Lest we ignore

When the wildfires started again, early, in California President Trump blamed the state for not raking enough. ‘The forest is a mess,’ he said. Maybe so. But the region just went through seven years of drought. Meanwhile July was the hottest month, ever, for the Earth. The last five years have been the hottest five in recorded history.

Dorothy and I were chatting about weather on the weekend. It’s snowed in Ontario and been plus 15 in Nova Scotia. Weirdness for November. The discussion moved into our lives, as we’re the same age. When we were born 2.3 billion people lived. Now the population is 7.7 billion. Same planet, 235% more humans.

Since we were married in 1971 (‘Brown Sugar’, ‘Riders on the Storm’, ‘Imagine’) the number of wild animals has declined 60%. After those 48 years there are three billion fewer birds. Nineteen species alone have lost 50 million members. Over the course of history up to 5 species of creatures a year have gone extinct. That’s now has risen to several dozen – a day. Insect mass is falling 2.5% annually. At that rate, in a century, there’ll be none. No natural plant pollination.

The above, as far as I can ascertain, is fact.

Now, has the climate changed because of people, or because of God? Is it actually altered, or just different weather? What, if anything, can be done about it? What happens when there are ten billion people? Or will tech changes allow infinite growth?

The preponderance of science backs the theory people have changed the planet. Predictions are dire. They’ve spawned climate strikes, enviro warriors like little Greta, Trudeau carbon taxes, the EV craze and angst in Alberta. The debate has hardened. Polls show most people believe there’s a climate problem, while a loud minority cry it’s a hoax. Currently the most powerful single man on the planet is in the latter camp. As a result, the global emissions that science blames for climate change largely continue.

People having babies take a leap of faith, of course. The world in thirty or fifty years could be one of dramatically altered weather, rising sea levels, more storms, impacted agriculture and big economic consequences causing wide population shifts and mass migration. Or, on the other hand, nothing will change. Parents need to decide – if they even think about it.

Research suggests climate change will increase the wealth divide. Developing countries with denser populations and more limited resources in areas where temperature may rise the most will be zonked. Rich western nations may do better. It’s a recipe for conflict. The OECD says climate change will reduce the global economy by between 2% and 10% in the next three decades. To put that in context, the 2008-9 economic crash which almost ushered in a deep recession saw a 4.2% drop in America’s GDP.

Well this post is not written to tell you that man-man climate change is real. Or that it’s not just weather. Or suggest you don’t have babies. Nor whether you should believe Greta, the United Nations and most scientists, or Donald Trump and all the people in the comments section below. It merely seems like prudent risk management to consider that the years you have until retirement, or in it, or the lives of your children, could be a lot different. Blackrock, the giant financial outfit, says almost $4 trillion in US bonds could be impacted by a changing climate and the impact on cities like New York.

One of the major hits could involve mortgages. The Fed Bank of SF says long-term (30-year) home loans could simply be unavailable in large regions. Lenders are reassessing the risk in holding real estate as security in areas increasingly at risk for wildfires, floods, violent storms, local economic disruption or drought. In a conference call Friday the bank detailed the risks of an evolving planet. In some places, it said, there will not be a real estate market at all.

“The result: Entire neighborhoods would empty out, leaving cities unable to shore up their crumbling roads and bridges just as severe weather events become more extreme and more frequent. Home values would fall, potentially depleting the budgets of counties and states. For most people, being unable to get a mortgage in a given neighborhood would rule it out as a place to live. But population flight is a best-case scenario when it comes to the financial system.

“If banks don’t recognize the danger of flood risk and keep lending only to have flooded homeowners default on their mortgages, the events could lead to a cascade of negative events akin to the housing collapse in 2008, which set off the worst recession in 70 years.”

Well, as you know, when the US real estate market tanked the global economy faltered. Governments went into the red zone. Interest rates tanked. Debt exploded. Unemployment spiked. Corporations were bailed out to save jobs. That was a temporary event. Could we deal with a permanent one?

Just a thought, as we recall the stunning sacrifices of past generations to save the world.

208 comments ↓

#1 mitzerboyakaQueencitykidd on 11.10.19 at 4:16 pm

Lest we forget

#2 Flop... on 11.10.19 at 4:30 pm

Well, I didn’t see this coming as the missive of the day but it did remind me of an article I saw recently.

Indonesia is in the process of moving its capital away from Jakarta to higher ground on Borneo due to rising sea levels…

M45BC

#3 mj on 11.10.19 at 4:33 pm

I think everyone can agree that the climate is changing. Whether it’s man made, I don’t think anyone has the answer. I just don’t like when politicians tell us Canada is in a climate emergency when we are not. We have some countries in an emergency, Canada is not one of them. Canada is 1.6 of the world’s emissions. I agree with improving our carbon foot print, but not at the price of killing our economy. Sure we can eliminate our emissions, but that means getting rid of vehicles, stop producing and eating meat, stop our forestry from cutting down trees, stop using electronic devices.

#4 Henry on 11.10.19 at 4:33 pm

Well… if this is on a remembrance day… we have forgotten and we will be ourselves ignored. So sad

#5 canuck on 11.10.19 at 4:35 pm

Carlin was spot on, many years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVE-efyv2c

#6 TurnerNation on 11.10.19 at 4:36 pm

Mr. Market says Commodity prices (coffee, wheat, cocoa, corn are at supreme lows, and no problem growing more Weed than people can handle. Luckily we eat farm animals which are growing fine. I blame housepet phartz!

https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=ZW&p=m1
https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=ZC&p=m1

What could cause Toronto Single Family House prices to drop by lots?
It Will Not be interest rates. Rates are to be kept low giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves with
debt burdens. No, it will be new laws passed, ones conforming to Global standards. National politics are no more, this is all global Agenda all the way.
Your rights you say? As this weblog points out, Property rights are not enshrined at all. You have the
obligation of only paying taxes (rent) to the Crown.

Here’s what will be taking place, all or in part, to force you out of your home and ideally a giant Kando
errected in-place.

1. CRA audits of building supply purchaces. Fines for illegal renos will be compounded and backdated.
What’s a permit fee worth + increased property taxes avoided + fines, all compounded yearly over a number
of years backdated? Shall we say 6-figures? Helocs are tapped out so you will be forced into selling in
the face of continually compounding penalties.

2. A punitive prop tax regime on commercial buildings, taxing them as if a large condo stood there.
Owners are forced into selling their hand a condo developers’ way.
Already taking place, this is in effect NOW:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/propertytax-realestate-toronto-business-restaurant-1.5342015

3. Global standard on “Energy Audits”. Will require tons in rennovations else face compounded and
continous fines. Perfectly good homes boarded up by government men as families wail outside. Climate
change does all that folks. This will be a global standard enforced, no rights of adjustment.
Cannot afford the 6-figure renos or a Heloc? Sell up or face fines.

– Already they are setting us up to eat bugs to “save the planet”; rationing of food This not a joke.
Toronto subway stations and streetcars are wrapped totally in Vegan ads. Who is paying for this, which
elite foundation? This article spells it out, eating bugs is our future:

https://torontolife.com/food/the-future-of-food/

#7 Flanneur on 11.10.19 at 4:40 pm

Yikes! Maybe learn to live or keep living simply as this may be the reality of the future. Paper money could lose much of it value. Or invest in the disaster relief business.

#8 mitzerboyakaQueencitykidd on 11.10.19 at 4:42 pm

If, drunk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe — Such boastings as the Gentiles use, Or lesser breeds without the Law — Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget — lest we forget!

#9 Nathan on 11.10.19 at 4:45 pm

Believe the United nations, the same group that is replacing Saudi Arabia’s delegate on the human rights commision with a delegate from Venezula. Seems like a trustworthy group to leave my children’s future too.

#10 Millennial Realist on 11.10.19 at 4:45 pm

A thoughtful, sober post today, Mr. Turner.

(I will disregard for the moment you calling Greta “little Greta; that is quite unnecessary and if deliberate and not a casual slip is somewhat similar to use of the derogatory ‘n’ word or calling a woman a ‘Barbie” in my opinion, and I would suggest you reconsider that for the future)

You post hints at something that no serious financial planners have yet touched upon, something that I and some of my peers though are seriously considering.

Namely – how to manage your finances, your life plan, your home, your lives in a world of climate change and possible economic and social strife that may take decades to resolve and could subvert our economic norms. How does this impact the standard investment advice that firms, including better ones like yours, give out? I don’t really see anyone taking a lead on this today, short of doomsday preppers buying guns and cans of beans and digging holes.

To be empathetic (yes, we Millennials are capable of this, LOL!) the peril facing younger generations today is not unlike how Boomers reportedly felt about the world in the 60s and 70s, fearing that a nuclear holocaust was always around the corner, always ready to “duck and cover”. Thankfully, that threat has receded greatly, though it is still a remote possibility.

But what faces those of us born after the 40s and 50s and beyond is not just a possibility, it is now very real. It is getting worse, measurably, in real time. Year by year now, we see the problem, we experience and feel the changes ourselves. This will be like tens of thousands of kilotons of nukes actually going off, just in slow motion over a few decades, not some remote scary threat, but real stuff happening. (We may see a massive Arctic ice melt change as early as next summer.)

The older generations (not everyone, of course) are sadly the quickest to engage in ridiculous denial of the threat we all face. They have gained the most from the planet destroying economic status quo, and they have the least at stake as they will be departing soonest.

This is why change is so urgent, now.

OK, Boomers?

#11 Linda on 11.10.19 at 4:47 pm

Climate change & species extinction has happened before. The difference for the human race is that this time there are a lot more of us to feel the impact. For those who deny or ask why we should care, keep in mind that there is no immunity from extinction. In other words, we too can be wiped out as a species. We pride ourselves on our ability to reason. Therefore reason should support our working to mitigate the effects of human activity in regards to climate change.

The sacrifices of previous generations has given us the rights & freedoms we have today. Lets do our part to ensure future generations will get to enjoy them also.

#12 JM on 11.10.19 at 4:52 pm

“We’ll take our chances cause God stops keeping score”.

#13 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 4:55 pm

Wow. Great post. But sad.

I fear for my children’s future, and sometimes wonder if I did them any favours bringing them into this world – though it has been kind to them so far. Concerned about our planet and pursuing careers in science, I’m hopeful they will contribute in their own small ways towards positive change.

#14 espressobob on 11.10.19 at 4:59 pm

It’s not complicated. The world is over populated at least ten fold. And more coming.

Change is difficult to accept. 20 thousand years ago north America was under a sheet of ice. On the grand scale of things that was like yesterday.

The real mystery lies in the hearts of those who gave their lives for our freedom many of us take for granted. They have my respect in a big way! It’s a debt we can never repay.

#15 TurnerNation on 11.10.19 at 5:02 pm

I’d actually written my predictionns post today before blog was written.
Humans are funny. Our way of adaption is spraying Monsanto poison over everything and wondering why bees are dying. And putting the most toxic element Mercury into dental fillings.
While memory diseases and autism skyrocket.

Science eh, is there any thing it cannot do cause they sure are…they know what they do.

#16 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 5:07 pm

100% Agreement Garth.

Whether we as a species are responsible for climate change is moot.
7.7 billion mouths to feed and climbing.
Crop failures due to weather ( human caused or a natural climate cycle) will only raise the cost of food and level of stress for everyone and everything.

Factory ships hoovering up fish at an unreplenishable rate.
Poachers hunting the last wild rhino for its mythical “healing powdered horn”……
All while “Ketchup on Steak” Trump pontificates on the “messy forest” causing fires……
We are led by self serving fools who couldn’t tie their own shoes without guidance.
I hope people like eating dried jellyfish for a main course in 50 years.

Cue the Climate Denier ostriches …….

#17 Re-Cowtown on 11.10.19 at 5:11 pm

The older generations (not everyone, of course) are sadly the quickest to engage in ridiculous denial of the threat we all face. They have gained the most from the planet destroying economic status quo, and they have the least at stake as they will be departing soonest.

This is why change is so urgent, now.

OK, Boomers?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The one advantage to being a Boomer is that we’ve been lied to so many times that we can call BS from a million miles away. The “Climate Emergency” is just another in a long list of crap that we’ve been told and we see it as nothing more than that.

Millenials have yet to wear the dregs of the lies that they have been told. Once that happens they’ll under stand why Boomers tend to not react to the rabid pronouncements of politicians.

OK Millenials?

#18 The Hammer on 11.10.19 at 5:11 pm

Nature bats last.

#19 Old Dog New Tricks on 11.10.19 at 5:15 pm

The mass atrocities and genocide of the 20th century were absolutely horrendous – unthinkable what humans are capable of. I’ve spent a lot of time with my children on this topic as I feel strongly that if we don’t teach the next generation the lessons of history that our futures will most certainly be in peril.

While some people may argue the validity of climate change. There is one thing that we already know with absolute certainty – it may only take a few people that have forgotten to end us all. I will be honoring with my family this Rememberance Day those that sacrificed for us so we could live the blessed lives that we have. It amazes me on a daily basis how awesome life is. We all need to do our part to keep these collective memories alive. Lest we forget.

#20 alph on 11.10.19 at 5:17 pm

Lest we forget. Indeed. How will future generations judge us? Thoughtful post. Thanks Garth.

#21 NoName on 11.10.19 at 5:18 pm

#2 Flop… on 11.10.19 at 4:30 pm
Well, I didn’t see this coming as the missive of the day but it did remind me of an article I saw recently.

Indonesia is in the process of moving its capital away from Jakarta to higher ground on Borneo due to rising sea levels…

M45BC


See level is constant, ground is sinking in Jakarta. Total amount of fresh water, frozen ingrund and above ground can not reise see level to flod countries, it accounts only to 2.5% total water on planet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jakarta-sinking-indonesia-capital-city-borneo-sea-2019-08-27/

And my 3rd favorite country that is pretend ing that is eco friendly is reising .7cm per year…

https://correctiv.org/en/latest-stories/sea-level-rising/2017/07/28/where-the-land-rises-faster-than-the-sea

#22 Axehead on 11.10.19 at 5:22 pm

If all the world, all 8 billion, lived as they do in New York, all of us could fit in the state of Texas. All of us. There is lots of room, there is lots to go around, and the planet has always been changing – sometimes with drastic consequences. It really comes down to motive and choice. Just saying.

#23 Sargent on 11.10.19 at 5:22 pm

Garth, are you confusing climate change with things like pollution and the heavy use of pesticides?

If we really want to fight something, then why not at least find the correct cause of the problem?

#24 Jesse on 11.10.19 at 5:23 pm

#10 Millennial Realist on 11.10.19 at 4:45 pm
A thoughtful, sober post today, Mr. Turner.

(I will disregard for the moment you calling Greta “little Greta; that is quite unnecessary and if deliberate and not a casual slip is somewhat similar to use of the derogatory ‘n’ word or calling a woman a ‘Barbie” in my opinion, and I would suggest you reconsider that for the future)
**************************

And there it is…the eternally offended millennial rears its ugly head. This is why so many millennials are embarrassed to be associated with other millennials.

I weep for the future.

At least I’m a 30 year old boomer: https://youtu.be/Rr8QaMlSLjE

#25 Captain Uppa on 11.10.19 at 5:40 pm

Yes, climate change is very real.

No, it will not be the end of us.

#26 Politico on 11.10.19 at 5:41 pm

And so it begins…

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-fair-deal-panel-1.5354642

I am not sure any of this will come to fruition or Kenny is just weighting his bat.

#27 Politico on 11.10.19 at 5:42 pm

Whoops sorry for the double post. I got an error the first time but it must have gone through. Feel free to delete the second one and this one.

#28 Paul on 11.10.19 at 5:45 pm

little Greta; little Greta; little Greta; little Greta; little Greta;

#29 conan on 11.10.19 at 5:47 pm

I heard that some owners in the fire belt of California can no longer buy property insurance. No insurance means no mortgage. Meaning, the house just became worthless.
Expect this to happen in other areas.

#30 JSN on 11.10.19 at 5:48 pm

I did PLQ at CFB Bordon in December. Had a week in the field. However we had great thermo sleeping bags and no one was trying to kill us.

Hats off to the boys that did so much more with much, much less in France and Germany.

Also hats off to the boys that were in the Battle of the Atlantic.

Until youre chipping ice off the upper deck of your ship off the coast of NFLD and LBD., You have no idea what cold is.

#31 Sqiule on 11.10.19 at 5:48 pm

#70 Smoking Man on 11.09.19 at 3:37 am
Long-Time Lurker on 11.08.19 at 8:36 pm
Hey, Smokey. Your wife is a top investor:


…..

She’s up to 2.2million. I have tax problem now.
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Pass Go and collect $200 too. So much imaginary money.

#32 You know val on 11.10.19 at 5:51 pm

That’s pretty scary stuff….wondering how the world would look if it was mandatory for all gummerments to sell green bonds…na ..it makes to.much sense.

#33 Long-Time Lurker on 11.10.19 at 5:51 pm

>I remain a skeptic of the fossil-fuel-based-carbon-emission-global-warming THEORY. The Earth’s climate has changed throughout it’s existence. Back in the early 1980’s the scientists were warning about a coming ice age then the warning changed to global warming (Al Gore $), now the warning is about climate change.

The global warming “scientists” keep committing fraudulent science in their research which gets regularly pointed out. So why should I not doubt them?

Climate Scientists Are Now Suing Critics Who Challenge ‘Settled Science’
12/08/2017

Global Warming: We keep hearing how climate change is “settled science,” even though science is never settled. But if it were, why are scientists going to court to intimidate those who would dare challenge the global warming dogma?…

…Back in June, the National Academy of Sciences published a paper with a typically bland title: “Evaluation of a proposal for reliable low-cost grid power with 100% wind, water, and solar.”

The paper, which had 21 authors, was a robust critique of work done by Stanford professor Mark Jacobson, whose widely cited research claimed that the U.S. could easily switch to 100% renewable energy in as few as 35 years.

In their response, the authors said Jacobson’s work suffered “significant shortcomings” including “invalid modeling tools … modeling errors, and … implausible and inadequately supported assumptions.”…

…Jacobson isn’t the first such scientist to sue his critics. Pennsylvania State University climatologist Michael Mann sued Canadian climatologist Tim Ball several years ago for defamation of character after Ball challenged Mann’s famous global warming “hockey stick” paper.

In that paper, Mann purported to show that the current warming trend looked like the working end of a hockey stick compared with global temperatures stretching all the way back to year 1,000. Ball and other scientists wanted to see the data Mann had used, suspecting that he’d “adjusted” the temperature record to make the present look unusually warm. Ball’s version of the temperature record showed the medieval period as warmer than the present. At one point, Ball said that Mann “should be in the State Pen, not Penn State.”…

…Whatever the intent of these lawsuits, the effect is to chill scientific research and debate. Scientists will think twice about challenging any aspect of the climate change religion if the result could be an expensive lawsuit.

Makes one wonder what Francis Bacon would think of the state of climate science today.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/global-warming-science-lawsuits/

The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science
January 21, 2014
by Tim Ball

Dr. Tim Ball exposes the malicious misuse of climate science as it was distorted by dishonest brokers to advance the political aspirations of the progressive left.

https://www.amazon.com/Deliberate-Corruption-Climate-Science/dp/0988877740

#34 Long-Time Lurker on 11.10.19 at 5:53 pm

>The Federal Liberals invested in General Fusion. You can read about it in the article’s link. Nuclear fusion research is important research and development no matter what the results are.

Nuclear fusion is ‘a question of when, not if’

By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent
6 November 2019

The prospects for developing nuclear fusion as a feasible source of energy have significantly improved, say experts.

The UK government has recently announced an investment of £200m to deliver electricity from a fusion reactor by 2040.

Private companies and governments have told the BBC they aim to have demonstration models working within five years.

But huge hurdles remain, say critics.

With the price of wind and solar continuing to drop, experts say these existing renewables might offer a more economical and timely method of tackling climate change and generating energy than an unproven technology like fusion…

…One of the main challengers with ambitions to make fusion work is a company based in British Columbia, Canada called General Fusion. Their approach, which has gathered a lot of attention and backing from the likes of Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, combines cutting edge physics with off the shelf technology….

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50267017

#35 TurnerNation on 11.10.19 at 5:54 pm

Wow Insects going extinct? I wish.
Ever tried dealing with mosquitoes or black flies?
Or ridding a contained area from Cockroaches, bedbugs or Ants?
You can lob WMD at them and they’ll return still.
Who knew a bit of climate change is all you’ll need.
It Does That.

Looking forward to picking up cheap lakefront property in the coming yeads. Retirement.
And it’ll be free of annoying insects too apparently ROTFLOL. Can’t wait.

#36 Dave on 11.10.19 at 5:54 pm

Yeah, but Alberta has a right to pollute because they are being ignored by Ottawa. Who cares about the environment when they can’t make enough to drive around in their SUVs?

#37 BlogDog123 on 11.10.19 at 5:55 pm

Technology and Policy to the rescue, yet again:

Where would these be without technology and global policy:
1) The Netherlands (reclaim land from the sea)
2) Montreal Protocol (ozone depletion)
3) New Orleans (dikes, pumping, flood control, oops Katrina)
4) Polio, Malaria, Hepatitis A/B, Cholera
5) Global infant mortality rates
6) Future Food supply (google: Soldier Fly protein)
7) Water purification
8) Eliminate DDT, anti-smog, catalytic converters, engine emission control systems

etc…

#38 saskatoon on 11.10.19 at 5:58 pm

look up at the bizarre cloud formations lately?

all you gotta do is…LOOK…UP.

of course, it’s the government spraying us like bugs in a corn field.

here’s a list of hundreds of geo-engineering (i.e., spraying) patents extending back to 1891, in case your neck hurts:

https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/

P.S. LOOK UP

#39 Timmy on 11.10.19 at 6:00 pm

ExxonMobil, for example, currently faces investigations by multiple state attorneys general centering on how the oil giant communicated about climate change and the risk of climate regulation to investors and to the public.

““Oil majors are projecting themselves as key players in the energy transition while lobbying to delay, weaken, or oppose meaningful climate policy,” Edward Collins of the UK-based think tank InfluenceMap said in a March statement accompanying a report he authored on public relations campaigns by oil and gas giants. “They advocate gradual implementation of market-based and technological climate solutions, but the latest [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report makes clear that urgent policy action and limitations on fossil fuel use are needed to avoid dangerous climate change.”

#40 Captain Uppa on 11.10.19 at 6:03 pm

As for population, overcrowding is a myth. Pop will decline dramatically.

source: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/the-world-might-actually-run-out-of-people/amp

#41 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 6:12 pm

While we can’t be sure if change of climate is natural or not, these coming actions are made by people, listed by Morgan Stanley.

If you find the list too long, here is the skinny: more debt, more taxes, more QE, globally, as far as we can see into the future.

– more than US$50 trillion of capital will need to be deployed into renewables, EVs, hydrogen, biofuels and carbon capture and storage over the next 30 years, putting US$3-10 trillion of EBIT up for grabs

– If governments are serious about halting climate change, some form of stimulus will be needed

– Taxes should be another means of incentivizing investment in low-carbon technologies

– a global tax is needed

– change may come over the next 12 months.Significantly, awareness and concern about climate change among the general population are growing, driven by more frequent extreme weather, media coverage and actions by protest groups

– Climate and carbon could also become drivers of QE. Christine Lagarde has made it abundantly clear that climate change will be a priority during her tenure as ECB president, suggesting that the central bank might use monetary policy to support a climate-friendly stance

#42 Alberta Ed on 11.10.19 at 6:14 pm

The vast majority of apocalyptic climate catastrophe predictions amount to so much nonsense, once you drill down into them and consider the sources — something the scientifically illiterate MSM seems incapable of doing.

#43 TurnerNation on 11.10.19 at 6:16 pm

Apologies for 4th post – very Brooksian.
I just realized how our elites will do it.
Conspiracy folks even present a future map showing most of USA made off limits to people.
Simply have the people like kindly old Buffet deny insurance and watch familes and farms fold.

Hearded into cities and wholly dependent on record high government electricity prices and of course government soylent food
With a stroke of a pen the insurers can imprison us all into cities.
Toronto is ready – with an unending pipeline of 50-80 storey condos. Perfect for Air B&B shooting parties. A record number of shooting here this year. This’ll be fun going forward right kids?
All this in a city with full-up a two-track subway line from the 1960s and bike lanes which tomorrow will be covered in the first snowfall.
Yes climate change can do all this while the government brings tons more people into this city. And it’s not like T2 is paying you more for having kids right? It’s all about Climate change.
Or Google UN agenda 2021 and 2030 they have laid it out.
I’m just a rational onshore observer.

#44 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 6:18 pm

@#28 paul
‘little greta, little greta, little greta……”

*******

good one.

#45 Yanniel on 11.10.19 at 6:18 pm

Incidentally last night I watched “Decoding the weather machine” by Nova. Pretty sobering.

#46 yvrmc on 11.10.19 at 6:29 pm

#10 M.R. ….. you kidding ? “little Greta ” akin to using the N word…. really ? An over sensitive , over reactive “little Millenial Realist ” you would be …..

#47 Dogman01 on 11.10.19 at 6:31 pm

I have no doubt that Human impact on the environment is negative and on a trendline that is unsustainable, Climate Change and species extinction are near or at crisis levels.

The only socially realistic solutions I have encountered:
• Move all coal fired electricity power plants to Natural Gas.
• Big shift to “New” Nuclear energy.
• Small but mass improvements like LED bulbs.

Unfortunately the Climate Change agenda while pro-porting to address the above problem is instead being leveraged for a social agenda. An agenda that just by threads obliquely address climate change solutions.

See Question 2 and the answer at 1:10 Min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-wAxnAG54U
– this is the scary agenda!

There is a direct avoidance of addressing the root cause; Overpopulation, that avoidance creates suspicion that the “crisis” is simply being leveraged for other purposes.

The fact that automobiles pollute only becomes a problem of sufficient magnitude to attract public attention when far worse problems that the internal combustion engine solves has vanished from view. People stricken with poverty don’t care about carbon dioxide. It is not precisely that CO2 levels are irrelevant. It’s that they’re irrelevant when you’re working yourself to death. starving, scraping a bare living from thorn and thistle infested ground. It’s that they’re irrelevant until the tractor is invented and hundreds of millions stop starving.

The response thus far has been childish. The solutions not effective.
The “screw you buddy” system of capitalism will not move us forward…need some adults in the room.

#48 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 6:33 pm

One thing is certain: globalist economy is not carbon friendly.

Hauling resources, processed goods around the world back and forth several times before they find their way to paying consumers is carbon-insane.

To use the rhetoric: it “destroys the planet” to make better corporate return.

If you are really serious about people made climate change, don’t look too far: check your portfolio. The encapsulation of global carbon sins.

Put your money where your mouth is. Divest accordingly, OK portfolio?

#49 Dogman01 on 11.10.19 at 6:35 pm

The automobile quote is Jordan Peterson, missed that.
I stand on the shoulders of giants…..hence reading this blog.

#50 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 6:35 pm

@#30 JSN
“Until youre chipping ice off the upper deck of your ship off the coast of NFLD and LBD., You have no idea what cold is.”
++++++

Yep.
Talked to a vet about 10 years ago that served on the Corvettes that were on Convoy duty in WWII
The first year they had open wheelhouses. No windows, no heat…..in the North Atlantic in winter…… A wave would come smashing in and soak everyone. A miserable 4 hour watch.
They covered the openings with canvas, plywood, whatever they could scrounge until eventually the newer ones started arriving with……. windows.

https://legionmagazine.com/en/2010/01/scrappy-little-corvettes-navy-part-37/

#51 theoryAndPractice on 11.10.19 at 6:44 pm

#6 TurnerNation on 11.10.19 at 4:36 pm
Toronto subway stations and streetcars are wrapped totally in Vegan ads. Who is paying for this, which
elite foundation?
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Answer :), The ones who will/expect profit over marketing vegan foods. Ah, one more thing to add, these guys and the ones who markets non-vegan foods are probably the same guys…

#52 Flop... on 11.10.19 at 6:46 pm

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#2 Flop… on 11.10.19 at 4:30 pm
Well, I didn’t see this coming as the missive of the day but it did remind me of an article I saw recently.

Indonesia is in the process of moving its capital away from Jakarta to higher ground on Borneo due to rising sea levels…

M45BC


See level is constant, ground is sinking in Jakarta. Total amount of fresh water, frozen ingrund and above ground can not reise see level to flod countries, it accounts only to 2.5% total water on planet.

Hey Van, yeah that’s part of it.

I saw that they looked into shoring up the city because 40% is below sea level but they seem to have decided that the money would be better pumped into relocation due to the susceptibility due to actual or possibilities of rising sea levels.

The climate is one side of things, but this passage in Garths post reminded me of Jakarta…

“The result: Entire neighborhoods would empty out, leaving cities unable to shore up their crumbling roads and bridges just as severe weather events become more extreme and more frequent. Home values would fall, potentially depleting the budgets of counties and states. For most people, being unable to get a mortgage in a given neighborhood would rule it out as a place to live. But population flight is a best-case scenario when it comes to the financial system.”

So moving/rebuilding government infrastructure is one thing but surely they would havefind a way to compensate all the land owners, business owners etc who will be severely affected after the government packs up and leaves.

Can you imagine what would be left in Ottawa if the government decided to relocate to, say, Winnipeg, to be more central…

M45BC

#53 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 6:50 pm

@#78 Brian Ripley
Re the APT (‘flat”)tax system

Fascinating idea but i think the accountants, lawyers and govt bureaucrats will crush it before it has a chance….

http://www.chpc.biz/uploads/9/7/9/5/9795010/taxation_for_the_21st_century.pdf

#54 Oakville stinks on 11.10.19 at 6:51 pm

We can save the planet simply by drastically reducing planned obsolescence and making it illegal to produce, import and sell junk that usually comes with a huge carbon footprint. Imagine the drastic reduction in carbon and junk in our landfills!

#55 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 6:52 pm

There are certainly many things to be concerned about in the world today, but worrying about them all at once seems overwhelming.

I personally think the decline of insect populations is the most pressing problem because of the effect it has on the food chain. And the thing is this is an issue we can do something about, because we know what’s causing it: Overuse of pesticides. Pesticides for the most part are indiscriminate, they don’t just kill the bugs the farmers don’t like, they kill all the bugs.

The bug problem is probably also the bird problem as many birds eat bugs. So we could fix two problems with one solution if we could lay off the pesticides. Which seems to make sense if there are already less bugs. But don’t tell that to Bayer AG.

All forests (except rain forests) catch fire eventually, but that is a fact that seems lost to most people. But environmental regulations that prevent forest management make them more common and more severe. Add to the fact that more and more people live in the forests without proper fire breaks and the problem seems more exacerbated than it actually is. When I was in Fort McMurray it struck me how the burnt trees went right to the parking lot of the hotel I was staying at. Why on earth you would let a forest stand right up to the edge of a major town is beyond me. There should have been a fire break with just cows grazing. Not sure how big it would have to be but having trees come right to the houses was a mistake. It was inevitable they would burn eventually. It’s just part of the life cycle of a forest. So Trump is correct in his statements that the situation in California is worse than it needs to be due to the way the forests have been managed, forest fires will never go away completely. Forest fires are part of the life cycle of a forest and they have been since there were forests.

I don’t know what can be done about the 7.7 billion people. It’s not the western world that is causing this. Most western nations are in population decline without immigration. Somehow we would have to convince the people in other less prosperous countries to stop having so many children, but there are many cultural, religious, and economic obstacles to this.

The trend in carbon emissions, whether they are causing global warming or not, is not going to change directions unless China does something to curtail emissions, which they won’t. This is a classic example of “the tragedy of the commons”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#:~:targetText=The%20tragedy%20of%20the%20commons,resource%20through%20their%20collective%20action.

So things like implementing a carbon tax in tiny ol’ Canada where it’s cold and things are far apart is nothing but virtue signalling. It will have zero effect on what happens. It’s just moral grandstanding.

Anyway, the crying babies should stop complaining. The reason there are so many people is because life expectancy has gone way up due to the technological revolution. Life is better now than it has ever been for many more people. Even a short 200 years ago kings did not live as well as the average Canadian does now. Cell phone service was terrible back then.

Sure, progress has its drawbacks, but putting a deranged teenager in front of a panel to point fingers is not the way to solve them. We should be thanking the folks who went before us for the wonderful lives we enjoy and working together on solutions that can help, not deriding them for the downside of things. They brought themselves out of short, miserable existences and created this world we now enjoy. Who could blame them? They didn’t know they were causing global warming. We should thank them, not point fingers. They thought they were building a better world, and they did. Now it’s up to us to continue the effort. It does no good to point fingers, because when you point one finger at someone else, three point back at you.

You called Greta ‘insane’ and I warned you. Now you call her ‘deranged.’ Amazing what influence a 16-year-old female child has on you. – Garth

#56 not 1st on 11.10.19 at 6:52 pm

This summer was the coolest in a decade here on the prairies and northern US and if you don’t believe it go ask the guys still trying to get their crops off in the snowbanks trying to feed you all.

Stop listening to the MSM bleat. All high temp records predate the modern oil age by years. Luduc strike was 1947. There was 5 billion fewer people and nobody could afford a car. See for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_in_Canada

Unless somebody is going to argue that we are going to warm up and not set any new high records. They told us higher highs. Maybe californias problem is just too many people and not CO2.

There is as much evidence of a GSM as there is global warming.

#57 Smoking Man on 11.10.19 at 6:53 pm

Next time a bun head says “ok boomer.”
Send them this clip.

https://youtu.be/hLpE1Pa8vvI

#58 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 6:56 pm

@mj re: ” I think everyone can agree that the climate is changing. Whether it’s man made, I don’t think anyone has the answer. ”

Yes, we have the answer. Wake up mj.

#59 not 1st on 11.10.19 at 6:57 pm

#47 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 6:33 pm
—-

The most logical post in this history of this blog. If you are scared of CO2 then don’t advocate for transhipping resources and finished goods all over the planet.

You know fragile forest in BC is clear cut, trucked down the mountain, reloaded to rail car, to ports, reloaded to ships, shipped to china to be cut into ikea pieces that will be in the landfill in a year.

Maybe if Greta knew that she could launch a threatening I dare you at the globalists.

#60 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 7:01 pm

@Nonplussed re: ” Sure, progress has its drawbacks, but putting a deranged teenager in front of a panel to point fingers is not the way to solve them.”

What a sad comment. Do you find it completely implausible that a 16 year old should give a shit about the future while you, much older, seemingly do not? And why the name-calling? Look in the mirror. What do you see? I see an old man who doesn’t care.

#61 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 7:10 pm

re “You called Greta ‘insane’ and I warned you. Now you call her ‘deranged.’ Amazing what influence a 16-year-old female child has on you. – Garth”

Nonplussed cannot handle the truth Garth. Is it because he hates the thought of the viability of future humanity and biodiversity? Or is it because he really just does not want to accept that mankind has been the most destructive animal ever on this planet? Time for a reset, unfortunately.

#62 not 1st on 11.10.19 at 7:11 pm

Of course there is a larger conversation to be had about the overall carrying capacity of the planet and in cities too.

People live in carboard boxes and no access to the factors of survival. Stuffing 10m or even 20 or 50m people in cities is a recipe for dystopia that has nothing to do with the climate.

Living woke and near the raptors game isn’t going to do much for your when the rubber hits the road.

#63 cowtown cowboy on 11.10.19 at 7:12 pm

Nice post today..I had 2 relatives pay the ultimate sacrifice in WW2..can’t help to look around at times and wonder what it was all for.

Father in Law just booked his last 1-way ticket this morning..definitely gives you pause

Another 3 inches or so of the white stuff today for our 3rd decent snow fall already this year…supposed to be +12 next weekend…weather in Calgary is always pretty strange but the sun does shine an awful lot

If we want to do something about climate change we should be exporting as much of our energy as we can to the 3rd world as fast as possible to raise them out of poverty so they stop having 7 kids and building new coal plants every week, that way they might actually give a sh!t about the environment and we can all be in this together…like Bud Fox says ‘How many yachts can you water-ski behind’….

#64 FreeBird on 11.10.19 at 7:15 pm

Climate science denier funding from big sources…

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/climate-denial-machine-how-fossil-fuel-industry-blocks-climate-action

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/11/google-contributions-climate-change-deniers

#65 BS on 11.10.19 at 7:17 pm

“Now, has the climate changed because of people, or because of God?”

Neither actually. It is something that has been happening for millions of years long before humans and the idea of god.

But regardless what won’t help is all of these progressive ideas being forced down our throats:

– Increasing taxes and calling them carbon taxes.
– Massive migration from poorer countries to richer countries where those immigrants will consume more.
– Elites flying around the world in private planes having lavish meetings to discuss climate change.
– Exporting jobs to developing nations so their population becomes wealthier and consumes more while the manufacturing in those countries ignores environmental regulations used in the west. Then consume more energy shipping stuff around the world.
– Urban sprawl because of arbitrary green belts or agriculture land reserves around cities.
– Pumping the price of housing so people buy more house than they need because the value always goes up.
– Banning straws in North America because Asian and African countries dump they garbage in the oceans and rivers.

#66 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 7:20 pm

In my afternoon nap Greta, the teenage climate messiah appeared.

The stern look on her face, even before she started to talk, made me realize that my S&P500 ETF, my TSX ETF and some more, are carbon crime against humanity.

I felt ashamed to be an accessory in this horrendous crime.

Tomorrow morning I call my dealer, I will ask him to repent and give up on peddling this sinful product, no matter how profitable it is. I can no longer be part of this shameful crime.

Greta’s face turned as I never see it before: she smiled and said gently: OK portfolio.

#67 Dogman01 on 11.10.19 at 7:27 pm

The solution is likely to be AI. (the busy child version).
Solutions proposed that will have no bias and no agenda …no “screw you buddy” and no reward my friends and group.

I know humans and I don’t trust them….but AI…I might go along.

In the classic lyrics of Megadeth….

“If there’s a new way
Oh, I’ll be the first in line
But it better work this time”

#68 Grunt on 11.10.19 at 7:27 pm

Everyday at work I gaze across the turning basin at the disused Hearn Generating Plant and am thankful its that. The number one pollution device in Toronto history burns no more anthracite coal in the daily thousands of tons. No more Sulphur Oxide and Sulphur Dioxide emissions. Top producers of acid rain. President Trump wants to bring that back. Then there’s China, the one party system doing its best to bring electric buses and cars into daily routine.

As we pay homage to Remembrance Day the Germans are focused on the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. The country that started two world wars now sees a resurgence of the AfD or far right. Ironically In the former East Germany. Then of course there’s Trump again who’d like to build a new wall. The irony of it all.

#69 islander on 11.10.19 at 7:31 pm

‘The world in thirty or fifty years could be one of dramatically altered weather, rising sea levels, more storms, impacted agriculture and big economic consequences causing wide population shifts and mass migration’ (Garth)

I don’t think we’ll have to wait 30 more years…seems we are experiencing the above already!

I’m not sure why we continue to fund science programs at universities if we refuse to act on scientists’ advice regarding climate change/global warming. It’s the rapidity of the climate change that points to humans being responsible. No one’s arguing that over the millennia, the climate changes. However the rapidity of the change in weather patterns (shifting jet streams, melting Arctic/Antarctic ice, desertification etc.) since the industrial revolution is dramatic and will have far reaching consequences for us all.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31102018/jet-stream-climate-change-study-extreme-weather-arctic-amplification-temperature

Interestingly weather and climate are “core business” for the insurance industry.

When actuaries start calling out the problem of climate change/global warming, maybe then governments around the world will start to listen.

Nothing talks like money.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2019/09/24/1920229/0/en/Canada-s-actuaries-call-for-greater-action-on-climate-related-financial-risks.html

https://actuaries.asn.au/Library/Events/Conventions/2003/1050%20coleman7a.pdf

“The five-year moving average of climate extremes and sea level across the U.S. and Canada combined reached a new high with data released for winter 2018–19. The five-year moving average of the ACI increased to 1.10 from 1.02, the largest quarter-to-quarter change over the period studied, January 1961 through February 2019. Rising sea levels and more frequent high temperatures are sustaining this rising long-term trend. The ACI can be found at http://www.actuariesclimateindex.org.”

http://actuariesclimateindex.org/home/

#70 I'm Alright Jack on 11.10.19 at 7:33 pm

Biological science shows that every time a population like ours realizes exponential growth, it is followed, at some point, by an exponential collapse. This happens each and every time in biological systems.

Biology will solve the human problem, probably due to a tiny little virus that will wipe most of humanity out. Then we will have something very real to worry about, rather than a degree or two of a slightly warming climate.

#71 Sierts on 11.10.19 at 7:36 pm

#10 Millennial Realist on 11.10.19 at 4:45 pm

….
This is why change is so urgent, now.

OK, Boomers?

—-

Ok, but…

If you’ve got moskitos in the kitchen and in the bathroom – do you spray just in the living room, argueing, that there you can smell, that you did something?

If climate change, wildlife extinction and other desastrious problems are a consequence of excessive growth of human populations, why does ‘everybody’ want to fight these problems, where they are the least gravely felt?
Why do ‘we’ fight them in countries, that ‘need’ immigration to maintain a growing overpopulation?
Why don’t we fight population growth in africa, middle east and south asia?
(only the chinese really did something drastic, just where the problem is/was)

p.s.:
reading your nick, reminded me of a nasty joke, told often here in south america:

a millenial optimist learns chinese.
a millenial pessimist learns arabic.
a millenial realist learns to shoot.

#72 Yukon Elvis on 11.10.19 at 7:38 pm

Climate change is here to stay. It is the new 21st century religion. The perfect platform for virtue signalling and emotional grandstanding. Accuse others of being deniers, heathens, infidels and ignoramuses. Display your moral superiority. And maybe you can get elected and/or make a few bucks too.

#73 leebow on 11.10.19 at 7:44 pm

What this really questions is one’s positioning on the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. You thought you are at the self-actualization level? Nah, you don’t really have your physical safety.

And for the richest 0.0001%, the choices are even more consequential – a turboprop, or a jet?

#74 Dr V on 11.10.19 at 7:46 pm

Some good practical advice for reducing the risk to your home from wildfires. Standard stuff in new subdivisions.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/public-safety-and-emergency-services/wildfire-status/prevention/prevention-home-community/bcws_homeowner_firesmart_manual.pdf

#75 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 7:48 pm

#Flop

Can you imagine what would be left in Ottawa if the government decided to relocate to, say, Winnipeg, to be more central…

The land would return to natives, who know how to live there respectfully to Mother Earth, without assistance from people, who showed up there uninvited.

#76 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 7:53 pm

You called Greta ‘insane’ and I warned you. Now you call her ‘deranged.’ Amazing what influence a 16-year-old female child has on you. – Garth

I didn’t use her name but I suppose the reference was clear enough. Anyway she has had “an influence” on all of us. “How dare you!” is now a permanent part of our collective minds.

Is she “insane”? “Deranged”? Word is she couldn’t get home because she wouldn’t go on an airplane, even though the plane probably had empty seats and the folks manning her yacht flew back and forth. The yacht trip was simply theatrics, there would have been a much lower carbon footprint if she just flew.

Greta is nothing but a propaganda effort. We cannot leave the future of the world and the economy to the hands of people, children dare I say, that have not yet completed grade school. And we shouldn’t be scaring the bejezus out of them either. Let them enjoy their childhood and let the adults work on the problems.

This whole thing has the air of the nuclear bomb drills kids did in the 60’s, where they had to hide under their desks, as if that would help. Strangely, no nuclear war came. The air raid sirens never went off, except for testing or malfunctions.

I was raised a fundamentalist Christian, for which I blame my parents. As a result, Armageddon has come and gone for me perhaps a dozen times in my adult years, but yet day to day life hasn’t seemed to change all that much. Eventually I came to believe that part of the bible wasn’t probably anymore accurate than the creation story. But the fear of impending doom never left me. I still see it in every headline. But now, with many years of expecting the worst and then it isn’t so bad, I am beginning to see that all that is happening is someone is trying to sell a book or some ads on a supposed news channel. The end is not near.

The retort to “How dare you?” is simple. I had to get to work.

“How dare you?” I’ll tell you how my parents and grandparents “dared”, and theirs before them. They wanted a better life for themselves and for me. And for Greta. And everyone. And they achieved it. We should be thanking them.

And it seems, “dare” I say, that she has had quite an affect on you as well. Whatever her age, she has been made a public spectacle, put forward as an influencer, and injected into the public discourse. This of course would have never happened unless there were adult handlers behind every move. But nonetheless, there she is a public figure. So she and her handlers are open to public criticism. But you defend her in the same way you attack Trump. So we probably both have logs in our eyes. How we are going to help each-other resolve that problem remains to be seen.

The main difference between Greta and Trump is that Greta should never have been put up to this at her age. Trump is a grown boy and knew what he was getting into, so fine. He expected to have critics and enemies. Greta, on the other hand, should have been allowed a normal upbringing but her parents, who are both actors by they way, turned her into something of a circus attraction. Shame on them, not her. No 16 year old should be tasked with saving the world. God didn’t even ask Jesus to do it until he was 30.

Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth

#77 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 7:58 pm

@Yukon Elvis #70.

The fight for the survival of human and other life on the planet has nothing to do with moral superiority, and everything to do with awe of nature and sincere desire that humankind can evolve into a kinder, gentler animal. Personally, I doubt it, but giving up is not an option.

#78 Sail Away on 11.10.19 at 8:04 pm

The solution to the climate question is dead simple and would be immediately fixed if an artificial intelligence or Thanos were in charge.

Problem: too many humans
Solution: too obvious

#79 NoName on 11.10.19 at 8:10 pm

@flop

Can you imagine what would be left in Ottawa if the government decided to relocate to, say, Winnipeg, to be more central…

The result: Entire neighborhoods would empty out, leaving cities unable to shore up their crumbling roads and bridges just as severe weather events become more extreme and more frequent. Home values would fall, potentially depleting the budgets of counties and states. For most people, being unable to get a mortgage in a given neighborhood would rule it out as a place to live. But population flight is a best-case scenario when it comes to the financial system.

I can, it describes fall of yougoslavia, minus the weather part and few minor detiels. Question is for almond milk sipping, guacamoly toast eating crowd, can they imagine…

But let me tell you what i did last weekend, friend of mine made sith tru 4 dvds ducumentari about wwi, from the moment when Gavrilo drop his sandwich and wlaked out to the street. To the last few days when kaiser tells max off you go, sign what ever they give you.

this one
https://ihffilm.com/dvd325.html

And on a side note my daughter red “In Flanders Fields” at the legion few yrs back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BlOkpdkg8 (someone else but same poem)

#80 Yuus bin Haad on 11.10.19 at 8:12 pm

The last time I was chatting with Barry, I wondered if, with all this talk about climate change, he and Miche weren’t nervous about offering all that money for a property on Martha’s Vineyard. “Hell.”, he said, “If I hadn’t been pushing this climate change nonsense, it would have been double!”

#81 Stan Brooks on 11.10.19 at 8:14 pm

We are running out of fossil fuels.

+ the climate is expected to keep changing.
https://www.amazon.com/New-Ice-Age-Climate-Change-ebook/dp/B00X15M7U2

We are polluting the environment thanks to the GMO food and the use of pesticides and over industrialization.

Climate change is it seems the selected politically correct new religion that blames the consumer and not the big businesses responsible for the pollution.
It also allows for nice taxation and some quick bucks for governments around.

The global warming aspect of it was under attack due to largely ignoring things like solar activity and volcanoes and blaming everything on CO2 and cow farts.

But the real problem is that there is too many of us on the beach, turning into useless eaters in an era of automation while the elites are enjoying their sun baths and organic food (I am hearing T2 is wearing organic socks).

It is the basics (101) of herd management, when the pastures are limited and the market is stale, trim the herd down.

+ the earth will be preserved for ‘our’ kids/read theirs.

It also provides a nice leverage to maintain order in an era of increasing economic uncertainty and impoverished middle class in the ‘developed’ world.

I propose we drop the notion of ‘wealthy’ nations here as what is engraved in the people’s mind has little to do with reality. I know people who are richer with little on the beach in South America than a ‘wealthy’ condo owner who has to pay over 1 k in fees and taxes after the mortgage.

What really is trilling and exciting is that the substandard housing (most of the new development) as well as many old structures, pretty much everything will be taxed pretty soon as ‘energy inefficient’ and with ‘heavy carbon footprint’.

I strongly support that as rich people should learn to pay their taxes and be responsible, apparently living in all glass wall condos and cornflakes homes even though is seen as cool now won’t be cool going forward.

I also expect penalties for denying climate change, first similar to the human right courts today, then strongly enforced as a law.

Funny times ahead specially when combined with series or very cold winters lately.

#82 Buford Wilson on 11.10.19 at 8:16 pm

The climate has been changing for thousands of years Garth. And will continue to do so. The carbon tax will have zero effect on it.

Let’s move on.

#83 Ronaldo on 11.10.19 at 8:24 pm

#10 Millennial Realist on 11.10.19 at 4:45 pm

Overdosed on the Klimate Kool Aide have we Millie?

#84 Duffy on 11.10.19 at 8:24 pm

In relation to most of the people Greta has been filmed with lately, she is indeed, little.

#85 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 8:25 pm

Greta, the teenage climate messiah appeared to me, doing what she does, speaking her mind.

She declared that ‘investment portfolio is carbon crime’.

‘How so?’

‘It enables old farts to continue consuming way beyond their earning prime, disabling nature’s natural mechanism to curb human consumption.’

‘Hm… never thought of it this way…’

‘It’s carbon crime, as such, it’s elitist, racist crime. It makes people kind suffer globally. OK portfolio.’

I wondered if she just did, what she does, just speaking her mind, or did she really mean it.

#86 Yukon Elvis on 11.10.19 at 8:31 pm

Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth
……………….

I doubt she is speaking her own mind at 15. Almost certainly her parents / handlers. Child abuse imho.

#87 not 1st on 11.10.19 at 8:31 pm

There is nothing wrong with young people having a stake in their future so long as they are properly informed. Greta needs to see what energy and food poverty is before she asks us to all go back to the cave.

On top of that, the human mind is not fully matured until late 30s or something. Lack of experience needs to be tempered.

#88 Stan Brooks on 11.10.19 at 8:33 pm

Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth

She is not a typical or authorized representative of the young people except for the entitlement part. There are much brighter kids choosing different paths than screaming in UN or traveling on ‘carbon free’ super-yacht (how about it’s manufacturing?, it surely ain’t carbon free) while using bucket as a toilet.

I would call it hypocrisy if she was an adult.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7501829/Psychologist-says-hes-worried-mental-wellbeing-climate-change-activist-Greta-Thunberg.html

Selection of such hugely controversial poster child diminishes the otherwise powerful message of coming population controls which in a way, considering the average intelligence of the populace might actually make sense.

She is no doubt selected to be such/poster child/ due to her condition, it is easy to blame critics of even child harassment if they disagree with her message.

Psychological warfare 101, nothing new under the sun.

#89 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 8:37 pm

Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth

Good retort. The problem is of course that children who draw fantastic solutions with crayons don’t get to vote for a reason. They also don’t get to drive because they are incredibly bad at it. No risk assessment or mitigation. The brain is not born fully developed. Wisdom is to the learned, and it comes with age. And that song was meant to sell albums, it’s just more MSM. It wouldn’t have made it to press if it was actually revolutionary. But I do like the song.

Let’s stop scaring the children. Things are better now than they ever have been. Yes, we still have problems, and some of them we are causing. But let’s work together across the generations to fix them. The kids can sing all the revolutionary songs they like, but no solutions will be possible without the older engineers and scientist. 99% of knowledge is passed down. It doesn’t spring up. All that springs up is crayon drawings, for the most part. Of course the 1% that does spring up, cumulatively, is what drives change. But it seldom comes from the children.

There is a reason, Garth, that you are a well respected financial manager and investment advice guru now, but you weren’t when you were 20. Experience. Years of experience went into your brain hole.

We simply cannot leave our children’s future to them. If we do, it will be Skittles and Coke all day long. Adulthood is earned, it is not granted. You have to pass the test before you get a license.

#90 yvr_lurker on 11.10.19 at 8:46 pm

Must admit that the primary reason I try to save, and not waste money on stupid consumer items, is that one day I want to leave all of it my kid that he can have a big head start in a world that grows more competitive and uncertain (climate change, polarization of people) as the years go on. If I didn’t have any kids, there is no way i would work as hard; Would still want an interesting job, but no need to kill myself by seeking every possible promotion etc… just hard enough to have enough $$$ to see as much of the world as possible with my backpack, and die with a balance of zero. I would not be motivated without kids to work my ass off , live frugally, and give the whole wack to some charity or NGO where there is a good likelihood that much of it will be squandered on perks or “management fees” for its directors rather than where the $$$ were intended. It was an eye-opener for me years ago to see firsthand how many fancy expensive range-rovers that various admin people of NGOs had in the suburbs of Kampala.

#91 Stan Brooks on 11.10.19 at 8:53 pm

#89 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 8:37 pm

We simply cannot leave our children’s future to them. If we do, it will be Skittles and Coke all day long. Adulthood is earned, it is not granted. You have to pass the test before you get a license.

Yes, we can. The future of state:


https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/should-your-kid-be-taken-away-if-they-don-t-like-fish-balls-norway-says-so-31026?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=RS&utm_content=31026&gclid=CjwKCAiAh5_uBRA5EiwASW3IajvhCzC_6mRwyCEgVUtEDbXV0LPRNmPeLT_m_5f_lNgA7zxETP4PIhoC9wAQAvD_BwE

A 19-month-old baby was taken from his mother because he was underweight by 400 grams, an Indian family faced Barnevernet’s wrath after teachers said their four-year-old son was not making eye contact, a father was told he was too dumb to raise his daughter.

More than 12,000 children live in foster homes and specialised institutions in Norway. Many of them having been moved involuntarily. Once in foster care, children only get to see their parents for a few hours a year on supervised visits.

#92 JacqueShellacque on 11.10.19 at 9:01 pm

“Climate change” is bogus. Some common sense reasons why:

1. Fear of apocalyptic weather is one of humanity’s oldest tropes.
2. The “science” can’t be separated from the politics. “Hide the decline” and all that. The data is cherry picked and fudged.
3. Current “climate change” models don’t actually predict anything. Even if the theory is entirely true, the error bands around any predictions would be so large you couldn’t tell if what you’re doing is helping anyway. Medieval warming? Little ice age? No SUVs or factories back then…so what happened?
4. The “solutions” are unrealistic or dangerous. Marxism has co-opted a movement that used to be composed of birdwatchers and genteel Sierra Club types.

#93 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 9:13 pm

#61 Blackdog

A little reality for you, mister insulting.

Turn off the main power fuse in your house and also the gas main, and then come back in 2 weeks and describe your experience.

#94 Sebee on 11.10.19 at 9:19 pm

1M views.

Hans Roslin has 1M views on his incredibly informative talk. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

And Katie Perry has 570M on Swiss Swish.

Oh yeah, we’re screwed.

#95 TRON on 11.10.19 at 9:21 pm

The internet has made the average person believe they know more than they do. Climate change? Anyone here post who has multiple PHDs in sciences that pertain to planet earth? How about 30 or 40 years working doing research? Nobody here as a clue is my guess and like Greta any emotional response to a complex question seems to be the flavour of the day.

More importantly tomorrow is rememberance day and all Canadians can remember and honour all the scarafices made by men and women who protect your right to spout off on the internet in the safety of your home. While we’re at it we should also recognize the sacrifices other countries make to protect our freedom because little old Canada could never protect itself on it’s own.

#96 Blog Bunny on 11.10.19 at 9:37 pm

The best way to fight climate change is to decrease global population. Instead of carbon taxes, lets have child taxes. How come no genius like Greta or Trudeau came up with that idea?

#97 Lost...but not leased on 11.10.19 at 9:41 pm

Global Warming…climate change et al….

Really sad that intelligent people with resources at their internet fingertips refuse to at miminum research contrarian views.

The “rule of thumb” is if its in the mainstream media, its often propoganda spoon fed by the usual suspects to serve their interests and keep the 99% sheeple in fear and thus in perpetual control.

#98 Dutchy on 11.10.19 at 9:45 pm

“The OECD says climate change will reduce the global economy by between 2% and 10% in the next three decades”. (30years).
Is that .067% to .33% average per year ??
(as compared to the 4.2% in 2008-9)

May be not as catastrophic as many predict.

#99 my fellow millennials on 11.10.19 at 9:52 pm

Garth, if some millennial replies with an “ok boomer” don’t let it bug ya. I’m a millennial, a pretty successful one. I am college educated, took the advice of smart boomers and I am well on my way to being financial independant. Who would have thought a useless arts degree wouldn’t get you anywhere.

#100 Blackdog on 11.10.19 at 9:59 pm

@NonPlussed #93,

You miss the point entirely dude. The difference between you and I is that I actually give a shit about something much bigger than just me. Whether or not I freeze to death this winter would make no impact on the trajectory of man-made climate change. What does make a difference however is when societies and elected politicians, care enough to work together towards making systemic changes that will allow us to both save our beautiful planet and keep warm in winter. It is possible, but we have to take the threat seriously and start earnestly now. People such as yourself who dis such perspective and would rather insist that climate activists such as Greta Thunberg are ‘insane’ and ‘deranged’ are not part of the solution.

#101 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 10:00 pm

#95 TRON on 11.10.19 at 9:21 pm

The internet has made the average person believe they know more than they do. Climate change? Anyone here post who has multiple PHDs in sciences that pertain to planet earth? How about 30 or 40 years working doing research?

The average person quotes different views from people who are on the field. There is no 100% agreement about anything in any discipline among the experts there.

If you live long enough, you have the chance to experience that prior consensus views turn out to be incorrect. This raises your awareness about the flaws of consensus views, especially when they get highly politicized and they start to sound religiously dogmatic, with no appetite to criticism.

#102 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 10:15 pm

@ Nonplused = minus

Take a pill brudda.
A 16 year old spokesperson named Greta is the result of our pathetic choices for “leaders”….worldwide.

@#94 Sebee
“And Katie Perry has 570M on Swiss Swish.
Oh yeah, we’re screwed….”
+++++

Good one.
I can just hear it now.
“I’m so stressed but….A new tattoo will make me feel way better…..”

#103 The Totally Unbiased, Highly Intelligent, Rational Observer on 11.10.19 at 10:20 pm

“Now, has the climate changed because of people, or because of God? … What, if anything, can be done about it?”–Garth

The weather can change because of a bit of both. If too many people behave too badly for too long, and vote even worse (such as for pure evil, like they did in the recent Canadian federal election), God can go over to the thermostat that controls the temperature of the sun and crank it up or down to either burn people’s butts or freeze their butts, depending on which punishment would be most appropriate.

As for what, if anything, can be done about bad weather, people do not want to hear the inconvenient truth: People could repent of their sins, and pray for rain in due season.

Okay, just kidding about that.

We all know very well that people will not repent, especially in Canada. They are too far gone to repent. Instead, they will make up wild stories about the weather changing due to too much CO2 plant food in the air. They would rather blame any uncomfortable outside weather on other people driving cars with good heaters and air conditioners than admit their own sinful responsibility in the matter and repent of it. Sad.

It is truly shameful and hypocritical of people who will not even repent of their own numerous abominations in order to prevent bad weather to go around blaming any uncomfortable weather on totally innocent people for enjoying the fine motor cars in their collections, as if that has anything to do with it.

#104 PastThePeak on 11.10.19 at 10:26 pm

Throughout history – and especially in the 20th century – the greatest (non-disease) threat to any individual person’s life, safety and liberty – has been their own government.

[Most] of us in the West, over the last two hundred years or so, have had a reasonably good break from this unpleasant fact of history, which has been purchased by honourable people’s blood, sweat and tears. For this I am very grateful.

Nothing is forever though, and without eternal vigilance, the threat from an overreaching state is never far away…

#105 Ed on 11.10.19 at 10:27 pm

I kinda resent climate change and Remembrance Day being a topic in the same post. Perhaps lets focus on the most important topic that tomorrow brings…

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

Ronald Reagan

#106 WUL on 11.10.19 at 10:28 pm

Smoking Man,

I went for a pint in a pub in Fort Mac. Saw this on the wall. It tickled my funny bone:

“Drinking can cause memory loss…

or even worse, memory loss.”

Yup,

WUL

#107 BlorgDorg on 11.10.19 at 10:28 pm

#70 I’m Alright Jack on 11.10.19 at 7:33 pm

Exactly this. The inescapable reality is that humanity is just another biological system following a well-known curve.

Peope are quick to forget how close we came with things like SARS and H5N1. Even the Spanish Flu “only” wiped out 3-5% of humanity (about 300 million people today), and most people don’t even know it happened. We’ve become way too complacent and conceited, and are already overdue for a natural cull.

#108 NoName on 11.10.19 at 10:41 pm

@ black dog

Something much bigger than me…

Oh that one is some very sirius sentence.rigjt there.

#109 DON on 11.10.19 at 10:41 pm

#82 Buford Wilson on 11.10.19 at 8:16 pm

The climate has been changing for thousands of years Garth. And will continue to do so. The carbon tax will have zero effect on it.

Let’s move on.

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Yup, the Earth is constantly changing just not on our human timescale. The climate has also changed in the past.

One thing we can confirm is we are the cause of climate pollution, our garbage litters land, ocean and air. We need to start cleaning that up. Why wouldn’t we…and not under the banner of Environmentalism, how about good stewardship or manners.

Let’s stop the debate AND start picking up the garbage then we can tackle the balance between fossil fuels and renewable energy as science progresses.

When do we start mining other planets?

Oh yah, don’t buy waterfront property.

#110 Doug t on 11.10.19 at 10:45 pm

My dad fought in WW2 in the British Navy – he passed away 3years ago -he often said that the world seemed on the brink of Armageddon back then and that everyone had a sense of hopelessness – BUT here we are today saying the same thing – so where are we headed? I don’t know but the human race seems unable to come together as appossed to destroying itself at some point in the future

#111 PastThePeak on 11.10.19 at 10:46 pm

#47 Dogman01 on 11.10.19 at 6:31 pm
I have no doubt that Human impact on the environment is negative and on a trendline that is unsustainable, Climate Change and species extinction are near or at crisis levels.

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I don’t doubt the world is warming (there is incontrovertible evidence it is), and that human activities are affecting the global climate (land use changes, population, urbanization, and yes CO2). But the question is about the future and whether such change is going to be catastrophic. So far, there is NO empirical evidence to back that up.

I also have to respond when there is a clear hyperbolic statement that is untrue – such as “species extinction are near or at crisis levels”.

Such statements are based on computer modelling – not empirical evidence. The hard data suggests 500 species have gone extinct in the last 120 years. Out of 1.3 million catalogued species on earth.

https://www.rd.com/culture/animals-extinct-last-100-years/

#112 margaret on 11.10.19 at 10:52 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6bC5JSBuGg

Michael Hudson on Vancouver real estate

#113 Captain Uppa on 11.10.19 at 10:59 pm

#78 Sail Away on 11.10.19 at 8:04 pm
The solution to the climate question is dead simple and would be immediately fixed if an artificial intelligence or Thanos were in charge.

Problem: too many humans

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Popular opinion, but not true. The same way that eating meat is not the problem, however…

Mass populous eating fast food like McDonalds is a huge problem and involves 1) large pop , 2) meat , 3) tons of waste.

So you see, it’s nuanced.

#114 Captain Uppa on 11.10.19 at 11:01 pm

Garth, the stock portfolios you espouse almost daily include many companies that have polluted the planet to a great extent.

Can’t have your 6% annual cake and eat it too.

#115 Actual Meteorologist on 11.10.19 at 11:08 pm

The use of the term Climate Change deliberately conmbinrs two completely different concepts. Natural Climate Change is real and there is nothing anyone can do about that except adapt. Anthropogenic Climate Change is very much an uncertain science. (The “97% of scientists agree in a catastrophic outcome” trope is THE biggest lie).

The weather is NOT getting worse (look at the actual data), Cqnada is not getting warmer if you look at the actual surface temperature records (as opppsed to the calculated “anomoly”, which is the basis for Mann’s Hockey Stick). The claim that every year or month is the hottest is subject to a lot of gymnastics and many believe that it is suspect.

Meanwhile, politicians declare Emergency! and the education system scares the kids with propaganda. Sad.

#116 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 11:23 pm

@#94 Sebee

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E

Dr Hans Rosling.
Never heard of him before.

Excellent, informative 58 minute video.
Highly recommend anyone that has 60 minutes to kill to watch it.
His graphs mixed with personal stories were very well designed.
“Peak Child” in the year 2000…..crazy.

#117 NoName on 11.10.19 at 11:31 pm

Since we were married in 1971 (‘Brown Sugar’, ‘Riders on the Storm’, ‘Imagine’) – GT

I like this rolling stonnes 1st, bitlles last. I always liked stonnes more, never liked betlles they were racist. here is a proof

THE BEATLES – GET BACK
https://youtu.be/6mXzIftmpDY

#118 LP on 11.10.19 at 11:54 pm

#57 Smoking Man on 11.10.19 at 6:53 pm
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Define “bunhead”. If you mean what I think you mean, your comment should have been deleted.

#119 Ronaldo on 11.10.19 at 11:56 pm

Dilbert and Climate Change.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/15/dilbert-scott-adams-disses-the-climate-crisis-again/

Pretty much sums it up.

#120 Jesse on 11.11.19 at 12:02 am

#76 Nonplused on 11.10.19 at 7:53 pm
You called Greta ‘insane’ and I warned you. Now you call her ‘deranged.’ Amazing what influence a 16-year-old female child has on you. – Garth

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And it seems, “dare” I say, that she has had quite an affect on you as well. Whatever her age, she has been made a public spectacle, put forward as an influencer, and injected into the public discourse. This of course would have never happened unless there were adult handlers behind every move. But nonetheless, there she is a public figure. So she and her handlers are open to public criticism. But you defend her in the same way you attack Trump. So we probably both have logs in our eyes. How we are going to help each-other resolve that problem remains to be seen.

The main difference between Greta and Trump is that Greta should never have been put up to this at her age. Trump is a grown boy and knew what he was getting into, so fine. He expected to have critics and enemies. Greta, on the other hand, should have been allowed a normal upbringing but her parents, who are both actors by they way, turned her into something of a circus attraction. Shame on them, not her. No 16 year old should be tasked with saving the world. God didn’t even ask Jesus to do it until he was 30.

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Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth

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Come on Garth, even you have to see the propaganda machine at work here. They don’t let just anybody speak at the UN.

#121 Z1 on 11.11.19 at 12:03 am

OK. Boomer !!

#122 Greg on 11.11.19 at 12:04 am

History has taught us that everything always resolves itself. World wars, hole in the ozone, Y2K, financial crisis etc etc. A rabbit always get miraculously pulled out of the hat and everything works out. We’re just the chosen species and nothing catastrophic could ever happen to us. That’s just not the way things work. Let’s hope global warming isn’t the historical sucker punch. After all, I need time to spend that RRSP!

#123 baloney Sandwitch on 11.11.19 at 12:12 am

The post was too serious. The steerage section is full of self centered losers. Can we get back to talking about money now.

#124 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 1:06 am

#50 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.10.19 at 6:35 pm
@#30 JSN
“Until youre chipping ice off the upper deck of your ship off the coast of NFLD and LBD., You have no idea what cold is.”
++++++

Yep.
Talked to a vet about 10 years ago that served on the Corvettes that were on Convoy duty in WWII
The first year they had open wheelhouses. No windows, no heat…..in the North Atlantic in winter…… A wave would come smashing in and soak everyone. A miserable 4 hour watch.
They covered the openings with canvas, plywood.
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We sent kids over completely unprepared for the slaughterhouse called WWII.
And we call them heroes.
Cannon fodder courtesy of the British overlords.

#125 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 1:10 am

We lost Davie
In the Korean war.
Still don’t know what for.
Don’t matter anymore.
———
John Prine

#126 Lost...but not leased on 11.11.19 at 1:10 am

Al Gores’ “the science is settled” hockey stick curve needs a major adjustment with a baseball bat.

#127 Al on 11.11.19 at 1:16 am

“Really sad that intelligent people with resources at their internet fingertips refuse to at miminum research contrarian views.”

Did it. Turns it is worse than the official published reports by IPCC. Political tampering in favor of the dissenters.

#128 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 1:30 am

#86 Yukon Elvis on 11.10.19 at 8:31 pm
Young people speaking their mind. Getting so much resistance from behind. – Garth
……………….

I doubt she is speaking her own mind at 15. Almost certainly her parents / handlers. Child abuse imho.
———
Garth is quoting from a Buffalo Springfied classic song.
Educate yourself before you embarass yourself.

Garth is quoting from a

#129 Sail Away on 11.11.19 at 1:33 am

If you close your eyes, spin around three times, and say climate emergency backwards, it sounds like “gullible”.

#130 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 1:41 am

#91 Stan

More than 12,000 children live in foster homes and specialised institutions in Norway. Many of them having been moved involuntarily. Once in foster care, children only get to see their parents for a few hours a year on supervised visits.
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Canadian Natives can relate to this.

#131 Ms Fool on 11.11.19 at 1:49 am

@ #76 Nonplused

I sympathize with your view about this girl. She, overnigth, literally became the ‘poster child’ of climate change and I honestly don’t understand why. All the media attention doesn’t make sense to me. An indigeneous enviromentalist was killed in Brazil few weeks ago for protecting the Amazon forrest and his name was one-day news. No Peace Nobel prize buzz for him, no recognition for giving his life to protect the environment from a political leader. There are many people actually doing something to protect the environment, including indigenous youths, who will never receive an invitation to speak at the UN or to be listen by a world leader. So I find this ‘Greta fever’ unrespectful to their efforts.
The destruction of the planet is real but we as a society aren’t willing to make drastic changes in our life style to stop it, and pollution taxes aren’t the solution.
People gave their lives in the past for a noble cause, I’m not sure if today we are willing to sacrifice our life style for the benefit of future generations.

#132 Jenny Wang on 11.11.19 at 2:13 am

Wow, recency effect , or what.

” Why I remember when you whippersnappers weren’t around we had snow every day , and now it’s gone”. Damnation , tarnation and tabernack, those were the good old days.

Well, I remember when I wasnt getting blasted by a fake climate manifesto invented by a few greedy UN appointees and lickspittle minions who dreamed up a great taxation vehicle to soak the rich taxpayers and give it away in globs to people who can’t find Canada on a map.

Getting blasted by fake news every day for years has obviously had an effect on some people. Meanwhile, in adult world, I did what adults do while so many others were staring at sheep entrails for signs the Giod was a little Swedish girl being pimped by her parents, who apparently , have stolen her childhood.

Yes, I saw the trend, as will as it is and bought two fisted. My main play was a Green Carpet Baggers selling useless windmills to the dazed sheep. I bought my windmills at $26 a share and have watched them grow to $56.44 today. I bought a lot, this one purchase based on the zany idiocy of the masses made me rich. It pays a high dividend.

Yes, I took climate action, and bought instead of boo hooing about those salad days if never more.

#133 Sail Away on 11.11.19 at 2:29 am

#101 akashic record on 11.10.19 at 10:00 pm

If you live long enough, you have the chance to experience that prior consensus views turn out to be incorrect. This raises your awareness about the flaws of consensus views, especially when they get highly politicized and they start to sound religiously dogmatic, with no appetite to criticism.

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This is true. Age and experience bring cynicism, for very good reason.

#134 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 4:56 am

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/humans-are-accelerating-the-extinction-of-other-species-u-n-report-says

There are an estimated 8 million species on Earth. Extinction is looming over 1 million species as we speak.

The IUCN calculated in March that 27,159 species are threatened, endangered or extinct in the wild out of nearly 100,000 species biologists examined in depth. That includes 1,223 mammal species, 1,492 bird species and 2,341 fish species. Nearly half the threatened species are plants. – link

That’s 27% of the species on Earth that are in trouble, on their way out or gone right now, today. The reasons are obvious for those who look for the truth.

— Turning forests, grasslands and other areas into farms, cities and other developments. The habitat loss leaves plants and animals homeless. About three-quarters of Earth’s land, two-thirds of its oceans and 85% of crucial wetlands have been severely altered or lost, making it harder for species to survive, the report said.

— Over fishing the world’s oceans. A third of the world’s fish stocks are over fished.

— Permitting climate change from the burning of fossil fuels to make it too hot, wet or dry for some species to survive. Almost half of the world’s land mammals — not including bats — and nearly a quarter of the birds have already had their habitats hit hard by global warming.

— Polluting land and water. Every year, 300 to 400 million tons of heavy metals, solvents and toxic sludge are dumped into the world’s waters.

— Allowing invasive species to crowd out native plants and animals. The number of invasive alien species per country has risen 70% since 1970, with one species of bacteria threatening nearly 400 amphibian species.

It’s interesting to note how some comments dismiss information like this with the wave of a hand for any old reason, like, to hear the sound of their own voice as example or “don’t believe it if it was reported as news” or because it doesn’t align with their myopic and sluggard, self absorbed (yes, I’m being polite), financial or political interests (the cult of denial is alive and well) but facts remain. Globally we are in trouble, biodiversity loss is just a part of it and Canada is not an island.

#135 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 6:55 am

#115 Actual Meteorologist — claims “The weather is NOT getting worse (look at the actual data),”

So I pulled a chart counting named storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes in the North Atlantic basin by year since 1967 (the start of the satellite era) off Wikipedia, imported it into Google Sheets, graphed it and added trend lines. They all slope up to the right. You can duplicate my work in about 90 seconds, or you can get busy criticising my methodology.

#136 maxx on 11.11.19 at 7:23 am

@ #36

Are truck nutz recyclable?

#137 NoName on 11.11.19 at 7:30 am

@ crazyfox

Not that you spelled all that for us what is causing climate change can you geograficly tell us where is happening the most and in what countries? We that don’t know would like to know.

And on a side note, how many carbon offset did you buy this year?

#138 Steve French on 11.11.19 at 7:36 am

Serious question here…

How long do you blog dogs think capitalism can keep on … expanding? Like 3% world GDP growth, 8% S&P growth…

Nothing can expand forever, right?

So how long does capitalism have left to run before it just burns through all of the world’s resources ?

100 years?

50 years?

30 years?

Less?

These are serious questions.

30 years is not actually that far away when you are thinking about asset strategies.

That’s the duration of a mortgage.

Steve.

#139 Suburban Bob on 11.11.19 at 7:51 am

It is sad that on an important day like this we have the residue of that pig Don Cherry claiming that immigrants are anti-Canadian because they don’t all parade around in poppies. There is more to service and honouring it than dressing up, Mr. Dressup.

It is equally sad that his enabler, spineless Ron Maclean did not have the gonads to stand up against him. That was pathetic and gutless.

But of course, that’s why Ron got the job, to be a sock puppet. Remember? The CBC and HNIC got rid of Dave Hodge in 1987 precisely because he had the courage to speak the truth about the failings of the network.

Ron and Don – both of you, please resign and go away. You are an embarrassment to the country that we honour today, for whom thousands sacrificed their lives so that we could be a free, courageous and principled society.

Dave Hodge, come on back.

#140 TurnerNation on 11.11.19 at 7:54 am

#134 crazyfox so tell us where we can find this extinction and damage in Canada?
Which species have we lost here?
Which 3/4s of our land has been severely altered?
I want places, maps and examples please. Show us the looming carnage.

So the problem then is global warming, then great we’ll need less heating here in Canada, lower costs all round for businesses, agriculture; lower energy use; better more fertile growing seasons here. Sounds good.

As I said this climate change is always in places we cannot see. Funny how that works. Believe it!

WHy not petition T2 to implement a One Child policy here, that means no more family benefits or health care for the 2nd child. All new immigrants must bring in one child only. Halt all Condo development in Toronto, Vancouver. The only sane choice right?
To preserve it all for for our children. Get on it, I’ll help you draft a letter all the MPs.

#141 Ken on 11.11.19 at 8:01 am

propaganda wrapped in poppies

#142 Midnights on 11.11.19 at 8:24 am

Interesting on the long term mortgage. Martin Armstrong was speaking of this 5 years ago…
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/the-end-of-30-year-fixed-rate-mortgages/

#143 NoName on 11.11.19 at 8:42 am

I already looked it up, it seems that there is beever like animal on Vancouver Island made to xtreme endangered list. Yes one rodent only…

But what’s funny is to see people doing bees jobs and do pollination because they keep spray ing pesticides like there is no tomorrow. I remember when somewhere they were killing birds to protect crops, and then insects came…

#144 NoName on 11.11.19 at 8:50 am

#135 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 6:55 am
#115 Actual Meteorologist — claims “The weather is NOT getting worse (look at the actual data),”

So I pulled a chart counting named storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes in the North Atlantic basin by year since 1967 (the start of the satellite era) off Wikipedia, imported it into Google Sheets, graphed it and added trend lines. They all slope up to the right. You can duplicate my work in about 90 seconds, or you can get busy criticising my methodology.

Should you be that brave and argue with proctologist and tell him him you know better because you gargle it, when you go for check-up.

Answer me !!!

#145 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.11.19 at 8:50 am

@#128 ponzie pilot
“Garth is quoting from a Buffalo Springfied classic song.
Educate yourself before you embarass yourself.

Garth is quoting from a”

+++++
Misspelled “Springfield”, “embarrassed” and included pointless repetition.

You just embarrassed yourself……again and again and again. :)

#146 akashic record on 11.11.19 at 8:51 am

#139 Suburban Bob

People wore poppies to publicly display their respect and financially support the veterans – not for “parading around”. Where did you get this idea from?

DC is not the first person on broadcast noticing that less and less people wear poppies, it is natural to wonder, why.

#147 IHCTD9 on 11.11.19 at 8:52 am

The population thing will self correct one way or another.

The most effective way to cut population output is to educate Women. Once Women get educated, they stop having kids – or at least that has been the case in the West so far.

I have to assume as economic conditions improve in the 3rd world (where most of the babies are born), and more and more Women go to College/Uni – that we’re going to have the opposite problem (not enough kids) on our hands, just like we have already in the West.

If I’m wrong about the above, then certain parts of the world will eventually experience a “natural population correction event”, and we’ll be good to go for another 100 years or so.

#148 Jenny Wang on 11.11.19 at 8:56 am

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#149 akashic record on 11.11.19 at 9:01 am

#138 Steve French

It’s a holographic universe, everything is a form of energy, including the material world.

#150 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 9:01 am

“Should you be that brave and argue with proctologist and tell him him you know better because you gargle it, when you go for check-up.”

There’s a big difference between a real-life proctologist and somebody who signs comments “Actual Meteorologist.” One of them has to deal with buttholes all day, and the other one is full of crap.

#151 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.11.19 at 9:08 am

@#124 Ponzie Pilate
“Cannon fodder courtesy of the British overlords.”
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Nice.
You smugly dismiss the sacrifice these volunteers made.
Most who were between the ages of 18 and 25.
The best years of their lives spent fighting Hitler and his dreams of world domination , or as he quaintly referred to it as Lebensraum (“living space”).
“British Overlords”?
How quickly you forget British Prime Minister Neville Chamberland’s endeavours to avoid another World War with his fruitless trips to Germany begging for “peace in our time”…while Hitler continued to secretly arm and then invade Czechoslovakia, Austria( where they welcomed and cheered Der Fuhrer with open arms), Poland
Or did they skip that part of history in school in Austria?

#152 IHCTD9 on 11.11.19 at 9:19 am

#131 Ms Fool on 11.11.19 at 1:49 am

The destruction of the planet is real but we as a society aren’t willing to make drastic changes in our life style to stop it…
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Ahh, there it is, the truth!

I wish we could all just admit it and get to work on plan B. All this Greta, Climate Emergency, Carbon Tax stuff is an utter waste of time, energy, and resources.

#153 NoName on 11.11.19 at 9:26 am

#150 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 9:01 am
“Should you be that brave and argue with proctologist and tell him him you know better because you gargle it, when you go for check-up.”

There’s a big difference between a real-life proctologist and somebody who signs comments “Actual Meteorologist.” One of them has to deal with buttholes all day, and the other one is full of crap.

Yea that was funny…

When I was young dude hired us to help him setup shelving for store, so budy and I we were working all morning well in to afternoon.

some old lady keep peeking through the window all day, so after 4th time my friend opens a door and lets her is and decides to be smart ass.

Lady asked him what are we doing here, and he tell he we are opening store and selling a$$whole$. Than old lay replay.

I can see business is booming shelfs are empty only two left…

#154 T on 11.11.19 at 9:30 am

I used to read the comments for insightful and enlightening discussion surrounding housing and finance. Now I read the comments and am thoroughly disgusted.

Many believe they know it all based on a few days points and yet have very little experience, others who believe they have the experience to know all but lack any reliable data.

Shame on you all for ruining what was once a good thing. Even, perhaps, the last refuge of sensible semi-anonymous housing and finance discussion and debate on the Internet.

Relax. The reasonable people were all out walking their dogs. – Garth

#155 Billy on 11.11.19 at 9:34 am

#29 Conan

Agree that while both sides of the climate debate carry on, pragmatic insurance companies are taking action that will have direct economic implications. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/21/climate-change-could-make-insurance-too-expensive-for-ordinary-people-report

#156 Gravy Train on 11.11.19 at 9:41 am

#137 NoName on 11.11.19 at 7:30 am
“[…] And on a side note, how many carbon offsets did you buy this year?” I didn’t buy any carbon offsets this year, but my solar panels have produced 7,188 kWh of clean energy over the past 230 days. Which is to say that they’ve offset the same amount of CO2 as planting 130 trees, or burning 4.2 barrels of crude oil, or driving 318 laps at the Monaco Grand Prix, or taking 9 flights from New York to Los Angeles, or lighting the Eiffel Tower for 36 hours, or powering a lightbulb for 63 years, or charging the average mobile phone for 223 years. Does that help? Oh, and did I mention that I was only billed the basic charge of $22.75 on each of my last two bimonthly power bills? :)

#157 NoName on 11.11.19 at 9:52 am

#151 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.11.19 at 9:08 am

Dude Armistice aka popy day is all about isles wwi, because inbreed royaltys didn’t give a shots for commoners like me.

#158 NoName on 11.11.19 at 10:00 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNET/status/1193226746855751681

Bullion licker asemmble!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNET/status/1193226746855751681

This asteroid could be the most valuable thing in our entire Solar System. It’s valued at $700 quintillion — that’s many billion times more valuable than all of the money in the world today

#159 Actual Meteorologist on 11.11.19 at 10:00 am

#135. Can’t Figure it Out.

Look at Hurricane strikes pre 1960. Totals for both Hurricanes and Major Hurricanes were SIGNIFICANTLY higher before 1960. You are both arrogant and ignorant.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

#160 Eks dee Siple on 11.11.19 at 10:05 am

My great-grandfather served in WWI – I won’t say in what region of the world, no reason to give CSIS any info on me or my family.
He was lucky to survive through a couple of battles. One story my grandfather told me about him is that during one particularly horrible battle, both of his compatriots on either side of his formation were shot and killed and he heard bullets whizzing past his ears, both ears, narrowly missing him as well before he could bunker back down. I can only imagine him as just a kid, alone, cold, trying to make it to another sunrise, with murky dreams of the future while finishing off his last rations. He made it back, put up four corner stakes on some land and helped build Canada. Never met him, except in spirit at his graveside. I wear a poppy today for him and all who served and serve. All politics aside, let’s all just hope we never have to go through these horrors and be thankful at how fortunate we are.

#161 Nosferatu on 11.11.19 at 10:42 am

Garth,

you have been generally saying that the recession has been staved off (short of WW-3) … I respect your opinion hugely however, Ray Dalio has been posting multiple articles in the last few months about a seismic shift (cataclysm actually, if you read between the lines as he tends to stay coy on media) that is coming due to wealth concentration. How do his views reconcile with yours? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

thanks

Don’t you love billionaires decrying the wealth divide? Dalio’s come-to-Jesus moment is amusing, and of course income disparity will eventually lead to social conflict and political change. But it will not cause a recession or crash markets any time soon. – Garth

#162 NoName on 11.11.19 at 10:43 am

#156 Gravy Train on 11.11.19 at 9:41 am
#137 NoName on 11.11.19 at 7:30 am
“[…] And on a side note, how many carbon offsets did you buy this year?” I didn’t buy any carbon offsets this year, but my solar panels have produced 7,188 kWh of clean energy over the past 230 days. Which is to say that they’ve offset the same amount of CO2 as planting 130 trees, or burning 4.2 barrels of crude oil, or driving 318 laps at the Monaco Grand Prix, or taking 9 flights from New York to Los Angeles, or lighting the Eiffel Tower for 36 hours, or powering a lightbulb for 63 years, or charging the average mobile phone for 223 years. Does that help? Oh, and did I mention that I was only billed the basic charge of $22.75 on each of my last two bimonthly power bills? :)

I like you, siriously. but lets do math and calculate first how much carbon went in a your system, and what is brake even period, than we can talk other stuf.

My last hydro/water bill for the month was 376.88cad and i heat house on nat gas… There is absolutly nothing i can do to reduce bill, outside that i use chlotes line and not use ac but tht is summer time. Ive done everthing that priduces any gain in may favor, ok i could get rid of freezer from the basment, that is about it.

And you steel didnt told me sq footage of you solar array.

#163 Dharma Bum on 11.11.19 at 11:00 am

A thought to ponder on Remembrance Day:

Should we be more worried about a gradually changing climate annihilating us, or another BIG war?

It seems that we constantly over-worry about the things that are the least likely to happen. There are so many things within our power to fix immediately, yet we choose to ignore those and worry about the bogey man.

Nonetheless, regardless of what comes, as a species, we will adapt.

Relax.

#164 NoName on 11.11.19 at 11:05 am

Addendum to my previous post, and i already have questionable hygien habits, so maybe i’ll tell girls to start skipping on showers….

;-)

we are so close to 3rd world country living dynamic that its not even funny, when you work just for taxes and bare existance, and in our we are having it much better that many…

#165 PastThePeak on 11.11.19 at 11:07 am

#134 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 4:56 am
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/humans-are-accelerating-the-extinction-of-other-species-u-n-report-says

There are an estimated 8 million species on Earth. Extinction is looming over 1 million species as we speak.
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Crazy, that is BS. You have to distinguish between empirical evidence (what has been proven in the “real world”) vs. projections and estimations.

There are ~1.7M catalogued species, although some are considered double counted so closer to ~1.5M
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2018/info/ac

This is what we *know* to exist, and there has been some pretty extensive coverage by researchers over the last 100 years. There are all other manner of “studies” which claim that there are between 5M to 100M additional species not yet discovered. But those are projections done through computer modelling. It is *not* a fact.

1M known species are NOT threatened. That is also a computer model, based on a higher model of number of species.

How people can go around claiming that life that we have never discovered is on the brink of extinction is beyond any sense of logic…

#166 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 11:15 am

#159 Actual Meteorologist — “Look at Hurricane strikes pre 1960.”

Why would I care? I’m more concerned with whether the next 20 years will be worse than the last 20, not how things compare to that time great-granddad got caught out in the dory.

Are the oceans not warming? Is surface ocean temperature not what fuels hurricanes? Are sailors not reporting disruptions in seasonal wind patterns which have been recorded for centuries? Are you not just an armchair assclown?

#167 Bezengy on 11.11.19 at 11:28 am

Alternative energy is a big part of the solution. Solar panels and solar tubes, geothermal, etc all excellent forms of technology that can make a difference, but each has its limitations. 5 Miles from my cottage is a 8.2 megawatt solar facility that will soon shut down for the winter as it doesn’t pay to have the snow removed. For many people including myself, the approximately 20k initial cost of a 8 kw installation makes solar a non starter.

#168 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 11:37 am

“Don’t you love billionaires decrying the wealth divide?”

Well, it certainly is harder to dismiss them as merely envious, covetous, jealous, desirous, and resentful. Which is what generally happens when it’s the thousandaires and hundredaires doing the decrying.

#169 NoName on 11.11.19 at 11:46 am

And just imagine how bad are those that didn’t made on a best list…

https://www.croatiaweek.com/croatia-among-worlds-best-for-english-language-proficiency/

#170 Lost...but not leased on 11.11.19 at 11:56 am

We are currently in LA…Hollywood area.

Did a tour of main downtown core….then ventured a few blocks away..what a war zone. Homeless have taken over whole blocks…camped out in streets and parks.

Gas prices are from $4-5 per US gallon

Its called Commiefornia…

http://www.renegadetribune.com/ca-wildfires-make-homeless-crisis-even-worse/

QUOTE:

Wildfire destruction is making the lack of affordable housing into a bigger and more urgent problem. Wildfires are wreaking havoc on the already limited housing, forcing families displaced by fires onto long waiting lists for even temporary shelter. Even if families had the resources to move into permanent housing, there’s little left available. The fires are torching what little housing there is left and making already insanely priced housing even harder to come by. Compounding the problem is the lack of affordable home owner’s insurance. Even longtime homeowners are being forced out due to insurance companies dropping property coverage in “high risk” areas and tripling rates. This is displacing even more Californians.

COMMENT:
Climate change?? NO… LA area is a dry belt…much of the terrain is covered in low dry bush…ripe for fires…a natural phenomenon .
VERSUS Rising sea levels??? Insurance companies assess risk….as many have discussed re: rising sea levels due to climate change???..insurers are not denying coverage
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QUOTE
Rent control has been a proven failure in addressing housing problems. It prompts landlords to convert their properties into owner-occupied homes, and deters investment in the housing market, aggravating the shortages that caused them in the first place.

And the homeless, an already fragile population with few resources, are growing exponentially in conjunction with the devastation of housing in wildfire areas. Displaced from their homes and housing already at a crisis point, the evacuees from wildfires have nowhere to go and few places to turn to for help. They have resorted to living in tents in open fields or Walmart parking lots as they wait on interminably long lists for available and affordable housing. Many, including a disproportionate number of elderly citizens, are simply turned away and left on their own.

The Governor of California has offered a solution: rent control. This has been met with backlash from their citizens who have opposed this. Even where rent control has already been instituted, the homeless population has continued to grow, lending credibility to the opinion that the only real solution is construction, which is hampered by price controls, wildfire, and the exodus of home and property insurers.

#171 David Bakody on 11.11.19 at 11:58 am

Hey Garth long time no see, on this Remembrance Day I chose to check in. I was pleased to read your words wrt to the world’s population. Some time ago I straighten up a Republican Senator who said: “Climate Change is just a natural reoccurrence” to which I sent a reply Really Senator please tell me when we had 6.5 Billion people on the planet using all its natural resources and who was President? Note a peep out of him since. Now we have 7.7 and its too late to save the planet, so our younger generation is going to have to find ways to save what is left plus find ways and means to survive as their will be far less jobs than their are now. Cheers David

#172 joblo on 11.11.19 at 11:59 am

How many Gen Y and Z would sign up for a WW these days?

#173 Sail Away on 11.11.19 at 12:04 pm

#160 Eks dee Siple on 11.11.19 at 10:05 am

My great-grandfather served in WWI – I won’t say in what region of the world, no reason to give CSIS any info on me or my family.

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So cryptic… you must be really important. And if CSIS really does want you, it’s smart to mention that when posting online [eye roll].

#174 Dr V on 11.11.19 at 12:05 pm

Figure/ Meteorologist

Interesting. You have both used data which seems to prove your point.

I note that Figure’s data covers a larger area “atlantic basin” but shorter duration than meteorolgist’s “US
hurricane strikes”. Statistically it should be logical to conclude that more storms in the Atlantic would mean more US strikes as well, so I’ll give Meteorologist the
decision.

Figure’s bob and weave and insult at 166 seals the deal.

Meteorologist 1 Figure 0

But hey, it’s only a blog….

#175 Lost...but not leased on 11.11.19 at 12:06 pm

#153 NoName

Yea that was funny…

When I was young dude hired us to help him setup shelving for store, so budy and I we were working all morning well in to afternoon.

some old lady keep peeking through the window all day, so after 4th time my friend opens a door and lets her is and decides to be smart ass.

Lady asked him what are we doing here, and he tell he we are opening store and selling a$$whole$. Than old lay replay.

I can see business is booming shelfs are empty only two left…

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Did your co-worker Fartzman get it (and also say hi to mom) ???

#176 Dups on 11.11.19 at 12:11 pm

We have to thank China and India for 60% of world’s population.

#177 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 12:21 pm

#146 akashic record on 11.11.19 at 8:51 am
#139 Suburban Bob

People wore poppies to publicly display their respect and financially support the veterans – not for “parading around”. Where did you get this idea from?

DC is not the first person on broadcast noticing that less and less people wear poppies, it is natural to wonder, why.
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Maybe it is that most Asian immigrants remember the millions of their own raped and slaughtered by the Russions and Japanese during WWII.
Fartz,
I spelled Russians wrong just to get you worked up.
Happy Remembrance Day.

#178 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 12:37 pm

#172 joblo on 11.11.19 at 11:59 am
How many Gen Y and Z would sign up for a WW these days?
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I like how they did it during Asteriks’s times.
Let the leaders of the tribes fight it out mano a mano.

#179 IHCTD9 on 11.11.19 at 12:40 pm

#165 PastThePeak on 11.11.19 at 11:07 am
#134 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 4:56 am
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/humans-are-accelerating-the-extinction-of-other-species-u-n-report-says

There are an estimated 8 million species on Earth. Extinction is looming over 1 million species as we speak.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Crazy, that is BS. You have to distinguish between empirical evidence (what has been proven in the “real world”) vs. projections and estimations.
________

I notice around the compound the great difference in number of various things from one year to the next.

For instance, this year was a boom for bumble bees and butterflies. Also tons of grasshoppers and crickets. Conversely, zero earwigs and next to nothing this year for ladybugs and box elders – these were a scourge in years past. Other years we were swimming in these little black toads, and garter snakes – I only saw one snake this summer.

Nothing different is going on here than ever was. I have come to the conclusion that how summer kicks off and carries thru is what makes one thing explode, while others fall back. It goes around and around. I can’t think of a good reason why these same forces would not be in effect pretty much everywhere.

If I’m wrong, I can at least be happy then, that the earwigs are extinct…

#180 Lost...but not leased on 11.11.19 at 12:50 pm

#124 Ponzius Pilatus on 11.11.19 at 1:06 am

We sent kids over completely unprepared for the slaughterhouse called WWII.
And we call them heroes.
Cannon fodder courtesy of the British overlords.

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It’s a very delicate topic….many did sacrifice with good intentions…but ultimately ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS.

Canada (1867)has been a country longer than Germany(1871)…which at the time was comprised of small city states which later amalgamated into German nation.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Germany/Germany-from-1871-to-1918.

European nationalism amongst European countries was rising. Unlike Spain, Britain, France etc….Germany was not a colonial overlord,was resource poor, but it launched into industrial revolution and became a major economic power producing superior goods at better prices than the competing nations…who ultimately manouevered Austria…then via alliance Germany into WW1 . The trench warfare by design was meant to kill millions on BOTH sides.

Germany was actually winning WW1 until Treaty of Versailles…where they were ruthlessly tricked into signing a different document than Woodrow Wilson’s 14 point plan. This Treaty raped and pillaged Germany into a 3rd world country..maybe GOOGLE Weimar republic. In addition..GOOGLE “Balfour Declaration”..this backroom deal brought US into the WW1, extending it and the loss of even more lives on both sides. WIN WIN for BANKERS…

WW2….anyone with a modicum of research realizes Treaty of Versailles was designed to facilitate WW2 and repeat the senseless slaughter of millions.

Who ultimately gained ?
Haven’t you figured it out yet ?

#181 NoName on 11.11.19 at 12:51 pm

#175 Lost…but not leased on 11.11.19 at 12:06 pm

Did your co-worker Fartzman get it (and also say hi to mom) ???


I know I am missing something here with mother part, but anyways, Its not me, it’s you who should wash a your mouth, you ________ (insert your favorite hating profanity).

#182 NoName on 11.11.19 at 1:00 pm

All eyes and ears tomorrow.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-11-11/wall-street-awaits-trump-economic-club-speech-for-hints-on-trade?__twitter_impression=true

#183 IHCTD9 on 11.11.19 at 1:04 pm

#162 NoName on 11.11.19 at 10:43 am

My last hydro/water bill for the month was 376.88cad and i heat house on nat gas…
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That’s nasty. I’ll bet 200.00 of that is water/sewage too no? Folks in town out here pay about that much.

That’d be 43K over the 18 years I’ve lived at my place. I’ve had the septic pumped once (300.00), and a well line fitting replaced once (100.00) in that time. I could easily have a septic installed and well drilled for 43K.

I’ve always thought city W/S bills were just another tax. Cost seems way out of line when said services are being supplied by decades old infrastructure. The cost should be going DOWN every year as things are paid off – not up.

#184 NoName on 11.11.19 at 1:11 pm

This is interesting video, If you have to chose 4more yrs of trim or recession, what would you choose???

https://youtu.be/XN4deDvDv90

Time to call quits for today.

#185 Ronaldo on 11.11.19 at 1:12 pm

Get your long underwear ready.

https://electroverse.net/successive-arctic-plunges-could-bring-north-america-to-its-knees/

#186 Ronaldo on 11.11.19 at 1:14 pm

#171 David Bakody on 11.11.19 at 11:58 am
Hey Garth long time no see, on this Remembrance Day I chose to check in. I was pleased to read your words wrt to the world’s population. Some time ago I straighten up a Republican Senator who said: “Climate Change is just a natural reoccurrence” to which I sent a reply Really Senator please tell me when we had 6.5 Billion people on the planet using all its natural resources and who was President? Note a peep out of him since. Now we have 7.7 and its too late to save the planet, so our younger generation is going to have to find ways to save what is left plus find ways and means to survive as their will be far less jobs than their are now. Cheers David
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So from what your are saying the solution for our younger generation is to stop having kids.

#187 Sold Out on 11.11.19 at 1:25 pm

Reading the comments here drove me to seek out a more nuanced
and thoughtful explanation for why those on opposite sides of the urban/rural divide hate each others guts. Perhaps it’s because the two solitudes only encounter one another in the comments section, not IRL.

It’s not stupidity that causes people to vote for Trump and Kenney; it’s desperation, and feeling like your way of life has been singled out for extermination.

Sadly, Trump and Kenney are no more sympathetic to the decline of the resource, agriculture, and manufacturing economy than the average urban ‘elite’, but they are happy to exploit it for their own ends.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/12/tara-westover-trump-rural-america/600916/

#188 Gravy Train on 11.11.19 at 1:29 pm

#162 NoName on 11.11.19 at 10:43 am
“I like you, [seriously].” That’s wonderful. Very few (if any) in the steerage section share your sentiment. :)

“[But let’s] do math and calculate first how much carbon went [into] your system, and what is [the break-even] period[; then] we can talk [about] other [stuff].” Fine with me. The energy returned on energy invested (EROEI) for solar photovoltaics varies between 8.7 and 34.2, and the energy payback time varies between 1.0 and 4.1 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

My payback time to recover my original investment is 8.5 years.

“My last hydro/water bill for the month was 376.88cad and [I] heat [my] house on nat gas… There is [absolutely] nothing [I] can do to reduce [this] bill, [without using a clothesline and giving up air conditioning]. I’ve done [everything] that [produces] any gain in my favor—ok, [I] could get rid of freezer from the [basement], that is about it.” If you live in Ontario, you can contact your local power company to find out how to apply for a net metering agreement, and connect your renewable energy system to the grid.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/save-your-energy-bill-net-metering

“And you [still] didn’t [tell] me [the square] footage of [your] solar array.” I have twenty 400-watt panels all up on one side of my roof. You do the math.

Full disclosure: I don’t sell or install solar panels or wind turbines. :)

#189 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 1:43 pm

#137 NoName on 11.11.19 at 7:30 am
#140 TurnerNation on 11.11.19 at 7:54 am

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/united-nations-report-nature-is-in-its-worst-state-in-human-history-climate-change-pollution-extinct-species

There’s a world chart in the above link that outlines where rates of biodiversity loss is occurring. Note where the greatest levels of biodiversity loss are occurring (Farmland. Australia is the notable exception, with excessive drought and climate change being more responsible there). Just a little background biodiversity loss 101:

Flying insects are disappearing at an alarming rate. The problem with that? It’s not just bees that pollinate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41670472
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50226367

What did the first link in the first comment I provided say about plants? Half of them are in endangered, in trouble or already extinct. It shouldn’t be too hard to connect the dots here.

Insecticides are not widely used contrary to public opinion, especially compared to the use of herbicides on plants. Herbicides are used on (I’m guessing here) at least 95% of farmland i.e. intensive agriculture at least twice a year and they do a number on hatched insects. Couple this spraying with chemical residuals that remain on the top of trash and top soils due to near zero tilling techniques and you have a recipe for a dramatic reduction in all insects but its the flying insects that impact the lack of pollination with plants and if we lose the plants… we lose the feed stocks for birds, reptiles, mammals, you name it and we are at the top of the chain but chemicals are just part of the problem. The planet is getting hotter. Its an ugly predicted trend seen everywhere other than fickle weather and its not helping:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/11/state-of-the-climate-low-sea-ice-and-near-record-warmth-define-2019-to-date/

You both spend a lot of time here. I get why. Garth consistently cranks out excellent commentary near daily but beyond this, the fact that you both spend so much time here suggests you both have time to look into these issues on your own. Try searching biodiversity loss for yourselves or climate change and educate yourselves. Forget the low information rabbit holes propagandists and ego bloats in love with the sounds of their own voices have to say for they are wastes of everyone’s time including their own. Here, try the weather network or simple searches online:

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/category/climate

#190 AB Boxster on 11.11.19 at 1:45 pm

#139 Suburban Bob on 11.11.19 at 7:51 am

You are an embarrassment to the country that we honour today, for whom thousands sacrificed their lives so that we could be a free, courageous and principled society.

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That Mr. Cherry speaks his mind is the sign of a free and democratic society. Kind of what all the soldiers in Canada and around the world died for. I’m pretty sure that they did not die for deplatforming or leftist censorship.

That you don’t like the message is your issue.

But consider this.

If what Don Cherry says is true, which is that many of the new immigrants to Canada, not assimilating and therefore having no care for the history or traditions of Canada, then Canada truly has become Trudeau’s nirvana of a ‘Post National State’.

I mean seriously, what could be more nationalist and patriotic than saluting the men and women of a country that went to war and may have died to preserve that hard fought freedoms, traditions and social fabric of Canada as a country.

That anyone (you perhaps) can actually choose to honor the men and women who fought, (some of who died) to preserve the freedom, economy, social fabric and traditions of a once great country, and then decry the rights and traditions that these people actually fought for is a pretty high level of hypocrisy.

As well, to similarly honor such a group, and to then be a proud supporter of Trudeau and his dream of a ‘Post National state’ where there are no core values, or core identity, or core traditions…. well that raises the level of your hypocrisy to a new level.

So as you stand solemnly to honor those that sacrificed so much for a country, consider your hypocrisy in supporting the polices and actions of a man and political class that seeks to denigrate the traditions, rituals, and social cohesion of said country.

Such that the nature of the country is changing, and the concept of unity through national traditions, shared moments of celebration or strife, celebration of religious events, and recognition of historical achievements, is on its way to becoming irrelevant.
Certainly in some regions of the country.

In his brutally frank way, that is exactly what Mr. Cherry is referring to.

#191 BillyBob on 11.11.19 at 1:46 pm

Happy Veterans Day from the US of A.

I celebrated by burning 53 tons of fossil fuels (also known as Jet A) flying 350 people from London to Los Angeles.

Trying to feel bad about that, but…nope. In fact, will do the same thing again the day after tomorrow except in the opposite direction.

#192 Don Cherry on 11.11.19 at 1:52 pm

Go Don Go!

#193 Gravy Train on 11.11.19 at 2:00 pm

#167 Bezengy on 11.11.19 at 11:28 am
Alternative energy is a big part of the solution.[…] For many people including myself, the approximately 20k initial cost of a 8 kw installation makes solar a non starter.” In my province there’s a dollar-per-watt rebate on solar panels, so I was able to deduct $8,000 from the gross price of my 8kW solar array. My nominal after-tax rate of return is 12.81%, and my payback is 8.5 years. :)

#194 Long-Time Lurker on 11.11.19 at 2:04 pm

Lest we forget.

#195 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 2:06 pm

#165 PastThePeak on 11.11.19 at 11:07 am

Let me get this right. You are saying that a UN report on biodiversity loss claiming: “People are putting nature in more trouble now than at any other time in human history, with extinction looming over 1 million species of plants and animals, scientists said Monday.” …is false!

You are saying that’s rubbish, dismissing it with the wave of a hand because of a link you thought was a comprehensive species count here on Earth saying there was less than 2 million species? You must have spent a great deal of time on that:

https://phys.org/news/2019-04-species-earth-simple-hard.html

https://www.currentresults.com/Environment-Facts/Plants-Animals/estimate-of-worlds-total-number-of-species.php

#196 NoName on 11.11.19 at 2:16 pm

#189 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 1:43 pm

You both spend a lot of time here. I get why. Garth consistently cranks out excellent commentary…

Wrong, I come because is free and carbon tax does not apply. If he starts charging I’ll be out of stearidge section in a jiffy.

How about this, idea for sitcom.

Steerage section in group therapy settings…ok, you can be therapist trying.l to rehabilitate “us” from our ignorance. That show would made some major money.

#197 PastThePeak on 11.11.19 at 2:24 pm

#195 crazyfox on 11.11.19 at 2:06 pm
#165 PastThePeak on 11.11.19 at 11:07 am

Let me get this right. You are saying that a UN report on biodiversity loss claiming: “People are putting nature in more trouble now than at any other time in human history, with extinction looming over 1 million species of plants and animals, scientists said Monday.” …is false!

You are saying that’s rubbish, dismissing it with the wave of a hand because of a link you thought was a comprehensive species count here on Earth saying there was less than 2 million species? You must have spent a great deal of time on that:

https://phys.org/news/2019-04-species-earth-simple-hard.html

https://www.currentresults.com/Environment-Facts/Plants-Animals/estimate-of-worlds-total-number-of-species.php
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Crazy, I know this is difficult for you to understand – but I will repeat – it is the difference between “what is measured” and what is estimated. The link I provided is to a scientific database of known species populated by *real scientists*.

From your first article, “Current estimates for the number of species on Earth range between 5.3 million and 1 trillion”

That is quite a range, don’t you think? Both ends can’t be true. Hence why they are qualified as estimations vs. facts.

I am not “dismissing” anything out of hand. But I look for hard data – not the musings in an article. I also apply logic, per my last statement in that post. And no, I don’t automatically believe every estimation produced by the UN without any thinking or analysis on my own part.

Honestly, I think you need help.

#198 Figure it Out on 11.11.19 at 2:36 pm

#115 Actual Meteorologist — claims “Cqnada is not getting warmer if you look at the actual surface temperature records”

So I don’t understand, is this just some disinformaton smokescreen?

I downloaded Environment Canada’s weather data for Toronto, picked out July 15’s “mean temperature” for every year from 1840 to 2002, charted it and drew a trend line — up and to the right, again. Now I don’t know maybe a big city has a heat island effect that skews the results, so I did the same thing for Red Lake, Ontario, from 1933 to 2011, and found a similar though less pronounced increasing trend in temperature.

I didn’t massage any data, or look at other places and not tell you about what I found, and I used all of the data from each weather station. And with a few minutes work, I found a trend that basically matches my understanding of the consensus opinion of meteorologists who aren’t also amateur proctologists.

So again, is this just bumf aimed at the gullible and those seeking confirmation bias?

#199 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.11.19 at 3:05 pm

@#191 Billybob
“I celebrated by burning 53 tons of fossil fuels (also known as Jet A) flying 350 people from London to Los Angeles.”
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Hilarious.
I went to the Remembrance day ceremony in North Burnaby.
About 1500 people there.
Politicians in an overabundance.

Four things.

Never noticed “armed to the teeth” RCMP security before.
The bugler that played “Taps” off key had all the dogs howling…
The hovering RCMP helicopter mercifully drowned out the off key warbling trumpet….and the Harvard warplane “Fly Past” was (unusually) 20 minutes late.

#200 IHCTD9 on 11.11.19 at 3:21 pm

#187 Sold Out on 11.11.19 at 1:25 pm

Reading the comments here drove me to seek out a more nuanced and thoughtful explanation for why those on opposite sides of the urban/rural divide hate each others guts.
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They don’t.

#201 Shawn Allen on 11.11.19 at 3:39 pm

“Debt Exploded”

And so must have lending exploded. I struggle to understand why there has not been any kind of lender’s strike or even a demand for somewhat higher interest rates.

Strange days indeed.

As the wealth at the top explodes, they perhaps have a ton of wealth to lend to the masses. The interest rate got competed down?

Nice article! Thought provoking.

#202 pbrasseur on 11.11.19 at 3:45 pm

The more I look it and I looked quite a bit, the more I’m skeptic about global warming caused by Co2.

Too many false facts in the medias, too many lies, to much politics and not enough real science. Even the (ajusted, calculated, massaged) temperature data published by NASA, NOAA and others can no longer be trusted.

The climate change scare has entered bubble territory and just like any bubble people are becoming irrationnal (and that includes educated people and even many scientists). Also like other bubbles a lot of people are profiting from it, companies, buraucraties, politicians, medias, scientists (as lons as they follow the narrative.)

#203 Shawn Allen on 11.11.19 at 3:50 pm

Don’t Forget also

There is basically no “we” in economics.

In WW II it was definitely a situation of “we”. Certainly England would win or lose that war as a nation.

When it comes to our team winning at the Olympics that is also pretty much a “we” moment.

When it comes to finances, not so much. The national debt will not be serviced per capita. When Canadian exports fall that harms some people a lot and most people hardly at all.

Lower exports are sort of bad for everyone but for some it means $100 a year in extra tax while for others it means going broke. Not really a “we” thing.

A huge amount of the excessive debt is individual, not a we thing.

#204 Sail Away on 11.11.19 at 3:55 pm

#158 NoName on 11.11.19 at 10:00 am

[The golden asteroid]

This asteroid could be the most valuable thing in our entire Solar System. It’s valued at $700 quintillion — that’s many billion times more valuable than all of the money in the world today.

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Recovering a golden asteroid would destroy all value since the subjective value applied to gold is based on rarity. For a large part of the 19th century, aluminum was valued higher than gold due to perceived scarcity. That changed overnight and the same could happen to gold hoarders.

How many stocks are highly valued due to their ‘special’ product but proceed to bankrupt believers? Cannabis, Canadian oil, and bitcoin come to mind.

#205 Crisi on 11.11.19 at 4:03 pm

Thanks for the post
And thanks for our vets.

My nickel as two cents does not exist, human nature is to get the most out of life even if it means stepping over the other person to get ahead.

When sea levels are at the gates then people will act.
Until then we will not change, maybe bringing a coffee mug instead of paper you convenience yourself your saving the environment, but in reality it’s the big things like oils sands, anyway it’s human nature.

Not sure what the solutions are especially when I read it costs more energy to produce a paper back then to produce a plastic bag. Not to mention the effect of cutting down a tree.
What I have learned is everything comes with some kind of cost whether it be to produce it or recycle it. There is a cost and bottom line we are not prepared to pay more to help the environment.
Read how much energy and water we use to produce a shirt. Scary!
Anyway I am a firm believer the future will be better than today as in a crisis the most amazing inventions will come about to save the planet.

#206 Actual Meteorologist on 11.11.19 at 6:07 pm

Good try Can’t FIO…

I’m looking the 1840 – Aug 2019 data set of highs and lows for the U of T site and YYZ after it decommissioned. If you plot all 65,382 points both the high and low lines show a slight trend up at the end of the 1870s – 1890 period, then up a touch but General level from ~1890 til now. Ups and down of course, as those are part of natural varibilty, with some spikes up in the brutal 30s and early 40s heat waves. Heat Island effect shows up nicely as it switched over to YYZ in the early 2000s – cooler nights being the marker.

Regardless, absolutely no resemblance to the Michael Mann “Hockey Stick” temp anomaly graph which exaggerates grossly with scale and is highly questionable in its data.

#207 Actual Meteorologist on 11.11.19 at 6:16 pm

Should also add that Toronto’s hottest 15 days are all from the years 1936 (3 days at 41°C – without Humidex), 1911, 1918, 1948, 1854, 1916, 1953, 1949, and 1988.

#208 Marco on 11.11.19 at 10:22 pm

Will Greta make more than Al Gore