or cargo on board. Weight at least.

Further quite a few of those planes you are concerned about are cargo planes full of goods that need to be delivers, like toilet paper. Not corona riddled people.

Sorry if my reading real pilots discussing real things upsets you and doesn’t fit your view of things. I’m not asking you to change your view, I’m just saying…

Maybe Billy Bob can chime in and correct either me or you?

#199 OK then ... I will say it ... on 04.10.20 at 8:17 pm

Thanx Garth … for this blog. And to Dorothy, for she sounds like 50% of this whole package. How much crap do you have to put up with (delete) to keep us in tune with reality? There is NO alternative to this blog … have a great Easter dawgs …

#200 down and out on 04.10.20 at 8:19 pm

T2 was voted in with a minority government and the opposition just disappeared in this crisis I am trying to read up where he gets to decree all these measures .I hate to think he was the best choice for PM but find the silence from the other so called party leaders is more frightening than T2. Canada deserves better

#201 Drinking on 04.10.20 at 8:27 pm

#180 Leo Trollstoy

If you voted for T2 then you get what you deserve; if not, then we are all in the same pot until we kick him out of office! If you are being facetious; just remember who worked there asses off to give you/all everything you have including your cell phone, satellites, hell, even indoor plumbing, Christ oh mighty; these young folks need to get over themselves; they are embarrassing to the human race! Take,take,take, complain, complain,complain, ok, young ones show us (by example) what the future is, it better be an example that us Gen-X and Boomers have done to provide you with all that you have. Go for it; we did what we could under what our society was like at the time; provided you with education, health care, numerous other social programs. Let’s say it all stopped today, what would you do to provide for society as we have it now?

I am not being an arsehole about it; I just want to hear what all the younger smartone’s out there can do to provide the life that we have now; minus communism! Was our situation perfect, hell no, we went through and are still going through the laws, lies, greed, high interest rates, numerous recessions, and yet your parents still found a way to raise you and for many pay for your advanced education.
There was nothing easy in my life; and now we all need to deal with spoiled brat politicians; do what as I say not what I do; corrupt CEO’s; whinny mills, hell with it. I am going to enjoy another glass of Scotch and a beer!

#202 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 8:27 pm

#157 BrianT on 04.10.20 at 6:27 pm

This whole thing reminds me of the Iraq war-for the younger readers the Iraq war was wildly popular originally (just like this shutdown/takedown)-probably similar to this-about an 80/20 split would be my guess. I was against it and just like on this one you catch a lot of abuse for any stance so unpopular. Then as time goes by and the whole scam/fiasco starts to become more clear that 80/20 split starts to change-once it gets to 50/50 all the conformist sheep that simply need to have the correct popular viewpoint on everything jump ship-and eventually just like with the Iraq war nobody is going to admit they were ever in favor of this action.

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Good analogy. I was in the States then and am a veteran of Desert Storm, and could see no logical reason to attack Iraq. The data did not support it: Iraq never ordered the 9/11 planes. So the war hawks fabricated WMDs.

And all these fools in the community stomping around beating the war drum. I couldn’t believe it. So many people either being deliberately obtuse, or just blindly accepting what they were told.

Very similar to now. Lots of fools stomping around and many getting a sad pleasure from beating the Social Distance Warrior drum.

#203 Fortvna on 04.10.20 at 8:38 pm

Garth, what do you think about government handouts coming with conditions designed to ensure a more sustainable, inclusive economy post-pandemic? It seems a squandered opportunity to do otherwise.

Why can’t we do like Denmark did and subsidize 75% of employee salaries until this nightmare is over on the condition that employers do not lay off terminate?

#204 Keyboard Smasher on 04.10.20 at 8:39 pm

@117 Stan Brooks
“Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk”

It’s almost certain now that the opposite is true. We’re seeing seroconversion, SARS-CoV-2 specific IgG neutralizing antibodies in human patients, immune challenge studies with rhesus macaques show these antibodies confer immunity, and the earliest tests suggest antibody titer peaks months after convalescence, which is in line with SARS-CoV-1 immunity. So we’d expect immunity to last for at a minimum a year, and likely several years similar to other betacoronaviruses.

The “reinfection” scare has been neutered quite a bit now that we realize the false negative rate of nucleic acid tests is close to 50%.

#205 PastThePeak on 04.10.20 at 8:41 pm

#190 Herb on 04.10.20 at 7:55 pm
Since March 16th, I have twice posted the views of an obscure pulmonologist, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, who may have been difficult to understand because he spoke German with English sub-titles.

There should be no difficulty understanding Prof. Knut Wittkowski on the same Covid-19 crisis. He has been working in epidemiology for 35 years, of which the last 20 were in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&feature=youtu.be

Now someone please tell me what’s going on.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Anyone that takes China’s official numbers as gospel doesn’t deserve any respect…

#206 Marmax on 04.10.20 at 8:41 pm

The R value in Sweeden is the same as the US. Sweeden is not enforcing a lockdown.
A nurse in Chicago said that the percentage of people testing positive with antibodies is 30 to 50 percent. R values decrease when you hit 30.

#207 CERB Confusion on 04.10.20 at 9:00 pm

#143 Jimers on 04.10.20 at 5:39 pm

Garth, thanks for the CERB info, MSM seemed to indicate I didn’t qualify, but after reading your post it seemed I did, logged on, read requirements, what do you know!
$2000 in my account the next day. ;)

———————————-

I’m trying to figure out if I qualify also. I have two business that bring in small incomes. My offline business is on hold because of COVID but the other biz is online and brings in around $1100-$1200 CAD a month (before expenses) of residual commission income. My offline business has no employees (home based also) so I don’t qualify for the business wage subsidy. I assume the residual income commissions from the online biz would disqualify me from CERB also. Anyone have any idea?

If so, trying to live on $1100 a month is going to be a joy. Looks like I might be one of those people who falls between the cracks …

#208 oh bouy on 04.10.20 at 9:10 pm

@#146 kc on 04.10.20 at 5:44 pm
122 Stone on 04.10.20 at 4:48 pm

More than your small brittle mind could imagine or begin to accept.

You have no clue how good you all have it here.

Do you need to come off some type of meds?

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

You have attacked me twice and ignored the substance of our discussion.

Please tell me what it was like living behind the iron curtain… and i will tell you how the poor live in Cario, Jakarta, etc…

By attacking me you debase your argument further.
_____________________________

stone isn’t the brightest poster.
adding an ‘er’ to the end of his handle would make a lot of sense considering what he says on here.

#209 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 9:13 pm

About 2 years ago I had a strange vision that I could not where to put. Now I may.

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It seemed we were living in the future.

All homes were built with a central PA system, that could not be turned off. (Kind of like the Emergency alerts now on our mobile phones, but with a smoothing jingle, instead of the horrible siren.)

Once the PA turned on, a voice made an announcement, that medicine is about to come.

Once the announcement was made, everybody stopped whatever we were doing. It could have been work, having dinner, didn’t matter, it was over.

All homes were built not only with a PA system, but also with a medicine dispensing machine. I would lie down in time, before sending the medicine was scheduled. The dispensing machine was turned on and we all started to receive the medicine.

Sometimes it felt like nothing, sometimes it made me very weak. During these times a voice from the PA was encouraging us to relax, surrender ourselves, not to resist the medicine. The voice ensured us that the medicine is a great gift for us, to keep us healthy.

Then the PA sounded small jingle that signaled the completion of the sending us the medicine.

We just stood up and continue our work or dinner, whatever we left off, before the announcement started.

Medicine was about to come random times, day or night. Sometimes several times a day. We were not even annoyed by it, it was just part of the daily life, like anything else that you have to do in your life.

We felt taken care of, almost loved, for the medicine that was given to us by the authorities. We were not really afraid of any illness, but it was a smoothing feeling that we were safe, in good hands.

One day, while receiving the medicine, I discovered a strange, uncomfortable feeling. I thought that for some reason I was resisting the medicine, so I tried to relax and listen to the voice in the PA, that urged me to do just that. The voice in the PA wasn’t particularly demanding, you felt the voice was coming from a good place, like when your parent or grandparent asks you to do something kindly, to do something that is good for you, even if doing it is annoying.

I tried to relax, but the weird, new feeling didn’t go away. I was thanking my good fortune in my head, so that I had a chance to receive the gift of the medicine from the authorities. But then my uncomfortably feeling become a thought in my head. It was even more uncomfortable than the feeling. My thought was telling me, that the gift of this medicine is just a way to rule me. It was a sugarcoated, kind violence to control. Not me specifically, but everyone else.

Then the PA sounded small jingle that signaled the completion of the sending us the medicine.

I returned to continue my work, to eat, to sleep. I forgot about the weird feeling and the even more weird thought.

Then when the next medicine arrived, I started to feel it again. The thinking came too. They were all the same. I was fighting them, tried to bury them. But they were sticky. Later I started to have them during the day, while not receiving the medicine.

When the medicine arrived, the voice in the PA around the edges of smoothing and caring started to sound fake. I could not explain how, and why, it had to be the same, yet I could not deny that it sounded different, in a upsetting way.

This bad feeling, bad idea just got stronger over the time. I started to feel worse and worse during receiving the medicine, later I found myself wishing if I could no longer get any of it. I was dreading the moment when the jingle and the voice in the PA started up.

When the medicine started to flow, this time I became really weak. I felt that I was going to get sick. I started to feel what the medicine was supposed to prevent me to ever go through. The bad thinking of the bad idea got really strong in my head.

I couldn’t stand it anymore, I somehow stood up and started to crawl away from the medicine dispenser station. The voice in the PA became stern, demanding that I would return and stop resisting the receiving.

I ignored it and crawled towards the door of my home, I just wanted to leave. I was so weak, that I could hardly stand up to open the door.

When I finally managed to, 2 policemen or soldiers were standing there. Waiting for me.

#210 BrianT on 04.10.20 at 9:25 pm

The MSM and guv have sold this story that once the all mighty Gates vaccine arrives this virus will be finished-a thing of the past like leprosy or some other disease of the past. Maybe but probably NO-is the flu a thing of the past? No-It kills as many as 60000 a year in the USA-and obviously flu vaccines exist and are widely used. More than likely this virus will come around yearly and this cratering of the economic wealth of the non government sector is just going to add a huge economic burden to the added health care burden. I am not saying this is a certainty but any logical adult should be able to see this is a very possible outcome-and it makes shutting everything down much longer totally destructive.

#211 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 9:36 pm

#196 PastThePeak on 04.10.20 at 8:12 pm

Good post Garth – very well written and balanced. Not one comment from Sail Away so far…

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Good to know you miss me, PP. My apologies for the late response. Busy, busy, you know… out enjoying the sun today.

#212 OwlEyes on 04.10.20 at 9:37 pm

“Why here?” Likely because you’re widely-perceived as a contrarian. All you have been saying over the years is “don’t put your eggs in one basket” which is pretty middle-of-the-road as things go. Good, common-sense advice. But you do it in a certain rugged style that gives the impression of being a rebel. So that’s probably why.

#213 oh bouy on 04.10.20 at 9:48 pm

@#109 NFN_NLN on 04.10.20 at 4:26 pm
Trudeau is on the 30th day of his 14th day self isolation.

The jokes write themselves. For all the people that voted for Trudeau I’d like your input. Are you proud of Trudeau’s leadership?
____________________________

meh, all things considered i think he’s doing alright.
as do most folks outside of this comments section.

#214 A J on 04.10.20 at 9:57 pm

#205 Sail Away

With all due respect, how is that a good analogy? What does declaring war and killing people have to do with trying to save people during a pandemic? One was looked at after the fact as a mistake because it accomplished nothing and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. Another, is trying to save people. These war analogies make no sense. Wars try to kill people. These measures try to save people. So yeah, killing people is always regretful after the fact. But how are we going to feel this is a mistake, when people are saved?

#215 A J on 04.10.20 at 10:04 pm

#176 Ironic on 04.10.20 at 7:25 pm
Big US hospitals are laying off staff. Nothing for them to do.
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Fake news.
Source?

#216 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 10:09 pm

#212 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 9:13 pm

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Akshy, just once, I’d love to see a premonitory dream with some future tech in it that actually becomes reality.

Instead, they (the premonitory dreams) are so absolutely rooted in the dreamer’s time period: Pharaoh: cows; Dead Sea Scrolls: spears, trumpets and arrows; Bible revelations: more spears and trumpets… some horsemen.

The teller clearly believes they have been specially touched by divinity, but much like my nutty uncle Arvy, it’s clear to others that the person has indeed been touched, but not necessarily by divinity.

#217 Spectacle on 04.10.20 at 10:14 pm

#190 Herb on 04.10.20 at 7:55 pm
Since March 16th, I have twice posted the views of an obscure pulmonologist, Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg,……..

[ &. ] …”..”Prof. Knut Wittkowski on the same Covid-19 crisis. He has been working in epidemiology for 35 years, of which the last 20 were in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg&feature=youtu.be

Now someone please tell me what’s going on.
———— well, since You asked ——-

There are Government Handlers that are not going to let a Good tragedy go to waste. So…

The Trudeau party tried several times to install their own version of a sole Dictatorship in Canada. Search it yourself ( my 4 year old jumped on my iPad, difficult ot search,past citation now) .

For example::
1) search out Trudeau dictatorship, trudeau attempt to gain total control, trudeau thwarted March 2020 etc.
.2) be prepared to be truly shocked by details you find.

The Honourable Sir Turner has even recently discussed this exact event. I respect him for choosing not going into it at depth, for obvious reasons.

Also, search out Agenda 40, which will further explain what is really going on. Stay away from the militia/nazi/ prepper stuff.

For fun, search out who Greta Thunbergs parents and. Handlers are. You will find a stunning peek behind the curtain.

Oh, and Happy Easter locked in our fu{*~£’mf ing homes.

#218 MR on 04.10.20 at 10:39 pm

Love the blog Garth! There was also a time (before this nasty little bug made an appearance) that I actually enjoyed reading this comments section.  Before the boomer remover swept across the Pacific many of the comments were smart and informative.  Unfortunately the virus that has affected the lung function of some has affected the brain function many.  The serial commenters seem to be disproportionately affected.

I have spent the last 5 years living and working in China.  I haven’t learned much, but I have learned that the China government cares only about wealth and power (not necessarily in that order).    Anyone who thinks that China has had only 80K cases and 3K deaths is living in a dream world.  The fact that they idled their economy is the most telling fact.  I’m sure that as many of you read that last sentence you immediately thought something to the effect of “They overreacted!”.  If this was the case they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing now.  They may have begun restarting their economy but things are not back to normal.  As of today, a “normal” day in China (in a city 1500 miles away from Wuhan) involves proving your green health status multiple times and submitting to at least 4 or 5 temperature checks.  A comment today stated that Canada has 275k deaths per year.  China has 10 million deaths per year.  Do you think that they shut down their economy because they were worried about 3k or 30k or even 300k extra deaths?

I agree that the economy is in big trouble (it has been in a precarious position for a long time).  This thing is no joke.  Not many on their deathbed’s wish they had made more money.  Enjoy the extra time with your families. 

#219 Sydneysider on 04.10.20 at 10:42 pm

#197 conan

Take a look at Theresa Tam’s study of the 1951 flu epidemic.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294686/

The weekly death toll can be high in a pandemic, but it doesn’t last for more than 1-2 months.

What has to be questioned is the assumption that there exists any policy that will reduce the death toll to a degree that is justified in terms of cost. A baseline here might be the 20,000+ deaths from respiratory disease each year.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401

#220 Questions, Musings and Ramblings on 04.10.20 at 10:48 pm

<blockquote National COVID-19 Volunteer Recruitment Campaign – We need you!
The Government of Canada is working with provincial and territorial governments to respond to COVID-19.
We are building an inventory of volunteers from which provincial/territorial governments can draw as needed.
Please visit our recruitment page to submit your name to join us in Canada’s response to COVID-19.

Why volunteers and not paid? There are a few on government payroll that were sent home. Can they be used instead? And inventory is already built – Phoenix or something

#221 Questions, Musings and Ramblings on 04.10.20 at 10:59 pm

T2 was voted in with a minority government and the opposition just disappeared in this crisis.I hate to think he was the best choice for PM but find the silence from the other so called party leaders is more frightening than T2.

Nice try to deflect from T2s shortcomings by calling the ‘so called party leaders silence more frightening’.
They don’t have a voice because the House of Commons was suspended and the media has zero intentions of listening/interviewing them. Something about 600 million dollars people keep mentioning.

#222 Long-Time Lurker on 04.10.20 at 10:59 pm

>Completely shutting down the economy for months isn’t viable. A case in point:

Six THOUSAND families line up in their cars for hours at a food bank in San Antonio as millions across the country turn to charity organizations to keep from going hungry during coronavirus lockdown

-The San Antonio Food Bank distributed one million pounds of food to roughly 6,000 families on Thursday

-Aerial photos show thousands of cars lined up at Trader’s Village for the massive food distribution event

-Each family left with enough food to fill two grocery carts, intended to last them the rest of the month

-‘The need is that great,’ San Antonio Food Bank President and CEO Eric Cooper said of the huge turnout

-‘We are moving through food so fast, this is our second big distribution this week, but there are hundreds of distributions that are going on all the time,’ Cooper added

By MEGAN SHEETS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 01:02 EDT, 10 April 2020 | UPDATED: 12:01 EDT, 10 April 2020

The San Antonio Food Bank distributed one million pounds of food to roughly 6,000 families in a single day as millions across the country turn to charity organizations to avoid going hungry amid coronavirus lockdowns.

Stunning aerial photos show thousands of cars lined up at Trader’s Village in San Antonio, Texas, during the massive food distribution event on Thursday.

Families in need waited hours to get their hands on fresh fruit, vegetables and other non-perishable goods that have become hard to find in traditional stores as panic-buying leaves shelves empty.

The sight of long rows of cars waiting outside food banks has become more frequent since the pandemic has made its impact on the United States, with similar scenes seen in Florida and Pennsylvania in the last two weeks….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207245/Six-THOUSAND-families-line-cars-hours-food-bank-San-Antonio.html

#223 Stupid-19 on 04.10.20 at 11:03 pm

It turns out there is an even more viral virus going around:

https://www.brighteon.com/48225374-32e7-4fb9-a0a5-39f65d4ef006

To be clear, the regular flu kills more people per year than covid has so far. But covid is already killing more people per day, and it has only been with us for a few months. Covid is now the #1 cause of death per day in the US. It is on track to easily outpace the common flu by the end of the year.

This thing in serious folks. Don’t be stupid. Don’t catch stupid-19.

#224 not 1st on 04.10.20 at 11:07 pm

More than a million Canadians believe they are on verge of bankruptcy, new poll suggests

https://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/debt/more-than-a-million-canadians-believe-they-are-on-verge-of-bankruptcy-new-poll-suggests?video_autoplay=true

#225 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 11:08 pm

#201 Ustabe

Got you. I appreciate the feedback. Forgive if I sound condescending and righteous. It’s not my intent.

Bottom line, planes are flying, capacity is there and even if passengers are few, they are flying. Which is ridiculous.

And if we’re flying planes and burning crazy fuel in the stratosphere, polluting for landing rights? This is the best solution that exists? This seems like a giant administrative failure if it is true. Humanity truly is disgusting, wasteful and pathetically incompetent.

Makes me angry to be honest.

Makes me feel like there is a good level of “you deserve this” in what’s happening.

Either way – I call bull$#!+ on all these planes in the air Ustabe.

#226 dlt inc on 04.10.20 at 11:12 pm

So Garth, I think you just might be the guy who can explain to me exactly why this $180 billion deficit the government is creating is such a big deal. I know it has to be more complicated than this but lets say Trudeau directs government printing presses print out enough $100 bills to give everyone who has lost their job $2000 a month.
This money simply replaces the money that they would otherwise spend if they still had a job. There need not be any middleman involvement and because the government just created this money out of thin air, there is no need to charge anyone any interest. There is absolutely no need for banks to get involved. Is it because Canada, like every other country is not allowed to do this because the financial elite have seen to it that the greedy little bankers of the world insist on being involved and getting their cut on any such transactions? Please explain to me exactly why something that seems so simple and straight forward can’t work. It’s not like inflation would be unleashed because there wouldn’t be any more money floating around and as far as the $180 Billion adding to our government’s interest expense, it wouldn’t add a dime.

With respect to the covid19 virus, I was informed that 2 people went to a hospital’s emergency ward because of matters unrelated to the virus. They were, none the less tested for the covid virus and tested positive even though they had no symptoms. I know I’m going out on a limb but what I suspect is one reason health authorities are not insisting on testing a lot more people is that they know that a lot more of us than is generally believed are already infected with the covid 19 virus. That is why there are so many people in nursing homes coming down with it. As a group, their natural defenses are much lower than the general population. The virus is already everywhere but most people’s bodies fight it off. So, all this insistence on keeping our distance is irrelevant for the vast majority of us. If this is true, then the projected future death count is completely incorrect because most of those who are going to get very sick and possibly die have probably already got it or soon will. Maybe this is why there has not been a surge in cases in Vancouver’s East End. Those people, living as they do in less than ideal sanitary surroundings have probably built up immunities to all sorts of viruses.
So maybe self isolating is good in that it might slow the rate of admissions to the health system so it won’t be overwhelmed, but it won’t lessen much the total number of people who are ever going to get sick or die
So, the East Enders are not self isolating and don’t seem to be any the worse for it.
Of course, I’m not saying that we should have just done nothing because hand washing and keeping our distance will still save some people from ever being infected. This relatively small number is still meaningful to those affected and their loved ones and so must not be dismissed. The point Im making is that we shouldn’t get carried away thinking this crisis is going to doom us all. Waiting around, jobless until a vaccine is developed to save us, would be a huge mistake. We should open up soon and while remaining cautious, see how things go.
I’m probably out to lunch on all this but that’s how I’m beginning to see things.

#227 OK, Doomer on 04.10.20 at 11:42 pm

I love watching all of theHollywood types line up to trash Trump and his actions on COVID, then in the same breath support China’s talking points.

Good to see that they can all follow a script. They need to demonstrate their loyalty to the Party so they can get land the next role.

And by the Democratic Party which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Communist Party of China.

#228 Stoph on 04.10.20 at 11:55 pm

Great post Garth!

Your post stated the truth behind Trump’s rather callous quote that we can’t let the cure be worse than the disease in a balanced way that captures the humanity of the situation.

#229 ww1 on 04.10.20 at 11:57 pm

A really great, very common sense video about dealing with Covid19.

Short Version : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwx3JMRTz8U&feature=youtu.be

Long version : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitWZj9QhdQ&feature=youtu.be

The long version is worth the extra time.

#230 Not So New guy on 04.11.20 at 12:07 am

If anyone hasn’t figured it out yet, Trudeau is seriously passive-aggressive

I think growing up and hearing people slag his dad a lot may have done it. Now we are paying the price

#231 Dr V on 04.11.20 at 12:13 am

195 People – so you’ve been to the moon and verified?

#232 kc on 04.11.20 at 12:19 am

#211 oh bouy on 04.10.20 at 9:10 pm

Cheers, we all must give someone the opportunity to show intelligence, even lesser wattage light bulbs are useful in low lighted areas.

#233 PVS on 04.11.20 at 12:32 am

#158- “Is it just me or are we being totally scammed. Teachers making almost 100k a year all of a sudden get to stay home and still collect full pay. Aside the token maybe five hours a week online which still has to be proven they collect all pay. Why do we allow this to happen? Is school going to be made up in the summer doubtful. Your friends and neighbours are on the EI line and gold plated teachers reap benefits the butcher the baker and candlestick maker only dream of. Total injustice.”

What do you suggest is fair pay for a teacher with 80+ students who is now running their course programs from home with no punch clock to close the day? A teacher who is now being asked to create and manage a new work environment for students who are stressed yet mostly eager to learn but need structure, support, resources and technology to manage their own learning
in an unprecedented global climate.

Signed,
Gold plated teacher.

#234 Irish Stew on 04.11.20 at 12:38 am

In short, the economy needs to open.
Money isn’t everything, but the economy is valuable to advancement of all people.

The flip side…..the death rate is very low among our population…..but if it is someone you love who passes – the low % is still devastating…..

There is something in the genetic code why some are altered by this and others are not. I worked in this field for a few years…..more info to come….stay safe.

#235 Ryan on 04.11.20 at 12:40 am

Garth for PM!

#236 Jon B on 04.11.20 at 12:44 am

When the dust settles, Sweden will likely prove that their method in dealing with the outbreak was better than what most nations did. Trump isn’t going to allow the world’s most important economy to lay dormant much longer. The liberals will surely be licking their chops at the thought of how much bigger government is going to get in this country.

#237 kc on 04.11.20 at 1:02 am

I haven’t heard or seen anything of this yet. I have been saying that the world credit market has imploded and the virus is the smoke screen to cover the real problems.

If our banks are as well funded as they think they are, then why the bail outs? Why 1/4 after 1/4 huge profits?

Canada Has Put Housing Markets On Life Support. Here’s What’s Happening.

It’s clear the people in charge see Canadian real estate as being too big to fail.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/housing-canada-covid-crisis_ca_5e8b3e02c5b6cbaf282cf63f?ncid=other_huffpostre_pqylmel2bk8&utm_campaign=related_articles

#238 Where's My Money Covid? on 04.11.20 at 1:03 am

Out for my bike ride this afternoon and I see the covid testing arena and tents are empty. Looks to me that the screeners are working bankers hours, 9-5 M-F, except holidays. So I guess they’ll be comiong back to work on Tuesday. I’ll ride by on these next four days to see what days, if any, they’re open.
I didn’t know covid took time off for Easter. Or are these screeners on call at double-time pay?
Only the gov’t can answer that.

#239 YouKnowWho on 04.11.20 at 1:06 am

Quebec confirms at least until Aug 31st for this crap to continue.

Here we go.

#240 Lambchop on 04.11.20 at 1:17 am

#160 Ustabe on 04.10.20 at 6:38 pm
#132 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:15 pm

By the way Garth, no sale.

Airports aren’t closed. The very BEST spreader of this Covid-19 is operational.

Look at all this air traffic day in and day out.

https://www.flightradar24.com/38.72,-78.78/4

Please stop saying it is closed. It isn’t. Many flights are coming into and out of major cities and this exponentially increases the claimed danger.

Airline operate their routes and landing rights on a use it or lose it basis.

Of course it is more complicated than that but they are flying mostly empty aircraft on routes they wish to maintain and into airports they wish to hold onto landing rights.
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Just talked to my neighbour about this the other day. He is a mechanic for Air Canada and he said that this rule has been suspended for this crisis and they are using runways at YVR to park planes, slowly running out of room. Said the airport looks like it did during 9/11

#241 Not So New guy on 04.11.20 at 1:20 am

#144 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 5:41 pm

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Funny you should mention that. I was just thinking about that the other day. In the movie, the death angel moved through Egypt and killed the firstborn. It broke Pharoah’s heart, ended up destroying the Egyptian economy and the Hebrews were liberated from slavery.

In our scenario, the death angel is moving through our world and killing the oldest (the ‘firstborn’). It has changed the hearts of many leaders and is on the verge of destroying our economy.

Maybe it is time for our Pharoah to let the debt slaves go

#242 Comrade on 04.11.20 at 1:22 am

I hope that this post initiates some further discussion. No civil unrest, no disobedience, just some tough questions that are ought to be asked to our politicians. I feel lots of people think this way and don’t voice it in fear of social backlash, and potential implications on their future.

Admittedly, I’m the one who always thinks that there is some greater conspiracy going on. But I’m afraid its actually worse than this, and is driven by total incompetence and lack of crises management skills at the top.

For T2 to come out and say that this is new normal till vaccine is found is ludicrous. How? And how we could trust them that they have foresight to see long term implications of these measures, such as social, economic, and health, when they couldn’t get ready for virus that was right in front of them, and went into full panic reaction mode. Which probably was for the best given the circumstances, but now we have more data and understanding of the virus and which groups it affects. So there are mitigations that could be used. I.e. most of outbreaks here in bc are in old folks homes, that could have been prevented by imposing strickter protocols at the facilities. Kids seem unefcected could we restore schools and daycares? Or we were supposed to homeschool until vaccine is found? Broader anti body testong to understand what percentage of population already had it.

#243 Comrade on 04.11.20 at 1:25 am

Hi Garth, could you comment if CREB 2k cheques are taxable benefit? I believe they are and lots of people may be up for surprise in april 2021.

#244 G on 04.11.20 at 1:49 am

What to TEACH YOUNG PEOPLE for sharper minds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PPdAUhYhw

And maybe oneself while we’re stuck at home. Hopefully for not to much longer!

#245 Statsfreak on 04.11.20 at 1:58 am

Great post, as always Garth.
Me thinks though that perhaps it really is time to shut tne comments section down. Times are stressful enough right now and you and Dorothy do not need a daily dose of the upsetting, nasty drivel that spews out of tne sicker individuals that show up here. Be kind to yourselves and just pull the plug. You deserve so much better than the filth you have to vet. You will sleep so much better!!!!

#246 willworkforpickles on 04.11.20 at 1:59 am

Nutcases to the extreme right want to take action and nutcases to the extreme left want to take action. What’s left are just a few regular people in the middle (aside from the indifferent masses) who can see democracy trampled and undermined by intrusive government unabated and unopposed by the masses indifferent to the changes.
That’s all fine while the pandemic is still amongst us, but where does government intrusion into our lives go from here after the pandemic dies out. Does it recede with the virus or do our freedoms erode further with more government intervention on a people widely perceived to be apathetic who stand up for nothing and just take it as it comes. Those in the middle who do bother to take notice and stay on top of things are like a voice in the wilderness unheard. The extremists take to the streets.

#247 Buford Wilson on 04.11.20 at 3:00 am

I’m stuck in Sakhalin Russia.

Starting to think it may be better to say here for now.

#248 Shannon Gad on 04.11.20 at 3:28 am

#209 Marmax. Swedens death tolls are piling up. Doing nothing is not a strategy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

The Liberal Swede death curve is a sickening exponential hockey stick. So disgusting, so pathetic. Like Canada, Switzerland , Italy, France and Spain, cooperating with the corrupt WHO has caused many thousands to die.

Switzerland, away from the MSM, host country to WHO a killing field due to WHO corruption.

I am ‘Shavur Lev’ for all families whose loved ones were stolen by the globalist carpet baggers.

Shalom.

#249 majik on 04.11.20 at 3:57 am

Closing the schools was the most counterproductive blunder the government could have made. Without the little ones spreading it amongst themselves we are unlikely to reach a level of herd immunity that will protect our elderly population in the future. Social distancing delays herd immunity and gaurantees that we will have a second wave in the autumn.

The ideal approach would have been to protect and isolate the elderly and vulnerable for four weeks. During the four weeks the virus works its way through the healthy population as they develop immunity. Four weeks later the virus has nowhere to go. Boris tried this and was castigated by the electorate, in the end staying in power was more important to him. I’ve now come to see he was actually given the best advice to begin with.

#250 Sky on 04.11.20 at 4:15 am

You’re writing about the most economically devastating subject of our lifetime. Overwhelming so. It’s difficult to focus one’s mind during this disaster with all its moving parts. A very difficult job. So,on your column today – Well done, Garth ! I suspect it cost you.

I’d also like to thank you for allowing us latitude in the comments section in discussing this virus. But the virus and the economy are now locked in an intergalactic wrestling match, winner yet to be determined. Or as Yeats put it:“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold”.

Once again, thanks, Garth.

Peace, joy,and may the bunny be good to you and yours.

Sky

Now the regular programming will resume- ranting :-)

#251 Sky on 04.11.20 at 4:51 am

@Keyboard Smasher # 207

Great informative post. It’s been almost 20 years since the SARS-CoV outbreak and still no vaccine. It’s difficult to get much information because SARS-CoV-2(COVID-19) is sucking all the oxygen out of the search engines. But I did find this from 2012 :

“These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”

I got a migraine plowing through this article. The clinical trials weren’t of much use to me since I’m not a research virologist. But the “Discussion” section outlining the cytokine storms was damning. Your thoughts?

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

#252 belly rubs on 04.11.20 at 5:16 am

As an aside, and oddly on Good Friday, a strange experience happened to this non-religious person. I was working on our farm, clearing in the back 40. I finished my afternoon shift and had time to investigate a grove of walnuts I’d never gotten into before. It was spooky, like a secret garden, and all the trees were covered with moss. Under the canopy, the space was very secluded and I found evidence where coyotes and bears had pilfered garbage. It was a cool break from cutting swaths of bramble and thicket, though I am leaving large patches for the birds to shelter. Suddenly, I got a phone call from my wife back at the house. Apparently, a baby squirrel had escaped his momma’s watch, climbed up the roof, up the chimney, and tumbled down into a chamber under the house. I suggested she turn off the furnace and headed back.

When I got there, my wife and son were on the roof at the chimney, peering down a 30cm square opening at a grey fur ball curled up at the bottom. The vent from the furnace entered about 4 meters higher. The little bugger had entombed himself. We lowered a rope, but he got scared and tried to hide and scratch his way out. It appeared he was not drastically injured. I crawled under the old house, built in the 40s, and found the base of the chimney, but no access was available. To punch a hole might bring down the whole brick structure.

Then we lowered a peanut butter coated pail, then a satchel with sunflower seeds. No positive response, and night was falling, so we left the satchel, and lowered a towel made up like a hammock for warmth. We left all the ropes tied off and trailing down the chimney in case he might be able to climb out. We rationalized turning off the pilot light because the C02 might sink into the chamber and suffocate the poor thing. We resolved to try a fish net idea tommorrow.

That’s when my wife insisted there has to be a trap door, even though I couldn’t find one under the house. The furnace is bolted to the floor next to the kitchen with no room around the sides to see, so we borrowed her compact mirror and could make out a low opening in the wall behind the furnace, with only inches to spare. We measured distance and the height from the floor, and using my trusty pocket knife, cut a hole in the middle of the kitchen wall behind the dining table. Reaching in, there was an iron door! We could use the mirror to peer around the opening and see our makeshift hammock and ropes.

My son was elected to reach in and grab the little furball. Entombed, then resurrected, one baby squirrel. Time he fell in was 5:30pm, and extracted at 11:00pm. He has lots of energy and we’ll reunite him with the momma squirrel at daybreak.

Blog stuff… When is this virus ordeal over? 20 days or so after the last person is deemed recovered, surface contamination will pass. And 20 days after that, asymptomatic carriers will have passed most projected incubation and infection periods. This may occur concurrently, but to be safe… 4O days after the last recovered patient we may get a tentative all clear. Virus infections are localized, so each jurisdiction will have to decide based on caseload. Travellers from hotspots are the wildcard. People will probably volunteer for antibody testing to get perspective on community containment.

I’ve contended that April 15th will be the tell. Either we plank the charts and the ratio of recoveries to new infections looks better, or we lose containment. Looks like some jurisdictions will do okay, others not as well. Probably in mid-May, after three more incubation periods, communities will assess and some local businesses will get the nod to re-open.

I have also contended markets, which appear to be in denial, will not hold into May, and I expect downward movement into summer when the influence of the US president to affect markets will be tested. I feel Canada will have an easier time coordinating a restart based on cultural factors.

#253 Sky on 04.11.20 at 5:35 am

Regarding the plan going forward :

We the people are playing a game of follow the political leader – like we’ve ever had a choice. And the political leaders are playing a game of follow the doctors. But these guys DID have a choice.

The man leading the pack in the USA is Dr. Fauci (although Dr. Bill Gates is sticking his nose in ever more frequently).

Yesterday Dr. Fauci expressed his optimism in a soon to come vaccine. But then he went on to say there have been no mutations in this virus. There’s just one problem. Fauci lied.

His claim of no mutations is in absolute contradiction of what the researchers at Cambridge University found.

“Researchers have found three distinct strains of COVID-19, with two of them popping up in Australia including one closest to the “root of the outbreak”.

(hit the hyperlink in the article for the research)

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-three-different-strains-of-virus-identified-by-cambridge-university-researchers/news-story/e6fbac027ba79eecb95e83aa1df80517

One of the problems with developing any type of coronavirus vaccine is mutation. So why did Fauci lie?

When the political class hides behind and cedes their power to the likes of Dr. Fauci, this is a very dangerous situation. And thus far we have only been given a small taste of what medical tyranny looks like.

If this is the appetizer then I’m going to have to skip the main course and head straight to the dessert bar.

#254 BillyBob on 04.11.20 at 6:49 am

#201 Ustabe on 04.10.20 at 8:16 pm
#167 YouKnowWho on 04.10.20 at 6:59 pm

Relax, I read it on the Internet so it must be true.

Matter of fact my friend who happens to be the son of one of the founders of Alaska Air turned me onto the forum a few years ago…a forum set up for and used by professional pilots. I mostly use it because they talk of seat sales, etc well before even places like Travelzoo gets a hold of the info.

Another thing I learned on the same thread was it is quite difficult to fly an empty plane trans continental or trans ocean. They would prefer to have people or cargo on board. Weight at least.

Further quite a few of those planes you are concerned about are cargo planes full of goods that need to be delivers, like toilet paper. Not corona riddled people.

Sorry if my reading real pilots discussing real things upsets you and doesn’t fit your view of things. I’m not asking you to change your view, I’m just saying…

Maybe Billy Bob can chime in and correct either me or you?

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Careful what you wish for! ;-) Ustabe, most of what you say is correct. But YouKnowWho doesn’t HaveAClue.

The airport slot rights issue was resolved a month ago. Airlines WERE flying some money-losing flights to retain their slots, but the EC suspended the rules in acknowledgement of the unusual circumstances. There’s that big bad European Union that the UK worked so hard to shed the yoke of, being sensible.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/ec-suspend-slot-rules-coronavirus/

And you are correct, it can be problematic to fly a completely empty airplane due to weight and balance restrictions. On some flights, ballast weight has to be added to keep the aircraft within the required limits for takeoff and landing. (I flew the Boeing B777 for ten years both cargo and passenger variants).

But as to the number of flights shown on an enthusiast tracking site as linked by YouKnowWho, it’s a perfect example of a layperson obtaining a little bit of knowledge but then lacking the context to properly understand it. Much like the sudden increase in expert epidemiologists.

A great number of those flights will be transporting cargo. I don’t think the average person even realizes just how much of the world’s cargo travels in the belly of passenger planes. It’s far more lucrative per pound than passenger revenue. With the nearly complete grounding of the world’s passenger fleets there’s been a massive reduction of capacity that can’t nearly be made up with dedicated cargo aircraft. So, rates to transport cargo have increased. And multiple airlines are using passenger aircraft solely to move cargo, even in the passenger cabin, using cargo nets as restraints.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/airlines-fill-passenger-seats-with-cargo-to-meet-demand/

As far as the passenger flights, there are still basic necessary flights between major connection points. There is still a need to move vital personnel between countries and there always will be. And in our mobile world there are many citizens of country A living in country B who may be repatriating at any given time. For example I am a legal resident of the UK. I cannot at this time travel to see my partner in Europe, as they’ve closed their borders to non-EU citizens. But if my elderly parents in Canada were to contract the virus and become ill, you better believe I’d be on one of the few remaining flights to Canada and thankful for it. Who are you to say that Canadian citizens should not be allowed to travel to their own country?

I can assure you those flights still operating are taking maximum precautions. The pax loads are so low that distancing onboard is no issue, and everyone will be masked. Screened at arrival and departure, and quarantined 14 days upon arrival. Flight crews are issued with PPE and given training in procedures to minimize contact with passengers. It is not pleasure flying you’re seeing.

The statement “Many flights are coming into and out of major cities and this exponentially increases the claimed danger” is incorrect and foolish in the extreme. That perhaps was true in the beginning of the pandemic but that ship sailed long ago. The genie is out of the bottle.

So is the idea that it is “greed” that is keeping the flights operating. More like desperate survival to preserve a small fraction of cash flow in an industry with razor-thin margins. Many are operating at the behest or order of government to maintain minimum service.

And railing against flights which are bringing vital cargo, everything from PPE to pharmaceuticals to fresh food, medical equipment and parts to keep everything people need to keep society running – now that’s a bit stupid, isn’t it? Rant all you want at globalization, but it doesn’t change the reality that if you don’t want to die, you’ll need what those planes bring. Or perhaps you’d prefer to wait several weeks and have those masks and gloves and face shields arrive on a cargo ship?

If anything you should be grateful to the crews who keep flying at risk to themselves, much like the folks who go to work every day at supermarkets, to collect our trash.

#255 bruce on 04.11.20 at 6:56 am

As always enjoy Garth’s post. Question need to be asked. Have a brother who is a doctor and another who is in the government health field. Know what? Emergency rooms have never been quieter. Only the truly sick are showing up and not all the people with a mild cold etc. plugging up the system. In both their cases they say that through technology their meetings and directives are faster than ever. Things well never be the same after this because things are getting done way quicker now. Tend to believe that if government workers were losing jobs like the private sector than the idea of a nation shutdown would not be spoken of to easily. In Nova Scotia the news keeps screaming about 400 or so folks having Covid. How about the 11000 plus who tested negative. The economy is being killed. Everyone needs to calm down and think. This shutdown can not last the way it is. People’s lives are being killed economically instead of by a virus that most people well never get.

#256 Tom Mott on 04.11.20 at 6:58 am

Why here? Garth you are being disingenuous, I come here for your financial views and that is all thanks. You willfully bait and dog whistle yellow vest types with attempts to ridicule environmentalists and label indigenous folks terrorists for defending their homes and their rights and just after chumming the these waters claim to be taken aback. It should surprise none that your language and ideas attract low information low context thinkers like the NRA from south of the medicine line.

The railway blockaders are terrorists. There. Suck it up. – Garth

#257 Wait There on 04.11.20 at 7:24 am

It should be known that the idea of being charitable within China is considered to be weak of mind. It’s every person for themself. It’s considered self evident. Every action weighs on the benefit….how am I going to profit from this action.

Western thinking is very gullible when dealing with this ideology.

Now why did Communist China not only allow but demand that travelers be allowed to travel internationally out of China at the same time but stopped travel within China? Now look at what they are now doing Mandatory Regulated Quarantine for incoming travelers….AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE IN A HOTEL. What did Canada do? Voluntary self quarantine at society’s expense. How did that work out?

Because of China 2025. They knew their economy was going to be severely impacted by this. This would set back their targets of meeting the 2025 goal. Only by forcing the same onto the rest of the world, then the rest of the world would also suffer the same setback. That way China does not lose ground.

Don’t be foolish folks. It’s the way they work and think.
NEVER TRUST COMMUNISTS…. at play over and over. This is a classic ART OF WAR move.

Again the way forward? Look at the Taiwan Playbook.

#258 Moose Loose on 04.11.20 at 7:38 am

I think #243youknownotmuch is false because here is the news conference where Quebec says maybe open the schools May 4:
https://youtu.be/KQGSC4XddEU?t=2752

#243 YouKnowWho on 04.11.20 at 1:06 am

Quebec confirms at least until Aug 31st for this crap to continue.

Here we go.

#259 Steven Rowlandson on 04.11.20 at 7:54 am

Government and their globalist masters created the problems, they like the problems and it is all their fault!
They won’t fix the problems because they don’t want to, don’t know how and above all they don’t see the need to stop what they consider to be a good idea.
They want a lower population consisting of predictable mixed race slaves who have no choice but to serve the elites…..European humanity is unpredictable and can’t be effectively governed; some of them might rebel therefore they got to go preferably without rebellion. This was the lesson of WW2 for the elites.
Count Kelergi would be proud of the direction things are going these days.

Maybe it was all the hedonist March breakers traveling the world, then scurrying home with C19 cooties. Are they globalists? – Garth

#260 akashic record on 04.11.20 at 7:54 am

#220 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 10:09 pm

#212 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 9:13 pm

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Akshy, just once, I’d love to see a premonitory dream with some future tech in it that actually becomes reality.

Instead, they (the premonitory dreams) are so absolutely rooted in the dreamer’s time period: Pharaoh: cows; Dead Sea Scrolls: spears, trumpets and arrows; Bible revelations: more spears and trumpets… some horsemen.

The teller clearly believes they have been specially touched by divinity, but much like my nutty uncle Arvy, it’s clear to others that the person has indeed been touched, but not necessarily by divinity.

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You are right, I should have taken a much closer look at the medicine dispensing equipment. Look for a screw driver to take it apart, take some pictures. At least find the bloody Manual that must have come with it, so that I could sail away with a blueprint to become divine rich when grounded again.

Sorry to disappoint you, say hello to Arvy for me.

#261 Sky on 04.11.20 at 8:01 am

Executive order by Michigan Governor shuts down garden centres in Lowes and Home Depot. I’ve seen the twitter pics of the already roped off areas.

Also no access to tiling, flooring or paint. So if you have a flood and need to replace rotten flooring or want some bedding plants for a veggie garden you are SOL.

Farm Bureau is pleading with her to reconsider. Pleading! Local farmers reduced to begging for access to the retail market. Still think this is about the virus?

“Sebolt estimates the industry has $580 million-$700 million in retail sales on the line, should growers be prevented from selling.”

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/04/10/michigans-new-stay-at-home-order-restricts-access-to-gardening-and-home-improvement-sections-in-grocery-stores

#262 Yuus bin Haad on 04.11.20 at 8:21 am

No leadership from the left, nor the right, nor from the … well, whatever Mayor Tory is. But our local medical officer does have a fabulous collection of scarves.

#263 Penny Henny on 04.11.20 at 8:21 am

Hey Flop,
Corona virus song of the day.
My apologies if you already had it down.

Eddy Grant
‘There’s a killer on the rampage’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMLMRWONZMU

#264 A J on 04.11.20 at 8:25 am

#253 majik

He almost died. He ended up in the ICU on oxygen.

Did you see what happened in Italy? That could happen here without social distancing. It’s not about herd immunity. What’s the point on immunity if you’re dead? Our hospitals would be overrun if we didn’t social distance. People with strokes, heart attacks, other health issues would also die because there are no beds, equipment and Doctors available to help. That’s why we’re doing this.

#265 MF on 04.11.20 at 8:25 am

253 majik on 04.11.20 at 3:57 am

This is incorrect and impossible. There are reports of young people dying from covid. There are also lots of reports of young people having a really tough go of it and ending up in ICU’s.

There are likely multiple strains of covid, some worse than others. There is also viral load, seasonality, household makeup, and the fact that we don’t even know if recovered individuals retain any immunity. Once again you are treating covid like an infection we have intel on…we don’t. That’s why it’s called novel corona virus.

MF

#266 MF on 04.11.20 at 8:38 am

0 dlt inc on 04.10.20 at 11

We aren’t just “sitting around waiting for a vaccine”.

We are giving the health care system time to get ready, to learn about what we are dealing with, to see if any treatment exists, and to ensure society doesn’t break down.

MF

#267 MF on 04.11.20 at 8:41 am

#218 A J on 04.10.20 at 9:57

One of a growing number of bright spots in the comments.

Great job A J. Same goes for Faron and many others. There’s hope after all lol.

MF

#268 cto on 04.11.20 at 8:42 am

there is absolutely no way that the coronavirus graphs support the statements made buy our health authorities, especially when viewing it logarithmic.

They say “22000 deaths as we are moving now”.
logarithmic shows its already leveling off at somewhere north of are existing number,…600. Maybe 3000? in a year, or 5000 in 2 years?

where are these authorities getting their data.? how are they projecting the lines that already appear to be leveling? They said that by now the ERs would be full,…they are more empty now than ever in history! Trust me, i have been watching. ERs are empty in canadas biggest city.
At this moment, people are too afraid to counter the mantra of health officials, but….later,… their is going to be questions asked!!!

Lets hope this is the biggest virus we see in our lifetimes because if this turns out to be a massive over-reaction, next time there will be a massive under-reaction…

#269 Figure it Out on 04.11.20 at 8:43 am

Anyway, the theory that our fellow Canadians are doing a great job of hand washing and social distancing is being put to a good test: Easter and Passover. In a week or so, we’ll know how many are taking it seriously and how many made a potentially tragic family and friends exception.

#270 MF on 04.11.20 at 8:48 am

#205 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 8:27

Not comparable to war at all. The virus has no feelings, no brain, no strategy. It feels no empathy or regret. It derives no benefit during a pandemic other than existing, which it probably has for billions of years before we or our economies got here.

MF

#271 cto on 04.11.20 at 9:01 am

i mentioned this at the end of yesterdays blog, but i bares mentioning again…
Get out and drive by a hospital emergency room. here in the big smoke, they are completely empty. i mean empty! nobody! no sign of covid patients or otherwise. no activity, no nothing. Just a few park ambulances and staff. ..waiting….
Thank God New York is not happening here…and it doesnt appear to be headed that way, anecdotally or by the graphs.

#272 Toronto_CA on 04.11.20 at 9:01 am

Everyone should look at this:

https://twitter.com/grandad1975/status/1248247686563631104

Cop telling a UK family they are not allowed in their own front yard.

Disgusting abuse of power. I’m reminded of Star Wars: the more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.

#273 Figure it Out on 04.11.20 at 9:14 am

Something to ponder:

What does it mean, exactly, to say we are destroying our economy?

Our fields are not salted, our factories not bombed. Planes will still fly in a few months after a careful inspection and minor maintenance. Tradesmen will still have their trades, dentists will still know how to fill cavities.

Three months ago, most of us were living so high up on Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Probably less than ten percent of our productive capacity is enough to grow and distribute enough of our food, maintain our existing housing stock, and keep the water, electricity and internet on.

What’s really meant is that a giant superstructure of debt service has crept into all aspects of economic life, and the creditors risk getting stiffed. A decade ago, we bailed out automakers (but not the shareholders or bondholders), and banks (including the debtholders, and somewhat the shareholders). People moaned, but they didn’t do much about it. So now ‘we’ are bailing out everybody — junk bond holders, casinos, payday lenders, you name it.

If I told Karl Marx what the proles would be willing to put up with now in 2020, he’d be amazed, or maybe he wouldn’t. I’M amazed. The prevailing attitude seems to be “let us go back to work, yea though we may risk death, so we may continue to service our crushing debts, we beseech thee.”

Don’t get the wrong idea about me. I didn’t camp my ass in a 99%er protest a few years ago, and I’m living off the income from my capital rather than the sweat of my brow. But I’m amazed.

#274 Dharma Bum on 04.11.20 at 9:16 am

#75 Deplorable Dude

If Trump can get the US open again in the next few weeks, Canada will follow.
——————————————————————–

Of course that’s the way things will go.

Canada is but a mere flea sitting on the back of an elephant called the U.S.A.

We follow and ride along with our real leaders and masters – those that run a serious country – the U.S.A.

We have always benefitted from being their neighbour. Now, we have to suffer as long as they suffer. When they recover, we’ll recover.

Our fate in the world mirrors that of the U.S.

We are hopelessly dependant on them and interlinked with them. Don’t kid yourself.

Hopefully they’ll figure things out soon, because Trudeau sure isn’t figuring out squat.

#275 Steph on 04.11.20 at 9:19 am

You want a plan? The plan is being executed before your eyes and you don’t see it?

1. Pop the Airbnb bubble by scaring the hell out of them by telling them no tourist for 12-18 months.

2. Flood the RE market with these Airbnb condos and end the get rich quick schemes that created part of the RE bubble. *Later* Blame the bubble on Airbnb and chinese buyers.

3. BoC buy the junk morgage bonds so banks will be fine despite the flood of foreclosures coming because no one with a right mind will be buying these shoe boxes in the sky.

4. Houses and rent prices will go down to a saner level after this and it’s all good but pretty bad for the ones pickled in debt.

5. Reduce the insane road traffic level we were used to by forcing people to work from home, doctors to do remote diagnostics, etc.

6. Balance the world commercial imbalances by doing the buy local thingy.

7. Reduce petroleum use and clean the air. (We are running out of the stuff anyway)

8. *To come later* cut GST and PST to zéro on new electric cars and increasing taxes on gas cars.

9. *In progress* Reinvent schooling so kids learn how to think instead of loading there brains with preconceived garbage.

10. *Happening now* Educate people that saving some money for hard times is a virtue.

11. Do not let a perfectly good crisis go to wast by fixing any other things that are wrong in the society (Local measures).

12. To those who can see what is happening, stay home, calm down, enjoy a good book with a glass of Merlot and good music. Turn off the TV, radio and any merchant of doom.

Cheers!
Steph

#276 Phylis on 04.11.20 at 9:33 am

#212 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 9:13 pm Sounds like the pa installed in north korean homes…. the one with the volume knob that doesnt turn off.

#277 Victor V on 04.11.20 at 9:38 am

Regarding yesterday’s blog about condo sales crashing by 80 per cent, check out this short clip:

https://twitter.com/mariehui/status/1248796331331608576?s=21

#278 Oh Canada on 04.11.20 at 9:51 am

Garth, you’ve read my mind. Thank you for spelling it out. Now is there a single leader in Ottawa who can figure it out? And can the freaked out among us calm down and find such sound reasoning. We need action before our ship goes down. Mr Trudeau seems to be relishing the opportunity to implement a quasi UBI and push some sad socialist agenda. Now is not the time (it’s never the time but that’s a different story). I can’t believe the lack of leadership in Canada right now and how easily we have folded. Stand up Canada and be strong during this challenging time! We can do this.

#279 cristian on 04.11.20 at 10:01 am

Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR0WPGPyqb_2L098wmIH7zZCOzW7kUhULAei4W6-8kzJf4dquPyXVSYDNgU

#280 conan on 04.11.20 at 10:06 am

RE #223 Sydneysider on 04.10.20 at 10:42 pm

Normally these last for a couple of months, but let us take a closer look at Covid 19. Granted, I am going to be making some assumptions, but everyone is at this point.

1) 50% of carriers show no symptoms. I doubt that was the case in any previous pandemic.

2) It seems to spread by normal breath and talking…..

3) It seems to have gone global in a matter of months

It looks like the response is in line with other responses in the past. We see mass quarantine and social distancing. We are also going to see cloth masks for everyone. What they are trying to do is delay the “rip” until health resources are in place.

Anyone who wants a “rip,” we are still going to get it. It is just it will be controlled. Anyone who tries to let it go without putting the resources in place is going to A: Cause a lot of needless death, B: Cause a longer economic shut down later on. C: Pay the price at the polls.

I predict that will happen to Trump, Bolsonaro, et al.

#281 Flop... on 04.11.20 at 10:19 am

Flop’s Corona Virus Song Of The Day.

Fleetwood Mac.

Behind The Mask…

M45BC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZisHnUz5cVk

A snippet.

Don’t you come too close to me
You’re dangerous, can’t you see
You can make the darkness mean more
Then it ever did

Ever did before
It’s a devil’s disguise

#282 YouKnowWho on 04.11.20 at 10:22 am

A thought.

There is no cure or vaccine for the 2003 SARS.

Covid-19 is a SARS virus.

What makes us think we can get a vaccine to this one if we couldn’t get one for SARS in 17 years?

#283 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.11.20 at 10:27 am

@#200 Sail Away
“Very similar to now. Lots of fools stomping around and many getting a sad pleasure from beating the Social Distance Warrior drum.”
++++

The scary version.
A few years from now when people realize the entire Covid hysteria wasnt really justified….a la Desert Storm……the backlash against the people in power , the so called “experts” will be an even worse scenario.

If and when there is another outbreak that may actually ravage the population (unlike this one)….

Who will believe the warnings?

#284 rob on 04.11.20 at 10:27 am

@271

The guy @ #52 (IHCTD9) and people like him are anything but bright spots…. leeches!

#285 David Hawke on 04.11.20 at 10:30 am

Spot-on once again, politicians be on notice you have 30 days to come up with a plan.

#286 Jack on 04.11.20 at 10:31 am

Well, at least the disgusting comments from people like CrowdedElevatorFartz — who think it’s funny to make jokes about ignoring physical distancing and purposely coughing on people — appear to have stopped. Finally.

#287 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.11.20 at 10:33 am

@284 Conan-

The only things “ripping” round here are rampant TDS and fear.

#288 NoName on 04.11.20 at 10:36 am

#283 cristian on 04.11.20 at 10:01 am
Feds classifying all coronavirus patient deaths as ‘COVID-19’ deaths, regardless of cause

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR0WPGPyqb_2L098wmIH7zZCOzW7kUhULAei4W6-8kzJf4dquPyXVSYDNgU

Dolce Vita posted other day that in italy were doing post mort death diag, to confirm that peron/patient died from corona, vs that in germany they were just declaring a c19 death how long patient had related symptoms.

Which one of those two is correct way don’t know, but definitely italian one looks more scientific to me.

Here is a best meme, that depict how insidious c19 virus is.

https://imgur.com/a/M7WdCGT

#289 MF on 04.11.20 at 10:36 am

#279 Steph on 04.11.20 at 9:19 am

“9. *In progress* Reinvent schooling so kids learn how to think instead of loading there brains with preconceived garbage.”

-Hey Steph can you clarify what you mean by this? Is math and science preconceived garbage?

MF

#290 not 1st on 04.11.20 at 10:37 am

Canadas broke Garth. What took just a few weeks to blow up individuals own finances just ballooned into the provincial sphere.

How much more tax can we take? Going after capital gains will just kill the RE market churn that makes up a good chunk of Canada GDP and miniscule capital investment we can lure in here. Taxing dividends do the same.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/unprecedented-times-could-mean-unprecedented-options-on-the-table-to-aid-provinces/ar-BB12teaG?ocid=spartanntp

#291 Jack on 04.11.20 at 10:39 am

As to “why here”? Garth, besides the lack of clarity in your stance on the COVID-19 crisis (at least until this post), although I’m sure you delete a lot of comments, you also allow a lot that are quite over the top. In addition you allow the serial dark triads and other misfits (aka SailAway, CrowdedElevatorFartz, BrianT and others) to take over the comments section.

Free speech should stay free, until it is abused. – Garth

#292 akashic record on 04.11.20 at 10:48 am

#280 Phylis on 04.11.20 at 9:33 am

#212 akashic record on 04.10.20 at 9:13 pm Sounds like the pa installed in north korean homes…. the one with the volume knob that doesnt turn off.

Phylis, now even I have one, I voluntarily carry with me everywhere, it lives in my mobile phone.

#293 YouKnowWho on 04.11.20 at 10:50 am

#262 Moose Loose

Present at the announcement yesterday evening were….

Tourism Minister Caroline Proulx, Culture and Communications Minister Nathalie Roy and Isabelle Charest, the minister responsible for education, made the announcement.

The announcement was for festivals, gatherings sports.
https://www.tsn.ca/quebec-calls-for-cancellation-of-all-sports-festivals-and-cultural-events-until-aug-31-1.1465148

…does it take a genius to see this has to be extended to what has been described as engine of spread – children in school who are not impacted but spread it to scared adults?

Instead of letting our kids catch it and build future immunity, we’re going to sacrifice the young potentially to save the old and weak. Interesting. Let’s fight nature, see how it works out.

#258 BillyBob

Planes are in the air. Period.

7 people on board. 70. Or 270.

It doesn’t matter.

Why are these things flying? Why are people moving?
The plane spread this. It makes no sense that planes were flying up until recently and continue to do so. There are international flights coming and going with people.

The incompetence on this point alone in staggering. Who here wasn’t looking at the TVs in January and saying to them selves SHUT IT DOWN NOW!

Snippet of info….pfff.
I could be asymptomatic, declare myself as such at the airport and fly across the country. It’s even worse in US. People ARE on the planes. That is absolutely unacceptable.

There are no exceptions on this one. If there are then I give myself an exception to go play some basketball today. Totally nice day for it. 4pm works for you? What time do the cops change shifts?

#245 Not So New guy

Well, I did mention Animal Farm in the post here.

The slaves were freed and they became the masters. It has repeated over and over throughout history. And now they have slaves of their own, debt slaves. Will they free them? Seems to me like all these “mortgage holidays” and lending options being proposed as solutions ensure that it should be anything but freeing of the debt slaves. Deferred mortgage eats in few months 1/2 the principal paid the year prior. Sleazy. Thanks debt masters. You’re welcome sent slaves. Would you like another?

Since we speak of commandments, and holy book does the bible not frown upon this very issue? Lending at an interest? For reasons highlighted in The 10 Commandments film itself obviously. It has enslaved a majority. And perhaps this act of nature is a punishment for that? Who knows. We certainly are self involved to not see the broader picture – that can be relied upon with high level of certainty.

One thing is certain, I always felt debt is slavery.

#294 Steph on 04.11.20 at 11:26 am

#292 MF on 04.11.20 at 10:36 am
“9. *In progress* Reinvent schooling so kids learn how to think instead of loading there brains with preconceived garbage.”

-Hey Steph can you clarify what you mean by this? Is math and science preconceived garbage?

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Math and science are the perfect tools to learn how to think, but also learning to read and grammar, other then that, let kids be kids and give them the tools to find what they love to do and stop doing the one size fits all kinda education.

#295 SoggyShorts on 04.11.20 at 11:28 am

#286 YouKnowWho on 04.11.20 at 10:22 am
A thought.
There is no cure or vaccine for the 2003 SARS.
Covid-19 is a SARS virus.
What makes us think we can get a vaccine to this one if we couldn’t get one for SARS in 17 years?
*********
Money?

I mean…let’s face it: almost no one got SARS, and almost no one even heard of MERS.

People are scared of this one, and it’s getting a lot of attention.

#296 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 04.11.20 at 11:30 am

“There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program” Milton Friedman

#297 Don Guillermo on 04.11.20 at 11:32 am

#231 OK, Doomer on 04.10.20 at 11:42 pm
I love watching all of theHollywood types line up to trash Trump and his actions on COVID, then in the same breath support China’s talking points.
Good to see that they can all follow a script. They need to demonstrate their loyalty to the Party so they can get land the next role.
And by the Democratic Party which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Communist Party of China
**************************************

It was priceless when Ricky Gervais called them out at the Globes last January.

#298 kc on 04.11.20 at 11:35 am

295 Jack on 04.11.20 at 10:39 am

As to “why here”? Garth, besides the lack of clarity in your stance on the COVID-19 crisis (at least until this post), although I’m sure you delete a lot of comments, you also allow a lot that are quite over the top. In addition you allow the serial dark triads and other misfits (aka SailAway, CrowdedElevatorFartz, BrianT and others) to take over the comments section.

Free speech should stay free, until it is abused. – Garth

XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Jack, Garth is one of the farest people that I read daily. I have in here since 2008 and have seen many good comments, bad comments and level headed people. Garth is a person who has alsways kept a fair and even keel in his world of “Greaterfool”.

I used to comment a great more and read the comments, but time and real world life took its toll and time wouldn’t allow it, today’s day I have a bit more time and i am noticing Garth still holds a high value to free speech. He will not tolerate racism and out right violent actions, however he is a very even moderator.

cheers and never let the lights go out here Garth.

#299 Jack on 04.11.20 at 11:44 am

#295 ” Free speech should stay free, until it is abused. – Garth”

Garth, there is a difference between “free speech” and “abusive obscene or disrespectful comments” (see: HELPFUL REMINDERS FROM YOUR FORUM HOST, GARTH TURNER). Possibly if you learned to tell the difference and actually enforced your HELPFUL REMINDERS (and not just when you are the subject of the attack), you would see less riffraff and have less work to do sifting through the garbage.

Stop being a cop, Jack. – Garth

#300 Fused on 04.11.20 at 11:44 am

I hope that these heroic workers are black listed and never work in this field again, we will shame people walking too close together, but not a word about leaving seniors to die of thirst, hunger and laying in bed in their own filth for days. The workers and ownersshould be charged with negligence.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/public-health-police-find-bodies-feces-at-dorval-s

And this story shows how the public really supports the health care workers, banging lots of pots and pans but stay the F&%K away from me.
I have family in health care and they do not tell people what they do, as they are treated like Typhoid Mary, nobody wants them around and they feel shunned.
These are everyday experiences now, and they are told by their employers to not wear anything that identifies them as health care workers when going out in public.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton/296805/Penticton-hospital-worker-says-potential-landlords-said-Hell-no

It was not too long ago that T2 was vilifying those hero doctors for being over paid, tax avoiding, loophole licking cheats and stripping away their ability to accumulate wealth.
Now they want these same people that they nailed to the cross to jump to the fore front of this outbreak after throwing them under the bus.

#301 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.11.20 at 11:56 am

@#295 jack be nimble

“the serial dark triads and other misfits …”

+++++

Learning new jargon in your sheeple pc class are you….?

I took a drive this am through downtown Van.
(Dont worry Nimble, I didnt get out of my Self distance bubble)
Roads deserted. A few cars, a few people sleeping in doorways.
Then I turned onto Hastings St…
A few years ago it was about 3 blocks of shuffling drug addled zombies.
Now?
8-10 blocks, both sides of the street ….tents, blankets, garbage. Everyone huddled closely ,comparing items to be bartered for god only knows what.
A complete war zone.
Not a cop in site.
No point in fining the destitute for close contact when they have zero money and jail would be paradise in comparison.

But in the self distancing nazified world we live in ……
They should all be arrested for not self distancing, for their own good of course….before the flu gets them instead of Fentynal.

#302 Sail Away on 04.11.20 at 12:00 pm

#290 Jack
#296 Jack

——————

Nice to see you back under yet another blogname. I must say, your singleminded devotion to censoring myself and crowded, and also now BrianT is quite boggling. Sad, too.

How’s the marriage, the side piece, recreational drug use, daughters, the black dog Elsie and Lucifur? Elsie isn’t a very good dog name, by the way: consonants are far more easily recognized. Speaking of easily recognized, your posts are easily recognized by the venom lurking just below the surface.

See you again soon. Unfortunately.

#303 Dr V on 04.11.20 at 12:03 pm

258 Billybob – I love it when “know nothings” are
owned by logical, readable, unemotional and
knowledgable posts. Thank you.

#304 Herb on 04.11.20 at 12:09 pm

#208 PastThePeak,

perhaps more so for anyone who can’t get beyond propaganda.

#305 El presidente on 04.11.20 at 12:11 pm

#274 MF on 04.11.20 at 8:48 am
#205 Sail Away on 04.10.20 at 8:27

Not comparable to war at all. The virus has no feelings, no brain, no strategy. It feels no empathy or regret. It derives no benefit during a pandemic other than existing, which it probably has for billions of years before we or our economies got here.

MF
…..

Trump just said it was genius…very smart…. a germ that can out smart antibiotics…..

#306 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.11.20 at 12:14 pm

@# 295 simplejack

I also noticed that very very few of the stores on the Hastings St war zone were closed or boarded up…?

Unlike the rest of the downtown core.
Block after block of boarded up businesses.

I guess the zombie apocalypse doesnt “mess” in it’s own back yard?
Who knew?

Ironically enough.
One of my favorite movie scenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIxHb7cA6tg

#307 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.11.20 at 12:14 pm

@303 Jack-

Lemme guess… The meaning of “abusive, obscene, and disrespectful” would be defined as “anything that offends Blackdo…..errr, Jack’s delicate sensibilities” amirite?

#308 Jin on 04.11.20 at 12:16 pm

The whole modern economy, was not built with the capability to handle a specific and massive shut down like this.

What in the economy that government has ever touched ends up better for it?

This is a double whammy of epic proportions.

A new paradigm will emerge, we are not going back to things as they were just 3 months ago.

#309 akashic record on 04.11.20 at 12:21 pm

#305 crowdedelevatorfartz

Very sad.

#310 Quintilian on 04.11.20 at 12:29 pm

@#305 crowdedelevatorfartz

“8-10 blocks, both sides of the street ….tents, blankets, garbage.”

“Roads deserted. A few cars, a few people sleeping in doorways”

The RE promoters call it the best place on earth would you believe.

#311 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.11.20 at 12:35 pm

@#312 Akashic
“Very sad.”

%%%%%%

Yep.
It takes a lot to shock me and its been about 5 years since I’ve driven up the Hastings St. strip from say Cambie St. east to Main St. and the tents continue for several blocks east of Main…….

Unbelievable.

#312 BrianT on 04.11.20 at 12:43 pm

#303-Jack-I never post abusive, obscene or disrespectful comments-psychologically, your syndrome is classified as Projection. Re the serial dark triad-I googled that and all that came up was Dark Triad Serial Killers-I would be surprised to learn that there are any Dark Triad Serial Killers posting on this blog. On a positive note IMO this would be a very difficult time to be a Dark Triad Serial Killer-nobody is getting in your car-nobody will open their door, etc.etc.

#313 Barb on 04.11.20 at 12:46 pm

#256 belly rubs
“…Entombed, then resurrected, one baby squirrel.”

—————————–
Nice to smile at a comment here.
Thank you from this animal lover.

#314 Sail Away on 04.11.20 at 12:54 pm

Dumb people can be the most persistent enemies because they don’t know when they’ve been beaten.

Seriously OCD middle-aged women sometimes fall into this category. Anyone else have a bitter dragon for a mother-in-law? I do. She was married for grand total of three years and has now been divorced for 42, but all her problems were apparently caused by men in general and her ex-husband in particular (who is a very nice person that definitely made the right choice, in my opinion).

#315 Lambchop on 04.11.20 at 1:21 pm

#311 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.11.20 at 12:14 pm
@303 Jack-

Lemme guess… The meaning of “abusive, obscene, and disrespectful” would be defined as “anything that offends Blackdo…..errr, Jack’s delicate sensibilities” amirite?
_______________

Careful Bytor, you’ll be added to the Blackdog list!

People who can’t appreciate some dark humour now and then live in a very small world.

People who relentlessly post under different names in an effort to sway opinion by trying to make it look like a lot of people agree with them, well that’s just sad.

I feel like you are the lucky one, since our generous host continues to allow your bleating posts to be published.

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#316 not 1st on 04.11.20 at 2:05 pm

Maybe a future post will be titled insurrection. Govts don’t know what they are tampering with. The next mass gatherings might be in front of the provincial legislatures and the HoC.

There is not way this can go past May 1. Trudeau has spent $250B (including another $73B today) to keep the lights on for a month. It will take trillions to go 18 months like he said.

#317 Ronaldo on 04.11.20 at 3:07 pm

#299 SoggyShorts

People are scared of this one, and it’s getting a lot of attention.
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People are scared of this one because it’s getting a lot of attention.

#318 MichelMD on 04.11.20 at 3:39 pm

Bloomberg:

“Mortgage Defaults Could Pile Up at Pace That Dwarfs 2008

Mortgage lenders are preparing for the biggest wave of delinquencies in history. If the plan to buy time works, they may avert an even worse crisis: Mass foreclosures and mortgage market mayhem.”

and Bill Bonner’s blog:

“Bear markets do not end with investors looking for the bottom… and eagerly buying the dip. They end in desperation and capitulation… when animal spirits have disappeared… and optimism has been wrung out the system.

At the end, investors are not looking for bargains. They’re not calling their brokers, hoping to get in on the next bull market.

Instead, they want nothing to do with stocks and would like to punch their brokers in the face.

While the feds may be able to fake out investors, and boost stock prices with fake money, fake money can’t produce real wealth …”

#319 ted on 04.11.20 at 7:00 pm

I think Stan Brooks needs to get a grip. You keep on preaching to people about how they have responsibilities to others. Translation ” I am scared to die and demand everyone does what I say” Life is not risk free. Grow up. Far more will die if we do nothing.

#320 Scott on 04.11.20 at 10:17 pm

Garth they’re bringing back sectors and industries as required. We/they are not going to let people starve and go hungry. The things we actually need are busier than ever. Hopefully they’ll bring back the economy methodically based on needs. My sector (airline) will be a slow painful road back. Beats the alternative. I’d much rather chance rebellion from a stalled economy from six months of dormancy than the rebellion of health care workers being wiped out. Sister is a nurse and they account for 10% of cases. This is when we’ve kept it rather under control. Why risk over running hospitals and depleting our resources (none more important than our incredibly finite doctors/nurses). Kids can catch up from missing 3 months of school. Workers can recover from six months missed wages. Are people going to end up out on the street because they can’t pay their rent or mortgage? No sign of that in sight. Yes many individuals and governments will carry a debt load for years or even decades to come. It will give you great material to write about! That was your fav topic even before this world changing pandemic. Think of the graphs and the negative savings rates you can shame people for in a couple years lol :)

#321 Tom Mott on 04.12.20 at 1:04 pm

# 261 I rest my case.