Reefer madness

In less than a month a lot of amateur landlords have something other than lousy tenants, vacancies, rent control, bed bugs, condo fees, pets, negative cash flow and people peeing off the balcony to worry about. Weed. It’s coming.

Condo boards across the country, but especially in the urban forests of YVR and the GTA, have been trying to figure out how to deal with a potentially explosive situation. Lawyers are making nice coin drafting new rules and regs that condominium corporations hope will stand up to legal challenges. After all, it’s one thing for the T2 gang to decriminalize the possession and use of cannabis, but it’s another thing entirely when it comes to the impact on residential real estate.

For example, in Ontario the “Cannabis Act, 2017” allows condo occupants who are 19 years or older to (a) grow recreational cannabis in their unit or common element space and (b) grow up to four plants for recreational use per residence or unit (not per occupant, and (c) legally consume cannabis in their residences, just like alcohol.

What a nightmare.

Imagine thousands of condo units where bathrooms or laundry closets are turned into mini weed rooms, using grow tents, grow boxes, special lights and irrigation equipment. Just what high-rise bugs and bacteria and mold love – hot and wet places where the sun never shines. The potential damage to condo units is unknown, and scary. And yet, it’s kosher.

In order to squash the legality of personal grow-ops, condo boards have to draft rules, pass them in a specific fashion, notify all owners then wait for 30 days before they take effect. This week was a big one, therefore. This is the kind of notice just received by thousands of condo dwellers and investors:

No person shall produce, cultivate, grow, tend or harvest any marijuana within a unit or upon the common elements. b) No person shall consume any marijuana, unless the person is a registered medical marijuana consumer pursuant to the Access to Cannabis for Medical Purposes Regulations. A registered patient entitled to consume marijuana within a unit pursuant to a doctor’s prescription based upon medical need and bearing a current government-issued medical marijuana card registered with management shall be accorded special accommodation arrangements, subject to compliance with all governing laws. Notwithstanding Article A 11 hereof, the medical marijuana user shall undertake such modifications to the Occupant’s unit as Management may deem necessary in order to prevent transfer of smoke and odours beyond the unit before usage commences (including any modifications to the mechanical system and installation of any smoke/odour filtering mechanisms as may be appropriate). c) No person using medical marijuana in accordance with this Rule shall cause any nuisance, harm or health hazard to any person or to the unit, other units or the common elements and assets of the Corporation and shall not permit any escape or transmission of nuisance smoke or odour derived from marijuana to emanate from the unit or cause any other consequential nuisance or disturbance to any other Occupant at the Corporation. In the event an Occupant of any another unit complains about escape or transmission of nuisance smoke or odour emanating from the unit, until the Owner of the unit and its Occupant comply with the Rectify Unit Smoke & Nuisance Rule A 11 by sealing and rectifying any leak within the unit and by precluding any nuisance transmission accordingly; until then, no person in the unit shall smoke any marijuana (but may choose to consume edible marijuana to the extent such consumption is not illegal). d) The Corporation’s Representatives may enter a unit wherein it is expected that marijuana is being cultivated or exists, in accordance with s. 19 of the Act and after knocking loudly three times, at any reasonable time during daylight hours, to observe compliance with this Rule and to ensure that no risk of harm, damage, nuisance or disturbance is posed to any person or property.

Some condo corps are also making smoking or vaping in all forms illegal within units, even in buildings where smoking is not permitted. Existing owners are may be ‘grandfathered’ and may have to register as smokers with the condo board. If they sell, that unit is no longer exempt – and becomes a smoke-free space. And weed stinks. Seriously. Try getting that out of the paint in your rental unit.

But while proactive, well-funded condo boards are preparing for the chaos that might ensue after October 17th, most buildings will just roll into the cannabis age with no change. Smelly weed smokers, cannabis cooks, amateur pot farmers and tool-challenged moisters trying to hook up high-wattage lights and irrigation systems in the loo are special little problems society will have to deal with. And good luck trying to evict any loser who’s turning your unit into a ganja den.

Why we needed another way to get stupid is beyond the ken of this pathetic blog. Maybe it’s so nobody notices NAFTA. That would make sense.

187 comments ↓

#1 };-) aka Devil's Advocate on 09.19.18 at 5:13 pm

Like tomatos, cheaper and less trouble to buy it retail… well it should be if the States that have legalized are any indication. But then again… this is Canada. One shop to be open in Kamloops to serve the whole Province on October 17. Good luck with that.

#2 The Wet One on 09.19.18 at 5:13 pm

“Why we needed another way to get stupid is beyond the ken of this pathetic blog. ”

Simply put, it’s stupid and wrong to criminalize things that just about everyone does and damage people’s lives for things that harm practically no one (relatively and practically speaking).

It’s about that simple really.

#3 jmac on 09.19.18 at 5:14 pm

I don’t think a lot will change in terms of usage and who grows. Those who want to smoke already do so, laws or no. Those flunky who wishes to grow in a condo is unlikely to be savvy enough to make it worthwhile; even if they were ambitious enough (unlikely).

People who are serious about growing and actually know about how to do it properly will find an appropriate place, because they know a condo isn’t one. The flunky grower who’s not ambitious is already trying and failing to grow a plant in their closet.

I’ll agree that the thought of it is daunting, but I don’t see hundreds or thousands of personal use plants springing up in condos any time soon.

#4 Drill Baby Drill on 09.19.18 at 5:18 pm

Everything Selfie Boy touches turns into a boondoggle.

#5 Guy in Calgary on 09.19.18 at 5:18 pm

The fear with respect to this legislation is overblown bordering on comical.

Yes people will be growing plants in their home. You can also brew beer in your home. Who cares. Yes pot smells. So does curie. Who cares.

I also think the amount of people growing their own will be incredibly limited as competition continues to lower the price. It is much cheaper now to get good quality stuff without the hassle of setting up lights and irrigation (which isn’t even necessary).

Fear mongering from those that do not understand. That is the reaction with anything new throughout history. All I have to say about this legislation is “it’s about damn time.”

#6 Ron on 09.19.18 at 5:19 pm

The law never deterred anyone so nothing will change come October..
No one will spend $$$ setting up a condo garden for x times more than they’ll pay for retail.

#7 jmac on 09.19.18 at 5:20 pm

I would add – weed does indeed stink, but if smoked it will clear out within hours. It’s not cigarette smoke. It doesn’t stick to clothes, carpet, furniture. The growing plants stink as well, but the same rules follow.

What DOES stink and what will stick around is the mold from the wet potting soil and plants, if the growing area is not ventilated properly and humidity is too high. The same could be said for most plants.

Just thought I’d clear that up. Yes there will be people who try and home grow, they will be few and far between; and unlikely to do it again once they realize the knowledge and effort output is beyond their means.

#8 timoftrees on 09.19.18 at 5:28 pm

THANKS, Garth!

Let’s try finding employees able to work safely in physical and safety-demanding jobs. Pot and Driving. Grow ops abound. The unemployed pot-head next door smoking weed in front of your kids, every day. I want to scream! At what point do we stop – what indulgence, that promises to derail us socially, economically, productively… is too much?

I grew up in an economically marginized neighbourhood. Totally white/native-trash, free-dog pack running, no-sewer system sh*thole. Welfare, booze, weed, oxy… you name the vice. It was all there.

No one (parents included) could avoid the pitfalls of white trashness. Now, we are taking Weed and implicitly condoning it- the government is selling it – Trudeau, our Prime Minister, champions it.

So, we’ve added another hurdle – another trap for people to fall into.

Wow, yeah, that’s great. Smart move.

#9 Keith in Rio on 09.19.18 at 5:28 pm

Garth has been watching Reefer Madness too much again.

Whst fo you think all the users have been doing for the last 60+ years eh ?

There’s been no need for regulations or anything else.

Nothing will change…….except the dinosaurs will die with a cigarette butt and beer bottle in hand.

Heh…..

#10 TheSpangler on 09.19.18 at 5:30 pm

I think a lot less people will grow than you think, why go through all that hassle, when you can go buy primo stuff easily, way better than the skunk most people will end up growing themselves.

#11 Reefer Madness!!! on 09.19.18 at 5:31 pm

I too would be upset if I failed to invest, and or understand the subject. So much money to be made with just a little research and having an open mind wouldn’t hurt either.

Where were you in the 90’s with all the leaky condos sprouting up in the 604 with rubber stamp approvals. Talk about enormous cost to the owners.

Now Get Off My Lawn!!!

Weed stocks share a lot in common with Bitcoin. Be careful. – Garth

#12 S.Bby on 09.19.18 at 5:31 pm

And how about those marijuana stocks eh? To the moon Alice, to the moon !

#13 Jungle on 09.19.18 at 5:35 pm

Talk to any pot head growing successfully is a HUGE pain, and not worth the time.

Especially when you can just order online or pick up at the store, quality and prices likely to be cheap enough sp there is little incentive to grow
Your own other than having it for hobbie.

A lot of people don’t smoke weed so this is going to be a very small issue.

#14 crdt on 09.19.18 at 5:36 pm

Is it possible to create laws that contradict government laws?

The biggest push for legalization was because the laws ruined otherwise totally productive lives needlessly. It put people who basically consume the equivalent of alcohol into criminals.

Why don’t we criminalize masturbation next because everyone does it, and we can ensnare everyone into criminality, virtue signal against them to our hearts content?

If you drink, you are a criminal period.

#15 Jungle on 09.19.18 at 5:39 pm

Never bought weed stocks but those who did made a killing, take our profits and rebalance into something long term like vgro.to

#16 Tim Vandergrift on 09.19.18 at 5:40 pm

Self-correcting problem, Garth: weed prices in Colorado have fallen so hard it’s mind-boggling. Nobody who was growing for off-the-books profit does so any longer and it’s cheaper–vastly cheaper–to buy legal weed than at any other time in history.

#17 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.19.18 at 5:45 pm

I used to smoke pot casually for a few years. Quit years ago. Didnt like being lazy.
Stuff now is way way way more potent than the crap i smoked.
Should be interesting watching parents give their kids lectures about the perils of dope smoking while they haul away on a govt store bought doobie.

I’d say in 25 years the average intelligence of parents and their newborn children should be somewhere around the equivalent of an inbred hillbillie from the Ozarks.
Oh well, guess thats why they’ll have video games to keep them amused and insulin shots to keep them alive long enough to eat more potato chips and coke.

Trudeau ….the Head of the Idiocracy Party

#18 Doug t on 09.19.18 at 5:48 pm

LMAO people – I vape pot NO smelly – crikey research ?

RATM

#19 rs on 09.19.18 at 5:51 pm

I am a renter and I smoke weed in my unit (to lazy to grow it though). If they want to kick me out, cool, there are 100s of other places to rent in Calgary. Its a huge benefit of renting, if the condo board has dumb rules you do not have to follow them. The place I live now gave me a 200 page booklet of rules, I never read a word.

Renting is so sweet. My fridge was making a funny sound the other day, so I got them to replace it. My dishwasher stopped draining and 1 phone call at 48hours, I had a new one.

Rent in Calgary is cheap, there are tons of units, and if the unit was bought in the last decade its likely the landlord is subsidizing rent. Ill have parties, leave with just 30 days notice, and have 0 care in the world about the unit. I consider my landlord my worker bee who goes around fixing shit.

Prices in Calgary could drop another 50% and I would still rent. I don’t got time to worry about condo boards and preventative maintenance. Given the crazy returns the last decade in equities, I am certain I am better off financially anyway.

#20 joblo on 09.19.18 at 5:52 pm

“Why we needed another way to get stupid is beyond the ken of this pathetic blog. ”

I’ll take a stab at it, so as to decipher the babble that spews for T2 mouth like what he said in that pathetic Macleans video interview.

Huh what?

#21 AGuyInVancouver on 09.19.18 at 5:52 pm

#4 Guy in Calgary on 09.19.18 at 5:18 pm
The fear with respect to this legislation is overblown bordering on comical.

Yes people will be growing plants in their home. You can also brew beer in your home. Who cares. Yes pot smells. So does curie. Who cares.

I also think the amount of people growing their own will be incredibly limited as competition continues to lower the price. It is much cheaper now to get good quality stuff without the hassle of setting up lights and irrigation (which isn’t even necessary).

Fear mongering from those that do not understand. That is the reaction with anything new throughout history. All I have to say about this legislation is “it’s about damn time.”
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Get real. The stench from pot being smoked next door is like a skunk going off beside you. The sooner stratas ban all kinds of smoking the better, it is gross.

#22 Lawnboy on 09.19.18 at 5:52 pm

Hey Garth!!!

Remember 1981(ish)….we had the same reaction to the waterbed fad. Talk about a liability to a landlord, drywall mould etc in the event of a breach!

And what about all those Mateus bottles with candles burning through the night, who does that today?

And where are they now?
Like the U brews, slinky, lava lamps, fondue sets.
They’ve all foulded like a cheap hat.

Not for you to worry Garth, moneys gona come buddy.

#23 Don on 09.19.18 at 5:58 pm

You can take the Garth out of the Conservatives but not the Conservatives out of Garth. Sad.

#24 akashic record on 09.19.18 at 5:59 pm

Was there any problem in condos, buildings before criminalizing it?

#25 Stan Brooks on 09.19.18 at 6:06 pm

Weed is something that could help when US pharmaceuticals cancel preferred pricing for brand name drugs sold in Canada.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/canadian-officials-mulling-attack-u-s-pharma-says-ottawa-lawyer-165038690.html

Add that to the skyrocketing food prices and increasing taxes.
I think 5 graders have more maturity than this group of individuals that manages our affairs.

Apparently protecting high diary prices (so we can stay thin and fit) outweighs the coming loss of auto manufacturing and access to drugs.
Oh, I forgot, ‘affordable’ here means expensive.
As are the ‘affordable’ $ 2 million houses in Vaughan and Mississauga.

NAFTA is over in my mind,
after 13 months of negotiations with 10 days left until the auto tariffs deadline this is what we got:

Trudeau urges some U.S. flexibility in NAFTA, talks seen slow

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/canada-wants-see-flexibility-nafta-talks-u-163214598–finance.html

#26 Bezengy on 09.19.18 at 6:08 pm

The one thing I find interesting is how our governments assume we can keep out foreign competition out of the cannabis sector. I thought we were busy seeking a free trade agreement?, or NAFTA as we call it now. So is our government once again going to try to squash imports by having a bunch of rules they hope no one can abide by? Good luck. Probably doesn’t matter anyway as most supply will continue to come from illegal sources, just like tobacco does now.

#27 KLNR on 09.19.18 at 6:12 pm

this guy makes the great points

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/briefing/article-gutting-nafta-why-a-scotiabank-economist-says-canada-should-be/

#28 Non-Event on 09.19.18 at 6:15 pm

This “fear of the weed in your condo” topic is a non event.
It’s like fearing everyone brewing beer in their bathroom, “cause beer is legal now”. Nobody but enthusiasts do it, because it’s much simpler and quicker to go to a liquor store to buy it.
Make beer ‘illegal’ and then you will see people brewing en masse in their homes.
The whole idea that everyone is going to run out to buy expensive grow-op equipment to grow 4 plants is a bit ridiculous.
As far as the smell from the smoke, everybody vapes the stuff now – there is no smell (or very, very, little) when vaped…

#29 Ricky from Sunnyvale Trailer Park on 09.19.18 at 6:16 pm

#8 Keith in Rio on 09.19.18 at 5:28 pm
“Garth has been watching Reefer Madness too much again. What do you think all the users have been doing for the last 60+ years eh ?”

Bingo! Back in the day, half the corn fields in the rural area where I grew up had weed growing in between the corn rows….

#30 Steven Rowlandson on 09.19.18 at 6:20 pm

Garth this change in government policy in favour of Pot use strikes me as going too far and is out of character for government.
Is it the quest for revenue enhancement that is driving this?

#31 Landlord Larry on 09.19.18 at 6:21 pm

#18 rs

“I consider my landlord my worker bee who goes around fixing shit.”

Glad you are not one of my tenants….

#32 Weedwacker on 09.19.18 at 6:22 pm

Smokin and tokin in your condo may not be the only problem sock boy and his flunkies have overlooked.
If you like to travel to the US, you may be questioned at the border and refused entry if you work in the weed industry. Warehouse, retail, investor, casual smoker, Govt liquor store clerk selling weed, weed store owner, truck delivering it, manufacture of agricultural weed gear etc .It goes on and on. Several publicly known major investors already turned back at US border entry points. Example of Wash state and BC , both legal as of Oct 17 but US border entry point is Federal and weed is illegal substance in US, on that ground
As in the new era of Trudeau actions, lawyers will be kings

#33 Stan Brooks on 09.19.18 at 6:22 pm

The dangers from second hand exposure to weed.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-effects-secondhand-exposure-to-marijuana-smoke

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-and-kids-2018060514012

https://no-smoke.org/secondhand-marijuana-smoke-fact-sheet/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/03/19/592873218/are-there-risks-from-secondhand-marijuana-smoke-early-science-says-yes?t=1537395368100

It seems the liberals did not consult a single doctor before legalizing the consumption of a dangerous sustenance. Oops, I forgot, they/the doctors/ are all tax cheats and ideological enemies.

You can’t get drunk by living next to an alcoholic, but you can get high and stupid-er by having a weed smoker as a neighbor.

Imagine the lawsuits. No problem, liberals will make them tax cheats as well. Shaping the herd to match the intellectual capabilities of its leaders.

#34 confused on 09.19.18 at 6:23 pm

Buy Nabisco stock.
(oreos)

#35 Chaddywack on 09.19.18 at 6:28 pm

“Representatives may enter a unit wherein it is expected that marijuana is being cultivated or exists, in accordance with s. 19 of the Act and after knocking loudly three times”

KNOCK….KNOCK….KNOCK….

“Dave’s not here!”

#36 Jeff on 09.19.18 at 6:29 pm

Without NAFTA Canada is going to crater.

#37 espressobob on 09.19.18 at 6:29 pm

It’s one thing to decriminalize pot offences and wasting the courts time, taxpayers coin and another making a mind numbing drug legal.

This BS is leap forward to what end?

#38 Jonathan on 09.19.18 at 6:32 pm

#4 Guy in Calgary on 09.19.18 at 5:18 pm
The fear with respect to this legislation is overblown bordering on comical.

Yes people will be growing plants in their home. You can also brew beer in your home. Who cares. Yes pot smells. So does curie. Who cares.

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I would have to disagree here, at least on the food part. The heavier spices like curry (cumin, turmeric, cardamom, gloves, etc) either has a lasting scent or stains your clothes. If an occupant is cooking these heavily-scented food on a regular basis, that smell does permeate into the walls and you cannot get rid of it easily/cheaply. Same goes for frying foods (the smell of stale oil) or cigarette smoke.

If you’re a fan of that type of cuisine, or don’t have a sensitive sense of smell, then yeah sure it’s not a problem. However I think for most people (generalizing here of course) we would rather go out for these strong-smelling foods where it’s made in a commercial setting (or someone else’s home haha) so we don’t have to stink up our own place.

#39 Law School Millenial on 09.19.18 at 6:35 pm

Why is it legal for female teachers to go naked on school property in Toronto, for pet owners to have s*x with their pets as long as it’s not penetrative,
and legal for weirdos to sunbathe naked on condo roofs, but a screwed Millenial incel like myself with nothing to lose and nothing to gain is not allowed to smoke some weed or eat pot brownies in my own basement apartment?

#40 Damifino on 09.19.18 at 6:37 pm

Why we needed another way to get stupid is beyond the ken of this pathetic blog.
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The PM himself has come up with yet another way to be stupid. It’s this:

Present yourself at an American port of entry believing you have rights, recourse, or that the principles of fair play and common sense are in effect.

I read where T2 said cannabis will soon be legal in both Washington State and British Columbia so harmony will soon prevail at least between those jurisdictions.

Triple stupid. He should know better. The American border is the entrance to the USA, not to any state.

#41 Stan Brooks on 09.19.18 at 6:37 pm

#26 KLNR on 09.19.18 at 6:12 pm
this guy makes the great points

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/briefing/article-gutting-nafta-why-a-scotiabank-economist-says-canada-should-be/

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Great points?

Think for a moment with your own brains.

https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/CAN/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/all/

We export to US $ 300 billions out of $ 390 billions total exports, 75 % of it.

Dissolving NAFTA will jeopardize most of these exports if not all of it.

Plus our retaliatory tariffs will make stuff like imported food more expensive to Canadian consumers.
Strawberries from California at $ 10 CAD per pound? Sure, where would you import them otherwise from, from Europe with airplanes?

We benefit a lot from it/NAFTA thanks primarily to cheaper labour, we also have some goodies like open working visas for US. Do you think Mexicans can enter US pretty much freely like us? Do you believe that this entitlement will last if NAFTA is gone?

We can not find alternatives for these exports elsewhere as they are not competitive internationally. Period. Who is going to buy ‘our’ cars. Germany? Japan?

I would also be very worried if I was investor having RRSP in stocks/ETFs on NYSE, currently there is no dividend taxation for Canadian holders, now imagine a sudden tax of 35 % on that, how would you feel?

#42 Suede on 09.19.18 at 6:37 pm

Garth touches on weed the same day Tilray hits the moon.

Coincidence?

Man – wouldn’t want to be a landlord with a condo right now….

#43 MF on 09.19.18 at 6:40 pm

The legalization of weed was a political move that had zero thought other than “the losers of society will vote for it”.

And it worked. How sad.

Even though it’s known to cause brain damage/hinder brain development for anyone under 25, hinder brain development in babies before birth, make people lazy, and is a gateway drug, I guess we can say legalization has some positives:

-Tax smokers at 50%. The revenue will help with deficits and weed smokers are addicted (like all drug addicts) anyways so they will pay whatever tax is added.
-Absenteeism by weed smokers will now be out in the open like it is for alcoholics, with similar negative connotations of character drawing similar necessary repercussions. Right now they usually try to hide it, blaming absenteeism and laziness on other things.
-Drug dealers hopefully will be put out of business and actually have to contribute to society.

MF

#44 IHCTD9 on 09.19.18 at 6:45 pm

#22 Don on 09.19.18 at 5:58 pm

You can take the Garth out of the Conservatives but not the Conservatives out of Garth. Sad

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Plenty of lefty’s think smoking weed is dumb.

Especially those working in the medical, psychology, social work, corrections, and law enforcement fields.

#45 Eco Capitalist on 09.19.18 at 6:46 pm

@ #4 Guy in Calgary

Yes people will be growing plants in their home. You can also brew beer in your home. Who cares. Yes pot smells. So does curie. Who cares.

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It’s the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste stink and every time I do, I fear that I’ve somehow been infected by it.

Agent Smith, the Matrix

#46 Vision on 09.19.18 at 6:46 pm

I believe once it is legal and readily available, more people will be smoking pot. This is just the beginning.
Unless it is too costly.

#47 MF on 09.19.18 at 6:49 pm

#1 The Wet One on 09.19.18 at 5:13 pm

Hey pal, your assertion that “nearly everyone smokes weed” is disgusting and offensive. The rest of us now have to inhabit this earth and breath the air weed smokers pollute with the drug.

Remember us?

Anyways, this comment is telling. How arrogant of MJ smokers to not understand the rest of us have: 1) no desire to get high because we can function in society without it 2) no desire for the potential for brain damage 3) no desire to inhale garbage into our lungs.

Simply unbelievable how obnoxious this minority group of drug addicts in society is.

MF

#48 Asterix1 on 09.19.18 at 6:54 pm

Most will buy their weed, not grow it. Why bother growing it? Endless varieties at different price points, nice and easy.

Yes, some weed is stronger than before. Just like you can find some beers that are stronger % wise than in the past in Canada.

You can also find lots of weed that is less strong than the past. There is such a mix out there, the customer has lots of choice on what is needed for the occasion. Pain/sleep/fun etc..

#49 Yorkville Renter on 09.19.18 at 6:54 pm

Smelly weed smokers, cannabis cooks, amateur pot farmers and tool-challenged moisters trying to hook up high-wattage lights and irrigation systems in the loo are special little problems society will have to deal with

This post is pure reefer madness…

How about cigars?
His about cooking curry or eating durian?
High wattage lamps? hydro would skewer them, people use LEDs now.

Life will go on… nothing dramatic will change.

#50 Alessio on 09.19.18 at 6:55 pm

Surprised u didn’t bring up the pooched people who bought the second Vaughan condo building to be cancelled today. Icona. #Purepooched. But then again aren’t we all?

#51 Deevo on 09.19.18 at 6:56 pm

There will likely be a rush to have a little hobby grow at first but the daily tending that is required will make people grow tired of their hobby quickly and many will give it up by crop 2 (if they even harvest a crop 1).

Hobby farmers typically utilize dirt as well as an irrigation system is beyond their level of engineering skills.

It’s just the same as anyone who has four medium sized plants in their house right now. That whole mold and bug baloney is just fear mongering.

And there are primarily two reasons that drugs should be legal for humans to consume:

1) They are human beings and should be able to do whatever they want with their body and anyone who says differently should go fly a kit;

2) There will always be consumption. Stop pretending like all the money wasted on police, courts, and jails is going to good use. Legalize and let the production happen in Canada and the distribution etc be legal so the industry pays taxes.

#52 MF on 09.19.18 at 6:57 pm

“Weed stocks share a lot in common with Bitcoin. Be careful. – Garth”

-Don’t forget Pets.com and Nortel. Both future leaders in the new industries of internet and telecommunications!

Aurora, Canopy, Tilray…Buy buy buy while you can! They are the future!

MF

#53 Xpat on 09.19.18 at 6:57 pm

The movie Idiocracy is so prophetic that it will one day be as revered as the novel 1985 is for it’s accuracy.

#54 Deevo on 09.19.18 at 6:58 pm

And… if amateur landlords need another reason to finally learn that it is likely not worth their time… here ya go!

#55 Smartalox on 09.19.18 at 7:01 pm

With 30 days to go, there are probably a lot of Condo boards that will be copying and pasting the contents into their bylaws.

Enforcement, however, that will be a different thing entirely.

#56 martin87 on 09.19.18 at 7:01 pm

Hey Blog Dogs,

Just wondering…are there any USD denominated equity ETFs out there that are worth looking at?

Thanks!

#57 Reality is stark on 09.19.18 at 7:01 pm

It should help your kids sleep well at night. If the people next door can smoke enough dope on the balcony next door you may be the fortunate recipient of enough second hand reefer to medicate your babies.
What parent would not be thrilled?
Society is evolving in such progressive fashion.
We have consensual non-menogamous relationships. We have child support rules enforced even when it is not your child.
Thank goodness taxes are rising to keep people from starting businesses and reduce our competitiveness.
With 78% of wealth tied up in real estate and real estate depreciating this can only add to enormous GDP growth going forward.
The USA owes us a great NAFTA deal because we are so progressive.

#58 Smartalox on 09.19.18 at 7:04 pm

Also worth noting re: smoke and Strata rules:

There are all kinds of limits on smoking cigarettes and cannabis, but surprisingly few have limitations on smoking meats, or smoke emanating from BBQs.

#59 the ryguy on 09.19.18 at 7:04 pm

This will be a total disaster, hopefully every condo unit has an iron clad “no farms in here you filthy animals” tenancy agreement with automatic eviction.

Whats the point of making weed legal and having all the legislation when they are going to turn around and say “sure grow enough for yourself”.

I can already see the excuses “well I smoke more than most people..thats not really 5 plants, its only 4 thats actually a seedling that died…oh that was my roommates but he moved out we didnt want to risk moving the plants, oh my friends place doesnt allow growing so we figured I could grow his here its the same difference right?”

To those astute blog dogs that point it its not economically efficient to grow your own…congratulations you are probably in the top quarter of intelligence. The bottom half of this country however will only learn this after trying it out for themselves.

When I lived in Kelowna I remember it was a really big deal trying to find out if a place was a “grow-show” when considering a property. Now thats going to be spread across the whole effin country. To those that say “well the law didnt really stop anyone from smoking before”..ok apply that same logic to growing enough “for personal use”.

This should be a nice boon for all the homebuilders out there. By 2021 they will have a variation of the same slogan “buy a new build..atleast you can guarantee no one grew pot here”.

#60 Linda on 09.19.18 at 7:05 pm

‘The Wet One’ -‘Everyone’ does not smoke pot, or even smoke regular cigarettes for that matter. Association with those who do smoke does not translate to universal usage. As for regulating the cultivation of marijuana or smoking indoors, would not the rules currently in place regarding designated smoking areas & smoke free environments apply? After all, there are plenty of people who have medical conditions that are aggravated by smoke/scent/chemicals; if a work place can require that employees smoke only in designated spaces & not wear perfume/cologne as it makes coworkers ill I can’t see why marijuana would get a pass. Medical use or no, if a building system has an automated sprinkler system that will be triggered by smoke indoors I doubt an employee who chooses to toke indoors will find a sympathetic ear. And I can’t wait to hear about the first case of trying to smoke one’s joint on an airplane, because I’ve no doubt someone will try to do exactly that under the guise of ‘medical’ need.

Condos usually come with rules. Some examples I’ve read about ban or regulate unit rentals, type & number of pets, children, overnight guests etc. Some have even regulated the very height of vegetation for outdoor planting spaces & woe betide the condo unit whose vegetation exceeds the height limit. Seems to me that if condos have been able to legally do all this regulation & banning previously that they should be able to regulate or ban marijuana as well. Ditto for landlords.

#61 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 09.19.18 at 7:05 pm

A continuation of the cooling trend persists. August marked the sixth consecutive month that the overall sales volume for the Central Okanagan has been lower than last year. 449 units sold in August compared to 591 units a year earlier (-24% drop).

Prices continue to hold steady for all categories (single-family/condos/townhouses) and up year over year +7-8%. Downward pressure on pricing typically occurs when the days on market lengthen. Days on market remain the same year over year at an average of 60 days for all categories.

Bank of Canada Rate Announcement: Making no changes, the Bank of Canada has decided to hold it’s benchmark rate still at 1.5%. According to the Bank, the economy is performing as expected despite uncertainty with NAFTA. There is however, speculation that the Bank will likely be increasing it’s benchmark rate come next rate announcement, some say as much as an 85% certainty. The next Bank of Canada rate announcement is set to take place October 24th, 2018.

#62 Shawn on 09.19.18 at 7:08 pm

The S&P500 over real estate as an investment any day. This will be a gong show.

#63 Danny on 09.19.18 at 7:09 pm

And yet Conservative Ernie Eaves….and Ex Toronto police chief Julian Fantino….are now the new drug vendors.
Going to make millions selling the stuff.

Isn’t great how the smell of money can change even the seniors…..in their new found career.

So much for standing by old conservative political values and policy by such folks….when pot got people arrested.
Maybe even “The False Common Sense Revolution”…slogan Ontario Premier, Mike Harris will help his old friends Ernie and Fantino to get some pot money.

Guess these pioneers will pave the way for Ontario Premier “Tricky Dougie “……when he messes up the Province like he did Toronto City Hall…with his dysfunctional brother Rob.

But in the Ford case…..they used pot and more.

Known fact by neighborhood residents…..and my relatives near the Ford family.

But now it’s legal….will Tricky Dougie ever publicly thank the Liberals?

Cigarette smoke in multiple units building is a problem anyway…so thanks…..if new condo regulations stop all kinds of smoke.

#64 Wrk.dover on 09.19.18 at 7:24 pm

I was in a GTA collegiate when it arrived at high schools in volume in 67. I watched many people accumulate criminal records since then, complicating their lives in unexpected ways. I’ve also watched many chronic users slide into being incredibly lazy characters, harmlessly.

I have never seen anybody act out aggressively on it, or get hurt using equipment all fired up either.

It is pretty gutsy to make it as legal as the new laws roll, but it was too illegal as the status quo still has it today.

If somebody has to keep the grocery store floors clean, that person might as well have a buzz on to make the shift go by. It allegedly makes the most mundane of tasks interesting, if not down right exiting.

Maybe not the air traffic controller or prime minister though.

I do sympathise with the assault this change has on your sensibilities Garth, you live long enough you are bound to see some crazy developments unfold.

Maybe it will be like the Ontario law permitting topless women….no one will participate in taking advantage of this new legal opportunity either!

#65 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 09.19.18 at 7:31 pm

I guess hash oil in the vape stick comes next. Step out onto the balcony, take one hit, then you are done.

#66 Nonplused on 09.19.18 at 7:40 pm

Why would anyone want to grow their own pot once it’s legal? The whole point of growing your own pot is because it is illegal and thus hard to obtain. Nobody grows their own tobacco and that product is heavily taxed, which would give people incentive to grow their own.

Once pot is legal the cigarette companies are going to totally take over the market. They have the equipment, distribution networks, experience, relations with farmers, everything they need. All they have to do is tell the farmers how much of the crop should be planted pot instead of tobacco. Done deal. Now you won’t even have to roll your own, it’ll be just like buying a pack of smokes.

PS this is another good reason not to buy marijuana stocks. They are going to be about as successful as TESLA. Bringing a new plant into the mix isn’t going to be any more groundbreaking than bringing a new car into the mix. The existing players will still be the biggest players.

I also don’t understand the hate against vape. It is much less obnoxious than cigarette smoke or pot smoke. It doesn’t stain the walls. Other people near by can hardly smell it if they can smell it at all. It seems to be a great advancement in the administration of nicotine and probably will be for THC as well. I mean they also have Nicorettes and Nicorette spray and I am sure they will also get in on the THC thing. (Why wouldn’t they? Don’t know what they will call it though. “Micorettes”? I’m sure they have people working on it.) But the point is some people smoke for the flavor and the ritual, not just the addiction, so vape is a better replacement from that aspect. “A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth” or something like that.

Anyway, to reiterate my point, the legalization of pot is likely to be a big nothing-burger when it comes to real estate. It will end up being just like alcohol and tobacco. Nobody is burning down their condos because the still exploded. Nobody is growing tobacco in the bathroom. These behaviors happen when things are made illegal. When legal, the market moves production to it’s most economic production technique and this will not be basement hydroponics. Why they even bothered to address this in the law is beyond me. Is there a law about how many tobacco plants I can grow in my bathtub? It’s irrelevant.

I think the fear comes from the same part of the human brain that makes trading so difficult: we extrapolate the past into the future, and what we remember from the past is houses being totally ruined by grow-ops. But those grow-ops only existed because marijuana was illegal, and thus highly scarce. Nobody turns a house into a tobacco grow-op, and they aren’t going to be turning houses into pot grow-ops anymore either. They won’t be able to compete with the farmers in BC and southern Ontario.

Now if only we could deal with the opioid crisis. It seems like the man-made chemicals are far harder to deal with than anything mother nature throws at us. I would not be in favor of legalizing something like crystal meth, even though people do actually blow up a condo from time to time cooking that stuff. Maybe legalizing pot will reduce demand for meth, so it might turn out to be a good thing.

(PPS meth is also basically legal, it’s in your cough syrup. The amount is strictly regulated though and it is also why the bottle says “only so much per day, and not more than so many days”. Every drug is legal if a doctor administers it in a controlled fashion even morphine. Except of course THC which is why I am in favor of legalization. Criminalizing anything except the big 10 just makes more criminals. But that said I think regulation will be important, no toking and driving for example. You can use it, but don’t be an idiot.)

#67 Dolce Vita on 09.19.18 at 7:46 pm

“Mama is not chopped liver.”

“Sisters in trade, smiley-face emojis, hugs.”

“Taking on the Tyrant” panel, smile while Trump compared to Xi, Putin and Bashar al-Assad. “They are pissed.” – West Wing.

“Canadians expect their government and their representatives to stand up clearly for Canadian values and defend Canadian’s interests.” -Trudeau.

– – – – – – – – – – – – –

…we’re finished as a Nation.

#68 Tony on 09.19.18 at 7:48 pm

Re: #15 Jungle on 09.19.18 at 5:39 pm

The short sellers up in Canada will make the killing. Just don’t short the wrong one when the dominoes start to fall. The lesser zombie companies will amalgamate in Canada before filing for bankruptcy.

#69 arfmoocat on 09.19.18 at 7:50 pm

With the Tilray Gong Show today there was lots of media, but this is a good one.

Retail investors in Canadian cannabis are ‘buying air’

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/19/retail-investors-in-canadian-cannabis-are-buying-air-analyst-says.html

#70 akashic record on 09.19.18 at 7:57 pm

So many anti-plant, marijuana-phobic deplorable, promoting tribal intolerance, discrimination and division in society, projecting their own fear and panic from an unjustly criminalized, marginalized, innocent plant, that never killed anyone, based on the different look, smell and medical abilities.

#71 islander on 09.19.18 at 7:58 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

Decriminalize

#72 P on 09.19.18 at 8:10 pm

Regs like this will be challenged. And they should be. Many people will be consuming pre made edibles so no damage whatsoever to property via smoke. So outright consumption ban is poorly worded (smoke should be regulated the same as cigs though).

As for odour, are you kidding me? If you’ve ever lived in an apartment building you know about the shared smells. Can we ban people from cooking curry because I don’t like the smell? I lived on one floor that always smelled like fish. Cmon.
(Nothing against curry by the way. Keep that stank going and you might find me sniffing outside your door for some leftovers).

#73 akashic record on 09.19.18 at 8:12 pm

#64 Wrk.dover

Maybe not the air traffic controller or prime minister though.

On CBC this morning:

TTC subway operator taking medical marijuana as pain relief, was placed to different position.

She can go back to the train if she switches back to opioid.

#74 Mattl on 09.19.18 at 8:16 pm

The move towards legalization is a win for landlords. Black market pot is dead – if you can by a bag down the street at a clean, regulated shop why buy from a local dealer. No one does, most growers have gone out of business. Why would anyone light up there closet to grow dirt weed when quality pot is so cheap and easy to get? Makes about as much sense as distilling your own whisky. End result will be far less homes getting ruined by growers.

And you’re showing your age Garth, lots of younger executives and business leaders that like a puff like they like a scotch or glass of wine. I’d bet a lot of money you are surrounded with people that smoke, eat or vape pot, I think you’d be amazed.

Age has nothing to do with standards. – Garth

#75 TurnerNation on 09.19.18 at 8:24 pm

Right on cue a post from a nonna: Thatsa a nice blog you got there. Would be shame if something happened to it.

#76 espressobob on 09.19.18 at 8:36 pm

Most of us divide our time and enjoy a pint or two or a few shots of whatever. Rare occasions.

Promoting a lifestyle of drug addiction like Justin is doing accomplishes nothing.

I have a serious issue with pot legalization and the fentanyl crisis that is continuous. People die from this shit every day.

One bad habit leads to another, none are productive.

God help us.

#77 Ace Goodheart on 09.19.18 at 8:38 pm

Maybe if they’re going to change some laws, they could change the old prohibition era law that says I can be arrested and fined for cracking a beer whilst sitting on the beach on a hot summer day.

Whenever I return from Europe I get to re learn Ontario’s beyond stupid liquor laws.

I mean seriously who am I harming by having a cold one on the beach?

I could walk down the path and across the grass to the licenced patio and drink beer till I psssed out.

That is perfectly legal.

But having a beer on the beach, a stone’s throw from the patio, can get me arrested, even if I’m not drunk, had only one beer and recycle the can afterwards?

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

#78 KLNR on 09.19.18 at 8:43 pm

@#44 IHCTD9 on 09.19.18 at 6:45 pm
#22 Don on 09.19.18 at 5:58 pm

You can take the Garth out of the Conservatives but not the Conservatives out of Garth. Sad

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Plenty of lefty’s think smoking weed is dumb.

Especially those working in the medical, psychology, social work, corrections, and law enforcement fields.
__________________________
smoking weed is about as dumb as drinking booze.
such a non issue.

#79 AJ on 09.19.18 at 8:50 pm

Garth – chillll man…you’re harshing the mellow.

Pot doesn’t seep into fabrics/surfaces the way cigarette smoke does.

Smoke is smoke. Your lungs know that. – Garth

#80 Shawn Allen on 09.19.18 at 8:54 pm

Who Would Bother to Grow Their Own?

#66 Nonplused on 09.19.18 at 7:40 pm
Why would anyone want to grow their own pot once it’s legal?

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For all the reasons in your post I agree 100%.

#81 Doug t on 09.19.18 at 8:56 pm

#49 Yorkville renter

That comment was dope

RATM

#82 Shawn Allen on 09.19.18 at 8:57 pm

Weed and Apartments / Condos

Dare I say it sounds like another reason to want your own detached single family home? Where you can smoke weed if you want or (mostly) avoid weeds smells from your neighbors.

#83 ET on 09.19.18 at 9:01 pm

On What Planet by Ken Rexroth.

Yes, that describes this is. The fact that Canadians are going to be shocked when they are refused border crossings or jailed (if they bring their stash with them) shows what too much publicly imbibed stupidity can do. Pot is not a natural substance, it has been altered by science so much that it should be a controlled substance/medicine. If we smart we would have a government that leads, not brings us down into the lowest common denominator/rhetoric. But I guess it is different here, like Saturn.

#84 DON on 09.19.18 at 9:02 pm

‘Weed is a gateway drug.’

If weed is a gateway drug I should have gateway to opium and cocaine…never tried either of those.

Ever heard of fetal alcohol syndrome…FFS!

The HEAVY users of weed I know of, only consume minimal alcohol if any at all. Weed and alcohol are not married like the horse and carriage. Cigarettes smoke lingers and pot flushes away. Cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal.

Who in their right mind would smoke weed right in front of their kids…I do know people who get drunk around their kids…lots of people do that.

Growing four plants…no mold other than normal household pants. 4 pants…4 not an entire grow room. Grow light one 120 electric ballast or Led lights as one poster mentioned. Low electricity and low heat. Ventilation for 4 plants – open the window and burn incense. Water system for 4 plants – hand held watering jug. No weed smell in paint…but cigarette smoke on the other hand.

People already smoke and use weed products…you would be surprised who smokes it.

Absenteeism from work (like alcohol) what? Alcohol needs to be elected off…weed a meal and orange juice and the buzz is gone…yes should not drive e a car under any influence or distraction.

RIP common sense.

Grow your own…not for the lazy people easier to buy …like alcohol.

No weed or alcohol or any other drug should be consumed or be present while in the company of children.

Alcohol should be illegal then…look at all the problems with alcohol related abuse.

Stocks are worth more than the current market…be careful..speculation abound.

I would much rarer be a music festival full of weed users than angry aggressive alcoholics.

When they start up Weed anonymous meetings…maybe we might have a problem on our hands. CAN you imagine the conversation at one of those meetings. “I’m not sure what came over me but I ate all the snacks in the house and the kids got made”.

Weed is not for everyone – makes some paranoid etc. THEN DON’t do it.

CROWDED…YOU can smoke sativa it will not make you lazy…it’s the opposite affect.

Cheers.

#85 Andrewt on 09.19.18 at 9:03 pm

espressobob on 09.19.18 at 8:36 pm
Most of us divide our time and enjoy a pint or two or a few shots of whatever. Rare occasions.

Promoting a lifestyle of drug addiction like Justin is doing accomplishes nothing.

I have a serious issue with pot legalization and the fentanyl crisis that is continuous. People die from this shit every day.

One bad habit leads to another, none are productive.

God help us.
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How on Earth did you jump ahead to “promoting a drug addicted lifestyle”? That’s an absurd exaggeration.

And by the way, the opioid crisis began with legal pharmaceutical companies developing OxyContin and it’s ilk, and doctors overprescribing.

#86 crdt on 09.19.18 at 9:13 pm

#33 Stan Brooks

“The dangers from second hand exposure to weed.”

The real danger is the IQ damage from reading posts like the above. I guess there goes your health and safety, sorry, you had a great healthy and safe run, sorry, times change.

#87 Weed or not on 09.19.18 at 9:15 pm

I don’t understand why Garth cannot see the conservative case to legalize weed. There is no way governments can stop drug use no matter how much money they pump. US is the classic example of that. Weed law enforcement is a burden on the system funded by the tax payer with zero benefit to the society. If a landlord wants to prevent potheads from renting that is his problems. It is the privatization of the enforcement.

#88 MF on 09.19.18 at 9:23 pm

#74 Mattl on 09.19.18 at 8:16 pm

“And you’re showing your age Garth, lots of younger executives and business leaders that like a puff like they like a scotch or glass of wine. I’d bet a lot of money you are surrounded with people that smoke, eat or vape pot, I think you’d be amazed.”

-Grade A BS comment. No one listen to this guy please.

I’m 35. The majority of my friends do not smoke the stuff. The ones who smoke now have been smoking since we were in our teens. Most of us don’t.

Don’t try to superimpose your crap moral beliefs on the rest of us. And please don’t try to tell us you how you know a brain surgeon who smokes weed everyday. This is usually the go-to response from weed smokers btw. There’s always the exception to the hordes of people who got hooked on weed, went on other drugs, or suffer from personality disorders as a result their pot smoking.

And way to go perpetuating the stereotype that young people are drug addicts. As evidenced by this comment section, and similar to politics at large, weed smokers are a very vocal minority. Why is the above comment is so typical for a smoker? They always try to make it seem like everyone smokes as a juvenile attempt at normalizing pot smoking so it can become accepted in society.

It must be that since, at a young age, they were easily duped by peer pressure into believing that “everyone smokes” so they try to get others to do the same.

“See I’m not weak minded..I’m normal. Everyone smokes!”

No.

Here’s a thought: the only reason why we are dumb enough to legalize weed is because T2 used this easily manipulated demographic to get elected. Oh and to tax the pants off of them.

Nothing more.

MF

#89 The American on 09.19.18 at 9:24 pm

@ #40: Damifino, T2 is a moron (drumpf even worse). Recreational usage of weed has been legal in Washington State since 2012. Medical usage well before that. Just an FYI…

P.S. the shit is over the top and SW Washington is now the pot growing capital of North America. Throw a rock and you’ll hit a pot shop in Washington, Oregon, and California.

#90 Newcomer on 09.19.18 at 9:25 pm

Those who say that the change in legislation will not change the number of people using pot have done no research. Ease of availability is the biggest factor in the extent of use. We know this from hundreds of years of study of alcohol laws and their impact on usage.

But it also makes sense that legalization will decrease the number of home growers. And as we managed to survive a couple of hundred years of people smoking tobacco without landlords having to throw themselves off their own buildings, we should be able to handle the reefer too.

For the record, I think all drugs, including alcohol, are for idiots, but I also think it’s none of my business (or the state’s business) how people get their kicks. They could sell heroin in vending machines for all I care.

#91 Ustabe on 09.19.18 at 9:25 pm

I’m going to post a diatribe against pot but first I need you to forget all about California which has had a de facto open market for 30+ years. I’ll need you to ignore the positive outcomes in Colorado, Washington, Oregon, etc.

I also ask you to abandon one of the major tenets of true conservatism, that which states small government has no business regulating individual choice…and join me in a non-researched, hysterical exchange of innuendo, supposition and scare mongering.

OK…who is in?

Quaalude’s…Xanax…LSD…old school cool. Both chemical and organic drugs have been around for centuries, nothing much will change in Canada on October 18th.

How about all you folks find something else to get your panties in a twist and leave the rest of us alone. I know I’m not going to be injecting a marijuana just because its now legal, nor is anyone I hang with.

Now, if you will excuse me its time to grill some pork on the deck, brandy in hand, beer chaser to get the brandy taste washed out.

#92 arfmoocat on 09.19.18 at 9:26 pm

#74 Mattl

Boomers invented the shit so take a hike

#93 JORDY on 09.19.18 at 9:40 pm

Have to agree with Garth on this one, there’s enough stupid out there without drugs. We basically have a pretty good start on an idiocracy already.

#94 the Jaguar on 09.19.18 at 9:45 pm

Age has nothing to do with standards. – Garth

Agree 100%. And with all comments made by Garth on today’s blog. Those that don’t have this habit will put distance between themselves and those that embrace the new “legislation”.
Garth has it right as usual. When is our ship departing, the Jag would like the berth nearest to the spirit dog, Bandit. When G & D are enjoying a relaxing sunset as the ship sails out ,the Jag will take Bandit for a walk around the deck. There will be no “weed” in the scenario. Maybe a dog cookie and a little glass of Port as the sun sets over the water. People are free to make their choices in life…..but there will always be some who ‘cut and run’ from the herd. Can we buy up an island somewhere or something?

#95 Yorkville Renter on 09.19.18 at 9:53 pm

88 – MF – you’re calling the kettle black… you are applying the same sweeping generalizations but from the other side of the spectrum

#96 Doug t on 09.19.18 at 9:54 pm

FACT – alcohol has done far more damage to society than weed ever will – do the research on this – actually let’s get rid of booze and society will be far far better off

RATM

#97 MF on 09.19.18 at 10:01 pm

#87 Weed or not on 09.19.18 at 9:15 pm

” Weed law enforcement is a burden on the system funded by the tax payer with zero benefit to the society. ”

-Here they are again.

So what this poster is trying to imply is: 1) everyone does weed and willfully breaks the law 2) it’s not harmful at all 3) it should be legal for everyone to smoke because of 1 an 2.

Again trying to justify legalization by superimposing their weak moral standards on the rest of us. MJ is illegal because it harms society as a whole. If not the smoker, then everyone around them through second hand smoke. Or in the case of a pregnant woman, the baby in the womb. A drugged up society is also less productive. Funny how you don’t mention any rising health care costs from this unhealthy behaviour in your little fianancial analysis eh?

MF

#98 Paul Q on 09.19.18 at 10:02 pm

Normally, I agree with the bulk of what you say, but your fear concerning this is misguided. Historically, damage to suites by grow ops has been because they were commercial, and attempts were made to hide them. This limits how safely and properly you can operate them. Now, commercial growers can operate legally and safely under WCB/WorksafeBC/etc. purview. The small-timers cannot compete with the talent and quality being drawn from the commercial side. Nor do prices warrant a home show. Alcohol, on the other hand, is so heavily taxed that I have attempted my own brewing on several occasions. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen to marijuana to the same extent.
I don’t even vape marijuana anymore, but the rampant and unfounded fear of, and massive potential upside to, the legalization of pot is startling to me.

#99 Damifino on 09.19.18 at 10:03 pm

#89 The American

Recreational usage of weed has been legal in Washington State since 2012. Medical usage well before that. Just an FYI…
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Thanks, but I did know that. What T2 said was that as of October 17, cannabis will be legal in both places.

And that fact, of course, has nothing to do with anything, as far as crossing the border is concerned.

What’s shocking to me that our PM suggests that maybe it does. When his tenure is finished (along with his diplomatic immunity) he’ll be unacceptable for entry to America himself. It will look good on him.

#100 espressobob on 09.19.18 at 10:15 pm

#85 Andwewt

Why would anyone use illicit drugs in the first place?

Why do we have a drug crisis?

Promoting any type of chemically induced mental confusion just proves the stupidity of some individuals that can’t see past their nose.

And we have Pierre junior pumping a bad lifestyle that could lead to serious health problems. Sad.

#101 Slowly Boiling Frogs on 09.19.18 at 10:18 pm

I know a couple of I.T. contractors working in Guelph, Waterloo and London. They both go horseback riding alot during the summer and tell me that every other farm field seems to have a small plot of cannabis grown there. The profit from it may be the only difference that season between the farmer being in the black or the red.

I wonder how many Ontario farms will be going under in the next few years without those little pot crops to keep them solvent?

#102 OttawaMike on 09.19.18 at 10:25 pm

Just to clarify:
About 7% of Canadians are regular weed users. 18% of the population have used in past year but that includes the 7% of regulars.

Of all users about 10% become addicted where the develop cannabis use disorder where they use large quantities continuosly and it affects other aspects of ones life.

#103 Long-Time Lurker on 09.19.18 at 10:28 pm

Weed = Justin’s Soma.

I’m still in the US.

Canopy Growth got plugged by Bloomberg here a few days ago.

Wage and price inflation are apparent here.

Americans have problems and Canadians have problems.

Americans have irrational people and Canadians have irrational people.

Americans buy health insurance while Canadians pay health care premiums.

Small business is thriving where I am. I’m reckoning that the American ideals of freedom and independence lead towards independent small businesses.

Truth is the first casualty of American politics much more so than in Canada.

Canadian USD denominated ETFs: look up canadaetfs.ca.

A quick look at an article on ZeroHedge said that Turkey’s central bank is covering it’s bad local loans while an earlier article said that Erdogan put his son-in-law in charge of Turkey’s central bank. Turkey self-roasting itself by Erdogan is a contagion risk.

Garth’s right. People with a balanced and diversified portfolio sleep well at night.

I hedged my portfolio back in July and August.

Stan Brooks is crazy like a fox.

#104 Cash is King on 09.19.18 at 10:28 pm

Doing whatever it takes to win an election is never about making sense.

#105 Led on 09.19.18 at 10:31 pm

Yeah except that most condos, at least anything built in recent history, will be air tight.

The wonders of the 21st Century.

#106 Art on 09.19.18 at 10:32 pm

Garth you’re being a ridiculous old con with this “condos will become mini growrooms” crap. With legal market, the incentive to grow weed in one’s own shoebox condo has been removed forever.

As a conservative voter, I’m kind of disappointed how aggressively ignorant cons are about cannabis. Whatever happened to being a progressive conservative.

#107 Long-Time Lurker on 09.19.18 at 10:33 pm

Putting the Venezuelan bolivar to good use.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/gallery/20180918-the-people-making-bags-out-of-worthless-money

#108 AisA on 09.19.18 at 10:51 pm

Siding with reason on this one.

Speaking from experience, if you have enough pot laying around it gets boring real fast so don’t expect society at large to lose it’s mind over this as if it’s something that anyone who didn’t try it because it was illegal is going to go coco for coco puffs because it’s at the corner store.

Second and more importantly, it’s easier to grow than tobacco. In fact, it’s easier to grow decent pot than than it is a decent tomato in this country. Supply can absolutely swamp demand if allowed.

#109 For those about to flop... on 09.19.18 at 10:54 pm

CONFIRMED PINK SNOW.

These guys got taken out behind the woodshed and are gonna be sore for a while.

The details…

Paid 2.53 July 2016

Sold 2.19 July 2018

18% loss after expenses or 450k punch in the peanuts…

M44BC

Sold early July 2018

941 Macintosh Street, Coquitlam paid 2.53 July 2016 asking 2.29

Jul 4:$2,598,000
Jan 5: $2,488,000
Change: – 110000.00 -4%

https://www.zolo.ca/coquitlam-real-estate/941-macintosh-street

https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/QTAwMDAzWE5HMQ==

#110 Doug t on 09.19.18 at 10:55 pm

I’m 54 and cannot believe the tight a** old school comments here about cannabis -it’s quite laughable and obviously speaks to a complete lack of understanding and knowledge – some of the comments sound like people are still watching Leave it To Beaver and living in a black and white serial show – meh times change people often don’t and then you die

RATM

#111 Overheardyou on 09.19.18 at 11:02 pm

I love how all the drug supporters showed their numbers today. That’s why Canada is screwed, sad really.

#112 Oft deleted much maligned stock picker on 09.19.18 at 11:17 pm

The Pot strategy is a vote strategy, it makes absolutely zero sense. But then again, what have the Trudeau Liberals accomplished to date that wasn’t half baked and far from fulsome? Dope is dealt with by the law rather harshly as it stands and that acts as a deterrent, it’s hardly banned and more are saved by penalties than those which fall through the cracks. It’s not perfect, but detterance, although ugly, is necessary….like drinking bans before elections…good is done with effective prohibition.

There’s a lot of kids clean and fresh because of the negative social consequences of drug use, but Trudeau is tearing down that fragile wall. And in the same exasperation when we say that foreign money is a cancer on local real estate , we’ll see the same negative dope creep into more homes schools and streets.

Our legislators pony up supporting “studies” from industry lobbyists that doping is begnign, free from harmful effect, even logical or holy, what bullshit. I admit to being old and in that middle state of memory retention and not giving a shit. On the late 50’s pot was rogue and rare, by the mid 60’s there were noticeably more people on the streets burned out beggared and homeless. By the late “Stone Age, 1967- 1973 when drugs were rampant the numbers of addicts had exploded, necessitating “the war on drugs”.

I don’t give a flat flying what Trudeau says about marijuana not being a gateway drug. Here’s what’s going to happen….widespread pot smoking roping in the marginally weak and easily influenced, their defenses will be raped and kids will be more easily influenced to drink more beer, more wine, then hard liquor. You’ll always get the doofus who says “I smoked for years and Im OK”. But…..looking at the numbers of alcoholics we can expect the same numbers of people becoming addicted because they are genetically predisposed to chemical dependence. Look at the worst area in your town, like Vancouvers DTES….and double it , with a fresh crop of prostitute addicts who didn’t finish the race though high school, because of pot spectrum addiction

That opens the door to new experiments with new drugs because pot doesn’t get you high enough anymore…in the 60’s it was Acid, Mescaline and by the 70’s it was hard core cocaine use spitting out heroin addicts by the millions. What Party drug will it be on Trudeaus era? Who knows, but it will be something just as addicting and destructive.

This is deja vu for me. I’m seeing the same pattern of naive addiction emerge . Within a decade this naive crop of pot head zombies will be licking the sidewalk for a splash of crystal death. One thing leads to another. This is the beginning and the end, Trudeau has unleashed the drug cycle Oro Boro, to feed on itself endlessly. But this time the addiction isn’t being spread by Colombian drug lords, it’s your Liberal government, growing fat on taxation and drug grow lobby money.

Garth you say a coat of paint will cover over skunk resin? No way. You need to rip off the drywall….been there done that. Grow ops inhouses produce tremendous amounts of mold inside the rafters. It travels everywhere warm air is flowing. It isn’t a one room contamination thing. As an appraiser I saw hallways collapse outside suites due to heavy moisture and mold.

Trudeau has a plan for the ’19 election…divide and inebriate…..but once those new stoners turn into addicts, like they did in the ’60’s and 70’s…..God help us. Deja Vu….and a head shake of shame for this Made in Canada tsunami of shit coming our way thanks to Trudeau.

#113 BS on 09.19.18 at 11:24 pm

After all, it’s one thing for the T2 gang to decriminalize the possession and use of cannabis, but it’s another thing entirely when it comes to the impact on residential real estate.

This is not just about rentals. All properties of all kinds are going to get destroyed from weed growers. Anyone buying will need to do extra due diligence.

Here in BC the rules for smoking weed are the same as tobacco. You will be able to walk down the street, sidewalk or where ever in public and legally smoke weed. It is going to be a gong show.

I must say I have done well with the weed ETF I bought last August. I just sold a bunch today after tripling my money over the last year in my TFSA. Still holding some but after today it is all house money.

#114 Evangeline on 09.19.18 at 11:26 pm

#64 Wrk.dover on 09.19.18 at 7:24 pm “If somebody has to keep the grocery store floors clean, that person might as well have a buzz on to make the shift go by. It allegedly makes the most mundane of tasks interesting, if not down right exiting.”

Brave New Canada: Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World read as an instruction manual instead of as a cautionary tale.

“you do look glum! What you need is a gramme of soma.”

“the warm, the richly coloured, the infinitely friendly world of soma-holiday. How kind, how good-looking, how delightfully amusing every one was! ”

“Swallowing half an hour before closing time, that second dose of soma had raised a quite impenetrable wall between the actual universe and their minds.”

“By this time the soma had begun to work. Eyes shone, cheeks were flushed, the inner light of universal benevolence broke out on every face in happy, friendly smiles.”

” … why you don’t take soma when you have these dreadful ideas of yours. You’d forget all about them. And instead of feeling miserable, you’d be jolly. So jolly,”

#115 BS on 09.19.18 at 11:32 pm

#106 Art on 09.19.18 at 10:32 pm

Garth you’re being a ridiculous old con with this “condos will become mini growrooms” crap. With legal market, the incentive to grow weed in one’s own shoebox condo has been removed forever.

Of course making it legal increases incentive. Most people do not want to risk a criminal record that would haunt them for life, especially going to the US.

Those who consume a lot of weed and have a few friends who consume weed will be able to bring in $3k or more per month legally by tending a few plants. Weed is not like alcohol. Weed you can grow equivalent or better product yourself, and it is easy to sell. Try selling your home brew. Home growing is going rampant, no question.

#116 Evangeline on 09.19.18 at 11:36 pm

There are lots of “Brave New World” free full movie links on youtube.

#117 viorelli on 09.19.18 at 11:39 pm

At Reality is stark,
“It should help your kids sleep well at night. If the people next door can smoke enough dope on the balcony next door you may be the fortunate recipient of enough second hand reefer to medicate your babies.
What parent would not be thrilled?
Society is evolving in such progressive fashion.
We have consensual non-menogamous relationships. We have child support rules enforced even when it is not your child.
Thank goodness taxes are rising to keep people from starting businesses and reduce our competitiveness.
With 78% of wealth tied up in real estate and real estate depreciating this can only add to enormous GDP growth going forward.
The USA owes us a great NAFTA deal because we are so progressive.”

Add to this soon to be perfectioned sex dolls (male and female), and why would anyone go into any kind of long term relationship with anyone? Amazon will soon deliver pre heated pizza and other toys to your door, you will not have to stay in traffic, smoke your legal weed, and collect your “fair share” promised by the progressive lefties. Meanwhile in “less progressive” China, India, and Russia kids are focusing on school, robotics, and business more than ever in the past. Which civilizations do you think will survive, prosper, and progress? Should not be hard to figure that one out, law of the jungle rule as usual. Will not happened tomorrow so smoke your weed and watch the CBC rainbow news.

#118 Victor V on 09.19.18 at 11:53 pm

Why smoke when you can drink it? Cannabis infused beverages will be the next big trend. Already companies like BEER.V are getting product out there in time for legalization. There is potential in this sector if one finds the right companies.

#119 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.20.18 at 12:02 am

Garth,
Chill.
And don’t bogart the joint my friend.
Pass it over to me.
Btw, the German Sheppard looks happy in the weed field.
Maybe, bandit should try it.

#120 Upenuff on 09.20.18 at 12:02 am

Out here on the left coast where individuals shoot up right on the city streets in the downtown east side, it has become the norm….. There are 96 bud shops selling weed seven days a week in Vcr. They outnumber the 7-11’s and non of them are legal and the city has not touched them for violations, except with the occasional by-law ticket. BC alone, will have a problem trying to collect from all the shops that government has no information on… not good, but out here, it has been going on for years, and the people and the cops are just tired of it… try and tax it, but collecting it will be a whole new ball game….

#121 ETF player on 09.20.18 at 12:16 am

#15 jungle
Just bought 850 shares of Vgro between my wife’s and mine Tfsa yesterday
Should I buy another 80k worth? What do u see it doing in the future?
Thx
ETF player

#122 SmallTownSteve on 09.20.18 at 12:34 am

Why not legalize cocaine next? He could start a free trade agreement with Columbia, bypass Mexico and pay off the national debt within a year! Think of all the tourists!
I am of course being sarcastic…

#123 Jimers on 09.20.18 at 12:37 am

Lights, dirt, action! I’m ready to go.

Only Dopes call it dope!
Cannabis is a plant, not a drug.

#124 My Wife Loves Garth on 09.20.18 at 12:47 am

Nothing will change. Weed heads will never spend their surplus money to create mini grow ops. And then wait 4 months for the plants to grow?

#125 Myra Andrews on 09.20.18 at 12:55 am

Stats for Greater Vancouver from realtor Paul Boenisch

Sept 19 New 227 Sold 99 TI:13,472
Sept 18 New 266 Sold 99 TI:13,418
Sept 17 New 360 Sold 93 TI:13,339

Sept 14 New 143 Sold 85 TI:13,239
Sept 13 New 225 Sold 58 TI:13,240
Sept 12 New 268 Sold 90 TI:13,147
Sept 11 New 325 Sold 77 TI:13,057
Sept 10 New 487 Sold 87 TI:12,916

Sept 7 New 197 Sold 87 TI:12,681
Sept 5-6 New 609 Sold 195 TI: 12,653
Sept 4 New 498 Sold 53 TI:12,439

Inventory at the end of August was 12,510

#126 Smoking Man on 09.20.18 at 1:27 am

NAFTA is doomed. Is only hope. Doug Ford talks to Trump, they do a man to man , let’s golf. Talk about family , kids and how stupid socialists are. Lets be friends.

Bet accordingly.

#127 SI2K on 09.20.18 at 1:40 am

Yet another reason we left T.O. to pursue single family housing elsewhere. Having rented in dirty mansions there for many years, I expect these condos may become very popular for even having these rules.

The majority of multifamily low-rise rentals are going to be a living hell. They were already pretty bad for this two years ago. Our ‘nonsmoking lease’? Yeah, right. Our landlord pretty much abandoned the building and was just collecting cheques.

#128 DON on 09.20.18 at 2:20 am

YIKES! Apologize for the spelling mistakes in my previous post.

Bottom line we are adults and should be treated accordingly.

Nothing should be around children period.

If I lived in a Condo I would have some concerns about my neighbors recklessness.

This is not a new market. It’s been here a long time. No shortage of supply on October 17. In fact the market will be flooded. They couldn’t regulate it before but they can try to tax it. Governments at all levels have been anticipating and lobbying for their share of the proceeds.

Now when it comes to having a smoke, puff, cigar, beer/wine on a public beach when sparsely populated in the after hours and no driving. A six pack or multiple joints should be frowned upon but adults should be treated as adults. If you over due it then the intoxication in public and associated kick in the wallet fine should apply as a reminder. And there is no need to smoke weed in public places without at least trying to hide it. Can’t drink alcohol in public places and should be the same for marijuana consumption.

As one blog dog commented edibles are the new angle …no smoke and most widely adopted by different walks of life. My wife’s mother has cancer and takes edibles once in a while helping her sleep and helps her eat and maintain weight. Every thing in moderation.

Driving under any influence/distraction should not be tolerated.

Do I want to buy weed from Coca Cola …not a chance! Will I buy ETFs – yup global exports. The world is on the verve of going green lol.

#129 Nonplused on 09.20.18 at 2:32 am

Here is a thought I’d like people to consider for a moment:

Christ did not turn the wine to water. He did the opposite.

#130 Oft deleted much maligned stock.picker on 09.20.18 at 6:59 am

The Trudeau Trade is killing the TSX…..no leadership…killing entire sectors…goofy circus clowns as spokesmen…..investors are heading south. The ripple effect will have Canada in recession by year’s end.

#131 Victor V on 09.20.18 at 7:28 am

Condo buyers call for better protections as second major Vaughan condo project killed

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2018/09/19/second-major-vaughan-condo-project-killed.html

#132 Wrk.dover on 09.20.18 at 7:29 am

#116 Evangeline on 09.19.18 at 11:36 pm
There are lots of “Brave New World” free full movie links on youtube.

________________________________

You nailed it!

I read the book several times through, forty years ago.

I have been living the lead role ever since. I am now in the closing scene all Wrk.dover, sitting in the cafe with Buddy, wishing I could get more than a cup a day from the interest on my life savings. Being watched.

Thanks for taking note. The world as it has unfolded for 90%+/-, is an unjust wreck.

#133 Tater on 09.20.18 at 7:55 am

#56 martin87 on 09.19.18 at 7:01 pm
Hey Blog Dogs,

Just wondering…are there any USD denominated equity ETFs out there that are worth looking at?

Thanks!
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There’s a few under the radar ones like SPY, QQQ or IWM

#134 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.20.18 at 8:06 am

@#109 Flop

‘….punch in the peanuts”

+++++

I’m stealing that line.

#135 Headhunter on 09.20.18 at 8:07 am

“it is the healing of the nation”

Big $$$ is going to be edibles.. my bros dog has seizures and he gives her a THC laced cookie and all is well! He buys em on-line somewhere.

FORD made car in the 50’s entirely made of hemp.

Hemp seed oil can be used as heating fuel and you can covert your diesel rig to run your rig.

In the states that have pot legal booze consumption down 19%..

Plant w many great uses besides smoking it.. cue SM.. thats what scares the powers that be the most

What if it DOES cure cancer WTF we do with these fundraisers? Buildings? Equipment?

#136 maxx on 09.20.18 at 8:08 am

#2 The Wet One on 09.19.18 at 5:13 pm

““Why we needed another way to get stupid is beyond the ken of this pathetic blog. ”

Simply put, it’s stupid and wrong to criminalize things that just about everyone does and damage people’s lives for things that harm practically no one (relatively and practically speaking).

It’s about that simple really.”

Well now, when you own your own separate dwelling so as not to affect the value of other people’s property, and don’t assault their sense of smell nor health, knock yourself out. This stinky, disgusting $hit affects my quality of life and it’s bad enough I have to endure it on the streets and oh joy, in public parks as well.

Apart from prescription MJ (and probably anyone with a “twinge” can get it), recreational use is a nuisance. Just what we need on our roads to add to idiot texters and drunks.

When I return home to MY personal space at the end of the day, I don’t want to be assaulted with the stench of dope. It is an incursion into my rights to quality of life and well being.

***Rights for dope smokers (btw, nowhere near “just about everybody” does it) end where those of non-users begin.

This garbage may be decriminalized but we need some iron-clad laws to protect the RIGHTS of non-users, and right quick.

It’s that simple.

Really.

#137 jess on 09.20.18 at 8:16 am

people rather eat the stuff rather than smoke it?

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consumer debt portfolios that these “experts”claimed generated profits by collecting debt payments or by selling the debt to third parties.

A federal grand jury has indicted three men on charges related to an alleged $364 million ponzi scheme.
Federal prosecutors have charged three men in connection with an alleged $364 million Ponzi scheme that could have more than 400 victims nationwide.
The men were indicted on charges of conspiracy, wire fraud, identity theft, and money laundering.
The indictment alleges that the three men took $73 million of investors’ funds “to purchase and renovate high end homes in Maryland, Texas, Nevada, and Florida, purchase luxury automobiles, jewelry, boats, and a share in a jet plane, gamble $25 million at casinos, and support a lavish lifestyle.”
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2018/comp-pr2018-201.pdf

#138 dharma bum on 09.20.18 at 8:17 am

I wonder if landlords worried about tenants operating distilleries in their bathtubs when the ban on liquor was lifted back in the day.

Grow ops will be no more of a problem after October 17th than they are today. The present illegality of grow-ops is not what is preventing them from proliferating.

Any current pot smokers, users, or sellers that are inclined to have a grow op would already have one, notwithstanding their legality.

People just wanna get high, man. Nobody, especially potheads, wanna put in any extra effort by becoming do-it-yourself cannabis cultivators.

Now, don’t bogart that joint, my friend!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFsyxaCQrQ

#139 Stone walker on 09.20.18 at 8:18 am

#17 crowdedelevatorfartz

You got it. Keep them baked and the masses are easier to control. After all, it’s easier to self medicate with legal weed and play video games in a moldy low income condo than face reality. Easy way out for the weak willed.

BTW, I’m just about ready to pour concrete for my house, passed the OB exam last month, lots of friends/family helping. I’ll actually be living mold free for a price I can afford soon. Keeping the budget low and hopefully won’t be underwater if the RE market around here tanks. It’s peaking right now, but nothing over 450K is selling, very fast anyway. My place won’t be in that range. Hoping nevergiveup will stop by and chat here

#140 Evangeline on 09.20.18 at 8:46 am

#128 Don “Driving under any influence/distraction should not be tolerated.”

I’m wondering if taxi drivers, airline pilots, train engineers and so on will be regulated, and, if so, how.

#141 prediction on 09.20.18 at 9:04 am

canopy growth stock price in 12 months;

$100

#142 Dups on 09.20.18 at 9:30 am

Trump and Trudeau are distraction noodles for the more important issues that are brewing in the background. Only the smart would figure that out, the rest would just watch Sat Night Live and laugh…

#143 IHCTD9 on 09.20.18 at 10:41 am

#78 KLNR on 09.19.18 at 8:43 pm
@#44 IHCTD9 on 09.19.18 at 6:45 pm
#22 Don on 09.19.18 at 5:58 pm

You can take the Garth out of the Conservatives but not the Conservatives out of Garth. Sad

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Plenty of lefty’s think smoking weed is dumb.

Especially those working in the medical, psychology, social work, corrections, and law enforcement fields.
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smoking weed is about as dumb as drinking booze.
such a non issue.
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I’d agree with that if the weed user started at 30 years old or more.

If they started in high school and don’t go easy on it, they’re look and some pretty serious and permanent brain damage.

These results are well documented and are not open for debate.

If you start young and abuse it – you really do fry your brain. I have several family members who work in professions that are on the front lines dealing with these guys/gals. There is absolutely no debate about this whatsoever.

My B.I.L. who has one of those professions can spot a long time MJ abuser in seconds. Same give a ways for every one of them.

#144 millmech on 09.20.18 at 10:49 am

BMO just raised their mortgage rates,1yr from 3.49 to 3.79 ,looks like most of their other rates are up 10 bp
With another 25 bp rise in rates in Oct their one year will now be 4.04%.
The other banks will surely follow with increases of their own to match

#145 IHCTD9 on 09.20.18 at 11:08 am

#82 Shawn Allen on 09.19.18 at 8:57 pm
Weed and Apartments / Condos

Dare I say it sounds like another reason to want your own detached single family home? Where you can smoke weed if you want or (mostly) avoid weeds smells from your neighbors.
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If you owned an SFD with a bit of land it would be easy to stuff a bunch of plants out there too.

Pot smoke travels though – I have neighbours a good 700+ ft away across a field filled with trees, tall undergrowth etc. They occasionally smoke MJ, and when conditions are just right, I can smell it. That’s 1/8 mile away.

#146 Not a hypocrite on 09.20.18 at 11:15 am

I bet you enjoy a glass of beer or wine. yet you poo poo a little thc? f*ckin hypocrites

The issue is not sanctioning existing inebriants but the logic of making more universally accessible. – Garth

#147 Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:19 am

THANKS, Garth!

Let’s try finding employees able to work safely in physical and safety-demanding jobs. Pot and Driving. Grow ops abound. The unemployed pot-head next door smoking weed in front of your kids, every day. I want to scream! At what point do we stop – what indulgence, that promises to derail us socially, economically, productively… is too much?

I grew up in an economically marginized neighbourhood. Totally white/native-trash, free-dog pack running, no-sewer system sh*thole. Welfare, booze, weed, oxy… you name the vice. It was all there.
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So obviously having it illegal is not working and is costing us money and resources. Let’s try something different.

#148 Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:24 am

#21 AGuyInVancouver on 09.19.18 at 5:52 pm
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So your argument for keeping it illegal is that it smells bad? There is a laundry list of things we could make illegal using that logic.

#149 WM on 09.20.18 at 11:41 am

Maximum Dumb levels reached.

Weed is just a plant. Bugs? really? What about those grandmas using their units as geranium dens? smh. A lot of you dorks just need to smoke one and relax. Weed isn’t the antichrist.

#150 BCPaul on 09.20.18 at 11:44 am

#19 rs on 09.19.18 at 5:51 pm

This is why landlords should vet prospective tenants.

#151 Blackdog on 09.20.18 at 11:55 am

There is mounting evidence that cannabis, as a comparatively much less harmful drug than alcohol, opioids, etc., can be successfully utilized in a harm reduction strategy. Making cannabis legal actually has the potential of IMPROVING health and safety of society by acting as a substitute for much more harmful substances. Think of cannabis not as an ‘add on’ or ‘gate way’ to a number of much more harmful drugs, but rather as a ‘get away’ or substitute drug. Society will NEVER eliminate its drug problem by criminalizing users, and will NEVER eliminate the human desire to use mind altering substances, but can promote a healthier lifestyle through education (not reefer madness) along with legal access to cannabis and promotion of a ‘harm reduction’ approach to drug and alcohol use. Many lives would be saved if people swapped their booze for cannabis. Alcohol will NEVER be illegal, so let’s get realistic about finding ways to mitigate the serious harm it causes which is not even comparable to the potential harm from cannabis.

You should join the NRA. They love that argument: America is safer through widespread gun ownership. – Garth

#152 Barb on 09.20.18 at 11:58 am

Word has it that US border entry rules will be changed to ban for life any Canadian EMPLOYEE of a cannabis production company.

#153 IHCTD9 on 09.20.18 at 11:58 am

#106 Art on 09.19.18 at 10:32 pm

As a conservative voter, I’m kind of disappointed how aggressively ignorant cons are about cannabis. Whatever happened to being a progressive conservative.
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Again, plenty of left wingers hate pot, and many more lefty’s are clueless about it. This news likely rocks your foundations doesn’t it?

Speaking of clueless, anyone walking around speaking like there is no serious downside to cannabis use under certain WELL KNOWN conditions has their head up their @ss.

Frankly, I could give a rip if some kid smokes the stuff starting at 14 and has essentially fried 4-8 points off their IQ, and put their long term memory banks and social skills into a coma by the time they hit 25.

Just don’t look to me to advocate for it’s legality on the basis that it’s harmless stuff. It ain’t, such is obvious to many.

If you want to smoke/eat/vape MJ, do yourself a favour and make your first joint a present to yourself for your 30th birthday.

#154 MF on 09.20.18 at 12:05 pm

Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:1

No. It also causes brain damage, and hinders crucial brain development particularly in young people and babies in the womb.

Add that it makes people lazy, is a gateway drug, and damages the lungs like all smoke does.

Did you factor health care costs (both psychological and physical) into your little analysis?

Other than miniscule tax revenue, there is zero benefit to society. It was only legalized as a vote buying ploy so people like you voted for T2.

MF

#155 RyYYZ on 09.20.18 at 12:20 pm

Quite a few drug warriors on this site. Sure, now you’re all in favour of decriminalizing in the Dutch model – where were you when people were getting their lives ruined for a couple grams of green leafy substance in their pocket? Anyway, decriminalization of possession without providing for some sort of legitimate supply is just silly. Why not have the gov’t collect some tax on it, too? I find it hard to see the downside of full legalization, other than some of the ridiculous and draconian new rules and laws being drawn up in response. For example the new limits on THC for drivers are, by most accounts, so low as to be comparable to having something like a .01% BAC level for a drunk driving charge. Maybe even .005%. So now we’re going to start creating a new class of people busted for MJ DUI who weren’t even impaired. Why not come up with some reasonable way to test for actual impairment (same question for alcohol, actually)?

#156 Oft deleted much maligned stock.picker on 09.20.18 at 12:24 pm

#152 Barb…..banning employees is already happening….in fact a special department scans social media to find and tag pot heads….as “flagged”.

If you’re an executive…banned….if you make metal frames that are used in pot factories…banned…if you’re an accountant with a pot client….banned …..if you own pot stocks in your portfolio …banned. If you have any connection to pot however distant….banned….and all this is ramping up. If you’re one of those idiots who smiled for the camera at pot festivals…..banned….the photogs were RCMp and DEA who auto share all information….your face blowing smoke at 420…..banned…..organize a festival…..banned…..promote legal pot…..banned….banned banned banned and it happens every day and the legions of the banned are into the tens of thousands.

The pot soft Trudeau media is lying…..so that people don’t freak …..but even managers and ancillary finance guys …..banned. Trudeau and his doodle-bug goofball Ralph Goodale ( the guy who’ll say anything however farticious) …..have been doftbslling the idea that you can get a waiver easily while the two sides talk,…….beahahahaha…..several interviews with US lawyers with an exponentially expanding client list report that the waiver application process is long and costly….taking thousands if dollars and two to three years to process. The waiver itself is strictly temporary….some for one time crossing, others for a few months….none exceeding one year…..and they aren’t extendable….they expire and need to be applied for again…meaning more money and more years of being BANNED……thx Trudo.

Go ahead….light up….get stupid…..I’m going to Hawaii….Austin….Miami…..New York….LA….

Can you imagine never being allowed into the USA for the rest of your miserable life? It would be like being a freaking troglodyte. No thanks…..Maui……oh yeah….natural high.

Hasta la nada bitches.

#157 Katie on 09.20.18 at 12:26 pm

Disagree with you on this one. Anyone who wants to grow weed is already doing it. You aren’t going to get people that aren’t really into it en masse turning their closets into little grow ops. Most people don’t have enough space for their clothing alone in a condo, why would they give up that space if they can just go buy the stuff legally and safely at the store.

#158 Tater on 09.20.18 at 12:28 pm

#154 MF on 09.20.18 at 12:05 pm
Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:1

No. It also causes brain damage, and hinders crucial brain development particularly in young people and babies in the womb.

Add that it makes people lazy, is a gateway drug, and damages the lungs like all smoke does.

Did you factor health care costs (both psychological and physical) into your little analysis?

Other than miniscule tax revenue, there is zero benefit to society. It was only legalized as a vote buying ploy so people like you voted for T2.

MF
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Can make all the same points about alcohol (well, swap liver for lungs) and I imagine you aren’t looking to have that banned.

I think it’s dumb for us to spend money enforcing laws for behavior that only harms the user. Now, smoke weed while pregnant, call that child abuse and take the kid away. Drive while high? Lifetime ban.

And until all the fat humps I see on the subway, and shuffling around are charged and OHIP surcharge, gtfoh with the healthcare cost argument.

#159 RyYYZ on 09.20.18 at 12:31 pm

Perfect example of the drug warrior mentality here:

#43 MF on 09.19.18 at 6:40 pm
Even though it’s known to cause brain damage/hinder brain development for anyone under 25, hinder brain development in babies before birth, make people lazy, and is a gateway drug, I guess we can say legalization has some positives:

-Tax smokers at 50%. The revenue will help with deficits and weed smokers are addicted (like all drug addicts) anyways so they will pay whatever tax is added.
-Absenteeism by weed smokers will now be out in the open like it is for alcoholics, with similar negative connotations of character drawing similar necessary repercussions. Right now they usually try to hide it, blaming absenteeism and laziness on other things.
-Drug dealers hopefully will be put out of business and actually have to contribute to society.
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Brain damage? It is thought, among some researchers, that it may hinder brain development for young people. Hardly proven.

Pregnant women shouldn’t be using it, anyway.

Gateway drug? Pish-tosh. Never been any proof of that. No smoker that I know has gone on to crack, heroin, or anything more addictive like that. Not like the legal pain pills that doctors have been handing out like candy.

Absenteeism? You must be confusing tokers with drinkers. Never missed an hour or day of work in my life due to weed.

If people tend to keep their use of it under wraps, it’s mostly because of judgemental people like you spewing a bunch of drug-war rhetoric.

#160 PBrasseur on 09.20.18 at 12:31 pm

While the US market is beating records how many realize that without weed the TSX would be down, that after years of underperforming

That should tell you something about what the market really think of this so called “great economy”

#161 Mike in Toronto on 09.20.18 at 12:58 pm

#157 Katie

Yeah, seriously. There will be some novelty, some massive smoking parties, then it will be like the Netherlands. Some expensive cafes downtown in the tourist areas, and people having a cookie here or there.

Laws never stopped potheads from renting apartments anyway, and the police never cared.

#162 Mike in Toronto on 09.20.18 at 1:05 pm

#154
“Other than miniscule tax revenue, there is zero benefit to society. ”

Oh right… and the cost of law enforcement, and the impact of criminal records of otherwise law-abiding people, the funding of organized crime etc etc…

#163 CONDOS ARE FOR LOOSERS on 09.20.18 at 1:06 pm

#21 AGuyInVancouver on 09.19.18 at 5:52 pm

#4 Guy in Calgary on 09.19.18 at 5:18 pm
The fear with respect to this legislation is overblown bordering on comical.

Yes people will be growing plants in their home. You can also brew beer in your home. Who cares. Yes pot smells. So does curie. Who cares.

I also think the amount of people growing their own will be incredibly limited as competition continues to lower the price. It is much cheaper now to get good quality stuff without the hassle of setting up lights and irrigation (which isn’t even necessary).

Fear mongering from those that do not understand. That is the reaction with anything new throughout history. All I have to say about this legislation is “it’s about damn time.”
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Get real. The stench from pot being smoked next door is like a skunk going off beside you. The sooner stratas ban all kinds of smoking the better, it is gross.
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Yes absolutely agree that stuff smells like a skunk just $hit himself all over your front door. The thing that people do not understand is that Condos are really shared living quarters. You get your neighbours noise, their fights, the party’s, the smells, pet issues and their bugs and diseases. Yes even in the so called “GOOD” buildings. High end or low end your essentially co-cohabiting (living) with your neighbours like them or not. My sister lived in a condo and every morning when she squeezed into the elevator for the ride down she was confronted with coughing and wheezing from every aliment possible. She was sick almost every month until she moved. Just touch the elevator push button and check a swab for bacteria. Sickness travels through condos like a hospital as well. You would be amazed at how disease ridden Condos are. It is basically 1000 people living in vertical space but a horizontal space of only 1200 square metres. This pot problem is going to take issue to new levels. I can see physical altercations coming with its legalization. The older boomers really like this $hit and they are moving into these places as they retire. Good luck unloading a condo now! Can hardly wait to see how the fees change now that the boards have to handle this disaster with pot.

#164 Mattl on 09.20.18 at 1:33 pm

Age has nothing to do with standards. – Garth

Sorry, what do standards have to do with consumption of a plant? One with some pretty phenomenal medical benefits. One that millions of North Americans have been enjoying safely for a decades.

Some guy growing in his renters tub or blasting dooby after dooby on his porch is an inconsiderate A hole. No different then loud music guy, barking dog guy, fighting couple upstairs guy.

Living in a condo has always been about getting along with and having good neighbors. The direction that Cannabis regulation is going is going to make that easier. Consumption is moving from smoke to scentless vape and edibles, and the profit from home grows has been eliminated.

May not be age but you clearly don’t understand this issue. It took the next generation to realize how ridiculous Cannabis prohibition is – thank god common sense will prevail.

#165 cramar on 09.20.18 at 1:33 pm

I predict that Justine Trudeau will go down in history as the myopic PM who opened Pandora’s Box. The unintended consequences for society will change this country into something far worse.

#166 Art Vandelay on 09.20.18 at 1:33 pm

I really don’t believe weed makes you lazy or a bad person. I wouldn’t say it’s my wheelhouse, but I know a few things about weed. I’ve been treating it like it’s legal for years. I never smoke in front of young kids and i’m always respectful of who’s around me, even if it’s my friends. I managed to get through a couple diplomas, a degree, and climb my way up at work. I’m a firm believer that people are lazy because they’re lazy. Weed isn’t the catalyst, but if you’re already a lazy, unmotivated person, then stay far away from it.

In other news i’m happy with my SEED.TO buy at $14

#167 Bottoms_Up on 09.20.18 at 1:44 pm

#39 Law School Millenial on 09.19.18 at 6:35 pm
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You’ll do ok….law school….you’re young….get out there and meet some women. Lots of time ahead of you. Put yourself out there, take some risks.

#168 Grey Dog on 09.20.18 at 2:11 pm

77 Ace Goodheart
I totally agree with you Europe civilized beer on the beach comment. Years ago on one of the Toronto beaches, families cooking out all enjoying some spirits, not one group out of control. Along came a couple of rumbled guys Tshirt, shorts carrying a small duffle bag, yes, they drew out their pads of paper and began charging everyone drinking in a public place, I guess.

#169 Blackdog on 09.20.18 at 2:16 pm

@Garth re: #151, “You should join the NRA. They love that argument: America is safer through widespread gun ownership. – Garth ”

Your response has zero to do with my comment. BTW, the NRA would be the last organization to get my support. To use as analogy to my argument promoting cannabis as a useful tool in drug and alcohol harm reduction strategy, that “America is safer through widespread gun ownership” is a logical fallacy. Stick to the topic. You started it.

#170 Blackdog on 09.20.18 at 2:28 pm

Garth, maybe you should do a lot more research about cannabis in particular, and etiology of drug abuse in general before you write blog entries that reveal your ignorance, biases, and inability to consider you might be wrong about something you were really sure you were right about. Would you like me to send you a list of references supporting the comment I made earlier? You could find them for yourself if you cared to be a bit more educated, or instead you could just carry on with your fingers in your ears, mocking people who may actually have more insight than you do.

#171 joe on 09.20.18 at 2:34 pm

Not just landlords….tokers should read about the health effects of pot.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4299549/cannabis-pot-youth-brain-schizophrenia/amp/

#172 Marco on 09.20.18 at 2:49 pm

Day traders who trade ACB will go out of this with a profit. Majority will lose big. Because “value” of marijuana stocks now is in billions and profits will be in millions. And yes, this and so called human rights and gender parity and non binary sexes and fancy socks
all this is here to avoid talk that this type of swindling capitalism is going to die soon, hopefully not thru revolution

#173 Mattl on 09.20.18 at 2:59 pm

#115 BS on 09.19.18 at 11:32 pm
#106 Art on 09.19.18 at 10:32 pm

Garth you’re being a ridiculous old con with this “condos will become mini growrooms” crap. With legal market, the incentive to grow weed in one’s own shoebox condo has been removed forever.

Of course making it legal increases incentive. Most people do not want to risk a criminal record that would haunt them for life, especially going to the US.

Those who consume a lot of weed and have a few friends who consume weed will be able to bring in $3k or more per month legally by tending a few plants. Weed is not like alcohol. Weed you can grow equivalent or better product yourself, and it is easy to sell. Try selling your home brew. Home growing is going rampant, no question.

Holy are you and guys like MF ignorant on Cannabis.

First off, it is not easy to grow high quality weed indoors. Quite the opposite.

And no, it is not easy to sell. Weed went from 3500 a pound to 500 a pound. The street dealer is dead. And good luck getting 6 pounds from a closet grow, you would be lucky to get 6 oz’s. Anyone that grows post Oct 17 is doing it as an expensive hobby or commercially / legally.

Don’t believe me? When was the last time you bought beer or wine from a guy on the street? You guys sound like 1920’s Prohibitionists waiving your purses telling everyone about the evils of booze. I bet you love to have a few beers here and there, just relax, Oct 17th will come and go, the world isn’t going to come apart because you can buy weed from a local store instead of a local dealer.

#174 Braj on 09.20.18 at 3:27 pm

#154 MF on 09.20.18 at 12:05 pm
Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:1

No. It also causes brain damage, and hinders crucial brain development particularly in young people and babies in the womb.

Add that it makes people lazy, is a gateway drug, and damages the lungs like all smoke does.

Did you factor health care costs (both psychological and physical) into your little analysis?

Other than miniscule tax revenue, there is zero benefit to society. It was only legalized as a vote buying ploy so people like you voted for T2.

MF

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Could ask the same to you, any idea of the cost benefit to allowing people to access a recreation drug such as alcohol with less toxicity and damage to the body? Plus it has anti-anxiety, empathy increasing, anti-pain, anti-nausea effects.

You old men are funny. Welcome to the new age. Yes, we’ll be fine.

#175 Gravy Train on 09.20.18 at 3:34 pm

#126 Smoking Man on 09.20.18 at 1:27 am
“[…] how stupid socialists are.[…]”

Generalize much?

Here’s a very short list of socialists: Albert Einstein, Bertrand Russell, Oscar Wilde, George Orwell, Helen Keller, Pablo Picasso, and Martin Luther King. I’d put each of their IQs up against yours any day. :)

#176 Are you sure about housing crisis? on 09.20.18 at 3:35 pm

So I hate to brag, bought my condo 2 years ago for 412,000 sold on the weekend 700,000 one offer, but one came in after so a stand by offer and one person said if those fall through to call. Sold in 5 days on market.
Maybe it’s the top who knows. So now what. Ha ha so I am a king selling at the top, now I am becoming a greater fool buying in Nanaimo. But prices are dropping. This morning a house listed last month 638 now 598. Two years ago they were low 400s
My alternative is rent. I was 50 percent investments and 50 percent equity. I am 57. Wife said she would be angry if we rented. So I laughed for a year listening to guys complain about the wife wanting to nest now I am one of them. So goes back to that post a few days ago, if you originally bought for $412 and your new house never drops below $412 have you really lost money? Anyway I can buy and live rent free. Yep ole Garth will say invest the $600,000 and live on A balanced portfolio which is great advice if you have nerves of steal, I am one of those who fear the market, even though I am fully invested.

#177 whiplash on 09.20.18 at 3:41 pm

How does the state of Colorado deal with work place accidents. If an employee is killed or injured on the job site and the company has state coverage for their WCB the first thing that is done is blood work. Any controlled substance including THC your WCB benefits are cut by 50%. A widow with two small children found that out after her husband was found dead on the job site (tangled up in a conveyor belt) that their survivor benefits that would have been $1600 a month are now $800 a month. He was smoking up at work, sad.

#178 Marco on 09.20.18 at 3:48 pm

always curious why people need drugs in the best country in the world…. Thousands of dead people every year. Why they wish to escape from paradise

#179 Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 4:35 pm

#154 MF on 09.20.18 at 12:05 pm
Guy in Calgary on 09.20.18 at 11:1

No. It also causes brain damage, and hinders crucial brain development particularly in young people and babies in the womb.

Add that it makes people lazy, is a gateway drug, and damages the lungs like all smoke does.

Did you factor health care costs (both psychological and physical) into your little analysis?

Other than miniscule tax revenue, there is zero benefit to society. It was only legalized as a vote buying ploy so people like you voted for T2.

MF
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Zero benefit to society? It helps people with PTSD and turrets. My grandfather was recently prescribed pot to deal with stomach issues and loss of appetite. It has improved his quality of life tremendously. I have seen members of my family pass away from alcoholism and pain pill addiction first hand. It is great for harm reduction in particular with alcoholics. I am not going to be one of those people that claim that weed solves everything (those people are equally annoying) but to say it has zero benefits is honestly just showing a bit of ignorance.

In terms of health care cost, it is a cheap and relatively safe pain killer. If we want to save on healthcare, all fast food restaurants, booze and prescription pain killers should be made illegal. That is how we would save. Obesity, poor diet and lack of exercise are the strains on healthcare.

Lazy people are lazy. The drug may make it worse for some but it is not the root cause of their laziness. It isn’t for everyone just like booze isn’t for everyone as they may be predisposed to addiction. Just because maybe it makes you lazy or you believe what the war on drugs fliers tell you, does not make it so. There are even strains available now that have the opposite effect.

Pregnant women should obviously not smoke pot. That is a weak argument. Sitting in a hot tub too long can harm an unborn baby not to mention FAS. Maybe we should make sushi illegal too since it harms unborn babies? Flying as well!

It being a gateway drug is a dumb war on drugs argument. I know plenty of people who smoke pot and only smoke pot. You know how they started smoking pot? Alcohol came first. Sadly it is socially acceptable to get plastered in front of kids and blacking out is looked at as funny.

Putting people in a jail for this pettiness is a bigger financial burden on the system then legalizing.

At the end of the day, people should be allowed to hit a vape, eat a cookie, smoke a joint in their own homes if they want. It is harmless if done responsibly just like most things in life. Just like most things, it can also be overdone but that is a weak legal argument.

#180 Mike D on 09.20.18 at 5:45 pm

You got one thing wrong. Cannabis smoke doesnt “stick to surfaces” like paint the way tobacco does. You can puff a literal hot box and the smell does clear out within a day or two. Unlike tobacco.

#181 AndImProWeed on 09.20.18 at 7:26 pm

Mike D #180
That’s not what the lady who moved into Seth Rogan’s old office says!

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/04/seth-rogen-marijuana-smell-amy-pascal_n_6800452.html

#182 Gerold on 09.20.18 at 8:52 pm

If you like your dealer, keep your dealer because everything the government touches turns to crap!

#183 George S on 09.20.18 at 9:32 pm

Four plants in 3 litre pots of potting soil that is mostly peat moss in a small grow tent lit by an LED grow light are in no way even slightly similar to a marijuana grow op. The entire set up would cost about $500 and cost about $10 per month for electricity. Four plants grown in this way will produce at most 800 grams of weed 2 or 3 times per year, more likely 100 grams a couple times a year. Almost everybody has more house plants by weight and volume than this.
The plants do smell though and the smell is very strong. But, there are affordable activated charcoal odour removal systems available for under $200. That is why you grow them in a sealed tent. You have to realize that up until now people have been growing as much weed as they want and you haven’t been able to smell it because they have been using odour control systems.

Mostly these ridiculous rules put out by condo boards will help prospective condo owners realize that when you buy a condo you are selling your soul to the condo board. (which IMO is similar to selling your soul to the devil)(knock three times and then walk in….WTF)

#184 DON on 09.20.18 at 9:46 pm

The issue is not sanctioning existing inebriants but the logic of making more universally accessible. – Garth

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I know new day new topic. but…

Maybe we should focus on the existing legal inebriants and their noticeable impacts on society. Yes the elephant in the room The Big A.

#185 Turtleguy on 09.20.18 at 9:53 pm

HA HA!! See what happens when you dare to question the sense in smoking weed? The potheads lose it! I love the fairy tales about it curing cancer (like it did for Bob Marley? And he smoked a jungle of the stuff!) Or the great, “It worked for Denver!” if you consider the impaired driving fatality rates tripling a success.

I just think we’re going to get two classes of people. The winners who know it makes you fat and lazy, and the losers who deny it’s made them fat and lazy.

Should be fun to watch!

#186 UNIFOR on 09.21.18 at 9:07 am

Jerry Dias says “No deal on NAFTA”

#187 espressobob on 09.21.18 at 4:55 pm

There are better highs in life than drugs.

Those are the ones you have to earn.