Ok…

So it happened this week.

‘Ok Boomer’ appeared in the comments section. It was a defining moment.

As noted here a day ago, we’re now in the TikTok age. This is beyond Facebook. Past Twitter or Whatsapp. Way after Instagram. Dominated by teenagers and twentysomethings, it hints at where we’re headed. And, apparently, we’re doomed. Watch for 30 minutes and see if you can still walk straight.

Generations have always clashed, but lately there’s a huge political and financial element to the friction between the Boomers and everybody who’s come afterwards. It’s been encapsulated in the ‘Ok Boomer’ phrase, which is meant to be dismissive, disrespectful, patronizing and damning. Because being a Boomer is bad. Is that you? Then be ashamed.

Why?

Simple. Boomers stand accused of screwing up everything. The climate. The economy. The future. People in this cohort made houses too expensive to afford. They created wealth inequality and the 99%-1% divide. They gave the world Donald Trump. They stole all the good jobs and they won’t give them back.  And, above all, they grew up in a time of inflation, expansion and opportunity, while leaving behind deflation, contraction and debris. Whatever’s wrong is likely a Boomer creation.

Now, full disclosure: this pathetic blog has dabbled in its own share of ageism. After all, it’s fun ridiculing moisters with their whiskers, tats, vape pens, wrinkled shirts, house lust, Drake and reliance on mom. But wrinklies are equally ridiculed, especially those crusty people who’ve gone  through six or seven prosperous decades and think the world owes them something. As for the GenX mushy middle, well, God help you.

The ‘Ok Boomer’ thing went viral recently when a Green Party MP in New Zealand hurled it at a heckler during her speech in the legislature. Don’t ask me why. It’s an Internet thing. Anyway, happened. Then some US radio jock tweeted this, and it was war:

“Boomer’ is the n-word of ageism. Being hip and flip does not make bigotry ok, nor is a derisive epithet acceptable because it is now.”

Little Greta Thunberg, the climate change warrior, epitomizes the anti-old movement, since she has pitted herself against the elites – corporations, governments, the United Nations. All of those are not dominated by Mills, but their parents and grandparents. Meanwhile the wealth divide has yawned ever larger and in Canada’s big cities this is epitomized by property. The Boomers are loaded with it. The kids are struggling to afford rent. Resentment has soared along with education and expectations. A BA was an accomplishment for a boomer. Today it’s equivalent to a high school education. Adulthood has been pushed back as years in school augment.

‘Education, not experience,’ is the new demand. And there’s no doubt those with MAs, MBAs or multiple engineering degrees deeply resent managers with a sliver of their formal training but decades of practical learning.

Millennials believe parents lucked into steady jobs, pensions, houses, income security and now retirement. For the newer generation careers have disappeared in a gig economy, debt is a fact of life and real estate elusive, while society itself looks unsustainable. How can so few people possess so much while most go wanting? How can the spectre of climate disaster be ignored? Hasn’t capitalism failed when wealthy nations borrow capriciously against the future?

Good questions. The world’s imperfect. But a big Boomer die-off won’t change that. Millennial values don’t seem that different from those of their folks – they want a house, babies, an income and early retirement. Odds are two decades from now ‘Ok Millennial’ will be the new n-word phrase of ageism.

But one thing is true: the nationalism, populism and fake patriotism that Brexit or MAGA embody is entirely a creation of the Boomer generation. With hard borders, trade barriers, cultural intolerance and a growth-at-all-costs mentality it’s a generational attempt to go backwards in time to a homogenous era when a man could afford a house, wife, family and cottage on one wage. When nobody cared what went on in China or San Salvador, and immigrants were supposed to be poor.

Now, a lot of old people have lost their way, fearing the very globalism, freer borders, technology and flexibility that brings opportunity to well-educated, mobile, motivated kids. Cutting the UK off from the EU, for example, is a crime against the young. Just like opening oil drilling in protected areas or rolling back climate accords.

Well, the war’s just started, methinks. And the more I know about it, the more I like dogs.

 

185 comments ↓

#1 Sold Out on 11.07.19 at 3:46 pm

Garth, it would be prudent to limit the use of the ‘n’ word analogies; we mock those who equate minor rights infringement with Nazi tactics (rightly so), but conflating a hip slur against Boomers with the effects of slavery should earn the same derision.

#2 mitzerboyakaQueencitykidd on 11.07.19 at 3:46 pm

It’s still good to know that
Love Is Love Hate is hate

#3 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 3:49 pm

Dont blame Millennials on me.
I didnt have any kids.
I was concerned with global warming and its direct connection to overpopulation and the end of the world and all that.

No need to thank me
:)

#4 Not So New guy on 11.07.19 at 3:52 pm

Hearing all the did not, did so arguing from the climate believers and deniers I have a promise to make you.

We will all die of nuclear war before we will ever get seriously singed by climate change

I guarantee it!

#5 Calgary Rip Off on 11.07.19 at 3:52 pm

Garth it is very easy to blame others on misfortunes.

This is currently the thinking pattern for young people as well as many Albertans.

First, Instagram and Snapchat teach dysfunctional thinking patterns. Constant validation creates anxiety and wastes young peoples time. Consequently many suffer from anxiety and misfocused attention. How do I know? I have a 17 year old who wastes much of her time on this delusional non real world thinking that permeates instagram and snapchat. The reality is that the teenage and twenty something crowd is overloaded cognitively with delusional fantasies that are not real. Hence the comments to “boomers”.

Second, the reason Alberta is in the hoop is Trudeau and the liberals, not the Americans or Trump for protecting USA’s oil interests. And yet Kenney cant seem to negotiate a pipeline and has zero backup plan for a landlocked province that has no other commodities than bitumen and natural gas. Some Albertans think they are going to join the United States. This is laughable as the entitlement common in Canada would be immediately crushed. Alberta would end up like Bismarck North Dakota before the oil boom. The ignorance in Alberta is truly baffling.

Note to self: Avoid ignorant conservative Albertans and twenty year olds and teenagers who blame others for their self imposed limitations.

#6 Shawn Allen on 11.07.19 at 3:52 pm

Many, but not all, Millennials, while standing on the shoulders of Boomers and all previous generations, even still living with Mom and Dad complain bitterly about Boomers.

…while mostly living in the lap of luxury.

Well in this life winners will continue to win and losers will continue to lose.

Millenials will be well represented in both groups as are Boomers. (There are in fact many poor Boomers)

#7 Dups on 11.07.19 at 3:54 pm

Boomers rock!

#8 Not So New guy on 11.07.19 at 3:55 pm

If the wexit party ever gets serious about running canadidates, please run some in BC. I’m sure many of us would vote for you

#9 FreeBird on 11.07.19 at 3:55 pm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Generations have always pointed fingers at each other with younger rebelling against older. I’m choosing to do what my parents did and between eye rolling and in my day lectures have some faith and bridge some gaps. Feeding the divide doesn’t help. Age doesn’t guarantee wisdom or maturity and some kids and Mills I’ve met are wiser then given credit for. But I agree animals esp dogs are so much better then humans. Apologies to cat lovers.

#10 yvr_lurker on 11.07.19 at 4:04 pm

Explain to me what it is not reasonable for the current generation of Canadians to aspire to roughly the same opportunity in housing, jobs, etc… as the crop of people who came before them who were incredbily fortunate to have year on year huge price evaluations in property they purchased initially at a modest price/income ratio? I realize this pertains to the major cities, but this is where many of the high-skill and high-salary professional jobs are. Is it reasonable that one needs two very high salaries for young professionals to get a foothold in our major cities and contemplate raising a family. Shouid they just shut up, accept their lot, and not complain? Move to a smaller town, leaving family/friends behind, and likely getting lesser jobs? I heard Trois-Rivieres has
really affordable housing.

This is one of the very undesirable effects of globalization, and in my view does not at all make a “world class” city that is good for LOCAL PEOPLE.

Or perhaps the idea is for this group to be vocal and politicized and seek to elect representatives who will try to take steps to tackle the issue (foreign buyers tax, taxing the *((&)( out of speculators, empty home tax).

#11 TheSpangler on 11.07.19 at 4:10 pm

Not too surprising this is happening. This is the first generation coming up where their standard of living will be lower than their parents.

#12 Ian on 11.07.19 at 4:16 pm

Laughed when you referenced Millenials listening to Drake, lol.

#13 JacqueShellacque on 11.07.19 at 4:22 pm

Different generations, different advantages and disadvantages. Boomers seem to have had it easy, but most of their lives were duller than dirt. Mils can’t buy a house for 30 grand, but have a whole world of possibilities that boomers could never have dreamed of. Instead of whining about what you don’t have, why not take advantage of what you do? My boomer dad had a steady job with the same company for 40 years and retired with a DB pension at 57. But there’s no chance in hell I’d take what he had even if it were offered. I’ve travelled the world and work in a career that didn’t exist 15 years ago. Why would anyone be mad about that?

#14 TRUMP2020 on 11.07.19 at 4:24 pm

OH .. THE DRAMA!!!!!

TOO MANY FOOLS WITH TOO MUCH SCREEN TIME ON THEIR HANDS.

#15 NoName on 11.07.19 at 4:24 pm

#116 jess on 11.07.19 at 2:17 pm
#112 not 1st on 11.07.19 at 1:43 pm

the “age of fire ” pyrogene?

https://grist.org/article/how-humans-kicked-off-the-pyrocene-a-new-age-of-fire/

here is a nice chart wilde fires ackerage burned vs carbon emissions going back to 1926 to 2010. i doubt that last 9 yrs we reach a burnt acre high as in 20s and 30s. Now we have airplanes fighting fire.

https://wryheat.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/media-hype-about-forest-fires-and-global-warming/wildfires-in-us/

#16 CalgaryGuy on 11.07.19 at 4:25 pm

I like dogs better than most people too these days. Bandit for PM! (like bandit would do worse? not.)

#17 Niagara Region on 11.07.19 at 4:28 pm

The boomer-millennial antagonism is a conquer-and-divide strategy so that working-class and middle-class people turn on groups within their own socioeconomic strata rather than examining who really has benefitted from the depression of wages, the loss of pensions, and the general decline of working conditions in Canada and the US since the 1970s. Who should we blame instead? Look up. The transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the wealthiest stratum since the 1980s has been staggering. For example, the top three billionaires in the US now have more wealth than 50% of the US population. Amazon has notoriously awful workplace conditions, and Bill Gates amassed his fortune in part by badly burning workers badly in the late 1980s [Source: Amy Klein, No Logo]. Another example: The Walton family owns billions of dollars, while many Walmart workers are forced to rely on food stamps, subsidized housing, and other forms of public assistance; and hence the Walton family is ultimately subsided by taxpayers. [Source: Walmart: the High Cost of Low Prices.] We workers should not turn on each other along lines of age but need properly directed hatred. Keep looking up–way up.

Hating Bill Gates and the Waltons. Yeah, that’s constructive. – Garth

#18 NoName on 11.07.19 at 4:33 pm

#118 Jesse on 11.07.19 at 2:54 pm

order and disorder, here is video older but interesting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD7pRA8DjBw

#19 NoName on 11.07.19 at 4:36 pm

#118 Jesse on 11.07.19 at 2:54 pm

order and disorder, here is video older but interesting

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fast forward to min3, firt 3 are inaccurate bable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD7pRA8DjBw

#20 The Wet One on 11.07.19 at 4:38 pm

OK boomer.

On a more useful note, see here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/06/ok-boomer-meme-older-generations

That actually constitutes a far better retort to OK boomer, but at the very least, it won’t be a popular retort around here for fairly obvious reasons.

And yes, dogs beat humans on most scales of judgment any day of the week.

Clever insertion of misanthropy in there Garth. I deliver mine more bluntly as a rule, but it offends. I guess if one entreats the public in one’s activities, it pays to be less acid.

#21 Mean Gene on 11.07.19 at 4:39 pm

“Ok Snowflake, whatever you say” said the Gen-X slacker on an Internet blog. LOL.

#22 Another Deckchair on 11.07.19 at 4:40 pm

Ok Garth;

I’m a “Generation Jones”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Although now I’m classed as a “boomer” by some.

Don’t know why, my parents were too young for WW2 service, Vietnam was “Bob Hope Specials” on TV, and ’50s music was unknown in our house.

Oh well. Tar me with whatever brush you want!

What’s with these names anyway?

#23 freedom first on 11.07.19 at 4:43 pm

I am a Boomer. I do not complain nor do I explain. I had a vasectomy as a young man. I accept what I can’t change, change what I can and am smart enough to know the difference. On my own since 17 with nothing and I do not feel self pity, blame, or anger. Thank God I am very smart, and I have enjoyed a great life. You may meet me some day and may like me or not. I will be happy either way. After me everybody comes first.

Freedom First

#24 Daveyboy on 11.07.19 at 4:51 pm

Drake made it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RubBzkZzpUA

#25 Stan Brooks on 11.07.19 at 4:52 pm

Only an incredibly stupid, ignorant and masochistic person would entertain any hopes of ‘making’ it in the big mental institution, where everything is rigged.

The chance of a society comprised from such individuals to succeed is, well, very limited at best, impossible in real terms.

Cheers brave and stupids souls,

#26 earthbounfmisfit on 11.07.19 at 4:52 pm

“We will all die of nuclear war before we will ever get seriously singed by climate change. I guarantee it!”

You don’t get invited to a lot of parties, do you?

#27 Curtis on 11.07.19 at 4:52 pm

Ok Boomer. I hope that the El Salvadorian and MS-13 invade at the Boomer retirement communities.

Ok Boomer?

#28 TalkingPie on 11.07.19 at 4:55 pm

The most damning charge against Boomers: they birthed and raised millennials.

There, now can we dispense with humans’ lowest common denominator trait of splitting off into tribes and accept that every epoch lives with its own advantages and challenges?

From where I’m sitting, there’s still lots of opportunity for a thirty-something in Canada to live a nice life.

#29 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 4:55 pm

Totally off the subject at hand.
Great News!
Quebec is expected to post a Surplus this year!

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/quebec-offers-more-for-families-in-economic-update-will-end-year-with-1-4b-surplus

Thanks Alberta!

#30 Stan Brooks on 11.07.19 at 4:56 pm

#23 freedom first on 11.07.19 at 4:43 pm

No worries, the stupid will compensate for that, watch the movie ‘Idiocracy’.

#31 NorthOf49 on 11.07.19 at 4:57 pm

Not buying it Garth. The mil kids I know are a respectable bunch and are smarter than you give credit for. They don’t make generalist statements against a particular age class. They are, however, current with issues and focus their criticism against those who take opportunities away without consideration of impact or consultation. When Doug Ford yanked OSAP eligibility, you better believe the mil students voted in droves to ensure his federal crony paid the price. Wouldn’t have mattered whether Ford and Scheer were 22 or 122, its the issues that matter. Ok Boomer is not a “war”, it’s fluff, except perhaps, in this decrepit comments section.

#32 Anna on 11.07.19 at 4:59 pm

I have to say as a Gen Xer, I’m really sick and tired of hearing about Millenials and Boomers.

#33 yorkville renter on 11.07.19 at 5:11 pm

Logan’s Run, anyone?
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0075527/

#34 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 5:13 pm

@#32 Anna
We dont care.
Besides…. Gen-Ex isnt allowed to have an opinion.
On anything.

Back in your room in the basement and stop sucking your
thumb. Its giving you buck teeth.

thttps://www.healthline.com/health/buck-teethhumb,

#35 yorkville renter on 11.07.19 at 5:14 pm

#6 and #13 got it right.

#36 not 1st on 11.07.19 at 5:25 pm

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#37 Shawn Allen on 11.07.19 at 5:25 pm

Wind Energy

Random check. Wind energy at the moment in Alberta operating at 47% of installed capacity. That’s not bad at all.

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

Natural gas (which most of this year has been cheaper than dirt) is carrying most of the load. Coal (also cheap) is second to natural gas as far as generation running at the moment.

Generation was deregulated in Alberta almost 20 years ago. The system has worked fantastically for customers. Cheap power.

Transmission and Distribution remains regulated (and fairly costly – but highly reliable).

#38 Tim Wells on 11.07.19 at 5:26 pm

44 here (45 in February). 32yrs old when my health fell apart and was ultimately forced out of the workforce and on disability. No savings, no investments, and I finally had to cash in what little money was accumulated through my Knights of Columbus pension. Also living back home to look after aging parents; one with advanced dementia, the other recovering from triple-bypass and suffering from Degenerative Disc Disease.

I’ve reached a fundamental conclusion over the last decade or so: life isn’t fair. Every generation blames the one before. Greed and materialism has completely taken over our society, combined with our insatiable need for more and more has many Canadians indebted as never before. I question the conventional wisdom that stock markets, the economy, jobs, are only going up and up from here as all I see happening in my city (population roughly 43,000) are nothing but closures and layoffs. Most of my buddies took off for B.C. and Alberta after graduation, many of whom are now making their way back home. These were guys who were earning six-figures, now facing uncertain futures themselves. I’ve heard countless stories of divorces, bankruptcies, repos, etc. A few of these guys are also in failing health now themselves. The emotional and financial toll the fires and oil bust in AB have taken on many of these men is a frightening prospect to behold.

What am I driving at here? The future is unpredictable. Many of us are only one or two paychecks away from financial ruin. You take one day at a time and accept the hand you’ve been dealt, do the best you can. This isn’t even capitalism anymore, it’s crony capitalism and I’ve been arguing that point for awhile now. As the income gap grows wider and more and more individuals find themselves on the wrong side of the fence, that’s when I expect things are gonna get really interesting. The global economic headwinds are mounting, many are hurting, the family unit is fracturing, and we’re all losing our marbles and burning out before we even hit 40, all just to keep up with the Joneses and compete in the ‘rat race.’

There’s a reason we’ve witnessed a spike in violence right across this nation. I won’t even delve into the details of what the opioid crisis has done to my small town — and indeed all across Canada.

Good luck folks. Rich or poor, healthy or not, we’re all on the same train and I know where this all eventually ends up…

#39 Bob Dog on 11.07.19 at 5:28 pm

This is not about a milestone or date when prosperity ended. This has been happening slowly over 25 years and has accelerated since the 2007 economic reset. We had an election and I still can’t afford to live in Canada. Democracy is no longer an effective tool for change.

The maldistribution of GDP has gotten so absurd that even billionaires are calling out the central bankers and policy makers for the sham redistribution of wealth.

The only solution is revolution. Young people need to form union and act as one. E pluribus unum. Its the only way to reverse the mess we are all in.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/ray-dalio-says-the-economy-isnt-growing-because-the-world-is-mad.html

Inequality is much worse than most people can possibly imagine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

#40 not 1st on 11.07.19 at 5:29 pm

Cutting the UK off from the EU, for example, is a crime against the young. Just like opening oil drilling in protected areas or rolling back climate accords.
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What about inter generational debt? That’s not abuse?

Boomers know whats best because they have bled for these countries. I trust their judgement on anything over millennials.

#41 Boomer Crusher on 11.07.19 at 5:31 pm

You can say millennials are screwed up, but it’s because they were raised by boomer parents. Boomers are a generation that was raised traditional, but did not raise the next generation (gen X & millenials) in a traditional fashion. That’s a rare occurrence in history. Boomers are the generation that broke the civilisational link between previous generations (Silent, Greatest generation) and the younger generations (Gen X and Millenials). They are a generation that was raised by stay at home moms, but sent their old parents in dying homes instead of returning the favour and taking care of them in their old age. They also sent their kids in kindergarten instead of taking care of them like their stay at home moms did when boomers were kids. At least the millennials will have that excuse when they dump their boomer parents in the retirement home: “You parked me in a kindergarten when I was a kid, now I’m parking you here pops.”

#42 Niagara Region on 11.07.19 at 5:32 pm

Hating Bill Gates and the Waltons. Yeah, that’s constructive. – Garth
________________________________
I was trying to place nice by mentioning Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, and the Waltons, since I didn’t realize that people liked these folks. Admittedly, it is true that indicting the wealthiest 400 families in the US is more appropriate. The massive transfer of wealth in the US since the 1980s has everything to do with squeezing workers. Workers have suffered major losses in salaries and benefits since the 1970s. These losses are the gains of the wealthy owning stratum. For example,
Jeff Bezos financially benefits by paying his workers as little as possible. My larger point is that millennials are unwise to hate boomers, since it’s an unproductive diversion from a crucial reason why so many millennials are economically suffering with poor wages, unstable work, and little or no benefits. But perhaps mine is an unpopular stance to take on a financial blog about investment [?].

#43 RomeTimed on 11.07.19 at 5:38 pm

As a milennial I think so far boomers have gotten a more negative rap than deserved. However, I think in 10-15 years once they are obliterating the healthcare system and taxes are soaring … that will be a different matter.

#44 SunDays on 11.07.19 at 5:39 pm

Boomer Interviewing Greta at the Pub:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZX5rdIYNkY

#45 Out here on the west coast ... on 11.07.19 at 5:40 pm

most of these young’uns will need their boomer parents to now pay for their car insurance too. If they drive they probably can’t afford to do it any more with the dipper’s new rates … OUCH

#46 Randy on 11.07.19 at 5:43 pm

If you hate me because I’m a happy, well-healed, healthy, retired Boomer…. I don’t care if your life sux. Boomers were blessed to have experienced the 30 greatest years of music….ever…..

#47 Isuckless on 11.07.19 at 5:46 pm

I am a cat person but I love dogs more than people.
Ok boomer is another divisive tactics: divide and rule always works

#48 Yukon Elvis on 11.07.19 at 5:46 pm

#28 TalkingPie on 11.07.19 at 4:55 pm
The most damning charge against Boomers: they birthed and raised millennials.
…………………..

Yup. We spoiled the little brats.

#49 KB on 11.07.19 at 5:49 pm

I’m in the mushy middle GenX. I chose to try to bridge the gap between Boomers and Millennials. We can learn a lot from each generation. The Boomers with their grizzled experience and the Millennials with their tech savvy and slick presentation skills. GenX? We’re just highly adaptable to change. Why not embrace the differences?

#50 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 5:53 pm

There’s going to be a boatload of comments on this one!

#51 Caledondave on 11.07.19 at 5:56 pm

Yeah so I like watched a few minutes of Tik Tok and it made me think jeez we are in deep doodoo because I sure did not find it interesting. I guess a lot of police officers may get written up for misuse of their time or misuse of police vehicles. Anyway thanks for enlightening me on this new fad. I must be too old or something.

#52 Yukon Elvis on 11.07.19 at 5:59 pm

Millennials believe parents lucked into steady jobs, pensions, houses, income security and now retirement.
……………………..

I remember several big recessions, high inflation, wage and price controls, martial law, 20% interest rates, high unemployment, a .64 cent Canadian dollar, and a few stock market crashes. It wasn’t as easy as they think. We did not teach them well.

#53 PetertheSeparatistfromCalgary on 11.07.19 at 6:00 pm

The reason housing is so expensive is because of all the regulations on new housing. Back in the day they could put up entire neighborhoods on farmland, forests sometimes near toxic canals with few regulatory hurdles.

Love Canal is not a porn movie kids! Rather it is one of many causes of all this extreme regulation pushing up housing costs.

#54 Randy on 11.07.19 at 6:11 pm

If you hate me because I’m a happy, well-heeled, healthy, retired Boomer…. I don’t care if your life sux. Boomers were blessed to have experienced the 30 greatest years of music….ever…..

#55 45north on 11.07.19 at 6:15 pm

Generations have always clashed, but lately there’s a huge political and financial element to the friction between the Boomers and everybody who’s come afterwards.

it depends

Boomers like me have worked hard to support their kids – in their education, their work and their children (the boomers’ grandchildren). Just in having a home to which the kids can come home. If you’re a man like me, I suppose a lot has to do with living with their mother or not – I do.

so it depends

#56 SunShowers on 11.07.19 at 6:17 pm

“it’s a generational attempt to go backwards in time to a homogenous era when a man could afford a house, wife, family and cottage on one wage.”

What is the problem with this, exactly? If Boomers were able to have this kind of life, why not the generations who came after? Minus the implicit xenophobia, of course.

If you can chock the whole thing up to “well that’s not the way things are anymore because of globalism”, then to me that’s a scathing indictment of globalism. It confirms that globalism is a regressive force that concentrates wealth at the top at the expense of the masses, rather than the progressive one that distributes wealth more broadly, as we are told by those who defend it.

If that’s the case, and globalization has indeed been a net detriment to our standard of living, why not try to cram the genie back in the bottle? If we can have that kind of financial security back, I don’t think moderately more expensive consumer goods would be too high a price to pay.

And before anyone says anything, let me just nip this in the bud. Globalization has NOT meaningfully raised living standards in the developing world, as it’s defenders would have us believe. This is from the World Bank’s own poverty data. I have posted it on this blog 2-3 times before.

All in all though Garth, these last few posts have been pretty fair and insightful. To what degree you might agree with Millennial grievances may very, but you at least seem to UNDERSTAND those grievances without the callous misrepresentation that so many others heap on (lazy, self-absorbed, greedy, etc).

It seems you’re far more cognizant than many young’uns, myself included, have given you credit for in the past!

#57 Re-Cowtown on 11.07.19 at 6:18 pm

Boomer Schoomer.. who cares? It’s all just about the shifting demographics constantly creating and destroying opportunities for different cadres. Playing one generation against another is pure politics and whining about it won’t do anything to help your life.

The key is to do a bunch of research and find out what your generation is doing and make investment decisions that will allow you to surf the bulge and stay out of the roadkill zone.

For example, if you’re a Millenial, rent until the Boomers have hit the wall in retirement (maybe five more years) and are forced en masse to sell their houses. It’s the inverse of the strategy that the Boomers lucked into.

Hint: As the boomer’s retire they’ll pull $$ out of financial markets and use it to live on. This’ll make capital more dear and interest rates will climb. And there’s NOTHING anyone can do about that one.

Couple that to huge government deficits and taxes will climb like crazy. Just look at Calgary as a preview to coming attractions.

Best strategy? Rent until the retiring boomers run out of cash and then vultch the real estate. This also will keep you away from the property tax vacuum cleaner that the city will aim at you.

You’re welcome.

#58 I'm Alright Jack on 11.07.19 at 6:20 pm

Thanks #44 SunDays. I needed a good laugh.

Now, somehow, I feel I have to go grab a beer.

#59 PKP801 on 11.07.19 at 6:21 pm

Here’s an interesting thought, Garth. “Demographics is destiny” used to be (I think) associated with all the bad people on the right.

But guess what? Trends show millennials (especially the left-leaning ones) aren’t having sex, aren’t having kids, and aren’t getting married.

But you know who is? Religious conservatives, and immigrants from conservative-leaning cultures and religions. And you know what values the children of conservatives have? Conservative values. The climate activism, callout culture and all the rest of what’s going on on the left may be the last gasp. If you look at demographics? The future is conservative. At least in a couple of decades.

#60 Sebee on 11.07.19 at 6:22 pm

Garth,

Have you ever considered that you’re projecting and dogs aren’t your best friends? I feel most people buy dogs and then lock’em up in condos and pay strangers to walk them.

I have plenty of friends, none of them take a giant dump in my living room if I don’t walk with them.

Jokes aside…there is this real study.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/13/dogs-best-friend-least-honest-friend

But bottom line, nothing like having to yank a leash, pick up poop or have to chase your off leash pup to improve a walk through the park, right?

#61 Phylis on 11.07.19 at 6:29 pm

I can identify with whatever generation i want, right?

#62 Sail Away on 11.07.19 at 6:36 pm

Things are tough all over. I guess we’ll just have to make it through… somehow…

Another manufactured ‘crisis’

#63 Rargary on 11.07.19 at 6:36 pm

#32 Anna on 11.07.19 at 4:59 pm

I have to say as a Gen Xer, I’m really sick and tired of hearing about Millenials and Boomers.
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As a co- gen Xer, The us against them rhetoric is negative.

In our day, staring at the clock at work was a crime. Nevermind a phone!

This world is more messed than it ever was. How often do the generations make waves about how grateful they are for what they do have that is more than anytime before now???

#64 Smoking Man on 11.07.19 at 6:39 pm

I’m hooked on TicTok.

Why did you publish the link…damn

#65 Bytor the Snow Dog on 11.07.19 at 6:41 pm

Boomer here, well at least late Boomer but I kinda like the “Generation Jones” reference.

Anyway, I have two Millennial kids that I paid to have highly educated and raised not to be whiners. Had working kids that are doing just fine.

The rest of you voted for Trudeau or by Dog even more left.

You deserve what you get.

#66 Bytor the Snow Dog on 11.07.19 at 6:43 pm

That’s “hard” working kids.

My kingdom for an edit button.

#67 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 6:47 pm

#59 PKP801 on 11.07.19 at 6:21 pm
Here’s an interesting thought, Garth. “Demographics is destiny” used to be (I think) associated with all the bad people on the right.

But guess what? Trends show millennials (especially the left-leaning ones) aren’t having sex, aren’t having kids, and aren’t getting married.

But you know who is? Religious conservatives, and immigrants from conservative-leaning cultures and religions.
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You are right on the money here. Few consider the ramifications of reproduction, and immigration like this. The US is a great example, probably the highest fertility rate in the Western world thanks to religion and Hispanics. 50 years from now, the traditions and upbringings of these folks will be alive and well. The lifestyles and world views of those who do not reproduce, largely die with them.

Reproduction and relations between the sexes, underpin just about everything in civilized society.

#68 Smartalox on 11.07.19 at 6:50 pm

@ Flop:

I can’t help but wonder how your late blog friend / mentor ‘Boom’ would have reacted to ‘Ok BOOMER’ being used by Millennials to put members of his generation down.

I like to think that he would have really leaned into the role of nominal ‘Boomer’, delivering his advice, and if it fell on deaf ears, would have taken that response in stride. But you knew him better than I did.

M45BC

#69 Sail Away on 11.07.19 at 6:58 pm

#60 Sebee on 11.07.19 at 6:22 pm
Garth,

Have you ever considered that you’re projecting and dogs aren’t your best friends?

I have plenty of friends, none of them take a giant dump in my living room if I don’t walk with them.

Jokes aside…there is this real study.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/13/dogs-best-friend-least-honest-friend

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Oh, dogs are definitely in it for themselves. Biggest suckups and fakers around. We like them since they’ll join us in acting stupid, while cats will walk away.

I’ve always had working bird dogs but have no illusions they wouldn’t sell me out for a piece of bacon.

#70 SimplyPut7 on 11.07.19 at 6:59 pm

I’m sure the Boomer/Gen-X vs Gen-Y war and West vs East clash will fix itself during the next Canadian recession when all sides come to the agreement that they are poorer than they think.

https://youtu.be/DmSGQAgLGF4

#71 Renter's Revenge! on 11.07.19 at 7:01 pm

I’m actually surprised more of the comments on this post aren’t just, “OK Boomer”.

#72 Wolf23 on 11.07.19 at 7:08 pm

Millenial here.

Lets talk about my Boomer Director.

Their education was a two year diploma. Today you need a Master’s to even be vetted for an interview.

They have been with the company for almost four decades and could have retired five years ago with a full DB Pension and benfits.

Meanwhile there are people ready to roll with new ideas, innovation and an understanding of the work force that have left as they haven’t been able to advance due to their refusal to retire.

This would not be a big deal if the Director was kind, fair, and willing to teach their employees to help them grow and advance in their career.

Instead they are vindictive, fearful of change, and unwilling to even humour “young” person’s ideas.

In a private company I’m sure why would have been let go years ago. But this is government and they are part of the old boys club.

It would be nice to have a mentor rather than a tyrant as a boss.

#73 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 7:13 pm

#6 Shawn Allen

This may be of interest to you altough it is concerning USA boomers. I suspect our situation in Canada is not any better.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/are-we-baby-boomer-retirement-crisis.asp

#74 kommykim on 11.07.19 at 7:16 pm

Some of the memes out there I find really annoying. Like this one where they compare wages using inflation adjusted numbers but compare house prices with unadjusted numbers:

https://pics.me.me/thread-average-family-income-canada-1975-50k-2015-70k-average-55191877.png

Trying to explain to a poorly educated 20 something that this makes the meme deceptive falls on deaf ears.

#75 SmarterSquirrel on 11.07.19 at 7:16 pm

I was told by a millennial nephew of a friend of mine that my generation didn’t have it as bad as his. I like to base my comments on fact. So I looked and found a chart for Canada’s long range unemployment rate here. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/unemployment-rate
Then I told him from when I got my first job as a bag boy at the grocery store when I was 15 to when I was 30 (1985 to 2000) the unemployment rate for all 15 years was above 7% and for ten of those years it was above 8% and a couple of times it spiked up to 13% and 12%. Then I asked him to look at the chart and tell me how many years from when he was 15 to 30 (though he’s not 30 yet) was the unemployment rate above 7%. It was far fewer.

The millennial generation does not have it worse than my generation did. The recession and unemployment experienced in Canada in the 90s was a very difficult time, more so than today. But I never complained. That to me is the difference. I never had an expectation that the world owed me anything. I didn’t expect life to be fair. I expected life to be a long road of hard work interspersed with a lot of fun.

I’ve always thought that given that I live in a country that has not known war on its shores in my lifetime, where there is fresh water to be had by turning a tap, where I am free to vote peacefully, and that I never had to be sent into battle to fight in a world war and that I didn’t have to live through the Great Depression, that that means I am living in very fortunate times in a very fortunate place. There are many in the past who had it worse in Canada and many in other parts of the world who have it much much worse than we have it today.

Hopefully the millennials can agree with that.

#76 I’m stupid on 11.07.19 at 7:17 pm

It’s 80s jealousy. I wish I was in my prime during the 1980s. The 90s were ok that my my prime. But nothing beats the 80s. The problem with 20 something today is that they either don’t know how to have fun or can’t have fun.

The father Inlaw of a friend of mine had a had a night club in the 80s. They had a club mascot, it was a chimpanzee. This chimp use to smoke cigarettes, do cocaine and drink congac. Imagine trying to get away with that one now. Pita would eat you for breakfast. The fun has been sucked out of society. No wonder all these millennials are angry. I would be too if my youth wasn’t fun.

#77 Guy in Calgary on 11.07.19 at 7:20 pm

There are poor boomers as there are wealthy boomers. There are poor millenials as there are also wealthy millenials or those on track to become wealthy.

There are boomers that blame the govnermnet for their problems, as there are millenials that do the same.

Winners will win, losers will lose. Simple as that.

#78 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 7:20 pm

poignant words Garth.
This blog just keeps getting darker and darker.
Someone new to the comments section would think the world is ending and everyone hates each other lol.

#79 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 7:21 pm

IMHO, most of the anti-Boomer sentiment originates from urban Millennials. I agree life is tough for them in the Metros of the Western world. Big expensive educations, and crap job markets, uber-competitive, stressful and expensive. It sucks.

Out here amongst the black spruce and peat bogs of rural Ontario, Mils are doing great. Way better that I could have hoped for myself. SFD owning new truck driving Mils are a dime a dozen. A good chunk are married with kids too. The feminist push to get Women into the workforce has changed the landscape huge out here from gen X on down. Two decent incomes, and good RE prices allow for better lifestyles than ever before – miles ahead of the Boomers.

Head to a small/medium sized city in Ontario and cruise by a GM or Ford dealership. The 50-60k trucks will be lined up by the curb with the 30k crossovers out back. Scads of brand spanking new 4 door trucks with young dudes and dudettes behind the wheel and a couple kids in back driving around. Half the time there’s a 13k quad in the box, or a 20k SxS in tow too.

There’s a king sized gap separating the plight of urban Mils, and rural Mils. The latter have little to complain about…

#80 VanIsle Retiree on 11.07.19 at 7:22 pm

I have only commented 3 or 4 times in the past, but I could not resist passing along this, given Garth’s post today:

A very self-important college freshman attending a recent football game took it upon himself to explain to a senior citizen sitting next to him why it was impossible for the older generation to understand his generation. ‘You grew up in a different world, actually an almost primitive one,’ the student said, loud enough for many of those nearby to hear. ‘The young people of today are much more advanced than people your age. We grew up with television, jet planes, space travel,
man walking on the moon, and the internet. We have cell phones, nuclear energy, electric and hydrogen cars, computers, automated manufacturing, amazing technologies…and,’ pausing to take another drink of beer…
The senior took advantage of the break in the student’s litany and said, ‘You’re right, son. We didn’t have those things when we were young…so we invented them. Now, you arrogant little wimp, what are YOU doing for the next generation?

#81 Art Rivard on 11.07.19 at 7:24 pm

Garth,

An interesting book on this topic that may be of interest to your readers is THIS CHAIR ROCKS: A MANIFESTO AGAINST AGEISM…by Ashton Applewhite.

Arty

#82 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 7:26 pm

Let’s not overlook this group. The forgotten generation. Time to start blaming them for your problems mils like your children will be blaming this group since we boomers will be the forgotten ones by then.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesagencycouncil/2018/11/14/the-forgotten-generation-lets-talk-about-generation-x/#331d4a8976d5

#83 Flop... on 11.07.19 at 7:29 pm

#68 Smartalox on 11.07.19 at 6:50 pm
@ Flop:

I can’t help but wonder how your late blog friend / mentor ‘Boom’ would have reacted to ‘Ok BOOMER’ being used by Millennials to put members of his generation down.

I like to think that he would have really leaned into the role of nominal ‘Boomer’, delivering his advice, and if it fell on deaf ears, would have taken that response in stride. But you knew him better than I did.

M45BC

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Hey Alex, you know what I was just thinking about Roy Stacey when I read this post by Garth and the following comments.

It was around this time of year five years ago that Garth wrote a similar type of post and a multi-day generational war took off on the blog, and somewhere along the line I posted the first GAP code on this blog.

Boom and I had already been blog buddies but he started using M62WI, I think was his first GAP code, in support and later changed his name from Retired Boomer WI to the shorter Boom, which I had been calling him because I’m not the best typer, and just a friendly nickname.

He did write some powerful messages when it came to dealing with the following generations and one of these exchanges Garth even highlighted in part of his Boxing Day 2016 tribute post.

There was many things I admired about Roy Stacey, but besides his sense of humour and friendly demeanour, I liked the way he talked to people, as opposed to at them.

I never got the impression he felt he was better than anyone on here and I was hoping to learn from him for the next 20 or 30 years, but it was not to be.

I think he enjoyed passing stuff on and we used to joke about him being my blog dad and I his blog son, later on we found out the I was roughly the same age as his son, Paul.

He wrote stuff I didn’t agree with and I’m sure I wrote lots of stuff that he didn’t like, but we shared a bond and didn’t feel the need to defend each other or whack each other with the blog bamboo.

We tried to show everyone that we could disagree on stuff and still be buddies despite our differences in age, education, wealth, height!

Height!

Boom, would have loved that joke, he had me beat in most aspects of life but I’ve banged my head a few more times than him.

I will look back in the archives roughly five years ago, and if I see a Boom Beauty, I will post it…

M45BC
M64WI

#84 gfd on 11.07.19 at 7:30 pm

I’m a boomer man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVUIasMNdt4

#85 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 7:37 pm

@#73 Wolf23

I’m a Boomer and I worked in an office like that.
20 years senoirity and I still quit.
Life is too short to be ruled by bullies and idiots(usually the same people)
I’m far better off now financially and otherwise.

Print your comment and paste it everywhere in the office.
With Greta’s warning, ‘We’re watching you…..”

#86 dr talc on 11.07.19 at 7:38 pm

No one likes a complainer. Joe Dolce said it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=sFacWGBJ_cs

#87 akashic record on 11.07.19 at 7:40 pm

OK boomer – how dare you?! :)

#88 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 7:41 pm

#69 Sail Away on 11.07.19 at 6:58 pm

Oh, dogs are definitely in it for themselves. Biggest suckups and fakers around. We like them since they’ll join us in acting stupid, while cats will walk away.

I’ve always had working bird dogs but have no illusions they wouldn’t sell me out for a piece of bacon.
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I haven’t had a Canine pet since I was a kid, only Cats since then. Our Cat would sell me for $0.00 to get some bacon. He also likes mini-wheats and apple pie crust, and I suppose I’d be sold down the river for a similar price if these were at stake.

At least dogs make a good show of it, Cats leave zero doubts about who’s #1 (not you).

#89 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 11.07.19 at 7:45 pm

Little Greta was encouraged by Canadians to dis Canadians because our culture of diversity encourages folks to disregard Canadians as shown on paid for public service ads by the Canada. A Canadian “Greta” would never show up on Swedish soil and dis Sweden. Canadians are caring and courteous to other peoples but the same respect is absent in and for their own country.

#90 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 7:53 pm

@#79 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 7:21 pm

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Anecdotal yes, but the Toronto mils I know and work with do really well for themselves and aren’t complainers. They are quite aware they won’t be owning Toronto real estate anytime soon but buying up country houses in places like prince edward county and the kawarthas. All in all a pretty hard working happy bunch

#91 MF on 11.07.19 at 7:58 pm

#79 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 7:21 pm

Yeah thanks for speaking for all of us “urban” millennials IH.

Tons of us doing quite well here. You just don’t hear from us.

You know the world is not so cut and dry. Let’s try not to create some divide that doesn’t exist.

MF

#92 MF on 11.07.19 at 8:11 pm

Never heard the phrase and don’t care.

Us mils and boomers should team up against the real enemy: Gen x.

Gen x squeezed in before 2008 and got the good jobs. They bought the houses in 2003 when interest rates represented reality like house prices. They are the most horny for re of them all. They believe they are all little re moguls. They are the most delusional of them all.

MF

#93 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:13 pm

#48 Yukon Elvis on 11.07.19 at 5:46 pm
#28 TalkingPie on 11.07.19 at 4:55 pm
The most damning charge against Boomers: they birthed and raised millennials.
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Yup. We spoiled the little brats.
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As the oldest of the boomers, I raised GenXers and they were not spoiled. I put them to work at age 9 and 10. They earned their own spending money and at ages 15 and 16 were earning enough to buy their own clothing and cover their other expenses including their vehicles. I paid half the cost of their post grad expenes. They earned the other half during summer holidays. They were taught that there was no “free lunch”. They were taught investing and made their first loans from the bank at age 15 and 16 and invested in RSP’s since this was a way to force them to save the money they were earning at their after school jobs and summer jobs. They graduated from high school when we were in a serious recession and I suggested they first go to Tech School and get training in the area where their greatest strength lay. Neither went to university. Today, they are both very successful businessmen, own their own business and are financially independant.

#94 n1tro on 11.07.19 at 8:15 pm

#119 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 3:13 pm
@nirto and Last…not 1st.

Sad.
11,000 scientists are wrong
Anonymous internet “experts” are right…
The planet is saved!
I feel better now.
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11,000?! That’s a lot!!! I’m sold. Forget about how many scientists were asked or read the article but let’s just focus on the ones who concurred.

Is the 11,000 number something like the “97% of all scientist believe climate change is man made” that was being passed around as an undisputable “fact” just awhile back because it came from NASA?

Past the Peak debunked the 97% of scientist bit a few months back using NASA’s own data that was deliberately not talked about. The below is from that post…

“To summarize the outcome from this study in 2013 from above:
– 66.4% => NO OPINION expressed one way or other
– 32.6% endorsed AGW
– 0.7% rejected AGW
– 0.3% were uncertain

32.6% / 33.6% = 97%!! [of the 33.6% of papers that expressed an opinion, where 66.4% had none]. These are of course only in the narrow field of climate science – it doesn’t capture the views of physicists, geologists, etc.

It is not based on questions answered in a survey (‘do you agree that climate change is real, here, and the greatest threat to mankind’…). It does not cover “all scientists” as the media and Barack would have you believe.”

To be fair, I only have a science undergrad so what do I know. What I do know is that +11,000 is less than +15,000.

Why is +15,000 important to the conversation??

Just 2 years ago, the same scientist pumped a 25yr old article published in a 1992 paper was warning of dire results from “global warming” and at that time there were over 15,000 signatures from 184 different countries.

25 years later and coastlines aren’t underwater as predicted among other things. Interesting that less scientists from less countries seem to concur with climate change now than from 25 yrs back when it was called global warming.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/15000-scientists-warning-to-humanity-1.4395767

#95 akashic record on 11.07.19 at 8:18 pm

A Boomer is a Boomer. Globalist or deplorable, still a Boomer. OK?

#96 JohnnyAB on 11.07.19 at 8:22 pm

Why are we even discussing it if the young people don’t give a damn about politics and what happens in their own country? Most of my colleagues at work same age as me (35) won’t even know what to say when asked what do they think about one or another political party. Not to say that they don’t know who to vote for. Seems pretty unreal? But it is, less and less young people give a damn about politics, but they shure care a lot about their facebook and instagram accounts… new reality.

#97 TC on 11.07.19 at 8:26 pm

Wow Garth……………..what a post. As far as this Boomer is concerned……………….I really don’t care about any of y’all or your made-up trendie world mainstream narrative issues or problems. Just keep showing me the money Mr. Trump. That’s all that matters in the end no matter how screwed up people think this world is! It really isn’t! In an unrelated note, it’s not the law to have to recycle…………just have your municipality DIG A DEEPER HOLE to get rid of your garbage. Problem solved.

#98 Flop... on 11.07.19 at 8:29 pm

O.k, so I was looking back to around the time the GAP Code originated and around that time Boom and I were talking and he wrote this post.

I got a couple of things wrong in my previous post, but what else is new?

If you look at the last sentence it is something that Trackie has been banging on about on here for Millennials that are stressed/stretched too much in the GTA…

M45BC
M64WI

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#145 Retired Boomer WI on 12.26.15 at 9:21 pm
#136 For Those About to Flop

Hi There, Flop,

I grew up in a wee town (1248 people) about 45 miles southwest of Milwaukee called Williams Bay, WI.
It is situated on the shore of Lake Geneva a great fishing & boating lake. The area claim to fame was, and IS the lake. These days the lake frontage at around $1,000-1700 a foot is quite pricey for frontage, but demand (lust rules). Once away from the lake prices drop, but are still high.
People then as now commute to someplace else to earn their daily bread. Be that Milwaukee, Chicago, Beloit or Janesville envisions.
I lived in Milwaukee briefly (a year) from late 69 to late 70. I found it decently fun. Today, not so much. There has been a good deal of manufacturing job loss from those days, not much high tech replacement. Some medical though, but not enough to compensate.
During my career, I traveled to the Milwaukee area regularly, the outskirts are thriving the city greatly hollowed out. They do have a great lake front, museums, Zoo, etc. to show. Nothing you wouldn’t find in Chicago.

I have not stopped in the city itself in the last few years, no reason.

If you enjoyed St. Louis, you would also enjoy Minneapolis-St. Paul, Milwaukee, Chicago, even Detroit and Cleveland. Having been to each of those cities on a regular basis over the last few decades each has similar attributes, and problems. All declining manufacturing centers, some have weathered and re-invented themselves better than others.

Today, I live about 170 miles northwest of Williams Bay near La Crosse WI in an even smaller town! (508)
That’s a choice, after having lived in big cities like Detroit , Buffalo, and Madison, WI.

I’ve found the earning potential similar, the true costs of living almost 40% less. The math made it easy to choose.

#99 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:29 pm

#41 Boomer crusher

At least the millennials will have that excuse when they dump their boomer parents in the retirement home: “You parked me in a kindergarten when I was a kid, now I’m parking you here pops.”
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This makes no sense whatsover. Give your head a shake.

#100 Cottingham a bargain on 11.07.19 at 8:30 pm

Watching hot property tonight on cp24 with al Sinclair and the whole cabal of shysters I will say one thing in favor of financial assets over RE.

It’s amazing how many naive , ill informed and complete idiot callers calling in to the show with the most basic of questions all looking to invest in real estate . Must be like catching fish in barrel for these con artists .

Financial markets are up more than RE over past 10 years and people can’t wait to sell or sit on the sidelines forever in cash lol

I guess it’s another reason why I prefer RE over financial assets … can’t beat the tailwind.

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 8:41 pm

Old Crow, Yukon Territory deals with climate change…..

https://aptnnews.ca/2019/10/23/residents-of-old-crow-in-the-yukon-have-front-row-seat-to-climate-change/

#102 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 8:48 pm

#90 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 7:53 pm
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#91 MF on 11.07.19 at 7:58 pm
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Yep, anecdotal. If the Mils you guys know in the metros are happy renting, that’s cool with me.

Fact is though, some of Mils ARE obviously complaining very loudly about how much housing costs, and how tough the job market is. These are the folks I am talking about, and you’ll have a tough time making a case for those voices originating from the smaller centres.

The Mils local to me probably never heard of a foreign buyers tax or #don’thave1million. I’ll bet the Mils in YVR are pretty well acquainted…

Perception plays a role too, maybe the bar is getting pushed down. I know a young Mil who works in the GTA, works hard, makes a regular wage, 1 hour commute each way to work, no house, no wife, no kids, no fun – totally happy from what I can see. From my point of view, that sucks, and he’s headed for major trouble down the road (no assets, no savings). But he seems content (for now).

#103 Outsource you’re self to find cheaper digs! on 11.07.19 at 9:04 pm

Baby boomers born between 1946 to 1964 are now 54 to 72 years of age. Most built there wealth on the three legged stool a pension plan form an employer, there RSP savings, and CPP. What did they do to secure these things. Unionized and took on corporate corruption by striking there employers to fight for pension rights and benefits. Seniority ment last in first out. Job security was earned. This is what many boomers stood for, right wrong or indifferent. Generation X born between 1965 to 1980 are 38years old to 53 years old. What did they do to secure there future, ride on the boomers coat tails then decided to buy into the free market economy where everyone can be a millionaire so they’ve adopted to the changing business outsourcing paradigm. Started being part of the investment class. Some have security depending on the business they worked in and some are carnage of Globalization. Now relying on wealth created on investment skills. Some have a defined benefits, some have work skills to sell because of job experience. Some have nice portfolios. Things changed. Not necessarily for the better. Millinnials born between 1981 to 1996, age 22 to 37 entered the job markets after earning higher educations. Then just about the time outsourcing was destroying the union jobs that have been sold out by corrupted business practices that now give way to financial money market economy. Selling away your jobs to the cheapest bidder or through technology improvements. That’s why your here, you now know you’re screwed. So it’s the dregs of what’s left you’re getting stuck with.

Keep in mind being as smart as you are most Millinnials would be happy sitting on a seniority lists waiting your turn to earn a promotion to get to the top this isn’t you’re style. You know better. So now you’ve got Higher house prices, higher stock prices, higher job insecurity. The good news is you’re all about what’s in it for me….me, me. So what do you stand for? This isn’t the Boomers legacy they left you, because they fought for what they stood for. Nobody worried about a standard of living in retirement it was a given. There where standards. Today there’s no standards. There use to be a price to pay for exchange of labour. Who would of worked for a scab outfit that didn’t pay you a decent living wage or pension benefits. No boomer worth there salt, if the truth be known. So nobody wished they didn’t have a pension, it was all part of working. But then again, we stuck together an organized.

You want a better life, organize and demand a higher standard. Do what Trump’s doing fight to get work back that’s been given away to cheep labour in foreign countries. Can afford to live in big cities, immigrate to rural areas where wages buy more. Stop paying high prices for houses , stocks, the very hoax that has you convinced prices go up forever. They, do until the same way they get bought up they get sold off.

Oh…BTW, forget thinking Globalism is the cure for a better life, Britain doesn’t want to allow Belgium to tell
Downing Street how to run its country. That’s why they want to exit, nor do they want to share the E.U’s debt. If Britain, and the U.S are proponents of Nationalism maybe this is the catalyst we need to strengthen unity here in Canada. There’s a reason, there’s so many disgruntled millennials.

#104 Flop... on 11.07.19 at 9:04 pm

Here is a solid post from Garth Turner from around the the same time in late 2015.

What is the job of Generation X amongst all the morass?

Could it simply be to reach up to the young Millennials with their heads in the clouds, and pull them back down to earth, then stoop down to the ageing Boomers and raise them back upright so these two heavyweights can see eye to eye?

Either that or just bang their heads together…

M45BC

“On one side are the oxygen-sucking geezers and wrinklies, those Boomers aging by the minute who have lived through boom, bust, 20% interest rates, inflation and 2008. On the other are the hordes of moist Millennials, now outnumbering the fossils, who think rates cannot rise, houses always will, their parents blow and Justin will fix the rest. The conflict’s inevitable, but reminiscent of when 1960s-era hippies thought they heralded a new age of politics, tolerance and permissiveness. Then they grew up.

People my age (I barely have a pulse, but an astonishing tush) don’t understand a lot of the moaning heard from the kids who, after all, have youth. What greater asset is there? The moist ones, for their part, want what their elders possess – houses, jobs and boring, predictable lives replete with children and mortgages. Plus weed. (Not going there.)

Meanwhile society is growing a heightened level of risk that the dinosaurs sniff but their children do not. This blog spends a lot of time on real estate, because that’s where the chasm is most evident, with danger building the fastest. When wages and employment are falling, and debt rising, where’s the justification for double-digit gains in house values? Weekly this site trots out the latest stats about over-extended Millennials (with 500% debt-to-income ratios), large swaths of families living paycheque-to-paycheque and the piteous state of investing for most families.

JT modified The whole T2 phenom, for the Boomers, embodies the unreality of our times. ‘Taxing the rich’ to give a tax break to the many turned out to be as idiotic an idea as it sounded. Now that $8-per-week break will come via more than a billion in new debt, and do nothing to improve anyone’s life while whipping higher-income earners into a new fit of tax avoidance.

It’s hard to imagine that with a boatload of spending promises and deficits over the next four years we won’t get a higher HST, a war on incorporations, more ruthless revenue cops, enhanced CPP premiums and elevated payroll taxes. I hear there’s even talk at the Department of Finance of a wealth levy, plus a project being done on the merits of an inheritance tax. (Surprise, kids!)

The last Con government of tax-cutting grinches and bullies added $170 billion in debt over eight years. Now we have a new tax-and-spend crew who openly embrace deficits, plus voters who believe their lives will get better because someone else’s ox will be gored. It’s a recipe for more conflict and, probably, failure.

Against that backdrop, this pathetic blog makes a promise.

Every day but Sunday (which is for riding) you can come here for free opinion and guidance on investing, real estate, macroeconomics, tax avoidance and hot marital advice. Money’s agnostic. It doesn’t care if you’re old and decaying or young and fecund. Almost everybody needs help at a time when so many have swallowed a risky one-asset strategy, debt has become mainstream and financial illiteracy binds the nation. We’re not on a sustainable path. No change in government will change the laws of economics. No leader, however charismatic, will revive oil, plump the dollar, give you money or a house.

You’re on your own. Wrinklie or moister. The only salvation is this blog. Resistance is futile.”

#105 Yukon Elvis on 11.07.19 at 9:11 pm

#93 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:13 pm
#48 Yukon Elvis on 11.07.19 at 5:46 pm
#28 TalkingPie on 11.07.19 at 4:55 pm
The most damning charge against Boomers: they birthed and raised millennials.
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Yup. We spoiled the little brats.
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As the oldest of the boomers, I raised GenXers and they were not spoiled. I put them to work at age 9 and 10. They earned their own spending money and at ages 15 and 16 were earning enough to buy their own clothing and cover their other expenses including their vehicles. I paid half the cost of their post grad expenes. They earned the other half during summer holidays. They were taught that there was no “free lunch”. They were taught investing and made their first loans from the bank at age 15 and 16 and invested in RSP’s since this was a way to force them to save the money they were earning at their after school jobs and summer jobs. They graduated from high school when we were in a serious recession and I suggested they first go to Tech School and get training in the area where their greatest strength lay. Neither went to university. Today, they are both very successful businessmen, own their own business and are financially independant.
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My hat is off to you Ronaldo. A lot of us did not have the wisdom or the fortitude to do what you accomplished.

#106 DON on 11.07.19 at 9:15 pm

OK Boomer, ha ha ha was wondering when that would hit Greaterfool but first, remember the extreme end of the World thinking…’pot heads all over the road/place’.

“POT Legalization brings minimal spike in impaired charges…

The overarching message is that people who are going to drive impaired will continue with that behaviour.

Looking at it the situation another way, Halskov said if someone is a non-drinker, it doesn’t mean that they will start drinking just because it’s legal.” Rick Stiebel Black Press News.

OK Boomer and OH Millennial.

Stupidity and ignorance exists in every generation.

I identify more with like minded folks than any age group bullsh#t.

But it is funny to be in the middle watching both interact and having to almost translate for them. Their is a happy balance between theoretical and practical experience. Take project management theories all best practices and little on what really goes on. It assumes competent people are running the ship. As for every discipline having a one year Masters degree…just a little over board. Why don’t they teach you MBA stuff in 4 years of business school, what didn’t they teach you in the first four years. Money grab. Profit in education. A one year intensive course and you come out with an intellectual epiphany and high productivity. BULL CRAPPOLA. Nothing replaces a person who has both experience, and some type of education in their field.

Better off taking a PHD in Human Nature, so you can make some money off the herd.

Some boomers with good pensions are retiring with big house debt and there are some Millennials complaining they don’t have that opportunity?

At least this will be entertaining. Repeat of the 70s? Wonder who will play the new age version of Archie Bunker and Meat Head?

#107 Doug t on 11.07.19 at 9:17 pm

The meaning of life is just to be alive. It is so plain and so obvious and so simple. And yet, everybody rushes around in a great panic as if it were necessary to achieve something beyond themselves.

Alan Watts

#108 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 9:17 pm

#94 Flop… on 11.07.19 at 8:29 pm

…If you look at the last sentence it is something that Trackie has been banging on about on here for Millennials that are stressed/stretched too much in the GTA…

“Today, I live about 170 miles northwest of Williams Bay near La Crosse WI in an even smaller town! (508)
That’s a choice, after having lived in big cities like Detroit , Buffalo, and Madison, WI.

I’ve found the earning potential similar, the true costs of living almost 40% less. The math made it easy to choose.”
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Boom had things figured out. Interestingly, the little hamlet where the IHCTD9 bunker complex is hidden away also boasts a population of about 500.

#109 Shawn Allen on 11.07.19 at 9:23 pm

#73 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 7:13 pm
#6 Shawn Allen

This may be of interest to you altough it is concerning USA boomers. I suspect our situation in Canada is not any better.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/are-we-baby-boomer-retirement-crisis.asp

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Right, and thanks for the response, the link shows many Baby boomers heading into retirement with little.

The dispersion of wealth at retirement age is of course very wide. Far wider than intelligence.

There is basically no “we” in economics. In good times and bad times those who know how to win do so. It’s harder in the bad times but can be done.

I graduated engineering in 1984. Halifax. Mechanical. There was I think 80 or more in my graduating class and similar numbers in the other disciplines. Very very few got jobs right out of school.

I worked a few months for a family friend. Then found a job that lasted 14 months. Then headed to Toronto to look for work and found none. I did see one and only one “help wanted” sign in a store. I had not seen such a thing in years. Had started MBA part-time in Halifax. Guy in the class gave me a temporary job doing computer work at Nova Scotia Power. They were not hiring permanent. Finally, three years later in 1989 got a job in Edmonton and moved across the country away from all my family. You do what you have to do. Net worth at that point about zero and age 29. Started then to plan for retirement by age 55. Retired on 55th birthday. Yes thank you DB but only had 26 years in the plan. Retirement would not be possible without a side business and disciplined investment for years. Thank you RRSP and Mr. Market and Mr. Buffett.

#110 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 9:26 pm

@#92 MF on 11.07.19 at 8:11 pm
Never heard the phrase and don’t care.

Us mils and boomers should team up against the real enemy: Gen x.

Gen x squeezed in before 2008 and got the good jobs. They bought the houses in 2003 when interest rates represented reality like house prices. They are the most horny for re of them all. They believe they are all little re moguls. They are the most delusional of them all.

MF
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Yeah thanks for speaking for all of us “gen X” moguls MF.

Not all us are house horny or delusional. You just don’t hear from us.

You know the world is not so cut and dry. Let’s try not to create some divide that doesn’t exist. :)

#111 DON on 11.07.19 at 9:36 pm

@ MF

Hey man, gents like IH, Crowded and Nonplused speak from experience and knowledge.

Yes, they go off base as do we all, but I wouldn’t discount everything they are saying or try.

Nonplused is logical to a fault, an engineer with a business background (MBA/Econ) and experience to boot (from what I can tell). We can agree to disagree on Wexit> which I take more as We-exit not West-exit.

One thing that is common to all these guys and the rest of the commentators on this blog including you, is we all ascribe to the lost art of ‘common sense’. Listening is the hardest art of all.

Cheers,

#112 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 9:41 pm

@#102 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 8:48 pm

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meh, not what i’m seeing.
Like I said, they’re making good money, enjoying life in the city and starting families. Also own some damn nice properties out in the hinterland. making good $$$ airBnBing them when theyre not around.

I not going to pontificate about mils out your way.
pros and cons no matter where you live.

#113 Shawn Allen on 11.07.19 at 9:45 pm

Alberta wind power

Third random check…

Wow wind at this moment running 61% of installed capacity. I’m impressed. I have seen it certainly as low as 15% at times in the past.

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

I guess wind power has it merits. Should have known given that Buffett has invested heavy in it. Albeit mostly for the tax credits in the U.S.

Rule Number 1: Always assume that Buffett is correct.

#114 Linda on 11.07.19 at 9:46 pm

Love the dog picture of the day – so sweet but with a visual clue that cute little pup may one day be possessed of that hefty paw of power:)

Age vs. youth or vice versa is a recurrent theme throughout history. However the speed of change exacerbates the friction. In today’s immediate & make it snappy world, having to wait years to move up the corporate ladder, buy a house, have it all etc. has been portrayed as inhumane & cruel treatment of all those who don’t have the job/house/whatever it is they want. Plus the education requirements reflect the price of bubbly housing – out of control, insane & unreasonable. Case in point: a coworker retired. Her education was high school with some accounting courses, no degree whatsoever. The person they hired to replace had five (5) separate certifications/degrees, two of which were accounting degrees. Only one problem. The person involved felt that all the hard work they had done to obtain all those certifications/degrees meant that they didn’t actually have to work upon graduation. Their thought was that someone else – an ‘assistant’ would perform all the duties of the position. Well their fantasy soon was crushed by reality & within a year, redundancy. Ran into the former coworker a few months after. Quickly became apparent they didn’t accept that lack of performance was why they were let go.

Point being, those who succeed don’t sit around waiting for a fairy godmother to wave the magic wand. They work to create the world they want.

#115 ImGonnaBeSick on 11.07.19 at 9:47 pm

Sounds like a big generational-wide temper tantrum to me… You used to rebel in your teens, in your parent’s kitchen when they wouldn’t let your girlfriend stay the night or give you the keys on Friday nights… Now we have a whole generation embarrassing itself on social media, in front of the world, recorded forever… Man, millenials are dumb…

#116 DON on 11.07.19 at 9:49 pm

Hey Garth,

From the Times Colonist (didn’t make the front 3 pages of 5 page paper). Low inventory keeps real estate climbing. The Greater Victoria Area:

September 2019: 619 sales
October 2019: 621 sales (3.5% improvement from last year)

Where are all the fore sales signs. My friend’s wife who is realtor says things are slowish. The mean sales price for a single family is up about 9K to $757,700.

#117 NoName on 11.07.19 at 9:51 pm

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.07.19 at 8:41 pm
Old Crow, Yukon Territory deals with climate change…..

https://aptnnews.ca/2019/10/23/residents-of-old-crow-in-the-yukon-have-front-row-seat-to-climate-change/

Keep trolling… but quality of your posts is dwindling, why you that to your self?

I read that article, funniest part is permafrost is melting trees are falling in water.

#118 Stone on 11.07.19 at 9:52 pm

How can so few people possess so much while most go wanting?

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Well, some people are smart. As for the rest, well, stupidity must be punished.

#119 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 10:08 pm

#93 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:13 pm

As the oldest of the boomers, I raised GenXers and they were not spoiled. I put them to work at age 9 and 10. They earned their own spending money and at ages 15 and 16 were earning enough to buy their own clothing and cover their other expenses including their vehicles. I paid half the cost of their post grad expenes. They earned the other half during summer holidays. They were taught that there was no “free lunch”. They were taught investing and made their first loans from the bank at age 15 and 16 and invested in RSP’s since this was a way to force them to save the money they were earning at their after school jobs and summer jobs. They graduated from high school when we were in a serious recession and I suggested they first go to Tech School and get training in the area where their greatest strength lay. Neither went to university. Today, they are both very successful businessmen, own their own business and are financially independant.

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You must be around the same age as my Dad, he’s right at the tail end of the silent Gen. You tell a tale that reflects my childhood with scary accuracy. Chores starting in grade school, on the throttle end of a chainsaw at 14, first jobs at 15 mowing lawns, shovelling $h!t out of chicken barns, haying, and chicken catching. Paid for my first car at 15, and had it fixed up and on the road by 16, parents did help with half the insurance. Did post secondary via OSAP, paid it off in about 2 years after grad.

Parents did not teach me about investing, I can thank Ms. IH for that. What I did get was an attitude that if you need to get something done, you do it yourself, and there really was no limit to the scope of that idea back then. I learned what to farm out as I got older and wiser.

My “get hands dirty” boomeresque upbringing has paid dividends in swapping cheque writing for sweat equity on the home front. Tens of thousands not spent over a couple decades. Not too glamorous, but still beats sitting on the couch watching Netflix.

#120 tccontrarian on 11.07.19 at 10:11 pm

When things get too crazy and life gets too complicated to understand, I click on YouTube and take a short walk with the angels among us. Boomers, Millenials, Gen-X, Gen-Z etc melt away into oneness – Humanity:

https://youtu.be/40ViXD9ziZU

tcc

#121 Millennial Realist on 11.07.19 at 10:20 pm

Ok Boomer

Be part of the change.

Or be run over by it.

(You’re welcome, Mr Turner)

#122 Millennial Realist on 11.07.19 at 10:33 pm

Far too many Boomers will regret, far too late, that they did not do anything to make the world better, safer and more fair, when they were at the controls.

The Boomer legacy has meant such debasement of our planet and society that we now will have little time for politeness and kindness as the Paleos enter their final years. We now have much bigger things to deal with.

But they can continue to rant for a few more years.

Born on third base, convinced they hit a triple.

Ok Boomer.

#123 Keep Hope Alive! on 11.07.19 at 10:35 pm

NYT is reporting that Mike Bloomberg will file papers on Friday to qualify for the Alabama primary, keeping open a possible run for President as a Democrat.

FINALLY!

Would love to see an actual billionaire business person, with experience running one of the world’s great cities challenge the narcissist 6 year old who holds the office now.

It will be interesting to see the tangerine despot’s twitter feed tomorrow when it happens.

I am hopeful the next president will be an adult who is capable of reading and writing books, without pictures.

OK Boomer Bloomberg (technically just outside the boomer generation) – go get em!

#124 SWL on 11.07.19 at 10:48 pm

Great post Garth. You get it

#125 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 10:50 pm

#92 MF on 11.07.19 at 8:11 pm
Never heard the phrase and don’t care.

Us mils and boomers should team up against the real enemy: Gen x.

Gen x squeezed in before 2008 and got the good jobs. They bought the houses in 2003 when interest rates represented reality like house prices. They are the most horny for re of them all. They believe they are all little re moguls. They are the most delusional of them all.

MF

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Yeah, thanks for speaking for all of us “delusional re mogul” Gen X’ers MF

(Sorry, you left the door wide open!).

Early Gen X’ers did indeed have lucky timing though, good house prices just as rates were about to go down and RE values up.

Yeah, a lot of us got decent jobs, but the 90’s weren’t a jobs bonanza by any stretch, and a crapload of us lost what were solid career positions by the time the gfc hit (me included). I started my career job at $11.00/hr btw, then I had to start over from scratch in 2010 after my employer went broke in the wake the crash. I made less in 2013, than I did in 2008. So not all wine and roses, maybe not much different overall than the boomers or the Mils when everything is put on the table together.

#126 Two-thirds on 11.07.19 at 10:54 pm

It is true that current generations lack certain benefits and privileges that the ones before had (and accumulated over time).

However, while most focus on what they do not have now, what about considering what current humans have that previous generations either did not or were restricted to the 1% of their time.

A few examples, in no particular order:

– Computational power that allows solutions to problems and productivity that achieves in seconds what took people hours or days to do. Work was bleak when relying on calculators and hand-drawn diagrams, type-written documents, etc. People had employment for life because getting anything done took a lifetime! (through no fault of their own)

– Instant access to virtually any information, services, entertainment, goods and services (even 7-eleven slurpees) delivered at the touch of a button, all in our pocket. For education, work, or personal life, finding things out or reaching them took so much more time and effort, having to travel to and fro, shuffle papers, books, searching, handling physical things, to get something or find something. A web search to find an answer vs. accessing an encyclopaedia at a public library, and locating the page where information could be found, for only one source: hours! Businesses, services, government, accessible only at certain times, in certain places, etc. I know some reading this are unable to even comprehend what I wrote (hint: say “Hey Google, what is an encyclopaedia” and check out how they were used) but this was the reality 20 years ago.

– Accessible travel for (almost) all, safe transit across most countries, for business or pleasure. How many generations never left their province or country or birth in their lifetime, and how many of the most recent ones did so only in the past couple of decades? Going out of country used to be dangerous, expensive, and fraught with difficulty and inconvenience (cash-only, non-English, papers, maps, no weed, etc.) so even if some could afford it, most could/did not, and were the poorer for it.

– Books, music, television, for any taste, anytime, anywhere, for free or little cost. Entertainment used to require work to be had, the selection was pitiful, and things were expensive! Collections consumed fortunes and required vast space, and could not be accessed easily. Ignorance of what was written, viewed, or listened to in other places or other languages was the rule and missing out on broadcasts was common (or took crazy effort to avoid). No on-demand, unlimited, webcastings, no digital media, no web.

– Computers, televisions, videogames, cameras with resolutions that now look better than real life. Learning, playing, working, capturing memories, is 1000% simpler more enjoyable and cheaper than even 10 years ago. My first digital camera had a ~1 megapixel resolution and cost $800 CAD, but it allowed me to take hundreds of pictures and see them instantly! It was huge and ate batteries like candy, but it was infinitely more practical than film and allowed the images to be used in ways never possible before! 4K resolution? What about 0.4K and 10 channels? Nintendo 64?

– Cars that are affordable, infinitely safer, faster, quieter, and more comfortable than at any time in history. Cars no longer kill us in collisions and can go farther, on less fuel than ever before, and now can even cost pennies to charge and have zero direct emissions. They bring freedom of movement, quality of life, and independence that nobody could have imagined before, and may one day even drive themselves, costing pennies, allowing people more freedom to do what they want with their time.

– Communications with everyone, everywhere, almost anywhere, for zero or low cost. Videocalls allow us to see those dear to us, live, from anywhere, documents can be exchanged in fractions of a second, or downloaded with a push of a finger. Work and personal life is simpler, faster and much less frustrating thanks to this convenience.

– Political protections and social benefits that previous generations never had. Those who fell ill, lost a job, had different identities than the rest, were out of luck before and on their own, whereas now, funds and programs are available, as well as laws and regulations that protect them/us. Whether affordable or not, governments now take care of citizens in previously unimaginable ways, and we still want more.

– Freedom and prosperity. Whether compared with the past or with other parts of the world, Canada is blessed and privileged in the grand scheme of things. Our entire political class’ failings notwithstanding, and the multiple fractures in our nation and values, billions still can only dream about having what we have and living like we do.

– Healthcare technology that cures or manages conditions that caused death and damage before, often irreversibly, to all people. Access to health services that is fair, taxpayer subsidized and universal (in Canada) was not always the case, and the vast majority of people are better off for it than ever before.

Ironically enough, all of this could not have been possible without oil, gas, mining, heavy industry, industrial agrifood operations, animal testing, wars won, debt and savings, you name it, but that is not my point.

My point is that how many of the okay-boomer-calling crowd would like to have traded births with boomers, to have what they have now, but having to go through what they experienced, and critically, what they did without?

Hindsight is always 20/20, as the saying goes, but I wonder if those pointing the finger would have made drastically different choices than their fore-bearers, had they lived the latter’s lives and times?

How many would trade the “broken world” they now inhabit, built on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the past, for the “boomer world” that brought us to this point?

As some of us don poppies, I am reminded of the sacrifices and many crappy decades that those before us lived through, and am saddened by how few red spots on coats are seen on campuses, in the subway, on the street. Makes sense now.

Lest we forget. Have we?

#127 Steven Rowlandson on 11.07.19 at 11:05 pm

Alas the mouse Utopia Experiment has been made real!
You are all doomed! Want some cheese?

https://youtu.be/NgGLFozNM2o

#128 Stats Can on 11.07.19 at 11:54 pm

Don’t forget that life expectancy has gone up by almost 20 years in the last 50.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/82-229-x/2009001/demo/lif-eng.htm

That on it’s own creates a huge problem for the next generation waiting for jobs, houses, opportunity. Not to mention the impact on pension calculation.

Are expectations going change? Seems unlikely.

#129 DON on 11.08.19 at 12:19 am

#99 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:29 pm

#41 Boomer crusher

At least the millennials will have that excuse when they dump their boomer parents in the retirement home: “You parked me in a kindergarten when I was a kid, now I’m parking you here pops.”
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This makes no sense whatsover. Give your head a shake.

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Scary isn’t it! Your instructions should have included when to stop shaking.

#130 DON on 11.08.19 at 1:01 am

#72 Wolf23 on 11.07.19 at 7:08 pm

Millenial here.

Lets talk about my Boomer Director.

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At every instance you can, play Midnight Oil and Twisted Sister at your desk. It’s like a dog whistle for these idiots and I say that kindly.

On a more serious note, learn the art of avoidance. Avoid where and when possible, plan ahead if need be. Once a bully is isolated they become there own worst enemy and sooner or later their peers and superiors see it. Its been documented in a research study in the US and released in the last couple of weeks. Can’t remember if Yale, Harvard, or Wharton School of Business.

Also apply the art of war, play everything strategically, calm that urge to finger point and say ‘Take this job and shove it’. Read the art of war, document everything and good hunting. And don’t believe the shit of an idiot. To start every morning play funky town. Also look to transfer etc. if it gets unbearable but chances are forced retirement is just around the corner.

#131 n1tro on 11.08.19 at 1:43 am

Hey Crowded…

Mickey Mouse and Albus Dumbledore are well known in their fields but as climate experts? Not so much. 10,998 scientists still good.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6138812/mickey-mouse-global-climate-emergency-letter/

#132 Nonplused on 11.08.19 at 1:51 am

I don’t mean to throw gas on the fire but this is worth a chuckle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpE1Pa8vvI

It is safe for work. Unless you work with millennials. Then no.

#133 RWZM on 11.08.19 at 2:49 am

“it’s a generational attempt to go backwards in time to a homogenous era when a man could afford a house, wife, family and cottage on one wage”

Sounds great.

#134 Jenny Wang on 11.08.19 at 3:43 am

It took a lot of struggle to get Boomers where they are. It only takes Generation Screwed one bad choice if politician to screw their lives forever. Mills hate Boomers because they seem to have so much, but Trudeau is screwing Milks so fast they’ll be screwed for their entire lives. By stripping opportunity and profit from society the Mills guarantee their own eternal misery.

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/gwyn-morgan-liberals-sending-debt-into-hyperdrive-and-generation-screwed-will-end-up-paying-for-it

#135 Jenny Wang on 11.08.19 at 6:35 am

Democrats, Globalists and Liberals can’t seem to kill the economy. Hating Trump just isn’t enough to quell the animal spirits. What will be the first thing out of Trudeaus mouth after surfing limp baby waves in stoner land?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/07/bond-yields-are-surging-and-the-scary-recession-warning-everyone-was-talking-about-has-gone-away.html

#136 maxx on 11.08.19 at 6:49 am

@ #13 JacqueShellacque

As #6 Shawn Allen stated perfectly:

“Many, but not all, Millennials, while standing on the shoulders of Boomers and all previous generations, even still living with Mom and Dad complain bitterly about Boomers.

…while mostly living in the lap of luxury.

Well in this life winners will continue to win and losers will continue to lose.”

That would clearly make you a winner.

Winners don’t spend their time spying over the fence, whining about what “the boomers” or anyone else has or has had. They play their own game. They have vision, determination and problem solve. They use their framework (that of Mils also has huge advantages as you so correctly point out) as a stepping stone to getting what they want.

Many self-made millionaires started with nothing and sometimes less than that, putting up with adversity that sometimes defies credibility.

The day whiners stop buying polluting technology at a rabid pace, synthetic fabric, prepackaged, non-organic food, designer goods they can’t afford and travel, all of which contribute greatly to the debt they are so unfairly “forced” to carry (not so green either, eh wot?) is the day the world will pay attention to their incessant braying. They are the easiest target for divisive, political forces…putty.

Plus que ça change……the day they get their mitts on what they desire they’ll become exactly what they despise.

“Money
It’s a hit
Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit” – Pink Floyd

Oh, sorry…boomer music.

Those who believe that when all of the boomers die off they’ll “get it all”, should think again. Most of “it” will overwhelmingly pass on to the children of 1%ers, the privileged and those, like JacqueShellacque who get their collective butts off of the sofa.

The rest will carry on whining in a same-old, same-old kind of world. Echoing with stale complaint.

Of their own making.

#137 akashic record on 11.08.19 at 7:23 am

CBC morning show host gets flu shot on live radio just now.

TikTok.

#138 Mishuko on 11.08.19 at 7:28 am

I’m a mellenial and have to say, blaming anyone else for your shortcomings is pathetic.

Ok boomer. Ok mellenial. Ok gen z.

We get it. Now get back to work. Suck it up or do something else.

#139 MF on 11.08.19 at 7:46 am

110 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 9:26
IH,

I was being facetious. Every generation is flawed. But…. you have to admit there are a lot of house horny Gen x that did buy around 2003 and believe they are some superstar!

MF

#140 Headhunter on 11.08.19 at 7:51 am

broken record time.. Boomers had it way easier and there is no comparison.. even with 18% interest rates as I’ve heard some spout.

“cradle to grave” employment vs the gig economy.. When I was a kid a summer job pumping gas could cover years University

Washing dishes at the “Crock & Block” part time I could afford my own car/gas/insurance… washing dishes.. after school

#141 TurnerNation on 11.08.19 at 8:17 am

Boomers vs Everyone!

Boomer vs Boomer. This thread posts a Star article, shortage of Long Term Care beds.
Wag commentators point out the government is allowing 20,000 oldster parentals into country each year; a reunifcation program.
I know someone they bought parent over from a country also with socialized medical care they;d payed into all their working lives. Now its OHIP’s problem.
Add to 40% net non tax payors?

https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/ds5be2/milton_woman_calls_for_more_longterm_care_beds/

#142 akashic record on 11.08.19 at 8:19 am

“it’s a generational attempt to go backwards in time to a homogenous era when a man could afford a house, wife, family and cottage on one wage”

Sounds great.

It does. Especially considering that all that was achieved without the explosion in productivity from technology.

It sounds so great that the only way to explain why it does not exist any longer is to paint it as if it never happened and even mentioning it accounts to some kind of deviant social behaviour, an existential threat to sacred globalism.

#143 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.08.19 at 8:26 am

@#Millenial Surrealist
“ok Boomer”
+++++

Very original. Will you beat that phrase to death like the most overuse word of the decade….”empowerment’?

@ n1tro
Re: Mickey Mouse and Dumbledorf
++++++
You know when fictional characters are worried about climate change…you deniers are in trouble…..

And just when we thought our choices in the last election were a disaster……. we have the new breed of politician.
Same as the old breed.
Seems the Scottish Seperatists will only join with the Labour/Communist Party if Corby agrees that Scotland can leave the union.
Or their other choice is Boris “the buffoon” Johnson.
Brexit Boris who will “damn the polls” leave the EU with a very angry divided population.
Brilliant, he’s probably a closet climate denier.
By Dec 13 all is clear as mud.
Scrooge was a scot who stole Christmas?
Riots in the UK by Christmas…… Brexit by Feb 2020?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-sturgeon/scottish-nationalists-float-labour-alliance-in-return-for-independence-vote-idUSKBN1XI1D9

#144 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.08.19 at 8:46 am

@#141 Turnernation
“I know someone they bought parent over from a country…”
++++

Old news and tip of the iceberg.
I had co-workers from South Africa. Both sets of elderly parents arrived.
The medical expenses started almost immediately.
Obesity, diabetes, heart operations, strokes , amputations, no room in elderly care so they stayed in the hospital intensive care for almost a year….hundreds of thousands of dollars and they never, ever contributed a dime into the system.
Its happening every day. All over Canada. The $y$tem is grinding to a halt.

#145 Remembrancer on 11.08.19 at 9:01 am

#88 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 7:41 pm
#69 Sail Away on 11.07.19 at 6:58 pm

At least dogs make a good show of it, Cats leave zero doubts about who’s #1 (not you).
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Yep.

Dogs have masters, cats have staff…
– Unknown…

#146 Mr Happy on 11.08.19 at 9:05 am

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#147 David Hawke on 11.08.19 at 9:12 am

#52 Yukon Elvis Spot-on!
#27 Curtis News flash, the MS-13 are a Los Angeles organization who are smart enough to leave us retired Boomers alone!

Life is good here on the beach in El Salvador!

#148 Ferdinand McMillan on 11.08.19 at 9:23 am

OK, who else called bullshit on the ” amazingly hard to believe” jobs numbers two weeks before the election of Prince Dorian? I know I certainly did. The hiring numbers were equivelant to an 800,000 leap in the US. There was no way. And now we know it was all bullshit.

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canada-loses-1800-jobs-in-october-unemployment-rate-holds-steady-at-5-5

They’re putting African politicians on trial in The Hague for shit like this. Why the lingering stink of Banana Republic in Canada?

#149 cmccullo on 11.08.19 at 9:43 am

Hi Garth, I’m going to post without reading the comments section – life is too short – thanks for this post. Insightful, covers a lot of difficult ground. We live in interesting times. I try and remember to reflect on what we do have, and to be grateful for it. I’m a GenX’r providing partial shelter to two grown millennials. I’ll keep my eyes open for dogs needing a billet.

#150 Moh on 11.08.19 at 9:44 am

Great post Garth. It’s funny you made the post after I was listening to my millennial family members complain that the economy is in ruin cause the of the boomers. I called “BS” when I heard this. As a millennial my success is because of the boomers and the opportunities they gave me.

#151 IHCTD9 on 11.08.19 at 9:49 am

#139 MF on 11.08.19 at 7:46 am
110 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 9:26
IH,

But…. you have to admit there are a lot of house horny Gen x that did buy around 2003 and believe they are some superstar!

MF
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I actually don’t – but I can totally see how they might exist out in YVR/GTA after their houses turned into million dollar profits…

That kind appreciation never happened out here – so no swelled heads!

#152 45north on 11.08.19 at 9:51 am

A tale of two civil servants

This tale came to mind after reading this news article:

Coroner blames Phoenix pay troubles in public servant’s suicide

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/coroner-blames-phoenix-pay-troubles-in-public-servants-suicide

The Tale:

I worked in the Federal Public Service for 40 years. I was Mike’s supervisor. Mike worked hard and had made a significant contribution. He rarely took sick days. Finally after 30 years, Mike retired with over 300 days of sick leave. For which he got nothing. I was also Ken’s supervisor. He took every sick day. For 25 years. Finally, he had used up all his sick days and was docked a few days pay.

#153 Dharma Bum on 11.08.19 at 9:52 am

Foolish whippersnappers.
Sucks to be young.
DB

B.A.
M.B.A.
Ret.

#154 SunShowers on 11.08.19 at 9:52 am

#75 SmarterSquirrel on 11.07.19 at 7:16 pm

There is a LOT more that needs to be considered than unemployment rate. You can’t just conclude based on that one single metric that one generation has it better than another, solely because the unemployment rate is lower. That’s just silly.

#155 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 9:54 am

This is what happens to people when they watch to much CNN and Trump bashing and listen to millennials whining about the boomers making their lives so terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM&feature=youtu.be&t=64

#156 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 10:11 am

#139 MF on 11.08.19 at 7:46 am
110 oh bouy on 11.07.19 at 9:26
IH,

I was being facetious. Every generation is flawed. But…. you have to admit there are a lot of house horny Gen x that did buy around 2003 and believe they are some superstar!
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And some like my sons who bought in mid 90’s and are superstars. They had a good teacher.

#157 Randy on 11.08.19 at 10:15 am

Our governments in Canada are becoming more Marxist everyday. There are about 20 Elite families in Canada that control who gets elected and where. They control the Media and the Education system.
(A better question is why are uninformed, dumb voters with zero critical thinking skills electing more Socialists ?)
Maybe someone should focus on the Bronfmans activities and their links to the Liberal Party of Canada, NXIVM, Clinton Foundation, SNC-Lavalin.

#158 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 10:22 am

#126 Two-Thirds

Well said. Great post.

#159 Sail Away on 11.08.19 at 10:27 am

#92 MF on 11.07.19 at 8:11 pm

Us mils and boomers should team up against the real enemy: Gen x.

Gen x squeezed in before 2008 and got the good jobs. They bought the houses in 2003 when interest rates represented reality like house prices. They are the most horny for re of them all. They believe they are all little re moguls. They are the most delusional of them all.

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Sshhhhh… we’re in the shadows watching the battle and plundering the spoils.

#160 Dups on 11.08.19 at 10:36 am

Same could be said for (height discrimination) Short people vs Tall people. Short people are held back from leadership positions within companies everyday sometimes even more than other discrimination.

In today’s age where brains matter more than physical size, height discrimination is a wide spread issue that effects us all no matter of what race or religion we are from. We are not caveman why do we only select taller leaders when they are not as smart as the next contender? Look at Trump, dumb as a bell, but tall…make him –>president…

Why does no one ever bring this up? Is our society so dumb to only look at visual appearance and not brains!

#161 the Jaguar on 11.08.19 at 10:36 am

Is ‘ok boomer’ the best they’ve got? Mercy. Sadly it fits with the rest of the ‘failure to launch’ characteristics so frequently on display.
The millennial angst is about more than financial issues and opportunity. Jealousy also plays a big part. While they deride boomers, they play our music and adopt our style in all manner and form. But they are on the outside looking in and they know it. Not all. Some ‘get it’ and are making their own success stories, but the one’s who would try to ‘score’ with something so lame as ‘o.k boomer’ expose themselves immediately as losers who can’t cut it. Go ahead and use this hollow expression all you want. It does nothing for your brand. But it does make it easier for boomers to identify the lazy and shiftless from the industrious and hardworking. As always, people vote with their feet and will distance themselves from the brutes, whatever their age. Let’s see how that plays out, o.k. mil?

#162 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 10:40 am

#122 Millennial Realist on 11.07.19 at 10:33 pm
Far too many Boomers will regret, far too late, that they did not do anything to make the world better, safer and more fair, when they were at the controls.

The Boomer legacy has meant such debasement of our planet and society that we now will have little time for politeness and kindness as the Paleos enter their final years. We now have much bigger things to deal with.

But they can continue to rant for a few more years.

Born on third base, convinced they hit a triple.

Ok Boomer.
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You come across as a bit of a loser. What have you done with your life that is so exceptional? You don’t sound like someone with much ambition. What are you doing yourself to make the world better, safer and more fair? You must have been quite a handful for your boomer parents. When did they finally get you out of the basement? Having a little tantrum now are we?

#163 Shawn Allen on 11.08.19 at 10:44 am

Labour Force SURVEY

#148 Ferdinand McMillan on 11.08.19 at 9:23 am said:

OK, who else called bullshit on the ” amazingly hard to believe” jobs numbers two weeks before the election of Prince Dorian? [Trudeau] I know I certainly did. The hiring numbers were equivelant to an 800,000 leap in the US. There was no way. And now we know it was all bullshit.

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The jobs report is a SURVEY subject to large statistical error (like up to plus or minus 28,000 jobs nationally 19 times out of 20) even if it is a random sample . But random samples are almost impossible to achieve so that introduces more error. And the then there is the problem and errors of people answering incorrectly or having a hard time answering.

Is a retired guy on pension who works part time as a handyman unemployed when he has no part time work? If a retired guy on pension has a little side-business is he in the labour force?

Then there is seasonal adjustment. That HAS to be doe. But it introduces more errors.

The point is the SURVEY is subject to fairly large inherent errors and so of course it jumps around month to month. It’s not bullshit, it’s just hard to measure.

Focus on the trend and year over year gains to get a better (but still flawed) picture.

#164 MF on 11.08.19 at 10:45 am

#156 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 10:11 am

This post is not aimed at anyone in particular, but I actually think no one who buys real estate is a real investor. People just have been catered to.

Real estate gains have been 98% unwarranted and based on manipulated interest rates. Nothing more. People who have done well are just subsidized.

MF

#165 Quintelian on 11.08.19 at 10:45 am

Garth I thought Voltaire and Malthus were pessimistic.

If I were to generalize about the boomers in my family and social circle, I would have to say that for the most part boomers are self-absorbed and intellectually lazy.

Some of them remind me of the foolish emperor with no close, and the rest of them remind me of the pitch man that sold him the special robe.

Talk about spoiled brats, the boomers were coddled, and spoiled by well-meaning generation that preceded them.

#166 waggily tail on 11.08.19 at 11:29 am

Governments regulate the herd, so this is their party. Blame them for anything wrong with society, not the average pedestrian. Governments, local or otherwise, permit, tax, regulate, and authorize all mass screw-ups. Without governments the average life span would be thirty, the global population would be half a billion, and the only debt we would owe is a few hours labour every week for the local warlord. You would be able to build a house anywhere, out of anything.

#167 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 11:52 am

#119 IHCTD9 on 11.07.19 at 10:08 pm
#93 Ronaldo on 11.07.19 at 8:13 pm

Yep IH, just a bit older than Garth and your story sounds much like my own as well only my father had passed away before I turned 9. Left my mother with 6 children under 16, I was second youngest.

Had to move off the farm and into the village and onto welfare. Mother took job in restaurant washing dishes and later waiting tables. Our crippled grandfather moved in with us and we all took turns caring for him and making meals since our mother was working afternoon shift.

We all got jobs except for the youngest who was 3. With us having jobs and earning enough to clothe ourselves and contribute to household expenses, she was able to get off welfare.

She met a gentleman 4 years after our father died who was recently divorced with 2 children, one close to my age and one younger. He was unemployed. She offered to have him move in with us along with his children.

Shortly after they purchased a house in a distant town and we all moved in together as one family. Being a carpenter, he was able to turn a 2 b.r. house into a seven bedroom house by converting the attic into 3 bedrooms and by digging out the basement (by hand) we created another bedroom and furnace room.

My mother and stepfather went on to buy, sell, reno, many different homes from then on and the experience I gained in helping with the carpenty work created many opportunities for me later in life as I too did the same thing besides working my full time job.

I have absolutely no regrets of what we had to do and when I hear some of these posters whining and saying how the boomers had it so good it makes me cringe. Good for you IH. I have a lot of respect for you.

#168 Buy? Curious? on 11.08.19 at 12:13 pm

Was I the first to post “OK Boomer” here? Haha! I LOVE IT!

You’re welcome.

#169 Waldguy on 11.08.19 at 12:30 pm

Dogs are stupid too.

Same one barks at me every morning for the last three years on my walk to work. Now I know what he’s ruffing about: “OK Boomer! OK Boomer!” Grrrr.

#170 oh bouy on 11.08.19 at 12:36 pm

@#155 Ronaldo on 11.08.19 at 9:54 am
This is what happens to people when they watch to much CNN and Trump bashing and listen to millennials whining about the boomers making their lives so terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4aiA17YsM&feature=youtu.be&t=64
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not sure why Canadians would watch CNN or Fox.
Who even has traditional cable these days?

#171 Steven Rowlandson on 11.08.19 at 12:37 pm

Hey Randy you are sneaking upon the basic truth that at the top Democrats, PC types ,Capitalists and Communists are in the same club and where it counts have a lot in common. They are on their side not yours or mine.

Not all Boomers are privileged. Some live in their car and I am one of them.

#172 Gerry on 11.08.19 at 12:41 pm

Another great post Mr. Turner. Thanks. You are getting quite philosophical, but the topic of Boomers debasing the planet and generally destroying the future for all is confusing for me. I am a Boomer.
As I understand it, the phenomenon of “baby boomers” is a North American thing that resulted from the post war productivity and wealth creation. The entire population of North America is something less than 5 million. World population is somewhere around 7 billion. North American counts for less than 7% of the world population.
Are we saying that a fraction of 7% [i.e. the boomer cohort] is seriously responsible for destroying the world? We can be accused of taking more than our share and we can be accused of taking our good fortune for granted, but it seems very unreasonable that such a small percentage of the world’s population should be labelled as the destroyers of the planet… I’m probably missing something really significant???

#173 Battle of the billionaires on 11.08.19 at 12:43 pm

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/bloomberg-offers-trump-ten-billion-dollars-to-leave-white-house-by-end-of-day?utm_brand=tny&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter

#174 Arrgh on 11.08.19 at 12:50 pm

How about this:

“Now, now Millennial”

#175 Yukon Elvis on 11.08.19 at 12:53 pm

I look at my grandkids today and I feel pretty good. They have very good lives and opportunities. They are healthy and happy. They have everything they need and most of what they want. I was born in ‘49 and grew up in Vancouver and at their age we did not have much. No refrigerator, the ice man came by once or twice a week. No TV. Nobody seemed to have one back then. A party line telephone, oil burning furnace, wood burning stove, no universal health care. Everyone else was pretty much in the same boat. Parents that were practically hillbillies and suffered thru the great depression and WW2. A far cry from what we have today. We helped build this country into what it is today. We invented all the modern conveniences that people enjoy today.I feel good about what we are leaving behind for future generations. Not perfect but better than what it was when I got here.

#176 Yuus bin Haad on 11.08.19 at 1:11 pm

Devo presaged TikTok over forty years ago

#177 AGuyInVancouver on 11.08.19 at 1:22 pm

Hating Bill Gates and the Waltons. Yeah, that’s constructive. – Garth
_ _ _
Really? Still arguing in favour Reagan’s failed trickle-down ideology? Bezos cuts health coverage for part-time workers at Whole Foods, why? Because he needs another billion?
https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-healthcare-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-promises-business-roundtable-2019-9

Oh and SmokingMan, TikTok is Chinese spyware masquerading as social media. Delete it!
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/7/20948613/tiktok-national-security-investigation-cfius-china-bytedance-hawley-rubio

#178 TurnerNation on 11.08.19 at 1:43 pm

Once again the global goal is forced rationing of science technology and of course energy.
This is the UN goal.

More and more will become forced into poverty by cost and taxes. Yes the CO2 Heat control knob dose all that.

http://energy.sia-partners.com/20170310/1-million-dutch-households-affected-energy-poverty

#179 crowdedelevatorfartz on 11.08.19 at 2:32 pm

@#165 Lowest Quintile
“Some of them remind me of the foolish emperor with no close……”
+++++

From one stupid, brainless, lazy, polluting, planet wrecking Boomer with no clothes.

Thanks for the laugh.

#180 kommykim on 11.08.19 at 2:41 pm

The best response I saw to “OK Boomer” was “OK tide pod”.

#181 NoName on 11.08.19 at 3:09 pm

Interesting read

While there may be a perception Millennials are uninterested in having a vehicle, a new study proclaims most of them want their own transportation.

https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/millennials-want-own-vehicles-survey-says?NL=WAW-04&Issue=WAW-04_20191108_WAW-04_498&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_3&utm_rid=CPENT000002460531&utm_campaign=23032&utm_medium=email&elq2=764057fdc07e45b9995f584510c481d5&utm_source=27352

#182 Sail Away on 11.08.19 at 4:23 pm

#169 Waldguy on 11.08.19 at 12:30 pm

Dogs are stupid too.

Same one barks at me every morning for the last three years on my walk to work. Now I know what he’s ruffing about: “OK Boomer! OK Boomer!” Grrrr.

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Dogs and people are infinitely trainable. You just need to stay a few steps ahead and use food. Give the dog bacon to stop the barking and make a new best pal.

Works for employees too: Boomers like free drip coffee and cream. Millenials like teas and soda streams. Throw in free takeout during overtime and all is well.

Edible incentives work!

#183 Sask to AB on 11.08.19 at 5:50 pm

re #126 Two-thirds on 11.07.19 at 10:54 pm

excellent post!

#184 Randy on 11.08.19 at 5:58 pm

In spite of the Green Climate Change Bullshit lie, energy demand and usage worldwide is growing almost exponentially…Meanwhile in Canada, the Elites are killing the energy industry in Canada. If you aren’t pissed, you aren’t paying attention. Get rid of your shades, the future here ain’t that bright

#185 Brett in Calgary on 11.09.19 at 2:39 pm

Garth have you seen this

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/tfsas-were-supposed-to-help-low-income-canadians-save-for-retirement-its-not-working/amp

Might as well neuter the tfsa because some folks know how to use them.