Orange crush

Will the Dippers take Ontario? Polls now say the NDP has a shot at winning in a couple of weeks. The so-called ‘Tory Tumble’ is stunning. Just like the way reigning Libs will be punted to the curb – unless people are lying to the pollsters.

What does this mean? Why’s it happening?

If the orange guys get the keys in early June Canada will have socialist leaderships in three of the biggest provinces accounting for 67.5% of the entire economy. Included will be all of the national real estate bubble and (outside of Montreal) every significant housing market. This has never happened before and would constitute a serious move to the left by the electorate.

Interestingly, the Conservative collapse is most notable now in the 905 ring of the GTA, where Doug Ford thought his core support lay. Nope. Seems 36% of those stressed-out suburbanites in their seven-figure particleboard-and-glue palaces say they’re NDPers. Plus, gender politics has come into play. Most men are blue. Most women hate Ford. And everybody wants change.

What would an NDP win mean in Ontario (and the rest of the country)? Here are some highlights, taken from the Andrea Horwath platform:

“We will make housing more affordable to Ontarians with a speculation tax.”

Yes, the worst of BC real estate policy could be coming to Ontario. “Housing speculation and flipping are driving up housing prices,” says the NDP platform, ignoring the real causes. “We will implement a new speculation tax that will not be limited to foreign buyers. It will be based on British Columbia’s Speculation Tax, and will apply in the regions where the Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST) applies. While the NRST applies only on sales, our anti-speculation tax will apply annually. It will be targeted toward foreign and domestic speculators who do not pay tax in Ontario.”

In other words, a yearly tax on any non-Ontarian owning property in the swatch of land holding most of the population, regardless of whether they live in Canada or elsewhere. It has nothing to do with ‘speculation’ or ‘flipping’, of course. No impact on affordability. But the rabble won’t get it.

“Andrea Horwath and the NDP will roll back Liberal corporate-income-tax giveaways”

In the same year Donald Trump goosed the US economy by cutting company taxes by a third, the NDP would raise Ontario corporate taxes by 13% – from a rate of 11.5% to 13%. Apparently letting businesses make money so they can expand and hire people is a really dumb idea, since we would all be better off working for the government. The Horwath team would also expand employer health tax premiums plus a business education tax.

“Asking the wealthiest Ontarians to contribute more”

People in Ontario who make a lot of money (over $230,000) already have a marginal tax rate of 53%, which means they give up more in tax than they keep. But that’s not enough. “Ontarians earning more than $220,000 will see their income tax increase by one percentage point, while people earning above $300,000 will see their marginal rate increase by two percentage points.” And they’re going after all those expensive realtor-owned Audis, too. As in BC (the current NDP nirvana), there will be a surcharge – “a modest luxury tax” – on cars sold for more than $90,000.

$15 an hour is just the starting point.

On Planet NDP, the workplace is a battleground between employer and employee – not a place to get along and succeed. So the minimum wage would immediately jump to $15 an hour, then be indexed annually with the cost of living. With modest 2%, in five years the minimum would be almost $17, and meanwhile all full-time employees would be mandated to receive “at least” three weeks paid vacation.

More taxes, more spending. An anti-business bias with seemingly little regard for competitiveness, job creation or productivity. But, we get free drugs. Free tuition. Child care. More government, more overhead. It’s a formula to curl the toes of fiscal conservatives, but (if polls don’t lie) one that most want.

Or do they?

Almost all elections are about change now, not policy. People vote against existing leaders, not necessarily for the new ones. In Ontario (as in BC) the establishment Liberals are held responsible for every woe, from crazy house prices to crappy jobs for Millennials to high energy costs and $1,800-per-month daycare bills. Tory leader Doug Ford, brother of the rebel, crack-smoking former mayor of Toronto, is a scary dude to many people (especially women, it turns out), and his party seems like it would have a hard time organizing a sock drawer. So, bingo, NDP.

You have two weeks to prepare.

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#1 Victoria Real Estate Update on 05.22.18 at 4:49 pm

TRUE OR FALSE (searching for a grain of truth in the unsubstantiated claims of Vancouver Island agents)

* “Victoria is a west coast city. Everybody wants to live on the west coast. This keeps demand for real estate hot and prices climbing every year. House prices might fall in other cities, but not in Victoria or other west coast cities. If you live on the west coast all you have to do is get into the housing market, somehow, some way and you’ll be permanently ecstatic as the value of your property soars higher and higher year after year.”

False. Hundreds of years of world housing bubble history proves that all price-bloated cities where household debt has reached perilous levels go through major market corrections. And this happens in every price-bloated city – coastal or not.

The American market correction, as one of history’s many examples, demonstrated that “desirable” coastal cities are not immune to the deep price reversion that follows the extreme price run-up in bubble cities.

Price declines from peak during the American correction (with data from the Case Shiller Index and the All-Transactions House Price Index): (link)

WEST COAST CITIES (where “house prices never fall”)

* San Francisco, California
Price decline: – 45% (in 3 short years)

* San Diego, California
Price decline: – 42%

* Los Angeles, California
Price decline: – 41%

INLAND CITIES (far away from the “correction-proof” west coast)

* Shreveport, Louisiana
Price decline: – 1%

* Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Price decline: – 2%

* Fargo, North Dakota
Price decline: – 2%

* Davenport, Iowa: (- 2%), * Texarkana, Arkansas: (- 2%),
* Amarillo, Texas: (- 2%), * Cedar Rapids, Iowa: (- 2%),
* Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: (- 3%), * San Antonio, Texas: (- 4%),
* Lexington, Kentucky: (- 4%), * Little Rock, Arkansas: (- 4%),
* Wichita, Kansas: (- 4%), Sioux Falls, South Dakota: (- 4%),
* Austin, Texas: (- 4%), * Omaha, Nebraska: (- 5%),
* Tulsa, Oklahoma: (- 5%), * Louisville, Kentucky: (- 6%),
* Indianapolis, Indiana: (- 7%), * Des Moines, Iowa: (- 7%),
* Jackson, Mississippi: (- 7%), * Madison, Wisconsin: (- 8%),
* Nashville, Tennessee: (- 9%), * Columbus, Ohio: (- 10%),
* Dallas, Texas: (- 11%), * Cincinnati, Ohio: (- 11%),
* Springfield, Missouri: (- 11%), * Kansas City, Missouri: (- 12%),
* St. Louis, Missouri: (- 12%)

I doubt those who “somehow, some way” got into the “correction-proof” West Coast markets of San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego at bloated price levels were “ecstatic” as house prices inevitably reverted back to the long-term mean after 2006.

#2 Stan Brooks on 05.22.18 at 4:59 pm

There are so many positive news for Ontario lately:

– record ever increasing debt
– increasing electricity prices
– increasing gas prices
– increasing food prices
– increasing taxes
– $1,800-per-month daycare bills rock


“Asking the wealthiest Ontarians to contribute more”

what a piece of garbage.
There are few real wealthy in Ontario, it is workers province after all.

NDP will be the nail in coffin of this place.

#3 Prairieboy43 on 05.22.18 at 5:01 pm

FORD Nation (majority), Stamp it!
PB43

#4 JSS on 05.22.18 at 5:01 pm

NDP will form government in Ontario.
you heard it here.

#5 Leanne on 05.22.18 at 5:05 pm

“Tory leader Doug Ford, brother of the rebel, crack-smoking former mayor of Toronto, is a scary dude to many people (especially women, it turns out), and his party seems like it would have a hard time organizing a sock drawer. So, bingo, NDP.”

You nailed it. And many won’t be voting for the NDP, but against the others. Many who may want to vote liberal will vote NDP instead to keep Ford out. Even my own father, who has voted conservative in every other provincial election over the past 45 years, refuses to vote for Ford. Any other Conservative party leader likely would have been a slam dunk. How did someone like Ford ever capture the party leadership?!?

#6 young & foolish on 05.22.18 at 5:09 pm

Democracy is over-rated ….. hehehe

#7 Lawnboy on 05.22.18 at 5:12 pm

Like the late great John Candy said , “ they can buff that out , I’m sure of it.”

Give it 4 er 5 years, that orange stain will be a past memory. Drink the cool aid, drink the cool aid,,,,,

#8 conan on 05.22.18 at 5:14 pm

What’s that saying again – “…better to keep your mouth shut and have some think you are a moron, than say something and prove it…” – PastThePeak

What you say here makes sense if you are looking in the mirror.

Harper has his influence all over the Ontario Cons. What do you think people are referring to when they say ” Get rid of the rot?”

So many of the same characters are in play. All you have to do is read the news and follow the rot.

Typical rotten Con move, hurl personal insults and try to rule by fear.

Harper, the gift that keeps giving. He is going to cost your Party for the next 25 years.

#9 Fish on 05.22.18 at 5:16 pm

Txt and number and trying placing a face on it,

aannouncement please sign could possibly say its me

with a( name) “what’s your Schedule” like”? Polite

#10 I’m stupid on 05.22.18 at 5:24 pm

Old news Garth. I posted after the last poll showed Horwath was leading as best to govern but trailing Ford in polls. Can’t remember how long ago but it was over a week.

The poll referenced was published today. – Garth

#11 Newcomer on 05.22.18 at 5:24 pm

Hopefully, this will remind the blue guys that crazy doesn’t always sell. Who knows, maybe even the guys in Ottowa will start to believe that goosing the housing market isn’t the answer to everything.

Meanwhile, this just in from the Who Needs More Land department:

“The fact is that all of East Asia, all of Europe, and all of North America are experiencing birthrates that are below replacement level — which means, simply, were it not for immigration and longer life spans, all of these regions would be experiencing year-to-year population decline.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/opinion/populist-populism-fertility-rates.html

It makes it clear that the notion that residential real estate is a long-term play because of population growth is silly. And while remaining populations are concentrating in cities, Japan a Russia both show once overall growth goes negative cities start to shrink too. Canada will probably be able to rely on immigration to maintain its population growth at the current historic lows for a while longer. But the writing is on the wall.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/01/12/reference/residences-left-empty-posing-problems-across-nation/#.WwSHAIjRWUk

(Sorry for the double post. )

#12 Arctic Gringo: Qalunaaq on 05.22.18 at 5:27 pm

I got nothing to prepare for; but parents and siblings are not voting. They threw in the towel after the first provincial NDP government disaster.

Meanwhile in the land of the midnight sun and bitter cold – 95% of Nunavut’s money (just under $2B) comes from Federal transfers (thanks for that, much appreciated). Our premier will be in the hot seat this next week or two during the legislative sitting justifying sending 73 government officials and staffers to do some personal shopping while representing the people at the Northern Lights Show in Ottawa.

A lot of glad-handing musta happened:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/nunavut-government-northern-lights-conference-1.4670345

The premier takes the time to tell his communications staff to respond to the local newspaper editorial. Jim Bell, the Editor – good guy.
http://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/65674nunavut_premier_responds_to_nunatsiaq_news_editorial/

Still no policy in place here on the green-smoke legislation by Ottawa’s Top show-boy:
http://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/65674nunavut_mlas_expect_answers_on_governments_cannabis_plan/

#13 Linda on 05.22.18 at 5:34 pm

I think the shift to NDP is mainly due to people looking for ‘fairness’. In the minds of the indebted, anyone with actual money has somehow had an advantage they themselves did not receive. The NDP is a socialist party, promoting free health care, education, day care, affordable housing/rent etc. The main challenge they face is balance. While the more reasoned among them say they are not ‘anti-business’, the vast majority of their policies do not adequately address the issue of where all the money to fund all those lovely ‘free’ programs will come from. Because those programs are not ‘free’. They are funded by tax dollars & the endless demand for ‘more’ quickly outstrips the supply of available revenues.

So to sum up, the potential shift to NDP is probably driven by the cry of ‘it isn’t fair’ & people looking for a government quick fix to give them what they want. And what they want is to have it all, preferably for ‘free’.

#14 JM on 05.22.18 at 5:35 pm

I don’t understand why the Conservative party can’t attract a better front person. Maybe the trivago guy, or the world’s most interesting man or captain obvious.

#15 mortgagebroker on 05.22.18 at 5:36 pm

I was almost going to make Alberta the new home for my company before the ndp won out there.

if ndp wins in ontario and conservatives win in Alberta then I think Alberta will be my new business home.

wait and see!!

#16 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 5:37 pm

It’s not just women who are afraid of Doug Ford. I’m a man and, although I have voted PC occaisionally in the past, can’t vote PC if it means Doug Ford could be premier.

I lived in Scarborough when the Ford circus was at Toronto City Hall and there is no way I’ll help him get the keys to Queen’s Park, no way. I’m voting NDP.

#17 Joe Shmoe on 05.22.18 at 5:42 pm

Please use this as an opportunity to vote LIBERTARIAN!

If we can collectively send a message and get the Libertarians on the stage, then at least some rational thoughts could permeate the nonsense being spewed by the major parties.

Its NOT a wasted vole – we all have to start somewhere and I can’t think of a single time when a LIBERTARIAN voice was more needed than today.

#18 Pogey Line Up on 05.22.18 at 5:44 pm

Me first… No me first ….Nope… I was first!

#19 45north on 05.22.18 at 5:44 pm

Will the Dippers take Ontario? Polls now say the NDP has a shot at winning in a couple of weeks. The so-called ‘Tory Tumble’ is stunning. Just like the way reigning Libs will be punted to the curb – unless people are lying to the pollsters.

they’re lying

“Asking the wealthiest Ontarians to contribute more”

The wealthiest Ontarians can choose to be the wealthiest Nova Scotians instead.

$15 an hour is just the starting point.

Right now the Rideau Carleton Raceway in Ontario competes directly with Casino Lac-Leamy in Gatineau Quebec. Hard Rock International is taking over Rideau Carleton Raceway and is spending millions of dollars to upgrade it to a casino. Most people in Ottawa live between the two – it’s just as easy to drive to one as the other. The jump in minimum wage in Ontario puts the Hard Rock Casino at a yuge disadvantage.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/rideau-carleton-raceway-set-to-become-the-hard-rock-casino-ottawa

http://casinos.lotoquebec.com/en/lacleamy/home

#20 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 5:45 pm

I’m pretty sure it’s just Liberal propaganda to make sure the anybody-but-Ford movement has a chance at winning. Because if the NDP won a minority government, they would likely choose Liberals over Tories to form their government.

Most people in Ontario who vote were old enough to remember Bob Rae days and welfare recipients making as much as lower income families working full-time jobs.

Unless the NDP come up with a better platform in the next 2 weeks they won’t win.

#21 Lacho on 05.22.18 at 5:47 pm

Libations can be a beautiful thing, but if over-indulged, the hangovers will have you questioning why you ever took the first sip. Toronto and Canada still haven’t gotten past the hangover phase post Ford. His death resolved nothing in the larger scheme of things. It just allowed everyone to frenetically move “forward”, kinda pretending that it never happened. *Mistake*.

Doug’s campaign should be a political and social impossibility (the same goes for Trudeau’s). But in a world where treating symptoms passes for healing; the Fords will metastasize, and the body (all of us) will perpetually suffer. Besides; did anyone ever get to the bottom of who murdered the miscreant who tried to extort Rob Ford in the first place with that video of him allegedly smoking crack???

Ozzy was prophetic when he penned “I’m going off the rails on a crazy train”. He could have easily been talking about Canada in 2018. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZtbBZuqb0

#22 RentYVR on 05.22.18 at 5:48 pm

There is no chance that the 905 votes NPD outside of some fringe ridings. None. Zero. Nada.

#23 Mark on 05.22.18 at 5:49 pm

Any chance that the NDP will crack down on the $160k secretaries in the Ontario public service? Or the $400k/year engineers at OPG when the company receives thousands of job applications each and every year from a plethora of qualified individuals?

#24 Willy H on 05.22.18 at 5:49 pm

For the most part, I would agree with much of Garth’s characterization of the forthcoming “Orange Wave”. The NDP is just filling a vacuum in Ontario politics and it may simply surf it’s way through the barrel into power.

However, I cannot remember a time (except under Hudak ☺) where “The Big Blue Machine” in Ontario was so bereft of new ideas, a made-up-as-you-go platform and the perception (likely the reality!) that another bloviating Ford will say or do anything for political power.

The Conservative party in Ontario has some soul-searching to do. They do not seem to be in tune with urbanites and a changing Ontario demographic.

Devastating flaws in the game of politics in 2018!

#25 tccontrarian on 05.22.18 at 5:55 pm

“Almost all elections are about change now, not policy. People vote against existing leaders, not necessarily for the new ones.” GT
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How cute! We ought to be reminded:

““If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.”- Mark Twain

{Though Mark Twain’s isn’t the only name that has been attached to this quote. Apparently, American peace activist Phillip Berrigan and Russian writer Emma Goldman have also been credited with this expression, although neither of them have acknowledged that they said or wrote it.}

The Banksters etc continue in the shadows, while governments get all the ‘blame’, for whatever goes wrong.

TCC

#26 Freebird on 05.22.18 at 5:56 pm

Correct, as a woman I have let’s say a strong aversion to Mr Ford/Trump2. But so do most men I know incl my husband. We focus on policies/platform but also take the ‘leader’ into equation. We’re plugging our nose and picking our poison…some are calling it this time. Good luck to Ontario on this one. We’ll need it.

#27 Honey Dripper on 05.22.18 at 5:57 pm

Minority NDP government is probably in the cards. The Cons have not said a lot about anything so they better get they’re act together. Calling Doug Donald Ford hello….

#28 Smoking Man on 05.22.18 at 5:58 pm

I would love an NDP win.
All my loot is safe outside Canada.

It won’t take long for them to scare business and investment away. The economy will implode.

I’ll be back to vulch.

#29 Ustabe on 05.22.18 at 6:01 pm

Blaming women for what may turn out to be an NDP victory in Ontario is lame.

What you need to blame is the grass roots of conservatism in Canada that embraces caricatures like Ford, Scheer and Trump as “leaders” and allows those they delegate to promote ideas and a culture that leaves a majority of Canadians cold.

Canadian conservatism used to be a big tent party with realistic policy run by folks who cared about constituency. Now it is run by self-aggrandizing, low intellect, self serving, one note buffoons.

Until they figure that out I’d get used to whinging from the sidelines.

#30 jess on 05.22.18 at 6:03 pm

well watching italian election

#ElectionWatch: Italy’s Self-Made Bots
How the Lega’s followers automate themselves
https://medium.com/dfrlab/electionwatch-italys-self-made-bots-200e2e268d0e

https://medium.com/dfrlab/botspot-twelve-ways-to-spot-a-bot-aedc7d9c110c
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shyster news

Ex-Valeant, Philidor executives convicted of kickback scheme

https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview/VRX.TO

#31 Reality is stark on 05.22.18 at 6:03 pm

So you think there is no way our country will go the way of Venezuela?
Once the population begins to think that the secret to prosperity is through government programs society starts it’s decline.
You can’t be afraid of being the best.
Canadians respect mediocrity.
The NDP are the party of mediocrity.
The two are made for one another.
Encourage your kids to try and get a green card.
Oh yeah, and for those of you on your way to family court get used to living in your car as the laws just became more onerous.

#32 Terry on 05.22.18 at 6:03 pm

An NDP win for Ontario? I don’t think so Garth. You can`t believe any of the polls anymore, it`s all lies.

As long as Conservatives get out and vote Doug Ford will be the next Premier.

Toronto and the GTA area will be a problem, too many Liberals and Socialists there, but not enough of an issue to stop the Ford train.

Go Ford!

#33 Hirsute Hipster, head down, texting... on 05.22.18 at 6:07 pm

Hey Garth, heard something about a poll here on Greater Fool saying he NDP might win.

Sounds interesting. I must have missed it while checking my Twitter feed.

Be a dude, run that post again, okay? I’ll wait a few minutes but no more, gotta meet a girl at Starbucks.

Thanks, bro.

#34 The dude on 05.22.18 at 6:08 pm

Honestly, I don’t think we should fart around with foreign ownership taxes. We should ban foreign ownership. Seriously. We’re under no obligation to sell our most precious assets to foreigners. If such want to live, play, and work in Canada, they can rent. Land ownership should be an exclusive right of citizenship.

#35 Guy in Calgary on 05.22.18 at 6:08 pm

So it begins…

Free everything to everyone unless you make a high income. Seems like a perfect system to me.

#36 John on 05.22.18 at 6:09 pm

Leading GDP growth is in Alberta and B.C.. Ontario could do with a GDP increase. Just sayin….

#37 Rifles on 05.22.18 at 6:10 pm

“In the same year Donald Trump goosed the US economy by cutting company profits by a third…”

Surely you mean “cutting company TAXES…” not profits?

Of course. – Garth

#38 R Vanzo on 05.22.18 at 6:12 pm

And that’s why I don’t feel sorry for people from Venezuela and other awful places. They get what they voted for, they get what they deserve. And so do Canadians. The country where I cane from (Brazil) is a terrible place to live because they are stupid enough to believe in fairy tales. And they get what they deserve (62 thousand homicides per year, 14% unemployment and widespread poverty).

#39 jess on 05.22.18 at 6:13 pm

vote LIBERTARIAN! surely you jest?
so why is brazil so disfunctional among others

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/09/atlas-network-alejandro-chafuen-libertarian-think-tank-latin-america-brazil/

is there an etf for that

Cashing in on the donated dead
The Body Trade
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodies-brokers/

#40 Tony on 05.22.18 at 6:16 pm

Ford already lost the upcoming election when he stated he would get rid of the foreigners tax on homes in the GTA. The golden horseshoe needs every possible tax slapped on foreigners just like in British Columbia. I guess he wanted to lose and purpose and that line did it for him.

#41 AK on 05.22.18 at 6:21 pm

“Will the Dippers take Ontario? Polls now say the NDP has a shot at winning in a couple of weeks.”
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When did this change? I saw a poll on Twitter a couple of days ago, showing Doug with a majority win.

#42 I’m stupid on 05.22.18 at 6:21 pm

The poll referenced was published today. – Garth

I’m not arguing that, just saying the poll prior to the one referenced was already hinting that Horwath would surge.

#43 TheDood on 05.22.18 at 6:27 pm

#14 JM on 05.22.18 at 5:35 pm
I don’t understand why the Conservative party can’t attract a better front person. Maybe the trivago guy, or the world’s most interesting man or captain obvious.
________________________________________

LOL!

“I don’t always vote, but when I do, its NDP! Stay stupid my friends”

#44 jim on 05.22.18 at 6:30 pm

Well, that’s a surprise. Not that I live there anymore, but I can’t wait to see how fast the NDP will rack up the public debt given their fondness for public sector unions.

There are plenty of surprises and goodies in store if they win. I recall that in my home province of BC, it was the NDP government that stripped Employment Standards Act protections from high tech workers. Friendly to their labour cronies, but quite eager to throw non-union working people under the bus.

Not the same government, of course, but the mindset among the socialist left is remarkably consistent.

#45 MF on 05.22.18 at 6:32 pm

We have learned that polls do not give us much insight into the outcome of an election.

This wreaks of propaganda.

I can’t see people being that stupid.

Hey, how come nobody ever polls me, or anyone I know?

You may not like it, and I am no fan either, but Ford will be the next premier.

MF

#46 A Yank in BC on 05.22.18 at 6:33 pm

It’s a sad thing when you end up voting for someone you don’t agree with simply to block someone else.

#47 Vive la NDP on 05.22.18 at 6:36 pm

In October, Quebec elections. Bring on the NDP, the speculators and flippers have driven up home prices in parts of Montreal by a factor of 3 to 4 in the past 18 years. Time for those same NDP measures here,
I can’t wait for it. And fyi, I am wealthy boomer. No contradiction there.

#48 Doug t on 05.22.18 at 6:37 pm

Anarchy would be better than this – do yourself a favour and don’t waste your time at the polls – vote not to vote – seriously they ALL suck – I have voted not to vote in any election for the last 25 years

RATM

#49 Free Dumb on 05.22.18 at 6:39 pm

NDP? Sure why not – save us from the mess that the other parties made.

#50 jas on 05.22.18 at 6:39 pm

Sickening to see how dumb people can be in AB, BC and now ON to be so eager to choose the orange dippers.
I thought the USA voters were the most ignorant, but I guess that title is now deserved by AB, BC and soon by ON ignorant crowd too.

#51 MF on 05.22.18 at 6:47 pm

#14 JM on 05.22.18 at 5:35 pm

That’s easy.

Whoever the Conservatives choose will have their name (and their family, friends, business partners, acquaintances) will be lambasted endlessly in the Liberal media for years and years. Possibly forever (witness the idiots/people still blaming Harper on here for everythign).

Everything bad will be blamed on them, and they will get no credit for the good they do.

Also, after a socialist government of worthless handouts, the necessary cuts make them out to be “the bad guy”. It’s sort of like a mom telling her 5 year old kids to stop eating ice cream because its unhealthy.

Basically anyone over the age of 25-27 who votes socialist is usually a loser in some form.

MF

#52 MSM-Free Zone on 05.22.18 at 6:51 pm

Ontario PC’s, for the third time in as many elections, had a chance to offer a reputable (c)onservative leader with some talent, brains, calm, and experience, and, for some inexplicable reason, snatched another defeat from the jaws of victory with a clueless, hot-headed, one-civic-term, serial lying blowhard with the IQ of a seedless watermelon and no announced political platform. (What were they thinking?)

As much as Ontario voters despise Wynne and her band of lying, financially incompetent misfits, they aren’t about to replace her with another fake anti-elitist and fake champion of the middle/working class, whose real claim to fame is balancing beam scales and not cheque books.

NDP minority government by default.

#53 WUL on 05.22.18 at 6:51 pm

I carry a picture in my mind. Conservative politicians walking down a highway. There is a road sign. An arrow pointing in the direction they are walking. Beneath the arrow it says “Wrong Side of History”.

Until they leave the 1950s on social policies, particularly in Alberta, they will continue to sicken me. For example, Jason Kenney wanting to out gay high school students that join gay straight alliances at school. Can they not understand that a cause of homeless youth is rejection by families?

Fiscally responsible? You mean like Brad Wall and the mess that Saskatchewan is in? My ass.

There is one conservative that I would vote for. The Hon. Garth “Washboard Abs” Turner.

#54 Shawn Allen on 05.22.18 at 6:51 pm

Beggar Thy Provincial Neighbour?

So the NDP “Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST)… will apply annually. It will be targeted toward foreign and domestic speculators who do not pay tax in Ontario.”

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Let a coin a new term then, “domestic foreigners”.

At 58 and born in Nova Scotia and now living in Alberta for the last 29 years (nicely symetric) , I have always considered myself to be very much a Canadian first. As a citizen I felt I had legal duty of allegiance to Canada which in any case came naturally to me. I never thought allegiance to a province made much sense other than of course one usually cheers for the home province when it comes to sports. But then I have two home provinces.

But now, what B.C. is doing to Alberta and all “foreign” Canadians and what the NDP in Ontario proposes, has me rethinking my position.

If BC succeeds in stopping the pipeline and given that Quebec was so against the Energy East pipeline and given this new brand of “domestic foreigner” speculation tax, I am starting to think more along the lines of “let the western and eastern bast**s freeze in the dark”. I will cheer $2.00 gasoline in B.C. and I will have no sympathy for high taxes in Ontario. Nor certainly will I favor products from those provinces. They have been warned.

#55 Goldie on 05.22.18 at 6:52 pm

I’m not really following the Ontario election run up hype. Can someone explain why women are supposedly afraid of Ford? Has he done/pledged anything specific or is it just that women are being successfully manipulated by opposition propaganda (racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc…)?

#56 Basil Exposition on 05.22.18 at 6:57 pm

The Ontario PC’s may have shot themselves in the other foot with choosing Doug Ford over the highly accomplished Christine Elliot. Had Christine been chosen last time over Patrick Brown, you can be sure that Liberal insiders would have forced the highly unpopular Kathleen Wynne to resign before their term was up. Now, both parties face losing this election.

#57 MSM-Free Zone on 05.22.18 at 6:57 pm

An old saying goes, “Bad governments are elected by good voters who don’t vote.”

#58 Nonplused on 05.22.18 at 6:57 pm

Thank Dog they are legalizing pot because there is no way I can watch what is happening to our country straight and all this whisky is hard on my liver.

I think Canada is going into a prolonged recession because of all these new taxes that keep popping up everywhere. People don’t have the money to pay! They don’t have the money to pay the $15 minimum wage either (businesses won’t pay it, they don’t have any money so they have to pass it along to you the consumer). And don’t forget that the minimum wage increase is the biggest single income tax increase ever implemented in Canada. Raising the minimum wage from $10 to $15 causes the annual tax bill for a full time employee to rise from $1,943 to $4,835 (Alberta). That is the real purpose of the minimum wage hike.

Sure, if people had some extra money to pay for their burgers the minimum wage hike sounds like a good idea for those folks who manage to keep their low-skill jobs, but they don’t because they are already facing the useless carbon tax and rising interest payments on their HELOC!

Also connecting the minimum wage to inflation creates a self reinforcing inflation loop that cannot be contained. Because raising the minimum wage puts inflation pressure on all wages, and thus the cost of everything, 2% inflation means a 2% raise across the board which means 2% inflation. That is if, and that is a big IF, the price of materials and equipment don’t also inflate, which they will.

And of course by baking wage inflation into the cake like that, inflation will become much less susceptible to the BoC interest rate. So that could rise without having any effect on inflation.

The Canadian economy is big trouble. The 99% simply don’t have the money for this NDP utopia. Max out your foreign allocations in your portfolio and run as low on Canada as you dare.

#59 bubu on 05.22.18 at 6:58 pm

Good to have more citizenships….

#60 Leichendiener on 05.22.18 at 7:03 pm

Lies, damn lies, and statistics blah blah…
I’m following Polly, an AI computer from Advanced Symbolics. It called Brexit and Trump’s win. Regardless, the NDP might take the ring and condemn Ontario to Twinkiedom. Looking at US NAFTA demands; what more could go wrong?

#61 Farmer Fred on 05.22.18 at 7:03 pm

A 2018 Ram 3500 Longhorn, the favorite truck of us farmers here in Alberta, currently lists for around $97,000. Would this vehicle be subject to a luxury tax in the new Ontario? I mean sure you could strip it down and get a work truck, but for most farmers the farm truck is the primary vehicle. The wife may have a car, but the farmer doesn’t. He has a diesel truck. He needs the towing capacity.

#62 Millennial Mantra on 05.22.18 at 7:05 pm

Vote NDP. Orange is the happiest colour.

#63 X on 05.22.18 at 7:05 pm

God have mercy with all of this NDP stuff…how about I keep my money and make my own way…

Would be curious to see how many people google what is the cheapest province to live in Canada if Ont goes orange.

#64 Greg Stamish on 05.22.18 at 7:09 pm

The idiots in Ontario have a very bad memory if the NDP gets in.

Bob Rae go away! Remember hearing that over and over. High property taxes, high education taxes, high taxes, fees etc. The public sector wished they never voted him in.

Massive job losses like Ross Perot would say you will hear a giant sucking sound.

I am glad I am retired and don’t have to find a job. Don’t worry NDP will destroy your life and all your free goodies will be a distant reminder.

Socialism never works, never will work and will always never work.

#65 Victor V on 05.22.18 at 7:12 pm

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren/status/999030439770710016

Finally have a moment to say this about Ipsos: @AndreaHorwath, Michael Balagus and team #ONDP have run a confident, positive campaign, for which they deserve kudos. But @fordnation’s #ONPC vote is spread out in a way that is more efficient. It’s still Doug’s to lose. #ONpoli

– Warren Kinsella

#66 Undecided on 05.22.18 at 7:15 pm

None of the above?

#67 Bob Dog on 05.22.18 at 7:17 pm

When a newly married 29 year old university educated software engineering working for one of the most profitable tech companies in Canada, can’t afford a home for his new family, something is seriously F&CKED up.

That is how you end up with an NDP government. Federal election is next.

Wow. University. Of course you deserve a house. – Garth

#68 jess on 05.22.18 at 7:18 pm

Broidy and Nadar

The Princes, the President and the Fortune Seekers

By The Associated Press

May 21, 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/05/21/us/politics/ap-us-trump-pay-to-play.html
=========================

The Two Faces of Qatar, a Dubious Mideast Ally
Doha undermines U.S. security by sponsoring Islamic radicalism.
By Charles Wald and
Michael Makovsky
April 24, 2017 7:14 p.m. ET

==============

Read key documents in Broidy and Nader’s correspondence at:

http://apne.ws/Uux7vo3

#69 Green Machine on 05.22.18 at 7:27 pm

Just a friendly reminder, you aren’t limited to the three bozos featured prominently in the media. The Green Party is an excellent place to park your vote.

#70 KLNR on 05.22.18 at 7:32 pm

LOL, cons just never learn. Select a leader with half an intellect and they may win an election one day. should have one the last 2 easily. sigh.

#71 Jodi Wellington on 05.22.18 at 7:35 pm

NDP stands for new dippers party. I believe I heard somewhere that Bob Rae wanted to declare Ontario’s debt, bonds default, bankruptcy.

Bob Rae really was pushing the envelope paying 11%+ interest rates. This looks like a repeat of the 1990’s will falling real estate prices, rising interest rates, mortgage rates, higher taxes etc.

#72 Reynolds531 on 05.22.18 at 7:38 pm

The conservative party could have had a landslide. They blew this and we will all pay the price.

Garth respectfully suggest you do a blog series on how to legally shield or move assets out of Canada.

I will be standing in line going the opposite way at the border crossing in Quebec everyone walks across.

#73 Michael King on 05.22.18 at 7:39 pm

Here’s a breaking story from Frank Magazine. If true, Ford needs to bury this before the election.
“So here’s another thing Doug Ford and Donald Trump have in common: They’re both philanderers.
At least that’s the latest tattle from Toronto, where the Globe and Mail and Toronto Star are in moist pursuit of a story that Doug has a mistress stashed in a condo in Etobicoke.
Ms. X, we are unreliably informed, is not only Doug’s legover companion, but also a Tory candidate in the June 7 provincial running of the reptiles.
According to opposition operatives, she’s been set up in a plush condo and drives a Mercedes C300, all paid for by Doug.
She’s just a few years older than the eldest Ford daughter, Krista, 27. (Apparently, Doug has a passion for K’s. In addition to Krista, his other daughters are Kayla, Kara and Kyla. Oh, and the wife, Karla.)
Speaking of Karla, she’s been mysteriously absent from the campaign; MIA since she appeared with him at the podium on victory night last March.
Doug’s alleged horizontal exploits bring back fond memories of former premier Mike Harris, another old-timey Tory family values crusader, who was getting a legover with Sharon Dunn whilst still very much married to second wife Janet, circa 2000.
Meanwhile, Ford campaign manager Kory Teneycke is said to be soiling his undersilks and has already ordered up polling on the potential damage if the story gets out.
Rest assured, Kory, Doug’s secret is safe with us.”

#74 Todd on 05.22.18 at 7:46 pm

This is one long time, male PC voter who could never mark a ballot to make Ford the premier. Ontario PC party screwed the pooch on that leadership race.

#75 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.22.18 at 7:47 pm

@# 51 jas
“Sickening to see how dumb people can be in AB, BC and now ON to be so eager to choose the orange dippers….”
++++++

Dont be too smug my American amigo.
They had no choice.

The Conservatives in Alberta had been in power for DECADES. Arrogant, self serving, out of touch but a few of the descriptions given to them before and during their election debacle.
They only had themselves to blame for their loss.

The BC Liberals( conservatives in all but name) were in power for a decade with the first leader resigning before a trial started (the sale of BC Rail) before the poo hit the proverbial fan and was replaced by an even more narcissistic, self serving, self promoting, harridan who demanded $50,000 per diems from her own party because “250k salary just wasnt enough to “survive on” even though she was renting a posh house in a toney west side neighborhood from a real estate developer……
They deserved everything they got at the polls.
Booted from a minority govt and Christy has been pouting in anonimity ever since( a fate worse than death for a self absorbed mirror gazer such as herself).

As for the Ontario Liberals
We’ll wait and see if they go down in flames due to their politically correct, financially suicidal, social experiment known as …..the govt in power.

Yep the NDP may rule the day in BC, AB and ONT but only for one term until the next election.

One term wonder, politically correct, gender neutral, spend and tax….. Justin Trudeau take note………

#76 Smartalox on 05.22.18 at 7:47 pm

I remember growing up in Ontario, how Toronto used to console itself for not being a ‘world class’ city, by opening a store or two of some American retailer or restaurant chain. New York city has Times Square, Toronto got their version at Yonge and Dundas.

So Doug Ford continues on this theme: a watered down Donald Trump.

Another disappointment is how elections in this country have become Americanized: voting not for and against parties, but for and against leaders. In the Canadian Parliamentary system, the leader is NOT independent of the party.

The only voters who should be voting for or against Doug Ford are those that vote in his riding. Same with Wynne. Otherwise it’s up to voters to elect the representative in their riding that best meets their needs. Parliamentary democracy used to consider party leaders as a ‘first amongst equals’ – if a leader was defeated, the party could elect someone else to lead.

Now political parties are cults of personality, where the leader is backed by a bunch of unelected ‘advisors’ who make the backroom deals unaccountable to the public, while the backbenches are filled with useless scandal-bait who had they not been elected, would likely not be employable.

Democracy takes more commitment than simply spending a few minutes voting every few years, but most people can’t be bothered. That’s why Canadians get the Governments that they deserve.

#77 Out Of Work CEO, Will Travel on 05.22.18 at 7:51 pm

Doug Ford is a change for the better. The liberals have gone up every politicaly correct trail twice for good measure…this explains why Doug Ford and the PC’s will sweep out the Ontario barn.

The latest cringe from the west is B.C. Premier Comrade Horgan files constitutional challenge of Alberta’s fuel restriction law. I love this country.

#78 AK on 05.22.18 at 7:51 pm

#4 JSS on 05.22.18 at 5:01 pm
“NDP will form government in Ontario.
you heard it here.”
——————————————————————
No they won’t.

#79 Long-Time Lurker on 05.22.18 at 7:52 pm

Off-topic, sorry.

Speculation:

Military coup in Venezuela before the end of the year.

I read the soldiers are deserting because they are starving. The brass is going to have enough of Maduro’s failed policies.

#80 acdel on 05.22.18 at 7:54 pm

Hey Smokie, may as well stay in California or wherever you are. If Ontarion’s elect an NDP Gov then they deserve exactly what is coming to them, history repeats itself, people never learn, good-luck socialist fools.

My apologizes to the rest of Ontarion’s outside of the GTA that get it, I really do feel for you, actually it is similar to the rest of the country that knows there votes do not count. Saddening really! Something has to give!!

#81 Ex-Cowtown on 05.22.18 at 7:58 pm

A quote from the Vancouver Sun comments section regarding BC’s court challenge to stop Alberta from stopping the shipment of oil to BC:

“So let me understand this scenario. Alberta wants Kinder Morgan to enlarge a pipeline to transport Alberta crude to the west coast. The minority (BC) government of the day wishes to block this effort due to threats to the environment and presumably climate change (or whatever is the flavour of the day, week, month. The Alberta government of the day wishes now to restrict oil being transported to BC. The BC government of the day wishes to get an injunction against Alberta to allow oil to be transported to BC. To my incredibly weak mind, it seems that Alberta is doing what BC wants and now BC is trying to prevent them from doing it. Is everyone in BC completely retarded or is it just me.”

Nail.Head. Hit.

#82 Moses71 on 05.22.18 at 7:59 pm

So if the devil’s advocate to Planet NDP’s stance is that employers & employees don’t have a battleground with minimum wage mentioned in the next sentence, (is this statement leading to a control question?) , maybe it didn’t seem like a battleground prior because underpaid and exploited, I mean old-style minimum wage workers were afraid to speak up to their boss?
This is Canada & living at means costs money. Suck it up

#83 No Down Payment aka NDP on 05.22.18 at 8:01 pm

What me worry ?

Famous words from MAD Magazine

Alfred E. Newman

#84 Lorne on 05.22.18 at 8:01 pm

#50 jas
Sickening to see how dumb people can be in AB, BC and now ON to be so eager to choose the orange dippers.
I thought the USA voters were the most ignorant, but I guess that title is now deserved by AB, BC and soon by ON ignorant crowd too.
…….
Did it ever occur to you that you just might be the ignorant one?

#85 aa5 on 05.22.18 at 8:05 pm

The USA could at one time get away with very high taxes, as there wasn’t really anywhere else to go. For Ontario the few people like software programmers who ascend to a high level in their careers will simply go South with confiscatory taxes.

Although from the socialists I have talked to they view pushing out people like high level software programmers or specialist doctors as a good thing. As then there is greater equality for the middling people left behind.

#86 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 8:06 pm

“#20 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 5:45 pm

Most people in Ontario who vote were old enough to remember Bob Rae days and welfare recipients making as much as lower income families working full-time jobs.”

And that includes you. If you’re old enough to remember that election then remember it correctly. It was David Peterson and the Liberals who knew Ontario was headed into a deep recession and called the election early to try for another majority. For his trouble the voters handed him his head on a plate and Bob Rae was simply in the right place at the right time. Ontario went into that recession in 1990 and Rae took much of the heat for it but the stage was set before he became Premier.

#87 BillyBob on 05.22.18 at 8:10 pm

Today I woke up on my last day as a resident of Asia. Tonight I will board an aircraft and touch down tomorrow morning in Europe. And then I will enter my new country (Old Country) with my newly-minted visa and reinvent myself yet again. I look forward to it immensely.

In all my years as an expat I’ve never missed Canada less than I do today after reading yet another example of the country circling the bowl. Forget socialism, it is racing towards full communism.

I’m sure the people of Venezuela never thought the horrific events they’re enduring could happen to them. Canada would already be there if not for the simple luck of being next door to the US.

I believe the term is “useful idiot”.

#88 For those about to flop... on 05.22.18 at 8:13 pm

Stash the cash…

M43BC

“These Countries Have the Largest Stashes of Foreign Currency in the World.

Foreign exchange (or forex) reserves are a key indicator of economic health. They provide policymakers with a tool to control inflation, ensure the continual flow of imported goods into the country, and generally provide a sense of security in uncertain economic climates. With the U.S. national debt recently topping an eye-popping $21T, we started thinking about how the U.S. stacks up against the rest of the world in forex reserves.

We got our data from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for Q1 2018 (the latest numbers for a handful of countries, like Saudi Arabia, are from 2017). We first color-coded each country by continent and then adjusted the size of the country by its reserves, excluding those places with less than $5 billion in reserves. This approach provides a unique snapshot of the world economy in one easy-to-understand and colorful map.

Top 10 Countries with the Biggest Forex Reserves

1. China: $3,162B

2. Japan: $1,205B

3. Switzerland: $785.7B

4. Saudi Arabia: $486.6B

5. Hong Kong: $437.5B

6. India: $397.2B

7. South Korea: $385.3B

8. Brazil: $358.3B

9. Russia: $356.5B

10. Singapore: $279.8B

The first and most obvious trend on our map is the uneven distribution of forex reserves around the world. China leads by a longshot with $3,162B, almost three times as much as second place Japan at $1,205B. It is hard to imagine just how much money China has stashed away—it’s enough to power the entire $2,651B economy of the United Kingdom for an entire year and then some, royal weddings included. Switzerland stands out in third place with $785.7B as the only European country in the top 10. Part of the explanation is that the Swiss opted out of the European Union, making the Swiss franc a safe haven for European investors. Our ranking becomes tighter further down the list with less separation between the countries, but suffice it to say forex reserves are top-heavy.

You can see the same top-heavy trend when looking at which continents have the highest reserves. Asia clearly leads the way on the right side of the map, second to the green countries from Europe (thanks only to Switzerland). Every other continent is comparably tiny. Take a look at North and South America compared to Asia. It’s not even close. And where is the entire continent of Africa in our visualization? Since we excluded countries with less than $5B in reserves, only four orange countries made it onto the map.

What does this say about the world’s economies? Countries that have a lot of exports tend to stockpile the most forex reserves. Think about all the goods that flow out of China, consumer electronics from Japan, and oil from Saudi Arabia. These places dominate in particular industries or sectors, making them a magnate for forex reserves. Having a large stash of foreign currency means that countries like China and Japan can better handle unexpected economic surprises. The United States only has $44B in forex reserves. That’s not necessarily a cause for alarm because many export-dependent countries rely on America to purchase their goods. That’s how they ended up with such large caches in the first place. Here’s to hoping that current trends continue long into the future.”

https://howmuch.net/articles/countries-with-the-biggest-forex-reserves

#89 PeterfromCalgary on 05.22.18 at 8:14 pm

I voted with my money already. My funds are invested in Donald Trump’s USA. My little bit to make America Great Again by protecting myself from the dippers.

#90 Fish on 05.22.18 at 8:23 pm

Suggestion please get on the same page

Please don’t lie to me,

You know where to find me

Or welcome to the 53 state

We are 100 years behind usa

#91 MF on 05.22.18 at 8:23 pm

#87 BillyBob on 05.22.18 at 8:10 pm

–>Calls Canada too socialist

–>Moves to Europe, home of the most socialist system on the planet

^pick one

MF

#92 MF on 05.22.18 at 8:29 pm

#70 KLNR on 05.22.18 at 7:32 pm
LOL, cons just never learn. Select a leader with half an intellect and they may win an election one day. should have one the last 2 easily. sigh.

-Witness exhibit A above. Notice the angry leftist resort to his natural form of name calling when presented with an opposing point of view.

Bet he thought Donald Trump had “half an intellect” too…

MF

#93 Smoking Man on 05.22.18 at 8:30 pm

Why fight George Soros. Might aswell adopt his tactics. I’m voting NDP. Then wait for the economy to get crushed. And it will happen fast an furious.

USDCAD still high with oil crushing it. Again an exidous of bank etfs cash heading for the exits right now. Guess the smart money she’s the orange crush…

Is this what you meant by you have two weeks to prepair garth.

Back in the GTA all next week dogs, beers anyone ?

#94 YYZer on 05.22.18 at 8:31 pm

I usually lean towards the liberals, but dismayed by increasing deficits n liberal govt accounting skills I was really hoping Christine Elliot would win. She would have got my vote. The ON PC party is a mess with one scandal after another. Doug Ford as premier will do to the province what Rob n he did to Toronto. Conservative Macleans columnist Scott Gilmore has it right in this old column… the vision he shares is a party most canadians would vote for… https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/confessions-of-a-self-loathing-tory/

Trickle down economics doesn’t work. I highly recommend people watch the documentary “Inequality for all “. Might make you look at a few things like taxes differently.

#95 Neo on 05.22.18 at 8:35 pm

I hope all you hard working conservatives are not driving on my socialist highways.

Full boycott. You wouldn’t want a corporation to miss out on some profit.

#96 Ontario on 05.22.18 at 8:35 pm

Near retirement….just can’t wait to
Leave

#97 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.22.18 at 8:38 pm

@#69 The Green Machine
“The Green Party is an excellent place to park your vote.”
+++++
Ahhh yesss.
Higher carbon taxes on top of everything else……

#98 We are to become .. on 05.22.18 at 8:41 pm

Like Sweden

More and more socialist

Sorry

#99 Neo on 05.22.18 at 8:45 pm

“Wow. University. Of course you deserve a house. – Garth”

In Silicon Valley, San Francisco and Seattle, the tech industry is causing unaffordable housing due to the high salaries they receive as a result of their hard work and innovation. Selling their wares and leading humanity into the future generate trillions of dollars in economic activity.

Of course that logic doesn’t apply in Canada where the country itself is the product for sale.

#100 acdel on 05.22.18 at 8:47 pm

#93 Smoking Man

Ha, I like the way you think, if I lived in beautiful Ontario, minus the B.S. politics I would join you for a beer, cheers. Keep up the good fight!

Always grateful to you Garth for your persistence to keep a few educated and giving us a portal to vent. It all equalizes out, no matter what the nay Sayers say! :)

#101 must read on 05.22.18 at 8:48 pm

ndp would like Ontario to be a sanctuary place. If you don’t know what that means. If an American crosses the boarder, comes to Ontario, no health card will be required. They will get free health care. If that doesn’t scare you, I don’t know what will. I know some people don’t like ford, but if you have kids, conservatives are the best for the future of Ontario now.

#102 ImGonnaBeSick on 05.22.18 at 8:52 pm

Please kick Toronto out of Ontario already. Make it a city state.. let it spiral to its own destruction and not take the rest of us with it..

#103 con artist on 05.22.18 at 8:54 pm

been conned by Liberal and Pc last 30 yrs.
this time voting Ndp

#104 Headhunter on 05.22.18 at 8:57 pm

Love the polls, said Trump had less tan 20% chance of winning.

Douggie as an alpha male scares a lot of people. Dollars to donuts the haters are singing for their supper hitched to the trough.

Libs had a bunch of years, its time for a change. NDP just a scare tactic. Business would leave overnight.

Ford majority. Locked and Loaded.

#105 acdel on 05.22.18 at 8:57 pm

#95 Neo

Start a company, hire staff, spend hours upon hours on paper work or spend thousands on help for the pros, vacation what is that until you are successful, benefits, ha, prepare to pay. On top of all that, you need to sell, be competent or hire competent staff that do a good job, that do not steal from you or call in sick when you most need them, I can go on, and on, and on, keep voting the socialist and soon business’s will just move on like the past! Who pays the government?? We do!!!

Retirement in Canada ha, yes, I will let the door hit me in the ass on the way out; I have paid my dues….

#106 Lonely in Montreal on 05.22.18 at 8:59 pm

Countries full of Socialist morons get what they deserve. Just look at Venezuela, there is proof enough! Just keep your options open and remember: When the going gets tough, the tough get going (preferably to a location with a better climate than that of Canuckistan).

#107 Bonhomme Carnaval on 05.22.18 at 9:03 pm

Brilliant!

Québec’s open for business.

What’s scarier is that Mr. Dressup (I loved the original, by the way) will certainly replicate this shtuff at the Federal level.

Crazy times we live in, eh? Right!

#108 Bob on 05.22.18 at 9:04 pm

The teachers unions are backing the NDP maybe that is why the sudden surge. I got a text being a teacher and all saying from my union rep that they hope they can count on my vote for ndp.

#109 Lee on 05.22.18 at 9:06 pm

Peter Schiff says the next great financial crisis is fast approaching. So it won’t matter who wins the Ontario election.

That must be his 11th or 12th. – Garth

#110 Drill Baby Drill on 05.22.18 at 9:06 pm

I have always felt that in order for there to be a common sense approach to government spending then we will need to have a complete financial breakdown in Canada. If the NDP win in Ontario and implement their policies this will happen. If you think Ontario Hydro is screwed now wait until the NDP start meddling. No business will come near Ontario.

#111 Dolce Vita on 05.22.18 at 9:08 pm

#81 Ex-Cowtown

Logic in short supply these days, good to read some have it. Thank you for that post.

That is what happens when you elect people 2 bricks short of a full load – they cannot see beyond their noses.

Looks like ON will do the same.

Poor Canada.

#112 Tom Anderson on 05.22.18 at 9:10 pm

A vote for the NDP and Andrea Horwath will make life, money and finances a bloodbath.

I guess not everything that grows in Ontario is fresh, natural and good for us.

#113 OttawaMike on 05.22.18 at 9:11 pm

Odd that the socialist Norduc nations always score high on life satisfation indices.

They must be all lying to the polsters as well.

#114 Ian on 05.22.18 at 9:14 pm

I agree it’s getting to the scary point in the polling, but I don’t see it. I can’t see 905 voting orange. Downtown where I live now yes, but not further out.

I was working in Etobicoke Centre (where I’m from) doing PC lawn signs and we are crushing it. The last time we did well there was 2003.

Garth I’m glad you pointed out how disorganised the party is. I’m a member of the federal Blues too, and the difference between the two is astronomical in terms of organisation. I registered online for the Halifax convention in August and it was flawless.

The PCs, on the other hand…1) i never got to vote in the leadership because I never got my pin 2) never got to vote in the Toronto Centre nomination because there wasn’t one, 3) they still think I live in Etobicoke Centre, and 4) some of the riding nominations with false ballots etc would make Angola look like a credible democracy. It’s a complete clown festival.

However, the Blues need a clear majority. Ontario is a basket case.

I’m not surprised the NDP platform is attracting people. This country has a major problem with jealousy, which leads to horrifically bad policy.

#115 Dipper Logic on 05.22.18 at 9:15 pm

Go to court to stop a pipeline… then launch a lawsuit so that oil flow doesn”t stop… horgan is truly trying to be the greatest political idiot there has ever been

Guess energy from sunshine and hot air ain’t working….

Commie horgan propped up by a couple green brainiacs

Go for it Owetario.. see if you can actually be stupider than BC

#116 Politics on 05.22.18 at 9:20 pm

The problem should be self-evident both in Canada and Ontario. There are no more candidates with dignity, experience, and a sense of honour who are running for office. Who would want the job to clean up this mess? I will tell you who is running. A bunch of morons who know nothing; liars; drunks; blowhards; and will let you add a few other concerns.

#117 gfd on 05.22.18 at 9:23 pm

Support your local Hell’s Angels chapter.

#118 Ian on 05.22.18 at 9:24 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/turning-point-canada-scheer-1.4658239

It’s great to see Turning Point appear on Canadian campuses. It’s about time students had an option other than communism to learn about.

Barry Goldwater rules!!!

#119 Ron Jenson on 05.22.18 at 9:29 pm

The Nordic countries are small insignificant population wise anyhow.

Why doesn’t it work with a country like China. Communism and socialism always runs out with other people’s money.

You can take and take and take more and more and think that everything will work out. Minimum wage at $15 an hour is too low, go for $30, $40, why not $100 an hour.

Don’t pay $4,000 a month plus 4% annual increases plus benefits from medical, dental, health, life insurance etc., pay $8,000, $9,000, hey, $11,000 a month and every benefit possible.

It gets pretty ridiculous, Santa Clause does not exist and there are not endless piles of money, gifts we can all get.

People live in their fantasy world and think that the world owes them everything they want. Grow up and stop behaving like children. Reality bites! Life is not fair, deal with it or the whole ship is going to sink, people!

#120 Ian on 05.22.18 at 9:30 pm

I would have voted for Christine in the leadership, but alas never got my PIN. 2/3 of members didn’t participate. If she was in I bet PCs would be around 50% popular vote now.

I do see the concern about Ford. We love him in Etobicoke but I get he’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

#121 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 9:37 pm

#86 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 8:06 pm

I’m sure the teachers and nurses unions will be happy to hear about the cost-saving strategies the NDP will come up with to help the poor. Maybe kids will get 2 weeks for March break again as their teachers take unpaid leave to help balance the books.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/former-ont-premier-bob-rae-defends-rae-days-1.3988510

Ontario has a lot of public sector employees, about 1.3578 million out of 6.0928 million people in Ontario working full-time and part-time jobs.

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labr66g-eng.htm

These numbers probably don’t include the private sector employees who work for the government as full-time temporary-agency employees, used to fill jobs unionized workers refuse to do or lack the updated skills to know how to complete.

Most unionized workers are middle-class and upper-middle-class income earners in Ontario. All of the great ideas the NDP will come up with to help the poor will just end up being more taxes that reduce their net take-home pay. Which result in fewer working hours for lower-income families as millions of government employees will have less money to spend to boost the Ontario economy.

#122 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 9:41 pm

#108 Bob on 05.22.18 at 9:04 pm

I guess none of them were around for Bob Rae-days.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/former-ont-premier-bob-rae-defends-rae-days-1.3988510

#123 Dolce Vita on 05.22.18 at 9:42 pm

#30 jess

Agreed on the “shyster news” about the Italian election being influenced by Twitter bots, N. American garbage , IQ of gnat, thinking to the say the least.

Salvini of Lega and di Maio of M5S went city to city, town to town and engaged voters much as candidates do in a riding.

Others like Berlusconi or the PD party chose a more N. American style approach (MSM advertising, large gatherings with their target demographic crowd in the background for the News @ 11 photo/video shoot, closely controlled speeches on message by their handlers, depersonalized and short on message Twitter posts, etc.).

I met Salvini of Lega in the small N.E. Italian city I live in (50,000).

He plainly strolled up one of streets just off the main piazza with a crowd of locals in tow. He spoke about his ideas, fielded questions and after a couple of hours moved on to the next nearby town of 25,000 to do the same. My city was Salvini’s 3rd destination that day. He had 2 more to go visit.

No Twitter bots present. The crowd was not retweeted.

Advertising for the visit was from leaflets handed out from small booths on the 2 prior market days (as in a large outdoor market in the central piazza – every Wed. and Sat., like clockwork, distinctly Italian).

“Il Mercato” is still a highly frequented community gathering in Italy, usually 2 days every week – lost on most frenetic N. American tourists used to shopping malls and having to see everything from TripAdvisor in 3 days flat (TripAdvisor = Greater Fools advising other Fools).

Thank God for Il Mercato and TripAdvisor, for we have few places left to hide from tourists, their half naked GAP attire + flip flops and noisy wheeled luggage clattering down our millennia old Via Appia style streets.

It’s called engaging the voters face to face, listening to what they have to say and creating a platform from those ideas (and hopefully, living up to the promises).

Looks like Salvini of Lega (most popular in N. Italy) and di Maio of M5S (most popular in S. Italy) will form a coalition Govt. in Italy.

If so, they earned it, listening to one community at a time (the day after Il Mercato…you do not interfere with our open air shopping with politics…a no-no in Italia).

#124 Clearwater on 05.22.18 at 9:48 pm

Lets focus on whats important. LNG Canada is going ahead despite the madness. God bless foreign capital.

#125 Trojan House on 05.22.18 at 9:49 pm

People’s memories are short. If they could only remember the Rae days and the years it took (for Harris that poor bugger) to fix the mess the Dippers left the province in back in the 90s.

Sure, vote NDP in now and in 4 years they will be gone with another huge mess to clean up. I pity whoever will be the premiere then.

#126 AK on 05.22.18 at 9:54 pm

#109 Lee on 05.22.18 at 9:06 pm
“Peter Schiff says the next great financial crisis is fast approaching. So it won’t matter who wins the Ontario election.”
“That must be his 11th or 12th. – Garth”
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LMFAO. Peter Schiff calls for a financial crisis and $10,000 Gold every other week.

#127 Clearwater on 05.22.18 at 9:54 pm

#99 neo

Your “hard work and innovation” is asomething you tell youself. You are a codding drone working for the man. If you dont like it leave or start your own thing. Your comment is a pathetic insight into the socialist train of thought. Boo hoo for u.

#128 common sense on 05.22.18 at 9:55 pm

IF the NDP win, it will be nice to see over paid gov’t employees coughing up a bit more in taxes…

The next few years will be so much fun!

#129 paracho on 05.22.18 at 9:57 pm

This could be a repeat of Bob Rae ! He was the most surprised guy in the room when he won !
NDP had some good gains in a provincial byelection years ago .
Anything can happen !
We can maybe even see a few Green seats in Queens Park !

#130 DON on 05.22.18 at 9:58 pm

Sooo…the wacky group of conservatives run Alberta into the ground and no rainy day savings…but Alberta loves the right wing loonies. Not conservatives just loonies. Alberta needs to diversify!

BC was run into the ground by the CORRUPT BC Liberals/Conservatives. Morally and fiscally bankrupt.

Then you have the Ontario Liberals…FFS!

Saskatchewan…Brad Wall – Yikes! Where does he work now? Advisor at an oil and gas law firm?

But nooo…you vote for the same party election after election like good lazy voters. They count on that.

#131 young & foolish on 05.22.18 at 10:02 pm

“Surely you mean “cutting company TAXES…” not profits?”

Yup, that’s the other way to do government intervention … cut taxes to business, thereby increasing government debt by trillions, then hope increased business activity makes up for it … some day … in the distant future. Trouble is, demand for government money (and size) never seems to have a ceiling, and nobody ever reduces the debt. Seems to me that either way, we are all moving toward “more government” of one kind or another.

#132 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:04 pm

As for turning off the oil taps to BC. A court challenge and sourcing oil from Washington State could be problematic for Alberta. Tell me again why the Feds are providing corporate welfare? Do certain politicians have skin in the game? Why else the misinformation in the media?

Does KM have sales contracts for that extra bitumen? Russia, Iran, Saudi are providing oil to China.

The media and our federal leaderless government has let ‘us’ down.

#133 will on 05.22.18 at 10:06 pm

#14 JM

“I don’t understand why the Conservative party can’t attract a better front person.”

That’s a really good point.

#134 Rural Rick on 05.22.18 at 10:11 pm

People just don’t get it at all. Anytime the NDP get elected it is because the previous government knows some serious crap is coming home to roost and they want the NDP take the flack for it. Mike Harris threw in the towel to let Bob Rae win. All Bob got was the blame as he tried to balance the budget without firing anybody. There is a pattern here.

#135 Yorkville Renter on 05.22.18 at 10:14 pm

As soon as DoFo won the leadershit race, I wondered if they could lose again- and here we are.

Canada is no longer a home for Centrists… sad.

#136 Rexx Rock on 05.22.18 at 10:14 pm

You want a socialist goverment you got it.Wait to see the consequences.Canada is like a sinking ship,alot of people will go down with the ship and not jump ship.Inflation and the upcoming recession is going wipe out many Kanadians.

#137 Danny on 05.22.18 at 10:15 pm

I’m a man and I hate Ford.

Imagine asking for our vote and only issuing decrees.

No details…..no specifics……just playing the ” Hey stupid voters…..just trust me….I’m not a politician ”

Please Ford give me a break……you are offensive to the intelligence of the voter.

Oh yes…..you run to be a government leader….YOU ARE A POLITICIAN……..period.

Just like that genius Trump……today saying that in time everything will work out. ……Sure thing genius!

#138 Sam the Sham on 05.22.18 at 10:15 pm

Are you voting NDP? Just remember what Margaret Thatcher once said: “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

#139 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:18 pm

Orange crush – may take over in the next federal election. The tipping point.

ME: I am a conservative, liberal, democratic SOB willing to protect our natural environment over the short term profits of foreign companies. I take it Canada doesn’t have the know how to refine oil into gas?? Why not cheaper gas/electricity to give our local business and residents a competitive advantage.

Trudeau has a trust fund to fall back on?…Harper’s son is tweeting like a grown man-child?

The state of political misinformation is damaging this country. Time to legislate the ability to fire politicians on the spot…no more waiting for the next election. No recalls, stringent laws and if they break them. No soup for them!

Rant over!

#140 barb on 05.22.18 at 10:21 pm

NDP would be a disaster for Ontario. If people think Wynne Liberals were bad, the NDP would be so, so much worse. The debt will continue to balloon.
Socialist policies will strangle the economic engine of Canada.
I am a woman and I like/trust Doug Ford. I truly believe he can fix our problems.
Please, get out on June 7th and vote for PCs.

#141 Game Over on 05.22.18 at 10:25 pm

The NDP will be a disaster. They are already cooking the books and they aren’t even in office yet. Ontario has a massive debt problem and we need to cut spending ASAP. And this whole hyperbole about buying booze in the grocery store is ridiculous. Montreal has it and it’s not like The Purge there. They are just scared of their monopoly and loss of revenue. What is more frightening though, is the sanctuary province proposal. Hell, wait times are already ridiculous, we are just gonna bring all the health care tourists for a quick kidney transplant or Ebola treatment?? We really can’t afford any more left wing BS provincially or federally. It would just be nice if the Conservative party didn’t look like the Republican Party from the simpsons..

#142 Herb on 05.22.18 at 10:26 pm

#23 Mark,

here ya go, buddy. Download the spreadsheet version of the Ontario Sunshine List and let us know how many $160 K secretaries are on it. The job titles are shown, so it will be real simple.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/public-sector-salary-disclosure-2017-all-sectors-and-seconded-employees

#143 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:26 pm

#50 jas on 05.22.18 at 6:39 pm

Sickening to see how dumb people can be in AB, BC and now ON to be so eager to choose the orange dippers.
I thought the USA voters were the most ignorant, but I guess that title is now deserved by AB, BC and soon by ON ignorant crowd too.
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Jas Johal is that you…former global bc media repeater turned BC Liberal MLA?

#144 Rick Mason on 05.22.18 at 10:33 pm

Barb, I agree. PC is are only real chance of turning this province into a job producing, economic powerhouse that will give people more freedom, prosperity and financial responsibility and prudence.

More excessive debt, spending, taxes is the way to ruin. This is what the Liberals did and the NDP will do even much more. People are delusional with socialism. It is a pipe dream.

#145 Fish on 05.22.18 at 10:33 pm

Please I’m still not ever going to talk to the guy with the green truck with garbage with Alberta plate

Do you feel the love on this site kinda like firetrucks, all heart roses are red, violets are blue sugar is sweet oh I forgot the rest, kinda grey

#146 Wise old owl on 05.22.18 at 10:37 pm

Does anyone remember Mike the knife?
I do!
War on the nurses, who left Ontario and went to Texas.
War on the teachers who retaliated with no extra curricular activities for our kids, and afterwards voted Liberal.
War on the civil servants who had to put tape recordings on their phones that said ” I am either away from my desk or helping another client” while they were downsized and looking for another job.
Where do you think Ford will find the inefficiencies/savings/waste in the system?
This time it’s NDP in spite of Bob Rae and his Rae Days.
WOO

#147 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:42 pm

#81 Ex-Cowtown on 05.22.18 at 7:58 pm

A quote from the Vancouver Sun comments section regarding BC’s court challenge to stop Alberta from stopping the shipment of oil to BC:

“So let me understand this scenario. Alberta wants Kinder Morgan to enlarge a pipeline to transport Alberta crude to the west coast. The minority (BC) government of the day wishes to block this effort due to threats to the environment and presumably climate change (or whatever is the flavour of the day, week, month. The Alberta government of the day wishes now to restrict oil being transported to BC. The BC government of the day wishes to get an injunction against Alberta to allow oil to be transported to BC. To my incredibly weak mind, it seems that Alberta is doing what BC wants and now BC is trying to prevent them from doing it. Is everyone in BC completely retarded or is it just me.”

Nail.Head. Hit.
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Swing and a miss…big thumb for you.

You are quoting what a pro oil and gas newspaper is quoting. The Vancouver Sun/The Province are advertisers for CAPA.

The Alberta legislation is not constitutional.

Federal, Provincial and local communities have jurisdiction over environmental matters. A good chunk of BC’s employment relies on our environment.

BC wants a spill protection and response program…Why is that so hard to do?

Where did all the Albertan oil money go?

#148 Dead Cat Bounce on 05.22.18 at 10:44 pm

When I was 10, way back in ’73… (BC born and raised) the 1st original Trudeau was in power.
My Grandfather told me that there was one thing, and one thing only I needed to understand about politics.
Always vote for the guy that’s not in power, they can only screw so much stuff up in 4 years he said.
I still remember that to this day.
M55BC

#149 Myra Andrews on 05.22.18 at 10:51 pm

Greater Vancouver Stats from realtor Paul Boenisch

May 21 New 477 Sold 143 TI: 11,496

May 18 New 226 Sold 119 TI 11,208
May 17 New 191 Sold 110 TI 11,161
May 16 New 235 Sold 147 TI 11,133
May 15 New 315 Sold 178 TI 11,127
May 14 New 302 Sold 124 TI 11,052

May 11 New 183 Sold 132 TI 10,935
May 10 New 229 Sold 126 TI 10,957
May 9 New 309 Sold 172 TI 10,914
May 8 New 318 Sold 117 TI 10,835
May 7 New 389 Sold 131 TI 10,697

May 4 New 191 Sold 110 TI 10,540
May 3 New 213 Sold 103 TI 10,503
May 2 New 268 Sold 146 TI 10,481
May 1 New 363 Sold 134 TI 10,420
Apr 30 New 375 Sold 163 TI 10,459

April 16-27 New 2453 Sold 1224 TI 10,347
April 3-13 New 2111 Sold 916 TI 9,727

Mar 19-29 New 1834 Sold 1072 TI 9,032
Mar 5-16 New 2248 Sold 1224 TI 8,743

The inventory at the end of February was 8,211

#150 The great commie unwashed on 05.22.18 at 10:56 pm

After the spectacular commie gong show that is BC and AB… bingo ON goes…. metoo.

Where do these clowns think prosperity comes from.. a luxury car tax… PURE COMMUNISM.

#151 Pete on 05.22.18 at 11:10 pm

At best it seems NDP could get a minority government. If that’s the case they would have a hard time implementing some of their policies?

#152 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 11:12 pm

“#121 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 9:37 pm
#86 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 8:06 pm

I’m sure the teachers and nurses unions will be happy to hear about the cost-saving strategies the NDP will come up with to help the poor. Maybe kids will get 2 weeks for March break again as their teachers take unpaid leave to help balance the books.”

Drama Queen! It was 28 years ago that Bob Rae and the NDP won that election. Get over it!

#153 Eco Capitalist on 05.22.18 at 11:15 pm

In order to help get people off of drugs, we spend millions rounding up the drug dealers.

It doesn’t matter what party you vote for, Ontario’s drug of choice is DEBT. That won’t change until we round up the dealers.

Do you see the problem now?

#154 Pete on 05.22.18 at 11:49 pm

What horrible choices. I am NDP but her policy is a little to extreme on the crazy free side(I do believe public is cheap than private when it comes to services…think Hydro as proof). Ford is just an idiot corporate sell out who will benefit corporate interests while the working person gets the shaft. The Liberals are like the conservative scum but the difference they will throw you crumbs. The greens would be the best choice today due to the three crazy idiots running. No majorities please.

#155 Doug t on 05.22.18 at 11:51 pm

The comments tonight say a lot – it speaks to the fact that most actually pay attention to and care about the farce that these elections are – people wake up – it’s a waste of your precious time on this rock – it means nothing at all – zero, zilch, nada – focus on things that matter NOT this useless tripe – time is something you can’t buy and boy it is wasted on the voting process

RATM

#156 Vanreal on 05.22.18 at 11:52 pm

Dear Ontario voters. Take it from someone in BC, don’t vote NDP they ruin everything they touch. They have been in only a year and BC is already going down the tubes.

#157 Unhinged Trader on 05.22.18 at 11:53 pm

Will be voting for the NDP of course. Etobicoke South

The only party still talking about manufacturing, labour unions and wages.

The speculation tax is most welcome, I hope the CRA start retroactively investigating every house flip back to 2004 to determine the tax obligation.

Those earning north of 200K can afford the extra tax burden and it’s better we keep the capital on these shores because any surplus these folks take home ends up heading to Germany anyway – Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc.

Bitcoin is on sale for four days BTW.

#158 Wait There on 05.22.18 at 11:56 pm

FREE is the most compelling word. The country already proved that they believe budgets balance themselves. So it is not much to ask Ontarians that FREE does exist. They know it does after all the most trustworthy leader of the NDP says it will all be FREE.

#159 morrey on 05.22.18 at 11:58 pm

NDP. Tommy Douglas. Universal Health Care.

Or move to the USA and see how that feels.

#160 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 12:01 am

I’ve said it 100 times, it’s not the government; it’s the voters. It’s blatantly obvious that few in Ontario care about the Provinces’ financial situation. I guess it’s to be expected from folks who live permanently in debt up to their eyeballs.

An NDP win in Ontario would also signal something more worrisome – that the entire country is indeed slowly turning into a collection of self centred beggars. Keep an eye on it if you’ve got something to lose, learn about the progressive steps that take place on the way to insolvency. Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Greece, etc.

You can always hope for a better government, but if the voters themselves are the problem, expect things to get worse before they get better. You can’t change anyone’s mind once it’s made up. Only suffering, empathy, and time can do that.

Or you can skip the education and just remember this: If the federal government ever begins talking about meddling with prices in the grocery store, proceed directly to your bank, withdraw everything you’ve got, and immediately exchange it for some other currency.

Then pack up and get out.

#161 BillyBob on 05.23.18 at 12:04 am

#91 MF on 05.22.18 at 8:23 pm
#87 BillyBob on 05.22.18 at 8:10 pm

–>Calls Canada too socialist

–>Moves to Europe, home of the most socialist system on the planet

^pick one

MF

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So speaketh the man-child who cries at the very suggestion of leaving the GTA, let alone Canada. How completely predictable.

Europe is not a “socialist system”, it’s a geographical area. Perhaps you’re thinking of the EU? An entity with which many of its members are increasingly unhappy with, one is leaving, and has still others drifting right, not left. Perhaps you should study up a bit more, seeing as actually going there would be too triggering for you.

As it happens, I’m heading to the one that’s leaving the EU. But that’s neither here nor there: trying to defend the horrid place Canada is headed by attempting to insult somewhere else has to be the weakest of weak arguments.

But then, your main talent appears to be doing absolutely nothing, then complaining endlessly about it.

So I guess you have that.

#162 Canada=Poor cousin of U.S on 05.23.18 at 12:11 am

Love the NDP agenda. Me and Family will be voting them this time.

#163 Fake News Again on 05.23.18 at 12:41 am

Thanks to our Autocracy pretending to be a “democracy” and overpaid Govt Workers…..like in ON-Tar-I-Owe and Bring (more) Cash….CanaDUHHHHH is doooooomed.

#164 Fake News Again on 05.23.18 at 12:47 am

Neo on 05.22.18 at 8:45 pm
“Wow. University. Of course you deserve a house. – Garth”

In Silicon Valley, San Francisco and Seattle, the tech industry is causing unaffordable housing due to the high salaries they receive as a result of their hard work and innovation. Selling their wares and leading humanity into the future generate trillions of dollars in economic activity.

Of course that logic doesn’t apply in Canada where the country itself is the product for sale.

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The tech industry in Silly Con Valley is NOT an innovator/disruptive hub anymore. Its a sales con selling your personal information to the highest bidder. Read a book…..

#165 Ghosts of Temple Past on 05.23.18 at 12:56 am

I’m impressed by how many lies and dog whistles you fit into this post, Garth. Feel scummy yet? You should.

#166 fishman on 05.23.18 at 1:39 am

In B.C. the urban educated coastal elite is Dipper/Green provincially & Liberal federally. Just Google a riding map. these are older white richer people. Their scared. Afraid of immigration & competition that implies. Afraid that they haven’t got what it takes to hold their social(economic) position.
The ethnic blocks are having a hard time figuring this one out. Which way do we go,Which way do we go?
My Dipper is really digging in, he’s a tough sawmill guy & won’t back down. Next door Dipper knows she falters a second, it will be tar & feathers;backwards on a horse out of town.
Let history unfold as it will. Surely those wise Ontarions will take the high road & chose a Dipper. Three Dippers & a “lil potato”The big three net equalization contributors all socially & politically correct with a shining fearless Leader at the Helm. how quaint, how sweet, what could go wrong? Onward Revolution! Is this an Alexander Kerensky moment?
Just like when we were kids.
One potato,two potato,three potato,four, rock,paper,scissors. Winner take all.

#167 Buy? Curious? on 05.23.18 at 1:51 am

Yes!!! Go NDP Go! Tax the Old because of all their hoarding of wealth! Haha!

https://youtu.be/qX2qAQlq8y8

Oh, and that old guy, Conn Symthe who commented yesterday is an idiot.

#168 Deadmonton on 05.23.18 at 2:04 am

If voting was that effective, it would be illegal. Do like the majority of Venezuelans, and stay home! Don’t be fooled by the illusion of democracy. I can tell you one thing, I won’t be wasting my time anymore.

#169 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 2:10 am

SCM. Let’s do it. NDP all the way.
I’ll even hammer in a few signs. Lets put the final nail in real estate. And the value of corporations in the toilet.

Haha. Long term planning and vulching is so under rated.
Soros is great teacher.

#170 Fortune500 on 05.23.18 at 2:57 am

Man do I wish there was a more centrist party. Even something slightly right of center. I mean, fiscally conservative but more socially liberal. Why do we not have this option in Canadian politics? Or a Classic Liberal option? Sucks for the silent majority these days …

#171 jane24 on 05.23.18 at 2:58 am

The Conservatives world wide have always been supported by the upper to middle classes, the already-made-it and strivers of the country. Canada doesn’t have many of these people any more. They have all already been taxed out of existence and left poverty struck trying to buy or hang onto their family homes. Of course they are going to vote for free jam, who wouldn’t. They literally have nothing to lose.

Plus too many have forgotten or didn’t experience, as too young, the NDP Bob Rae years. I remember them, when Ontario tried to spend it’s way out of a world -wide recession and surprise surprise we just ended up with huge debt as well as said recession.

Doug Ford blew it when he said he would revoke the foreign RE buyers restrictions thus indicating or implying that he was on the side of the global 1% and money laundering rather than the side of young Ontario families looking for a home. Guess what Doug, these foreign buyers don’t vote, the middle class homeless do. Guy is obviously brainless. I hope he loses big. Has no actual policies either.

I left Canada for Britain with my family in 1992 as Bob Rae increased my taxes over 50%. I couldn’t juggle the Canadian cost of living back then. It is far worse today. Lots of other families will this time too. May not flee to Europe like us but lots of other provinces to find a nice affordable family home.

#172 Randy on 05.23.18 at 3:33 am

Canada Revenue finds 600 million in unpaid taxes in BC and Ontario real estate

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/05/22/cra-finds-nearly-600-million-in-unpaid-taxes-in-bc-and-ontario-real-estate-sector.html

#173 Steve French on 05.23.18 at 3:33 am

Smoking Man, I’d have a beer with you at the Casino.

I’m up for a drunken politics debate. I’d debate you under the table, although since I’m a Dudeist Priest I would not initiate any violent aggression.

Let’s invite the SCM too. Get the twitter periscope going.

But I’m not in Toronto this month.

Next time.

#174 Steve French on 05.23.18 at 3:43 am

Hey Smokey:

A big-time American writer just passed away today.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/may/23/philip-roth-portnoys-complaint-and-american-pastoral-author-dies-aged-85

You could learn some literary lessons from him, grasshopper.

#175 Howard on 05.23.18 at 3:58 am

Ford jumped the shark when he vowed to repeal the foreign buyers’ tax. Based on that alone, I hope he loses.

An NDP minority is doable. I hope the Liberals are decimated.

#176 Howard on 05.23.18 at 4:00 am

#139 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:18 pm

Trudeau has a trust fund to fall back on?…Harper’s son is tweeting like a grown man-child?

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Harper’s son is what, 19? Give him a break.

And he is not (yet) a politician so what does it matter what he tweets?

#177 Howard on 05.23.18 at 4:16 am

#70 KLNR on 05.22.18 at 7:32 pm

LOL, cons just never learn. Select a leader with half an intellect and they may win an election one day. should have one the last 2 easily. sigh.

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I’m sorry, but after T2, you Liberals have no place to cast aspersions on the intellect of any Conservative leader ever again. And I’m not a Ford fan, I was for Elliott.

#178 Howard on 05.23.18 at 4:20 am

#86 The real Kip on 05.22.18 at 8:06 pm

“#20 SimplyPut7 on 05.22.18 at 5:45 pm

Most people in Ontario who vote were old enough to remember Bob Rae days and welfare recipients making as much as lower income families working full-time jobs.”

And that includes you. If you’re old enough to remember that election then remember it correctly. It was David Peterson and the Liberals who knew Ontario was headed into a deep recession and called the election early to try for another majority. For his trouble the voters handed him his head on a plate and Bob Rae was simply in the right place at the right time. Ontario went into that recession in 1990 and Rae took much of the heat for it but the stage was set before he became Premier.

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Your comment does not contradict #20’s remark re: absurdly generous welfare payments during the Rae years such that Ontarians were better off on the dole than working.

In fact your comment has absolutely nothing to do with that.

#179 Mobius on 05.23.18 at 4:42 am

Canada has real ochlocracy.

I think an dictatorship/monarchy would be much more efficient.

Divide all governments by 10 or by 100.

#180 Howard on 05.23.18 at 4:49 am

#29 Ustabe on 05.22.18 at 6:01 pm

The fact of the matter is, women are net takers from the system whereas men are net contributors. So of course women will be more responsive to socialist promises. They aren’t the ones paying for them. Not to mention the female-dominated civil service sucking up the benefits paid for by the male-dominated private sector.

Re: “low intellect” – you don’t get to use that insult after your side elected Justin Trudeau.

I’m okay with the NDP winning this election though. I soured on Ford when he promised to axe the foreign buyers’ tax. If the Ontario NDP can emulate the BC NDP’s housing measures, fine by me. If the Feds won’t do anything – such as abolis or at least cap the RE capital gains exemption or exert pressure on the the putz Poloz to raise the damn rates already – then the provincial governments are forced to adopt more intrusive measures.

#181 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 4:52 am

By and large, Canadians / Ontarians live in a bubble.

Accordingly, on average, they know very little of socialism / communism, its constructs and history of abject failure.

I fear that they are about to embark on an intensive and very unpleasant “co-op” course.

#182 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 5:04 am

to # 137 Danny

You might “hate Ford” , but you are gonna hate what happens to your province a heck of a lot more – and for a lot longer.

And if you have children, maybe one day they may hate you for destroying their opportunities in the future by voting in a socialist government now.

This election will determine / shape the future of Ontario for the next 10 to 20 years.

If you want that future to be a socialist dystopia, then by all means vote Lieberal or ‘Dipper.

#183 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 5:13 am

to # 130 Don

No, Kinder Morgan is building a $ 7.5 Billion pipeline with no market to sell to.

As if – get real.

Besides, what do you care – it is the company and its shareholders’ money at risk, not yours.

The building of the pipeline itself will generate much economic activity whether profitable or not – and that is what its opponents are missing.

You just get the benefits of increased tax revenue that pays for the societies policies at large for which you have made zero investment.

Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for Canadians, no ?

#184 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 5:52 am

People will vote NDP in as they think it will address the “wealth gap” they ‘suffer’ under and improve their lot in life.

Unfortunately, their critical ‘thinking’ has been compromised /impaired by their indoctrination / education to such an extent that it prevents them from adjudicating the implications of their choice.

For this, they will get what they desrve, rather than what they ‘want’.

Screw’em !

#185 Oft deleted much maligned stock picker on 05.23.18 at 6:18 am

With 70% of the Canadian economy throttled by NDP socialists and 100% being kicked in the NAFTA by Trudeau socialists Is say it’s a great time to get the hell out of Canada. Who’s going to invest under those conditions? 100% taxation coming to Canada….and after that the status quo will demand confiscation. You want free? This is recipient for a system that will leave everyone with nothing. Lol.

But opportunities abound elsewhere….salaries are double in the US and Asia. And for the hard core “energy haters”… have you noticed global demand for oil and all commodities is on a tear? What does that mean? Canadians will miss out on everything except the higher taxes…..get out while you can.

#186 Steven Rowlandson on 05.23.18 at 6:34 am

“If the orange guys get the keys in early June Canada will have socialist leaderships in three of the biggest provinces”

Bad news people but you always have socialist PC government regardless of who forms the government because that is all that is legal on the ballot. You all are mentally and physically trapped and are in the Matrix….. Now swallow the blue pill and go back to sleep.

#187 NoName on 05.23.18 at 6:37 am

I did mention car payments yesterday, so this below doesn’t surprise me much, also yesterday I read and after all that election FB and Cambridge analytica uptick in FB usage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-05-22/borrowers-pick-mobile-phones-over-cars-as-daily-dependence-grows?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.businessinsider.nl/people-increased-facebook-usage-after-cambridge-analytica-scandal-2018-5/

#188 OttawaMike on 05.23.18 at 7:18 am

119 Ron Jenson on 05.22.18 at 9:29 pm

Nordic countries are small insignificant populations.
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So just like Canada then?

#189 dharma bum on 05.23.18 at 7:46 am

#37 Rifles

Surely you mean “cutting company TAXES…” not profits?
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Of course. And don’t call me Shirley.

#190 the Jaguar on 05.23.18 at 7:55 am

@ #147
Where did all the Albertan oil money go?

There it is, you see. The resentment that underlies a lot of the bickering back and forth. While it’s true the current headlines and most significant issue surrounds the Kinder Morgan Pipeline expansion, the underlying current of B.C.’s resentment of Albertans and their hard earned money is an old theme. A very old theme. Especially on Van Island and in the BC interior. In the lower mainland they have a little more work ethic and other role models of industrious behaviour to live up to…
There will be no surrender from your eastern border. Not in our DNA. The only quitters here are the ones that come with the ebb and flow of economic cycles. The pressure will be on this coming summer.

#191 Tater on 05.23.18 at 7:58 am

#51 MF on 05.22.18 at 6:47 pm
#14 JM on 05.22.18 at 5:35 pm

That’s easy.

Whoever the Conservatives choose will have their name (and their family, friends, business partners, acquaintances) will be lambasted endlessly in the Liberal media for years and years. Possibly forever (witness the idiots/people still blaming Harper on here for everythign).

Everything bad will be blamed on them, and they will get no credit for the good they do.

Also, after a socialist government of worthless handouts, the necessary cuts make them out to be “the bad guy”. It’s sort of like a mom telling her 5 year old kids to stop eating ice cream because its unhealthy.

Basically anyone over the age of 25-27 who votes socialist is usually a loser in some form.

MF
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Perhaps some of us don’t mind paying higher taxes to avoid having a mouth-breathing, hypocrite, misogynist leading the province where we live?

And I very much have skin in this, the NDP tax plan will cost me 8 to 10k per year.

#192 jess on 05.23.18 at 8:15 am

dolce :…door to door

Former FBI special agent Clint Watts was tracking Islamic State terrorists and their propaganda on Twitter in 2014 when he first encountered a different kind of troll.

“withdrawal from information sources altogether because people don’t know what to believe. I worry about that. They’ve suffered information annihilation and they’re tired. This is what happens in Russia. It leads to political apathy.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/05/russia-trump-election-attacks-twitter-facebook-clint-watts/

hack to diminish : “well see they all do it too”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-doping/swedish-sports-body-says-anti-doping-unit-hit-by-hacking-attack-idUSKCN1IG2GN

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The Demographics of Wealth
2018 Series
Essay No. 2: A Lost Generation? Long-Lasting Wealth Impacts of the Great Recession on Young Families | May 2018

for scm:
https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/essays/HFS_essay_2_2018.pdf?la=en

#193 Oft deleted much maligned stock picker on 05.23.18 at 8:24 am

Hundreds of millions is pouring in from Americans profiting from Cap/Trade boondoggles that suck billions out of Canadian pockets. California will sink without it. Also afraid are the green carpet baggers that the ZEV subsidies will disappear….Elon Musk on particular will sink if the Testa subsidies are killed…..and with it the green dream. If you don’t know about this you should educate yourself as to why Americans are so violently opposed to democracy in Canada. They paid for Trudeaus election, they bought BC and AB…now Ontario. Canada is where the guys that lost the Obama / Clinton regime are fighting for control. They beat Harper….they can certainly beat Ford. I expect confiscation will become necessary to maintain the unionized status quo….meaning no more capital gains free houses and straight up slashing of equity and capital holdings.

It looks grim for Canada….but look what’s happening on the States. Shipping rates on dry bulk carriers and contract are trebling …. DTA indicates that trucking is over capacity and quickly pushing up wages and haul rates. Canada is in the toilet being held up by emergency low rates and additional billions in debt by government. Investing in the US is the only sensible option. The new ‘balanced’ approach is 90% US equity and 10% Beaver reporting in USD. Even with collapse of Iran and Venezuela the Loonie is still diving. That’s got to tell you something. Get Out!!!!!!!!

#194 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.23.18 at 8:26 am

@#143 Don
“Jas Johal is that you…former global bc media repeater turned BC Liberal MLA?”
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Ahahahahahaha
Good one Don.

Jas Johal. Former BC Glow-ball reporter that quit his job as a media lickspittle to work full time for the Oil and gas industry doing “infomercials”
And when that became tedious he was led into politics by the same cash cartel.
Spewing whatever political propaganda was shoved into his grasping claws for the good of the Christy Clark party.
I think he was one of many “reporters” in the Global pig pen that snuffled up to the trough.
Pamela Martin and several others come to mind.
Apparently local CBC reporters were either too ugly, too left leaning or too lazy ( or all three) to bother applying at the political money trough.

#195 Grey Dog on 05.23.18 at 8:32 am

Christie Elliot YES NODoug FordNO
I watched the PC leadership debate, how on earth did Christine lose? She was more qualified than all the rest put together!!!

Why are votes from the country count or weigh more? Apparently she got more votes.

I for the first time in my life am planning to show up at the voting site and when presenting with my ballot, tell them “I DECLINE “. I’m going to ask them to put Christine Elliott behind the decline.

What else can I do?

#196 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.23.18 at 8:32 am

@#149 Myra Andrews
“May 21 New 477 Sold 143 TI: 11,496”
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Listings UP UP UP!
Sales…..not so much….

:)

#197 Justin Wingdon on 05.23.18 at 8:34 am

If you pay income tax in Ontario and fall in the upper 50% of income earners, you’re totally clued out if you vote anyone other than PC, irrespective of who their leader is.

#198 crowdedelevatorfartz on 05.23.18 at 8:37 am

@#165 Rubbing his Temple
“Feel scummy yet?”
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My my.
So eloquent when you disagree with other people’s opinions.

#199 Alba on 05.23.18 at 8:41 am

#81 Ex-Cowtown
Incredibly weak minds continue to ignore the fact that it’s “oil sands bitumen” that people on the west coast are objecting to.

#200 TurnerNation on 05.23.18 at 8:46 am

I would take Ford…he’s so totally controlled that he’s too scared to screw up – you can see this in his face – and yet he will. They got the goods. His Bro was left to run amok, protected while the real work was done behind him. The noose tightens on us/

It’s our Colour Revolution. Change the flag to be Orange and White with a green marijuana leaf and sickle instead.

The drum has started. Profit and business is BADNESS:
I bet most of these these people are not underweightand have ultra-high speed internet, full cable and the newest Iphone and are fully stocked with smokes and booze.

“in a city where rental rules favour profits over people, according to a new study.”

““There is really no reason to it, other than to allow landlords to charge more rent and make more money,” Hale said. “There is nothing in it for tenants and nothing in it for society at large.””

“Everybody should have access to affordable housing, said Livesay.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/05/22/almost-half-of-toronto-tenants-paying-unaffordable-rent-study-finds.html

#201 Sue on 05.23.18 at 8:53 am

#81 Ex-Cowtown on 05.22.18 at 7:58 pm
A quote from the Vancouver Sun comments section regarding BC’s court challenge to stop Alberta from stopping the shipment of oil to BC:

“So let me understand this scenario. Alberta wants Kinder Morgan to enlarge a pipeline to transport Alberta crude to the west coast. The minority (BC) government of the day wishes to block this effort due to threats to the environment and presumably climate change (or whatever is the flavour of the day, week, month. The Alberta government of the day wishes now to restrict oil being transported to BC. The BC government of the day wishes to get an injunction against Alberta to allow oil to be transported to BC. To my incredibly weak mind, it seems that Alberta is doing what BC wants and now BC is trying to prevent them from doing it. Is everyone in BC completely retarded or is it just me.”

Nail.Head. Hit.

Amen to that! Should have been on the front page. So much ignorance and hypocrisy out there. I read it to my kids at dinner. Thank you.

#202 Alistair McLaughlin on 05.23.18 at 9:12 am

#85 “Although from the socialists I have talked to they view pushing out people like high level software programmers or specialist doctors as a good thing. As then there is greater equality for the middling people left behind.

Indeed, there was a comment here awhile back stating it exactly that way. The commenter said that he didn’t care if some top medical specialists left due to Morneau’s tax changes, because that would just open up opportunities for those who finished behind them in medical school.

We know that attitude exists. But it is still shocking to hear that level of ignorance expressed in plain English. When you’re on the operating table getting a brain tumour removed, you don’t give a rat’s ass about income equality. You want the best son-of-a-b**** in the business cutting your head open, or nobody.

Much as progressives like to believe that “with enough education, anyone can achieve their dreams”, the FACT is that very few people have the innate talents to be a neurosurgeon. And horror of horrors, some of them just might want to keep more than 50% of the marginal income they earn during those long tense hours spent in the operating theatre with someone’s life in their hands.

#203 Howard on 05.23.18 at 9:14 am

As in BC (the current NDP nirvana), there will be a surcharge – “a modest luxury tax” – on cars sold for more than $90,000.

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Why on earth would this be a bad thing? Sales taxes are the best kind of tax (well second best, after the FBT). If rich people don’t want to pay it, they can “settle” for an $80,000 car instead.

They should reduce income taxes and jack up sales tax.

#204 Ciao on 05.23.18 at 9:21 am

It’s a bitch reading Garth’s blog about Canezuela
the sun gleaming off Lake Como.Canada is pooched.

#205 not so liquid in calgary on 05.23.18 at 9:23 am

@ mortgagebroker on 05.22.18 at 5:36 pm

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have you given Saskatchewan a thought? i’m constantly scanning the want ads to go back… been away for half my life, ready to go back

#206 Alistair McLaughlin on 05.23.18 at 9:32 am

You guys calling for a “centrist” PC leader forget what that was like. If they win, they end up just like any other Liberal or NDP SJW. Look at Mulroney’s record if you don’t believe me. And centrist leaders of conservative parties rarely have the full support of their own party, and without the motivated base, they cannot win. Ask Joe Clark. Ask John Tory.

Mike Harris won two majorities. Harper won two minorities and a majority. It is true, Mulroney won two landslides but the result of his progressive leanings was a right wing split and the birth of the Reform Party, leading to the total destruction of the federal PCs. A conservative party needs a leader who can frighten the children a little bit. The mushy middle ground is littered with Red Tory corpses.

And no, Doug Ford is not that guy. He’s not a conservative, he’s a knee-jerk populist. He’d be the ideal mayor of some small southern US city where name recognition and non-stop campaigning are the only things that matter. I knew he’d be a disaster, and that’s what he’s turning out to be. Snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory, just like every leader since Harris has done. You want to win? Vote for a Harris-style “scary” right winger, or throw in your cards.

#207 CJBob on 05.23.18 at 9:39 am

#197 Justin Wingdon on 05.23.18 at 8:34 am
If you pay income tax in Ontario and fall in the upper 50% of income earners, you’re totally clued out if you vote anyone other than PC, irrespective of who their leader is.
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Because…rich people don’t have other issues they care about. Perhaps the environment for their kids?

Well, as long as you’re keeping an open mind, that’s the important thing.

#208 Mike in Edm on 05.23.18 at 9:45 am

A word of warning for those that want change!!!!… Be careful what you wish for!

That’s how the NDP got into power here in Alberta and it has been an absolute disaster:

-Carbon tax raising the price of everything. Fuel is now cheaper in Saskatchewan which is insane. Never in my lifetime has that happened.

-The economy is NOT diversified in the least like they promised (away from O&G). The biggest announcements they made was to give $500Mill to 2 companies to turn propane (which comes from natural gas) into plastic pellets. Their next biggest move was to hire an Ontario company to come to your house and replace your light bulbs with LED’s and add aerators to your taps… I kid you not!… My carbon tax dollars hard at work. They also give rebates to the poor, so the tax is essentially a transfer of wealth.

-Many people here are still out of work. I have several friends that have had to start their own businesses, but these aren’t super successful. They are home based, zero employees, doing side jobs for people.

-Calgary downtown is still a ghost town. Vacant office buildings everywhere. Stampede is in 6 weeks and I’ve seen 1 Stampede party announced. The Stampede is a huge gauge for how the economy is going. If things are cheerful and bright, companies spend money on parties. So far, crickets, even at $70 oil.

-Inflation from the huge/fast rise in minimum wage. 2 for $5 Burger King deals is now 2 for $7. 2 for $5 A&W teens are now 2 for $8.

-It’s all wearing thin on everyone. I attend a lot of concerts, so I pay close attention to how ticket sales goes for concerts, and over the past couple years it has gotten worse and worse and worse. I’m sure a lot of that has to do with the increasing interest rates, but bottom line is few people have disposable income for concert tickets any more. Just read some of the comments on FB – “omg, $170 for a ticket? I can’t afford that”…. Pretty sad when you can’t splurge $200 once a year to see one of your favorite bands.

#209 Marcus on 05.23.18 at 9:46 am

25 years ago Canada was a socialist paradise …….. now she is verging on becoming a communist paradise. Soak it up Canada. You deserve everything that is coming your way.

#210 Mike in Edm on 05.23.18 at 9:50 am

#53 WUL on 05.22.18 at 6:51 pm
Fiscally responsible? You mean like Brad Wall and the mess that Saskatchewan is in? My ass.

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Oh you mean the $500million deficit compared to the $10BILLION deficit Notley’s NDP are running next door in Alberta. Every non-hipster, non-man-bun wearing, non-yoga pant wearing person in Alberta (ie non-NDP, so about 75% of the population) would kill to have Wall as a Premier compared to wack-job Notley and her team of baristas, yoga teachers, and social workers

#211 Milly on 05.23.18 at 9:50 am

Sorry Garth you just convinced me to vote NDP. 3 weeks vacation? Sign me up!

Let me guess… you don’t own a business, never created a job and don’t have employees? – Garth

#212 Howard on 05.23.18 at 9:59 am

A real tweet from esteemed Premier Orville Redenbacher :

Doug Ford is trying to distract voters with a reckless pledge to put beer in corner stores. It’s not safe and it’s not sensible, unlike our balanced approach to adding beer and wine to grocery stores.

It’s like she’s somehow lowering her IQ to what she believes to be the Ontario average.

#213 Mike in Edm on 05.23.18 at 10:01 am

#147 DON on 05.22.18 at 10:42 pm
Where did all the Albertan oil money go?
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To Eastern Canada in the form of Billions upon Billions in transfer payments over the decades. Which, we didn’t mind doing when we were allowed to drill for oil and get it to market. Now that a couple of provinces are acting in their OWN interests rather than in the best interest for all of Canada, we’re getting pretty pissed off and many people are starting to ask the question “What are we getting out of being a province in Canada?”

#214 Bobby on 05.23.18 at 10:17 am

I’ve lived under two NDP governments and both were complete disasters. Businesses were fleeing the province and investment was done. In the end, each were shown the door and unceremoniously turfed out.
As most in BC are now discovering, nothing is free, someone actually pays. And surprise it is them. In the end the lower income family pays much more as prices rise. You cannot raise minimum wages without expecting a rise in prices.
Sure, it makes for great political rhetoric to chant tax the rich. But the wealthy have choices that many do not. Moreover, it is the wealthy that create jobs and initiate business investment.
If Ontario votes for the NDP they deserve everything they get. Here in BC and in Alberta, we can’t wait to vote the clowns out.

#215 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:26 am

Anybody recall “Rae days” During the 1990s recession, the Ontario New Democratic Party (NDP) government of Premier Bob Rae increased the total debt from $35.4 billion in 1989-1990 to $90.7 billion in 1994-1995. They only tripled it! Others have doubled it but they tripled it. They drove away investors like the plague. So let me get this straight when your in a depression you drive the government into more debt? The unemployed people who are not generating any taxable income can’t pay, so the NDP tried to drain businesses? What happened bushiness’s left Ontario never to come back. So what we elect a NDP government to finish off what the Liberals have started to destroy. Good luck Ontario, I’m thinking that we are about to be raped again. BTW Deficit projected for 2018-2019 $325 billion. While Ontario’s population is about one third of California’s, its debt load is more than double that of the biggest U.S. state.
Sorry its time to real in the debt load and control our expenditures with extreme prudence. No more social freebies kiddies. Wynne has emptied the cupboards and if the NDP got to the kitchen they would start a fire to claim the insurance money.

#216 dosouth on 05.23.18 at 10:27 am

Great post to stir debate…..but as polls go you can find one that has the Green Party getting close to tying with the Libs.

PC’s will take it this time and Donald (Ford) Trump will take over the reins in Ontario. Ontarians are just fed up and hopefully voting actually does count vs. corporate and behind the scene crap that has already made the election a done deal with the little voter meaning nothing to the “system”.

#217 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 10:29 am

to #171 Jane 24

Your post is contradictory.

You give a history of the dreadful economic impacts that you, yourself felt under the NDP / Rae government and then you state you hope that the PC / Ford party loses.
Despite the fact that that same NDP was the proximate cause of you leaving Ontario.

So, now, despite your NDP complaints, you are wishing for the same bad fate to befall your former home.
How nice of you to wish ill on us.

#218 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:33 am

#195 Grey Dog on 05.23.18 at 8:32 am

Christie Elliot YES NODoug FordNO
I watched the PC leadership debate, how on earth did Christine lose? She was more qualified than all the rest put together!!!

Why are votes from the country count or weigh more? Apparently she got more votes.

I for the first time in my life am planning to show up at the voting site and when presenting with my ballot, tell them “I DECLINE “. I’m going to ask them to put Christine Elliott behind the decline.

What else can I do?
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I’m still voting PC. Ford will eventually crash and burn then Christine Elliot who will win, can take over. She is a very capable leader. He has a large group of well polished candidates running so all we can hope for is their support and input at Queens Park.

#219 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:40 am

Well it is a vote for three cans of garbage. One stinks more than the others so Wynne is out, now its down to the other two cans of trash. Lets go dumpster diving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-ontarios-choice-whos-least-worst/

#220 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:42 am

#214 Bobby on 05.23.18 at 10:17 am

I’ve lived under two NDP governments and both were complete disasters. Businesses were fleeing the province and investment was done. In the end, each were shown the door and unceremoniously turfed out.
As most in BC are now discovering, nothing is free, someone actually pays. And surprise it is them. In the end the lower income family pays much more as prices rise. You cannot raise minimum wages without expecting a rise in prices.
Sure, it makes for great political rhetoric to chant tax the rich. But the wealthy have choices that many do not. Moreover, it is the wealthy that create jobs and initiate business investment.
If Ontario votes for the NDP they deserve everything they get. Here in BC and in Alberta, we can’t wait to vote the clowns out.
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We should know better in Ontario, but we are stupid people.

#221 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:49 am

One of the main reasons I cant stand Andrea Horvath is my brother works for the Pickering plant and she is vowing to shut it down and put 4500 people out of work. WTF is she thinking, oh she doesn’t think? One of her candidates supports the Leap Manifesto WTF?

#222 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 10:58 am

173 Steve French on 05.23.18 at 3:33 am
Smoking Man, I’d have a beer with you at the Casino.

I’m up for a drunken politics debate. I’d debate you under the table, although since I’m a Dudeist Priest I would not initiate any violent aggression.

Let’s invite the SCM too. Get the twitter periscope going.

But I’m not in Toronto this month.

Next time.
……

At my events we talk trading forex gonzo fiction writing and we rate the quality of near by Steleto shoes..

Politics only talked about in the comments section here. Perhaps a linked in article or too.

I too am an ordained dudist priest. Only certificate I own.

Next time dude…

#223 PeterPan on 05.23.18 at 11:07 am

The day Doug Ford elected as PC party leader Ontario PC is already finished.

#224 Love Guru’s Dad on 05.23.18 at 11:13 am

Long time observer of this blog (lurking is not for me). Daily reader since 2009. Yuge fan. Many thanks Garth.

It is astonishing to me how little it took for the people of this country to turn on each other. My take? The present proposed Transmountain pipeline route is simply irresponsible from an environmental perpespective; it passes through the back yards of over 2 million residents. Try to come up with a pipeline route through Alberta that does that. There are options that will reduce exposure to large populations and the related complexities.

Regardless, in the words of the Wailing Souls,
“We got to be together, love each other, Like sister and brother, We got to be one people.”

What does that look like wrt the pipeline? I honestly don’t know, but we should take the time to figure it out.

M54BC. (Born in Alta)

#225 NEVER GIVE UP on 05.23.18 at 11:41 am

64 Greg Stamish on 05.22.18 at 7:09 pm
The idiots in Ontario have a very bad memory if the NDP gets in.

Bob Rae go away! Remember hearing that over and over. High property taxes, high education taxes, high taxes, fees etc. The public sector wished they never voted him in.

Massive job losses like Ross Perot would say you will hear a giant sucking sound.

I am glad I am retired and don’t have to find a job. Don’t worry NDP will destroy your life and all your free goodies will be a distant reminder.

Socialism never works, never will work and will always never work.
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Another poster compared socialism with Venezuela. That country is a failed state because it is a strong man dictatorship. No socialism there.

Socialist states are marked by great health care outcomes and high educational scores. They also have low crime rates and safe ungated neighborhoods in the cities for the most part.

Think almost all of Europe. You get what you pay for.
Americans think they are rich because they have 910 cars per 1000 people or so many more toilets than other countries per capita or whatever stat that shows their materialism.

None of that really compares quality of life. You have to add in things like crime and incarceration rates. US is highest in the world and also tortures their inmates. There is a bill on the floor right now to ban shackling of mothers in childbirth! How could that need a bill to stop the practice?

They put non violent youngsters in with hardened criminals to be raped. How could that not be called cruel and unusual punishment?

They put mentally ill criminals in solitary for life with no human contact except for a military style squad to go in and subdue them when they act out!

People are forced into cars because they killed the public transit option in the early part of the 20th century. Now you wonder why everyone is obese?

Why not make homes that are just garages. You already have your couch on wheels! You should be able to just drive into your garage and look at the TV with your remote clipped to the visor just like the garage door remote. Then you can just roll down the window and open the fridge thereby saving more calories in effort!

Selfish societies lose out because the money spent equalizing the incomes is often cheaper than the cost of social problems like homelessness and mental illness.

Just look at the mentally ill in the USA. Would you not think that virtually every school shooter is mentally ill?

There is no monetary gain to killing your fellow students. Why would anyone think that is a criminal act.

If someone would take the time to travel to socialist states and see the way of life you would not think so negatively at sharing some of your blessings with those less fortunate.

I know the hard liners like to call them lazy and leeches but if given an opportunity when young most will work hard to be productive. Most of the ones incarcerated in the USA for non violent crime are simply poor people with few options.

#226 paulo on 05.23.18 at 11:46 am

well we live in a area (southern Ontario) where people will pay 1.5 million for run down slanty semi’s with mortgages they can not afford and likely should never have been granted. i think the poll’s are correct,and the sheep will vote in the dippers or at least make it possible for them to form the next goverment, not because they agree with the dipper platform but because its the only alternative to the blue or red. god help us!

we need to change the election act and insert a “none of the above” clause that in the event of receiving 50% plus 1 vote the parties would be required to change there leader and platform and re do the election.

#227 NEVER GIVE UP on 05.23.18 at 11:47 am

Socialism can go too far but in many European states I think they have the right balance of work ethic and sharing for those less fortunate.

There is no perfect system. Only some are producing better outcomes than others.

#228 Fake News Again on 05.23.18 at 11:48 am

Farmer Fred on 05.22.18 at 7:03 pm
A 2018 Ram 3500 Longhorn, the favorite truck of us farmers here in Alberta, currently lists for around $97,000. Would this vehicle be subject to a luxury tax in the new Ontario? I mean sure you could strip it down and get a work truck, but for most farmers the farm truck is the primary vehicle. The wife may have a car, but the farmer doesn’t. He has a diesel truck. He needs the towing capacity.

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You don’t need a fully loaded luxury up the wazoo RAM 3500 for a work truck on a farm. But keep telling your “heavily subsidized ass” that to the tune of the Canadian that pays 100% more for cheese and milk than the Americans do.

What kind of Mercedes does your wife drive? There are NO poor farmers in Canada……..

#229 TorontoBull on 05.23.18 at 11:51 am

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/05/19/why-many-rich-chinese-dont-live-in-china

#230 Fake News Again on 05.23.18 at 11:54 am

Gravy Train on 05.22.18 at 4:45 pm
#90 Deplorable Dude on 05.22.18 at 3:27 pm
#94 Fake News Again on 05.22.18 at 3:53 pm

I’ve stirred up a hornet’s nest, haven’t I? As everyone might have guessed, I love doing that! Hey, Smokey, did you want to get your licks in?

BTW, is there an office pool on the ultimate outcome? :)

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The real question you should ask is what kind of douche would purposely walk over with a stick and stir up a hornets nest. Oh wait……

#231 Shortymac on 05.23.18 at 11:58 am

I think the issue is Dougie sets off all sorts of “complete sociopath” alarm bells in people, myself included.

Also the whole “ex-drug dealer who probably contributed to his sibling’s addiction issues” is a major turnoff.

Rob, despite his addiction issues, seemed to at least care about the people in his ward at the end of the day. It’s why they where so loyal to him.

In Rexdale I’m seeing a lot of Doug signs, I can’t vote because I’m a PR so I’m going to try to convince my husband to vote Liberal instead of NDP or Green to keep Doug out.

ABC – anyone but conservative this election

#232 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 11:58 am

#191 Tater on 05.23.18 at 7:58 am

Perhaps some of us don’t mind paying higher taxes to avoid having a mouth-breathing, hypocrite, misogynist leading the province where we live?

And I very much have skin in this, the NDP tax plan will cost me 8 to 10k per year.
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So… you think DF is a misogynist, and are happy to pay an additional 10 grand in new taxes – not to get the best government services ever offered – but just to ensure DF does not win?

I’ve been going on and on about stupid Ontario voters, and Mr./Ms. Tater here is an OUTSTANDING example.

Joseph Goebbels never in his wildest dreams figured that one could so easily prod the public with a little identity politics and not only have them fall in line politically – but also be happy to give away 10 grand on top!

I say whoever ends up running Ontario (including DF) will be taxing the ever living tar out of folks. My proof is the Taters. Why even try to fix problems any other way?

#233 Ian on 05.23.18 at 12:05 pm

Sad Philip Roth died. Goodbye Columbus!

#234 Gravy Train on 05.23.18 at 12:08 pm

#174 Steve French on 05.23.18 at 3:43 am
“Hey Smokey: A big-time American writer [Philip Roth] just passed away today. You could learn some literary lessons from him, grasshopper.”

Roth on Trump, as quoted in Business Insider magazine: “[Philip] Roth said that Trump is a con artist. Roth … [said] that Trump ‘is ignorant of government, of history, of science, of philosophy, of art, incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English.’

“Roth also said in the email that he expects writers and journalists to continue to use their right to freedom of speech and press as much as possible to combat Trump’s lies and threats to these rights.

“Roth concluded his email by saying, ‘As for how Trump threatens us, I would say that, like the anxious and fear-ridden families in my book, what is most terrifying is that he makes any and everything possible, including, of course, the nuclear catastrophe.'”
http://www.businessinsider.com/philip-roth-trump-and-plot-against-america-2018-5

I couldn’t have said it better! :)

#235 I'm A Believer on 05.23.18 at 12:19 pm

There is a saying loosely as ‘you get what you deserve’ Garth, maybe peeps need to experience it rather than be told about it. So bring it on. Let people experience what free daycare, free tuition, free this, free that, truly costs. People need to finally learn government money is their money! That free thing you want comes off your pay.

#236 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 12:19 pm

#225 NEVER GIVE UP on 05.23.18 at 11:41 am

Another poster compared socialism with Venezuela. That country is a failed state because it is a strong man dictatorship. No socialism there.
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Venezuela did great under Chavez.

Was Venezuela a Socialist country then?

#237 lorne on 05.23.18 at 12:22 pm

#119 Ron Jenson
The Nordic countries are small insignificant population wise anyhow.
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How do you feel about Germany?

#238 Gravy Train on 05.23.18 at 12:22 pm

#230 Fake News Again on 05.23.18 at 11:54 am
“The real question you should ask is [who] would purposely walk over with a stick and stir up a hornet’s nest. Oh wait……”

You do understand the difference between figurative and literal language, don’t you? Oh, no, of course not! You’re a Trump supporter! You have all the subtlety and intelligence of a brick! :)

#239 ken on 05.23.18 at 12:29 pm

Gosh… all these parties, all telling you they know best how to spend our money… One wants to fund “free” daycare and the other wants to fund business, and one (as usual) wants to fund themselves.

Mybe it is time for a re-think on this whole notion of “government knows best”, and let people decide for themselves what their earning ought to be spent on.

Which basically translates to only the one different option in this mess: Libertarian.

With close to a candidate in every riding, it’s time to seriously consider this option.

#240 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 12:38 pm

233 Ian on 05.23.18 at 12:05 pm
Sad Philip Roth died. Goodbye Columbus
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Roth, please, he can’t write worth a shit…
Nothing compared to my talent.

Sad day for liberals ….RIP Philip.

#241 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 12:48 pm

#217 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 10:29 am

How nice of you to wish ill on us.
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You just need to meditate on that thought for a while. Do a few thought experiments, apply solid logic and consider the likely probabilities.

I was going to vote Liberal, but now that the NDP might win, I’ll likely vote for them. That’s a vote for a financial carpet bombing. Less jobs, less pay, less services, and more taxes. Piles more taxes.

Why? Because Ontarians won’t change until they’re shooting dogs and cats to put food on the table like they do in Venezuela.

Ontarians will resist the pain involved in dealing with their issues until the pain of not dealing with them is even greater. This is a well understood human reaction to pain and suffering. We’ll keep taking the lefts and rights from Leonard… until Tyson steps in the ring.

Remember – logic and likely probabilities. Voting in a party with a minority government, or one that genuinely tries to help, will only prolong the meltdown. No party will be allowed (by the voters) to do what needs to be done for long enough to effect a change. That’s called wasting time.

I’m voting NDP to bring maximum pain, in the shortest amount of time. Thus, it is a vote for the resurrection of Ontario in the shortest possible time frame.

#242 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 05.23.18 at 12:50 pm

#224 Love Guru’s Dad on 05.23.18 at 11:13 am
Long time observer of this blog (lurking is not for me). Daily reader since 2009. Yuge fan. Many thanks Garth.

It is astonishing to me how little it took for the people of this country to turn on each other. My take? The present proposed Transmountain pipeline route is simply irresponsible from an environmental perpespective; it passes through the back yards of over 2 million residents. Try to come up with a pipeline route through Alberta that does that. There are options that will reduce exposure to large populations and the related complexities.
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The Transmountain pipeline has been in place since 1953. The new proposal is to modernize and upgrade it. Dummy.
https://www.transmountain.com/planning-the-route

#243 Shawn Allen on 05.23.18 at 12:52 pm

America The Great?

Never Give Up discussed some of the failings of America at post at 225.

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I agree. Many Americans are very fine people of course.

But overall, especially when it comes to crime and punishment I view the U.S.A. as barbaric and hypocritical and racist.

This is a country that hands out sentences of literally hundreds of years for non-violent crimes in some cases.

Their gun laws would be great… if gun technology and the general lack of a need for armed self defense had not advanced since 1776.

#244 Oakville Rocks! on 05.23.18 at 12:59 pm

No way, no how I vote Orange. My Oakville riding will almost assuredly go BLUE (currently Red)!

On the plus side, should my delusional fellow citizens push the ORANGE YOU A WACKO button, the NDP are the most likely to take on the local realtor cabal by opening up the real estate data a la Nova Scotia (as lobbied often by the gracious host of this blog).

Cant really blame people for voting ORANGE, the Conservatives are a mess, have no platform and have a slate of candidates who may have bought their nomination from randy Brown and his collection of federal cast offs and potential criminals.

By voting BLUE you have to hope there will be enough educated adults like Fedeli and Elliott to govern the province and keep Doug on track and keep the SoCon agenda at bay.

As Trump would say… SAD!

#245 Rifles on 05.23.18 at 12:59 pm

Looking forward to an NDP win in Ontario. Doug Ford would have provided too easy a template for the federal Liberals to point to and claim Doug’s federal brethren are cut from the same cloth as the provincial bigots/mysognists/nutjobs. Without a foil to distract the electorate JT will be forced to run on his record. Meanwhile the Cons will be able to point to the mess that Wynne/Howath made in Ontario as representing more of the same in Ottawa. I agree people vote against governments and Justin has given us much reason to do so. Ontario’s ineptitude will only multiply the motivation to rid ourselves of JT’s Liberals. If we don’t, that other political truism, that people get the government they deserve, will be proven once again. No whining.

#246 aa5 on 05.23.18 at 1:08 pm

The Scandinavian countries are also substantially wealthier per capita than Canada. A guy who makes $150,000 a year, will pay more taxes than a guy who makes $100,000 a year.

Likewise Canada has a generous welfare state in comparison to Mexico. I am sure in Mexico the socialist political party is fighting for higher taxes.. but to get Canadian level social spending Mexico would need further economic advances.

#247 TW on 05.23.18 at 1:21 pm

I’m a millennial who has typically voted NDP (I know, so typical). I would love to see a decent conservative party emerge. Be honest about cuts, don’t worry about the gays and keep church out of the legislature, cut the fear based campaigning, stop fighting science and accept reality of climate change (they are conservative, you’d think conserving things would be second nature). I might no agree with their platform, but I would at least respect it.

#248 DFO on 05.23.18 at 1:24 pm

Most countries are shifting to more socialist ideals because it literally produces more happiness (science has proven it over and over!).

Conservatives have pooped all the beds, and now with their idol Trump whose ideologies are alienating decent (and non white/non hetero) people they will cause a massive shift to the left in the US in the upcoming decade and thus the world will follow.

Guess what we’re all going to be paying more taxes and guess what we’ll eliminate poverty and thus vast swathes of crime and other social issues. In addition we will save billions because the reliance on emergency services will drop. Oh and another bonus? A drop in extremist individuals because all these people want is to feel supported and to have hope.

Let’s not forget what party Garth came from!

#249 Tater on 05.23.18 at 1:34 pm

#232 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 11:58 am
#191 Tater on 05.23.18 at 7:58 am

Perhaps some of us don’t mind paying higher taxes to avoid having a mouth-breathing, hypocrite, misogynist leading the province where we live?

And I very much have skin in this, the NDP tax plan will cost me 8 to 10k per year.
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So… you think DF is a misogynist, and are happy to pay an additional 10 grand in new taxes – not to get the best government services ever offered – but just to ensure DF does not win?

I’ve been going on and on about stupid Ontario voters, and Mr./Ms. Tater here is an OUTSTANDING example.

Joseph Goebbels never in his wildest dreams figured that one could so easily prod the public with a little identity politics and not only have them fall in line politically – but also be happy to give away 10 grand on top!

I say whoever ends up running Ontario (including DF) will be taxing the ever living tar out of folks. My proof is the Taters. Why even try to fix problems any other way?
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In addition to his character faults, he also hasn’t put forward a platform. At all. So how am I to evaluate his plan? Only way I see is to look at his character and decide whether he is the sort of person I’d want leading the province I choose to live in. And he obviously isn’t.

#250 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 1:35 pm

#215 je me souviens rae days on 05.23.18 at 10:26 am

BTW Deficit projected for 2018-2019 $325 billion. While Ontario’s population is about one third of California’s, its debt load is more than double that of the biggest U.S. state.
Sorry its time to real in the debt load and control our expenditures with extreme prudence.
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325 Billion, and we’ve got about 5 million (and shrinking) private sector workers paying for that, plus 1.3 million civil servants on top every year.

Budgets are in deficit all the time unless they sold off another chunk of the hydro grid to the private sector that year.

Future infrastructure projects will be built in partnership with private and State held foreign Corporations as our leadership has no money, and no realistic prospects to quickly obtain it. These projects will be “fee for use” for the private side payoff. Government gets the credit right now, then all Canadians from the present till Armageddon get to pay for it.

In the future, our taxes will be unbelievably high, yet we won’t even be able to cross a damn bridge without paying 10 or 20 bucks for the privilege, or take a drive down the ~70 year old 401 without now having to pay a fee to use it.

The Libs got a loan from the bond market to finance a temporary cut to hydro bills. We just have to pay it all back later with interest on top. Ontarians thought this was a good idea.

We’ve got the IQ of an igneous rock. I don’t know how folks could be so stupid.

#251 Lee on 05.23.18 at 1:38 pm

Doug Ford will win this election. Everyone understands that four years of the NDP will put this Province out to pasture given its present levels of debt and horrible level of competitiveness. We would all like affordable daycare, a tuition grant system and all the other goodies Andrea Horvath promises; however, we also know deep down inside there is probably no place in the world where people live as high on the hog as Ontarians, and I don’t know how much longer that can last without putting a cork on things. Also, people say Andrea Horvath is the most trustworthy candidate. Based on what? What decision has she made, what responsibility for the Province has she ever had? What record of decisions does she have that make her so admirable? Based on this measure, Wynne is the best candidate.

#252 Atrate on 05.23.18 at 1:38 pm

I wish people would stop saying the word “free” when talking about the give-aways that both current administration and the NDP are touting. There is no such thing as “free” prescription drugs or tuition or day care. The money just isn’t coming directly from the pockets of voters. It IS coming from additional taxes and service fees, which is a sneaky and less direct way to pay for these “free” things.

I believe we need *less* government, not more. Stay out of my house, my bank account, my investments and my plans for my old age!

#253 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 1:42 pm

The perfect storm.

Dippers leading the polls, and poloz will hike the overnight rate next week.

What could go wrong?…have you listed your house?

Better get moving.

#254 Ace Goodheart on 05.23.18 at 1:47 pm

Biggest thing that concerns me about Dougie Ford is his desire to move the sales of wine and spirits into private stores.

For the 2016-2017 year, the LCBO paid a dividend of 1.935 billion to the Province of Ontario.

Take that away, and a government which is already always in the red ink every year, has to figure out a way to come up with almost an additional 2 billion dollars.

I know the prices are stupid and the whole “social responsibility” thing is a sham, but the LC is a serious money maker for Ontario. Take it away, and the government will have to find the cash elsewhere. And they will find it. They always do. Usually by taxing us to death.

#255 Linda on 05.23.18 at 2:22 pm

#180 ‘Howard’ – your statement that women are net ‘takers’ from the system while men are net ‘contributors’ – what exactly do you mean by that? If you are referring to benefits such as CPP then published data does not support your claim. Women, on average, still earn less than men. Women often have fewer years of contributions to programs such as CPP due to maternity leave; even the adjustment of dropping the lowest 8 years of CPP contributions does not compensate for the fact that most women do not contribute ‘the maximum’ CPP every working year (usually because their earned income is less than YMPE).

Now if you are talking OAS, it would be reasonable to presume women do get more in OAS benefits due to having longer life expectancies than men.

#256 Gonkman on 05.23.18 at 2:37 pm

Wow.. what crazies in the Comments today. You people need to stop reading the MSM news. Seriously.. do some research on your own.

Get your own independent knowledge. CBC is nothing but Liberal/Lefty Hyperbole.

Have ANY of you actually looked at your local Running candidates and read up on them? Probably not….

What does your local running person stand for? They are the one representing you.

All I know is this entire bunch look like Financial Illiterates to me. Which means more $$$ out of my pocket.

Hey I can judge a book by it’s cover as well as the MSM. I bet 1/2 don’t even know what a TFSA is.

https://www.ontariondp.ca/candidates

Scary… Gotta be 200+ Cats with homes with that group…

#257 JohnnyBoy on 05.23.18 at 2:39 pm

#240 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 12:38 pm

233 Ian on 05.23.18 at 12:05 pm
Sad Philip Roth died. Goodbye Columbus
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Roth, please, he can’t write worth a shit…
Nothing compared to my talent.

Sad day for liberals ….RIP Philip.
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Yes and you can write like shit!

#258 Proof ? on 05.23.18 at 2:42 pm

to # 241 IHCTD9

Already thought of that.

Your strategy cannot play out in the next 4 years as Ontario is still a “rich” economy and will take at least 10 to 15 years to reach Venezuelan levels of subsistence, if then.

So, what your strategy will do is indebt the province (and lower its credit rating) in 4 years to a level where policy options become very limited, but not bankruptcy.

Even if your strategy was to work, what do you think will be left , asset wise, to resurrect a workable economic environment ?

How would you attract the foreign or any capital for that matter into a jurisdiction which has just proven its unworthiness as a destination for such ?

And, as you are waiting for to hit bottom, are you (and the average Ontarian) willing to spend 10 years or more in misery and penury ?

I get what you are saying, I would think that the timeline might be much longer than you would think or like to live through.

#259 JohnnyBoy on 05.23.18 at 2:43 pm

#253 Smoking Man on 05.23.18 at 1:42 pm

The perfect storm.
Dippers leading the polls, and poloz will hike the overnight rate next week.
What could go wrong?…have you listed your house?
Better get moving.
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Only idiots like you who had to sell are selling. The rest of us are tough enough to tough it out. We don’t live on the edge. I can sustain ten years of idiot governments without it affecting my bottom line. BTW I thought you are gone from the Greatest country in the free world living in Trumpapocalypse land with the other gun loving racist goofs.

#260 fishman on 05.23.18 at 2:46 pm

DFO, you’ll like it out here on the Pacific. Everyone holds the DFO in such high regard. Especially since they did that merge with Coast Guard. Like everyone knows that having police to do army work & army do police always works out fine. Your dead straight DFO.

#261 Triplenet on 05.23.18 at 2:57 pm

#82 moses71
Best not raise the “Devil’s Advocate” ’round these parts. He is Millennials daddy. Maybe.

#262 PastThePeak on 05.23.18 at 2:58 pm

#254 Ace Goodheart on 05.23.18 at 1:47 pm
Biggest thing that concerns me about Dougie Ford is his desire to move the sales of wine and spirits into private stores.

For the 2016-2017 year, the LCBO paid a dividend of 1.935 billion to the Province of Ontario.

Take that away, and a government which is already always in the red ink every year, has to figure out a way to come up with almost an additional 2 billion dollars.

I know the prices are stupid and the whole “social responsibility” thing is a sham, but the LC is a serious money maker for Ontario. Take it away, and the government will have to find the cash elsewhere. And they will find it. They always do. Usually by taxing us to death.
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Your biggest concern is one party thinks that “retailing” (you know – selling stuff) isn’t a core job for the government? That selling alcohol, that has been around in one form or another for thousands of years, is a job only the government can do? That, outside of Canada, is done in the private sector the world over.

Good lord…no wonder this country continues to slide…

#263 Tim on 05.23.18 at 2:59 pm

“People in Ontario who make a lot of money (over $230,000) already have a marginal tax rate of 53%, which means they give up more in tax than they keep.”

Garth, why do you keep saying this? That’s not what it means! It means that they give up more in tax than they keep OF THAT PART IN THE HIGHEST TAX BRACKET. That’s what marginal means. You know this. Why do you keep saying this stuff that implies that someone making $230k only gets to keep $108k of it?

You provide a valuable service (for free!) in fostering financial literacy. Why do you contribute to misunderstandings on this one point?

A person making $250,000 loses 40% of the entire amount to income tax alone, then pays 53.3% on every additional dollar. That’s what marginal rate means. The NDP would increase it, as stated. – Garth

#264 PastThePeak on 05.23.18 at 3:21 pm

#250 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 1:35 pm

We’ve got the IQ of an igneous rock. I don’t know how folks could be so stupid.
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It didn’t use to be so bad. Not that the past was perfect at all, but there was a general left – right push & pull. Enough people seemed to understand that unbridled spending was a bad thing, and there was a slight righting of the ship every so often (sometimes by a Liberal gov’t). But in 20 years it has shifted so now it is left & more left.

A combination of things probably: envy; financial illiteracy; some so indebted they figure if the gov’t will pay for child care & prescription drugs, they might be able to afford the mortgage.

I honestly don’t know what will change it. I suppose it will only come when the tipping point is reached. For those who weren’t around the last time, or don’t learn, that is when the debt levels get so high & the ability to repay looks to be fading, that “guys that buy the debt” take charge.

It doesn’t matter what the BoC rates are then – the interest on debt is based on what is needed to get someone to purchase it. The budget can be met without debit, the debt servicing costs increasing every year, and all of those tax increases aren’t doing the job.

Some homeowners might be understanding this in a few years…

#265 Mike in Toronto on 05.23.18 at 3:31 pm

#254 Ace Goodheart

Doug’s math is complete fiction.

#266 Bay Street Guy on 05.23.18 at 3:40 pm

#93 Smoking Man

I’ll have a beer with you! You’re hilarious.

#267 Shawn Allen on 05.23.18 at 3:45 pm

Bring On Liquor Privatisation in Ontario

#254 Ace Goodheart on 05.23.18 at 1:47 pm said:

Biggest thing that concerns me about Dougie Ford is his desire to move the sales of wine and spirits into private stores.

For the 2016-2017 year, the LCBO paid a dividend of 1.935 billion to the Province of Ontario.

Take that away, and a government which is already always in the red ink every year, has to figure out a way to come up with almost an additional 2 billion dollars.

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Don’t worry. When Alberta privatizd the retail stores in the early 1990’s they did it in such a way that they retained basically ALL their profits by charging an amount to achieve that through the wholesale system.

It may be that retail was only breakeven and all the money was in Wholesale. In any case, my understanding at the time was very clear that the total take for the government would not decline at all. Over the years since then, the revenues from this have soared for the government.

I believe the private retailers were able to lower prices and still make a profit by reducing wages from at the time about $15 with full benefits and pensions to more like $8 per hour with no benefits – different workers obviously.

In Alberta we have massive numbers of private liquor stores. Convenience is night and day better. Prices seem cheap too. Competition is fierce.

Interestingly, Mom and pop stores can compete (or at least they survive) with the big chains if they are in a high traffic location since in that case advertising is not needed and every store, even the chains, pay the same delivered price at the wholesaler.

Alberta is inefficient in not allowing liquor in the grocery store (except in a separate building /space). From an efficiency point of view you would allow sales in convenience stores and grocery stores and not go with private stand-alone liquor/beer stores.

Yeah, and don’t worry at all, the government will take whatever share of the profit they want. They will keep a monopoly at the wholesale level. Not to mention they can collect whatever tax they feel like.

#268 Daycare on 05.23.18 at 3:58 pm

I checked this out, and was shocked by it all. This is nothing more than slavery for those living in Toronto with kids. One can move elsewhere, and pay less than half price. My daddy always told me it matters not what you earn, but how much is left over at the end of the year.

#269 rc99ar on 05.23.18 at 4:08 pm

@Ace # 254. Of course you realize when you privatize sales you still collect all of the taxes on the booze and have none of the overhead. They could then increase the tax and the price to the consumer would stay the same as the retail margins are competed away. Also all those booze retailers would pay license fees and income taxes, the net public benefit of privatization is almost always better. (insurance being a possible exception)

#270 IHCTD9 on 05.23.18 at 4:08 pm

#249 Tater on 05.23.18 at 1:34 pm

In addition to his character faults, he also hasn’t put forward a platform. At all. So how am I to evaluate his plan? Only way I see is to look at his character and decide whether he is the sort of person I’d want leading the province I choose to live in. And he obviously isn’t.
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Let’s have some fun:

1. Please link to the evidence you used to determine that DF positively, without a doubt, hates Women.

Would you like to risk telling us the “sort of person [you’d] want leading the province [you] choose to live in”, and then tell us who you are voting for?

That could be dangerous as hell letting me verify your position though – even as well researched as it undoubtedly is….

#271 NoName on 05.23.18 at 4:33 pm

#225 NEVER GIVE UP on 05.23.18 at 11:41 am

People are forced into cars because they killed the public transit option in the early part of the 20th century. Now you wonder why everyone is obese?


thing or two about obesity, no car or public transportation mentioned, but stress was in short video…

6min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQevGDPgRY
20min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z03xkwFbw4

look at the chart
http://twistedfood.co.uk/why-everything-you-know-about-the-food-pyramid-is-a-lie/

#272 FLHTK on 05.23.18 at 4:33 pm

Just found out today that daycare for our 11 month old is going to be $1400 a month! My wife and I have average jobs. I’m at the point now where I just want to leave Onterrible. It’s crazy expensive to live here and it’s just getting worse.

#273 NoName on 05.23.18 at 5:23 pm

#272 FLHTK on 05.23.18 at 4:33 pm
Just found out today that daycare for our 11 month old is going to be $1400 a month! My wife and I have average jobs. I’m at the point now where I just want to leave Onterrible. It’s crazy expensive to live here and it’s just getting worse.

That what you’re “expecting” is called free market day care pricing.

#274 thelie on 05.23.18 at 5:35 pm

The lie that the rich tell themselves is that they made their life the way it is. Same as your neighbour whoes house rose by 100k last year. In truth, they got lucky. Someone making 250k is no more competent at life than a starbucks barista. They just lucked out.

You really buy into this fantasy that the rich deserve what they are “earning”. I bet its because you hang out with them a lot. The fact is that the worse you are paid, the harder you have to work for it. And that is true all the way back to slavery.

i hope one day that everyone is paid the same, and people can do whatever they want to do with their life. Until then, economic equality policies should prevent us from moving more and more to a coporatist despotism. so go ndp go.

#275 Steven Rowlandson on 05.23.18 at 7:35 pm

“$15 an hour is just the starting point.”

No! $15 an hour thanks to the 3 years pay rule and average real estate prices is chump change for students with summer jobs. Adult men need a minimum of home prices over maximum of 6000 man hours as an hourly rate to start.
Either that or a free starter home as a signing bonus.
The employer could write it off as a business expense incurred to attract employees. Garth as an ex government man would that work?

#276 Gerold on 05.23.18 at 9:14 pm

Anyone remember the Ontario NDP’s Bob Ray’s “Rae Days?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Ontario)

#277 georgist on 05.23.18 at 9:45 pm

Not being able to buy beer in a grocery store is like living in some kind of retarded version of reality.

Montreal is where it’s at.

#278 Doug in London on 05.23.18 at 11:03 pm

@Gerold, post #276:
Yes, I remember the Rae Days all too well and thought it was the BEST idea any government ever came up with for cutting costs. Hey, in more recent times I’ve worked part time and LOVED it. In 1993 I was working at Ontario Hydro (a company that no longer exists) and figured, being government owned we would also be honoured and priveleged to get to have Rae Days. Sadly, it didn’t apply to us. Finding that out was the absolute lowest point of 1993. In the 1995 election, and many after that I voted NDP, partly because I liked our local candidate and mainly because I was so impressed to see a government actually think outside the box and try something new that benefits everyone involved. The last time that happened was probably when the Roman Empire was adventurous enough to try expanding into Northern Europe.

#279 Steven Rowlandson on 05.24.18 at 6:28 am

“We will make housing more affordable to Ontarians with a speculation tax.”

If they were serious about affordable housing they would write down all real estate by 95% and cap it at 3 years pay at minimum wage with serious penalties for violators and debt abatement for those who co-operate. The debt is only a number just like much of the currency. Easy to create out of thin air according to need if you have a banking license or are the government. (Yes Garth the big bad secret is revealed to the unwashed masses.)

With home prices in a more credible relationship with single incomes other debts would be more easily paid, more funds would be available for saving and other necessities thus improving the quality of life for most people. I think given all of this the economy would start to grow again.

#280 Dan on 05.24.18 at 2:43 pm

Well, Scandinavian countries are socialists and they have less homeless people living on the streets of their cities, but I guess those who are sleeping their winters on the streets of Turdonto are freedom loving first, right? And also how much influence has mafia in Canada which is owned by Queen of England? Capitalism lost its soul when control was lost to CEOS and managers . Those people are greedy animals and blood in the gutters should be theirs….

#281 Dan on 05.24.18 at 2:57 pm

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#282 ForTheNDP on 05.24.18 at 2:57 pm

The Fords are corrupt. Anyone around the GTA knows that after watching the collapse of Rob Ford’s tenure as Mayor. Does it really surprise anyone that women don’t want to vote for that family? After all the crap that came out about Rob Ford. The fact that many people hold him on a pedestal after all his scandals is enough reason to want to end this circus. Then there’s the Libs….don’t need to rehash anything there. They’re a disaster. So what’s left….the NDP. Not everything is about socialist this, and socialist that. Sometimes, it’s about the lesser of the evils.