The bear tax

April Fool’s, fellow beavs. Monday brings a fat little tax increase that most of us will be powerless to avoid. Unless you stop driving. Or flying. Or heating your house. Or taking hot baths. Showers. Or cooking your food. Or buying food, for that matter. In fact anything involving energy will cost more if you live in Manitoba, Ontario, Saskatchewan and NB. (In the other provinces you’re already coping with this, in stages.)

Yes, the carbon tax. Set at $20 a tonne, it means 4.6 cents more per litre of gas, plus a jump in your natgas or propane bill. This is just the start, as the T2 gang plans on jacking it up 150% over the next three years.

Why?

So you’ll use less energy and save the polar bears. It’s the centrepiece of Ottawa’s climate change strategy. And it’s not simple. The idea is to penalize activities people cannot avoid (especially if you live outside of a city with transit, or have a furnace), then rebate about 80% of the extra tax by means of credits, which must be applied for. Those rebates start at $128 per year, and the cost of tabulating and processing them is unknown.

Proponents stridently argue this is progress. Global temperatures have risen to the point where weather’s changing in ways that will affect food production, make some places uninhabitable and create millions of climate refugees. The science, they claim, is irrefutable. Without political action, we’re doomed. Crispy critters.

Deniers say weather has changed for millennia, there’s no clear evidence man has caused this phase, and for all we know a new ice age could be next. Layered over this is the sauce of populist politics. Taxing energy or curtailing activities allowing people to survive, care for their families and earn a living is an assault on liberty, they allege. It’s part of the globalist, one-world agenda to make everyone subservient to governments and the elites controlling them. Resist at all costs.

Practical opponents include the premiers of the provinces about to be whacked. They may not deny climate change, but they argue this is no way to run a country. And so there are court challenges. In Alberta they’re fighting an election, with this as a centrepiece. Lots of people wonder in a country where citizens have to spend big money just to stay thawed for half the year if this is the straw that will break us.

Recall what this pathetic blog told you last week about household debt (epic) and savings rate (disaster). When four in ten people consistently say they’re one missed paycheque from crisis, and a third are retiring with no money or pension, is taxing their heat, food and gas in the name of Al Gore and David Suzuki justified?

Doug Ford (Ont) claims it will hasten recession. Blaine Higgs (NB) says it nails rural folks who must drive. Brian Pallister (Man) argues his province has spent billions on clean power infrastructure, and should be exempted. Scott Moe (Sask) maintains the feds have no constitutional authority to tax citizens like this, and has asked the courts to rule. The city of Regina says the carbon tax will add $1 million in costs this year (gas, diesel, natgas) – and going forward property taxes will reflect it. Imagine what the added overhead will be for the GTA.

What are the economic consequences? Unknown for now. But in BC, where carbon’s already being taxed and households bleeding, you know what’s happened to buyer confidence and the housing market. The squeeze is on. How a national carbon tax will hit small businesses, airlines, the agrifood sector, municipalities, rural communities or overall consumer spending is yet to be seen. For sure the cost of owning and operating a home is set to rise. And with the economy stalled out, many wonder if this is the worst possible time.

Meanwhile there’s no carbon tax in the US. Without a level playing field, our input costs are higher and our ability to compete lower. Already we’re running an historic trade deficit. Does Ottawa factor that in? Or are all consequences justified when you’re Doing The Right Thing?

Full disclosure: More than a decade ago I was special advisor to the Leader of the Opposition and helped develop a plan called the ‘Green Shift.’ It, too, proposed a tax on carbon. But at its core was a significant across-the-board income tax cut. The idea was simple – move taxation more towards what people do, away from what they earn.

But that made too much sense.

211 comments ↓

#1 Russ on 03.31.19 at 4:37 pm

And on the west coast, in Bitchy Columbia, we are taxed GST on the carbon tax.

Tax on tax until it becomes unBEARable eh.

In the US of A tax freedom day in the middle of April and in Canada it is calculated as the middle of June.
But we earn so much more the Americans. Right?

Time to dig out my yellow vest.

Cheers, R

#2 After Communism on 03.31.19 at 4:39 pm

Instead of taxing carbon, ration the fuel and let’s discover the fireworks in the real price rise required to cut the fuel usage. That would be very entertaining.

#3 PeterfromCalgary on 03.31.19 at 4:43 pm

The IPCC (International Panel on Climate Change) has been screaming about how climate change will kill us all since 1988. In that time life expectancies have increased globally from 65 to 73 year and poverty has plunged. This is due to economic growth powered by oil, gas and coal!

#4 espressobob on 03.31.19 at 4:49 pm

Twenty thousand years ago Toronto was under a sheet of ice taller than a high rise.

I’m sure a carbon tax will fix this most unfortunate event from happening in the future….

#5 michael guy on 03.31.19 at 4:51 pm

Only half the story Garth?

Is the following statement true or not?

“… In fact, Ontarians are receiving all of their carbon taxes back as incentives (rebates) in the federal government’s backstop plan. Most will make money on the arrangement.”

Let’s see. But daily life will still be more costly. – Garth

#6 Debtslavecreator on 03.31.19 at 4:53 pm

Carbon tax scam
One year from now you will be wishing for global warming and looking in horror at the deepening recession
The problem is government and it’s fraud department called the Bank of Canada
It will all make sense soon

#7 prairie person on 03.31.19 at 4:57 pm

If this were an evil plot by scheming wanna make a fortune types, I wouldn’t be so concerned. However, I don’t think it is. What is scary is that it is a plot by a lot of people with romantic, unsubstantiated fantasies. Idealism is dangerous, especially when it is not grounded in reality. We’re seeing that in Ottawa now. Let’s live our fantasies about life and leave the consequences to others. In the meantime, real problems are being ignored. I’m not making a pitch for the Conservatives. They just went off on other fantasies. Whatever happens in the next few months, you can be sure it will be money from our pockets that will pay for whatever belief is held by those elected. We’ve got to change the system so that the people can say no.

#8 Al on 03.31.19 at 5:01 pm

If you are an owner of a multi-res building in Ontario, you cannot pass through cost increases in heat, hydro and water to the tenants thanks to last-minute legislation changes by former premier Wynne just before she got booted out.

#9 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 5:02 pm

I had talked about this tax months ago and I had identified it as a “tax on the poor”.

The tax basically requires a person to do the following:

1. Pay more for food, housing, heat, transportation, basic needs, basically everything you need for every day survival will cost more.

For the middle class, it means skipping vacations, saving less, doing without luxuries like going out for dinner, going on trips, activities for the kids. You have to scale back, live a more basic life. But you will survive.

For the trust fund kids (Bill Morneau, Justin Trudeau), it means nothing. A few extra hunnies per month. They will not notice it. Neither will their families.

For the poor, it means not heating your house, eating less food, not getting to work because you can’t afford gasoline. It is destruction of your life as you know it. It will put you under. It will make it impossible to survive. It is pain and suffering, in real time. It is going to hurt.

For people who have no room in their budgets for an additional few hundred dollars a month, this carbon tax is going to do them in.

The other interesting thing about the carbon tax is its exponential multiplication factor.

For a family of four, it means a couple of hundred more dollars per month. No more monthly family dinners at The Keg. Cancel that Cuba vacay.

For a mid sized company, it means layoffs. Cost reductions. Absorbing hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in increased expenses, with all the money going to the government and getting paid out to civil servants and their pensions.

Suddenly, mid sized companies need to make drastic cuts to be competitive.

Why? Because we live in a global economy. Other countries sell to us, and we sell to them. Increase costs for our domestic industries, and you make foreign produced goods more attractive. They will cost less. Because the USA doesn’t have a carbon tax. So stuff built in Canada suddenly costs more.

That results in layoffs, layoffs, layoffs.

People who all of a sudden have to pay more for their basic necessities, lose their jobs.

Yeah, this is brilliant.

The Liberals are circling the drain. This tax will do them in. We will be under a Conservative government by November 2019. This was really the last nail in the Liberal coffin.

#10 Brock Dreathorne on 03.31.19 at 5:03 pm

SNC Lavalin, are they exempt from the carbon tax?

#11 Rick on 03.31.19 at 5:03 pm

Thank you Justin. Big Blue Conservative TSUNAMI on the way!

#12 Phylis on 03.31.19 at 5:10 pm

Let the bears pay the bear tax. – Homer.

#13 Oakville Sucks on 03.31.19 at 5:15 pm

Liberals … resign already!

#14 Chopping Broccoli on 03.31.19 at 5:15 pm

5% of me hates Trudeau more starting April 1st !
That percentage will increase every time I have to put fuel in my car, truck, or boat. By fall then the furnace kicks back in, I will be more then happy to kick T2’s sorry ass to the curb.

#15 Remembrancer on 03.31.19 at 5:17 pm

#1 Russ on 03.31.19 at 4:37 pm
And on the west coast, in Bitchy Columbia, we are taxed GST on the carbon tax.
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Going out on a limb and saying *ST tax on the other taxes is pretty much a cross-Canada thing…

#16 Deane Goodwill on 03.31.19 at 5:21 pm

As a measure of goodwill, The Liberal MPs who voted for the Carbon Tax should pay triple the tax in a form of supporting their legislation and leadership in their vision for climate action.

#17 Lost...but not leased on 03.31.19 at 5:22 pm

Anyone who believes in Global Warming ..(aka lipstick on same pig = Cimate Change”) is a moron.

……people who impose carbon tax should do 10-20 in prison for grand theft.

BTW: %$#* Al Gore

#18 Ferris on 03.31.19 at 5:24 pm

Martin Armstrong says that there is no global warming and that we are due for the next mini-ice age.

“The bottom line simply implies that we will see drier summers, bigger droughts, and colder winters. The temperature rise post-Little Ice Age did NOT exceed the peak of the medieval warming period and it never came close to the peak in temperatures that aided the rise of the Roman Empire or the rise of Egypt. This strongly suggests that we are heading toward much colder years ahead, but it does not appear that we will make lower lows than The Little Ice Age. It appears that we will retest those lows and then finally begin to warm AFTER the 2032 cycle ends. ”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/aborigines-create-the-worst-drought-in-aussie-history-hello-coming-ice-age/

#19 Eco Capitalist on 03.31.19 at 5:30 pm

I like your version better than the version we’re getting. Wish we could apply your thinking to all the other taxes, too.

Glad my car uses electrons, not dino juice.

#20 Kenny on 03.31.19 at 5:38 pm

The carbon tax is a great idea. As long as idiots buy monster trucks to drive to and from work with one mouth breather, the fuel it uses should be taxed.

People also leave their vehicles idling all the time. Often with windows open, or not open as the temperature of the day and common sense would dictate.

Why does your right to burn fossil fuels, and wreck my health and my family’s health with the emissions wastefully trump my right to clean air, and my kids right to a planet with less extreme weather events?

As long as carbon is being spewed wastefully it is clearly to cheap.

The rebate should be better though…. I’d like it revenue neutral and my per capita amount refunded…. I would like to take money from the mouth breather idling away money.

Make them all pay if they waste fuel… get efficient and you pay less.

#21 Vegan bob on 03.31.19 at 5:40 pm

You should get a huge rebate if your vegan. If we all went vegan, climate change would be a thing of the past

#22 Tony on 03.31.19 at 5:41 pm

Just another reason for most Canadians to spend 6 months of the year in America.

#23 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 5:42 pm

OMG Garth you and Dion were in cahoots with that failed green shift plan?? What were you thinking.

Like you said before, never penalize success. Canada has done a remarkable job if extracting and utilizing our energy resources in an efficient manner. Do we have emissions – well sure, its cost a lot of bucks to keep the polar vortex out of your living room. And very few people outside the GTA can appreciate the distances in the country.

Canada can contribute to carbon change (not climate change because that unproven) by utilizing our current resources and technology. LNG/NG, Biodeisel, carbon capture. You always provide incentives to what you want, not penalties.

#24 SmarterSquirrel on 03.31.19 at 5:42 pm

The more we get taxed, the less money we have to save for retirement. Only thing you can do is earn more, spend less and then make sure you vote in October. I looked at the 18 household spending categories StatsCan looks at to see if I can help people find extra savings to get more into their investment accounts to secure a better retirement… https://smartersquirrel.com/month-4-plug-the-hole-in-your-bucket , hopefully it helps some folks get better prepared for a secure financial future.

#25 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 03.31.19 at 5:49 pm

In Arizona, many retail and fast food chains have $12 per hour for hire signs so the Ontario minimum wage which some saw as very high is not really high compared to low wage states like Arizona. Is Chrysler in Windsor laying off 1,500 as part of the management of the “carbon tax?” I do not want to be a vegan but the budget for beef and protein will have to measure in the “carbon tax” and more beans will replace the steak and roast etc. We don’t go out to eat and we don’t buy alcohol so really what else is there to cut in the budget?

#26 crowdedelevatorfartz on 03.31.19 at 5:50 pm

I just filled up today in Burnaby.
$1.58/liter for regular gas.
$100 didn’t quite fill my 70 liter tank :)

Get ready fellow Canucks ’cause one thing is guaranteed. The tax will never go down…..

#27 Smartalox on 03.31.19 at 5:55 pm

Gas prices spiked 10 to 12 cents per litre last week, in the lower mainland. Today, they’re back to pre-gouging levels as time runs out before the implementation of the federal carbon tax.

#28 Bezengy on 03.31.19 at 6:03 pm

Always a “win win” when governments can address problems with introducing a new tax I guess. So, now we’ll pay 33% tax to put a “tiger in the tank”. So if I make a $100 by working OT this week and spend it on gas, I’ll pay $26 off the hop leaving me $74, and then T2 takes another $24 gas tax leaving me with $50 worth of gas. Not bad, but it costs me $20.00 to drive to work with my Honda. I’m still ahead by $30 though so I guess all is well. C’mon Justin, you can do better, you’re leaving money on the table.

#29 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 6:05 pm

#1 Brock Dreathorne:

This is the next big question.

Who will the Liberals exempt from the carbon tax?

I am guessing Liberal friendly companies (like SNC) will get big rebates and discounts.

Liberals are tax and spend folks, with exemptions for any large organization that can pull together votes and get them re-elected.

I expect to see the “big Liberal friendly” company exemptions getting rolled out very soon, with the explanation being “we are saving jobs!”.

This is what happens when you let trust fund kids run your country. They are clueless. Inherited money. No idea how hard it is on the ground. Never been there. Never will be.

This is just another tax and spend Liberal tax grab.

These guys are gone in November….

Circling the drain…..

#30 Geekie McRandle on 03.31.19 at 6:06 pm

@ #5 Michael. Shell game?

#31 Deplorable Dude on 03.31.19 at 6:07 pm

The polar bears are fine, in fact their numbers are becoming a major issue…

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-so-many-bears-draft-plan-says-nunavuts-polar-bear-population-is/

Yet another Alarmist Apocalyptic warning blown out of the water.

What an amazing scam politicians have pulled off..being taxed on a trace gas essential to life….

GST on the carbon tax is just the cherry on the top.

Where’s my yellow vest….?

#32 S.Bby on 03.31.19 at 6:18 pm

The ironic thing is we are doing it to screw ourselves. We should be building pipelines and exporting our oil and making money but instead the government and environmentalists want us to eat grass and live in freezing cold huts.

#33 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 6:19 pm

On a lighter note, folks, seeing as this is a perennial “housing bear” blog, I am delighted to report that the Toronto real estate market, which has the resilience of a Tardigrade, has bounced.

Yes that is right. For those of you who bought in as of 2008, held on, did not sell out in the great crash of 2017, and are still pluggin’ along, taking in stride complaints of cockroaches, rats and dogs peeing from the top balcony and hitting folks exiting apartments in the basement, who stuck it out and said “this market has upside”, well you are about to get rewarded.

The TO market has burped, farted, and set in for another “zoom, zoom, zoom, we’re going to the moon” moment.

Yeah, things are headed up again.

Spring bidding wars are on.

For me, as I still own a number of decrepit, crumbling, roach infested dumps, that I expect will fetch big money from young buyers looking for a place to raise a family (like if you lived in a garbage dump and you were looking for the highest trash heap to lay your eggs), this thing looks positive (I made a ton of cash buying Toronto RE during the ten year period from 2008 to 2018).

Up she goes. Again.

Toronto has this knack of avoiding political depressors in the RE market (we have Doug Ford, who will never enact socialist real estate taxes like Comrade Horgan in BC), while at the same time being this place that people actually want to live.

Come here, freeze to death (cause of the carbon tax that means you can’t heat your house anymore), and pay two mil or more for a crap house that was built in the 1800’s by people who were only planning to stay for a month or two, and fight the weekly wars of basement wall rot, untraceable smells and the rigours of rats, mice and roaches.

It is heaven. And you will pay for it. In a heavenly way……

#34 MF on 03.31.19 at 6:26 pm

I’m on the fence when it comes to climate change. I don’t know who to believe to anymore. One thing is for certain though, an extra tax (rebate or not) in Canada will not generate any benefits to our country, or the planet IMO.

It does further ensure a Conservative win in November however.

MF

#35 Bob on 03.31.19 at 6:26 pm

If the Liberals could balance the budget in any fiscal year I might be OK with this carbon tax….

….dream on.

#36 Mikeshouse on 03.31.19 at 6:26 pm

“The idea was simple – move taxation more towards what people do, away from what they earn.”

It seems what “makes to much sense” is Still a very sensible vision, at least for this Alberta Liberal, David Khan.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/liberals-would-swap-income-tax-for-provincial-sales-tax-in-revenue-realignment/ar-BBVoT5D?ocid=spartandhp

#37 hellyeah on 03.31.19 at 6:27 pm

Polluter pays. It’s a pretty decent economic concept.
The better April 1 news is that there will finally be brick-and-mortar retail marijuana stores in Ontario.
So park your car and blaze a fatty.

#38 Mike on 03.31.19 at 6:30 pm

“..the T2 gang plans on jacking it up 150% over the next three years.”

And this is why the Liberals, along with the SNC shenanigans, “peoplekind” and other nonsense will be on their keester come October.

The fact is that we’ve been in a stage of global warming….since 1680…when the last mini ice age ended and prior to the Industrial Revolution. But lets not worry about details! According to the Demorats in the US, unless they’re voted in we all only have 12 years left.

Anyone else notice that taxes are always the solution? No wonder the “Yellow Vest” movement in France is now in it’s what…20th week? Libs would be wise to watch, but they’ll ignore it thinking that it’ll never happen here.

#39 akashic record on 03.31.19 at 6:30 pm

Green Shaft, Yellow West, Blue November, Zero Trudeau.

#40 Reality is stark on 03.31.19 at 6:33 pm

Carbon tax rebates can be phased out.
A rebate is a gift.
A rebate is meant to be phased out.
The tax never goes away.
Until the will of the people changes in this country, public service costs will rise uncontrollably.
Canadian people do not have the resolve to slow the train down. They are weak and foolish.
The people of the rest of the world see it, but we are too naive to understand what we are doing to ourselves.

#41 domain on 03.31.19 at 6:36 pm

The most incorrect and equally laughable claim has been the “climate refugees”. I think so far there has been 1 person who had claimed to be one, which is as legitimate as 0 given this is an individual.

The whole thing is a scam. Just look at the outcome to see what the purpose was all along – wealth confiscation, pure and simple.

#42 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 6:37 pm

I’m like more and more thinkin’, Doug, where did you come from? Fordsie was your bro, and he had some life challenges that smashed his mayoralty and in the end probably put him in the ground before his time…..but where did you come from?

Help is on the way.

He’s like this everyday dude who just figured things out.

I don’t like conservatives because I’m a social liberal. I have serious issues with conservative values and “morals” and I hate churches and religious stuff and all that that stands for.

But this guy is not for all that. He’s like a conservative interloper. He is like, yeah, I’m running the cons, but I want to put beer and wine into corner stores….and the libs are like “that would be unsafe!” (even though they do that in pretty much every American state and it is safe there)……He is something different. He does not really have conservative values.

He seems to have “everyperson” values. I say that because I hate the term “everyman” I think it disparages women and “gender neutral” folks and I am a social Liberal and don’t like hurting people by pointed speech that segregates and brutalises through exclusion.

But Doug……what are you, man? You enigmatic person, you. I have been to the latest “Ford fest” and I can admit that standing next to this dude, and just listening to him talk, I love the guy. He is an “everyman”. He seems to care. And he “gets it”.

Politics for me has always been murky as I have a lot of problems with finding people that actually see things the way I do.

But I like this guy.

I really do.

I know that will make a lot of people angry.

But I do……

#43 Lorne on 03.31.19 at 6:37 pm

“But in BC, where carbon’s already being taxed and households bleeding, you know what’s happened to buyer confidence and the housing market.”
……
So, the carbon tax is responsible for the slowdown in the housing market in BC……quite a stretch me thinks!

#44 TurnerNation on 03.31.19 at 6:40 pm

Our forum host knows the score. He moved into a place beside the sea. Safe & Sound as it always has been in recent memory.

#45 bsallergy on 03.31.19 at 6:47 pm

Yes Garth a revenue neutral consumption tax is always the best way to modify behaviour. Tax carbon and lower my income tax love the idea. Most of the greater fools applauded the GST cut but failed to realize their income tax went up to compensate. Income tax is hard to avoid whereas I can always chose not to buy shit I don’t really need or avoid the rotisserie chicken and the raw bird home and roast it myself.

#46 For people outsida BC ... on 03.31.19 at 6:48 pm

we now have an extra assessment (tax) on our Hydro bill out here that pays for people that can’t afford to pay their own bill. And then I guess there is tax on that too. But we are up to our necks in daffodils and flowering cherry trees right now that kinda helps with the pain.

#47 BobC on 03.31.19 at 6:50 pm

More dropping from the middle class to the working poor class. More from the working poor to homeless. When the majority are dependent on the government handout they will have gained total control. Don’t try to fight it.
We had Obama for 8 years before seeking relief through someone like Trump. T2 has had only what? 3 years? Give the left another 5 or so years. Then maybe you’ll stop making fun of the deplorables.

#48 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 6:52 pm

RE: #1 Russ on 03.31.19 at 4:37 pm
“And on the west coast, in Bitchy Columbia, we are taxed GST on the carbon tax.

Tax on tax until it becomes unBEARable eh.

In the US of A tax freedom day in the middle of April and in Canada it is calculated as the middle of June.
But we earn so much more the Americans. Right?

Time to dig out my yellow vest.

Cheers, R”

Time to vote out the “Fiberals”.

Circling the drain…..

#49 mountain guy on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

Surprised at the amount of climate change denial evident in the posts. No point in arguing about it tho’. Those who don’t accept that climate change is happening won’t be persuaded.

It’s not a tax on energy. Only on fossil fuel energy. Provinces like Ontario, Manitoba, Quebec, BC, and others, have largely non-fossil fuel electric power, so little or no carbon tax impact on power bills.

Many would prefer fee and dividend instead of a tax: All fossil fuel energy gets charged a fee. All fees are returned directly to citizens of the country, equally. 100% rebate. No cut for any level of gov’t. No money set-aside to fund special projects. Just a nudge for each of us to burn a little less, or a reward for those who do burn less.

#50 mj on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

I am not saying if global warming is true or not because I am not a scientist. But it’s funny how Al Gore is telling everyone to reduce pollution, however he rides all over the world in a private plane. Also, Canada is doing great compared to the rest of the world. Think about countries like China and India. If they are not on board, then it’s a waste of time for us. Just another tax grab from the government. I hope T2 is out in October, and the new government removes this ridiculous tax

#51 The only scientist in here? on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

Reading these comments almost seems like a joke… Do people actually not believe humans are accelerating the pace of warming, and that we shouldn’t be trying to do something about it? Sure, carbon tax might suck, but it’s something. Get your money back through rebates by putting in a heat pump and end up in the green.

#52 joblo on 03.31.19 at 6:57 pm

Can we eat the polar bears?

#53 Smoking Man on 03.31.19 at 6:57 pm

Saw this coming long before FakeFeminist was elected.
Sold peek real estate, got my loot and got out of dodge.

This ridiculous cash grab will destroy the Canadian economy with so many people in debt. It’s going to hurt real bad.

Perhaps I will return one day to voulch some properties.
But right now its 80 degrees and I’m bad ass surfer dude.
Who all like the snow yesterday.

#54 ImGonnaBeSick on 03.31.19 at 6:59 pm

Ugh.. today’s not the day to read the comments.. the deplorables are out in full force; that is the vegans and the true believers…

#55 Nonplused on 03.31.19 at 6:59 pm

The carbon tax is nothing but political whitewashing, or “greenwashing” at it’s finest. All they needed to do was raise the HST and it would have had the same affect on reducing consumption. Because this is more or less mathematically verifiable, adding a carbon tax rather than just raising the HST is nothing but “for your own good” spin. Spin spin spin spin spin. That’s all it is.

The carbon tax really is “a tax on everything”. Even transit riders get pinched as fuel for buses goes up (and they use a lot of fuel, especially off-peak). Carbon is an input at so many levels of the economy that the carbon tax naturally compounds as well. I used to like to look at ice cream back when Garth still had the store. Energy is used at every stage of the process from hay in the field to ice cream on the cone. The farmer fuels his tractor, runs his milking equipment, chills the milk. From there it goes on a big chilled truck to the plant that uses all kids of energy first pasteurizing the milk and then freezing the cream. Then it is packaged and put back on another truck and delivered to a shop where the shop owner has to heat the building but freeze the ice cream. Then the customer has to get to the shop which usually involves even more energy.

This is true for almost any economic activity in a modern economy. Fossil fuels are the life blood of civilization. They will be for a long time because the only real alternative we have that can be scaled enough to drive the engines of industry is nuclear, and nobody likes that.

People already generally optimize energy efficiency wherever thy can because the stuff is already expensive. Well, maybe not the guys who drive monster trucks with balls, but most people do. Does anybody leave the windows open in the winter because they think the heating bill is just too darn low? How much more insulation do they think can be stuffed into new houses? My computer is down to using about 20 watts now as compared to 150 in the CRT days. My daughter’s car gets 6L/100km (39mpg!) on the highway which is getting into motorcycle range.

And let’s not forget that although Canada has a very high per capita emissions rate due to the vast expanses and extreme cold, we account for 1.6% of the world’s green house gas emissions. If our co-inhabitants of this planet in the larger economies aren’t acting there isn’t much we can do on our own. In fact, countries like China are just as happy to buy up any fuel we decide we don’t want to use. Even if we could somehow get our GHG emissions to zero, China would just buy it all up and increase theirs by an equivalent amount. They understand that energy is the lifeblood of an economy.

Venezuela has recently conducted a week long experiment in what a zero emission economy would look like. It wasn’t pretty. Sure, they get most of their power from hydro, but when the dam stopped generating nothing else worked either. This is the vision Turdeau and AOC have for us.

Anyway, it’s just a tax. In the same way that obscene taxes on alcohol doesn’t seem to have reduced consumption, obscene taxes on fossil fuels won’t either. The only other choice we have is to burn the forests for heat in the winter. That isn’t a better alternative.

Sometimes there is a problem that just doesn’t have a solution at this point. Like liberalism, no one has found a cure. So the CO2 will be emitted by someone somewhere until we run out of fossil fuels. Even if the dire predictions are right, it’s either cook later or freeze and starve now. People always delay death, even if it’s unavoidable. It just seems to make sense. You should thus instinctively delay carbon taxes too. They are just a tax, they won’t change anything. If CO2 is going to fry the planet, that is a sad fate, but there is nothing that can be done about it.

#56 Pete on 03.31.19 at 7:01 pm

Canada is relatively miniscule in terms of CO2 emissions compared to China, USA, Russia, etc. This tax is only going to hurt the people of Canada and do almost nothing to reduce emissions. Rich don’t care about paying a few hundred more per year for fuel. They will not give up their Yukons and SUV’s, or trips to the cottage, or cruising in their dual V8 boats.. Keep taxing the middle class idiots – speed up the inevitable.

#57 Linda on 03.31.19 at 7:26 pm

Climate change is real & has occurred in the past. The difference this time is there are more of us around to notice & in this information age any weather/climate related news is not only reported on but can even be viewed as it occurs.

The question is whether a carbon tax would do anything to mitigate the effects. I submit it will do very little, if for no other reason than the fact that any efforts by Canada’s relatively small population will be more than offset by growth in carbon emissions from other countries such as USA, China & India. Instead of adding yet another tax with all the attendant costs to administer it we should be doing everything in our power to create clean alternatives & continue to improve existing processes to reduce our carbon footprint. Humans got to be the apex of the food chain because of our ability to think & create. Surely we haven’t lost that ability?

#58 Cherry on 03.31.19 at 7:31 pm

Gorgeous weather and blooming Cherry blossoms in 604.

Nesting inducing hormones must be peaking.

So if your yvr home fails to sell this month, it will never sell.

#59 BlogDog123 on 03.31.19 at 7:33 pm

In Ontariowe, we had the green energy act. All in the name of saving the planet and virtue-signalling to all that Ontariowe is “doing something to fight climate change, formally called global warming”.

We must remember the scandalous fallout from that:
– Wind/solar producers got a sweetheart deal, the province has to buy their power at an obscene tariff if produced, whether we need it or not.
– No significant green energy jobs materialized.
– Some top ranked government guy went to jail for ordering the wipe of emails/data from hard drives. Cover-up, malfeasance and criminal.
– Rural folks unable to pay their astronomical hydro bills. Subsidies to rescue them from government screwups.
– 2 billion rushed expense on smart meters.
– Politically motivated, over a billion to cancel some power plants already approved or being built. Hush, hush pay full price to cancel them before an election.
– Auditor General says Ontariowe paid billions more in market rates for electricity…
– All sorts of government wording forced on your hydro bills like “fair hydro plan” when there’s nothing fair about what has been done to the taxpayers.
– Meddling in your local utilities like the above government wording and moving to monthly billing.

So the next time your government says their “doing it for your own good” or they have a “plan to save the planet”, have a healthy dose of skepticism. Ask if there’s a non-government solution. Ask if your politician is doing something to appease some campaign contributor or lobbyist or foreign NGO or some rich guy who owns an island…

#60 reynolds531 on 03.31.19 at 7:38 pm

Just one more reason to move to unhedged international etfs.

#61 the ryguy - In cabo on 03.31.19 at 7:42 pm

Typical government garbage..god forbid they ever fixate on expenses rather than revenues, imagine the good that can be done!!

Any liberal that believes we can do a damn thing about our climate is silly.

Learn about the climate change that happened after the younger dryas impact 12000 years ago. If thats too much to take on have a look at the Tunguska impact just over 100 years ago. “We” are not in control.

If we zoom into our modern age anyone with a brain can see that Canada does a better job than anyone else at keeping our country clean. Our rivers and lakes are filled with boats and tourists every summer, and yet they remain sterling. Id love for the lefties to go have a swim in a river in China or India.

Even IF this was a great idea..its not, but lets say it is…what has our wildly inefficient government ever done well? This is a joke, much like all liberal dogma, that can be taken apart by applying a modicum of logic.

Too much Carbon? Ok liberals, since there’s too much carbon we should probably apply the brakes on immigration right?

Racist xenophope sexist populist POS…

ya ya, save your breath, they will tax that next.

#62 april on 03.31.19 at 7:43 pm

Martin Armstrong, “Governments in their hunt for taxes”

#63 Expat on 03.31.19 at 7:48 pm

AOC is the laughing stock of the Democratic party for a reason. That ehackjob, not unlike our village idiot in Ottawa, are chasing capital away from their jurisdictions Amazon in NY, the oil companies here.

The core movement of capital will always find the cheapest jusrisdiction to operate.

You climate change people will be unemployed soon enough. All you Ottawa hacks getting cheques every two weeks will find in the future that the revenue that pays them dries up.

It why my business friends and I moved south.

Why build a plant here when you can build and run in China for pennies on the dollar.Or better yet move your internet businesses to the US where corporate taxes are half.

Simple choice.

It’s simple math which is why politicians don’t understand the idiocy of their policies

#64 april on 03.31.19 at 7:51 pm

#5 – Incentive or inducement?

#65 Keith on 03.31.19 at 7:53 pm

I like to check on people who have real skin in the game, and know what they are talking about. It’s a longer read, but always worthwhile to know what the Oracle of Omaha thinks – someone who writes insurance against natural disasters, burns coal, produces wind and geothermal power. Interestingly, he is more concerned about running out of oil than a climate based catastrophe.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/heres-what-warren-buffett-thinks-about-climate-change-and-investing.html

#66 Ustabe on 03.31.19 at 7:54 pm

It won’t be a conservative government replacing the Liberals, it will be Andrew Scheer’s Conservative Party of Canada replacing the Liberals.

That should give even the most die hard conservative voter palpitations.

We havn’t had a proper conservative party in Canada, provincial or federal, in decades.

#67 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 7:55 pm

ETFs eh? Not so innocent after all.

ETF Tax Dodge Is Wall Street’s “Dirty Little Secret”. Banks are pumping billions of dollars into and out of funds with “heartbeat” trades.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-etf-tax-dodge-lets-investors-save-big/

#68 Deplorable Dude on 03.31.19 at 7:57 pm

#34 MF “I’m on the fence when it comes to climate change. I don’t know who to believe to anymore”…

I was on the fence until I came across Tony Heller’s Blog…(Ex-NOAA Geologist)….in particular this post…

https://realclimatescience.com/2018/12/fraud-in-the-national-climate-assessment-part-2/

Climate change is entirely natural…e.g witness the Iceland glacier recently doing a 180 and growing again. Glaciers were retreating back in the 30’s….must have been all the SUV’s back then.

#69 The real Kip (Ret) on 03.31.19 at 8:01 pm

Hey how about this. We could build some pipelines to sell Canadian oil for less than it cost to produce it but a few people will get very rich. Then, when it’s gone, future generations of Canadians will have nothing. We could use the same template we used managing forestry or fisheries. Oh wait, that didn’t work out too well did it?

#70 Ben Smith on 03.31.19 at 8:04 pm

Only left wingers think taxing carbon will ever do anything positive. You actually have to be financially inept to think otherwise. It’s extremely laughable to be honest.

#71 Trojan House on 03.31.19 at 8:06 pm

#51 The only scientist in here? on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

The only joke is on you buddy. Climate change has been happening for billions of years on this planet we call Earth. The joke on you is that they are going to steal your money in the name of it.

If you want to talk about something meaningful, let’s talk about pollution. What are governments doing about the millions upon millions of plastics, etc, ending up in the ocean and rivers? Absolutely nothing. This is more harmful the the environment but it NOT climate change.

#72 Mapleridgeguy on 03.31.19 at 8:10 pm

Here in BC we have had the carbon tax for a while, as you mentioned. The last time our gas bill came in I checked out the carbon tax on it. When you remove all the bs charges for shipping and storing the gas, the amount of the actual gas that was taxed was less than the tax on it. It worked out to 112% taxation on natural gas. They say that one of the benefits of the tax is that it will change our habits. They got that one right . . . I’ll definitely be changing my voting habit next election.

#73 Kill me now on 03.31.19 at 8:17 pm

Carbon Tax
Metal detectors to get on a plane
Stress test to by real estate
Act S. 447

#74 Not So New guy on 03.31.19 at 8:18 pm

If Jean Chrétien saw what T2 was doing to his party he’d be rolling over in his grave.

…and he’s not even dead yet.

#75 Drill Baby Drill on 03.31.19 at 8:19 pm

Whether you believe in climate change or not. Why would you hand over more tax dollars to a federal government who will only go out and blow it. I am liking the colour yellow more and more.

#76 Dolce Vita on 03.31.19 at 8:21 pm

“So you’ll use less energy and save the polar bears.”

The Polar Bears made it thru the Holocene Climatic Optimum, Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period WITHOUT OUR HELP.

They’ll probably make it thru the current Warm Period as well.

Unfortunately for them, WITH OUR HELP this time around.

You know how we help them:

-paint them,
-dart them,
-weigh them,
-tag them,
-count how many teeth they have,
-transport them in cargo nets by helicopter when they get to close to downtown,
-fly over them with helicopters to count them and scare the bejesus out of them,
-feed them cookies out of tracked snow vehicles,
-film them while they’re trying to catch dinner,
-film them while they’re trying to have a private moment, etc.

If you were a Polar Bear nowadays you’d be rooting for a human mass extinction.

That’s why I’m against the Carbon Tax.

#77 Gravy Train on 03.31.19 at 8:21 pm

Garth, the twenty 400-watt solar panels I ordered were installed on my roof last Wednesday. The installer estimates they’ll produce 10,477 kWh of power this year. At a rate of $0.16684/kWh, it’s a saving of $1,748.

The 8.0 kW installation cost $14,925 all-in, net of $8,000 of federal rebates ($1/W). The panels are guaranteed for 25 years, so I calculate that the real rate of return is 10.81% and—assuming inflation of power costs at 3%/year—the nominal rate of return is 13.81%.

So far—but excluding Wednesday—my solar panels have produced 117.8 kWh of power, so they’re on track to meet estimates.

I’m sure Stephen Covey (who wrote in 1989 The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People) would approve of my being proactive (rather than reactive). :)

I think it was Alvin Toffler in his 1970 book Future Shock who first predicted that the role of producer and consumer would begin to ‘blur and merge.’ :)

#78 Millmech on 03.31.19 at 8:23 pm

#61
Yes, lots of interesting info on the worlds sea levels rising 400’ in a very short time and massive die offs of animals with broken limbs and stomachs full of food 12,000 years ago.This doesn’t fit with “new” science so most of the proponents of this discovery are shunned by the general science community.

#79 Robert Ash on 03.31.19 at 8:33 pm

I started to sell out, when Notely was elected, and it was Rent controls, Carbon Taxes, etc…. Look how well Alberta has done since.. her elevation… to power…. Cost me 5% of my retirement savings. I have no DB pension.
Then T2 and his Gang of Teen age activists sneak, in and start to kill our Number one Export, and Money making game changer… and many think this is OK… Sure the Oil prices declined, but we were going to install infrastructure… Clearly Radical idealism, is expensive and very destructive.. But look to the Academic backgrounds, and job experience… it is a sad summary! #7 and # 40 thumbs up! Giving up and Selling out, has proved to be the best move, financially, and that in itself, is a sad statement of fact.

#80 NoName on 03.31.19 at 8:36 pm

We cut down on fish meals from Wednesdays and Fridays, just to Friday due to the oceans being overfished.

Now every Friday, I silently eat and hide the fackt that i am worried for my wife’s and her chances of going upstairs are deceising every week just because we are deluted in to thinking and believing that our actions can help…

Maybe if there is billions like us, but reality is exactly opposite, for every one that is cutting on a standard of living, there are 100s of thausad that are doing exactly oposite.

Honestly it is bit disturbing thinking of that she is already merrid for me and that she will be spend hole internity withe down stairs. Ive must be worst hasbend ever, probably father to…

I gues as a carbon tax starts eating in to our after tax dollars mone will come in a form of saving less for us and leaving less for our son. Iam just hoping goat legged dude will not live stream down to us chalanges of our sons day to day life because we fail to provide for him.

Bit dark, to dark perhaps, but you cant cheat a math and dude on a cloud. Both are absolute, just math is bit more binary per say, depending on what filozofy you subscribe to.

Some one “smarter” than me sad we have 12 more yrs left, my god are we ever stupid family…

Plz press play
https://youtu.be/fa82Qpw6lyE

#81 Damifino on 03.31.19 at 8:41 pm

I’ve decided to roll with it like I did back in college when dire warnings of a coming ice age were all the rage.

Still, I won’t be voting for the boy in October. He’s even less ‘ready’ today than he was in 2015.

#82 Sebee on 03.31.19 at 8:45 pm

The name of the Liberal party truly is a contradiction and a case of false advertising.

What should it really be? Corruptibles? Taxables? Hopefully unelectables…come October.

#83 X on 03.31.19 at 8:50 pm

Wow, didn’t even think of what this would do to the city budgets. Yep, property taxes going up. Recession more likely imo now. People are barely getting by, this will not help.

I know Ontario is getting the carbon tax less than Alberta, but here in Toronto even if you are riding public transit, which I am guessing has less of a carbon footprint, fares are going up April 1st too.

Drive a car, pay more, keep less. Don’t drive a car, that’s ok, we will get your money regardless.

Is a shoe tax going to be next for those that don’t use any other form of transportation?

#84 Dolce Vita on 03.31.19 at 8:53 pm

#78 Millmech

Actually, if all the World’s Ice were to melt sea levels would rise by 230 feet or about 70 meters.

Have a go with an interactive sea level rise map (they also let you input sea level rises above the maximum estimate above):

http://www.floodmap.net/

It takes about 90 meters to snuff out Parliament Hill in Ottawa…darn.

#85 saskatoon on 03.31.19 at 8:57 pm

you present a false dichotomy to your readership, garth.

there is a likely and unfortunate third way:

GeoEngineering.

here’s how it is done–behold a handy list of hundreds of weather modification u.s. trademark office patents…going back to 1891:

https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/links-to-geoengineering-patents/

#86 Crazyfox on 03.31.19 at 9:05 pm

#51 The only scientist in here? on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

Me thinks a lot of people belong to cults. How many of us are easily swayed and led by propaganda? Considering the percentage of U.S. adults with a mental health condition:

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608

… where half is physical (brain damage or chemical imbalance/addiction with dementia leading the way) and the other half is environmental with personality disorders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

… that are socially learned… it shouldn’t be to hard to see why propaganda is so effective in this world. Nearly 1 in 10 are walking around with a personality disorder and how many are influenced by them?

For decades tobacco lobby’s persuaded the masses that it was ok to smoke until even the bought off judges could no longer deny it. Same held true for asbestos. Today, propaganda campaigns wage successfully in support of sugar added to 75% of all food products. The food manufacturing industry has known for 50 years that its not only as addictive as alcohol (itself a sugar, go figure), but that there is direct causation to diabetes and an entire host of metabolic syndromes leading to 1 in 4 adults with chronic illness and 1 in 2 with metabolic disorders ready to fill the places of the chronically ill when they die, with numbers yet to peak but I digress.

To think that the same propaganda campaigns don’t exist today from big oil lobbies is beyond naive.

Political cults are the worst, controlled by the other corporate cults like big oil lobbies that tell us we should continue consuming their products regardless of the consequences and that pollution is ok. The politicians they buy and control give us big oil’s propaganda in a different light. “Carbon taxes will kill the economy!” followed by 10 million put downs and reasons as to why such draconian wrong headed taxes will always fail, giving big oil a free license to pollute at will.

Can someone please explain to me why a $20 tax on a tonne of carbon which equates to 20 bucks on approx 568 gallons of refined fuel leading to approx 3.5 cents a gallon is going to send our 40% of Canadians living cheque to cheque, on the street? I didn’t know poor people drove cars and how 3.5 cents a gallon is going to make or break it for them. Someone please explain. (histrionic personality disorders? NPD’s? I’m listening)

We’ve had a good 50 years of successful propaganda wars now and it shows. Its shows in what our big oil/political party cult member comments like “carbon taxes won’t make a difference, environments always changed in the past so what, all efforts will fail anyway so why try”.

Except of course, that depending on the level and type of taxation, carbon taxes will make a difference, environmental changes often lead to extinction events or dramatic reductions in populations dummies all to often fail to point out (we can handle 3 degrees? Maybe if you’re a reptile) and “all efforts will fail so why try” are cut from the cloth of losers who look for every reason and excuse they can invent or find to quit. We’ve heard it before, “winners never quit and quitters never win” but its deeper than that. While losers focus on the results of success or failure or for the mind that likes to exaggerate, triumph and disaster, winners live in the moment and focus their efforts on what it takes to win. Every time.

A true winner knows in their mind that results, while important, come secondary always, to effort. When the result becomes less important than the intensity of effort… it is then that you know that you’ve grown.

Can’t say I got much by way of growth, or success or awareness from the comments so far. (I am, of course, generalizing) No, just a bunch of comments from easily led, cult brainwashed losers who have little to know idea of what they are talking about. There is no point being subtle, there will be karma, Newton’s 3rd law will follow and nature will have its way.

For “The only scientist in here?”, I have a link for you to take in, important in understanding the earthquake connection to climate change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNWGlzHC2ss&t=907s

I suggest you read Revelations, yes, I really mean it, at the very least the 7 seals, trumpets and bowls. The 7 seals are God’s influence, the 7 trumpets are evil’s influence and the 7 bowls are man’s influence. Climate change is there in spades and there as well with the whore of Babylon (NY stock exchange) and the city of Babylon (NY city). After that, read Exodus and pray you are one of the so called lucky ones that will be told as to where to go to survive if you are still young. (50 might be young enough)

#87 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 9:06 pm

#34 MF “I’m on the fence when it comes to climate change. I don’t know who to believe to anymore”…

—-

Really its that hard to figure out? Just look out your door or better yet go back to the original 3 alarm fire that Gore put out in 2000 and square that with todays environment and the total fraud is plain as day. Let me give you a head start – it was predicted the Statue of Liberty would be underwater by now. Sound like settled science to you?

#88 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 9:09 pm

And dozens of observations like this are around totally refuting the narrative, but they always sneak that caveat in the headline. Well its not happening now but its going to rip anytime, so don’t decrease our funding.

Fastest-Thinning Greenland Glacier Threw NASA Scientists for a Loop. It’s Actually Growing.

https://www.space.com/greenland-glacier-growing.html

#89 Samantha on 03.31.19 at 9:20 pm

The liberals are set to lose the coming federal elections in spectacular fashion, and their nonsense carbon tax will be eliminated. Meanwhile will pay more for everything for the next year or so…

#90 Prairieboy43 on 03.31.19 at 9:20 pm

April Hot items. Rachael Notley VooDoo Dolls with spare set of needles. Also the Justin Trudeau, Bill Morneau, et al liberal Cabinet Pinocchio set.

#91 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 9:21 pm

#77 Gravy Train on 03.31.19 at 8:21 pm

Your panels have a 12 yr payback. The taxpayers picked up the rebate on your behalf, its still a cost. By the time those panels pay for themselves, they will be obsolete. Unless you want to move to Southern AB or SK, there is no place else in Canada where solar and wind is economical. You got the green shaft.

#92 ShawnG in TO on 03.31.19 at 9:22 pm

i’ve been reading Skin in the Game by Taleb. here’s a simple indicator of global warming legitimacy:

if the global warming scam peddlers such as al gore start to ACT as if climate is in trouble, that is live in a small house, drive a compact car, and most of all, teleconference instead of travelling the world in a private jet with an entourage, then you can take what they SAY seriously. Until then, you know in your heart it’s all fake, Fake, FAKE!

#93 John in Mtl on 03.31.19 at 9:30 pm

Could this happen to Toronto? Hum…

About the incredible cost of Australian housing in the last few years and how it ruins peoples’ lives, especially when new hirise condo towers start to crumble…

“Housing and banking expert Martin North North has criticised developers and the housing industry for “throwing up” high-rise buildings at such alarmingly fast rates. He warned viewers that significant defects and safety concerns are imminent.”

Expert warns Australia could turn into slums in 20 years – 60 Minutes Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRSdiq3sOTc

#94 Bonny on 03.31.19 at 9:31 pm

Hi garth, I know nothing about the carbon tax , what will it cost the average family a month you figure? Thank you
Bonny

#95 Inventions on 03.31.19 at 9:34 pm

The best a govt’ can invent is just a scam ‘tax’ and providing a tax dodge for selected few. Law is a law only applied to ground level people. If your name or your company name is starting with S or T or you are friends to one of these, you may be eligible to exempt from anything.

Saving ‘polar’ bears? What about firstly trying to save people freezing to death homeless in Canada?

#96 PBrasseur on 03.31.19 at 9:34 pm

I’m sure about one thing, a tax will not change the climate, ever.

You want to cut pollution and curb emissions go with nuclear, it’s by far the smallest footprint and safest, right now there is no other way. But the fascist greens don’t want it, so screw them.

#97 Deplorable Dude on 03.31.19 at 9:50 pm

Well this is interesting…..the last Century of sea-level records at the nearest location to me…..

Sea level has…..dropped half a foot…
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=822-027

Just for a laugh I went and checked out the graph for Manhatten….which is supposed to be underwater by now according to past failed alarmist predictions…..

The trend is a linear increase for the last 150 years….zero evidence of any recent non-linear acceleration in sea level rise….

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8518750

#98 Yuus bin Haad on 03.31.19 at 9:51 pm

When Seymour was still the PrinSec and we were discussing emissions pricing, he shared his thoughts on taxing beanie weenies. “Seriously?”, I said. “Well, it’s not just cows that fart.”, said he.

#99 Think about it on 03.31.19 at 9:54 pm

#20 – Kenny
“Why does your right to burn fossil fuels, and wreck my health and my family’s health with the emissions wastefully trump my right to clean air, and my kids right to a planet with less extreme weather events?”

We should create a carbon tax on children. By choosing to breed and raise your spawn you’re contributing more to global warming than you blindly choose to ignore.

Time to go truck shopping!! :)

#100 Rick on 03.31.19 at 9:55 pm

I choose not to participate. I will fill up in the States! Now, you will get ZERO tax Justin!

#101 JSS on 03.31.19 at 10:01 pm

I keep hearing about a “meat tax” coming

#102 n1tro on 03.31.19 at 10:12 pm

Can someone tell the conservatives that if they want to win in October, all they need to say is they will repeal the carbon tax. I think that message alone would do the trick.

#103 NoName on 03.31.19 at 10:17 pm

@CrazyFos

12 more yers crazyfox 12 more years…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrd35t0arI4

#104 Adrian on 03.31.19 at 10:20 pm

Climate change is real. The drought, fires, and forests dying in BC from lack of water prove it. Not sure what we can do about it but it is a fact.

#105 Figure it Out on 03.31.19 at 11:04 pm

Well, I have to ask: What’s the plan?

Six months is a LOOOONG time in politics, and Joe Sixpack isn’t going to start following the federal campaign until after Labour Day, but, as it stands now, we could see (C/c)onservative provincial governments from Alberta through Ontario and [checks notes…] two other provinces, as well as federally in Ottawa.

This would be unprecedented in my lifetime.

So, is there a plan? I don’t want to see four years of fiddling with sex-education and redrawing transit plans. Canadian conservative parties tend to look like Act II of horror movies — “Lets’ split up!” I hope that’s not the plan.

Just looking for sound policy and effective government. A bonus if we can go four years without a First Minister stepping in the spitoon. Is there hope?

#106 Slowly Boiling Frogs on 03.31.19 at 11:10 pm

Carbon emissions increase with the increasing global population.

So for Trudeau, the answer is to pay people $600/month for each new child they produce and then bring in approximately 400,000 immigrants a year from countries trying to remove their surplus populations.
Then punish all of these people with a carbon tax?

This man is the epitome of illogical thought.

#107 Doug in London on 03.31.19 at 11:13 pm

Can anyone afford 4.6 cents on a litre of gasoline? Well, let’s see. If anyone has been paying attention, you may have noticed the Ford Motor Company has been getting out of the business of making cars and into making more trucks and SUVs which, because of their size, burn more fuel. Why? Because that’s what selling these days. And now the punch line, over the years my fuel sipping 4 cylinder subcompact cars have seen more gravel back roads than most of these trucks will ever see. I also see a lot of people making one person car trips around town and on the highway. Speaking of highways, I’m one of the few poor folks who actually drives at 100 Km per hour on 400 series highways, and 90 Km per hour on secondary highways. Being single and with only one income, I need to keep my costs down and slower speed does that quite effectively. Now, as we enter the warmer months, I’m riding my bike more to get around. I travelled a total of 2068 Km last year and will probably do that much or more this year. With all this bitching, bellyaching, and whining about higher gas prices, I thought I would see more bicycles around like in Copenhagen or Amsterdam, but that’s not the case. Most people here love their cars and don’t mind paying the higher fuel prices. A person’s actions speak louder than their words.

Here’s a link to our obsession with driving everywhere:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/04/22/curing-your-clown-like-car-habit/

So now, what about gas for heating? Isn’t it odd that as family size has gotten smaller houses are getting bigger? That bigger house is not only more expensive to rent but also to heat and cool.

Based on what I’ve seen, Canadians can well afford the paltry increase in fuel prices. By the way, has anyone actually looked at line 449 on their income tax? That’s where you get a rebate called the climate action incentive. The benevolent government is giving me a rebate of $148! Where will I spend it? Let’s see, by season’s end I may need new bike tires.

I mentioned biking above, and how I’ll probably do even more this year. According to the app for my fitbit, my fitness level is excellent, the top of the 6 categories. I think the benevolent government wants to create an incentive for more people to drive less and to walk and bike more so we’ll be more healthy, fit, less obese, and thus put less strain on the already over stressed health care system and ultimately SAVE us all taxpayers money. Wow, what an awesome plan! Keep up the good work, Liberal government!

#108 millmech on 03.31.19 at 11:17 pm

#95
Sounds good just look at Chernobyl. Fukushima, 3 Mile Island, Fairwinds in England. I will take some minor coal energy issues that have a half life of 100years over nuclear issues that have a toxic half life of 500.000 years any day.
Fukushima is great when all the drums of highly radioactive waste fill up they just dump them into the ocean and start filling them again. The old saying that the nuclear energy group uses is “the solution is dilution” will only work for a little while since the technology to fix Fukushima will not be invented for another forty years at least according to the the Japanese Nuclear Industry. So get use to another four decades of highly radioactive waste to be pumped into the Pacific ocean and making its way towards the west coast of north America.

#109 Gravy Train on 03.31.19 at 11:25 pm

#90 not 1st on 03.31.19 at 9:21 pm
“Your panels have a 12 yr payback.” No, the payback is 8.54 years. Learn to do basic math. :)

“The taxpayers picked up the rebate on your behalf; it’s still a cost.” It’s not a cost to me, genius! :)

“By the time those panels pay for themselves, they will be obsolete.” Can you earn a consistent rate of return of 13.81% on your money? If you can, Garth wants to hire you! :)

“Unless you want to move to Southern AB or SK, there is no place else in Canada where solar and wind is economical.” I live on the east coast! :)

“You got the green shaft.” You ought to make financial decisions based on facts, not ideology! :)

#110 n1tro on 03.31.19 at 11:28 pm

Check out this YouTube video debunking top 5 climate change arguments that are typically used to berate the “deniers”.

https://youtu.be/QwviDPo4Rh4

1st one is interesting as it points out where the “majority of scientists” agree that climate change is manmade aka “consensus” argument actually comes from. If true, too funny!

Judge for yourselves people. Don’t let me, the video, or guilt determine what to believe.

#111 Robert Ash on 03.31.19 at 11:44 pm

Any chance of mentioning what kind of Dog, is in the picture of todays post would be appreciated.

#112 SoggyShorts on 03.31.19 at 11:44 pm

#28 Bezengy on 03.31.19 at 6:03 pm
it costs me $20.00 to drive to work with my Honda.
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I don’t know what Honda you are driving, but if it costs you $20 to go to work, maybe that’s the sort of thing the carbon tax is supposed to discourage?
I mean how far do you live from work? 120KM?

I’m not ever for the tax, but your post only fuels(heh) their side of the argument.

#113 Thad Goldberg on 03.31.19 at 11:48 pm

We all know Trudeau is not his own man and is not making decisions for Canadians. The point man for decision making is David Axelrod, ex-campaign manager for Obama and Clinton, now the chief filter and chief advisor for the hundreds of millions of dollars flooding into Canada on behalf of American fanatics of one ilk or another. Axelrod is the tail who wags the Canadian dog. Trudeau is a puppet on a string. Proof of this is found in Vivienne Krause ‘s excellent research of the tax filings of every interference mechanism coming across the mostly American border. Trudeau is a dupe and a mouthpiece only.

Through Viviennes work we see who’s been paid off, you mention Suzuki, paid. George Soros Open Borders .Org is called Tides in Canada and receipts sh millions going to fund frivolous law suits and paying protestors and supplying traing and uniforms and transportation. The tax receipts name the name of all Canadisns who received American money to attack Canadian interests.

It’s not just anti energy and resources. Tax filings also show the Hate Harper Campaign was funded through Tides from Soros because Harper had told the UN to bugger off on the border free migration plan he and many other countries wouldn’t sign. In all it was estimated that $300 million was spent on propaganda, power panels and false reporting to unseat Harper and bring Trudeau up on behalf of Soros Move On . Org., and others who saw Trudeau as a proxy to attack Trump using Canada’s political capital.

The collusion / mixing between Trudeau’s personal funds and other players including millions spent for access by shadowy Chinese billionaires is also on record. The Rockefeller’s, Tom Steyers Farrallon Capital and many others are on the public record for interfering with our election and our democracy. Read Viviennes work. Two years were spent in a frenzy of media focused on Trump for less. Not a word in Canada about the proven relationships that have brought Canada to its knees on many fronts…..silence.

We need only read the media put forth by frontmen forming Obama’s “resistance’ to find Trudeaus policy and talking points. If I hear another leftist bobble head scream ‘human rights crisis’ again this week I might have a melt down. As I said, Trudeau is not his own man, he is a deliberate ‘resistance’ plant, and Canadians hadn’t studied him closely enough, not the hair extensions or the failed eye brow glue. He had never made a national speech of his own words before he was scripted by Axelrod and company. Now, unless we demand that foreign donations are not welcome in Canada we may well see the country start to resemble a toilet bowl of negative opinion by any who’ll pay for access instead of the young country with a bright future ahead that preceded the PM who has never seen a donation he wouldn’t pander to.

#114 cultural elitist on 03.31.19 at 11:57 pm

It amazes me how many Internet posters seem to think they know the truth about climate change. The experts all basically agree. They may well be wrong, but non-experts (that’s us) are in no position to judge.

If nine out of ten dentists tell you you need a root canal, it’s not really rational to choose to go with the minority opinion, now is it?

We really need to get back to basics with our critical thinking. Bertrand Russell called it rational skepticism:

… the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion. The scepticism that I advocate amounts only to this: (1) that when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot be held to be certain; (2) that when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and (3) that when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment.

These propositions may seem mild, yet, if accepted, they would absolutely revolutionize human life.

The whole thing is here , for those interested.

#115 Ponzius Pilatus on 03.31.19 at 11:57 pm

#26 crowdedelevatorfartz on 03.31.19 at 5:50 pm
I just filled up today in Burnaby.
$1.58/liter for regular gas.
$100 didn’t quite fill my 70 liter tank :)

Get ready fellow Canucks ’cause one thing is guaranteed. The tax will never go down….
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Get rid of your gas guzzler.
The Honda dealership had a nice “Fit” for you.
Or get a Compass transit card for $62 a month.
You’d be surprised:.
Public transportation in the lower mainland is getting better by the day.
Give it a try.

#116 Ben Smith on 03.31.19 at 11:57 pm

Only Trudeau’s left wing government would tax pollution but also encourage and give money to families to have more children. Most hypocritical government this country has ever had.

#117 Ponzius Pilatus on 04.01.19 at 12:08 am

#99 Rick on 03.31.19 at 9:55 pm
I choose not to participate. I will fill up in the States! Now, you will get ZERO tax Justin!
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Remember, to add about 35% to the cost of your gas.
And depending how far you have to drive, deduct the cost of the gas you wasted, too.
And if you should have a medical emergency while filling up, don’t bother claiming the astronomical medical bill under your Canadian medical insure.
Because doing so would make you a hypocrite.

#118 Ponzius Pilatus on 04.01.19 at 12:20 am

The other day , at the gas station, I saw a guy filling up his F-150 at the tune of 140.
Probably lasts him a few days, the way these guys are driving.
And, I’m sure, he’s blaming Trudeau.

#119 EV Driver on 04.01.19 at 12:33 am

The carbon tax is a start, but it should be higher because people need to be pushed to change their wasteful ways.

Sure I will pay some, but the rebate will far exceed what I’m paying. Why? For one, I’ve been driving an EV for 8 years, so no gas ever. I have solar air heating on my house for 10 years now. This substantially lowers my heating costs. I also grow some food in a garden every year. So it’s nice to get some money back on my taxes for doing some of the right things all along.

#120 NoName on 04.01.19 at 12:51 am

carbon tax will be cuttin me deep, thats just for me and my car…

https://imgur.com/ndp9cL2

#121 Not So New guy on 04.01.19 at 1:16 am

I call gas prices the alternative central bank. When central banks refuse to do their jobs of restraining runaway inflation, gas prices will often take over and rise to the point that people curtail their spending

#122 Nonplused on 04.01.19 at 1:37 am

#45 bsallergy

Except, most places that sell rotisserie chickens, sell them for the same price as the uncooked chickens. Why? It costs as much fossil fuels to keep them cold as it does to heat them up. If you plan on eating them today, it is cheaper to cook them than to freeze or chill them. So it is a no brainer in our day to day world. Since it is the same price to chill a chicken as it is to cook it, and people but about 4 hours out, cook the chicken.

People don’t understand anything about thermodynamics. Nothing at all.

#123 Nonplused on 04.01.19 at 1:48 am

#71 Trojan House

Most of the waste in the oceans comes from third world countries. We aren’t doing it. We, as Canadians, put in about 1.6% of the so called and maybe important green house gases. The amount of plastic we put in the ocean is less, because we actually recycle some (some not all) of it.

If you recycle an aluminum can in Canada the chances that it gets recycled are very high. If you recycle a plastic bottle in Canada the chances it gets recycled are lower but it is well above zero and those that don’t end up in a land fill, not the ocean. Unless you live in Vancouver and Victoria. They love dumping stuff in the ocean. In Victoria they don’t even bother to process sewage, they just pump it out to sea. I’m not particularly concerned with this because whales and fishes and shrimp shit in the ocean too, but it’s a little funny that they claim the moral high ground.

#124 Speculation on 04.01.19 at 2:02 am

A combination of nuclear,solar and Teslas will save the day. We have the technology let’s fund it.

Our democracy has been bought by big oil and the military industrial complex. Enough have paid the ultimate price. Which has paved the way for us to do better.

Old bags invested and not informed will perish. It is a new day!

#125 rookie57 on 04.01.19 at 2:53 am

I believe the government already taxes fuel quite a lot. Essentially, they are just increasing taxes to get more revenue. Everyone is supposed to buy the story because we are saving the planet. I say BS. Just another tax with a story to serve it.

Climate Change is real. I accept it but climate change has occurred before the industrial revolution. It also means the climate can cool or warm. It doesn’t mean endless warming. The earth is a complex system. Reducing a complex system of climate change to a simple CO2 problem is too simplistic. More research is needed to fully understand the interaction of the many known variables and to find the unknown variables. The climate models used to date are still unreliable as predictive tools as they have failed to quantify the effects of the many variables. New research has also identified new variables that are not included in the models. Hence the present models predicting climate change are essentially useless.

#126 Honky Donkey Blues on 04.01.19 at 3:03 am

I’ve reduced my carbon footprint by wiping my feet after I walk over hot coals.

#127 Evangeline on 04.01.19 at 3:30 am

#95

“Bill Gates ‘thrilled’ by legislative boost for nuclear
29 March 2019

The Nuclear Energy Leadership Act (NELA), bipartisan draft legislation which aims to accelerate the development of advanced nuclear technologies and re-establish US leadership in nuclear energy has been re-introduced to the US Senate…”

http://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Bill-Gates-thrilled-by-legislative-boost-for-nucle

Scott Adams (Dilbert guy) on why Bill Gates is his hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chv6H7CJa_U

#128 Leanne on 04.01.19 at 4:08 am

Let’s not be so short sighted. This tax is designed to change behaviour now to ward off the worst consequences for our planet later. Simple behaviour changes you can make to reduce your costs through carbon taxes paid:
– switch to driving an electric or hybrid car
– cut back on the meat you consume and eat more locally produced foods
– choose to live in a smaller home closer to where you work
– ensure your house is well insulated, put on a sweater in winter and learn to live with a house at 24 degrees in the summer

By developed world standards we live in huge and poorly built houses and drive huge gas guzzling cars over long distances. Totally unnecessary for leading a healthy, happy and meaningful life!

#129 Dolce Vita on 04.01.19 at 5:09 am

For the LOVE OF GOD, will all the Conservatives in Canada stop filming or photographing themselves at a gas pump and posting that along with their banal Carbon Tax epitaph on Twitter.

It must be a RIGHTY thing – Jordan Peterson needs to investigate this mass hysteria (a.k.a., The World of Shrink or Shrek).

People, it’s NOT the 2nd COMING. It’s a tax. That’s all it is.

Ciao d'[*]Italia.

*Twitter Land devoid of 2nd Coming Conservatives, well, except for Salvini (and ya, recesione tecnica).

#130 Figure it Out on 04.01.19 at 7:08 am

Remember this old man?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-preston-manning-has-answer-to-carbon-problem-but-clout-with-conservatives-seems-in-decline

#131 Another Deckchair on 04.01.19 at 7:08 am

Hey #126 Leanne;

“Let’s not be so short sighted….
– switch to driving an electric or hybrid car”

This boomer has done all of that, PLUS got rid of the car. :-)

What’s wrong with public transit? I run a private corp., the transit pass I use is paid by my corp, as I use that for transport. It’s more enjoyable than driving myself, IMHO.

Electric cars are not a panacea; lots of fossil fuels required for manufacture, and road infrastructure – I wish the millennials (etc) would really figure this out.

#132 NoName on 04.01.19 at 7:29 am

@126 Leanne

Why you write like that?

Let’s not be so short sighted. This tax is designed to change behaviour now to ward off the worst consequences for our planet later. Simple behaviour changes you can make to reduce your costs through carbon taxes paid:

Tax is not made made to punish poor people but that os exactly what is it doing. Ask single moms what they think about it, many of them can bearly to aford to feed a family, they cant afford to change their bahavior. Just remember what happend to syrija when people start changing their bahavior to fast, and start moving to the cities in desparate attempt to escape drought and find a job ti support familyies.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/is-a-lack-of-water-to-blame-for-the-conflict-in-syria-72513729/

– switch to driving an electric or hybrid car

When you factor in price difference hybrid vs icu car, brake even point is 8-10 yrs assuming if nothing goes wrong with it. Plug in is ok but only because of rebates, remove rebates icu wins again. Id like to see yours numbers.

– cut back on the meat you consume and eat more locally produced foods

Meat vs wegetables input vs food output
https://learn.uvm.edu/foodsystemsblog/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Energy-inputs-per-food-calorie-VT.jpg

– choose to live in a smaller home closer to where you work

Smaler home to my work is 4-5 more expensive than an average house away from work, as i move close to my work so does my wife moves equal distance from hers. Maybe we should split distance and move half way and pay 2-3 more for home?

– ensure your house is well insulated, put on a sweater in winter and learn to live with a house at 24 degrees in the summer

Does a swather should be made from wool or poliester is fine?

By developed world standards we live in huge and poorly built houses and drive huge gas guzzling cars over long distances. Totally unnecessary for leading a healthy, happy and meaningful life!

Toilets are funny (american numbers)
4gpf toilet compared with 1.3 gpf brake even point is 11 yrs

https://www.poplarnetwork.com/news/payback-period-low-flow-toilets-cost-offset-water-savings

To sumarize, to have mining full life some have to live in shoe box, eat vegetables and drive electric car…

Yes my life is miningles.

#133 Steven Rowlandson on 04.01.19 at 7:34 am

PC science fraud and a lust for money and power leads to excessive taxes and regulation.

Now for the truth about climate change.

Adapt2030:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-5dIHmtQzHIdNCs7-bEdCA

Ice age now:

https://www.iceagenow.info/

#134 Tater on 04.01.19 at 7:41 am

If the carbon tax breaks you, you’re finances were so crap that disaster was just a matter of time. Maybe you can’t actually afford that 3500 square foot house in the burbs and driving an SUV into the city everyday.

#135 dharma bum on 04.01.19 at 7:48 am

Another criminal act (i.e., larceny) by the Liberals.
A strong arm money grab.
They just stick their hands in our pockets and steal more money so they can squander it on whatever wasteful schemes they dream up.
Justin Trudeau – hero of SJWs everywhere.
Pseudo-Feminist.
Liar.
Thief.
Well folks, the “wealth gap” just got wider.
Who do you think is going to be more affected by this latest act of thievery?
The 1%ers?
Or the rest of society, including that massively indebted cohort that would vaporize if they missed one paycheque?

#136 Former Navy Chief on 04.01.19 at 7:52 am

I don’t know what foot to stand on with this government.

I live in a rural area east of Ottawa. I used to take the bus to commute to work. The rural transit route, and the city buses to reach my work in Gatineau meant an additional 90 minutes transit time, which I was willing to put up with, especially since I was able to claim the Transit Tax Credit on income tax. This gave me a pittance of about $500.00 yearly; not much, but it kept me quiet.

After the government cancelled the Transit Tax Credit, I said to myself “this isn’t worth it, so back to driving myself to work I go”.

Now that I’m comfortable driving myself to work, putting up with morons who don’t know how to use a turn signal, and paying for parking to boot, this government wants me to pay another tax on carbon?

Sheesh, and I thought that this government would only attack me as a veteran, and not as a regular citizen.

How naïve of me…

#137 Tater on 04.01.19 at 7:54 am

#42 Ace Goodheart on 03.31.19 at 6:37 pm
I’m like more and more thinkin’, Doug, where did you come from? Fordsie was your bro, and he had some life challenges that smashed his mayoralty and in the end probably put him in the ground before his time…..but where did you come from?

Help is on the way.

He’s like this everyday dude who just figured things out.

I don’t like conservatives because I’m a social liberal. I have serious issues with conservative values and “morals” and I hate churches and religious stuff and all that that stands for.

But this guy is not for all that. He’s like a conservative interloper. He is like, yeah, I’m running the cons, but I want to put beer and wine into corner stores….and the libs are like “that would be unsafe!” (even though they do that in pretty much every American state and it is safe there)……He is something different. He does not really have conservative values.

He seems to have “everyperson” values. I say that because I hate the term “everyman” I think it disparages women and “gender neutral” folks and I am a social Liberal and don’t like hurting people by pointed speech that segregates and brutalises through exclusion.

But Doug……what are you, man? You enigmatic person, you. I have been to the latest “Ford fest” and I can admit that standing next to this dude, and just listening to him talk, I love the guy. He is an “everyman”. He seems to care. And he “gets it”.

Politics for me has always been murky as I have a lot of problems with finding people that actually see things the way I do.

But I like this guy.

I really do.

I know that will make a lot of people angry.

But I do……
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If you want to understand Doug, just watch the movie Tommy Boy. Pretty much captures it.

#138 dharma bum on 04.01.19 at 7:55 am

#107 Doug in London

Now, as we enter the warmer months, I’m riding my bike more to get around. I travelled a total of 2068 Km last year and will probably do that much or more this year.
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Wellllllllll……isn’t that SPECIAL?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDcShv_r20

#139 TurnerNation on 04.01.19 at 7:56 am

And so it begins. Let’s slam workers and working poor. Oh how our elite rulers roar with laughter over the invisible chains that bind us. Just a number on a screen. To control the breeding and feeding of us, the tax farm animals they see.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ttc-fare-increases-take-effect-1.5079176?

#140 50 YEARS OF MAPLE LEAF INCOMPETENCE! on 04.01.19 at 7:57 am

What a typical weekend for Toronturds :(

Blow Jays wiped away by the Tigers, prompting roster shakeups already.

Make Believes closing off the season by choking, losing to the Senators as they limp towards another playoff failure.

GTAholes should push the government to replace the Carbon Tax with a Competence Tax – then they’d never have to pay a penny, heeheehee!!

#141 maxx on 04.01.19 at 8:04 am

@ #21

Vegan, econo-box, buy ~ 75% second-hand (small econo vote to help slow down the import of polluting plasticrap/substandard junk from abroad).

Save like there’s no tomorrow.

Oh wait, the idiocy imposed by these moronic, poser Libs will make it feel just so. Nothing like living without a penny to spare and/or mounting credit debt.

Get ready to take this out of the corner closet and dust it off: reduce, reuse, recycle, reheat, re-purpose, repair, re-gift. Vacations? Only if you love seeing the mountainous pile of debt grow and a credit hangover as the tan migrates from gold to yellow.

I just love the way government and retail believe that citizens’/consumers’ pockets are just that little bit deeper, deeper still and even more.

Now gubbmint is scraping cash off of the bones of the indebted. Retail will take a major kick in the teeth – already started.

Government and retail are nobody’s friend. You are simply a viable….taxpaying….unit and “consumer”. Government does just enough maintenance to ensure that the proles carry on working and spending. There is no such thing as affection and care on the part of gubbmint. As for retail, it’s a constant game of la grande séduction and little, if any, actual delivery.

Come October, let your wallet do the voting.

#142 Hamsterwheelie on 04.01.19 at 8:07 am

#106 Doug has the right idea – we moved closer to the core so we could give up the car, ride our bikes and walk a lot more. We also downsized into a well insulated smaller space which we love. I’d love to see better transit in my city but fortunately I can walk to the GO station and the year round Farmers Market.
I’m disappointed to see Garth take the fear mongering conservatives type of one sided, disinformation stance- if you don’t believe in climate change then incentivizing pro- environment changes means we could end up with a cleaner greener planet….the horror!

#143 gfd on 04.01.19 at 8:15 am

I can feel the world cooling already.

#144 Remembrancer on 04.01.19 at 8:17 am

#121 Not So New guy on 04.01.19 at 1:16 am
I call gas prices the alternative central bank. When central banks refuse to do their jobs of restraining runaway inflation, gas prices will often take over and rise to the point that people curtail their spending
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You might want to look up the definition of inflation next time… gas prices are not interest rates…

#145 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.01.19 at 8:23 am

@#115 Ponzi Pilates
“Public transportation in the lower mainland is getting better by the day….”
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Bwahahahahaha.
Ever try getting to south Richmond at 6:00 am by bus?
Then turn around after an hour to check on a crew in North Van? Then off to look at new job in downtown van?

Subsidized Public Transit( gas tax, property tax, sales tax, etc. etc. etc.) is great for the sheeple going to their 9-5 jobs at the same building, day in and day out.
Anyone else?
A waste of precious time.
As for the Toyota Prius, ok.
Where do I put the construction materials, tools, etc?
Oh, and I would hardly consider a Toyota Tacoma a “gas guzzler” but I’m sure the young kids with appendage issues I see at the fuel pumps with their “jacked” Fords, GM’s and Dodges “monster sized” trucks must be loving these $1.58/liter prices…..

Any more brilliant suggestions about how tradesman can use public transit to go to their various jobsites dragging bags and buckets of tools all over the Lower Brainland throughout the day I can pass on to the great unwashed?

#146 Damifino on 04.01.19 at 8:31 am

#115 Ponzius Pilatus

Public transportation in the lower mainland is getting better by the day. Give it a try.
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Tell it to the miserable sardines packed into the #99 on any weekday rush. And don’t get me started on the #84 from VCC station to UBC. Seriously.

Poor souls. So happy I don’t commute anymore.

#147 Remembrancer on 04.01.19 at 8:41 am

#105 Figure it Out on 03.31.19 at 11:04 pm
So, is there a plan? I don’t want to see four years of fiddling with sex-education and redrawing transit plans.
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You left out paying for endless wrongful dismissal lawsuits, slapping down poor people $5 at a time, license plate redesigns and lame signs at the borders with jurisdictions which compete with us for jobs, but your points are good too.

Until you don’t need a (to be polite) social conservative and regional protest rump to win enough seats, there won’t be a real Conservative party forming a government in Canada…

#148 NoName on 04.01.19 at 8:46 am

#84 Dolce Vita on 03.31.19 at 8:53 pm
#78 Millmech

Actually, if all the World’s Ice were to melt sea levels would rise by 230 feet or about 70 meters.

Have a go with an interactive sea level rise map (they also let you input sea level rises above the maximum estimate above):

http://www.floodmap.net/

It takes about 90 meters to snuff out Parliament Hill in Ottawa…darn.

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That makes no sense, ice is less dense and cover only 10% of total surface, while oceans and seas cover total of 70%.

Also remember that ice that is floating (like ice shelves, sea ice and icebergs) does not contribute to sea level rise upon melting. Only land ice above sea level will contribute to sea level rise.

http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/estimating-glacier-contribution-to-sea-level-rise/

#149 Bezengy on 04.01.19 at 8:56 am

#112 Soggy

#28 Bezengy on 03.31.19 at 6:03 pm
it costs me $20.00 to drive to work with my Honda.
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I don’t know what Honda you are driving, but if it costs you $20 to go to work, maybe that’s the sort of thing the carbon tax is supposed to discourage?
I mean how far do you live from work? 120KM?

I’m not ever for the tax, but your post only fuels(heh) their side of the argument.
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They put these ore bodies in the middle of nowhere if you can believe it…lol
Honda CRV – 150 KM per day round trip, and yes I car pool, and yes this tax has encouraged me to stop driving, and working (soon) btw, it just doesn’t pay anymore.

#150 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 9:01 am

#107 Doug in London on 03.31.19 at 11:13 pm
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Nice summary of the guilt that is placed on us making the people who are opposed to the carbon tax look like selfish people who don’t care. Can you apply your common sense to places like India and China while you are at it?

Excuse me for a bit as I go pay my “fair share” of taxes while the people who came up with this guilt tax are using channels not available to me to avoid/evade taxes.

#151 Remembrancer on 04.01.19 at 9:17 am

#142 Hamsterwheelie on 04.01.19 at 8:07 am
I’m disappointed to see Garth take the fear mongering conservatives type of one sided, disinformation stance- if you don’t believe in climate change then incentivizing pro- environment changes means we could end up with a cleaner greener planet….the horror!
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Not looking to be a suckup, but Gartho has been pretty clear on his views if you read this blog comment section regularly, you may want to reread if you think he’s against a greener planet and for humpback whales washing up on the shores of his bank reno with guts full of buck a beer 6-pack rings…

There is the economic angle though, that based on the stats, Canadians are ill-prepared for this tax along with any other impending scenarios (no preppers, not talking about Nuclear winter, CME, global cooling ice age, polar axis flips, Elizabeth May becoming PM or any other of your TEOTWAWKI wet dreams) around interest rates, out-of-control HELOC loans being recalled etc which will lead to further impacts along with making us uncompetitive in the markets we need to compete in to you know, like eat?
All complex issues, that a feel good slogan won’t help actually solve…

#152 Figure it Out on 04.01.19 at 9:25 am

Ladies and Gentlemen, most of you are saving too much for retirement.

With all the rage, pigheadedness, and adhesion to looney-tunes theories about climate, health, economics and public policy that Garth easily brings out in you six days a week, I predict many of you will be felled early by stress induced disease, lifestyle diseases from poor diet, brain aneurysm, or suffocation due to cranial bowel impaction.

So save a bit less and live for today!

There are a few exceptions here. You know who you are.

#153 Gaston LaGrange on 04.01.19 at 9:31 am

The Great Lie of Global Warming.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/30/time-to-straighten-out-damage-from-the-big-lie-of-global-warming-starting-with-voltaires-admonition/

#154 crowdedelevatorfartz on 04.01.19 at 9:32 am

@#111 Robert Ash
“Any chance of mentioning what kind of Dog, is in the picture of todays post would be appreciated.”

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Caucasion Hottubbis would be my guess.
The other one is a Polar Bear.

#155 Ponzius Pilatus on 04.01.19 at 9:40 am

Stop cherry picking.
I said Lower Mainland, not the Broadway-UBC corridor.
And I said it’s getting better.
It’s not for everyone.
I’ll take the 351 from Bridgeport to White Rock on the 99 to White Rock.
HOV all through the tunnel. 25 minutes flat.
Can read the newspaper, do work on my computer.
Or just stare at the idiot drivers stuck in traffic while we zip by.

#156 TurnerNation on 04.01.19 at 10:06 am

Front page story on Globe and mail print edition today. ..how bad life is in China. You know the world’s second largest economy one our leaders never will criticize.

The propaganda runs thick in Kanada.
Monday morning carbon tax and this is the lead story? What can I do about China.

#157 PA on 04.01.19 at 10:21 am

#131 Another Deckchair

“…What’s wrong with public transit? I run a private corp., the transit pass I use is paid by my corp, as I use that for transport. It’s more enjoyable than driving myself, IMHO….”

Your joking right? That’s an easy answer. Its totally inadequate nearly everywhere in Canada. It doesn’t provide service where we need to go 99% of the time. Even when taking public transit it to destinations it does provide it takes 4 times as long as driving. And of course, your faced with being unable to board due to over crowding. Does Public transit work, sure in very defined places—Say Europe ….

#158 Islanddave on 04.01.19 at 10:34 am

I guess I might be a little off topic today but.. more and more I’m thinking this going with younger, more photogenic political leaders might not have been our collective best idea ever. A little more maturity, a little more real world experience..hard slogging for me personally to feel any too positive about our choices come October

#159 IHCTD9 on 04.01.19 at 10:55 am

Trudeau’s carbon tax is stupid for many reasons – not the least of which is that it won’t reduce CO2 emissions.

In response to this tax, I will be selling the used pellet stove I just installed in the basement last year. Bought it for 700.00, repaired for 100.00, it’ll sell easy next fall for 1600.00. I’ll put that 800.00 profit cash in my pocket.

I am then building a modified downdraft wood gasifier to replace it. Several businesses locally put waste wood out for free – a lot of it is edging strips which are bark free and kiln dried. The gasifier will run on chunks via a 200 lb hopper. I’ll park this thing inside my drive shed and heat via water.

End result is my current heating bill drops a minimum of 50%, and the savings offset the 4.5 cent carbon taxes on just over 22,000 litres of gasoline. That’s more than our household uses in a year by a looong shot.

Unfortunately my CO2 emissions will probably triple or quadruple…

Don’t hate the player – hate the game.

#160 Renter's Revenge! on 04.01.19 at 11:05 am

I guess this falls under the category of “If it moves, tax it.”

#161 thebarold on 04.01.19 at 11:14 am

The household debt crisis has a similar foundation to the climate crisis. We are spending (consuming) more today than our future can afford. The outcomes range from unfortunate (people have to downsize their lifestyles) to biblical.

Myopia allows us to believe that incomes will continue to grow and the earth will continue to absorb all the carbon dioxide so I can keep consuming in the fashion I have become accustomed. I’ve been reading this blog for a long time and I agree with your financial premise – however as most humans tend to prefer optimistic outlooks, I don’t see perceptions changing without some drastic catastrophic outcome. (and even after the Great Recession, we haven’t learned our lesson).

#162 Linda on 04.01.19 at 11:17 am

My true objection to the carbon tax is that it is not going to be used to, for instance, develop new technologies that would reduce our carbon footprint. No funding for cleaner, greener energy development or research here. Nope, going to ‘refund 90% of it’ to consumers, using the remaining 10% (as per the news) to help small/medium business, hospitals & so forth pay their carbon tax bill. All this apparently via filing one’s income tax return. So this tax isn’t meant to actually do anything about reducing carbon emissions but rather will increase the amount of paperwork required when filing taxes, plus pay to administer the transfer of some of the taxes collected to various businesses to offset the amount they have to pay. Wonder if being a campaign contributor will result in being any of those businesses receiving carbon tax relief? Oh yes, I can totally see how this tax will help improve our carbon footprint & save the planet. Not!

#163 walltiger on 04.01.19 at 11:34 am

107 Doug.

I totally agree with you Doug. Canadians can afford the paltry gas tax if they can afford the F150. I am on my bike all winter long here in Toronto. Keep it up.

#164 Lost...but not leased on 04.01.19 at 11:38 am

This is one of THE best lectures about the SCAM of Climate Change….covers so many bases, easily understandable and highly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrkqLaYjnc

#165 Another Deckchair on 04.01.19 at 11:45 am

@157 PA:

No, not joking, and I totally agree with you that in Canada, individual cars on roads are better almost always, as you say.

Can I offer a story and a question? Lived in Europe for quite a while; getting to work I had 4 choices, walk (12km), bike, public transit or drive.

Driving took generally 1.5 hours. Bike was by far the best. Walking was about as fast as driving.

Now, if the roads were like here in Canada, driving would be 15 minutes.

The Question is: “why do we continue to build lots of roads, instead of putting this money into more public transit?”

Where I live, a highway (road) $95 million widening is happening, for an added 3km of 1 extra lane each way. Nice, but $95 million could go to public transit, and not to adding more capacity to a road, and help what this new tax is supposed to help.

(just saying – there’s no one correct solution to this)

#166 millmech on 04.01.19 at 11:49 am

#104 Adrian
I guess you missed all the news from the last couple of years about the record snowpacks of 200% above normal which contributed to the record number of floods lately in the interior. Those red dead pine trees are caused by the pine beetle not drought but each to his own.

Isn’t abnormal snow pack the result of abnormal weather? Is that not what climate change is about? – Garth

#167 Figure it Out on 04.01.19 at 11:58 am

“Unfortunately my CO2 emissions will probably triple or quadruple…”

Don’t be so hard on yourself. What would have happened to the waste wood before? Burned less efficiently, or without even using the heat? Chipped for yard mulch? Buried in a shallow landfill subject to anaerobic decomposition? 5-10% decomposition to methane with no energy recovery is, I think, a lot worse for global warming than being burned in a relatively efficient burner that replaces fossil fuel heat.

So it depends, in your case. But overall, if the price of carbon goes up, people will use less of it.

I enjoy your tales from the woods.

#168 Doug in London on 04.01.19 at 12:11 pm

@Tater, post #134:
Yup, sums it up quite well. Couldn’t have said it better!

@n1tro, post #150:
Could I apply my common sense to places like India and China while I’m at it? Yes I could. If I lived in China or India, I would be biking like I do here at home in London, ON. In fact I DID rent a bike when one was available to get around in some places I visited in India and it worked just as well or better than my old Raleigh bike back home. I’ve also rented bikes in other places I’ve visited as well as biking where I lived. A bike got me around quite well on the streets of Sarnia, Oakville, Mississauga, Timmins, Ottawa, and other places I’ve lived. I rather liked using the bike trails around Ottawa and Gatineau, just as I like riding the trails here in London. I’ll be riding my bike to the many events this summer at Victoria Park. Say, when’s that Home County folk music fest on?

#169 David Pylyp on 04.01.19 at 12:25 pm

So we are going to TAX all Canadians… who use the other 97% of fossil fuels for a false dream.

“…wind, solar, and batteries—the favored alternatives to hydrocarbons—provide about 2% of the world’s energy and 3% of America’s.”

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible

We do live in interesting times.

#170 Tax Is Tax on 04.01.19 at 12:39 pm

Call it what it is, carbon tax is another tax on people and business. Has the climate of the earth changed? Yes many times and will continue to do so.
Taxing business, which in turn costs the people, does nothing for the climate but fills the Feds bank account.
If you still think this tax is good, watch businesses ditch workers, and watch businesses close because of low consumer spending. It’s coming.

#171 Deplorable Dude on 04.01.19 at 12:42 pm

‘Isn’t abnormal snow pack the result of abnormal weather? Is that not what climate change is about? – ‘Garth

Sure….that’s the official line. But none of this weather is abnormal if you go back a 100 years of so and check records (at least records that haven’t been made up or altered).

If the Poles were warming then the temp differential with lower lattitudes decreases…which should mean less extreme weather. We’re not seeing that. Also Spring should be starting earlier….we’re not seeing that either…

But that’s the beauty of the Climate Alarmists…all weather patterns prove their point…hence their science is unfalsifiable…hence it’s not a science.

CO2 is not a poison…..plant life loves it….the planet becomes greener with more CO2.

#172 Bytor the Snow Dog on 04.01.19 at 12:42 pm

Garth if I may? The following was authored by poster “Jim Mason” in the comments section of the National post. Great arguments against the carbon tax. In a nutshell, it’s useless virtue signalling.
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Jim Mason sez:

“Some inconvenient(?) truths.

Canada’s targeted reduction in CO2 emissions represents 0.0048 of total global emissions.

Canada’s targeted reduction in CO2 emissions represents 0.000053 of the total CO2 in the atmosphere. This corresponds to about 0.02 ppm (out of the current 410 ppm).

Using the rate of temperature increase published by the IPCC for the period 1980-2005 and the increase in total CO2 content of the atmosphere during the same time period, Canada’s targeted reduction in CO2 emission equates to a temperature change of 0.0001 ºC—which, I suspect, cannot actually be discerned.

Using the CO2 emission per unit of GDP published by the IPCC, Canada’s targeted reduction in CO2 emissions represents a decrease in Canada’s GDP—and, correspondingly, citizens standard of living— of about 25% from its current value.

Some questions for emissions reduction advocates.

How do the advocates of emissions reductions hope to achieve the targeted reduction in emissions without a corresponding decrease in standard of living of all Canadians? Please be detailed and specific—no arm-waving, platitudes please.

Why do the advocates of emissions reductions insist that we do this to ourselves when the impact of the effort will not be discernible?

How was the 1.5 ºC acceptable upper limit for temperature increase since pre-industrial times determined/established? What happens if this limit is exceeded by, say 0.1ºC, or 0.5 ºC?

On the assumption that it is the absolute level of CO2 in the atmosphere in ppm that is the significant number, what is the level, in ppm, at which “climageddon” happens?

What is the maximum allowable annual global emission rate that can be accommodated while not exceeding this ppm level”?

#173 not 1st on 04.01.19 at 12:46 pm

#109 Gravy Train on 03.31.19 at 11:25 pm
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You don’t even know what you invested in. That system will never produce the power they told you. Even so, $14,000 spent on R60 insulation in your attic, exterior sheathing and switching your furnace and all lighting to LEDs would have saved you the same money without putting ugly panels on your roof.

#174 Remembrancer on 04.01.19 at 1:05 pm

#162 Linda on 04.01.19 at 11:17 am
…My true objection to the carbon tax is that it is not going to be used to, for instance, develop new technologies that would reduce our carbon footprint…

…All this apparently via filing one’s income tax return…
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Line 449 of your standard tax return form.

While rarely staying that tame when they escape into the wild, tax & rebate schemes like this seek to incentivize the inflicted payer to do less of something to suffer a lower penalty and mitigate the down stream impacts. Most of it is targeting more carbon heavy businesses who pay the tax, and of course who will pass costs on down stream as much as they can and _maybe_ look for less taxed ways of doing things. The consumers at the end of the supply chain will get some compensation for this downloading of costs in the form of rebates at tax filing time (if you apply) but ultimately pay more and in some fashion buy less as income isn’t magically now going up automatically in this utopia. The incentive then is to be taxed less by producing (or consuming) less carbon, in theory – hence the free market is incented to produce less carbon through process changes, technology, going out of business due to crushing costs, etc – that’s the theory anyway…

Rather then railing against climate change as leftie dogma (or the useless false argument of “they called it global warming, its freaking freezing in my square KM of RE, coldest its been in 1000 years, we sure could use some of that global warming now”), a fiscal-minded conservative should be debating based on what the costs are to administer this little scheme, how are taxes calculated and administered, what actually happens to the collections, who gets the rebates and why / how, how is the desired effect being measured and what are the results? i.e. Does it work and how damn much is it costing us?

You know, counter argue the policy and the issues based on facts – gimme an alternative. Instead in ON we get tweets from every sycophant PC MPP making sure @FordNation knows they took a selfie in front of a gas station this morning. That’s really helping move things forward…

#175 Headhunter on 04.01.19 at 1:17 pm

They are coming for what ever scraps you have.. spend er now.. posted this on my FB page today

Happy “Carbon Tax” Day Ontario suckers! This got me thinkin.. again!. The EU has mandated that every car by 2022 (not that far away) will have speed sensor software. Wont be long before its hits North America. Keep you from speeding. SAFETY FIRST! Basically every car made from 2018 on already has the software. Volvo was just in the news about this.

FACT.. most Police forces in North America look at speeding tickets as REVENUE. Where are they going to come up with all those millions that writing speeding tickets used to generate? You think they are just going to say OK we get less money?

Same with car less cities, they will need way less Police and Fire/Ambulance services sorry to say. Multiply that by 1000’s of cities be a shit-ton of highly paid gov’t people out of work. Let alone the entire auto, auto parts and auto insurance industry and spin-offs will be devastated.

#176 Arctic Gringo: Qalunaaq on 04.01.19 at 1:19 pm

Poloz is in my neck of the tundra. Talkin’ trade. What April Fool’s type questions should I yell from the audience?

#177 Tony on 04.01.19 at 1:21 pm

Trump family to be indicted just like I told everyone everywhere all over the internet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/johnstone-leaked-401-page-mueller-report-proves-barr-lied-collusion-theorists

#178 PastThePeak on 04.01.19 at 1:22 pm

Regardless of whether a person believes or not that AGW is a coming catastrophe, the simple fact is that only nuclear energy is a solution to replacing fossil fuels AND maintaining the current population with close to the same standard of living everyone has today.

Don’t take my word for it – take the word of a couple environmentalists that can do math and engineering (note – a very rare breed).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0W1ZZYIV8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

The fact that the majority of AGW alarmists also are 100% against nuclear energy would mean that they either don’t believe in science & engineering, or that they don’t, deep down, think the problem *really* needs to be solved (just taxed).

#179 Howard on 04.01.19 at 1:30 pm

Greater Vancouver home sales for March 2019 was the worst March since 1986.

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1112720384804057089/photo/1

I think we had that news here last week…. – Garth

#180 bdwy sktrn on 04.01.19 at 1:33 pm

#104 Adrian on 03.31.19 at 10:20 pm
Climate change is real. The drought, fires, and forests dying in BC from lack of water prove it. Not sure what we can do about it but it is a fact.
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california had a very bad drought for a few years, it was caused by climate change, like current conditions in BC.

the drought ended a couple years ago, as CO2 increased steadily. plenty of rain , tons actually

so the ‘fact’ is that increasing CO2 has caused the end of the drought in cali.

….
this is idiot logic, just like yours.
it’s called weather.

life is hard. it’s harder if you’re stupid. i’m sorry for how terribly difficult you must find it.

#181 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 1:37 pm

#163 walltiger on 04.01.19 at 11:34 am
107 Doug.

I totally agree with you Doug. Canadians can afford the paltry gas tax if they can afford the F150. I am on my bike all winter long here in Toronto. Keep it up.
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Key words…”the paltry gas tax if they can afford the F150….”
The flaw in the assumption is that the tax is only punishing F150 owners when that is truly not the case.

Your logical flaw would have the government punish evil doctors (or insert any other group that is precieved to have excess) out of jealously, self righteousness, or whatever.

Sad.

#182 Boots on the Ground in Portland on 04.01.19 at 1:43 pm

Has everyone seen “Seattle is Dying?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

Yes, completely off topic for this post but I rarely make time to comment but I think this is important enough that I’m doing it now while I have a chance.

In my opinion this mini docu from local news KOMU is a tactful, compelling look at this “housing crisis”. Like the reporting notes, if we can’t even call this crisis what it actually is-a drug crisis- then how can we fix it? I could have cried watching it.

This is where sanctuary cities, safe shoot sites and what Smoky calls “obedience certificates” get us. (No offense to anyone with useful phd’s or anything but this docu clearly shows how misled this “progressive” thinking we have coming out of the colleges is and what it leads to, even if well intentioned. ) I’m referencing the clips of city council meetings when I say that- there is a similar mindset here in Portland also.

Like the retired policeman interviewed noted, he sees the situation as nothing less than a concentration camp without barbed wire, complete with using humans for drug experiments.

All I can say is here’s looking at you YVR and Toronto. Its no surprise really since Seattle is downhill from YVR and their resident fentanyl crisis.

Did you know that Seattle has about a 16% rental vacancy rate in the city centre? Then there are the retailers closing up shop and moving to Bellvue.

No wonder.

#183 SoggyShorts on 04.01.19 at 1:43 pm

#171 Deplorable Dude on 04.01.19 at 12:42 pm
CO2 is not a poison…..plant life loves it….the planet becomes greener with more CO2.
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Ugh I hate that argument. You can’t just give something more and more food and expect it to eat all of it forever.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/19/new-study-undercuts-favorite-climate-myth-more-co2-is-good-for-plants

#184 Y. Knott on 04.01.19 at 1:47 pm

#5 michael guy on 03.31.19 at 4:51 pm

“… In fact, Ontarians are receiving all of their carbon taxes back as incentives (rebates) in the federal government’s backstop plan. Most will make money on the arrangement.”

– Suuuure they will. Remember, a government can’t give you anything that they didn’t take from somebody else; so if they’re giving back more money than they take-in, where will they get the extra? We all know the usual answer to that.

#49 mountain guy on 03.31.19 at 6:56 pm

Many would prefer fee and dividend instead of a tax: All fossil fuel energy gets charged a fee. All fees are returned directly to citizens of the country, equally. 100% rebate. No cut for any level of gov’t. No money set-aside to fund special projects. Just a nudge for each of us to burn a little less, or a reward for those who do burn less.

– Everybody going-on about “redistribution” seems to forget the massive costs of government administration it’ll involve, paid-for with our money. Suggesting there’ll be any money to rebate, much less that they’ll actually rebate it, should be treated no more seriously than any other election promise.

#89 Samantha on 03.31.19 at 9:20 pm

The liberals are set to lose the coming federal elections in spectacular fashion, and their nonsense carbon tax will be eliminated. Meanwhile will pay more for everything for the next year or so…
– and…

#102 n1tro on 03.31.19 at 10:12 pm

Can someone tell the conservatives that if they want to win in October, all they need to say is they will repeal the carbon tax. I think that message alone would do the trick.

– It worked so well with Chretien’s promise to scrap the GST, right? Taxes NEVER go away; the CON’s will just find a lame excuse why they can’t afford to eliminate it ( – or change its name, like Chretien did).

#28 Bezengy on 03.31.19 at 6:03 pm

C’mon Justin, you can do better, you’re leaving money on the table.

– DON’T TELL HIM!!! – aww, NOW you’ve done it… :(

#185 Ubul on 04.01.19 at 1:48 pm

Isn’t abnormal snow pack the result of abnormal weather? Is that not what climate change is about? – Garth

You were the special advisor Garth, what do we know?

I can’t even warp my had around what the minister in charge said this morning: “people will get more in tax rebate that they pay for carbon tax”.

Does she mean that I could make money by creating as big carbon footprint as I possibly can? Supposedly Trudeau will collect my carbon footprint and a bit from some dirty companies and send the loot to me.

#186 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 1:49 pm

#168 Doug in London on 04.01.19 at 12:11 pm

@n1tro, post #150:
Could I apply my common sense to places like India and China while I’m at it? Yes I could. If I lived in China or India, I would be biking like I do here at home in London, ON. In fact I DID rent a bike when one was available to get around in some places I visited in India and it worked just as well or better than my old Raleigh bike back home. I’ve also rented bikes in other places I’ve visited as well as biking where I lived. A bike got me around quite well on the streets of Sarnia, Oakville, Mississauga, Timmins, Ottawa, and other places I’ve lived. I rather liked using the bike trails around Ottawa and Gatineau, just as I like riding the trails here in London. I’ll be riding my bike to the many events this summer at Victoria Park. Say, when’s that Home County folk music fest on?
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You missed the point completely. If your common sense isn’t applied to the majority in India or China who are the biggest polluters in the world, your individual efforts, although noble, means jack squat to solving the problem.

That’s how it is when applying this guilt tax to Canadians. Your original premises trivializes Canadians who are already living a minimalistic lifestyle like yourself and are being punished while making the assumption that anyone who opposes this are F150 owners which is not the case.

As for the people on their high horses with their EVs blah, blah, blah….not everyone can afford an EV even with the subsidies. So people driving fuel efficient cars are not the evil ones here.

With majority of EVs MSRP starting above $45K, the $5K off EVs (under $45K as per the terms) announced in the budget gets you what exactly???

#187 kommykim on 04.01.19 at 2:06 pm

When I was younger I wondered if the human species could be saved from it’s own self inflicted doom.
Today, after reading GW denier comments here and elsewhere, I wonder if the human species is even worth saving.

#188 JuliaS on 04.01.19 at 2:07 pm

So, when the stats relating to cooling instead of warming eventually break though the mainstream data-fudging blockage, will I get a refund equal to the amount of carbon tax collected? Of course not! Politicians get to invent reasons to tax and then run away with all the money, as they always do.

I’m not a climate change denier. I’m a government solution denier.

#189 bdwy sktrn on 04.01.19 at 2:22 pm

#173 not 1st on 04.01.19 at 12:46 pm
#109 Gravy Train on 03.31.19 at 11:25 pm
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You don’t even know what you invested in. That system will never produce the power they told you.
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he’s on track after a week, the question is was it a more sunny than usual week? if so he’s hooped.

his installer may have been an honest(ish) one regarding the estimates. they may be close to actual results assuming there is zero shadowing and zero days of snow cover. (it never snows in canada right?)

what happens when he needs a new roof?

8000W rated system in full sun and perfect angle will only produce about 5500W assuming he’s got some crazy fat wiring.

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i have 2 part time cabins with solar only. instead of 8000w i have 200w and 2-12v batts at each place. run a small 12v fridge , led lights as many as you want, phones, laptop, small kitchen appliances, vacuum, charge tool batts, etc.

will add more watts when clothes washer, dishwasher are added.

$800 for the gear for each place. no rebates.

$0 elec consumption. 0$ connection/installation (we are looking at $9k for hook up to the grid). 0$ monthly service charge.

the real savings are by cutting consumption heavily.

i do use plenty of american low tax gas in the truck and boat to get there!

CO2 is not pollution.

#190 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 2:34 pm

#183 SoggyShorts on 04.01.19 at 1:43 pm
#171 Deplorable Dude on 04.01.19 at 12:42 pm
CO2 is not a poison…..plant life loves it….the planet becomes greener with more CO2.
****************
Ugh I hate that argument. You can’t just give something more and more food and expect it to eat all of it forever.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/sep/19/new-study-undercuts-favorite-climate-myth-more-co2-is-good-for-plants
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I find it amusing that an article that shows anything in excess is not good for something (ie. CO2 as plant food) is categorized under “…./climate-consensus-97-per-cent…/”

Here is the backstory to the 97%…

In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for some warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.

Mr. Cook’s work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found “only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse” the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

^ yes, a “blogger” came up with the “97% consensus” while a “scientist” proved it wrong, yet it still carries on till today.

#191 Damifino on 04.01.19 at 2:36 pm

#164 Lost…but not leased

Hey, thanks for the Patrick Moore video. Good one.

#192 Ubul on 04.01.19 at 2:36 pm

#177 Tony on 04.01.19 at 1:21 pm

Trump family to be indicted just like I told everyone everywhere all over the internet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/johnstone-leaked-401-page-mueller-report-proves-barr-lied-collusion-theorists

Finally! You are a prophet, Tony. That leaked full report is just horrifying! 10.5 times worst than the carbon tax.

#193 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 2:39 pm

#184 Y. Knott on 04.01.19 at 1:47 pm

#102 n1tro on 03.31.19 at 10:12 pm

Can someone tell the conservatives that if they want to win in October, all they need to say is they will repeal the carbon tax. I think that message alone would do the trick.

– It worked so well with Chretien’s promise to scrap the GST, right? Taxes NEVER go away; the CON’s will just find a lame excuse why they can’t afford to eliminate it ( – or change its name, like Chretien did).
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I have no doubt that a Conservative win based on repealing the Carbon tax would stay in 1 form or another. Politicians are mostly the same. Once they see the free cash flow of “insert name”-tax, it is too irresistable. It’s like the Ring in LOTR…everyone wants it to do “good” but it just ends up corrupting them.

#194 Penny Henny on 04.01.19 at 2:39 pm

The Bear Tax, better than The Beer Tax

#195 n1tro on 04.01.19 at 2:46 pm

#187 kommykim on 04.01.19 at 2:06 pm

When I was younger (2 years younger) I wondered if the lefties could be saved from their own self inflicted doom when they tried to deny a legal and legitimate election of the 45th president.

Today, after reading reading that Russia had nothing to do with the Trump victory and still seeing comments here and elsewhere about #resist #orangemanbad, I wonder if the lefties are even worth saving.

#196 Stark Raving Bonkers - CO2 on the Brain on 04.01.19 at 2:48 pm

The Queen will not be amused……….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6874105/Semi-naked-climate-change-protesters-interrupt-Commons-debate-Brexit.html

#197 Penny Henny on 04.01.19 at 3:06 pm

#122 Nonplused on 04.01.19 at 1:37 am
#45 bsallergy

Except, most places that sell rotisserie chickens, sell them for the same price as the uncooked chickens. Why? It costs as much fossil fuels to keep them cold as it does to heat them up. If you plan on eating them today, it is cheaper to cook them than to freeze or chill them. So it is a no brainer in our day to day world. Since it is the same price to chill a chicken as it is to cook it, and people but about 4 hours out, cook the chicken.

People don’t understand anything about thermodynamics. Nothing at all.
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rotisserie chicken $7.99 for 700g

uncooked chicken $7.99 for 1800g

Nonplused do you see a difference?

#198 Deplorable Dude on 04.01.19 at 3:07 pm

#183 Soggy Shorts…

Who do you believe?

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/

Based on computer models…..as is global warming….

#177 Tony

You obviously didn’t follow the links on that article, you know what date it is, right?

#199 Linda on 04.01.19 at 3:47 pm

#174 ‘Remembrancer’ – I have little doubt that the administration of the carbon tax will cost one heck of a lot. My main objection remains the same, that the funds collected are not being used to develop ways & means to mitigate our carbon footprint.

It would be nice if Canada could take the lead on developing sustainable, new technologies that would replace jobs lost as older tech falls by the wayside. Just saying.

#200 NoName on 04.01.19 at 4:19 pm

@ seattle is dying dude

i came across link to video on 25th i watched it twice since, very disturbing. Luckaly for me i am half greenwashed so i dint care about social issues anymore, probably that is only reason i never posted it here.

now that we are on carbon tax bandwagon here is interesting thing about it from saskachatoon.

https://twitter.com/PremierScottMoe/status/1111767084277493760

#201 entropy on 04.01.19 at 4:20 pm

I thought you only get money back(in Ontario for example) if you lived outside a major center?
Ie: If you live in Toronto youre out of luck.

#202 Gravy Train on 04.01.19 at 4:20 pm

#173 not 1st on 04.01.19 at 12:46 pm
“You don’t even know what you invested in. That system will never produce the power they told you.” I have the complete specs for the solar panels and microinverters. The photovoltaic system is designed to deliver at least 8,258 kilowatt hours.

“Even so, $14,000 spent on R60 insulation in your attic, exterior sheathing and switching your furnace and all lighting to LEDs would have saved you the same money without putting ugly panels on your roof.” I contacted Efficiency Nova Scotia for a complete home energy assessment to save energy in my home. One of their energy advisors came to my home and performed an EnerGuide evaluation, checking it over from attic to basement, looking at insulation levels, air leakage, and mechanical systems.

Our current EnerGuide rating is 58 GJ/year; as a comparator, a typical new house built to building code energy requirements is 69 GJ/year.

Two recommendations were made: adding renewables and air sealing. These two upgrades will result in rating reductions of 31 GJ/year: 30 GJ/year from adding renewables and 1 GJ/year from air sealing.

#203 Shawn Allen on 04.01.19 at 4:22 pm

Some Things Are Cheap But it is seldom acknowledged

Penny Henny noted

rotisserie chicken $7.99 for 700g

uncooked chicken $7.99 for 1800g

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Both are incredibly cheap. $5.19 per pound for a cooked chicken and $2.02 per pound for the raw chicken. Meanwhile you can’t find apples for under $2.00 per pound in my store. They are boldly advertising $3.49 per pound for apples.

How a chicken can be raised, transported, processed, transported again and then cooked and sold for what amounts to 30 minutes at minimum wage and 15 minutes at an average wage, is truly a miracle. A miracle of our entire free/government economic system. God bless our capitalist / government system. It truly is miraculous. (Of course the chickens of the world may hold a different view!)

No wonder there is a chicken in every pot!

#204 Barb on 04.01.19 at 5:54 pm

Wish the Green Shift had prevailed!

And don’t forget ALL of us continue to pay GST on GST…taxes upon taxes. The reversing was denied last year.

Carbon taxes are awful…my little business sustained a huge whammy when that arrived; tough to pass onto customers.

#205 Adam on 04.01.19 at 6:12 pm

It was their loss Garth. Dont stop.

#206 Remembrancer on 04.01.19 at 6:16 pm

#199 Linda on 04.01.19 at 3:47 pm

Linda, I didn’t address this directly before, but my understanding is that the scheme has a design point of being mostly revenue neutral (haha) while incenting carbon consumers to reduce consumption. That doesn’t include a R&D fund for alternate energy research, instead features a (supposed) transfer back to the end consumer i.e. us, reflecting the impact of the tax costs being passed on to us by manufacturers….

#207 Penny Henny on 04.01.19 at 7:08 pm

#201 entropy on 04.01.19 at 4:20 pm
I thought you only get money back(in Ontario for example) if you lived outside a major center?
Ie: If you live in Toronto youre out of luck.
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You are partially right.
Toronto residents still get it but…
Extra 10% if you are in a designated rural area.

#208 Jesse Martin on 04.01.19 at 8:45 pm

I have been wishing for years that taxes would be shifted towards consumption and away from income. It seems totally logical for changing behaviours from how we treat the environment to actually trying to create savings for retirement.

However, to be fair, in a consumer economy, rampant spending keeps the economic engine warm, while rampant saving could cause the engine to choke and die.

#209 Doug in London on 04.01.19 at 11:27 pm

@n1tro, post 186:
The fact is YOU missed the point. My “efforts” as you call them hardly put a dent in world carbon emissions, so why do I even bother? It’s simple, it’s all about dollars and cents, as well as taking care of MY health and well being. If I reduce my carbon emissions, it’s an inevitable consequence of buying less fuel and saving myself a few bucks, as well as getting some exercise along the way. Only in the affluent society does a person drive to a gym, then pay money to run on a treadmill there. So yes, higher fuel prices DO encourage a more practical person like me to use less fuel, as I believe is the intended purpose of this carbon tax. It’s nothing short of amazing how money talks and motivates sensible people.

#210 Rent the podium on 04.02.19 at 1:54 am

I was always surprised more Conservatives weren’t for this type of consumption tax, which asks people to decide with their wallet, creating natural market forces. BC’s variant, introduced by probably one of the bravest (and conservative) politicians to come along in a while: GMC. It was so simple and effective for its effort that it pulled a number from the left to the BC Liberals. It spoke to the electorate, became the defining issue and won them a third term. Period. Dion was resoundingly beaten by the federal Conservatives. The Green Shift was dead by association. Do not resuscitate. The next gen of Liberals read the tea leaves and reincarnated the best (only?) available option. Shop local also applies to policy. The federated system at its finest? It’s also being introduced at a time when people finally have real zero carbon automobile options that are essentially equivalent or better in most measures of performance. In a few years this will likely include zero carbon gasoline (see the BC/Alberta success Carbon Engineering). This I think is an important equality factor that wasn’t true in 2007 (see BC above). Also noteworthy, the revenue from this puppy will track carbon emissions downward, which means it’s a tax with a planned obsolescence. I know this didn’t make a dent on 99.99% of you. Fair enough. In closing I will blow your minds with a tectonic reveal. Garth, your thoughts on this topic are at best unoriginal, at worst they are unfortunately identical to the BC NDP leader Carole James circa 2007 (gasp!).

#211 Gravy Train on 04.02.19 at 8:42 am

#189 bdwy sktrn on 04.01.19 at 2:22 pm
“he’s on track after a week, the question is was it a more sunny than usual week? if so he’s hooped.” Update: 145.0 kWh of power were produced over the past five days. Best day (Mar. 28): 45.0 kWh. Worst day (Mar. 30): 13.9 kWh. You be the judge. I’ll provide an update a year from now! :)

“what happens when he needs a new roof?” Estimated undiscounted future savings over the next 25 years (assuming inflation in power costs of 3%/year) = $63,730. Estimated costs to remove solar panels to repair or replace roof over the next 25 years = (max.) $3,000. Net gain = $60,730.

“8000W rated system in full sun and perfect angle will only produce about 5500W […].” Non sequitur. :)