Higher ground

Ontario Premier Doug, who drives an Escalade, says a first order of business when he takes over the Promised Land on June 29th will be to punt the cap-and-trade system. Brought in by the feisty, lefty Libs the regime put a price on carbon emissions in order to cut down on global warming and in the process costs business billions and makes everything more expensive.

Bunk, says the new preem. The thing hurts families and accomplishes diddly. So Ontario is withdrawing from a carbon pricing market it shares with Quebec and California (two other lefty places). Moreover, Ford is gunning for T2 and his national carbon tax plan. “I will (be) directing my attorney general to use all available resources, to use every power at the government’s disposal, we will officially challenge the federal government carbon tax on Ontario families.”

Meanwhile in Washington, the American government pulled out of the Paris Accord on climate change – an early act of President Trump who says it’s all a hoax. He’s okay with mining more coal, drilling for oil in sensitive areas and bringing back all the smoky manufacturing jobs that exported to Asia.

How governments deal with the climate is a big deal amid a fog of denial by many that a problem exists at all. Yet just this week came new stats on the burn rate for polar icecaps and giant swirls of garbage in the oceans. In some places (like far-lefty BC) consumers are paying big bucks in carbon tax every time they buy gasoline or home energy. But this seems futile when 1,600 new coal-fired power plants are being developed in 62 countries, increasing generation by 43%. (By the way, Alberta produces 500% more greenhouse gas emissions than does BC, according to the federal government.)

The skeptics, doubters and deniers say the climate might be changing, but that’s the climate’s fault. Why should we all pay more tax, sacrifice jobs and economic prosperity trying to change something that’s natural? The believers and crusaders say man’s exploitation of the planet is leading to an environmental, social and economic disaster, and change is essential. If we tax bad behaviour, it may stop. Both sides claim science is on their side.

Well, as the climate alters (manmade or not) the weather grows more extreme and unusual. It now snows in Vancouver and Victoria. Forest fires and mud slides have sure messed up California. Temperature swings are routine. Floods, too. Winds and ocean currents have modified, so the days turn hotter, colder, wetter or drier. It’s not the first time this has happened, but many worry the changes are now irreversible.

When it comes to real estate, climate is everything. You can’t move a property. Its value is intrinsically affected not only by the kind of weather it habitually receives, but also the level of risk. For example, Fort Mac burned. Richmond is likely to be inundated as sea levels rise. The eastern coast of the continent has been bashed with an historic string of winter storms. Now Toronto is melting with 40-degree days after a largely non-existent spring.

Already US real estate values are being affected by climate change, according to Bloomberg, working with a national property data curator. Those places most exposed to flood and hurricane risk are, on average, worth less than a decade ago. The data encompassed almost 3,400 cities, divided into groups according to the threats of extreme weather they face – and the results were stark. Houses in an area with a low flood risk gained 9% in value. Those where flooding is now more prevalent lost almost 5%.

This week another report, based on an analysis of Zillow data done by the Union of Concerned Scientists, is positively scary. Climate change, they say – mostly exhibited in rising sea levels – will cost billions, eventually trillions, wiping out the wealth of many families. In the US more than 150,000 homes and commercial properties, now worth $63 billion, could be whacked within the next 15 years. The risk will double by 2045. “This is, of course, homes that are often people’s single biggest assets,” it says. “This is about entire communities that might find much of the property in their community gets inundated, and that might affect their community tax base.”

If sea level rises more than six feet by the end of the century, these guys forecast the flooding of 4.7 million homes in the US alone. Within 25 years 10% of the housing stock in 175 cities could be inundated, and plunge in value.

But, say the scientists, much of that could be avoided if the Paris Accord is implemented and global warming is kept to an extra two degrees or less.

Which won’t happen, of course. It’s all fake news, says the leader of the world’s biggest economy. And now, of Canada’s largest province.

So I guess we’re okay. But move inland.

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#1 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 5:29 pm

So I guess we’re okay. But move inland.
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So move inland and buy now cuz one day soon when there is less land yours will be worth a fortune. And it might even become waterfront. You heard it here first.

#2 NoName on 06.18.18 at 5:30 pm

Funny thing oveer the weekend my daughter was doing science project on climate change…

#3 Robert B on 06.18.18 at 5:34 pm

Its funny how North America went through the ice age. Ice was over 3km thick at spots. It melted all on its own without man.

Weather is constantly changing. It always has and always will. No need to pay a tax on something that is nothing more than a tax grab.

Controlling pollution now that’s another topic.

#4 CanadiansAreDrunk on 06.18.18 at 5:35 pm

Stop building McMansion suburbs, shipping by truck, selling gas guzzler vehicles…..tax luxury cruise lines and air travel too…..that should help the problem….

#5 mj on 06.18.18 at 5:37 pm

my two cents. I don’t know if climate change is real or fake. I think Canada is much better than most countries. I don’t feel we should be taxed when it does nothing but take our money. I feel it’s just a tax grab. If climate change is real, then nothing will change if China and India aren’t on board

#6 BlogDog123 on 06.18.18 at 5:39 pm

Who’s to say keeping the rise in temperatures 2 degrees above xxx levels will solve the problem of Climate Change’s destruction? If they get buy-in for more taxation and regulation, what new problem will the climate alarmists now try to solve with more taxation and regulation? Is there a non-government solution to these problems?

Someone please connect the dots about Ontario’s Green Energy Act and how it has and will in the future measurably change the climate of Ontario for the better? What is the quantifiable end-goal of the Green Energy Act? Bueller, Bueller?

#7 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 5:39 pm

Sea levels rising.
Time to sell the Lunenburg BMO, Garth ….for a tidy profit …of course.

Move to “The Rock” and live off moosemeat and gooseberries.

Dats da life!

#8 Wrk.dover on 06.18.18 at 5:40 pm

We’re hooped! Plain and simple, and if you deny this, not a problem, you are hooped anyway.

Where is a good pandemic when we need one? Survive or not, it is win, win.

#9 Jacky on 06.18.18 at 5:41 pm

Why do you talk about “sea level rises more than six feet by the end of the century” when it’s not even 1 foot for the last 150 years?

Ask the scientists. Their fear. – Garth

#10 Victor V on 06.18.18 at 5:43 pm

Bay Street money manager sees oil hitting US$100/barrel

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bay-street-money-manager-sees-oil-hitting-us-100-barrel-1.1094372

#11 Pathetic PhD on 06.18.18 at 5:43 pm

As a scientist I can respect the numbers, Canada responsible for <2% of global carbon emissions is pretty non-factor. I get it.

But then again, that’s what the snotty kids would say about recycling wasn’t it? Why should I do it if nobody else will?

It’s actually very easy to mitigate the extremities of climate change without overtaxing anyone. Burning dead dinosaurs gave us the modern world, but we’ve gotten a lot better at other ways of keeping the lights on.

Not much better at running governments though.

#12 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 5:48 pm

Ford froze government hiring today and in September will bring out the axe to 1.3 million civil servants(almost tripled over last 15 years)With today’s tech and duplication at all 3 levels,300,000 to 750,000 could easily be eliminated and the system would actually run more efficiently.

#13 Gaga on 06.18.18 at 5:51 pm

#5 100%agree
Usless for us to pay if China, India, USA not on board
Just a tax grab

#14 Reynolds531 on 06.18.18 at 5:52 pm

The garbage in the ocean has nothing to do with climate change. And yeah we should clean that up.

Cap and trade was bad policy. Tax carbon sure, but don’t funnel cash to California.

Finally Bill Burr is right. You wanna fix climate change? Eighty five percent of you have to go.

#15 dr talc on 06.18.18 at 5:54 pm

california has mandated solar panels on all new homes,
add 10k to the cost of a new house
and homeowners are forced to feed the grid
more proof – most building code ‘updates’ are industry driven, including those which are ostensibly safety initiatives

#16 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 5:55 pm

#162 Tater
If rates drop from 15% to 5%, purchasing power doubles, all else equal. So bragging that people today can’t afford a 6% mortgage means that you understand that incomes haven’t kept pace with prices and even the low interest rates can’t help.
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When rates rise purchasing power diminishes, when rates drop purchasing power increases, all else being equal. Incomes never kept pace with prices even in the thrilling days of yesteryear. It is called a cycle. Get it ?

#17 k on 06.18.18 at 5:55 pm

I spend 6months in sunny southern California every year for the past 10 years. Yes I’m fortunate ( not lucky….I worked hard and saved ) Up until last year California was in what scientists called a 10 thousand year drought. In other words the that length of the drought happens approx. every 10 thousand years . So the LA Times writes a story…very sloppy and lazy journalism….saying ….Due to climate change caused by humans…California suffers through this drought ! The next day in the Op Ed section a professor at UCLA who’s doctorate was studying a certain Oak tree that lives in California to the ripe old age of 10 thousand years (don’t have the name of the tree in front of me ) Long before the industrial revolution….He studies the rings. That’s his baby ! Well you hae a couple hundred years of really wet…then fifty years of way too dry…then 75 years of middle of the road….and in the end ? After 10 thousand years ? After all the undulations of range of precipitation…it’s all normal…and yes natural. The earth has an Ice Age that lasts approx. 100 thousand years interspersed with a 10 thousand year warm spell …which the Roman Empire enjoyed and as we enjoy now . This has been occurring for the past 3 billion years ! We are fleas on a very large dog. No doubt we do horrible things to this planet ! Don’t get me wrong….but they told me when I was in college in the eighties that we were going to run out of oil . Many used to think the earth was flat in the 1400’s. Geological time is rarely considered or studied by the general voting public .

#18 the ryguy on 06.18.18 at 5:59 pm

Global cooling was the scare in the 70’s, then warming..now change…yawn typical idiotic leftie scare mongering in an attempt to squeeze every productive nickel they can.

I think Ford is a moron, probably the best turd in the punch bowl, but he’s right about this.

#19 MF on 06.18.18 at 6:02 pm

-I honestly don’t know who to believe anymore. The carbon tax was bound to fail. The premise that charging people more money for a behaviour will deter them from engaging in that behaviour has been proven incorrect. Look at smoking and drinking.

The carbon tax idea was bound to come under fire at the first hint of a more pro business government. And that’s exactly what we are seeing.

Instead of taxing people to prevent them from engaging in a behaviour we should be throwing money at renewable energy source R and D.

Anyways,

There are always two sides to a coin. If global warming is indeed occurring, then cities like Toronto that are largely insulated from weather calamities should fare better than most.

A shorter winter would be welcome. And in regards to this:

“Now Toronto is melting with 40-degree days after a largely non-existent spring.”

-I don’t hear anyone complaining. Me included.

MF

#20 jess on 06.18.18 at 6:02 pm

thought mr. ford hated lawyers however, 30m. to fight carbon pricing plan?

collaborative
http://www.westernclimateinitiative.org/history

remember acid rain
Thank cap and trade, which slashed levels of sulfur dioxide to solve the problem – at a fraction of the projected cost.

Pilot programs in China, which have included elements of cap and trade, now cover more than 2,600 companies in regions with a population of more than 258 million people.

China, the world’s largest greenhouse gas emitter, launched a national emission trading system in 2017 with help from EDF, based on the lessons learned from those pilots.
https://www.edf.org/climate/how-cap-and-trade-works

#21 Pandemic on 06.18.18 at 6:03 pm

#8 Wkr.dover – The dreaded Plague has hit the USA for example, and in China a new mutation of the Flu has sprung up.

#22 Shawn Allen on 06.18.18 at 6:07 pm

Boomer Successor-ship Bias

In finance we sometimes hear about survivor-ship bias where, allegedly, the failed companies are not included in the stock index.

Boomers as a cohort are tarred with the succesor-ship brush. Those boomers that walked out of grade 10 into auto and railroad and hydro jobs with pensions are held up as if all boomers had that easy road.

Not so given tat boomers turned 18 over the years from 1946 to about 1980. The 50’s and 60’s may have been grand for jobs. Most of the 70’s and ’80’s were not.

There was something called stagflation in the ’70’s which was high inflation (about 8%) and high unemployment (about 8% average and 12% Atlantic provinces).

As a late boomer, I graduated in engineering in Nova Scotia in 1984 and very few of the graduates got “real” engineering jobs that year. The West was in recession due to the National Energy Program.

I can tell you from personal experience that “help wanted” signs simply did not exist in Nova Scotia in the mid-eighties. I saw a few help-wanted signs in Toronto in 1986 when I was there beating the streets for a job. I am talking at a corner store and I thought, wow that is encouraging since there were no such signs in Nova Scotia that year.

There are many thousands of Canadian boomers who have drifted around in near minimum wage jobs all their lives and who certainly don’t have pensions.

How many Newfoundland boomers got side-swiped when the cod fishery was wiped out?

Anyone claiming that virtually all boomers had it easy simply was not there at time or was not paying attention.

And not every auto worker who got hired in 1975 escaped permanent “layoff” in subsequent years.

Now agreed, college graduates often have it very rough today. But there were periods in the ’70’s, ’80’s, ’90’s and “00’s when jobs were also very scare.

I can remember seeing where 200 engineers applied for a municipal engineering job.

Anyhow, any new graduate today who spends time whining about how hard they have things compared to an earlier generation is wasting their time and marking themselves as a whiner instead of getting on with it.

#23 Lost...but not leased on 06.18.18 at 6:07 pm

OMG…someone kidnapped Garth and allowed Al Gore to write today’s post.

#24 FreeBird on 06.18.18 at 6:08 pm

Well this should bring the tin foil hats and Alex Jones fans out. Grab your popcorn.

#25 Zapstrap on 06.18.18 at 6:10 pm

#7 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 5:39 pm

Sea levels rising.
Time to sell the Lunenburg BMO, Garth ….for a tidy profit …of course.

Move to “The Rock” and live off moosemeat and gooseberries.

Dats da life!
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Don’t ferget da flippersandgravy man … and all washed down with a lilly screech.

#26 cecil1 on 06.18.18 at 6:12 pm

Sea level has been rising around 1.4 mm/yr for the past 200 years.

So expect a rise of under 20 cm over the next century. All the rest is politically motivated scare tactics and virtue signalling: Problem, reaction, solution.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/sea-level-trends-nearly-constant-for-the-past-100-years/

The climate is changing, the climate is changing!!!’
‘So?? ‘
‘So Hands UP!!! Gimme all your money. ‘

Tax. tax. tax, You work. Government takes with a gun at your back. NO MORE.

“Climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth report. Speaking in 2010:

http://2hiwrx1aljcd3ryc7x1vkkah.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/ottmar.png

#27 Shawn Allen on 06.18.18 at 6:13 pm

The Alberta Carbon Tax…

I pay it without complaint. If my fuel use is potentially causing harm then I should be paying for that harm in some way. I call it paying a fully compensatory price. I need to compensate society if my fuel use causes harm. Call it pay to pollute. Whatever, it beats a system where it is free to pollute.

And the argument that it is useless if the rest of the world does not get on board seems absurd. I’m okay if Alberta and Canada lead by example.

#28 El presidente trump on 06.18.18 at 6:14 pm

Dont worry about it. We now have a space force. I will be selecting the most worthy- two by two -for the space ark. Stormy is not invited. This place is a crap hole without a wall. Space…my final frontier- new hotels!

#29 Gardenmaven on 06.18.18 at 6:14 pm

Dear god: Garth, you’re letting the hysterical weather guys and gals get to you. It’s summer. Toronto temp was around 31 or 32C. Yes, with humidity it feels like 40C, but it isn’t 40C on the thermometer.

#30 Alberta Ed on 06.18.18 at 6:14 pm

Climate Depot is a useful source of information on the current climate controversy, with many links to other, non-government sponsored blogs.

#31 Suburban Guy on 06.18.18 at 6:15 pm

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated.
Ottmar Edenhofer
First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore.
Ottmar Edenhofer
http://www.azquotes.com/author/30831-Ottmar_Edenhofer

#32 Buster on 06.18.18 at 6:15 pm

No less a thinker than Richard Dawkins believes that climate change is a distinct possibility. I lean in that direction too. It would not hurt to take a more responsible and long term view on the use of resources.

Amongst the victims of flooding are the animals. Today’s picture is heart warming and sad at the same time. I suspect it is from the recent Hurricane Harvey that struck Texas. In Houston, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of dogs being either dropped off in shelters or just left to roam as strays. They suffer and they need homes. If you can help, consider contacting a dog rescue organization.

#33 tccontrarian on 06.18.18 at 6:17 pm

I remember in 1979 while in highschool, the world was headed towards another Ice Age (as our teacher showed us a Time Magazine cover saying so…so of course it was ‘true’!) I thought about moving to warmer place when it happened – I figured I could outrun the advancing ice! LOL

Right now, I’d be more concerned about the next couple years as it’s likely to get more turbulent in the Financial Markets – of Tsunami proportions, methinks. The easiest call to make is to do the opposite of whatever Denis Gartmann is doing – especially when he’s public about it (“oil isn’t going past $44/barrel in my lifetime”, he said early 2016, as it was near a bottom).

Bridgewater (Ray Dalio’s Hedge Fund):

“We are bearish on financial assets as the US economy progresses toward the late cycle, liquidity has been removed, and the markets are pricing in a continuation of recent conditions despite the changing backdrop.”
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TCC

#34 Lawnboy on 06.18.18 at 6:18 pm

The Columbia Ice Fields has year markers to show where the toe of the glacier used to be. Last time I was there, it was a huge shock to see 1980 monument ….and watch the bus roll past to deliver visitors to it’s present distant location.

Deny that!

#35 TheDood on 06.18.18 at 6:19 pm

#12 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 5:48 pm
Ford froze government hiring today and in September will bring out the axe to 1.3 million civil servants(almost tripled over last 15 years)With today’s tech and duplication at all 3 levels,300,000 to 750,000 could easily be eliminated and the system would actually run more efficiently.

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Nice……first order of business? – Drain the swamp!

#36 MF on 06.18.18 at 6:21 pm

#12 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 5:48 pm

Which “jobs” are you talking about?

Nurses? Teachers? Police officers? Military?

Please discuss how half a million police officers can be “automated away”?

MF

#37 Mike on 06.18.18 at 6:25 pm

“How governments deal with the climate is a big deal amid a fog of denial by many that a problem exists at all….But, say the scientists, much of that could be avoided if the Paris Accord is implemented and global warming is kept to an extra two degrees or less” – Garth

Fact of the matter is, the world isn’t getting warmer, we’re in fact experiencing a transition into global cooling. This has nothing to do with human activity, but rather the Sun entering a “Maunder Minimum”. The output of the sun is declining faster than it has in the past 10,000 years based on ice core samples and tree ring growth.

With a decrease in the suns output, volcanic activity is inversely correlated and increases. The rise of volcanic activity hastens global cooling, which is why we had snowfall in places like Houston and the Sahara. It’s why iguanas were falling out of trees in northern Florida.

And what would the gov’t do? How would collecting more tax somehow “save the planet”. Feeble leftist thinking believes government will somehow save us from something we have little to no control over.

#38 Camille on 06.18.18 at 6:36 pm

Hello. To those who are scared, if you believe the science, many scientists don’t, put your faith in science to solve the problem. Much better than to tax behaviors which you have no idea about. Apologies, but government does not know how to stop climate change.

#39 dr talc on 06.18.18 at 6:41 pm

it was Canadian Maurice Strong who invented climate change

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/paris-climate-change-conference/12035401/Farewell-to-the-man-who-invented-climate-change.html

#40 PastThePeak on 06.18.18 at 6:42 pm

Move inland – done.

Do I think that man is influencing the climate – yes.

Do I think that it is catastrophic – not sure. That is kind of the real question, isn’t it? Is this the greatest threat that “people-kind” face? I used to think it was nuclear war, or possibly biological warfare. Now I think it might be dysfunctional government.

Anyways, if the “powers that be” were really concerned with saving the planet from this threat, they would be going all out for nuclear power – the only sizeable, non-fossil fuel capable of reliable power generation. That they are not shows it is still a political sideshow.

#41 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 6:42 pm

#36

1/2 a million police Officers eliminated?If we have anywhere near that many in Ontario we’re doomed–Ford will cut the layers upon layers upon layers of bureaucracy that do god knows what.No nurses,police or fire—the education system could be privatized though.

#42 TS on 06.18.18 at 6:49 pm

I always cringe when I see Canadians point to the <2% of global emissions figure like we don't count. Canada is less than 0.5% of the world's population, and the current world leaders by a long shot in emissions per capita. Nobody has a bigger responsibility to do their part to reduce emissions than Canadians.

#43 Willy H on 06.18.18 at 6:51 pm

The Ford Borthers have always been on the wrong of history.

His opposition to carbon taxes and climate change will eventually take his government down.

Although I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Doug I have to give him credit for standing behind our PM (without a butcher knife in his hand!) after Trump pissed and shit all over our G7 meeting.

Also impressed with his hiring freeze on the Ontario Public Sector.

If only his sights could be directed towards public sector pensions – the only place left with any real “fat to cut”.

#44 Willy H on 06.18.18 at 6:53 pm

#29 Gardenmaven on 06.18.18 at 6:14 pm

Dear god: Garth, you’re letting the hysterical weather guys and gals get to you. It’s summer. Toronto temp was around 31 or 32C. Yes, with humidity it feels like 40C, but it isn’t 40C on the thermometer.
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First day of summer is June 21.

#45 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 06.18.18 at 6:53 pm

It is hard to pinpoint what climate change is but examining the population of the planet earth from 1960 we notice major increases in many countries.

Japan and Europe are the exceptions with European population now at 741 million versus 605 million in 1960. These slow growers magnify the population spirts of Countries like Canada with a small population of only 17 million in 1960 to over 36 million today.

Other marked increases show Saudi Arabia going from a very small 4 million in 1960 to 33 million today; Egypt is now at 99 million versus 26 million in 1960 and Indonesia was 87 million in 1960 and now is 266 million.

Africa had only 285 million in 1960 and now has 1.3 billion. You add a lot of folks in a tiny half century it shows up in the environment.

#46 Investx on 06.18.18 at 6:54 pm

That damn inconvenient exit out of The Ice Age.

#47 Smoking Man on 06.18.18 at 6:54 pm

We keys every 5 years for family reunion.
Ocean level from 25 years ago, same as now.

It’s bs. Complete bs…. The man made part.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/18/a-conversation-with-prof-richard-lindzen/

#48 Howard on 06.18.18 at 6:56 pm

“Largely nonexistent spring” is normal in Southern Ontario. The transition from winter-like weather to summer-like is usually very short in that region, that’s a very typical feature of the climate there.

#49 MF on 06.18.18 at 7:02 pm

#41 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 6:42 pm

Hmm so police officers are not the nameless faceless “government workers” you were referring to. Neither are nurses and fire fighters. Got it. FYI these groups are where a huge amount of government spending goes.

And “bureaucracy” could refer to the lady behind the counter who has to deal with the public yell at her all day for 50k/year. Or the call center employee who is yelled at all day on the phone.

Point: “layoff government workers” is a lazy, simplistic, almost vindictive (for some weird reason) approach. Nice and easy because its directed at a nameless/faceless target.

By the way, there are government workers who enjoy serving the public and their country.

Make government more efficient is a better start.

MF

#50 Ace Goodheart on 06.18.18 at 7:03 pm

If you want to really frighten yourself about climate and its changes, forget about CO2 levels, rising seas, whether or not carbon dioxide can be naturally removed from our atmosphere, and whether or not we are destroying our climate.

Study interglacials.

What is an interglacial? Well, it is right now. We are in the tail end of a long interglacial, that has been happening, with a few minor exceptions, for the past 11,700 years.

Have a look here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

scroll down to the section entitled:
“Ice cores (from 800,000 years before present)”

You will see a red and blue graph. Pay close attention to the very top peaks of the graph.

Those are the areas in which it was possible for human beings to live on this planet. They are the times most of the planet was not covered in glaciers 5 miles thick.

The rest of the graph represents times when most of the Earth was a frozen, glacier covered wasteland, with life existing only in the tropical belt.

We are on the tail end of an interglacial, due for a rapid shift into another cold period.

If I were looking at climate change policy, I would be interested in putting as much CO2 into the atmosphere as I could.

It might not save us. But it will delay the inevitable……

#51 Doug Ford's Escalade on 06.18.18 at 7:03 pm

Is Doug Ford’s escalade the same Escalade that brother Rob used to drive?

You know, the Escalade that the Ford brothers first tried to use as part of a bribe to get the first crack-smoking video back from the drug dealers, but later became Rob Ford’s personal vehicle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Rob_Ford_video_scandal

#52 Angel on 06.18.18 at 7:04 pm

Sea levels will not rise…

Why?

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-proof-that-a-new-ice-age-has-already-started-is-stronger-than-ever-and-we-couldnt-be-less-prepared

#53 Costco Nation on 06.18.18 at 7:04 pm

The Sun is changing. There is global warming on Mars. Look it up on the NASA site if not believing.
We can not do anything about it. Taxing is actually making us weaker, less able to adapt.

#54 Jay Currie on 06.18.18 at 7:08 pm

“If sea level rises more than six feet by the end of the century”…

Cecil above has it about right. 1.4 mm per year as it has been from roughly 1800 forward. No detectable acceleration either. And no clear attribution to CO2.

The climate hysterics are losing. Their science is not policy ready and their policy prescriptions are nothing more than tax grabs.

I’ll believe the greenies are serious when they say and mean that we should replace all fossil fuel generated electricity with good, clean, nuclear power. Until then, they are simply bogus tax grabbers hiding behind the virtuous veil of climate ignorance and catastrophism and ignoring any sort of economic reality.

#55 Angel on 06.18.18 at 7:08 pm

34 Lawn boy

It’s the Sun, Sun was strong Ice melted sun is weak and weakening don’t worry bud your Glaciers are coming back….

Sooner and quicker than anybody realizes…

Enjoy Summer while you still can…

#56 Reality is stark on 06.18.18 at 7:09 pm

Taxes redistribute wealth to the risk averse.
Think of it this way.
If you are a woman do you want a risk taking man who is willing to give you a ring and a date or a risk averse man who sees marriage as a bad gamble.
By taxing more we reward the risk averse and risk averse behaviour. The country ultimately becomes poorer as a natural result of little economic incentive.
Eventually the economy cannot afford any more public service jobs (Ford victory) as the public comes to it’s senses and votes in a cost cutter.
At first taxes seem wonderful because they look to offer you independence with a job you like to do that has very little public value at a high salary (including benefits).
But the reality of taxes is that they create a populace that relishes mediocrity and eventually your sugar cookie job disappears.
This is the real legacy of Kathleen Wynne. She believed that debt and taxes would set her people free. She was dead wrong.

#57 Pete on 06.18.18 at 7:11 pm

I think many here forgot the Smog days of Mike Harris. Everyday was a smog day in summer with many smog days in spring and fall. It was so bad I couldn’t see the CN tower even when I was downtown or northyork. Now I can see the CN tower on the roof at work in Brampton. Ford wants to bring back all that wonderful pollution that will kill thousands of seniors and effect young children and those with asthma. At least corporations can pollute the air we breath. I dont mind breathing in toxic poisons so a corporation can make more money. Who cares if it takes years off our lives? Those greedy corporations will make more money which we will see none of it. Three cheers for the corporate conservative fascists.

#58 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 7:12 pm

#9 Jacky on 06.18.18 at 5:41 pm
Why do you talk about “sea level rises more than six feet by the end of the century” when it’s not even 1 foot for the last 150 years?
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Ask yourself “What has changed in the last 150 years?”
How many trees now compared to then?
How have emissions changed?

To think that with all of the changes man has made that the next 80 years will be the same as the last 150 seems silly.

#59 Smartalox on 06.18.18 at 7:14 pm

Climate may be changing, but why aren’t governments committed to addressing the current threats (fire, flood, storms) proactively – building fire breaks around interface areas, or seawalls, or river dykes, instead of always being taken by ‘surprise’ when the next disaster hits.

Might be a more effective use of Carbon Tax dollars, than madly dashing about when the next disaster hits.

The truth is that if we can’t keep climate change under 2 degrees C, all the permafrost in northern Canada and Russia is going to start seeping methane, and then, as they say on the Rock we will all be ‘fooked’.

Who is going to pay for that one?

#60 Pete on 06.18.18 at 7:14 pm

Can any of you idiot conservatives explain why we had lots of smog during the Mike Harris days and now we have none? You conservatives like smog a d breathing in pollution?

#61 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 7:16 pm

#85 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.17.18 at 11:41 pm
#15 SoggyShorts
#40 Terrie Rolph
#46 georgist

My first house was 5 and a bit times earnings. It was a smallish fixer upper. I had 20% down and qualified for a 14% mortgage. I would like to see your punk ass qualify at 8% and pay and actual 6% mortgage for the next whatever number of years you have left. Cheers.

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Our point is that no one is impressed by your 14% mortgage on a cheap house. Loads of people would love 14% rates on houses 65% cheaper.
BTW: I could qualify at any interest rate with a 100% down payment if I wanted to own a crap asset. Punk ass.

#62 Linda on 06.18.18 at 7:17 pm

Whether or not you believe in climate change doesn’t really matter. The weather will do what it will & good luck in pretending that it won’t affect you or someone you know.

What does matter is that our planetary resources are limited. We need to do a much better job in keeping our air, water & soil free from toxins/waste. We have made improvements to our industrial processes & are getting better at reducing waste but that doesn’t mean we should stop improving. We owe it not only to ourselves but to future generations.

Regarding property, I’ve always found it highly ironic that people pay a premium to be ‘on the water’ – which means they are the first to go under when it floods!

#63 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 7:17 pm

@#36 MF
“Which “jobs” are you talking about?

Nurses? Teachers? Police officers? Military?
++++++

No.
The three beaurocrats to one Nurse, Teacher, Fireman, etc. that endlessly push paper back and forth …..back and forth…..back and forth.
To ensure they have a harrassment free, sexist free, bullying free, transgendered inclusive washroom , LGBTQQ2 safe space, friendly workplace environment….

Our dwindling tax dollars urinated against the out door ashtray at any public building would make more financial sense.

#64 conan on 06.18.18 at 7:18 pm

I am hearing that Doug’s first major move. Shutting down Cap and Trade is an 8 billion dollar hit to Ontario. Those companies that bought those credits ( 2.8 billion dollars,) they are going to want their money back. Its going to be a Lawyer love in.

I like cap and trade myself. Industries that don’t meet the environmental guidelines can upgrade their factory or they can buy credits that take them to these guidelines. Those companies that emit less than these guidelines can sell their credits. Does not hurt the tax payer.

Now we have a situation where the polluting companies have to renovate their factories, shut down (likely,) or get the government to reduce the environmental guidelines, and we don’t want that.

So ice is melting and I guess the nay Sayers point to water levels and say they are not rising. Scientifically they are, but more than likely the answer is more sinister.

We are using more water and more is evaporating. If it was not for the melt, we would be a desert planet.

Only thing that will safe us is a big wake up call. That will be from NASA. They are going to tell us there was life on Mars, maybe Venus as well, and both of those civilizations destroyed their planets.

Carbon tax will alter behavior and get us to where we want to be. However, many people are taxed out. They have no choice but to heat their homes or drive their cars to work. I can see a big political fight coming. The Cons will look at Australia for their arguments. The Liberals will make sure that the poorer folks get all this money back.

Me, I think we are ready for some economic innovation.

#65 Harry Danshink on 06.18.18 at 7:18 pm

My Tangerine Dividend fund has made around 8% or so ago 10 years+.

The rest of my RRSP’s, TFSA’s are in 5% long term strips which will grow by 10% a year by maturity.

Keep it simple stupid, KISS.

#66 AGuyInVancouver on 06.18.18 at 7:18 pm

Thanks for at least trying a climate change post. Sorry it brought out the tinfoil hat crowd.

#67 Creepy Man Indeed on 06.18.18 at 7:20 pm

#39 dr talc – I met this man once at a private club with others for lunch. He had this very tall bodyguard from Pakistan standing beside him starring straight ahead like he was in a trance. One could feel the presence of evil bounded with these two into a unholy oneness.

#68 acdel on 06.18.18 at 7:20 pm

Go Doug Go!

Until the world all agrees as one regarding the pollution, sun cycles, the 20 thousand wobble of the earth then why the f*ck should canucks be shortchanged?? Yes, every 20k years the Sahara becomes an oasis, look it up!

Either we all agree together or let the chips fall where they will, give me/us a fricken break on the absolute hypocrisy. Kaching for the worst of the worst!

#69 TurnerNation on 06.18.18 at 7:22 pm

Kanada’s funny this way. You can be a convicted multi-criminal, serve your time then live and work freely (Karla H.)

BUT if you are accused of any of the following it’s over. Loss of friends, career, reputation. There is no redemption to ThoughtCrimes in Kanada!
– Of being a racist
– Of being anti smite
– Of being a climate change denier

#70 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 7:27 pm

@#22 Shawn Allen

Total agreement.
I was a few years ahead of you in the graduation assembly.
Everything you state about the lack of work in the 1970’s and 80’s is bang on.
I left Nova Scotia in ’80. No work. No hope of work.
Went to Calgary just as the crushing recession hit.
Minimum wage, living in shared accomodation in the rat infested basement of an old house in downtown Calagry. ( I saw a drunk cowboy fall off his horse at 2am in front of my place during the Stampede when he leaned over to kiss his “girlfriend” goodnight. We helped him back on the very well trained horse, gave him a cold Pilsner and back he went to the Stampede grounds)
It took many years to build up some equity.
None of it easy.
My heart pumps purple pee for whiney Millenials that think they have it hard.
Just wait kids…… the real estate meltdown is starting and the jobs go with it…… Just like the 80’s
I cant wait.
Maybe then the lazy, arrogant pricks will actually show up to work 5 days a week …on time.

#71 Warm Winter on 06.18.18 at 7:30 pm

With warm winters, more animals in the forest survive through the winter. There are over 100 wild mammals that carry the Borrelia bacteria for Lyme disease. When a wild rabbit gets bit by an infected tick, the rabbit can get Lyme disease. Then if another uninfected tick bites the same rabbit, the rabbit gives the tick the disease which the tick goes on to give to another animal. This disease goes round and round and cold winters used to knock it out. So don’t wish for warm winters or our population problem will be solved. The highest number of infected ticks right now are near Lunenburg. Tuck those socks in Garth when you walk around off paths! Otherwise we all envy you. Lunenburg has such great people!

#72 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 7:32 pm

You said howmuch…

M43BC

“The World’s Most Valuable Brands, in One Chart

Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, once said, “Your brand is what other people say about you when you aren’t in the room.” We might add that if almost everybody is saying great things about you, then you have an extremely valuable brand. This is one way to think about the results our newest visualization.

We found the data for our visualization at Forbes, which publishes an annual list of companies with the best brands. Researches considered only companies with a presence in the U.S. market (which excludes a lot of valuable companies overseas). Forbes then attributed a percentage of each company’s 3-year earnings to its brand—a higher portion for luxury goods, and a lower portion for everyone else. We used these numbers to create a cluster chart, where the size of each bubble corresponds to the value of the brand, and the color represents the industry.

Top Ten Companies with the Most Valuable Brands ($B)
1. Apple (Technology): $182.8B

2. Google (Technology): $132.1B

3. Microsoft (Technology): $104.9B

4. Facebook (Technology): $94.8B

5. Amazon (Technology): $70.9B

6. Coca-Cola (Beverages): $57.3B

7. Samsung (Technology): $47.6B

8. Disney (Leisure): $47.5B

9. Toyota (Automotive): $44.7B

10. AT&T (Telecom): $41.9B

Our visualization highlights how the tech sector dominates consumer perceptions of brand value, representing an incredible $872.6B in combined value. Each of the top 5 companies come from the technology sector, including 6 of the top 10. This isn’t a surprise if you’ve been paying attention to the stock market recently, where the so-called FAANG stocks have generated outsized returns for several years running (Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google). If anything, the one surprise at the top of the list is that Netflix is missing; it’s way down at 55th on our list. “Netflix and chill” just doesn’t have the same appeal as iPhones.

Our visualization also makes it easy to see which sectors have the best brands. After technology, the automotive sector has the second highest collective brand value, led by companies like Toyota ($44.7B), Mercedes-Benz ($34.4B) and BMW ($31.4B). Volkswagen just barely makes it onto the list with a brand value of $7.9B, no doubt still recovering from its vehicle emissions scandal. The financial services and consumer packaged goods sectors both also stand out as industries with above-average brand valuations. Coca-Cola ($57.3B) deserves special mention as the only beverage company to crack the top 10.

To put it simply, the value of a brand is how customers perceive it. This means that brands can be fickle. Take Apple as an example, the most valuable brand in our visualization and perhaps of all time. Is the Galaxy S9 really all that different from the iPhone X? A string of corporate scandals or products that fail to deliver a premium experience suggest that Apple’s time atop the brand pyramid might be coming to an end. Then again, the company sold well over 50 million $1,000+ iPhone Xs, setting another record in revenue for the company. Good luck trying to compete with that type of premium brand loyalty.”

https://howmuch.net/articles/top-100-most-valuable-brands-2018

#73 akashic record on 06.18.18 at 7:33 pm

Ice cores record over 420 thousands year of detailed data, including temperature, CO2, magnetic fields, sea level, etc.

They show that there are several nested cycles of our planet: 100 thousands, 41 thousands, 26 thousands, 5 thousands year cycles.

According to this data we are just a bit above the a average temperature.

The temperature and greenhouse gases, especially CO2 has a clear correlation over the 425 thousands year of data. But this data doesn’t support the theory that greenhouse gases cause the temperature increase.

In fact the temperature is rising before the greenhouse gases raise according to ice core data.

In the 1987 October issue of Nature Magazine actually published this data and stated that “when going from interglacial to glacial conditions, the change in CO2 concentration actually lags the change in air temperature”.

Climate change is a fact, but it may be due to very different reason that was suspected – and the financial incentives were created to combat it.

Natives have been aware of this cyclical climate change and they tell us, that it is caused by the Earth changing place in space, or as they say “the sky has changed”.

Earth has a 26 000 years cycle axial precession, a 413000 year cycle of eccentricity and the tilt or obliquity.

Plotting them on the same chart shows correlation with the temperature of Earth.

Based on these cycles and their correlation to temperature, the idea of carbon tax is pointless.

Starts at 2:19 into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxERTlbAo7g&list=PL3ducBA0aeVEraiotz7u6uGsEgM1JmrAV

#74 n1tro on 06.18.18 at 7:34 pm

#23 Lost…but not leased on 06.18.18 at 6:07 pm
OMG…someone kidnapped Garth and allowed Al Gore to write today’s post.
———————-
Good old Al. Scaring the public with his “Inconvenient Truth” about coastlines being submerged while buying a multi million dollar condo along the cosat. Suck and blow much?

#75 PGer on 06.18.18 at 7:38 pm

Climate change or not, I think most Canadians see the total futility of paying carbon taxes for no apparent benefit. Especially considering the US, China and India are the major “polluters” and are not implementing a carbon tax (except California).

Canada’s emissions are paltry, and we live in a freezer most of the year, and need to heat our homes and drive large distances. Taxing us for basic living requirements is a dumb, lefty idea (wealth transfer) and was bound to fail (just ask Australia).

How does adding an approximate $20/ month for me to heat my home (which is about what it is in BC where I live) in winter with nat gas change my behaviour? Do I sit and freeze in the dark for the goodness of humanity? I think not.

One thing I believe in though – always buy on higher ground.

#76 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 7:41 pm

Fake News Again on 06.18.18 at 4:09 pm

BANNED

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It seems a spot just opened up in the Greaterfool soccer pool.

Such a shame when I lumped myself with Australia just because I ate a few vegemite sandwiches growing up.

Yell out if anyone wants Spain…

#77 Joe Schmoe on 06.18.18 at 7:42 pm

#2 NoName

I used to volunteer to judge school science fairs…80% turned into Global junk science…regurgitation of non-peer reviewed studies or verifiable studies.

One poor little girl (grade 5) did an airplane study and built 12 airplane herself, threw them each 20 times and measured the distance and time in the air. She then had her little brother do the same thing and reported her results. She looked at the results and then designed a new and improved plane. Tested it to verify the hypothesis and was correct.

She lost to a book report on global warming.

I believe that man is impacting climate change. Junk science won’t prove a thing. And taxes won’t stop consumption.

#78 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 7:43 pm

#49

5000 people making $200,000 who do next to nothing except endless meetings and bs=$1 billion saved right there then add in 3000 people making 300,000==another 900 million there and we could go on and on—we have 1.3 million public servants ,almost tripled from 15 years ago–and 10’s of thousands on the sunshine list–government spends $152 billion mostly on salaries so $50 billon could
be cut with absolutely no notice except improvement

#79 Yuus bin Haad on 06.18.18 at 7:43 pm

How about get that guy who used to run around Manitoba naked waving a flag to keep the elephants away – that seemed to work.

#80 n1tro on 06.18.18 at 7:46 pm

#36 MF on 06.18.18 at 6:21 pm
#12 Big Bucks on 06.18.18 at 5:48 pm

Which “jobs” are you talking about?

Nurses? Teachers? Police officers? Military?

Please discuss how half a million police officers can be “automated away”?

MF
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Well you start by programming a robot that passes high school and then enrol in a few courses in police sciences. You then program the robot to shoot first then ask questions later. Oh, don’t forget to make sure the robot can grow fat as the years passes by on Tim Hortons doughnuts and coffee. Having the robot make the sunshine list by taking $500/hr private gigs standing/guarding concerts is optional.

Maybe it be easier to just program the robots to cull criminals.

I can go either way.

#81 acdel on 06.18.18 at 7:49 pm

#66 AGuyInVancouver

People like you spread un-found fears, you must be a paid “what ever one wants to label you hypocrites nowadays”,
seriously, wake up!!

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/earths-forests-grew-9-new-satellite-survey

#82 Steve on 06.18.18 at 7:56 pm

The only reason mankind has flourished is science. We need to start applying science ie engineering to solve co2 and other problems. A carbon tax will not create discoveries or move us forward. More government is not the solution, smarter people are! We need modern nuclear power, thorium liquid salt reactors and carbon capture. No government will gives that!

#83 Shawn on 06.18.18 at 7:56 pm

USDCAD has begun a multiyear uptrend similar to 2013. Where does it top out? 1.6?

#84 Bob Dog on 06.18.18 at 7:58 pm

Climate changes naturally over hundreds of millennia. Climate changes drastically over decades when you move carbon from the ground to the atmosphere. The earths atmosphere is very thin compared to the diameter of the earth. Less than the thickness of an apple skin.

https://www.decodedscience.org/the-thin-skin-of-our-atmosphere/27278

I suggest ignoring all the warnings coming from people with a Phd in climatology. Also ignore people with degrees in political science, finance and medicine.

/s

I sometimes like to imagine the thousands of dead civilizations out there in our Galaxy. Enter planets devoid of life because of runaway greenhouse effect caused industrialization.

#85 Calm and Sense on 06.18.18 at 8:01 pm

Before 1950, a typical home had a 30 amp electrical panel (thats the amount of juice you needed to run a house for you non-electric guys ‘n gals).

From 1950 to 1965, 50 amp panels were standard. A 66% increase.

In the mid 60’s the 100 amp panel came onto the market, and lasted us for about 30 years. That’s 333% more juice used than in the years before 1950.

Today we have 200 amp panels regularly being installed on a single family home. A whopping 566% increase in electricity usage per home!

But wait! There’s more! You can now purchase 400 amp panels off the shelf from home depot, for all those nifty big screens and the quick charge Tesla port. Now only 1233% more electricity usage PER HOUSEHOLD!!!

I call that a bargain!

Long story short, if you want to change the climate, we need to change behavior and focus on efficiency, not taxation. Governments mandated required mandated efficiencies for refridgerators in the middle of the last century, and electricity usage for fridges dropped significantly. Governments mandated catalytic conversion requirements on vehicles and smog dropped significantly. Taking lead out of fuel (by government mandate) along with benzene reduced air pollution by crazy big amounts.

If the government has a role in anything, it should be in *suggesting* guidelines for future pollution reduction strategies.

A carbon tax does nothing but commoditize a naturally occurring, and essential & inert, gas. A cap and trade program only industrializes a useless market (selling carbon) that has never existed before and does nothing to reduce actual pollution.

(The two cents of a pragmatic man.)

#86 2 Cents Canadian on 06.18.18 at 8:02 pm

The experts say the odds of man kind surviving another 100 years is 50/50. 100 years past that … near mill. We’re near the end of a course…. a cycle. You can’t get 7 billion people (and growing exponentially) on the same page. 3/4 of the world don’t even have their first car, their big tv, a decent home or stuff inside it …. mass consumption is just getting rolling. By the time the masses recognize the air is too bad to breath, the waters too polluted, the dumps too full, the temperatures and weather so extreme, the streets too dangerous it will be way too late. Throw in the deficit economies that are out of control. You can’t apply 5-10-15-20-25 year solutions to global problems in a system where voters vote every 4-5 years and want the governments to provide stuff that makes their life wonderful and they want to pay $1.00 tax for every $2.00 of benefits (they’d prefer to pay nothing).
Most systems are crumbling or held up with tooth picks.
Most voters live for today. The problem is ….. hard work pays off in the future …… Lazy pays off right now.

#87 meslippery on 06.18.18 at 8:05 pm

Climate change predictions…
Or Oil price predictions or peak oil.
Remember http://nationalpost.com/opinion/dan-gardner-jeff-rubin-is-a-guru-you-shouldnt-listen-to

#88 Shawn Allen on 06.18.18 at 8:06 pm

World Government is Coming

When climate change can only be tackled on a global scale… When preventing nuclear war and nuclear proliferation can only be tackled on a global scale. When terrorism can threaten any country… When human rights are considered to be universal… When armed forces of several countries have reached the stage of mutual assured destruction…

For a variety of reasons we are well past the ancient times when any country could be an island. Other than probably the USA and maybe a few other countries the existence of true independent sovereignty ended quite a while ago.

For all kinds of reasons there is already a fair amount of world government infrastructure in place. And there will inevitably be much more. Technology makes it inevitable.

The nationalistic spasm that the USA and a few other countries are experiencing will someday be seen as the death throes of nationalism.

World government will come and nationalism will be as politically incorrect as racism is today.

Remind me, and I will come back in the year 2050 (a mere 32 years away) to say I told you so.

#89 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 8:06 pm

@#75 Floppie
“if anyone wants Spain….”
++++++
Nope.
I’m developing an affinity to my espanole speaking amigos from Costa Rica.
Even though they are THIRD FROM LAST in the rankings…..
They’re not last.
Everyone loves an underdog….unless you’re under a dog.

#90 This is the End on 06.18.18 at 8:07 pm

Not a mention of Fukushima ? They can`t find 3 nuclear cores, deadly mox nuclear fuel dust raining down on BC for 6 years now. Radioactive currents and rain clouds killing everything except the sea lice. Its never going to stop . They are forlorn spectators to a possible extinction event.
The fallout has got to be affecting the population; witness BC politics and the comments section.

Is J. Trudeau and a his carbon tax going to save the planet ? I`d put those odds at precisely ZERO !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushima-and-the-mass-media-meltdown

#91 Game Over on 06.18.18 at 8:09 pm

There should be population control language in the Paris accord. I mean how can we reproduce without end and reduce reduce the human footprint on the planet at the same time?

#5 hit it on the head. Canada only contributes around 1.5% of global emissions. We are just reducing our competitiveness by being the early adopters.

#92 MF on 06.18.18 at 8:09 pm

79 n1tro on 06.18.18 at 7:4

Usually the people who have problems with police officers are the same people who have problems with authority in general.

Anyways,

Don’t like the laws, run for office and change them. The officers are just there to enforce the law.

And with regards to your assertion that police are “fat” with pay. The simple reality is if you do not pay your police force a decent wage you open the door to corruption. Our system is not perfect, but our cops are miles away from most places like Mexico. Actually almost all of human “societies” on earth are riddled with corruption and are an utter joke. To complain about Canadian police against that backdrop seems naive.

MF

#93 figus makum on 06.18.18 at 8:10 pm

Want an inexpensive source of power? “Yes.”
Want it to be safe? “Yes.”
Want it to be efficient? “Yes.”
Want this source to be carbon neutral? “Yes.”
Want it to be sustainable? “Duhh, of course.”

Then, think LFTR (liquid fluoride thorium reactors).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLHBfolE6Hs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY

#94 Ace Goodheart on 06.18.18 at 8:15 pm

Modern human life on planet Earth is going to end in a very specific way.

Dreams of advanced civilisations, Star Trek like capabilities, intergalactic travel, world peace, our desire to raise up the human being to meet and conquer the universe will end the same way the weeds at the bottom of your driveway end each winter.

Under an immense pile of ice.

We are not going to be here 10,000 or even 5000 years from now.

Our warm interglacial is drawing to a close.

Winter is coming. Very soon the aspirations and dreams of modern human society will be crushed under a 5 mile deep pile of ice.

#95 Wait There on 06.18.18 at 8:17 pm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-us-lawmakers-warn-canada-about-chinese-telecom-giant-huawei/

Made in China 2025 is no joke. 99% of Canadians don’t even understand what that is all about.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/why-does-everyone-hate-made-china-2025

#96 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 8:23 pm

@#79 Yuus bin Kiddin
“How about get that guy who used to run around Manitoba naked waving a flag to keep the elephants away….
+++++

Well. That bore repeating.
I’m speachless ( much to the satifaction of numerous blogdogs)

I thought Vancouver was looney tune central….I stand corrected.

#97 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 8:26 pm

Recent sale report/Realtor assistance needed.

Well, I didn’t get an answer yet on the condo on Cambie ,but I will try to get Gary Smith an answer as to what happened to to this relatively affordable house in Delta.

It sold 18 days ago.

As you can see by Gary’s message they paid 920k in April 2016 and talked about updates ,and at the time of sale were asking 914k.

I know people on here think I’m a no-good bum, but do it for the kids.

And Gary…

M43BC

Now asking 914k

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176 gary smith on 01.18.18 at 1:11 am

And another about to flop in Delta-Scottsdale.

Purchased in April 2016 for 920,000
Listed (“updates!!”) for 938,800

https://www.zolo.ca/delta-real-estate/7333-113-street

https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/QTAwMDA1VkZENg==

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#98 Andrewt on 06.18.18 at 8:28 pm

#52 Angel on 06.18.18 at 7:04 pm
Sea levels will not rise…

Why?

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-proof-that-a-new-ice-age-has-already-started-is-stronger-than-ever-and-we-couldnt-be-less-prepared

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You do know the difference between an opinion piece and actual reporting, right?

#99 Eco Capitalist on 06.18.18 at 8:28 pm

So long as pollution is free, we will continue to pollute.

Cap and trade is a mystery to most people. If you really want to change their behaviour, you need to give them a tax they understand.

It’s all largely irrelevant though. Like the killing machine with the accent said, it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.

#100 Citizen at Kelowna on 06.18.18 at 8:28 pm

There were 4 questions posed to us by a great speaker Jay Stevens and he took the time to research all 4. They were:
1. Is the world temperature rising?
2. Is humankind causing it?
3. If we were, is there anything we could do about it?
4. Is it bad?

1. Yes, the world temp is rising on the whole very moderately, nothing to be concerned about.

2. The jury is definitively out on this question. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either misinformed or misleading you.

3. The estimated cost to reverse the world temp was approx $50 trillion. This is obviously going to hurt far more people than its intended to help, given it’s not a serious problem anyway (see q.1)

4. On the whole more people die of cold weather than hot. Every year 1000’s die from hypothermia, while 10’s die from overheating.

Also, warm weather helps with growing crops. While C02 is a dirty word because of its misuse in the public debate, it is simply this: plant food. It is a greenhouse gas, guess what grows in a greenhouse? Food!

The earth warming is not a bad thing. It is a power play.

Have a great day, and one day one without winters.

#101 MSM-Free Zone on 06.18.18 at 8:33 pm

Once gave some serious thought to buying an environmentaly-friendly hybrid next time around, then saw a Bayliner 4788 with twin Cummins 370 turbo-diesels pull out of Port Credit bound for Toronto Island at 1.43 mpg.

I said to myself, what’s the point?

#102 Happy penguin day on 06.18.18 at 8:35 pm

4 Ace Goodheart on 06.18.18 at 8:15 pm
Modern human life on planet Earth is going to end in a very specific way.

Dreams of advanced civilisations, Star Trek like capabilities, intergalactic travel, world peace, our desire to raise up the human being to meet and conquer the universe will end the same way the weeds at the bottom of your driveway end each winter.

Under an immense pile of ice.

We are not going to be here 10,000 or even 5000 years from now.

Our warm interglacial is drawing to a close.

Winter is coming. Very soon the aspirations and dreams of modern human society will be crushed under a 5 mile deep pile of ice.

Africa and central America will have to build a wall to keep out the deplorables.

#103 acdel on 06.18.18 at 8:37 pm

99 Eco Capitalist

Sure no problem as long the rhetoric applies to every country in the world; donate your dollars to those who receive millions only to it being siphoned off who shop on the Champs in Paris. Are you self sufficient, off the grid, create your own fuel, if so how, does it pollute, if not good for you?!!

#104 Frustrated Kiwi on 06.18.18 at 8:37 pm

Some very fuzzy thinking in the comments.

The climate has always changed. Sure, but humans weren’t around for most of that time. More importantly, doesn’t mean humans can’t change the climate. It is also interesting to me that the argument has generally shifted from “the climate isn’t changing” to “the climate has always changed”.

Sure, we can have a debate about whether it is worth the money to decrease emissions, but lets stick to logical arguments please folks (as Garth has done!).

#26 cecil1 your article on sea level rise comes from 2010. Find me something recent that contradicts:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12069988
“Before 2012, Antarctica lost ice at a steady rate of 76 billion tonnes per year – a 0.2 mm per year contribution to sea level rise. But since then there has been a sharp, threefold increase. Between 2012 and 2017 the continent lost 219 billion tonnes of ice per year – a 0.6 mm per year sea-level contribution.”

To those bringing up the 70s Ice Age scares, see #37 Mike, yes we are in a natural cooling cycle, which is one thing counteracting the warming caused by increased carbon in the atmosphere. The science on greenhouse gases has been know for about 100 years. The fact that there is now more carbon in the atmosphere is also incontrovertible. But climate is complex and interrelated. Personally, I have a lot of hope for some of the new carbon capture technology that will be able to undo a lot of the extra carbon currently in the atmosphere. But we’ll see I guess. I do wonder what evidence there would need to be for some of those on here to change their views.

#105 pay your taxes on 06.18.18 at 8:41 pm

Didn’t that bloated swine ex VP claim that Manhattan would be under water by 2012? How’d that prediction turn out?

I live near the ocean and have worked on a boat for 20 years and there’s been no noticeable rise in sea levels. If people got their heads away from their computer screens and investigated some of these ridiculous claims themselves there’d be a lot less hysteria and a more moderate discourse on the planet’s environmental woes.

The day is fast approaching when fossil fuels will be too expensive to extract so they will be left in the ground. The population problem and environmental problems will be sorted out in one fell swoop. Party on while you still can.

#106 Blacksheep on 06.18.18 at 8:44 pm

Funny you mention higher ground.

5 years ago we looked at a small acreage out in valley, backed onto a canal that feeds the farms…Beautiful.

Flooding wasn’t really on our radar yet, but being the prudent dude I am, I downloaded an altimeter app on my phone and discovered the property was only 16 meters above sea level and if the dykes broke (they are eroding fast and need 450 million to repair) anywhere out in the fraser valley, it would be under water with the rest of the fools that bought on the flood plane.

That’s why we bought a view home instead, 200 ft above the valley floor, well that and I like looking down on the little people.

Also..the earth wobbles, deal with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

We are ants, along for the ride.

(Go Doug!)

#107 Learn to surf on 06.18.18 at 8:47 pm

47 Smoking Man on 06.18.18 at 6:54 pm
We keys every 5 years for family reunion.
Ocean level from 25 years ago, same as now.

It’s bs. Complete bs…. The man made part.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/18/a-conversation-with-prof-richard-lindzen/

..

Let me guess… uncle bubba stood in the ocean- beer in hand -yup same as it ever was.. now that’s science.
Your hero trump – i believe u genuflect and call him sir trump in your tweets – is increasing the height of seawalls around his golf courses.

#108 Flat Earth Society on 06.18.18 at 8:50 pm

One of the former founders of Green Peace, Patrick Moore (PhD), thinks CO2 levels are too low, and 1000 ppm (parts per million, so 0.1%) would be ideal for life. How did it get too low? Well, plants have been sequestering it in the ground since life began. CO2 levels in the distant past were much higher than they are today, but plants (or algae) have been hovering it up for a billion years and then getting buried. So how did CO2 levels get so low as 270 parts er million prior to the industrial revolution? Plants again had to get better and better at hovering what CO2 was left to survive. But if we look out in to the future 100 million years or so, they probably would have used it all up and everything would die. Not that anybody really cares what will happen in 100 million years, there is no way we are going to be around in 100 years, but in a way it could be argued that by returning a bunch of CO2 to the atmosphere we have potentially extended the period of time the earth will have life. Patrick Moore makes that same argument and I stole it from him.

In fact, if you go back far enough there was no oxygen in the atmosphere and lots of CO2, enough to suffocate an air breathing animal, probably on the order of 10% or more, which is something like 250 times more than we have now. Of course that wouldn’t be good at this point because only plants would survive, so there is a number that is too high.

When Patrick Moore co-founded Green Peace the main topics of concern to the organization were nuclear testing and over whaling, both bad things that are irreversible. The nuclear industry as a whole was also a target because the byproducts are nasty and we’ve made enough of them now that when they do finally escape containment, which they will, it will end life on the planet. It won’t be CO2 that finally ends this 500 million year experiment called life, it will be plutonium and the die is already cast. It’s just a matter of time. A few more Fukushimas and we’re done. Splitting the atom was the single most stupid thing mankind has ever done. Sorry “peoplekind”.

But anyway, Patrick Moore and Micheal Mann and everyone else can just chillax, based on how much fossil fuels we’ve burned since the start of the industrial revolution and how much CO2 we’ve added since then we likely won’t be able to push the CO2 levels to much past 600 parts per million before fossil fuel extraction is uneconomic. Estimates vary as to when that will be but it won’t be 100 years. It could be 20 years until the decline process begins. Some say it’s already begun or we wouldn’t be losing $20 on every barrel of shale oil we produce. Sure, there is lots of shale oil, but it takes a lot to get it out.

Once fossil fuels start to decline, so does the economy. Once that decline goes far enough at some point we won’t have the resources to keep all that lovely plutonium and enriched uranium we’ve made in the swimming pools they store it in. After that nature takes over via decay of the structures and eventually all those radioactive materials go atmospheric. At that point it’s gonna be 1 million years before things settle out enough that the earth could sustain life again, but there won’t be enough CO2 in the atmosphere to kick it off again. We don’t know exactly how life started, but what we do know is it took a high CO2 atmosphere and not an oxygen rich atmosphere. Oxygen tends to oxidize the very compounds that needed to form into organic chemicals so what you want is CO2, which provides carbon which is the base of all organic chemicals, not oxygen. Oxygen is a byproduct of life, CO2 is the gas of life. Oxygen breathing life, ie. animals, are a byproduct of plant life, things that can photosynthesize. Things that can photosynthesize (plants) need CO2, or they die.

So once again governments are coming to the rescue by addressing the wrong problem. The 2 most pressing issues we face is that we’re running out of oil and that we’ve piled up all this plutonium, virtually all of it above ground. What happens to the climate is of little concern by comparison.

(PS for the brights: The real reason for the carbon taxes is so you will use less, so that in an era of scarcity they (TPTB) will have more. It’s not anything to do with the climate it’s all going to get burned, every last drop of it. The question is “who gets to burn it? Al Gore’s private jet never goes without fuel.)

(PPS also for the brights: All organic life forms, when introduced to a new source of food (energy), expand exponentially, until they have consumed all of the food (energy) and then the population collapses. For the yeast in a carboy of grape juice it’s the sugar in the grape juice but once that is used up it stops bubbling and the yeast dies. For humans, times were pretty boring until the advent of the steam engine, at which point it became fossil fuels. When they are gone so are we, at least as we know it. The hunter gatherers that might survive after won’t have the means nor the knowledge to contain the plutonium.)

(PPPS also also for the brights: Solar and wind are like trying to run a transportation system on horses and buggies. It won’t scale.)

(PPPPS, also for the brights. I didn’t know what I know now when I had kids. But now you do. There is no point.)

#109 Ex-Cowtown on 06.18.18 at 8:50 pm

An entire column of mushroom induced pearl clutching.

Impressive.

#110 Terry on 06.18.18 at 8:51 pm

“Which won’t happen, of course. It’s all fake news, says the leader of the world’s biggest economy. And now, of Canada’s largest province.”

That is absolutely correct Garth. All you lefties can keep going on believing all this climate change bunk and keep watching and letting the main stream media do all your thinking for you. Meanwhile I’ll keep throwing all my trash away as normal and if the land-fills fill up …….. then tell the municipalities to dig a deeper whole for more room to throw away my garbage!

#111 Dan on 06.18.18 at 8:51 pm

You should read the details of the Paris Accord. If you did you wouldn’t be mocking US leaving the agreement. It’s heavy taxation on the first world while allowing the biggest polluters in the world to continue to polluters while getting a pay cheque redistribution of wealth from the first world. While the goal is half a degree reduction by 2045. It’s a joke to make the first world completely uncompetitive.

Where was I mocking? Take your blinders off. – Garth

#112 Blacksheep on 06.18.18 at 8:57 pm

Shawn #88,

“World Government is Coming”
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I know this is likely inevitable,

but is this a good, or, bad thing?

#113 EV expert on 06.18.18 at 9:00 pm

Reply to Calm and Sense, your argument about the capacity of electrical panels being larger and therefore electricity consumption increasing based on the size of the panel doesn’t hold true. It also doesn’t make any sense, since having a 100amp panel does not mean you are using that much energy all the time. Electricity consumption per capita in Canada and the U.S. has been declining for many years.

In fact, in Canada, we used more electricity per person in 1988 than we do now (that was 20 years ago!).

It was rising rapidly until the late 1980’s before leveling off, and then declining since 2004.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC?locations=CA

#114 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 9:01 pm

Recent sale report/ Realtor assistance needed.

This one had financial tragedy written all over it but just like the games at the World Cup that why watch to see how it ends.

You never know what’s gonna happen.

This house even though it sold 38 days ago ,zolo just changed it over to sold now.

They paid 1.51 in 2016 and put it back on and struggled ever since.

The last time I saw they were asking 1.46 ,even though the assessment came in at 1.7

They bought at the peak,how much did it cost for them to try and reach the Summit…

M43BC

6236 Summit Avenue, West Vancouver paid 1.51 now asking 1.46
Assessment 1.70

Oct 26:$1,688,000 <2016
Jan 29: $1,649,000
Change: – 39000.00 -2%

2017-01-29 : $1,649,000
2017-05-15 : $1,850,000
2017-06-28 : $1,599,000
2016-10-26 : $1,688,000
2018-04-03 : $1,468,000

https://www.zolo.ca/west-vancouver-real-estate/6236-summit-avenue

https://evaluebc.bcassessment.ca/Property.aspx?_oa=QTAwMDAyOTBFQg==

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Feel free to make a donation.

Flop For Fox Fund…

http://www.terryfox.org/get-involved/ways-to-give/

#115 Gravy Train on 06.18.18 at 9:01 pm

#22 Shawn Allen on 06.18.18 at 6:07 pm
“… I can tell you from personal experience that help-wanted signs simply did not exist in Nova Scotia in the mid-eighties….

“I can remember seeing where 200 engineers applied for a municipal engineering job.”

“[Job-search] experts [estimate] that 80% of all job vacancies are never listed.”
http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/jobs

“Looking for employers’ job postings on the Internet apparently works just 4% of the time, on average….

“Posting, or mailing out, your résumé to employers works at getting you a job (or, more accurately, at getting you an interview that leads to a job) only 7% of the time, apparently….

“Answering local newspaper ads works some­where between 5 and 24% of the time. The range is due to the level of sal­ary being sought. Job hunters looking for low-level salary jobs find this method works 24% of the time; those looking for a high salary find it works only 5% of the time….

“Knocking on the door of any employer, office or manufacturing plant. This method works 47% of the time and works best with small employers. Sometimes you blunder into a place where a vacancy has just developed.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2016/09/05/the-10-best-and-worst-ways-to-look-for-a-job/#6905a7732e7b

“Choose the places where you’d like to work and whether they have an advertised vacancy or not, approach them through people who know you but also know them (commonly called ‘your referrals’ or ‘your contacts’ though you may also think of them as ‘bridge people’, as they form a bridge between you and that place).”
http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/jobs/view/where-to-look-for-jobs-when-youre-job-huntin-2

For further details on how to get jobs and change careers, see Dick Bolles’s book What Color is Your Parachute? (Ten Speed Press, 2018).

Here’s his Web site: http://www.jobhuntersbible.com

#116 Darren on 06.18.18 at 9:02 pm

High bank waterfront is the sweet spot for real estate….

#117 Islander on 06.18.18 at 9:04 pm

https://climate.nasa.gov
Might want to read what eminent scientists have to say before you put in your uninformed 2 cents worth…the ‘dogs’ that is ….not Garth!
Thanks for bringing up the topic.

#118 ShawnG in TO on 06.18.18 at 9:04 pm

if we include all the weed that smoked up in BC do they still have 500% less carbon emissions?

#119 NoName on 06.18.18 at 9:04 pm

@Joe Shmo and science project

I feel for that little airplane girl. I am sure of someone was to show her Al Goer new worth vs climate change / global warming she would blow every one else’s science project out of the water… I can see her incorporating 8th world wonder in her work.

As for my older one, she was eather kicked out from group project or just for some any other reason given climate change for her project…

#120 Nick on 06.18.18 at 9:09 pm

The only way you can change behaviour is by putting a price on that behaviour. We north Americans waste a lot of energy so I don’t mind a carbon tax. A cap and trade sceme is another thing all together, I would get rid of it. Take a trip to Europe and see how they use energy, much more efficient because it’s more expensive. Simple economics and behaviour.

#121 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 9:11 pm

#61 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 7:16 pm
#85 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.17.18 at 11:41 pm
#15 SoggyShorts
#40 Terrie Rolph
#46 georgist

My first house was 5 and a bit times earnings. It was a smallish fixer upper. I had 20% down and qualified for a 14% mortgage. I would like to see your punk ass qualify at 8% and pay and actual 6% mortgage for the next whatever number of years you have left. Cheers.
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Our point is that no one is impressed by your 14% mortgage on a cheap house. Loads of people would love 14% rates on houses 65% cheaper.
BTW: I could qualify at any interest in rate with a 100% down payment if I wanted to own a crap asset. Punk ass.
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A 1,000,000 mortgage today at 3.5% would be say $35,000.
A 65% less mortgage today of 350k at 14% would be say $49,000. Cost you more.
Good luck Einstein….BTW, change the Depenz once in a while and your shorts won’t be so soggy.

#122 ImGonnaBeSick on 06.18.18 at 9:20 pm

The Liberals can shove their carbon tax-grab. According to this article;

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/science/how-many-pounds-of-carbon-dioxide-does-our-forest-absorb.html

1 acre of forest offsets 2.7 cars. At 11000 lbs per car, that’s absorbing almost 30,000 lbs of CO2.

America has 747 million acres of forest; http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/X4995e.htm, so offset of 2 billion cars. America has 263 million vehicles. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicles-in-the-united-states-since-1990/. Just over 1/10th of what can be absorbed, leaving the rest to soak up energy production and agriculture. There are 93.5 million cows in the US. http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx, with each producing the equivalent of 4 tons or 9000 lbs of CO2. (Sorry lost the link)… so 1 acre of forest would offset 3.4 cows, 747 million acres giving the capacity for 2.5 billion cows.

In Canada, there are 847 million acres of forest. http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/report/area/17601, so this would offset approx 2.3 billion cars. Canada has 33 million cars. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/trade14c-eng.htm, and around 13 million cows.

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/canada-may-already-be-carbon-neutral-so-why-are-we-keeping-it-a-secret

#123 Spectacle on 06.18.18 at 9:24 pm

Robert B on 06.18.18 at 5:34 pm
Its funny how North America went through the ice age. Ice was over 3km thick at spots. It melted all on its own without man.

Weather is constantly changing. It always has and always will. No need to pay a tax on something that is nothing more than a tax grab.

-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-::-::-::-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-
Had a unique opportunity to speak with a retired prospector, engineer on the prairies a long time ago.

He gave me fossils and Ancient pine cones, about 1/8 of an inch full grown. He drilled them out from beneath the ground in Manitoba during his Geo Explorations.

To this day, the Prehistoric Earth is frozen in time about 30 feet below the surface. Ice locked trees, extinct pine cones and so much other amazing research material from the last major freeze. Yes, all buried and frozen 30 feet below the surface.

#124 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 9:26 pm

Recent sale report/Realtor assistance needed.

Sold 4 days ago,so it is fresh meat.

Just like the Confirmed Pink Snow case I filled away for the guys at Lakeshore Drive,Coquitlam the other day, I never got the idea that these guys were out and out speculators and might be another party just in the wrong place at the wrong time when life took at a turn.

Anyway we still have to look at the numbers,so here we go.

They paid 1.36 May 2016 and after starting off at 1.49 in May 2017 they ended up asking less than purchasing price at 1.34.

Nobody knew during Spring Fling 2016 they were buying at the detached peak, but now it also appears condos are beginning to Crest…

M43BC

1214 CREST CRT, COQUITLAM . Paid 1.36 May 2016 ass 1.41 asking 1.34

May 25:$1,498,888
Jul 4: $1,459,888

Change: – 39000.00 -3%

https://www.zolo.ca/coquitlam-real-estate/1214-crest-court

https://www.bcassessment.ca/Property/Info/QTAwMDAzWE5NMQ==

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Feel free to make a donation.

Flop For Fox Fund…

http://www.terryfox.org/get-involved/ways-to-give/

#125 acdel on 06.18.18 at 9:27 pm

#107 Flat Earth Society

Flat Earth???? Seriously????

Ok, enough with the my views; to each their own!

What I strongly agree with your statement is that the splitting of the atom changed everything; so much is unsaid but I agree that it is the worst thing ever developed by man-kind. There is nothing free or safe about it…

#126 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 9:31 pm

#100 Citizen at Kelowna on 06.18.18 at 8:28 pm

Climate change affects weather, in large part, by intensifying the water cycle. In short, water evaporates into the atmosphere from both land and sea and returns to Earth’s surface in the form of rain and snow. As the world warms, the rate of evaporation from our oceans seems to be increasing, powering ever-stronger storms.

Consider Hurricane Harvey, which moved across abnormally warm waters in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico before dropping unprecedented rain on Houston, Texas. Hurricanes and typhoons work like “giant engines that use warm, moist air as fuel.”

Climate change does not simply mean warmer winters, and yes it very much is a bad thing.

#127 acdel on 06.18.18 at 9:32 pm

To my previous comment, I have to correct myself by saying that the spitting of the atom did not accomplish anything but bad results is untrue, in the medicinal field it has done wonders, my wish that it was developed for only that field, ok, good night dogs…

#128 baloney Sandwitch on 06.18.18 at 9:32 pm

I am totally with you Garth – human induced climate change is real, however given the “curse of the commons” there is nothing much we can do about it. Unless we can colonize another planet our species will go extinct in this millenia or revert back to a pre-industrial society.

#129 ShawnG in TO on 06.18.18 at 9:33 pm

good thing trump pulled out of the paris accord, hawaii’s big smoking mountain is producing 15,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide per day, in addition to unknown amount of methane as it burns thru land. that’s equivalent of 900,000+ cars

carbon tax should be voluntary. anyone who is concerned should just add $1000 to their tax bill.

#130 Hiding On the Backstreets on 06.18.18 at 9:35 pm

@ #57, 60 Pete on 06.18.18 at 7:14 pm

I think many here forgot the Smog days of Mike Harris. Everyday was a smog day in summer with many smog days in spring and fall. It was so bad I couldn’t see the CN tower even when I was downtown or northyork. Now I can see the CN tower on the roof at work in Brampton. Ford wants to bring back all that wonderful pollution that will kill thousands of seniors and effect young children and those with asthma. At least corporations can pollute the air we breath. I dont mind breathing in toxic poisons so a corporation can make more money. Who cares if it takes years off our lives? Those greedy corporations will make more money which we will see none of it. Three cheers for the corporate conservative fascists.

Can any of you idiot conservatives explain why we had lots of smog during the Mike Harris days and now we have none? You conservatives like smog a d breathing in pollution?

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The federal Liberals under Chretien were in power during the Mike Harris years. That’s about as sensible an explanation as your mindless word drool.

I guess the fed libs weren’t ‘corporate fascists’?

#131 Westcdn on 06.18.18 at 9:37 pm

My experience has been unless you punch somebody’s nose, behaviour will not change but applies only to males – women have me spinning how to live with them. I figure the best way is to fight fire is with fire thus, find a woman that will protect you – not easy. I suppose you get the wife you deserve but I know women are belittled too often but then… I remember a quote from a Chinese newspaper where a young woman said she would rather be crying in the back of Mercedes than laughing on the back of a motorcycle – kind of crushing for young male plebs. Anyway, partnerships work if egos are not important and you are not lazy.

I see interest inversion where short term rates exceed longer term is imminent. This is not good. I am looking at getting my debt level down since it is forever unless I lie and cheat. I will see what I mortgage rate I get when I renew and what my preferred’s will reset at. I am not a public servant such as doctors and dairy farmers and others who live on the government teat ….

The best advice I can give is to understand a cash flow statement and leverage. Debt to equity matters so when I look at a preferred share, I want my butt protected for taking higher yield. ETF’s don’t charm me but how else do you enter offshore markets at reasonable cost given my limited resources? So far, I am comfortable with Canadian companies operating in foreign jurisdictions as long as management doesn’t get greedy.

Being a shareholder of RRX (Raging River), I don’t get the deal. I figure there is something I can’t see – tax losses? So I stepped in and bought some Baytex after their annihilation – speculation. Let’s see if I get punished which won’t be the first time. I do not adhere to the three monkeys – see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil and something stinks here.

Canadian dollar? There is no reason for me to expect a recovery even with a 0.25 increase in July – those new mortgage rates are going to hurt and I expect no relief even if Canada goes into recession. Some have done well in the currency markets but I advise for every winner there is a loser and losers want revenge.

#132 Smudgekin on 06.18.18 at 9:47 pm

If Ford can play his cards right as premier he could sweep in the federal tories as next prime minister. Sure he’ll put his foot in things – that’s politics eh Garth?

He needs to prove he’s the best choice in 2. men to handle a trade war in Ontario interest while mitigating any fallout with Washington. Then even Quebec might go along with the rest of the country and elect him…

Say who is the current fed Tory leader? The name eludes me.

#133 Ex-Cowtown on 06.18.18 at 9:49 pm

Cheap energy saves lives. Cheap energy = cheap food=no starvation. Places with expensive energy relative to income have poorer life expectancy.

Think of a woman who spends her life walking miles everyday to collect firewood. If she was paid a $15 minimum wage the amount of energy she brought home would cost the equivalent of $500/liter gasoline.
Although she’s Einstein level brilliant and Michaelangelo talented, it’s no wonder she has no time to cure cancer. She wastes her life scrounging for a few outrageously expensive sticks.

Hi energy prices hurt the poor the most. T2 and Leonardo could care less if it costs a few $k more to fuel up the jet. To the single mom struggling an extra $50 in carbon tax is a heartbreaker.

People asking for higher taxes on energy should be ashamed of themselves. It hurts the people they say they most want to protect.

#134 Lawnboy on 06.18.18 at 9:50 pm

@70 crowd-farts
Agreed. It’s a shame that you missed that one huge chance at a start ….on the Rock!

Remember Peter Pekfords Pickle Palace!!!!
Ya …a greenhouse operation for home grown produce.

That puppy said it all about gov make work projects.

LB

#135 Hans on 06.18.18 at 9:52 pm

I don’t care to help one side or the other….however I find it odd that carbon tax funds go towards some interesting items….Toronto Community Housing? To improve insulation in newly built subsidized housing. I guess that reduces the heating requirements, but my guess is that the taxes are a political tool rather than a “save the world” tool. Canadian Tire sells those great LED lightbulbs for $1, amazing except for the fact that the carbon taxes are paying for the other $4 or so that Canadian Tire is using to pad their bottom line. The product list is huge and looks more like a subsidy to help retailers more than a way to reduce energy consumption. Especially when you take the wide view and see that despite a drop in energy consumption, bills continued to rise until the Libs mortgaged our children and grandchildren.

#136 acdel on 06.18.18 at 9:54 pm

#120 Nick

Meanwhile we are all broke, for what?? Has it made an once of difference?? Record amount of flights high in our atmosphere, you fly to Europe?? No stoppage of cars on the road, why, we need to drive to work, groceries are sky high, carbon tax is only going to the rich to become richer. The average are getting sucked dry!
Dam, you are so naive or old and retired and love to preach on all the good fortunes on fossil fuels you had to retire on!!!
But hey, you are welcome to pay more, perhaps for many of the readers here to help them out like a good human being. I really hope you tell all of us on how you have made it without contributing any CO2 and what kind of investments you have made to your lifestyle like the rest of us that makes your comment so valuable? I really hope to hear that you are off the grid, do not fly, do not own a vehicle and are spending your quality time inventing new technologies that will change the world.

I cannot take the hypocrisy any longer, good post Garth, you hit a nerve, I am out!

#137 47% of the time on 06.18.18 at 9:56 pm

#115 Gravy Train – This is correct because got a cook a job instantly at a major hotel. Most people don’t realize that the personnel department or anyone else is off limits to the Head Chef. Told him to walk in the kitchen at 3:00 PM asking to see the Head Chef, and just tell him you need a job. This is the person who hires and fires; orders directly anything needed; and nobody will interfere. This is his downtime when he is most willing to see anyone for a discussion.

#138 OttawaMike on 06.18.18 at 9:58 pm

Stupid humens get what they deserve.

#139 Doug t on 06.18.18 at 10:01 pm

I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be.
We know things are bad — worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’
Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot — I don’t want you to write to your congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad. [shouting] You’ve got to say: ‘I’m a human being, god-dammit! My life has value!’

#140 n1tro on 06.18.18 at 10:08 pm

#92 MF on 06.18.18 at 8:09 pm
79 n1tro on 06.18.18 at 7:4

Usually the people who have problems with police officers are the same people who have problems with authority in general.
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I got no problems with the police. They don’t affect my life in the least other than being issued a ticket here or there for crimes against humanity like parking meter violations and such. I just don’t like overvaluing outputs based on the inputs. Lastly, corruption doesn’t always have to come in the form of money but by all means, pay extra to their salaries out of your share if you like.

#141 Ex-Cowtown on 06.18.18 at 10:12 pm

#138 OttawaMike on 06.18.18 at 9:58 pm
Stupid humens get what they deserve.

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Ever notice that the eco-crowd all hate people? Why is that?

#142 Enjoy Summer Fires all Summer Long in Okanaganr on 06.18.18 at 10:15 pm

The smokanagan. I wonder if we will have 2 months straight of Beijing like smoke smog causing asthma throughout the whole area (south to north).

37c now. We will see. Fires every year.

Not sure moving inland is what rich people do. Look at Cali. If you move inland it is because you are broke and need to find some cheap baron land away from the ocean where it is twice as hot.

Heat is a killer.

#143 Topsy-Turvy on 06.18.18 at 10:18 pm

The only thing matters, I guess, is how fast we escape the Earth. This is what Musk and Bezos doing and Stephen Hawking predicted. Who cares about pollution when no life on the Earth will be even possible?

#144 Doug t on 06.18.18 at 10:22 pm

I forgot something

RATM

#145 For those about to flop... on 06.18.18 at 10:25 pm

The guys a few doors down at howmuch wrote this article a few weeks ago,probably deserves another run out tonight…

M43BC

“Visualizing the Most Expensive Natural Disasters in the Last 40 Years

Hawaii’s Kilauea volcano is now threatening to destroy more homes, forcing the authorities to order a mandatory evacuation for additional neighborhoods. There’s no telling when the volcano will finally stop, but it has already destroyed 82 structures. That means we will have to wait assess the final cost of damages, but it got us thinking about the most expensive natural disasters in American history.

The National Centers for Environmental Information (NOAA) closely tracks severe weather events and natural disasters across the U.S. The dataset runs from 1980 to April 6, 2018, making it one of the most complete and accurate assessments of natural disasters available today. Researchers used the Consumer Price Index (CPI) to adjust the cost of damages, creating a fair apples-to-apples comparison. We illustrated each disaster on a timeline, where the size of the figure represents its total cost.

Top Ten Most Expensive Natural Disasters since 1980
1. Hurricane Katrina: $163.8B in damages, ended in August 2005

2. Hurricane Harvey: $126.3B in damages, ended in August 2017

3. Hurricane Maria: $90.9B in damages, ended in September 2017

4. Hurricane Sandy: $71.5B in damages, ended in October 2012

5. Hurricane Irma: $50.5B in damages, ended in September 2017

6. Andrew: $48.6B in damages, ended in August 1992

7. U.S. Drought/ Heatwave: $43B in damages, ended in August 1988

8. Midwest Flooding: $36.7B in damages, ended in August 1993

9. Hurricane Ike: $35.4B in damages, ended in September 2008

10. U.S. Drought/ Heatwave: $33B in damages, ended in December 2012

Our timeline illustrates how natural disasters have become increasingly expensive over the last 4 decades. In fact, last year they cost Americans a record $306B. Damages from individual events exceeded $10B prior to 2000, with only one event, Hurricane Andrew, coming close to topping $50B. Since the turn of the century, however, Mother Nature has extracted an increasingly higher price from Americans with Hurricane Katrina topping the list at $163.8B in 2005. But that figure isn’t such an extreme outlier any longer as storms have become increasingly costly.

The upward trend in damage is due entirely to hurricanes, but there’s a deeper story going on. Hurricanes have been hitting the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard of North America for centuries, and yes, you can make an argument that recent storms have been more powerful than normal. But the real problem is that Americans have built so many large cities so close to the water without investing in the necessary infrastructure to protect people from disasters. The South is home to a disproportionate share of the country’s fastest growing cities, and we know natural disasters tend to strike the same place time after time. That’s a recipe for very expensive damages.

You can draw a couple more insights from our visualization too. First off, tornadoes are certainly scary events, but they just don’t cause anywhere near as much destruction and property damage as hurricanes. Second, and perhaps more surprising, droughts/heatwaves make it into the top ten most destructive natural disasters. This is no doubt connected to losses suffered on farms in crops and livestock.

The big takeaway here is that if past is prologue, expect there to be several more $50B+ hurricanes in the years ahead. And will we have to add a figure for volcanoes to our timeline if the situation in Hawaii continues to get worse? The Kilauea volcano still has a long way to go, but the costs are already piling up.”

https://howmuch.net/articles/most-expensive-naturals-disasters-in-usa

#146 will on 06.18.18 at 10:33 pm

went out to the west coast for vacation recently. took “The Rupert Rocket” as it is affectionately known by Via Rail employees and riders from Jasper to Prince Rupert. the service manager Ron was excellent – a veritable font of information about the line, it’s history, the crown corporation, and the geography. he has been doing this for 30 years. so i asked him if over the past 30 years he has seen any change in the snow-capped mountains – had he seen any retreat in the glaciers. answer – oh yeah. bigly. nothing like 30, 40 yrs ago. some mountains no snow or ice at all.

as for my own observation, i saw areas near the mountain peaks that looked like they were formerly filled with glaciers that had melted away and left these huge, sort of blank rocky areas. i don’t think they were logging areas. those are all over the place too. anyway that’s what i saw on my trip. still a stunningly awesome trip through the Canadian Rockies.

#147 Look at this Warning on 06.18.18 at 10:34 pm

Like this isn’t significant.

Hey guys, get ready to be smashed by rising rates.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bank-of-canada-calls-on-markets-to-prepare-for-benchmark-changes-1.1094620

#148 mississauga is crashing on 06.18.18 at 10:34 pm

thats a 20% haircut on asking price in mississauga.
https://ibb.co/h0nexy

#149 ALFRED E. NEUMAN on 06.18.18 at 10:36 pm

#139 Doug t on 06.18.18 at 10:01 pm
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Part 2, of Doug’s posted 1976 movie ‘Network’ speech:

“So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window.
Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’
I want you to get up right now. Sit up. Go to your windows. Open them and stick your head out and yell –
‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’
Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!…You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’
Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis.
But first, get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!”

(And we thought the ’70’s worrisome. When the worry-apex was not even close to where it resides nowadays)

#150 Ace Goodheart on 06.18.18 at 10:36 pm

RE: #100 Citizen at Kelowna:

“Also, warm weather helps with growing crops. While C02 is a dirty word because of its misuse in the public debate, it is simply this: plant food. It is a greenhouse gas, guess what grows in a greenhouse? Food!”

Very true.

Oxygen, on the other hand is actually a poisonous gas, the waste product of plant life, consumable by nothing…..incredibly volatile, dangerous and unstable…so humans breathe it.

Go figure…..

#151 Shawn Allen on 06.18.18 at 10:58 pm

World Government

#112 Blacksheep on 06.18.18 at 8:57 pm
Shawn #88,

“World Government is Coming”
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I know this is likely inevitable,

but is this a good, or, bad thing?

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Well, it’s necessary, therefore good. Such as to prevent a rouge nation (like the U.S. under Trump) from destroying the world.

More government comes along with more technology and progress.

#152 domain on 06.18.18 at 11:09 pm

The cult of climate change. Almost as bad and damaging as the radical left’s political correctness ideology. No wonder those two beliefs are often found wrapped-up in the same people.

#153 Kaganovich on 06.18.18 at 11:11 pm

Good post Garth. Looks like the majority of the commentariat are deniers of AGW….wonder if such a position is positively correlated to financial wealth?

#154 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 11:12 pm

@#124 lawn Boy
“Remember Peter Pekfords Pickle Palace!!!!”
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You betcha!
I met Brian Peckford a few years back . He sat down next to me at a coffee shop.
Nice guy.
He’s retired and moved out to the Gulf Islands.
Works as an honorary board member for the “high rollers” in real estate in Van.
Realturds own everyone….thats why nothing changes

#155 Opportunity on 06.18.18 at 11:13 pm

Regardless of climate change (it will change btw) renewable energy is just good business.

Solar, wind, hydro, there is money to be made.

And the first $1T market cap company?

Not AAPL, not GOOG, not MSFT.

The first trillionaire corp will be the company that solves hydrogen fusion. There is a small one attempting just this, in Burnaby btw. Small odds, but still…

#156 Brett on 06.18.18 at 11:14 pm

Pathetic post. This guy thinks politicians can change the weather.

#157 Pete on 06.18.18 at 11:27 pm

Climate change is not fake news, but Canada’s contribution to it is insignificant either way. 30M people are a mosquito compared to the elephants in the east producing mega GH gasses. Let’s be realistic.

#158 Oft deleted much maligned stock.picker on 06.18.18 at 11:35 pm

Climate wacko’s and leftist nut jobs are in denial..a denial of the truth. Climate has been changing in for billions of years. Earth has been an aqua planet…a lava planet….a desert planet…a planenet with rapidly shifting continents banging into one another….a place where scary reptiles thrived in a tropical paradise. Einstien postulated that the plenet has shifted on it’s axis more than once. But none of that happened after I gassed up my Escalade.

Please….hopefully for the last time….I beg you to read the origin documents that invented industrial output taxation as a means to fund wealth distribution to the third world. The two terms in the origin documents have changed but the game is the same. The Brundtland Commission spells it out….although industry output was called out for global cooling…but when that didn’t fly it was changed to global warming…..but when that didn’t take it was again changed to climate change because of it’s nebulous catch all formulation. Wealth distribution was first called sustainable development….and it’s supposed to make the planet more fair….but nothing about the tax was ever to do with climate…..that came later when third world countries in the UN were told about a sudden flood of riches if they backed it in committee.

None of the climate change leaders believe in the bunk they’re selling. They’ve been outed as frauds as well as every scintilla of false data that’s been misrepresented….like doom and gloom calls for extinct polar bears etc. And guess what..among ..the origin signatories were Pierre Trudeau ( who had his own Gerald Butts…a thug named Maurice Strong) . So if you wonder why Junior is on this look no further than his zany drag queen dad.

Look at the University of East Anglia email dump where in the main players outed themselves as frauds and climate change a con. It’s always been about money. The Pope loves the scam because it increases the ability of Catholic charities to hand out and money on the front steps of his collosal churches. Fraud…fraud…fraud.

Read the origin documents….understand that billions have been spent on propaganda….realize that thousands of proxy orgs grow rich on grants and subsidies…think about the billions that carpet baggers like Al Gore and a new army of windmill hucksters have made from ignorance.

#159 IHCTD9 on 06.18.18 at 11:39 pm

I was watching a documentary on super volcanoes a while back. They were talking about Krakatoa when they interviewed this scientist that was a leader on interpreting ice cores. He had cores from bores miles deep, 100’s of thousands of years worth of Climate history preserved in ice. He showed them the core from the late 1800’s which contained the volcanic ash deposited in the arctic snow by Krakatoa, and the global atmospheric and climate effects that followed, and how long they lasted for. This was then tied to written historic record with perfect harmony.

He went on to talk about all the things ice cores can tell us. One I took note of, was the temperature swings in between ice ages – mini ice ages. These last only a couple hundred years, and he can pick them out, and attach them to written incidents in history like failed crops, the Thames freezing up, and other out of the ordinary climate events. He said the climate seems steady and solid to us, but it really not. It swings wildly, and naturally, and has always done this. It’s all there in the ice cores. These are essentially a written record of climate history going back as far as you can drill.

The earth’s orbit changes from round to elliptical every 100 K years or so. The intensity of the sun changes in an 11 year cycle. Volcanic activity, axial tilt changes, oceanic current changes all have caused glacial advance and retreat in the past. Even the recent past.

The forces at work are on a cosmic scale, they are multiple, and are quite (bloody obviously) out of our control. The idea that carbon emissions are the be-all, end-all de facto metric determining climate temperatures is a joke. The idea that taxing folks will have any affect on any climate metric is also a king sized piece of stand up comedy. How much taxes needed to effect earth’s orbit?

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans. If we could effect the output of the sun, or the earth’s orbit, there’d be a tax for that too.

#160 Flat Earth Society on 06.18.18 at 11:40 pm

#125 acdel

“Flat Earth???? Seriously????”

acdel, I will forgive you for having missed the comments I made explaining what the Flat Earth Society is and why we formed it. Is the earth flat???? No. Are there people who think it is flat? Yes. Are there people who can be convinced the earth is flat by looking at the distortions that occur when you try and transpose a 3 dimensional surface to 2 dimensions using Google Maps? Yes. Are there people who think the Bible is a science text book? Yes, although surprisingly not most mainstream churches. Or mission was to identify these people and contain them away from mainstream conversations on the internet. The last thing we need is for them to be commenting on matters of real importance, or even the ones discussed on Garth’s website, so we created a whole world on YouTube to occupy them. The are now fully in their own self contain universe. And the best part? It’s self funding! It’s amazing how many “clicks” we get, especially if we use a little “click bait” in the titles. “NASA Lies!” was a good one. All of the moon landing hoax videos we did are also great for views. We did this as a public service but it has become a living. A rather profitable one at that. Although now we face a lot of competition from other content providers that actually believe it, but that’s ok it still helps ring-fence the morons.

#143 Topsy-Turvy

What Musk and Bezos are doing is wasting a lot of tax payer money and enriching themselves. They are the evil version of the Flat Earth Society. They are using similar deceptions such as our own only not for good but to enrich themselves. Take Musk’s electric car with the “BBQ” function for example. Where is the electricity going to come from? Well, coal. It solves nothing. In terms of reducing CO2 emissions so far we’ve got a lot further by making smaller cars with more efficient engines than making electric race cars that are powered by coal is ever going to.

Steven Hawking, bless his soul, was working for us when he slipped the lines about “escaping the planet” into the conversation. It was a secretly veiled message to the brights, but also useful for identifying the “not so brights”. There is no where else to go. Biosphere 2 has already proven that an enclosed 2 acre greenhouse here on earth cannot sustain 8 people for 2 years without outside intervention. And that’s on earth! How are you going to even duplicate the structure on Mars, which gets a lot less sun and has no resources? It’s all talk.

As for finding other planets in space and then travelling to them, that was all about finding out how much damage Science Fiction has done to human psychology. I have no doubt that there may be millions of planets in the galaxy that either have or could have life. But they are a very, very, very long was away. It’s not like going to the moon. The nearest star to our own is 25 light years away. That means it would take 25 years to get there if you could travel at the speed of light. And then you have to hope there is a suitable planet there when you arrive. Can yo imagine packing for a 25 year camping trip? And then putting all those supplies in space? It can’t be done. A nuclear submarine can only stay submerged for a year before they run out of food, and they have the ability to make their own fresh water and oxygen from the seawater using power from the nuclear reactor.

In short, a lot of the memes running around out there are “word salads”, which means you mix a bunch of words together and then say it’s something meaningful. “Global warming”, “escaping the earth”, “green energy”, “humanitarian military intervention”, “preemptive defense”, “trickle down economics”, “supply side economics”, “fractional reserve banking”, “economic policy”, and “free trade agreements” are just a few of the many examples. They are just words stuck together that form a concept in the mind that has no real world equivalent. Everyone knows what a rock is. But a free trade agreement? If trade were free, you wouldn’t need an agreement.

This is the sort of thing we monitor and try and contain here at the Flat Earth society.

#161 Yorkville Renter on 06.18.18 at 11:47 pm

here’s how I look at it…

whether or not global warming is all man or not, why is it so bad to help the environment as best as we can?

I don’t shit where I eat and we all live in the same place so enabling a 0 carbon (and plastic) footprint is fine by me.

it’s like a new Sin tax and we’re all addicted.

#162 Citizen at Kelowna on 06.19.18 at 12:14 am

#126 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 9:31 pm

I’m not clear on how the ferociousness of a hurricane is warrant to suspend the entire human project and economy to try to temper it (theoretically).

You’re feeding off some odd data if you think 1. Anthropogenic Climate Change is real; 2. That it is *on whole* a bad thing.

You have not convinced anyone with discernment that a gusty hurricane proves anything. Like we haven’t had them before? Not buying it.

I appreciate the dialogue, but I’m looking for more meat.

Be well.

#163 Nick on 06.19.18 at 12:24 am

To add to my comment. I like the idea of a carbon tax as it would be effective in changing energy consumption behaviour, which is the point. Cap and trade is a waste of money and effort. Anyone who is low income could get a tax rebate to offset the impact since a few people seem to believe a carbon tax would severely hurt those in need. We have it extremely good here in North America. I think we should manage our finite resources better and cutting comsumption thru higher prices would be a good thing. Energy is to cheap here. Natural gas is almost free and here in Alberta they want to cap my electricity rate as a “freebie” from the NDP.

#164 Marcus on 06.19.18 at 12:26 am

Canada should be more concerned about the onset of the Grand Solar Minimum 2 years ago. Earlier fall and later spring with colder winters play havoc with agriculture and energy costs. This Solar minimum will peak around 2030. I can’t believe people are still yammering on about rising sea levels. LOL! Antarctica is growing a massive amount of ice and snow. It’s been snowing in the Sahara and Morocco for two seasons now. Please wake up.

#165 Drill Baby Drill on 06.19.18 at 12:31 am

Ok enough already with the chicken little act. Yes the climate is changing but so what!! It has always changed. If there is anything more variable than thermodynamics then I do not know what is. Yes some of this climate variance is caused by humans but so is the solar cycle and volcanoes. The issue that the so called climate change deniers such as myself and the Trumpians have is that the issue is politicised and we have one world government wanabies with their hands out looking for more TAXES.!!! Canada cannot afford more taxes. Canada puts out 1.6% of the global warming emissions yet the biggest polluters ie: USA (25%), China (40%), India, Middle East do not have to commit to any improvements. So we have countries like Belgium ( one of the smallest and warmest countries in the world) pontificating how Canada must reduce their carbon footprint. Enough said.

#166 NoName on 06.19.18 at 12:31 am

#143 Topsy-Turvy on 06.18.18 at 10:18 pm
The only thing matters, I guess, is how fast we escape the Earth. This is what Musk and Bezos doing and Stephen Hawking predicted. Who cares about pollution when no life on the Earth will be even possible?

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Unless we are to figure it out how not to loose calcium during space flight, and other side effects of low or no gravity. We are not going anywhere, for very long time.

What’s very interesting is that hard drives failure rate in space is huge, ok solid state hd will/is fix that, but what else is there that we didn’t think of it yet.

Watch this.
https://youtu.be/05oOst9kZXQ

#167 Mike on 06.19.18 at 12:33 am

Dan Pena is a billionaire who answers your question on “climate change”:

https://youtu.be/NjlC02NsIt0?t=54s

#168 SI2K on 06.19.18 at 12:38 am

We’ve taken to calling everything west of the Niagara escarpment ‘Otisburg’.

#169 Deano on 06.19.18 at 12:41 am

It’s really funny when you hear the weather forecaster and they say the hottest day was in so so in 1914 or the coldest day was in so so in 1916. They weren’t talking about climate change back then. This is become a money making fantasy and it is the biggest hoax in history.
With the introduction of clean energy like solar wind and the use of more efficient appliances and lighting we are moving in the right direction. But when countries like China and India are producing so much of the pollution problems yet the United Nations and other countries don’t impose stricter fines or conditions on them. The common regular person really can’t take climate change seriously. And this is trumps theory on why he pulled out of the climate change deal. It’s just another burden and tax on the regular common person in the Western world. Why should we Pay more taxes went other countries are allowed to pollute all in the name of development.

#170 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 12:42 am

By the way, Alberta produces 500% more greenhouse gas emissions than does BC, according to the federal government.

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Obviously because Alberta produces the energy that is consumed by the rest of Canada (like BC) and the world.
If Alberta did not produce it or sell it, it would be produced and sold by Russia or Saudi Arabia, or the US etc.
And then rest of Canada , including BC, would happily pay for it.

Because energy is the reason Canada actually can exist, and have a first world standard of living, and that we are not living in sod huts, dying from scurvey or starvation, and are not having to crap in a pit.

Visiting the BC Gulf islands last year, heading out on a small ferry in the morning, was shocked at the grey haze sitting over then town near the ferry.
What was it?
Well it was all of the environmentally conscientious hydrocarbon haters , heating their homes with their wood stoves.
Yeah, that natural gas is a world killer, but those wood stoves are ok.

#171 Jon B on 06.19.18 at 12:53 am

Oh come on, why are you giving ink to climate change fear mongers? This issue is lucrative for governments as it makes a great excuse to invent new taxes based on fear and guilt. If Miami and all its real estate will be under water by the next century, then there’s plenty of time to transition that population and other regions that might be affected in a similar way. History has shown human mass migration in the past for all sorts of reasons.

#172 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.19.18 at 12:57 am

Floppy,
Your silly, flaky pink pollen post has finally been surpassed by a the following:
http://www.ovlix.com/ca/for-sale/British-Columbia

#173 protea on 06.19.18 at 12:59 am

5.mj on 06.18.18 at 5:37 pm
my two cents. I don’t know if climate change is real or fake. I think Canada is much better than most countries. I don’t feel we should be taxed when it does nothing but take our money. I feel it’s just a tax grab. If climate change is real, then nothing will change if China and India aren’t on board.

Exactly my sentiments. China and India have to get on board for us to take this subject seriously.

#174 NoOneOfConsequence on 06.19.18 at 1:12 am

“Scientists” extrapolate charts showing temperature rise over three decades then conclude that 6 feet of ocean rise is imminent.

Oddly enough, I have a gold chart over that same period that extrapolates to $10,000 per oz is imminent.

You accept one but not the other? Why? Bias?

It’s all chart porn – bah.

The problem is man is lazy and always expects mom to pickup after them.

Well, mother nature can’t clean it up anymore…too many of us.

Time to pick up after ourselves…or maybe stop making such a damn mess.

#175 Smoking Man on 06.19.18 at 1:47 am

The amount of mind fking out there is astonishing to an empty bottle truth seaker.

I’m right, I’m left. You’re all up side down if you ask me.

Polarization is getting stronger. No middle anymore. Chose a side take the ride.

Lie for your team. Winning at all costs is a new game. Logic stomped in the face with the boot of emotion.

You all deserve what’s coming. When you can’t see the truth anymore. You are doomed.

Those face book posts of Canadians boycotting USA, T2 tossed you all under the bus for power to make sure you bastards go back to the stone age. Recipe written by Soros for profit. and delivered by Butts who is worth 25 million. A coal miners son who has never had a private sector gig.

Gravy Train. Means nothing to me that you were a honour student with awards. Just means you are good at following the rules with your tongue stuck up the machines ass.

Nothing to brag about.

#176 Fake News Again on 06.19.18 at 1:55 am

BANNED

#177 Midnights on 06.19.18 at 1:58 am

Martin Armstrong
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/climate-hunt-for-taxes/

#178 Myra Andrews on 06.19.18 at 2:25 am

Greater Vancouver Stats from realtor Paul Boenisch

June 18 New 285 Sold 149 TI: 12 699

June 15 New 179 Sold 140 TI: 12,637
June 14 New 306 Sold 104 TI: 12,679
June 13 New 278 Sold 134 TI: 12,533
June 12 New 318 Sold 106 TI: 12,477
June 11 New 372 Sold 131 TI: 12,368

June 8 New 202 Sold 108 TI: 12,271
June 7 New 232 Sold 117 TI: 12,226
June 6 New 295 Sold 156 TI: 12,154
June 5 New 359 Sold 101 TI: 12,105
June 4 New 376 Sold 117 TI: 11,942

June 1 New 224 Sold 105 TI: 11,817

Inventory at the end of:
May- 11,975
April- 10,459
March- 9,032
Feb- 8,211

#179 some guy out west on 06.19.18 at 2:26 am

Why it’s reasonable to conclude it /is/ probably us :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#/media/File:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr.png

One should also know that the average temperature on Venus, with a thick CO2 atmosphere, is 462 C.

#180 Bloke in the UK on 06.19.18 at 2:28 am

Climate Change: Some Historical Perspective

Well worth a read.

#181 Chris on 06.19.18 at 2:54 am

“Both sides claim science is on their side.” I was surprised to see you, an intelligent man with abs of steel, write this false equivalence. The vast majority of climate scientists (97%, apparently), believe that humans are the prime factor in climate change. For you to give the impression that it is more like 50/50 is, as I said, surprising. And somewhat depressing.

I said both sides claim it. They do. Correct statement. – Garth

#182 Howard on 06.19.18 at 5:19 am

#121 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 9:11 pm

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Our point is that no one is impressed by your 14% mortgage on a cheap house. Loads of people would love 14% rates on houses 65% cheaper.
BTW: I could qualify at any interest in rate with a 100% down payment if I wanted to own a crap asset. Punk ass.
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A 1,000,000 mortgage today at 3.5% would be say $35,000.
A 65% less mortgage today of 350k at 14% would be say $49,000. Cost you more.
Good luck Einstein….BTW, change the Depenz once in a while and your shorts won’t be so soggy.

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You are financially illiterate.

You just calculated the interest without considering the monstrously inflated principle in the $1million scenario. Hello?? Anyone home in there??

Let’s say someone has $100K down payment to spend on a home.

On a $1million house, that leaves a $900K mortgage.
On a $350K house, that leaves a $250K mortgage.

On a 25-year mortgage, the $900K at 3.5% will cost around $4500/month after compounding.

On a $250K mortgage at 14%, the same monthly payment of $4500/month would only take around 8 years to pay off, not 25.

Yes, I would gladly take a 14% mortgage on a 350,000 house and pay it off in 8 years vs. a 3.5% mortgage on a $1million house that leaves me indebted for a quarter of a century.

#183 Wrk.dover on 06.19.18 at 7:05 am

#158 IHCTD9 on 06.18.18 at 11:39 pm

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans

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Bear in mind, that 2/3 of humans live on a couple of dollars/day or less, and you, yourself were here last week bragging about your annual energy bill being something like thirteen thousand dollars alone!!!!

Yeah Dude, you can read and learn things, but you don’t slow it down long enough to let it sink in. Seven billion IHCTD9 people habitating Earth wouldn’t work out for long.

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans

Don’t hold a grudge on this messenger. I’m not trying to insult or hurt feelings. My aim is to enlighten the thought process.

You are the message. Intervention needed.

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans

Just WOW!

#184 Ace Goodheart on 06.19.18 at 7:20 am

#178 Some Guy Out West:

“One should also know that the average temperature on Venus, with a thick CO2 atmosphere, is 462 C.”

Venus is much closer to the sun. The average temperature on Mercury is 427 C, however at night it gets down to minus 180 C. Mercury doesn’t have much of an atmosphere.

Venus’s atmosphere is mostly CO2. Earth’s atmosphere is mostly Nitrogen (80% Nitrogen). There are “trace amounts (ie, less than 1%) of CO2 in the Earth’s atmosphere.

Venus’s atmosphere is about 99% CO2.

So arguing that Earth will become like Venus, is really kind of “out there”. We would have to go from less than 1% CO2 to having our entire atmosphere composed of the stuff.

Global warming is a Liberal Socialist “cause” and it has been used to vacuum billions of dollars out of our pockets and into the wallets of well connected Liberal Socialist insiders.

#185 SimplyPut7 on 06.19.18 at 7:45 am

Garth, you sound like the NDP.

The government is not as creative as business owners. Businesses should be encouraged to find solutions to reducing carbon emissions rather than the government ask for more money from them.

1. A tax credit would be better than demanding a carbon tax that will continue to increase and then be wasted by the government.
* A tax credit would allow people to buy electric cars and make Canada as competitive as Norway when it comes the number of electric cars driven in this country.
https://www.thelocal.no/20180531/global-electric-car-sales-up-in-2017-norway-has-highest-market-share-iea
* A tax credit would allow more people to afford electric bicycles (pedelec, not the e-scooter or e-motorcycle) which will let people go farther and ride their bikes more as they get older and reduce their dependence on cars in major cities
https://www.bike-eu.com/sales-trends/nieuws/2017/08/e-bike-import-continues-to-show-huge-growth-10131018
* A tax credit would also encourage business and residential households to use more solar and wind energy, increasing their reliance on renewable energy sources and stopping hydro from becoming a major expense in household budgets or business operating costs.

2. Social media makes everything seem like it happens more often than it appears. Other than the Artic melting which NASA has shown Antarctica does take some of the melting sea water https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_WWXGGWZBE , if something only happens every 100 years, it probably means that area of the world has not seen that type of devastation in a 100 years.

3. The one area the government can be controlling of and enforce is stopping builders from creating new homes in areas that are prone to flooding like in some counties in Houston Texas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBG6gTcW2_0 and upgrade infrastructure to prevent levees from breaking like they did during Hurrican Katrina in New Orleans. Then when the hundred year flood or hurricane or other natural disaster hits, the government won’t quickly blame climate change and instead take ownership of their responsibility to their citizens like the Netherlands do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6tbIJAuYk

#186 Trumpocalypse2018 on 06.19.18 at 7:52 am

GLOBAL MARKETS COLLAPSING RIGHT NOW !!!!!

Everywhere is headed down. First trade fears, then trade wars, then WAR.

The Summer of Hell begins in 48 hours.

PREPARE.

#187 CJBob on 06.19.18 at 8:07 am

the American government pulled out of the Paris Accord on climate change…
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Technically this is not true.

In June 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump announced his intention to withdraw the United States from the agreement. Under the agreement, the earliest effective date of withdrawal for the U.S. is November 2020, shortly before the end of President Trump’s current term (assuming he makes it that long).

#188 Dave Ahem on 06.19.18 at 8:10 am

The US left the Paris climate accord for 2 main reasons:
1) They were subjected to restrictions that China and India won’t be subject to until 2030 giving them 13 years to steal jobs from America.
2) The billion dollars a year that America was paying into the green fund was going primarily to places like Nigeria and Syria, helping to fund brutal, repressive dictatorships and not actually doing anything to reduce Greenhouse gases.

The truth is the Paris accord did almost nothing to reduce carbon emissions, it just moved them from North America to the far east and cost America billions to help finance terrorism.

Thanks for the Fox talking points. – Garth

#189 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.19.18 at 8:19 am

@#158 IHCTD9

There is an excellent book called : The Year Without Summer 1816

Documents social, political, economic, financial ,military changes all over the world after the volcanic eruption.
Massive crop failures, food shortages, wars, etc
All caused by one volcano popping its cork.

And when one thinks that most of the planet were agrarian subsistance farmers unlike todays mostly urban city dwellers……
One shudders to think what people would revert to if the gas stopped flowing, the power went out, and the store shelves were empty……for months.

#190 dharma bum on 06.19.18 at 8:23 am

Fear of Climate Change = Recency Bias

Trust me, everything is gonna be all right.

Carry on. Live your life the way you want to.

Ignore the fear mongers.

Don’t believe me? Check back in 3 billion years, and you’ll see.

#191 Tater on 06.19.18 at 8:24 am

#121 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 9:11 pm
#61 SoggyShorts on 06.18.18 at 7:16 pm
#85 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.17.18 at 11:41 pm
#15 SoggyShorts
#40 Terrie Rolph
#46 georgist

My first house was 5 and a bit times earnings. It was a smallish fixer upper. I had 20% down and qualified for a 14% mortgage. I would like to see your punk ass qualify at 8% and pay and actual 6% mortgage for the next whatever number of years you have left. Cheers.
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Our point is that no one is impressed by your 14% mortgage on a cheap house. Loads of people would love 14% rates on houses 65% cheaper.
BTW: I could qualify at any interest in rate with a 100% down payment if I wanted to own a crap asset. Punk ass.
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A 1,000,000 mortgage today at 3.5% would be say $35,000.
A 65% less mortgage today of 350k at 14% would be say $49,000. Cost you more.
Good luck Einstein….BTW, change the Depenz once in a while and your shorts won’t be so soggy.
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If you’re going to make an argument with numbers, you should know how to do math.

A 1mio mortgage at 3.5% has a payment of about 5k per month. 350K at 14% is about 4100.

#192 NoName on 06.19.18 at 8:35 am

187 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.19.18 at 8:19 am

One shudders to think what people would revert to if the gas stopped flowing, the power went out, and the store shelves were empty……for months.

I know exactly how it play out, did I ever mentioned how my mom runned out of her medication during the war. Not a pleasant sight, also didn’t help that we running low on food to…

#193 David on 06.19.18 at 8:35 am

Turning into a northern Al Gore Garth? “Climate Change” is just a cover for regulatory and tax oppression and feeling righteous and smug. That’s why it’s the official religion of the left. You must know this.
Climate is always changing. It used to be called “global warming” but we all know that there has been no warming for the last 30 years. Climate change science is an industry that runs on the fuel of alarmism and grant money. Why should Canada hobble itself for something that is questionable at best and that we have no impact upon? We could shut down all industry in Canada and make no difference at all in emissions.

My post was reasonably balanced and not judgmental. The climate change deniers here sound angry, spiteful and almost always resort to ad hominem arguments to bully and belittle those who have an opposite view. It vastly weakens the argument. – Garth

#194 Howard on 06.19.18 at 8:51 am

#190 Tater on 06.19.18 at 8:24 am

#121 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 06.18.18 at 9:11 pm

If you’re going to make an argument with numbers, you should know how to do math.

A 1mio mortgage at 3.5% has a payment of about 5k per month. 350K at 14% is about 4100.

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Exactly, for a 25-yr amortization. He seemed to forget that the PRINCIPLE has to be paid back as well.

#195 marwin on 06.19.18 at 9:06 am

The west coast is doomed anyway: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

sooner or later

#196 Capitalist on 06.19.18 at 9:08 am

Anyone who really worries about climate change and massive flooding, etc, will put their money where their mouth is. Otherwise it’s just hot air as usual.

Extremely confident the human race can handle this one for the most part. Solar power prices are dropping massively every year. Even China has cancelled over 100 coal plants and is moving towards renewable energy.

#197 Kaganovich on 06.19.18 at 9:23 am

Yikes, glad you broached the subject of AGW Garth, it’s now clear that the comment section of this blog is overrun with illusory ideas about simple physics…it seems that not only are we all armchair macro economists, but armchair paleoclimatologists as well lol…regardless it’s hard to hold a position contrary to simple physics. Most businessmen would agree I assume. https://monthlyreview.org/2018/05/01/the-physics-of-capitalism/

#198 Ace Goodheart on 06.19.18 at 9:32 am

Re: “My post was reasonably balanced and not judgmental. The climate change deniers here sound angry, spiteful and almost always resort to ad hominem arguments to bully and belittle those who have an opposite view. It vastly weakens the argument. – Garth”

It was that.

I think the problem that “climate change deniers” have is that they have been beat down too much by the climate change promoters. I mean, they are called “climate change deniers” for cripes sake. Isn’t that kind of like a loaded term?

It’s like the old loaded question “so, are you still beating your wife?” The term “climate change denier” kind of puts it out there that climate change is actually happening and people are denying it.

I’ve lived with the “global warming” group for their entire existence. I’ve watched what they do. You can’t verify their data, ever. I have tried. I have actually gone as far as to contact some of the scientists who they claim support them, only to find that these people were just giving an opinion on the supposed opinions of other people, who could not be found for comment.

I have watched government after government use climate change as an excuse to raise taxes. The Libs in Ontario raised my natural gas bill, to “fight climate change”. What did they think I was going to do, stop heating my house? Start burning wood from the backyard? Use electricity for heat (friggin expensive and not that environmentally friendly when you look at how it is generated in Ontario).

They taxed gasoline. Now we all pay $1.30 per litre. Did people stop driving their cars and walk everywhere? Do we have a choice? Should we all go out and try to order a Tesla model 3 (3 year waitlist) or go try to buy a Chevy Bolt or an E-Golf (also long wait lists)? Should we just dump our gasoline cars and spend 40K on a brand new electric car that we have to wait two years to get possession of? Just not drive to work anymore? Try to use Ontario’s wonderful public transit systems (that is me being ironic) to get where we need to go? Sit in a subway tunnel as the TTC is delayed again (like it is every week) or take a bus that takes three hours to get down the street?

All of the evidence I have read seems to suggest that the Earth is entering a cooling period, and that our warm interglacial period is coming to an end. This seems to match up with what is happening in Europe (very cold winters) and also with evidence I have read dealing with sunspots.

I know the climate changers will point out that glaciers are melting in Greenland and Antarctica. The evidence for this is just so incredibly weak though. I tried to believe in it. But if you do your reading and your research, you have to come to the conclusion that it is not possible to tell whether or not these ice caps are melting, or getting larger.

There is so little opportunity to actually study what is happening in Antarctica. You can’t get a boat anywhere near most of these glaciers. The conditions don’t allow for it. They are relying on satellite pics and isolated data from when they have actually been able to approach a glacial grounding point, which happens very rarely due to the weather conditions and the extreme and real danger of trying to navigate hundreds of kilometers inland, through partially frozen sea ice, to actually get anywhere near a glacial grounding point.

It is unfortunate that the Liberal left have decided to use the possibility of “global warming” to fleece us all. It is not, however unusual. We have been fleeced by these people before, for various reasons at various times. They always do it the same way. Find a cause, promote the crap out of it, and they introduce taxes to “fight” whatever they say is happening. And we all pay more.

All of the billions of dollars that have gone towards taxing the crap out of us, to “fight” climate change, haven’t really had any effect.

And the world does not appear to be heating up, but rather cooling down.

Then they use arguments like “well, look what happened to Venus”, a planet that has an atmosphere that is 99% CO2, versus Earth, that has less than 1% CO2 in its atmosphere.

People, as usual, have to do their own research on this and come to their own conclusions.

#199 Michael Diehl on 06.19.18 at 9:36 am

Always surprised by the “climate was always changing” Argument. The principal difference now is the velocity of change. Please have a lock at https://xkcd.com/1732/.

“Natural” climate change happens on a geological timescale. Now it is happening within human lifetimes.

#200 KLNR on 06.19.18 at 9:42 am

My post was reasonably balanced and not judgmental. The climate change deniers here sound angry, spiteful and almost always resort to ad hominem arguments to bully and belittle those who have an opposite view. It vastly weakens the argument. – Garth

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So true Garth. This could be applied to all the left/right nutters on here lol.

#201 Marcus on 06.19.18 at 9:53 am

Australia just got hit with a massive snow storm/blizzard. Meteorologists predict this will be their coldest winter in recorded history. Snow in the Sahara and in Morocco multiple times in the past two years. Arctic ice expansion for past two seasons. Massive hail in India a couple months ago that killed thousands of animals and severely injured dozens of people. Get ready for a change in the climate to the colder side. Crops are already under stress with less protein content.

#202 For those about to flop... on 06.19.18 at 9:53 am

#171 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.19.18 at 12:57 am
Floppy,
Your silly, flaky pink pollen post has finally been surpassed by a the following:
http://www.ovlix.com/ca/for-sale/British-Columbia

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Nothing can compete with my Pink Posts.

They are totally unique.

Besides Pink Pollen is almost done for another season and then we move onto Pink Lemonade Stand sightings for its sophomore year.

Since Fake News Again got banned in our Greaterfool soccer pool ,I will give you Spain.

You also are a pain…

M43BC

#203 NoName on 06.19.18 at 9:57 am

Few years back I was doing steady graveyard shift and I came across Emory university, scare the mouse $#!7l3$, DNA study, and how during study, DAD mouse DNA changed and passed information to its offspring. That blew my mind, or what ever was left of it.

Than month ago I come across something similar, that to some degree applys to humans to.

So it will take couple of generations before this fiasco with repurposed wolly world settles down. Also those studys might shed some light on our realestate fetish.

Mouse
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fearful-memories-passed-down/

Humans
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/05/26/how-stress-echoes-down-the-generations

#204 conan on 06.19.18 at 10:04 am

The Summer of Hell begins in 48 hours prepare!- Trumpocalypse

Are you talking about the Ottawa Senators NHL team?

Its all some elaborate code with you.

#205 CJBob on 06.19.18 at 10:19 am

#63 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.18.18 at 7:17 pm

The three beaurocrats to one Nurse, Teacher, Fireman, etc. that endlessly push paper back and forth …..back and forth…..back and forth.
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Thanks for that excellent analysis. Where, exactly, did you come up with the 3:1 ratio? I’m sure you have some basis for this. You won’t just make that number up because that would reduce the validity of your argument.

Also what specific pieces of paper are they pushing? I called a city inspector because a neighbour was building a huge balcony without a permit. They stopped him from building it, it would have been out of code, a huge eyesore and possibly unsafe if there was no inspection. Does this count as pushing paper?

Auditing taxes, does that count?

#206 Howard on 06.19.18 at 10:27 am

#198 Michael Diehl on 06.19.18 at 9:36 am

Always surprised by the “climate was always changing” Argument. The principal difference now is the velocity of change. Please have a lock at https://xkcd.com/1732/.

“Natural” climate change happens on a geological timescale. Now it is happening within human lifetimes.

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Europe flipped from the Medieval Warm Period from roughly 1000-1250 to the Little Ice Age from 1400-1700.

Not instantaneous but hardly “geological timescale”.

#207 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 10:31 am

The climate change deniers here sound angry, spiteful and almost always resort to ad hominem arguments to bully and belittle those who have an opposite view. It vastly weakens the argument. – Garth

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Your comments do betray your position Garth.
The term ‘climate change deniers’ is term used by the believers to shut down debate and discussion.

Most comments are from are those who question the science, and those who question the response, and those who question the priority. Not many ad hominems from what I read.

But pretty much everyone on the blog concedes that climate does change. There is very strong scientific evidence that much of North America was covered by 100 foot ice sheets not that long ago.
(But even with this evidence, there are very few scientists claiming that they can predict when the ‘next’ ice age will occur, unlike climate change scientists and Al Gore who seem to know that sea level will rise in the next 100 years)

The question of science, despite the belief of the Climate change enthusiasts, is never settled. Some of the science in support makes sense, but much of the rebuttal work has strong validity.
Whatever the case, what is true is that science is not based on consensus, (or David Suzuki’s musings) it is based upon scientific method.
(observation, Hypothesis, experiment, data analysis, conclusion)

Climate change is a valid theory, but the experiments and models surrounding it have proven wildly inaccurate, and recent events have shown the data to be horribly manipulated to support a conclusion.
And the ‘scientific gurus’ like Gore and Suzuki and DeCaprio spouting off dire predictions that never come true, (the world’s new religious zealots) do not help the cause.

So the science must be questioned, and to call those who do, as climate change deniers, is to try to shut down rational debate on a complex issue.
Much like calling those who do not believe in free and open borders, as racist and xenophobes. But i digress.

Secondly is the response.
Paris accord was a great party for the climate change supporters.
It was also a total waste of time in that it refused to acknowledge that the worst polluters, (China and India) needed to be held accountable.
It did decide that USA should (once again) fund the whole initiative. Hence Trump telling them to suck air.

Carbon taxes are a massive redistribution of wealth and do nothing to address the issue. And Canada, which is in effect a carbon sink with all its vast forests (this is actual science that gets conveniently ignored), is doing nothing but hurting its energy producing regions through its absurd policies.

If you want intelligent people, who support fact based and logic based policies, to get on side, then don’t implement policies that in fact and action do nothing to address the described problem.
Don’t implement polices that have no basis in fact or logic, but are based solely upon political and social ideology, and emotional argument.

Killing pipelines does not cut CO2 emissions.
Taxing the energy that heats my home gives the left wing governments more slush fund to implement their absurd social agenda, but it does not cut CO2 emissions.
Yes,it is true that in Ontario last winter, that some people had to decide whether to heat their homes, or pay the rent and maybe they decided to freeze in the dark. Carbon policy at its finest. Is that the kind of Canada we should look forward to?

Carbon pricing may be able to change behavior, but it should be revenue neutral, You want to charge me more for carbon? Fine, reduce my taxes.
But that does not happen, because governments cannot wean themselves from the new rich money teat that provide new sources of tax wealth.

The day that Canadian Liberal government applies upstream and downstream emissions to ‘every’ project that happens in Canada (new vehicle plants in Ontario, new concrete plants in Quebec, Bombardier – like I mean everything) is the day that there may be some respect from this guy.
Of course nothing will ever be built in Canada again, but at least one could argue that Liberal policy was evenly applied to all regions, and not just a way to screw with the energy producing regions, while propping up Liberal votes in the east, and virtue signalling to the world how good and wonderful Canada and T2 is.

Finally, is the priority.
Billions of people are hungry and thirsty and crap in a field.
Millions die daily from starvation and disease.
And we spend all our efforts on climate change.

The irony of it all is that those who are so sure of Climate Change do so with a religious fervor. Science is the new religion. All the while disrespecting those who believe in actual religion.

They point to the science and say ‘its settled’ and that those who disagree are anti-science, while not understanding that science is never settled and conclusions are made to be questioned, and is not ever made by ‘consensus’.

And yet their fervent belief in their data, and their science, is betrayed by the ridiculous policies that are put in place, that are not based on actual science, sound economics, or intelligent reason, but rather by the ideology of the day which is mostly leftist virtue signalling bullshit.

All the while millions live in poverty and die on a daily basis.

And you wonder why there is pushback.

Hardly an ad hominem in the comment.

“Leftist virtue signalling bullshit.” Right, no ad hominem there. – Garth

#208 Smoking Man on 06.19.18 at 10:37 am

Higher Ground.

https://www.dailyfx.com/usd-cad

#209 HaHaHa on 06.19.18 at 10:39 am

Calling people climate deniers is kind of well saying a white person has to be rascist. Cut it out. Until people quit consuming more and more junk the planet is pooched. Its all a big game. Spend more $$$$ make sure GDP is up. People live in massive houses nowadays. Hypocrisy is rather appalling coming from the climate alarmists. California is built on a desert! If it is such a problem then no one should be allowed to build on a coast line anymore. Why did they even bother to rebuild New Orleans? It is a tax plain and simple. Environmental groups is big business and you better believe they are getting money from sources that would make your head spin. As far as fear mongering about the kids. Give me a break. Climate change is happening. But no one wants to give up their lifestyle. Just want someone else to pay for it. Time to grow up. On a side note B.C. and California are built on a fault line. The science was settled long ago. A massive earthquake is coming. But those damn Tetonic Plate Shifting Deniars won’t move. Someone needs to put a tax on that.

#210 Ottawan on 06.19.18 at 10:50 am

This feels a bit like shouting into a thunderstorm, but here we go…

1. If you really still believe that scientists are wrong or lying, and humans aren’t causing climate change, that’s it’s just a natural process, stop reading this now. You’re hopeless.

2. If you think Canada will be fine or even benefit from global warming, think again. We’ll see worse droughts on the prairies, sea level rise drowning BC’s Lower Mainland, and worse floods and forest fires everywhere.

3. If you think we can ignore the rest of the world, think again. Where do you think a billion refugees displaced by sea level rise and famine are going to end up? If we don’t open the gates, they’ll knock down the wall. If we could even afford to build one.

4. If you think our emissions are so small that it doesn’t matter what we do, think again. Our emissions per person are among the highest in the world. It’s cold in Sweden, too, and they emit less than half what we do. This is a global problem and everybody needs to cut emissions. Why should China and India bother cutting emissions if we won’t?

#211 Ubul on 06.19.18 at 11:03 am

#198 Michael Diehl
Always surprised by the “climate was always changing” Argument. The principal difference now is the velocity of change. Please have a lock at https://xkcd.com/1732/.

“Natural” climate change happens on a geological timescale. Now it is happening within human lifetimes.

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There is 420000 years of proven, undisputed data available, but you chose to look at a 22000 years slice, which also happens to end with prediction into the future, into 20100 (!) instead of actual data.

That somehow makes you conclude that now it is happening within human lifetimes.

I wouldn’t care, if I wasn’t taxed to “fix” this.

#212 PeterfromCalgary on 06.19.18 at 11:32 am

The area that is now Toronto use to be covered in glaciers. Extreme weather has always been with us. We live on a big planet that is dynamic and changes. Humans might be impacting the climate a little or maybe not. Whatever the case their is no reason to go crazy and tax fossil fuels in Canada. A carbon tax is just shooting ourselves in the foot competitively. If human caused climate change is real we are not big enough emitters to make any difference globally. Canadian’s have to realize we do not control the world!

#213 TS on 06.19.18 at 11:33 am

#209 – Our emissions per person are among the highest in the world.
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Yep…actually not among the highest. The highest. At least we can say we’re number one in something ;)

#214 Steerage expertise on 06.19.18 at 11:39 am

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Given the steerage expertise it all be easily solved if needed in their spare time from solving banking.

Tomorrow I suggest veganism impact on climate and hey why not vaccines for dessert.

#215 Gravy Train on 06.19.18 at 11:43 am

#174 Smoking Man on 06.19.18 at 1:47 am
“Gravy Train. Means nothing to me that you were an honour student with awards. Just means you are good at following the rules with your tongue stuck up the machine’s ass. Nothing to brag about.”

Bragging? I was merely defending myself against calumny. :)

#216 A J on 06.19.18 at 11:44 am

Two words: natural selection. Humans don’t own planet earth, and don’t have full control over the earth or how it functions. The fact that we are selfish enough to want a bigger house and more expensive car over the health of our planet is an example of natural selection in action. Us humans think we’re so special. And that nothing can ever befall us. We’re in for a shock when our actions destroy this planet so severely that natural selection takes us too. And it’ll be our pride, greed, and ego that did us all in. That and sheer moral stupidity. We are a cancer on this planet. And one day, this earth will do us all in, like it has to other species for millions of years. But hey, at least you once owned a piece of it’s land. Land we all take for granted until it’s too late.

#217 Ray on 06.19.18 at 11:49 am

I have read the book “Climate Wars” by Gwynne Dyer.
“In Latin America generally, the report predicts, severe climate change will be a death blow for democratic governments, and “Chavez- like governments will proliferate.” Large regions will become essentially lawless or fall under the control of criminal cartels, and the United States, lacking the means to help local authorities to restore order, “will likely fall back on a combination of policies that add up to quarantine.” The study implicitly assumes that the United States has already abandoned its more far- flung strategic commitments by 2040 and withdrawn to Fortress America, but it is a fortress surrounded by hostile neighbours. “The result . . . will be to render the United States profoundly isolated in the Western Hemisphere: blamed as a prime mover of global disaster; hated for measures it takes in self- protection.” This is already occurring.
The issue is the stability of the earths climate is not a linier “one input increase creates one output increase result. This only works in politician’s minds. The reality is the climate stability is governed by ‘Chaos Theory”. An initial small output can create an unproportionate output, particularly if positive feedback become involved . Eg:the melting of the tundra causes the decay of the frozen bogs, releasing methane gas that is a greenhouse gas which when released, again increases the rate of the melting of the tundra, etc.
All of this requires some level of empathetic thinking in the Earth’s collective leadership, a trait Pres.Trump is not known to be particularly gifted with.
OR, As George Carlin says,(paraphrased), The Earth will be fine, it has seen all of this before. Mankind however, is F*CKED”

Access to some of the excerpts to “Climate Wars “ is here.
http://gwynnedyer.com/wp-content/uploads/Climate-Wars-Excerpts-by-Gwynne-Dyer.pdf

#218 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 11:58 am

“Leftist virtue signalling bullshit.” Right, no ad hominem there. – Garth

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ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/Submit
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a ‘person’ rather than the position they are maintaining.
“vicious ad hominem attacks”

‘Leftism’ is a position, not a person.

There is no attack on any individual comments or positions.

Sure thing. Dial it back. More will listen to you. – Garth

#219 Fake News Again on 06.19.18 at 12:00 pm

BANNED

#220 n1tro on 06.19.18 at 12:02 pm

#209 Ottawan on 06.19.18 at 10:50 am
This feels a bit like shouting into a thunderstorm, but here we go…
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1. If you really still believe that scientists are wrong or lying, and humans aren’t causing climate change, that’s it’s just a natural process, stop reading this now. You’re hopeless.
^^Nice of you to come to the debate with such an open mind.

2. If you think Canada will be fine or even benefit from global warming, think again. We’ll see worse droughts on the prairies, sea level rise drowning BC’s Lower Mainland, and worse floods and forest fires everywhere.
^^You seem sure that this is a certainty. Please give us a rough time frame so we can short the local markets.

3. If you think we can ignore the rest of the world, think again. Where do you think a billion refugees displaced by sea level rise and famine are going to end up? If we don’t open the gates, they’ll knock down the wall. If we could even afford to build one.
^^ I expect the billions that populate an unsustainable world to die horribly as they are currently doing. If they do relocate, the problem of unsustainabilty still exists. Should we mandate how many children people should have? Less people, less pollution right?

4. If you think our emissions are so small that it doesn’t matter what we do, think again. Our emissions per person are among the highest in the world. It’s cold in Sweden, too, and they emit less than half what we do. This is a global problem and everybody needs to cut emissions. Why should China and India bother cutting emissions if we won’t?
^^2 part answer…
Canada: 35M * 1000 Carbon output = 35B
China or India: 1B * 100 Carbon output = 100B <–this is suspending the truth and assuming per person output is 1/10 of Canadians

Why should China/India bother? Because they produce more in total! Any little effort on their part, makes a bigger difference. Even if Canadians cut half their output, will China and India be held to cut half their carbon output? The answer is a big fat No.

#221 Fake News Again on 06.19.18 at 12:21 pm

BANNED.. & GONE

#222 Damifino on 06.19.18 at 12:52 pm

#215 A J

We are a cancer on this planet.
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Speak for yourself.

#223 Objective Observer on 06.19.18 at 12:57 pm

#217 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 11:58 am

‘Leftism’ is a position, not a person.

There is no attack on any individual comments or positions.

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You used the term ‘leftist’ in your earlier rant – a PERSON with left-wing political views – so ad-hominem is applicable.

Do you think all scientists, researchers that have spent years in their field trying to understand the environment based on evidence deserve to have their work discounted because you think they’re leftists? Ignorance is bliss isn’t it. Perhaps you should consider pursuing their career which likely requires a higher level of intelligence than the one you’re in. Just a thought.

#224 Ubul on 06.19.18 at 1:41 pm

#212 TS on 06.19.18 at 11:33 am

#209 – Our emissions per person are among the highest in the world.
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Yep…actually not among the highest. The highest. At least we can say we’re number one in something ;)

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Not first according to this per capita carbon emissions (Tonnes):

https://cotap.org/per-capita-carbon-co2-emissions-by-country/

Qatar 40.1
Trinidad & Tobago 37.78
Kuwait 34.24
Netherlands Antilles 23.55
Brunei Darussalam 22.96
United Arab Emirates 22.31
Aruba 21.59
Luxembourg 21.34
Oman 20.56
Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 19.56
Bahrain 19.18
United States 17.5
Saudi Arabia 16.92
Australia 16.75
New Caledonia 15.63
Kazakhstan 15.52

::: Canada 14.67 :::

Faeroe Islands 14.6
Estonia 13.67
Montserrat 12.98
Russian Federation 12.18
South Korea 11.78
Norway 11.71
Finland 11.53
Greenland 11.07
Netherlands 10.96
Czech Republic 10.65
Palau 10.55
Turkmenistan 10.52
Cayman Islands 10.49
Belgium 10.17
Israel 9.52
Libya 9.29
Japan 9.25
South Africa 9.18
Germany 9.06
Ireland 8.95
Denmark 8.34
Poland 8.29
Bosnia & Herzegovina 8.28
Nauru 8.19
Seychelles 8.14
Austria 7.97
United Kingdom 7.96
Iran 7.73
Greece 7.63
Malaysia 7.63
Bermuda 7.35
New Zealand 7.22
Bahamas 7.19
Cyprus 6.98
Venezuela 6.96
Italy 6.71
Ukraine 6.71
Equatorial Guinea 6.68
Slovakia 6.61
Belarus 6.48
Malta 6.22
China 6.18
Iceland 6.13
Andorra 6.09
Bulgaria 5.96
Spain 5.85
Antigua & Barbuda 5.78
France 5.75
Martinique 5.62
::: Sweden 5.6 :::

Sweden is in a much better position, indeed.

It might have to do with very poor building code standards and building technologies in Canada, plus we have much bigger driving distances, even within large cities.

It would be interesting to see an actual breakdown in energy consumption. Maybe operating a mainly resource-based economy, including producing oil from sand tars makes the difference, not the consumption of individuals.

Without real data it is just a guessing game.

#225 Nice one on 06.19.18 at 1:52 pm

Excellent article. I think we have spent too much on the insane RE bubble to now afford renewable energy. Poor priorities.

#226 Gravity Train on 06.19.18 at 1:54 pm

#206 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 10:31 am
“[Scientists] point to the science and say ‘it’s settled’ and that those who disagree are anti-science, while not understanding that science is never settled and conclusions are made to be questioned, and is not ever made by ‘consensus’.”

I think the science of gravity is pretty well ‘settled’. I grant you that Newton’s law of universal gravitation—first formulated over 300 years ago—has been superseded by Einstein’s theory of general relativity, but it’s still a useful approximation of the effects of gravity in most applications.

Now you’re welcome to take a flying leap off the nearest rooftop to prove your point (that ‘science is never settled and conclusions are meant to be questioned’), but I’d advise against it! :)

#227 Ubul on 06.19.18 at 1:54 pm

#222 Objective Observer on 06.19.18 at 12:57 pm

#217 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 11:58 am

‘Leftism’ is a position, not a person.

There is no attack on any individual comments or positions.

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You used the term ‘leftist’ in your earlier rant – a PERSON with left-wing political views – so ad-hominem is applicable.

Do you think all scientists, researchers that have spent years in their field trying to understand the environment based on evidence deserve to have their work discounted because you think they’re leftists? Ignorance is bliss isn’t it. Perhaps you should consider pursuing their career which likely requires a higher level of intelligence than the one you’re in. Just a thought.

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Objectively observing, you managed to finish your lecturing on ad-hominem with an even more personal attack than what you criticized.

Supposedly after exercising thinking.
What a day.

#228 A J on 06.19.18 at 1:54 pm

#221 Damifino

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? You’re just another person who thinks they’re more important than they actually are.

I’m not the only person who feels this way….

https://youtu.be/Zyc12-neTjM

#229 IHCTD9 on 06.19.18 at 2:14 pm

#182 Wrk.dover on 06.19.18 at 7:05 am

Bear in mind, that 2/3 of humans live on a couple of dollars/day or less, and you, yourself were here last week bragging about your annual energy bill being something like thirteen thousand dollars alone!!!!

Yeah Dude, you can read and learn things, but you don’t slow it down long enough to let it sink in. Seven billion IHCTD9 people habitating Earth wouldn’t work out for long.

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans

Don’t hold a grudge on this messenger. I’m not trying to insult or hurt feelings. My aim is to enlighten the thought process.

You are the message. Intervention needed.

We’re all just along for the ride, I’m not even going to get into just how minuscule Ontario’s carbon output is on a global scale. Focusing on Carbon output is the only game that allows the blame to be placed on humans

Just WOW!
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Actually, 7 Billion IHCTD9 people living on Earth would make the Earth a galactic Utopia for those that survived…

13 grand for energy is because of the cost of it – not so much the qty. I live in Ontario. DF did not pound the Libs into road pizza for no reason.

I have also indicated my intent, and some of the work already done to GET OFF of conventional energy as much as possible – which is quite a lot more than anyone else on this blog admits to. I guess if one day I can report that I have not bought any gasoline in 6 months, or bought zero heating fuels last year, that I should expect a healthy slap on the back and your most sincere thanks right?

Carbon taxes are useless and are a tax grab. They can’t work because they’re WAY too low to affect peoples spending and behavior. If they were high enough that people did have to make sacrifices – you know what would happen to those politicians who enacted the tax come next election right?

But hey – I like choice. If you want to listen to the next Politician who talks about Climate Change and Carbon taxes to the exclusion of every other factor involved, and not believe he isn’t just exploiting the most efficient pathway into your wallet – by all means, fill your boots.

#230 AGuyInVancouver on 06.19.18 at 2:20 pm

#206 AB Boxster
You took an awful lot of space to say very little of value.

#231 Steven Rowlandson on 06.19.18 at 2:25 pm

In the light of the ice age cycle if nothing else it is highly likely that the country is seriously at risk and of course having sky high home prices is irrational if not unethical. People are placing big long term bets in a country that has a definite shelf life. Is this wise?
Here are some climate science related websites.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MyanmarLiving
https://www.iceagenow.info/
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression

#232 Ubul on 06.19.18 at 2:30 pm

Energy consumption breakdown in Canada

https://i1.wp.com/prairieclimatecentre.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/GHG-Canada-07.png

#233 Ottawan on 06.19.18 at 2:36 pm

#219 n1tro on 06.19.18 at 12:02 pm

^^Nice of you to come to the debate with such an open mind.
My mind is open to well-reasoned arguments supported by credible evidence. I’m not going down a rabbit hole of crazy Youtube conspiracy theories.

^^You seem sure that this is a certainty. Please give us a rough time frame so we can short the local markets.
–Amazingly, that depends on how quickly we cut our greenhouse gas emissions! The smart folks at the Canadian Forest Service have made some predictions. Read this, you might learn something: http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/forests/climate-change/forest-change/17776

^^ I expect the billions that populate an unsustainable world to die horribly as they are currently doing. If they do relocate, the problem of unsustainabilty still exists. Should we mandate how many children people should have? Less people, less pollution right?
–That’s a pretty cynical view. Realistically, when half of Bangladesh goes underwater, some of the refugees will end up here because lots of Canadians have empathy.

You seem to hope I’ll argue for a global One Child Policy , but I think the population will level off by natural and economic pressures. The world population growth rate peaked at 2.2% in 1962/1963. It’s been steadily declining since then for a lot of reasons. It’s at 1.1% now and the UN projects it to reach zero around 2100. That will make for a total population of about 11 billion people. You can probably see the need to reduce the emissions per person long before that.

^^2 part answer…
Canada: 35M * 1000 Carbon output = 35B
China or India: 1B * 100 Carbon output = 100B <–this is suspending the truth and assuming per person output is 1/10 of Canadians
Why should China/India bother? Because they produce more in total! Any little effort on their part, makes a bigger difference. Even if Canadians cut half their output, will China and India be held to cut half their carbon output? The answer is a big fat No.

— There's been a lot of discussion about who is responsible for the current state of things and how much each country needs to reduce emissions to be fair. That's what all of these climate change conferences are trying to figure out. But everyone has some responsibility and nobody should be allowed to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the problem. If a majority of countries agree strongly enough that emissions must be reduced, they can (and probably will) apply economic and diplomatic pressure to countries that refuse.

#234 jess on 06.19.18 at 2:39 pm

How would collecting more tax somehow “save the planet”. DRINKING WATER! Pollution isn’t free

Certainly myths will not save the planet …or would you rather trust a human who claims to speak to the gods

overwhelming
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Face Off
IBM’s Newest AI Can Probably Argue Better Than You
Author: Tom Simonite

IBM shows off a software program that can engage in a debate, possibly pointing the way to the future of talking machines.
Here is a whole page of these misinformers.
https://skepticalscience.com/skeptics.php

Climate myths vs What the Science Says
smokin man ….richard lindzen or any other deniers have already been debated
https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Richard_Lindzen.htm

#52 Angel on 06.18.18 at 7:04 pm
Below are many of the climate myths used by Lawrence Solomon plus how often each myth has been used.
“We’re heading into an ice age” Worry about global warming impacts in the next 100 years, not an ice age in over 10,000 years.
https://skepticalscience.com/Lawrence_Solomon_arg.htm

#235 Stratovarius on 06.19.18 at 2:43 pm

So close to having a brilliant blog and then you took the inevitable path left towards criticizing Trump. You were right in highlighting that use of hydrocarbons is increasing worldwide, and irrespective of what the liberals do in BC, we share one atmosphere. Put another way, what happens in Shanghai (or Mumbai, Hanoi, or any other rapidly developing economy) doesn’t stay in Shanghai, but affects all of us. However, the Paris Accords allowed China and other “developing countries” to continue to increase CO2 emissions, while the “developed world” agreed to significant cuts. In short, Canada, Europe, and the US would unilaterally destroy its economy while having no atmospheric benefit since Asia and other regions would continue to burn hydrocarbons. This is why even under Obama, the US ended its ban on export of oil so that it could take advantage of the growth abroad. But you and Mr. Socks seem to believe that Canada should pay the price while continuing to transfer jobs and wealth to Asia. Fortunately, the Donald is smarter than you.

#236 Climate on 06.19.18 at 2:44 pm

You are witnessing the transformation which took place during December 2012. The 5th Sun disappeared from the Sun Stone calendar, and we have begun experiencing the 6th Sun effects. Buckle up since this is going to be a ruff ride, because we are under the influence of a new Goddess who is a bit cranky, and is a feminist too.

#237 IMHO on 06.19.18 at 2:47 pm

Man causing climate change is like saying wet sidewalks cause rain.

In other news, the DOW gave up all its gains for the year today.

#238 Dups on 06.19.18 at 3:03 pm

Before we pick on Doug Ford which is trying to help. Here is some news from SW Ontario TRW Plant that is closing down and moving out this year. Here is what they said:

“They survived a lot of things. They just couldn’t survive Kathleen Wynne,” Ernie Hardeman, the newly re-elected member for Oxford, said of the ZF-TRW plant. “Under the past regime, it just became too expensive to do business in Ontario anymore.”

http://lfpress.com/news/local-news/tillsonburg-auto-parts-plant-zf-trw-set-to-close-by-years-end

#239 jess on 06.19.18 at 3:13 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/19/trump-is-wrong-on-tariffs-and-trade-just-look-at-his-iphone.html

investors will move;

Top 100 producers and their cumulative greenhouse gas emissions from 1988-2015

china coal at the top …the chinese people are the push /demand for cleaner air

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

#240 bill on 06.19.18 at 3:13 pm

#73 akashic record on 06.18.18 at 7:33 pm
http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBook/history_of_climate.html
if you hadnt seen it before…

#241 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 3:16 pm

#225 Gravity Train on 06.19.18 at 1:54 pm


I think the science of gravity is pretty well ‘settled’. I grant you that Newton’s law of universal gravitation—first formulated over 300 years ago—has been superseded by Einstein’s theory of general relativity, but it’s still a useful approximation of the effects of gravity in most applications.

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Ah, so you do understand science?

Newton’s law has been theorized, and tested and proven through scientific experiment.
Repeatable experiment.

It is accepted truth because Newton theorized it , and proved it, and because other scientists were able to repeat it.
It was not accepted as true at the time, because the politicians of the day thought it was politically important to show their support for Newton. In fact the powers of the day saw Galileo and Newton heretics.

So show me how climate change has been proven through scientific experiment.
Repeatable scientific experiment.

All of the models postulated for climate change have failed miserably. All of the projections thus far have been shown to be wrong.

Any scientific theory that cannot be tested and repeated over and over, is not proven, it remains a theory.

Kind of like the science of weather.
We know that after the winter equinox that the sun becomes lower in the sky, daylight decreases and average temperature decreases. We know this because its based on science.

But i challenge you to find one weather model that can accurately predict how much snow you will have in February, or whether the average temperature in March will be higher or lower than the 100 year average.

Why not?
If it’s based on science, why can’t we predict this, as we can predict the force of gravity.
Well, with gravity there are two variables, the mass of the objects and the force of gravity.

And why is this different for climate change?
Because there are far too many variables to create models that can predict with any accuracy.

Does this mean that pumping large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere is a good thing?

I don’t really know. Doesn’t sound good to pump anything into the atmosphere and we should do more to stop this.

Does stopping pipelines in Canada stop this? Nope, energy is just produced and burned elsewhere.

Does taxing my heating bill stop this? Nope, it just transfers money from me to others?

Does anything Canada do in this regard make a difference? Nope because China and India are the largest emitters and are exempt from any climate agreements, and Canada’s puny levels of CO2 emissions are easily consumed by our vast forest and green space. Canada is carbon neutral.
(That’s pretty easy to scientifically prove actually)

Some science may suggest that CO2 will result in climate change and massive problems. Other science concludes that the earth has had much higher levels of CO2 in the past, and that the plant life on earth will thrive due to higher levels in the atmosphere.

Maybe both will happen, maybe neither.
Interesting theories.
Hardly what I would call scientific fact, either way.

I’m pretty confident in the fact of gravity and so do not fell the need to fling myself of a rooftop to confirm it.

But such ‘scientific’ certainty over climate change, I’m surprised you have not seen fit to become a survivalist in your bunker or just end it all now.

After all , Al Gore told you the end was near in 2012.

#242 n1tro on 06.19.18 at 3:17 pm

#232 Ottawan on 06.19.18 at 2:36 pm
#219 n1tro on 06.19.18 at 12:02 pm

— There’s been a lot of discussion about who is responsible for the current state of things and how much each country needs to reduce emissions to be fair. That’s what all of these climate change conferences are trying to figure out. But everyone has some responsibility and nobody should be allowed to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the problem. If a majority of countries agree strongly enough that emissions must be reduced, they can (and probably will) apply economic and diplomatic pressure to countries that refuse.
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A very fair and balanced statement. But isnt a lot of the back and forth in this blog making the argument that the current Paris Accord does nothing to address that everyone is responsible and not just the “richer” nations while “developing” nations get a free pass? Are we to hand over our $ in the belief that governments have our best interests at heart and sort things out later?

Cynical view? Maybe. But it comes from experience.

#243 TS on 06.19.18 at 3:23 pm

#223 – Ubul

Yeah, it is surprisingly hard to track down data of emissions by end users. Qatar and Trinidad almost certainly don’t consume anywhere close to what we do..they export those emissions to other countries which isn’t a fair comparison. Admittedly we do some of that as well (Alberta CO2 per capita is almost 70) but Nova Scotia isn’t a fossil fuel producer and is over 20.

#244 James on 06.19.18 at 3:23 pm

#175 Smoking Man on 06.19.18 at 1:47 am

The amount of mind fking out there is astonishing to an empty bottle truth seaker.
I’m right, I’m left. You’re all up side down if you ask me.
Polarization is getting stronger. No middle anymore. Chose a side take the ride.
Lie for your team. Winning at all costs is a new game. Logic stomped in the face with the boot of emotion.
You all deserve what’s coming. When you can’t see the truth anymore. You are doomed.
Those face book posts of Canadians boycotting USA, T2 tossed you all under the bus for power to make sure you bastards go back to the stone age. Recipe written by Soros for profit. and delivered by Butts who is worth 25 million. A coal miners son who has never had a private sector gig.
Gravy Train. Means nothing to me that you were a honour student with awards. Just means you are good at following the rules with your tongue stuck up the machines ass.
Nothing to brag about.
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Man you have a real miserable outlook on life you old bag of shit. Jesus, just go and sit in your apartment where you can smoke and drink yourself into oblivion until the reaper comes a looking. What the hell happened to you old man? The 1950’s are gone and your retirement should be pleasurable.
BTW why do you whine all day long on here don’t you have a shuffleboard game lined up you miserable old fart.

#245 James on 06.19.18 at 3:31 pm

You want to cut off the legs on Donald Trump when the trade war happens. Just throw the switch.
Overall, Canada is a net exporter of electricity to the United States, and most of its power needs are met by hydroelectricity. Large hydroelectric projects in British Columbia, Manitoba, Quebec, and Newfoundland and Labrador have significantly increased the country’s generation capacity. On a net basis, Canada exports electricity mainly to New England, New York, and the Midwest states, while the United States exports electricity primarily from the Pacific Northwest states to the Canadian province of British Columbia. Manufacturing in the heartland would come to a crawl as rolling blackouts and brownouts would occur.
Just a thought.

#246 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 3:32 pm

#229 AGuyInVancouver on 06.19.18 at 2:20 pm

You took an awful lot of space to say very little of value.
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Were you able to understand it though?
I try to write for grade 5 level, so maybe you just didn’t get it.

#247 James on 06.19.18 at 3:34 pm

#215 Gravy Train on 06.19.18 at 11:43 am

#174 Smoking Man on 06.19.18 at 1:47 am
“Gravy Train. Means nothing to me that you were an honour student with awards. Just means you are good at following the rules with your tongue stuck up the machine’s ass. Nothing to brag about.”

Bragging? I was merely defending myself against calumny. :)
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I supposed your retort to the ancient Smoking fart was rather entertaining.

#248 Doug Ford on 06.19.18 at 3:41 pm

He is like the Ford automobile that falls apart driving it off the lot. Judge him by the way he treated his brother’s wife because is character is in doubt. This man is a buffoon who made promises that will not be fulfilled because he could never produce a detailed plan. Ford will never be for the citizens, because his God is obtaining power, and watch the deals he makes in the future using your tax dollars. What he did to his brother’s wife, he will do to you too.

#249 jess on 06.19.18 at 3:50 pm

BC Ministry of Health’s audit branch had identified 26 “baby houses”, whose guests were either short-term visitors to Canada, or were permanent residents who had left Canada and allowed their eligibility for BC’s medical services plan to lapse.

Ian Young
Canadian hospital sues mother of million-dollar baby, amid growing concern over Chinese birth tourism

Dozens of ‘baby houses’ have sprung up in British Columbia to house pregnant Chinese women seeking automatic Canadian citizenship for their children, with one in five births at Richmond Hospital involving non-resident mothers
PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 13 June, 2018, 6:26am
UPDATED : Thursday, 14 June, 2018, 11:33am

Ian Young
Canadian hospital sues mother of million-dollar baby, amid growing concern over Chinese birth tourism

Dozens of ‘baby houses’ have sprung up in British Columbia to house pregnant Chinese women seeking automatic Canadian citizenship for their children, with one in five births at Richmond Hospital involving non-resident mothers
PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 13 June, 2018, 6:26am
UPDATED : Thursday, 14 June, 2018, 11:33am

Ian Young
Canadian hospital sues mother of million-dollar baby, amid growing concern over Chinese birth tourism

Dozens of ‘baby houses’ have sprung up in British Columbia to house pregnant Chinese women seeking automatic Canadian citizenship for their children, with one in five births at Richmond Hospital involving non-resident mothers
PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 13 June, 2018, 6:26am
UPDATED : Thursday, 14 June, 2018, 11:33am

Ian Young
Canadian hospital sues mother of million-dollar baby, amid growing concern over Chinese birth tourism

Dozens of ‘baby houses’ have sprung up in British Columbia to house pregnant Chinese women seeking automatic Canadian citizenship for their children, with one in five births at Richmond Hospital involving non-resident mothers
PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 13 June, 2018, 6:26am
UPDATED : Thursday, 14 June, 2018, 11:33am

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2150497/canadian-hospital-sues-mother-million-dollar-baby

#250 Mark in The Hammer on 06.19.18 at 3:54 pm

Thank you for this post, Garth. Balanced, rational, and factoring in everything. You okay? jk of course.

When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money.

#251 IHCTD9 on 06.19.18 at 4:01 pm

#210 Ottawan on 06.19.18 at 10:50 am
This feels a bit like shouting into a thunderstorm, but here we go…

1. If you really still believe that scientists are wrong or lying, and humans aren’t causing climate change, that’s it’s just a natural process, stop reading this now. You’re hopeless.

2. If you think Canada will be fine or even benefit from global warming, think again. We’ll see worse droughts on the prairies, sea level rise drowning BC’s Lower Mainland, and worse floods and forest fires everywhere.

3. If you think we can ignore the rest of the world, think again. Where do you think a billion refugees displaced by sea level rise and famine are going to end up? If we don’t open the gates, they’ll knock down the wall. If we could even afford to build one.

4. If you think our emissions are so small that it doesn’t matter what we do, think again. Our emissions per person are among the highest in the world. It’s cold in Sweden, too, and they emit less than half what we do. This is a global problem and everybody needs to cut emissions. Why should China and India bother cutting emissions if we won’t?
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1. If humans went back to farming and became carbon negative – would our Climate change issue then cease?

2. Blah, blah, blah. Spare me. Exactly what is your workable, realistic plan? Don’t got one?

3. The day Canada lets millions or billions of refugees into Canada, is the day I quit working. I suggest this as the plan for all if the day were to ever come.

4. I remember back in the 90’s when import drag racing started becoming popular. All the insecure Honda fart-pipe kids would go on about how much HP per litre their little weed whacker B16’s made. Of course, when they pulled beside a fox-body with a warmed up 460 (which made only half the hp/litre of the Honda) the Honda still got destroyed. Why? Because 1.6 x 106 is 170 hp and 7.5 x 50 = 375 hp.

Carbon output is the same math: “There’s no replacement for displacement”

Fact is, in the real world where I live; China won’t be cutting emissions no matter what you do. Let’s leave la-la land behind, and stop – just stop the crazy talk about Canada being an example to China.

They don’t care what we think, they don’t care what we do, they don’t care what we say.

Capiche?

Good.

#252 april on 06.19.18 at 4:27 pm

So now in BC the realtors – husband and wife team, or a team – can represent both buyer and seller and don’t have to tell their client. According to Ross Kay don’t use a realtor to buy a home if you don’t want to be ” harmed”.
The BC real estate industry is so corrupt it’s enough to make one throw up. I’m with Happy Housing Crash!!

#253 SimplyPut7 on 06.19.18 at 4:28 pm

#192

My post was reasonably balanced and not judgmental. The climate change deniers here sound angry, spiteful and almost always resort to ad hominem arguments to bully and belittle those who have an opposite view. It vastly weakens the argument. – Garth

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The problem with politicians that are more left is that they don’t care about the environment or our health as much as they care about controlling people.

If you decide to go off-grid, they force you to be part of the grid and tax you for it.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-electricity-hst-solar-net-metering-1.4139700

If you say you want a backyard chicken for eggs, which would mean less greenhouse gas created transporting the eggs from the farm to the grocery store and then from the grocery store to your house, you may not be allowed to
https://www.southwesternontario.ca/opinion-story/8662926-you-can-legally-own-a-lion-but-not-a-backyard-chicken-in-wellington-north/

If you do go to the farm to get free ranged eggs, the egg police will come after the farmer and prevent them from making a business from that.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-egg-police-crack-down-on-local-grey-market-eggs/article1357431/

If you want raw milk, the government spends over $100,000 in court telling you why you can’t sell that type of milk and throws you in jail
http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/ontario-keeps-spending-a-fortune-prosecuting-a-farmer-whos-hurt-no-one-and-keeps-selling-his-milk
http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/you-can-now-go-to-prison-in-canada-for-providing-raw-milk-seriously
http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/raw-milk-dairy-farmer-goes-to-jail-over-2015-farm-raid

People care about the environment more than they ever did in the past. So let them have the freedom to decide how to make the Earth a better place without taxing them, jailing them or using taxpayer money to fight them in court for things people in other countries can do without any consequences from their government.

#254 Dual Citizen In Canada on 06.19.18 at 4:36 pm

Agent Smith summed it up the best here:
https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4?t=117

#255 Tillsonburg on 06.19.18 at 4:39 pm

I see the small TRW plant is closing down that is in the area of Amish / Mennonite farming. They have money to invest, so maybe they should buy it, because they are often at the TD center seeing a brokerage house. The liberal part could manufacture product, while the conservative part would deliver the produce from the farms. I met two Amish couples one day south of Woodstock at an important auction sale, all dressed in black and were very open in discussion. One day I took a weekend vacation north of Toronto, and they came along to discuss business opportunities at a Resort.

#256 Hair on fire on 06.19.18 at 4:43 pm

I remember being a teenager growing up in Richmond in 1997 when the Kyoto accord hit all the news headlines. Scientists declared Richmond would be under water by the year 2010.

The water level around Richmond’s dykes hasn’t risen an inch since then.

That has always served as a reminder not to over react to all the sensational headlines (and delusions) of highly qualified and biased and compromised journalists and “scientists”

#257 Headhunter on 06.19.18 at 4:52 pm

do we really know anything at all about the place we live?
So unless you are certain save your blood pressure. Most are just parroting what they hear. Let’s try to observe and maybe we can all get somewhere.

Riddle me this. IF the SUN is 100 Million MILES away. It should appear constant to the naked eye. But it does not. We are all seen the huge sunsets.

SUN is a 100 million miles away, but it can be 0 degrees in Ontario and 30 degrees just a few 1000 miles away.. like “magic”

Lighten up! crack a beer and enjoy the show.

#258 jess on 06.19.18 at 4:54 pm

…”investing and exits were often complicated by China’s strict capital controls.For example, Carlyle’s planned acquisition of Xugong Group Construction Machinery Co, one of China’s biggest machinery makers, was shot down by the government on concerns about foreign monopolies.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-goldman-china-fund/goldman-sachs-to-raise-up-to-5-billion-yuan-china-private-idUSTRE74B1KC20110512
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Beijing reportedly set to launch $47 billion investment fund for chipmaking
Beijing is seeking to develop domestic technological innovation in areas such as robotics and semiconductors through an initiative called “Made in China 2025.” One of the U.S. trade delegation’s aims in talks with China this week was to ask Beijing to stop subsidies of that program. The visit ended Friday with little apparent progress in resolving a trade dispute between the two countries.

#259 Ace Goodheart on 06.19.18 at 5:26 pm

#257 Head Hunter:

“SUN is a 100 million miles away, but it can be 0 degrees in Ontario and 30 degrees just a few 1000 miles away.. like “magic””

It’s all to do with angle.

In our North American winter (when the Earth is actually closest to the sun), the planet is tilted in a way that results in North America being tipped away from the sun. The sun’s rays hit us at an angle, and do not heat the Earth’s surface enough to give us any significant daytime temperatures.

During North American summer, the planet is tilted in a way that results in North America being tipped towards the sun ,meaning the sun’s rays hit us more directly, warming the surface of the Earth and giving us summer.

The sun cannot warm the air directly. Air is heated by way of the surface of the Earth being heated by the sun, and the Earth’s surface in turn heats the air. For this reason, as you go up (and closer to the sun) the air will cool by an average of 2 degrees C per 1000 feet of height. This continues up to the tropopause, where the Stratosphere begins and the situation reverses. From then on, the temperature of the air goes up as you go higher.

The above is the reason why large thunderstorms “anvil out” when they reach the tropopause. The temperature inversion (increase rather than decrease in temperature) prevents the storm from rising any higher. You can actually see where the Troposphere ends and the Stratosphere begins, just by watching the tops of thunderstorm clouds (cumulonimbus).

Because the sun cannot warm air directly, it is always colder over the ocean than it is over land. For this reason, we have sea breezes (cold air from the ocean rushes in to take the place of warm air on the land, which is rising because it is warm).

North America for the most part, is never warmed up enough by the Sun’s rays to maintain its temperature independently of any warming action from the tropics. If for some reason ocean currents and air mass movements stop, and the transfer of heat from the tropics to the Northern Hemisphere stops, then North America will go into a permanently cold period, or an ice age. The same goes for Western and Eastern Europe, all of Russia, Northern China, most of Japan, South Korea, etc. None of these places are capable of supporting human life, without warm air and ocean currents constantly warming them up, from down south.

Our climate systems are very odd. One thing is for sure though, that butterflies flapping their wings, do not create thunderstorms or climate patterns. That was a load of bunk (Chaos theory I think it was called)?

#260 Michael on 06.19.18 at 5:45 pm

#206 Howard on 06.19.18 at 10:27 am
Both the little ice age and the Medieval Warm Period are include in the graph I linked to.
If you look at temperature change per time interval you’ll see that it is bigger by at least an order of magnitude when we look at 1960-2010.

#211 Ubul on 06.19.18 at 11:03 am
I found longer term data in wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#Ice_cores_(from_800,000_years_before_present)

Look at the ice core diagram (going back 800K years). I don’t see any period where the rate of change was as big as now. If you are bothered by the extrapolation to 2100 just look at the graph until 2016. The argument remains valid.

There is also purely theoretical reasoning which is independent from actual measurements mentioned 1st by Edward Teller in the 50’s based on the optical properties of CO2.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/hundredth-birthday-1959-teller-oil-global-warming.html

#261 Gravy Train on 06.19.18 at 6:49 pm

#241 AB Boxster on 06.19.18 at 3:16 pm
“I’m pretty confident in the fact of gravity and so do not feel the need to fling myself of a rooftop to confirm it.

“But such ‘scientific’ certainty over climate change, I’m surprised you have not seen fit to become a survivalist in your bunker or just end it all now.

“After all, Al Gore told you the end was near in 2012.”

You’re funny! And you seem like a reasonably intelligent fellow—ostensibly a man of science—just trying to figure out his world. You’re not your typical ‘deplorable’, as you seem to be interested in facts, theory, truth, science and scientists.

If you’re sincerely interested in learning about the science of climate change, you may want to read up on such scientists as John Tyndall (1820-1893), Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) and Thomas Chamberlin (1843-1928).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Chrowder_Chamberlin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change

Oh—and don’t confuse climatology with meteorology—the climate and the weather are not the same! :)

#262 PeterfromCalgary on 06.19.18 at 7:16 pm

“(By the way, Alberta produces 500% more greenhouse gas emissions than does BC, according to the federal government.)”

This statistic while true is misleading. Alberta produces and processes energy which emits a lot of so called “greenhouse gas”. If Alberta did not produce and process this energy someone else would to meet energy demand. Alberta could shut down it’s energy sector tomorrow and some other country would pick up the slack and their would be no change in global emissions.

This is a bit like the nonsense that electric cars are emission free. They may not be emitting where they drive but somewhere their is coal or gas powered generating station belching out all kinds of crap to power that car. The “benefit” of electric cars is that the pollution created to power them is probably made in an area where poor people live as opposed to the rich folk who drive the electric cars and breath clean air in rich town.

#263 Hypocrite Bob on 06.20.18 at 8:22 am

Interesting that you didn’t mention Trudeau’s new pipeline when talking about climate change.

#264 IHCTD9 on 06.20.18 at 11:29 am

Man, steel industry is in turmoil right now. No one is holding a quote for 30 days. All quotes are “subject to review at time of order”, “tariff’s may apply July 1” etc…

Going to be a real mess out there, prices are climbing fast, I’ve stopped holding quoted prices too. Steel is really going through the roof, seems like half the warehouses out there are waiting on Mill rollings right now.

The world is getting stupid, and we all get to pay for it. Steel is just one out of thousands of things getting hit – all over the globe.

If you are in mortgage debt up to your ears – GET OUT NOW. Dump it at a loss if need be. Bad things on the horizon, better have a good understanding who your employer’s customers are, and the origin of the materials you work with. Many folks’ job security is going to start sliding shortly if no one smartens up.

It’s already too late to get out of your Mortgage in the black, but you’ll lose more for every day that you wait.

If you are not very comfortably making the payments, then Dump It. Fair warning. No joke.

#265 CJBob on 06.20.18 at 1:49 pm

The Canadian dollar, at 82 cents US not so long ago, is plowing towards the 75-cent level. That currency devaluation stokes inflation and helps push the central bank towards another rate increase to shore the buck and mitigate the damage.
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The markets don’t appear to agree. The number of expected rate increases in 2018 are dropping as the risk to the economy is more of a concern than inflation. A lower CAD $ will help offset some of the new tariffs.

Not exactly. The odds of an increase July 11th are still close to 70%. More inflation – which steams from a lower dollar and trade tariffs – will certainly pressure the central bank. – Garth