The rain tax

This week the UN said greenhouses gases spew unabated, and we’ll all fry in eighty years. Global temps will spike over three degrees, and millions will become climate refugees. The economic destruction, political disruption and human misery will be legion. So why would you ever birth a child today? Action is desperately required.

The deniers, Trumpers and pro-growth gang say the UN’s a criminal outfit full of globalists who wish to subjugate, tax, control and geld us. The climate change hoax is part of the agenda to create a one-world, borderless, pan-national reality serving the elites. Trudeau is their toady. It’s just weather. Resist.

The debate is not going away. Meanwhile – agree or not – climate change is the dominant political issue in Ottawa and, increasingly, it’s a factor with real estate. As mentioned recently, 30-year mortgages may soon be a thing of the past in the US where they are the backbone of the housing business. Given increased storms, floods and wild fires, some regions will be deemed uninsurable. No insurance, no decades-long mortgage. No mortgage, no market. Prices topple.

In Toronto some agents are now counseling clients away from buying properties in areas when flooding is prevalent. As the climate/weather impacts in new, more intense ways they warn valuations could be zonked. Meanwhile the federal government’s carbon tax – set to ratchet higher as the years pass – is hiking the cost of home ownership, making energy-efficient homes more valuable and eroding the sticker price of those with leaky windows or scant insulation.

Fuel oil, natural gas, propane, electricity – all taxed now for climate change. Plastic bags, straws, burger boxes – banned. This is the age of biodegradable cutlery, anti-fossil fuels and derision if you drive Silverado. Even without truck nutz

And now they want to tax the rain.

Actually they already do in a number of cities, including Ottawa, Kitchener and Mississauga. Hamilton is studying the issue, because of climate change. Toronto councillors will be voting on it in mid-December.

Rain taxes are the levies imposed on property owners according to the amount of runoff their land or roofs generate. In some places they’re called ‘stormwater fees’ but they’re really just penalties for owning real estate and a revenue grab by cities struggling with climate-related infrastructure.

Hardest hit, as you might imagine, will be those who own parking lots, businesses or factories with large paved surfaces. “As Toronto faces more intense rainstorms and floods … stormwater pricing is the type of responsive tool our city needs to adapt to climate change,” says the Toronto Environmental Alliance. “We need to climate proof all of our existing infrastructure from the extreme weather Toronto is facing.” In order to escape or reduce the tax, owners are expected to turn asphalt into green space, re-roof in absorbent materials or create in-ground cisterns to collect and reuse rainwater. Big bucks. Big potential tax.

Residential property owners will probably not escape this, as the rain tax is added to water or sewer bills. The more roof you have, the more you pay. The more water your property sheds into the sewer, the more tax faced.

(One formula to calculate the rain tax uses a measure called ERU – Equivalent Residential Unit.  This equals the amount of impervious square footage in a typical home, factoring in the roof, driveways, walkways etc. One ERU equals 3,000 square feet. Existing taxes range from $3 to $9 per ERU per month.)

Proponents argue it’s simply fair landowners pony up more money to finance the upgraded pipes that’ll be necessary in dealing with the big weather events that climate change is bringing. Opponents argue that real estate’s turning into a sitting duck asset with all levels of government assaulting owners as a cover for their profligate social spending. Taxing real estate based on its market value – which owners can’t influence nor escape – is bad enough. But taxing land more when it rains is, well, something only renters and commies-in-condos would dream up.

The rain tax is maybe not a big deal. But it’s a harbinger.

Climate change levies will be coming hard and fast over the next few years. Some may actually help the environment. Some will be pure revenue grabs. All will be cloaked in moral superiority. And count on overwhelming support from the largest voting demographic, those who believed in a shared economy and jazz hands.

Real estate’s a prime target. You can’t move it. You can’t hide it. Urban properties eat resources and these days they’re symbols of wealth. Whether you believe man-made climate change is real or not, you’re going to pay for it. This may be the end of free parking at the mall.

 

237 comments ↓

#1 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 4:23 pm

To be followed by a carbon tax on pets. The pet flatulence tax. People starving in Africa. Pets farting all over the place. Cats and dogs, horses and hamsters. Budgies. It is the only right thing to do. Just wait and see.

#2 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:30 pm

#99 oh bouy on 11.26.19 at 1:07 pm
@#39 IHCTD9 on 11.25.19 at 9:13 pm
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Weird hearing someone like you quoting scripture.

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Probably because you know exactly jack about a guy “like me”…

Seriously, depending on your world view, and how you have decided to frame me based on what you read here – you might have a stroke if you knew the “real me”…

#3 Dave on 11.26.19 at 4:30 pm

Rain tax, as I was reading this blog I kept waiting for the punchline.

I live in Richmond BC and we are below sea level…so are we going to disappear in the water like Jakarta?

#4 Chris on 11.26.19 at 4:32 pm

Things have gotten worse for each successive generation. With the coming wave of automation, jobs are going to be scarce. Most of the white collar jobs and even skilled trades will be automated and eliminated. With more competition for jobs, even a bachelor’s degree may not be sufficient. College tuition for an undergrad is expected to increase to over $250,000 in 20-30 years.

#5 SharkTank on 11.26.19 at 4:35 pm

Rio Can Bailout Imminent!

#6 Leo on 11.26.19 at 4:38 pm

I kinda laugh when I see statements like this: “Proponents argue it’s simply fair landowners pony up more money to finance the upgraded pipes that’ll be necessary in dealing with the big weather events that climate change is bringing.” Because the tax is paid but if the pipes etc don’t take care of the big weather event, then it falls to our insurance to pay. So we get to pay again.

#7 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:43 pm

#103 Sold Out on 11.26.19 at 1:41 pm
#87 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 11:37 am
#87 Sold Out on 11.26.19 at 10:41 am

I love seeing all these “smaller government ” types here suggesting that homeless drug addicts be required to work for their keep. They must envision some dystopian system of enforcement, probably involving no actual exchange of currency, because that will just enable drug use, but providing a bare minimum of food and communal shelter under the watchful gaze of their moral betters.
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La-la land.

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Well, rarely have I been the target of such a well-balanced, reasoned, and nuanced rebuttal!

This, from a guy pontificating from his homemade, backwoods pulpit. I suspect that if one cared to look up ‘insular’ in a dictionary, we would know what you look like.

Yeah, what do I know? I only spent 20+ years resuscitating, counselling, finding treatment for, and working alongside, the addicted in the world’s biggest open air mental facility.
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How much more were you expecting me to say to guy who took half a sentence out of an entire post, and turned it into a paragraph long monologue of left wing angst regarding what “small government types” “must envision” – none of which was posted?

We can discuss your 20 years of working with the addicted once you come back to earth and rejoin us little people.

#8 No SUV for you on 11.26.19 at 4:43 pm

Big SUVs are taxed extra for parking dans la belle ville……… just try and put truck nutz on those

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/suv-parking-permit-price-plateau-1.5356146

#9 Stan Brooks on 11.26.19 at 4:44 pm

Fantastic.

What comes next is a mandatory personal device to measure the methane coming out of animal’s and human’s derrieres in order to tax it.

Then tax the beef.
Tax. Tax. Tax. Again Tax. Tax. Tax. And then Tax. Tax. Tax.

China coal power building boom sparks climate warning
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45640706

India expects coal-fired power capacity to grow 22% in 3 years
http://news.trust.org/item/20190731133649-zkxm6/

Justifying de-industrialization with climate change.
With the 6th severe winter in a row already here/in early November.

And I thought BoC was mental when they blamed climate change for what is coming.

Cheers,

#10 Eaglebay on 11.26.19 at 4:44 pm

I don’t know if I should cry or move to China. This is so stupid. They’re already taxing the air that we breathe. There is no evidence that the climate is changing for the worse. No CO2, no life. Some things have to change.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a natural and beneficial constituent of the atmosphere. By volume percentage, 99% of dry air is nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%). Most of the rest is argon (0.93%), with carbon dioxide amounting to only 0.04%, but slowly increasing. Even smaller amounts of other gases, neon, helium, methane etc., make up the remainder.

#11 Baby Sheep on 11.26.19 at 4:46 pm

talk about risks to properties

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/many-many-canadian-homes-could-become-uninsurable/article12818084/

#12 islander on 11.26.19 at 4:51 pm

“Given increased storms, floods and wild fires, some regions will be deemed uninsurable. No insurance, no decades-long mortgage. No mortgage, no market. Prices topple.” (Garth)

Might want to have a look at the following article on ‘stranded assets’.

https://www.lloyds.com/news-and-risk-insight/risk-reports/library/society-and-security/stranded-assets

“Stranded assets are defined as assets that have suffered from unanticipated or premature write-downs, devaluation or conversion to liabilities. ”

Thanks Garth for keeping us thinking!

#13 yvr_lurker on 11.26.19 at 4:52 pm

YVR is one step ahead of the curve. There has not been free parking in any mall I know for many years now (except Oakridge). Park on Broadway street near arbtutus to go for dinner at 7:30pm; now 5 bucks an hour at the meter. Next up, will be metering Spanish banks, where people drive in from all places in the summer to have a BBQ on the beach……all in the name of making YVR a world class (and shithole) city.

#14 Shawn Allen on 11.26.19 at 4:54 pm

You say, “stormwater fee”, or “rain tax”, I say User fee”.

In some places they’re called ‘stormwater fees’ but they’re really just penalties for owning real estate and a revenue grab by cities struggling with climate-related infrastructure.

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Oh dear, another tax that I am not against.

I spent a career in utility regulation where pat of the goal was always to recover costs based on a concept of “user-pay”.

Residential streets require storm water drains. There is a cost to that. Who else but the home owners should pay?

If storm drains are reaching capacity then it seems logical to have financial incentives to lower the amount of storm run-off.

In utility regulation there was also the issue of things that had zero marginal cost. That is, fixed costs where usage did not really add to cost. Was it fair to charge that on a fixed basis or to charge based on usage? I favored a usage charge. I wanted to keep fixed monthly charges for zero usage to a minimum. I generally lost that argument.

#15 Smartalox on 11.26.19 at 4:55 pm

The Rain tax is an interesting concept, but where these taxes are collected, and where the money must be spent are not always the same place.

In Toronto, the lower Don River valley floods in large part because of subdivisions built in Newmarket. Or Markham, or Richmond Hill.

Meanwhile, in Richmond, BC, the latest, updated climate-change flood maps indicate that the whole of LuLu Island (and the YVR airport) are expected to be under water in less than a decade, (and not just worth less than the mortgage!)if things continue as they are. Who pays for the ‘Rain Tax’ there?

#16 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 4:58 pm

This whole climate change hoax was originated and funded by the Russians and the Chinese. They want to be #1 and they can’t do it economically or militarily so they are getting us to destroy ourselves economically and industrially so they can take over. Their plan is working.

#17 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:58 pm

#101 Tater on 11.26.19 at 1:29 pm

Something else to keep in mind:

“You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”

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Oh dear, here comes another conservative to tell us all how to solve problems based on the teachings of Magic Sky Daddy.

Thanks, but maybe let’s take approaches that have actually been shown to work.
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Indeed, remind me not to confuse you with an intolerant ******* in future posts. You are obviously a strong adherent to living and letting others live…

Tater my man, I wasn’t talking to YOU. I was replying to Ustabe who had also quoted a classic piece of scripture, one with which I also agree.

You understand that there are also Liberals and NDP’ers that also respect the teachings of “Magic Sky Daddy” too right?

Maybe there are a few followers on the blog? Maybe it’s ok if there is a comment here and there that they can share without a giant ******** like you shitting all over them?

Is that ok with you Tater?

#18 GBiddy on 11.26.19 at 5:01 pm

Scoff all you want, but a tax on people (family members) is coming very soon. Each person exhales deadly CO2, after all, and it’s an unfair luxury to have and house a large family. Consider it a CO2 luxury tax.

And despair, and peer into the abyss if you can.

You’ve been made to believe CO2, plant food, carbon, what you’re made of, is a deadly gas that risks the planet. This despite so much evidence challenging this theory, and absolutely zero evidence that a warmer world will be a worse world for humans.

Those of us with some silver on our backs have been preparing for this. There is no carbon tax on the firewood I burn, none on the food I grow. I avoid unnecessary taxes, and when rates get too high will sell and rent and pay even less.

It is the Mils and their children who will pay, who want to pay, who voted to pay for this brave new world.

And pay they shall.

#19 Brett in Calgary on 11.26.19 at 5:01 pm

Only if a formal education still has value in 20-30 years.
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#4 Chris on 11.26.19 at 4:32 pm
College tuition for an undergrad is expected to increase to over $250,000 in 20-30 years.

#20 Stan Brooks on 11.26.19 at 5:08 pm

I can smell the coming carbon tax on individual residences – glass condos, cornflakes homes with poor insulation.

The rich homeowners/millionaires living in those should pay their fair share of taxes.

Cheers,

#21 Dogman01 on 11.26.19 at 5:10 pm

In Gwynn Dryer’s book, War, he describes pre-history with Agricultural Man and Pastoral Man.
Agricultural man was tied to the land, he has infrastructure that he needed and that could not be moved.
Pastoral man was mobile, relied on herds and could head to the hills and sustain himself.

Agricultural man found himself living under despots, a powerless serf.
Pastoral man had to provide consent to be governed and maintained a say in his clan’s decisions.

One sitting duck the other had mobility.

#22 MinchinWeb on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm

Edmonton already does this (and has for years). The current residential rate is 2.1253 cents/m2/month (of lot area).

#23 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm

Dang, does this mean I have to sell my Silverado?

#24 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 5:18 pm

I find it odd that people who state that the climate has always changed are demonized as “Climate Change Deniers”. That’s the exact opposite of what they’re saying.

Shouldn’t the people who deny that the climate changed before people came along actually be called “Climate Change Deniers”? That would make much more logical sense.

#25 The Greater Cauliflower on 11.26.19 at 5:19 pm

Don’t forget that in BC you are forced to pay for other people’s electricity through the BC Hydro ‘Customer Crisis Fund’

#26 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:20 pm

This all sounds like an April Fools joke and it’s not even April yet. Gets crazier every day. WTF next?

#27 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 5:21 pm

#10 Eaglebay on 11.26.19 at 4:44 pm

I’m a scientist, you’re not.

So please just take my word (and the words of the overwhelming majority of other climate and tangentially related physical scientists) for it when I say that climate change is real, and you just don’t understand it because you’ve been lied to by people who stand to make literally trillions of dollars by deceiving the public.

#28 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 5:22 pm

“Real estate’s a prime target. You can’t move it. You can’t hide it.”
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This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to buy a big RV like at least one other dog here does…

I hope any specuvestors reading this are paying attention. As long as dudes like T2 are popular, your RE investments are TOAST.

Seriously, we can’t get past a month without some new idea on how the “rich” homeowners should get clobbered.

Unload now!

#29 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 5:23 pm

#23 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm
Dang, does this mean I have to sell my Silverado?
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Yes, it does. I’ll PM you my address and you can drop it off tomorrow. Keys go in the mailbox and I’ll leave you $15 million in carbon credits that I just purchased from the Ukrainian government.

#30 Dutchy on 11.26.19 at 5:27 pm

An opportunity ??

Fresh water shortages all over the world.

Collect it. Package it. Sell it.

#31 Phil on 11.26.19 at 5:28 pm

Now you need to factor in weather control which there is substantial evidence for and how they can use that to back up their fake climate change agenda to keep the masses in fear.

#32 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:29 pm

@Sunshower #27, It’s pointless to argue with those who deny the reality and threat of man-made climate change.

#33 akashic record on 11.26.19 at 5:30 pm

Portfolio tax.

The most concentrated carbon footprint holding in the world.

#34 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:30 pm

Glad I moved away from the north coast with an average of 110 inches of rain per year. Let’s see, what should we tax next?

#35 CEW9 on 11.26.19 at 5:32 pm

#4 Chris on 11.26.19 at 4:32 pm
With more competition for jobs, even a bachelor’s degree may not be sufficient. College tuition for an undergrad is expected to increase to over $250,000 in 20-30 years.

Bachelor’s Degrees are not exactly enough right now – depending on the degree. English Major? Forget about it. Liberal Arts? Hard no. Fine Arts, Sociology, Humanities; all over enrolled and generally non-professional degrees with near zero chance of employment in your area of study.

Universities are businesses. They have bamboozled us to think it is a path to success (it is not). Education is good, if a) you enjoy it and are willing to pay for that enjoyment, or b) you learn skills that are economically desirable.

Trades, entrepreneurship and professional degrees are where the future is. Full Stop.

That means 90% of university programs could disappear and the economy would barely notice.

#36 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:37 pm

Ok, so if I set up rain barrels like we did back on the farm and capture the water and then use it to water my garden and for washing clothes and any other environmentally sound purpose, would I be excluded from the tax?

#37 Cow Man on 11.26.19 at 5:43 pm

The infrastructure has already been paid for by development levy charges when the homes, and businesses were built. Parking lots pay excessively high assessments already. They pay many multiples of residential real estate mill rates. Eventually there will be a tipping point of no return. This does support the argument that the “climate crisis” is nothing more than an opportunity to transfer wealth. That is unfortunate.

#38 Tater on 11.26.19 at 5:51 pm

#17 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:58 pm
#101 Tater on 11.26.19 at 1:29 pm

Something else to keep in mind:

“You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”

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Oh dear, here comes another conservative to tell us all how to solve problems based on the teachings of Magic Sky Daddy.

Thanks, but maybe let’s take approaches that have actually been shown to work.
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Indeed, remind me not to confuse you with an intolerant ******* in future posts. You are obviously a strong adherent to living and letting others live…

Tater my man, I wasn’t talking to YOU. I was replying to Ustabe who had also quoted a classic piece of scripture, one with which I also agree.

You understand that there are also Liberals and NDP’ers that also respect the teachings of “Magic Sky Daddy” too right?

Maybe there are a few followers on the blog? Maybe it’s ok if there is a comment here and there that they can share without a giant ******** like you shitting all over them?

Is that ok with you Tater?
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How very Christian of you!

When you make stupid statements about the efficacy of hard work as a treatment for addiction based on your Sky Daddy beliefs, it makes as much sense as telling someone with cancer that they just need to mow the lawn and they’ll be right as rain.

And yep, I’m the sort of ******* who will call that sort of nonsense out every time. You are free to believe what ever you want, but lets have actual science dictate policy.

#39 Yuus bin Haad on 11.26.19 at 5:51 pm

At least the UN folks realized that “the world is gonna end in twelve years” wasn’t testing well.

#40 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:56 pm

@Sunshowers, I wonder if those who adamantly deny that scientists know what they are talking about regarding the threat of man-made climate change, also argue with their family physician when told they have cancer or some other disease.

#41 Eaglebay on 11.26.19 at 5:58 pm

#27 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 5:21 pm

You’re giving science a bad name. I’ve never denied that the climate is changing. It always has changed. I’m not sure what your post is all about.
Study Quantum mechanics and you may get a better idea. I’ve been taught by Dr. William Happer of Princeton and maybe you should look him up. Salvation my friend the scientist.

#42 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 5:59 pm

#18 GBiddy on 11.26.19 at 5:01 pm

Those of us with some silver on our backs have been preparing for this. There is no carbon tax on the firewood I burn, none on the food I grow. I avoid unnecessary taxes, and when rates get too high will sell and rent and pay even less.

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Even more, burning wood is carbon neutral. If you take the ash and residual char and bury it (in your veggie garden for instance – great fertilizer), then you are carbon negative.

I am making the move to wood heat as well, just supplemental at first, but if all goes well, it will be my primary heat source. Fuel will be slab wood from sawmills (about 20-40.00 per bush cord), wood will be “chunked” via a home built “rebak” machine (see youtube, these are from Eastern Europe, and Russia) and burnt in a home built up draft gasifier. Pellet costs will be about 2k this year, moving to wood slabs will reduce the heating bill to about 180.00 per year. Oh, and no taxes of any kind paid. :D

Future Canadians need to adapt to our quixotic leadership if they are going to win, and that basically means remaining a moving target, and bending the rules where necessary.

The way things are shaping up, I’m expecting some bizarre taxation ideas (as Mr. T illustrates in today’s blog). For me, the plan is staying slippery and difficult.

They better budget huge for enforcement…

#43 Debtslavecreator on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm

Climate change is NOT driven by man made activities
It’s the sun and ocean
Using this fake “emergency “ to defraud the public has become a top Priority for the left and big govt types
They will regulate and tax all decisions and assets
You do NOT own anything
Everything will be confiscated over the next 10-15 years through govt laws, currency printing and political attacks
Nothing good comes from massive govt borrowing / spending and from making big govt bigger
This will all make sense soon enough
The govts are in massive debts with most economies weak from years of massive junk debt driven GDP
The banks / bond holders and your friendly govt will now turn against you and steal everything you have
Because it’s justice , and fair
It’s right in front of you folks
No need to over analyze

#44 GBiddy on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm

#27 SunShowers

With all due respect, talking down to ppl never wins you supporters and actually reinforces the belief that many scientists are out of touch with reality and believe what they spew, having lost objectivity.

The scientific method doesn’t account for this, which is why scientists are highly prone to lemmingism. (See: Human History for countless examples)

Also, people stand to make hundreds of trillions of dollars from climate change hysteria, and next to nothing by denying it. You’ve got it all backwards. yes, fossil fuel companies want to continue to profit, and alternative energy companies (and govts) want to take some of that profit. Doesn’t make any of it real.

Also, I know of no scientists who say “I’m a scientist, so listen to me…” Doubt, skepticism and refinement of theories and thesis are hallmarks of good science.

And to broaden your exposure to real science, why not interview a few atmospheric scientists who will tell you that all 4 of the primary climate models used by virtually every other science org fail to account for the static heating caused by atmosphere convection.

Or talk to a few geologists about isostatic rebound and, conversely, sinking landmasses such as that upon which Venice sits. If sinking is factored in, predictions of sea level rise are greatly muted.

In fact, if critical thinking is factored in to any climate change discussion, the lies and greatly muted and the truth intentions easily exposed.

But you know all of this of course, because you’re a scientist. I know because you said so.

#45 Sail away on 11.26.19 at 6:14 pm

“It is unfortunate for us, that, of some of the greatest men, we know least, and talk most.”

― Homer, The Odyssey

#46 Sail away on 11.26.19 at 6:15 pm

#27 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 5:21 pm
#10 Eaglebay on 11.26.19 at 4:44 pm

I’m a scientist, you’re not.

So please just take my word (and the words of the overwhelming majority of other climate and tangentially related physical scientists) for it when I say that climate change is real.

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“Scepticism is as much the result of knowledge, as knowledge is of scepticism.”

― Homer, The Odyssey

#47 Happy Prairie Guy on 11.26.19 at 6:17 pm

#10 Eaglebay and #27 Sunshowers
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Eaglebay perfectly said and goes well with what Tony Heller says today
videohttps://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/the-cure-for-climate-alarmism/

Sunshowers – You are right re climate change, it’s always changing but naturally not by what we humans do!

I was onboard with climate change for a while but what always bugged me was having to study Paul Erlich’s Population Bomb book in uni in 1969, where we were all going to die from overpopulation, not enough food, etc.

Well we’re still here and not as many as Erlich figured and we feed the world because of CO2, that’s what makes plants grow. Sure why not reduce CO2 to 200ppm like Greta would like, all the plants will die, then we die too!

#48 the Jaguar on 11.26.19 at 6:19 pm

Evan Siddall in the National Post today:
” Subsidizing debt helps builders and brokers, not buyers.”
He was referring to schemes to roll back amortizations, loan programs, ditch stress tests, etc.
The man is a national treasure and saint. Thank you Evan Siddall for everything you do. You are my hero.
If only OSFI had the ‘cojones’ you have…….

Two other interesting articles in the Globe this weekend about the massive investment China is making in a national high speed rail system and another about the urbanization of China and its impact on energy requirements, i.e. the increased world demand for energy including fossil fuels.
Freebird (posted yesterday #59) provided an excellent link to a documentary about how tourism is ruining places like Venice. Excellent example of how worldwide massive tourism is spoiling every lovely place on the planet. Travel used to be a privilege of the elite. Nowadays the world is just one big theme park.
All this attention and money spent on climate change would be interesting if it wasn’t just ‘cheap talk’. I don’t mind providing my full attention to what is being said about ’cause and effect’, but don’t waste my time unless you are also willing to provide serious solutions that include all nations. If ‘Peak Oil’ came over the horizon next week it would sure smarten up people who beak off about climate change without understanding the impact on a world without oil.
If things get really grim I may borrow Fishman’s 1971 Buick Skylark 350 and do a Thelma and Louise off Smashed In Buffalo Jump. Exit…. ‘Alberta Style’.
Mercy.

#49 Doug t on 11.26.19 at 6:20 pm

12000 years ago = Agricultural Revolution
500 years ago = Scientific Revolution
200 years ago = Industrial Revolution
Right now the human race needs a Social Revolution – but history records humans as a “lemming” mentality – so not looking so good

#50 Kurt on 11.26.19 at 6:24 pm

#3 Dave on 11.26.19 at 4:30 pm

No, Richmond will not flood. The Province of British Columbia will foot the bill for raising and extending the dike, and for the additional pumping capacity. There may be additional work required to reduce the permeability of the subsoil. Adaptation is a thing, and we need to get used to it. If you live in Ditchmond, start asking council about the planning. As your MLA as well. We don’t need for your community to end up like New Orleans, but I have no standing – you’ll have to argue on your own behalf.

#51 Gravy Train on 11.26.19 at 6:25 pm

Donald J. Trump just threw Rudy Giuliani under the bus. Too funny! :)

#52 Yanniel on 11.26.19 at 6:25 pm

“ So why would you ever birth a child today?“ Someone has to fix this mess. As José Martí said: “ los niños son la esperanza del mundo”.

#53 saskatoon on 11.26.19 at 6:31 pm

garth,

at least call climate change by its proper name: it’s GEO-ENGINEERING.

check out the unnatural strange cloud formations and jet contrails that spread out and haze the entire sky lately?

here’s a list of hundreds of weather modification patents going back to 1891:

https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/

#54 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 6:31 pm

#23 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm
Dang, does this mean I have to sell my Silverado
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I’m with Cowtown. Unfortunately, Cowtown is just lying about those Ukrainian carbon credits. However, I offer you 100% real, highly valuable southern Antarctic carbon credits that you can actually take to the bank and use to offset your planet destroying rainwater run off.

Let your conscious be your guide Ronaldo!

#55 not 1st on 11.26.19 at 6:33 pm

What a bunch of blatant scaremongering garbage.

Remember this is the same UN who put Saudi Arabia in charge of the human rights council.

They have never been right about anything. There is no climate change beyond the natural variations of the planet.

I guess my kids will inherit an empty planet with out SJW liberals who chose to off themselves. Sounds great.

#56 AGuyInVancouver on 11.26.19 at 6:34 pm

#16 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 4:58 pm
This whole climate change hoax was originated and funded by the Russians and the Chinese. They want to be #1 and they can’t do it economically or militarily so they are getting us to destroy ourselves economically and industrially so they can take over. Their plan is working.
_ _ _
You simply must tell me where you bought that delightful aluminium chapeau you’re wearing.

#57 Asterix1 on 11.26.19 at 6:37 pm

TORONTO STAR: “Home prices in Toronto will jump 6 per cent next year, report says“

It’s all quotes and a BS report from Re/Max!!!

Is there anyone to protect Canadian consumers from the media and RE industry? Is no one shocked by such flagrant lies and manipulation?

#58 Don Guillermo on 11.26.19 at 6:37 pm

Given increased storms, floods and wild fires, some regions will be deemed uninsurable.
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Oops, no increase in natural disasters. Increase in economics costs though.

https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters.

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#1 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 4:23 pm
To be followed by a carbon tax on pets. The pet flatulence tax. People starving in Africa. Pets farting all over the place. Cats and dogs, horses and hamsters. Budgies. It is the only right thing to do. Just wait and see
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Pets have carbon footprints of SUV’s and nobody cares. Interesting that.

#59 RWZM on 11.26.19 at 6:40 pm

“College tuition for an undergrad is expected to increase to over $250,000 in 20-30 years.”

Then that’s a lot of money that’ll be paid by a lot of stupid people in the future. School is worth a few grand a year, maybe a bit more since the value of their prime real estate keep going up up up.

I’ve got STEM degrees and I could’ve learned it all from books plus a few months worth of labs and office hours. In fact I did. If you’re taking liberal arts, Southie Matt Damon gets more correct with every year that goes by.

It’s ironic that the hardest left-wing people who hate classism, oppression, and the rich soaking the poor… don’t question anything about selling their organs to Universities.

#60 Shawn Allen on 11.26.19 at 6:41 pm

GEO ENGINEEING?

#53 saskatoon on 11.26.19 at 6:31 pm shouted:

garth,

at least call climate change by its proper name: it’s GEO-ENGINEERING.

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No, it’s Climate Emergency. Try to keep up.

#61 john m on 11.26.19 at 6:42 pm

Wow!..off grid living is sounding better all the time :)

#62 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:46 pm

#40 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:56 pm
@Sunshowers, I wonder if those who adamantly deny that scientists know what they are talking about regarding the threat of man-made climate change, also argue with their family physician when told they have cancer or some other disease.

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What is your one best argument for man made climate change? Not a laundry list of twenty arguments, but your single best one.

If I can show you where it’s wrong are you willing to change your mind?

#63 Sockeyemoon on 11.26.19 at 6:48 pm

Whether you believe in climate change or not, the insurance industry is likely going to raise their fees too. Look at Fort Mac. This is the biggest residential insurance claim in Canadian history. A bit more “bad weather” and these companies will go under unless they get more out of you and me. So, as the saying goes “either way your a loser Colletti”

#64 Don Guillermo on 11.26.19 at 6:51 pm

#49 Doug t on 11.26.19 at 6:20 pm
12000 years ago = Agricultural Revolution
500 years ago = Scientific Revolution
200 years ago = Industrial Revolution
Right now the human race needs a Social Revolution – but history records humans as a “lemming” mentality – so not looking so good

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Maybe poke around this web site and grab some optimism.

https://www.humanprogress.org

“Meticulously created and managed, HumanProgress.org is a free, innovative website that steadily follows and documents the forward march of human progress. This site closes the gap between the often pessimistic public perception and a more optimistic reality, and is a comprehensive research tool that provides data in an easily accessible manner,” Eric Barrier, Michigan Standard.

#65 Dogman01 on 11.26.19 at 6:56 pm

#36 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:37 pm

In Calgary you pay a waste water charge, they simply take what you use in metered water and then charge you again…pretty slick.
Even if you water the lawn and it evaporates…..

The other trick is Enmax, city owned utility. They throw in a dog-breakfast of fees on that bill so it does not look like a Tax. Garbage collection seems to be done by city trucks but on the Enmax bill.

43 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 5:59 pm
Yes – stay slippery and difficult

Liquid, mobile, international. It is not what you carry but what carries you.

#66 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:57 pm

#54 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 6:31 pm
#23 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm
Dang, does this mean I have to sell my Silverado
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I’m with Cowtown. Unfortunately, Cowtown is just lying about those Ukrainian carbon credits. However, I offer you 100% real, highly valuable southern Antarctic carbon credits that you can actually take to the bank and use to offset your planet destroying rainwater run off.

Let your conscious be your guide Ronaldo!

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Damn! Antarctic carbon credits!! I see you your Antarctic carbon credits and raise you 2 Venusian carbon credits. Hah! Take that!

#67 Reximus on 11.26.19 at 6:58 pm

so ‘get off my lawn’…basically from the usual crowd

#68 ImGonnaBeSick on 11.26.19 at 7:06 pm

Here is a good article from Forbes using a bit of common sense rather than hysterics when dealing with the different climate change discussions. Reminds me a lot of Scott Adams’ letter to the children about climate change.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/11/25/why-everything-they-say-about-climate-change-is-wrong/#60ea50eb12d6

We could always just shut down the internet… It contributes 4% of all carbon emissions… A couple Canadas worth… I’d be fine with 95% of it gone. Mr. Garth’s blog excluded, of course…

#69 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 7:10 pm

#38 Tater on 11.26.19 at 5:51 pm

How very Christian of you!

When you make stupid statements about the efficacy of hard work as a treatment for addiction based on your Sky Daddy beliefs, it makes as much sense as telling someone with cancer that they just need to mow the lawn and they’ll be right as rain.

And yep, I’m the sort of ******* who will call that sort of nonsense out every time. You are free to believe what ever you want, but lets have actual science dictate policy
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That one stung didn’t it?

I can tell, because your entire retort is based on false premises.

Nowhere did I claim to be a Christian, and at no point did I connect the value of work and exercise WRT addiction to spirituality.

But don’t get me wrong dude, I don’t blame you a bit – because if you had to acquiesce to my actual posted assertions, you’d have a hell of a time making a coherent argument, right? Then you’d have to endure the sting in silence. Tough one, I totally get it.

Hey, we’ve all had to usurp some dudes assertions and replace them with fabricated ones at some point in order to take the high ground. No biggie.

If you’d like to speak to what was actually posted, I’m all ears.

#70 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 7:12 pm

Here’s my best argument against man made climate change:

All climate scientists acknowledge that there is a gap between IPCC CO2 model predicions and actual real world temperatures. To close that gap the scientists computer model in a “temperature forcing” by CO2.

But no evidence of this forcing mechanism has ever been found, tested or experimentally verified. Anyone who found it would certainly deserve a Nobel Prize.

If anyone can explain to me where this experiment has been conducted, repeated and verified I would change my mind.

Easy Peasy. Find the experiment that underpins all of the CO2 argument and I’ll change my mind.

#71 Not positive ... but ... on 11.26.19 at 7:17 pm

I thought all new builds in Van had to have their run off water stay on the lot. Anybody know for sure?

#72 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 7:21 pm

@#1 Yukon Elvis
“The pet flatulence tax. ”
++++
Whoa there big fella!
You cant be serious.
Taxing the last free God given pleasure a man on an elevator has?

Philistine.

#73 Deltablues on 11.26.19 at 7:23 pm

Where have you been. Sold an estate property back in 2010 near San Francisco where there was a water tax for usage and a tax to rid the property for excess water.

#74 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 11.26.19 at 7:26 pm

“Climate change levies will be coming hard and fast over the next few years.”–Garth

REMEMBER that BAD BEHAVIOUR can have BAD CONSEQUENCES.

The SCAM TAXES certainly could come hard and fast.

People who are STUPID enough to fall for man-made-climate-nonsense should have to pay for their stupidity.

People who are IGNORANT enough to believe in man-made-climate-nonsense should have to pay for their ignorance with cash, debit, or credit card.

People who are CORRUPT enough to vote for man-made-climate-nonsense should have to pay for their corruption with some sort of monetary penalty.

People who are so IMMORAL that they join the mindless cult of man-made-climate-nonsense should have to pay for their immorality by freezing in the dark.

People who are so WICKED that they clamour after the new false religion of man-made-climate-nonsense should have to pay for their wickedness by becoming extinct.

For sure, the man-made-climate-nonsense mob fully deserves to be fooled, to be frightened, to be worried, to be taxed endlessly, to freeze in the dark, and to become extinct.

The only thing to be concerned about is all the beautiful, INNOCENT deniers, Trump supporters, honest 3% of scientists, nationalists, patriots, xenophobes, so-called “bigots,” so-called “racists,” and other slandered people who could end up being taxed too along with all the BAD people who really do deserve it. Unfortunately, all the SCAM TAXES could become yet another case of bad things happening to good people too.

#75 Deplorable Dude on 11.26.19 at 7:27 pm

#3 Dave…..”I live in Richmond BC and we are below sea level…so are we going to disappear in the water like Jakarta?”

I doubt it. Your nearest sea level gauge is showing a nominal linear level rise of 0.17 ft in the last 100 years.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=822-071

My local gauge in Campbell River has recorded a half drop in sea level in the last century.

I challenge anyone to go on the NOAA website and find a sea level gauge anywhere that shows an ACCELERATING level rise beyond the standard linear rise trend of the last century.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/05/30-years-of-noaa-tide-gauge-data-debunk-1988-senate-hearing-climate-alarmist-claims/

#76 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 7:28 pm

@#10 Eaglebay
“I don’t know if I should cry or move to China. This is so stupid. They’re already taxing the air that we breathe. There is no evidence that the climate is changing for the worse. No CO2, no life. Some things have to change.”

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yes, you should move to China to breathe their smog…

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/2166542/air-pollution-killing-1-million-people-and-costing-chinese

Or better yet ….. India where 11 of the top 12 most polluted cities in the world are……

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17316978/india-pollution-levels-air-delhi-health

Send us a post card

#77 joblo on 11.26.19 at 7:35 pm

“And count on overwhelming support from the largest voting demographic, those who believed in a shared economy and jazz hands.”

Tax credits for those with man buns…very absorbent

#78 Robert Ash on 11.26.19 at 7:35 pm

RE Sunshowers and BlackDog… I am a Scientist, University of Guelph, Professional Scientist… according to the Ethics Review… I would only Encourage an open and Public Review of the Science as of today… If other Scientists… like Dr. Tim Ball PHD, Canadian Meterologist, aggressively document that most of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change have never had Peer to Peer reviews, or are not Willing to exchange their Computer software modelling techniques.. then as Scientists you can recognise, a considerable concern, in arriving at Scientific, conclusions… I have always, suggested we monitor and control Pollution. But to change our whole Economic model, with out a re examination, of the Science is not really prudent logic… In my opinion we need more discussion, and Canadian Scientists, to document, and let’s put some of those Thesis to Test… let’s prove them now… and stop talking.. and Canadian Scientists.. Not from Norway, or Denmark… OK Boomer!

#79 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 7:35 pm

@#36 Ronaldo
“Ok, so if I set up rain barrels like we did back on the farm and capture the water and then use it to water my garden and for washing clothes and any other environmentally sound purpose, would I be excluded from the tax?”
******

EXCELLENT comment.
Every year in the Lower Brainland we have “water rationing” in the Summer.
Cant water your lawn, cant wash your car, blah, blah blah.
Yet.
ALL the municipalities rake in millions in building permits and property taxes….
And now they want to “tax rain”….to make us “conserve”.
If they were really worried about water shortages they could, with the stroke of a pen” legislate underground cisterns on every new building permit that pops up…..
Think about it.
New homes would be requiredd to install underground ( or above ground) water tanks that could be used for lawns, gardens, cars, fires?
But no.
They would rather tax and tax and tax ….the environment be damned.

#80 Mary Thompson on 11.26.19 at 7:36 pm

This is nothing new. Thieves come in many forms and people are so stupid these days thieves are laughing all the way to the bank.

People don’t get it, the shotgun approach does not work anymore. You need to hit people with many little increases not just one bigger one. They can’t steal as much with only one or a few tax, levy, fee or other thievery.

They tried into impose an extra $300+ a year annual garbage tax in Niagara Falls U.S.A. but they could not force it down their throat so they had to show that with a bigger property tax increase but the city did not like that option as I stated above why they don’t like that option.

#81 fishman on 11.26.19 at 7:37 pm

Van town city hall just announced 8% hike in taxes. The uber leftist city councillor statement was that taxes hadn’t been raised in a few years & the city had to “catch up”. I swear thats what she said on CBC, “catch up”. Its hopeless explaining to her my taxes on business/ residential have doubled in 9 years. By the rule of 72 that means 8%/year. The increases are based on assessment so they come in tranches not yearly, but still 8%/yr compounded. So they got you coming & going. The lefties controlling city hall wouldn’t know the difference between wealth & cash flow if it landed on their heads.
The silly alderwomen also stated that city needs the increase for climate change & housing (subsidized). Oh, by the way, out here in leftist land we’ve been taxed for our parking spaces (in my case in the back) by the sq/ft on our already taxed commercial properties ever since google earth came on the scene.
Our Fearless Leader got this one right. If you got assets representing wealth that can’t be moved or hidden too bad. I tried to sneak a few ideas past the master on how to compensate , but, you know, not quite kosher. You’ll have to find a wriggle worm hole on your own.

#82 oh bouy on 11.26.19 at 7:38 pm

@#55 not 1st on 11.26.19 at 6:33 pm
What a bunch of blatant scaremongering garbage.

Remember this is the same UN who put Saudi Arabia in charge of the human rights council.

They have never been right about anything. There is no climate change beyond the natural variations of the planet.

I guess my kids will inherit an empty planet with out SJW liberals who chose to off themselves. Sounds great.
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lol, you have kids?

#83 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 7:39 pm

#56 AGuyInVancouver on 11.26.19 at 6:34 pm
#16 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 4:58 pm
This whole climate change hoax was originated and funded by the Russians and the Chinese. They want to be #1 and they can’t do it economically or militarily so they are getting us to destroy ourselves economically and industrially so they can take over. Their plan is working.
_ _ _
You simply must tell me where you bought that delightful aluminium chapeau you’re wearing.
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It was a gift from my Amish friends. They are teaching me to drive a horse and buggy, use a spinning wheel, make beeswax candles and clay pots, and stare off into space. How are you preparing ?

#84 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 7:39 pm

#40 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:56 pm
@Sunshowers, I wonder if those who adamantly deny that scientists know what they are talking about regarding the threat of man-made climate change, also argue with their family physician when told they have cancer or some other disease.
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That’s a pretty crummy analogy. Cancer is a well defined short term event. We’ve diagnosed it millions of times, and have had the ability to see it through to the end in almost every conceivable variation. No one argues with their doc about a cancer diagnosis.

This is the first time around with Climate Change. Scientists say it is man made, and I tend to agree. Carbon levels are increasing, and it’s hard to imagine that our use of underground sequestered carbon as fuel has not played a role in it.

But where is it all headed? What will become of humanity and civilization? That is not scientifically determinable. We’ve not been here before. We’ve not seen it thru to the end.

A poster mentioned recently that we will adapt. If any organism in the history of the planet is well suited to adapting, it is us. Better than bacteria, better than cockroaches. No one is talking about how we might adapt to CC, even though it is relatively assured that we will given our history of conquering the entire planet. We have prospered in the face of all that the planet has ever thrown at us, and we are now more numerous than we have ever been.

Some food for thought:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-may-be-most-adaptive-species/

#85 Flop... on 11.26.19 at 7:42 pm

You guys keep this up I’m gonna have to quit my job.

How else is a guy supposed to keep up with the seven petty pissing matches currently going on here?

Can’t blame an election.

Maybe there is one underway in Bangladesh or something, that could be it.

Hang on, I know, I know.

Tis the season.

To be cranky, apparently…

M45BC

“Visualizing How Much Americans Spend on Holidays.

Winter is the season for sleigh rides, chestnuts roasting on an open fire–and lots of holiday shopping. Holiday spending in November and December has seen a dramatic upswing since the 2008 recession. But how does spending for the winter holidays like Christmas stack up against spending for other holidays and events throughout the year? That’s the subject of our latest visualization.

The winter holidays are the most expensive time of the year and 63% of Americans feel the pressure to overspend.

In 2018, Americans collectively spent $6.2 billion on Black Friday and $7.9 billion on Cyber Monday alone.

Retail sales in November and December are projected to increase between 3.8 percent and 4.2 percent in 2019, reaching between $727.9 billion and $730.7 billion.

Compared to 2018, most major holidays throughout the year saw an increase in spending per consumer in 2019. The exceptions were Halloween (decrease from $86.79 to $86.27) and Independence Day (decrease from $75.35 to $73.33).”

Top 10 Events by Average Planned Spending

1. Winter Holidays: $1,048
2. Back to College: $977
3. Back to School: $697
4. Mother’s Day: $196
5. Valentine’s Day: $162
6. Easter: $151
7. Father’s Day: $139
8. Graduation: $107
9. Halloween: $86
10. Super Bowl: $81

https://howmuch.net/articles/top-shopping-holidays-america

#86 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 7:42 pm

#72 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 7:21 pm
@#1 Yukon Elvis
“The pet flatulence tax. ”
++++
Whoa there big fella!
You cant be serious.
Taxing the last free God given pleasure a man on an elevator has?

Philistine
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That methane is a killer!

#87 Sold Out on 11.26.19 at 7:44 pm

#7 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:43 pm
#103 Sold Out on 11.26.19 at 1:41 pm
#87 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 11:37 am
#87 Sold Out on 11.26.19 at 10:41 am

I love seeing all these “smaller government ” types here suggesting that homeless drug addicts be required to work for their keep. They must envision some dystopian system of enforcement, probably involving no actual exchange of currency, because that will just enable drug use, but providing a bare minimum of food and communal shelter under the watchful gaze of their moral betters.
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La-la land.

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Well, rarely have I been the target of such a well-balanced, reasoned, and nuanced rebuttal!

This, from a guy pontificating from his homemade, backwoods pulpit. I suspect that if one cared to look up ‘insular’ in a dictionary, we would know what you look like.

Yeah, what do I know? I only spent 20+ years resuscitating, counselling, finding treatment for, and working alongside, the addicted in the world’s biggest open air mental facility.
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How much more were you expecting me to say to guy who took half a sentence out of an entire post, and turned it into a paragraph long monologue of left wing angst regarding what “small government types” “must envision” – none of which was posted?

We can discuss your 20 years of working with the addicted once you come back to earth and rejoin us little people.

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Well, I didn’t directly address that comment to you, but you chose to respond to my liberal dog-whistle (only smaller government types can hear it :) I can understand the defensiveness though; while quite irreligious myself, I don’t feel that mocking those who are is fair game.

#88 Feebate on 11.26.19 at 7:45 pm

Coming everywhere.

#89 Ok Garth on 11.26.19 at 7:48 pm

But how can capitalists make all that money for shareholders on greaterfool if we have to worry about the climate?

#90 tccontrarian on 11.26.19 at 7:50 pm

I had my own kind of Climate ‘Emergency’ yesterday:

I was changing over to my winter tires and my jack collapsed while changing the 4th wheel. Now I’m only 3/4 protected against … slippage. I will be pissed if it doesn’t snow this winter (YVR region).

tcc

#91 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 7:51 pm

#66 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:57 pm
#54 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 6:31 pm
#23 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:17 pm
Dang, does this mean I have to sell my Silverado
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I’m with Cowtown. Unfortunately, Cowtown is just lying about those Ukrainian carbon credits. However, I offer you 100% real, highly valuable southern Antarctic carbon credits that you can actually take to the bank and use to offset your planet destroying rainwater run off.

Let your conscious be your guide Ronaldo!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Damn! Antarctic carbon credits!! I see you your Antarctic carbon credits and raise you 2 Venusian carbon credits. Hah! Take that!
—-

Crap!

I can’t top that! Ronaldo, best just give that sweet Silverado to Cowtown.

(Cowtown, after you take receipt of Ron’s truck, can I interest you in some genuine, and quite rare Kyoto Flexible Mechanisms? These are increasing in value by the day!)

#92 Think things through on 11.26.19 at 7:51 pm

This post is ignoring the fact that all this infrastructure is being paid for as it is through your water rates. So it’s not so much a new tax as a correction. After all, who deserves to pay more for stormwater infrastructure, someone in a normal single family home that has an efficient toilet and washer and dryer, or a shopping mall with a huge paved surface that results in runoff? It makes sense to associate the cost with the production of the problem.

#93 Rexx Rock on 11.26.19 at 7:55 pm

No big deal.So what if new taxes come every year along with our currency devaluing.We are Canadians ,we can take it.May move to Mexico 8 months then off to Bali,Thailand and Vietnam for the 4 months.My living expenses are $850 to $1100 a month.Thank God I don’t have children or I’d be stuck in Canada.

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

So much cluelessness, so little time.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a natural and beneficial constituent of the atmosphere

So is water. But we don’t survive very well in it. If you weigh 100lbs (90kilos) a 0.00025Kg dose of Tylenol can cure a headache. That’s science. But you don’t believe a 1% increase in Carbon can affect the planet. Also science.

Even more, burning wood is carbon neutral. If you take the ash and residual char and bury it (in your veggie garden for instance – great fertilizer), then you are carbon negative

Trump ordering the EPA to declare burning wood to be carbon neural doesn’t make it true. It will take hundreds of years for the surviving trees to re-absorb the Co2 your burning released into the atmosphere. I assume you planted a replacement tree to do that, right? And during that hundred years, the CO2 sits in the atmosphere doing damage. Oops. We can burn trees much fast than we can grow them.

All climate scientists acknowledge that there is a gap between IPCC CO2 model predicions and actual real world temperatures.

Which IPCC model are you referring to? They track over 40, from all over the world, with widly different data, models and theories. And guess what? each iteration of each model gets better:

The latest The ability of climate models to simulate surface temperature has improved in many, though not all, important aspects relative to the generation of models assessed in the AR4. There continues to be very high confidence1 that models reproduce observed large-scale mean surface temperature patterns (pattern correlation of ~0.99), though systematic errors of several degrees are found in some
regions, particularly over high topography, near the ice edge in the North Atlantic, and over regions of ocean upwelling near the equator. On regional scales (sub-continental and smaller), the confidence in model capability to simulate surface temperature is less than for the larger scales; however, regional biases are near zero on average, with intermodel spread of roughly ±3°C. There is high confidence that regional-scale surface temperature is better simulated than at the time of the AR4. Current models are also able to reproduce the large-scale patterns of temperature during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), indicating an ability to simulate a climate state much different from the present. {9.4.1, 9.6.1, Figures 9.2, 9.6, 9.39, 9.40}

See table 9.1 in the latest IPPC Evaluation of Climate Models Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 for the models included. It’s on page 748. Can’t miss it. What’s my prize?

#95 Steven Rowlandson on 11.26.19 at 7:58 pm

Make real estate worthless, cheap and easy for anyone with a job to buy and live at the same time and these silly taxes won’t matter.

#96 Gravy Train on 11.26.19 at 8:01 pm

#64 Don Guillermo on 11.26.19 at 6:51 pm
“Maybe poke around this web site and grab some optimism.”
https://www.humanprogress.org

Check out the Munk debate, “Be it resolved, humankind’s best days lie ahead…” PRO: Steven Pinker, Matt Ridley. CON: Alain de Botton, Malcolm Gladwell.
https://munkdebates.com/debates/progress

#97 Remembrancer on 11.26.19 at 8:03 pm

#2 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:30 pm
#99 oh bouy on 11.26.19 at 1:07 pm
@#39 IHCTD9 on 11.25.19 at 9:13 pm
__________________________________
Seriously, depending on your world view, and how you have decided to frame me based on what you read here – you might have a stroke if you knew the “real me”…
—————————————————–
Don’t know IRL, but actually Corinthians fits well with the profile you’ve espoused here…

#98 Danny T. on 11.26.19 at 8:16 pm

Toronto Hydro charge me a 3.760% electricity loss factor for years now.

#99 Nonplused on 11.26.19 at 8:19 pm

What a bunch of clap-trap. There haven’t been any “abnormal” weather events of which they speak. Flooding happens every so many years and always have. And sewer systems are designed to handle a certain level of rain before they back up and just kind of let the water out as they will. Always have. It’s too expensive to design for a 1 in 100 year storm. And it doesn’t work anyway, all it would do is move the flood further downstream. Overland storage of water during extreme rains is part of how the system is designed.

I can’t believe anyone falls for this stuff, or that the “tax everything” folks are brazen enough to think people will fall for it. They don’t need new pipes unless they are building new communities. The costs should be on the developers. Existing owners already paid for all the pipe they need.

Maybe the cities do need to replace the pipes because the infrastructure is crumbling. Fine then raise property taxes. Don’t give me some phony baloney about climate change. Even if it rains more often due to climate change, the pipes will still work. They only get used when it’s raining.

At least they won’t be able to hit me with such a silly tax. All that happened during the 2013 flooding is that my neighbor and I ended up with a shallow pond in our lower acres. Our rain water is held on the surface until it evaporates or leaches into the ground.

#100 Long-Time Lurker on 11.26.19 at 8:26 pm

Nothing will ever top my “Yabba Dabba Doo!” comment. I think I’ve reached the pinnacle of my possible achievements here on The Greater Fool. I feel like I should retire at the top…

Nah!

#101 Long-Time Lurker on 11.26.19 at 8:26 pm

The government is going to own everything in Vancouver if they impose a rain tax here.

#102 Long-Time Lurker on 11.26.19 at 8:28 pm

>From 2012.

49 Former NASA Scientists Send A Letter Disputing Climate Change
Gus Lubin Apr 11, 2012, 4:10 AM

Some prominent voices at NASA are fed up with the agency’s activist stance toward climate change.

The following letter asking the agency to move away from climate models and to limit its stance to what can be empirically proven, was sent by 49 former NASA scientists and astronauts.

The letter criticizes the Goddard Institute For Space Studies especially, where director Jim Hansen and climatologist Gavin Schmidt have been outspoken advocates for action.

The press release with attached letter is below.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Blanquita Cullum 703-307-9510 bqview at mac.com

Joint letter to NASA Administrator blasts agency’s policy of ignoring empirical evidence

HOUSTON, TX – April 10, 2012.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for it’s role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.

The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, are dismayed over the failure of NASA, and specifically the Goddard Institute For Space Studies (GISS), to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change. They charge that NASA is relying too heavily on complex climate models that have proven scientifically inadequate in predicting climate only one or two decades in advance.

H. Leighton Steward, chairman of the non-profit Plants Need CO2, noted that many of the former NASA scientists harbored doubts about the significance of the C02-climate change theory and have concerns over NASA’s advocacy on the issue. While making presentations in late 2011 to many of the signatories of the letter, Steward realized that the NASA scientists should make their concerns known to NASA and the GISS.

“These American heroes – the astronauts that took to space and the scientists and engineers that put them there – are simply stating their concern over NASA’s extreme advocacy for an unproven theory,” said Leighton Steward. “There’s a concern that if it turns out that CO2 is not a major cause of climate change, NASA will have put the reputation of NASA, NASA’s current and former employees, and even the very reputation of science itself at risk of public ridicule and distrust.”

Select excerpts from the letter:

“The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.”

“We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated.”

“We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject.”….

https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4

#103 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 8:29 pm

#97 Remembrancer on 11.26.19 at 8:03 pm
#2 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 4:30 pm
#99 oh bouy on 11.26.19 at 1:07 pm
@#39 IHCTD9 on 11.25.19 at 9:13 pm
__________________________________
Seriously, depending on your world view, and how you have decided to frame me based on what you read here – you might have a stroke if you knew the “real me”…
—————————————————–
Don’t know IRL, but actually Corinthians fits well with the profile you’ve espoused here…
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How so?

#104 genbizx on 11.26.19 at 8:37 pm

My parents always had a garden…not for “organic” smuggery but to provide food we needed and to save money. Composting was not something you read about in glossy pamphlet written by some overpaid hack on the taxpayer dime but something you just did as a matter of course. We saved containers because it made sense, not because we could get a public pat on the back for being a planet saviour. My parents sum lifetime carbon footprint is far below most I’m sure (wonder how many high carbon ski, canoe etc. trips jtrudeau’s family went on?) and now that they are on a fixed income some high and mighty silver spoon bureaucrats want to make things more expensive for them with a carbon tax!? What a load of Toronto left wing vegan dung. This is the way things work in this deluded , virtue signalling kingdom. It’s not that we shouldn’t be responsible with the earth. It’s that the loudest voices for climate saving are always the ones who have their lives all set and who won’t experience any hardship from any proposed “solutions” And now that climate change is an industry, who could ever provide any contrary view without being labelled?
. The crap is piled so high these days it’s hard to breathe.

#105 PetertheSeparatistfromCalgary on 11.26.19 at 8:41 pm

In 1967 scientist Paul Ehrlich predicted devastating famines by 1975, in 1970 James Lodge Jr of the National Center for Atmospheric Research predicted that pollution would cause a new ice age by 2000.

Scientist have been predicting environmental disaster for decades and yet life seems to be getting better for everyone. Absolute poverty is falling and life expediencies are increasing.

#106 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 8:41 pm

#41 Eaglebay on 11.26.19 at 5:58 pm
Quantum mechanics has next to nothing to do with climate. But I suppose if you want to get pedantic about it, quantum mechanics technically has SOMETHING to do with EVERYTHING, but on such a micro scale that it is irrelevant to the macro effects at hand. What you are doing is like trying to cite a biologist as an authority on dentistry.

#44 Debtslavecreator on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm
This is kind of like saying that because wildfires can be caused by natural things like lightning strikes and dry weather, humans therefore don’t cause wildfires.

#45 GBiddy on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm
Not talking down to anyone, just stating facts. You wouldn’t take actionable medical advice (or recieve medial services) from a layman, because laypeople do not possess the body of specified, objective knowledge to interpret the data.

I have that knowledge, and you do not.

If a doctor tells you that you have cancer, but you (for obvious reasons) REALLY do not want to have cancer, do you call the doctor out of touch with reality? To quote a complete idiot: “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

#62 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:46 pm
If you can falsify the Greenhouse Effect, I will admit that man-made climate change isn’t real.

#84 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 7:39 pm
The greenhouse effect makes it quite clear where increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations will lead.

Humans are extremely good at adapting because we are better able than most other organisms (by a large margin) at altering our surroundings to suit us. Most other organisms needed tens of thousands, if not millions of years to adapt to their changing surroundings. This is ok if that change is gradual, over those tens of thousands to millions of years, which is typically how long NATURAL climate change takes (glaciation cycles, solar cycles, etc). We don’t have that long now. Sure, HUMANS could probably survive climate change (though there would be millions of casualties), but what about the rest of the ecosystem? Plants? Animals? Insects? Microbes? They can’t adapt fast enough, and without them, we’re going to be much worse off.

#96 Gravy Train on 11.26.19 at 8:01 pm
Malcolm Gladwell singlehandedly won that debate with a single point.

“The idea that because things have gotten better in the past they will continue to do so in the future is a fallacy I would have thought confined to the lower reaches of Wall Street.”

#107 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:42 pm

@#85 Flop
“chestnuts roasting on an open fire…”
+++++

I can honestly say….in my 58 years on this planet….. I and no one I know…. has ever eaten roasted chestnuts…..
In my impetuous youth I may have thrown some (like a major league baseball pitcher)at passing cars and run like the coward that I truly am…. but I digress.

Has anyone out there in blogdog land eaten roasted chestnuts?
And did they need salt?
P.S. Do they give you ….the vapours?

#108 cowtown cowboy on 11.26.19 at 8:49 pm

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#109 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:49 pm

@#86 IHCTD9
“That methane is a killer!”
*****

It depends on where you’re standing….
An issue dear to my heart…..

Apparently there is an organic remedy scientists are working on but they cant decide on a name for the cow fart cure…..

https://grist.org/article/the-answer-to-climate-killing-cow-farts-may-come-from-the-sea/

I propose…..
Bessy’s Butt Burps Begone !

#110 Calgary retiree on 11.26.19 at 8:53 pm

For all your conspiracy seeking, science hating, climate change deniers, I have a graph that explains it all. Straight from the folks who faked the moon landing…

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

#111 not 1st on 11.26.19 at 8:54 pm

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

NASA says the models need a hundredfold improvement to even begin to be relied on.

Its all garbage by egg head scientists who couldn’t get hired on for real R&D at a real company so they hide out in academia and govt.

No scientist worth his mettle would identify a problem then go to an economist and devise a tax for it. You people have been scammed.

#112 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 8:56 pm

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

Trump ordering the EPA to declare burning wood to be carbon neural doesn’t make it true. It will take hundreds of years for the surviving trees to re-absorb the Co2 your burning released into the atmosphere. I assume you planted a replacement tree to do that, right? And during that hundred years, the CO2 sits in the atmosphere doing damage. Oops. We can burn trees much fast than we can grow them.
———-

Trump did that? Should not have had to. Any living organism above land and water is part of the active carbon cycle. It does not matter if I burn the tree, or if the tree lives, dies, and falls over to decay. All of the C02 needed to produce said organism will return to the atmosphere in some fraction.

I have planted about 40-50 trees on my 4 acres, so I guess I am good for a bit. If it comes to pass that burning wood becomes my primary heat source, much of the carbon will in fact be sequestered in our flower gardens and veggie garden, so a good chunk of the C02 will be taken out of the active carbon cycle for good, or at least until I eat it in the form of a tomato or cucumber. But, hey – that all eventually ends up in the septic field underground in turn getting eaten by microbes – so I’m good!

I should point out that not all trees take hundreds of years to grow either – far from it. Maybe I should burn pelletized straw – that would kick the hell right out of that argument eh?

Besides, there is no law of physics that says a unit of carbon released from a tree, must then be absorbed by another tree. It would do just as well feeding your lawn, or your neighbour’s pot plants.

Not to mention that rural Ontario is greening up. The old agrarian way of life is about done, and long fallow fields have been growing up for decades now. Any dude that like to ATV can tell you about the old fence lines running through mature forests with 12”+ trunks. Old semi-collapsed Cedar rails and stone piles running for kilometres thru the bush. This was corn, oats, etc.. at one time, now it is forest. This process still continues.

Burning wood. People in Canada need heat. Have you got a better lower C02 idea? Propane maybe? How about furnace oil or LNG?

Let me know what you think!

#113 not 1st on 11.26.19 at 8:58 pm

Want to stop the earth from frying, then stop globalization. Stop shipping resources around the world in return for plastic landfill junk.

The cargo ships at sea emit more CO2 than all the cars in the world.

Go tackle a real problem instead of grannies trying to heat their apartments.

#114 Duffy on 11.26.19 at 9:03 pm

It all comes down to correlation, the location of X and an increase in taxation, it’s pretty basic.

#115 Armpit on 11.26.19 at 9:05 pm

Let’s see…. they tax a sewer charge for water used for lawns/gardens, even though they don’t enter the sewers.

Now they want to tax the rain from God? Holy Thunder! God will be might peed off!
When that happens, I’m going to run like Lot.

“But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.” Luke 17:29

#116 Jimbo on 11.26.19 at 9:07 pm

It’s all about commoditizing the environment. We are at the first step. Sell fear.

Some people are going to become very very rich at the IPCC.

#117 Gramps on 11.26.19 at 9:08 pm

Since we are on this climate change topic;
2 questions; 1- apparently Mars is getting warmer, could the
sun be putting out more heat?
And 2- I feel cooler on a cloudy day. How come the cloud doesn’t insulate me and keep me warmer?
I don’t want to come off as rude/ignorant, just thinking someone here could explain
Thanks

#118 Andrewski on 11.26.19 at 9:14 pm

https://www.axios.com/climate-change-home-insurance-f07655b5-969f-4523-8042-c546ca997801.html

#119 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 9:19 pm

#93 Rexx Rock on 11.26.19 at 7:55 pm
No big deal.So what if new taxes come every year along with our currency devaluing.We are Canadians ,we can take it.May move to Mexico 8 months then off to Bali,Thailand and Vietnam for the 4 months.My living expenses are $850 to $1100 a month.Thank God I don’t have children or I’d be stuck in Canada.
……………………………

Philippines is good too. English is widely spoken. Bali, Thailand, Vietnam not so much. Makes a yuuuge difference.

#120 TurnerNation on 11.26.19 at 9:21 pm

This might explain the BC bubble
Proof this is all a scam check this the actual bad stuff they Could stop but Won’t. Culling the herd is its purpose on this tax farm we live.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/forest-fires-glyphosate-1.5366185

“Meanwhile, much of the Canadian forestry industry is doing the opposite, spraying thousands of hectares of public forest with glyphosate each year to promote profitable coniferous growth, and eliminate hardwood species like aspen and birch.

The primary ingredient in the Monsanto-made herbicide Roundup, glyphosate has been under scrutiny in both agriculture and forestry for years. It remains widely used, because while softwood species like pine and spruce can tolerate a certain dosage of the chemical, glyphosate can be effective in eliminating the growth of hardwood trees for decades.”

#121 Paul on 11.26.19 at 9:28 pm

Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall,

No parking no cars, screw it.

#122 Mr Canada on 11.26.19 at 9:33 pm

If Canada dropped its CO2 to ZERO tomorrow, China would make up the difference in 18 months. Politicians are now borrowing T2’s vocabulary by “asking” the very well off, now deemed to be homeowners to pay for the rain. Isn’t that nice – meanwhile in Burlington Ontario the Mayor commented last week her vision for 100 years is to have all private waterfront property around Ontario as a public trail — confiscation for the nation ! Welcome Fellow Comrades!

#123 Tyberius on 11.26.19 at 9:37 pm

Co2 can’t possibly be the main driver in climate changes. It’s too small a factor. Besides, it’s shown to be a laggard, not a leading indicator.
It has been shown that one important factor in the concentration of atmospheric Co2, is the temperature of the ocean. Simply stated, just as a can of pop will fizz more at room-temperature than a cold one coming out of a fridge, so do the oceans release more Co2 into the atmosphre as they warm.

It follows then, that the main factor in ocean temperature fluctuations is probably the…SUN!

#124 Rexx Rock on 11.26.19 at 9:59 pm

Yukon Elvis is right!

I’ve been there twice.Its great!A beautiful place where the people are nice and respectful.Also its cheap,I forget to mention the Phillippines.Also Malaysia is cheap and awesome!

#125 TC on 11.26.19 at 10:01 pm

When you listen to Government and let them do your thinking for you this what you get. There is no climate problem. Climate change is a lie, a hoax, a hoodwink. It’s not different this time. The planet is fine. We are not sinking into climate hell. They want you to think we are all going over the cliff for their own reasons but all is fine an unfolding as it should. Ignore the alarmists, the crusaders, the protesters, the reporters, the officials, the environmentalists, the activists etc…. they are all damaged goods. Stay far away from them and you will be better off. Whenever you see a crowd or mob gathering in the streets get out of there fast………..go the other way…..leave the scene. Turn away from all of them……they have all lost their way. Continue to keep building and progressing your own lives as far as possible and just let all the other lost souls burn themselves out and then fade away.

#126 End of times on 11.26.19 at 10:06 pm

If this is the end of the world I don’t know why the ppl are talking about free education and universal income. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD. No time for higher education. Instead all young need to be trained in trades to update infrastructure, except our best who will be put into STEM for new technologies and processes. No resources for loafers sitting at home on basic income; is this our second world war moment or not? The biggest polluters are ppl themselves via consumption, so one child policy, and (controvercial alert) immigration needs to go to zero in the West as every person coming into the West from developing nations dramatically increases their carbon footprint. None of that will happen, of course.

#127 IHCTD9 on 11.26.19 at 10:06 pm

#113 not 1st on 11.26.19 at 8:58 pm
Want to stop the earth from frying, then stop globalization. Stop shipping resources around the world in return for plastic landfill junk.

The cargo ships at sea emit more CO2 than all the cars in the world.

Go tackle a real problem instead of grannies trying to heat their apartments
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You know, I’m a pro globalization dude. I recognize that the whole thing amounts to folks a long ways away from me working for 1.00/hr to make stuff for me to buy at 1/10th the cost of what it would be if it were made here in North America. All is well, even if I have to work at Timmies for 14.00 min wage.

But you are right. I followed the whole peak oil thing right up to where it was apparent that US fracking was going to eliminate the supply problem. During that time, I was considering what would become of global trade if oil shot north of 200.00/bbl. I figured China was in for some big issues, it was around that time that they began to build these mega-freighters – biggest the world has ever seen.

Today, container ships account for 90% of global shipping, and one of these things pounds out as much pollution as 50 MILLION cars do. ONE ship.

No EPA regulations are applicable to a Chinese mega freighter, and they are burning bunker oil that that is just a few steps up the column from pavement. These 1/4 mile long beasts eat 16 tons of fuel per hour! The equivalent of 84% of all of Saudi Arabia’s annual output goes into these tanks every year.

These things are an eco horror show, 260x more sulphur oxides emitted by these cargo ships than the worlds’ entire fleet of cars!

Anyway, I guess since the Eco warriors never complain about the cargo ships, I don’t feel so bad about driving my 8.1 litre powered 3/4 ton.

#128 BobC on 11.26.19 at 10:09 pm

This drivel is hard to read. It gets old. There’s no debut because no-one from the climate change group won’t show up and have an honest debut.

https://youtu.be/b8JZo6PzpCU

#129 NoName on 11.26.19 at 10:14 pm

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

Trump ordering the EPA to declare burning wood to be carbon neural doesn’t make it true. It will take hundreds of years for the surviving trees to re-absorb the Co2 your burning released into the atmosphere. I assume you planted a replacement tree to do that, right? And during that hundred years, the CO2 sits in the atmosphere doing damage. Oops. We can burn trees much fast than we can grow them.

Than you’ll find this interesting to read

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

Trump ordering the EPA to declare burning wood to be carbon neural doesn’t make it true. It will take hundreds of years for the surviving trees to re-absorb the Co2 your burning released into the atmosphere. I assume you planted a replacement tree to do that, right? And during that hundred years, the CO2 sits in the atmosphere doing damage. Oops. We can burn trees much fast than we can grow them.

#130 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 10:17 pm

@IDHCT #85 re:

“#40 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:56 pm
@Sunshowers, I wonder if those who adamantly deny that scientists know what they are talking about regarding the threat of man-made climate change, also argue with their family physician when told they have cancer or some other disease.
——

That’s a pretty crummy analogy. Cancer is a well defined short term event. We’ve diagnosed it millions of times, and have had the ability to see it through to the end in almost every conceivable variation. No one argues with their doc about a cancer diagnosis. ”

@HDHCT, I was not trying to compare denying man-made climate change to denying a cancer diagnosis, but rather was comparing rejecting the expertise of a majority of climate scientists to rejecting the expertise of your family physician.

The intent was to insult climate change deniers such as yourself (in a friendly way though), by suggesting that your incessant refusal to accept the expertise of a majority of climate scientists is as dumb as continually refusing to believe your Doctor’s definitive diagnosis (be that cancer or some other condition).

#131 NoName on 11.26.19 at 10:20 pm

#94 -=jwk=- on 11.26.19 at 7:56 pm

This is funny I copied link from chime to edge and edge copies what ever was last in “edges clipboard”…

Here is a link

https://grist.org/climate-energy/europe-is-burning-our-forests-for-renewable-energy-wait-what/

In March 2007, the E.U. adopted climate and energy goals for 2010 to 2020. The 27 member countries set a goal of reducing carbon emissions 20 percent by 2020 and increasing renewables to 20 percent of their energy portfolio. Unfortunately, they underestimated the carbon intensity of burning wood (a.k.a. “biomass”) for electricity, and they categorized wood as a renewable fuel.

#132 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 10:21 pm

@Sunshowers #107

Excellent comeback to all the idiots. Thank you.

#133 Wild Roasted Nutz on 11.26.19 at 10:23 pm

#108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:42 pm

@#85 Flop
“chestnuts roasting on an open fire…”
+++++

I can honestly say….in my 58 years on this planet….. I and no one I know…. has ever eaten roasted chestnuts…..
In my impetuous youth I may have thrown some (like a major league baseball pitcher)at passing cars and run like the coward that I truly am…. but I digress.

Has anyone out there in blogdog land eaten roasted chestnuts?
And did they need salt?
P.S. Do they give you ….the vapours?
….
You have lived a sheltered life….

Delicious………. street food in Portugal….. salt is good

#134 crazyfox on 11.26.19 at 10:28 pm

Thanks for the funny, witty piece Garth. About the only way to put a spin on it really. Interesting points too, on the rain tax (first I heard and what you said, the brain trust of renters and commies) and I especially liked this comment because its already happening:

“Given increased storms, floods and wild fires, some regions will be deemed uninsurable. No insurance, no decades-long mortgage. No mortgage, no market. Prices topple.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/6190783/insurance-premiums-jump-for-some-alta-condo-buildings/

https://finance-commerce.com/2019/11/californias-wildfire-crisis-is-roiling-its-insurance-market/

The unfortunate thing concerning climate change is that a warmer Earth is coming much sooner than most expect. Our eyes need to be on the Arctic to know why this is. The UN can forecast 3.3 degrees in 80 years but the greater reality is that when the Arctic loses its summer ice delaying refreeze and creating earlier melts with one year old winter ice becoming thinner and thinner… the entire northern hemisphere will become much warmer than it is today. Check out the Arctic ocean sea ice volume animations at the 12:30 mark and beyond in the above link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4e-HhztDk

How much warmer? How soon? My best guess after looking at these animations in the above link for a Arctic summer free ice is Sept of 2021 which, btw, the IPCC doesn’t predict to happen in this century even though they predict over 3 degree higher temps globally in 80 years. Considering how much Arctic sea ice volume is left (75%+ ice volume has disappeared already over 40 years, my best guess is we are at well over 80% now) and Arctic amplification (3x to 5x warmer than the global average, depending on the latitude), this simply does not square with what should follow.

Instead of Arctic sea ice temps hovering around zero, we should brace ourselves for 10 degree average Arctic ocean highs by 2025 warming up the atmosphere above close to a full 10 degrees C above these waters in summer and only get warmer with each new year. Add some more GHG’s and the entire northern hemisphere is about to get much warmer coupled with lazy, weakened jet streams, more intense heat waves and rains, particularly in the north and this means much accelerated permafrost and Greenland ice melts. What does this boil down to?

Way more wild fires. Considering how much forest there is in Canada left to burn and what the implications are for real estate where there is a risk of forest fires world wide really, and… well… the future of real estate values will be decided by your zip code. Before and after fires are done with it, as risk is enough. I predict 30% of the province of BC for example going up in flames due to forest fires by 2030. Its one time I really, really wished I was wrong. What will that do to real estate? Just ask California:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X3FmFDOiDc

And then there’s sad stories like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7NGY4MtpfY

You said it best, Garth. No insurance, no decades-long mortgage. No mortgage, no market. Prices topple.

Perhaps this is why our governor of Canada is doing risk assessments to our financial system because of climate change and so he should:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-of-canada-steven-poloz-climate-change-1.5368354

But, this could be the least of our worries all things considered, in the future to come.

#135 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 10:29 pm

@IDHCT, My apologies regarding: “such as yourself” in: “The intent was to insult climate change deniers such as yourself “, as it appears you are no longer among the group I was referring to.

#136 Jack Macintrye on 11.26.19 at 10:43 pm

We should only pay a Canadian Services Tax(CST). There should be no more taxes in Canada just this one. The more government services you use the more taxes you have to pay.

Since we know that the media, Liberals, Green Party. NDP lefties, socialists are all hypocrites and liars about a fair tax system. The more you use the more you pay. It is true from utilities to groceries. We know it is all a bunch of B.S. lefty politics paid for with most of the Canadians money.

#137 DON on 11.26.19 at 10:46 pm

#63 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:46 pm

#40 Blackdog on 11.26.19 at 5:56 pm
@Sunshowers, I wonder if those who adamantly deny that scientists know what they are talking about regarding the threat of man-made climate change, also argue with their family physician when told they have cancer or some other disease.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What is your one best argument for man made climate change? Not a laundry list of twenty arguments, but your single best one.

If I can show you where it’s wrong are you willing to change your mind?
*******************

While I would love to hear what SunShine has to say, I would like to go off topic (a bit) and ask you the same question but with respect to Jason Kenny.

#138 PastThePeak on 11.26.19 at 10:47 pm

A recessions is inevitable, and a good possibility within the next couple of years. Many predict that highly over leveraged Canada will experience a deeper recession than the US.

Some increase in unemployment, lost houses, & bankruptcies is likely to shift peoples priorities from climate hysteria to more practical matters. There might be less enthusiasm for extra taxes at that point…

#139 NoName on 11.26.19 at 10:58 pm

#108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:42 pm
@#85 Flop
“chestnuts roasting on an open fire…”
+++++

I can honestly say….in my 58 years on this planet….. I and no one I know…. has ever eaten roasted chestnuts…..
In my impetuous youth I may have thrown some (like a major league baseball pitcher)at passing cars and run like the coward that I truly am…. but I digress.

Has anyone out there in blogdog land eaten roasted chestnuts?
And did they need salt?
P.S. Do they give you ….the vapours?

Every fall/early winter there would be tons of street vendors selling roasted chestnuts. No salt lots of carbs and sugar in them, as for gas pair them with red wine…

translate to english works, older article but shows some street vendors.

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/zagreb/istrazili-smo-kakve-su-cijene-i-tko-po-zagrebu-prodaje-peceno-kestenje-hakik-ibraimi-svi-predsjednici-su-kod-mene-jeli-a-platila-je-samo-kolinda/5120552/

#140 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 11:01 pm

I thought I would share a comment(see below) that I found at a recent CBC article, https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/un-emissions-report-1.5373154

Here’s a modest proposal that is certain to deal with the problem of anthropogenic global warming:

– Continue to exploit and burn every available form of fossil fuels on the planet whether they are difficult to access or very expensive to process

– Eliminate all controls on emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases

– Eliminate all subsidies and tax incentives intended to help the development of renewable sources of energy

– Increase all subsidies for the development of fossil fuel sources of energy especially coal

Watch as the glacial ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica melt leading to irreversible sea level rise forcing 100’s millions of people to abandon farms and cities in low lying coastal regions of the world such as Bangladesh, Florida and the Mekong Delta.

Watch as ocean acidification warming of the oceans leads to the collapse of the world’s fisheries leading to widespread malnutrition and starvation.

Watch as vector borne diseases like malaria spread further north and south of the equator.

Watch as the equatorial regions of the world become uninhabitable and ensure that the 100’s of millions of people who try to move further north and south from the equator are prevented, by force of arms, from doing so.

Over the coming years, governments and civil infrastructure will collapse leading to a serious drop in the human population because of disease, starvation and war which will likely include nuclear weapons.

As human civilization collapses the output of greenhouse gases will inevitably drop quite dramatically and in about 100,000 years the CO2 concentrations in the earth’s atmosphere will likely return to the levels they were at before the unset of the Industrial Revolution

#141 MF on 11.26.19 at 11:06 pm

120 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 9:19 pm

More evidence many of our expats are mentally unstable.

I wonder what makes them like this? Failed hopes and dreams? Frustration?

It’s a continuing theme on this blog, YouTube, and many other social media outlets. Probably a psychology or sociology lesson/theory at play. Really weird stuff.

MF

#142 akashic record on 11.26.19 at 11:08 pm

“pro-growth gang”

Who are they?

Wall Street? Central banks? Globalists? Mainstream economists, economic policy makers? G7? Mainstream political parties and politicians? WTO? IMF? UN?

#143 Alberta Ed on 11.26.19 at 11:12 pm

The UN IPCC contradicts the “climate emergency” nonsense: https://www.cfact.org/2019/11/16/the-ipcc-contradicts-the-climate-emergency/

#144 MF on 11.26.19 at 11:14 pm

The climate change issue is really divisive. Not sure just who to believe to be honest.

I’m a middle of the road guy, so my thoughts are it’s occurring and it is man made. However, as others have mentioned, Canada’s contribution is minimal. To reduce our economic competitiveness through tax and become some sacrificial lamb in the process is not necessarily the right way.

What we should be doing, is 1) promoting r and d for renewables and make it into a strong industry and 2) not vilify our oil sands in the process. They too can adapt with new technology if it’s available.

Moving forward while not becoming some martyr in the process.

MF

#145 Barb on 11.26.19 at 11:24 pm

“Rain taxes are the levies imposed on property owners according to the amount of runoff their land or roofs generate.”
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They learned this from, where was it…Colorado? or Arizona?

Justification now to refuse conforming to muncipal/city bylaws that require blacktop/concrete pavement, ostensibly that mitigated dust.

#146 Nonplused on 11.26.19 at 11:29 pm

#27 SunShowers

“I am a scientist, you’re not.”

Argument from authority is a logical fallacy. If that is the best you’ve got, then you have already excluded yourself from the discussion.

(PS real scientists do not argue that way.)

It’s the same with terms like “climate deniers” or “climate alarmists” which are both ad-hominem attacks, also a logical fallacy.

We aren’t going to get anywhere calling each other names or claiming moral or intellectual superiority.

Also the claim that “the science is settled” is meant to appeal to those who don’t know what science is. “The science” is never settled. Heck we don’t even know at this point what causes gravity at this point, although we do know it is mathematically calculable based on mass and distance. Much of what we know about the world, we know because we can put a formula to the observations, but we don’t have any idea what actually causes it. Why do electrons cause magnetism? We can calculate it down to very fine detail what to expect but we don’t know why. Why are some materials magnetic without the presence of moving electrons? Don’t know that either although we can calculate a lot. Why can a magnet lift up another magnetic material with no energy input? Don’t know that either, it seems to defy the laws of thermodynamics. So don’t pretend to be so smart.

The facts are what they are. Yes, the atmosphere seems to be getting slightly warmer, and yes, it does appear to coincide with industrial activity. But no, a projection based on traditional statistical analysis does not imply impending doom, you need complicated models for that. Everyone who has been in business knows that complicated models have little predictive value. Chances are we do not have a catastrophe in the near term coming from fossil fuels. Insecticides and nuclear war on the other hand…..

#147 DON on 11.26.19 at 11:34 pm

#102 Long-Time Lurker on 11.26.19 at 8:26 pm

The government is going to own everything in Vancouver if they impose a rain tax here.
**********8

Someone will invent the house/small property umbrella. Big dollars in Raincouver.

#148 NoName on 11.26.19 at 11:41 pm

Interesting read

Earlier this year, the physicist Christoph Buchal and I published a research paper showing that, in the context of Germany’s energy mix, an EV emits a bit more CO2 than a modern diesel car, even though its battery offers drivers barely more than half the range of a tank of diesel. And shortly thereafter, data published by VW confirmed that its e-Rabbit vehicle emits slightly more CO2 than its Rabbit Diesel within the German energy mix. (When based on the overall European energy mix, which includes a huge share of nuclear energy from France, the e-Rabbit fares slightly better than the Rabbit Diesel.)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/25/are-electric-vehicles-really-so-climate-friendly

#149 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.26.19 at 11:48 pm

#108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:42 pm
@#85 Flop
“chestnuts roasting on an open fire…”
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I can honestly say….in my 58 years on this planet….. I and no one I know…. has ever eaten ro
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You’re only 58 years old.
Judging from your posts, I’d put you in the early stages of Homo sapiens.

#150 NoName on 11.26.19 at 11:49 pm

definitely pres play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvrsA0XlYGg
My Gift To Climate Alarmists

#151 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.26.19 at 11:55 pm

122 Paul on 11.26.19 at 9:28 pm
Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall,

No parking no cars, screw it.
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Good try.
Amazon warehouses are about 5 times the size of your average mall.

#152 Barb on 11.26.19 at 11:55 pm

Hopefully insurance companies understand that the Northern Hemisphere sea levels will increase when glaciers in ANTARCTICA melt. Yes Antarctica.

But when ARCTIC ice melts, it’s the Southern Hemisphere’s sea levels that’ll rise.

Jerry Mitrovica explains…starting at second paragraph:
http://northokanagandaily.blogspot.com/

#153 Darko on 11.27.19 at 12:04 am

While agree with vast majority of Garth’s writing, he is plain wrong on this one. Regardless of climate change, the fact is that water rates and taxes haven’t supported the required maintenance of water, wastewater and stormwater infrastructure. In Toronto, the water and wastewater is charged through water bills, and may be unfair on the issue of paying for water used for irrigation that is not discharged into the sewer system. However, the stormwater systems have long been an orphan, and insufficiently funded based on water use, which is not related to runoff generated by individual properties. As a result, large water users and multiunit buildings have effectively been paying unfair share, especially compared to properties with large impermeable surfaces that contribute to the problem the most. Correcting this is the real objection, since appartment dwellers will see lower bills, whereas single family properties and ICI with big roofs and parkings will pay more. Fair, given their inputs to the stormwater system. The program is conceived to be revenue neutral for Toronto Water, redistributing their revenues according to the services they provide, which entity come from these charges – No New Tax.

#154 Nonplused on 11.27.19 at 12:07 am

#124 Tyberius

Carbon and climate do seem to track over long periods of time, but carbon usually lags. So the question is did humans cause the current warming period, or did the current warming period cause the proliferation of humans? We are told to blame it all on the industrial revolution, but could that have happened if there weren’t more crops in the field? All these things and more are interrelated in complicated ways.

Perhaps more carbon in the atmosphere is actually good for humans, and maybe a bit of global warming too? Plants like it. Why do they have greenhouses? Well they contained heat and moisture and thus grow more plants. And what do greenhouses do with the CO2 coming out of their natural gas and propane heaters? The leave it in the greenhouse. They don’t vent it up a chimney, or at least not all of it. Why? The plants like that too. It is the primary plant food that drives photosynthesis. CO2 may very well be a climate change agent, but the plants love it. So are we making the world worse for us if we are making it better for plants, which we rely on? Nobody wants to answer that questions, they just want to say “well it snowed in Boston in November!”

Most of the actual toxins have been taken out of the exhaust by eliminating sulfur, lead, and installing catalytic converters to reduce C0, which is actually nasty, but we have a long way to go, probably well after we run out of fossil fuels, before CO2 will do anything but make the plants grow faster. And maybe force the Dutch to put another foot of soil on the top of their dykes.

This whole thing is so stupid. “Oh no we can’t have more rain!” Meanwhile the farmers are all pumping the aquifers dry and diverting rivers because they don’t have enough water. It’s maddening. All we hear about is water shortages, but yet we are supposed to buy the idea that more water, if it is in fact coming based on some dubious models, is a bad thing? Come on folks. You can’t think about only one thing at a time and come to a holistic solution.

Any time you drive by a farm that has those big circular sprinkles on it you should think they could use more rain. And CO2.

I’ve toured the irrigation systems in southern Alberta a a class field trip when I was in engineering. The effort was massive. Much water is diverted from the rivers to fill the canals and provide a source for the farmers to pump the water out (using fossil fuels). Do you think a little more rain in July would be a bad thing? Now with that you would also get more rain in September, not a good thing, but you have to take the good with the bad.

Throughout history, humanity has thrived when it is warm, not when it is cold. Cold brings starvation and death.

#155 BS on 11.27.19 at 12:07 am

107 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 8:41 pm

If a doctor tells you that you have cancer, but you (for obvious reasons) REALLY do not want to have cancer, do you call the doctor out of touch with reality?

A better example is the doctor tells you that you will get cancer if you don’t pay him a huge fee. Then he points to all the minor health issues you have had over the years and says see what happens when you don’t pay the fee? He also tells you that all doctors support this fee. The ones that don’t are deniers. In 10 years you will be dead if you don’t pay the fee (he told you that 10 years ago too and you are still alive).

What do you do?

a) pay the fee
b) pay double the fee to get better results
c) keep the money, enjoy life and use common sense for your health

All the lefties would pick a or b. One year later the fee will be increased due to more potential future health issues that can only be solved by more and higher fees.

#156 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 12:24 am

#62 Re-Cowtown on 11.26.19 at 6:46 pm
If you can falsify the Greenhouse Effect, I will admit that man-made climate change isn’t real.

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Oddly, the greenhouse effect doesn’t have much to do with CO2. 80% of the heat trapping effect of CO2 occurs in the first 20ppm, after which the added effect of more CO2 drops like a rock. By the time we get to 400ppm, where we are now, adding 50 or 100 ppm will do nothing. And doubling of CO2 to 800ppm will have only a minimal effect.

Overestimating CO2’s behavior is a common error that most people make; they think that the effect of CO2 heat trapping is linear, rising in lock step with CO2. But the effect is actually logarithmic, meaning the curve quickly flattens and additional CO2 has no real effect. This means that it is impossible for CO2 to cause runaway heating.

This explains why CO2 levels millions of years ago were 5X higher than today and nothing happened except that the plants were very happy and very big.

It also explains why climate scientists talk about “CO2 forcing” . They know that what I outlined above is true, and they have no way of tying their computer models to reality, so they had to invent a way to explain away the data bust. And “CO2 forcing” is it.

So there you go, the greenhouse effect argument is irrelevant to CO2 levels today. Have a long and happy life! One less thing for you to worry about.

You’re welcome.

#157 Cap'n Obvious on 11.27.19 at 12:43 am

What was the António Guterres Secretary-General of the UN doing before his current job?

He was the president of the Socialist International.

#158 Damifino on 11.27.19 at 1:10 am

#118 Gramps

And 2- I feel cooler on a cloudy day. How come the cloud doesn’t insulate me and keep me warmer?
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Evidently, you don’t live in Vancouver.

I can’t speak to why clouds don’t seem to make you warmer but here in YVR a winter’s day (and especially a night) with cloud cover is almost always noticeably warmer than one with clear skies. Clouds make the city warmer and most people perceive it.

When people here complain it’s cold out I respond:

“At least it’s a wet cold”.

#159 april on 11.27.19 at 1:24 am

#118 – According to Martin Armstrong, Howestreet, the sun is loosing energy

#160 Bdwy on 11.27.19 at 1:36 am

 Ronaldo on 11.26.19 at 5:37 pm

Ok, so if I set up rain barrels like we did back on the farm and capture the water and then use it to water my garden and for washing clothes and any other environmentally sound purpose, would I be excluded from the tax
……..
Nice try but the computers cant handle that. Still have to pay.

Also be sure to include the new eco-consumption levy for each liter of rainwater you use.

Taxes for the millenials to pay for decades to come!

The town in mexico I like has maybe 1/10 the taxes and can still pick up trash every 2 days vs 2 weeks here. One also does not need a 6 way
Blast proof krypton uranium GPS bike lock there either. Mostly just leave it on the kickstand.

A spiral of ever increasing new taxes will probably be wonderful for Canada’s
international competitiveness .yuck.

#161 Ronaldo on 11.27.19 at 1:54 am

I decided to keep my Silverado. I am going to need it to pull the trailer with my 1000 gallon tank filled with rainwater collected from my gutters and piped into the tank. My house is on quite a steep slope so the water will be gravity fed into the tank which will be positioned at the bottom of the lot. No pumps necessary. I will be approaching the city of Nanaimo to sell them the rain water I have collected so that they can use it to water the local golf course. Not sure what I should charge per gallon yet because I suspect that others may get the same idea and we could end up with an oversupply which could seriously affect the bottom line and my business could end up underwater.

#162 Smoking Man on 11.27.19 at 2:47 am

A rain tax.. didn’t see that coming. I thought a tax on water and oxigin was next..

3 business started on SoCal. 1 in Arizona. Amazing sales in a deregulated world. Thank you POTUS

Why would anyone in the right frame of mind stay in Canada where the thieves and crooked UN WHO own your brain dead prime ministers go to boy.

You people are doomed…

Come to America, Trump till 2080..

#163 BillyBob on 11.27.19 at 3:33 am

#120 Yukon Elvis on 11.26.19 at 9:19 pm
#93 Rexx Rock on 11.26.19 at 7:55 pm
No big deal.So what if new taxes come every year along with our currency devaluing.We are Canadians ,we can take it.May move to Mexico 8 months then off to Bali,Thailand and Vietnam for the 4 months.My living expenses are $850 to $1100 a month.Thank God I don’t have children or I’d be stuck in Canada.
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Philippines is good too. English is widely spoken. Bali, Thailand, Vietnam not so much. Makes a yuuuge difference.

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Careful. After MF’s painfully ignorant, borderline-racist characterization yesterday of Thailand as a country “that’s main “economy” is based on sex work” (does he even KNOW how stupid that makes him sound?), you don’t want to get painted as a sex tourist expat.

Another overstated stereotype, of course. But perceptions are more important than truth these days.

#164 NoName on 11.27.19 at 5:59 am

What I find funny is that gov that legalized mj is complaint about CC and CO2. According internet to my 5 min research in order to “successfully” grow mj currently 400ppm of CO2 won’t cut it it needs 2-3x more concentration of carbon dioxide in greenhouse. Even you can buy CO2 generator on Amazon…

But don’t take my word for it check it out your self.

Side note, concentration of CO2 on computer train can reise in excess of 3000ppm of CO2.

So hipsters take your plant to work.for best results, also it cen be used as a conversation piece about climate change…

#165 –YAK– on 11.27.19 at 6:22 am

@#109 cowtown cowboy on 11.26.19 at 8:49 pm

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hope you’re just being ignorant with this comment and not racist. judging by your past comments its probably the latter.

#166 –YAK– on 11.27.19 at 6:25 am

@#160 april on 11.27.19 at 1:24 am
#118 – According to Martin Armstrong, Howestreet, the sun is loosing energy
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apparently the sun is losing energy as well.

#167 Millennial Realist on 11.27.19 at 7:15 am

“Action is desperately required.

The rain tax is maybe not a big deal. But it’s a harbinger.

Climate change levies will be coming hard and fast over the next few years.”

Prescient comments, Mr Turner.

Carbon taxes MUST go up dramatically, and quickly.

Get lost, Scheer. You are an idiot, in denial.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-needs-carbon-tax-of-210-a-tonne-by-2030-to-meet-paris-targets-report-says

Ok, Boomers!?

Be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

#168 Robbed on 11.27.19 at 7:38 am

Pet Peeve.
Toronto instituted the “downspout disconnect” program which was supposed to redirect roof runoff onto lawns. Instead, most of it ends up on sidewalks and alleys which freezes in cold temperatures creating dangerous conditions for pedestrians and vehicles.
Can everyone reconnect their downspouts now, or at least my neighbours so that I don’t have to deal with their runoff freezing on my sidewalk?

#169 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.27.19 at 7:48 am

@#150 Ponzie Prattle
“Judging from your posts, I’d put you in the early stages …”
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Interesting observation , but then again, judging from your posts…
I assumed,ironically enough, your IQ was approx 58 points lower than me.

#170 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.27.19 at 7:59 am

@#152 Ponzie preamble
“Amazon warehouses are about 5 times the size of your average mall.”
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Reading and comprehension difficult?
Only the unfortunate Amazon worker bees will have to drive to work.
Not us.
Hence the comment from Paul “Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall. No parking, no cars”.
He’s right.
Your splitting hairs.
Enjoy working at Amazon…..

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/Amazon-Warehouse-Associate-Reviews-EI_IE6036.0,6_KO7,26.htm

#171 Remembrancer on 11.27.19 at 8:10 am

#160 april on 11.27.19 at 1:24 am
#118 – According to Martin Armstrong, Howestreet, the sun is loosing energy
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Let me guess, Big Astrophysics is hiding this fact and the plucky economist is exposing the Big Lie ?

#172 Gravy Train on 11.27.19 at 8:13 am

#133 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 10:21 pm
“@Sunshowers #107. Excellent comeback to all the idiots. Thank you.” Did you intend to lump me in with all the others? If you did, could you tell me which of my comments you found idiotic? (Your feedback helps me to improve.) :)

#173 not 1st on 11.27.19 at 8:14 am

Let me get this straight, we are all dead in 12 yrs, but you can still get a 25 yr mortgage.

#174 not 1st on 11.27.19 at 8:22 am

I would say Vancouver has more to worry about than a rain tax.

Free heroin though.

City of Vancouver proposes 9.3% hike in fees, property tax for 2020

https://globalnews.ca/news/6216603/city-of-vancouver-property-fees-taxes-2020/

#175 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.27.19 at 8:24 am

Forget the Rain Tax.
Forget the 8.2% property tax increase in Vancouver.

VanCity Clowncil has installed a Chandelier under the Granville St bridge to brighten a homeless persons day!

https://theprovince.com/news/local-news/spinning-chandelier-to-activate-urban-space-under-granville-street-bridge/wcm/9ecb8fb9-67e5-402a-b656-37f4c73d6740

I wonder how long it will take the pigeons of Granville Island to discover a new , warm, roost…….

#176 Q2 Class No. 6131 on 11.27.19 at 8:44 am

‘Opponents argue that real estate’s turning into a sitting duck asset with all levels of government assaulting owners as a cover for their profligate social spending.’

That about sums it up. Ill-informed millennials wanna buy houses and they also wanna save the environment. They can’t have it both ways.

#177 akashic record on 11.27.19 at 8:44 am

#136 BlackDog on 11.26.19 at 10:29 pm

@IDHCT, My apologies regarding: “such as yourself” in: “The intent was to insult climate change deniers

Stop insulting people. It’s a deplorable intent.

#178 akashic record on 11.27.19 at 8:53 am

#168 Millennial Realist

Out of curiosity, how do you PERSONALLY cut back YOUR OWN carbon footprint, in your own existence?

#179 Stan Brooks on 11.27.19 at 8:54 am

The stupidity tax:

In its final report, a privately-funded policy group that calls for market-friendly solutions to climate change concludes that Canada needs a carbon price of $210 per tonne of greenhouse gas emission by 2030 to meet its Paris targets — assuming it relies on the carbon tax alone.

That would mean a 40-cent rise in prices at the pump

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/carbon-tax-must-hit-210-050100169.html

Here’s when home prices will surge

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-when-home-prices-will-surge-190344504.html

More BS to feed the spectacularly stupid and naive sheeple while taxing it to death.

Cheers,

#180 not 1st on 11.27.19 at 9:09 am

#181 Stan Brooks on 11.27.19 at 8:54 am

No matter how high they raise the carbon tax, I will not stop driving and heating my home and flying on vacations and lots of other people wont either.

But I can see a lot of junk around my house I can cut back on.

Trying to target the oil industry is more likely to hit discretionary consumer spending.

#181 akashic record on 11.27.19 at 9:19 am

Has anyone calculated the impact of “climate emergency” on “the portfolio”?

Will it make it nosedive?

Can anyone diversify “climate emergency” out of the cozy average 6% return?

Should anyone even bother, if it is true that in the near future life in this planet goes into survival mode, which will require all personal sacrifice?

In the climate of rain tax, who is to say that nationalization of investment accounts is not in the wind?

It’s a small price to pay for the planet to survive, isn’t it?

Do you ever worry about your credibility? It might be time to start. – Garth

#182 Another Deckchair on 11.27.19 at 9:21 am

@14 Shawn Allen

“Residential streets require storm water drains. There is a cost to that. Who else but the home owners should pay?”

What if said street is now used as a “cut through” street, and said owner does not own a car.

Can I demolish my part of the street, and thus save taxes? ;-)

Just wondering – our Ottawa taxes are going up faster than “inflation” as usual…

#183 Randy on 11.27.19 at 9:22 am

Just the beginning. Out of Control Government Spending knows no bounds. Just add it to my Property Tax Bill…bahaha

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-budget-2020-proposed-1.5372979

#184 Paul on 11.27.19 at 9:29 am

#152 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.26.19 at 11:55 pm
122 Paul on 11.26.19 at 9:28 pm
Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall,

No parking no cars, screw it.
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Good try.
Amazon warehouses are about 5 times the size of your average mall
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My point is, no need to drive, pay to park, shop for 2 hours to find your items they want to tax your daily routine. Oh. One Amazon centre can replace a hundred malls.

#185 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 9:41 am

#168 Millennial Realist on 11.27.19 at 7:15 am
“Action is desperately required.

The rain tax is maybe not a big deal. But it’s a harbinger.

Climate change levies will be coming hard and fast over the next few years.”

Prescient comments, Mr Turner.

Carbon taxes MUST go up dramatically, and quickly.

Get lost, Scheer. You are an idiot, in denial.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-needs-carbon-tax-of-210-a-tonne-by-2030-to-meet-paris-targets-report-says

Ok, Boomers!?

Be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As a late boomer I remember David Suzuki chiding us at University of Alberta about the “coming Ice Age” in the 1970’s. He had us all going then, yep, he sure did.

Then about ten years later, we relized that we had all been lied to and chalked up some valuable experience on how effectively propaganda can be packaged and we don’t fall for that crap anymore. Part of growing up; understanding that Fountainheads lie.

Your learning moment is now.

Your moment of relization will be in ten years when you wake up, look at the same people telling you the same story that you only have “ten years to save the planet!!!” and you’ll realized that you’ve been sucker punched.

Don’t feel bad though. It happened to us and every generation before us and it’ll happen to your kids and grandkids too.

I’ll still be around in ten years, so we can get together, have a beer and laugh about how many times politicians and world leaders have lied to us with straight faces.

#186 JohnfromKingston on 11.27.19 at 9:47 am

Should there be a rain tax? of course. Runoff ends up in the sewer system and then to a treatment plant which costs money. The frustration for me are cities talking out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they insist, rightfully so, that we need to be green, on the other hand the first solution is the lazy solution, a rain tax. How about a tax and a solution to prevent the problem in the first place. A ban on paved driveways and parking lots perhaps. The msg is that we need to save the planet and yet cities, like my home town of Kingston, continue to expand outward with single family dwellings. Talking green and being green are two different things.

#187 Jesse on 11.27.19 at 9:58 am

#14 Shawn Allen on 11.26.19 at 4:54 pm
You say, “stormwater fee”, or “rain tax”, I say User fee”.

In some places they’re called ‘stormwater fees’ but they’re really just penalties for owning real estate and a revenue grab by cities struggling with climate-related infrastructure.

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Oh dear, another tax that I am not against.

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We are taxed more than enough, the government needs to stop wasteful spending. Do we honestly need a “Department for Women and Gender Equality”?? How many billions of dollars do we burn each year on nonsense like this? Enough with the taxes, it’s time to review our wasteful government spending!

#188 Sail Away on 11.27.19 at 10:08 am

Everything will be the same in 11 years. Including people. Yawn.

Things will be done by the mindlessly active. My job is, as always, to find a way to benefit.

Time for a nap.

#189 Randy on 11.27.19 at 10:11 am

Fact @Fact

The word “mortgage” comes from a French word that means “death contract.”

#190 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 10:25 am

#147 Nonplused on 11.26.19 at 11:29 pm
The amount of dishonesty here is alarming. You are reducing accepted scientific principles to the point where the mechanics at that micro level are not fully understood, and trying to use that uncertainty to discredit the principles themselves.

Yes, once you reduce things far enough, it is no longer clear what “causes” gravity, but that doesn’t change the fact that we know gravity exists and has certain properties, because we can empirically test it.

For example, we know gravity accelerates at 9.8 m/s^2 on earth. Similarly, we know that CO2 absorbs IR radiation reflected by the earth and releases the energy as heat, because we can test and measure it. It’s called the Greenhouse Effect.

So, just because “we don’t know what causes gravity”, would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is and walk off a skyscraper? If reducing accepted science to the point of uncertainty (similar to how logic and science eventually break down in the face of a child who endlessly asks “why?” in response to your explanations) is enough to cast doubt on the principle itself, who’s to say if you’ll actually fall to your death or not, right?

The science is settled. Deal with it.

#157 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 12:24 am
I would advise against getting your information from Watt’s Up With That. They tend to get their data from people on the Heritage Foundation’s payroll who have a nasty habit of fudging the units and axes on their graphs.

Here’s the same logarithmic relationship, but plotted properly.
https://skepticalscience.com/why-global-warming-can-accelerate.html

#191 IHCTD9 on 11.27.19 at 10:25 am

Thinking ahead 10 years from now at the IHCTD9 bunker complex.

CCB gravy train will be done. Big tax credits thanks to various deductions related to kids will be gone too. Tax returns will likely return to non Grizzly 700 purchasing amounts and stay there for good.

On the flip side – taxes/fees will keep climbing – mainly property and conventional energy costs, but now Climate related fees/taxes seem to be the new highway into your bank account. They’re going to keep hitting us where we either can’t avoid, or where it’s very tough to avoid.

I hate to say it, but I can already see that significantly offsetting new taxes in the future is likely going to require the summoning of un-taxed income. I can’t really avoid property taxes, and anything they want to attach to them (like runoff taxes) is essentially unavoidable. I can buy less gas, use less hydro, eat more from the garden – but all I can do to avoid abusive property taxes/fees is sell the house. I suppose I could incite the local home owners to riot and storm city hall, but that’s not my style.

We’ll see how they handle it. Property taxes out here are already very high, and increases are typically 3-5% every year. I guess I have to come up with a number, much like I did with heating costs; where if it is crossed, then action begins to drag that cost back behind the limit again.

#192 Mattl on 11.27.19 at 10:33 am

#168 Millennial Realist on 11.27.19 at 7:15 am
“Action is desperately required.

The rain tax is maybe not a big deal. But it’s a harbinger.

Climate change levies will be coming hard and fast over the next few years.”

Prescient comments, Mr Turner.

Carbon taxes MUST go up dramatically, and quickly.

Get lost, Scheer. You are an idiot, in denial.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-needs-carbon-tax-of-210-a-tonne-by-2030-to-meet-paris-targets-report-says

Ok, Boomers!?

Be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

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I’m not big on the generation wars. But I find it amazing that you think a bunch of 65-95 year old retired old guys, that consume way less then they did in their prime, will be run over by carbon tax increases. These guys will be under dirt by the time all these new taxes hit. Your generation is lobbying for huge tax increases on yourself.

Boomers have already locked in their wins. They will be mostly exempt from all these tax changes. You are being played.

#193 Don Guillermo on 11.27.19 at 10:39 am

#97 Gravy Train on 11.26.19 at 8:01 pm
#64 Don Guillermo on 11.26.19 at 6:51 pm
“Maybe poke around this web site and grab some optimism.”
https://www.humanprogress.org
Check out the Munk debate, “Be it resolved, humankind’s best days lie ahead…” PRO: Steven Pinker, Matt Ridley. CON: Alain de Botton, Malcolm Gladwell.
https://munkdebates.com/debates/progress
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I have the debate bookmarked to watch later. Have just started Steven Pinker’s book Enlightenment Now. Interesting stuff.

#194 Stan Brooks Party of Canada on 11.27.19 at 10:44 am

Stan, when in the bleep are you going to announce your candidacy to be our fearless leader? It sucks having a party called the Stan Brooks Party of Canada and then not having you as our leader….

#195 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 11.27.19 at 10:48 am

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#196 Dharma Bum on 11.27.19 at 10:57 am

Why not let the criminal cartel known as the UN just tax the people who live in the areas that have the highest annual rainfall!

Since rainfall is now being blamed on climate change, why not blame the people that live in the highest rainfall areas for the cause of climate change?

That makes about as much sense as all the other gibberish that gets spewed about on the subject.

So, UN, tax the evil people from the following high rainfall regions:

Mawsynram, India
Cherrapunji, India
Tutunendo, Colombia
Cropp River, New Zealand
Bioko Island in Equatorial Guinea
Debundscha, Cameroon, Africa
Mt. Waialeale Kauai, Hawaii
Emei Shan, Sichuan Province, China

To keep it fair (a word that the UN doesn’t know), why not throw in some taxation for BC in Canada and Louisiana the US – the highest rainfalls in North America.

Leave the rest of us alone.

#197 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.27.19 at 11:12 am

#186 Paul on 11.27.19 at 9:29 am
#152 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.26.19 at 11:55 pm
122 Paul on 11.26.19 at 9:28 pm
Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall,

No parking no cars, screw it.
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Good try.
Amazon warehouses are about 5 times the size of your average mall
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My point is, no need to drive, pay to park, shop for 2 hours to find your items they want to tax your daily routine. Oh. One Amazon centre can replace a hundred malls.
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Wow, not driving to the mall.
What will I do with my F-150 then?

#198 Blog Bunny on 11.27.19 at 11:17 am

Garth, this is depressing. But I am not too worried for the future. A system based on greed and envy will crumble. The modern commies like Trudeau and the UN will be history one day.

P.S. Do you want bunny pics ?

#199 IHCTD9 on 11.27.19 at 11:28 am

#194 Mattl on 11.27.19 at 10:33 am

Boomers have already locked in their wins. They will be mostly exempt from all these tax changes. You are being played.
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MR enjoys playing out the fantasy online where the big bad boomers get their just desserts.

Of course, too late for that. They’re already retired like you say, with a paid for house and a big stack of cash if they planned well.

The kids won’t like all this climate stuff getting heaped on property tax bills so much if they ever scrape together a down payment.

Ah well – live and learn.

#200 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 11:46 am

The UN is a mouthpiece for the socialist globalist regime. The relentless push to remove the roadblocks (ex Trump, nationalism, patriotism) will not stop… in fact democracy itself is currently on trial through yet more fabrications.

Don’t need a crystal ball to see the direction this is heading. Within a generation the few freedoms you still enjoy will be nothing more than a distant memory. we are playing out the #endgame

And this used to be such a nice blog. – Garth

#201 BillyBob on 11.27.19 at 11:51 am

#192 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 10:25 am
#147 Nonplused on 11.26.19 at 11:29 pm
The amount of dishonesty here is alarming. You are reducing accepted scientific principles to the point where the mechanics at that micro level are not fully understood, and trying to use that uncertainty to discredit the principles themselves.

Yes, once you reduce things far enough, it is no longer clear what “causes” gravity, but that doesn’t change the fact that we know gravity exists and has certain properties, because we can empirically test it.

For example, we know gravity accelerates at 9.8 m/s^2 on earth. Similarly, we know that CO2 absorbs IR radiation reflected by the earth and releases the energy as heat, because we can test and measure it. It’s called the Greenhouse Effect.

So, just because “we don’t know what causes gravity”, would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is and walk off a skyscraper? If reducing accepted science to the point of uncertainty (similar to how logic and science eventually break down in the face of a child who endlessly asks “why?” in response to your explanations) is enough to cast doubt on the principle itself, who’s to say if you’ll actually fall to your death or not, right?

The science is settled. Deal with it.

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Valiant effort, but you’ve lost it completely equating gravity to climate change. The latter is most certainly not as “settled” as the former. Unless of course, you can demonstrate a large group of reputable scientists who profess to not believe in gravity.

Reducing the incredibly complex interactions of the earth’s climate to a single Newtonian theory is total intellectual laziness and an emphatic rhetorical fail.

#202 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 12:09 pm

#44 Debtslavecreator on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm

With you on that. and if climate change is created by human activity, it isn’t the average Joe driving to work, it is the globalists putting up chemtrails of silver nitrate/God knows what. Why? the best way to control the masses is through crisis’ “of their own making”.

It is the same group that is generating the wildfires in CA. Look at the pics of Paradise CA, homes and cars decimated surrounded by untouched trees. But since sheeple are so easily led, it is an easy sell so they carry on. And when too many start to clue in, they just tighten their censorship.

It’s basically game over already, a single totalitarian gov’t entity is on it’s way. kiss your freedoms goodbye

Can we kiss you goodbye? – Garth

#203 NoName on 11.27.19 at 12:13 pm

Interesting read.

IR-absorbing gases play a significant role in determining the surface temperature of the Earth and in the distribution of heat within the atmosphere. But, this role is almost entirely due to water vapor in the lowest part of the atmosphere, the troposphere.

https://objectivistindividualist.blogspot.com/2013/02/infrared-absorbing-gases-and-earths.html?m=1

#204 IHCTD9 on 11.27.19 at 12:20 pm

#198 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.27.19 at 11:12 am
#186 Paul on 11.27.19 at 9:29 am
#152 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.26.19 at 11:55 pm
122 Paul on 11.26.19 at 9:28 pm
Maybe Amazon will be the end of the mall,

No parking no cars, screw it.
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Good try.
Amazon warehouses are about 5 times the size of your average mall
————————————————————————————————
My point is, no need to drive, pay to park, shop for 2 hours to find your items they want to tax your daily routine. Oh. One Amazon centre can replace a hundred malls.
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Wow, not driving to the mall.
What will I do with my F-150 then?
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Trade it in for F250?

#205 Incubus on 11.27.19 at 12:25 pm

Global Warming Fraud Exposed In Pictures

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/global-warming-fraud-exposed-in-pictures-bA-1mNrK0kiarserpfa9iA/2019-10-02T22:29:32.6266770Z/zqymapiRiEykgCTlPDGg9Q/?replyPage=1

#206 Ronaldo on 11.27.19 at 12:32 pm

#188 JohnfromKingston on 11.27.19 at 9:47 am
Should there be a rain tax? of course. Runoff ends up in the sewer system and then to a treatment plant which costs money. The frustration for me are cities talking out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand they insist, rightfully so, that we need to be green, on the other hand the first solution is the lazy solution, a rain tax. How about a tax and a solution to prevent the problem in the first place. A ban on paved driveways and parking lots perhaps. The msg is that we need to save the planet and yet cities, like my home town of Kingston, continue to expand outward with single family dwellings. Talking green and being green are two different things.
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Kinda like Joni was singing about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwUJH70ubM

#207 not 1st on 11.27.19 at 12:33 pm

#192 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 10:25 am

And now I know you are not a real scientist with the statement science is settled. Its not, it never is, that’s the scientific method. If it was settled one of its predictions would have come true. Like those ones made by Gore and crew, your kids wont know what snow is, skiing goes out of business, Statue of Liberty underwater etc.

The Sierras just got 6 ft of snow in one dump, 5 in another and 18inches yesterday.

I would say a GSM is just as likely. Is that science settled?

Climate change alters weather. So is not unusual weather (more snow in certain areas) evidence of change? When deniers point to cold as evidence of ‘no global warming’ they look like morons. Maybe you should avoid that. – Garth

#208 Deplorable Dude on 11.27.19 at 12:33 pm

“What if climate change appears to be just mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us probably.”

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Quote from the infamous climategate email leaks…..

#209 whiplash on 11.27.19 at 12:38 pm

“The new dogma about climate change has swept through the left-of-centre governing classes and provides a marvelous excuse for worldwide, supra-national socialism”. Margaret Thatcher

#210 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 12:39 pm

#107 SunShowers on 11.26.19 at 8:41 pm

with the cancer analogy, I would not argue that point, but sorry, you don’t have a slam dunk on what is causing the cancer.

Just becuase you have been sold on what is behind curtain number 1 (Ronaldo driving his Silverado x 1 million squared) does not dismiss what you don’t know behind curtain number 2, 3 … or even 10 . Just b/c we can’t see behind those curtains doesn’t automatically make curtain #1 the truth.

…could be planetary changes, solar system changes, changes with our star, or even the Dr. Evil group spraying their chem trails and such. But since those are not taxable, they will be dismissed through persuasive or forceful measures

#211 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 12:39 pm

#202 BillyBob on 11.27.19 at 11:51 am
The Greenhouse Effect is as well understood, if not more understood (since it’s not as complex) than the Theory of Gravitation.

The reason you don’t see large numbers of scientists who don’t believe in gravity is because there isn’t a multi-trillion dollar industry bankrolling dozens of think tanks to push an anti-gravity message for their own financial gain.

Hope this helps.

#204 NoName on 11.27.19 at 12:13 pm
If only there were a natural mechanism for excess water vapor to be removed from the troposphere, right?!

Oh wait…

#212 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.27.19 at 12:48 pm

@#205 IHCTD9
“Trade it in for F250?”

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Bwahahaha good one.
I saw one of these in Downtown Van a few years back with Alberta plates on it……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkNREmjunQA

Cost the guy over a grand in fuel to drive from Cowtown to the coast with his family.

I think it just might be big enough to fit Ponzie’s ego…….

#213 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.27.19 at 12:55 pm

203 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 12:09 pm
#44 Debtslavecreator on 11.26.19 at 6:02 pm

With you on that. and if climate change is created by human activity, it isn’t the average Joe driving to work, it is the globalists putting up chemtrails of silver nitrate/God knows what. Why? the best way to control the masses is through crisis’ “of their own making”.

It is the same group that is generating the wildfires in CA. Look at the pics of Paradise CA, homes and cars decimated surrounded by untouched trees. But since sheeple are so easily led, it is an easy sell so they carry on. And when too many start to clue in, they just tighten their censorship.

It’s basically game over already, a single totalitarian gov’t entity is on it’s way. kiss your freedoms goodbye

Can we kiss you goodbye? Garth.
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We didn’t have a live one like this for a while.
Let it live.

#214 not 1st on 11.27.19 at 12:55 pm

Softening us up for taxes from every angle.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/our-dividend-tax-rules-are-broken-and-need-to-be-fixed

#215 Deplorable Dude on 11.27.19 at 1:04 pm

“So is not unusual weather (more snow in certain areas) evidence of change?” – Garth.

No….because climate change dogma dictates that if the poles are warming then temp differentials compared to lower latitudes reduce, which should lead to more stable weather around the globe, not worse.

But that’s the beauty of Climate change ‘science’…..

It’s unfalsifiable…a key requirement of the scientific method.

Doesn’t matter what the weather does…it’s all blamed on climate change….that’s not science.

#216 NoName on 11.27.19 at 1:07 pm

#212 SunShowers

You seems to be much knowledgeable that I am. Let me aks you this.

In which way atmospheric testing of big kaboom affected climate, is there any study?

Many CC chart Ive seen shows cooler temperatures during that period. 50-80s.

#217 TurnerNation on 11.27.19 at 1:09 pm

Say what?

https://election.ctvnews.ca/green-party-prepared-to-accept-tens-of-thousands-of-new-climate-refugees-1.4615695

#218 TurnerNation on 11.27.19 at 1:13 pm

As an add on to that article the Left must be spinning…their vaulted Carbon Tax is set to hurt certain groups.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/its-not-caucasian-canadians-who-most-struggle-with-energy-poverty-report-says

#219 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 1:17 pm

#211 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 12:39 pm
We know with 100% certainty that increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations lead to increased temperatures. We know this because we know the Greenhouse Effect is a thing that exists.

The possibility that OTHER things (either within or control or not) might ALSO be increasing temperatures at the same time is irrelevant.

It’s kind of like telling the doctor “Well you can’t say for sure that it was my smoking that caused my lung cancer! It also could have been my years working as a coal miner!”

If it’s within our power to stop doing things that cause cancer and/or climate change, maybe we should stop doing those things?

#220 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 1:30 pm

To all the posters who think the greenhouse effect is the proof of man made climate change, I’ll ask this question:

How did the Ice Ages come and go before? Surely the greenhouse effect was in place for all of these events, some of them stretching back a billion of year, long before any creature walked on land let alone drove a Silverado.

Please explain the Ice Ages using the greenhouse effect. But also a quick heads up: glaciologists have been trying to untangle the cause of Ice Ages for hundreds of years and they are still stumped. So if you have a new insight, that it’s all caused by CO2 and greenhouse effects, by all means state it.

I know that there are hundreds of P.hDs all over the world waiting for your comment.

#221 Classical Liberal Millennial on 11.27.19 at 1:34 pm

Modern progressiveness is truly a mental illness.

#222 Eaglebay on 11.27.19 at 1:38 pm

#77 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 7:28 pm

Sarcasm isn’t your forte, obviously.
By the way, in the car business, trucks are the bestsellers.

#223 Incubus on 11.27.19 at 1:48 pm

#221 Re-Cowtown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ

#224 Blackdog on 11.27.19 at 2:08 pm

@Sunshowers, Please don’t let the idiots drive you away. Your comments are great. As you can see, it appears that a fair number of the loud minority that deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change, hang out at Garth’s blog. They have strong psychological defence mechanisms in operation which prevent them from thinking clearly and objectively.

#225 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 2:12 pm

#220 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 1:17 pm

We know with 100% certainty that increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations lead to increased temperatures. We know this because we know the Greenhouse Effect is a thing that exists.

yes, but you still have not proved Ronaldo driving his Silverado is causing this. And you certainly cannot make the claim that since smoking=cancer therefore human carbon emissions=global warming.

You have no basis to make that analogy anymore than one can argue smoking=cancer therefore volcanoes=global warming or chemtrails=global warming.

you have no authority to make your OTHER and ALSO claim that you have somehow proven Ronaldo’s Silverado is for certain at least one of the smoking guns.

Scientist or not, there is no authority for such a correlation.

#226 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 2:13 pm

#217 NoName on 11.27.19 at 1:07 pm
I’m sorry, I don’t understand your question.

#221 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 1:30 pm
CO2 is a determinant in global temperature, but it’s not the ONLY determinant.

Sure, if the CO2 concentration is 4000ppm like it was 500m years ago that’s one thing, but if the earth is literally further away from the sun because of fluctuations in the earth’s orbit, that would have a bit of a countering effect, wouldn’t you think?

They’re called Milankovitch Cycles. Serious geologists and glaciologists already know about them. There is no mystery here. Nobody is stumped. Except for you, anyway.

#227 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 2:42 pm

#220 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 1:17 pm

btw, How do you suggest we stop people from causing climate change? constant increase in taxation of everything that produces carbon?

Under the ideology of fairness, what if we tax ourselves enough so we can reduce our carbon footprint and offer these proceeds to third world countries so they can catch up to our greenhouse gas levels. Oh wait… we already do that.

Don’t kid yourself, it won’t be long before a red flag with a large gold five-pointed star is hoisted over parliament hill under such “solutions”. but really, a small price to pay to save the world right?

You are so owned already… it so happens there are a few of us would rather put up a fight.

#228 Hamsterwheelie on 11.27.19 at 2:45 pm

This is a frustrating take on something that should have always been in place. You could have spun this as taxing a home for being a burden on lakes and sewers – taxing a property for adding to the heat island effect(trees bad – make mess) fining businesses for paving everything in sight and having no holding tanks or filtration before dumping it all into our waterways…but no. Let’s rile folks up on something totally logical. Personally I’m pissed when I see front ‘gardens’ paved from one side to the other whereas we have reduced our paved parking areas, disconnected our downspouts and pay the same taxes as our concrete neighbours.
Oh – and parking, yeah, it’s not free when you shop downtown so why should it be ‘free’ at the mall? All that runoff floods sewage facilities and we get lovely effects from algae bloom & eutrophication of water leading to fish die offs and aquatic devastation. There may be a few bumps and lumps to undoing our throwaway, not-my-problem, I-can-do-whatever-the-hell-I-want culture. Way to rile up the rabid anti environmentalists Garth. SMH

#229 Shawn Allen on 11.27.19 at 2:50 pm

Feeling Cooler on A Cloudy Day?

#118 Gramps on 11.26.19 at 9:08 pm asked:

I feel cooler on a cloudy day. How come the cloud doesn’t insulate me and keep me warmer?

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Okay, this pretty far off topic, but whatever…

That is an interesting question. I think I can recall enough of my engineering education to answer.

First what would the cloud be insulating you from? If it insulates you from the Sun then you should indeed be cooler. The cloud is pretty far away also so even if it were like a blanket is way too far away.

A cloudy day will, all else equal, lead to a cooler air temperature. The reported temperature will be lower.

How hot or cool we feel depends on our rate of heat loss or gain from our surrounds.

For a given state of clothing, our heat loss or gain is mainly determined by the air temperature but also by wind, sun shine (or lack of), humidity in the air and both the ground temperature and even the color of the ground.

The sun not only warms the air and the earth but also radiates heat directly to our bodies. Clouds block that. Therefore 20 degrees with sunshine feels warmer than 20 degrees with cloud cover.

Our bodies, especially in a light state of dress also typically radiate heat to the ground and any cooler surroundings and I believe the rate of radiation depends on color. I believe Snow will attract more heat from our bodies than frozen green grass of the same temperature.

Standing in your house in a room with no windows and an air temperature of 20 degrees will feel warmer than a similar room at the exact same air temperature with lots of windows and with snow outside as your body will radiate heat directly out the window to the snow.

#230 Ubul on 11.27.19 at 3:04 pm

#221 Re-Cowtown

Ancient civilizations. Annunaki, Atlantis, etc.

#231 Re-Cowtown on 11.27.19 at 3:12 pm

#220 SunShowers on 11.27.19 at 1:17 pm
#211 UnitedSocialism on 11.27.19 at 12:39 pm
We know with 100% certainty that increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations lead to increased temperatures. We know this because we know the Greenhouse Effect is a thing that exists.
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Mostly true, but irrelevant.

Thinking that CO2 is the only possible cause is a classic example of Loserthink. (look it up on Youtube). Just because you can’t think of another possible reason doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist. It only means that you’re locked in a mental prison and have yet to escape.

By contrast, try to envision a world where the sun, the moon, tides, cosmic rays, clouds, water vapor, volcanoes, pollutants (ones like sulfides and carbon) the oceans, CO2, CH4, and even plate tectonics all conspire to effect the climate in some subtle never ending dance.

No one is sure how they all work or which ones work together and which ones work against the others, or which ones we don’t even know about yet. But which view sounds like it has a chance of more realistically capturing the ebb and flow of climate?

#232 Lost...but not leased on 11.27.19 at 3:39 pm

Hiking carbon tax to $210 cheapest way to hit Canada’s climate targets: commission

https://www.richmond-news.com/hiking-carbon-tax-to-210-cheapest-way-to-hit-canada-s-climate-targets-commission-1.24020174

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COMMENT:

Remember..GOV’t is ALWAYS there to HELP ewe..err YOU !!!

#233 Wilfred on 11.27.19 at 3:54 pm

Shawn:
Our bodies, especially in a light state of dress also typically radiate heat to the ground and any cooler surroundings and I believe the rate of radiation depends on color. I believe Snow will attract more heat from our bodies than frozen green grass of the same temperature.
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Our body heat radiates from our warm skin to any colder surface like a window in winter. However, a white, cold surface such as snow actually “reflects” radiant heat and darker surfaces absorb. Basic thermodynamics!

#234 Sask to AB on 11.27.19 at 4:01 pm

re #108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.26.19 at 8:42 pm

Roasted chestnuts are excellent!
You can buy them at the Italian Store.
Usually around Christmas time.
Take a sharp knife, and cut off a small corner of the shell and a bit of the nut to expose the nut. About 1/2 inch by 1/2 inch area, and 1/4 inch deep. This way when you roast them on the bbq the shell can crack and you can peel them, otherwise they are hard to peel. Bbq, turning with tongs to get all sides, for about 20 to 25 mins, they will blacken a bit, then bring them in and peel while hot and enjoy warm!

Wonderful nutty taste, kind of like a brazil nut.

#235 Steven Rowlandson on 11.27.19 at 6:40 pm

Buzz off carbon taxers! We don’t need you on this planet. Your settled science is fraud and a convoluted attempt to rip people off and leave them unprepared for the next major glaciation and the current Eddy minimum mini ice age we are currently 5 years into. Your misinformation, lies and extortion attempt will cost lives or prevent them. You are committing genocide by the big lie!

#236 Chelsea on 11.27.19 at 6:56 pm

It is so hilarious to assume the rain tax… come on people.. BC and the rest of Canada pours down enough rain to drown us out. Yes, next the farts from cats, dogs etc…. horses and cows next. What next! Our blood next! No scruples no brains! Well Canadian government will suck the blood right out of you.. just wait!

#237 AGuyInVancouver on 11.27.19 at 7:54 pm

#236 Steven Rowlandson on 11.27.19 at 6:40 pm
Buzz off carbon taxers! We don’t need you on this planet. Your settled science is fraud and a convoluted attempt to rip people off and leave them unprepared for the next major glaciation and the current Eddy minimum mini ice age we are currently 5 years into. Your misinformation, lies and extortion attempt will cost lives or prevent them. You are committing genocide by the big lie!
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Crawl back under that rock the last glaciation left behind.