The spoiler

In 1988, when most blog readers were laying rubber in their Huggies, I was elected as a federal Progressive Conservative MP. It was an upset, of course. I was a maverick. Beat out a big party insider. Had a beard, for God’s sake.

Anyway, my plurality of votes was the largest in Ontario. The prime minister was naturally suspicious, but Mulroney was a tolerant guy, and gave me lots of rope. Over the next four years I did my thing, and held over 100 Town Hall meeting across the sprawling rising to ensure everybody was heard (blogs weren’t yet mainstream). Local Liberals were despondent. At their annual meeting, pre-election, nobody would stand as a candidate against me. “Hey, I’ll do it, as a favour” said an ancient, ex-provincial MPP from the back of the room (as he told me later).

He was acclaimed. It was a suicide mission.

And then came Preston Manning. The Reform Party attracted the hard-right, anti-deficit, anti-immigration, Triple-E Senate, direct democracy conservatives away from the moderates. The support was never enough to elect members in Ontario (my riding included), but it was sure enough to split the vote. The downfall of the PCs (now led by Kim Campbell, with me as a minister) was epic. When the smoke cleared there were but two seats left of the former ruling party. Mine wasn’t one of them. In terms of votes nationally, I came third. Close. No cigar.

The next eight years went to the Liberals. Reform fizzled back into oblivion. Conservatives were zeroes until they re-united. (In 2005 I re-entered Parliament. Big mistake.)

Politics is mathematics. With a first-past-the-post system, we elect majorities with a minority of voters. Splitting support between the right or left yields results most people never actually wanted.  It makes it almost impossible for some parties (like the Greens) to gain representation. And because Canadians more often vote against the bums in power than for the new bums, swings can be extreme. Look what happened in Alberta, BC or Ontario lately.

Anyway, enter Max.

After losing the leadership of the Conservatives last year, Quebec MP, former Cabinet minister and right-leaning libertarian dude Max Bernier has been a pain in the tailfeathers of young Andrew Scheer, who did win. He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care.

Bernier represents a Canadian version of the populism which has bubbled up globally wherever middle class voters feel screwed over by modern times. The enemy is big government, globalized markets, porous borders and over-regulation. Sound familiar? It should. Such sentiment helped elect Trump, wrench Britain out of the EU, defeat the TPP, gut the Paris Accord on climate change and brew turmoil across Europe, including Germany, France and Italy.

Where Max may differ (and I know the man) is in his attitude towards trade. He is an utterly no-barrier guy, a free-trader, free-enterpriser who refused to kowtow to the cow industry in his native Quebec. That stance against supply management cost him the leadership, as the dairy guys rallied around Scheer, despite his western roots.

As you know, Bernier bolted from the Cons at a moment carefully designed to cause the greatest amount of damage – as the annual party conflab opened, this one in Halifax. He announced his departure, plus plans to start a new political party which would contest every riding in the election next autumn. In response, the leader was apoplectic. Justin Trudeau, when asked his reaction, merely smirked.

Now, a few weeks later, where are we?

In a word, if you are young Andrew, pooched. While 70% of Canadians would not consider supporting Mad Max, according to a new Nik Nanos poll, 17% would and another 12% are willing to be convinced. Of course this doesn’t translate directly into votes, and it’s always easier to lie to a pollster than actually do something, but seventeen per cent is humungous. Not enough to win many (if any) MPs, but certainly enough to elect a slew of Liberals in ridings where Cons today are competitive.

Remember, it’s all about math, not ideology.

Said pollster Nanos in releasing the results: “The narrative that the Conservatives are divided, that there is an individual who was almost the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada who has walked away very stridently because of his belief that the party has lost its way, is probably more damaging to the Conservative Party than the actual number of votes that he would get.”

So, Max understands what he’s doing. Part ambition, part ideology, part revenge. He may attract those who love none-of-the-above, who seek a maple-coated Trump, who think government is the enemy or just want to see fewer immigrants. But if the next year brings more support, 2019 will be the one and only time Mr. Scheer runs to be prime minister.

175 comments ↓

#1 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 5:05 pm

Dear God. 4 more years of T2.

Take a tour of Venezuela to see what your future holds in store.

#2 Mad Max on 09.04.18 at 5:12 pm

He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care?

Hell yes!

Let’s get this guy in now!

#3 Penny Henny on 09.04.18 at 5:13 pm

Jimmy was here…..first

#4 Vancouver Lowest Sales Record on 09.04.18 at 5:15 pm

August – lowest sales on record. Just dipped lower than the financial crisis.

Meanwhile I just saw a house listed in South Vancouver for 788K.

Keep going Hulk Horgan!

Crash in progress.

#5 Howard on 09.04.18 at 5:20 pm

I was very young at the time, but I don’t recall Preston Manning ever being anti-immigration. Do you have anecdotes to prove that claim aside from Chretien Broadcasting Corporation’s (as the CBC should have been called in the 90s) propaganda? Reform weren’t “hard-right”, they were right-leaning populists at a time when the Liberals and Tories were laughably Quebec-obsessed and indistinguishable on the left of the spectrum. There were a few loony MPs in the Reform caucus but were they any loonier than Svend Robinson?

Oh, and Go Bernier Go!

#6 Linda on 09.04.18 at 5:21 pm

A thought provoking explanation on the effects of vote splitting. Alberta will be having a provincial election in 2019 & the former Conservatives have morphed into the UCP – United Conservative Party – with mixed results. Last I heard, various factions were still stabbing each other with rusty knives within the ‘new’ party. Remains to be seen if a name rebranding from Conservative to UCP will be enough to sway voters into voting for the UCP or whether the current NDP will win a second term.

#7 PBrasseur on 09.04.18 at 5:22 pm

At least Bernier proposes an alternative for this socialist country and it’s cartel economy. No-one else does.

And he’s right to be pissed as his leadership was stolen by fake conservatives belonging to the milk cartel.

This country is screwed anyway no matter what Mad Max does or not.

#8 America's Moist Wanted on 09.04.18 at 5:35 pm

Remember Mad Maxime’s stripper/biker girlfriend? I will stick with Andrew

#9 AGuyInVancouver on 09.04.18 at 5:42 pm

Bernier may be shallow, as has been suggested, but it seems he has enough strong convictions that are at odds with the Conservative Party to justify starting a new party. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

#10 TheDood on 09.04.18 at 5:44 pm

#2 Mad Max on 09.04.18 at 5:12 pm
He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care?

Hell yes!

Let’s get this guy in now!
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Here here……………

#11 Debtslavecreator on 09.04.18 at 5:47 pm

Max buddy I would love to vote for you but for all of us right of centre voters please work on getting rid of Scheer
Your and our only hope
Or somehow bring over enough of your fellow current PCs into your own party ASAP
You cannot run on your own with part of the current PC base
Trudeau loves you for this.
Please re consider – I can’t take another 4 yearsbofbthis neoliberal kleptocracy/ wannabe left wing crooks
Please save us and our country

#12 Alex from Edmonton on 09.04.18 at 5:47 pm

Sounds like First Past the Post is the real villain here. Good thing 2015 was to be the last federal election using that outdated system! Trudeau promised!

#13 Parksville Prankster on 09.04.18 at 5:51 pm

… so what was that ETF or RE topic? Err, umm, almost thought I’d wandered into the wrong blog there for a moment. ;)

Politics is pivotal to economics, taxes and investments. – Garth

#14 Benny McBane on 09.04.18 at 5:55 pm

Max needs to relax and take a robax!
He would have had so much more power if the Cons won a minority and then he could have threatened to leave at that point. Scheer would have given in to some of his politics to keep the team together. Now they won’t be able to govern in 4. Hopefully in 8 life will be great! Instead now we are doomed to another 4 years of real money (true dough).

#15 Max a real conservative on 09.04.18 at 5:55 pm

Andrew Scheer is more a Liberal bum then a conservative like max. Flat tax no capital gains. See you later communist Scheer. Any conservative voting for scheer is a moron.

#16 Split Shine on 09.04.18 at 5:56 pm

Oh Bernier, you’re a monster, but bless your upstart heart
A great many voters would like nothing more than to see Stephen Harper’s legacy dismantled while he’s still alive to watch it…
Thanks, Max!

#17 Drill Baby Drill on 09.04.18 at 5:56 pm

Remember Mad Maxime’s stripper/biker girlfriend? I will stick with Mad Maxime.

#18 Reximus on 09.04.18 at 5:59 pm

The Mad Max Party needs actual candidates, in a LOT of ridings…doubt it amounts to much more than his

#19 Drill Baby Drill on 09.04.18 at 6:01 pm

I have always felt over the years that we will only change our direction in Canada if we have a major fail. For example a province going absolutely broke over health care costs, immigration overwhelming our borders, collapse of entire industries, you get the picture. It is human nature not to change until you absolutely have to. We currently have the high possibility of accelerating interest rates, stagnant oil & gas production, mining and lumber industrial slow downs not to mention autos. Change is a coming.

#20 Remembrancer on 09.04.18 at 6:02 pm

#5 Howard on 09.04.18 at 5:20 pm
There were a few loony MPs in the Reform caucus but were they any loonier than Svend Robinson?
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A Manning saying, so I was told, was something to the effect that when you turn on a porch light you’re going to attract some bugs. Not quite taking ownership of the movement in my mind unless prepared to carry a fly swatter…

#21 ovidet on 09.04.18 at 6:05 pm

Are you thinking of running in the South Shore—St. Margarets district?

Funny guy. – Garth

#22 Kelsey on 09.04.18 at 6:10 pm

So being a Libertarian that wants free trade and smaller government makes one a “populist”? It’s about time to stand for something otherwise all political parties will end up looking exactly the same just kowtowing to every special interest group out there at the expense of the ordinary consumer and taxpayer.

#23 Doug t on 09.04.18 at 6:11 pm

Anybody who has had a stripper/biker girlfriend is at least more interesting than 90% of the bores who comment on this blog

RATM

#24 Vladlen on 09.04.18 at 6:11 pm

Can someone please explain me why PFF (iShares US Preferred Stock ETF) is almost 6% is down year-to-year?

#25 Ed on 09.04.18 at 6:16 pm

Sheer should resign and open the way for Bernier.

#26 Wrk.dover on 09.04.18 at 6:17 pm

#8 America’s Moist Wanted on 09.04.18 at 5:35 pm
Remember Mad Maxime’s stripper/biker girlfriend? I will stick with Andrew

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Julie Couillard

She is all I see in my mind when I hear his name.

And also maybe when I don’t hear his name.

#27 Lorne on 09.04.18 at 6:19 pm

Your whole blog is an advertisement for the need for a Proportional Representation voting system in this country. Too bad Trudeau lied to the voters!

#28 JacqueShellacque on 09.04.18 at 6:20 pm

“Politics is mathematics. With a first-past-the-post system, we elect majorities with a minority of voters. Splitting support between the right or left yields results most people never actually wanted.”

If this were true, Garth, then splits between NDP and Libs should’ve been common enough to keep Libs out of power for most of the last half century, but that isn’t the case. By my rough count since 1963 (55 years ago) we’ve had 20 years of Conservative governments. I think it can be argued that having alternatives increases the voter pool. Other than the last Ontario election, I can’t think of an example where the Libs warned or were warned about the possibility of the Nee-Dips splittlng the non-Conservative vote (even though in a first-past-the-post system, as you state, this is inevitable in many cases), and explicitly gearing their strategy around avoiding this possibility. Certified (certifiable?) deplorables like myself welcome Max’s honesty, and this might bring more voters in. As a lifelong Conservative voter, I don’t know that I’ll be able to bring myself to vote for the party of Scheer, since I can’t tell the difference between he and Trudeau, and I bet many others feel the same.

#29 Stan Brooks on 09.04.18 at 6:24 pm

It seems the role of BoC is not to have markets determining cost of money through supply, demand and market interest rates.

No, they want to keep the sheeple enslaved through max credit/for max profit extraction for the banks.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-canada-expected-keep-rates-172143755.html


But Benjamin Reitzes, Canadian rates and macro strategist at BMO Capital Markets, said the central bank is still focusing on issues such as how households with high debt are coping with rising rates, even though the data so far suggests that higher rates have been manageable.

“The slowing housing market and new mortgage rules have caused debt growth to decelerate, but it’s going to take time to work off debt burdens and bring debt ratios down,” Reitzes said.

“Barring a big burst of sustainable income growth, elevated debt burdens will keep the bank patient.”

That’s is folks, simple as that: you live to feed the banks.

Government, CMHC, BoC will ensure you do just that in a fine, obedient manner.

In normal markets lenders won’t give a flying f..k about struggling borrowers/see Greece.

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And hey, we won’t compromise on NAFTA:

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/canadian-pm-indicates-not-bend-key-nafta-demands-205031191.html

It seems our elite has gone full retard.
Watch for the loonie and take cover. Ii is going to be smelly.

#30 EdwardBear on 09.04.18 at 6:24 pm

In Alberta it appears that the Provincial UCP Conservatives support vote could also be split in the 2019 contest by a new party further to the right of the UCP.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-derek-fildebrandt-freedom-conservative-party-alberta-1.4752653

#31 Preston nailed it... on 09.04.18 at 6:28 pm

“What’s the difference between a politician and a catfish? One is a wide-mouthed, bottom-feeding, slime sucker – and the other is a fish.”

#32 dakkie on 09.04.18 at 6:28 pm

Housing Bubble Pops in Sydney & Melbourne, Australia

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/housing-bubble-pops-in-sydney-melbourne-australia/

#33 SPECTACULAR on 09.04.18 at 6:32 pm

#26 Wrk.dover on 09.04.18 at 6:17 pm

#8 America’s Moist Wanted on 09.04.18 at 5:35 pm
Remember Mad Maxime’s stripper/biker girlfriend? I will stick with Andrew

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Julie Couillard

She is all I see in my mind when I hear his name.

And also maybe when I don’t hear his name.

#34 Zapstrap on 09.04.18 at 6:34 pm

Think I’ve said it before … It’s just a shame that we have to vote someone out instead of someone in. Just kicking the can down the road … again. We need someone to vote FOR.

#35 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 09.04.18 at 6:34 pm

No doubt Max Bernier does not want to go gently. On immigration and dairy issues everybody (Garth incl) both Liberal and Conservative kowtow to the “status quo” and even any “debate” is a testament of “racism” or “alt right extremist”. I agree totally with Garth’s blog on all but the log jam in ideology re immigration and dairy and public health might have met its match.

#36 ImGonnaBeSick on 09.04.18 at 6:34 pm

Strategically, people should still vote for Scheer. T2 is too extreme to endure 4 more years of. He is the last gasp of the hyper left… And that’s dangerous. Scheer should do whatever he has to do to get Maxime back, finance minister would be fine, or like Butts(head), Senior Adviser… I can’t afford more Trudeau, and neither can anyone in my circles…

#37 Eco Capitalist on 09.04.18 at 6:42 pm

The only reason I voted for Trudeau was because he promised to make it about the ideology, not the math. He lied, and so the farce continues.

Perhaps one of the parties should put forth a vision of Canada that the people can rally behind.

It won’t happen, of course, because that would require real leadership.

Sigh.

#38 KLNR on 09.04.18 at 6:42 pm

go max go, LOL.

It’s amusing watching various conservative parties destroy themselves with in-fighting year in year out.

#39 Stan Brooks on 09.04.18 at 6:42 pm

How lending should work:

Interest rates are determined by the credit rating of the borrower. The less credit you have, the more you can pay in future loans, so you are a good borrower with lower/close to market rates due to being lower risk.

What if your debtors are up to the eyeballs in debt, like the highest private debt as % of GDP in the whole wild world as we have currently?

Shouldn’t your risk be higher resulting in higher interest rates? Look at Argentina.

Of course the rates should be much higher.

How to solve the problem so we can keep lending and profiting?

No problem, just transfer the risk/potential losses to the sheeple and the beauty is it pays for it through mortgage insurance (hello CMHC) so the banks keep profiting with no risk.

Pure genius, elite loves it, rinse and repeat until…. you can’t increase rates with inflation running wild by even 1 % without blowing the whole scheme up.

You call it ‘affordable’ housing with houses priced at 1.5 million on 75 k before tax family incomes.

Whoever does not like this Perpetuum Mobile version of the economy is Trump’s or a Russian troll.

As for savers and borrowers, who cares, just some collateral in the big scheme of things. We will import some more, no problem.

And then it hits the fan. Watching currently in real time.

#40 Millennial Realist on 09.04.18 at 6:43 pm

You nailed it Garth. Pretty sharp for a paleo Boomer ;)

The voices of the conservatards in this comment section, people like crowdedfartz and jacqueshellacque and smoking man and howard are exactly the sort of dimwits who will propel Max to some very damaging results, Boomer dinosaurs and their shills and useful idiots. Hahahahaha :)

This, along with the massive generational shift happening right now will guarantee millennial/left of centre rule for at least two generations. Boomers won’t recognize the greater country that we will create, but it won’t matter since most of them will be gone in a decade.

GOD BLESS MAX AND ALL HIS SHEEPLE !!!

#41 Edward Bear on 09.04.18 at 6:44 pm

#1 Smoking Man

Funny, living here hasn’t been as bad as all that during some periods of sobriety which you might recall?

“Canada became a mature democracy in 1918, when women got the vote. Since then, there have been 29 elections, of which the Liberals have won 19. They’ve governed Canada for roughly 70 percent of the last century. (New Republic 2015 figures)

I don’t concur with everything that JT has done to date but a no longer progressive Conservative Scheer party or an even further right Bernier mightn’t be much fun for many Canadians either.

#42 IM in C on 09.04.18 at 6:44 pm

@23 Doug T
The trouble with stripper/biker girlfriends is that they tend to also report back to their ex-biker boyfriend(s)

#43 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.04.18 at 6:47 pm

For all you people out there that think Bernier is the next Messiah.

Give your head a shake.

Bernier is all about Bernier and when his ego couldnt handle not being the Leader of a Party…….he created his own……
And his dalliances with strippers should foster a huge voting block from 50% of the population to swing anywhere but Bernier……
A french version of Trump. Nothing more.

#44 Jim on 09.04.18 at 6:50 pm

If he’s for less immigration, he’ll get lots of support.

#45 AB Boxster on 09.04.18 at 6:56 pm

#6 Linda on 09.04.18 at 5:21 pm

Remains to be seen if a name rebranding from Conservative to UCP will be enough to sway voters into voting for the UCP or whether the current NDP will win a second term.

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If you believe this then you have spent any time in Alberta or have any sense of the Alberta electorate.
The anger at the provincial and federal governments is very high and growing daily.

The NDP will be summarily trounced in the next election.

It will likely be one of the largest conservative victories ever in Alberta.

The NDP and Notley, aside being socialist idealogues, have run the provincial deficit from $0 to over $45 billion today, and projected to be over $95 billion should they actually win again.

They have hitched themselves to the regressive, social licence idiots of this country, who will not allow another energy project or pipeline to be built.

Their climate change policy BS and social licence BS is about the be thrown on the trash heap of bad ideas, and the NDP will be banished to the political wasteland that they deserve to live in.

#46 The Wet One on 09.04.18 at 7:02 pm

Oh well.

That’s business in Canadian politics.

It’s mostly a left of center country anyways. Has been since forever. The Liberals didn’t become the most successful political party in democratic history without having the support of the Canadian people the majority of the time. They may not have spent the most time in office federally compared to the Alberta PC’s (43 years in power. Lordy people, throw those bums out!!!), but they managed 61 years in power in the last century and 9 of 18 this century to date.

As for Canada becoming Venezuela, well, wait until weed’s actually legal before smoking up that much would ya? It’d be really dumb to go to jail on weed 6 weeks before it’s legalized. Seriously guy. Take that advice. It’ll be good for you.

#47 Waiverless on 09.04.18 at 7:09 pm

#24 Vladlen on 09.04.18 at 6:11 pm
Can someone please explain me why PFF (iShares US Preferred Stock ETF) is almost 6% is down year-to-year?

Unlike ZPR, HPR and CPD which contain more rate reset shares that increase in value as interest rates rise – American preferred share ETFs hold more perpetual preferred shares which pay a set amount not related to rising rates. So in a rising rate environment over time they’re less valuable due to the fixed nature of the payment over time.

That’s the gist of it as I understand it.

#48 AK on 09.04.18 at 7:16 pm

#1 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 5:05 pm
“Dear God. 4 more years of T2.
Take a tour of Venezuela to see what your future holds in store.”
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T2 and the Liberals will not have a party status after the next election.
Whether Bernier has a chance or not, It’s way too early to tell.

#49 Fun By the Sea on 09.04.18 at 7:26 pm

Max is a bright guy. For the moment he’ll be talking about running candidates in every riding, but, realistically, he’ll be able to run people in between 30 and 50 ridings, 75 at a stretch. If he does that he can make sure that the crazies are excluded and he may be able to attract some stars.

He’ll want to ignore really safe Conservative seats and bypass seats where the Libs took 50% of the vote or more. He’ll want to target NDP seats in Quebec and non-urban Liberal seats out west. He can write off the Maritimes. In battlefield Ontario, looking for suburban, non-ethnic seats held by the Libs or the Cons would be smart.

If he is very smart he’ll establish a backdoor channel to Conservative organizers in BC and Alberta as well as parts of Manitoba and Ontario and offer them a deal: he won’t run a candidate in particular ridings provided they put up very little fight where his candidates are running. There are plenty of “real” conservatives who would be delighted to see Trudeau lose but unhappy to have Trudeau-lite as the winner. Elect a few Max MPs and Scheer will have to actually govern as a conservative.

#50 Vanecdotal on 09.04.18 at 7:26 pm

Electoral reform to a form of prop rep (that is difficult to manipulate by special interest groups) is arguably THE single most important issue facing Canada now. All symptoms of our accelerating societal and economic discord seem to flow from our failing FPTP ‘democracy’.

As suspected Trudon’t bailed on that promise right after being elected. I’m at the point where the first party that can deliver on this critical promise gets my vote. Our de facto 2 party system, where leaders are ‘selected’, not truly elected, is the root ‘disease’, everything else is just a symptom of this dysfunction.

I wonder what the Conservatarian would think about electoral reform?

#51 Howard on 09.04.18 at 7:27 pm

#16 Split Shine on 09.04.18 at 5:56 pm
Oh Bernier, you’re a monster, but bless your upstart heart
A great many voters would like nothing more than to see Stephen Harper’s legacy dismantled while he’s still alive to watch it…
Thanks, Max!

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What is Harper’s legacy? Fiscal prudence? Respect abroad? Already dismantled by PM Tooth Fairy.

#52 akashic record on 09.04.18 at 7:37 pm

“Remember, it’s all about math, not ideology.”

Except that ideology translates to those numbers.

Mr. Scheer has the option to accommodate and be inclusive for Max supporters – or that 2019 will be the one and only time Mr. Scheer runs to be prime minister.

A politician, aiming for power would know which one to pick.

Mr. Scheer probably picks not to be the prime minister ever.

The reason is simple: his mandate is to provide a slightly different version of globalism, but still the same globalism that Trudeau (and you) supports.

Canada will have an other 4 years of globalist government. Probably the red globalism, versus the blue globalism.

All bets are off after that.
By then most likely real political alternative will be organized, which sweeps away both the red and the blue version of globalism.

Someone will actually take a more serious look at what’s now shrugged off as some kind of an anomaly that a whiny minority just will have to get used to.

As you put it so elegantly: “wherever middle class voters feel screwed over by modern times”.

The problem with this simplified conclusion, that never seen any real economic, political analysis, is that the quality of life, standard of living continues to widen way beyond the middle class boundaries and it will be impossible to label it as the problem of “old white men”, who could not make it to the 1%ers, they just need to die off, and all problems are solved.

#53 AB Boxster on 09.04.18 at 7:39 pm

And yet you ,Garth, refused to compromise your principles and were summarily turfed from the Conservative caucus.

I suspect you do not regret your actions.
You could of course, have compromised your principles, remained a part of the Conservative caucus, and perhaps become leader of the party, or at least affected more change than you could sitting as an independent.

Of course, running as a liberal in the next election, really does serve to show that there was no real difference between the two parties back then.

And the fact that the Conservatives have move so much farther left, with no real defined principles, show that there is not that much difference between the two parties.

Well other than the fact that Scheer is not an idiotic, feminist , dress up clown with no qualifications other than a recognizable last name.

#54 Howard on 09.04.18 at 7:39 pm

What’s with all the puritans here obsessing over Bernier’s pas sexual indiscretions? Who cares? At least his affairs were consensual, unlike T2 who fondles unwilling women at festivals (what a creep).

#55 the Jaguar on 09.04.18 at 7:42 pm

Is he (Mad Max) a spoiler? Obviously.
Will he divide the vote? See above.
Is he an opportunist? Is there a politician who is not?
You can criticize the guy till the cows come home and it’s acknowledged that some know him and his motives better than others………….
None of which sets aside the reality that Scheer is a ‘nothing burger’. It appears his vote can be bought with respect to Supply Management. And on what other issue we might imagine?
While Bernier might be populist and controversial he at least actually stands up for something. Whether we agree or disagree we can reach out and feel substance. With Scheer there in nothing there. He also has zero personal charisma. Even Harper had more, even if he channeled it through Laureen.

#56 casta on 09.04.18 at 7:44 pm

Why would anyone vote for liberal-lite Sheer, when you can vote for the real thing – Justin? Bernier is the only option for actual change, and if he runs a candidate in my riding he’ll get my vote.

#57 Ex Pat Canuck on 09.04.18 at 7:50 pm

Ah, starting to see now why the PM broke his election promise of implementing representative democracy in Canada. Perhaps he was right when thinking about Max in this scenario…he just may have made an excellent decision to walk away from that promise, both for his own political future, and that of the greater good of Canada. Now I understand why Andrew was so upset when Max quit, too. Pretty sure all the Trumpsters north of the border will cast their ballot for Max, thus ensuring, for better or for worse, a second term for young Justin.
Thanks for the primer on the Max topic, Garth, very informative.

#58 Nonplused on 09.04.18 at 7:58 pm

We must get the word out to conservative voters everywhere not to repeat the Reform and Wild Rose party mistakes. Because of the confibulated way our election system works, and the number of people there are that vote left, splitting the right will guarantee 4 more years of Turdeau.

Remember Alberta folks! There was hardly a riding where if you assumed there was only a single candidate and added up the Wild Rose and Conservative votes that candidate wouldn’t have won. Maybe a few in Edmonton. Nutely probably would have got a seat, but not the premiership. There is some possibility perhaps that if Danielle Smith and the other treasonous members hadn’t crossed the floor maybe Wild Rose could have got enough momentum to win, but after that happened the election was pretty much handed to Nutely with a minority of the votes. And now look what’s happened. She’s rammed her agenda down a population that for the most part did not vote for it, let Fort McMurry burn while sipping beers in a pub, imposed a totally ridiculous carbon tax on a public that can’t afford anymore taxes, passed out money to a bunch of “green” projects that won’t ever generate much electricity, started a trade war with BC (of all places!) and virtually stalled the Alberta economy.

Folks, Preston Manning proved once and for all that due to the way the Canadian election system works, the right must, ahem excuse the phrase, unite. Otherwise Turdeau won’t even have to campaign to win. And after 4 more years of Turdeau, the right will have to combine again anyway just like what happened with the Reform and Wild Rose parties. Therefore the best place to address any problems within the Conservative party is at the party level. Get involved at your riding level and vote for the candidate that you believe best represents your values, heck throw the old bum out if necessary, but once a candidate is put forward by the party for Dog’s sake vote for them! Who knows what kind of crazy policies Turdeau will come up with once he knows he can’t be defeated.

#59 BS on 09.04.18 at 8:03 pm

But if the next year brings more support, 2019 will be the one and only time Mr. Scheer runs to be prime minister.

It will be the one and only time for Scheer anyway. I can’t see Scheer getting enough support to win even with Mad Max sitting on the sidelines. There is zero appeal to Scheer other than he is not T2. At least Mad Max running will add some much needed debate topics to the election.

#60 Richard pikulski on 09.04.18 at 8:05 pm

I’m joining. Tax reform. No supply management. Cap. Gains. Great . We have investment again. Floating these ideas in Brant. Cant wait 4 bernier to win

#61 young & foolish on 09.04.18 at 8:05 pm

Yup, conservatives everywhere are more or less “pooched” … the future belongs to the young … and they are ok with encroaching socialism …. more regulations and controls for everybody …. hehehe

#62 -=jwk=- on 09.04.18 at 8:09 pm

He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care?

Hell yes!

Let’s get this guy in now!
——————————

Yes, just look at the paradise Trump is building just south of here. Paradise for mega-corporations of course, not the people who live there. Your utopia already exists: :Chicago – its everything you’ve ever wanted! Move there today! Of course then you would be the immigrant…

#63 Long-Time Lurker on 09.04.18 at 8:09 pm

Since Mad Max is running can I vote for Tina Turner?

A vote for Tina Turner is a vote for Garth Turner?

#64 young & foolish on 09.04.18 at 8:14 pm

The hate-on for middle of the road politics on this blog is astounding. Sadly, you “self made” (hahaha) macho’s don’t really know what enables you to make a living.

Obama was right … no, you didn’t make this all by yourself.

#65 MF on 09.04.18 at 8:15 pm

Bernier is coming off as selfish and childish.

The country really needs a strong Conservative party right now.

And now this.

For this guy to put some petty personal vendetta in front of the needs of the entire country speaks volumes of his character. To me it looks like pure sabotage.

He’s like a little kid having a temper tantrum and throwing all the toys around so no one can play with them anymore. Pathetic.

MF

#66 MF on 09.04.18 at 8:19 pm

Context is important too.

The Liberals have their own problems, since Jagmeet will split the Liberal vote. Also, by election time this whole Bernier saga will most likely be forgotten.

Conservative minority..by a hair.

MF

#67 Fluorine on 09.04.18 at 8:20 pm

Hopefully he doesn’t try to drum up a nobody candidate for every riding. Quality over quantity, definitely. And, as Fun By The Sea points out, hopefully they are in ridings where the conservatives are running nobodies, so the vote split won’t be that bad.

He only needs 13 seats for official party status… no sense in crushing the dreams of the right with a slate of lunatics across the board like the provincial NDP did here in Alberta.

I know many would vote Max>PC>anythingButJT. People would still rather have a PC seat than a Liberal seat, since it’s closer to their side of the spectrum.

And here in Alberta, barring the urban ridings, a majority will flip back to UCP. Hildebrant the crook has no chance, and won’t split many votes.

Just my guess.

~Flu

#68 PastThePeak on 09.04.18 at 8:23 pm

#27 Lorne on 09.04.18 at 6:19 pm
Your whole blog is an advertisement for the need for a Proportional Representation voting system in this country. Too bad Trudeau lied to the voters!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FPTP has its faults, as Garth has outlined, but proportional representation would be the death of Canada. And it would be a final death, as there would be no way to undo it.

Canada now has such a diverse population (left, right, green, ethinic, religious, language, east / west,…) that there would be dozens of parties. Nothing much would get done, but we would have a permanent deficit of 10’s or billions. There would never be a right of centre government again. Canadian politics would make Italy, Greece and Belgium seem like well governed nations.

I am so glad that T2 wasn’t serious.

#69 MF on 09.04.18 at 8:30 pm

#44 Jim on 09.04.18 at 6:50 pm
If he’s for less immigration, he’ll get lots of support.

-No he won’t.

MF

#70 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.04.18 at 8:31 pm

@#40 Millenial Surrealist
“The voices of the conservatards in this comment section…”
++++

I’m shocked!
Shocked I say, that a politically correct millenial would stoop to use such a vile , politically incorrect term to describe Conservatives.
Are you sure you’re a sensitive Millenial and not just a jealous opportunist waiting in the wings to tax and legislate(steal) everything Boomers have worked so hard for ?

And when you have it all …. will you look behind you at your jealous , even whinier offspring?
Scheming how to steal YOUR ill gotten gains?

Karma baby.

P.S.
I voted for Trudeau in the last election to get rid of Harpers arrogant ass.
It wont be happening again.

#71 SimplyPut7 on 09.04.18 at 8:31 pm

Maybe the next election will be a minority government where the Conservatives and the Extra Conservatives (does Max have a working title yet?) will be forced to work together so they don’t create ideas too left-leaning or too far right.

#72 A Yank in BC on 09.04.18 at 8:33 pm

#24 Vladlen on 09.04.18 at 6:11 pm
Can someone please explain me why PFF (iShares US Preferred Stock ETF) is almost 6% is down year-to-year?

I hold a small amount of PFF in my IRA. According to Morningstar, the Total Return of PFF over the last 52 weeks has been 2.83%. Don’t just look at NAV values.. very misleading.

#73 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.04.18 at 8:35 pm

@#77 Blacksheep
“You seem to suffering from, premature ejubilation.”
++++

Not bad!
Do you mind if I steal that?
I promise I wont use it here……..
:)

#74 Higher Mathematics on 09.04.18 at 8:53 pm

He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care.

—–

He left out the abolition of private central banks: proof positive- he’s an agent

#75 Higher Mathematics on 09.04.18 at 8:55 pm

let me rephrase that_ every leader on the world stage is an agent…..except Max…. ha ha ha

#76 Split Shine on 09.04.18 at 8:59 pm

#51 Howard
What is Harper’s legacy? Fiscal prudence? Respect abroad? Already dismantled by PM Tooth Fairy.

———————————————-
Fiscal prudence? Do you read this blog? Canadians are in over their head with household and real estate debt born of Conservative policy… Respect abroad? If you think the reason the world admire Canadians is because of Stephen Harper, well then you go ahead and think that…
Tooth Fairy? I can see you have intelligent criticisms.

#77 Leichendiener on 09.04.18 at 9:04 pm

‘Why this $620-million fund manager is reducing risk in his Canadian equity portfolio while loading up on U.S. value stocks’ Ryan made the Globe and Mail!

#78 Ken semotiuk on 09.04.18 at 9:07 pm

Max sounds like a Neocon to me? Aren’t Neocons what Trump is trying to destroy?

#79 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.04.18 at 9:10 pm

So it appears that Scheer, out of respect for the citizens of the country, should step down and give those of us on the right centre what we want.

Max Bernier.

#80 DD on 09.04.18 at 9:14 pm

Guess what Bernier supporters? Another JT majority, which is being fostered by the split right, all but ensures hikes to capital gains and dividend taxes. Stop dreaming of a flat tax and start thinking about strategic voting.

#81 Vanecdotal on 09.04.18 at 9:22 pm

Worth noting FPTP is used in relative few democractic countries. Canada is one of only 6 major democracies (as of 2012) that use FPTP. Out of 35 democracies most already use a form of PR or PR/Parallel voting, to varying degrees of success.

In that list are economic powerhouses, basketcases, and everything in between.

https://www.fairvote.org/research_electoralsystems_world

#82 Drill Baby Drill on 09.04.18 at 9:23 pm

Garth is wearing the same glasses as his ancient election posters.

#83 Chaddywack on 09.04.18 at 9:26 pm

People are saying Max did this out of spite, but he’s a smart guy.

I can’t see him trying to help Trudeau–he can’t stand him (kind of like most Canadians now that they’ve seen him in action)….

I think Max sees a minority government coming and an opportunity to possibly play kingmaker or draw Scheer more to the right….

#84 CRA coming after income verification for real estate on 09.04.18 at 9:46 pm

In an emailed response to Business in Vancouver, CMHC stated “there is no timeline in place for the co-operation with Canada Revenue Agency on income verification,” but industry sources expect it could roll out as early as October 1.

#85 Yuus bin Haad on 09.04.18 at 9:50 pm

Posters discovered during a Credit River reno, no doubt. Classic!

#86 Stone on 09.04.18 at 9:53 pm

#43 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.04.18 at 6:47 pm
For all you people out there that think Bernier is the next Messiah.

Give your head a shake.

Bernier is all about Bernier and when his ego couldnt handle not being the Leader of a Party…….he created his own……
And his dalliances with strippers should foster a huge voting block from 50% of the population to swing anywhere but Bernier……
A french version of Trump. Nothing more.

————

But consider the entertainment value. This could be epic.

And anyways, all Scheer has going for him is the perma-smirk on his face. Has he actually done anything since winning the conservative leadership? He does blend into the wallpaper nicely.

#87 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.04.18 at 9:57 pm

@#82 Drill Baby Drill
“Garth is wearing the same glasses as his ancient election posters.”
++++
Garth was a trend setter?
OR
Whats old is in style again!
Either way.
He da man!

#88 Fakeologist on 09.04.18 at 9:57 pm

If voting made a difference it would be illegal.

The debt and the bankers run this country. All these sideshows make no difference as long as the country is deep in the hole.

This is a re-do of the L. Bouchard show.

History repeats.

#89 Fruit Vendor on 09.04.18 at 9:59 pm

We need change!!! Mr. Trudeau has nothing for this country in my opinion except drive us all further into debt. The pipeline fiasco is a perfect example. We need a politician who is able to evaluate financial and societal questions and provide an answer/direction that makes sense for all Canadians. From my perspective, those in power both federally, provincially and I will include municipally are only making popular decisions that will extend their tenure. I want a government that says to me, “no we are going to do this because it is for the betterment of all into the future”, and I may not like it.

#90 Drill Baby Drill on 09.04.18 at 10:08 pm

Scheer is good at the Duck and Weave. Have you noticed he is really difficult to pin down on “Anything”. At least with Maxime you know where he stands. He is getting a lot of “you are not a team player or you are a spoilt sport etc, etc. He is the Leader we need in Canada. No more of these mamby pamby puff cakes.

#91 Mark on 09.04.18 at 10:09 pm

well that’s great. so the conservative vote will be split with this guy and the liberals will come out on top. bullet doged, freight train incoming.

#92 Lorne on 09.04.18 at 10:26 pm

#45 AB Boxster
#6 Linda

Remains to be seen if a name rebranding from Conservative to UCP will be enough to sway voters into voting for the UCP or whether the current NDP will win a second term.

————————————————
If you believe this then you have spent any time in Alberta or have any sense of the Alberta electorate.
The anger at the provincial and federal governments is very high and growing daily.

The NDP will be summarily trounced in the next election.

It will likely be one of the largest conservative victories ever in Alberta.

The NDP and Notley, aside being socialist idealogues, have run the provincial deficit from $0 to over $45 billion today, and projected to be over $95 billion should they actually win again.

They have hitched themselves to the regressive, social licence idiots of this country, who will not allow another energy project or pipeline to be built.

Their climate change policy BS and social licence BS is about the be thrown on the trash heap of bad ideas, and the NDP will be banished to the political wasteland that they deserve to live in.
………
So you’re say there’s a chance!

#93 CBC is the line sand! on 09.04.18 at 10:35 pm

Can you imagine Fox TV buying the CBC … that’s on the no-fly list.
– Unifor president Jerry Dias

#94 Doug t on 09.04.18 at 10:38 pm

#69 -no he won’t

Your in for a shock lol

RATM

#95 Lorne on 09.04.18 at 10:38 pm

#68 PastThePeak on 09.04.18 at 8:23 pm
#27 Lorne on 09.04.18 at 6:19 pm
Your whole blog is an advertisement for the need for a Proportional Representation voting system in this country. Too bad Trudeau lied to the voters!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FPTP has its faults, as Garth has outlined, but proportional representation would be the death of Canada. And it would be a final death, as there would be no way to undo it.

Canada now has such a diverse population (left, right, green, ethinic, religious, language, east / west,…) that there would be dozens of parties. Nothing much would get done, but we would have a permanent deficit of 10’s or billions. There would never be a right of centre government again. Canadian politics would make Italy, Greece and Belgium seem like well governed nations.

I am so glad that T2 wasn’t serious.
…….
As Vanecdotal in # 81 points out, only 6 major democracies in the world use FPTP. None of the “new” countries in Eastern Europe chose FPTP for their electoral system when they had a choice. 23 of 28 Western European countries utilize PR…and seem to be doing just fine. Your concerns are unsubstantiated.

#96 YVR 60% crash on 09.04.18 at 10:38 pm

Fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office,
no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the Feds out of health care.

Make Canada Great Again! You go Max!

#97 Putin Reality TV on 09.04.18 at 10:40 pm

I wonder if tRump will be a guest…

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tv-launches-new-show-dedicated-to-praising-putin-2018-9

#98 MF on 09.04.18 at 10:50 pm

#94 Doug t on 09.04.18 at 10:38 pm

“Your in for a shock lol

RATM”

No I’m not. The country is not anti immigrant. Far from it.

I thought T2 had no chance, but that might have just changed.

MF

#99 Jimers on 09.04.18 at 10:50 pm

To early to tell if Max will split or carry the vote.
Please note; Trump, Brexit , Ford.

#100 Long-Time Lurker on 09.04.18 at 11:00 pm

Can we rename the comments section to Garth Turner’s Thunderdome of Greater Fools?

#101 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 11:00 pm

48 AK on 09.04.18 at 7:16 pm
#1 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 5:05 pm
“Dear God. 4 more years of T2.
Take a tour of Venezuela to see what your future holds in store.”
=====================================
T2 and the Liberals will not have a party status after the next election.
Whether Bernier has a chance or not, It’s way too early to tell.
……

Perhaps, The right vote will split in two Also, the young left is going further left. NDP will make some traction. Might be a 4-way horse race.

But unless mad max and globalist Shceer kiss and make up. T2 gets to totally destroy Canada beyond anything you can imagen at this point in time.

#102 Fun By the Sea on 09.04.18 at 11:05 pm

Being a thousand years old I remember the shocked faces when the Refooooorm Party took a bunch of seats on Vancouver Island.

People are annoyed at Trudeau – and will be a lot more annoyed if he buggers up the trade file – and they are entirely indifferent to Scheer or Mr. Singh.

And the ladies, including my 93 year old mother, think Max is more than a little attractive.

Immigration, the deficit, high taxes, dumb trade tactics, pretending to be “Indian” while in India, a really awful launch for legal pot, falling house prices – the Libs have to have a “just so” story to hang on to a minority.

Max could be grand fun and PM as the Liberal-lite Conservative party dodders off to oblivion.

#103 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.04.18 at 11:09 pm

#21 ovidet on 09.04.18 at 6:05 pm
Are you thinking of running in the South Shore—St. Margarets district?

Funny guy. – Garth
———–
Not funny.
Me thinks that Garth is trying to get his feet again.
If he wins, Smoking Man can moderate the blog.

#104 Slow Canada on 09.04.18 at 11:14 pm

Great pic, Garth!

#105 joblo on 09.04.18 at 11:15 pm

Welcome to Balkanada.
4MORE years of T2 should bout do it.
150 years to prove the system is broke (in more ways that one).
Vote Lieberal.

#106 Jimers on 09.04.18 at 11:30 pm

#62 -=jwk=-

Or the paradise Obama built; 2008 bailout, out of control wildfires due to poor forestry practices, Obama-care, mass exodus of US manufacturing jobs, PRNK out of control, Iran, Libya, Ukraine, Chinese spies everywhere, Fast & Furious, mass illegal immigration …
There is a reason Trump got elected.

#107 Dolce Vita on 09.04.18 at 11:59 pm

People talk with their hands on their heart.

People vote with their hands on their wallet.

Scheer the demeanor of Poppin’ Fresh (looks like him too).

Trudeau’s less than capable mind comprised of 4 or 5 pre-recorded axioms that play like sugar and spice, everything nice.

The other guy, who cares except died in the wool save the trees, bees, whales, snails radical left types.

Bernier a breath of fresh air compared to the above but alas, a hands on their heart enfant terrible candidate that would anyways side with Poppin’ Fresh in Parliament.

Have faith in “hands on their wallet” and thus, human nature Garth.

Whomever promises that and is half credible, wins.

– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

PS: Garth, do try to be cheery. You have been despondent the last while. All things come to pass as they always have. Hills and valleys of life, have faith in that one maxim.

#108 BS on 09.05.18 at 12:08 am

“Trudeau says Canada won’t sign NAFTA deal without a dispute resolution process, culture protections”

No mention of protecting supply management. Looks like T2 just gave in to all Trumps demands. Trump will let him keep “culture protections”. LOL

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-wont-sign-nafta-deal-without-dispute-resolution-process-culture-protections-trudeau

#109 JRT on 09.05.18 at 12:22 am

Nice break from the usual RE articles. I am going by memory, but were you junior finance minister? I would like to know why the govt. did not borrow money from the Bank Of Canada at none or low interest rate. T1 stopped that and borrowed from the IMF at considerably higher rates. Was there any chance of this being reversed back in the 80’s?

#110 Young Boomer on 09.05.18 at 12:30 am

I purchased a Conservative membership for the first time to vote for Maxime Bernier and cannot get behind Scheer’s weak version of the CPC.

I’ll vote for Mad Max because I like his policies – simple as that.

#111 Doug t on 09.05.18 at 12:47 am

#98 MF -I thought T2 had no chance , but that might have just changed

Hokey Smokers People – that comment just about says it all LOL

RAMT

#112 Millenial1982 on 09.05.18 at 12:49 am

Ford won, Max next…no?!

#113 jane24 on 09.05.18 at 12:49 am

i live in Italy part time each year so have direct experience of the PR system. It doesn’t work. 20 parties all focused on bleeding the state and agreeing on nothing has resulted in 60 govts in 60 years since WW2. Nothing ever changes plus since the voters have no direct choice of individual candidates just a party list, there no way of getting out corrupt or stupid MPs. These folk stay on the gravel train forever. Even the Prime Minister there is a party chosen outsider and has nothing to do with the electorate. The only way of ordering so many parties.

The current Italian govt is a collation of extreme right and extreme left parties only united in their hatred of the EU and the euro. The deputy PM there just called the EU lot ******* filth to the media. This should make for a stable govt but I do as a Brexiteer like the sentiment.

The FPTP system does make for a majority govt most of the time so policies do get done plus individual ridings have individual candidates so anyone not worthy of being your MP can be booted out. There is a direct voter/candidate relationship.

Do think carefully about what you wish for. Not all greener fields and fairy dust.

#114 Dolce Vita on 09.05.18 at 12:55 am

“turmoil across Europe, including Germany, France and Italy.”

As an expat living in Italia I can say that “turmoil” is what the very left leaning Canadian and US MSM have wrongly painted it as so. I cannot comment for France and Germany, I do not live there.

Watching and reading Italian and EU MSM vs. N. American MSM seems as if they are reporting about the same planet but from 2 different space time continuum’s.

Suffice to say globalism and its open borders mantra is running its course since it has not improved the lives of many, made worse for a decade in Italia.

In Italia, we do not want something akin to a Surrey or Richmond smack dab in the middle of Venezia, Firenze, Roma etc. No apology for that comment. Arguably Italia does not need “cultural enrichment” from Africa or elsewhere.

If our GDP suffers for a lack of population growth, so be it. We are not alone in this, there is Japan. Home is where the heart is. Most do not want to see home changed to that of another country or countries.

70% plus of Italians cannot all be wrong in their support of the so called “far right” populist parties in political control of Italia led by Salvini and De Maio.

Jordan Peterson’s neo Marxist far left radical nutbars are not appreciated here as they are in run amok N. America nor are they given the time of day by that flavor of N. American brainwashed axiomatic MSM that cannot wait to call anyone not agreeing with them a Nazi or Fascist.

Fools that in 20 years time will be embarrassed, at the very least, by the then dim memory of their current selves (I hope they Tweet a lot now, so that dim memory will be not quite so dim).

Italia will plod, limp along as it always has in the past 2 thousand years and hopefully, in one shape or the other, for at least another 2 thousand years.

Currently greatly maligned by the radical left as “far right” yet, even they flock to Italia in the tens of millions to admire what “far right” populist Italia has created and the unparalleled patrimony it has given to the World, good and bad over its history.

To say we are in “populist” turmoil is to admit you have been brainwashed by the far left N. American MSM and its apparatchiks like George Soros et. al. that seek only cheap labor and thus higher profit under the guise of globalism and open borders.

We all need money to live. Beyond that, there is more to life.

#115 waiting on the westcoast on 09.05.18 at 1:05 am

22 Kelsey on 09.04.18 at 6:10 pm says…”So being a Libertarian that wants free trade and smaller government makes one a “populist”? It’s about time to stand for something otherwise all political parties will end up looking exactly the same just kowtowing to every special interest group out there at the expense of the ordinary consumer and taxpayer.”

While i consider myself a libertarian, i understand the game. It is best to support Scheer and push internally for more legislation that favors smaller government. Why reward T2 for the broader coalition that Scheer put together among the Conservatives?

#116 Smoking Man on 09.05.18 at 1:08 am

Tin foil night in California. Jesus told Mr to post this.

https://youtu.be/Bee70unn9aM

#117 Howard on 09.05.18 at 3:52 am

#98 MF on 09.04.18 at 10:50 pm

#94 Doug t on 09.04.18 at 10:38 pm

“Your in for a shock lol

RATM”

No I’m not. The country is not anti immigrant. Far from it.

I thought T2 had no chance, but that might have just changed.

MF

——————————————–

Of course the country isn’t anti-immigrant. You need to separate the policy from the people.

Recent Angus Reid poll shows 49% of Canadians think the immigration quota is too high.

#118 YVR2ZRH on 09.05.18 at 3:56 am

#4 – Lowest sales? Not true.

The worst years were 2012 and 2008. Those years were impacted by the brewing GFC (2008) and mortgage rule changes (2012). This year we have a somewhat normal trend compared to July – if not even a slight improvement from July (from a very low base). September, looks to be somewhat similar. Very bad, but not as bad as 2008 or 2012.

#119 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 4:09 am

The word ‘inflation’ is used once, in one comment today and that was in one of my posts.

No word ‘pension’ in the comments so far.

I have to acknowledge that either:
– people are so rich they do not worry about retirement (negative chance of that).
– people realize that they will never retire (applies to only people above 40) and/or do not care (applies to people below 40).
– brainwashing works extremely well and/or everyone is high all the time even before pot legalization.

Nobody seems to even bother worrying about the theft from the purchasing power of their CPP and old age pension that will diminish at least 2-3 times in real purchasing power by the time the average Joe/Jane retires.
The reduction will be driven by the drastic discrepancies between the rise of cost of living/real inflation increasing by 8-10 % yearly but ‘official’ inflation at 1.5-2 % /with which pensions are indexed.

The simplicity with which people are robbed and their complacency is astonishing. The more you contribute (increased CPP taxes this year) the less you get down the road in real purchasing power (and I am not talking about some nominal ‘increases’ in some week currency).

The more sheeple complies, the more it will be crushed,
what do you think would force BoC to move interest rates up to match the real inflation/cost of living inflation no matter the consequences?

Short of that expect at least 1.5-2 decades of steady inflation at least 8 % annually, maybe more with ‘official CPI’ at 1.5-2 % and salary increases of 2 % before taxes in nominal terms, 1.2 % net after taxes, 6-7 % real decline in purchasing power.

There is no power to force increase in wages, they are capped for a very long time due to lack of competitive economy/result of capital miss-allocation due to the real estate super bubble. We produce pretty much close to nothing significant besides the Auto assembly for US. Services? Export that.

So BoC will keep measuring spending habits in nominal terms, of course with 1.2 % net nominal salary increase when people are capped spending at max debt is hard to spend more than you earn, voila, with some additional debt ‘inflation’ is 1.5 %.

It seems that for quite some time in the future the ‘central bankers’ with straight faces will be announcing sub 2 % inflation and keeping rates around current levels, 1.5 %, what I do not understand is how they manage to restrain from laughing in the faces of the sheeple. I would laugh if I was them.
I guess being professional bull-crapper is not easy and requires special skills.

If NAFTA is killed and it seems there is increasingly growing chance of that (T2 has to protect his dairy farmer friends so we continue enjoying 2-3 times more expensive milk than Americans, he keeps saying that no deal is better than ‘bad’ deal for ‘all Canadians’ which is frankly speaking frightening) than it will become really messy.

That/the NAFTA thingy and the credit super bubble alone are sufficient to derail any economy.

Things like 10-20 billion spent here and there, 4.5 billion spent on defunct pipeline do not matter that much in the big scheme of things.
Do you think the failed pipeline will disturb T2’s or wild bill’s good sleep? I highly doubt it.

#120 OttawaPete on 09.05.18 at 6:16 am

The other developing story for the 2019 election is the collapse of NDP support under Jagmeet. This is bad news for Conservatives and without any kind of a vote split on the left-of-centre this will pretty much guarantee T2 re-election. NDP collapse will have more of an effect than Max

#121 Fortune500 on 09.05.18 at 6:36 am

Max is at least willing to listen to Jordan Peterson

https://youtu.be/iYHpJj-ZJOU?t=514

So I might be interested in listening to him

#122 Karl on 09.05.18 at 6:36 am

I am tired of extreme everything. Andrew Scheer offers balance, which should be something coveted by the blog dogs here.

Really hoping people come to their senses and Andrew gets a shot at running this country.

#123 Gravy Train on 09.05.18 at 6:51 am

#119 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 4:09 am
“I have to acknowledge that either:
– people are so rich they do not worry about retirement (negative chance of that).
– people realize that they will never retire (applies to only people above 40) and/or do not care (applies to people below 40).
– brainwashing works extremely well and/or everyone is high all the time even before pot legalization.”

Sorry to disappoint you, Stanley, but I fall into your first category. You’re an ultracrepidarian, Stan, noticeably affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect. Now, wasn’t that a polite and tactful way of putting it? :)

#124 Dina Sandopoulos on 09.05.18 at 7:46 am

Nobody wants to tell it like it is. It is the socialists and there is nothing free about Liberals, Labour party, Democrat party, progressives etc., whatever name they like to hide behind. They are the most untrustworthy and destructive people I have met. I know, I am Greek and look at Greece’s socialist party rule for 25 years….., a colossal economic, societal disaster.

They should be called the restrictive party because everything they do restricts people, business, people and society in general.

#125 Chico on 09.05.18 at 7:50 am

#114 Dolce Vita on 09.05.18 at 12:55 am

“turmoil across Europe, including Germany, France and Italy.”

As an expat living in Italia I can say that “turmoil” is what the very left leaning Canadian and US MSM have wrongly painted it as so. I cannot comment for France and Germany, I do not live there.

Watching and reading Italian and EU MSM vs. N. American MSM seems as if they are reporting about the same planet but from 2 different space time continuum’s.

Suffice to say globalism and its open borders mantra is running its course since it has not improved the lives of many, made worse for a decade in Italia.

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An excellent post! I only copied a part of it, the part about borders.
What seems idiotic to me is the notion of pushing for a change without any references as to why it will work. I have yet to see historical evidence that open borders will benefit the citizens of the country that take that action step.

There are plenty of Gulag loving socialists who think Cuba is the place to be, reading this blog. How about one of them come up with a lucid argument based on historical evidence why “open borders” is such a great idea for a country?

#126 Trumpocalypse2018 on 09.05.18 at 7:53 am

I apologize. I was incorrect.

I recently warned readers here to prepare as all hell would break loose upon the release of Bob Woodward’s new book about Trump on September 11.

I should have realized that leaking would start before that. It is happening now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/us/politics/trump-woodward-book-fear.html

The White House is in chaos. Trump will have fewer and fewer options and his still subservient will support him in creating major distractions soon, including WAR.

“When are we going to start winning some wars?” Mr. Trump groused …..

I should have foreseen this catastrophe unravelling even sooner. I apologize.

Therefore, I am declaring a YELLOW ALERT effectively IMMEDIATELY.

Disaster is directly ahead of us.

PREPARE.

#127 Wrk.dover on 09.05.18 at 7:57 am

Had the liberal party been split in half, Kim Campbell would have still lost, due to Mulroney hate.

Can Trudeau top that hate if the auto pact is lost?

#128 Chico on 09.05.18 at 8:14 am

#119 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 4:09 am

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Nice post “Freedom First.” You make fear seem special.

#129 Tater on 09.05.18 at 8:18 am

#39 Stan Brooks on 09.04.18 at 6:42 pm
How lending should work:

Interest rates are determined by the credit rating of the borrower. The less credit you have, the more you can pay in future loans, so you are a good borrower with lower/close to market rates due to being lower risk.

What if your debtors are up to the eyeballs in debt, like the highest private debt as % of GDP in the whole wild world as we have currently?

Shouldn’t your risk be higher resulting in higher interest rates? Look at Argentina.

Of course the rates should be much higher.

How to solve the problem so we can keep lending and profiting?

No problem, just transfer the risk/potential losses to the sheeple and the beauty is it pays for it through mortgage insurance (hello CMHC) so the banks keep profiting with no risk.

Pure genius, elite loves it, rinse and repeat until…. you can’t increase rates with inflation running wild by even 1 % without blowing the whole scheme up.

You call it ‘affordable’ housing with houses priced at 1.5 million on 75 k before tax family incomes.

Whoever does not like this Perpetuum Mobile version of the economy is Trump’s or a Russian troll.

As for savers and borrowers, who cares, just some collateral in the big scheme of things. We will import some more, no problem.

And then it hits the fan. Watching currently in real time.
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So much wrong here, it’s tough to know where to begin.

If Canada’s debt burden was seen as an issue, then yes rates would rise. Not because of the BOC, but through the bond market. And yes, yields are up, but with 5Y at 2.17 and 30y at 2.26 the bond market really doesn’t seem to be worried.

Your whole CMHC rant makes no sense and you seem to be confusing sovereign borrowing with personal, not much to really say here.

And savers have had a fantastic run with equity markets having been on a tear for the last 10 year. If you missed it, blame your own allocation.

#130 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.05.18 at 8:23 am

@#119 Stan Brooks
“The word ‘inflation’ is used once, in one comment today and that was in one of my posts.
No word ‘pension’ in the comments so far….”
++++

We all got together and decided to NOT talk about pensions, inflation, retirement, etc. just to annoy you.
Is it working?

#131 Incubus on 09.05.18 at 8:24 am

Maxime Bernier is appreciated in Québec.
If he had been elected as chief of PC, he would have win the next federal election.

Now, there is a good chance that Trudeau will lead Canada 4 more years.

#132 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.05.18 at 8:31 am

@#120 OttawaPete
“The other developing story for the 2019 election is the collapse of NDP support under Jagmeet. ”
+++++

Whats he done to deserve voter support?
Seriously.
Whats he done other than being a visible minority?
Well spoken but irrelevant.
A professional political hack
Has he been elected to a seat in Parliament yet?
Politically correct leadership meets angry voter apathy.
And this during economic “good times”?
Wait til the housing “$h!t hits the fan…….
Trudeau take note.

#133 Howard on 09.05.18 at 9:07 am

#127 Wrk.dover on 09.05.18 at 7:57 am

Had the liberal party been split in half, Kim Campbell would have still lost, due to Mulroney hate.

Can Trudeau top that hate if the auto pact is lost?

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Kim Campbell was at 50%+ approval in the summer of 1993. She was on her way to winning at least a minority. The election debacle is mostly on her and her campaign team, not Mulroney.

#134 dharma bum on 09.05.18 at 9:11 am

“In 1988, when most blog readers were laying rubber in their Huggies, I was elected as a federal Progressive Conservative MP.” ` Garth
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It’s true.

I was 29 years old, but that’s another story.

#135 Howard on 09.05.18 at 9:12 am

#114 Dolce Vita on 09.05.18 at 12:55 am

Jordan Peterson’s neo Marxist far left radical nutbars are not appreciated here as they are in run amok N. America nor are they given the time of day by that flavor of N. American brainwashed axiomatic MSM that cannot wait to call anyone not agreeing with them a Nazi or Fascist.

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What? Either I’ve misinterpreted you (perhaps you’re describing his enemies who attempt to block him from speaking engagements?), or you’ve confused Jordan Peterson with someone else.

#136 Ian on 09.05.18 at 9:15 am

Max was top of my list in the leadership race.

I was at the convention in Halifax, and as you say Max caused quite a storm on the first day. I ran back to my hotel to watch his press conference.

I maintain this is Scheer’s fault. In a 50-50 race, it was Scheer’s responsibility to reach out to the half of the party who didn’t support him, blend some of Max’s platform into the full platform, and have a unified party.

Instead, they spent the last 15 months ostracising Max, his supporters, and basically telling all of us to shove off. Now the Con party is indistinguishable from the Liberals, and it’s now blowing up in Scheer’s face, which is exactly what he deserves.

They rigged the convention so that supply management would never come to a full member vote. It was 26/26 items, dead last on the list, they started the meeting late intentionally to make sure it wasn’t voted on. It’s just a joke.

The big key with this new Max party is, can it get voters who either 1) didn’t vote, or 2) didn’t vote Conservative in the past. That’s the entire question right there. If it’s just a carve out from the Cons, then it’s the 90s all over again with a free pass for the Liberals.

If they are up and running in time, the Max party will run in the Leeds Grenville byelection where Gord Brown died. That is a super blue riding and that could be veeeerrrry interesting!

#137 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.05.18 at 9:23 am

The narrative on CBC Radio has changed. Now Trudeau is protecting Canadian Culture (aka CBC RADIO AND TV) and the Chapter 19 Dispute Settlement mechanism in NAFTA negotiation against Big Bad Trump.

So apparently the choice is to protect bad TV shows, Social Justice Radio, and Dairy Farmers OR to have an auto sector with hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs.

I know what I’d pick.

#138 232 on 09.05.18 at 9:27 am

Max seems like my kind of guy. I need to start doing my research, but he looks promising.

The system IS broken.

For those of you in health care, you realize this. Here are some truths about our health care.
– naloxone kits (aka overdose prevention kits) are given away at local KW hospitals. Who do you think pays for those? Those things are not cheap
– constant misuse of hospital beds & resources: last week wife (ER-RN) had to treat a homeless lady for stomach pain. A LOT of tests were ran on her (as the doctors couldn’t find anything) and she took a bed for the whole day; it turned out she was hungry and after wife gave her a couple sandwiches, she was on her way. (No, this is not an isolated incident). Taking an ER bed costs well over one grand for the day, plus the cost of running all these tests
– a lot of the people that come to ER are repeat offenders who are close to overdose. These people are then treated with expensive medication for 2-3 days. A couple of days later, they return in a similar (or worse) state, and the process starts again
– granny dumping: a process used so often that it got its on nickname. This usually occurs when the family goes on vacation and doesn’t want to take grandma/pa along for various reasons (insurance too expensive, or the costs of an extra hotel room and mouth to feed, or the burden of changing adult diapers on your holiday, etc..), so instead they drop them off at ER and say there’s something wrong with them. Then the hospitals starts running a million tests to find out what that “something” is. And they either find nothing (money well spent – not), or they actually find a sickness which noone was aware of. If they find a sickness, then they have to be hospitalized for days/weeks/months until sickness is under control. If no sickness is found (GET THIS) they get to stay in the hospital until the family returns, as the hospital cannot discharge them until they have somewhere to go
– nurses constantly getting abused. If anyone receives any form of verbal or physical abuse at their jobs, they hit the lottery. Nurses constantly get yelled at or span on. And often times (way more often than people realize) they get beaten up real bad. Wife’s co-worker is a BIG male-nurse. He was head-butted into the wall by a huge crazy patient, and caused him serious injury. Horrible concussion, broken bones, and future chronic pain. But he’s back at work after a long rehab assignment. Do some research and see how many nurses get punched in the face with absolutely ZERO consequences against the assailer. I guess it’s part of their job? Image if that incident occurred against a typical petite female nurse…
– shortage of nurse personnel, as hospitals keep cutting RN (university degree nurses who can do things such as needles, IVs, medication, etc) and hire RPN (college nurses who are not allowed to do much more than wipe your butt)
– shortage of doctor personnel, who are overworked and paid horrible (after taxation) when compared to their colleagues in US

These are some of the reasons why you typically wait a few hours in ER with a nail in your foot. (Think about these reasons the next time you are in the hospital, and complain to hospital management, rather than yell at the poor nurses.)
Cousin lives in Houston. The most she ever had to wait in ER was 15 minutes. Insane.
I think healthcare should only be free for the seniors, as part of their pension, and for people who have mental/physical disability. Everyone else should pay insurance, like they do in the US.
This way people won’t abuse the system, and the quality of care you get will be correlated with what you pay for. I’m sick of paying of all these OD druggies and people who don’t work and contribute to the society.

(I’m guessing Garth will put me on the black list after this post. LOL)

#139 Evangeline on 09.05.18 at 9:56 am

#114 DV

“Jordan Peterson’s neo Marxist far left radical nutbars …”

I’ve not read his book but I have listened to a few of his lectures on youtube, and “neo Marxist far left radical” is the last way I’d describe him. He sees political correctness as dangerous and he is a to the death advocate for free speech.

To me he seems a well educated and thoughtful libertarian who leans socially right.

#140 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 10:25 am

#123 Gravy Train on 09.05.18 at 6:51 am

Sorry to disappoint you, Stanley, but I fall into your first category. You’re an ultracrepidarian, Stan, noticeably affected by the Dunning-Kruger effect. Now, wasn’t that a polite and tactful way of putting it? :)

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It seems you are agreeing with the factual aspects of my post, as I see no comments on it, just some very mild personal attacks, which as it seems you qualify as original and tactful.

I am not disappointed in you being rich, (remind me, why would I ever doubt that?) but you must be a representative of some new sort or breed of rich folks who actually do not care about money, they are way above that and are willing to trust/give theirs in the hands of the incompetent.

Not that such do not exist out there in some parallel universe or virtual reality but it is very hard to find them in the real, ultracrepidarian (as you put it) world that we live in.

In regards to Dunning–Kruger effect: if you mean that I suffer from cognitive bias of an external miss-perception, typical for people with high ability;

no need to flatter me, you can remove your tongue now.

#141 Smoking Man on 09.05.18 at 10:31 am

Poloz chickens out.

Social media big shots live stream from washington.

Taking blame for Trumps win. And vow not to let it happen again.
The ministry of safety and security.

This is why a red wave will happen at midterms.

Trump triggers extream end of the left spectrum. They go insane. The y get huge exposure on msm. The normal type democrats see this and walk away.

Social media will have a limited role in the election. Trump triggering lefties to say and do crazy shit will be the deciding factor.

Dr Smoking Man
Phd Hetdonomics.

#142 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.05.18 at 10:32 am

#130 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.05.18 at 8:23 am sez:
@#119 Stan Brooks

“The word ‘inflation’ is used once, in one comment today and that was in one of my posts.
No word ‘pension’ in the comments so far….”
++++

We all got together and decided to NOT talk about pensions, inflation, retirement, etc. just to annoy you.
Is it working?”
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Excuse me! You used the “p” word. You’re out of the club.

#143 Brett in Calgary on 09.05.18 at 10:36 am

Hilarious, right? Grasping at straws.
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#137 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.05.18 at 9:23 am
The narrative on CBC Radio has changed. Now Trudeau is protecting Canadian Culture (aka CBC RADIO AND TV) and the Chapter 19 Dispute Settlement mechanism in NAFTA negotiation against Big Bad Trump.

#144 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 10:40 am


#129 Tater on 09.05.18 at 8:18 am

So much wrong here, it’s tough to know where to begin.

If Canada’s debt burden was seen as an issue, then yes rates would rise. Not because of the BOC, but through the bond market. And yes, yields are up, but with 5Y at 2.17 and 30y at 2.26 the bond market really doesn’t seem to be worried.

Your whole CMHC rant makes no sense and you seem to be confusing sovereign borrowing with personal, not much to really say here.

And savers have had a fantastic run with equity markets having been on a tear for the last 10 year. If you missed it, blame your own allocation.

Hm, let’s see:

1. Who buys these (short term bonds) bonds? Warren Buffet? Jeff Bezos? No, your pension fund, as legislated.

2. If CMHC is not a problem, let’s terminate it and move all the mortgages, including those sold to foreign investors as MBS back to the banks balance sheets, shell we?

3. Which part of: we are number one in the world in PRIVATE debt as a percentage of GDP did you not understand?

https://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/debt/canadians-are-the-most-indebted-in-the-world-oecd-says-as-it-warns-on-rising-debt-risk

OECD worries but you do not?
Look at the friggin chart.

4. You confuse savers for investors.

5. Long term rates are rising and could potentially move much higher, but BoC rates that determine interest on deposits are pure theft allowing for some very nice spreads for the banks in short to mid term.

6. You can’t escape the inflation theft on your CPP and OAS as you are not in control of it.

#145 Shawn Allen on 09.05.18 at 10:53 am

The Honorable Kim Campbell, former Prime Minister

I remember (possibly even somewhat accurately) one of the best political quips ever made…

Jean Chretian, who would lead the Liberals to victory against Campbell, said being Prime Minster was a “good summer job for Kim Campbell”.

Brilliant statement because it was true and because of her lack of deep credentials. My understanding then and now was she was something like a School Trustee in B.C., then very briefly an MLA and cabinet minister in B.C. and then suddenly leader of the Conservatives and was I think not yet 40 years old?

Only line I remember from Kim that summer was she said that the bar-b-que circuit was not having a good effect on the Prime Ministerial Butt or words to that effect.

Hey I voted conservative in that election. As unpopular as Mulroney was, there is no way the party would have slumped to two seats had he run again. As someone said above, that loss was on Kim and the election committee. And oh yes, the people who put out the ad of Chretian making fun of his face / speech which was affected by Bell’s Palsy. Garth has mentioned he tried to get that ad pulled I believe.

Kim Campbell served as federal Minister of Defence, then federal Minister of Justice before contesting the leadership of the PC party and subsequently being selected as Canada’s first woman prime minister. That makes here Right Honourable. And you? – Garth

#146 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 10:58 am

#138 232 on 09.05.18 at 9:27 am

Oh, the horror, that in Canada in the 21st century?

They will come after you, that was a mistake, telling some truths,

Rule number # 1 here is:
Lie and pretend.

Rule # 2:
Suck it up and move on/when screwed.

Rule # 3:
Go with the flow.

Rule # 4:
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out/if you don’t like it here.

Rule # 5:
Our health care system is better than the US one by definition. Period. No discussion allowed. Plus it is ‘free’, what you are talking about, 1 grand per day per hospital bed? (it was actually 1.5 grand 3 years ago)

That sums pretty much the collective intelligence here.

#147 Shortymac on 09.05.18 at 11:03 am

No one is calling for farking open borders, that’s insanity. I suggest you look through the requirements to actually immigrate to Canada and the hoops you have to go through.

So many anti-immigration folks on here, why do you hate me?

#148 fancy_pants on 09.05.18 at 11:06 am

#114 Dolce Vita on 09.05.18 at 12:55 am

you may have placed Jordan Peterson on the wrong field. The left is about as PC as you can get to the point of anything is permissible as truth. There is no room for absolutes as it may infringe on someone’s right to not be offended. Jordan Peterson is very opposed to such and rightfully so. Common sense is scarce these days, he is a lifeboat in a sea of insanity

#149 NoName on 09.05.18 at 11:19 am

#139 Evangeline on 09.05.18 at 9:56 am
#114 DV

“Jordan Peterson’s neo Marxist far left radical nutbars …”

I’ve not read his book but I have listened to a few of his lectures on youtube, and “neo Marxist far left radical” is the last way I’d describe him. He sees political correctness as dangerous and he is a to the death advocate for free speech.

To me he seems a well educated and thoughtful libertarian who leans socially right.


He is not libratarian, he indentifies himself as classic British liberal.

https://youtu.be/lhEG69ZGwUI

Many get word liberal an libretarian mixed up. Keep in mind canadas liberals are anithing but liberals. But whats funy, some timre i took political compass test, i score slightly to the left of center and iqual distance to liberatarian, but every one who call themselves liberal, describe me as a neocon. Its funy to say its not me its them who is confused.

Google political compas if you would like to take free tests, comes with certificate. ;)

Libertarian
lib·er·tar·i·an
ˌlibərˈterēən/Submit
noun
1.
an adherent of libertarianism.
“libertarian philosophy”
2.
PHILOSOPHY
a person who believes in the doctrine of free will.

Liberal
lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit
adjective
adjective: liberal
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
“they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people”
favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.

#150 T on 09.05.18 at 11:33 am

#69 MF on 09.04.18 at 8:30 pm
#44 Jim on 09.04.18 at 6:50 pm
If he’s for less immigration, he’ll get lots of support.

-No he won’t.

MF

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You need to get out of the city once in a while, it’s a big country and many (I would almost say a majority) are fed up with how our immigration system works.

Look at how Toronto is turning into a gangland paradise. We are feeling the effects of mismanaged immigration.

Mass immigration, poverty, crime. There is a co-relation, as much as many of us would not like to admit.

#151 Giver - AB on 09.05.18 at 11:59 am

#45 AB Boxster
#6 Linda
………
Most of the people I talk to feel the same way but I wonder if I’m insulated. What about the 60% of Alberta households that get quarterly Carbon Tax rebate cheques or the 10% of Albertans who have gotten big increases in minimum wage from the NDP?

Are you sure you’re in touch with how your gardener feels? Your housekeeper? Your mechanic?

Do you think they want to give those cheques up?
Do you think they believe the UCP will consider another increase in minimum wage?

Unless they don’t vote, I’m not sure it is as cut and dry as you think it is.
……………………………………………………………………….

Remains to be seen if a name rebranding from Conservative to UCP will be enough to sway voters into voting for the UCP or whether the current NDP will win a second term.

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If you believe this then you have spent any time in Alberta or have any sense of the Alberta electorate.
The anger at the provincial and federal governments is very high and growing daily.

The NDP will be summarily trounced in the next election.

It will likely be one of the largest conservative victories ever in Alberta.

The NDP and Notley, aside being socialist idealogues, have run the provincial deficit from $0 to over $45 billion today, and projected to be over $95 billion should they actually win again.

They have hitched themselves to the regressive, social licence idiots of this country, who will not allow another energy project or pipeline to be built.

Their climate change policy BS and social licence BS is about the be thrown on the trash heap of bad ideas, and the NDP will be banished to the political wasteland that they deserve to live in.

#152 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 12:02 pm

Let’s say Trudeau, Morneau and Freeland were corporate execs and we wanted to fire them

https://business.financialpost.com/executive/0906-biz-hl-levitt-wkpl

Nice elaboration on the qualities of the current leaders.

#153 Wrk.dover on 09.05.18 at 12:08 pm

Is the the right place to come to attend a Polost bashfest?

Happy currency crash everybody!

Stan Brooks is going to need the prozac Poloser is obviously mainlining, smoking and ingesting.

#154 Lorne on 09.05.18 at 12:19 pm

#113 jane24 on 09.05.18 at 12:49 am
i live in Italy part time each year so have direct experience of the PR system. It doesn’t work. 20 parties all focused on bleeding the state and agreeing on nothing has resulted in 60 govts in 60 years since WW2. Nothing ever changes plus since the voters have no direct choice of individual candidates just a party list, there no way of getting out corrupt or stupid MPs. These folk stay on the gravel train forever. Even the Prime Minister there is a party chosen outsider and has nothing to do with the electorate. The only way of ordering so many parties.

The current Italian govt is a collation of extreme right and extreme left parties only united in their hatred of the EU and the euro. The deputy PM there just called the EU lot ******* filth to the media. This should make for a stable govt but I do as a Brexiteer like the sentiment.

The FPTP system does make for a majority govt most of the time so policies do get done plus individual ridings have individual candidates so anyone not worthy of being your MP can be booted out. There is a direct voter/candidate relationship.

Do think carefully about what you wish for. Not all greener fields and fairy dust.
…………
You may wish to check out some of the other countries in Europe, like Germany, that are also utilizing a PR system and seem to be doing just fine, thank you.

#155 SimplyPut7 on 09.05.18 at 12:30 pm

#147 Shortymac on 09.05.18 at 11:03 am

I am also okay with immigration, but have a plan. Liberals, NDP, Democrats in the US, and parts of Europe all said they want lots of immigration – fine. Where are you going to put everyone?

Many new immigrants are very poor and do not have money for new housing. Who is going to pay: the city? province/state? federal government? The budget isn’t going to balance itself!

Even if you found the money, are you building fast enough to accommodate everyone, providing access to clean water, electricity, sewer systems, access to jobs, schools, transit, highways, recreation, high-speed internet, cellphone or landline coverage and cable.

I think one solution would be to repopulate dying towns near bigger cities or towns, many small towns already have the necessities of life to get these people going on their new life in Canada. The US has 18.9 million vacant homes in the US. I’m sure Canada has many as well. Or build new low-rise detached and semi-detached homes and stop pretending the 2nd largest country in the world is running out of land to build homes.

#156 James on 09.05.18 at 12:43 pm

#48 AK on 09.04.18 at 7:16 pm

#1 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 5:05 pm
“Dear God. 4 more years of T2.
Take a tour of Venezuela to see what your future holds in store.”
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T2 and the Liberals will not have a party status after the next election.
Whether Bernier has a chance or not, It’s way too early to tell.
____________________________________________
I’m just glad we will have four more years without your old man ass in Canada.

BTW Old Man Ive been to Venezuela, Margarita Island and then a day trip to Caracas. This was back when Chavez was in power. The place was in disarray back in 2008 and has only become more distraught. Unless you have been there you have no idea how bleak it is. Canada no matter how bad things get would never capitulate into a Venezuela.

#157 KLNR on 09.05.18 at 12:44 pm

@#147 Shortymac on 09.05.18 at 11:03 am
No one is calling for farking open borders, that’s insanity. I suggest you look through the requirements to actually immigrate to Canada and the hoops you have to go through.

So many anti-immigration folks on here, why do you hate me?
_____________________
They need someone/thing to blame for their misery

#158 conservative party on 09.05.18 at 12:46 pm

is in shambles, geez. What a shit show

handing it to Trudeau

#159 Wrk.dover on 09.05.18 at 12:46 pm

#145 Shawn Allen on 09.05.18 at 10:53 am
The Honorable Kim Campbell, former Prime Minister

I remember (possibly even somewhat accurately) one of the best political quips ever made…

Jean Chretian, who would lead the Liberals to victory against Campbell, said being Prime Minster was a “good summer job for Kim Campbell”.

Brilliant statement because it was true and because of her lack of deep credentials. My understanding then and now was she was something like a School Trustee in B.C., then very briefly an MLA and cabinet minister in B.C. and then suddenly leader of the Conservatives and was I think not yet 40 years old?

Only line I remember from Kim that summer was she said that the bar-b-que circuit was not having a good effect on the Prime Ministerial Butt or words to that effect.

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I read that part , then I read this….

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Hey I voted conservative in that election

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What a Jack Ass! Vote the candidate you give no credence because, Daddy is a Tory through and through.

Have you learned to think outside of your self imposed box yet?

#160 James on 09.05.18 at 12:49 pm

#155 SimplyPut7 on 09.05.18 at 12:30 pm

#147 Shortymac on 09.05.18 at 11:03 am

I am also okay with immigration, but have a plan. Liberals, NDP, Democrats in the US, and parts of Europe all said they want lots of immigration – fine. Where are you going to put everyone?

Many new immigrants are very poor and do not have money for new housing. Who is going to pay: the city? province/state? federal government? The budget isn’t going to balance itself!

Even if you found the money, are you building fast enough to accommodate everyone, providing access to clean water, electricity, sewer systems, access to jobs, schools, transit, highways, recreation, high-speed internet, cellphone or landline coverage and cable.

I think one solution would be to repopulate dying towns near bigger cities or towns, many small towns already have the necessities of life to get these people going on their new life in Canada. The US has 18.9 million vacant homes in the US. I’m sure Canada has many as well. Or build new low-rise detached and semi-detached homes and stop pretending the 2nd largest country in the world is running out of land to build homes.
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Yes there is copious amounts of land available in Rochet River, fresh water, free trees to make home and keep warm, lots of food, deer, bear, moose, ducks, geese. Lets start there, who is paying for all of this?.

#161 James on 09.05.18 at 12:55 pm

Humm Kavanaugh says “President not above the law”, perhaps they should give him a pass. It could keep him and judicial system employed for life regardless.

#162 Shawn Allen on 09.05.18 at 12:57 pm

The Right Honorable Kim Campbell

Kim Campbell served as federal Minister of Defence, then federal Minister of Justice before contesting the leadership of the PC party and subsequently being selected as Canada’s first woman prime minister. That makes here Right Honourable. And you? – Garth

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Good points about her credentials. It was still a meteoric rise. And I realised later I should have said Right Honorable. I was not trying to be sarcastic.

Chretian’s comment about being P.M. being a good summer job for Kim Campbell was brilliant and accurate.

Me, well I try to be honest and fairly honorable. Garth, you are a bully. A very successful one, but certainly a bully. And you never admit being wrong. Maybe it’s part of the persona to attract readers here and it works.

Well I suppose I deserved to be taken to task on questioning Kim Campbell’s resume. But your apparent suggestion that I am not an honorable person or whatever your insult meant was uncalled for.

#163 ShawnG in TO on 09.05.18 at 1:26 pm

today is rate day ?!? i thought it was just a meeting day where nothing is expected to change. why is msm making a big deal of no rate change today?

#164 Tater on 09.05.18 at 1:34 pm

#144 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 10:40 am

Hm, let’s see:

1. Who buys these (short term bonds) bonds? Warren Buffet? Jeff Bezos? No, your pension fund, as legislated.
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Pension funds aren’t legislated to buy bonds, they need to invest as a prudent person would. This does lead to them buying bonds, but it’s not the same as being legislated to.

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2. If CMHC is not a problem, let’s terminate it and move all the mortgages, including those sold to foreign investors as MBS back to the banks balance sheets, shell we?

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I would have no issue with this.

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3. Which part of: we are number one in the world in PRIVATE debt as a percentage of GDP did you not understand?

https://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/debt/canadians-are-the-most-indebted-in-the-world-oecd-says-as-it-warns-on-rising-debt-risk

OECD worries but you do not?
Look at the friggin chart.
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Third paragraph: “While higher indebtedness does not necessarily imply that problems are just around the corner, it does increase vulnerability to shocks.”

So, until we have an economic shock, or rates really start moving in the bond market, this really isn’t a huge concern.
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4. You confuse savers for investors.
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You fail to see that “savers” face a continuum of choices for how to put their money at work. They can choose to take on more risk in the pursuit of higher returns. Anyone who sat in GICs, with negative real rates doesn’t understand this and should get professional help.
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5. Long term rates are rising and could potentially move much higher, but BoC rates that determine interest on deposits are pure theft allowing for some very nice spreads for the banks in short to mid term.
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Buy bank stocks. Or just winge about how the system is against you. Your choice.
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6. You can’t escape the inflation theft on your CPP and OAS as you are not in control of it.
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If I end up relying on CPP or OAS in my retirement, I’ll just off myself.

#165 Toaster Oven Strudle on 09.05.18 at 1:57 pm

#1 Smoking Man on 09.04.18 at 5:05 pm

Isn’t that the end goal of the prince of this world, the devil, George Soros, illuminati, global elite? Keep the stringed puppets in power, fully engaged to bringing to fruition a global economic collapse, chaos and the new world order. Unlike Trump, T2 fits nicely into their plan

#166 Evangeline on 09.05.18 at 2:06 pm

#149 NoName on 09.05.18 at 11:19 am

Thanks for the link to the video where J Peterson was defending himself from that charge or being called a far right ideologue, which is not what I called him.

In my post I said that the last thing I would categorize Jordan Peterson as is a “neo Marxist far left radical nutbar…”

1. I don’t believe he’s a far left radical Marxist because he is extremely opposed to politically correct language laws that he sees as infringing his right of free speech.

2. I believe he leans slightly socially right because he accepts the traditional categories of gender as being indisputably settled science, and social righties also believe that gender is hardwired in physiology not mentality.

3. I believe he’s a political libertarian because he appears to be of a “don’t tread on me” mentality. He was extremely outspoken against laws which he saw as constricting his rights, and he was willing to go jail to protest those laws.

#167 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 3:17 pm

#164 Tater on 09.05.18 at 1:34 pm

Ignorance to infinity.

1. Do you hold government bonds youself? Buy if it is worth it.
If not for pension funds, who do you think is buying those things?

2. If ‘insured’ mortgages are moved back to bank balance sheets and you hold point # 5 – bank stock, you f…ed

3. So when do you expect to be the next economic shock, definitely not when inflation hits 12 % and the clown at BoC can not raise rates by 1 %, right?
Everything rosy in the economy, right?

4. Dead on on savers vs investors.
Unfortunately most of the sheeple saves in GICs and mutual funds and my sympathy if you invest on TSX.
So my statement on sheeple being exceptionally stupid is spot on.

BTW I made recommendations to invest in USD denominated assets and move out of Canadian assets quite a long time ago.

5. Why don’t you go all in in Canadian banks stock?
I will just invest somewhere else and watch you lose.

6. No CPP or OAS? Another rich bro? With a plan to retire by winning the lottery?
Claim and it and then give it to charity if you that rich.

#168 NoName on 09.05.18 at 3:54 pm

#166 Evangeline on 09.05.18 at 2:06 pm
#149 NoName on 09.05.18 at 11:19 am

Thanks for the link to the video where J Peterson was defending himself from that charge or being called a far right ideologue, which is not what I called him.

In my post I said that the last thing I would categorize Jordan Peterson as is a “neo Marxist far left radical nutbar…”

1. I don’t believe he’s a far left radical Marxist because he is extremely opposed to politically correct language laws that he sees as infringing his right of free speech.

2. I believe he leans slightly socially right because he accepts the traditional categories of gender as being indisputably settled science, and social righties also believe that gender is hardwired in physiology not mentality.

3. I believe he’s a political libertarian because he appears to be of a “don’t tread on me” mentality. He was extremely outspoken against laws which he saw as constricting his rights, and he was willing to go jail to protest those laws.

oh Eve, dot type that much back i often get original post after second and more often after 3rd reading. :)

#169 James on 09.05.18 at 4:02 pm

#112 Smoking Man on 06.08.18 at 12:57 am

Vegas tomorrow dogs. My knights are throwing a huge party. Sucks they lost. I’m happy for Ovy. He deserves it.
Now I don’t have to rip my appt apart looking for my 500 to 1 fifty dollar ticket, that bet on the knights winning the cup.
Ford wins. Justin the girl groper is next to go down.
If in the land of cbc weirdos could not stop Ford. Trump will kill insanity in the mid terms.
Life is getting good.
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@SmokingMan
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My friends call me Stoj.
Your serve JohneeBoy. James, Grvey Train..
I’m board.
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Hey old man I don’t know what you call yourself AKA Jim Stojsin but I thought you said Roger Waters sucked, education is for losers and your in favour of building a wall with the Trumpster.
Wow did you flip or are you simple an opportunistic yoke hitcher on the Trump Train?
Just do a quick search and viola.
Per Jim Stojsin “And finally, if you want to stop the children of Palestine strapping dynamite to themselves, let them have an education, give them something to hope for.”

TEAR DOWN THE WALL!

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#170 IHCTD9 on 09.05.18 at 4:29 pm

#155 SimplyPut7 on 09.05.18 at 12:30 pm

I think one solution would be to repopulate dying towns near bigger cities or towns, many small towns already have the necessities of life to get these people going on their new life in Canada.
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That’s mission impossible, at least for 3rd world immigrant Men. No jobs, and a strict Canadian Culture. If they don’t want to work in a paper mill, they got no chance for anything else either. They better have business building skills as that is the only thing that seems to work for them out here – so far.

The immigrant Women are much better off. Men of all races in general care a lot less about the ethnicity of their Mates than Women do, so it is much easier for – say a Chinese or SE Asian Woman to marry into a good small town life than it would be for a Chinese or SE Asian Man to do the same. I see the evidence of this strategy every single day – all over the hinterland.

If you want immigration to work in small town Ontario – you’re going to need to send educated young foreign Women from East Asia, South East Asia, and South America. Success rate would be staggering.

Don’t shoot – I’m just the messenger – and I’d be 100% correct on this one, believe me.

#171 oopswediditagain on 09.05.18 at 4:36 pm

yvr2zrh: “This year we have a somewhat normal trend compared to July – if not even a slight improvement from July (from a very low base). September, looks to be somewhat similar. Very bad, but not as bad as 2008 or 2012.”
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Hey buds, you might want to check with Vancouver realtor Steve Saretsky on that.

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky

"Another month, another one for the record books. Vancouver detached home sales in August were the fewest in nearly 30 years."

#172 SimplyPut7 on 09.05.18 at 5:29 pm

#170 IHCTD9 on 09.05.18 at 4:29 pm

That’s mission impossible, at least for 3rd world immigrant Men. No jobs, and a strict Canadian Culture.

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You are partially right on this one.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/syrian-drivers-road-test-ontario-human-rights-1.4442135

But there are lots of desk jobs in expensive offices in large cities all over the country. Many don’t require that much interaction with other coworkers, just access to the company’s network using a laptop.

With some upgrades to infrastructure in small towns to improve the high-speed internet, these people could work from home most days in the week and only come into the office to meet clients or have staff meetings.

Many downtown Toronto employers already do this. I have met accountants who work 3 weeks from home and then fly out of town to be on site of a mining office up north and lawyers who work 2-3 days from home and come into the office the rest of the week. Compressed work weeks where people work 3 days on and get 4 days off would also work as well.

#173 Evangeline on 09.05.18 at 7:43 pm

#168 NoName on 09.05.18 at 3:54 pm

“oh Eve, dot type that much back i often get original post after second and more often after 3rd reading. :)”

ok, if you dot call me Eve

that’s a different story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddmp0hMLT8o

#174 Al on 09.05.18 at 10:08 pm

#2 Mad Max on 09.04.18 at 5:12 pm
He wants fewer immigrants, flat tax rates, looser gun control, sharply less government, no supply management, a private post office, no capital gains tax, no carbon tax, chops in foreign aid and the feds out of health care?
………

Here here
Current CPC are just Liberals-Light.
True, it will give T2 another term, but I think we need to hit bottom in order to get the house in order. 2-3 terms of T2 should do that. We might end up as Argentina of the 21st century.

#175 Gravy Train on 09.06.18 at 9:31 am

#140 Stan Brooks on 09.05.18 at 10:25 am
“[…] you must be a representative of some new sort or breed of rich folks who actually do not care about money, they are way above that and are willing to trust/give theirs in the hands of the incompetent.” Your marginal utility of money decreases, as your money pile increases. Economics 101.

“Not that such do not exist out there in some parallel universe or virtual reality but it is very hard to find them in the real, ultracrepidarian (as you put it) world that we live in.” You misused the word. Ultracrepidarian means “one who is presumptuous and offers advice or opinions beyond one’s sphere of knowledge.” :)

“In regards to Dunning–Kruger effect: if you mean that I suffer from cognitive bias of an external misperception, typical for people with high ability[….]” Trust you to find the corollary; at least you looked it up. :)