Riding right

No doubt now. Up she goes a month Monday. Interest rates rise again on Wednesday, July 11th, and Ontario’s new preem gets some of the credit. Government of Canada 5-year bonds jumped like an excited gland on the news of a Tory majority Thursday night. So did the dollar.

Howcum? The financial markets think Doug Ford, despite his inexperience, gaping deficiencies, personal family issues, past indiscretions and the fact he was elected on populist slogans instead of policies (does any of that sound familiar?) means a better economy for the nation’s largest province. Likely they’re right. The Upper Canadian Dippers were ready to tax housing, tax investors, tax businesses and tax the rich (more). The size and cost of government would increase. The country would turn left as our major trading partner veers right. And wall-to-wall deficits for four years.

So, Ontarians dodged that bullet. Now Ford says he’ll cut electricity bills, gas taxes, income tax, real estate tax and halt the march to a $15 minimum wage. Less government, lower taxes, more money left in consumer pockets to spend on goods and services and in businesses to expand and hire. Growth. Markets feed on it.

Growth brings expansion and inflation. That fuels rate increases, especially now.

Forget NAFTA, trade wars, household debt levels and a staggering housing market. The Bank of Canada sees instead a country with a stable employment rate, decent job creation, a growing trade surplus, a major trading partner hungry for imports, a new pipeline and the fastest wage growth in six years. The jobs numbers on Friday may have sucked a bit (a loss of 7,500), but the big news was a 3.9% annual spike in average hourly wages – the biggest surge since the lights went out in 2009.

“The bank,” says a BeeMo economist, “is still good to go.”

The increase will be the fourth in less than a year, with one more to come in 2018. Surely five hikes will be enough to show the rates-will-never-increase crowd on this pathetic blog that they’re delusional. Normalizing rates – not raising taxes – is the single most effective tool possible for bringing housing values back to earth.

The second best is apparently electing Conservatives.

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Tories think they have Alberta in the bag, by the way. The reinvented Conservative party with their retread leader, Jason Kenney (I knew him when he was a moister), has high hopes of unhorsing NDPer Rachel Notley in an election expected next year.

Can’t come soon enough. Sure, the price of domestic oil has bubbled higher lately thanks in part to T2’s Big Pipe, but the Alberta economy is still squishy. Unemployment in Calgary – at 8% – is considerably steeper than the national average, and the high-paying energy jobs have simply not returned, even as oil climbed from $27 a barrel back to the $70 mark.

And look at the housing market. Sheesh. A mess. Sales are down again this month (16%) while prices have dropped (median is 5% lower). Real estate peaked a decade ago and has crawled around on its knees since.

And things are getting worse. 2018 so far has been disastrous for sellers and evidently too scary for buyers. Most of the houses listed this year remain unsold. Of almost 10,000 properties available so far at any time since January, just 4,200 have changed hands. Prices have dipped overall by less than 10%, unlike condos which have lost 14% of their value since the market topped out four years ago.

Cowboy Dippers have not slapped on all those housing taxes their socialist brethren in BC love, but rising mortgage rates and the B20 stress test have erased any benefit higher oil brought to Calgary or Edmonton. Of course the Alberta NDP increased corporate taxes and has managed to goose the provincial debt, so Kenney’s Cons will have considerable repair work to do, if they take office in a year.

Evident, I hope, to the young commies in the steerage section, is the intersection of politics and economics. Social justice, free drugs and having the government look after your kid are all great, but they mean higher taxes, fewer entrepreneurs and more debt (which is nothing but increased future taxes). Over the last few years Canada has drifted further left. Governments have expanded their role and influence in people’s lives. The federal debt is mushrooming $100 billion and the current government has given up trying to balance the books. Now we have a population expecting that couples be paid for having babies and retirees collect money just for being old.

Doug Ford is an uncooked politician who opportunistically sized power and caught the populist wave. As imperfect as he may be, the markets believe this was a far better choice than the other guys. He and Kenney are the new centurions of the right. Infidels beware.

143 comments ↓

#1 barb on 06.08.18 at 5:14 pm

Now if only Kenny and Ford would come to B.C. and dunk Horgan (and Weaver) in the ocean.

Oh…5 minutes would do fine.

#2 TRUMP on 06.08.18 at 5:24 pm

FORD NATION – For the people!!!

Were in good hands now.

Time to celebrate.

#3 Yaaaa Hoooooo on 06.08.18 at 5:28 pm

See ya later liberals! Raise those rates! Perhaps life can now get back to normal.

#4 Dave on 06.08.18 at 5:29 pm

How many interest increases in 2018 to come? 3???

#5 Cottingham a bargain on 06.08.18 at 5:32 pm

I expected the NDP to have a big lead yesterday afternoon until the conservative voters got off work to go vote.

It can’t go far enough right for me !

#6 PeterfromCalgary on 06.08.18 at 5:35 pm

Ontario made the best choice. Alberta will get rid of the dippers in 2019. Go Jason and Doug!

#7 Brian Ripley on 06.08.18 at 5:36 pm

Most of the houses listed this year remain unsold… Garth

I have my 6 city sales, listings, absorption rates and months of inventory (MOI) charts up now:
http://www.chpc.biz/mar-moi.html

I use active listings rather than new monthly listings added so the MOI does not look threatening to vendors (barely over 2 months of supply); there is still a lot of inventory being unloaded.

BUT when looking at the listings chart it becomes evident that the trend of supply constraint that partially fueled the markets, especial in Toronto, has been broken and the market is getting an inventory surge.

It’s time to negotiate instead of bidding at auction.

#8 SunShowers on 06.08.18 at 5:36 pm

“Now Ford says he’ll halt the march to a $15 minimum wage”

“More money left in consumer pockets to spend on goods and services”

Garth, where do you think the money that conumsers spend comes from?

For most, lower taxes. – Garth

#9 MSM-Free Zone on 06.08.18 at 5:38 pm

Once again, MSM has it all wrong.

It was the now infamous Kathleen Wynne, not Drug Fraud, who led the Ontario Conservatives to a majority PC government.

How else could an uneducated, morally bankrupt (fake Tory memberships), serial lying (I saved billions during my one-term-wonder at city hall), seedless watermelon, muzzled and caged from media access in a tour bus for weeks by ex-Harper walrus trainers, possibly have led a party to victory?

Let the games begin…..

#10 slam on 06.08.18 at 5:39 pm

“And look at the housing market. Sheesh. A mess. Sales are down again this month (16%) while prices have dropped (median is 5% lower). Real estate peaked a decade ago and has crawled around on its knees since.”

I wish this was the case with BC. It’s tough for those who work and live in this province to try to find affordable housing. Looks like sales are down but prices have not come down that much yet.

#11 Damifino on 06.08.18 at 5:40 pm

One thing seems true. Ontario is done with “green” for the time being.

#12 A little salt is needed on 06.08.18 at 5:56 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

#13 Aspirant Maple Leaf Dweller - BC here I come. on 06.08.18 at 5:58 pm

Garth

The business credo and philosophy you espouse via the support for the economically illiterate and financially short-sighted Ford prospectus is so old and discredited that I am surprised you can recall it in such detail. Cutting taxes, removing red tape blah blah – all so much supply side guff. What about stimulating demand via investment led policies and encouraging innovation. Really? Ontario is going to be saved by goosing a housing bubble and getting people to drive more in their CO2 polluting cars?

Countries with higher taxation and more growth oriented policies are more prosperous and have have happier populations. Nordic countries are a fine example. Ford will increase provincial debt, not cut it; he will widen inequality not reduce it; he will sow discord, not eliminate it; he will make decisions based on the short term not think of the big picture. Ontario will rue the day he came to power and you really need to reconsider your elation concerning his election – he will divide not unite. And for those blog dogs who think they are going to be few bucks a week better off think again; he will make all you poorer in oh so many ways.

Blah, blah, blah. You lost. – Garth

#14 Royal City Dweller on 06.08.18 at 6:01 pm

#9 MSM-Free Zone
How else could an uneducated, morally bankrupt (fake Tory memberships), serial lying (I saved billions during my one-term-wonder at city hall), seedless watermelon, muzzled and caged from media access in a tour bus for weeks by ex-Harper walrus trainers, possibly have led a party to victory?
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Damn, you live in a parallel universe, Comrade!

#15 Cocaine Communist on 06.08.18 at 6:09 pm

Garth –

On the markets supposedly loving Ford, we’ll have to agree to disagree on the reason for that. The truth, I think, is that intelligent observers are aware that Ford’s talk of balancing the budget is pure bluster in light of his penchant for needlessly cutting tax revenues.

Like the Liberals and the NDP, he will run deficits. The difference is that whereas the former two parties would have subsidized some of the needier members of our society, Ford will shamelessly subsidize corporations and the rich who are already doing well.

Intelligent observers also understand that government budget deficits *add* net financial assets to the private sector. These deficits are even more attractive to investors when they go straight into the corporate bottom line in the form of gratuitous tax cuts, rather than into social programs.

Investors understand that Ford is a transparent buffoon who’s destined to badly mismanage the provincial economy, but they also see that his mismanagement will be diverted directly into their pockets, and it’s giving them a hard on.

And if Doug Ford does indeed balance the budget, then God help us all, as he will no doubt sell off so many valuable state assets and cut vital programs so deeply that he will make Mike Harris look like Tommy Douglas by the time he’s done.

#16 Stop lying, Garth on 06.08.18 at 6:20 pm

Unemployment in Calgary – at 8% – is considerably steeper than the national average, and the high-paying energy jobs have simply not returned

Nice job conflating unemployment in Calgary to the provincial economy, Garth. Actually, Alberta as a whole has recovered quite nicely economically, but that doesn’t fit your narrative, does it? All the loss of “high paying” polluting tar sands jobs means is that Alberta might have to face life having an average income more in line with the rest of Canada, instead of 30% above it. I’d lose a lot less respect for you if you didn’t lie all the time to promote your right wing ideology.

#17 brian1 on 06.08.18 at 6:21 pm

Sac news. Charles Krauthammer has only a few weeks to
live. A true conservative.

#18 Guy in Calgary on 06.08.18 at 6:21 pm

I just want to hug that dog.

#19 Zero Hedge strategy on 06.08.18 at 6:26 pm

Investing in a diversified portfolio of ETFs is not diversification. Every time I say this my post never appears on this blog. When the market goes down, like it did in 2008-2009, all these financial assets (bonds and stocks) go down together.

True diversification is one etf, one house, one stamp collection, one block of gold, etc. A pile of different ETF or bonds is still the same asset class: financial asset.

#20 Leo Trollstoy on 06.08.18 at 6:38 pm

gartho on the money again

interest rates rise

inflation healthy

growth

you’re welcome

#21 Vancouver on 06.08.18 at 6:44 pm

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If $881,000 is not a price drop, i don’t know what is!

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#22 Prairieboy43 on 06.08.18 at 6:48 pm

Doug didn’t have to do anything. If Doug just camped out with Smoking Man for couple months he would have won. Perfect Politician. Look at the electoral map looks like a Oilers Jersey with many celebrations (coming soon). Stamp it!
PB43

#23 TheDood on 06.08.18 at 6:52 pm

#10 slam on 06.08.18 at 5:39 pm

…..I wish this was the case with BC. It’s tough for those who work and live in this province to try to find affordable housing. Looks like sales are down but prices have not come down that much yet.

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The run up to current prices took years, the drop will take just as long. Nothing going to happen over night. Let the current inventory sit and grow weeds. Prices are dropping, they just aren’t dropping very quickly. The seller’s/realtor’s market sucks right now. Interest rates will be climbing for the next several years. Climbing rates, B20, and Comrade Horgan’s “special taxes” will drive pressure on prices downwards, for years. Most people here in BC just don’t get it – there is no economy here to support current RE pricing. It’s all fake. FOMO. A beautifully designed marketing campaign that ran amok for years, and placed tens of thousands of people in lifelong debt that they’ll never escape. There is SOME offshore money contributing to purchase of some high end RE, but its small factor. Just don’t get caught up in it. If there are any responses to this that say “Nope. Not gonna happen…”, OR “Prices don’t go down in BC”, you know it’s realtor, or someone in the RE game, ignore them.

#24 Linda on 06.08.18 at 7:15 pm

It is said in politics that Alberta provincial governments are not so much elected as anointed. However, once Alberta voters get tired of the anointed, they tend to shun them forever after. It will be interesting to see whether a change to the party name will be enough to allow Alberta voters to bring out the oil to christen the former Conservatives into power once again.

By the way, which major trading partner is ‘hungry for imports?’. If it is supposed to be the USA, have to say the current leader isn’t showing any love for any trading partner but instead appears to be doing his best to terminate any trading relationship. I guess the traders keep trading & ignore the twit at the top…..

#25 Nonplused on 06.08.18 at 7:22 pm

Hopefully Kenney can retake Alberta, it just doesn’t make sense for Alberta to have an NDP government. The only reason Nutely won in the first place was that the Wild Rose party and then Conservative party split the vote. If you add up the votes for those 2 parties in most ridings it was higher than what the NDP got. Now, with only one candidate on the ballot for each riding, punting the NDP should be a slam dunk.

The whole thing was a farce to begin with. Many of the NDP candidates had little to no political or business experience whatsoever. One of them wasn’t even done college and still had selfies with pot paraphernalia on her Facebook feed! Clearly people were voting for Nutely, not the candidate in their riding. So that means we’ve had a very “1 person” government since, with the Legislative Assembly nothing more than a rubber stamp.

So there is every possibility things will go back to the good ol’ days, with Edmonton voting Liberal and the rest of the province voting Conservative. That’s what happened last time too, not counting the split vote thing.

I think, though, the writing was on the wall as soon as the Wild Rose and Conservatives announced they were merging. There is no way from that point on the NDP could have expected to be anything more than a 1 term government. The only way they could have got 2 terms is by showing outstanding leadership in her first term. Instead they rammed through the hated carbon tax and put the “closed to business” sign on the province’s door.

Now, if only we could find the person to salvage the Federal Conservative party. Someone who can channel the ghost of Preston Manning. (Yes, I know he’s not dead but maybe he can lend his ghost out for a bit.)

Either way though, all voting Conservative does is mean that we will drive off the debt cliff in 3rd gear instead of 4th or 5th. There is no way back from the debt mountain at this point. No matter what GDP growth rate you forecast it won’t be enough. There aren’t enough politically acceptable cuts to the budget to make it happen aka Mulroney any more either. The debt will continue to rise no matter what until we reach the “Minsky Moment”. (That moment when the market suddenly realizes that the income from speculative investments is no longer sufficient to service the debt acquired to purchase them and lending stops. 2008 was one such moment. It can happen to government debt too. The first to go in Canada will probably be Ontario. At some point they won’t be able to meet the interest on their debt no matter what they do with taxes. But the other provinces aren’t far behind.)

#26 Ron Tetrault on 06.08.18 at 7:22 pm

This should be a good learning lesson for all those ‘progressive’ left-wing parties out there (like the fed Libs). You push your progressive agenda too much, tax people too much (and otherwise increase the cost of living), when all the while increasing government debt and government size, then you get the boot. People have their limits.

Next year, when T2 tries to get re-elected, he will have his hands full with a bunch of non-lefty provincial governments (likely including Alberta), who don’t want things like a carbon tax and will fight about it. It should make for interesting politics (for Canada anyhow), since the swing back to the right has apparently begun in earnest.

#27 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.08.18 at 7:30 pm

@#13 BC Here I Come
“BC here I come. ”
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I hope you like living under a bridge because thats the only affordable accomodation available

#28 Pete on 06.08.18 at 7:32 pm

Why doesnt any conservative complain about Communist Mortgage housing Corporation (CMHC)?

#29 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.08.18 at 7:35 pm

A two headed pig driving a Ford could have beaten Wynne.
Wait a minute……….

#30 Howard on 06.08.18 at 7:36 pm

#9 MSM-Free Zone on 06.08.18 at 5:38 pm

How else could an uneducated, morally bankrupt (fake Tory memberships), serial lying (I saved billions during my one-term-wonder at city hall), seedless watermelon, muzzled and caged from media access in a tour bus for weeks by ex-Harper walrus trainers, possibly have led a party to victory?

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Same way a dilletante, flaky, narcissistic, vacuous, morally bankrupt (new revelations of past groping incidents), substitute drama teacher with the IQ of a turnip led the federal Liberals to a majority victory.

He somehow convinced enough people, in enough geographical locations, to vote for his party.

#31 Pete on 06.08.18 at 7:39 pm

The biggest communists are the conservatives. Conservatives is socialism for the wealthy. One example is CMHC back stopping a trillion in sub prime mortgages for the wealthy lenders. Why dont conservatives scream that the banks should not be risking taxpayer money???? Why dont conservatives scream the government should get out of the mortgage business??

#32 BlogDog123 on 06.08.18 at 7:40 pm

From my last night’s prediction around 7:00pm I was pretty damn close…

#29 BlogDog123 on 06.07.18 at 6:53 pm

Alright Blogdogs,

** Ontariowe Election Prediction Night **

Libs – 5
Cons – 78
Dippers – 40
Other – 1

What’s your guess ??

#33 Flat Earth Society on 06.08.18 at 7:44 pm

#13 Aspirant Maple Leaf Dweller – BC here I come.

Nordic countries have high standards of living because they have offshore oil and gas, not because of any social experiment miracle.

The Soviet Union was able to support a fairly high (by world standards) standard of living by exporting oil and gas to Europe until the oil glut of the 90’s. The Nordic miracle is no different.

#16 Stop lying, Garth

Umm, do you have a car? If you do, you are the oil sands. What do you think it runs on, pixie dust? Oh, maybe you have an electric car? Well that runs on coal.

Also the oil sands are not anymore polluting than coal fired electricity or shale oil fracking, so get over yourself. It’s not a question of whether we want oil from the oil sands, it’s a matter of the fact that we cannot do without it. It is a major component of the North American energy picture and will become more so in the future because the other stuff is frankly running out.

And I find your contempt for high wages in Albertan disturbing, psychopathic actually. Wouldn’t it be better if all Canadians made more money like they do in Alberta rather than dragging Alberta down? Well, a robust economy needs a lot of energy. The only reason there are jobs in Ontario is because there is a big pipeline bringing energy to Ontario from Alberta. Shut that down, Ontario shuts down.

But we haven’t even addressed why wages are so high in Alberta. Much of the work is very remote and workers spend their weeks living in remote camps miles from anywhere doing dangerous work in extreme weather conditions and working lots of overtime (why not, there isn’t anything else to do in camp but watch TV or play pool.) So if you don’t think you have what it takes to work as a rig hand in a camp working 12 hour days doing dangerous and physical work then quit gripping about the extra money. The job is there if you want it. Most people don’t.

#34 Newcomer on 06.08.18 at 7:55 pm

Job losses and inflation at the same time, huh? What will come back next, bellbottom jeans?

#35 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.08.18 at 7:56 pm

@#195 Zero Hedge
“one etf, one house, one stamp collection, one block of gold, etc….”
+++++
Soooo.
Your house catches fire and burns to the ground.
IF you survive….
You’re fighting with insurance, the stamps are gone, the gold is a melted puddle God knows where….but your ETF’s are chugging along just fine.

#36 RW_M on 06.08.18 at 7:56 pm

Garth, the leftish folks continually post things about how the conservatives aren’t actually fiscally conservative, and show how there doesn’t seem to be a huge correlation between responsible bookkeeping and who’s elected. It looks true to me when I look at the charts. What’s your thought on that.

And as much as I like the idea of tax cuts, nobody on any side has ever shown me evidence of the economy doing so much better as a result of them, or that these tax cuts for higher and corporate incomes (which seems to mostly be where taxes get raised and lowered) really do inject a tonne of money into the consumer economy. If you know of compelling data on this, do tell.

#37 Infrared on 06.08.18 at 8:03 pm

Garth, you said if PC wins, RE market out of danger. Now you say it’s getting worse.
Will it recover soon? Even if the rate goes up?

I said this helps confirm a rate increase, nothing more. – Garth

#38 Adam on 06.08.18 at 8:11 pm

You’re insane. Ford is a spitting-image Trump-of-the-North and you’re trying to spin this as good. For short term economic benefit? You’re probably right. For society at large? Meh, we don’t care about society at large, as long as we get the short-term economic benefit….

#39 Clearwater on 06.08.18 at 8:21 pm

Garth, when some poor brainwashed sap calls you a liar you really should just ban him. If he/she is not trolling then some people are too ingorant and radical to be given a platform here.

#40 dr talc on 06.08.18 at 8:21 pm

My favorite part was when the new Premier told the faithful that brother Rob was smiling down on us from Heaven, yes that’s what he said.

#41 iogitra on 06.08.18 at 8:31 pm

For those who voted for Ford and happy he won remember next time you are stuck in traffic on 401 that he put in a seat the son of the guy that sold 407 (built with public money) pennies on the dollar; or next time when you fork over $500 for your monthly commute.
One of the reasons I preferred to vote the libertarian guy on the list.

#42 conan on 06.08.18 at 8:32 pm

Let the games begin….. -MSM-Free Zone

I am going to give DOFO a chance. As soon as I see any attempts to water down the Judiciary,or attack the Constitution, in order to further water down the judiciary.
Or, bring in the unfair voting act, or reopen the A debate.

I am gone. That’s not DoFo, that’s Harper.

Probably move to Quebec.

#43 Steve French on 06.08.18 at 8:41 pm

Please don’t use “Kenny” and “moister” again in the same sentence.

Yuck.

#44 Grantlin Gorbley on 06.08.18 at 8:42 pm

Time to back-up the truck on Preferrds Garth? Tasty, ripened and in-season!

#45 ANON on 06.08.18 at 8:43 pm

I’m confused, is it milk&houney already flowing, or should I prep the tunacanz&poppingcorn?

#46 Reality is stark on 06.08.18 at 8:46 pm

Someone is going to look at the cost of running the public service? They don’t teach that in school.
That is downright mean and disrespectful.
Costs must rise into perpetuity!
Questioning spending is done only by evil people.
As a matter of fact the public secondary school teachers just ran an add on the Toronto Blue Jays radio network letting people know how critical they are and that their wages and benefits are sacrosanct. If anything they want you to know they want more not less and Doug Ford and the rest of you can all go to hell.

#47 mike from mtl on 06.08.18 at 8:46 pm

#19 Zero Hedge strategy on 06.08.18 at 6:26 pm
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That ‘strategy’ is crap. In a down market you can’t move your bricks unless 50% off, stamps will be uninteresting to collectors, gold buyers will only be behind glass and barely accept spot.

In a down market having real liquid capital is king. Nobody other than the smart money is buying in those times. I know myself since in 08-10 I bought about 40k worth of vintage collectable stuff 1/2 off and doubled my money in a few years’ time.

The portfolio took a hit but I rebalanced so to speak later.

Granted 100% stocks and financial instruments all get whacked in some way – having access to liquid capital is always where it is.

#48 froggy on 06.08.18 at 8:51 pm

let me tell you what i honestly think when tshtf it won’t be like any other it will have taken twice as long to get there but it will be like no other time in canadian history coast to coast and quebec won’t be the only one having a referendum to leave. it’s become a crummie country to live in where you need to scrap by to get ahead and pay what it should be in the year 2040 for many things you figure it out stay liquid

#49 Steve on 06.08.18 at 8:51 pm

The liberals under Kathleen were more interested in power than actually running the province. She will take responsibility for the lost just like the gas plants. Sorry doesn’t pay the people’s money back!
Hopefully we get a government that has a surplus since interest rates are rising.
I am a liberal and disgusted by my party.
Good luck, mr Ford

#50 acdel on 06.08.18 at 8:58 pm

I am not from Ontario, but after all, we are all Canadians.

The Libs have done such incredible damage to that Province which affects all of us in Canada. There are those that should be in jail for what they did to your province. Not a perfect choice to many of the recent results but at least you had the courage to try something new. That is inspiring.

The guy might surprise you! Good-luck to all of us…

#51 Entrepreneur on 06.08.18 at 8:59 pm

Had a gut feeling Ford would win, good for businesses and if he keeps to his blue colour word not a BS colour. But really glad the NDP is the opposition to note any wrongdoings and point it out to the public, a stronger opposition than the Liberals of which is more of the same as Conservatives. Also good on rejecting the carbon tax, another BS tax, a strong message to the Fed. Liberals.

As for the rising interest rates: should have happened “longtime ago” to make a healthy economy in a community not just in trade and in housing. Also, relying on long term debt is not the answer, playing with evil (another topic). And what right for anyone to cherry pick, change direction. Everyone should have the right to have dreams.

TGIF

#52 R Vanzo on 06.08.18 at 9:02 pm

I really don’t get the mentality of some of my millennial colleagues (I’m a millennial myself) that think they are entitled to other people’s money and think the government owns them stuff just because they are breathing. You want kids? Make sure one of you make enough money to support 3 people. You want a house? Save enough for a down payment and get a mortgage. Don’t expect anything from other people, except your family and friends (and sometimes not even from them).

#53 Democracy Is Mob Rule on 06.08.18 at 9:20 pm

#25 Nonplused on 06.08.18 at 7:22 pm

Now, if only we could find Someone who can channel the ghost of Preston Manning.

There is no way back from the debt mountain at this point.

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If Preston Manning had a deep voice and handsome face he would have been PM back in the day.

The Roman Empire defaulted on their debt. We will too.

#54 Chimingin on 06.08.18 at 9:20 pm

Pizza party at work today to celebrate the destruction of the liberals. Hard working private sector skilled tradespeople. Good to see them smiling.

#55 the ryguy on 06.08.18 at 9:23 pm

#13 Aspirant Maple Leaf Dweller – BC here I come.
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Nordics are geographically tiny countries with very homogeneous populations. Do some research on what has happened to the happiness of swedes in the last couple years when they enacted Canada’s immigration policy.

“The business credo and philosophy you espouse via the support for the economically illiterate and financially short-sighted Ford prospectus is so old and discredited that I am surprised you can recall it in such detail.”

You make this comment to Garth but then suggest that Canada and Norway should enact similar policies because it works for Norway. Not apples to apples and you’re either knowingly cherry picking examples or you don’t have the basic knowledge to see the difference.

#16 Stop lying, Garth on 06.08.18 at 6:20 pm
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Great, lets stop with the transfer payments then :)

38 Adam on 06.08.18 at 8:11 pm
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Can you give me an example of what damage to society Trump has done? You trump haters are literally fighting a media driven figment of your twisted imaginations.

#56 N on 06.08.18 at 9:24 pm

Average one-bedroom rent in May 2018, per PadMapper

Toronto: $2,080 (up 2 per cent from last month, 15.6 per cent from last year)

Barrie: $1,380 (up 3.8 per cent from last month, 15 per cent from last year)

Oshawa: $1,130 (up 4.6 per cent from last month, 15.3 per cent from last year)

Kitchener: $1,100 (up 1.9 per cent from last month, 13.4 per cent from last year)

Hamilton: $1,060 (down 0.9 per cent from last month, up 14 per cent from last year)

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/06/08/the-cost-of-rent-is-rising-fast-in-torontos-neighbouring-cities.html

#57 Lorne on 06.08.18 at 9:24 pm

#25 Nonplused
Hopefully Kenney can retake Alberta, it just doesn’t make sense for Alberta to have an NDP government. The only reason Nutely won in the first place was that the Wild Rose party and then Conservative party split the vote. If you add up the votes for those 2 parties in most ridings it was higher than what the NDP got. Now, with only one candidate on the ballot for each riding, punting the NDP should be a slam dunk.

The whole thing was a farce to begin with. Many of the NDP candidates had little to no political or business experience whatsoever. One of them wasn’t even done college and still had selfies with pot paraphernalia on her Facebook feed! Clearly people were voting for Nutely, not the candidate in their riding. So that means we’ve had a very “1 person” government since, with the Legislative Assembly nothing more than a rubber stamp.

So there is every possibility things will go back to the good ol’ days, with Edmonton voting Liberal and the rest of the province voting Conservative. That’s what happened last time too, not counting the split vote thing.

I think, though, the writing was on the wall as soon as the Wild Rose and Conservatives announced they were merging. There is no way from that point on the NDP could have expected to be anything more than a 1 term government. The only way they could have got 2 terms is by showing outstanding leadership in her first term. Instead they rammed through the hated carbon tax and put the “closed to business” sign on the province’s door.

Now, if only we could find the person to salvage the Federal Conservative party. Someone who can channel the ghost of Preston Manning. (Yes, I know he’s not dead but maybe he can lend his ghost out for a bit.)

Either way though, all voting Conservative does is mean that we will drive off the debt cliff in 3rd gear instead of 4th or 5th. There is no way back from the debt mountain at this point. No matter what GDP growth rate you forecast it won’t be enough. There aren’t enough politically acceptable cuts to the budget to make it happen aka Mulroney any more either. The debt will continue to rise no matter what until we reach the “Minsky Moment”. (That moment when the market suddenly realizes that the income from speculative investments is no longer sufficient to service the debt acquired to purchase them and lending stops. 2008 was one such moment. It can happen to government debt too. The first to go in Canada will probably be Ontario. At some point they won’t be able to meet the interest on their debt no matter what they do with taxes. But the other provinces aren’t far behind.)
……..
Have you ever considered a Sales Tax….LIKE EVERY OTHER PROVINCE IN CANADA, to help with your debt reduction!

#58 Yorkville Renter on 06.08.18 at 9:26 pm

#49 +1

I wish DoFo well, but would have far preferred CE to lead… then I wouldn’t have slightly vomitted when I voted. Among all the obvious issues with DoFo (listed in the post no less) is that i firmly believe DoFo expects backroom deals because he thinks thats how govt works, and it’s OK when it’s your people. Hope I’m wrong on that one.

#59 Shawn on 06.08.18 at 9:28 pm

Remember when the Harris govt won and succeeded Rae in 1995? What happened to USDCAD from 1995-2002?

Things often do not occur as anticipated.

#60 45north on 06.08.18 at 9:40 pm

The City of Ottawa and the new Conservative Provincial Government

Jim Watson, the mayor of Ottawa is very popular. Well respected. Before he became mayor he was a Liberal MPP. In fact he was in the cabinet. He’s going to miss the cosy relations he had with his buddies in cabinet.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/reevely-ottawa-moves-from-big-player-to-bit-player-at-ontarios-cabinet-table

#61 Gen Xer on 06.08.18 at 9:41 pm

Just another day in Doug Ford’s Ontario:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/5-taken-to-hospital-pepper-spray-1.4699315

Hate, racism, misogyny and trans-phobia will become worse in Ontario. The Pcs have candidates who openly advocates for a Holocaust against Jews and violence against Muslims.

If you think divisive politics are good for Ontario, maybe you have stocks in Underground Bunkers or those arms manufacturers for police and civil unrest.

Please name the Conservative MPPs who want a Holocaust against Jews and violence against Muslims. – Garth

#62 the Jaguar on 06.08.18 at 9:46 pm

Alberta. “Caution Ahead”. While I would agree that this province has historically elected PC governments, the demographic has really changed. Sorry all you folks who still like to envision the classic ‘Albertan’ stereotype, but the landscape (demographic) has really changed. And for the better, I think. Alberta has been attracting talent and young people from all over Canada and all over the world for decades now. Some return to their home provinces when economic cycles change (like now), but check the financial numbers. Even on its knees in a bad cycle Alberta is still a powerhouse economically. Innovative, new infrastructure,young workforce that attracts investment capital, etc. A significant number of voters to keep any over the top NDP intrusive policies at bay. All self evident. But understand something else. Despite all the cold/hard economic numbers that explain these statistics there is another factor present. Albertans like a hero and/or inspiring figure. Someone who is a fighter. And it might be that the majority of those have been from the PC party. (Lougheed). Or the likes of Ralph Klein. Times have changed. ‘Grit” is important in this province. And the current Premier has been tested like no other Premier in recent history. Oil & Gas business suddenly tanks, Jim Prentice dies in a plane crash just like her politician father, Fort Mac lights up on fire, Waterton Park lights up on fire, every goddam pipeline proposal in the country is rejected by every provincial government that has been supported by the prosperity of the province of Alberta. (Screw you Quebec and BC in case you missed the reference!) And she is still standing. And fighting like a wildcat! Not a towering or hugely charismatic figure, but we all know it is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog. Jason Kenny, like Stephen Harper before him, are not natural born Albertans. They are both from Ontario. Beware the Trojan Horse who arrives here for political and personal opportunity. I am a fiscal conservative ,with liberal social views, but times have changed and polarizing priorities based on political affiliation seems a bit old. Alberta, after a tough few years keeps moving forward. Motto: City of Calgary —-‘Onward’. We’ll see what happens.

#63 Nikki on 06.08.18 at 9:49 pm

We millenial women probably won’t get much sympathy on this site for it but a lot of us are really frustrated by the “men” available for dating and marriage. Theres a lot of vitriole about women wanting to nest etc but the view from here is not all rosy either. Only someone from this generation can say it like it is:

https://mamavirgo.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-men-what-happened-to-them-where.html

And that was 7 yrs ago. Let me tell you things have gotten worse since. Mamavirgo really nails down what 21st century males are like……

#64 Tactless on 06.08.18 at 10:10 pm

Without a NDP majority there will be no reset. Party goes on with the Cons but with different rules. Less taxes everywhere means more money to spend while rewarding the rich and hardworking. Look out lazy public sector employees, your time is up. The cuts are coming.

#65 IHCTD9 on 06.08.18 at 10:11 pm

Well, DF has his work cut out for him. The last time the Cons ran the province, our debt was 130 Billion; now after 15 years of Liberals going berserk – it’s 325 Billion.

He’s going to need a real pair of coconuts to make any progress at all, and he better strike while the iron is hot. We’ll see how he does.

In the meantime, progress at the IHCTD9 bunker will continue unabated. 4 years goes quick, and I’m going to need YEARS to gain back any trust in the Ontario voter again.

#66 Praireboy43 on 06.08.18 at 10:25 pm

Kenney and UCP will form majority Alberta government. The NDP will be kicked to the curb. Notley will become federal NDP leader post Fed election. Socialism peaked with Jack Layton. Pendulum has shifted rightward.
PB43

#67 Never Give Up on 06.08.18 at 10:37 pm

#63 Nikki – I have an idea for you, because its time to target your man. You might be looking in all the wrong places. Write down the three greatest passions in life that will be with you forever. It could be collecting something; a particular sport; travel adventure; or going to auction sales for antiques. He will be there, for example it could be the love of golfing or one who collects antiques, and so on.

#68 MSM-Free Zone on 06.08.18 at 10:51 pm

#33 Flat Earth Society on 06.08.18 at 7:44 pm
“…..Nordic countries have high standards of living because they have offshore oil and gas, not because of any social experiment miracle……”
_____________________________________

Wrong, Nordic countries have high standards of living because they saved for a rainy day, unlike four decades of Alberta Tory dynasty who saved for nothing.

As a former 20-year resident of Alberta under the dubious reign of various incompetent (C)onsevative huxters and charlatons, I’m not sure why any sane Alberta resident would crave a return to self-induced boom/bust cycles, especially under a fake “free markets” eastern Con like Jason Kenney, whose sole claim to fame is the flooding of the Alberta labour market, not to mention the entire country, with fast-tracked Temporary Foreign workers.

#69 Bob Dog on 06.08.18 at 10:56 pm

Damn.. sounds like someone is having a good day. When will Ontario privatize the 401? I hear Ontario Hydro was sold. Dumbwits.

In BC at least the hydro is 95% real hydro and run by the province.

#70 prairie person on 06.08.18 at 11:02 pm

Was just in Calgary. Sorry would be vultures, but the only evidence of financial hardship was a Mercedes that was covered in dust. lots of construction, lots of infrastructure being built, lots of trucks on the highway (as in business trucks). Lotsa lotsa. Must be a lot of federal money for hiway construction. Hwy 1 from Revelstoke. The bldg in Sask is overwhelming. Lots of highway work and houses being built in Manitoba.

#71 pay your taxes on 06.08.18 at 11:08 pm

#63 Nikki

We millenial women probably won’t get much sympathy on this site for it but a lot of us are really frustrated by the “men” available for dating and marriage. Theres a lot of vitriole about women wanting to nest etc but the view from here is not all rosy either. Only someone from this generation can say it like it is:

https://mamavirgo.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-men-what-happened-to-them-where.html

And that was 7 yrs ago. Let me tell you things have gotten worse since. Mamavirgo really nails down what 21st century males are like……

Xxxxxxxxxxxxx

I read the link. Make more money and hire a handyman. I felt immense pity for the father in that blog entry. He sounded to be little more than a slave to the women under his roof : it serves as a cautionary tale to young men.

The men that you desire do exist but marriage has little to offer them and carries immense risk. Tinder and Instagram are great ways to get the base needs taken care of and a dog makes a wonderful companion. Time spent with friends is precious and doesn’t carry the burdens and expectations that a LTR does.

Make more money or learn to fix/build things yourself. Self reliance is fine thing.

#72 Smartalox on 06.08.18 at 11:11 pm

I like the idea that peak socialism is behind us – at least for a generation. The apologies have been made, reparations paid, and rights signed into law. What more can there be to do?

Meanwhile a pipeline has been purchased, a trade war is afoot, and there are votes to be had on the centre right, in exchange for upping the TFSA limits, now that everyone is working again, and wages jumped up.

If the federal NDP is going to go left of left wing, let them go there and sound radical. If the Conservatives steer into the nativist populist ditch, there’ll be plenty of room up the middle.

That’s a big If, though: Doug Ford and Jason Kenney have little problem courting votes from minority communities – and Scheer, too, as opposed to Trump-style division. Too bad they’re just not pushing back hard enough to differentiate themselves from supporters who feel differently.

#73 Maxima on 06.08.18 at 11:24 pm

My opinion is that the Conservatives in Alberta and Ontario have too many sleazy, dishonest people in their party. I thought Harper was a very poor Prime Minister. I think Jason Kenney was the worst federal minister ever. Those who can do. Those who can’t go into politics. Also, businesses can afford paying a decent living wage to workers. Business gets too many write offs while other folks who are not in business pay all the taxes. Very unfair tax system which the Conservatives make even more unfair. This is my first post and it’s not a duplicate submission!!!

#74 SunShowers on 06.08.18 at 11:24 pm

For most, lower taxes. – Garth

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The people making minimum wage barely pay any income tax as it is because of the credits they receive and their low tax bracket, and yet they somehow remain poor.

Reducing their already minimal tax burden is not going to make an appreciable difference compared to raising their pay.

#75 Ted on 06.08.18 at 11:26 pm

Nikki im sure the shrill whining of women saying the men of their era are junk has been around longer than the written world. Compromise, lower your expecttions, or be contenr alone.

#76 MF on 06.08.18 at 11:33 pm

73 Maxima on 06.08.18 at 11:24 pm

My opinion is that your first post is comical.

Do some people live on a different planet?

Harper and Kenney led this country exceptionally. So well we didn’t even feel any of the 2008 meltdown that was ravaging the economies of almost everywhere else.

MF

#77 #61 - Gen Xer - Behold the Intellect of the Left on 06.08.18 at 11:37 pm

Hate, racism, misogyny and trans-phobia
Hate, racism, misogyny and trans-phobia
Hate, racism, misogyny and trans-phobia
Hate, racism, misogyny and trans-phobia
What colour is the sky in your world? Your pathetic politics reflect no part of the reality of my world – Canadians are good people and our society is something 90% of the world can only dream of.
*Drinking a champagne glass of liberal tears *

#78 MF on 06.08.18 at 11:39 pm

#63 Nikki on 06.08.18 at 9:49

Lol good women get scooped up early by good men.

A woman whose clock is ticking and is still single, and who complains about “men” has no one but herself to blame.

MF

#79 saskatoon on 06.08.18 at 11:53 pm

#74 SunShowers

people remain poor because they are self-absorbed with crap psychology.

#80 LP on 06.08.18 at 11:54 pm

#71 pay your taxes on 06.08.18 at 11:08 pm

If you’re looking for a “manly man” try being a “womanly woman”.

F71ON

#81 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.08.18 at 11:58 pm

BC’s unemployment rate is at 4.8%.
lowest in the country.
Despite raising the minimum rate.
Give credit to Horgan.

#82 El Joko on 06.09.18 at 12:36 am

Garth, I can’t believe you think the NDP are somehow responsible for high paying jobs not coming to Alberta.

Honestly, you know the pipeline situation and the very recent and tenuous oil price gains (FYI, it’s back below $70 again). For a guy so educated about so much else, for you to claim this is bordering on the deliberately disingenuous.

#83 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 12:37 am

#67 Never Give Up

Thanks Never. It’s not that I don’t do those things, but the guys who show up are mostly like the link I posted by Mamavirgo. I know I’m generlising, but their idea of being manly is wearing tight stretchy jeans and juvenile shoes that makes them look like a dweeb.

I thought it’s my luck but like minded friends have the same experience. Sigh.

#84 Overheardyou on 06.09.18 at 12:38 am

#63 Nikki on 06.08.18 at 9:49 pm
We millenial women probably won’t get much sympathy on this site for it but a lot of us are really frustrated by the “men” available for dating and marriage. Theres a lot of vitriole about women wanting to nest etc but the view from here is not all rosy either. Only someone from this generation can say it like it is:

https://mamavirgo.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-men-what-happened-to-them-where.html

And that was 7 yrs ago. Let me tell you things have gotten worse since. Mamavirgo really nails down what 21st century males are like……

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That’s cause all the real men found real women early on, got settled down and are off the market. Good things get picked up quick.

#85 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 12:39 am

#71 pay your taxes

Who said anything about marriage? Just finding someone to date is a chore.

You make everything sound like a business proposition, and a bitter one. I feel that attitude attracts women who approach the relationship the same way and from there it’s a race to the bottom. Is that even remotely satisfying emotionally? Do you know how to be intimate with someone? Maybe romace is really dead.

It’s not about not having money to hire a handyman. I am a professional, educated woman with a lot of credentials to offer and can take care of myself. Plus I know how to fix things, work on my house and my car and even helped my Dad build our first house. It seems all of that works against me not for me when dealing with guys clad in tight stretchy jeans who just know how to peck at their phones. Marriage is equally risky for us too.

#86 For those about to flop... on 06.09.18 at 12:45 am

I guess I’ll try and do my good deed for the day and try and draw a bit of attention to this house since it is an Estate sale that is struggling.

4852 Woodglen Court, Burnaby

May 23:$1,699,000
Jun 7: $1,499,000
Change: – 200000.00 -12%

They didn’t even try to get close to assessment to start off with, as it comes in at 1.86 ,which means now it is on the market for 20% less than assessed.

For the people on the blog that can’t see prices melting in Vancouver,two choices.

Read my posts more carefully.

Look harder yourselves.

Just don’t be a Mr Magoo…

M43BC

https://www.zolo.ca/burnaby-real-estate/4852-woodglen-court

#87 Nonplused on 06.09.18 at 1:59 am

#57 Lorne

Thanks for quoting my whole post, Garth won’t let me post them twice.

“Have you ever considered a Sales Tax….LIKE EVERY OTHER PROVINCE IN CANADA, to help with your debt reduction!”

We are well past the point where raising taxes is the answer or even an answer. People don’t have any money!!! If raising taxes was always the answer, why not just have a poll tax of $100,000 per head per year? Oh ya, people can’t pay it. They can’t pay the sales tax either or they run out of money at the end of the month and go deeper and deeper into debt, which is what’s happening.

All a sales tax does is transfer the debt from the government to the people. This is what the charts show.

#88 Jeff on 06.09.18 at 2:01 am

Alberta has changed. Jason Kenney probably won’t win the next election. Here’s ten reasons why….
http://www.poletical.com/jason-kenney-could-lose.php

#89 Nonplused on 06.09.18 at 2:08 am

#63 Nikki

Why are you worried or even thinking about men? They are just monkeys that ride motorcycles, you need not worry about them at all unless you dangerously cut one off in traffic (that makes them angry).

“A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.”
– Gloria something or other I can’t remember. Weather looks nice tomorrow so I’m going for a ride.

#90 Nonplused on 06.09.18 at 2:12 am

#68 MSM-Free Zone

Remember the Heritage Trust Fund? Alberta saved for a rainy day too. Regardless, you can’t save if you don’t have any money. The Nordic countries have offshore oil and gas and that is all there is to the discussion. There is nothing else to see there.

#91 Andrey GolubSi on 06.09.18 at 2:13 am

But when average house prices begin to go flat, it is reasonable that some buyers will exhibit greater caution. When markets are turning, no one wants to be the person who pays the highest price. Nobody wants to be the greatest fool.

#92 Nonplused on 06.09.18 at 2:18 am

#62 the Jaguar

Nutely sat on her hands while Fort Mac burned. She was in a bar celebrating 1 year in office. Her “leadership” will not soon be forgotten. She has zero chance at a second term now that the conservatives are not split. She should probably know that and not bother to run.

#93 NEVER GIVE UP on 06.09.18 at 2:36 am

#67 Never Give Up on 06.08.18 at 10:37 pm

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No one ever copied my handle before!

#67 What motivates you to do this?

#94 Smoking Man on 06.09.18 at 3:24 am

How I roll.

https://youtu.be/x7bIbVlIqEc

#95 Myra Andrews on 06.09.18 at 4:17 am

Greater Vancouver Stats from realtor Paul Boenisch

June 8 New 202 Sold 108 TI:12271
June 7 New 232 Sold 117 TI; 12,226
June 6 New 295 Sold 156 TI: 12,154
June 5 New 359 Sold 101 TI: 12,105
June 4 New 376 Sold 117 TI: 11,942

June 1 New 224 Sold 105 TI: 11,817

Inventory at the end of:
May- 11,975
April- 10,459
March- 9,032
Feb- 8,211

#96 Adrian on 06.09.18 at 6:01 am

Come on, Garth, I thought we went over this. Sovereign deficits that hold the Debt-to-GDP ratio constant are necessary for the smooth functioning of Capitalism.

Banks have to have positive equity or they’re bankrupt, and Capitalism needs growth in private debt to function (the only three times that USA private debt growth turned negative were in 1837, 1929, & 2008). But if private Debt-to-GDP rises – & basically every recovery since the end of WW2 has started from a higher level of private debt – then positive bank equity comes at the expense of pushing all the non-bank sectors into negative equity.

Sovereign government debts allow the banks to maintain positive equity while non-bank entities are also able to accumulate over time, without entire sectors of the economy being driven bankrupt.

Professor Steve Keen explains in “How Austerity Works” on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/0y5rP56OX78

I know you’re playing politics because you see its connection to economics (Marx would commend you!), but please stop pushing tired old neo-classical misunderstandings about the economy. The 2008 financial crisis proved it’s bulls#!+, so it’s time we all learned some empirically valid economics.

#97 maxx on 06.09.18 at 6:45 am

If Doug Ford does a half-decent job, it will no doubt help punt the federal Liberals out next election.

#98 dharma bum on 06.09.18 at 7:48 am

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#99 SimplyPut7 on 06.09.18 at 8:10 am

#71 pay your taxes on 06.08.18 at 11:08 pm
#85 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 12:39 am

#71 you are partly right, young men don’t desire to get married early anymore and the ones that do are marrying their high school, college, or university sweethearts.

But the Tinder dating is a young man’s game, eventually, that young man starts to age, and the young women who were looking for marriage get married and the women left playing the game, are older (and don’t look like the pretty young women he used to chase) and know the game better than he does.

Most of those men were never going to be the marrying/long-term relationship type, even when they tell friends and family they are ready to settle down, in the back of their head they are still trying to get the pretty naive young woman who is looking for prince charming.

Nikki sounds smart enough to stay away from these guys, as most women do as they get into their late 20s.

Nikki the manly handyman you want does exist, but he got married a long time ago. Men who like to work with their hands are usually not the ones who needed to go to university or college for 4-7 years and then try to build their career from the ground up. Well-paying trade jobs finish training by age 22-24. After that these men know who they are, where they are going and start to make decent money and look for a wife in their mid to late 20s.

Some tips:
First, #71 is right, you need to be the one in the relationship doing the handy work, very few men who are still single will know how to build a house.

Second, you don’t sound like you are 25, then men you are trying to meet are not looking for a date, they are looking for a wife. Men who work with their hands professionally or as a hobby, enjoy the simpler things in life such as spending time with family and friends. Dating casually with no commitment are things young people because they are not ready to settle down or older corporate professionals do when they are like the men described in #71: date to have sex but rather be out with the boys or spend time with their dog.

The men you are interested in are not interested in a date, you have to decide what you want out of life. While women have more choices than 50 years go in terms of working outside of the home and being more financially independent, nothing really has changed domestically for them. All of my female friends working as corporate professionals or holding masters degree in health sciences, teachers, doctors, lawyers – they do most of the chores and raising the kids. If they end up having a lot of kids, which in this day and age is anything more than 3, they are the ones expected to give up their corporate job to stay home with the kids and raise them. The decisions in the family may be made together as equal partners but women still do most of the work when it comes to looking after the home and raising the kids.

Sorry, this idea of the masculine handyman who will be domesticated is just a fantasy. You have to figure out what you are willing to compromise on before you even get into any relationship. Are you going to be a wife knowing you are going to be the one making most of the sacrifices in terms of career moves and looking after the household for the sake of the family, or are you just the girlfriend, babysitting some man that bores you and reminds you that you would rather spend time with your dog or go out with family or friends than him.

Third, you sound bitter. You need to be a bit more optimistic and positive about your journey in your dating life, I have been to many weddings with women who married late in life, some found love online, some were set up by friends. But it feels like you would start to sound like your comments on this blog after 30 minutes on your first date with a new guy and you will chase away the handyman (the few that are left) and even the tinder guy if you start opening up about how it’s hard to find a handy masculine guy. Let your family and friends know what you are looking for, people do still get set up this way and/or try different dating sites, where you can be specific as to what you are looking for – but be realistic, maybe ask for help on Reddit, the men on this blog are not really into giving advice on relationships.

Good luck out there.

#100 Ponzius Pilatus on 06.09.18 at 8:12 am

The Swiss will hold the Vollgeld Referendum this weekend.
Direct democracy in action.
https://www.ft.com/content/d27b000e-6810-11e8-8cf3-0c230fa67aec

#101 Renter's Revenge! on 06.09.18 at 8:17 am

#63 Nikki on 06.08.18 at 9:49 pm

That post you linked to sounds about as misandrist as those Red Pill sites sound misogynist (e.g. women are too emotional to make any rational decisions or follow through on long term plans, etc. – you probably don’t agree with that, right?). For every site that complains that men aren’t manly anymore, there’s probably 10 sites complaining that women aren’t feminine anymore. That doesn’t mean they’re right, though. Most of it just sounds like bitter, angry generalizations about the opposite sex written by people who haven’t been on date in a long time.

The thing is, you’ll never find someone if you decide ahead of time that you hate all men.

The problem is, there’s a always going to be a few bad apples in the bunch, and when you get to a certain age, you start to find that most people who are still single are single for a reason. Usually it’s a really crappy personality, or they have no respect for those opposite sex. I can attest to that. It’s the same for both men and women.

That doesn’t necessarily mean you’re one of the bad apples, though. You could be a good one, and just had really bad luck in dating. The most important thing is to stop using the internet. It will really mess with your mind if spend too much time on it!

Don’t give up hope! And when you get tired of the sissy boys in Toronto (or whatever big, metrosexual city you live in) come to Winnipeg. We’re all manly here.

#102 Bytor the Snow Dog on 06.09.18 at 8:43 am

#61 Gen Xer on 06.08.18 at 9:41 pm sez:

“If you think divisive politics are good for Ontario, maybe you have stocks in Underground Bunkers or those arms manufacturers for police and civil unrest.”

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Divisive politics are horrible anywhere. That’s why for the first time I have voted PC. The Liberals and the NDP cornered the market on divisive politics.

Of course, for you SJW’s, I suspect it’s about who’s ox is being gored…

#103 The Boulder on 06.09.18 at 9:21 am

NDP wins, they would raise property tax and wealth tax, don’t invest in housing. PC wins, this was cause certainity in intrest rate hike, don’t invest in housing.
No matter who wins, housing is not for investment.

#104 DLee on 06.09.18 at 9:27 am

#74 SunShowers on 06.08.18 at 11:24 pm
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Minimum wage should be a persons starting point, not the end game. Figure out why you are still earning minimum wage and determine what you can do to improve it; more schooling? work harder? add value that others don’t? Everyone is good at SOMETHING, figure out what that is and become the BEST at it. Most people will pay more money for a better product/service.

#105 LivinLarge on 06.09.18 at 9:46 am

Get your calendar out and get ready to mark it.

3 weeks to the day after Dougie unpacks his bong, puts his feet up on the Premier’s desk and announces his first cabinet, the newly minted finance minister will be standing in front of the cameras with a dour expression telling us somberly that the the financial state of the province is soooooo much worse than anyone ever anticipated that none of the “make it up as you go” promises Dougie made can be rolled out for years to come…on and there may just have to be a tax hike too.

It happens EVERY time there’s such a radical regime shift. It’s clockwork.

None of those wonderful “happy days are here again” promises are ever coming our way…well at least for the average middle class Ontarian.

#106 Ace Goodheart on 06.09.18 at 9:54 am

RE: Bring it on: What people need is financial literacy. It is not taught in schools. We have a population who believes that the stock market is risky and dangerous, that pooled investments like ETFs are a fringe item, unsafe to hold and not a mainstream way of holding your money, that real estate is the best retirement plan and that the best way to save money is a savings account or a GIC.

It is incredibly easy to value a company. Give me a few hours with the annual report and the financials, I can tell you what the stock is worth, whether it is over priced or under priced, and what the stock will do over the next six months to a year. This is not a skill and I am not a magician. It is a simple logical exercise that could be taught to an eight grader. It is just that no one teaches it, you have to learn it yourself and when you understand it, everyone mocks you and says you are lying about knowing how to do this.

There are a very few companies that will defy me in terms of being able to be valued. One of those companies is Tesla (by my reckoning, it is bankrupt, should not exist as a functioning entity, has a share value that is not supported by its metrics, and appears to keep functioning as a going concern by virtue of the CEO’s ability to use “pixie dust” to dull the masses into believing his hype and smoke and mirrors, and to give him more money so he can keep running his bankrupt company).

Some companies will be like Tesla, unexplainable and defying all valuation methods. I avoid those companies and have nothing to do with them at all. They are dangerous to short, and dangerous to own.

But 99% of the stuff out there can easily be valued, and as long as a person keeps up, there will be no problems.

#107 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.09.18 at 9:55 am

@#94 Myra Andrews
“May- 11,975
April- 10,459
March- 9,032
Feb- 8,211”
+++++
Van listings climbing by about 1500/month.
Interesting
Lets see what happens in July when interest rates rise and panic sets in

#108 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.09.18 at 10:08 am

@Nikki

You know your “Manly Man Radar” is desperately out of calibration when you ‘re complaining about the pathetic relationship scene on the Greaterfool Financial advice Blog.
Not to worry.
I’m sure there’s a clean shaven, tattoo free, nonFacebook, nonTwitter, non Player out there with dirty hands and a clean mouth…….texting relentlessly in his phone while ignoring the entire planet….

Just not sure this is the place to find them.

#109 IHCTD9 on 06.09.18 at 10:19 am

None of those wonderful “happy days are here again” promises are ever coming our way…well at least for the average middle class Ontarian.
——

Good, we don’t need any more happy days. What Ontario needs is an @sskicking party. Someone needs to start getting our spending in line with our revenues.

I’m not feeling too confident that DF or the OV really want that job done.

#110 Sue on 06.09.18 at 10:24 am

Garth is #63 ok with you. You may want to read the link. Talk about reverse dscrimination. I didnt read the whole thing but i think if what i read were turned around and used ‘women’ Could you imagine the backlask. All you men out there there are alot of us who dont feel this way. It is a tough go for any white males out there. All women are not that batshit crazy and bitter. Ignore the nutbar

#111 After Communism on 06.09.18 at 10:47 am

Garth is not right-wing, per #16. He is Liberal party, abortion, homosexual-marriage, relatively high taxation, social-stealing from the Christian and conservative viewpoint, and for equality and “people are people”, which is the French revolution, égalité, Liberté, fraternité, which is Jacobin, and a communist-atheist foundational concept, exactly opposed to conservative teaching of the day, and he is globalist which is semi-capitalist, semi-communist, also not right wing.

Actually I am a Progressive Conservative and like dogs more than people. – Garth

#112 IHCTD9 on 06.09.18 at 10:54 am

#85 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 12:39 am
#71 pay your taxes

Who said anything about marriage? Just finding someone to date is a chore.

You make everything sound like a business proposition, and a bitter one. I feel that attitude attracts women who approach the relationship the same way and from there it’s a race to the bottom. Is that even remotely satisfying emotionally? Do you know how to be intimate with someone? Maybe romace is really dead.

It’s not about not having money to hire a handyman. I am a professional, educated woman with a lot of credentials to offer and can take care of myself. Plus I know how to fix things, work on my house and my car and even helped my Dad build our first house. It seems all of that works against me not for me when dealing with guys clad in tight stretchy jeans who just know how to peck at their phones. Marriage is equally risky for us too.
———

I see two of your problems I think:

1. You had a real Man for a Dad. Women tend to measure their love interest against their Father figure. If you compare your desires in a Husband against the qualities your Father displayed, you’ll probably see a lot of parallels.

2. You probably live in a big city? They are full of the soft handed, don’t know how to change a tire, Tinder account types. I’ve seen a few of these guys in action, and pathetic is the word. The one guy I just wanted to kick in the @ss. Totally unable to deal with minor unexpected curve balls.

Good luck out there, you seem to be after the typical male of the 1950’s, that is setting the bar pretty high on several fronts. When I get to know a Man who I come to really respect, it seems like they’re always 60+ years old. It’s enough to even get us Men depressed.

#113 Surf City on 06.09.18 at 11:08 am

#93 Smoking Man on 06.09.18 at 3:24 am

How I roll.

https://youtu.be/x7bIbVlIqEc

Well I’ll pass the bar on the way
To my dingy hotel room
I spent all my money
Been drinkin’ since a half past noon
I’ll wake there in the mornin’
Or maybe in the county jail
Times are hard getting harder
I’m born to lose and destined to fail

Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain
I’m lonely and I’m tired
And I can’t take any more pain
Take away, take away
Never to return again
Take away, take away
Take away this ball and chain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWjehpGSO0

#114 Dissident: empty promises on 06.09.18 at 11:32 am

Lol there isn’t going to be 10 cents cheaper gas, per Doug Ford’s empty promise(s). Haven’t people learned from Trump’s trade war? The retailer will simply increase the price to what they want to sell it at, add ten cents to that, and then subtract those ten cents for the illusion of savings. So ridiculous. That was an empty election promise which has zero results for people. Surprise: you’re not saving anything. But then again, this is not a surprise since Doug Ford is destroying the value of his family company by the millions, and doesn’t even have a costed platform. Smoke and mirrors, people, smoke and mirrors. You won’t save a thing.

#115 Oft deleted much maligned stock picker on 06.09.18 at 11:40 am

Oh puleeeeze. Wages went up with the manipulation of $14 wages….a one time thing. That’s not a lock on a rate hike for Poloz. How can anyone believe that everything’s rosy with billions leaving , Trudeau spending, jobs diving? A recent study says that the hourly wage jump has actually lost more jobs than jobs vacated by employers. And have you seen what’s happened to challenged and disabled workers.. gone….can’t work because the social centers they worked at can’t possibly increase the pay from $5 an hour to $14.

But hey…here’s a real issue…QQQ or XLI?

#116 Smoking Man on 06.09.18 at 11:40 am

Smoking in a non smoking room.

It’s what I do. Epic hangover.

Recharge at the flamingo pool. Live on periscope when the drunk girls show up.
@smokingman.

#117 MF on 06.09.18 at 11:58 am

11 IHCTD9 on 06.09.18 at 10:5

Don’t feed the trololol IH.

Everything you stated can be said of modern women as well.

A lot of guys want a 1950’s good wife as well.

The stuff about guys in the cities you wrote is BS and anecdotal and you bit the bait.

Biology is destiny.

Men value:

Fertility (younger, fit body) and a feminine persona (loving caring).

If a woman can’t find a good man she usually lacks one of the above.

MF

#118 conan on 06.09.18 at 12:06 pm

#113 Dissident: empty promises on 06.09.18 at 11:32 am

I agree with you. People voted Doug Ford to eradicate the Kathleen.

She took the Liberal Party of Ontario too far left, and the Liberal voters, fleeing the carnage, are not going to vote NDP.

And here we are with Doug. Who may be a Harper puppet.

(sounds of nails being scratched along chalk board)

#119 MF on 06.09.18 at 12:21 pm

#117 conan on 06.09.18 at 12:06 pm

Harper was great. Hopefully Ford is like him as you said.

And the NDP is too far left for Liberal voters even. The NDP bump won’t last as the Liberals rebuild. This will take years though so get ready for about a decade of PC rule.

MF

#120 LivinLarge on 06.09.18 at 12:23 pm

If you’re going to spew stuff like “A recent study says that the hourly wage jump has actually lost more jobs than jobs vacated by employers.” then publish the link to the study as well.

#121 LivinLarge on 06.09.18 at 12:28 pm

“Minimum wage should be a persons starting point, not the end game. Figure out why you are still earning minimum wage and determine what you can do to improve it; more schooling? work harder?” there “shouldn’t be nasty people stealin’ and a hurting fine folks of Mayberry either but there are.

Must feel great in Stepford.

#122 Reynolds531 on 06.09.18 at 1:10 pm

I never understood the hate for Mike Harris. I recall him him doing what he said he’d do.

#123 Housing Crash 101 on 06.09.18 at 1:13 pm

#23 The Dood

Yes you are right but anyone under mid 40s doesn’t get this. It’s so simple. Sales drop off, listings bloat, prices fall. To all you young people, don’t buy now or you are going to look like an idiot when you are under water in a few months or drowning in a year or 2. Even worse for those of you who have a mortgage coming up for renewal. There’s nothing wrong with renting. People think it’s throwing money away but that’s because a)they don’t have a calculator or b) they don’t know how to use a calculator. Garth has told you this so many times. Having the flexibility to move for job opportunities or traveling the World trumps being a slave to a mortgage for THE REST OF YOUR LIVES unless you win the lottery. Have a talk with yourself. Buying a house right now is moronic.

#124 AGuyInVancouver on 06.09.18 at 1:15 pm

“Cowboy Dippers have not slapped on all those housing taxes their socialist brethren in BC love,…”
___

Well, no kidding, because who really wants to move to Calgary or Edmonton, unless it is for work? Without a booming economy, there’s hardly a flood of people wanting to get in.

#125 crowdedelevatorfartz on 06.09.18 at 1:24 pm

@#97 dharma Bum
“moga
mogA
moGA
mOGA
MOGA
MOGA MOGA MOGA”
+++++
I think it would sound better if we chanted it like John Belushi in “Animal House” a la “Toga” party
Mo- GAH , Mo-GAH, Mo-GAH

#126 NoName on 06.09.18 at 1:25 pm

@Nikki

This
is exactly what ithcd9 is talking about.

https://imgur.com/a/029IU5t

#127 conan on 06.09.18 at 1:35 pm

Harper was great. Hopefully Ford is like him as you said.
– MF

I said the opposite of that. Harper would be equal to an hostile invasion.

https://youtu.be/F_kLzbWyvWQ?t=20

#128 NDP Leader on 06.09.18 at 2:01 pm

He agrees with Trump, and says its ok to rip up the NAFTA, and then we can make a deal. This clown must live in Neverland.

#129 Doughberman on 06.09.18 at 2:03 pm

#116 MF on 06.09.18 at 11:58 am
11 IHCTD9 on 06.09.18 at 10:5

Don’t feed the trololol IH.

Everything you stated can be said of modern women as well.

A lot of guys want a 1950’s good wife as well.

The stuff about guys in the cities you wrote is BS and anecdotal and you bit the bait.

Biology is destiny.

Men value:

Fertility (younger, fit body) and a feminine persona (loving caring).

If a woman can’t find a good man she usually lacks one of the above.

MF

___________

This is a very immature point of view. Great people fit many descriptions, not just younger and fit. Not everyone wants a young gymnast.

You are a very narrow minded individual. I suspect you are very concerned and often preoccupied with how others see you, especially your parents.

I found his notes on the type of men taking over the city lately to be accurate. Obviously one of them wouldn’t be able to recognize it…

#130 NoName on 06.09.18 at 2:03 pm

Hey SM how do yu read this picture???

https://imgur.com/a/O1fF5ww

#131 KLNR on 06.09.18 at 2:45 pm

@#118 MF on 06.09.18 at 12:21 pm
#117 conan on 06.09.18 at 12:06 pm

Harper was great. Hopefully Ford is like him as you said.
________________
LOL, i wish Ford was like harper and no harper was anything but great.

#132 Barb on 06.09.18 at 3:08 pm

Received this as an email, reportedly written anonymously by a law student. Sorry about its length, but there was no link.

I’d vote for THIS person in a heartbeat!

DIVORCE AGREEMENT (presumably since T2 and Horgan were elected)
Dear Canadian liberals, leftists, B.C. social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Castro supporters, et al:

We have stuck together for 150 years for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of Canada cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

HERE IS OUR SEPARATION AGREEMENT:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. We will settle for less landmass if we get the right portion, which must include Alberta & Saskatchewan.

That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy given the favouritism divide.

Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

–We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You can also keep the Carbon Tax.
–You are welcome to the liberal judges, CUPE and UNIFOR.
–Since you hate guns, and war, we’ll take our firearms, the police, and the military.
–We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.
–You can keep Butts, Barbie, Shannon & Suzuki. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all four of them.
–We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, the farmers, Wal-Mart and the TSE.
–You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food vouchers, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.
–We’ll keep the greedy CEO’s and rednecks.
–You can have the peaceniks, the pipeline protesters, and anti-everything economically beneficial crowd.
— When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide security.
–We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
–You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, peoplekind, political correctness and Mr Dress Up. You can also have our share of the U.N. We will no longer be paying any part of that bill.
–We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt, Tesla and Leaf you can find.
–You can give everyone free and regulated everything healthcare…. if you can find any practicing doctors.
–We’ll keep “God Save the Queen” and “The Old National Anthem words.”
–I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”or “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, with “Kum Ba Ya” or “We Are the World”.
–We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
–Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our language, the war memorials and the Queens picture.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberals and socialists. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
Sincerely, Anonymous Law Student

P.S. Also, please only invite Leonard DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, and Hanoi Jane Fonda to your portion of landmass.
P.S.S. And you won’t have to press 1 for English when you call our country.”

#133 conan on 06.09.18 at 3:40 pm

#131 Barb on 06.09.18 at 3:08 pm

That reads like the Manifesto of the Stupid Horse Society. The same people who blamed The Liberals for not building to Tide water. Word on the farm is that the SHS never wanted that pipe line built in the first place.

Some kind of discount deal with the chickens.

#134 Smudgekin on 06.09.18 at 4:09 pm

Today’s post reads blog Captain elated Tories won. Take that steerage. Now hear this: T2 stuck between two fat bastards.

#135 Robert on 06.09.18 at 4:34 pm

Qantitative Easing = Currency Devaluation
Nuff said.

#136 soost on 06.09.18 at 4:56 pm

wait… so are ontario lows still in the rearview?

#137 Dan on 06.09.18 at 4:59 pm

Is this an orgy of neocons, or what?

#138 Tony on 06.09.18 at 7:57 pm

Re: #19 Zero Hedge strategy on 06.08.18 at 6:26 pm

When it all goes down it’ll look more like ’29 than 2008.

#139 Ace Goodheart on 06.09.18 at 8:53 pm

RE: ” I…like dogs more than people. – Garth”

Can’t argue with that.

This Fordsie landslide has popped my apartment REITs something fierce. Talk about peak value. So glad I bought them back when peeps figured rent control would destroy Ontario.

The ability to predict the results of elections (Ontario is easy) helps with investing decisions.

#140 Chris on 06.09.18 at 8:58 pm

“Wall to wall deficits” if the NDP got in? Everybody needs to check out how deficits soar here in Canada when right-wingers get in power, similar to what happens in the States when Republicans are voted in. It’s funny how gullible people are at swallowing that myth. And yet not that funny, really . . .

#141 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 10:39 pm

#111 IHCTD9

Thank you for your response. My frustration came through in my post (and I think the author’s too in the link I posted about 21st century men). But you looked past it with your thoughtful reply.

Consciously I’m not looking for a father figure. Subconsciously, by definition I don’t know. I thought it was interesting how so many posters thought my life would fall apart without a partner or I necessarily want a man who’s handy or is in the trades. Are there no guys left who can do things with their hands unless they’re in the trades? Garth in his position wasn’t above sweeping the patio, why are guys far, far less accomplished above even simple manual things and horrible at it even when they try?

Yes, I am in a city that is in the top 10 in terms of size, and I think you’re right that this doesn’t help. I’ll be 32 next September, and am COO of a medium sized computer/IT company, with a degree in engineering and an MBA in finance. Left my parents’ home at 18, worked hard to be where I am and know how to stand on my feet.

I’m not looking for the mirror image of myself, either financially, education wise or otherwise. But is asking for a man who knows how to work hard and takes accountability for himself, and doesn’t wear ridiculous looking tinyStan Laurel suit, too much?

My preference would be to share my life with a kindred spirit, like my parents have or Garth and his lovely wife have. But like my other women in my position, I can and will if needed live my life without a significant other and won’t turn into humpty dumpty. Frankly, looking at the number of professionals coming out of universitites it is young men who should worry more than young women.

As for other responses, those who meant well, thank you. The others, let’s just say I now know why Garth says not to read the comments – including mine :).

#142 Al on 06.10.18 at 2:00 am

“And wall-to-wall deficits for four years.

That’s still going to happen with Premier DeWalt.

I’m waiting for those sweet tax cuts with no reduction to services nor increased damage to the environment. The government coffers are going to be overflowing due to increased tax revenue from increased business in Ontario. The government will run lean and mean, further reducing the spending. Hydro rates will come down so much we will be running our pools through winter. Well finally be able to upgrade to a full size SUV from our most popular midsize ones due to the gas tax cut, as we damn well should when driving one person to work everyday on overcrowded highways, or maybe just driving them to the mailbox. The Hydro CEO will definately get fired and that will bring all their salaries in line with whatever we think they should get paid for running a massive company. A better manner of dealing with climate change will be introduced, much better than the current cap and trade, and will obviously be less of a financial burden to everyone. He will cut costs without cutting services (why don’t the other parties think of that, its so obvious and easy to do), increase revenues by decreasing taxes (this always works in every situation). All this without a specific plan atm. It will be magical.

#143 Prince Polo on 06.10.18 at 11:18 am

#140 Nikki on 06.09.18 at 10:39 pm
Are there no guys left who can do things with their hands unless they’re in the trades? Garth in his position wasn’t above sweeping the patio, why are guys far, far less accomplished above even simple manual things and horrible at it even when they try?

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Maybe you can sign up for wood-working classes in your city? It would be like junior high shop class all over again, but without immature knucklehe….er, never mind.