The losers

And finally…

The prime minister and his party gave up a lot of ground, surrendering seats and losing the popular vote Monday night. Minority government is no fun, and he’ll likely be fighting for his political life again in a couple of years.

The Conservatives blew an historic opportunity to topple a wobbly and insecure government racked by scandal and led by an egocentric with a troubled past, two ethics violations, public embarrassments and a mantle of hypocrisy. Not impressed.

The Dippers lost support, seats and credibility. They now form the fourth party in the House of Commons, with a caucus of dubious quality and scant experience.

The Greens blew the best chance they’ll ever have to elect members. She’s done.

Max? Pfft.

As for Canada, this is not a good week. Quebec has a reborn regional party with seriously deep separatist leanings, and has drifted away. The West is isolated from the centre, with no government MPs, a growing sense of alienation and a steamy barbarian leader in Alberta. The fracturing and balkanization that’s taken place in our land since 2015 is remarkable. At the same time we’ve just endured four years of deficit spending, and have four more (much worse) years coming. All this at a time when the global economy is slowing and interest rates are near historic lows.

It’s not hard to tell the election was about giving people stuff in order to win their vote. It was not about the notion of nation. No leader shone. None inspired. It’s hard to get excited about those who pay you to like them. So the voter turnout fell with more than a third of us never bothering. Polarization is the result, and now millions of voters await the goodies they were pledged.

The question for investors is what the 2020 federal budget will bring. Some people fear the assault on small business will resume, the capital gains inclusion rate will be upped, the 10% luxury tax implemented and new incentives reflate bubbly housing markets. They should. That could all certainly happen.

But not so fast.

Minority governments are tenuous. The people in charge suddenly have to serve many masters. In this case not only are there ideological differences between the parties, but regional ones as well. Trudeau’s tenure as PM could be ended in a number of ways, having lost the support of many Quebeckers and most people west of the Ontario border. Suddenly whacking everybody’s retirement savings or making it even harder for the largest demographic to buy a house is political suicide. So the good thing about minority – even when the Libs have to bed down with the socialists – is its inherent instability.

What to do?

Nothing. Responding to this vote by selling off hunks of your portfolio would be rash. (Buying that $175,000 RV, however, might be a stroke.) Raising the cap gains rate would be a major move, and only an irresponsible gaggle of politicians would do it without research and warning. For a minority government to pull that off would be unlikely. Ditto for gutting the stress test or (as the NDP wants) returning 30-year mortgages. If the next budget opens those doors the consequences could be dire – and the government change.

Wait. Assess. Listen. Read this pathetic blog. T2 will likely say he’ll govern as if he had a majority, at the same time negotiating with other parties. Like every leader, he’s addicted to power. But he’s also no fool. In a country where the popular vote for Cons just topped his own performance, he knows there are limits.

The excitement, the ‘sunny ways’ and the youthful adrenalin are gone. Too much baggage. Too many slips. Trudeau has to be careful now. He gets that. And he is surely thankful all his opponents choked.

 

217 comments ↓

#1 Max the Tax on 10.22.19 at 2:38 pm

Garth you are a man of many talents.
Thanks for your analysis

#2 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.22.19 at 2:42 pm

After days of heavy rain, the sun has come out over Vancouver.
Time to go for a walk and ponder how lucky we are to live in Canada.
1st world problems, is all I can say.
And, first, I hope

#3 tccontrarian on 10.22.19 at 2:50 pm

“Minority governments are tenuous. The people in charge suddenly have to serve many masters. In this case not only are there ideological differences between the parties, but regional ones as well. Trudeau’s tenure as PM could be ended in a number of ways, having lost the support of many Quebeckers and most people west of the Ontario border. Suddenly whacking everybody’s retirement savings or making it even harder for the largest demographic to buy a house is political suicide. So the good thing about minority – even when the Libs have to bed down with the socialists – is its inherent instability.”
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Safe to say that the outcome was probably best compromise, all things considered. Let’s see how they get along in Parliament. T2 should be a little bit less smug, methinks.

tcc

#4 yvr_lurker on 10.22.19 at 2:53 pm

I think that this minority leadership may be rather stable. The NDP has no finances to run another election, and are deeply in the hole trying to pay this one off. I don’t see them doing much to topple the Liberals, and their totals well exceed those of the conservatives and Bloq. Many on this blog predicted that the NDP and Green would very quickly collapse in BC with their very narrow cumulative margin. It has been as stable as can be, for likely the same reason.

#5 The Wet One on 10.22.19 at 3:08 pm

My question is, when will the Conservatives realize that “Harper with a smile” isn’t a winning strategy in Canada?

With their 34% of vote share, do they realize that Canada’s not buying what they’re selling?

Do they realize that action on climate change (of some sort) is necessary?

Hmmm…

One wonders.

You can win 97% of Alberta and all of Saskatchewan with what they’re selling with Trudeau as a boogeyman, but otherwise? Eh, not a winning formula so far as I can see.

Step up Conservatives. Try and sell something the voting public will buy.

#6 crossbordershopper on 10.22.19 at 3:08 pm

when does the bus of free stuff schedule come out, i want to be back in Canada for that. you know the dentist in the back the government employee in the front, going down every street.
im leaving for florida on the 16th.

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm

Raising the cap gains rate would be a major move, and only an irresponsible gaggle of politicians would do it without research and warning. For a minority government to pull that off would be unlikely.
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I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?

#8 expat on 10.22.19 at 3:14 pm

Canada just became an area with regions
Not a nation

#9 Deplorable Dude on 10.22.19 at 3:19 pm

Irony = American Liberals celebrating T2’s win…..having lost the ‘popular’ vote.

#10 James on 10.22.19 at 3:19 pm

#196 Justin S on 10.22.19 at 1:37 pm

#175 James on 10.22.19 at 11:49 am

I have seen him on many occasions he resides near me and he looks ready for a fight. He would have smoked Trudeau right out the door.

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Beaches?
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Check

#11 expat on 10.22.19 at 3:19 pm

The is election win proves people want to be taxed inoblivion for why else would any fool agree to vote in a leftist coalition?

You just gave this lunatic and his friends the mandate to keep going down the rabbit hole.

Let us not hear a tear or a whine from the Liberal voter.
You knew this.

In 4 years another 100 billion in debt with nothing to show for it.

A country of 3 solitudes
Those that love taxes and control
Those that hate taxes and control
And Quebec

There is but one winner imho
Quebec

#12 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 3:32 pm

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm

I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?

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Yes, that’s fine. That’s usually done to claim losses, though, rather than lock in a lower cap gain rate. If you’re in it for the long term, cashing out for that reason alone probably wouldn’t make sense since taxes come and taxes go while the portfolio goes on forever.

#13 T-dawg on 10.22.19 at 3:33 pm

Bit salty, and full of wishful thinking. Sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself rather than the reader.

“Maybe they’ll be too unstable to actually do anything”

I don’t buy it, but if you do, alright. Let’s see what they do. My guess is that rich man victim tears haven’t even begun.

“muh capital gains!”

Lmaoooo, what planet are you from? You think regular people give a hoot about things like capital gains inclusion rates? That’s more boring than watching Scheer spread mayonnaise on wonderbread.

#14 Earlybird on 10.22.19 at 3:39 pm

A very sane thought process…thank you!! Its a little bit of a gong show in AB right now….

#15 Tater on 10.22.19 at 3:42 pm

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm
Raising the cap gains rate would be a major move, and only an irresponsible gaggle of politicians would do it without research and warning. For a minority government to pull that off would be unlikely.
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I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?
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Sure, but why would you? If you want to cash out a portion, just sell a portion.

#16 Scott on 10.22.19 at 3:44 pm

I wouldn’t say the greens are dead. More seats and more votes than four years ago. 6.5% of votes to grab 3 seats as opposed to BQ getting 32 seats from 8%.

It’s anecdotal but of the ten or so people who told me how they voted and why all but one said well I would have voted for green or ndp but it I can’t throw away my vote and help get Scheer elected. Hopefully over time this mind set will change or better yet electoral reform will allow people to vote for who they want rather than against who they don’t want. Let’s go ranked choice then you can do both!

#17 Yukon Elvis on 10.22.19 at 3:51 pm

……..and the Libs are masters of gaming a flawed system. It is how they can form a government with less votes than the Cons.

#18 tccontrarian on 10.22.19 at 3:53 pm

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm

Raising the cap gains rate would be a major move, and only an irresponsible gaggle of politicians would do it without research and warning. For a minority government to pull that off would be unlikely.
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I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?
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Yes, you can. As long as you’re not buying back the exact same one, you’re good. I’ve previously done same with ETFs such as XGD (CAD), and GDX (US), both ways. Rationale – to crystalize losses (tax-loss selling), yet stay in the sector so as to not miss a rally, if it happens during the 30-day period.
I’ve done same recently with energy stocks (individual), as a basket though.

tcc

#19 Remembrancer on 10.22.19 at 3:54 pm

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm
Raising the cap gains rate would be a major move, and only an irresponsible gaggle of politicians would do it without research and warning. For a minority government to pull that off would be unlikely.
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I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?
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Huh? This is an unregistered account right?

As I understand it assuming so, lets say you had purchased last year $100 of SpiffyInvestments which is now worth $120. You sell at $120 resulting in $20 capital gains which you declare in your 2019 taxes and need to pay say $5, leaving you with a $15 post tax. That $100, actually $115 is yours to use as you wish, say to invest in 96/100ths of Spiffy Investments, minus brokerage fees etc right? But why would you? I don’t think there’s such a thing as a superficial gain :-) so as long as you taxes are paid, the government doesn’t care what you do with your money. Now harvesting losses is a different story – with a 30 day wait period between sell and buy…

Realizing loses to offset realized gains is one thing, but you’re moving money from one pocket to the other and losing some on the way, aren’t you with a strategy like this?

BTW – smarter people than me on this topic
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/t4037/capital-gains-2016.html#P306_32909

#20 SCD on 10.22.19 at 4:05 pm

Very good analysis, thank you!

#21 Paddy on 10.22.19 at 4:09 pm

First world problems for sure. Whatever the outcome, I will continue to come to this pathetic blog for advice and the steerage section for humour/entertainment.

#22 NotLegalAdvice on 10.22.19 at 4:09 pm

Both the Conservative and NDP leaders should step down.

The People Party should dissolve.

I am quite impressed with the BQ.

T2 needs to coast for the next 4 years and stay under the radar.

Lizzie? She’s actually cares. Hard to say the same about the rest.

#23 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.22.19 at 4:12 pm

I’m with Tractor Guy. If you can’t beat ’em join ’em. Gimme my free stuff.

Thanks Millennials!

#24 Bill Grable on 10.22.19 at 4:15 pm

At the risk of sounding obsequious, I would have liked to have seen Mr. Turner on CBC or CTV, last night, and laying this out for the sullen crowd.

The changes in Canada are very worrying.

Mr. Turner has called it “The Balkanization” of Canada. I am afraid I agree. I have talked to many friends in BC and some in Alberta, and they are really starting to talk about their belief that folks in Ottawa don’t give a hoot about them…and they are serious about getting out of Confederation.

They would vote for a Party, with that as their salient plank.

Trudeau is steering stormy seas. One slip and he’s gone.

What follows?

#25 Sovavia on 10.22.19 at 4:16 pm

(1) As Andrew Coyne mentioned in the National Post, “without a majority, the opposition will now control all the committees, and can call whatever witnesses they like.” Transparency is a winner.

(2) The real estate bubble can now deflate, slowly or quickly. The banks will blame the borrowers and they will in turn blame the government. Maybe financial sanity will be a winner – the stock market will outperform housing.

(3) Wait three days before deciding how to react, if at all: sleep on it.

#26 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 4:21 pm

#12 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 3:32 pm
#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm

I’m certainly hoping this is right. Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?

———————————

Yes, that’s fine. That’s usually done to claim losses, though, rather than lock in a lower cap gain rate. If you’re in it for the long term, cashing out for that reason alone probably wouldn’t make sense since taxes come and taxes go while the portfolio goes on forever.
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That’s what I thought, thanks. I could significantly reduce my income for one year to do it if it came to that.
I’m taking a (very) early retirement in about 18 months and I still haven’t figured out where I should be taking income from in what order. We’ve got maxed but small TFSA&RRSPs, Joint non-reg and retained earnings in our corporation.
I think drawing down the corp first makes the most sense since it’s most likely to get whacked by T2 and is already the least tax-effecient.

#27 Robin on 10.22.19 at 4:23 pm

Best thing about this election was Surrey’s bylaw regarding Election Political Signage:

“No political signs shall be erected or placed on any public property.”

As a result, our landfill will not be full of signs today and city staff will not spend the next few weeks removing signs.

Myth. All political campaigns have crews assigned to collecting the signs, and most are recycled. Prohibiting them on public property is a curtailment of free speech. – Garth

#28 AGuyInVancouver on 10.22.19 at 4:23 pm

#17 Yukon Elvis on 10.22.19 at 3:51 pm
……..and the Libs are masters of gaming a flawed system. It is how they can form a government with less votes than the Cons.
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The Cons have huge vote totals in a couple flyover provinces. That doesn’t mean they represent more of the country. Now we have to listen to months of Priairie People snivelling and whining about how hard done by they are.

#29 SunShowers on 10.22.19 at 4:25 pm

Who could have predicted that the province which passed legislation forbidding public servants from wearing identifiably religious attire would have a problem with a political party led by a Sikh?

#30 Chocolate Fingers on 10.22.19 at 4:30 pm

Thanks for all the analysis – never had a chance to comment on your post about all the bozo’s and losers that submit terrible comments – but thanks for all the financial and political insight

#31 Bob on 10.22.19 at 4:37 pm

#wexit seems appropriate if we as Albertan’s don’t get the following reasonable demands met:

1) We want to be able to sell our resources to any market in the world. This means pipelines!

2) We want a renegotiation of Transfer Payments.

3) Scrap the Carbon Tax.

Anything short of this means we leave and if we can’t then we become an autonomous region and go on to develop our own Police force, Tax System, and Pensions just like they do in Quebec.

Give in to my demands, or I’ll shoot myself! – Garth

#32 JSS on 10.22.19 at 4:40 pm

Husky Energy laying off in Calgary.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/husky-energy-layoffs-1.5330559

#33 JSS on 10.22.19 at 4:41 pm

#31 Bob

Alberta leaves to where?

#34 yorkville renter on 10.22.19 at 4:43 pm

People should remember – JT and the Libs were in 3rd place in 2015 and weren’t expected to win, but did and with a majority… so, chalk up another win, albeit by a smaller margin, so he’s still outperforming in a sense.

Scheer should go… he has zero life experience beyond parliament
Jagmeet should go… he has zero life experience and speaks like a 20 year old with lame analogies

Liz May should go… she’s done well but maybe new blood will help

heck, let’s get JT out too! Funny he was the oldest leader of the Big 3 parties, but like the others he has no legit life experience

/random rant

a pox on all of them!

#35 Shawn on 10.22.19 at 4:48 pm

Buy $USD

#36 Bobby on 10.22.19 at 4:53 pm

My guess is Trudeau will be done quicker than many think. At last the truth of SNC Lavalin will finally be told and people will be appalled. Charges will be laid and there will be another election.
Also, I have to ask, what is in the water in Toronto? How can they vote for such a hypocritical individual? Especially after the messes left by Wynn. Go figure.

#37 Greg on 10.22.19 at 4:54 pm

Hey Garth, I love your blog posts.

I’d be interested in reading a future post of yours on what you think is the best electorate system is. e.g. keep FPTP or do some form of proportionate representation. Thanks.

#38 Adrian on 10.22.19 at 5:04 pm

The Conservatives would be unbeatable if they had a charismatic leader who didn’t politic like he was running to be premier of Saskatchewan or Alberta. A woman, or someone with a real climate policy would’ve won this election. Easily.

#39 Ray Skunk on 10.22.19 at 5:07 pm

Scheer – nice guy, and I wish him well, but he has to go now. The dirt and baggage that sprung up this election ain’t going to disappear for the next one, and who knows how soon that will be.

The next Conservative leader needs to be:
a) Not a remnant of the Harper government
b) Absolutely, completely and utterly, squeaky clean – the MSM will hound to death any inkling of social conservatism sneaking in

Peter McKay’s been touted, but need not apply, IMO.
Give us someone fresh and teflon coated.

The peanut gallery over at the CBC would tear into Scheer for having dimples, for crying out loud. That’s how ruthless the challenges a Tory leader faces are in 2019.

#40 Stone on 10.22.19 at 5:07 pm

#31 Bob on 10.22.19 at 4:37 pm
#wexit seems appropriate if we as Albertan’s don’t get the following reasonable demands met:

1) We want to be able to sell our resources to any market in the world. This means pipelines!

2) We want a renegotiation of Transfer Payments.

3) Scrap the Carbon Tax.

Anything short of this means we leave and if we can’t then we become an autonomous region and go on to develop our own Police force, Tax System, and Pensions just like they do in Quebec.

Give in to my demands, or I’ll shoot myself! – Garth

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Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to be a 3rd world country. By all means, give it a try and let me know how it went…if you survive that long.

At least Quebec has waterways. Alberta’s got…nothing anyone else wants. Hence the shabby economy there.

#41 Drill Baby Drill on 10.22.19 at 5:08 pm

#36
just look at the demographics including countries of origin of many many voters in the 416 and 905 and this answers were many of the Lib votes came from. These non-naturalised Canadians population increase over the past 10 years has been very rapid.

#42 Smoking Man on 10.22.19 at 5:13 pm

Quickest way to get a green card is to move to Alberta.
Wexit is on!!

#43 Thedood on 10.22.19 at 5:19 pm

#5 The Wet One on 10.22.19 at 3:08 pm

……Step up Conservatives. Try and sell something the voting public will buy……
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They can start by losing Scheer and finding some experience to be their pitch man. He tried but his inexperience was plainly on display throughout, and he doesn’t have the looks and hair of T2 to make up for it. Secondly, throw some money at the Libs marketing team and hire them. Cons had all the ammo necessary to spin things in their favor and failed. Their whole campaign team should be shown the door and blackballed from ever working in politics again. One of the great choke jobs in the history of politics.

#44 Jeff on 10.22.19 at 5:23 pm

I see some possibles outcome for the long term :

1) The country will live some sort of crisis and will end in hyperinflation.

2) The country will eventually become more socialist and eventually transform into a communist country.

3) The country will shatter into multiples regions (Quebec independance, West independance, etc.).

#45 PeterfromCalgary on 10.22.19 at 5:26 pm

Anyone who studies history knows that borders are fluid. Trudeau’s election despite getting support in only a few provinces shows Canada no longer works. It is time to consider re-drawing our borders into multiple nations that better reflect to hopes and aspirations of it’s people.

If we can’t even build pipelines their is no point to Alberta being part of Canada.

#46 Bob on 10.22.19 at 5:27 pm

#40…

“Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to be a 3rd world country. By all means, give it a try and let me know how it went…if you survive that long.

At least Quebec has waterways. Alberta’s got…nothing anyone else wants. Hence the shabby economy there.”

Stone…We get NOTHING from the rest of Canada. They have turned their backs on us. Anything would be better than what we have now. Even if we become a 3rd world country then that will be fine. At least we would be our own 3rd world country not beholden to elites back east. Don’t you get it? We are losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thousands of businesses are going belly up. I can see you don’t care about this so why should I care about the ROC?

#47 Thedood on 10.22.19 at 5:28 pm

#31 Bob on 10.22.19 at 4:37 pm
#wexit seems appropriate if we as Albertan’s don’t get the following reasonable demands met:

1) We want to be able to sell our resources to any market in the world. This means pipelines!

2) We want a renegotiation of Transfer Payments.

3) Scrap the Carbon Tax.

Anything short of this means we leave and if we can’t then we become an autonomous region and go on to develop our own Police force, Tax System, and Pensions just like they do in Quebec.

Give in to my demands, or I’ll shoot myself! – Garth
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LOL!

AB’s only exit option is to make a deal with Trump! How many Albertans are up for that?

#48 Oscar on 10.22.19 at 5:31 pm

Excellent overview Garth. The emotion running here in Calgary today is palpable. Job fears, continued house price declines, more taxes and Quebec constantly asking for more are all top of mind.
Tough to be Kenney with no real path to success.

#49 Adrian on 10.22.19 at 5:32 pm

We are Canadians and we have it pretty good. This is a great country.

#50 Wait There on 10.22.19 at 5:40 pm

The country long term now will lean to the left. There is nothing that can re center it. Any move to the right is repugnant to both the people in major city centers and media.

You cannot sell any fiscal sanity to the people who are already hurting from their high housing costs. So the only thing to win their votes is more giveaways.

The question is can conservatives expand their base? Not very likely. Each year newly minted citizens approx 300K will vastly likely be mostly Liberal or NDP. The majority will reside in either the GTA or Greater Vancouver and they will expand outwards and encroach on what was 905 Conservative strongholds. The trend is clear. Jane Philpott lost her seat because of this phenomena.

The key strategy for the Conservative party is to gain newly minted citizens votes. That will not happen.

The only way out of the structural deficit abyss that we are about to enter into is increased productivity. There are two ways to bring more wealth to everyone spread it around by redistribution or increase productivity.

Guess which option left leaning governments tend to pick.

#51 Duffy on 10.22.19 at 5:43 pm

Let’s take a minute and think about the liberal voters, what they just told the leader is, its okay for him to:

Lie . . . SNC
Promote racism . . . black face
Grope
Financially reward a convicted terrorist
Being convicted of ethics violations more than once
and many other gaffes that clearly demonstrate his lack of maturity.

What would it take for them to say, maybe this guy has stepped over the line . . . . . him getting caught snorting a line or drowning a puppy in a pail of water.
I feel there are voters out there that just say, he’s my guy no matter what.
The moral bar is getting closer to the ground.

#52 Bob on 10.22.19 at 5:47 pm

#47 Thedood on 10.22.19 at 5:28 pm

LOL!

AB’s only exit option is to make a deal with Trump! How many Albertans are up for that?
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There are only about 4.5 millions Albertan’s. I’m pretty sure we can get by without making a deal with Trump. By the time wexit happens Trump won’t be in office anymore. Keystone XL and TMX should be finished by then and I’m pretty sure we will do fine.

#53 Stone on 10.22.19 at 5:47 pm

#46 Bob on 10.22.19 at 5:27 pm
#40…

“Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to be a 3rd world country. By all means, give it a try and let me know how it went…if you survive that long.

At least Quebec has waterways. Alberta’s got…nothing anyone else wants. Hence the shabby economy there.”

Stone…We get NOTHING from the rest of Canada. They have turned their backs on us. Anything would be better than what we have now. Even if we become a 3rd world country then that will be fine. At least we would be our own 3rd world country not beholden to elites back east. Don’t you get it? We are losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thousands of businesses are going belly up. I can see you don’t care about this so why should I care about the ROC?

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Boohoo. Poor little you. You’re such a poor little victim. What you want are all the goodies without the effort. Doesn’t work like that in the real world. Life isn’t about fairness. No effort = no goodies for you.

I recommend you travel a bit and get a concept of what the 3rd world really is. You definitely demonstrate a complete lack of understanding. No one wants to live in the 3rd world…except you apparently.

#54 Jeff on 10.22.19 at 5:54 pm

The next phase of Conservatives will be more left leaning. Ten years from now they’ll be where Trudeau is today.
The progressive death spiral will take us to Venezuela eventually…it’s the nature of democracy.

#55 Kelly on 10.22.19 at 5:56 pm

The Liberal minority is the worst outcome for Canada.

NDP calling all the shots for T2.

No pipelines.
Another $300 billion loss for Canada in lost sales, lost investment and lost jobs.
The west should leave.
Their treatment by past governments is disgraceful.

More pollyanna hand ringing over the end of the world coming because of mankind living on this planet.

Quebec should leave.
They would be far better off as a separate Country where the gentry from Ontario and New York could visit without having to fly in the planet killing airplanes.
Quebec could put much more effort into shipping their asbestos all over the planet killing thousands with impunity.

Ontario should leave so they can drown in their self inflicted debt all alone trembling in the dark so they can save the planet from the CBC climate crisis.

BC should go taking their double standards of being anti pipeline while they ship LNG and millions of tons of coal around the world.

The prairies and the east coast should hook up with Ottawa to complete the beaurocratic standard for the world fashioned after the EU.

Good luck Canada.

#56 DriveByArgument on 10.22.19 at 5:59 pm

“LOL!

AB’s only exit option is to make a deal with Trump! How many Albertans are up for that?”

Sadly, more than this Albertan would like to admit.

Quebec has already shown us how to get all the benefits of Confederation while simultaneously having pretty much everything your own way.

Shame on us if we are too stupid to follow their example.

#57 baloney Sandwitch on 10.22.19 at 6:05 pm

As a con member, I voted Liberal. I was put off by the assnine antics of Doug Ford, Kenney and the ass in saskatchewan. They just lost the election because many people like me thought that way.

#58 G on 10.22.19 at 6:10 pm

two from Stefan Molyneux,

-Canadian Election: What It Means!
13min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QexG91Rc5PE&t=2s

-The Revolt Against Intelligence
32min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsIouGO94Jw

#59 MF on 10.22.19 at 6:13 pm

#50 Wait There on 10.22.19 at 5:40 pm

Happening all over the western world.

Although I disagree with you. At some point in the future, in the midst of a debt crisis, everyone will be forced to move more towards center or right leaning austerity whether they like it or not.

MF

#60 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 6:13 pm

#6 crossbordershopper on 10.22.19 at 3:08 pm

when does the bus of free stuff schedule come out, i want to be back in Canada for that.

——

My experience is all you need is an active chequing account, some of the free cash gets stuffed in there.

The rest you get at tax time. :D

#61 Bob on 10.22.19 at 6:14 pm

53 Stone on 10.22.19 at 5:47 pm

#46 Bob on 10.22.19 at 5:27 pm
#40…

“Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to be a 3rd world country. By all means, give it a try and let me know how it went…if you survive that long.

At least Quebec has waterways. Alberta’s got…nothing anyone else wants. Hence the shabby economy there.”

Stone…We get NOTHING from the rest of Canada. They have turned their backs on us. Anything would be better than what we have now. Even if we become a 3rd world country then that will be fine. At least we would be our own 3rd world country not beholden to elites back east. Don’t you get it? We are losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thousands of businesses are going belly up. I can see you don’t care about this so why should I care about the ROC?

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Boohoo. Poor little you. You’re such a poor little victim. What you want are all the goodies without the effort. Doesn’t work like that in the real world. Life isn’t about fairness. No effort = no goodies for you.

I recommend you travel a bit and get a concept of what the 3rd world really is. You definitely demonstrate a complete lack of understanding. No one wants to live in the 3rd world…except you apparently.

_________________________________________

I was born in a 3rd world country and moved here when I was 25. Trust me son, you may want to educate yourself a bit more about this issue and stop being so ignorant. Trust me, you need Alberta more than we need you:

“Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pays $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world.” Per Statistics Canada, in 2015 Alberta paid $27 billion more into the federal treasury than it received back in services.

A February 2019 poll from Angus Reid found 50% of Albertans would support secession from Canada.

After Justin Trudeau’s re-election in the 2019 Canadian federal election, #Wexit trended and a Facebook group had gained more than 70,000 members in one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism

#62 45north on 10.22.19 at 6:21 pm

Scott: Hopefully over time this mind set will change or better yet electoral reform will allow people to vote for who they want rather than against who they don’t want. Let’s go ranked choice then you can do both!

If only we had a party who would bring in electoral reform.

Oh wait.

#63 MF on 10.22.19 at 6:24 pm

#8 expat on 10.22.19 at 3:14 pm

One of the worst posters to come here returns:

“Canada just became an area with regions
Not a nation”

-Hilarious coming from some ex pat in the United ‘States of America where 50% of the population votes for a political party that makes our most hardened leftists blush, and hates the other 50% with a passion. Even more hilarious that this guy thinks competing geographical interests in a country the size of Canada is some new issue.

Welcome to politics.

Why do these people post here and embarrass themselves?

MF

#64 Bonhomme Carnaval on 10.22.19 at 6:26 pm

Québec (and a majority of Québecois.e) is asking Ottawa to stop meddling in provincial competencies–isn’t that what the Prairies and BC want too… ?

In addition, two other points :

1) ONE tax return managed by Revenu Québec ;
2) Full control of immigration policy.

Be honest folks, all provinces want the same things.

We just have to ask Justin to reopen and renegotiate his father’s constitution. That’s all!

For the record, in Québec the Catholic Church & Establishment were flushed out politics and social life in the 1960s. Québec (and a majority of Québecois.e) believes in a religiously neutral State.

It’s called ‘secularism’ : In political terms, secularism is a movement towards the separation of religion and government (often termed the separation of church and state).

This can refer to reducing ties between a government and a state religion, replacing laws based on scripture (such as Halakha, Dominionism, and Sharia law) with civil laws, and eliminating discrimination on the basis of religion. This is said to add to democracy by protecting the rights of religious minorities.
(source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism)

In Canada, our Head of State is also the Supreme Governor of the Church of England…

MAKE CANADA A REPUBLIC!

#65 Don Guillermo on 10.22.19 at 6:27 pm

Let’s take a minute and think about the liberal voters, what they just told the leader is, its okay for him to:
Lie . . . SNC
Promote racism . . . black face
Grope
Financially reward a convicted terrorist
Being convicted of ethics violations more than once
and many other gaffes that clearly demonstrate his lack of maturity.
What would it take for them to say, maybe this guy has stepped over the line . . . . . him getting caught snorting a line or drowning a puppy in a pail of water.
I feel there are voters out there that just say, he’s my guy no matter what.
The moral bar is getting closer to the ground.

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Shame, shame on Canada. I’m embarrassed!!

#66 Bones on 10.22.19 at 6:29 pm

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#67 Yanniel on 10.22.19 at 6:29 pm

#15 Tater on 10.22.19 at 3:42 pm

#7 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 3:11 pm
Speaking of cap gains, I’ve never been clear on the rules… Can you sell-off an ETF to harvest some and then rebuy a very similar one (but not the exact same one) right away?
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Sure, but why would you? If you want to cash out a portion, just sell a portion.

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Maybe trying to harvest a tax loss? https://www.investopedia.com/articles/taxes/08/tax-loss-harvesting.asp

#68 Leo on 10.22.19 at 6:30 pm

#33 JSS

Alberta leaves to the US…
They at lease take care of their own and F-over everyone else…. Canada seems to be going in the opposite direction.

Canada is frozen with in-fighting… take AB and BC, long time great neighbors… both hate the US. AB because they screw us by buying O&G at below market, BC because of Softwood and various other disputes.
And we can’t find any common ground to work together??

I’ve heard talk that there are US funded lobby groups that fuel this in-fighting…. since its in their national interest, it would not supersize me to find out that its true.

#69 MF on 10.22.19 at 6:32 pm

#42 Smoking Man on 10.22.19 at 5:13 pm

More like

#Calexit

Oops.

MF

#70 Randy Cross on 10.22.19 at 6:34 pm

I would welcome the implosion of Canada.

#71 Linda on 10.22.19 at 6:34 pm

While minority governments do not tend to last long, possibly this time will be different. The NDP lost seats, but it return now have more power to implement their policies since the Liberals need them to stay in power. IF both JT & Jag can keep it together this minority government just might last long enough to count as a full term.

Unfortunately the outcome of such an event is likely to be massive deficits. Both the Liberals & the NDP have made many expensive to keep promises. Since they will presumably want to stay in power they will be motivated to enact the legislation that delivers on said promises. Hope for fiscal prudence & plan for mayhem is all I can say.

#72 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 6:42 pm

#23 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.22.19 at 4:12 pm

I’m with Tractor Guy. If you can’t beat ’em join ’em. Gimme my free stuff.

Thanks Millennials!
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lol! Bytor, you’ve missed your calling (stand up comedy!).

Got to live with a smile on your face as much as possible.

One of the things that makes me smile, is small off road vehicles of the YAMAHA persuasion. To think the government will buy one of the over-priced little buggers for me, well that’s like legalizing polygamy and handing out 40’s of Rum on ‘da house – all rolled up in one!

#73 Dazed and CONfused on 10.22.19 at 6:42 pm

And now, Ontarians, back to our regular programming….

(…sound of duct tape being removed from Doug Frod).

#74 Millennial Realist on 10.22.19 at 6:43 pm

Paleo Boomers:

The fragmenting of this vote is a perfect metaphor for the decline of Boomer Con influence.

Change is here. It is murky and confusing as it begins, but that is normal. A new generation is taking over.

Look west, Boomers.

Your sun is setting.

#75 Stone on 10.22.19 at 6:47 pm

#61 Bob on 10.22.19 at 6:14 pm
53 Stone on 10.22.19 at 5:47 pm

#46 Bob on 10.22.19 at 5:27 pm
#40…

“Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to be a 3rd world country. By all means, give it a try and let me know how it went…if you survive that long.

At least Quebec has waterways. Alberta’s got…nothing anyone else wants. Hence the shabby economy there.”

Stone…We get NOTHING from the rest of Canada. They have turned their backs on us. Anything would be better than what we have now. Even if we become a 3rd world country then that will be fine. At least we would be our own 3rd world country not beholden to elites back east. Don’t you get it? We are losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. Thousands of businesses are going belly up. I can see you don’t care about this so why should I care about the ROC?

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Boohoo. Poor little you. You’re such a poor little victim. What you want are all the goodies without the effort. Doesn’t work like that in the real world. Life isn’t about fairness. No effort = no goodies for you.

I recommend you travel a bit and get a concept of what the 3rd world really is. You definitely demonstrate a complete lack of understanding. No one wants to live in the 3rd world…except you apparently.

_________________________________________

I was born in a 3rd world country and moved here when I was 25. Trust me son, you may want to educate yourself a bit more about this issue and stop being so ignorant. Trust me, you need Alberta more than we need you:

“Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pays $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world.” Per Statistics Canada, in 2015 Alberta paid $27 billion more into the federal treasury than it received back in services.

A February 2019 poll from Angus Reid found 50% of Albertans would support secession from Canada.

After Justin Trudeau’s re-election in the 2019 Canadian federal election, #Wexit trended and a Facebook group had gained more than 70,000 members in one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism

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Don’t believe your story. You sound too whiny.

#76 WEXIT! on 10.22.19 at 6:49 pm

WEXIT is our only option.

Alberta needs no more of Ottawa’s BS. There will be an incredible groundswell of support over the next six months.

Stay tuned :)

#77 oh bouy on 10.22.19 at 6:59 pm

looks like kinsella will be going down hard.
wonder who he takes with him.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-kinsella-calls-for-probe-of-his-firms-secret-work-to-seek-and/

#78 AACI Homedog on 10.22.19 at 7:01 pm

I think I admire the states style of governing, with a 2 party system. Sure, I realize they elected a clown (so maybe expected the circus they ended up with ?) At least then we wouldn’t have this regionalized bickering that may tear us further apart.

#79 Dave on 10.22.19 at 7:02 pm

Come on, who could lose to Scheer? If the Cons had a candidate with a brain, Trudolt would be toast. Scheer had no platform until days before the election. He said nothing about why we should vote for him or why he wanted to be PM and instead wasted his time trashing Trudeau.

#80 Darren on 10.22.19 at 7:03 pm

To summarise, the situation is hopeless, but not serious.

Exactly. – Garth

#81 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.22.19 at 7:04 pm

@#61 bob

The frustration in Alberta is palpable.
The economy has sucked for alomost 2 years and with todays layoffs at Husky in Cowtown….I’m thinking things are going to get a lot worse.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/husky-energy-layoffs-underway-in-downtown-calgary-1.4650072

I’m seeing slow down in the BC construction sector at the supplier level.
Went in to a commercial trade store today at 7am….crickets.
6 months ago it was a mad house at 7am….

Lets see what the next 12 months brings for Mr Trudeau…..

#82 meslippery on 10.22.19 at 7:05 pm

All hope is not lost….
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But Trudeau’s government is the target of an ongoing investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police; it was put on hold just prior to the election being called.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10/22/will-a-weakened-trudeau-be-able-to-survive-looming-rcmp-investigations/

Stop linking that rag. – Garth

#83 Ustabe on 10.22.19 at 7:08 pm

Way too much blame being projected outward with very little introspection going on.

Cons blame everything from Scheer to FPTP to stupid voters without looking inward to their own policies or lack there of.

Alberta blaming the rest of Canada for their failure to even contemplate life beyond oil extraction.

Writers on here blaming everything but their own lack of demanding their chosen party adhere to sound policy that can be embraced by a majority of Canadians while demanding that their own narrow focus ideas be elevated to national attention.

Look at it this way…if every single person you meet in a day, from person one to end of day you feel is an idiot maybe the problem lies less with them and more with you.

As the CPC eroded its PC roots in favour of ReformaCon ideology so too began the slide into permanent 2nd place.

Clean up your party, only then will you gain the positions you claim to seek.

#84 CJohnC on 10.22.19 at 7:09 pm

#56 drive by
Quebec has already shown us how to get all the benefits of Confederation while simultaneously having pretty much everything your own way.

Shame on us if we are too stupid to follow their example.
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Yes, so let’s all pull out our hymn books and turn to Nov 27, 2006 and declare ourselves Nations within Canada.

(Garth will vote against you by the way)

#85 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 10.22.19 at 7:13 pm

The Liberals had free CBC coverage and Trudeau coverage and colour was a lovefest. The bias against Andrew Scheer and the Cons was not just CBC but CTV so when you consider all that free CBC “pumping” for Trudeau the fact that the Cons had pretty much the same support as Trudeau speaks well for Scheer. Every time you turn on the TV every comment was aimed and turned into a hit against Scheer and any and all debate about Trudeau was deflected and/or turned into an opportunity to badmouth the Cons. No surprise the west voted as one against the navel-staring CBC from Toronto and east. Low voter turnout gave the Liberals a tiny edge.

#86 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.22.19 at 7:15 pm

@#74 Millennial Fantacist

Your imagination is reaching new heights.
Perhaps rising taxes and a failing economy over the next few Trudeau years will bring you back to the real world……
Budgets dont balance themselves.
Bullies beat up people in pink.
Boomers still have all the money.
Bleating babies get spanked.

#87 AGuyInVancouver on 10.22.19 at 7:17 pm

#76 WEXIT! on 10.22.19 at 6:49 pm
WEXIT is our only option.

Alberta needs no more of Ottawa’s BS. There will be an incredible groundswell of support over the next six months.

Stay tuned :)
_ _ _
See, we’re already int 80+ plus posts of a Prairie Pity Party.

Would y’all like a tissue snowflakes?

#88 The WOMBAT on 10.22.19 at 7:18 pm

If there’s a serious movement for Alberta to separate from the nation, do they have the right to claim all the oil and NG that is within Canada? In other words, do the provinces ‘own’ the energy that is extracted from their geographic area?
I’m sure this question came up during the Quebec referendum discussions, but the hydro-electric projects are renewables, not something being removed from the common wealth of the nation.
I’ve read about Norway being the poster-child of the wealth of nat. resources, but is (are), there multiple jurisdictions claiming their share of the pot?
Hey Westerners – don’t beat me up on this, I just want to know where the money comes from and how much is sent to Ottawa.
My riding stayed blue (again).
M60ON

#89 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.22.19 at 7:19 pm

And to any Millennial Surrealists out there expecting a huge cash out when Mom and Dad keel over face first in the porridge….. keep fantasizing.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/investing/personal-finance/household-finances/article-nearly-half-of-all-canadians-are-banking-on-an-inheritance-to-meet/

#90 High bar on 10.22.19 at 7:23 pm

“Like every leader, he’s addicted to power. But he’s also no fool.”

You put the bar for being a fool very high, hey?

#91 Shane Thomas on 10.22.19 at 7:23 pm

Trudeau was a drama teacher. What does he know anything about running a company or business just imagine a 37 million+ populated country.

Canadians are really ignorant on basic economics and history of Liberal, left socialist governments always end up in disaster. Look who has run Canada 65% of the time, Liberals. Wake up people.

Canada is going in the wrong direction and we are not Europe or Venezuela, Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, China etc.

#92 Cici on 10.22.19 at 7:25 pm

Thanks for tonight’s wonderfully awesome blog!

#93 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 7:28 pm

The problem with both the US Electoral College and our Parliamentary system is that the popular vote doesn’t matter, at least not as much as people think it should. If it did then the Cons and Libs should have ended up with about the same number of seats and Hilary “I see Russian people” Clinton would be President.

Instead what happened last night is that Ontario voted for Cons and Libs in about the same numbers, making the votes very important, whereas Alberta and Saskatchewan voted overwhelmingly blue, making each vote in Alberta and Saskatchewan only about half as important as each vote in Ontario. Half the people who voted Blue out west could have stayed home and the results would have been about the same.

But that is the way the parliamentary system works. Everybody knew the election would be decided in Ontario, as it always is. To win, Scheer had to do better in Ontario. I think if you look at the breakdown, Scheer did not get the popular vote in Ontario, Trudeau did. Getting the overwhelming majority of the popular vote in Alberta and Saskatchewan pushed up his overall numbers, but it can’t make up for the ridings lost in Ontario.

Some consequences (there will be many):

Trudeau will now have to lean even more towards the left/Quebec/climate alarmism, if that is even possible, if he wants to stay the figurehead of power (he has almost none in this circumstance).

The Conservatives on the other hand have a lot of sole searching to do. They need to come up with a leader that can win Ontario, or at least win a lot more of Ontario. It doesn’t appear to be Scheer. And depending on how things go, they might not have much time. They might have to ask Kevin O’Leary to do it after all, simply because he has name recognition. Otherwise they might have to face a snap election with a leader that failed to deliver in Ontario (Scheer) or somebody nobody recognizes.

Notice how I didn’t even mention Quebec? Quebec is acting increasingly like they did actually vote to separate all those years ago, and are now their own state, yet somehow they retain the right to send representatives to our Parliament and extract large sums of money from us. The fracturing of Canada is well underway. I guess it was since the days the separation movement began, but it continues. The people of Quebec voted to stay in confederation, but that doesn’t mean the politicians feel bound by that outcome.

BC is it’s own can of worms. If you look at a map of how BC voted, BC itself might one day find itself split in 2. You can draw a line down the middle, and they voted mostly blue in the east and mostly orange and red in the west. BC itself is highly fractured, and resentment is building in the interior where people feel Vancouver is calling the shots but doesn’t have their best interests in mind. Many of those people have strong social and economic ties to Alberta, and suffer the same fate as Albertans do (where the economy of Alberta goes so too does the economy of interior BC, only with higher taxes). BC itself is being slowly ripped in half.

Manitoba appears to have a similar rift occurring but the split is north-south rather than east-west. Might be nothing, the riding in the north of Manitoba is huge. Nobody lives there.

One last point, perhaps the most important. If you overlay a map of where Canadian energy activity exists, production, pipelines, etc., or where the economy is directly affected by the health of that industry, with a map of the election results, you’ll see the energy infrastructure is mostly all blue. Scheer captured nearly all of it, Greta Thunberg be damned. The problem here is that although Ontario and Quebec import a lot of natural gas from the producing regions out west, oil not so much. They prefer ocean bound sources from Saudi Arabia, Norway, the US, etc. Oil in boats on the ocean. This is mostly because there isn’t enough pipeline capacity and shipping by sea isn’t that expensive unless you consider Exxon Valdez. No pipeline ever did that. But I digress. So there is a huge rift opening up between the areas of the country that depend on the energy industry for their livelihoods and the areas that rely on foreign oil but want to virtue signal. This cannot continue.

#94 PastThePeak on 10.22.19 at 7:30 pm

Don’t agree with Garth. The Libs are left & the parties they need to pass legislation are more left. Hard to see any barrier to ramped up spending with tax increases to pay for it (they think – history shows it doesn’t work out that way).

Nobody wants to go back to the polls for at least 2 years (BQ and NDP for sure).

The NDP are certain to push for national pharmacare…maybe day-care too. Nothing the Libs wouldn’t want. What taxes to pay for it – capital gains inclusion rate is a no brainer for this crowd. A wealth tax would be harder – can’t see Morneau or T2 going for that.

No one in either party, or the media, will bat an eyebrow at $30B/year deficits.

Does anyone really think the TMX expansion will be built?

The ONLY improvement in this minority situation, and was mentioned above, is that the Libs can’t control the committees so it greatly restricts the Trudeau impulse to railroad over everybody in his path and use the state to prosecute the innocent (re: Norman), knowing he can close down any investigation.

#95 G on 10.22.19 at 7:34 pm

Hi Garth,

Is there an ETF with exposure to Russian companies that can help a 60/40 balanced plan to get in on some of the future business, and what weighting do you recommend, if it’s Russia, if that even maters?

-Russia offers African leaders no-strings-attached business and protection from Western pressure
https://www.rt.com/news/471550-russia-africa-summit-sochi/

#96 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.22.19 at 7:37 pm

Lesson for Herr Scheerer:
Politics is a blood sport.
No place for the meek.
As for Rainbow:
She paid a high price for sticking with her principles.
All the good she could have done for her people, had she stayed in Trudo’s cabinet.
Now she’s a lonely voice in the wilderness.
She’ll probably cross over to the Greens and become their leader.

#97 paracho on 10.22.19 at 7:40 pm

Since everyone has an observation , here are a few from my end :
The PC were and are fractured within . Many PC members I knew and know wanted Bernier or Rona Ambrose as leader . Scheer won his PC leadership spot by only a small margin from Bernier .
It is , or would be a different election if Bernier was PC leader. Some wound wager marginally less Bloc seats due to the popularity of Bernier and a few more PC seats outside of Quebec .
The NDP lost seats once again . First under Mulcair and once again slashed by Jagmeet .
More people actually voted PC than Liberal.
But it only counts as per the ridings or seats the party wins .In the same argument more people voted NDP than Bloc. But the Bloc has more seats .
The Bloc clearly made strides in this election . True winners .
Life now moves on and goes ahead . The sky did not fall .
Fact as per CP24: the average duration of a minority government in Canada is 1 year 7 months 27 days .
We may or may not go into an election within the next 2 years .

#98 leebow on 10.22.19 at 7:44 pm

#46 Bob

When did you move to Alberta?

#99 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 7:44 pm

#74 Millennial Realist on 10.22.19 at 6:43 pm

Change is here. It is murky and confusing as it begins, but that is normal. A new generation is taking over.
—-

…and not a moment too soon! Those Wolverine X2 SE R-Spec’s cost a mint! I’d never be able to afford one without those delicious CCB payments!

I can’t even convey how happy I am that I am being run over by this change that I am not embracing!

My garage would be a barren wasteland if Harper still ran the show!!

#100 Long-Time Lurker on 10.22.19 at 7:46 pm

One of Trudeau’s opponents didn’t choke: Jody Wilson-Raybould!

I’m not upset about the Federal Election results. I mentioned this here earlier: I’m with NIRP — the Non-Ideological Rationalist Party. I’m also a Stoic through experience. (Nod to IHCTD9.)

I made my prediction in February of the Conservative minority government because I thought Trudeau-mania was over and that Scheer was the second coming of Joe Clark. (He talks just like him.)

The future (I’ve got great credibility by the way, hee hee!): T2 keeps overspending and the next government has to pay it all back. T2 = T1.

TCContrarian, do you want to share your rationale for everything cratering till it hits bottom in 2021?

#101 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 7:49 pm

#83 Ustabe

There is pretty much nothing Albertans would rather do than shut down the oil and gas industry in it’s entirety for a month, but we can’t because we have bills to pay and loans to service.

That’s what the proposal to shut of the existing Trans-Mountain pipeline was all about. And please remember that was Notely NDP’s legislation. I think eventually we’re going to have to do it, maybe for just a week, so that you greenies can figure out how your cell phone and your electric scooter gets charged.

If Alberta shuts the pipelines going from Alberta to BC, even for a week, everything in your fridge is going to spoil, you won’t be able to shower, and you’ll be on foot. Farmers won’t be able to get their crops of either, so you won’t even be eating. Get a hold of yourself! We don’t yet have an alternative! And neither do you. Unless you think you can live like a monkey in the forest.

#102 Miss Anthropic on 10.22.19 at 7:52 pm

I was under the impression that Caroline Mulroney was being groomed for the job of CPC leader.

#103 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.22.19 at 7:54 pm

Looking forward to see what Jag’s gonna do.
He’s an idealist who runs on charisma, which appealed to the young ones.
It’s always interesting when wide eyed idealists meet RealPolitik.
But he may surprise everyone.

#104 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 7:58 pm

If Alberta tries to secede with all that beautiful oil, we’ll just go to war. Easy-peasy. The oil doesn’t belong to the province. Just as an employee can’t leave a company with company equipment.

Same situation as the US civil war.

#105 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.22.19 at 8:03 pm

#101
If Alberta shuts the pipelines going from Alberta to BC, even for a week, everything in your fridge is going to spoil, you won’t be able to shower, and you’ll be on foot. ———
The crude is actually tanked from Burnaby to Washington where it is refined and then sold back to BC for a handsome profit.

#106 Remembrancer on 10.22.19 at 8:11 pm

Hate to ruin the narrative with facts, but here you go…

Where each province actually gets its energy inputs from with a nice browsing feature – brought to you by your tax dollars in action…

https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/nrg/ntgrtd/mrkt/nrgsstmprfls/qc-eng.html

Spoiler alert – for instance majority of Quebec’s refinery inputs are from Western Canada and US…

#107 leebow on 10.22.19 at 8:12 pm

#95 G

There is RSX. But it would be wise to stay out of it pending US election and Putin’s departure.

#108 Also in Cowtown on 10.22.19 at 8:17 pm

#68 Leo

“I’ve heard talk that there are US funded lobby groups that fuel this in-fighting…. since its in their national interest, it would not supersize me to find out that its true.”

This is a 30 minute Doc. from Vivian Krause. It explains how US Lobby Groups are funding activism in Canada – against our Oil Industry.

https://www.facebook.com/overabarreldoc

#109 Doug in London on 10.22.19 at 8:22 pm

The Conservatives blew an historic opportunity to topple a wobbly and insecure government racked by scandal and led by an egocentric with a troubled past, two ethics violations, public embarrassments and a mantle of hypocrisy. Not impressed.
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Agreed, but why did they not win the election? Here’s a clip from an article Konrad Yakabuski wrote in The Globe and mail back in May 2017: There are certain evolutions in society – same sex marriage, transgender rights, and carbon pricing – to which resistance is not only wrong but futile. The Conservatives, including Andrew Scheer are perceived, quite rightly, as being a relic of an age long past and totally out of touch with life in the 21st century.

I believe if they could get candidates like they had in the past like Brian Mulroney, Joe Clark, Bill Davis or Ralph Klein they would have cleaned up with a majority and given all other parties the boot. These old style Conservatives believed more in the highly abstract concept of governing effectively while being fiscally responsible. Seems like an idea from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

#110 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.22.19 at 8:24 pm

@#102 Miss Taken
“I was under the impression that Caroline Mulroney was being groomed for the job of CPC leader.”
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Great.
Another family political “dynasty” in the making……
Who’s next?
The offspring of a tryst between Kim Jong Un and Kim Kardashian?
The resulting Dictator derrière would be truly vote worthy.

#111 Remembrancer on 10.22.19 at 8:28 pm

#102 Miss Anthropic on 10.22.19 at 7:52 pm
I was under the impression that Caroline Mulroney was being groomed for the job of CPC leader.
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With one of her first acts as AG being a party to suspending Charter Rights in Ontario for DoFo to settle scores with Toronto City Council some of the shine has been worn off… She’s been largely untested as Transportation Minister given the Ontario Government’s extended summer vacation so lets wait and see. Also, doesn’t her boss think he’s the guy for the job?

#112 Sideshow Rob on 10.22.19 at 8:37 pm

“Give in to my demands, or I’ll shoot myself! – Garth”

I have to disagree. If the welfare queen (Quebec) leaves, Canada instantly gets wealthier. Quebec? Not so much.
Alberta on the other hand will be a a conservative oil rich country, or even possibly a state and would be very prosperous. Plans are further along than most imagine and the only sticking point is access to tidewater.
The rest of Canada would instantly become 3rd world. The dollar would crater and Canada would find out it has nothing but arrogance and fake virtue to sell to the world. Maybe the feds can slap a carbon tax on that too and try tax themselves into prosperity.

You guys are highly entertaining. – Garth

#113 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 8:37 pm

Give in to my demands, or I’ll shoot myself! – Garth on #31 Bob.

Death is not always the worst option.

And sometimes the only way to fix a problem is to destroy it, and rebuild. Not every tool shed is worth patching the roof. It’s got to come down, be sent to the landfill, and something new must be built.

See, when the energy producing or interested regions of Canada separate, and that would according to my last post include everywhere from interior BC to southern Manitoba, the US will continue to do business with us. That trade, for us, is much more important than anything we do east-west outside that zone. Good-bye transfer payments and Good-bye Quebec. You’ve out-stayed your welcome and drank far to much of our booze never once putting a bottle back in the cabinet.

Quebec really is that argumentative and completely crazy ex-wife that you are just praying for the day the alimony and child support runs out on. This election might have brought the day a lot closer. Freedom does not involve chains.

First you call a child idealist mentally insane then categorize an entire province of people as crazy. I expected more of you. – Garth

#114 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 8:43 pm

#105 Ponzius Pilatus

Umm, no. Most of what goes through Trans-Mountain now, the existing pipeline, is already refined. The fuel you are talking about is the shortfall, as the pipeline isn’t big enough and very little refining capacity exists in Vancouver. They have to import the shortfall from the US. Which the US is happy to provide at a profit.

#115 Shawn Allen on 10.22.19 at 8:50 pm

Bob at 81 quotes the math challenged

“Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pays $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back.

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Amazing that even every baby and unemployed Albertan pays $6000 more than they get back!

Strangely, they (even the Albertan’s who have jobs) do this while paying exactly the same rate of federal taxes as every other Canadian and lower provincial taxes and no provincial sales tax! Must be the new math.

How is it possible? Well, partly due to higher wages in Alberta. Nice problem to have.

Could it be that it is mostly corporations that are paying the excess federal taxes not spent back in Alberta? And could that be because Alberta-based corporations are still making a lot of money? And could it be a fact that many Alberta-based corporations are owned largely by non-Albertans? Why are these corporate federal taxes ascribed to “every Albertan” including babies?

Things to think about…

P.S. I have lived in Alberta now more than half my life. But my only citizenship is Canadian. Be careful giving that citizenship up. Ask Conrad Black how that works out. The TMX has been approved and I understand some construction is underway.

#116 NoName on 10.22.19 at 8:50 pm

#110 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.22.19 at 8:24 pm
@#102 Miss Taken
“I was under the impression that Caroline Mulroney was being groomed for the job of CPC leader.”
++++

Great.
Another family political “dynasty” in the making……
Who’s next?
The offspring of a tryst between Kim Jong Un and Kim Kardashian?
The resulting Dictator derrière would be truly vote worthy.

funny word “derrière”

i know, at least i think that i know, where you picket up up from derrieere. ive seen video last night on twitter, could not sotp lafin’, and
if you happend to know where the bar is my friend aks.

#117 Flop... on 10.22.19 at 8:53 pm

Well, since Canada is all messed up, can Tasmania join now?

Here’s my sales pitch.

It’s not landlocked…

M45BC

#118 Shawn Allen on 10.22.19 at 8:55 pm

Who owns the oil?

#104 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 7:58 pm
If Alberta tries to secede with all that beautiful oil, we’ll just go to war. Easy-peasy. The oil doesn’t belong to the province. Just as an employee can’t leave a company with company equipment.

Same situation as the US civil war.

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And the oil certainly does not belong to every individual Albertan. Much of it has already been leased out to corporations. Some is under former Canadian Pacific land and the crown has never owned it. Some does belong to the province. But as you allude, the province has no right to separate even if its current population were to vote to do so.

#119 Ustabe on 10.22.19 at 8:56 pm

If Alberta tries to secede with all that beautiful oil, we’ll just go to war. Easy-peasy. The oil doesn’t belong to the province. Just as an employee can’t leave a company with company equipment.

Same situation as the US civil war.

War is a bit of an overstatement, no?

What will happen is once the reality of First Nations taking their land and leaving the new Alberta, the Canadian military taking their presence and bases out, the Federal Government setting up boarder controls, the financial institutions developing current, up to date lending and investment practices for the new Alberta. etc. etc. it will be more like a medieval siege.

For tough, conservative manly men, Albertans sure do whine a lot. Wonder what they will do as they slowly erode whatever standard of living they now enjoy.

They won’t even get to enjoy the increased OAS payments!

#120 conan on 10.22.19 at 9:00 pm

I think the Reformed Luddite Party has zenithed, and it’s all down hill, from here.

Was Scheer even running the show? I think he was just the face of someone else’s will.

I think any talk of Alberta separation will politically backfire.

Harper= the Debbie Downer of Canadian Conservatism.

#121 Sideshow Rob on 10.22.19 at 9:02 pm

And here is another Alberta complaint. Atlantic Canada has 2.2 million people and 32 seats. Alberta has 4.3 million people and 34 seats. WTF? So in other words Atlantic Canada nullifies Alberta before the poles in the west are even closed. Explain to us simple folk in Alberta why we should continue to put up with this nonsense.

#122 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 9:03 pm

#62 45north on 10.22.19 at 6:21 pm
Scott: Hopefully over time this mind set will change or better yet electoral reform will allow people to vote for who they want rather than against who they don’t want. Let’s go ranked choice then you can do both!

If only we had a party who would bring in electoral reform.

Oh wait.
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Yeah, “wait” is the operative word here.

Maybe next time, or the time after that…

#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm

#104 Sail Away

Are you nuts? Albertan hunters probably have more guns than the Canadian military. Canada trying a military attack on Alberta would go pretty much like Custard’s last stand. And don’t forget we have half the airplanes. A quick takeover of the base, and don’t forget half those pilots are Albertan, and boom! Canada has nothing! A few planes in Quebec that can’t get here without refueling which they can’t do unless the US provides the refueling, which they won’t.

If Ontario attempts military action on Alberta, here’s how it will go. They will be badly damaged by the time they get through Manitoba, and they will regret having tried to go through Saskatchewan. Then winter will set in, and they will starve. And so will Ontario because of course the gas would be shut off. After that all the Alberta hunters with their 4×4’s and guns will be waiting for them. The idea that Ontario could send a bunch of Antifa, Millennials, and transgenders to Alberta and win a war is preposterous. If those folks you are hoping to sign up actually do, which they won’t. After the humiliating defeat, you would have to hope we have no reason to come back and take over Ottawa. Which we won’t, actually. Ottawa can rot in hell. We don’t want it. It’s a place of rot.

Don’t forget. Modern war is simple. If you have the oil, you win.

Now go charge up your iPhone on Alberta energy.

#124 John on 10.22.19 at 9:12 pm

“Umm, no. Most of what goes through Trans-Mountain now, the existing pipeline, is already refined.”

umm wrong. Do your homework. Only 15% of what comes through is refined (all of that mostly stays in BC). Half the crude goes to Wash State refineries and about 10% goes on tankers to Asia. The rest of the crude stays in Burnaby.

#125 Remembrancer on 10.22.19 at 9:18 pm

#108 Also in Cowtown on 10.22.19 at 8:17 pm
#68 Leo

“I’ve heard talk that there are US funded lobby groups that fuel this in-fighting…. since its in their national interest, it would not supersize me to find out that its true.”
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Simple chaos as the objective is a strategy, for instance the blog poster handles that show up here with names not seen before stirring the pot may be nation state actors, their proxies, independent contractors, corporate shills or just simple internet jerks with nothing better to do…

#126 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:25 pm

First you call a child idealist mentally insane then categorize an entire province of people as crazy. I expected more of you. – Garth

Well, I didn’t mention the child idealist in the comment you now commented on, so I consider that a win because you remember what I comment.

We can, I think, leave the child idealist out, and not mention her name again if you prefer.

But idealism of all kinds is really bad. Physics is a real problem and just getting angry because physics won’t provide every child with a unicorn isn’t going to help.

And using children to influence important discussions is disgusting. They aren’t even allowed to drive (or vote or drink). But they are going to set policy?

Life has always been hard. We live in an era when it’s probably less hard than it has ever been. Life is good.

Are we killing the environment? Maybe. But if we weren’t we wouldn’t be here in anywhere near the numbers. The population would be less that 1 billion. Probably a lot less.

So enough about climate hysteria. What about Quebec? Or the west coast of BC? Time to separate. Not all relationships can last. You are right, Quebecers are not crazy, they are just taking advantage of the things we should have stopped long ago. They are acting in their own self interest. But it’s not in my interest.

Maybe you should stop sipping WCS, get out of the cabin and go visit Montreal and Quebec City. – Garth

#127 bubu on 10.22.19 at 9:27 pm

Newfoundland voted Liberals after the entire province worked in AB oil patch… I remember how everybody was telling me how good friends they were….. really?

#128 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 9:31 pm

It’s sad to see the input from the Albertans here, although after Trudeau’s bungled handling of the pipeline issues I don’t blame ‘em one bit. You can be sure Justin is getting a good dose of the repercussions for handing the Natives and the activists the power he has. Or should I say, HAD after getting wiped out in AB and SK.

All I can say is what I always say, don’t worry, be a “hard target”. Keep Calm, and “Avoid” on. Don’t pay ‘em. Knock 10% off your remittances. If all you folks did that it’d be a chopping maul right through the peace tower spire.

You want them to listen? Make ‘em an offer they can’t refuse. Grab your shovel and EMPTY the trough. Meanwhile, you can enjoy a 50 cent home brew and plan your next move aside the wood stove.

I think the steerage section has lost it. – Garth

#129 Mr. Frugal on 10.22.19 at 9:36 pm

#42 Smoking Man on 10.22.19 at 5:13 pm
Quickest way to get a green card is to move to Alberta.
Wexit is on!!
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I would like to see the west split and join the US. Then I’d like to see the west block apply tolls to both the Transcanada highway and the CN railway. Alberta can send their oil south to the US. Good luck to BC. A port is no good without rail. If the Liberals in Atlantic Canada and Quebec want a fight bring it on.

#130 NoName on 10.22.19 at 9:37 pm

#104 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 7:58 pm

And the oil certainly does not belong to every individual Albertan. Much of it has already been leased out to corporations. Some is under former Canadian Pacific land and the crown has never owned it. Some does belong to the province. But as you allude, the province has no right to separate even if its current population were to vote to do so.

I am sure i’ve heard similar argument in way back in 90s…

#131 MF on 10.22.19 at 9:51 pm

#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm

Dumbest comment I’ve ever read. Sounds like Napoleon invading Russia more than anything remotely close to Canada.

Alberta separatism starts and ends quickly with geography. It’s landlocked and a bunch of hunters won’t ever change that.

MF

#132 Barb on 10.22.19 at 9:56 pm

Well that’s a first…

Comments are funnier than what our host offered tonight.

#133 Shawn Allen on 10.22.19 at 9:59 pm

Unfair System?

#121 Sideshow Rob on 10.22.19 at 9:02 pm
And here is another Alberta complaint. Atlantic Canada has 2.2 million people and 32 seats. Alberta has 4.3 million people and 34 seats. WTF? So in other words Atlantic Canada nullifies Alberta before the poles in the west are even closed. Explain to us simple folk in Alberta why we should continue to put up with this nonsense.

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THAT is a very legitimate beef. In contrast, I don’t think proportional representation is a good idea at all. (No more majority governments, ever).

But if the house of commons ridings are supposed to represent representation by by population, then why don’t they?

Unfortunately, I suspect it it is in the constitution from the days when Atlantic Canada was more dominant.

By the way, just to add some fuel to the fire of ire, Quebec is also over-represented I believe and has constitutional guarantees to keep it so.

Not a perfect system. But things are not really that terrible.

#134 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 10:06 pm

#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm
#104 Sail Away

Are you nuts? Albertan hunters probably have more guns than the Canadian military.
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Well, the CAF would be showing up with Colt C7A2 assault rifles… I’d pass taking that $h!t on with a semi-auto long gun, wouldn’t you? I’d pass big time – did I say that already?

Seriously dude, I can understand you’re pissed, but you’d be happier with a plan and some action. Grumbling and fantasizing does JACK.

Make a plan, execute, be happy, and bide your time. Fracking won’t last forever, and the day will come when the US will need AB oil once more, and Ottawa will want a slice of that action. You know what that means…

#135 PastThePeak on 10.22.19 at 10:08 pm

Sounds like some would find this of interest.

https://www.change.org/p/alberta-alberta-separation-western-alliance

#136 Phylis on 10.22.19 at 10:11 pm

Alberta/Sask, hold your cards. Now is not the time to act quickly. Your resource is your ace. Hold it until the others beg you for it. Bluffing is not not needed with strong hands. Capitulation is for others, always has been always will. There will be pain.
Wexit is a problem to be recognized. Here we go. Nothing new 70s again.

#137 PastThePeak on 10.22.19 at 10:12 pm

#131 MF on 10.22.19 at 9:51 pm
#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm

Dumbest comment I’ve ever read. Sounds like Napoleon invading Russia more than anything remotely close to Canada.

Alberta separatism starts and ends quickly with geography. It’s landlocked and a bunch of hunters won’t ever change that.

MF
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Many countries in Europe are land locked, and have been successful for centuries.

Switzerland is one of the richest countries per capita in the world.

You will have to try harder than continually using that canard.

#138 Drill Baby Drill on 10.22.19 at 10:13 pm

Western Canada needs and must have a renegotiated transfer payment scheme. Confederation is not working out. I will concede to trying this renegotiation tract first before Alta, Sask and interior BC apply for an official divorce.

#139 NoName on 10.22.19 at 10:16 pm

#91 Shane Thomas on 10.22.19 at 7:23 pm

Funny thing that you mentioned Argentina. Way back long time ago Australia and Argentina were places to be. Both very prosperous countries, immigrants were flooding them.

Now question is why some 60 yrs later they ended up in very different situations, one prosperous and second one not as much NB with very similar makeup of climate and resources. Short and simple answer is one started educating there own populace and other one keep relaying on imigtants. It might be over simplification but there are papers and book vriten about it, very interesting read.

Did I mention that i only have grade 9 education so don’t take my work for use confusor and gargle it.

#140 John Martin on 10.22.19 at 10:20 pm

Minority govts. can do good work.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/lester-bowles-pearson

M82Mb.

#141 Wowzers on 10.22.19 at 10:21 pm

The comments are absolutely hilarious today.

From talks of war with Alberta to Custard’s last stand.

I see what you were talking about the other day Garth. Don’t shut it down please it’s hilarious to read out of touch boomer commentary.

#142 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 10:30 pm

#136 Phylis on 10.22.19 at 10:11 pm
Alberta/Sask, hold your cards. Now is not the time to act quickly. Your resource is your ace. Hold it until the others beg you for it. Bluffing is not not needed with strong hands. Capitulation is for others, always has been always will.
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Some wise words here. Be cool Albertans, your day will come. You’re pi$$ed but – a lot of us in Ontario actually empathize, plenty of blue here outside the GTA. We need the Oil industry out here too, my second largest customer is an icon in the refining industry.

#143 yvr_lurker on 10.22.19 at 10:32 pm

I can understand that many who earn their living in oil and gas are pissed at T2 going to call the shots for the next 4 years. However, all of the talk and rubbish about separating is just that…rubbish. Jason Kenney can run around and scream all he wants like the angry red-faced cartoon character in the movie Inside Out, but that won’t help…
I think it is clear that going forward the oil and resource sector is entering a stage of long-term slow contraction . On a more minor scale, but important as well, the Foresty sector in BC is in long-term decline. If T2 and his cronies are smart they will work with Kenney and offer up considerable resources ($$, subsidies, and skill building etc..) for training those workers who seek to leave these old resource jobs to transition to something else (alternative energy, windpower, etc..??). Think of the Cod Fishery in Atlantic Cod, but based on a more slow chronic decline than sudden extinction. Alberta’s oil has been a great asset to the financial bottom line of Canada’s well-being for many years. It would be great if there was some concrete plan for reciprocity for those who have to transition to new types of employment. People need good jobs to support their families. This comment is relevant whether or not the pipeline is built.

My wife’s nephew who is 30 and who has worked in the oil field for 10 years is currently retraining as a video game developer (his choice). No family or kids to support and has been addicted to video games as a man-child for as long as I can remember. He fortunately knows something about programming. I hope it works for him.

#144 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 10:35 pm

#128 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 9:31 pm

[Blah, blah, blah…]

I think the steerage section has lost it. – Garth
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Elections + LCBO

Speaking of the LC, where is Smoking Man?

#145 Deplorable Dude on 10.22.19 at 10:48 pm

#113 Nonplused…”They have to import the shortfall from the US. Which the US is happy to provide at a profit.”

Yep, it comes from Puget Sound suppliers, who effectively control the price of gas in all of BC with that small amount they sell to us…as the Alberta suppliers can basically follow whatever the US charges us.

Strikes me as totally insane that Canada has to import any oil given our reserves.

#146 Sick to my stomache Canadian on 10.22.19 at 10:51 pm

I basically give up on this side of the border we’re screwed, what with all these clowns that lost bragging about their great wins. Gotta be worried about fat orange Donny though. Even with the rough day for him he hasn’t tweeted any lies or hate for hours…. oh wait I know, he’s waiting for orders from his boss but can’t get a hold of him while he is travelling between Sochi and Moscow.

#147 not 1st on 10.22.19 at 11:05 pm

#131 MF on 10.22.19 at 9:51 pm

Maybe you haven’t noticed but North Dakota is land locked too.

let me explain something to people who have no idea. If AB joins the US, their assets would be immediately denominated in US currency and everyone would be 30% richer over night. Ab would immediately be free of equalization payments so another $20B saved. Ab would then be subject to US tax code which means every household would pay 30% less in taxes. Even of another pipeline is never built, we would be billions richer.

But the US would flood the region with capital and investment and rock that crude out of there like crazy. Doesn’t need to go to tidewater anymore, goes to US Midwest refineries but since the product is worth 30% more, ABs don’t care anymore.

ABs other exports like ag commodities go to the US to and travel out on barge at a fraction of the cost going over the rockies.

#148 Sold Out on 10.22.19 at 11:06 pm

Are you Alberta secessionists aware of what threats of stomping off in a huff have done for Quebec’s economy? Go ahead, kick yourselves in the nards, it’ll save the RoC from having to do it.

Do you think Kenney is going to lead the Cons to glory one day, and get that pipeline built? He’s even more closely associated with Harperism than Scheer. How did that work out for ya? Kenney has dropped the ball already; the RoC has seen what a little martinet he is, and nobody’s buying his socially illiberal, bully-boy rhetoric.

The only way a pipeline will ever be laid is if it’s owned by First Nations, with a strong environmental assessment regime, and a serious carbon tax.

Alberta may host a new pipeline, but it won’t mean that Alberta owns it.

#149 Mark Simpson on 10.22.19 at 11:13 pm

Garth – I appreciate this blog and all that you do but for the love of God, please shut the comment section down. Somebody actually put time and effort into outlining how a war between AB and the rest of Canada would proceed. Seriously, we’ve hit rock bottom.

#150 President of the CBC-News Division on 10.22.19 at 11:16 pm

“At the risk of sounding obsequious, I would have liked to have seen Mr. Turner on CBC or CTV, last night, and laying this out for the sullen crowd. ”

They were going to but they ran out of seats. With those thirty-three people they already had Rosemary Barton looking at and informing them that they had something to say while the person stared back blankly at her before mumbling some nonsense that may or may not have had anything to do with the election. Also now I understand why that Althea woman kept knocking on my door all summer. Well I don’t understand really but she did admit it was her. Additionally they played some sad rap nonsense so I switched back to American tv.

#151 SoggyShorts on 10.22.19 at 11:23 pm

#74 Millennial Realist on 10.22.19 at 6:43 pm
Paleo Boomers:

The fragmenting of this vote is a perfect metaphor for the decline of Boomer Con influence.

Change is here. It is murky and confusing as it begins, but that is normal. A new generation is taking over.

Look west, Boomers.

Your sun is setting.
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So wait…this election result is your “Boomers becoming irrelevant” outcome? This is the big victory for mills that you forecasted?

Seems a little…pathetic? I mean what exactly did you take from the wrinklies? A boost to their OAS payments and more fuel on the RE fire keeping homeownership out of your reach doesn’t seem like a win for you…Huge increases in federal debt that those boomers won’t have to pay back a penny of since they’ll be gone? How does that help you?

#152 Tarauna Huh on 10.22.19 at 11:31 pm

“#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm ”

I have spent a ton of time in western Canada, met a lot of dummies like you. This guy at one place was ranting and raving carrying on just like you about those guys from Ontario. We had chatted for probably about 45 minutes at that point and the rant comes to an end and he looks me right in the eye and says obviously you not one of those self centered shit don’t stink guys from there though, you from Alberta? So I told him born on University Ave. in downtown Toronto and raised in and around Toronto. He gawked for a minute and then wandered away.

#153 Bob Dole on 10.22.19 at 11:38 pm

@#5 – The Wet One
You understand how numbers work…right?
Did you happen to look at the map?
Canada was extremely blue…turns out people who work in fields (Farmers/Oil Workers), in the bush (Forestry), in mines (Other extractive work), AKA those in physical jobs (not at a desk), really don’t like the Liberals.
Get a grip.

#154 fishman on 10.22.19 at 11:53 pm

I escaped the bitter taste of losing last nite . Pete Townsend & Roger Daltry for 3 straight hours, nonstop. 60 piece symphony orchestra, conductor,pro backup. Pete got in a couple split jumps too. Maybe he only got inches off the floor, both feet that is. But heh, these guys are 3/4 to the 100 yard line. So there Millenial Realist, us paleo boomers aren’t irrelevant: yet. Lil Potato & the Jaegermeister can never rock like us old rockers & rockettes can.
Besides,its good medicine to take your mind off the pain of another setback. Suck it up boomer bloggie doggies & Rock On!

#155 Sail Away on 10.22.19 at 11:56 pm

Can anyone seriously consider Alberta separation? Quebec, sure, let them go if they want, but not the country’s main source of stored wealth for Pete’s sake!

The whole argument is beyond belief. It’s like squatters moving into a house, then arguing it’s their right to take the house with them when they leave.

#156 Rod on 10.23.19 at 12:00 am

Two points I would like to make.
First the pipeline, why does Alberta blame Trudeau for the lack of getting it built? He has only been the head of the country for 4 years, Harper had more than a decade to get it done, he couldn’t bring it home either.

Second point, the west does have representation in Ottawa, the west has Liberal, NDP, Greens and one independent representing it. If B.C. is the west!

#157 Canuck on 10.23.19 at 12:07 am

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part10.htm

Being landlocked isn’t an issue.

#158 Piano_Man87 on 10.23.19 at 12:14 am

The Greens blew the best chance they ever had at electing members?

Garth, do you think environmental issues are just going to go away? They are getting worse every year. Expect Green Party support to correlate.

#159 Astronaft on 10.23.19 at 12:14 am

#40 Stone on 10.22.19 at 5:07 pm
#31 Bob on 10.22.19 at 4:37 pm

Bob, do you understand the concept of a landlocked country? If Alberta did what you propose, Alberta would be lucky to there.
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I am not an expert. But the future is in electronic communications, flying drones, innovation. Being landlocked is not an end of the world.

#160 DON on 10.23.19 at 1:07 am

#114 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 8:43 pm

#105 Ponzius Pilatus

Umm, no. Most of what goes through Trans-Mountain now, the existing pipeline, is already refined. The fuel you are talking about is the shortfall, as the pipeline isn’t big enough and very little refining capacity exists in Vancouver. They have to import the shortfall from the US. Which the US is happy to provide at a profit.
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Didn’t they shutter some of the refining capacity in Vancouver in the past?

I see the benefits in exporting more crude from Alberta and using the profits to diversify local economies to prevent boom/bust conditions as much as possible.

People seem to be taking this issue to extreme arguments and actions. If Trudeau runs a minority government issue by issue there is no reason why the federal pipeline won’t be approved, it’s just twinning the existing route. Quebec would be happy to approve it, with the Conservatives…so problem solved. Of course that won’t help Albertans now, which is what is needed. Oil companies got tax breaks and workers not so much. There seems to be a lot of anger lately, which is understandable. This has happened before, would be nice to stop the cycle. The other side of the argument should understand that it takes time to change especially when we still rely heavily on oil for stable incomes, revenue, most transportation and employment for families. Global slowdown doesn’t help either does gauging those who need to put gas in our cars (its not all taxes -especially the recent 18 cent increase BC just experienced. People in my travels are willing to go electric for day to day use and keep a gas one for long distance, when needed. The shift to electric may just be a step on the way to a more sustainable type of energy or combination of energies as the scientific community continues to investigate. Who knows what the future holds. As for the conservatives they need to go back to their roots, that’s the one thing they are doing wrong. It’s really that simple or so it seems. Trudeau is about to suck up to Alberta, his ego doesn’t like loosing the votes. What is clear is that our voting options were weak.

If 50% of voters mark “None of the Above” on ballet, a care taker government is installed until the parties revamp whatever they need to revamp. A line in the sand for our state of democracy.

#161 Bob Dog on 10.23.19 at 1:07 am

I was taught when I was young that cooperation is a good thing.

Why shouldn’t that apply our government?

https://youtu.be/kihZUsADQTQ

#162 DON on 10.23.19 at 1:13 am

If Alberta leaves Canada, BC is leaving as well… hello California and Washington State. “Cascadia” coming to a theatre near you!

#163 Smoking Man on 10.23.19 at 1:19 am

Hey James, Mf

I’m living in Trump’s America.
You are Bend over, T2 is coming for your last cent then your spent toilet paper when toilet paper can not be found in the stores. Welcome to socialism..

I’m safe. Saw it long time ago. Alien DNA thing.

Enjoy this tune.

https://youtu.be/c5BL4RNFr58

#164 DON on 10.23.19 at 1:38 am

#83 Ustabe on 10.22.19 at 7:08 pm

Look at it this way…if every single person you meet in a day, from person one to end of day you feel is an idiot maybe the problem lies less with them and more with you.
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But sometimes I do meet a bunch of idiots in the course of my day. Starting with the guy that speeds down my road every morning in his dodge dual exhaust monster through a school zone. Maybe not an idiot but definitely a Jack Ass! I definitely see a lot of Jack asses out there lately.

#165 CalgaryCarGuy on 10.23.19 at 1:42 am

Re #123 by Nonplused

Best post EVER! WTF are you candy-assed easterners going to fight with? Hockey sticks?

#166 SoggyShorts on 10.23.19 at 2:02 am

#134 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 10:06 pm
#123 Nonplused on 10.22.19 at 9:08 pm
#104 Sail Away
Fracking won’t last forever, and the day will come when the US will need AB oil once more, and Ottawa will want a slice of that action. You know what that means…
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I dunno…the states has 2 Trillion barrels worth of fracking oil which is enough for over 150 years of Global consumption.
I don’t think they’ll come begging for ours any time soon.

#167 SoggyShorts on 10.23.19 at 2:07 am

Whoops, did a little more reading and I guess there’s closer to 6 trillion barrels worth in the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_reserves

#168 Land Locked on 10.23.19 at 2:24 am

I could be mistaken but Alberta is land locked today. There are railways, highways and multiple pipelines leading to tide water. An observant person would notice the trains travel to, as well as from alberta, as do trucks. The same person with a basic grasp of Geography would note China is much closer to Alberta than Toronto. Finally, any province can leave if it gets greater than 50% of the vote. That is the law.

#169 will on 10.23.19 at 3:14 am

Regarding a trans-mountain pipeline:

No oil expert here but I think it has to do with profitability – or rather non-profitability. If it could be profitable then industry would have been greenlighted a long time ago to build. But industry does not think it would be profitable so they won’t. So why should government do something industry refuses to do? Industry is the expert. The question has been reduced to a fake political question. Industry knows it and so does government, but neither can say so. Price of oil has to at the very least double and there would have to be some indication that prices would hold long enough to make the whole thing worthwhile. (lotsa luck with that). Oil is an exceedingly complex commodity. Alberta’s inventory is stranded and most of it is very low quality (tar sands) requiring a lot of refinement and dilution before it can even enter a pipeline. The good grades are already piped reliably to the US. Well those are my ideas tonight. Good night all.

#170 crazyfox on 10.23.19 at 3:41 am

#133 Shawn Allen on 10.22.19 at 9:59 pm

It’s nothing to get histrionic about. Take a look and compare population with riding counts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_population

The isolated regions are over represented by pop as is needed and Alberta’s representation is diluted somewhat from growth but so is Ontario and BC. We are 4 years away from a mandatory election. I would imagine expanded seat counts will come into place where necessary to reflect population growth meaning more seats in Ontario, BC, Alberta and Manitoba within 4 years.

#171 crazyfox on 10.23.19 at 5:37 am

It’s mildly entertaining to read separatist arguments from east and west void of critical thinking, truly but at some point, reason has to put it to rest so here goes.

Unless it can be proven that there has been a tremendous unjust regional bias regarding taxation, equality, human rights and the rule of law, no amount of arguments for “superior” representation such as language, culture and wealth, will work (at least, morally or ethically).

Take for example the Bloc, telling its followers that the Bloc has a better vision for its people, that language and culture is all that matters, that somehow, the Bloc of Quebec will be “superior” in the context of trade and international representation abroad and domestically, or that the Bloc’s own rule of law will be “superior” within a nation that is governed under the bill and charter of rights. None of these arguments hold water. Nations are not nations because of the languages they speak, but because of the meanings behind the words spoken. Cultural diversity is an asset, not a liability. Imagine being a human being in a world with just one culture, you guessed it, a boring world of suppression of expression and make no mistake, the rule of law in Canada is the envy of the modern age.

Who has more clout? A Bloc of 8.2 million… or a Bloc of 37 million…? Same goes for Alberta. A block of 4.3 million, or a block of 37 million and its not just the numbers. Walking away from a nation that guarantee’s equality at first in the bill of rights and later, the charter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

Btw, it is a masterpiece of legislation. It’s arguably the rule of law at it’s finest because it specifically enshrines human rights. Separatists attack it because it kills their legitimacy and saps their argument for separation because there is literally no guarantee that a new government in a brand new nation will give its people the same rights and rule of law. Like, none. Partisan’s hate it because they didn’t come up with it first, or didn’t have the vision to try or it came from T1 “with all that baggage” but at the end of the day, regardless of who’s watch it came from under, its a masterpiece.

I’ve seen these arguments over and over by separatists who fancy themselves as “pioneers” and “fathers” of a new nation but way more often than not, they are self interested, glory seeking dreamers trying to re-invent the wheel, telling people the grass will be greener and promising the moon while preaching what we have is terrible and things could be so much better and its blah, blah, blah. The motive is so deliberate, it’s banal.

What little separatists know. Trying to re-invent the wheel. Telling everyone how bad we’ve got it and it can be so much better while turning a blind eye to just how much effort and sacrifice it has already taken by our fathers and forefathers to make this nation as great as it is. It didn’t come easy. Nothing worth fighting for ever is and people that have fought that good fight know Canada’s present and future value and potential, they know it’s ideals, what it stands for and its a nation that when you dust off the passport and travel abroad, I guarantee a certain amount of pride and privilege of being born into or landed here kind of serendipity hits you, the acknowledgement of how lucky you have it here at home because it can always be worse and internationally, so often is.

1 in 7 billion people are still going to the bathroom in the streets. The slums:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ten+Worst+Slums&FORM=IRMHRS

The crowds and pollution:

https://www.ecstasycoffee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Bangladesh.jpg

We have no clue. The third world conditions and the the pollution everywhere, not just in China or Asia but in large cities throughout North America, the crowds and conditions, those who complain the most take little if any stock in how lucky we are. I mean, its far from perfect but to hear complaints from Canadians about Canada concerning wealth and prosperity “in Alberta” is to myopically not know how the rest of Canada or for that matter, the world lives (or why they elected an NDP government 5 years ago). The majority of the world doesn’t have basic human rights enshrined in their rule of law and in the worst case scenario’s there is none. And, it shows!

Canadian separatists want to whine and tell us how shitty they have it because their political party favorite didn’t win in a fair election, let them cry, I’m fresh out of towels for crocodile rears. Only the thick and dense is too dullard to understand that the outcome of a fight for a lost cause war, win or lose, is defeat.

#172 Okotoksmatt on 10.23.19 at 6:19 am

Thanks Canada. My province is looking towards leaving now. As soon as I can stop making my sizable quarterly payments to Revenue Canada I will gladly do it. Very little of it funds education, health or infrastructure in Alberta. I would love for it to go straight to Edmonton.
We will be a poor, landlocked country like Switzerland or Austria. We will save $20 billion annually. All you had to do was build two or three small pipelines for us but that was too much to ask. Now the golden goose will swim in its own pond. When oil peaks in 2050 we will have a sizable heritage fund to live off of. Good luck supporting Quebec and the maritimes on your own.

#173 NoName on 10.23.19 at 6:52 am

That land locked argument worked 5 years ago when whitrose was around, now not so much. Much more emotions at play now.

Yrs ago during hyper I stated it’s only fed gov that can resolve pipeline and lack of capacity or something along those lines. Than new gov came in and pulled oakvile on Alberta with this climate change sham…

But don’t take my word for it research it your self.

People from Alberta I feel for you, except for shavn alan, but no worries there you will come around when you become aware of your regular fellow working stiff citizens struggle…

#174 M.T. on 10.23.19 at 6:56 am

**Somebody actually put time and effort into outlining how a war between AB and the rest of Canada would proceed.

If that’s your first time seeing a civil-war hypothetical, you have no idea what goes on on the internet. It gets wayyyy more in-depth than that analysis.

#175 akashic record on 10.23.19 at 7:00 am

I think the steerage section has lost it. – Garth

The concept of “steerage section” is elitist political paternalism.

Shut up and keep rowing. – Garth

#176 Captain Uppa on 10.23.19 at 7:02 am

Good grief people are such drama queens (and kings). We live in the best time known to the human race and people are having panic attacks over a Liberal minority government.

Everyone is so high strung these days even though we basically live in paradise. Sure we still have issues to resolve, some quite large, but overall life in this country is amazing and we will find solutions.

Stop complaining and put all this raging energy into making your community better. Start there.

#177 MF on 10.23.19 at 7:04 am

#163 Smoking Man on 10.23.19 at 1:19 am

No you are not. You are living in California..a heavy blue state in which real Trumpers want to see leave the union. Calexit has been around for a while now.

Warren, AOC and 50% of the population that vote Democrat are coming for your money too.

Welcome to 2019 in the western world.

That’s the problem with your posts. Tons of extropection and zero introspection.

MF

#178 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.23.19 at 7:06 am

#141 Wowzers on 10.22.19 at 10:21 pm
The comments are absolutely hilarious today.

From talks of war with Alberta to Custard’s last stand.

I see what you were talking about the other day Garth. Don’t shut it down please it’s hilarious to read out of touch boomer commentary.
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Custard’s last stand?
He never had a chance.
The natives just ate him up.

#179 MF on 10.23.19 at 7:12 am

#168 Land Locked on 10.23.19 at 2:24 am

An astute reader would also have been able to read and comprehend what the Clarity Act is.

This super bright astute student of provincial law and geography might also be able to grasp the problem a landlocked land mass has with the phenomena known as blockade.

MF

#180 Remembrancer on 10.23.19 at 7:14 am

#168 Land Locked on 10.23.19 at 2:24 am
The same person with a basic grasp of Geography would note China is much closer to Alberta than Toronto.
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If you had a basic grasp of geography you’d know Calgary to Toronto is 3400KM, Calgary to Beijing is 8800km. How about you take your belt and hit the road…

#181 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.23.19 at 7:25 am

The cons in steerage were drinking hard last night.
Even the ‘Stoic’ IHTC let his guard down.
Thanks Garth, for giving them a shoulder to cry on.
An important public service, for sure.

#182 maxx on 10.23.19 at 7:29 am

#8 expat on 10.22.19 at 3:14 pm

“Canada just became an area with regions
Not a nation”

The regions are pissed with each other, and not a little bit. Shame. I can only imagine the strength and beauty this country could live in were it to synchronize all of its huge ability and energy.

I marvel at this Canadian personality and at the same time am very sad that we fell prey to the rotten carrot of cheap money.

Money problems always get in the way of doing better.

#183 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.23.19 at 7:32 am

@#166 Soggy
“I dunno…the states has 2 Trillion barrels worth of fracking oil which is enough for over 150 years of Global consumption.
I don’t think they’ll come begging for ours any time soon.”
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Climate change with be the impetus for a revamp of the oil industry.
I’m thinking that the auto industry will continue getting into electric vehicles in a huge way, ships, trains, etc.
planes arent there yet.

Plastics? The big bug bear for the petroleum industry and pollution.
Until plastic is dealt with (paper bags again?, glass bottles?, cans?).

It would be a shame to see Alberta become a have not province 50 years after they separate but on the up side….
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq,Libya, etc would be unable to keep funding their dictatorships and wars…..

#184 Phylis on 10.23.19 at 7:54 am

PEI could fare with 1 seat. It’s all the same. Time to Ford that place.

#185 Phylis on 10.23.19 at 7:58 am

Oh, and Toronto has how many councillors and how many feds? Time to cut those feds to 1 too.

#186 Bob on 10.23.19 at 8:09 am

#98 leebow on 10.22.19 at 7:44 pm

#46 Bob

When did you move to Alberta?

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Moved to Canada in 1988. Lived in T.O for 5 years then moved to Vancouver for 13 years. Lived in Calgary for about 16 years now. My work involves helping businesses from the southern Alberta border to Fort Mac in the north. The last 5 years have been bad in Alberta. Seen many people suffer financially. This was unnecessary.

#187 Dharma Bum on 10.23.19 at 8:21 am

#148 Sold Out

Alberta may host a new pipeline, but it won’t mean that Alberta owns it.
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The new PIPEline goes straight to Ottawa:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZ3YCPr7LlAhWChOAKHca5DeEQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreenrushdaily.com%2Fproducts%2Fgenius-pipe%2F&psig=AOvVaw0QxKKRRottCIhhYuPBevOY&ust=1571919609665003

#188 Dharma Bum on 10.23.19 at 8:29 am

#164 Don

I definitely see a lot of Jack asses out there lately.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynkZ9O1D4jY

#189 NoName on 10.23.19 at 8:31 am

There goes my future prospect of being employed…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/22/ai-hiring-face-scanning-algorithm-increasingly-decides-whether-you-deserve-job/

And this, people at work always wonder why I always grumpy.

interesting read

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190409135838.htm

#190 Phylis on 10.23.19 at 8:31 am

A little story to think about. It was a nice day. The local substation was being replaced and I took a stroll. The site and project manager both happened to be there, so it was time to chat. “This transformer doesn’t look very old, why is it being replaced?” “Well, the life is only 30 years, so it’s due”. I thought 30 years seems kinda short, but no reason to challenge him. On to the next question, “does the size of the new transformer calculation take into account the demand load of the future electric vehicle charging?” Yep, one word answer, “No”. Have a nice day. Change is slow.

#191 Remembrancer on 10.23.19 at 8:32 am

#147 not 1st on 10.22.19 at 11:05 pm
#131 MF on 10.22.19 at 9:51 pm

let me explain something to people who have no idea. If AB joins the US, their assets would be immediately denominated in US currency and everyone would be 30% richer over night
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Speaking of no idea, you can add basic exchange to the things you’re wrong about…

Using your hypothetical exchange rate, the value of your assets would be DENOMINATED in US$ but the VALUE would be approximately 30% less ie that CDN $100 set of spurs would be worth US $70 not US $100… Unless someone in say Fargo wants to pay over the market rate in Calgary… More simply the $$ you exchange would be US $70 for CDN $100 – but don’t expect that generous a market rate…

#192 earthboundmisfit on 10.23.19 at 8:33 am

Don’t you just love the naivety of the 905?

#193 NYCer on 10.23.19 at 8:39 am

Just a few observations:

Blaming GTA for voting Liberal makes no sense, do they forget that they voted in Doug (who by the way was locked away during campaign, goes to show they thought he was a liability). If immigrants vote Liberal then why did they vote for Doug?

The parties are always trying to buy Quebec and Ontario not just for their riding count but because *shocking* they actually vote for who represents their interests and can actually vote other parties. You see how those provinces have 3-4 parties voted in? If the West continues (AB/SK) to vote for one party, why would the others try to court them knowing it’s a losing battle?

You think AB will praise Justin for getting a pipeline built? They will just complain how long it took. Why didn’t Harper get any of that built?

#194 Remembrancer on 10.23.19 at 8:44 am

#192 earthboundmisfit on 10.23.19 at 8:33 am
Don’t you just love the naivety of the 905?
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not as much as the 289 and 365…

#195 Not easy on 10.23.19 at 9:18 am

If the steerage section is representative of Canadians, imagine leading that.

#196 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.23.19 at 9:19 am

#72 IHCTD9 on 10.22.19 at 6:42 pm sez:

“#23 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.22.19 at 4:12 pm

I’m with Tractor Guy. If you can’t beat ’em join ’em. Gimme my free stuff.

Thanks Millennials!
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lol! Bytor, you’ve missed your calling (stand up comedy!).

Got to live with a smile on your face as much as possible.

One of the things that makes me smile, is small off road vehicles of the YAMAHA persuasion. To think the government will buy one of the over-priced little buggers for me, well that’s like legalizing polygamy and handing out 40’s of Rum on ‘da house – all rolled up in one!”
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To your points:

1)Yamaha- A big 4 wheeler would be a waste where I live, but did you know Yamaha also makes high end audio equipment! Nothin’ better than crankin’ out classic rock on a Yamaha!

2) The good thing about polygamy is that you would have more than one wife. The bad thing about polygamy is that you would have more than one wife.

3) Free rum: I’m in!

Thanks Millennials!

#197 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.23.19 at 9:23 am

@Nonplused:

If you look at the electoral map, “Ontario” didn’t give the Liberals more of the popular vote, “Toronto” did. There’s just as much of a divide between urban/rural Ontario as there is for Canada EAST to WEST.

PS- MF and his ilk should be ashamed.

#198 NoName on 10.23.19 at 9:23 am

@not1st

They don’t have to join us to used their money as “official” tender. Montenegro is nowhere near eu or euzone and they are using euro as currency.

Why don’t you gargle “what countries are using us dollar as medium of exchange”

#199 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.23.19 at 9:30 am

#121 Sideshow Rob on 10.22.19 at 9:02 pm sez:

“And here is another Alberta complaint. Atlantic Canada has 2.2 million people and 32 seats. Alberta has 4.3 million people and 34 seats. WTF? So in other words Atlantic Canada nullifies Alberta before the poles in the west are even closed. Explain to us simple folk in Alberta why we should continue to put up with this nonsense.”
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I was doing a little research and I noticed the same thing. Example: My riding in SW Ontario has 125,000 population and gets, of course, 1 seat. PEI has a total of 157,000 (2019) population and has three seats.

Gerrymandering is a thing.

There was no gerrymandering, since PEI was guaranteed a certain representation when it joined Confederation. Argue with history. – Garth

#200 PastThePeak on 10.23.19 at 9:33 am

#176 Captain Uppa on 10.23.19 at 7:02 am
Good grief people are such drama queens (and kings). We live in the best time known to the human race and people are having panic attacks over a Liberal minority government.

Everyone is so high strung these days even though we basically live in paradise. Sure we still have issues to resolve, some quite large, but overall life in this country is amazing and we will find solutions.

Stop complaining and put all this raging energy into making your community better. Start there.
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Your “paradise” is not affordable – hence record world debt and rising debt-to-GDP ratio.

And people can complain if they want to Captain Toronto. Despite what you believe, the world doesn’t revolve around you and you don’t get to control other peoples lives. Now bugger off and go sit in traffic…

#201 oh bouy on 10.23.19 at 9:41 am

@#176 Captain Uppa on 10.23.19 at 7:02 am
Good grief people are such drama queens (and kings). We live in the best time known to the human race and people are having panic attacks over a Liberal minority government.

Everyone is so high strung these days even though we basically live in paradise. Sure we still have issues to resolve, some quite large, but overall life in this country is amazing and we will find solutions.

Stop complaining and put all this raging energy into making your community better. Start there.
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same thing happens every election time.
left or right, folks don’t like when their ‘team’ loses.
sun comes up the next day and everyone moves on.

#202 Land Locked on 10.23.19 at 9:47 am

Canadians don’t value our fossil fuel economy, which explains why so many are OK to trash pipelines and see Alberta tank. Only 19 per cent think it more important to pursue oil and gas development than to go green and regulate oil, according to EKOS polling. That 19 per cent figure shrinks to eight per cent for Canadians who consider themselves Liberals, six per cent for NDPers and two per cent for those who vote Green, meaning that politicians of most stripes have no interest in alienating their supporters to help Alberta’s energy economy recover.

Those figures also explain why Alberta’s sense of alienation is on the rise. According to Ipsos, fully 62 per cent believe Alberta “does not get its fair share from Confederation” (up from 45 per cent two decades ago), 46 per cent feel more attached to their province than to their country (up from 39 per cent) and 34 per cent “feel less committed to Canada than I did a few years ago” (up from 22 per cent). Just 18 per cent of Albertans believe “the views of western Canadians are adequately represented in Ottawa.”

‘I’m afraid for Canada’: Energy CEOs losing patience with country’s indifference to oilpatch’s plight
Canada’s Catalonia? Careful Ottawa, western alienation is beginning to rear its head again
‘Heavy-handed’ intervention will not alleviate Alberta’s pain in long term
One-quarter of Albertans now believe Alberta “would be better off if it separated from Canada,” a number that may well rise if the provincial economy founders, and would certainly rise if Albertans realized that they need Canada a lot less than Canada needs them. Without Alberta’s wealth and foreign-exchange earnings, the living standard of Canadians outside Alberta would drop and the Canadian dollar would plummet, likely leading to inflation as the cost of imports rose. Albertans, in contrast, would see their affluence rise and, because oil sales are denominated in U.S. dollars, Alberta would be largely insulated from the inflation to its east and west.

Those pooh-poohing independence claim Alberta, being land-locked, would be held hostage if it were an independent state. Those scoffers have it backwards. Alberta is today held hostage, its pipelines east and west kiboshed by its fellow Canadians. If Alberta were independent, its newfound bargaining power would certainly cause the Rest of Canada to capitulate, and speed to completion any and all pipelines Alberta needed to either ocean.

An independent Alberta would control access to its land mass as well as the skies above it, requiring Canada’s federal government to negotiate rights for, say, Vancouver-to-Toronto flights over Alberta airspace. Canada would also need Alberta’s agreement to have trains and trucks cross its now-international borders. Threats of tolls and tariffs could abound as needed to chasten those perceived to be wronging Alberta, whether Quebec, which exports dairy to B.C., grain interests that now commandeer rail to the detriment of Alberta’s oil shippers, or the B.C. ports that depend on commodities going to and from points east. Anyone thinking that Alberta would be unable to police its borders needs to be reminded that, for the past 70 years, Alberta’s patrols have made it the continent’s only rat-free jurisdiction.

Should Alberta become a credible threat to leave the federation, the debate would embolden Quebec separatists, make Canada seem unstable and scare off investment

The Rest of Canada has other reasons to avoid pushing Albertans to the point of separation. Should Alberta become a credible threat to leave the Canadian federation, the debate would likely embolden Quebec separatists, make Canada seem unstable and scare off both domestic and international investment. Alberta would have the United States as a bargaining chip, too: Manifest Destiny, the U.S. dream of controlling the entire continent, would experience a revival at the prospect of welcoming Alberta as its 51st state, strengthening America’s influence over the world’s energy markets and, in particular, over a now energy-dependent Rest of Canada.

While history suggests Alberta would almost surely be better off outside Canada — Singapore, Norway, Taiwan, the Czech Republic and other breakaways have generally thrived — divorce would be messy, costly in the short term and unnecessary. The Supreme Court of Canada made separation plausible — separation negotiations would start as soon as a clear majority of Albertans in a clearly stated referendum voted to leave Canada. It wouldn’t take too many more blows to Alberta’s economy and Albertans’ pride for the 46 per cent who now see themselves more as Albertans than Canadians to become 56 per cent or even 66 per cent, figures setting Canada on a path to dismemberment.

The last time Alberta was pushed toward the brink, it argued that “the West wants in.” The next time it might argue that “Alberta wants out.” The Rest of Canada needs to understand it has no hand to play if it continues to fuel Albertans’ discontent. If we don’t come to have regard for the needs of Alberta, Alberta will come to have no regard for Canada.

#203 Maxima on 10.23.19 at 9:50 am

A minority govt is said to be the best govt. We have a minority govt in BC and it’s a good govt. I’m happy to see how they are managing things. I’m happy to the end of previous ultra conservative govt with a liberal name to deflect what the former govt and cronies were really doing. Husky Oil in AB was just given millions in tax breaks by Kenney. They are now laying off hundreds of workers a day after a liberal win. So Kennedy’s tax breaks to a foreign owner that sucks money and jobs out of Canada is not a good thing!

#204 IHCTD9 on 10.23.19 at 9:51 am

#181 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.23.19 at 7:25 am

The cons in steerage were drinking hard last night.
Even the ‘Stoic’ IHTC let his guard down.
Thanks Garth, for giving them a shoulder to cry on.
An important public service, for sure.
___

Yeah, we were all getting a little “poetic” last night heheh.

Still got half a bottle left that I have to figure out what to do with.

#205 NoName on 10.23.19 at 9:53 am

Bytor the Snow Dog is talking about this.

https://youtu.be/_vCN3BSdFMY

And, yes I did forget to take trash to curve other day.

#206 IHCTD9 on 10.23.19 at 9:56 am

#201 oh bouy on 10.23.19 at 9:41 am

same thing happens every election time.
left or right, folks don’t like when their ‘team’ loses.
sun comes up the next day [***losing team shields eyes, pops Advil, rubs face***] and everyone moves on.
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Fixed – at least we do have sun today.

#207 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.23.19 at 10:01 am

Garth sez:

“There was no gerrymandering, since PEI was guaranteed a certain representation when it joined Confederation. Argue with history. – Garth”
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Call it whatever you want, the result is the same, and it needs to change.

#208 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.23.19 at 10:03 am

@205 NoName:

Hilarious. That would never be aired on TV now. Too nonPC.

#209 not 1st on 10.23.19 at 10:04 am

The fisheries is a prime example of the fed overstepping. Sure cods stocks dwindled but they are cyclical too and Spanish trawlers sat out on the grand banks raping our supply for years and Canada didn’t defend its interests. We could have sent a destroyer out there ever few weeks and sent a message. Nope, our people had to pay for it.

So it was retrain, diversify, blah blah and none of it worked. AB employed many of those folks. Their kids left to TO to be woke. And the rest took a buyoff and sat collecting pogey. Now the fish stocks are back and we have no fisher people kind to do the work. Now Chinese trawlers sit out there grabbing it all, they take it back to china for processing, employ people there and then sell our own fish in Superstore.

Now the maritime votes Liberal because they have no choice I guess. Canada is a an extremely weak nation. Soros can destroy it as a hobby.

#210 oh bouy on 10.23.19 at 10:34 am

@#200 PastThePeak on 10.23.19 at 9:33 am
#176 Captain Uppa on 10.23.19 at 7:02 am
Good grief people are such drama queens (and kings). We live in the best time known to the human race and people are having panic attacks over a Liberal minority government.

Everyone is so high strung these days even though we basically live in paradise. Sure we still have issues to resolve, some quite large, but overall life in this country is amazing and we will find solutions.

Stop complaining and put all this raging energy into making your community better. Start there.
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Your “paradise” is not affordable – hence record world debt and rising debt-to-GDP ratio.

And people can complain if they want to Captain Toronto. Despite what you believe, the world doesn’t revolve around you and you don’t get to control other peoples lives. Now bugger off and go sit in traffic…
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lol, stay classy fella.

#211 Wait There on 10.23.19 at 10:41 am

Canada’s strength is diversity.
Diverse regions make Canada stronger.
Real or Not?

#212 Wait There on 10.23.19 at 10:48 am

Did a quick tissue paper calculation.

How many Darlington Nuke Power Plants to replace all “OIL” consumption in the world. 2000 Nuke Power Plants. That does not include Coal, Natural Gas, Wood and Garbage. Digest that. Two thousand nuclear power plants just for oil replacement.

The same crowd that refuses to accept that we must continue with fossil fuels for quite a while are also the ones that don’t want Nuclear.

Go figure, Has Greta had the knowledge to do some quick calculations? Is she also anti nuke as well. How many millenials understand how to do that calculation?

Math is hard as we all know. Math and Science is harder still.

#213 derkavich on 10.23.19 at 11:01 am

Garth,

Do you think the luxury tax for luxury goods is a good idea?

Would you reduce benefits to OAS and CCB?

I don’t support inflating house prices. Salaries are low but increasing fast enough.

Does it make sense to hold these house prices or stagnate like what happened to Japan?

#214 crazyfox on 10.23.19 at 11:49 am

#202 Land Locked on 10.23.19 at 9:47 am

You don’t get it clearly, so I’ll throw you a bone. The world’s #1 threat short of nuclear proliferation, is climate change. That’s not me saying it but according to Joe Biden, the U.S. military. Btw, they would know. Check out 12:00 to 14:30 of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4e-HhztDk

What you are seeing is U.S. Navy sonar charts, arguably the best tech to illustrate Arctic sea ice volume with animated charts. Check out the difference in volume over 5 years. (I’ve seen 7 year charts, its all going down, down, down) It’s not difficult to imagine the Arctic ocean having an ice free September in 2021.

The impacts this will have on warmer oceans delaying refreeze as is happening now (top right chart, record low sea ice extent btw):

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

…along with earlier melts will extend the melting season into longer duration’s of open water with each year. This suggests the Northern hemisphere entering into a new climate state chalk filled with irreversible accelerating feed backs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3cznpfIpA

The results will likely be catastrophic over time. The reasoning is that… once the ice is gone, the ocean will warm up from zero where its always been to likely 8 to 10 degree C average highs by 2025 (not unreasonable or far away, Alaska was tripping these temps @ buoys 50 miles off the Arctic east coast this summer with an ice pack 100 miles away). By 2030, we could see 12 to 15 degree Arctic ocean temp peaks during summer and if we see this, we can rest assure ourselves that the atmosphere will warm up 10 to 15 degrees warmer in summer than it is now over the Arctic and potentially much of the Northern hemisphere.

No one is ready for this. This means heatwaves and much greater rainfall over the Arctic accelerating permafrost and Greenland ice melts. This means much slower jet streams and a much greater likelihood of a major increase in forest fires and crop failures throughout the northern hemisphere.

What I’m trying to tell you is that the world is going to be looking very different than it is now in a mere 10 years. An ice free Arctic ocean during summers is going to cause a great deal of environmental damage that impacts the lives of millions in Canada alone, change human behavior globally, cause alarm and panic and the last thing Alberta should do is not change with the times.

Alberta needs to get ahead of it by understanding the implications toward hydrocarbons worldwide and it will come down to 2 things: Reducing upstream C02 emissions to near zero (the tech is already here for this btw, just not enforced. The industry clearly has no vision) and accepting the reality that hydrocarbons created for the sole purpose of being burned are on their way out much the same way as coal is already.

What, its not sinking in how serious this is? Try BC losing 30% of its forests by 2030. The previous annual record (2018) is 1.43%. Imagine a year that takes 5 to 6% of its forests. How do you think British Columbians will react to this kind of devastation? The smoke this will generate, the lost industry and jobs… how far will it fly for Albertans whining away, “we have it so bad, we should separate”, you think they’ll get much sympathy in that light? They have no clue whats ahead.

The future global shift will be momentous and costly. The changes will be forced. There will be hydrocarbon winners and losers defined by whether or not the downstream products are burned (diesel, gas) or unburned (plastics, synthetics, composites, asphalt). When you look at it in this light, it means if extra heavy bitumen crude producers in northern Alberta can reduce it’s C02 footprint to near zero (we have this tech now for it), their downstream products give them a chance to stay viable but light crude beyond 10 years, not so much and the environmental damage in time will be in our face everywhere we go for the rest of our lives in the northern hemisphere specifically so there’s that.

But, y’know, at some point we’ll have to ask ourselves what kind of market we’ll have left in 2030 and beyond and for that matter, what rule of law. I’m still optimistic for for some kind of dystopian existence in the 2040’s and beyond, not like this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CXRaTnKDXA&t=192s

#215 Barb on 10.23.19 at 12:53 pm

We Okanagan B.C. folks have considerably more kinship with Alberta’s population than with the weed-focused lefty wet-coasters of B.C.

It’s the fault lines.

#216 Mattl on 10.23.19 at 10:45 pm

Alberta separation, nice. No coastline, dependence on oil, what could go wrong?

#217 mikeynorth on 10.25.19 at 4:15 pm

I appears to that the Liberal Voter is one that has no skin in the game!