The shunning

On Wednesday two women with balls will be punted from the Trudeau Liberal caucus. And while this pathetic blog tries not to steer into the ditch of politics often (the Trump-loving deplorables taught me that), sometimes it’s best not to hush. Not when it’s happened to you.

Being a populist and a blogger is dangerous when combined with being elected. So my last stint in the House of Commons went badly. Actually, it was a disaster. As a team player, I sucked. Harper hated me. He despised that I conducted online polls from the floor of Parliament asking my constituents for input on votes. He bristled at my daily summary of events that veered from the official party talking points. He was appalled that I started a video stream and interviewed MPs and leaders from every party, not just the one I belonged to. And, in the end, it was too much for the PMO.

So one day I waked into national caucus, noted the PM’s chief of staff at the back of the room (that was unusual), and was ambushed. After some anti-Garth speeches delivered by the finance minister and the deputy prime minister there was a quick vote and I was out. It was orchestrated and efficient. As I sat in my chair, soaking it in, the caucus chairman was in the hallway in front of microphones accusing me of breaching party confidentiality and being a generally untrustworthy dude. “Garth Turner is not running an alternative government,” Jim Flaherty huffed.

That was a political death sentence, of course. Stripped of party affiliation, losing the next election was a certainty. I did that well.

This week some reporters were calling asking about Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, wondering if they’d receive the same fate and how it felt to be squished by a prime minister. Of course, I said. They’re history. At the end of the day all leaders are the same. Dictatorial. All parties are the same. Questioning isn’t tolerated. All caucuses behave the same way. They disgorge, then shun, dissenters.

Over the last few days the PMO has fronted several Liberal MPs to say JWR is unethical because she taped a phone call with the chief civil servant urging her to go light on SNC Lavalin, which stood accused of fraud and bribery. The content of the call is ignored. Instead party members say anyone who’d tape without disclosure is untrustworthy. It’s clever and effective. But then, character assassination has to be. Wounded people are dangerous. It’s a line I heard as I was shunted to a seat in the very back row of the House of Commons where they keep the search animals.

Maybe JWR and her bud Jane were truly appalled that a criminal organization was being coddled for blatantly political reasons. Maybe JWR wants to be PM. Perhaps they both decided being a minister in a cabinet devoid of debate and dialogue was not why they got into public life. Or, possibly, the leader has lost their respect. Could be they’re both disturbers. Or democrats.

Regardless, throwing them to the curb will prove the Liberal way is no more enlightened than the Conservative way. It will be as illegitimate an act for Jane & Jody as it was for my sorry ass. This is because (a) the leader did not elect them and, (b) the caucus didn’t either. Rather the voters picked these two women to represent them and, if the voters made a mistake, then they can correct it in the general election this October.

The fact all MPs in a party have to think exactly the same way about every single issue is why the gap between the public and politicians is growing. The world is not black and white. Every constituency is not identical. Elected folks should not have to check their personalities, beliefs and brains at the caucus room door along with their iPhones. Leaders are not divinities. Everyone has a contribution to make, and the boss’s job is to find consensus amid the conversation.

Imagine if the US operated that way – preventing a John McCain, for example, from ever having raised his voice. Instead of throwing the bums out in every election (as we love doing), Americans have a tradition of supporting free-thinkers, mavericks and independents for term after term in Congress. Nobody is punted from a party caucus for speaking what they feel is truth. The result may be messy, sometimes distasteful, but it’s far more democratic.

Doubtless, JWR and Philpott know what awaits them. Stripped of the Lib brand, their political futures are toast. Colleagues who used to grovel for their ministerial attention will disparage them daily. The wagons will circle as the leader insists on blind loyalty and unwavering support. The message from caucus will be clear as two heads are hoisted on sticks outside Centre Block. There, but for the grace of the PMO, go thee.

Stephen. Justin. Peas in a pod.

225 comments ↓

#1 Dazed and CONfused on 04.01.19 at 4:27 pm

As always, we’ll be electing a PMO this fall, not a PM nor an MP.

I don’t expect Scheer to act any differently than his predecessors, both Lib and Con. Probably worse, given his track record, and that smug, arrogant, Cheshire smile he can’t seem to extinguish.

No wonder Canadian voter turnout is so low.

#2 Old gringo on 04.01.19 at 4:28 pm

I’m not surprised by T2’s attitude.
He’s running scared.
In the old days, he’d be hung and quartered for what “HE” was apart of.
He’s the problem, not the gals!!!
This fall, he’s toast.
God riddins

#3 THe Greater Cauliflower on 04.01.19 at 4:32 pm

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#4 Tater on 04.01.19 at 4:39 pm

#3 THe Greater Cauliflower on 04.01.19 at 4:32 pm
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Really gross comment, surprised Garth let it through

#5 Andrew on 04.01.19 at 4:45 pm

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/2019/04/01/bitcoin-an-insurance-policy-against-the-largest-monetary-and-fiscal-policy-experiment-in-human-history/

#6 Daniel Bouchard on 04.01.19 at 4:47 pm

Plain and simple out election/political system is flawed, We need to be a Republic.

#7 SunShowers on 04.01.19 at 4:47 pm

I’m to the left of the NDP by a country mile, but if I was in your riding, I’d have voted for you.

#8 LJ on 04.01.19 at 4:47 pm

By definition, aren’t ALL politician’s “populists”?

#9 SoggyShorts on 04.01.19 at 4:49 pm

#198 Deplorable Dude on 04.01.19 at 3:07 pm
#183 Soggy Shorts…

Who do you believe?

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Honestly? With my only sibling being a masters grad from Lund University in Environmental Science and Sustainability, it’s hard.

I think humans are having an impact.
I think 30m Canucks won’t make a dent.

I’m not going to go 100% vegan, stop flying around the world, or really make any major sacrifices, but then again, I don’t have kids(and never will) so I only need the planet to be livable for 60ish years.

I’m willing to admit my selfishness though, rather than use bad science that ultimately I’m not an expert in.

Just look at anytime climate change comes up on this financial REblog: loads of links from both sides saying opposite things, so the only people that bother me are the ones who are sure on either side.
Everyone who reads greater fool is a climate expert and is 100% certain of their position? Really?

#10 Alberta Ed on 04.01.19 at 4:49 pm

Chretien never hesitated to put personal and party interests ahead of the country’s needs. Sock Boy is just the same: another sleazy pol.

#11 JP on 04.01.19 at 4:52 pm

Well Said, IMO the caucus system is the worst part of our political system pushing through legislation while ignoring what the actual constituents want. Residents of Vancouver have different views than those of Calgary, Toronto, Montreal or Halifax. Why should the MP’s for those areas all have to vote the same way?
I don’t love the American system. But there’s gotta be a better way where the citizens voices are heard and not dismissed.
JWR is actually my MP and based on her actually having ethics and a moral ground I would vote for her as an Independent.

#12 juan gretzky on 04.01.19 at 4:52 pm

The SNC affair doesn’t really bother me. Unfortunately, that’s the way the world works. In the U.S. 95% of these cases are settled with deferred prosecution, and about 75% in Europe. JWR threw her party under the bus instead of dealing with it internally. I’m more pissed with Trudeau about the way he treated the protester.

#13 LP on 04.01.19 at 4:57 pm

#3 THe Greater Cauliflower on 04.01.19 at 4:32 pm

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That’s a disgusting comment!

#14 Landon Grunthale on 04.01.19 at 4:57 pm

The Conservative Caucus is wating with open arms for many Liberal MPs before this fall’s election? Or could they go Orange?

#15 diharv on 04.01.19 at 4:58 pm

The US DOES operate that way.The so called “mavericks” are few and far between and once in awhile they bark but when it comes time to bite , or vote , they toe the turtle McConnell Trump line . Look at Jeff Flake, all remorseful at the elevator and then votes in Cavanaugh anyway. Lindsey Graham has flip-flopped more than a pancake breakfast because he knows Trump is stupid with the attention span of a gnat so occasionally he lashes out only to reel it all back in in suck mode on something else.

#16 Geoffrey on 04.01.19 at 4:59 pm

This is a spectacular article. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience.

#17 Yukon Elvis on 04.01.19 at 5:00 pm

The MP that you elect to represent your district is not your representative in Ottawa. He/she becomes Ottawa’s representative in your district. Like a true 39% democracy. How did we get it so wrong ?

#18 LP on 04.01.19 at 5:05 pm

As far as future aspirations to leadership, if she has them, I don’t think any party can get behind J W-R as leader. What other foreign head of government would feel comfortable dealing across the table from her if they can’t be certain negotiations are not being recorded?

I don’t know what to think about what she did since I’m aware in most circumstances one does not have to inform another person she/he is being recorded. At least, that’s the case in Canada.

I’ve been a Liberal all my voting life but I can’t get behind the current Prime Minister in the next election. Nor can I support either of the other two main-stream parties. Where’s the rhino party when I need them? ;>)

#19 Blackdog on 04.01.19 at 5:06 pm

“At the end of the day all leaders are the same. Dictatorial. All parties are the same. Questioning isn’t tolerated. All caucuses behave the same way. They disgorge, then shun, dissenters.”

Sadly, what you describe happens everywhere people come together in organized social groups, not just in politics. Truth seekers are always scapegoated when they challenge the party line. I feel for you Garth. We’re hard wired to freak out when kicked out of the tribe.

#20 The Great Gazoo on 04.01.19 at 5:09 pm

Well, I would say that Ms Wilson-Raybould and Philpott will leave with their dignity, self respect and integrity intact. They can proudly hold their heads high.

Garth, I assume you can say the same thing for yourself – no position of power was worth comprising these values.

Justin and Stephen not so much.

Who knows, Justin may get his butt kicked in the Fall and the liberals can start afresh with a new leader.

#21 I voted for Hilary Clinton, and so should you!!!! on 04.01.19 at 5:09 pm

[i]Americans have a tradition of supporting free-thinkers, mavericks and independents for term after term in Congress.[/i]

Explain Trump.

He is not in Congress. – Garth

#22 SmarterSquirrel on 04.01.19 at 5:11 pm

Sadly the more this type of thing happens, the less likely it is for intelligent free thinking innovative individuals to run for office to help improve life for constituents, and the more we wind up with sycophants following the orders of one party leader… it happened under Harper, it has happened under Trudeau… government should be a place where constituents voices are represented, a sea of different opinions coalescing to form a better thought, a better action, a better direction… but given how parliament works (or doesn’t work), the charade of question period, the blatant lies, corruption and mismanagement, and the thankless ejection for those with morals and scruples who get turfed out of gov’t (like Garth), who in their right mind would want to run for office these days?

#23 PeterfromCalgary on 04.01.19 at 5:16 pm

Trudeau for Prison 2019!

#24 Renter's Revenge! on 04.01.19 at 5:17 pm

#203 Shawn Allen on 04.01.19 at 4:22 pm

$5.19 per pound for a cooked chicken and $2.02 per pound for the raw chicken. Meanwhile you can’t find apples for under $2.00 per pound in my store. They are boldly advertising $3.49 per pound for apples…God bless our capitalist / government system. It truly is miraculous.

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Maybe we should be saying “God bless vegans” for making meat cheaper than fruit!

#25 I heard on 04.01.19 at 5:17 pm

a fellow say that if JWR ran for PM that he would actually have someone to vote FOR. Instead of always voting AGAINST someone. This pretty well sums it all up. We need hope. I don’t see much in the three talking heads that run the three main parties. Sad.

#26 Flamed out in Kitchener on 04.01.19 at 5:24 pm

I’m certainly no Liberal, but if the powers behind that party had any brains, … they would make sure to dump our current trust fund idiot man child PM, and make sure JWR becomes party leader and the next PM (in 2023) … Clear sailing in office for years, with someone of real integrity and respect. Canada needs a PM we can actually be proud of!

#27 Ronaldo on 04.01.19 at 5:27 pm

#4 Tater on 04.01.19 at 4:39 pm
#3 THe Greater Cauliflower on 04.01.19 at 4:32 pm

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Really gross comment, surprised Garth let it through
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Agree totally.

Deleted. – Garth

#28 Sold Out on 04.01.19 at 5:27 pm

I imagine that non-professional politicians, such as JWR and JP, find the sausage-making aspects of governance rather distasteful. If one leans more towards ideals, rather than ideology, the continual erosion of integrity necessary to toe the party line is corrosive to the soul.

Neither of these women need a career in politics; I’m pretty sure they both knew that their principled stance would be the end of their time in politics. The timing is perfect for the Liberals to toss both of them, spit on their corpses, and nominate new candidates in their respective ridings before Oct.

The only question is, can the Libs stick-handle through the fall-out from SNC and the Vice-Admiral Norman debacles and still win in Oct? I’m worried that the lack of alternatives will mean a minority Lib government.

#29 Reality is stark on 04.01.19 at 5:28 pm

The public service needs a complete bloodletting. Three in ten need to go. Some good ones will go down along the way. It is simply unsustainable.
Let the carnage begin.
We can’t afford any of these people at their current rates.
Drain this swamp.
Once the real job starts they won’t be worried about pointing fingers at each other. You watch how fast these sick twisted bureaucratic pricks band together to screw the average Canadian over. They know how their bread is buttered when push comes to shove.

#30 S in QC on 04.01.19 at 5:28 pm

This progressive Montrealer would have voted for you. You were too good for this line of work. Thank you.

#31 the ryguy - In cabo on 04.01.19 at 5:31 pm

Hell of a story Garth. Takes a ton of fortitude and dignity to share it with us. Thank you!

#32 Joe Schmoe on 04.01.19 at 5:32 pm

I was eagerly awaiting Garth’s appraisal of this situation.

Thanks for the perspective.

I was reading an interesting book about the US Ambassador to Germany…in 1933.

From a speech to the German government:

“…we learned enough from history to realize that no system which implies control of society by privilege seekers has ever ended in any other way than collapse…”

#33 Lawnboy on 04.01.19 at 5:40 pm

Read P.Burton’s National Dream.
Members argued, and some crossed the floor at the drop of a hat. They looked after their constituents!!!! W eve gone backwards.

LB

#34 NoName on 04.01.19 at 5:40 pm

World need more rebellious nonconformists, they would make world much better place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9kPfelTEds

#35 Ydnew on 04.01.19 at 5:43 pm

At a time when it is more important than ever to vote in the election this coming October, it is clear that if we had the option of voting for “None of the above”, it would win by a landslide.
Even worse when we look at other nations around the world, they face similar situations.
We live in dangerous times.

#36 Linda on 04.01.19 at 5:46 pm

This is why I find voting such a trial. While the individual candidate may be everything one might hope for, the party platform might not be something one wishes to support. The solution proffered is to join a party & fight for change. Well, lots of people have tried that route & here we are. Part of the issue is copycat party platforms – since the goal is to win an election, promised policies that show voter support are generally adopted across all parties, each claiming their version is ‘the best’. I generally end up scanning the various platforms/candidates & try to pick the one I think will do the least damage. It doesn’t matter if the candidate I vote for doesn’t win. What matters is that I indicated a choice. Those who choose not to vote because ‘my candidate won’t win’ are 100% correct. By not voting, you have ensured the outcome isn’t one you want.

#37 AK on 04.01.19 at 5:50 pm

“Rather the voters picked these two women to represent them and, if the voters made a mistake, then they can correct it in the general election this October.”
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The only mistake voters made is putting the Liberals in power.

Not happening again this coming October. Liberals will end up without a party status.

#38 Another Deckchair on 04.01.19 at 5:52 pm

re: JWR and recording.

Decades ago, she’d have someone sitting beside her transcribing everything into Pitman Shorthand.

Records MUST be kept; at that level, their time is too important for waste. Now, email helps solve that record keeping.

So, she recorded a meeting. On “tape” (or whatever) What’s the difference?? Is the caller supposed to think that a meeting is not recorded just because it’s not done by someone with a pencil, or that an email server somewhere is keeping the email?

Would have thought Wernick was smart enough to know that. Obviously not.

#39 AK on 04.01.19 at 5:57 pm

“Americans have a tradition of supporting free-thinkers, mavericks and independents for term after term in Congress.”
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I am not sure if it still applies to the Democrats.

With the election of Omar(Anti-Semitism), Tlaib(Anti-Semitism) and AOC(Whack job) to congress, the Democrats will pay a price going forward.

#40 Reximus on 04.01.19 at 5:57 pm

#5 Andrew

95% of crypto trades are fake

https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/613201/nearly-all-bitcoin-trades-are-fake-apparently/

#41 Smoking Man on 04.01.19 at 5:58 pm

JWR is a skilled laywer vs a drama teacher, an eco nazi , and let’s not forget Canada version of AOC the world will end in 12 years.

My money is on JWR if you think she only has one recording think again.

Can’t wait to hear what ASS man said on tap, he was first to quit.

With libs, the end justifies the means regardless of laws or morals.

How Ya’ll liking your carbon tax loyal subjects.

I would not last one day in politics.

#42 Nothing Surprises on 04.01.19 at 5:58 pm

A very good explanation Garth and nice to see at least two elected politicians in Ottawa displaying ethics, honour and principle, not just dancing to the party line.

Bravo Zulu!!

#43 Yellow Vest on 04.01.19 at 6:01 pm

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#44 Mikeshouse on 04.01.19 at 6:06 pm

Lions… 100
Christians… 0
Some lessons are best not forgotten.

I applaud and highly respect these two extremely strong women for their stance on expounding the Truth to a great many of us who are/ were willing to Hear it.
Unfortunately they are being made to pay for it.

#45 Barb on 04.01.19 at 6:06 pm

Outstanding post, Garth!
Best explanation of why a democracy isn’t a democracy.

Wouldn’t it be interesting if Jody and Jane — during trouncing from the Lib caucus — simply walked across the floor! And I hope they do.

Your comment about free thinkers USA vs Canada is revealing. Certainly makes sense the way you put it.

Jody, Jane and Garth (of course) are formidable foes.
Trudeau deserves the boot.

Too bad we have to wait until October.

#46 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 6:12 pm

Garth,

Most Canadians will never know your contribution to their lives accusing the TFSA being a tool for the rich or the day you were punted, was a great loss to us all. Thank you for your service.

#47 Reximus on 04.01.19 at 6:14 pm

Garth how well did you know Peter McKay? I’ve met him a few times and once (at chester race week) he said how he was appalled at how you were treated. I think he was after your time in politics but he seemed to think your story was a warning to all about the partisan world of cdn politics

no idea why he thought I would want to know that. he wasn’t drunk or anything although I may have been

#48 Paul on 04.01.19 at 6:17 pm

Getting really tired of hearing about this. Always knew JT was full of it.
Possible recession coming. Lower rates, maybe even a rate cut from BOC. Don’t think that will save RE but a great opportunity to reduce debt if you have a steady job.

#49 Greenfrim Southern on 04.01.19 at 6:22 pm

Garth, Do you think Michael Wernick has any regrets on how he handled his affairs over the last few months? Or did he even have a choice?

#50 MF on 04.01.19 at 6:22 pm

#39 AK on 04.01.19 at 5:57 pm

Agreed. An indication of how dangerously far left that joke of a political party has drifted.

MF

#51 MHM on 04.01.19 at 6:23 pm

I am also surprised that apples everywhere are minimum $2/lb. What gives?!

#52 AGuyInVancouver on 04.01.19 at 6:24 pm

#6 Daniel Bouchard on 04.01.19 at 4:47 pm
Plain and simple out election/political system is flawed, We need to be a Republic.
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Why?

Look no further to what’s going down in the “mother of all parliaments” in the UK, to see how a PM can be held to account by caucus. or to Australia, wehre the caucus punts out PMs with alacrity. Only in Canada has this system of absolute obedience to the PMO taken hold. The problem isn’t Wilson-Raybould or Philpott, it’s the hundreds of other trained seals in the same chmaber who seemingly signed over their ability to think for themselves along with their nomination papers.

As to the electoral futures, if either care to go it as Independents they could do serious harm to the Liberal vote in their ridings, if not win.

#53 Northone on 04.01.19 at 6:28 pm

Thanks Garth! Enjoyed your article.

#54 Billy West on 04.01.19 at 6:32 pm

How do we know that The PMO wasn’t also recording the JWR – Wernick phonecall, but did not share that detail publicly.

#55 fishman on 04.01.19 at 6:33 pm

Ok bloggies, lets review the 3 Rules our ex Justice Minister has given us when the the Feds comes down hard on your sorry worthless butt.
#1 I have nothing to say till I have clarified my legal position.
#2 Hire the best lawyer you know & can afford.
#3 Never lie to your lawyer. Kimmie is west side Vancouver Island good looking Port Alberni blonde. Jodi is east side Vancouver Island cute freckle faced, brown eyed Campell River/Comox brunette. Both UBC law grads. You think they don’t talk.
You can lie to your wife,your mistress, your friends, your accountant, & after clarifying your legal position you can lie to CRA, Queen’s Cowboys, Vancouver Bulls, DFO Fish Cops, but never ever lie to your lawyer.

#56 isuckless on 04.01.19 at 6:37 pm

Liberals will win in October :(
Voters’ memory is too short.
There is a different view on JWR (not rainbows and unicorns) from Lord Conrad Black (google it).

#57 TheDood on 04.01.19 at 6:40 pm

A sad state of affairs……..

Two ELECTED leaders tossed out of their party for standing their moral ground. We call this democracy? What kind of democracy do we have when this is allowed to happen?

I wonder how this all would have played out if SNC’s head office was in Edmonton or Calgary?

#58 Harry Warren on 04.01.19 at 6:40 pm

The simple issue is the political party impediment with party whips. When you look at how Nunavut or the Northwest Territory’s govern, they elect all independents – a real boring election night, but the bonus is all the ministers and the premier is elected from the floor of the house a few weeks later. If they are not doing their job, they are replaced with another from the floor of the house. But the stark difference, is the lack of divisive politics. It is no longer us versus them, it is about the member elected serving their constituents. People are brainwashed to be right or left and do not see the commonalities between the issues that face a government. The only individuals that really benefit from our us versus them political drama is the super wealthy. We are talking about people who have more than 50-100 million. So, until we put in independents across the country and govern ourselves like in the north, we will always have the great political minds, like Garth, like JWR, like Phillpot, like many before – shuffled aside in the name of ultimate power and how dare you bring good ideas without clearing it with the PMO first. One day we will get to a place where ideas will be embraced and problems will have an attempt in being solved.

#59 expat on 04.01.19 at 6:42 pm

Why is anyone even mentioning the Liberals.
They are so toast in the FALL, I bet Socks even loses his seat

the NDP will be official opposition to the Cons.

#60 HH on 04.01.19 at 6:42 pm

I cannot be part of this outrageous corruption by voting in October or ever.

#61 You know on 04.01.19 at 6:45 pm

People vote for govermment …as you say Garth they are all the same…exactly why we need to rotate them every few years…give them all a chance ..that way they watch over each other .

#62 You know on 04.01.19 at 6:46 pm

People vote for govermment …as you say Garth they are all the same…exactly why we need to rotate them every few years…give them all a chance ..that way they watch over each other..should keep things more honest.

#63 Tony on 04.01.19 at 6:49 pm

Garth, I always saw you as someone capable of cutting through the cant, utilitarian, forthright, and generally with a pragmatic outlook on things. Which is why I voted for you back in the day. And so, I’m a bit surprised that you take the particular tack that you do on the SNC issue. The Quebec Caisse de dépôt (the province’s public pension plan) is 20% shareholder of SNC. And the company, a century-old Canadian success story, has 9000 employees in Canada. I suppose these don’t count for much?

The CEO said job losses were not contemplated. The PM apparently made that up. Thank you for your vote. – Garth

#64 Drew on 04.01.19 at 6:50 pm

Yet another example of why political parties need to go.

#65 Chopper on 04.01.19 at 6:51 pm

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#66 Paul on 04.01.19 at 6:54 pm

#37 AK on 04.01.19 at 5:50 pm
“Rather the voters picked these two women to represent them and, if the voters made a mistake, then they can correct it in the general election this October.”
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The only mistake voters made is putting the Liberals in power.

Not happening again this coming October. Liberals will end up without a party status
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Could be, but when it happens the party in charge let’s them keep the party status,

#67 Yellow Vest on 04.01.19 at 7:03 pm

Yellow Vest on 04.01.19 at 6:01 pm
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You’re joking? I have seen way way worse language here. But I guess you need to be of the left persuasion. I apologize for being a deplorable.

You suggested the PM die. Go away and stay there. – Garth

#68 Djumbe on 04.01.19 at 7:10 pm

#63 March 28 there was an update to the CEO’s previous comments about no plans to cut jobs and pull out.

SNC-Lavalin warned federal prosecutors last fall about a possible plan to split the company in two, move its offices to the United States and eliminate its Canadian workforce if it didn’t get a deal to avoid criminal prosecution, newly obtained documents show.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snc-lavalin-warned-of-move-abroad-1.5075840

CEO comments came after that, and would seem to be the most current. Lying then, or now? – Garth

#69 Long Branch Apprentice on 04.01.19 at 7:10 pm

#26 Flamed out in Kitchener

https://www.c2cjournal.ca/2019/03/who-pressured-whom/?fbclid=IwAR3jTfgyPhd_6RXxWryzZA8Ln_pZTEmsYxpRgBqKHU7eMk17b47WqAoQC4k

Give that a read please.

#70 Randy on 04.01.19 at 7:10 pm

McCain was a bad example….100% corrupt traitor. Trump was right about John McCain

You need help. – Garth

#71 Penny Henny on 04.01.19 at 7:12 pm

#203 Shawn Allen on 04.01.19 at 4:22 pm
Some Things Are Cheap But it is seldom acknowledged

Penny Henny noted

rotisserie chicken $7.99 for 700g

uncooked chicken $7.99 for 1800g

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Both are incredibly cheap. $5.19 per pound for a cooked chicken and $2.02 per pound for the raw chicken.
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even cheaper right now $3.89 / kg.
heads and claws removed too.

https://www.nofrills.ca/print-flyer?navid=flyer-deal

#72 not 1st on 04.01.19 at 7:14 pm

Garth did Harper ever ask you to break the law?

Challenging Harper when the country was doing so well isn’t probably the best idea. Our country is doing extremely poorly right now so a leader should be challenged. Canada is a total basket case under T2. Harper was an MBA economist and liked a tight ship.

I think party policy is set at conventions. Why didn’t you table your ideas there?

I would love our democracy to work the way you wanted, its just not in the cards so long as peoples beliefs are so far apart. The country is probably just too big.

#73 Kelsey on 04.01.19 at 7:23 pm

Great article Garth, and thank you for sharing your story.

In Van RE news…Steve Saretsky says March sales were lowest since 1986.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5119696/greater-vancouver-home-sales-hit-lowest-point-since-1986-realtor/

#74 Western canadian on 04.01.19 at 7:23 pm

Excellent post, thanks

#75 Ts on 04.01.19 at 7:24 pm

Katherine Roussel and the DPP can’t look at the economic interests of Canada or if a company is “too big to fail” when deciding to give a DPA.

If she can’t and the AG won’t, the PM should turn her for somebody who will.

I would expect any PM I voted for to do the same thing.

#76 Leo Trollstoy on 04.01.19 at 7:28 pm

Gartho should get Jody to be a guest blogger here

Lololol

#77 Doghouse Dweller on 04.01.19 at 7:30 pm

#18 LP
#54 Billy West
————————–
Merkel`s phone taped by the Yanks,
Khashoggi’s murder/ dismemberment recorded,
NSA has the planet on record.
They all crossed the ethics line long ago.

I think T2 was on speaker phone in Wernick`s office , I swear I could hear a faint “Tabarnak !” in the background.

#78 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 7:30 pm

#63 Tony on 04.01.19 at 6:49 pm
Garth, I always saw you as someone capable of cutting through the cant, utilitarian, forthright, and generally with a pragmatic outlook on things. Which is why I voted for you back in the day. And so, I’m a bit surprised that you take the particular tack that you do on the SNC issue. The Quebec Caisse de dépôt (the province’s public pension plan) is 20% shareholder of SNC. And the company, a century-old Canadian success story, has 9000 employees in Canada. I suppose these don’t count for much?

The CEO said job losses were not contemplated. The PM apparently made that up. Thank you for your vote. – Garth
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Burn dude. Trying to bait Garth. Since when does an aged old company that employs people exempt the criminal acts committed? Nortel was a Canadian darling and employed a bunch of people. How many pension funds had Nortel in their portfolios you think? If the company is really good, it can survive the actions of a few apples. Think Volkswagen. Keep voting for virtue signalling, cults need the blind faithful to keep things going.

#79 Islandave on 04.01.19 at 7:33 pm

How to succeed in federal politics October 2019..
Change your name to “none of the above”..
We’re talking landslide here folks lol

Just kidding

#80 AACI Home-Dog on 04.01.19 at 7:39 pm

KWR has taken her time, and consulted lawyers on how to proceed; at our expense, I am sure.
Yes, methinks she eyes a future as PM.
Sad that our system is such a farce.

#81 The Decent Majority on 04.01.19 at 7:45 pm

Wow. Tell the truth or what. My hat is off to you sir,

#82 Dave on 04.01.19 at 7:46 pm

Real Estate in BC is crashing hard

https://globalnews.ca/news/5119696/greater-vancouver-home-sales-hit-lowest-point-since-1986-realtor/

#83 Dolce Vita on 04.01.19 at 7:57 pm

Since 1972 voted Liberal federally for the exception of Mulroney & Jack (12/14 elections).

Time for a new crew to be in charge of the Liberal Party. This crew under Justin Trudeau has broken the Liberal Brand. Trying to interfere with the Laws of the Land, that was the LAST STRAW.

Time for you to go gracefully Justin Trudeau. What a disappointment you turned out to be.

Harper was right after all, you just weren’t ready.

——————————————

Cogent Logic Garth contrasting the everybody falls in line Canadian system vs. the individualistic, maverick American system. I’m with you on that.

#84 Captain Uppa on 04.01.19 at 8:00 pm

I hate the party system in politics. This may sound “out there”, but how amazing would it be if everyone was an independent.

That’s right, no parties. A true democracy where majority vote rules from those who are truly representing the constituents they swore to serve when elected.

The head of state would simply be a manager of those voices and a mouthpiece for the people.

#85 Thankful on 04.01.19 at 8:01 pm

Garth, for years I have enjoyed you efforts to “pass on the wisdom you have gained” through what has obviously been a very interesting and diversified career. You are one of the few persons that I have come across in my travels that appear from your books/blog to have used each day’s lessons/experience as ‘building blocks’ to be filed in your cerebral library and to be drawn upon when needed.
It is unfortunate that so many of the people that take a moment to read both your blog and those written by your associates are not able to enter into well thought out dialogue/discourse.
Whether one agrees with your every thought or position is not the point of your efforts (I think). Rather I believe that you can only take the time that you and your firm put out (other than I hope it helps gather a few new clients each week) out of an honest effort to help a financially illiterate society. To motivate the ‘average person’ to think about next year and ten/twenty/thirty years onwards.
The point to this ramble of mine is directed to all those that will not accept the inconvenient reality that they really are not as smart as they think they are (The Dunning/Kruger Effect). Rather than thinking about your words, they simply take a moment to further waste an opportunity to learn by forwarding comments that usually border on the absurd. I can only imagine your frustrations in filtering all our comments each day.
That said there must be thousands of people each evening that actually learn a little more about life/finance all presented via an entertainment venue thanks to you and your team. I for one appreciate it.

#86 Andrew on 04.01.19 at 8:04 pm

#40 Reximus

Absolutely, it’s true 24hr volume is almost identical to golds in relation to circulating supply. Though it’s spot price on the top ten non faked exchanges has even tighter arbitrage making it one of the most efficient markets worldwide.

This website is from the company that did the research you are quoting

https://www.bitcointradevolume.com

#87 Djumbe on 04.01.19 at 8:05 pm

#68 SNC CEO lying then or lying now about job cuts? Could be both but apparently the PM did not make it up.

#69 thanks for the link – this article really is worth a read by Brian Giesbrecht a retired Manitoba provincial court judge (appointed in 1976, Associate Chief Judge from 1991 and Acting Chief Judge in 1993), a Senior Fellow with the Frontier Center for Public Policy and a freelance writer contributing to various newspapers and other publications.

#88 Andrew on 04.01.19 at 8:07 pm

#40 Reximus

Full report:

https://static.bitwiseinvestments.com/Research/Bitwise-Asset-Management-Analysis-of-Real-Bitcoin-Trade-Volume.pdf

#89 Doghouse Dweller on 04.01.19 at 8:11 pm

#71 Penny Henny

Nofrills ? Somehow I had you pegged as a Puppo`s regular.
Troube with that cheap chicken is that it`s probably unfit for human consumption . I bought some that was so tough you couldn`t eat it if you tried. More like hormone/antibiotic infused rubber than meat.

#90 The Most Interesting West Coast Conspiracy Theorist in the World on 04.01.19 at 8:12 pm

Google uses me as a search engine.

Greater Vancouver home sales just had their worst month of March since 1986.

And the population is way up in Vancouver since 1986.

#91 Dolce Vita on 04.01.19 at 8:12 pm

#78 n1tro

Dear Ayn Rand Wannabe:

NOBODY or ANY Corporation is above the Laws of the Land.

Now go back to reading your favorite book:

Atlas Shrugged.

#92 SW on 04.01.19 at 8:16 pm

For more in depth about the story, you can read Garth’s excellent 2009 book, Sheeple. Highly recommended (even if I did borrow it from the library)…and it, combined with this blog, turned around my family’s financial fortunes. Thanks, Mr. T.

#93 Dolce Vita on 04.01.19 at 8:25 pm

#56 isuckless

The Vice Admiral’s trial starts in August. That will refresh voters’ memories.

At the Vice Admiral’s side will be ace, shark lawyer Marie Henein. She plans to do whatever it takes including subpoena the PM and Clerk of the Privy Council…basically, God and Country.

Lord Conrad is not as sharp as he used to be. I read his article. 2 bricks short of a full load sums it up.

He swallowed the Liberal smear campaign: hook, line and sinker.

#94 Mordko on 04.01.19 at 8:26 pm

Parliamentary democracies are the same all over the world. The party leader has to stamp authority over his MPs or he’s toast. US is different because they have a presidential system.

#95 SW on 04.01.19 at 8:27 pm

#58 Harry Warren on 04.01.19 at 6:40 pm
“The simple issue is the political party impediment with party whips. When you look at how Nunavut or the Northwest Territory’s govern, they elect all independents…”

A very wise post. At least we don’t have political parties in municipal governments around here.

It’s hard to see how there will be any change unless there’s some total mess of the magnitude of Brexit, where people who felt that they didn’t count inflicted a phyrric revenge on the people who do count.

I was annoyed that Mr. Trudeau’s Liberals dropped the voting reform part of their platform. Some alternative to First Past The Post would change things for the better, although not to the advantage of the large parties.

#96 baloney Sandwitch on 04.01.19 at 8:37 pm

Best thing which can happen in the next election is a minority government. It keeps the bums on their toes.

#97 baloney Sandwitch on 04.01.19 at 8:38 pm

By the way, superb column today, written straight from the heart.

#98 rower on 04.01.19 at 8:38 pm

Bravo!!! Much respect!

#99 Long-Time Lurker on 04.01.19 at 8:39 pm

I can’t believe that I looked at all of yesterday’s comments. Why? Why? Why?

Anyway, the national carbon tax had me thinking about “Smack’s Booster.” I read about it many years ago. “Smack” came up with a hydroxygen generator that you hook up to a car’s alternator or battery — electricity, water, and an electrolyte generate the hydroxygen. The hydroxygen gets directed to the air intake of the engine. It was said that they hydroxygen improved the combustion and so cars got slightly better mileage.

Looking around I saw a Youtube video where I guy said he went from 26.x mpg to 28.x mpg for a 14% increase in mileage.

But looking around further it seems that new cars’ computerized fuel injection offsets the benefits of the booster and puts more fuel into the cylinders when the computer detects a decline in gases. I guess the booster would work with some electronic tinkering to the fuel injection sensor.

Maybe around fifteen years ago my cousin said he met a guy on a scooter or motorbike with a 7-Up bottle on the back of it. This was probably a hydroxygen booster. The scooter guy said that it looks weird but it got him more mileage.

On PM Justin: Drama from a drama teacher. The shock!

Making history, Justin!

#100 weinerS on 04.01.19 at 8:39 pm

Unfortunately, in this country, a political party is a Brand, similar to a corporation. In the corporate world, there is no open dissention tolerated in leadership. After debate behind closed doors, the CEO decides what’s best for the Brand. Members of the leadership are supposed to emerge united, whether they agree or not, tow the company line, and not cause harm to the Brand.

#101 Figmund Sreud on 04.01.19 at 8:53 pm

Maybe JWR and her bud Jane were truly…

… maybe. Philpott and Wilson-Raybould: duly elected as politicians – both, devised an explosion within their political party, … and now insist (act like?) that both are, in fact, not really politicians. And never were, …

Calculating, scheming, … shrewd!

Anyway, fitting quote:

“God hath given you one face, and you make yourself another.” ― Shakespeare, Hamlet

Best,

F.S. – Calgary, Alberta.

#102 Mohammad on 04.01.19 at 8:54 pm

For people who said real estate would never go down in the GTA. Paradise homes is selling detached SFH 4000 square-foot homes for 1.3 million in Kleinburg. This was a lot more 2 years ago. New builds will dictate the prices and as of right now they have pulled back on their prices.

#103 the Jaguar on 04.01.19 at 8:56 pm

The Liberals can ‘close ranks’ but they do so at their own peril. This isn’t your garden variety political yawn with most of Joe Six Pack Public’s attention diverted elsewhere. People have been paying attention to this story, and while secretly taping a telephone call might not sit right with everyone the thinking process and justification for doing it becomes a little more obvious when the lying bastards are exposed. What a pathetic weasel was on the other end of that call. And yes, you too Mr. Butts, who thinks you can show up with your little miners pin on your label and claim the moral high ground. You and the rest of your conspirators just got ‘busted’. Big time. No diversionary tactics will change that. Pretty sure Andrew Scheer has a stash of dry powder in safe keeping until the late summer/early fall when all cards will be laid on the table. Fasten your seat belts.
Some go into politics to try to serve their country and make positive change. (Garth). Then there are those who run for office for the power and glory and because it’s all they know. That would be Jason K. A career politician. From Oakville, Ontario. Oh those chickens. They have such a way of coming home to roost.

#104 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.01.19 at 8:58 pm

@#65 Tony
” The Quebec Caisse de dépôt (the province’s public pension plan) is 20% shareholder of SNC. And the company, a century-old Canadian success story, has 9000 employees in Canada. I suppose these don’t count for much?”

+++++

It never ceases to amaze me how people try and justify graft, corruption, influence peddling, and out right sleaze. with , “But Quebec will lose money and jobs!”
SNC has proven time and time and time again that they dont give two sh!ts about Laws and due process.
Did the revelations of the Charboneau Commission corruption hearings for months on tv not sink in?

As someone else mentioned, “If this happened to a company from BC, Alberta, Ont. etc”
You Tony, and 99% of Quebecers would be screaming for SNC blood.

I cant wait to see the other lawsuits no one is talking about.
SNC Shareholders suing for lost revenue, the US Justice Dept circling the blood in the water for their multi billion dollar fines for a pound of flesh.
And they will win.
Pull your head out of the sand Tony.
The “good old days” of corporate sleaze in Quebec are soon done whether you admit it or not.
“Je me souvien” is about to be rewritten.

Even if the Trudeau govt prevails.
SNC is toast.
Count on it.

#105 Robert Ash on 04.01.19 at 8:58 pm

Can someone explain to me, why not following the wishes of the Electorate, is so distasteful. How can any Leaders assume the Job, and then Inflict harm on the very citizens, that supported them…. Simple Polls, using the now Ubiquitous PC, could get the country sailing again… We should be on top of the world, now, with Energy Independence, Lower taxes, New Infrastructuree, and I actually believe all areas of Canada could be firing on all cylinders… I really believe we should be much more prosperous, than we are today or our future foreshawdows… Pipelines for example… just a National Referendum, Immigration, Defense, Labor Law… not that hard to do it right… So can anyone explain, why the easy path to get the major issues, agreed to is not adopted… Take Energy, JT, could have held a National Referendum, and if a fair question was put forward, I believe most Canadians, would accept the verified outcome.. What is the Benefit, to enrage the Electorate? If JT, Butts, Telford, Climate Barbie, had just assumed office, and then gone on Vacation, we would be much better off… and that is a sad statement.

#106 not 1st on 04.01.19 at 8:59 pm

Trudeau and his bandits forgot that most Canadians live 100 miles from Trumpland. They will just drive across the border a couple times a month, eat the currency difference and fill up there, stay overnight take the kids watersliding, get some duty free, some cheap meat and booze. The carbon tax will work by exporting more economic activity out of the country. It wont change behaviors one bit. Trump wins again via our own stupidity. Good one Liberals.

#107 joblo on 04.01.19 at 9:00 pm

Switzerland has democracy
Kanada is a JOKE!

#108 Im stupid on 04.01.19 at 9:02 pm

With all due respect Garth;

What’s the point of having 338 Mps? We all know it’s a one man show when it’s a majority govt. What we have is an elected King. Pathetic!

#109 TalkingPie on 04.01.19 at 9:21 pm

All this nonsense from the current Liberal government reminds me of the famous Mark Twain quote:

“Politicians and diapers should be changed often, and for the same reason.”

#110 Bruce MacLachlan on 04.01.19 at 9:22 pm

The most succinct and brilliant commentary I have read so far.
Someone had to say it. Thank you for that.

#111 Concessionman on 04.01.19 at 9:37 pm

No one ever wakes in National Caucus lol

#112 pay your taxes on 04.01.19 at 9:41 pm

What you’ve described regarding the political system reminds me of our education system. God forbid you disagree with the official doctrine, even if you can back it up with facts and sound logic. I wonder if Trudeau treated his young drama students in the same manner.

#113 Holly Macleod on 04.01.19 at 9:41 pm

Trudeau & Harper Two Bums , Bend over with no pants on & you will probably see one or the other or maybe both ! Communism !

#114 Ace Goodheart on 04.01.19 at 9:45 pm

RE: #2 Old gringo on 04.01.19 at 4:28 pm

I’m not surprised by T2’s attitude.
…..
This fall, he’s toast.
God riddins”

This is the problem. To get rid of the PM, you have to throw out the entire party. Every MP must be tossed. Then you replace them with a group loyal to another party headed by another PM (in this case, Andrew). 5 years’ later, you do it again.

#115 gretatokty on 04.01.19 at 9:56 pm

Garth, your rock n roll renegade streak has a certain Trump-ness about it!

#116 TRON on 04.01.19 at 9:59 pm

I’m not an expert on the parliamentary system but curious to know what the intent of the role of the PM was supposed to be when the system was conceived. Maybe he’s not supposed to be the boss but rather a mediator for consensus.

Anyway, I listened to the Wernick recorded conversation and it seemed like he was being coached live. If you’ve ever had to do a difficult call and needed support in the room from silent listeners to give you coaching on what to say you’d understand. If you listen closely, the conversation does not flow. We know JWR was calculated in her responses because she knew it was being recorded but Wernick kept making repeated points almost like he was a different person. It seemed as if when he wasn’t getting the response he was looking for he asked the same question again with different context. It’s difficult to explain and it’s just a theory but I think Trudeau and a few select advisors were in the room during that call.

#117 Gulnar on 04.01.19 at 10:10 pm

What an article!
Pain and suffering flew like the river of Euphrates.
Words feel like stabbing the heart of political Virgins.
Love and humanity is so much in your character ( may be dogs taught that, this society can’t)
You summed up what what power lust makes people do.
I am going to save this article for future reference.
My last word,
Keep writing as that’s what you do best. You were never supposed to be a financial guru or the liver of a dog, if you were born rich!
Ah! The sadness which never became tear

#118 Djumbe on 04.01.19 at 10:11 pm

Yes individuals at SNC top level who committed crimes should be charged and I believe some have. But if global competitors have access to deferred prosecution agreements so they can stay in business, why shouldn’t Canada have same? If SNC is “toast” as some here would like to see, it means the cost of Canada’s biggest infrastructure projects will skyrocket because SNC will be barred from bidding for 10 yrs. We will all pay more and have less good jobs. The DPA levels financial penalties but doesn’t take the company down. It’s an available tool to be used. Just my 0.02

#119 Herm on 04.01.19 at 10:25 pm

When you enter federal politics hopefully it’s for the right reason: that you feel you can make a contribution and serve your country.

In our parliamentary system of government you choose the party that most closely aligns with your beliefs and values and then you become part of a team. That doesn’t mean that there can’t be disagreements and vigorous debates with fellow MP’s, but it’s done in caucus and when a decision has been made, team unity has to prevail.

Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, though claiming they’re still Liberals, are doing their best to ensure that it’s the Cons that win power next fall and all that that means. They can’t be trusted and the sooner they’re shown the door the better. Other Prime Ministers wouldn’t of waited this long.

#120 TRUMP 2020 on 04.01.19 at 10:29 pm

GARTH…

THE DIFFERENCE between your situation and the current is social media.

You didnt have at that time the spotlight to defend yourself and tell your story like JWR now has. And she will use it to prove her story.

Trust me bro….. When a women is scorned, there aint nothing you can do about.

TRUDEAU IS HEADED TO PRISON!!!!

#121 The Decent Majority on 04.01.19 at 10:37 pm

#63 Tony you are amusing. To defend a sordid company like SNC Lavalife that has carried the putrified stench of corruption for decades. To suggest that it is even necessary. There are other engineering companies in Canada that can do any of the work SNC undertakes, healthy untarnished entities. SNC should have been broken up, sold or buried many years ago. There are places for SNC employees with other companies and they could get their self-respect back. Anybody who defends them now can reap the whirlwind.

#122 Robert Ash on 04.01.19 at 10:38 pm

Here is the Problem… Just Stupid people, even with a PHD in MacroEconomics.. This is Poloz, as quoted in the Globe and Mail; today
“The shift in economic growth toward technology and services is playing a role,” Mr. Poloz said.
He said the length of the current economic slowdown is a “bit of a question mark.
“Growth in Canada’s economy, which was based on trade in natural resources in its early years, is now driven mainly by services,” he said.

Well DUH, most folks, recognise, when Trans Mountain, and Northern Gateway, were just cancelled, for no reason, that this would negatively effect the Energy Sector, then Notely, and Ceilings, Royalty Reviews, Tanker Bans, Investment pushed away…
So we have a CB, who is only now setting policy for one half of the Country, as the big Revenue, and Money making Industry is Hobbled, in favor of Urbanization… And this guy is setting the Policy… See the logic… or incompetence… He is paid, almost $500K, and is manipulating our Currency, to Devalue, our Assets…Why? Why can’t we excell in both, sectors.. Why only one area… it is maddness… and very stupid.

#123 gfd on 04.01.19 at 10:44 pm

Could have told you from the beginning, they are corrupt, and that includes the last election. This fiasco is tied in with the pipeline. Make no mistake. Because it involves FN, BMO, and contracts ultimately going to SNC. No one can tell me that the pipeline was not deliberately delayed. Kinder Morgan was overpaid to “get lost”. Taxpayers will pay, a government contractor will charge far more to build, loans going through BMO…Brisson’s new job. Read the Buffalo Chronicle who has a piece outlining this. They have been contacted to stop reporting on Canada and they have an article on that too. Corrupt as it gets.

#124 gfd on 04.01.19 at 10:48 pm

SNC Lavalin CEO’s wife, employed by Stephen Bronfman, to leave Canada imminently
March 26, 2019 Canada

Emma Griffin and Neil Bruce, the CEO of SNC Lavalin, sold their Montreal home on March 14th for more than $3.3 million. They have not purchased a new home, and Journal de Quebec is reporting that the deed of sale for their Westmount home states that “she will soon become a non-resident of Canada”.

It’s unclear if her move abroad is motivated by fear of criminal charges. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has had an open investigation into the firm since it was indicted by Swiss prosecutors in 2012.

#125 Exurban on 04.01.19 at 10:49 pm

#69 thank you very much for the link to the article by Judge Giesbrecht. Extremely informative, and I say that as one who savours the downfall of Justin.

#126 Steve French on 04.01.19 at 10:52 pm

Regarding the great climate change discussion from yesterday’s GF post:

Was in the Okanagan recently. A long time resident said that he and his family were thinking of moving out because of the non-stop forest fire haze that blankets the region for weeks each and every summer. He’s getting tired of not being able to exercise outdoors without inhaling all that soot and smoke.

“It’s getting worse and worse”, he claimed.

I said to him: “I guess that makes you something of a climate change refugee, huh?”

He replied: “You know…. I never thought of it that way”

#127 Russ on 04.01.19 at 11:05 pm

I’m trying to catch up here.

Let’s see if I have this correct:

Wernick testifies before the Parliamentary Committee (on SNC)

JWR testifies, using prepared notes, before the Parlimentary Committe which, in part, contradicts Wernick’s testimony

Wernick is allowed to testify again to the committee but JWR is not given the chance of rebuttal

JWR releases a recorded conversation which validates her testimony delivered to the committee, from her notes

The Liberal Party as a mostly united front then levels accusations of JWR of being unethical.

Am I missing something?
Cheers, R

#128 cramar on 04.01.19 at 11:06 pm

Right on! As I’ve said for years. It’s two sides of the same coin. The coin is human government.

In Canada people get bent out of shape supporting either Liberals or Conservatives. It doesn’t matter, since they are both just sides on the same coin. Throw in NDP and if they ever won an election they would just replace one side of the coin. The coin is the problem not what side is up or down. In the U.S. the two sides are Dems and GOP. Same coin. Different sides. No difference. Nothing changes since human nature never changes. Power protects itself.

#129 The Fat Lady on 04.01.19 at 11:16 pm

HEY TRUDEAU…..

Every DOG has his day.

Your TIME IS UP……..

#130 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 11:54 pm

#91 Dolce Vita on 04.01.19 at 8:12 pm
#78 n1tro

Dear Ayn Rand Wannabe:

NOBODY or ANY Corporation is above the Laws of the Land.

Now go back to reading your favorite book:

Atlas Shrugged.
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I’m confused. Who is Ayn Rand and what does that have to do with my comment?! Maybe re-read what I wrote about the other poster trying to bait Garth into a straw man argument about SNC and their need to not be prosecuted because they employ people and are a significant holding off pension plans. No where do I say or imply anyone or any company is above the law, in fact I’m saying quite the opposite.

Too much JD tonight triggering you?

#131 gfd on 04.02.19 at 12:01 am

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/27/trudeau-still-wont-let-wilson-raybould-talk-about-bmo-kinder-morgan-or-brison-at-house-hearings/

#132 ulsterman on 04.02.19 at 12:03 am

I’m surprised by the number of compassionate Liberals railing against JWR for recording the conversation. Imagine if this was a US situation and JWR was a Republican and Michael Wernick was one of Trump’s henchmen? All the Canadian Liberals would be baying for Trump’s resignation and staunchly defending JWR’s right to record her own phone calls when asked to do something illegal. I wonder what makes this situation different? Mmmmm.

#133 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 12:05 am

#118 Djumbe on 04.01.19 at 10:11 pm
Yes individuals at SNC top level who committed crimes should be charged and I believe some have. But if global competitors have access to deferred prosecution agreements so they can stay in business, why shouldn’t Canada have same? If SNC is “toast” as some here would like to see, it means the cost of Canada’s biggest infrastructure projects will skyrocket because SNC will be barred from bidding for 10 yrs. We will all pay more and have less good jobs. The DPA levels financial penalties but doesn’t take the company down. It’s an available tool to be used. Just my 0.02
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You forgot to add in the fact that the DPA option was created after the prosecution case of SNC has already started. It was like it was specifically made so that SNC could continue business as usual given they were guilty as sin. Add the inconvenient fact that the prosecutor didn’t want to pursue DPA and that it was no place of the government to try to interfere by trying to circumvent the decision and going to justice Minister to interfere and change the decision and even overrule it. So any valid arguments you made are moot.

#134 Short Commons on 04.02.19 at 12:29 am

April 1: Feds release report saying Canada is warming twice as fast as rest of world.

No, it’s not an April fool’s joke.

https://www.shortcommons.com/2019/04/canada-warming-twice-as-fast-as-rest-of.html

#135 Smoking Man on 04.02.19 at 12:40 am

T2 brings out memories of childhood.

I was in grade 9 or 10 , chemistry class I think.
I devated from the project a bit. I designed and built a remote control plane, even built the radio. Heath Kit for you old time engineers. It flew amazing. The bastared failed me. He did not even know basics of radio

So I shot an elastic band at the back of his head. Bulls eye. He was furious , it didn’t hurt but at that second in time I owned the class. the entire class was cheering me on except for one dip shit who ratted me out.

The suck up got into politics. A liberal what else. It was not Garth.

#136 DON on 04.02.19 at 12:52 am

Independents is the way to go…or outlaw political parties or only allow minority governments. Serious crapola requires serious measure. Our democracy needs to be protected like a child.

This is getting quite stupid. The PM needs to do the right thing and come clean. WHAT A CLOWN SHOW!

The partisan rants are STUPID! People do not forget stuff like this especially the hypocrisy from the PM camp. Poor form…from the soon to be former PM.

#137 CB in Edmonton on 04.02.19 at 1:12 am

I watched a segment on Global National News tonight where 3 Liberal MP’s were calling for JWR and Philpotts to be thrown out of caucas. I would love to see JWR and Philpotts run as Independants against these clowns… I know who I would vote for.

But it will end soon, T2 will be out on his Butz in October.

#138 Ms. Fool on 04.02.19 at 1:13 am

And here we are, many years after the ambush and you are still helping Canadians to get ahead one blog at a time. Thank you for all your years of service M. Turner.

******
We are all screw in the upcoming election, there is no leader to vote for. The party with more money will be the one in office.

#139 Smoking Man on 04.02.19 at 1:22 am

Back in the day before Booze and a smoke took me out of the game. I would enjoy this clip.

I’m not there any more. You will be safe if you meet me at a Vegas pool hotties.

Not owned by hormones any more. Thsts Freedom bitches.

https://youtu.be/iMaJyUQppfwv4

#140 Smoking Man on 04.02.19 at 1:28 am

When you understand. Don’t trust teachers, they are owned and dont know it.

Make a bet kids.

https://youtu.be/QohUdrgbD2k

#141 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.02.19 at 1:29 am

@#118 Dumbo
“If SNC is “toast” as some here would like to see, it means the cost of Canada’s biggest infrastructure projects will skyrocket because SNC will be barred from bidding for 10 yrs. We will all pay more and have less good jobs.”
++++
Please.
Spoken like a true, loyal SNC employee.

OK…my turn.
As a former employee of SNC I can honestly say in the 1.5 years I suffered through their bureaucracy, endless paperwork, and avaricious billing processes….I had enough.
SNc didnt care about the contracts . They just wanted billable hours. All while making all their employees sign “conflict of interest” agreements as the salesman greased the wheels on billion dollars contracts.
Revolting.
The rot is endemic.
And if SNC is banned from bidding for 10 years perhaps that will save taxpayers money ( 22.5 million dollar bribe for the Montreal Superhospital?)
The CBC contract? The Canada Post Contract? The Military Contract? The BC Hydro Contract? The BC Ferries Contract? Canadian Highways Contracts?
On and on and on SNC infests every level of govt everywhere in Canada and ….dare I say…..do you really believe it was “a few people at the top” and they only did it for a few contracts?

Time for a few other Canadian companies to have a legal, unimpeded, uncorrupted chance at bidding in the SNC gravy boat?

Perhaps all those ex SNC employees can apply to work for another company for the same wages?

Just a thought.

SNC
Je me souvien.

#142 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.02.19 at 1:36 am

One can only hope that Jody Wilson Raybould will be quickly booted from the Liberal Party so that she will have enough time to start another Party to suck votes from the cretinous slime that infest the Liberal Lapdog Loyalists.

With Maxime sucking votes from the Conservatives it would make for a 5 Party election.
Nothing like the Balkanization of the Democratic process.
Viva Italia! Beppe Grillo rocks.
Speaking of clowns in office
Has the Ukraine elected the Comedian as the leader of their country yet?

#143 Game Theory on 04.02.19 at 2:23 am

Trudeau loses a major financial backer.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/rockefeller-announces-end-of-major-climate-resilience-initiative-1.1237846

Rockefellers received matching donations from the Obama admin to attack opposition and fund the Green Carpet Baggers, like Testa and Trudeau. Vivienne Krause exposed many Canadian lap dogs who were being funded by Rockefeller to interfere with Canadian elections and fund frivolous lawsuits. Suzuki was paid directly from Rockefeller according to tax records. The climate change fraud is losing, keep heart Alberta, the days of Trudeau are short numbered.

#144 millmech on 04.02.19 at 2:57 am

#45 Barb

I don’t know all what has gone on but there is a loss of integrity by everyone in this matter. All she would have had to say is “I am bound by privilege to not discuss or release any information when I was performing my duties as Justice Minister.”
By her making that statement I would vote for her as leader in a heart beat knowing she had her integrity intact.
Now she seems just as petty as all the others.

Besides by recording that conversation and perhaps others who would trust her?
You couldn’t make her the Justice Minister because how could she negotiate on behalf of the Government in Good Faith if you think she is recording your negotiations and if they do not go her way she will publicly release them. She has already done it once when it has suited her.

Imagine her sitting down to deal with the Chinese over the imprisoned Canadians, would they now take us(her)seriously and trust that she did not have a separate agenda and be recording their every word.

#145 Tony on 04.02.19 at 3:00 am

Re: I voted for Hilary Clinton, and so should you!!!!

I like that name! I wish the people of America could get to see the real election voting results. Hillary probably won by a landslide majority in the voting.

#146 Nonplused on 04.02.19 at 3:14 am

Harper is now pounding the pavement again saying the carbon tax is just an increase in the GST or HST. I’ve been saying that for years. Sure Garth, I know you had problems with the man, but admittedly you went out of your lane, and you weren’t totally ineffective you did give us the TFSA. I think if you’d played your position things would have gone better for you. Harper is probably about 45 IQ points smarter than Trudeau (I’m putting Trudeau at 90 and Harper at 135, neither are geniuses and my evaluation probably inaccurate).

What we are suffering through now is what happens when you elect the bottom 50% of IQ to make the tough decisions. They can’t. They only have emotion to guide them, and no math skills. They think they can and indeed the bottom 50% are very suspicious of anyone that seems smarter than they are, much more so that the top 50% are suspicious of the bottom 50%. That’s because they always used to lose at Monopoly as a kid. They assumed cheating must be occurring (and sometimes was, smart people cheat too, but they cheat smartly).

Anyway, I don’t think you comparing yourself to “JWR and her bud Jane” is totally comparable. You went down if I understand it right for not towing the party line. They are, potentially we don’t know all the facts yet, going down for resisting criminal or at least untoward activity. Trump did not obstruct justice. Trudeau probably has. His excuse of saving jobs doesn’t matter. I think I could be persuaded to stay in my lane for a few years to forward ideas that I thought were good, even if it took a while. But I couldn’t be persuaded to support criminal activity. That’s the problem “JWR and her bud Jane” face. They may be wrong, maybe it’s just a big witch hunt. But we’re going to need to get Mueller up here and find out.

This could potentially be the biggest political scandal in Canadian history. Much bigger than your boss not liking your blog posts. We can’t say for sure, because we don’t have the facts. It needs investigation.

I’m particularly concerned by the press, who just got $600 million in funding from the government, taking the position that it was so so so wrong for JWR to record conversations when she was being pressured, while refusing to report what she recorded and has made available. In today’s world you should assume absolutely everything is recorded. What is important is not the fact it was recorded, but what was on the tape. But the press is on about whether it should have been recorded. They are running the totally wrong story.

#147 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 3:29 am

Don’t be too hard on yourself, Garth. You had a background in media before MP life and thought to bring fresh perspective to the masses concerning the issues of the day, everything out in the open, full disclosure and uniting representatives with constituents, your heart was in the right place but Harper being Harper… yeah, it wasn’t going to end well.

On to Jody. JWR returned a call to Wernick from her home and started to record the conversation before he picked up the phone. Is it unethical to do this? Absolutely and Jody should have known better. She practiced law both as a lawyer and a prosecutor, before her stint as AG/minister of justice and here’s why.

As a lawyer, it is grounds for disbarment from the Canadian Bar Association to record a conversation with your client without disclosure because it opens the door to entrapment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

We normally think entrapment belongs only to police officers but it extends to all players and branches of the law including lawyers and prosecutors. Prosecutors can record someone without their knowledge but 80% of the time the defense will use such evidence against the prosecution in court with an argument for entrapment and often, for good reason. Its for this reason that it is uncommon for prosecutors to use personal recordings of others from themselves being submitted as evidence into a case because they know the defense will argue entrapment and so the defense should!

Here’s the argument. Whenever someone secretly records their conversation with someone else, its not a big leap to realize that the person doing the recording has a premeditated motive and agenda which in laymen terms is to find dirt on someone to bury them with it. The person doing the recording will control the narrative and or flow of the conversation and use canned speech or “script” to sway the defendant into either committing a crime or convince a jury that a crime or misdemeanor had been committed whether evidence existed or not, as jury findings (in this case the public) are often subjective. In other words, to speak plain, its a set up.

Now, in that light, give Jody’s recording a listen in the link below:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/wilson-raybould-snc-1.5078948

Keep in mind as well, that office discussions have note takers so that there is a record in case there are disagreements or discrepancies between government officials but its “known” by all officials that there is a record of the conversation that takes place. In other words, there are “on the record” and “off the record” conversations between officials all the time. For JWR to take an undisclosed off the record phone call like this and put it out there… I’m not a politician, but if I was I would have a difficult time working with a colleague who recorded conversations without disclosure. Such purposes are usually dark, to use either as blackmail or a weapon against you or your fellow colleagues which is the case here. If I was a Liberal MP, I would verbally want her gone regardless of what Trudeau had to say on it.

#148 S on 04.02.19 at 3:31 am

Looks like Socks opened a Pandora’s box and all his attempts to close it continue to result in ever more damage. I would like to see him gone and will be eternally grateful to Ms. JWR for potentially facilitating the process. Having said that perhaps one should read this eye opening article before beatifying the lady just yet: https://www.c2cjournal.ca/2019/03/who-pressured-whom/?fbclid=IwAR065NcUhXwqmS5_4igRskEpYbPdv8jagHqg2vBo1u4hUfpR6Tdsk85Cpas

If half of this is correct SNC Lavalin affair may be the least of our concerns going into the future.

#149 NoName on 04.02.19 at 5:09 am

#99 Long-Time Lurker on 04.01.19 at 8:39 pm
I can’t believe that I looked at all of yesterday’s comments. Why? Why? Why?

Anyway, the national carbon tax had me thinking about “Smack’s Booster.” I read about it many years ago. “Smack” came up with a hydroxygen generator that you hook up to a car’s alternator or battery — electricity, water, and an electrolyte generate the hydroxygen. The hydroxygen gets directed to the air intake of the engine. It was said that they hydroxygen improved the combustion and so cars got slightly better mileage.

Now that we are on a gas milage topic, one of the places i worked for was making something similar to what you just described, whole unit was maybe 2ft3, with and external tank piped in.

This was way back in 99 so i cant recall to many deeteils, i do remember seeing one of the units i built attached to transport truck while was being tested.
At this point i am asuming that some catalist or something was need to brake h2o2 before combustion. i am not sure about chemistry and what went where, but it worked.

@IHCTD9

look in to HHO generator, it would nicely compliment that gassifier of yours.

#150 steblenkung on 04.02.19 at 5:19 am

Speaking of The Shining, the one on the left in the photo has a remarkable ressemblance to the woman in the movie Misery.

#151 Jan Migaard on 04.02.19 at 5:31 am

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/poloz-confident-slowdown-is-temporary-but-stimulus-still-needed

Bwahahaha, this is rich. Poloz is sent to announce the recession in a riding where Trudeaus security cancelled a ‘town hall,’ because his safety couldn’t be guaranteed.

Trudeau’s economy is collapsing, irrespective of the “Happy Days” pronouncements by the CBC. Another champion of propaganda fog , Norm McDonald , came out with another brilliant pronouncement commanding Jody and Lady Philpott to enter purgatory and spin, as he States they’re both dammed for outing Justin.

#152 NoName on 04.02.19 at 6:09 am

#99 Long-Time Lurker on 04.01.19 at 8:39 pm

But looking around further it seems that new cars’ computerized fuel injection offsets the benefits of the booster and puts more fuel into the cylinders when the computer detects a decline in gases. I guess the booster would work with some electronic tinkering to the fuel injection sensor.

Eazy way around it just inject after mass flow intake sensor, now days intake manofolds is made out of plactic anyways. Good thing is that hydrogen ignition point is almost twice as much as gasoline so ignition timing would not be an issue, i think.

In theory you would have gasoline expl. and shortly after hidrogen one, more torque me thinks. Ther are some car manufaturers that use double spark to try to make secendery exp. while piston is in motion down with same mixture and ignite unburned fuel.

Now days with electronic ignition and coils sitting on top of spark plugs it would not be to difficult to fire one more time or even better to make spark last longer…

interesting read about formula 1 engines

http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/engine.html

#153 earthboundmisfit on 04.02.19 at 6:32 am

Thirty six years later, Bill Wilson exacts his revenge on a Trudeau. “Best served cold”…. so they say.

#154 My Big Sister Told Me on 04.02.19 at 6:43 am

The most senior public servant did not speak truth to power. A senior politician defended the values of our institutions to her own detriment. How we react to this is going to send a clear message to future politicians and the public service on what kind of politicians and public servants we want… be careful what message we send.

#155 Ace Goodheart on 04.02.19 at 6:50 am

Re: #134 Short Commons on 04.02.19 at 12:29 am:

April 1: Feds release report saying Canada is warming twice as fast as rest of world.

No, it’s not an April fool’s joke.

https://www.shortcommons.com/2019/04/canada-warming-twice-as-fast-as-rest-of.html

“The effects of widespread warming are evident in many parts of Canada and are projected to intensify in the future. In Canada, these effects include more extreme heat, less extreme cold, longer growing seasons, shorter snow and ice cover seasons, earlier spring peak streamflow, thinning glaciers, thawing permafrost, and rising sea level. Because some further warming is unavoidable, these trends will continue. ”

Sounds good to me. How to we make sure this actually happens?

#156 Ace Goodheart on 04.02.19 at 6:55 am

“thawing permafrost, and rising sea level. Because some further warming is unavoidable, these trends will continue. ”

– the latter half of this comment btw is why I continue to have no respect for the “climate change” doom and gloom group.

They put out this scary piece of op-ed telling us that Canada will suffer more than the rest of the world from global warming, because we are warming faster.

Then they include as one of the things that we will suffer more from, “rising sea level”.

Seriously?

Like it is going to rise here and not anywhere else? How is that even possible?

Oh and for folks who think that sea level is actually going to rise, unfortunately, not for a while now. “They” have determined that Greenland and Antarctica got all of their ice back, and so now the sea level might go down for a while…….

However, this new dawning threat of lowering sea levels is also a symptom of global warming……because it snows now more in Greenland and Antarctica than it used to, due to climate change.

So we better all stop driving our cars and heating our houses in the winter, because we now have to worry about the oceans drying up if we don’t…….

#157 AK on 04.02.19 at 7:01 am

#145 Tony on 04.02.19 at 3:00 am
Re: I voted for Hilary Clinton, and so should you!!!!
“I like that name! I wish the people of America could get to see the real election voting results. Hillary probably won by a landslide majority in the voting.”
====================================
Many Americans will not agree with you.

She lost twice, and finally agreed not to run a third time.

#158 maxx on 04.02.19 at 7:15 am

“……..if the voters made a mistake, then they can correct it in the general election this October.”

Yes indeed. The face of Canada and its economy can only improve.

@ #1:

Cheshire smile? Surely you jest – just watch Mr. Sock’s crinkly-eyed smirks after delivering those endless, meaningless, predigested, vapid messages. I can’t decide whether the smirk means he’s pleased that he actually remembered what to say or that he’s convinced Canadians believe the bs.

As for JWR, nothing will change my mind on this issue. Nada. I have nothing but respect for her.

#159 jess on 04.02.19 at 8:07 am

taping people without consent?
who needs that when :

‘Lawful intercept’ Pegasus spyware found deployed in 45 countries

At least ten operators of Pegasus spyware have deployed the malware outside their country’s border, new Citizen Lab report finds.

==========

read who the “expert” witness is!

https://www.thewhig.com/news/arbitrator-sides-with-ontario-parent-who-refuses-to-immunize-child-cites-anti-vaccination-expert/wcm/7461d0b4-1d45-4d2c-8c05-1fc13eaf8dad

#160 Remembrancer on 04.02.19 at 8:14 am

#135 Smoking Man on 04.02.19 at 12:40 am
T2 brings out memories of childhood.

I was in grade 9 or 10 , chemistry class I think.
I devated from the project a bit. I designed and built a remote control plane, even built the radio. Heath Kit for you old time engineers.
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If I’m reading this right, you hate teachers b/c a CHEMISTRY teacher failed you for assembling an ELECTRONICS project kit instead of doing the chem assignment? Gotcha.

#161 Remembrancer on 04.02.19 at 8:21 am

#145 Tony on 04.02.19 at 3:00 am
Re: I voted for Hilary Clinton, and so should you!!!!

I like that name! I wish the people of America could get to see the real election voting results. Hillary probably won by a landslide majority in the voting.
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They did. Won the popular vote (didn’t matter), lost the electoral college (mattered).

Canadian Fin / RE blog relevance? Understand the real end goal and expect what you inspect / measure. Oh, and there’s no such thing as a sure thing. No matter what, go to Wisconsin at least once FFS. Lake Geneva is gorgeous in the fall…

#162 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.02.19 at 8:24 am

@#146 Firefox
“Such purposes are usually dark, to use either as blackmail or a weapon against you or your fellow colleagues which is the case here.”

++++

Hardly.
JWR knew the pressure was mounting for her to roll over and let SNC off with a plea bargain.
So. she got a little insurance in case the sh!t hit the fan and the whole thing blew up in the Libs face.
She testified exactly what happened ( I belive its called …”the truth”) and then let those idiots hang themselves.

As for recording conversations with politicos who are asking someone to surrender their integrity for the “greater good”.
That one phone call wasnt the beginning or the end of the political pressure for her to “give in”.
This went on for months.
How many other high level PMO people are on tape asking, threatening, demanding her to plea bargain.

I hope she has hundreds of tapes to release slowly over the Spring and Summer to completely nuke the Liberal Party as the politically correct, fantasy world they have created comes crashing down around them.

And behind all the pressure, who was pulling the marionette strings?
Butts? Trudeau? SNC?
The lesson here should be.
Dont threaten a young, bright lawyer with dreams of a political career.

#163 Suburban Bob on 04.02.19 at 8:29 am

134 Short Commons

April 1: Feds release report saying Canada is warming twice as fast as rest of world.

No, it’s not an April fool’s joke.

https://www.shortcommons.com/2019/04/canada-warming-twice-as-fast-as-rest-of.html

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Yes, this is a real wake up call I think.

I think there is also already a trend of those thinking ahead who are buying rural acreages now in Canada. In the near future there will probably be more productive land in this country due to warming as well as increased global food demand as other regions suffer.

Buying rural properties with slightly higher altitudes to resist flooding makes a lot more sense to me now than buying any house in a Canadian city. Lots of these available pretty cheap too, and the herd living in major centres really pay not attention and don’t care or even get it.

Good opportunity for the next few years, perhaps a decade, before the idea starts to spread

#164 dharma bum on 04.02.19 at 8:38 am

This piece by Conrad Black is a great angle on why Trudeau wants Raybould OUTAHERE!

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-snc-lavalin-is-a-sideshow-to-the-real-wilson-raybould-issue

Her high profile in cabinet was merely a conduit for her ulterior motives and ultimate agenda for advocating the return of power to First Nations leaders.

She just wants to turn the clock back hundreds of years and bring back tribalism and indigenous rule to the great white north.

Trudeau is a liar, a cheat, a phoney, a pseudo feminist, and a panderer, but he’s shrewd enough to spot a snake in the grass.

I guess it takes one to know one.

#165 Grantmi on 04.02.19 at 8:53 am

It’s not illegal to tape a personal conversation in Canada. It is in the US unless you let the other party know in some states.

#166 Q2 Class No. 6131 on 04.02.19 at 9:04 am

American governments don’t have to worry about losing confidence votes, so party members can speak and vote as they please without fear of losing their job. In Canada, party indiscipline leads to party defeat – ask Joe Clark.

Trump is a maverick, yet you despise him. Go figure.

#167 Y. Knott on 04.02.19 at 9:04 am

Respect, Garth.

Respect.

Have you considered running for Prime Minister? You’d have my vote, for what that’s worth – ALL democratically-elected politicians should do just like you did!

#168 Remembrancer on 04.02.19 at 9:38 am

#163 Suburban Bob on 04.02.19 at 8:29 am

Tell you what Bob, spend some time understanding the geography of Canada including typology, soil composition conditions, geological features etc. Then look at modern farming techniques, land clearing, etc.

Then lets have a conversation. B/C a lot of that Group of Seven landscape underneath the Northern Lights that isn’t heavily forested is rock or swamp or rocky swamp or swampy rock. Heating it up ain’t gonna change that buddy…

#169 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.02.19 at 9:54 am

It’s hilarious! All of the Liberal sycophants blaming JWR for defending herself are like a bank robber blaming the teller for pushing the silent alarm button.

Maybe if you don’t wanna get caught you shouldn’t rob banks.

#170 Y. Knott on 04.02.19 at 10:03 am

#60 HH on 04.01.19 at 6:42 pm

“I cannot be part of this outrageous corruption by voting in October or ever.”

– So, you’re happy with the Liberals then? Simples: Trudeau was elected by ~40% of Canadians, the ones who voted – AND ALL OF THE ONES WHO DIDN’T.

And so was Harper, in his turn. And so was Trump.

#171 Ubul on 04.02.19 at 10:16 am

#164 dharma bum on 04.02.19 at 8:38 am

This piece by Conrad Black is a great angle on why Trudeau wants Raybould OUTAHERE!

Conrad Black claims that “Wilson-Raybould was seriously underqualified to be minister of justice”.

Being able to refuse bending for political pressure gives JWR the most important passing grade that an AG needs.

As for the sin of JWR’s supposed secret agenda, Conrad Black argues, that “The opposition parties should have shaped up long before this, and taken the position that the Europeans and other immigrants who came to Canada moved into largely vacant land, through which perhaps 200,000 natives travelled nomadically, fine exemplars of a Bronze Age civilization that had not yet developed the wheel, knitted fabrics, or, with slight exceptions, agriculture or durable buildings.”

Imagine we found today a same “largely vacant land”, with a technologically less advanced, not over-populated civilization.

If we tried to invade that new world the same way America was “discovered”, all legal and moral hell would break lose internationally, no doubt about it. What unquestionably doesn’t ring right today, perhaps wasn’t right 150-200 years ago.

#172 Sovavia on 04.02.19 at 10:18 am

Only the greatest fool would look for hope and wisdom in partisan politics.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity (in this scandal, in the next one and in investing too).

Peace, order and good government is still the best system in the world.

#173 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 10:24 am

Politics is hard. Just ask Garth. I think JWR was under qualified as AG/JM and her Indigenous agenda led to serious conflict with PM. This situation will likely set back women’s role in politics a decade or more.

#174 Lost...but not leased on 04.02.19 at 10:45 am

Re: two MPs…

Democracy was ambushed and undermined since day one….as the original plan was to have elected members as independent and NOT to have a party system.

I listened to the 17+ minute tape…and to be honest didn’t think it was that indicting(ie I expected worse), though JWR certainly did her homework, knew her stuff and was very specific in laying out her concerns.

Regardless, nothing has changed….this is simply another example of honest politicians having no place in the current system.Wasn’t T2’s daddy PET that said MP’s are nobody’s 100 ft from parliament hill ?

#175 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 10:45 am

#171 hardly a “secret agenda” JWR co-authored an 800 page manifesto.

#176 Eks dee Siple on 04.02.19 at 11:07 am

#84 Captain Uppa
I agree, it’s the best option, but it ultimately wouldn’t work, dude. Been tried since day one. A ‘true’ democracy was initially a shouting match between rival gangs and whoever ‘shouted the loudest’ even at 51% won. What about the 49%? Too bad, so sad? So, Plato introduced the idea of Philosopher Kings.

Eventually, along came a broader, more modern take on democracy, in which the concepts of ‘elected representatives’ are included in the official definition and meant as a way of ‘institutionalizing’ individual freedom.

Of course, this is hogwash as well. Because the institutions are commandeered by those same rival gangs, either domestic or abroad. Often they use fake names and identities to get elected, as I have shown you, and as Garth continues to ignore. For example, your queen is lucille ball.

We have come a long way since then, apparently. Now, we get Trump and Drug Ford, convicted drug dealer who spends 30 million dollars of taxpayer money to tell us that Trudeau is wasting taxpayer money. LOL.

Days like this, I am glad I am a conspiracy theorist.

#177 LP on 04.02.19 at 11:24 am

#135 Smoking Man on 04.02.19 at 12:40 am

I was in grade 9 or 10 , chemistry class I think.
I devated from the project a bit. I designed and built a remote control plane, even built the radio. Heath Kit for you old time engineers.

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So if it was a “kit”, can you honestly say you “designed and built” that project? Maybe you should have said, “read the instructions and then assembled” that kit. Sort of makes you just one of the guys and not the mechanical genius you think you are.

#178 Questionable on 04.02.19 at 11:28 am

Then again, dissenting party members are arguably part of the reason that Brexit is still unresolved…. Just sayin.

#179 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 11:36 am

#173 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 10:24 am
Politics is hard. Just ask Garth. I think JWR was under qualified as AG/JM and her Indigenous agenda led to serious conflict with PM. This situation will likely set back women’s role in politics a decade or more.
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So what you are saying is that JWR was unqualified yet got put into a position over more qualified female and male candidates? The fact she is a native…another part of Trudeau’s consideration? Probably not a requirement but a bonus right?

By trying to trash JWR, you are indirectly saying Trudeau violated the charter of rights and sexually discriminated against white males and women that are more qualified! Bit of a circle jerk don’t you think?

As for setting the women’s movement back…I won’t speak for women but I’m confident part of their movement was to be treated equally to men and afforded to the same opportunities. Being picked based on having an extra X chromosome and being native while being “under qualified” is the exact opposite of the women’s movement.

What has been set back is the fake feminist movement of virtue signalling. Thank god.

#180 Bobby on 04.02.19 at 12:12 pm

Just think, the party of the sponsorship scandal and the I’m entitled to my entitlements crowd, throwing out two accomplished and principled MPs. They were the strength of the Liberal front bench.
This won’t end well for Trudeau. Rather than making the decision to have them ousted, he will leave that to the caucus showing a complete lack of leadership. The veneer is peeling off his facade rather quickly and I’m left wondering how much longer the Liberals will allow him to lead the party into oblivion. There is now criticism of his lack of leadership from all quarters.
Going forward, the completely inept Liberals will be a referred to as the party of Justin Trudeau.

#181 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 12:12 pm

#179 I agree. I don’t know who the other candidates for AG/JM were but I have no doubt it suited the PM well to appoint a relatively young Indigenous woman. I was optimistic at first but the unfolding sh*t show suggests this will not end well. Don’t you think this debacle could be used as an excuse not to put women in positions of power going forward? I honestly do not believe JWR has the good of the entire country as her motivation.

#182 Exurban on 04.02.19 at 12:22 pm

#141 crowdedelevator

SNC-Lavalin also played a major role in the Muskrat Falls hydro development in Labrador, now several billion dollars over budget and endangering the financial stability of Newfoundland.

‘We’re falling behind’: How Muskrat stumbled because of turmoil with SNC-Lavalin

Excerpt:
SNC-Lavalin was awarded the EPCM contract in 2011, with Hussey tasked to oversee the company’s procurement practices for Nalcor.

But he quickly noticed a wide range of issues that caused him concern, and held nothing back Friday as he fingered the company for causing a lot of headaches in the early going.

Hussey said many of the key personnel promised by SNC never did join the project, either because they were committed to other projects or refused to move to Newfoundland and Labrador, which was a requirement of the benefits strategy.

And he also noticed a “disconnect” between SNC’s engineering and procurement teams, and had concerns about the level of experience of those in key positions.

[…]

When SNC was awarded the EPCM contract, it proposed doing the work for 2.5 million labour hours. But by the time the final project cost estimate was prepared, SNC had more than doubled the number of hours required, a development that “shocked” Nalcor executives, said Hussey.

This is notable because SNC had signed a reimbursable-style contract, which meant it would be paid for hours worked, without having any “skin in the game,” is how inquiry co-counsel Kate O’Brien described it.

Hussey said this was another factor in the decision to change SNC’s role, and create joint management teams.

For example, said Hussey, SNC has proposed 275 people to manage construction of the Labrador-island transmission link, while Nalcor, through an integrated team, was able to reduce that to between 65 and 70 people.

“It caused some concern and as a result this is one of the things which left some doubt in what the strategy was from an SNC perspective,” Hussey said.

#183 saskatoon on 04.02.19 at 12:24 pm

garth,

how can you write an entry like this, and yet still be in favor of involuntary taxation at the end of a gun?

#184 Dups on 04.02.19 at 12:32 pm

I wish there were more people in politics like you Garth.

Politics is a dirty mud game. You can try to stay clean, but others will make you dirty.
We see politics everywhere not just Government; at work; in neighborhoods; in cities; everywhere…
When there is money, power, and crowds involved, people often are not themselves.
If politicians do not have:

+Freedom to express their opinion,
+Urge to Continuously Improve their knowledge,
+Purpose… to care for the people,

They will never be happy no matter how much they get paid! If they are not in politics for the 3 points above, they are there for the wrong reasons.

#185 James on 04.02.19 at 12:46 pm

#158 maxx on 04.02.19 at 7:15 am

“……..if the voters made a mistake, then they can correct it in the general election this October.”

Yes indeed. The face of Canada and its economy can only improve.

@ #1:

Cheshire smile? Surely you jest – just watch Mr. Sock’s crinkly-eyed smirks after delivering those endless, meaningless, predigested, vapid messages. I can’t decide whether the smirk means he’s pleased that he actually remembered what to say or that he’s convinced Canadians believe the bs.

As for JWR, nothing will change my mind on this issue. Nada. I have nothing but respect for her.
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I don’t believe sock boy and the loser liberals that support him will be around unless we are dumb enough to be fooled by shinny things. Perhaps he will shead some tears as he orates his feelings about how mean “People-kind” can be to others!
I say he is a typical lying politician and those who elected him may now see what a disaster he is.
Thanks for the China deal, the countless major manufacturing jobs, the economic boom, the ballsy methods you used to stand up to other country’s that threatened Canada. Oh but we all got POT!!!!!!!!!
Wow your biggest legacy T2 will be that you gave every stoner pot head out there legal marijuana. Great move Mr socks gee thanks for nothing.

#186 Stan Brooks on 04.02.19 at 12:55 pm

An incompetent lair or a scam artist?

Judge yourself.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-canadas-poloz-leaves-reference-190804593.html

#187 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 1:02 pm

#162 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.02.19 at 8:24 am

If you honestly think that, you are partisan blind and simply can’t see it for what it is (something I’ve accused you of in the past so, not surprised). Think for a moment… when did we first hear Bev McLachlin’s name in the news cycle on this story, it was weeks ago, not days ago, before the probe hearings. Why did we hear her name?

For those who don’t know who Beverly McLachlin is, she basically runs the Supreme court of Canada and for good reason (Mulroney appointee, as if it matters, in Canada they are appointed on merit). Think about it, we hear an undisclosed off the record recording by JWR concerning a civil servant who requests a meeting between an AG and Beverly McLachlin to discuss the use of a legal DPA in this case and this request is met with some script speech by JWR on how optically legally improper it is to even consider it. Anyone not partisan blind has to wonder why that is. In legalize, its a classic case of attempted “entrapment”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

You think Jane Philpott’s interview with Maclean’s Magazine talking about “more story to tell” didn’t smell of blackmail or evidence that can be used as a weapon behind the scenes as described? It was a public threat planted for a reason, that’s how it works. Maybe Philpott was unwitting, I don’t know but if she was, she was played by her close friend JWR to do as described.

Again, it goes back to motive. Why did JWR record him in the first place off the record? This isn’t about political pressure, its a classic case of entrapment and we’re seeing it play out in public with the public basically too legally uneducated to understand what’s going on. Btw, that can change in a media click bait “gotcha” world that doesn’t swallow koolaid but goes for the most views. JWR crashes and burns, the news cycle continues, maybe she walks the floor and joins another party but I doubt it. Regardless of party affiliation, who in their right mind wants to work with someone who without consent, records their own? If she joined the Conservatives, it would mean JWR is daddy’s little girl (her dad is a staunch Conservative) and she was a mole all along. I doubt that, instead we will witness the end of her career in politics and rightfully so.

The media can relax knowing it makes Trudeau look bad regardless for ever recruiting her in the first place so they lose no customers. No doubt, T2 had good intentions recruiting her, one can see it on JWR’s ministerial mandate if anyone cares to look but Trudeau didn’t catch the fact that JWR has been a political operative for a dozen years before politics and character goes beyond diversity and party stripe as people are not all as they seem.

T2 is learning some hard lessons on trust and it comes with a price but maybe not so high a price as people think for here, on one hand, we have histrionic Scheer asking for Trudeau to resign…. over what, this? Is this the only merit needed to take political power in Canada, histrionic exaggeration of the facts or worse? Canadians deserve better than a histrionic dog and pony show. Truly. T2 will survive it and be better for it in the long game. Not sure about all the other moving parts but he will survive it in theory anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_McLachlin

Ministerial mandate is touched upon here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Wilson-Raybould

#188 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 1:04 pm

#181 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 12:12 pm
#179 I agree. I don’t know who the other candidates for AG/JM were but I have no doubt it suited the PM well to appoint a relatively young Indigenous woman. I was optimistic at first but the unfolding sh*t show suggests this will not end well. Don’t you think this debacle could be used as an excuse not to put women in positions of power going forward? I honestly do not believe JWR has the good of the entire country as her motivation.
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In the current environment where the mere accusation of sexual harassment will get a man fired or career ruin, I don’t think it will set back the over swing of women being placed in positions because “it’s the right thing to do”.

I think/hope going forward that positions of power are occupied by the most qualified. Period.

I agree with you JWR is not leader material. Mavericks usually have a hard time getting others to follow them. JWR recording the conversation with Wernick confirms to me that when pressured, she will save herself over others. I contend that Jane Philpott would make the best leader for the Liberals which would sway me to vote red. At least with her background (science), decisions would be based on facts and not virtue signalling ideology.

#189 Deplorable Dude on 04.02.19 at 1:14 pm

#127 Steve French

“It’s getting worse and worse”, he claimed.

I said to him: “I guess that makes you something of a climate change refugee, huh?”

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Nothing to do with climate change. 40% of the fires are manmade. The rest can be put down to bad forest management….i.e. not having controlled burns.

Globally forest fire burn acerage has decreased.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-bc-is-burning-is-climate-change-really-to-blame/

#190 Stan Brooks on 04.02.19 at 1:28 pm

The degree of corruption and authoritarian rule in this poor but expensive third world country owned by oligopolies and banks is mind-blowing.

Being able to escape from it relativity unscathed, you start to enjoy the simple life elsewhere, the relative freedom and happiness, independence, far away from the mental institution.

Literally unable to do anything productive, just enjoying being away from the idiotic circus.

Cheers,

#191 Ubul on 04.02.19 at 1:33 pm

WaPo and CNN wants Trump to confront Russia in Venezuela.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-02/cnn-wapo-demand-trump-further-escalate-tensions-russia

That was before China also sent troops to the South American country.

Will these fools now demand more tariffs to punish China or eat crow?

#192 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 1:42 pm

#187 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 1:02 pm

My bad, Beverly McLachlin no longer serves as a Supreme court justice since Dec 2017. Still would make an excellent consultant on DPA’s though.

#193 jess on 04.02.19 at 1:43 pm

Unicorn companies valued @1B./ launches ready 300 IPO’s according to Bloomberg and FT. And yet none have made a dime …similarities ?

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2019/03/is-wall-street-putting-lipstick-on-ipo-pigs-or-unicorns/

#194 jess on 04.02.19 at 1:51 pm

this stephen moore scrubbed from google search but will he be shunnned?

Moore has also sat on the Board of the super-secretive non-profit, Donors Capital Fund, which is used by Charles Koch and other right-wing donors to secretly sluice money to their climate denial front groups and other favorite causes. In 2008, Donors Capital Fund secretly funneled $17,778,600 into the obscure Clarion Fund so that it could release 28 million DVDs of the race-baiting documentary, Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West. This avalanche of DVDs was inserted in major newspapers across America just seven weeks before the Presidential election, in the midst of a whisper campaign that Presidential candidate Barack Obama was a Muslim. The DVDs flooded households in the swing voter states. (See “Koch Footprints Lead to Secret Slush Fund to Keep Fear Alive,” Wall Street On Parade’s exclusive investigative report.)

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2019/03/koch-funded-group-scrubs-stephen-moores-history-now-that-trump-wants-him-on-the-fed/

#195 Adam on 04.02.19 at 2:34 pm

Trudeau will be gone this fall. We will all be better off.

#196 not 1st on 04.02.19 at 2:43 pm

I imagine it will be time for a TFSA post again how only a fraction of people have any savings etc. Well the choices couldn’t be more clear. Pay your mortgage, heat your home, drive to work or invest in your future.

#197 Dario on 04.02.19 at 2:46 pm

On Wednesday two women with balls will be punted from the Trudeau Liberal caucus….

Garth, I’ve always appreciated your crafty and colourful writing. Its a skill you’ve honed well, and clearly enjoy. Happy to read it almost daily.

I also know you want us to build a better society – and while you were a Conservative MP – having met you personally multiple times, I know you’re not like the small-minded and incompetent conservatives who have all the attention now.

Having said all that, it would be helpful if you didn’t use ‘balls’ to describe the general human attributes of competence, ethics, and standing firmly in one’s shoes.

By using ‘balls’, you’re saying that “these women measure up to us men” The implication is that men are stronger, women are weaker, and these women are an exception.

With one word – using ‘balls’ as a casual attempt at humour – you’ve reinforced the patriarchal idea of men’s superiority. Its not very becoming.

How is the ring of describing a male, who is competent, has ethics, and stands firmly in his shoes, as “a man with a vagina”? Is it the same as “women with balls” ?
After all, such a man would be similar in qualities to the two women you are attempting to complement with sexist language.

Garth, I know this isn’t what you’re trying to do. You know you can do and be better.

Your choice of words doesn’t help the cause of making the world a better place. Words do matter.

There’s a zillion ways to inject humour without sounding assholish. Your comedy is skill which comes naturally… but even an old dog can polish his tricks!

#198 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 2:47 pm

Genuine question – Why does she want to stay in caucus and run again as Liberal if she disagrees so strongly with PM?

He is not the party. Your question reflects all that is wrong with the system. – Garth

#199 Shawn Allen on 04.02.19 at 2:54 pm

Energy Contribution to GDP is stable?

Would you believe? Stats Can figures show “Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction” as 7.83% of Canada’s GDP in 2018 versus 7.85% in 2014 and 7.2% in 2016.

And the “Energy Sector” was 9.3% of GDP in 2018 versus also 9.3% in 2014.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3610043403
Oil prices were much higher during much of 2014.

But this particular compilation of GDP uses “Chained 2012 dollars” which seem to be a strange type of dollars indeed. Not to be confused with either current nominal dollars or real 2012 dollars. Well, I’m confused.

But I think the idea is that if oil prices drop by half but the industry keeps producing at the same rate then it might not be fair to view that as a big drop in GDP from that industry.

#200 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 3:03 pm

#189 Deplorable Dude on 04.02.19 at 1:14 pm

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/2018-wildfire-season-now-worst-on-record-in-british-columbia-provincial-state-of-emergency-extended/110336/

We had 2 back to back record forest fire years in BC burning up 2.7% of the province. BC in all of its hey day logging has never logged percentages of forest this high. In 2018, according to the weather network, 73% of the fires were started by lightning strikes. The third highest fire season was in 1958 taking .9% of the province by area so the last 2 fire seasons have been by past precedent, “extreme”. Meanwhile, the last 4 years of global average temperatures have been the top 4 warmest global temp years on record.

Coincidence?

Your claim of not enough controlled burns leading to more fires is rubbish. Roads and fire guards help with barriers and access but on windy days fires will jump them so they are far from bullet proof and your claim that forest fires have decreased world wide is also wrong:

https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-is-increasing-forest-fires-around-the-world/a-19465490

Meanwhile, in the real world, the climate change related pine beetle infestation killing off pine in BC has and is still creating a huge fuel problem for future forest fires. Slowing jet streams especially in summer are keeping BC from getting the summer rains they’ve relied on in the past and as these jet streams power out at higher altitudes off the coast and are forced to go North over Alaska and south/east of the rockies, (leading to record temps in Alaska as we speak) BC forests will continue to be subjected to more intense heatwaves and stuck weather patterns causing more forest fires from dry lightning with all that extra fuel to burn.

When the Arctic ocean ice cap disappears over summer and today’s weakened jet streams turn into trickles, expect drama. I truly fear for the future of BC’s forests, in particular the latter 2020’s, as we really only have a few normal years of weather left. (if you can call it normal) We will be looking at a new normal or new climate state with Arctic blue ocean events in summer and won’t have long to wait…. I think 5 years or less.

I have to remind myself to chill at times and not to get upset over such wilful ignorance. These words are all I’ve got, but they help:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22:11-13&version=NKJV

#201 jess on 04.02.19 at 3:06 pm

UPDATE 3-North Carolina Republican Party chairman charged in …
https://uk.reuters.com/…politics…/update-2-north-carolina-republican-party-chairman-…

1 hour ago – According to the indictment, the four men promised to spend millions of dollars on Causey

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North Carolina’s Republican Party has suffered a series of setbacks after several years in which it was able to push through spending cuts, voting restrictions, and other conservative policies.

An absentee ballot fraud scheme run by a party operative has forced the rerun of a 2018 U.S. congressional election, and a federal court rules last year that state Republicans illegally drew U.S. congressional districts to benefit their party. ‘s re-election if he would remove an insurance …

#202 LP on 04.02.19 at 3:11 pm

Balls

= guts, fortitude, courage, bravery, spine, heart, spunk,
perseverance, strength, backbone, toughness, vigor

Note, I am not saying J W-R posesses all or any of these attributes. I am saying any woman or man of conviction may embody these characteristics. You know who comes to my mind from times past? Mrs. Golda Meir of Israel.

#203 Barb on 04.02.19 at 3:11 pm

#181 Djumbe

“Don’t you think this debacle could be used as an excuse not to put women in positions of power going forward?”

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That’s ridiculous, except by the most insecure of leaders.

#204 Ubul on 04.02.19 at 3:17 pm

#195 Djumbe on 04.02.19 at 2:47 pm

Genuine question – Why does she want to stay in caucus and run again as Liberal if she disagrees so strongly with PM?

He is not the party. Your question reflects all that is wrong with the system. – Garth

Thumbs up, Garth!
People can’t even imagine parties not operating in Soviet-style centralization of power and the leader’s personal ownership of the entire platform that the party represent.

#205 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 3:44 pm

#197 Dario on 04.02.19 at 2:46 pm

Having said all that, it would be helpful if you didn’t use ‘balls’ to describe the general human attributes of competence, ethics, and standing firmly in one’s shoes.
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I don’t know anyone that literally thinks when describing a person with having “balls”, means they have testicles and that alone makes them do what they do. We ain’t living in the 50s and the use of “balls” is not linked to one’s sex. Similar to “chink” not being linked (was really ever?) to asians.

The way Garth used the term was not one of “humor” so not sure where that came from.

Now if Garth said the 2 ladies acted “manly” and stood up to the PM, then I can see your point.

#206 Ubul on 04.02.19 at 3:45 pm

#181 Djumbe

“Don’t you think this debacle could be used as an excuse not to put women in positions of power going forward?”

For morons anything can be used as excuse.
Like banning from positions of power: lawyers, people of colour, people wearing matching pair of socks, off-springs of former political leaders.

#207 jess on 04.02.19 at 3:48 pm

small balls” vs “having large balls” has been used to mean “brave”

If a person doesn’t have balls, there is currently no way to grow a pair. You are telling them to do the impossible.

unless one is a hermaphrodite? ;)

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https://www.liberal.ca/openness-and-transparency/

We will amend the Access to Information Act so that all government data and information is made open by default in machine-readable, digital formats.
We will also ensure that Access to Information applies to the Prime Minister’s and Ministers’ Offices, as well as administrative institutions that support Parliament and the courts.
We will create an all-party national security oversight committee to monitor and oversee the operations of every government department and agency with national security responsibilities

#208 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 3:49 pm

Checking out headlines quickly before I have to rush off and I stumbled onto this quote from where Lib MP’s stand on JWR:

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Liberal+MP+reactions+to+wilson+raybould&FORM=NWRFSH

Ontario MP Yasmin Ratansi: “They are neophytes.”

Defined: a person who is new to a subject, skill, or belief.

Yasmin has been around too. I think she nailed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasmin_Ratansi

#209 NoName on 04.02.19 at 4:01 pm

of topic but important

If you are quoting or pasting links to wiki pages noone is taking you serous, you can be self proclaimed sme (subject matter expert) on a subject but wikis takes all cred from your post. You better of doing reddit links, in my humble opinion.

I actualy do mderate few pages on wiki, let that sink in.

#210 Remembrancer on 04.02.19 at 4:10 pm

#205 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 3:44 pm
(was really ever?)
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Yes n1tro, unless you are specifically, clearly in context, referring to a vulnerability using the idiom as “in one’s armour” it should be considered a racial slur…

#211 James on 04.02.19 at 4:16 pm

Hey Mr Socks! You’ve been served! Epic Mic Drop………….

https://nationalpost.com/news/read-the-letter-jody-wilson-raybould-sent-liberal-mps-as-they-consider-whether-to-kick-her-out-of-caucus

#212 RyYYZ on 04.02.19 at 4:21 pm

#187 Crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 1:02 pm

Talk about blind partisanship. You think the biggest problem here is JWR? Not the overly cosy relationship between SNC Lavalin (among other large, connected corporations in Canada) and the government? Not the fact that the DPP legislation was tabled after the criminal prosecution of SNC Lavalin had begun? Not the large number of lobbying meetings taken by the Liberals with SNC Lavalin while this prosecution was underway?

#213 Dario on 04.02.19 at 4:44 pm

#202 LP on 04.02.19 at 3:11 pm
You say:

Balls

= guts, fortitude, courage, bravery, spine, heart, spunk,
perseverance, strength, backbone, toughness, vigor

There is zero doubt that ‘balls’ is a euphemism for testicles. We’re not talking soccer balls or tennis balls here. Only men have testicles.

You’re embodying exactly the problem, — filling in the gaps a bit — your use of language has it that “People with testicles (ie: men) have guts, fortitude, courage, bravery, spine, heart, spunk, perseverance, strength, backbone, toughness, vigor”.

This use of language is rooted in the biological function of semen which comes (partly) from said testicles, which together with an ovum, can form a zygote. All those adjectives point back to virility.

We can use better language than this to build a better society and get along better. We don’t need to perpetuate old uses of language which are sexist. Words do matter.

Men don’t have these attributes by extension of of having testicles, as many men don’t.

Women who have these attributes shouldn’t have to be referred to as being man-like or having men’s genitalia or similar. They are simply capable women.

LP, you can be better.

Garth, your decision to post and not purge my earlier comment, shows you are better than your attempt at quick wit showed. Thanks for that.

#214 Dario on 04.02.19 at 5:07 pm

#205 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 3:44 pm
You said:
Similar to “chink” not being linked (was really ever?) to asians.

Ask any Asian, and they will absolutely confirm that this term is to Asians as the so-called N-word is to Black people.
It is without a doubt a racist slur.

Treat your fellow humans better and just purge that word from your vocabulary…help build a better world.

#215 IHCTD9 on 04.02.19 at 5:15 pm

#213 Dario on 04.02.19 at 4:44 pm

Only men have testicles.
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Wrong.

Now what?

#216 Mr Happy on 04.02.19 at 5:34 pm

Make a deal with Andrew. Cross the floor NOW!!!

#217 IHCTD9 on 04.02.19 at 5:35 pm

#210 Remembrancer on 04.02.19 at 4:10 pm
#205 n1tro on 04.02.19 at 3:44 pm
(was really ever?)
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Yes n1tro, unless you are specifically, clearly in context, referring to a vulnerability using the idiom as “in one’s armour” it should be considered a racial slur…
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So if I owned an old log cabin that needed some repair, it would be fine to say “there’s a chink in my chinking”? :)

#218 IHCTD9 on 04.02.19 at 5:53 pm

#207 jess on 04.02.19 at 3:48 pm
small balls” vs “having large balls” has been used to mean “brave”

If a person doesn’t have balls, there is currently no way to grow a pair. You are telling them to do the impossible.

unless one is a hermaphrodite? ;)
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I used to own several modified 5.0’s in my youth, one was a high 10 second car.

Everyone said it really had a lot of balls.

Did they mean a lot of ball bearings?

I think AC/DC wrote a highly informative song on the ball size question. According to Bon, everyone has big ones, just not quite as big as his.

#219 crazyfox on 04.02.19 at 7:34 pm

#212 RyYYZ on 04.02.19 at 4:21 pm

I obviously largely disagree with you. The biggest problem really is JWR. Her ethical conduct relating to recording civil servants off the record or even merely failing to disclose, simply cannot be understated. The reason why its a quick jump for me to entrapment is because it is! She looked for dirt, tried to blackmail with what she had and now she owns it.

With Lavalin and listen to me me carefully when I say this, Lavalin has a number of lawsuits against them and the government needs to handle them on a case by case basis.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/snc-lavalin-corruption-fraud-bribery-libya-muhc-1.5010865

Consider how they get work for a moment. A mining corp (TSX is the premier mining exchange in the world btw) gets financing to construct a mine so they contract Lavalin for the engineering and partial construction. This requires permits and access to build the mine or dam or plant or whatever it is.

When it comes to Libya and other despots and dictatorships like Muammar Gaddafi’s regime, if you have to bribe government officials to gain access, if that’s the realistic cost of doing business and there is no other way to get it done, one has to work within the confines of the laws of the land. If there is no rule of law, what do you do? Tell everyone to sit at home and watch the next corporation come in and do the same thing with your reputation for getting things done out the window? No, you pay for access and put people to work getting it done.

Lavalin paying to millions to access Gaddafi’s regime, I don’t like it, room for improvement but I won’t lose sleep over it. With Lavalin/Libya, a DPA with a big fine works well for me. (speaking for myself obviously). Again, its the cost of doing business like, say, the Brad Wall government paying $ 410,000 for a congressional appointment to see a Republican congressman over oil commitments. All legal bribery, excuse me, campaign contributions, again, the cost of doing business and we just have to know stories like that aren’t a one off, its routine. Welcome to the rule of law in America. I don’t like it, but when you do international business you can’t make up the rules in foreign countries, you have to live with them or stay home.

What I do care about is when Lavalin bribes government officials where the rule of law exists and is upheld, like right here at home. What Lavalin did with the MUHC scandal bribing public 2 high end public servants in Quebec to win a construction contract building a 1.2 billion dollar hospital in Quebec, now that gets my blood flowing, that gets my attention. Now that is an example of corruption that truly does earn large punitive damages to Lavalin.

What we can infer with Lavalin bribing public servants here at home, is that is that there is no respect for the rule of law anywhere in the world by Lavalin and with the number of charges and accusations held against them over the years, is it safe to say that a culture of corruption exists there? Sure looks like that to me.

So how does one stop it? At the end of the day corporate decisions are made by 9 guys in a room. Not just the CEO persay as one would think but the most important decisions are jointly made with the largest share holders generally chief among them, the chairman of the board. Make 9 guys in a room accountable including the fattest shareholder among them and all of this ends. The corporation still rolls along and employees still go to work and the board vacancies are filled so you don’t lose the corp itself if it has merit in this world but accountability has taken place and often with new personnel comes with it a new way of doing business.

Of course right now what I speak of is a total pipe dream because governments world wide are not holding those most responsible to account! The 9 guys in a room have found ways to do whatever they want and get away with it pretty much everywhere in the corporate world, world wide and when the few who get caught are charged with their white collar crimes, they do a couple years and walk or in the case of Lavalin’s CEO concerning Montreal, exhile to the Bahama’s and die of a heart attack or something.

I.e, true justice doesn’t exist in general, welcome to the real world. The guilty often go unpunished and the innocent pick up the tab. At the heart of our world problems is concentrated wealth and power magnifying true entitlement to walk away from justice and its not just in the hands of a few, this world’s problems aren’t structural or technical, they are moral. Immorality is everywhere, in every place humanity exists. We think its going to change with a new change in government or a new change in systems and laws and the way of doing business and sometimes it works at some level, we can’t stop pursuing excellence regardless of the result but! It doesn’t change the fact that our efforts to try to bullet proof a system from corruption won’t stop people themselves from being corrupt and find ways to get around justice. Again, its a moral issue but we have to try.

Speaking of justice, what did JWR do concerning corporate crime and the evil that 9 guys in a room do, did she light the world on fire holding those to account? She was the AG for 3 years, does anyone actually think JWR brought up the need for stiffer laws and penalties to be introduced into the house of commons relating to white collar crime to a majority ruled federal government cabinet meeting, as an example? Did she try? Even once? Most never do. Too many distractions, too much agenda, not enough vision and on it goes:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pm-removes-jody-wilson-raybould-jane-philpott-from-liberal-caucus-1.4362044

#220 LP on 04.02.19 at 8:45 pm

To Dario at #213

It wasn’t my intention to equate those words only with men. Instead I was trying to provide a number of alternatives to a word that seemingly applies only to males. My substitutes apply equally to females too.

#221 Tony on 04.02.19 at 8:47 pm

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#222 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.02.19 at 9:32 pm

Wow, the Liberal shills are out en masse now.

Double down, dorks!

#223 Saggy Butts on 04.03.19 at 12:17 am

#221 Tony. Didn’t JWR record Trudeaus staffer saying they could manipulate the media by pressing hundreds of op-ed writers into service? You’re seeing it. BTW, publicists have always been around. I wrote lies for a political party myself for a fee, mostly lies But I haven’t seen this much outright rage against the truth since 2015 when George Soros and Rockefeller teamed up for the Hate Harper Campaign in 2014/15.

#224 Dups on 04.03.19 at 9:44 am

#197 Dario on 04.02.19 at 2:46 pm

You are overthinking this too much. Let Garth express himself in the way he likes, do not take his inspiration and autonomy away. It feels like you are twisting his words to make your point of view.

#225 JAM on 04.03.19 at 1:11 pm

IF, IF, IF we could rely on honesty from the people involved in this SNC affair then what Jody did could be considered unethical. Given the responses that have come from the officials we can see why she felt compelled to record the conversation. Is this atypical? No. It is also present in the court system where the content of evidence is dismissed because of the means by which it was acquired.

My problem is, what will be done differently next time? Probably nothing. We will not hold these official s accountable. We perpetuate the relief of “white collar” criminal activity, in this case due to the impact it would have on the employment of many. I sympathize with this but this is, has to be seen as, a problem. Can a society really function properly when there are two sets of rules. NO. Eventually no one will be inclined to a person of integrity, judging an action by its merit and not by the circumstances of the person who performed the act.

Until the powers that be display the integrity they claim to possess, Jody has my full support.