Weed deeds

As you know (how could you not?) this week our Dominion joins mighty Uruguay, a Third World, barely industrialized country (pop 3 million, average annual family income $10,000 US), in legalizing weed.

Since only Stoners and knuckle-dragging MAGA believers read this blog, we will refrain from passing any judgment whatsoever on the idiotic, populist idea of a federal government encouraging widespread smoking and drug use when we have a health crisis. So let’s be tolerant. Ancient Rome used to be a cool place, too.

In practical terms, legal cannabis is a big deal for real estate.

Two weeks ago this blog outlined the ways some Big City condo corps are dealing with the fact Canadians have the right to turn into urban farmers and cultivate plants in their own units. Now that garden centres are reporting a run on hydroponic gear and online stores are shipping tons of grow tents, condo boards and landlords are scared. Smell, mold, fire hazard all come to mind when people contemplate weed enthusiasts turning their bathrooms and laundry closets into grow-ops.

Condo building managers as a result are busy passing bylaws prohibiting high-rise ranchers from planting their crops. They also want to deal with all that stinky smoke expected to waft under sills and through windows. Legal weed is prompting many of them to institute smoking bans in individual units. Others are adopting a ‘grandfather’ approach, making units smoke-free when existing owners sell. Hardest hit, of course, will be legions of amateur landlords, whose tenants will argue they have the legal right to toke at will and turn their shower into a ganja rain forest.

But wait, this isn’t just about condos.

Would you want to buy a house in which MJ crops had been cultivated? Up to this point the answer has been a resounding ‘no way.’ It was illegal activity, after all. Now it’s not. But a survey this week found 52% want nothing to do with any piece of real estate where weed’s been raised, legit or otherwise. So realtors – obliged to reveal all they know about a property’s history and usage – could be in an ethical pickle going forward.

The prospect of purchasing a home that’s been used to grow marijuana may continue to provoke an emotional response from some buyers,” says Ontario’s real estate association in a stiff note to its members yesterday. “As such, it’s important to understand whether this is a concern for your client and to take appropriate steps to protect their interests.”

Stigma. That’s the issue. Courts have found in favour of buyers who walked away from deals because the properties they went after had a stigma – causing a negative emotional response when previously-undisclosed info was made available to them. You know, like discovering a dude suicided in the bathtub, a crazed clown buried bodies in the garage or, in this case, someone had two marijuana plants on the porch.

“Growing marijuana inside a dwelling may not necessarily cause physical damage to a property,” realtors are being told. “If there is no physical damage or if the damage has been fully remediated, and therefore free of any defect, the home’s history is still a potential cause for stigma if it is a concern for the buyer. Before listing a property, it’s important to discuss with the seller any issues with the property that may be relevant to the sale.”

Ontario’s Courts have determined that sellers don’t have to proactively disclose the history of their home during their ownership of it, even if the property carries a stigma. However, there’s nothing to stop a buyer from trying to sue the seller for failing to disclose the stigma. Even if the lawsuit is unlikely to succeed, the seller could still face a long, costly legal proceeding.

A buyer’s sales representative may also specifically ask whether the home has ever been used to grow marijuana. In this case, there are two options: you may either answer truthfully, or decline to answer the question and direct the buyer to conduct their own research. The choice of these options lies exclusively with the seller.

Even if you, as a sales representative, are not comfortable with the seller’s disclosure strategy you must respect and follow their direction. In this event, your options are to comply with the seller’s wishes, or, to decline to continue working with the seller and step away from the trade. Under no circumstances can you disclose a stigma without the seller’s consent.

So, if you’re mulling raising little weed babies in your house, think again. There could be a lawsuit in your future if you come to sell and don’t disclose this fact. But if you do, half of buyers might walk once they hear.

Meanwhile, what if you’re buying and don’t want a former grow-oppy place?

“You may try to include in your offer a seller’s warranty that the home was not used to grow marijuana,” is the professional advice. “Depending on the language of the contract provision, if the seller refuses to agree with the warranty, it may indicate that the property was used as a marijuana grow-op, or, it may simply mean that the seller doesn’t know what went on in the property before they bought it.”

Well, there you go. A non-judgmental, fair set of comments on how you’re now part of a grand social experiment the outcome of which is hopelessly unknown. Good luck.

216 comments ↓

#1 Smartalox on 10.17.18 at 2:17 pm

Buying a house that had been used as a grow-op is one concern, but buying a house that has been used to make, store, or retail other drugs (meth, opioids) is quite another.

Even if a buyer includes a clause asking if drugs were made or used in a home, not all drug-related history can be remediated as easily as ripping out mouldy drywall and re-painting.

I had a friend who moved into a house in New Westminster BC. Even more than 5 years into his ownership, while his wife and two young children were at home, there were drug-addled people frequently knocking on his door, looking for a fix. Yikes.

#2 Joe Schmoe on 10.17.18 at 2:22 pm

You don’t have kids Garth.

Those vermin are more hazardous to RE than anything.

After raising a couple, I can assure you the water damage that is cosmetically repaired is substantial.

Toilets and Tubs!

There is no stigma attached to children and no disclosure. Irrelevant. – Garth

#3 MHM on 10.17.18 at 2:25 pm

The blog post has come early today!!

#4 David on 10.17.18 at 2:26 pm

It’s all insane. T2 is ridiculous. Canadians are ridiculous for giving him a majority government. It would be funny if he wasn’t causing so much real damage on multiple fronts.

#5 RyYYZ on 10.17.18 at 2:28 pm

Passing on a house because somebody grew a few pot plants in it would be as silly as passing on it because it had house plants, or like my parents’ house, it had been used to start plants indoors before the growing season. How ignorant and/or over-reacting are people?

I was reading about the prices at Ontario’s online store. Too high, if they hope to put the black market out of business. A half-gram pre-roll was nearly $10, filled with weed that goes for that much per gram. WTF?

If governments think they’re going to maximize their take on this stuff by charging monopoly prices, they’re going to be sadly disappointed. If they can eliminate the black market for the stuff, THEN they might be able to take advantage of monopoly pricing, like they do for booze and ciggies (although our provincial gov’t does nothing about the vast quantities of untaxed smokes sold on the reserves).

#6 Marco on 10.17.18 at 2:37 pm

Let us pray for the first among us who is going be killed by marijuana impaired driver and let us thank God that we live in inaresting times…
And count dollars we made on aurora…

#7 Justin on 10.17.18 at 2:55 pm

Growing three plants is a big difference from converting a large-scale grow-up. I’ve got two pepper plants I brought in from the cold to let the fruit ripen. That doesn’t make my house a grow-op. The hope is legalization will help reduce illegal grow-ops.

#8 RyYYZ on 10.17.18 at 3:02 pm

#6 Marco on 10.17.18 at 2:37 pm
Let us pray for the first among us who is going be killed by marijuana impaired driver and let us thank God that we live in inaresting times…
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Of course, there have never been MJ impaired drivers on the roads before now, right? Actually, now that the rules have been clarified and the police given the tools necessary to test drivers for MJ impairment, the number of those impaired by MJ on the road might go down.

#9 Reefer Madness 1936 on 10.17.18 at 3:07 pm

Meh, giant nothing burger…. nobody is going to be growing mass amounts if they can buy it at a store….

Pets would have a lot bigger effect on price than a couple of plants to potential buyers.

Pets have zero impact on valuations and do not constitute stigma. – Garth

#10 James on 10.17.18 at 3:20 pm

CONDOS ARE NOW OFF LIMITS
Two weeks ago this blog outlined the ways some Big City condo corps are dealing with the fact Canadians have the right to turn into urban farmers and cultivate plants in their own units. Now that garden centres are reporting a run on hydroponic gear and online stores are shipping tons of grow tents, condo boards and landlords are scared. Smell, mold, fire hazard all come to mind when people contemplate weed enthusiasts turning their bathrooms and laundry closets into grow-ops.

Condo building managers as a result are busy passing bylaws prohibiting high-rise ranchers from planting their crops. They also want to deal with all that stinky smoke expected to waft under sills and through windows. Legal weed is prompting many of them to institute smoking bans in individual units. Others are adopting a ‘grandfather’ approach, making units smoke-free when existing owners sell. Hardest hit, of course, will be legions of amateur landlords, whose tenants will argue they have the legal right to toke at will and turn their shower into a ganja rain forest.
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I have relatives that have been there and done that one re the CONDO and POT smokers. Even cigarette smoke makes its way into your place. They lived in a very posh high end unit but to no avail the neighbours smoked pot like there was no tomorrow. They went to the condo board to complain and the board just gave them the meh look. Our relatives moved with a loss and live in a SFH now.
Marijuana devalues entire buildings now. Would you want to live next to under or above anyone with marijuana? No thanks. This stuff smells like $hit.

#11 Yyz2yvr on 10.17.18 at 3:22 pm

This comment section is littered with stoners talking smack about kids and dogs. DOGS!

#12 jojo on 10.17.18 at 3:25 pm

Our family had numerous rental condo buildings in the Maritimes and BC for years. (24 years on average). We bought the last great crash in real estate and held.

We always do..

3 things changed our ownership view

The real estate market was topping after a huge run. A good investor has a responsibility to make profit from their investments. Besides people were lining up to buy our properties when we put the word our to qualified investors which showed us that the timing was good.

An investor has a responsbility to de-risk. When that punk moron Crybaby T2 announced that he legalizing dope we knew what that meant for apartment buildings in general. That told us it was going to be Zombie time in Apartment ownership. Grow Ops would now be in every apartment complex.

Then Crybaby’s evil minion Morneau decided to assault small business owners, Doctors, and other professionals in a Marxist bloodfest nightmare. It was the final straw.

Then Trump did the unthinkable. He dropped corporate taxes by 20%%%%!!!

It was easy to move both our businesses and oursleves south to take advantage of this event.

Yeah, he’s a dick. Who cares he values wealth creators… That camp counsellor punk in Ottawa wants to wipe out wealth creators. His actions prove that.

In Canada, the attack on wealth has reaeched fever pitch.

So what happens? Besides us – Big Capital moves…..

Crybaby is single-handledly destroying your economy. Capital is flying out of Canada on every plane trip..

Any reasonable entrepreneur sees the US for what it is.

A safe haven….

I’d also liek to say that populism is not a threat if your believe in wealth creation.

Populism is sign that Socialism is finally being destroyed as a political movement.

The State as Nanny is coming to an end. But youc an bet the Socialists will nto go quietly into that dark night.

That is why we got out of the way. They will double their efforts to maintain power.

The assault on you and your family is just starting. Expect monstrous tax increases as the State fails.

You would be wise to get out of the way too…

#13 Remembrancer on 10.17.18 at 3:26 pm

Great topic with or without the weedy content. Nice to get back to more solid RE ground.

As a seller, a warranty on anything that you are not 100% able to swear on in a court-of-law with a complete history and no financial penalty is just plan dumb to accept no matter how sweet the offer. ie I’m crossing out “the seller warranties…”. In the same vein, if there’s a material issue, it doesn’t pay to try to hide it and hope due diligence isn’t done…

#14 jojo on 10.17.18 at 3:27 pm

One can expect a huge increase of dead stoned out motorcyle morons….

Noo a bad thing since they drive like dicks anyway…

#15 Legalization means less indoor grow ops not more on 10.17.18 at 3:32 pm

With legalization, you’ll be able to purchase, legally, all the pot you want, produced in standardized environments by professional agronomists, financed by companies that have poured money into perfecting their plant-breeding, growing and harvesting operations. All without the stigma of breaking the law. Nobody is going to want the skunkweed Leroy grew in his closet anymore.

So be thankful for legalization. There will be no need for little secret greenhouses in peoples’ basements anymore. The initial burst of interest in hydroponic equipment will quickly fade away as people realize they can’t grow anything half as good as what they can buy at the local distributer.

#16 Kevin Teixeira on 10.17.18 at 3:47 pm

Think your stats on Uruguay economically are off. Looked it up the other day when reading other articles on legalization, more than $20K per cap

Average household income: 47,569 pesos 2,072 USD – Garth

#17 Reefer Madness on 10.17.18 at 3:53 pm

Growing the legal limit of weed and calling it a grow op is like calling someone who bakes bread at home a bakery. This law has exactly no impact on someone’s decision to grow commercial amounts of weed in a home. It was illegal before and it continues to be illegal. Nothing changes.

#18 Pritzl on 10.17.18 at 3:56 pm

A bit harsh on Uruguay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay. Hardly 3rd world. Plus, what about Holland?

Look, I am not a fan of weed; I don’t even drink. But if smoking and alcohol, which have proven worse effects including apparently sexual assault for the latter, is legal, why should pot be illegal.

#19 Remembrancer on 10.17.18 at 3:56 pm

#12 jojo on 10.17.18 at 3:25 pm

Good for you! That’s shows ’em!

So you turned in any CDN passports on the way south then I take it to totally divest yourself of this terrible socialist gulag you got out of the way of?

#20 waiting on the westcoast on 10.17.18 at 3:59 pm

As you know (how could you not?) this week our Dominion joins mighty Uruguay, a Third World, barely industrialized country (pop 3 million, average annual family income $2,000 US), in legalizing weed. – Garth

Garth – that’s the monthly household income. Uruguay is far from a 3rd world country. It is considered the most egalitarian society in South America and has far less income disparity. GDP per capita is about 1/2 of Canada.

Having lived there for a year, I found that what was missing was conspicuous consumption. Most families have 1 car or 2 motorcycles, television, small rancher or apartment, cell phones, etc. High literacy, very open society, and spending time on weekends with friends and family rather than going to movies or shopping…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/uruguay/overview

#21 yvr_lurker on 10.17.18 at 4:09 pm

I would have preferred Chretien’s approach to this topic. De-criminalize it for sure, so that a simple possession does not follow you for years. But I would have put the legalization status in limbo for years. I do believe that with youth it can be a gateway drug to something more potent. I could care less whether some boomer is lighting up. I hope that this issue is no longer forefront in the news and media; it was T2’s huge agenda item. Can’t vote for him again. No way…

#22 waiting on the westcoast on 10.17.18 at 4:11 pm

I agree with your thesis on stigma but that is happening a fair amount today anyway…

One thing that will likely happen due to decriminalization is that small acreages in places like Langley (Lower Mainland) will drop in value as illegal growops shut down. After a long time neighbor sold 15 years ago, there have been 3 growops out of 4 owners since.

#23 joblo on 10.17.18 at 4:13 pm

“whose tenants will argue they have the legal right to toke at will and turn their shower into a ganja rain forest.”

Finally a purpose for 24 Sussex drive, Ottawa.

#24 n1tro on 10.17.18 at 4:25 pm

Shilling and defrauding works at all ages. The story of Theranos

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-last-days-of-theranos-the-financials-were-as-overhyped-as-the-blood-tests-2018-10-16?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Some notable tidbits…

CEO Elizabeth Holmes started the company after quitting Stanford at the ripe old age of 19. Because, you know, kids know everything at that age.

CFO Balwani who was making the rosy projections based on a product that didn’t exist turned out to be Holmes’ boyfriend. Is this a case of #metoo?!

Can’t make this stuff up. :D

#25 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 10.17.18 at 4:30 pm

We are not criminals anymore and our new Dealer is the Prime Minister…….

#26 Lawnboy on 10.17.18 at 4:37 pm

The early eighties Waterbed Fad had a similar response from the Landlords….not in my rental!!! Too heavy!!!

Bla bla bla Never ever herd tell of a house coming down.

Lb

#27 jess on 10.17.18 at 4:38 pm

subject to:
buyers can do indoor air tests e.g. radon etc.

#28 Graeme on 10.17.18 at 4:39 pm

Spoken like a true authoritarian who likely enjoys his beer…a lot.

If you are a “cultural creative,” making top dollars, you smoke dope. If weed helps you overcome arthritic pain, you smoke. If you want to forgo alcohol but still get a bit of a buzz at a social gathering, you smoke…just a bit…because a bit of weed does not constitute a danger on the road, whereas a single drink can.

Behavior won’t change. Legalizing weed allows it to be taxed and bring it out of the shadows. It also paves the way for the research community to do even more studies on entheogens and their potential use in end of life care.

Loosen up and join the party, Garth. It’s been going on all around you for fifty years and is responsible for major improvements in society that aren’t on your radar.

People with weak arguments attack other people. – Garth

#29 Chaddywack on 10.17.18 at 4:40 pm

Saw some pictures from the lineups around Canada. Pretty much what I expected. Despite many marijuana advocates saying that a lot of doctors, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, etc. smoke weed all the time it’s not what the pictures showed.

Mostly men, unkempt beards, ratty clothes. Funny how they all seem to be available during working hours to get their fix. I don’t know what the hell T2 was thinking, but I think T2 is hoping everyone will be so stoned next election that they’ll vote for him.

The sad thing is you can never change it back once it’s legalized.

Now the question will be will this post be DELETED due to my anti-beard comments? :)

#30 NotLegalAdvice on 10.17.18 at 4:49 pm

You can sue anyone for anything, anytime.

If your claim is thrown out for being frivolous, vexatious, or in bad faith, be ready to pay legal fees for both parties involved.

Did you hear they want to give a Pardon to those that were previously convicted of MJ related charges? – T2 back at it again!

#31 TK on 10.17.18 at 4:51 pm

People in the bigger markets will buy any property without any conditions. So a place that has a history of growing weed won’t matter, even if the general public says so. Also, who lists what activities are done within their home? Most people won’t know a few plants were cultivated unless its blatantly obvious. Next, people grow all sorts of plants in their homes already. And a lot of people have fish aquariums. There’s not a widespread problem of water leakage, mold, or other issues with that. I’d like to see how many people try to grow MJ long term, too. Most people are probably curious to try growing since it’ll be a fad, but it’ll be much easier and quicker to buy from a shop. Not everyone is a pro and a lot of plants die or provide lame results if not under the best conditions. Also, a “ton” of people smoking indoors is not a huge issue in my opinion. Yeah it can smell for a little while but it definitely does not linger. Unlike cigarette smoke, it does not stain the walls. Within a few hours the smell is completely gone. The ceiling might darken with time but same with burning candles. Just splatter a new coat of paint and boom its new. And I highly doubt the majority of people are constantly lighting up for a smell to linger at all hours. That’s my rant. I think this is all blown out of proportion with the hysteria of weed and what it might do to homes.

#32 waiting on the westcoast on 10.17.18 at 5:00 pm

Average household income: 47,569 pesos 2,072 USD – Garth

Garth – google is quoting guru’guay blog for your stat but it is the monthly stat… May 2014…

https://www.guruguay.com/what-is-the-average-income-in-uruguay/

You may be correct but I just found this: Uruguay’s Annual Household Income per Capita reached 10,144.30 USD in Dec 2017, compared with the previous value of 8,733.84 USD in Dec 2016. Third World. – Garth

#33 Ubul on 10.17.18 at 5:01 pm

Growing it in your TSX index portfolio is all good. No stigma there, no health risk. SFH backyard is also kosher. Maybe you can even pass the US border.

#34 ER on 10.17.18 at 5:01 pm

Uh oh, Garth you have stirred up the pro potheads. It may be time to invest in a study of the hazards of posting a comment while stoned.

#35 Uruguay Rocks on 10.17.18 at 5:14 pm

#20 waiting on the westcoast – Totally agree.

Go to Punta Del Este and you will think its anything but third world. Its the Monaco of South America. They have everything we have and a better lifestyle to go with it. Would go back in a heartbeat.
People who consider going to Costco as travelling may think otherwise.

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#37 Alberta Ed on 10.17.18 at 5:21 pm

Primo Minister Weed must be proud.

#38 oh really? on 10.17.18 at 5:28 pm

the Millenials in 400sqft condos are all building grow ups now?

sounds like sensationalism to me…

people who are going to grow at home are likely Gen Xers who live with patches of grass in the back (pun intended)… suburban/exurban/rural folks

#39 Freebird on 10.17.18 at 5:29 pm

Not stoned, or pot head and fairly sure my knuckles dont drag…Here’s two studies/reports on effects of legalizing marijuana in both Portugal (2001)” …measure was not found to result in an increase in cannabis use by young people or any further attendant problems for law enforcement, according to a report by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction.” http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/642/PolicyProfile_Portugal_WEB_Final_289201.pdf

And in US:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/marijuana-legalization-public-health-colorado-traffic-fatalities-2016-11

Time will tell as new studies are done over longer periods and now incl Cda.

#40 Uruguains Unite! on 10.17.18 at 5:31 pm

Uruguay is definitely not 3rd world…. it’s a pretty cool place actually.

#41 Barb on 10.17.18 at 5:35 pm

Daughter just added this Addendum to the existing Rental Agreements for her rental properties:

“This Addendum will address the Province’s legalization of cannabis possession, use and growing, and immediately forms part of—and is added to—the existing Rental Agreement between the tenants and landowners at the rental property.
The current and existing rules of no smoking inside the rental unit immediately extend to include the smoking, vaping, and/or growing of any and all cannabis products.
At the discretion of the Landowner(s), the violation of any term of this Addendum and Rental Agreement is justification for the immediate cancellation of tenancy, upon issuance of an End of Tenancy notice by the Landowner(s) to any of the present Tenant(s), with no recourse.

Agreed and signed by Landowner(s):
Agreed and signed by Tenant(s):
Date of signature(s): ”

She’s delivering the Addendum to the Tenant(s) today.

#42 Howard on 10.17.18 at 5:37 pm

Uruguay is the most educated country in Latin America with the highest standard of living south of the US/Mexico border. Considering income relative to cost of living it’s almost certainly more prosperous than so-called First World countries like Greece.

Isn’t weed also legal in the Netherlands and Portugal?

#43 Captain Balraj on 10.17.18 at 5:37 pm

Montevideo is a beautiful city Garth. How dare you call it third class?!

Where did I say that? Sheesh. – Garth

#44 West is the Best on 10.17.18 at 5:52 pm

These refer madness posts are boring. Clearly uninformed, sky is falling mentality. You will see how this is a non-issue in the years to come.

#45 RyYYZ on 10.17.18 at 5:53 pm

#29 Chaddywack on 10.17.18 at 4:40 pm
Saw some pictures from the lineups around Canada. Pretty much what I expected. Despite many marijuana advocates saying that a lot of doctors, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, etc. smoke weed all the time it’s not what the pictures showed.

Mostly men, unkempt beards, ratty clothes.
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Try to think this through. Do you think the kind of people you mention (or myself, for that matter) have the time to hang around in lineups for MJ store openings? Hell, I couldn’t even be bothered to stay up until midnight to usher in the new era.

#46 SoggyShorts on 10.17.18 at 6:03 pm

#28 Graeme on 10.17.18 at 4:39 pm
If you want to forgo alcohol but still get a bit of a buzz at a social gathering, you smoke…just a bit…because a bit of weed does not constitute a danger on the road, whereas a single drink can.
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Source?
I’m not saying that either one is a good idea, but a single beer always has the same alcohol content, as does a 1oz highball or a glass of wine…I’m not sure that weed is as consistent.
Hopefully, the legalization will help with consistency, but if someone shares, then you never know what you are getting. There are strains which are 20x as strong as others. Imagine thinking you are chugging a beer but instead you down 12 oz of moonshine instead.

#47 Capt. Serious on 10.17.18 at 6:03 pm

So, I guess environmental testing is going to become part of home inspections. I wouldn’t buy a house without making sure there are no water damage nor mold issues. Sure, always a potential issue, but now more likely to be the case due to home users. Great.

#48 O Cannabis! on 10.17.18 at 6:03 pm

Hey, dudes, is it 4:20 yet?

I’ve lost all track of time today…..just chillin…….

#49 Bob Dog on 10.17.18 at 6:03 pm

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#50 Guy in Calgary on 10.17.18 at 6:05 pm

#6 Marco on 10.17.18 at 2:37 pm
Let us pray for the first among us who is going be killed by marijuana impaired driver
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What suggests that the frequency of this would change after legalization? If anything, the amount of available information on the pitfalls of pot will increase and be more easily accessible.

Everyone knows not to drink and drive. There are commercials on television, the radio and billboards yet, people do.

#51 Guy in Calgary on 10.17.18 at 6:10 pm

29 Chaddywack on 10.17.18 at 4:40 pm
Saw some pictures from the lineups around Canada. Pretty much what I expected. Despite many marijuana advocates saying that a lot of doctors, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, etc. smoke weed all the time it’s not what the pictures showed.
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You know you can buy it online right? You know people work during the day right?

There is still a stigma an ordering online keeps it more under wraps.

#52 Stan Brooks on 10.17.18 at 6:10 pm

Allowing legal use of MJ in places like condos that share facilities like ventilation system is a crime by law.

MJ has proven adverse side effects to the brain (with the clearest manifestation of that being the IQ of T2):

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain

Imagine having your kids or small babies in a condo that blows MJ smoke out of the vent or through the hallways.

This is not alcohol where you can not get drunk by having a drunk neighbour.

Imagine also all these cases with people driving after heavy smoking of pot, that is not detectable by a test, i.e. they are not liable by law as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_drug_testing


Unlike alcohol, for which impairment can be reasonably measured using a breathalyser (and confirmed with a blood alcohol content measurement), valid detection for cannabis is time-consuming, and tests cannot determine an approximate degree of impairment. The lack of suitable tests and agreed-upon intoxication levels is an issue in the legality of cannabis debate, especially regarding intoxicated driving.

The legalization of MJ is a stupidity of a biblical proportion in an already economically run down place.
I have to admit that this is more that any schadenfreude could call for.

With news like this one I have to kick or slap myself to make sure I am not daydreaming.
So glad I left on time this s..th.le.

#53 akashic record on 10.17.18 at 6:17 pm

The whole anxiety could have been avoided if – and now “we will refrain from passing any judgment whatsoever on the idiotic, colonialist idea” – that criminalized, stigmatized a plant globally, in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. world countries.

#54 Trojan House on 10.17.18 at 6:18 pm

Pets have zero impact on valuations and do not constitute stigma. – Garth

No, not in the legal sense of having to disclose you had a pet. However, it is a stigma in the sense of a buyer walking into a house that had 10 cats and smells full of cat pee. Very disgusting. Or where dog crap is all over the floors. Been there and smelt and seen it. I was in and out in less than a second.

#55 Mattl on 10.17.18 at 6:18 pm

With all due respect you really do not understand the relationship between legalization and RE. This change is the BEST thing that has ever happened to RE – it has essentially put the large scale home grower out of business. The days of thousands of homes in the lower mainland being lit up and destroyed are over. There is zero market for home grown pot, zero.

Yes some hobbyists will light up tents but economically it makes no sense to grow weed unless you consume a ridiculous amount. Those folks – the super consumers- have been growing at home in tents for years.

As far as condo smoke goes, any condo that allows smoking inside today….gross. Is that really a thing? If my neighbor is hacking butts 24/7 next store least of my worries is him blasting the odd joint. Living in low rent condo’s is a horror show to begin with – well run places are going to have no new issues.

#56 Les on 10.17.18 at 6:19 pm

Just wait until the insurance industry weighs in

They will not want to insure where there is risk of claims due to grow ops failing inside a residence

#57 Wrong! Wrong! on 10.17.18 at 6:20 pm

I’m sorry Garth but it’s obvious science and engineering were not your strong suit in school.

The amount of humidity generated from 4 household weed plants (this is the legal limit) is no greater than the humidity generated from 4 household plants of similar size.

Remember the humidity houseplants give off is due to the water you give them. When you give yourself a hot 30 minutes shower in the evening you are probably generating a months worth of humidity that would come 4 very large weed plants. You have a family of 4 who shower every day….that is massive amount humidity but few homes have mold issues. So relax with the dramatizations.

Those illegal grow-ops that caused all the problems for houses had 100s of plants inside, leaving almost no room for anyone to actually live there. The humid conditions were exacerbated by the fact the criminals had to keep all the windows and doors shut tight and blocked from sunlight to limit odors escaping. These grow-ops are still illegal so a condo or landlord only needs to call the cops and problem solved.

Why do you promote such a false narrative?

#58 My 2 cents on 10.17.18 at 6:20 pm

This is for TK.
The majority of Canadians do not smoke. Like 82%.
As a non smoker this thought process of ‘the smell goes away’ is not true. It stinks. It’s in your clothes, hair, everywhere. You can’t smell it because you smoke it. Just like a regular smoker they can’t tell if a car/house/apartment has been smoked in. Their noses are immune to the stench.
Fun times in apartments, condos coming up.

The Canadian Community Health Survey, released Wednesday, found 17.7 per cent of Canadians aged 12 and older smoked either daily or occasionally in 2015

#59 NOSTRADAMUS on 10.17.18 at 6:22 pm

SEVERE CHEST PAINS !
As I have previously stated, they will continue to gradually tighten until the debt-driven, debt-saturated Canadian economy goes into sudden cardiac arrest. Housing is already experiencing severe chest pains. And the auto industry has developed a case of the cold sweats accompanied by an unusual tingling sensation in the extremities. Perhaps the downturn in vehicle sales is cause for concern. Caution, if you are venturing into the service area for routine maintenance you are about to be gassed with a long list of essential life saving repairs. Better safe than sorry is their motto. News flash, the service manager is not your best friend, there is no such thing as delay and pray in his vocabulary, he is a commissioned sales person, just like the well dressed, friendly salespeople in the show room. The ones, with their million dollar smiles and hearts of gold. You can trust me as the teller of truth in the land of gypsies, tramps and thieves.

#60 Stan Brooks on 10.17.18 at 6:23 pm

#42 Howard on 10.17.18 at 5:37 pm
Uruguay is the most educated country in Latin America with the highest standard of living south of the US/Mexico border. Considering income relative to cost of living it’s almost certainly more prosperous than so-called First World countries like Greece.

Oh, that Canadian knowledge of countries and places…

Chile has the best standard of living in Latin America. Uruguay is close.

An average Greek or Italian lives much better live than the average Canadian and people actually there can afford to retire. Much better healthcare. Greece is considered a developing country.

#61 Adam on 10.17.18 at 6:29 pm

I wonder will I have to put “homebrewer” on my PDCS when I sell? The time when a previous illegal substance becomes legal, as we have seen and will continue to see, is very tricky. But just because there are longstanding biases doesn’t mean (or doesn’t NOT mean) that legalizing is bad.

If you can’t recognize that half (at least) of what is written in this blog post are just longstanding biases simply because pot was illegal (why was it illegal by the way? Alcohol was illegal too for a while, but because it was so long ago nobody seems bothered by the fact that this reality altering substance, with all it’s negative societal and health effects – similar to mairjuana, no? – is legal), then you’re an idiot.

#62 Hawk on 10.17.18 at 6:33 pm

I have been to Uruguay (Colonia & Montevideo). I’d say it’s “second world” overall in terms of economy, technology and living standard………..nice country though.

#63 AGuyInVancouver on 10.17.18 at 6:35 pm

#12 jojo on 10.17.18 at 3:25 pm
Our family had numerous rental condo buildings in the Maritimes and BC for years. (24 years on average). We bought the last great crash in real estate and held..blahblahblah…It was easy to move both our businesses and oursleves south to take advantage of this event.

Yeah, he’s a dick. Who cares he values wealth creators… That camp counsellor punk in Ottawa wants to wipe out wealth creators. His actions prove that.

In Canada, the attack on wealth has reaeched fever pitch.

So what happens? Besides us – Big Capital moves…..

Crybaby is single-handledly destroying your economy. Capital is flying out of Canada on every plane trip..
_ _ _
Then why not keep your online presence confined to US online forums. And I hope you renounced your Canadian citizenship to make it harder for you to come crawling back and claim free medical care when the gun-toting crazies in the Excited States get too much for even you.

#64 MF on 10.17.18 at 6:37 pm

My condo board has been sending emails and making postings near elevators for a few months in preparation for this stupid move.

No smoking on the premise whatsoever.

Good.

And if I do smell and of it wafting into my unit I will complain. No fluffs given.

PS no I would not buy a former grow up house with destroyed wiring either. Damaged goods and huge stigma.

MF

#65 crdt on 10.17.18 at 6:38 pm

I know a guy who prides himself on never partaking in the forbidden plant, he also has a hard time in social situations, really paranoid thinking everyone is watching him. Truth is, the stigma is here to stay for those riding that high horse, sensationalizing its impact to buttress their non-experiential opinions. The choice is to continue to criminalize something akin to alcohol pushing prices into the extreme zone where the risk is richly rewarded, or to do what happened today, and provide a non-criminal avenue with a properly regulated product. All the stern looks and judgments will not prevent its use as seen for decades. To our gracious host, I propose hopping off the stallion, walking with the minions, the ordinary people, the unwashed stoned masses, and break bread with us, enjoy an alternative to alcohol and not be too proud to be truly Canadian.

#66 akashic record on 10.17.18 at 6:38 pm

#35 Uruguay Rocks on 10.17.18 at 5:14 pm
#20 waiting on the westcoast – Totally agree.

Go to Punta Del Este and you will think its anything but third world. Its the Monaco of South America. They have everything we have and a better lifestyle to go with it. Would go back in a heartbeat.
People who consider going to Costco as travelling may think otherwise.

Thanks for the tip. Just checked out Punta Del Este, it looks nice.

Too bad, all the higher end hotels are fully booked now around the December 20-31 range, that I was interested in.

#67 Newcomer on 10.17.18 at 6:42 pm

It’s hard to see why a court would find a legal activity to be stigmatizing. I can’t see making or drinking beer being found stigmatizing, so I can’t see why making or smoking pot would be found stigmatizing. I don’t do either anymore, but I can’t understand why anyone would make a distinction between the two. As of today, I don’t imagine the courts will either.

#68 S.Bby on 10.17.18 at 6:54 pm

My elderly neighbour sold her house two years ago to a property speculator who rented it out to some shady guys who set up a major grow op in the basement. This lasted about eight months until they got caught by the owner but they had already just harvested their crop. One Friday evening they moved out all their equipment (fans, lights, etc.) into the backyard and loaded it into a pickup truck and drove off never to be seen again. Now the owner-speculator has a house that he overpaid for by at least $250,000 plus he has to fix up all the damage and try to either sell it or rent it again. The neighbors all knew it was grow op but no one had the owners contact info and the cops and the city wouldn’t do anything.

#69 NorthOf49 on 10.17.18 at 6:55 pm

Living in Hamilton in the 80’s, I saw firsthand the destruction that illegal grow-ops did to friends’ and relatives’ rental properties. If legalizing it prevents or reduces that kind of damage to a city’s housing stock, then I’m all for it. At the end of the day, legalized weed is a nothing-burger, regardless of how much the doom & gloom crowd bellyaches on about it.

#70 Blacksheep on 10.17.18 at 6:59 pm

Weed Doom!

Garth, you have awesome instight, on a multitude of topics, unfortunately this is not one of them.

I’m not getting into it beyond my belief that the only persons that my have a problem, is those living in a non detached residence, that may be subjected to unpleasant second hand smoke that smells like a small noir animal with a white SS stripe down its back.

#71 Newguy on 10.17.18 at 7:00 pm

Pot is the ultimate political drug. It makes you apathetic.

I’m not surprised at all that the government was so interested in legalizing it

#72 Debtslavecreator on 10.17.18 at 7:02 pm

TrueDope is smart on this file. See, in 2019, our Canadstan is going to: 1) slide into the worst RE market correction in its history with a slide into a historic recession, 2) with deficits set to explode and unemployment rising sharply the need for higher tax revenue is going to be met partially by the sale of MJ and of course the fewer Canucks working their ass off to pay rising taxes and deficits while saving a few dollars in increasingly worthless loonies will be so depressed they seek tokes to help deal with the ugly situation this crooked liberal and left has created
Legalizing marijuana will allow Canadians to cope with the ugly situation this nation faces over the next 5-10 years while generating more tax dollars for a broke government
On this file T2 is correct !

#73 OttawaMike on 10.17.18 at 7:07 pm

Weed is difficult to grow properly. How many drinkers actually bother to brew beer or wine at home?
A small number of the total of the 75% of us who drink.
Weed will be the same. Very few will bother of the 25% of the population who will use.

You are confusing illegal grow ops with some stoner that has 2 plants but it makes for a juicy lede.

#74 bdwy sktrn on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

#46 MF on 10.17.18 at 6:37 pm

……. no I would not buy a former grow up house with destroyed wiring either. Damaged goods and huge stigma.
MF
———————-
it’s perfectly clear to everyone here that you will not buy any house, growop or not.
how can you buy a house with no money?
—————————-

HAPPY WEED DAY EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#75 BlogDog123 on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

stigma spectrum least to most (when do you need to report it to potential buyers)??

– previous owners used to yell at each other
– stinky cooking
– hoarder (a little cluttered)
– a few marijuana plants
– old guy died, drank too much
– hoarder (as seen on A&E)
– biker gang member house
– grow op
– young guy killed himself with pills
– brothel
– serial killer lived there before killing
– someone killed himself with weapon
– serial killer killed in that house

??

#76 Dirty debtor on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

Garth,

I’m not fully on board with the legalization of weed, but have to give you a hard time for your description of Uruguay. I’ve travelled extensively around Latin America, and Uruguay stands out as one of the loveliest countries in Latin America. Not only is it beautiful, but it’s safe, clean, has good government, developed infrastructure. It’s a lovely place, encourage you to visit.

#77 Ex Pat Canuck on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

I neither drink nor smoke weed or ciggies…but according to Mr. Turner, given that alcohol/tobacco are legal, the government is encouraging widespread health damage already due to having legalized tobacco and alcohol. Or am I reading too much into his anti pot rhetoric? People’s gonna have vices whether legal or illegal. Just stating a basic fact. Oh, and out here in Oregon where we’ve had legal weed for a number of years now, life has gone on pretty much the same as it was during marijuana prohibition. Except that the taxes collected go back into government services. It’s not perfect, the best solution for a healthy population is for no one to drink or do drugs. But you gotta work with reality, and ending prohibition is a decent step to take. Except the cartels hate it, it’s definitely not fair to them.

#78 };-) aka Devil's Advocate on 10.17.18 at 7:12 pm

Not gonna happen.

Pot is so cheap, and now legal, why ever would anyone go through the trouble of cultivating a couple stinky plants in their home when they can run down to the local dispensary and buy a variety of product. It’s going to be like wine but cheaper and no hang over.

#79 Jimers on 10.17.18 at 7:15 pm

If a house has a ‘grow room’, is that a plus or minus in determining the home’s price?

#80 Nonplused on 10.17.18 at 7:16 pm

People smoke in apartments now, both weed and tobacco.

A lot of people are under the impression that legalizing weed is going to dramatically increase use. It may, but I am unconvinced. Nobody I know who doesn’t use pot already is planning on taking it up once legal. And it isn’t that hard to get now. Sure, you have to deal with some unsavory people but they’ll still be around. I don’t know what they will do for a living now, maybe go back to selling stolen electronics from a white van, but they’ll still be around.

My wife has some plants in our house, in particular 2 trees that are about the size of a pot plant. They don’t seem to be causing any damage. Mind you it’s no grow-op. I looked at a house that was a grow-op once and what a disaster. All of the drywall and insulation had to be replace, the floors probably too, the flooring had all been ripped out. Total disaster. May as well just tear it down to the concrete. But I don’t know if a few “potted” plants could do that.

Anyway, I think this will be big nothing burger. People don’t grow tobacco in their homes and that’s pretty expensive too. Big tobacco is likely to get right on this and growing pot is no more difficult or expensive than growing tobacco, so within a few years it won’t be worth it to grow it at home. And my guess it the THC will be available in vape almost immediately, so apartment dwellers will have a smoke free option as they do with nicotine. Heck we might even see “Nicorette” type minty sprays.

People driving while impaired is a concern, but it already is so unless usage goes up we are already dealing with that. I don’t know if they can make a “Breathalyzer” for THC but maybe. I understand it’s more complicated to test for than alcohol, so there are some issues there for sure.

IMHO, the opioid epidemic is a far greater concern. Who knows, maybe legalizing pot will cause the number of opioid overdoses to drop? I’ve never heard of anyone overdosing on pot. And most of the opioids are being manufacture legally by legitimate drug companies even if the usage as recreational drugs is not legal. 49,000 people put themselves to sleep for good in the US last year with opioids (out of 72,000 total drug related deaths). This compares to 40,000 who died in car accidents, 38,000 gun related deaths including suicides, 0 for commercial air travel, and I can’t find the number for terrorism in 2017 in the US but the average since 1975 is 74 per year and that includes 9/11 so I think we can safely say it’s close to zero. Canada’s stats are similar pro-rata.

People are always focusing on the non-problem. Maybe because real problems tend to be hard to comprehend and lack readily apparent solutions.

#81 hmmj on 10.17.18 at 7:17 pm

RESP all stacked up….may scale some profit

thank you weed

#82 Musty Basement Dweller on 10.17.18 at 7:25 pm

Grew up in the 70s many of my friends became regular pot users. Sorry to say that pretty much every single one of them is either burnt out or lazy or both now. Definitely respiratory issues and two of them had lung cancer. Maybe just a coincidence. Yes alcohol is bad too, but why make things worse. Oh well at least Justin got this one done. Probably because he got the task oriented excop to lead it. (Not one of the many pot heads in his Ottawa crowd)

#83 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.17.18 at 7:28 pm

@#54 Stan the Man
“An average Greek or Italian lives much better live than the average Canadian and people actually there can afford to retire.”
+++

“Lives much better” is somewhat unquantifiable.
Happier?, Richer? Healthier?

Newfies get the most sex in Canada….are they happier? Are their lives better? Are they richer? Only a Ft Mac expat knows fer sure Bye.

“and people can afford to retire”…… well since Greeks can “officially” retire at 50 for women and 57 for men ( and THAT possibly….is probably why their economy is broke?)…..the reality is much different.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/218552/article/ekathimerini/community/they-stole-my-money-greek-dreams-of-retirement-turn-sour

As for Italy…..the EU jury is still out……But if the Brits get an “easy deal” on Brexit…..look out because the wackos in charge in Italy will want the same……

#84 MF on 10.17.18 at 7:36 pm

79 hmmj on 10.17.18 at 7:17 pm
RESP all stacked up….may scale some profit

thank you weed

-Bitcoinairre is that you? Your brother maybe?

BTC to 100,000.00 and HMMJ to the moon!

MF

#85 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.17.18 at 7:39 pm

@#48 Oh Cannibal
“Hey, dudes, is it 4:20 yet?”
+++++

Dude, you missed it!
4:20 was like hours ago dude!
Dude, were you sleeping?
Chillin ?
Dude, it’s like Saturday now dude! Where you been dude? I’m hungry dude.
How about we chill at Pancake house dude.
The food’s cheap and Fills you dude!
Dude, I’m like’n my own idea …..’I’m in dude.
Pancake House it is dude.
Dont be late dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-go0oBF4Y

The verbal diarrhea of stoners …..
God help us all……

#86 For those about to flop... on 10.17.18 at 7:39 pm

Pink Pumpkins being carved in Vancouver.

These guys are back for another crack at the title.

They paid 2.6 in April 2017 and had it back on for 2.79 in September 2017.

A year later they are still at it and it’s back on today at 2.38, and so after expenses they are looking at a half a million dollar loss.

WULLY wants me to meet up at Collingwood and 41st, at Starbucks to have a coffee.

Gonna have to take some extra cash to give these guys as they could be panhandling outside to soften the blow.

If they find out I’m Flop I’m done for.

Got wood…

M44BC

4855 Collingwood st,Vancouver

Now asking 2.38

Paid 2.6 April 2017 was asking 2.79 then 2.69 then 2.59

4855 Collingwood Street, Vancouver

Sep 25:$2,798,000
Feb 9: $2,698,000
Change: – 100000.00 -4%

https://www.zolo.ca/vancouver-real-estate/4855-collingwood-street

https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/QTAwMDAwMEc4TQ==

#87 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.17.18 at 7:45 pm

I live in a condo. It will be interesting to see who is growing what on their balconies and window sills. Quite a few currently grow flowers, tomatoes, herbs, etc just for fun. Anyone with a back yard garden or flower bed or even a basement can now grow legally. Like micro brewing beer or wine. Some will no doubt turn it into a small business / revenue stream……driving under the influence will be interesting, how will they catch impaired motorists ? Or airline pilots or school bus drivers or taxi drivers ? Or teachers or babysitters or daycare operators? Just wondering…….

#88 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.17.18 at 7:51 pm

@#73 Broadway Skytrain
“how can you buy a house with no money?”
++++

I’m sure Surrey Realtor can help you out……..

#89 MF on 10.17.18 at 7:55 pm

#29 Chaddywack on 10.17.18 at 4:40 pm

“Saw some pictures from the lineups around Canada. Pretty much what I expected. Despite many marijuana advocates saying that a lot of doctors, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, etc. smoke weed all the time it’s not what the pictures showed.”

-Yeah they always use that logic. It’s the ultimate COPE.

B.b.but..m.m.my…accountant smokes weed so its s.s.s.safe for everyone.

I’ve been attacked a few times on here by some pot heads who do the usual COPE by trying to deflect from their drug addiction by proclaiming how much money they have.

It’s pretty sad. A morbid equation of health and money, which when coming from anyone over the age of 25, signifies a lack of maturity and persistent adolescent mindset.

It’s known that MJ hinders brain development, so its really not unexpected that this behaviour would be demonstrated from this group of individuals.

MF

#90 Slim on 10.17.18 at 7:59 pm

“Isn’t weed also legal in the Netherlands and Portugal?”

No.

#91 MF on 10.17.18 at 8:02 pm

#31 TK on 10.17.18 at 4:51 pm

No. They won’t.

The reason for this justified stigma is simple. Grow ops were illegal 1 and severely damaged the house 2.

1) the illegal nature of the activity meant the location was frequented by criminals a lot. Some ill thought out decriminalization won’t change the fact that this demographic is NOT the one you want anything to do with. What’s to stop some criminal who didn’t get the memo that you bought the place and are living there from breaking in to your home?

2) The grow up operation requires tons of electricity for lights/heating and whatever else. No question your new “dream home” has been obliterated from the inside out and will require big maintenance later down the road (or now).

It’s simple.

MF

#92 Ustabe on 10.17.18 at 8:03 pm

Not too impressed with the intellectual speciousness of today’s conversation. Probably not even a passing grade in Social Policy 101.

Ignore the rousing success in Colorado. Ignore Washington, Oregon and the de facto open market in California that has been going on for decades.

Ignore the little girl whose seizures now are under control, ignore the grandma who now can actually consume food while undergoing her cancer treatment.

Ignore the indisputable fact that Nixon and Erlichman deliberately placed marijuana as a Schedule One drug to harass black and brown peoples. https://imgur.com/gallery/Gt4Cwsy

When you chose to ignore one entire side of the situation, only to repeat the same old miss-truths and tired tropes, you display ignorance.

I’m not a weed user, I prefer alcohol and chemical drugs (not at the same time), but I am 71 and have university friends who did penitentiary time for a couple of joints back in the 70’s while today we allow citizens choice. I also recall Stephan Harper’s omnibus crime bills which would imprison someone longer for selling a bit of weed over some magical limit than a child rapist.

Which tells me all I need to know about today’s conservative thought processes. BTW, I’m a life long Progressive Conservative voter/volunteer….until McKay sold out.

#93 For those about to flop... on 10.17.18 at 8:04 pm

Race to 850k

Already featured these guys in a Race to 900k post but these guys decided it was necessary to take the next step down.

Less than 10 days ago they listed for 948k and they just lopped another 70k off.

New ask 878k

The assessment comes in at 1.26

So 30% less than assessed right at the bottom rung of the market.

Old time purchases are seeing paper equity burn each week and are being ruthless as they don’t see it being any brighter next year.

They are slitting the throats of of speculators of the past few years.

Every Man for themselves.

To all the people that said this could never happen.

Are you watching,are you watching…

M44BC

https://www.zolo.ca/vancouver-real-estate/3280-east-georgia-street

#94 Damifino on 10.17.18 at 8:05 pm

One wonders…

If you buy a home knowing full there’d been a few plants grown inside, but you saw no stigma, would you be held liable for not disclosing what was done with the residence even before you owned it? I’m thinking yes. Thus, once stigmatized, always stigmatized.

One wonders…

Did Uruguay have to implement myriad conflicting regulations across multiple zones or did they just one day say, everyone may now just go for it.
———————————

I once rented a basement suite from an Italian fellow who like to also make his own wine in the unfinished part of the basement. The sickening smell of the fermenting grapes invaded my suite and I complained.

He thought I was nuts. “It’s only grapes” said he. He couldn’t see why I might have a problem with that. He also made sure I understood he had every right to do so.

There’s a morale in there somewhere but I’m not sure exactly what it is.

#95 Deano on 10.17.18 at 8:07 pm

I lived in the Netherlands…weed was basically legal, cafes all over. The sky didn’t fall, the kids weren’t any more high than Canada and definitely drank less than the Aussie kids I used to teach. It was evident, but contained. In time it will mature here and won’t be a big thing. Just relax Garth, I know your reflex is to crucify Trudeau-lite and I’m no real fan either, but this is not as big as some of us feel that it is.

#96 Terry on 10.17.18 at 8:18 pm

“As you know (how could you not?) this week our Dominion joins mighty Uruguay, a Third World, barely industrialized country (pop 3 million, average annual family income $10,000 US), in legalizing weed.”

A very sad day for Canada……………..I’m ashamed to be a part of it…………..what a disgrace this country is becoming.

#97 Sold Out on 10.17.18 at 8:20 pm

Well… here I thought I would find a group of wordly-wise, iron-jawed, brawny-pecced, Harley riding libertarians. Instead, it seems I’ve been redirected to the Christian Science Monitor comments section. Courage Camille, a little legal ganja won’t be the death of us.

#98 Rainman on 10.17.18 at 8:33 pm

How is the fact that Uruguay is third world relevant at all. If it even is? I’m sure many Uruguayans would find this offensive? Maybe they are just progressive…

#99 Dan on 10.17.18 at 8:46 pm

Hey Garth. Just catching up on your typically outstanding articles but please, do many of us a huge favor… no more Trump bashing, alright? We get enough of that crap already from the out of touch Hollywood elitists and the left leaning mainstream news mob.. Otherwise love you Garth. :)

Who? I didn’t mention any Trump guy. – Garth

#100 DON on 10.17.18 at 8:54 pm

Enough is enough! Pots head everywhere!

On my way home I decided to venture thru the park next to an assistive living retirement dwelling.

I’ll never make that mistake again…never!

While walking I was swarmed by a bunch of pot heads. They blew smoke in my face and taunted me. And to add insult to injury they stole all my snacks and junk food and left me clutching a half empty bag of Doritos. It took me a while to stop rocking back and forth and move on my way battered and broken

Wow…just wow…I under estimated how strong old people can be.

#101 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.17.18 at 8:54 pm

Stoned construction workers working on your new house or high rise condo ? …….plumbers, electricians, carpenters, ……stoned factory workers building your new car ?……..stoned daycare workers looking after your kids ? …weekly or monthly, urine samples ? It gets interesting.

#102 Weed Rancher on 10.17.18 at 8:55 pm

I suppose going forward all government policies should be constructed for the sole purpose of protecting home owners and the resale value of their homes.

Never mind all the new jobs in this sector and all the capitol flowing in from abroad.

Never mind all the investor portfolios that have prospered to dizzying heights, its all about the regal home owner..lol

Never mind that Canada is in the drivers seat globally and having a huge head start when it comes to medicinal research that will benefit all.

I can go on and on but reading all the reefer madness here makes me even more bullish on the sector!

But alas we have to worry about the mythical pot smoking rancher boogie man herding his weed plants around his rented box in the sky? That precious box in the sky…

I would be more concerned with interest rates and B20, this is classic Garth inflaming the masses with hysteria in an entertaining blog:)

PS I bought today online and i look nothing like the skid marks lining up in front of stores, all bearded up and unwashed.

#103 TurnerNation on 10.17.18 at 8:55 pm

Would be a real shame if the list of purchasers at the Government Weed website found its way into US border patrol’s hands. Would they make this a thing like the reciprocal banking information? Honey Pot.
(I made a funny. A Honey pot for Pot. )
Now you’se can’t leave?

Signed,

#sickofStoners

#104 DON on 10.17.18 at 9:00 pm

#41 Barb on 10.17.18 at 5:35 pm

Daughter just added this Addendum to the existing Rental Agreements for her rental properties:

“This Addendum will address the Province’s legalization of cannabis possession, use and growing, and immediately forms part of—and is added to—the existing Rental Agreement between the tenants and landowners at the rental property.
The current and existing rules of no smoking inside the rental unit immediately extend to include the smoking, vaping, and/or growing of any and all cannabis products.
At the discretion of the Landowner(s), the violation of any term of this Addendum and Rental Agreement is justification for the immediate cancellation of tenancy, upon issuance of an End of Tenancy notice by the Landowner(s) to any of the present Tenant(s), with no recourse.

Agreed and signed by Landowner(s):
Agreed and signed by Tenant(s):
Date of signature(s): ”

She’s delivering the Addendum to the Tenant(s) today.
**************

Good idea!

But what happens if/when it turns into a renters market. People might not be so picky when they need someone to pay the mortgage.

But I know what you mean…I woudn’t rent to anyone who drinks alcohol. Bottom of the barrel kind of stuff.

#105 DON on 10.17.18 at 9:04 pm

Was backpacking in Europe (91) went to Lisbon Portugal and the drug problem was everywhere. Couldn’t walk down the street without someone trying to sell drugs.

Was reading an article two weeks ago…apparently Portugal legalized a range of soft and hard drugs and things have improved drastically. hmm!

#106 DON on 10.17.18 at 9:08 pm

Does four plants define a grow op?

People are lazy and will go buy rather than grow. I guess I will have to get rid of all my house plants due to mold concerns and water damage.

Why are we talking in extremes? I thought balance was the way to go?

Oh yah you have a ‘Barista’ for coffee and a ‘Rollio’ for Pot.

#107 mike from mtl on 10.17.18 at 9:09 pm

I grow Baslic and chillis on my table, does that make me a nasty neighbour? Growing pot or parsley are identical, but smoking tabac or pot indoors are equally disgusting.

Funny how HR today simply HAD so send a ‘reminder’ mass email in our corp about consumption. You know to cover their ass for idiots and so on.

Honestly I don’t care, but the publicity of this is overblown, smoking anything is for losers and that won’t change.

#108 Gravy Train on 10.17.18 at 9:10 pm

#24 n1tro on 10.17.18 at 4:25 pm
“Shilling and defrauding works at all ages. The story of Theranos.[…] Can’t make this stuff up. :D”

Here are some more details fromThe New York Times: “Even some of the world’s richest people may get duped, according to newly unsealed documents in a lawsuit filed on behalf of investors in the failing blood-testing company Theranos.

“High-profile investors who collectively lost hundreds of millions of dollars included Walmart’s Walton family, the media mogul Rupert Murdoch, as well as Betsy DeVos, the secretary of education and her relatives.[…]

“Theranos had always boasted a star-studded list of investors and directors — its board included the former secretaries of state George P. Shultz and Henry A. Kissinger, two former United States senators, and Gen. Jim Mattis, the current secretary of defense. But while some high-profile investors’ links to Theranos had been previously known, the new documents provide a detailed list of financial amounts.

“The Walton family invested about $150 million in 2014 through two separate entities, according to the investor list. Mr. Murdoch put in about $125 million, and the extended family of Ms. DeVos invested about $100 million.[…]

“Other prominent investors, according to the list, included the Cox family; the Atlanta billionaires who own the media conglomerate Cox Enterprises and who invested $100 million; and a company affiliated with Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim that put in about $30 million. Robert K. Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots, invested $1 million.

“Representatives for Mr. Kraft, the Walton family, Cox Enterprises and News Corp. declined to comment.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/health/theranos-investors-murdoch-devos-walmart.html

#109 Ryan on 10.17.18 at 9:11 pm

Societal impacts aside( I’m sure the government is looking forward to a passive populace), the purpose of the grow tent is to keep humidity inside around the plants, and not escaping into the surrounding air. Some will leak out, but it will be marginal if you’re only growing 4 plants. It would be no different than running a cool mist humidifier in the winter when you have a cold. I’ve seen people running multiple misters in their homes, when they are sick, and they arent all dying of black mold. You’re not going to riddle a house with mold by growing a few plants, there isn’t enough water in that grow tent to do that. Most homes in Canada are very dry in the winter time anyway, so the effects of some loose humidity is negligible. In the summer, people are going to be growing it outside. This mold boogeyman is silly.

#110 AB on 10.17.18 at 9:16 pm

It is perfectly possible to have a glass of wine, beer or highball or two for relaxing and socializing without getting drunk. How many people are going to light a joint and have one or two puffs (tokes)to relax and then stop? Zip, zero, nada!! Methinks they are using that smelly putrid pot to get high. Quite a whole different kettle of fish.

#111 NoName on 10.17.18 at 9:16 pm

#64 MF on 10.17.18 at 6:37 pm
My condo board has been sending emails and making postings near elevators for a few months in preparation for this stupid move.

MF

That’s nothing we were getting robocalls from school board…

#112 NoName on 10.17.18 at 9:20 pm

#99 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.17.18 at 8:54 pm
Stoned construction workers working on your new house or high rise condo ? …….plumbers, electricians, carpenters, ……stoned factory workers building your new car ?……..stoned daycare workers looking after your kids ? …weekly or monthly, urine samples ? It gets interesting.

Stoned forklift drivers are scariest!

#113 Calgary Retiree on 10.17.18 at 9:30 pm

An over the top extreme partisan rant. Marijuana grow-ops are still illegal. Neither home made wine, nor growing a few plants for private consumption, will impact house values.

The curious part is that the conservatives seem to love and protect the criminals running illegal supplies with unknown, and possibly laced, marijuana products. Con’s loving con’s? Have conservatives ever heard of the disaster called prohibition? The whole point of legalization is to decriminalize the process.

And no, I’ve never used marijuana.

#114 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.17.18 at 9:30 pm

@#91 Flop
“New ask 878k

The assessment comes in at 1.26

So 30% less than assessed right at the bottom rung of the market.”
+++++

Wow!

I didnt think it would happen this quickly.

Next up !
Pink Smoke!
As sellers try and cook their homes to get insurance settlements….
Perhaps you could have a ‘Pink Coal” around Dec 25th?
Just to celebrate the Holidays?

#115 Bob Loblaw on 10.17.18 at 9:31 pm

Garth, we’re talking about four plants… how will growing four plants indoors destroy your home? Who says you even have to setup up a light system in the closet or bathtub?

Hell, I have four plants in my house right now. Two ferns and two yuccas…they do quite well by the window. No bulbs, fans, wiring, or humidity issues at all.

#116 Yuus bin Haad on 10.17.18 at 9:34 pm

Geez, poor old Gord got bumped out of the news cycle today (and he was a toker).

#117 Piano_Man87 on 10.17.18 at 9:47 pm

There’s definitely potential water damage. Mold can grow. Stuff can seep into carpets. The smell can be pretty foul. People who tend to do it tend to be frequent users, and we all know that isn’t good for society.

So I can fully understand why people wouldn’t want to buy a house where someone was brewing beer/wine.

#118 timo leery on 10.17.18 at 9:53 pm

Garth

Is it just me or have your pictures of dogs become more psychedelic in the last 24 hours?

#119 MF on 10.17.18 at 9:55 pm

#73 bdwy sktrn on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

That comment from last week made you come off as immature, vain and myopic.

Money =/ Health. To equate the two indicates a severe lack of maturity.

But please tell us again about how much money you have.

BTW, the real heavy hitters, the Gates and Buffetts of the world, make more money in 1 second than you will in your entire life.

If you wanted perception, now you have it.

MF

#120 Ed S Nigh on 10.17.18 at 10:00 pm

Garth
It might be time to examine some of the secondary social effects of this legalization.
Here’s a few:

1. Economic skewing of wealth as the people on the fringes of society drop out of the economy and anyone in the middle class who is not getting ahead joins them.
2. Increase in obesity due to munchies
3. Increase in hearing loss due to loud headphones
4. Huge increase in govt revenues due to massive fines for driving stoned.
5. Overall dumbing down of society and lower IQs
6. Increased use of harder drugs

There are more, but the end is nigh

#121 Fish on 10.17.18 at 10:16 pm

Canada Post workers could begin rotating strikes Monday

Union wants improved job security, an end to forced overtime, and better health and safety measures
The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 16, 2018 6:29 PM ET | Last Updated: October 16

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-post-strike-possible-1.4865660

#122 Dave on 10.17.18 at 10:23 pm

Isnt farm land pricing going way up???

Stop farming fruit and grains and start planting weed. Printing press for money???

#123 Steerage Stoner on 10.17.18 at 10:24 pm

#119 Fish on 10.17.18 at 10:16 pm

Canada Post workers could begin rotating strikes Monday

Union wants improved job security, an end to forced overtime, and better health and safety measures
The Canadian Press · Posted: Oct 16, 2018 6:29 PM ET | Last Updated: October 16

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-post-strike-possible-1.4865660

What’s Canada Post?

#124 watchyabunging on 10.17.18 at 10:28 pm

Garth, no need to knock Uruguay. Better to join them and start a league of stoner nations.
How about, Brotherhood of United Nations of Ganja,
or BUNG for short.
Of course, Trumpster will be all over this and call these the bunghole countries.

#125 O Cannabis! on 10.17.18 at 10:31 pm

HAPPY WEEDNESDAY!

This day will never ennnnnnndddd :)

Totally awwweeeessommmmmmee

Chilllllllllllllliinnnnnnnnnnnn dudes……………….

#126 Bob Loblaw on 10.17.18 at 10:32 pm

Garth, People can brew their own beer at home, but how many people do you see knocking down walls to install giant stainless steel tanks, and are boiling tons of wort at high temperatures in their closets?

Four plants is nothing…during prohibition, marijuana growers would grow about 25 plants per 1,000 watt bulb (before LED technology). A standard 15 amp household circuit can easily handle 1,000 watts, provided nothing else was drawing high amounts of amps from the same circuit. And that’s 25 plants growing under old, non LED Technology!

Four plants can easily be grown by the window or on a countertop with a low wattage LED setup. Before prohibition, nobody was wasting their time growing four plants, and certainly not out out in the open

#127 Mike on 10.17.18 at 10:37 pm

Sorry Garth. Big fan, but you’re over reacting. Apartment and condo dwellers can vape to reduce the smell. We’ve been doing it for years, but you didn’t know. I think you should change your message to one of mutual respect and let us all enjoy our civic liberties as we choose.

#128 re., Stan Brooks on 10.17.18 at 10:38 pm

Oh, that Canadian knowledge of countries and places…

Chile has the best standard of living in Latin America. Uruguay is close.

An average Greek or Italian lives much better live than the average Canadian and people actually there can afford to retire. Much better healthcare. Greece is considered a developing

……..

Developing country? LOL. Greece is broke. Kaput. Visit the place

cmon, geez

#129 Andrewt on 10.17.18 at 10:41 pm

Crickey, the hysteria over legalization is up there with Y2K.
Things will barely change at all.
There’s not going to be hordes of stoned zombies roaming around.
Anyone who felt like smoking pot already was, and no one who was not interested before will suddenly develop a taste for it simply because it’s legal now.

#130 Long-Time Lurker on 10.17.18 at 10:54 pm

The whole country’s gone to pot.

#131 MF on 10.17.18 at 10:55 pm

“But everyone does it” is another coping mechanism that pot addicts use to justify their addiction:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/nanos-survey-nearly-8-in-10-canadians-uninterested-in-smoking-cannabis-once-legal-1.4136084

—>The survey conducted for CTV News found that 71 per cent of those polled were not interested in smoking marijuana once it’s legal in Canada.

Another unsurprising finding:

—>Younger people appear more interested than older people. Just under one-third (31.8 per cent) of respondents between the ages of 18 and 34 said they were interested or somewhat interested, compared to 24.9 per cent of those aged 35 to 54 and 22.5 per cent of those 55 and older.

…which, as we know, was the main point of it all: votes from this particular demographic.

MF

#132 Long-Time Lurker on 10.17.18 at 10:56 pm

Justin’s Soma.

#133 IHCTD9 on 10.17.18 at 10:59 pm

A while back, I read an article that claimed over 40% of Ontario’s tobacco market now flows through FNR’s. The local Rez out my way is already PACKED with Pot vendors, every form you can think of, they got it and more. 20 years ago, this was a sleepy little town – now there are traffic lights all over the place to handle the traffic.

Why? Because a pack of smokes at Mac’s is 16.00, but 5.00 on the Rez. Diesel is 1.28 at Petro Canada, but 99.9 on the Rez. Pot? This too they will sell for less – WAY less.

These enterprising folks hit the ground running selling Pot, and you can bet your @ss they are going to take 40+% of this market too. They can and will eat the government and private off-Rez businesses alive on the price front, and they’ve got their own cops now. They don’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else. They own the whole supply chain out there when it comes to Pot, and that’s a first. MILLIONS are flowing through these places, Pot sales will be a cash cow of epic proportions for these guys.

Think the government will be trying to stop off-Rez folks from going Pot shopping @ the FNR’s? Think about it.

As far as the long term effects of Pot, especially ones who started up young – just ask the wife of a guy who smokes up every day. Brace yourself for explicit truth, because you’ll be getting it like a water cannon. Ms. IH can’t get over how many of her Clients are every day users. Becoming one of Ms. IH’s clients is not a good thing.

#134 Danno on 10.17.18 at 11:03 pm

Another thing to be aware off is that banks do not care what the law allows they will not approve a mortgage if they know that any weed has been grown there.

#135 Ace Goodheart on 10.17.18 at 11:10 pm

OCS.ca

“This website offers cannabis products and information and is restricted to adults aged 19 years and older.

Please enter your birthdate to confirm you are at least 19 years of age.

This information will not be stored beyond this session.”

Well, that should keep the under-agers from buying weed. Enter a birth date. No way anyone can get around this age verification system. It seems pretty bullet proof.

I thought the photo ID system used by the Beer Store and the LCBO was pretty tight. But this, enter a birth date? No way anyone could get around that.

#136 Adam on 10.17.18 at 11:11 pm

Gotta say your opinion on this seems very unlike you, Garth.

Usually you seem like a live-and-let-live guy who like more freedom. Seems weird you’d prefer to give harmless people criminal records, organized crime a multi-billion dollar cash-cow, and law enforcement an expensive and pointless wildgoose chase that damages their relations with communities.

Maybe if we were the first but we’ve already seen this situation play out in multiple US states with no real issues.

#137 renter in Surrey on 10.17.18 at 11:24 pm

RE: #86

“how can you buy a house with no money?”
++++

I’m sure Surrey Realtor can help you out……..r

——————————————————————————————

I am not a realtor.

Now you can’t.
When houses were around $400-$500K you could.
Well, actually you still can, but it will be 1-br condo in Abbotsford.

#138 Sam the Sham on 10.17.18 at 11:26 pm

Come on folks, let’s think this through. How many people are going to be growing their own marijuana ? Four plants…is it worth it. A lot of people smoke tobacco and the government has made it expensive. How many people grow their own tobacco – no one. In a years time no one will be growing their own marijuana, they’ll just go to the store and buy it just like cigarettes. This is a tempest in a tea pot. Let’s get a grip!

#139 DON on 10.17.18 at 11:31 pm

#108 AB on 10.17.18 at 9:16 pm

It is perfectly possible to have a glass of wine, beer or highball or two for relaxing and socializing without getting drunk. How many people are going to light a joint and have one or two puffs (tokes)to relax and then stop? Zip, zero, nada!! Methinks they are using that smelly putrid pot to get high. Quite a whole different kettle of fish.
*****

How about this:

It is perfectly possible to have one or two puffs for relaxing and socializing without getting stoned. How many people are going to have just one glass of wine, beer or highball or two to relax and then stop? Zip, zero, nada!! Methinks they are using that fermented puke inducing mash to get ‘tripping over yourself drunk’, mean, abusive and obnoxious. Quite a whole different kettle of fish.

Everything in moderation and balance. Why the extreme one sided thinking?

#140 Chillin on 10.17.18 at 11:34 pm

Lighten up Garth. Literally.

#141 DON on 10.17.18 at 11:39 pm

#121 Steerage Stoner on 10.17.18 at 10:24 pm

#119 Fish on 10.17.18 at 10:16 pm

What’s Canada Post?
***********************
They are then new Weed delivery men and women.

#142 BS on 10.17.18 at 11:55 pm

Stigma. That’s the issue.

Actually there is a bigger issue. Financing a former grow operation.

Currently a grow op is any property that has grown marijuana plants at any point in the past anywhere on the property. That is 1 plant or 1000. Legal or illegal. In the shed or in the main house. One month or ten years. From a lenders point of view it either was a grow op or it wasn’t.

Once declared a grow by the seller most banks will not even finance it period. The ones that will require an environmental assessment report. They usually want one done recently, even if the grow op was from long ago. CMHC and Genworth also require these reports if the mortgages are insured. A new report may be required every time the house is sold or refinanced. Often you pay a higher mortgage rate for a grow op.

Bottom line once a house is declared a grow op it is worth less. If you don’t declare you risk being sued. All you need is a neighbor to let the new owner know. As far as disclosure goes it is right on the disclosure statement as a check box. By law you are required to disclose anything that material affects the property value. A grow affects the property value. Caveat Emptor.

#143 viorelli on 10.18.18 at 12:15 am

Just got back from 10 days in the good, ole USA. Mostly Nevada and Arizona, the weather is great, everywhere is getting busy with highway expansion. Passed through a small town in AZ, local sheriff has a big sign, our citizens don’t call 911! Two pistols are drawn underneath. Great hiking in the Grand Canyon, but many locals are complaining that things are getting expensive, especially if you don’t have the proper medical. Nice homes can still be purchased at reasonable cost although prices are also on the rise as too many from California, Oregon, and Mid-West are coming for jobs and cheaper housing. Crime and gated communities come together of course and is a part of life down there. Our dollar does not go very far, but the meals are large and can be split for 2 people easily. My old friend has a small commercial building with 2 condos in a good part of Scottsdale which he purchased in 2011, he couldn’t be happier. Good rent in USD, he uses one unit for 6 month when Vancouver gets dreary, and is well diversified. I am not sure, if Canada does get uglier with increased socialism and business restriction I might make the move as well. We’ll see soon enough.

#144 Brian Herb Muldooney on 10.18.18 at 12:16 am

Good enough for your old boss Muldooney…..

https://calgaryherald.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/brian-mulroney-joins-board-of-directors-of-new-york-based-pot-company/wcm/efb0dca0-53fc-4f10-bffd-3ab93c64ed7c

#145 Linda on 10.18.18 at 12:19 am

The weed apocalypse is highly overblown. Anyone who thinks weed users haven’t already been toking & driving long before this day is naive. As for people growing the stuff, yes, some stoners will try to raise far more than the mandated 4 plants for personal use. Landlords & house purchasers beware. However, weed has a very strong & distinctive odor. Smoke is smoke, however scented. If someone won’t buy/rent a place where smoking was permitted, hardly matters if it was tobacco or marijuana.

#146 jane24 on 10.18.18 at 12:22 am

Been to the Netherlands loads of times for a long weekend and although weed is legal there it doesn’t seem to cause any social disruption. This news was number two on the BBC news last night though and you very seldom see any news about Canada, outside of Canada.

Massive line-ups featured for an item you can grow yourself. Suspect that once the hype dies down there won’t be that many new smokers as folk just don’t smoke today due to potential health issues. It is hard for a non-smoker to learn how to smoke too. From what I have read here obviously too many folk trying to make a buck in this new business. Time to get out if you are in as the hype may be bigger than the actual business.

Yes life in Italy is better than life in Canada. Have lived in both. Major difference is that in Italy no-one has a mortgage, you either live with family or in a house gifted to you by family and no child-care bills as that is what family is for. Child nurseries in the South don’t exist as mothers tend to stay home anyway. Easy to live on one salary with no big bills. Weekends are for eating, family, walking and enjoying. No mad dashes to supermarkets. They dress beautifully even in our small village as most of what they earn is disposable so why not. Definitely a much better lifestyle than Canada. I know expats there that have a lovely life in the South of Italy on 1000 euros a month.

#147 Victor V on 10.18.18 at 12:32 am

#80 Musty Basement Dweller on 10.17.18 at 7:25 pm
Grew up in the 70s many of my friends became regular pot users. Sorry to say that pretty much every single one of them is either burnt out or lazy or both now. Definitely respiratory issues and two of them had lung cancer. Maybe just a coincidence. Yes alcohol is bad too, but why make things worse. Oh well at least Justin got this one done. Probably because he got the task oriented excop to lead it. (Not one of the many pot heads in his Ottawa crowd)

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Fair point on the smoking but bear in mind that starting next year the market for edibles is going to launch. Why smoke when you can drink a Cannabis infused drink? Check out companies like BEER.V who are positioned as early leaders in that space.

#148 Buy? Curious? on 10.18.18 at 12:41 am

Marijuana was made illegal by crotchety old racist fools. It’s safer than tobacco and nasty alcohol.

#149 Smoking Man on 10.18.18 at 1:08 am

Legal weed,
part of the globalist plan to destroy the last remaining resistance to a one world unelected govt of tyranny. The straight white masculine man is the last obstical.

Any tough young man they can’t turn into a trans chick, they will stone him into a cloudy fog of happt submission and the muchies..

While giving him the right to Dr assisted a suicide without informing parents of his intentions.

Canada is now run by mental cases. Set to turn it into shit hole worse than Venezuela.

Hockey and maple syrup with people that say sorry too much is no more.

Very sad…..

I tend see shit few years before others. Remember this post in a few years.

Dr Smoking Man
PhD Herdonomics

#150 Bdwy sktn on 10.18.18 at 1:13 am

MF on 10.17.18 at 9:55 pm

#73 bdwy sktrn on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

BTW, the real heavy hitters, the Gates and Buffetts of the world,
.____________
Gates, like Steve jobs, preferred cannabis as the “pharmaceutical of choice” back when they were hatching the world’s most successful businesses. For christ sake he publically pushed for legalization in WA a few years ago.

How blind can one man be?

Its not smoking the green that kills brain cells, but whatever you are doing seems highly effective.

#151 fishman on 10.18.18 at 1:14 am

If somebody is growing weed in your place & there’s a trace of damage they are amateurs. A pro in a 1000 sq. ft. basement will average 50lbs./year. Thats taking into account he loses the odd crop. Those basements are as clean & dry & white & pure as a lab. At $2000/lb. your going to allow mites & moulds & moisture & skin disease & rot to eat your profit. You got humidifiers, timers, fans, charcoal,pumps, CO2, full spectrum lites , Everything incased in at least 10 ml. plastic. High tech. The only thing that will get you is a women spurned or the power bill.
The best renters ever were pro growers. A pretty girl delivered cash in an envelope. In advance. Never, ever the landlord had to check up. Not personally that is. Good idea to have a friend moniter the “psychological” well being of the tenant. Too much cash attracts trouble. Growers are under a lot of stress. I mean how would you fair knowing the bulls, or worse, might be coming through,not in, your door any time,day or night. These deals had a best before date.

#152 Smoking Man on 10.18.18 at 1:46 am

Withering away in the land resertricted with white picket fences.

I ditched my swap traders in the land of pick shirt day. Or maybe some one who loves his Davos cocktails, thinking he’s made it had something to do with it.

He hasn’t.

My new friends make 10 times the amount of buying power than the complete teat sucking bitches make back home.

Then a drunken code smith with lasts nights dip on his breath shows up for work creating amazing zeros and ones that makes a trader trade 100 ft boat for a bigger one.

Unlike the bitches, arrogant little cowards in Canada.
I’m rewarded with more than a pat on the head saying good boy.

I love Trumps America. Garth, Doug, and little Ryan had my Resume
Obviously I did not get the gig.

How can they compete with a firm with 2 trillion under management.. And I’m the best in the world at what I do.

Sucks to be me….

#153 Bdwy sktn on 10.18.18 at 2:08 am

About 70m Americans have had recreational cannabis for a while now.
West coast is fully green. Been a smashing success. We are not inventing the wheel here.

….
Btw it’s reasonably easy to grow very, very good stuff . 4 good plants produce
about a pound every 3 months. 454g at 10$ is 4500.
. Imagine watching tiny bottles of the finest scotch grow fat and full out of nothing but a few pennies in light and fertilizer! Growing was a joy I cant wait to start again.

I’ve only smoked with a few thousand folks all around the world over the past few decades. Old young rich poor guys gals u name it. Never seen anyone stumble, slur, stagger or even sway after copious consumption.(let alone get hostile/agressive) .

Apr. 20, 2018 · Former NBA, NFL athletes estimate marijuana use among players is higher than 80% …
These guys are hitting 3pointers at lightning speed while high, where is the physical impairment?

#154 Bdwy sktn on 10.18.18 at 2:31 am

Hell, I have four plants in my house right now. Two ferns and two yuccas…they do quite well by the window. No bulbs, fans, wiring, or humidity issues at all.
…….
Um u need a light the window won’t work. But a 400w light uses 1/4 the power of a plug in heater. Just plug it in. Led nowadays prob 100w or less. U need to accurately control the hours of light. dark must be totally black.
Humidity should be very low, no faster way to destroy a crop than humidity=mould. Tragic. Fans are mainly to remove heat from the light and smell. It’s still practically impossible to damage a house with 4 plants.

#155 When Will They Raise Rates? on 10.18.18 at 2:54 am

Better not legalize heroin by this logic… Why, everyone will run out tomorrow and start shooting up… worse yet, everyone will then immediately convert their homes into poppy grow ops, negatively affecting Canadian RE!

It’s a good thing suicide is illegal… wouldn’t want everyone killing themselves tomorrow if it were legal. So glad we have gubmint looking out for us.

#156 Howard on 10.18.18 at 3:53 am

#60 Stan Brooks on 10.17.18 at 6:23 pm

#42 Howard on 10.17.18 at 5:37 pm
Uruguay is the most educated country in Latin America with the highest standard of living south of the US/Mexico border. Considering income relative to cost of living it’s almost certainly more prosperous than so-called First World countries like Greece.

Oh, that Canadian knowledge of countries and places…

Chile has the best standard of living in Latin America. Uruguay is close.

An average Greek or Italian lives much better live than the average Canadian and people actually there can afford to retire. Much better healthcare. Greece is considered a developing country.

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On what planet is Greece considered a developing country? A developing country that was allowed into the European common currency? Perhaps it OUGHT to be considered developing, but it isn’t.

And I would contest the notion that the average Greek today lives better than a Canadian. Just because the weather is beautiful there doesn’t mean everything else is roses. Greece’s GDP has plunged by a third since 2010 and it’s unemployment rate is still at 20% (youth unemployment double that). Older Greek public sector workers who retired pre-2010 are living well; everyone else, not so much. As in Canada, the Boomers took it all and left the cupboard bare.

Greece state of the economy : https://www.euronews.com/2018/08/20/greek-bailout-the-economy-before-and-after

Italy is in an entirely different league from Greece. People like to pair the two countries, but Italy has world-leading companies in a myriad of industries while Greece has….tourism, and not much else.

#157 Grandma Moses on 10.18.18 at 3:55 am

A grow op is a patent defect for disclosure as proof of deadly mold, spores , bacteria in wet drywall, insulation is a recognized fact by regulators, engineers, health professionals and appraisers. A grow op of any size process heat exchanger resulting in condensation .

The grow op kits sold at garden stores do not hermetically seal of such condensation occuring and displacing throughout the structure. Water is insidious, it follows it’s own path, rotting everything in it’s path…even iside poured concrete where I’ve found rusting rebar in underground parking lots 50 stories under an exposed roof.

That’s scary when you consider the load bearing structure will collapse at some point, but how do you determine the timeline of collapse when hundreds of millions of dollars are invested overhead. It’s like living with nihilism and building a dam with a purpose built flaw. You know the concrete will give out, you just don’t know when, same with grow ops in residential suites. Your suite might transfer mild bearing spores eight floors up or down and kill a baby, who’s to blame? Not Trudeau, obviously.

#158 So glad I sold on 10.18.18 at 5:00 am

Checked listings for detached homes in Richmond BC. This won’t end well. There are 6, 8 and more listings in some subdivisions and or on some streets for sale. Of course they haven’t dropped their prices much, but that will change as some of the homes are vacant and the bank will come calling. Some of the houses sold have dropped their prices 30 percent from previous purchase price, so have taken quite the haircut. They are even listing for less than BC Assessment.

#159 Steven Rowlandson on 10.18.18 at 5:20 am

“In practical terms, legal cannabis is a big deal for real estate.”
If one means grow ops then apart from building a fat bank account or indulging personal vices one might suspect that some people will do anything to feed the real estate god by raising some extra cash to pay the mortgage.

#160 Steven Rowlandson on 10.18.18 at 5:30 am

Pot at $20 per gram is almost worth $622 per troy ounce.
May be more on black markets.
No wonder some are tempted to grow the stuff. 2.5 troy ounces of the stuff is roughly the same value as gold.

#161 You Have to be Kidding on 10.18.18 at 6:10 am

#60 Stan Brooks

“An average Greek or Italian lives much better live than the average Canadian and people actually there can afford to retire. Much better healthcare. Greece is considered a developing country.”

This is such an absurd statement I don’t know where to begin…. I am of Italian ancestry, have visited Italy many times and have relatives there. I have attended the Italian Film Festival the past 5 years and the recurring theme is the tough times Italy faces economically. This year a movie was actually titled “There is no hope for our young people.” My relatives came to visit this year and were jaw dropped at our farming industry (they are farmers). I brought them to a former neighbour who has robotic milkers and everything is automated. They were in complete envy of our flat farmland and the acreage our farmers have. They couldn’t wrap their minds around the difference in the two countries. Watch Italian television and once again, the recurring theme is financial hardship. As for the medical systems, a Canadian relative had serious health issues in Italy this summer. Once she got back to Canada, her Italian prescribed meds were literally dumped in the garbage by the Canadian doctor.
Completely wrong medication for her condition. He was shocked at what she was given. Your comments are patent nonsense Stanley but then what should I expect from someone in a mental asylum….

#162 ken on 10.18.18 at 7:04 am

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#163 Stan Brooks on 10.18.18 at 7:22 am

#154 Howard on 10.18.18 at 3:53 am
#159 You Have to be Kidding on 10.18.18 at 6:10 am

World Health Organization quality of health care rankings

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

Italy is # 2, Greece # 13, Canada # 27

You better double check those prescriptions.

Visited Greece a month ago, beautify weather, cheap food.

#164 Tater on 10.18.18 at 7:46 am

#21 yvr_lurker on 10.17.18 at 4:09 pm
I would have preferred Chretien’s approach to this topic. De-criminalize it for sure, so that a simple possession does not follow you for years. But I would have put the legalization status in limbo for years. I do believe that with youth it can be a gateway drug to something more potent.
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16% of Canadians admit to using marijuana in the last year, 1.2% admit to cocaine use and .2% admit to using heroin. Lifetime its 45% for weed, 8% for coke and 1.2% for heroin.

If weed is a gateway drug, its pretty bad at it. Far better for the government to get revenue from it than criminals.

#165 Tater on 10.18.18 at 7:50 am

#29 Chaddywack on 10.17.18 at 4:40 pm
Saw some pictures from the lineups around Canada. Pretty much what I expected. Despite many marijuana advocates saying that a lot of doctors, lawyers, accountants, financial advisors, etc. smoke weed all the time it’s not what the pictures showed.

Mostly men, unkempt beards, ratty clothes. Funny how they all seem to be available during working hours to get their fix. I don’t know what the hell T2 was thinking, but I think T2 is hoping everyone will be so stoned next election that they’ll vote for him.

The sad thing is you can never change it back once it’s legalized.

Now the question will be will this post be DELETED due to my anti-beard comments? :)
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Every been to a liquor or beer store at 11am on a weekday? Newsflash: not the most savory characters. Why? Because all the working stiffs are, wait for it, working!

Why would you expect a weed shop to be different?

#166 You Have to be Kidding on 10.18.18 at 8:11 am

#161 Stan Brooks

“You better double check those prescriptions. Visited Greece a month ago, beautify weather, cheap food.”

She was wrongly diagnosed and to repeat, the Canadian doctor couldn’t believe that she was wrongly diagnosed and obviously wrongly prescribed medication. We are talking a life and death situation.

Great weather does not equate to a country having a great standard of living Stan. There are lots of countries with great weather and a horrible standard of living…. Talk to some locals and ask how life is in Greece. Every Greek person I know in Canada says that life is difficult for their relatives in Greece. Livable if you have some farmland and are self sufficient, otherwise a tough slug…

#167 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.18.18 at 8:12 am

@#161 Stan the babbling Brook
“Visited Greece a month ago, beautify weather, cheap food.”
+++++

Thus that makes you an expert.

Must we assume you’re moving to either Italy or Greece since Canada is so much worse?
You would thrive there as a politician.
I hear they will elect any lunatic with a heartbeat.

#168 Pothead Peter on 10.18.18 at 8:16 am

All this talk of the good folks of Canada become weed growers en masse. Sorry kids but way back in the 70s there wasn’t a corn field with 20 kms of our farm that wasn’t growing weed. Ricky from Trailer Park Boys would have been overjoyed…

#169 Randy on 10.18.18 at 8:19 am

Attention: This property has potential as a Grow-Op .

#170 O Cannabis! on 10.18.18 at 8:29 am

Every Day is Weednesday :)

The world just keeps gettin better thanks to grass, dudes!

Look, crowdedfartz dude, they just solved your problem….

https://www.myshreddies.com/flatulence/mens/mens-flatulence-jeans

https://www.thesun.ie/fabulous/3261683/you-can-now-buy-jeans-that-claim-to-stop-your-farts-from-smelling-but-they-cost-100/

Now everbuddy can chillax in the elevators again

All thanks to weed :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM

#171 Serves "Em Right on 10.18.18 at 8:34 am

67 S.Bby on 10.17.18 at 6:54 pm

“…Now the owner-speculator has a house that he overpaid for by at least $250,000 plus he has to fix up all the damage and try to either sell it or rent it again.”

Boo hoo, boo hoo… waa, waa, waa. Poor little owner-speculator….

#172 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.18.18 at 8:36 am

@#119 Fish
“Canada Post workers….”
++++
The sullen, arrogant govt sloths that are employed( we will not call it “working”) at Canada Post have begun a new annual round of threats.
I notice they didnt start this “strike” a few weeks before Christmas as is their usual extortion tactic.
Not to worry.
The govt will allow this charade to carry on for a few weeks and then legislate them back to work.
The govt unionized equivalent of being sent off to bed without dinner.

As bills go digital and less and less mail is delivered …what keeps Canada Post “busy”?
The thousands of annoying flyers that clutter recycling boxes daily?
Political flyers sent at taxpayer expense promoting the latest “liar in waiting” at the polls?
The Amazon packaging? (that could be delivered by a private courier at less cost if govt rules protecting Canada Post’s monopoly on home delivery would allow it).

The lazy dolts at Canada Post that now seem to forgo delivering mail on Mondays or Fridays everywhere ( and good luck receiving Mail the day before or after a Long weekend).
A new “cut back” at Canada Post? Delivery on Tues, Wed, Thurs, only?

And my favourite “excuse” from the Canada Post Letter carrier when the wrong mail is unceremoniously dumped in my mail slot, ” I dont sort it! You will have to call the 1-800 number to complain”
Ahhh yess the Canada Post “complaint line”
The telephone number is staffed buy even stupider, lazy sloths that if, and finally ,when they answer, give you a “tracking number” for “following up” on your complaint…
And you never hear back from anyone…..ever.

Get rid of Canada Post.
An anachronism that should have been taken out behind the barn and put out of its misery at least a decade ago.

I for one wont miss the useless flyers filling the recycling box. Or the unaccountable arrogance that visits my mailbox 3 days a week…….

#173 the Jaguar on 10.18.18 at 8:37 am

#149 Fishman….” I mean how would you fair knowing the bulls, or worse, might be coming through,not in, your door any time,day or night.”

Mercy! Fishman is a scary creature. Like someone out of the movie Eastern Promises. Must have done a little jail time.
As for all this jawing about MaryJane. The Jag is a non participant but doesn’t care a fig what others do. Too busy with other more meaningful and grandiose schemes and conspiracy theories to expend any brainpower in that direction. But like many things in this world I see it as another way to divide society. Them and us. While those that use it will defend it and themselves, others will put distance between themselves and those that use. Edibles won’t contaminate the air in the room, but may impact meaningful, intelligent conversation. No one likes to converse with zombies. Similar to all other pursuits some will just say ‘don’t hang back with the brutes’ and vote with their feet. Everyone who owns a dog will need to be on high alert when they take their best friend for walks. Castoff butts will be everywhere.

#174 Tater on 10.18.18 at 8:39 am

#41 Barb on 10.17.18 at 5:35 pm
Daughter just added this Addendum to the existing Rental Agreements for her rental properties:

“This Addendum will address the Province’s legalization of cannabis possession, use and growing, and immediately forms part of—and is added to—the existing Rental Agreement between the tenants and landowners at the rental property.
The current and existing rules of no smoking inside the rental unit immediately extend to include the smoking, vaping, and/or growing of any and all cannabis products.
At the discretion of the Landowner(s), the violation of any term of this Addendum and Rental Agreement is justification for the immediate cancellation of tenancy, upon issuance of an End of Tenancy notice by the Landowner(s) to any of the present Tenant(s), with no recourse.

Agreed and signed by Landowner(s):
Agreed and signed by Tenant(s):
Date of signature(s): ”

She’s delivering the Addendum to the Tenant(s) today.
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A fool proof plan! Although, what if the renters don’t sign it?

#175 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.18.18 at 8:43 am

@#135 Realtor in Surrey
“I am not a realtor.”
++++

Kinda reminds me of Pres. Richard Nixon’s “I am not a crook” speech…..

#176 Smoking Man is a Clown on 10.18.18 at 8:51 am

#150 Smoking Man

“And I’m the best in the world at what I do.”

Couldn’t agree more. You are the supreme bullsh!t artist on the planet. Nobody even comes close…

#177 Tater on 10.18.18 at 8:53 am

#150 Smoking Man on 10.18.18 at 1:46 am
Withering away in the land resertricted with white picket fences.

I ditched my swap traders in the land of pick shirt day. Or maybe some one who loves his Davos cocktails, thinking he’s made it had something to do with it.

He hasn’t.

My new friends make 10 times the amount of buying power than the complete teat sucking bitches make back home.

Then a drunken code smith with lasts nights dip on his breath shows up for work creating amazing zeros and ones that makes a trader trade 100 ft boat for a bigger one.

Unlike the bitches, arrogant little cowards in Canada.
I’m rewarded with more than a pat on the head saying good boy.

I love Trumps America. Garth, Doug, and little Ryan had my Resume
Obviously I did not get the gig.

How can they compete with a firm with 2 trillion under management.. And I’m the best in the world at what I do.

Sucks to be me….
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So you claim to work for PIMCO now? Let’s see if that’s true.

#178 Howard on 10.18.18 at 9:01 am

#161 Stan Brooks on 10.18.18 at 7:22 am

#154 Howard on 10.18.18 at 3:53 am
#159 You Have to be Kidding on 10.18.18 at 6:10 am

World Health Organization quality of health care rankings

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

Italy is # 2, Greece # 13, Canada # 27

You better double check those prescriptions.

Visited Greece a month ago, beautify weather, cheap food.

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You’re intelligent enough to know that visiting a place as a tourist is nothing like living there.

I agree with most of your comments about Canada – it combines the worst of the US and European models without the benefits of either.

But I rather doubt that living in Greece these days is particularly fun (for anyone under retirement age) given that the country has been in near constant recession for the past decade.

#179 45north on 10.18.18 at 9:15 am

Sears Canada and now Sears US:

Yes, it was Mnuchin and his college pal, Eddie Lampert, who ran Sears into the ground. Mnuchin was on the board from 2005 until late 2016, when he took his current job.

https://www.howestreet.com/2018/10/17/how-trumps-right-hand-man-drove-sears-into-the-ground/

Eddie Lampert was the one who ran Sears Canada into the ground:

Eddie Lampert used the Wall Street hedge fund he ran to buy up Sears stock. For many years Sears Canada had usually paid a share dividend of 60 cents. But just six months later, even as Sears Canada was bleeding quarterly losses of $49 million, dividends were boosted to $5 a share.

This experience “sucked all the value out of the company,” says Duvall. In fact, $453 million of company money — badly needed for a turn-around — was paid to shareholders including Lampert and companies controlled by him.

here’s the comment I made last year:

“so everybody who works at Sears is wondering what Sears could have done differently – maybe cut some of its leases, move faster to on-line retail? Maybe – but the fight was really lost when Eddie Lampert bought the stock. There’s an expression from the Old South – “sold down the river”. Sears employees, its customers and every city and town where Sears has its stores was sold down the river.”

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/10/23/us-them/comment-page-1/#comment-550399

#180 AB Boxster on 10.18.18 at 9:21 am

Yaaaah baby.
Pot is legal.

Crystal meth is next.

Whooohooo!

#181 Love Guru’s Dad on 10.18.18 at 9:48 am

If you haven’t done the exercise of exploring how the world gets to One Love, and what that would look like for all aspects of life, including financial, you have not considered one possible outcome. In consideration of that outcome, dig deep into Marijuana until you are sure you know the truth, the whole truth, then consider how it might play a role.

#182 TurnerNation on 10.18.18 at 9:58 am

#147 Smoking man everyone is raving over legalized drugs in the Scandinavian and Nordic counties. Why there? They used to be fearsome Vikings. Now, drooling drug addled soy boys

The plan worked. No one to challenge our elite rulers.

In the USA strong men and leaders get drafted into Pro sports and Military it has been noted by some.
Where they are reduced to simply following orders and drills. Again no one to challenge our controllers.

#183 russell on 10.18.18 at 10:03 am

Is it not just a pathetic hunt for taxes. Gov’s control all the vices and right away they will arm the police to collect more taxes by charging and fining drivers who are high on weed. I have never heard of someone taking out 300 feet of guard rail because they smoked a dobie before driving… no matter the amount of taxes collected government never, not once in history, back to the Romans have paid their debts…

#184 Mattl on 10.18.18 at 10:10 am

#117 MF on 10.17.18 at 9:55 pm
#73 bdwy sktrn on 10.17.18 at 7:09 pm

That comment from last week made you come off as immature, vain and myopic.

Money =/ Health. To equate the two indicates a severe lack of maturity.

But please tell us again about how much money you have.

BTW, the real heavy hitters, the Gates and Buffetts of the world, make more money in 1 second than you will in your entire life.

If you wanted perception, now you have it.

MF

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Funny you should mention Bill Gates. He is a proponent of MJ legalization and smoked quite a bit building the Windows operating system. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if he still consumes Cannabis occasionally. How’s that for perspective?

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/50-most-successful-marijuana-enthusiasts-you-should-know-114790/bill-gates-115607/

#185 n1tro on 10.18.18 at 10:18 am

#106 Gravy Train on 10.17.18 at 9:10 pm
#24 n1tro on 10.17.18 at 4:25 pm
“Shilling and defrauding works at all ages. The story of Theranos.[…] Can’t make this stuff up. :D”
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Thanks for the follow up article. I’m amazed at what a pretty face and sweeting talking can accomplish. I’m seeing a lot of parallels with Holmes and Musk.

Both engineers (with Holmes dropping out)

Both have grand visions of the future

Both apparently good with the sweet talk

Both bringing their companies to ruin (Musk got bailout, Holmes ran out of time)

#186 Hard Worker on 10.18.18 at 10:52 am

Hey why are you ripping on Uruguay? I bet you have never been there but think you’re an expert just because you can quote their gdp. Have you considered that maybe you can’t tell everything about a country just by looking at their statistics? Yes their incomes are lower than ours, but everything is cheaper so it evens out. Most people living there are probably just as happy if not more so than most Canadians. Jerk…

#187 Barb on 10.18.18 at 10:54 am

#172 Tater on 10.18.18 at 8:39 am

“A fool proof plan! Although, what if the renters don’t sign it?”

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Tenants at both units signed last night.
It appears they want to stay.

#188 Barking up the wrong tree on 10.18.18 at 10:56 am

As Canadians we have lost focus on what’s important. The media is following up on the stupidity of legalising drugs while important stuff like the oil pipelines is being neglected.
It would be better to get the pipelines built and make billions per year rather than getting stoned.
I’m voting Mad Max next election :)

#189 Concerned Reader on 10.18.18 at 11:05 am

People with weak arguments attack other people. – Garth

Perhaps Mr. Turner will remember this next time he belittles an elected official with a cutesy nick name.

As for the topic of this article the over exaggeration of the dangers of growing a couple plants in a home is surprising. Most people would probably be concerned if someone grew 50 tomato plants in their home, I’m not sure if anyone would care if the previous occupant grew 2 or 3.

#190 Fish on 10.18.18 at 11:28 am

TREB says it has released disputed real estate data

But some agents say they have yet to gain access to data they are seeking

Susan Noakes · CBC News · Posted: Sep 18, 2018 4:00
AM ET | Last Updated: September 18

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/treb-house-sold-data-1.4827236

#191 dharma bum on 10.18.18 at 11:38 am

What is worse than buying a house from a previous owner that either smoked or grew weed?

Buying a house from someone who smoked cigarettes.

Worst. Stench. Ever.

Unremovable.

Next step for Canada: OUTLAW cigarettes!

Ban tobacco and its filthy effects.

At least weed has a beneficial side effect to the user.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimp9WHqZDeAhWGCnwKHaKABnoQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcannabis.net%2Fblog%2Fopinion%2Ffinally-the-death-of-the-stoner-stereotype&psig=AOvVaw2gFMcExmoTAUO54ukmXcrL&ust=1539963433830314

#192 Margery on 10.18.18 at 11:51 am

Since marijuana was legalized in Colorado, dozens of children have overdosed on the drug. Marijuana baked into cookies, brownies, or candy has led to children as young as 8 months being hospitalized.

Common symptoms include sleepiness and difficult walking. The problems are compounded because children’s bodies are smaller, and today’s marijuana is much more potent than ever before.

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/25/colorado-kids-emergency-room-visits-marijuana-increased/

Our PM is willing to risk children’s health and lives for personal gain, power or profit. Shame on him.

#193 Guy in Calgary on 10.18.18 at 11:52 am

Yesterday was awful.

During my drive home I was navigating blood soaked streets with the bodies of pot smokers and non pot smokers alike. It appeared as though the pot smokers had some sort of rage and started attacking people. Smoke rose in the distance, I assume hundreds of fires from those darn pot heads growing their 4 plants. Buildings crumbled to the ground as all the moisture compromised their structural integrity. Stores were looted for chips and cookies. The pot heads hissed at me and were able to chase me on foot. They seemed to be running almost 80km/hr behind my vehicle in a pot induced rage. It was terrifying.

I was lucky to make it home alive. All up and down the streets were children no more then 10 years old, smoking pot, their parents presumably killed or injured in the previous carnage. I just yelled “WWHHYYYY!”

I have been locked in my basement for the night. I have enough food down here to last about a week for my wife, dogs and myself. Wish us luck as it looks like potpocolypse is upon us.

Why did Justin have to do this to us?

#194 weeds? on 10.18.18 at 12:01 pm

The ‘weed man’ lawn care services has acknowledged a 38% increase in misdirected calls as of late.

Regrettably though, business has fallen off as people are looking to tend their weeds instead of removing them.

#195 Tater on 10.18.18 at 12:24 pm

#184 Barb on 10.18.18 at 10:54 am
#172 Tater on 10.18.18 at 8:39 am

“A fool proof plan! Although, what if the renters don’t sign it?”

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Tenants at both units signed last night.
It appears they want to stay.

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Also appears they are too dumb to know they didn’t have to sign it. Hope your daughter didn’t tell them they had to.

#196 James on 10.18.18 at 12:30 pm

#52 Stan Brooks on 10.17.18 at 6:10 pm

Allowing legal use of MJ in places like condos that share facilities like ventilation system is a crime by law.

MJ has proven adverse side effects to the brain (with the clearest manifestation of that being the IQ of T2):

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain

Imagine having your kids or small babies in a condo that blows MJ smoke out of the vent or through the hallways.

This is not alcohol where you can not get drunk by having a drunk neighbour.

Imagine also all these cases with people driving after heavy smoking of pot, that is not detectable by a test, i.e. they are not liable by law as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_drug_testing

Unlike alcohol, for which impairment can be reasonably measured using a breathalyser (and confirmed with a blood alcohol content measurement), valid detection for cannabis is time-consuming, and tests cannot determine an approximate degree of impairment. The lack of suitable tests and agreed-upon intoxication levels is an issue in the legality of cannabis debate, especially regarding intoxicated driving.

The legalization of MJ is a stupidity of a biblical proportion in an already economically run down place.
I have to admit that this is more that any schadenfreude could call for.

With news like this one I have to kick or slap myself to make sure I am not daydreaming.
So glad I left on time this s..th.le.
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The law suits are going to be epic. That is a major problem with condos that no body realizes. Everyone shares the same air. That is why people who live in condos also get sick more often. Same principle as going to a hospital or nursing home. Idiots who buy a condo will eventually realize their mistake.

#197 Evangeline on 10.18.18 at 1:05 pm

#189 Margery “Since marijuana was legalized in Colorado, dozens of children have overdosed on the drug. Marijuana baked into cookies, brownies, or candy has led to children as young as 8 months being hospitalized.”

Thanks for your post. That was an aspect I was not aware of.

#198 LL on 10.18.18 at 1:19 pm

Garth, is cannabis ETF is a good place to park $$?

#199 Shortymac on 10.18.18 at 1:26 pm

I’m going to be the contrarian here and I think you’d run into less houses used as grow ops now because you can buy legally and most large ops are in industrial places now.

It’s also only legal for 4 plants FYI.

#200 Ex-PIMCO employee on 10.18.18 at 1:50 pm

#175 Tater on 10.18.18 at 8:53 am

#150 Smoking Man on 10.18.18 at 1:46 am
Withering away in the land resertricted with white picket fences.

I ditched my swap traders in the land of pick shirt day. Or maybe some one who loves his Davos cocktails, thinking he’s made it had something to do with it.

He hasn’t.

My new friends make 10 times the amount of buying power than the complete teat sucking bitches make back home.

Then a drunken code smith with lasts nights dip on his breath shows up for work creating amazing zeros and ones that makes a trader trade 100 ft boat for a bigger one.

Unlike the bitches, arrogant little cowards in Canada.
I’m rewarded with more than a pat on the head saying good boy.

I love Trumps America. Garth, Doug, and little Ryan had my Resume
Obviously I did not get the gig.

How can they compete with a firm with 2 trillion under management.. And I’m the best in the world at what I do.

Sucks to be me….
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So you claim to work for PIMCO now? Let’s see if that’s true.
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I still have quite a few friends and acquaintances that work for PIMCO. They have just under two trillion in manged wealth. I am surprised that they would hire Smoking Man. However they do hire quite a numerous amount of contract staff. I keep in touch with quite a few workers. PIMCO recently started a Tech innovation center in Austin Texas. The process for hiring new Engineers is now thorough scrutiny to ensure that only the best developers make it into the firm. As well PIMCO is making strides at interfacing with CS departments at Universities to develop an unending pipeline of young disciplined Engineers continue to join the firm. These young guys are the new leaders.
The firm is also ensuring that they are creating a diverse workforce. Huge amounts of time and money is going in participating at events such as Grace Hopper and organizations that encourage participation of women in Technology. The young engineers however need to make it to Managers, VP and CEO’s within their respective divisions in order to make the really big bucks. BTW they will hire as follows. Direct from their site.
Equal Employment Opportunity and Affirmative Action Statement

PIMCO recruits and hires qualified candidates without regard to race, national origin, ancestry, religion (including religious dress and grooming practices), sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, or related medical conditions), sexual orientation, gender (including gender identity and expression), age, military or veteran status, disability (physical or mental), any factor prohibited by law, and as such affirms in policy and practice to support and promote the concept of equal employment opportunity and affirmative action, in accordance with all applicable federal, state, provincial and municipal laws. The company also prohibits discrimination on other basis such as medical condition, or marital status under applicable laws.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/101314/understanding-bond-behemoth-pimco.asp

#201 Oakville Rocks! on 10.18.18 at 1:52 pm

Hey SB’s Psychiatrist – lower the dose of the meds, your patient has no perspective or critical faculties left.

The study cited by the babbling brooks is undated? Hmmm, based on the references cited it is at least 15 years old. Good thing nothing has changed for Italy or Greece in the last 15 years?

Once again, the sound of the babbling brook is reduced to the noise of a troll.

#182 interesting list – thanks for the link. Don’t think we are moving past the omnipresent weed news coverage anytime soon though.

#202 Yes, But I Did Not Inhale on 10.18.18 at 1:58 pm

What a bunch of dummies who think this is good for Canada – people who probably can’t afford much except
$ 7 for each pre-rolled reefer.

What a bunch of losers!!

#203 NJS on 10.18.18 at 2:00 pm

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

#204 jess on 10.18.18 at 2:33 pm

check out these sales tactics

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/17/us/ap-us-ebay-amazon-lawsuit.html

https://www.investopedia.com/news/ebay-suing-amazon-heres-why/

#205 Steven Rowlandson on 10.18.18 at 2:38 pm

I didn’t notice any increment in pot use in Barrie, Ontario yesterday. It may be too soon to tell but my guess is that increased use will be minimal and most who do try it will tend to get bored with it or quit due to the smell and expense. Most of the benefit from legalization will be some profits and taxes from selling to lazy but dedicated users and saving money by not bringing addicts to justice for use or possession.
The downside will be related to insurance issues and dealing with the remnants of the underground economy. The expectations of the legal pot industry might be some what optimistic.

#206 Mike D on 10.18.18 at 2:56 pm

Allard et al v. Canada, The Court rejected the government’s position that a prohibition on personal cultivation was justifiable given its inherent risks of fire, mould, theft and diversion. The government lawyers and witnesses could not prove these risks from growing cannabis. In court. Could not prove risks. Risks you seem to be parroting (fire, mold, bugs). It seems really overblown to me. People do ALL KINDS of crazy stuff to and in their dwellings….

#207 jess on 10.18.18 at 3:03 pm

worry weeds …although, whites who think they are supreme using weed and using false science are truly scary!

“white nationalists chugging milk at a 2017 gathering to draw attention to a genetic trait known to be more common in white people than others — the ability to digest lactose as adults. It also shows a social media post from an account called “Enter The Milk Zone” with a map lifted from a scientific journal article on the trait’s evolutionary history.”

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/eugenics-crusade/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/us/white-supremacists-science-dna.html

“If you can’t drink milk,” it says in part, “you have to go back.”

#208 Stan Brooks on 10.18.18 at 3:11 pm

#164 You Have to be Kidding on 10.18.18 at 8:11 am
#161 Stan Brooks

“You better double check those prescriptions. Visited Greece a month ago, beautify weather, cheap food.”

She was wrongly diagnosed and to repeat, the Canadian doctor couldn’t believe that she was wrongly diagnosed and obviously wrongly prescribed medication. We are talking a life and death situation.

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That surprises me.

One significant benefit of all European health care system is the ability to ask for second opinion. There is no such thing as primary care provider only (who decides whether you live or die and can refuse to send you to a specialist; nor 1 diagnosis per day idiocy that Ontario enjoys) you can always go to a private doctor with no/or very little notice and for a very small fee. If in doubt, visit a second one.

I personally spent tens to thousands of USD going to the US due to the complete inability to reach specialists in reasonable time-frame in Canada, and I have a good family doctor!

One will appreciate the ‘qualities’ of the system entirely only when (good forbid) one gets sick with a serious disease that requires quick attention and access to specialists.

(A friend of mine died in Canada a few years ago when sent home with a heart attack.

A close friend’s child almost died few months ago in Ontario misdiagnosed with classical appendicitis symptoms. Same for another friend 2 years ago – doctors could not diagnose his kid’s appendicitis.)

#176 Howard on 10.18.18 at 9:01 am

I respect your opinion on Greece but I think they are doing much better than media reports. I saw people drinking coffee and ouzo in the afternoon and no one was raiding the garbage bins as I have seen in 10 times more expensive Toronto. True that the young people are migrating to work in Europe but at least they have that option – it is a giant economy and market with 510 million people free to work everywhere with no constraints. Very few have mortgages and most people own outright at least 2 homes – apartment in the city and a villa.

Also true that the debt is killing some (not all) but let’s not forget where we are with debt ourselves, they are just ahead in the deleveraging cycle. Not advertising their lifestyle, but there suffering is overstated.
The point I was trying to make was that we need to remove the rosy glasses and see the ugly truth in the mirror, I am glad that you agree with me.

#209 Wm on 10.18.18 at 4:00 pm

The idiocy spewed here regarding weed is consistently….. incredible. It’s a weird thing you do when you stigmatize nature. This plant has been around well before condos, real estate boards, agents, tfsa’s, goofy blog authors, etc. Marijuana plants don’t leave a permanent odor, even after being consumed (smoked, vaporized, ingested) If people obey the laws and keep a maximum 4 plants there is no more harm done than to a property than having 4 plants of any other species that a person/family would commonly have in a dwelling.
Hopefully after a few months/years when people become more familiar the conversation will change as of now, utter nonsense.

#210 NoName on 10.18.18 at 4:37 pm

#193 James on 10.18.18 at 12:30 pm

Shared air and this and that.

Recirculating indoor air thru hepa micron filter will help, but size of virus and bacteria are significantly different, being virus up to 100x smaller that bacteria. What people often don’t know vater resistant surface like plastic steinless steel and other commonly finable surface around house actually prolong live of virus and possibly bacteria.

Few easy and effective ways to deal with it airborne stuff is UV light, or ozone generator. I remember as a teenager i mabe one ( ozone generator ) very simple electronic circuit. Basically is hole bunch of diod and capasitors cascaded to multiply voltage, i cant remember what was multiplier per se but i remember that one short trip to scrap yard was enough to collect enough material from old discarded CRT tvs. On a very humid nights you could actually see, or i believe that glow coming out at end of circut what what was pointy 14g coper wire.

One day my father’s curiosity got hold of him and touched that copper wire and i’ll tell you that was en of that project.

now that im thinking of it small tesla coli would release some o3, so of you dont need hi fidelity, maybe blue tooth tesla speaker would do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2c7HeWTqNY

#211 NoName on 10.18.18 at 4:39 pm

just small addendum to previous post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee5evlN8Bbs

#212 Stan Brook's Psychiatrist on 10.18.18 at 5:01 pm

#198 Oakville Rocks! on 10.18.18 at 1:52 pm

“Hey SB’s Psychiatrist – lower the dose of the meds, your patient has no perspective or critical faculties left.”

It isn’t the meds. Stanley has had a lobotomy and two rounds of shock treatment. In the last shock treatment, we accidently used double the voltage…. Ooops!

#213 PIMCO will Implode on 10.18.18 at 5:05 pm

PIMCO is doomed if Smoking Man is in their ranks. The biggest melt down of all time is coming…

#214 Overheardyou on 10.18.18 at 5:33 pm

#202 Steven Rowlandson on 10.18.18 at 2:38 pm

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That’s cause no one has their legal weed yet. Those toking up got theirs illegally.

#215 att on 10.19.18 at 6:16 am

I have no interest in smoking the wacky tabaccy, but Garth, give your head a shake…. this blog post cherry picks most of its “facts” and uses them to attack the federal government and build a boogeyman argument with respect to housing. Come on.

#216 onpar on 10.19.18 at 11:20 am

The truth here is that Garth’s generation is losing the cultural war, so to speak. For what the boomers have done, they deserve to have smoke blown in their faces for a while.