Guys

It was a routine. Read some headlines mid-day in the studio. Pop down to Bay Street with a crew to catch the day’s news. Write and edit a package or two in the afternoon. Go into makeup and head back to the studio for the big supperhour newscast.

For a few years, in another life, I was the on-air, talking head business guy at CTV. As gigs go, it was okay. But it was a routine. And I suck at routine.

During this time I wrote a book or two on money, finance and real estate. Sold a lot of them. Speaking requests started to materialize and financial companies called to hire me. Sweet. Before long I understood there was ten times the income to made hitting the road than sitting in front of the TV lights.

So I hired a well-known business journalist to sub for me when I was traveling (my employer was shocked, but eventually agreed) and went off to give talks in exotic places like Kelowna, Halifax, Van, Calgary, London, Victoria and Etobicoke. Soon it was 200 days a year on the road. No time for routine. So I quit CTV, started a television production company of my own, bought equipment, created a weekly business show and purchased network airtime. The whole thing, including a studio on Bay Street, was financed by the sale of commercial time within the show – which eventually became seven productions (including a dog show, of course).

So I dragged along a few CTV people who wanted adventure and weirdly believed in my vision. One of them was Paul Bliss, an ambitious and talented reporter that I eventually promoted to VP in charge of production. We worked shoulder-to-shoulder in the studio and on-air. Paul came to manage a lot of people and a lot of money. Big trust. Eventually I lost my mind again, got re-elected to Parliament, and sold the enterprise. Bliss drifted back to CTV.

The above is background for last week’s news that he had become one of the latest casualties of the #metoo movement. Bliss was accused by a former CTV staffer of an unwanted sexual advance after he stopped working with me. She wrote a blog 12 years following the event and, within hours, Bliss was suspended as a big shot reporter/bureau chief at the network, which is now owned by Bell Media.

This happened a day after Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown was accused of inappropriate sexual behaviour a decade earlier. Ironically, it was CTV that was about to break the story when he started to fight back. But hours later he relented and quit. I know Patrick Brown, too. Worked with him in Ottawa when we were both MPs. He was certainly a quiet guy in those days.

Without a doubt a lot of the manshaming currently going on is justified. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, even in lust and love. However the haste with which organizations are dumping people accused, but not proven, of wrongful behaviour is breathtaking. Allegations can come in a Tweet, a blog or a media tip and the consequences are immediate. The accused are sometimes left fighting shadows. A legal defence essentially impossible. Meanwhile, no job, no income, no career.

This is no defence of Bliss or Brown. They may deserve none. Just that I know both these guys, so their stories were of interest when they broke nationally. It makes every man reflect back on the past decades, scouring for memories of being a masher. And I guess that’s the point – to change basic behaviours now that a devastating form of economic punishment has been found outside of the justice system.

Let’s hope it is wielded with common sense. Men are still useful.

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Speaking of respect, on Friday the comment section quickly turned into a referendum on a person who had been banned twice, most recently for trying to post a profane picture. The debate pivoted on the issues of free speech vs censorship plus whether one individual seeking attention should be allowed to dominate discussion. Related was whether we should tolerate ageism (a constant theme of this poster’s words) when we weed out racism and other ugly isms.

This blog is tough to moderate. Anyone can come here, have a dump in the comment section, and meanwhile my name’s on the top. Keeping the nutbars at bay is a daily concern. Many are deleted. A handful of repeat offenders are banned. But everyone deserves common sense. This site should never turn into an echo chamber of conformity.

Short leash. Two comments per day for SCM. Or purgatory.

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#1 Party on Garth on 01.28.18 at 11:56 am

Household credit numbers for Canada (to the end of December, 2017) from the Bank of Canada:

https://credit.bankofcanada.ca/householdcredit

Business credit numbers for Canada (to the end of December, 2017) from the Bank of Canada:

https://credit.bankofcanada.ca/businesscredit

#2 Ernest on 01.28.18 at 12:00 pm

GUNTER: Trudeau stakes our future on hipster economics

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-trudeau-stakes-our-future-on-hipster-economics

#3 Andrewski on 01.28.18 at 12:05 pm

Pretty simple, your blog, your rules!

#4 JSS on 01.28.18 at 12:08 pm

I’m still an individual stock picker, so I’ll name the good stocks on sale these days:

– CN Rail
– Fortis
– Canadian Utilities
– Atco
– BCE
– Starbucks

Good long term holds for dividend growth.

#5 Penny Henny on 01.28.18 at 12:09 pm

This is no defence of Bliss or Brown. They may deserve none.
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But it is sure hard to prove something didn’t happen when it actually didn’t happen.

#6 Sean on 01.28.18 at 12:13 pm

Garth!

I thought they tightened rules and made it harder to qualify for loans. All they did was give the banks more money.

I went through a mortgage approval recently. Say I wanted to buy a 650k place in Toronto (hard to do). I need 130k down in cash + say 30k more for taxes and closing costs, etc.

But get this. They approved us for a 999,999 (under 1 mil) purchase and I only need 75k down to buy a million dollar house. AND the rate you qualify is lower than if you put 20% down, because the bank is 100% covered and the insurance just gets tacked on to your mortage (so who cares about that today, right?)

Sure my monthly costs would be insane, but I get to live in a nice place with barely any savings needed. This is now when the mortgage premium has gone up and max years is 25.

Imagine how leveraged people got when these numbers were lower and stretched longer. The temptation was just too great. It wasn’t the Chinese buying up the market, it was people in my age range (30s) that were offered a tempation too hard not to take.

Scary scary stuff!

#7 Sterling on 01.28.18 at 12:17 pm

Fair commentary about the man-shaming. There is a fair balance between not tolerating guys being a jack-ass, but the instant guilt in the court of public opinion is problematic.

There is also a difference between men who are elected leaders who act as jackasses, and those who are simply being assholes in the course of their employment, though that employment happens to have a public face to it. A party or government can’t continue with allegations in the air. But perhaps an employee should have a due process? There are no good answers here.

I was there at 372 Bay in the Sterling Tower, during that time of MMTV you describe. Bliss was a stand-up character. As you say, perhaps he doesn’t deserve defence, but I remember him differently.

#8 Penny Henny on 01.28.18 at 12:21 pm

Without a doubt a lot of the manshaming currently going on is justified. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, even in lust and love.
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Yes things sure are getting crazy out there.
Just the other day I was at an exotic dancing establishment and one of the dancers remarked to me “Hey my eyes are up here buddy”.

#9 Johnny D on 01.28.18 at 12:24 pm

So Garth, does the situation with Patrick Brown change how you think the upcoming election in Ontario will turn out?

#10 Slim on 01.28.18 at 12:28 pm

On that note, following is a headline from L.A. Times.

“On anniversary of Auschwitz’s liberation, world remembers Holocaust amid signs of rising hate”

Recently, finished reading book called,

The Journey Back From Hell: Conversations with Concentration Camp Survivors, by Anton Gill.

As a result it’s been on my mind a lot.

We should never, ever forget what can happen. Stand up to hatred.

#11 isuckless on 01.28.18 at 12:31 pm

What happened to Brown and Bliss is a witch hunt. Accusations are enough, no proof needed to kill someone’s career. What happened to Gomeshi’s accusers? Nothing!
Next step is creation of gulags. We are lucky, we have unlimited space for those up north.
Does Canada still have a backbone to fight this!

#12 NoOneOfConsequence on 01.28.18 at 12:32 pm

I love the blog, one of the few I visit daily.

But it’s not just the blog, it’s the color the comments provide.

I am saddened when the majority ends up paying the penalty for a few miscreants.

…blogerrorism….
Isn’t there a block chain solution to this problem somewhere?

#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm

And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?

Given that so much of what he spews ON YOUR BLOG involves direct assaults on women and female same-sex relationships, as well as other bigotry and conspiracy-lunacy, and you allow him to continue in spite of hundreds of deleted comments (compared to a few dozen for SCM), how would you not apply a similar standard?

I am sure you will, Garth.

Sometimes we all get that sense that history is watching.

Now is one of those times.

#14 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 12:37 pm

Liberal leftist assault on free people.

Surprise, surprise:

Canada falls out of top 10 freest countries

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/canada-falls-top-10-freest-161816075.html

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GT: Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, even in lust and love.

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Like the taxpayers screwed by an arrogant ethically challenged financial minister?

Moral is sooooooo old.
Now we have crazy SJWs on a crusade/jihad to
Look at the confused individual at Queens Park, do you see anything human in her/him/zeh..?

Media has sold us put for bribes paid by our own money.

We will dearly regret our conformance and complacency.

It is time for everyone with critical thinking to start fighting back. They can nod everyone to jail.

We can not have people convicted without due process.
Maybe create a fund to sue meeto-ers and complacent employers?

Bottom line: The most likely option is that we would have to burn this dump first and start all over again.

#15 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 12:40 pm

spellchecker damage editing:
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Liberal leftist assault on free people.

Surprise, surprise:

Canada falls out of top 10 freest countries

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/canada-falls-top-10-freest-161816075.html

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GT: Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, even in lust and love.

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Like the taxpayers screwed by an arrogant ethically challenged financial minister?

Moral is sooooooo old.

Now we have crazy SJWs on a crusade/jihad to enslave free speech. Ruthless and determined.
Look at the confused individual at Queens Park, do you see anything human in her/him/zeh..?

Media has sold us for political bribes paid by our own tax money.

We will dearly regret our conformance and complacency.

It is time for everyone with critical thinking to start fighting back. They can not send everyone to jail.

We can not have people convicted without judicial due process.
Maybe create a fund to sue meeto-ers and complacent employers?

Bottom line: The most likely option is that we would have to burn this dump first and start all over again.

#16 earthboundmisfit on 01.28.18 at 12:41 pm

A good reasoned decision regarding the banning.

Tell me …. when did it become a crime for a young single guy to try and get laid? Sounds to me like that’s all Patrick was trying to do. This one has all the makings of a political hit. Whether it’s OLP or PC initiated is anyone’s guess but my thinking is the OLP would have waited until we were at little nearer the election. It’s no secret that PB wasn’t that popular in his own ranks. IMHO, Christine Elliott remains the PCs best shot at taking Wynne down. Here’s hoping she’s still got some fight in her.

#17 jess on 01.28.18 at 12:41 pm

weeding out indeed

Impersonation and deception are illegal under New York law,” Mr. Schneiderman wrote on Twitter. “We’re opening an investigation into Devumi and its apparent sale of bots using stolen identities.”

New York Attorney General to Investigate Firm That Sells Fake Followers

By NICHOLAS CONFESSOREJAN. 27, 2018 (nytimes)

“The internet should be one of the greatest tools for democracy — but it’s increasingly being turned into an opaque, pay-to-play playground,” Mr. Schneiderman said.

#18 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 12:44 pm

#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm
And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?

Given that so much of what he spews ON YOUR BLOG involves direct assaults on women and female same-sex relationships, as well as other bigotry and conspiracy-lunacy, and you allow him to continue in spite of hundreds of deleted comments (compared to a few dozen for SCM), how would you not apply a similar standard?

I am sure you will, Garth.

Sometimes we all get that sense that history is watching.

Now is one of those times.

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I find SM pretty mild in his expressions.

If you know any Serbians, you will appreciate him.
If we apply your judgement half of the people on this earth should be in jail.

Loosen up and relax. Sex helps.

#19 Bitcoinnaire on 01.28.18 at 12:46 pm

Ugh, more dog propaganda for the consumption under-class.

“Throw a stick, and the servile dog wheezes and pants and stumbles to bring it to you. Do the same before a cat, and he will eye you with coolly polite and somewhat bored amusement. And just as inferior people prefer the inferior animal which scampers excitedly because someone else wants something, so do superior people respect the superior animal which lives its own life and knows that the puerile stick-throwings of alien bipeds are none of its business and beneath its notice. The dog barks and begs and tumbles to amuse you when you crack the whip. That pleases a meekness-loving peasant who relishes a stimulus to his self importance. The cat, on the other hand, charms you into playing for its benefit when it wishes to be amused; making you rush about the room with a paper on a string when it feels like exercise, but refusing all your attempts to make it play when it is not in the humour. That is personality and individuality and self-respect — the calm mastery of a being whose life is its own and not yours — and the superior person recognises and appreciates this because he too is a free soul whose position is assured, and whose only law is his own heritage and aesthetic sense.”

― H.P. Lovecraft

#20 OttawaMike on 01.28.18 at 12:49 pm

I curl 3 x a week.

Needless to say curing is dominated by grey hairs. That’s the charm of the game when some septigenarian doles out a come uppance.

After a recent game we all were enjoying our post game drink and the new too debate reared its head. A couple of older retired women piped in that 20-30 years ago society had different norms on what constitutes sexual misconduct and that using today’s yardstick to go back and treasure was cruel and unfair.

I found this to be a profound revelation.

#21 bubu on 01.28.18 at 12:49 pm

#6 Sean… I don’t see also any effect of the B-20 where I leave ( AB)…. It will be the same as when the mortgages went from 40 years to 25 years… no impact, especially on the high end market where money from abroad are dictating the prices…

#22 OttawaMike on 01.28.18 at 12:50 pm

Remeasure no treasure

#23 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 1:00 pm

A drama teacher’s view on economics.
Another day in the mental institution.

GUNTER: Trudeau stakes our future on hipster economics

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-trudeau-stakes-our-future-on-hipster-economics

During his main address in Davos, Trudeau specifically said Canada would not attempt to match America’s new, lower tax rates. Not only did we not need to, in fact the Liberal Canadian approach (higher taxes and more government) would actually give us better growth than the Yanks.

According to Trudeau, we have entered a “new age of doing business.” No longer will managers be driven by profits and losses, but rather by a “values-based” approach to business.

#24 Sideshow Rob on 01.28.18 at 1:28 pm

Interesting trend this #metoo stuff. Some of it is legit but you can’t just fire someone on someone else’s say so. Especially when the “event” happened 20 years ago and no complaints were filed and no charges were ever laid. And yet it’s happening.
Eventually some company is going to get sued for wrongful dismissal. They will pay a huge settlement and the precedent will be set. Rumors and innuendo might be fine in Hollywood and other liberal fantasy lands, but that just can’t be allowed to cut it in the real world. It takes a lifetime to get an impeccable reputation and now it takes only a few words slipping from a (usually) female mouth to wreck a life. This madness has to stop…
It may look like a one way trend but I think it’s really a pendulum that could soon swing just as hard the other way. One day the wrong guy will get accused by the wrong woman and everything will change. Eventually the ultimate outcome could end up being that companies decide that hiring women is just too risky and so they won’t for a generation. Companies may decide, much like they did in the 60’s and 70’s, that women, no matter how skilled they are, just aren’t worth their emotional baggage in the work place. I’m not saying that’s what should happen. That would be a huge step backwards. But I will say this..if I owned a company or was a CEO right now I would first and foremost be looking out for my own best interests. Society is not on my side and I would need to act accordingly. As a father of 2 intelligent and successful young women I certainly hope things get sane again and soon.

#25 DON on 01.28.18 at 1:29 pm

Perception: Has it come full circle. Live by the perception die by the perception. Big orgs need to look good (especially in these times). Firing before proven guilty. But perception is everything. Social media is quick.

Is another shift happening and where we will settle?

#26 Smoking Man . on 01.28.18 at 1:30 pm

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#27 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 1:40 pm

Trump’s new head of EPA says man made climate change, it’s all bull shit. Ahhhhh he’s so right..

The loons are going to go bat shit crazy now.. popcorn and beer, what amazing entertainment we are about to witness.

#28 Smoking Man . on 01.28.18 at 1:50 pm

#27 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 1:40 pm
Trump’s new head of EPA says man made climate change, it’s all bull shit. Ahhhhh he’s so right..

The loons are going to go bat shit crazy now.. popcorn and beer, what amazing entertainment we are about to witness.
………

The above post was a smoking man imposter if no link to my Twitter feed means it’s fake.

I do 100% agree with what he said. Ill be posting some great pics from the beach on it later.
Beach yoga what could go wrong.

#29 Smartalox on 01.28.18 at 1:52 pm

A few thoughts about marshaling, and the #metoo movement.

There’s a distinction that is not often made, between men who are widely accused of repeated, predatory, and malicious behaviour, exploiting power imbalances, or disadvantage to serve their ends, and without a thought about the impact or harm that their actions might have on the other, and those who act out of ignorance: ignorance of another’s feelings, of their status, or their personal situation. Events driven by ignorance are usually isolated, and not often repeated. Furthermore, those that act in ignorance are repelled by the recognition that their actions might have harmful effects, as harm was never their intent.

It’s not a clear-cut distinction, by any means. Ignorance can be wilful, and malice may not be conscious. But the majority of men likely fall into the latter group. I believe that the greatest effect of the #metoo movement will be to promote reflection amongst men, with the goal of reducing ignorance, for those that truly care about women.

#30 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.28.18 at 2:04 pm

@#13james
“Sometimes we all get that sense that history is watching…..Now is one of those times”
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“History” is watching a quasi popular(sorry Garth) Canadian financial blog?!?!?
Churchill, Roosevelt, Einstein, and The Greater Fool………….

Careful james.
Your delusions of self importance are rearing their swollen millennial head again.

#31 Lost...but not leased on 01.28.18 at 2:10 pm

Garth: Please clarify

ALL posters limited to (2) posts per day?

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Re Manshaming and allegations.
IMHO, it’s gotten out of control = many innocent people will have their lives and careers ruined..guilty till proven innocent..yet often no trial…..all the hallmarks of communism.

You know who gets 2 a day. – Garth

#32 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 2:19 pm

#28 Smartalox on 01.28.18 at 1:52 pm
A few thoughts about marshaling, and the #metoo movement.

There’s a distinction that is not often made, between men who are widely accused of repeated, predatory, and malicious behaviour, exploiting power imbalances, or disadvantage to serve their ends, and without a thought about the impact or harm that their actions might have on the other, and those who act out of ignorance: ignorance of another’s feelings, of their status, or their personal situation. Events driven by ignorance are usually isolated, and not often repeated. Furthermore, those that act in ignorance are repelled by the recognition that their actions might have harmful effects, as harm was never their intent.

It’s not a clear-cut distinction, by any means. Ignorance can be wilful, and malice may not be conscious. But the majority of men likely fall into the latter group. I believe that the greatest effect of the #metoo movement will be to promote reflection amongst men, with the goal of reducing ignorance, for those that truly care about women.

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You are correct in principles of course, but blissfully ignorant of their intentions and the laws they introduce.

You can be found guilty for actions/or lack of such/ with no intend whatsoever, something that you did, maybe blow off your nose in public might have offended someone, or maybe one week/month/year/decade after the date your girlfriend had second thoughts, she can accuse you of unintended rape. As she was not 100 % sure, just 90 %, as of remaining not-sure 10 % you will be found guilty as she complains in lieu of notary legalized consent by both parties.

Or you can be sued and end in jail for minor joke.

Make no mistake, these people are serious about controlling you. BTW this is just the beginning of the rise of cultural Marxism which will of course quickly evolve in a severe form of fascism .

Western democracies are not experienced and prepared for what waits them.

#33 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 2:29 pm

Here it is:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-says-sexual-harassment-apos-163420092.html

“We will always defend women,” Trudeau said. “As I said last week in Davos — #MeToo, Time’s Up, the Women’s March are not discreet campaigns for social change. It is a movement, and a movement whose time has come.”

Then we will have marches under the triumphant fuhrer/we already have these actually/, ‘sig hail’ feminism, burning of books and bibles and concentration camps for free thinkers.

They will do anything for power, the fuhrer and his Goebbels/we know very well who that is.

#34 SW on 01.28.18 at 2:34 pm

I’m an old woman. In my long life, I’ve experienced assault, bullying and attempted intimidation in the workplace, outside and at home. It’s not a good feeling. I hope that people can start thinking differently.

If it happened today, I would behave differently; I would not let it go without serious consequences. I understand that such humiliations can rot away at your life, if you let them.

Fwiw, Canada is a good country for women in general and Canadian men are, in general, excellent companions, colleagues and friends. Ymmv.

#35 Yorkville Renter on 01.28.18 at 2:35 pm

#metoo has gone too far… “no means no” and it seems that PB respected that, so what’s the problem? you should never coerce, especially when you have power over the other, but is misreading signals a crime?

pretty soon you’ll need to file paperwork after meeting someone… don’t laugh, it’s becoming a minefield out there.

these BS complaints and decade-old complaints serve ZERO purpose except vengeance, and take away from those who have truly suffered.

imagine losing your job simply because you tried to make out with someone you met a bar and came home with you. crazy.

#36 Smartalox on 01.28.18 at 2:39 pm

One other thought about consequences:

While major transgressions may be grounds to lose one’s freedom, minor ones might not. Although minor transgressions might be insufficient, it may render one unsuited to a role where the cultivation of public trust or the exercise of sound judgement are essential. Mr. Brown might not be due in Jail, but his conduct might mean he’s better suited for work as a sanitation worker, instead of a six-figure salary in a position of public leadership.

#37 John on 01.28.18 at 2:39 pm

ummm Stan is already up to 4….

#38 conan on 01.28.18 at 2:40 pm

#Meetoo is just beginning. I think the worst 5 % of offenders from media, business, or government, are all going to get outed.

I think this way because I met some white collar, cougars on the weekend, and they are all loaded, and ready, for bear.

Repeat offender douche bag types , should expect it, and prepare for it. It might start in Ottawa, or anywhere, for that matter.

#39 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 2:41 pm

#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm
And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?

Given that so much of what he spews ON YOUR BLOG involves direct assaults on women and female same-sex relationships, as well as other bigotry and conspiracy-lunacy, and you allow him to continue in spite of hundreds of deleted comments (compared to a few dozen for SCM), how would you not apply a similar standard?

I am sure you will, Garth.

Sometimes we all get that sense that history is watching.

Now is one of those times.
…….
Dear James it really sucks that your a poor sport when it comes to debates and fun. Your very sensitive and I see your feelings get hurt easily. Even to the point of making threats to myself and our host.

Didnt realize you are so mad. If my sence of humor offended you, my sinsear apologies. Last thing I want you to do is go postal.

Will you accept my apology so we can be friends again.
I’m a bit frightened of you to be totally hounest.

#40 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 2:44 pm

Don’t be angry at T2, he only executes whatever he was told by his bosses.

http://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/in-davos-george-soros-liked-justin-trudeau-but-preachy-dicaprio-gets-cool-reception-from-audience

Drama teachers are wage workers.

#41 Graeme on 01.28.18 at 2:50 pm

Garth,

Speaking of ageism, rarely does a day or week go buy when you’re not (literally) sliming “moist millenials.” Not only is this a form of ageism, in my mind, it also borders on the obscene.

#42 AlMac on 01.28.18 at 2:51 pm

On recent posts by InvestorsFriend re: RRSP and TFSA

Thanks for your examples and discussion. I went through the same arithmetic several years ago to figure out what was best for my situation and continue to update my calculations when assumptions deviate from actual.

I think part of the problem with understanding this topic is the history; many of us contributed for years to high MER mutual funds in RRSPs as it was the only game in town. When TFSAs came along (thanks Garth) together with low cost ETFs, it was viewed as a much better alternative. Plus the TFSA attracts people who think they have avoided tax on their investment profits (TFSAs are ideal of course for income derived from the underground economy – anyone need a new deck?).

You have shown how it can be a wash. Obviously, everyone needs to factor in their unique financial circumstances.

#43 Susan on 01.28.18 at 2:52 pm

#MeToo

#44 Hans on 01.28.18 at 3:03 pm

How does a man defend or protect himself against the allegations? Defamation or libel is a possibility but you have to have the means to be able to pursue it and have reasonable expectation of being able to collect. Turn the tables maybe? But that won’t carry the media forward because all men are evil at the moment. What about asking for proof? No, that’s victim shaming. Hmm. Quite a conundrum.

Scumbags are scumbags and they deserve the repercussions that the legal system affords. (This should go without saying but in this environment, not saying it means tacit approval of the boorish behaviors.) However, I worry for all men at the moment because we are all exposed (not literally like Louis CK- sorry, I couldn’t resist). An allegation can come from anywhere, and anytime and there need not be proof. Boorish behavior is easily the end of your career, and accused past boorish behavior which is subject to interpretation and retrospection, is taken as fact. This is nuts.

#45 Who cares on 01.28.18 at 3:13 pm

#6

I’d love to know if this was a bank? I had a pre approval with one of the big six in Jan 2017 – based on 110000 salary and 150000 down they gave us 750000 to spend. Using the same numbers I got the same approval in the summer of 2017. Now in Jan 2018 using all the same info same bank I’m getting 680000.

Alternative lenders seem to be the problem. My agent told me I can get more to spend if I went to a “guy he knows”.

#46 paul on 01.28.18 at 3:15 pm

13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm

S.T.F.U.

#47 dosouth on 01.28.18 at 3:20 pm

I certainly agree to let the system, any system, judge each person in front of their accusers. The collateral damage is not only them and their careers but their family, friends and mental health. Social Media is continuing to steam roll the processes in place. Bill Maher made a very well positioned statement on the Metoo movement that you may find applicable to your comments today Garth.

Bill Maher – There is a distinction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MZRowhMtc

#48 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 3:24 pm

Here is how it works when you have an agenda:

You tell the Canadians, arguably the most tolerant nation on earth, that there are systematic problems with:
– tax cheating by small businesses
– Islamophobia
– Sexual harassment

and that you are the solution to these systematic problems.

Paid for media (1 billion from our taxes delivered by ministry of finance to CBC) and few small NGO groups representing nobody support you.

You claim everybody opposing you is a hater.

You introduce unjust laws contradicting every single human right and enforce them.

Rinse and repeat.

#49 paul on 01.28.18 at 3:24 pm

#38 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 2:41 pm

#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm
And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?

Given that so much of what he spews ON YOUR BLOG involves direct assaults on women and female same-sex relationships, as well as other bigotry and conspiracy-lunacy, and you allow him to continue in spite of hundreds of deleted comments (compared to a few dozen for SCM), how would you not apply a similar standard?

I am sure you will, Garth.

Sometimes we all get that sense that history is watching.

Now is one of those times.
…….
Dear James it really sucks that your a poor sport when it comes to debates and fun. Your very sensitive and I see your feelings get hurt easily. Even to the point of making threats to myself and our host.

Didnt realize you are so mad. If my sence of humor offended you, my sinsear apologies. Last thing I want you to do is go postal.

Will you accept my apology so we can be friends again.
I’m a bit frightened of you to be totally hounest.
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I’m a bit frightened of you. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCCGNEV5PWo

#50 Keith in Rio on 01.28.18 at 3:34 pm

The solution is simple.

Legalize prostitution.

And don’t hire women if you own a business.

#51 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 3:35 pm

Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. Plato

#52 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 3:39 pm

#50 Keith in Rio on 01.28.18 at 3:34 pm
The solution is simple.

And don’t hire women if you own a business.

=====================

There is a solution to that. They will introduce gender quotes, equal pay independent of the work done and if you do not comply/overweight to their policies, you will be black listed and taxed heavilty.

Whoever complies will get tax breaks. There is already
gender policies in the 2018 budget.

#53 T on 01.28.18 at 3:39 pm

#40 Graeme on 01.28.18 at 2:50 pm
Garth,

Speaking of ageism, rarely does a day or week go buy when you’re not (literally) sliming “moist millenials.” Not only is this a form of ageism, in my mind, it also borders on the obscene.

———————

I am a millenial, and I will tell you first hand Garth’s observations of our generation is correct. There are outliers, of course, but few and far in between.

Regarding the #metoo movement, it’s bordering on insanity. I couldn’t count how many times women have aggressively approached me in my life in many different circumstances; work places, bars, house parties. Fortunately for me that is a major turn-off and I have always pushed them away. I’m not saying there is no validity to the movement, but it definitely goes both ways and this has yet to be discussed.

Perhaps a male equivalent is needed. A list should be started of all the overly aggressive women we have all encountered in our lives. This would probably be labeled as slut shaming though.

Feminism has gone too far.

Bah – now I’m starting to sound like Smoking Man…. maybe he’s right after all. My God.

#54 paulo on 01.28.18 at 3:45 pm

Personally think that Patrick brown was burned by his own party . the story is pretty thin and when the day was said and done the girl said no and he respected that and drove her home. for the legal eagle types a law enforcement person put it into strait up terms: no complaint was filed with the local coppers in Barrie.
So this guys future is destroyed on the basis of vague allegations dating back more than a decade. this is bullshit and a abuse of social media, we need the judiciary to put into place laws and limits such as those that are present in the civil courts, limiting the time that a person can bring forward such allegations with out being able to be held liable before the courts.

#55 joblo on 01.28.18 at 3:56 pm

Stan Brooks…..

“According to Trudeau, we have entered a “new age of doing business.” No longer will managers be driven by profits and losses, but rather by a “values-based” approach to business.”

“We will always defend women,” Trudeau said. “As I said last week in Davos — #MeToo, Time’s Up, the Women’s March are not discreet campaigns for social change. It is a movement, and a movement whose time has come.”

So I wonder? Will The Lieberals stop doing arms deals and buying Saudi oil?

Will Energy east pipeline move forward?

Will botched trade deals with China & USA get done?

We with simple minds need to know.

#56 Canada is a feminist totalitarian state on 01.28.18 at 3:58 pm

Garth, women who are against the PC Agenda like Dr. Janice Fiamengo of the University of Ottawa is also not immune from false or vexatious allegations.

Currently, Dr. Janice Fiamengo is under a Gag order and incurring thousands of dollars to retain a lawyer, becauee a female student, a militant feminist, accused Dr. Janice Fiamengo of discrimination under the Human Rights Code of Ontario. This was a convenient and calcualted accusation that involved feminist organizations to use a ‘disabled’ feminist to place a large burden on Dr. Janice Fiamengo to change exam dates, but when Dr. Janice Fiamengo told the student that it needs approval from the Dean, BLAM! Human rights complaint!

This nuisance complaint went under meditation at the HRTO, and the feminist student insisted that Dr. Janice, and not the University of Ottawa should be held liable.

You’re not going to find this complaint in the Legal registers even if you paid Ryan Lewenza ONE TRILLION US DOLLARS, because this Kafka-esque trial is not supposed to be released to the public.

Dr. Janice Fiamengo is BARRED from identifying the complainant or reveal anything in the court case which could identify that student.

#57 Leopard Blue on 01.28.18 at 4:00 pm

The solution=MGTOW

#58 Lost...but not leased on 01.28.18 at 4:03 pm

#10 Slim…

May advise one be very careful of court historians…aka truth vs propaganda.

The props used in the liberation have been discredited as fakes. Many famous Hollywood directors(Wilder, Hitchcock) got their start staging various “newsreels”…..google Wilder caught on film staging a scene.

One has to question why some narratives are endlessly promoted…

#59 Stan Brooks on 01.28.18 at 4:04 pm

Liberal drama teacher’s understanding of law:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said “sexual harassment is a systemic problem” and “when women speak up, we have a responsibility to listen to them and to believe them,” in brief remarks on Sunday.

He is basically contradicting the chapter of rights and freedoms, the basic law equivalent to a constitution that this country has.

And he is PM of this place.

You know what will happen with an US president openly contradicting the US constitution?
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suitable reply:

Doug Dawson1 hour ago
“we have a responsibility to listen to them and to believe them,” No we do not. We have a responsibility to listen to them and investigate the accusation without bias to determine the validity of the complaint. We than have an obligation to pursue or close the investigation depending on the facts. We do not have any obligation nor should we even consider believing either the accuser or the accused. The investigation reveals the facts, we believe the facts, not the parties involved.

#60 New West on 01.28.18 at 4:04 pm

#24 Sideshow Rob

“It may look like a one way trend but I think it’s really a pendulum that could soon swing just as hard the other way. One day the wrong guy will get accused by the wrong woman and everything will change. Eventually the ultimate outcome could end up being that companies decide that hiring women is just too risky and so they won’t for a generation. Companies may decide, much like they did in the 60’s and 70’s, that women, no matter how skilled they are, just aren’t worth their emotional baggage in the work place.”

Substitute the word “companies” with “men” in your comment, and read it again. Maybe then you will understand a little better why the pendulum had to swing so far to get “companies’ ” attention.

#61 Andrew Woburn on 01.28.18 at 4:06 pm

As one raised by a strong mother, I can hardly believe the casual misogyny that is now being reported. While I believe the #metoo movement will be healthy on balance, I worry about the backlash that will result from relatively trivial score-settling accusations.

If I were the chairman of a public corporation faced with allegations against a senior officer, I would probably proceed as follows:

1. I would treat on line allegations as invalid and say so publicly. I would launch a private investigation while keeping the accused party in their job.

2. I would take the accusation seriously if the accuser were willing to make a deposition as to the facts under oath, thus making themselves liable for perjury.
If the facts deposed to were credible, I would suspend the officer and investigate. Otherwise I would investigate before acting.

3. I would look for a third party professional firm to interview the accuser and alleged perpetrator and ask for recommendations.

To me the strength of the case against Roy Moore was that many of the women were ready to testify in court.

One of the interesting results of the #metoo movement will be the opening up of more senior positions to women. The secondary effect might be to open up more senior jobs to men who aren’t predatory. I suspect that jock culture can be toxic in many senior managements so that the jocks cover for each other while driving out or holding down men who do not think like them.

#62 Bob on 01.28.18 at 4:06 pm

Brown/Bliss are done. They will never work again, at least not in the spotlight.

Sign of the times.

#63 TurnerNation on 01.28.18 at 4:07 pm

“Breaking…” leading pathetic financial blogger steps down from post; dozens of dogs claim he shortchanged them on walks and treats – dating back to the 00’s.
“A pattern of deception”.

(No this is not metaphoric :) ).


I remember good old Authur Vale as a babe in lap – the whiteshoe banker lookalike. Authoritative to a T

#64 Binder Dundat on 01.28.18 at 4:08 pm

@ Keith in Rio:,
“The solution is simple.

Legalize prostitution.

And don’t hire women if you own a business”

The same ends could be accomplished by not hiring men if you own a business, no? Please dial down the drama.

Men and women, the vast majority of whom are reasonable and realize where the line between sloppy flirting and sexual assault lies, will continue to work together well. The grabby boors will have to adjust and modify their behaviour. All is not lost.

Peace

#65 LivinLarge on 01.28.18 at 4:16 pm

“The solution is simple.

Legalize prostitution.”… well Keith, prostitution itself has never actually been illegal in Canada. Soliciting has been a crime, running a brothel has been a crime but simply accepting cash for sex has never actually been at least a criminal code infraction. Just like not paying your taxes in Canada is not actually a crime like it is in the US. Not filing a return when you owe taxes, now that’s a crime here. Sure, the CRA can and will grab anything you own to satisfy the tax liability but being too poor to pay taxes in Canada isn’t actually criminal here.

#66 #6 and #45 on 01.28.18 at 4:21 pm

I think #6 is a real estate pumper. Your numbers seem a bit far fetched unless you are with a “private lender” type. I too like #45 went to an actual bank, make over 150, have excellent credit and was only approved for 800,000. Last year it was 1 million. Of course both numbers are ridiculous and I would never borrow that, but me thinks #6 is full of it. b20 is real.

#67 Mayor of Milton on 01.28.18 at 4:34 pm

Hello Friends,

I had been so busy hiring police to man the new Mattamy Release of beige townhomes this week, where speculators, I mean first time homebuyers, were gobbling up all of our newly realeased beige townhomes situated near the lovely Halton Municipal Dumpsite, to vote on SCM. Even though that gender-fluid youngster, 2 spirited, gluten intolerant spivak bought one of our lovely beige townhomes (since the gender neutral’s wage was increased to $14 an hour at Timmies. . .) I vote BAN the little bugger!

And just for the record, in my years of office I have never touched anyone inappropriately, except for myself (which I’m pretty sure doesn’t count).

#68 Entrepreneur on 01.28.18 at 4:40 pm

Listened to the one of the victims of PB: She was at a pub drinking and underage. Question mark there. When at a pub a customer would assume that others are legal age. And she drank more on her own free will. Another question mark? Then, she applied for a job with PB. Another question mark? Too much haste to rid of PB.

Off topic: Google Dr. Sircus, Ac., OMD on Transdermal Magnesium Rub, using the skin to ease pain (arthritic pain too) but use according to age. Can use Epsom Salts but the rub is direct but again use according to age. Also, google Dr. Carolyn Dean, MD, ND on magnesium and arthritis. Look into naturopath doctors in Sooke/Victoria to guide that little boy.

Another thing to think of is the PH levels of acidic and alkaline foods. Go organic, eliminate the five most common allergy food: wheat, dairy, soy, corn, nuts (or seafood?). Avoid additives, preservatives packages/cans. My thoughts, and hope for the best.

Our food has changed and time to watch what we use in our eating habits.

#69 simon edwards on 01.28.18 at 4:41 pm

#1 Party on Garth on 01.28.18 at 11:56 am
Household credit numbers for Canada (to the end of December, 2017) from the Bank of Canada:

https://credit.bankofcanada.ca/householdcredit

Business credit numbers for Canada (to the end of December, 2017) from the Bank of Canada:

https://credit.bankofcanada.ca/businesscredit

..

No worries.

Between credit increases and budget deficits just over 300 billions yearly in money spent that we don’t have.

10 k per person per year.

Everything is rosy and the budget/credit will balance itself.

#70 ImGonnaBeSick on 01.28.18 at 4:46 pm

Equal and opposite reactions. So what will be the reaction to the #metoo movement when anonymous accusations results in career and financial destruction like what just happened to Pat Brown? Will men in power just stop hiring women due to the possibility of an accusation coming down the road? Will we have gender segregation? Will it end up in a crying wolf society, where we become desensitized to sexual assualt accusations?

It’s all very dangerous.. to both sexes… Sexual assualt should be reported to the police, not the social media.

#71 Juve101 on 01.28.18 at 4:47 pm

Re Moisters, I just remembered we had the exact same nickname in the Israeli army for new recruits –
ZAFLAD – an acronym which translates to “Disrespectful moist and sticky youngster” :)

#72 A Milton Love Poem on 01.28.18 at 4:49 pm

The Milton Investor Asked:

Mirror, Mirror on the wall
Who’s the fairest of them all?

And she replied:

Beige and flimsy packed in rows
Overlooking the dump, is all I know!

Quickly buy,
quickly invest!

When the market goes down
Watching your equity evaporate. . .Sure was the best!

#73 Bezengy on 01.28.18 at 4:51 pm

This harassment thing needs to be addressed. Women who bat their eyes at co-workers, wear excessive perfume, low cut tops, tight fitting lulu’s, and constantly play to a man’s ego need to be reported to the HR dept. And women yelling at their employees, leaders like “Elizabeth”, need to be escorted off the property. Very uncomfortable indeed for a lot of men in the work place these days. I’m not saying a lot of men don’t have some major issues, but let’s not forget this is everyone’s problem.

#74 Lu on 01.28.18 at 4:58 pm

love this blog

#75 NoName on 01.28.18 at 5:02 pm

keep them phones out of your kids hands, even if it requires braking fingers.

“What happened so that so many more teens, in such a short period of time, would feel depressed, attempt suicide and commit suicide? After scouring several large surveys of teens for clues, I found that all of the possibilities traced back to a major change in teens’ lives: the sudden ascendance of the smartphone.”

https://theconversation.com/with-teen-mental-health-deteriorating-over-five-years-theres-a-likely-culprit-86996

#76 paracho on 01.28.18 at 5:02 pm

These incidents are coming out all of a sudden . There is trend and I think some are justified and some are just exaggerations .
I have seen in in one place where I worked… an older women in a senior position having her way with younger guys . Can she flip this around in the future ? Act like the victim whete in reality she was the instigator and active participant ?
I also know of another situation from another job . A guy I worried with was happy to be a cuckold . He enjoyed it discreetly . Many of his coworkers and supervisors were having documented sex with his wife . These recordings would eventually be viewed in the workplace .
It seems to be there … but not always as it seems .

#77 Capt. Serious on 01.28.18 at 5:03 pm

Men (and women) should follow these rules going forward (too late to change the past):
1. Never be alone with another co-worker, male or female.
2. Never be at all under the influence around co-workers. One drink max. Or better, none.
3. If one wants to initiate a relationship with a co-worker, you should leave the organization first. And that person should never work in your organization.
4. Might be a good idea to get written consent if you’re having casual sex with someone.
5. Discussion should always be about work matters. Possibly also the weather.

There is just too much to lose, and the risks are now tilted such that you might think what you’re doing is ok, but he/she might not. Err on the side of no contact. Obviously some people in the news have been way over the line and sound like they behaved like a-holes, but when you think about your own career and life, you’d better have a wide margin to that line.

#78 Paul on 01.28.18 at 5:10 pm

A client of mine that runs a successful business does not have any company get together’s at his residence now.
Plus he never goes to business lunches with women that work for him. Straight shooter will not in subject to any gossip or accusations. I believe it’s their loss.

#79 conan on 01.28.18 at 5:12 pm

#57 Leopard Blue on 01.28.18 at 4:00 pm

“The solution=MGTOW”

Mother nature is already working on the back up plan. Somebody pissed her off…….cough oil companies cough.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/spermageddon-human-race-could-infertile-50-years/

#80 ImGonnaBeSick on 01.28.18 at 5:13 pm

As far as Pat Brown being an inside job or a liberal smear, we do not and will not know this to be true. What we do know is that he was politically assassinated by a news reporter thirsty for a story that screamed to the zeitgeist.

We destroyed Pat Brown’s career with our preverse disregard for human beings and our thirst for something to read on the Facebook and Twitter.

We read headlines, not articles. We regard opinion pieces as news. As far as inknow, there’s no law against offending someone. In fact free speech has pretty much guaranteed it. But the social media generation driving this believes that if someone disagrees with them than that person is an enemy and must be destroyed socially. If financial destruction is a fallout from this, even better. Get over yourselves you twits. Society is not your mother, we don’t care that your feelings were hurt.

#81 Captain Duff on 01.28.18 at 5:15 pm

Like the original witch hunts, #metoo will burn itself out. Not before it has claimed many victims many of whom are innocent or at least not horribly guilty.

However, the effect of #metoois to alert men to the fact that women, especially young women, are potentially dangerous to business and career. That alert’s effects will be insidious and quite covert. Female candidates for jobs, will, at the margins be rejected in favour of less “problematic” males. The idea of “mentoring” a young female will drop off the desk of any senior male who is looking for a quiet life.

Perhaps this is all for the best and the Mike Pence rule of never being alone with a woman who is not your wife will become the gold standard of business and professional conduct. But that will quietly but effectively leave women out of the conversations, informal chats, bull sessions, drinks after work, where actual decisions are made.

#82 earlybird on 01.28.18 at 5:16 pm

#67
lol…hilarious
And just for the record, in my years of office I have never touched anyone inappropriately, except for myself (which I’m pretty sure doesn’t count).

What ever happen to a fun filled flirty day at work…Im old…

#83 Lost...but not leased on 01.28.18 at 5:18 pm

More on” manshaming”.

Intriguing how Corey Feldman had lobbied for years re the pedophile culture in Hollywood…and yet the lid was kept on it.

Then..a few obscure actresses came out of the woodwork and we were inundated with HarveyGate.

Now it seems to be open season on any alleged Male oppressor to female victim.

I highly doubt Feldman is making this up, in fact there is mounting evidence that pedophilia may be more rampant than other allegations,(ie GOOGLE Franklin Cover-Up).

Question: are the public at large being submitted to “Red Herring”tactics , which ultimately fail everyone???

#84 Post on 01.28.18 at 5:34 pm

I’m so much happier reading this blog now that I’ve stopped reading the comments section. I have no idea who SCM is nor do I care.

Ironic that I’m posting this in the comments section…

#85 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 5:38 pm

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#86 cecilhenry on 01.28.18 at 5:39 pm

As you keep weeding comments, you do by definition, and in reality, censor the most important issues.

Echo chambers never seem like echo chambers to those who have decided what they want to hear. OR can tolerate.

Be honest: ‘Diversity™’ makes free speech impossible.

Diversity™ means everyone MUST think alike about the agenda of ‘diversity™’

Every authoritarian mindset always begins by silencing all criticism of its doctrine but it’s never just to be mean.
It ALWAYS gives a ‘Reason’.

The comments section anywhere on the internet is where the important truths are. That’s why so many want them banned.

But when the comments go, so does the credibility.

The treasure is always where you least want to look.

#87 Ray on 01.28.18 at 5:47 pm

Listening to our PM and Trump at Davos, I am much more comfortable with my overweight positions in $USD based equities.

#88 MF on 01.28.18 at 5:48 pm

What we now have is Sexual McCarthyism.

Where all you have to do is “accuse” someone of a sexual advance in 1995 and their character, legacy, reputation, and life is all but ruined.

The accusers, who for some reason get to remain anonymous, know the legal process could take years to sort out, but by then the damage is done already and nobody cares.

It’s weaponized now. Expect a massive blowback at some point, as more and more wolves are cried.

Another group that will be greatly harmed by all this will be women (or men) who have been actually raped and are in need help desperately. Lost will be their voice among all the noise.

MF

#89 Sigh on 01.28.18 at 5:51 pm

I’m an old lady. Yes, I’ve had my share of unwanted sexual attention back in the dark ages. However, I too, am bothered by historical accusations being grounds enough for instant dismissal today.

Bill Cosby’s counsel must be ruling the day when they delayed his retrial.

Most disturbingly, it makes Mike Pence’s refusal to meet with women alone look positively rational.

#90 MF on 01.28.18 at 5:53 pm

#81 Captain Duff on 01.28.18 at 5:15 pm

“Perhaps this is all for the best and the Mike Pence rule of never being alone with a woman who is not your wife will become the gold standard of business and professional conduct. But that will quietly but effectively leave women out of the conversations, informal chats, bull sessions, drinks after work, where actual decisions are made.”

-Pence was unfairly ridiculed like crazy for those comments. I happened to see a segment on “The View” where they were taunting him. Disgusting.

As for SCM, I expect another ban as he/she goes over 2 posts in no time. He/She cannot help it.

MF

#91 T on 01.28.18 at 5:53 pm

You know, it takes a good dog to really make you appreciate the small things in life sometimes.

One of our family’s airdales is very sick and going in for his final vet visit tomorrow.

I’m going to miss him. Great dog, great personality. The kind of dog that waits at the front door at night until everyone is home. Always greets you with a wagging tail, even when he’s too sick to stand.

They just don’t live long enough.

Makes me think I should be more like him. Be happy, be grateful, enjoy every minute. Don’t get wrapped up in the drama of the day.

#92 not my usual name on 01.28.18 at 6:12 pm

there is a narrative here… similar to the minimum wage hike.
that people are being kept down by the patriarchal system.

business owners make too much!
goofy men who ask women out are predators!

everyone needs to be the same. equality at all costs!

no winners or losers, only participants.

sad.

#93 Deplorable Dude on 01.28.18 at 6:15 pm

#metoo = guilty until proven innocent.

Impossible to defend accusation of events decades ago….

What happened to a good slap in the face women?

Work place environments fast turning toxic. Employers scared of hiring women….men afraid to be alone in a room with their female workmates….

Feminism is imploding…

#94 For those about to flop... on 01.28.18 at 6:20 pm

What about this.

You get a DELETED ,you’ve got a choice to make.

You can apologize and suggest you didn’t know that it wasn’t suitable for the blog.

You can do another post ,moving on to a different subject knowing that the guy that keeps the lights on didn’t appreciate your previous effort.

You can take a self imposed break from the blog and try again the next day.

You submit the same sort of post and get DELETED again,after which the boss of this blog says see you tomorrow.

Everyone has there own opinion on censorship and such ,but instead of having referendums on people getting banned and losing a day of discussion I would just prefer people to be given a second chance to post again and if they re-offend,given a time-out in the sin-bin until the next posting.

If the person refuses to let it go and is DELETED 10 times in a week then no voting just ban the person and keep the blog going for everyone’s enjoyment.

Only two people will know what the post was about,no need to be embarrassed.

I’ve had my fair share of DELETED posts ,not recently,but the bulk of these were jokes about Stephen Harper and Justin Trudeau,which Garth didn’t want on his blog.
I have absolutely no problem with this,I thought they were funny,the boss thought that they weren’t appropriate,I just move on respecting his wishes.

I’m probably not the right person to speak for all of us regulars,but who is?

In the past I have tried to bring in things like Boom Days and GAP codes, where we try to have a bit of a reset and an understanding and respect of each other without the threat of a shutdown and I hope we can come to some sort of consensus so this blog continues a healthy existence as long as possible.

Blog lives matter…

M43BC

#95 LP on 01.28.18 at 6:27 pm

#24 Sideshow Rob on 01.28.18 at 1:28 pm

Now that’s just funny!

Many years ago in Israel, during a time when many young women were being assaulted on the streets after dark, the Knesset proposed a curfew for all women. Prime Minister Meir pointed out that it wasn’t the women who were the problem and she suggested that only men would have to abide by a curfew. Of course the proposed curfew died on the order table.

Better we hire more women and fewer men since it seems for the most part to be some men who are the problem.

#96 TurnerNation on 01.28.18 at 6:28 pm

Which slow down? Mattamy_Swooner.

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/7tkds7/people_line_up_at_milton_mattamy_sale_centre/

Prices here about 900k:
http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/property/4661431.aspx###

#97 Sam the Sham on 01.28.18 at 6:28 pm

“The accused are sometimes left fighting shadows. A legal defence essentially impossible. Meanwhile, no job, no income, no career.”

Yep, pretty soon the only place you’ll be able to find a white, Christian, heterosexual male is in a homeless shelter. The feminazi attack is pitiless, relentless and brutal!!

#98 Fuzzy Camel on 01.28.18 at 6:28 pm

We’re basically moving into a feminist totalitarian socialist regime where men are assumed guilty unless proven innocent.

There’s a lot of jerks out there, but anonymous accusations without due process a man loses his job/career? WTF?

What’s coming next? OPP secretaries are now taking the OPP to the Human Rights Tribunal Kangaroo court because they feel they should make them same as uniformed officers who risk their lives. The fact this was even heard is insane. So, paper pushing donut munchers will now make the same pay as the gun carrying life riskers, because thanks to PM Trudeau women will get EVERYTHING they want if they claim victim status.

Expect society to become a race to who can become the biggest victim. Everyone will be crying racism, oppression, unfair pay, the victim feminist mantra. Who gets screwed in this? Basically the working class will be taxed to death and that money given away to the cry-bullies.

Expect more, the insanity has just begun. The witch hunt is on for men. Expect male-female relations to turn very sour. Expect more gender based taxation and other insane discriminatory policies to be put in place to punish working men.

I’m considering getting US citizenship, because I suspect the feminists will outright declare a 100% income tax and total wealth redistribution at some point. That’s the only way to have equal pay.

#99 Terry. on 01.28.18 at 6:30 pm

“This happened a day after Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown was accused of inappropriate sexual behavior a decade earlier.”

I must say I was disappointed that Patrick Brown stepped down when considering that no criminal charges have been filed with the police from those making the accusations? However, whats done is done.

I do look forward to seeing Caroline Mulroney get voted in as the new Conservative party leader. I see Caroline as a perfect fit to defeating the Ontario Liberals this June since she brings star power, is charismatic, is well educated, is a business woman, is fiscally responsible, speaks well and has a genuine smile to greet people with. Good Luck to Caroline Mulroney our next Ontario Premier!

#100 isuckless on 01.28.18 at 6:35 pm

#70 ImGonnaBeSick: solution is Islam

#101 YVRMC on 01.28.18 at 6:39 pm

I’m with Paul , James stop being a whining wanker ….

#102 Fuzzy Camel on 01.28.18 at 6:44 pm

I have to comment twice. The feminists, they will crush Canada’s economy. They are greedy, power hungry communists who HATE men and HATE private businesses.

The feminists will cheer as they chase all the businesses out of Canada, right into Trumps loving arms. I wouldn’t buy a house or lay too many roots at the moment. Feminists will tax the heck out of you as the economy collapses.

I’m in awe at the attitude in Canada right now. A business or factory leaves and no one cares. People laugh, who cares we don’t need them. This is a terrible attitude and our day of reckoning is coming. As interest rates rise, we will rely heavily on our productive economy to keep things going. Well the feminist government basically killed the product portion.

So as rates rise, housing bubble pops, we are stuck with a big sister government that has expensive taste.

#103 bigtowne on 01.28.18 at 6:45 pm

What goes around comes around……

Karma exists. Any human imagining that she or he will be unscathed after using a #metoo on others will experience the same “unregulated open season”.

Jesus said: She who is without sin cast the first stone.

#104 TurnerNation on 01.28.18 at 6:47 pm

It’s nice that every case is solved online now, and within 24hrs (just like on teevee).

Even less work for police (their salaries and bens are largest line item of T.O. prop taxes).

However, feel free to report such incidents to Detective Lieutenant Koppafeal or Sergeant Grabbabutski. I’m sure they’ll get right on it. After break.

#105 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 01.28.18 at 6:48 pm

Bliss was accused by a former CTV staffer of an unwanted sexual advance after he stopped working with me. She wrote a blog 12 years following the event and, within hours, Bliss was suspended as a big shot reporter/bureau chief at the network, which is now owned by Bell Media.
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I’m confused. What exactly is an unwanted sexual advance ?
Is it asking someone for a date more than once? Is it touching someone on the hand ? Is it telling someone they look really great today ? Where does one draw the line ? The accusation seems kind of vague…………

#106 Savers on 01.28.18 at 6:49 pm

I did not see SCM post tonight. Does this mean he can post four times tomorrow, after all this blog promotes saving

#107 Mark on 01.28.18 at 6:52 pm

Lots of these cases, especially in government, are buried by the bureaucracy. Someone is transferred away. Contracts of good faith accusers simply aren’t renewed. Seen it a few times myself, especially in organizations where the abusers are often in control.

The crux of the problem in the contemporary workplace is that unemployment is horrifically high in Canada, and that people don’t have a lot of options to simply walk away from an abusive situation. Most victims of abuse would much rather do that, than to subject themselves to the trauma of having to go through a formal process for which the outcome is uncertain.

The travesty here is that we have extremely high rates of unemployment, so a lot of these workplace quality issues inevitably bubble to the surface as people feel there’s no way out. Employers, due to such high unemployment rates, don’t feel the need to fix such issues either, as a reputation for being an abusive workplace doesn’t really come back to bite them in terms of being able to recruit.

#108 BC_Doc on 01.28.18 at 6:55 pm

There are a lot of creeps out there who’ve behaved very badly. Payment for past sins has now come due.

Behave like a gentleman and you have nothing to worry about.

Misogyny is live and well. The glass ceiling is still intact.

Ashley Judd is my hero.

M51BC happily married for 25 years and the parent of two daughters.

#109 Ex-Cowtown on 01.28.18 at 7:10 pm

At some point in time the hyper-victim movement which demands reparations for all slights, real or imagined going back decades or even centuries will shake hands and find common cause with ISIS et al.

They aren’t that different really; intolerant of others who don’t share their views, willing to victimize and bully others into submission and demanding a complete separation of men and women everywhere.

You’re already seeing it in the ancient media; reporters and commenters defending terrorists and attacking the President. The world is indeed nuts.

#110 TurnerNation on 01.28.18 at 7:12 pm

Oooh a link to Milton prices last year appears much cheaper this year? From 1.2 down to 900

http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/property/4473555.aspx

#111 Chico on 01.28.18 at 7:12 pm

#81 Captain Duff on 01.28.18 at 5:15 pm

Like the original witch hunts, #metoo will burn itself out. Not before it has claimed many victims many of whom are innocent or at least not horribly guilty.

However, the effect of #metoois to alert men to the fact that women, especially young women, are potentially dangerous to business and career. That alert’s effects will be insidious and quite covert. Female candidates for jobs, will, at the margins be rejected in favour of less “problematic” males. The idea of “mentoring” a young female will drop off the desk of any senior male who is looking for a quiet life.

Perhaps this is all for the best and the Mike Pence rule of never being alone with a woman who is not your wife will become the gold standard of business and professional conduct. But that will quietly but effectively leave women out of the conversations, informal chats, bull sessions, drinks after work, where actual decisions are made.

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Very interesting points. The “never be alone with a woman who’s not your wife” was likely something that used to be more common than it has been since the 60’s. I don’t know for sure but I think it’s a safe bet.

Chrissy Hyde was roasted for taking responsibility for hanging out with a group of bikers when she was young and being abused by them. (no precise details were given about the abuse) She stated that she shouldn’t have put herself in that position, not that what they did was OK.

Mike Pence and Chrissy Hyde are stating the obvious about men/women/opposite sex…handle with extreme care!

Unfortunately, too much of the message around women’s liberation has been twisted. Instead of striving to “be anything they want, professionally, etc., too many have believed that they can “do anything they want.” People treating each other badly, abusively, should not be tolerated, but if I as a male continue to date and marry unstable/abusive women, I’m the fool not them. The same goes for women. Do what you can to limit the predatory males from taking advantage of you!

#112 TRON on 01.28.18 at 7:17 pm

Firstly, all people in the workplace or not should be treated with dignity and respect. They should not have to feel uncomfortable by unwanted advances. We all have sisters, cousins, friends who we would not want to have to be in a position of vulnerability, especially at work.

However, the feminist movement began by a minority of woman who had an agenda to change the social fabric of the society. It was done inside a bubble and was represented by a very small group. It was one sided with no input by the other side (men) who would be impacted in the changes being demanded. Basically men have been told to shut up and listen. ‘Happy wife=happy life’ is no different than ‘Men, nobody cares what you think’.

The #meetoo movement is easy like a march. Put on your running shoes and you’re in the movement. Yet the lives that are being destroyed far outweigh, in many cases, the assaults being committed.

I think the companies who are firing the accused need to be held accountable for the severe action they are taking. We may see some legal battles that will get the #metoo movement to back off.

#113 For those about to flop... on 01.28.18 at 7:20 pm

Yeah,yeah , i know it’s a Brit tabloid but some history buffs might wanna check out this article.

I looked at the calendar and it’s not April 1st.

Yet…

M43BC

WAR PLAN RED: Terrifying secret US plan to destroy British Empire right up until WW2.

“AMERICA had an ultra secret multi-million dollar war plan in place to destroy the British Empire with an invasion of Canada up until WW2.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/677440/War-Plan-Red-US-military-British-Empire-World-War-Two

#114 Damifino on 01.28.18 at 7:22 pm

#73 Bezengy

Women who bat their eyes at co-workers, wear excessive perfume, low cut tops, tight fitting lulu’s, and constantly play to a man’s ego need to be reported to the HR dept.
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No they don’t. That will only exacerbate the situation. Such women need to be ignored. In due time, they’ll discover it’s not a recipe for advancement and hopefully learn to focus instead on competence and productivity.

#115 Paddler on 01.28.18 at 7:25 pm

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#116 Goldie on 01.28.18 at 7:26 pm

It looks like your progressive mind bumped up against reality for a while today. I am pleased.

I wonder if anyone has you in their target sights Garth, you wealthy white male. At least you don’t have to worry about being fired. Be careful not to accidentally touch any women!

Oh, how I pity today’s young man; being taught that you can lose everything if you try to hit on a woman and she is not receptive. It’s not like they are under enough pressure already when approaching the opposite sex.

What about the future for western families? Men who are afraid to approach women for fear of losing everything, houses which almost nobody can buy, cost of living skyrocketing, shifting careers… Good luck my brothers.

#117 KLNR on 01.28.18 at 7:38 pm

@#108 BC_Doc on 01.28.18 at 6:55 pm
There are a lot of creeps out there who’ve behaved very badly. Payment for past sins has now come due.
Behave like a gentleman and you have nothing to worry about.
Misogyny is live and well. The glass ceiling is still intact.
Ashley Judd is my hero.
M51BC happily married for 25 years and the parent of two daughters.
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sadly some commenters on here are still trying to blame the victim. lowlifes.

#118 AB Boxster on 01.28.18 at 7:43 pm

Justin’s dad Pierre was almost 30 years older than Margaret Sinclair.
She was only 18.

Jeez what a pervert.
Justin should immediately appologize to all Canadian’s for having a father who was quite obviously a sexual deviant and unfit to hold public office.

All references of T1 should immediatly be stricken from the record,and place names should remove references as well.

And Justin should apologize to Canadians by immediately removing himself as PM in order to make things right.

It’s only fair to women after all.

#119 Nonplused on 01.28.18 at 7:44 pm

The part I don’t see working is that it’s hard to actually ban someone from a comments section that does not require registration. All you need is a new email and a new handle and vola! You are back! Until discovered of course but that might take some time.

#120 toronto1 on 01.28.18 at 7:45 pm

its ironic looking at the two different countries US/Canada and there #metoo scandals:

in the US- Hollywood, actual rape, abuse and horrible acts allegedly took place

In Canada, the most recent examples, no sex took place, just possible inappropriate behavior, i say possible as we have only heard one side of the story- three versions to every story, her side, his side and the truth.

Yes i agree its gone way over the deep end-

without due process there is no legit judicial system, in law it is what differentiates us from dictatorships and banana republics.

i agree with the posters here, this will change the hiring decision of directors and owners of companies and if it continues to, will change the very way the men and women communicate and engage in each other at all levels not just personal.

#121 Lost...but not leased on 01.28.18 at 7:50 pm

A lot of misogynists out there….seem to originate mostly in Ontario.

Wonder why..your Premier is really a good role model and the epitome of the modern career women.

#122 Danny on 01.28.18 at 7:50 pm

Men in power (money and politics) have for too long used power as a cheap and easy way to take advantage of women for sexual favor.

In feudal times this stuff went on publicly.

Just because today it is behind closed doors or made silent by hush money by people like Trump who pays for erasing the past by money under the table..does not erase the truth.

This is Garth’s blog given to us freely…..let’s not abuse it…and let it be a vehicle to support Canadian values of inclusiveness…and not historical prejudice and bigotry.

This blog helps to make advances in making this country more just and disclose unfair practices and false information that the real estate market uses to make themselves rich …..no matter how they hurt people’s future economically by taking advantage of ordinary people’s ignorance about….. the “real estate market” who have power through a lot of money to make more “fools because of the general public’s ignorance in the financial world.

Fools who at any cost have made the market unsustainable and made especially in the last few years…… too many Toronto residents slaves to money lenders and their front line salespeople….the real estate agent.

Hopefully in 2018 by June….we will

1. come back to earth about the more realistic value of bricks and mortar.

2. Have more respect between men and women by bringing an end to feudal ideals in our modern world.

3. Have an American leader who has not lived a life of demeaning women values.

#123 KLNR on 01.28.18 at 7:50 pm

@#73 Bezengy on 01.28.18 at 4:51 pm
This harassment thing needs to be addressed. Women who bat their eyes at co-workers, wear excessive perfume, low cut tops, tight fitting lulu’s, and constantly play to a man’s ego need to be reported to the HR dept. And women yelling at their employees, leaders like “Elizabeth”, need to be escorted off the property. Very uncomfortable indeed for a lot of men in the work place these days. I’m not saying a lot of men don’t have some major issues, but let’s not forget this is everyone’s problem.
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lol, you’d fit in well with the taliban.

#124 meslippery on 01.28.18 at 8:02 pm

Two comments per day for SCM

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That’s cool… Never worked Union but Unions helped keep my wage higher than it might otherwise been.
SCM, well a lot of people are really making less now
adjusted for inflation than I did 40 years ago.
We know if wages went up like GTA real estate well
party on Garth.

#125 Matriarchy on 01.28.18 at 8:10 pm

I am a gay male and understand it all…I realize that women dominate the sidewalks were I live and I always step off and I never say anything when the mobile skooter women almost runs me from behind without a warning. Being a passive male is what this system wants. Adversarialism is with women!

#126 Prairieboy43 on 01.28.18 at 8:15 pm

Hired two Canadian gay women hockey players. They were both sharp, strong aggressive women. Both women were excellent at their job. Handled most of the Oilfield men with ease (Spoke the same language). No complaints ever about “Rugged” men. Are now married to each other. Happy Endings…..

#127 Lulu on 01.28.18 at 8:17 pm

Those schoolgirl days of telling tales and biting nails are gone
But in my mind I know they will still live on and on
But how do you thank someone who has taken you from crayons to perfume?
It isn’t easy, but I’ll try

#128 Lost...but not leased on 01.28.18 at 8:28 pm

#118 AB Boxster

Oh..it is MUCH worse…only scraped the surface…

Google Cathy O’Brien, Henry Makow…Trudeau (Pierre and Justin)

#129 Paddler on 01.28.18 at 8:33 pm

#115 paddler

Garth, This was a newspaper link I posted from the Saturday Vancouver
Sun. Why was it deleted? It appears to me if a posted article does not agree with your view on this subject it gets deleted.

That columnist will not be linked here. – Garth

#130 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.28.18 at 8:37 pm

@#117 KLeenexNotRequired
“sadly some commenters on here are still trying to blame the victim. lowlifes.”
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While I agreed that victim blaming is a pathetic arguement.
Lets not get off track.
Unproven, unsubstantiated, unverified, decades old allegations have RUINED careers and lives.
Is THAT fair?
Or will, as some have suggested.
There be a massive backlash of lawsuits and Human Resources reversals.
Anyone living in Vancouver over the past 20 years may remember this charming story……..
I seem to recall about 15 years ago a female university student accused a Swimming coach of sexually abusing her …..
He was suspended, then fired.
No police, no Courts, no defense. Fired.
The media got ahold of it and lo and behold, after interviewing other female students on the swim team …..it was the STUDENT that was agressively pursuing the happily married coach……uh oh….
His lawyers had a field day.
Huge cash settlement, reinstated, letter of apology.
The student?
Got her degree and walked.
No charges for false allegations, nothing.
Get out of University Free go directly to job
These accusations, resignations and firings are the tip of the litigation iceberg and if people really believe that this wont affect hiring practices going forward?
Think again.

#131 Ugh on 01.28.18 at 8:38 pm

I’ve been back to reading the comments lately until tonight. So many misogynists.

A few EXCELLENT responses from the other side at least. Thank you.

#metoo

#132 Two-thirds on 01.28.18 at 8:38 pm

Free speech in society is to be defended, unquestionably. Free speech is a necessary, but not sufficient element of just, liberal, democratic societies.

Accountability for one’s actions – and words – goes hand in hand with the freedom to say and do things, especially in the pubic eye.

But anonymous free speech – is this to be defended?

All of us in this comments section get a say, some with civility and self-restraint. Many, unburdened by these quaint notions. Regardless, we pay no price and risk no harm for the words we write and the statements we make.

Yet our host, like many accomplished men, are publicly known, their names, professions (and sometimes even locations) available to those who, from their bunker of anonymity can fire at them freely; wounding, maiming, annihilating.

Liberal, democratic societies, where the accused and accuser have unequal rights, where swiftness trumps fairness and old deeds are weighed on new scales are neither progressive, nor just, and debase justice.

Yes, let us defend the right of others to say things we dislike, and yes, those who have been wronged deserve justice, so let us do so face to face, with evidence in hand and ready to accept responsibility for our words and actions.

Agree with Garth, men are still useful. Hope wives, sisters, and daughters will speak for their own, freely and truly.

#133 Hugh Janus on 01.28.18 at 8:40 pm

It will all come back to bite the bullshitters in the ass. Our rights and freedoms in this country do still include due process. This will be what bites some of them in the ass. Of course it will be too late for those that are falsely accused of something they didnt do. For those that did screw up, good riddance. Take whats coming.

As for gender equality, lets not lets not put the shoes on the other foot and then realise we cant walk that way either.

#134 akashic record on 01.28.18 at 8:47 pm

However the haste with which organizations are dumping people accused, but not proven, of wrongful behaviour is breathtaking. Allegations can come in a Tweet, a blog or a media tip and the consequences are immediate. The accused are sometimes left fighting shadows. A legal defence essentially impossible. Meanwhile, no job, no income, no career.

#metoo is nothing compared to other accusations where you don’t even need a person to be a victim, just the violation of some idea or ideology, where “unproving” the accusation is impossible.

After WW2 in several countries Communist parties gained dictatorial power by the same script. At that time all non-Communist actors of the political theater were accused of being fascists or sympathizers, they were “shamed out” of the politics, without trial.

Part of this strategy was the censorship of certain topics, that led to censorship of any defense from the accusations.

It is very similar now, all this is a tool for fighting political power, where a party can not win on traditional, real political platform.

Caving to censorship of any topic, where some political party declares monopoly on authority is not simply becoming the echo-chamber of conformity, but fatal danger to democracy itself.

#135 Dolce Vita on 01.28.18 at 8:57 pm

Life was so much simpler as a Redneck back in the early 1980s.

#136 Russ on 01.28.18 at 8:57 pm

Penny Henny on 01.28.18 at 12:21 pm

Without a doubt a lot of the manshaming currently going on is justified. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, even in lust and love.
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Yes things sure are getting crazy out there.
Just the other day I was at an exotic dancing establishment and one of the dancers remarked to me “Hey my eyes are up here buddy”.
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That is so funny.

At the Yacht Club, the old guys are so snoopy, they want to see what you have in the dock cart. Items that are being brought to (or from) the boat.

I have to say to them, “Hey Buddy. My tits are up here.”

Always good for a laugh among guys.

#137 crowdedelevatorfartz on 01.28.18 at 9:00 pm

@#131 Ugh

False accusations ruin careers

Perhaps you could comment on this article from The Tyee?

https://www.google.ca/url?url=https://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2007/04/05/RMarsden/&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi7xO6ehvzYAhUE82MKHRm8CPcQFghGMAw&usg=AOvVaw07crmRWhMIuZHPWtueRnqn

#138 New West on 01.28.18 at 9:02 pm

#77 Capt. Serious
Men (and women) should follow these rules going forward (too late to change the past):

1. Never be alone with another co-worker, male or female.
2. Never be at all under the influence around co-workers. One drink max. Or better, none.
3. If one wants to initiate a relationship with a co-worker, you should leave the organization first. And that person should never work in your organization.
4. Discussion should always be about work matters. Possibly also the weather.
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I’ve been in the workforce for over 40 years, and in general I’ve always stuck by these rules at work. My mum, who worked outside the home most of her life, taught them to me. Saved her and I a lot of grief over the years. (I’ve left out your number 5, as it does not apply.)

Why would adopting them be a problem, exactly? I mean, you are at work to work, right?

#139 William B Davis on 01.28.18 at 9:03 pm

With all the dominos falling right now, imagen being a male manager in a huge corp, a spot opens for a promotion, two female candidats available. Alpha type ladies. Knowing the one he doesn’t hire will charge down to HR and make-up stories.

This #MeToo movement is going to be very disruptive to business landscape, watch even more large corporation pack up and leave Canada, just not worth the hassle.

#140 mathman on 01.28.18 at 9:04 pm

PB was crucified, plain and simple and not sure anything illegal actually happened on a criminal level – the real question is the character of an established, independant 28 year old hanging out with 18 year old girls (I say this not knowing if he acknowledged he was with these individuals)

Regarding some of the comments this evening, I have female colleagues that have endured all kinds of BS over the years. They have had to deal with things I have never had to consider or think about as a male. That is what the good part of the movement is about. Not too many men have had to think about where they park their cars in parking lot, contemplate what they should wear to the company outing so as to not be percieved a certain way or had to deal with reams of douche bags. One of the most accomplished people I know confided in me once that she never wears her wedding ring to an interview. I’ll I am asking is before we go and blame people, put yourself in others shoes.

The pendulum has swung to far, I agree – but there are real issues here, systemic issues that have been going on for decades.

On a similar note as a father, if a 28 year old showed up at my door to see my 18 year old daughter – I would most certainly have a frank conversation and be sure to show him my old baseball bats and he may leave (-) two knee caps.

Math

#141 steph on 01.28.18 at 9:05 pm

I know the feeling Garth,
I’ve been going in my deepest memories lately for any possible inappropriate behavior of mine that some forgotten enemies could use against me today.
I don’t think I ever offended a woman but stories can be made up…

But meanwhile, the President of the US of the A like to grab p***y as he please.

Go figure. We live in interesting times.

#142 guillaume on 01.28.18 at 9:12 pm

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#143 Fake News Again on 01.28.18 at 9:13 pm

We went to my employer to discuss a matter concerning my seniority. The employer has 35,000 members. You can guess whether its public or private. The office was large and new and mostly women. Magazines were mostly geared towards women. My husband joked:

“This place is mostly run by women. As a man I think I take offence to that”.

Just then a Feminazi sitting close by said quite loudly “Excuse Me ?????” got up and left the office.

The #MeToo movement is nothing more than the Radical Left now resorting to Kamikaze Suicide Attacks against anyone whom does not “follow or believe their doctrine”.

Thank God this war on the LEFT is almost over……

#144 Millenial on 01.28.18 at 9:19 pm

I have no reason not to believe Patrick Brown’s accusers; I also have no reason to believe them. An accusation is exactly that; an accusation. I remember the weekend after that hijab-wearing teenage girl said some guy came at her twice with scissors; I felt the same way, it’s an accusation, let’s investigate.

I’ve vote conservative, but I’ve never felt inspired by Patrick Brown. And I think a lot of other people feel the same way. Who was this guy? Where did he come from? He didn’t strike a cord with people, and i think that’s at least a small part of the reason he got thrown under the bus by his team.

I remember during the leadership race thinking to myself, please just elect Christine Elliot. But we blew it. We elected another Tim Hudak.

Everybody in this province is worse off for this situation. And I agree with other posters who’ve suggested that the pendulum has swung too far, and women are going to be marginalized because of it.

#145 waiting on the westcoast on 01.28.18 at 9:24 pm

Read this to understand the same mistakes we are repeating…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

While confronting sexual abuse and leverage from positions of power are good, it is also easy to play victim and feel that every unwanted advance / coy comment is a problem.

Beyond the more vile elements of sexual harassment and assault, it appears we are in a global mood to redefine what social norms are for men interacting with women. I hope we don’t end up too far on the side of puritanical conservatism. Either way, it will be an interesting debate.

#146 ImGonnaBeSick on 01.28.18 at 9:33 pm

There’s some misogyny on here.. maybe. I think what I’ve read is mostly men worried about “men’s rights” (yes, this is the actual male equivalent of feminism if you can believe it..). It exists, not a very clever name, but it gets the point across I suppose. Masculinism may be better, but would be crushed by the media and SJWs.

Most of what I’ve read is men worried about losing their rights. Don’t even think to mistake my words that I think it’s a man’s right to harass, sexually or otherwise. Rights in general. Feminism is fine, great actually, and established equal opportunity a long time ago. What is happening now has men worried that they are losing their rights, and I believe that is a valid topic of conversation at this time.

#147 stage1dave on 01.28.18 at 9:38 pm

Man, the pendulum is swingin’ all over the place…in this day ‘n age, a person just wants to stay out of it’s way!

Social media has given “trends” a whole new momentum…as a previous poster noted, perception has become more important than reality.

I’m intrigued by the fact that in previous posts the “#metoo ” tag has been inspired by, and likened to, everything from the National Socialists right thru to the Communists; and pretty much every political stripe in between…huh?

(See? Perception IS more important than reality!) More proof that these political tags have lost all traces of relevancy, or the people using them have.

The thing that really bothers me most about the current character allegations and business/political assassinations being carried out is not only the vagueness of the alleged transgressions, but the quick terminations of individuals involved.

No details, no discovery, certainly no trial or investigation; just get-it-out-of-the-news-cycle and move on. A great disservice to everyone, IMHO. I prefer some meat on my bones…as a society, we should demand better.

(A probable reason for the ferocity of the current “movement” is the simple fact that sexual misconduct in certain industries has been ongoing for so long, and so openly tolerated but certainly not confronted in any meaningful way; that now the allegation of such is enuff to snuff a persons career)

A backlash is hardly surprising. The pendulum will always overswing to compensate for long-ignored grievances. It might, however, bonk a few innocents in the head before getting back where it belongs.

Would have been a lot less messy to confront every occurrence on a case-by-case basis, not something any society has ever been good at. Speaking truth to power (or to those currently in power) is usually a bad career move.

FWIW, most of the miserable, intolerant people I have worked with was a very short experience…I walked, or they did. In the final analysis, whether they were male or female was irrelevant; as was their political affilliation, real or imagined. They were just selfish, self-involved, miserable people who were better off being around their own kind.

Beware of individuals who will not change the subject and refuse to change their minds!

(Like that GF in highschool who just kept playing that damned Meatloaf record over and over and over again, y’know? haha)

#148 Dirty Deeds on 01.28.18 at 9:40 pm

#132 Two-thirds on 01.28.18 at 8:38 pm

Liberal, democratic societies, where the accused and accuser have unequal rights, where swiftness trumps fairness and old deeds are weighed on new scales are neither progressive, nor just, and debase justice.
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The scales haven’t changed, just the punishment.

“And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also.”
Genesis (38:6-9)

#149 Yuus bin Haad on 01.28.18 at 9:41 pm

I’ve just been outed by a silhouette with a distorted voice.

How am I supposed to know if it’s the incident from two decades ago that did happen or the one that didn’t?

#150 Hello on 01.28.18 at 9:47 pm

This is why Universal health care in Canada is better… hahaha

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/01/28/young-couple-contracts-hookworms-in-feet-at-punta-cana-beach-resort.html

#151 Chico on 01.28.18 at 9:53 pm

#131 Ugh on 01.28.18 at 8:38 pm

I’ve been back to reading the comments lately until tonight. So many misogynists.

A few EXCELLENT responses from the other side at least. Thank you.

#metoo

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My sympathy for the sexual assault/rape you suffered does not mean I need to only look at the subject from one position. The subject is both simplistic and complex.

There are honest men who are going to get screwed, that’s simply a fact, not misogyny.

#152 gfd on 01.28.18 at 9:53 pm

Met Rachel Notley in Polihale State Park camp grounds last evening and Bill Murray in Art Coffee in Waimea just now. I hope it’s not the Hawai’ian sun. Aloha Garth. First, I thought, it must have been liberal wind defamation of the opposition.

#153 Marlene from Victoria on 01.28.18 at 10:11 pm

Too many of the comments tonight are pretty disturbing, way too much victim-shaming being directed at women. Sure, men may suffer too, and even be falsely accused. But let’s be real. Maybe one out of a hundred, perhaps thousand. Too many guys here just don’t get it. Here’s another example of the reality women face, even in these times when “the pendulum is swinging.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/edmonton-woman-faces-death-threats-after-alleging-sexual-harassment-by-kent-hehr

#154 The Great Gazoo on 01.28.18 at 10:21 pm

I fully support everyone (men and women) being treated with respect and dignity in the workplace and everywhere for that matter. Abuse and harassment of any kind is not acceptable.

The meetoo movement has to be careful since there is a risk that in some cases innocent people will have their careers and reputations ruined. I believe there will be some innocent victims on the other side too. We need to be careful as a society how this is handled.

Flop donation made in your honor. Keep up the good work.

#155 Trojan House on 01.28.18 at 10:23 pm

Good thing the #metoo meme wasn’t around when a 48 year old Pierre Elliot Trudeau was after an 18 year old Margaret Sinclair.

On second thought, it’s too bad it wasn’t around then…

#156 down_boy on 01.28.18 at 10:23 pm

Google ‘teacher has affair with student’. Click images. Paradigm shaking results.

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#154 The Great Gazoo on 01.28.18 at 10:21 pm

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#158 Hiding On the Backstreets on 01.28.18 at 10:40 pm

Bliss and Brown. Sexual “misconduct”. 12 years after the fact. Or after the absence of fact. Faceless nameless accusers. Genderless….hell no. I guess gender only matters when it suits the gutless mainstream media hypocrites and faux-modern Cultural Marxist politicians.

Something much bigger, insidious and sinister is going on here. Feminism isn’t about equality of opportunity, it’s about persecution of men.

Say strong men. Maintain frame. Never back down. Die with your boots on.

#159 JRT on 01.28.18 at 10:42 pm

I wonder how many of these are fake. Many innocent men and women are going to be harmed. Just like some women who have sex then “regret” it the next day and claim rape. Rape and sexual assault are no laughing matter, but this will affect real cases which deserve investigating.

#160 Hiding On the Backstreets on 01.28.18 at 10:45 pm

@154 The Great Gazoo

“The meetoo movement has to be careful since there is a risk that in some cases innocent people will have their careers and reputations ruined.”

You don’t actually believe that the Metoo movement and its supporters care about the lives/reputations/careers of innocent accused men, do you?

#161 akashic record on 01.28.18 at 10:45 pm

The backdrop of #metoo was Hillary Clinton’s strategy to mobilize female voters against Trump, after the tapes were released.

Women had enough bad experience that could be exploited for political support and Trump exposed himself as an easy voodoo doll.

If Hillary won the election, the Democrats would have put the genie back in the bottle and everything would have gone back to status quo. Especially because the Democrats seem to have more skeletons in the closet than the “deplorables”.

Since Hillary lost, the stirred up politicized emotions continued, #metoo was born and became a central part of #resitence, which aimed to find way to override the unexpected election result, together with the #russiancollusion.

Film stars were leashing out all the rages against the newly elected president about all the horrible sexual assaults that they experienced and carried for decades – as it turned out, ironically, from major Hillary supporter and an industry in general, supporting the Democratic party.

Eventually #meetoo was spinning out of control, spilling over from the originally intended party line, then from US politics to Canadian politics. It is yet to see how far it goes internationally.

#162 JRT on 01.28.18 at 10:47 pm

Forgot to add this to my last post. T2 commented on the Conservative party resignation, but seemed silent on Bill Clinton. That Bozo gave 2 mill to the Clinton foundation. The foundation has hundreds of millions which was donated to go to Haiti. Of course only a puny amount went. More was spend on Chelsey’s wedding from that fund than Haiti.

#163 Ace Goodheart on 01.28.18 at 10:54 pm

I remember back a few blogs ago (before “metoo” became a thing) I told you folks about the collapse of a society and how it effects male-female relations. I hate repeating myself.

In other news, I stumbled upon the answer to an age old question (and the key to many, many over priced pieces of real estate in Toronto): why ARE some schools so much better at educating children than others? Why is it that “good” schools only occur in wealthy neighbourhoods? What is it about wealthy ‘hoods that seem to attract the best elementary school teachers (seeing that public elementary school teachers are unionised civil servants who earn on a pay grid that does not change depending on what publicly funded school they teach at). Why, why, why, do schools that rich kids attend produce so much higher standardised test scores, than schools attended by the children of the working poor?

Then I talked to one of my formerly rich, now abandoned by her pissed off parents (she chose to live with a person they don’t approve of) and living the Pulp Common People dream. She said, “it’s simple dummy, rich people send their kids to a lot of tutors. Do you know I had six tutors by the time I was in grade 3?”

So there you have it folks. There is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in what school you send your kids to. You don’t need to over pay for a house in a popular neighbourhood, so that your kid can go to a “good school”. It’s not the school. It’s the privately paid for tutors.

Sheesh!

#164 Mrs Hubris on 01.28.18 at 10:58 pm

I’m glad you raised this issue, Garth. Public interest in, and discussion about, the overall impact of extreme identity politics is long overdue in what is becoming a McCarthyan-like era in Canada. Particularly overdue and increasingly disturbing, is the impact of identity politics on men in society today. In universities across Canada and the West, in the Humanities and Social Sciences, a dominant (and still growing) research position is the ‘transformative’. Transformative perspectives are important in maintaining social balance but in reality they consistenly target(attack) the prevailing status quo, and at the centre of that status quo is more often than not, the white western man. Transformative perspectives in university research include feminism, race theory, anti-imperalist (western) post-colonialism and queer theory, and these are often valid. The point however, is that university teachers writing and teaching from these perspectives, have an accepted, although often personally biased, political agenda or social justice imperative. In short they are simply positioning themselves as right (albeit LEFT) when theirs is but one single view. They are however 100% empowered to pass their views to their students, arguably unchallenged and uncontested. I know students personally who feel they cannot challenge or question the more extreme of these individuals without losing final marks. The problem with this is that these already-fixed transformative perspectives are not balanced in class or lecture halls, by any other perspective which might help to reveal (to often relatively uninformed students) that this is only one perspective on the world. It similarly neither reveals any dominantly personal or political agenda behind the researcher’s views. Further, as the target of most versions of identity politics is the ‘norm’, as in feminism, race, post colonial and queer theory, the principal norm, and therefore target, is inevitably the white western male and his surrounding culture. It is not at all surprising therefore that individual men are being subjected to mob judgement not based in any way at all on evidence, reasoned debate, or diverse legal argument. And that is not, as you say, the basis of justice at all. I will add, I am a western woman and know and sincerely respect the greater majority of good, kind, able, fair, intelligent and well intentioned men who are not in every way exactly like me! ‘Difference’, as the transformative researcher would also assert, is ironically in this instance, no problem for me at all. If justice is to prevail in society, it MUST continue to be based on wide and diverse perspectives beyond those increasingly advocated in lecture theatres in higher education today. So Garth, well done. The issue needs raised and Canadian people generally need to realise that there is the real possibility of authoritarian or fascist perspectives which do not always come from the right. When men behave badly they are wrong, but when justice does not prevail, western societies are in danger of destroying themselves from the inside out. To the average social justice warrior today I would say, if you destroy the middle ground and leave it entirely bare, you may actually end up with so much less social justice than you naively expected. In fact, you already have in some respects.

#165 SimVan on 01.28.18 at 10:59 pm

The court of public opinion is populated with buffoons. 

The anonimity of the internet and the media coverage of these accusations is undermining basic legal rules which protect both men and women.  The speed with which lives are being destroyed based on accusation alone is unbelievable and reminicent of the Salem witch trials. 

No one has the implicit right to be believed.  We, any one of us, can fling an accusation at another person. Everyone is entitled to due process. Everyone is entitled to the right to be heard. Everyone is entitled to the right to a defence. 

One thing I have learned as a litigator is that people lie and liars come in both genders, all socio-economic backgrounds and races. I have watched people lie under oath having sworn to tell the truth when there is video, photographs or independant witnesses which will demonstrate that they are lying. Based on my experiences I believe there are always two sides to every story.  You have to lay those stories on on top of the other and somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

I hope the #metoo movement continues because I think it has value.  Women in positions of weakness are often the victims of abuse. However, being a feminist does not mean that we must automatically take every woman who speaks out at face value.  For me it also means looking at the decent men in my life and defending thier right to be free of false accusations and be afforded due process. 

#166 OttawaMike on 01.28.18 at 11:13 pm

A good question to ask is why would any woman want to place herself in the trust of a journalist who will sift through her story and personal life and then corroborate it?
Why would she then want to do it all again publicly?

#167 JRT on 01.28.18 at 11:19 pm

I forgot about this cartoon. Not an article, the cartoon is titled “Know the work rules.” Perfect for this topic.

http://www.gocomics.com/sunny-street/2013/09/16

#168 Mark on 01.28.18 at 11:32 pm

“Knowing the one he doesn’t hire will charge down to HR and make-up stories. “

Not only that, but in many organizations, it is very difficult for a male manager to promote an attractive younger talented person to higher level position. Without raising the spectre of other employees feeling that they were passed over because they weren’t in the position to provide ‘favours’ to the boss.

As a result, such promotions of up-and comers, particularly attractive ones, don’t happen. Our corporations, our governments basically turn into union shops where promotions are done solely on seniority. Productivity crashes, labour mobility becomes non-existent. And sooner or later, our economy essentially ends up looking like that of the Soviet Union even without official “communism”.

Quite frankly, I think we’re already there, especially in the public sector.

#169 Fortune500 on 01.28.18 at 11:40 pm

It is hard to know what to do or what to say in a world of hyper-sensationalized reporting and knee-jerk accusations. Everyone is a victim, and everyone has been wronged.

With that said, those who have committed true offenses should be brought to justice. So to should those making false claims. Women deserve to be treated with respect, and so do men.

Might I suggest the following for those of you who want to make a difference in terms of what we are seeing in our society. Let’s all start with ourselves:

12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

https://www.amazon.com/12-Rules-Life-Antidote-Chaos/dp/0345816021

#170 ronh on 01.28.18 at 11:45 pm

#119 nonplused
Try this: http://www.ipleak.net

#171 n1tro on 01.28.18 at 11:50 pm

#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm
And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?
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Give it a rest already. Aren’t you the one that promised to leave this blog if Trump won since you were so sure of Hillary? I’m sure you would have tormented SM to no end to leave if Hillary won while I haven’t seen SM even mention you after the election results other than to rebute your attacks.

#172 n1tro on 01.29.18 at 12:00 am

#41 Graeme on 01.28.18 at 2:50 pm
Garth,

Speaking of ageism, rarely does a day or week go buy when you’re not (literally) sliming “moist millenials.” Not only is this a form of ageism, in my mind, it also borders on the obscene.
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Does someone need a hug?

#173 Chico on 01.29.18 at 12:11 am

#140 mathman on 01.28.18 at 9:04 pm

Not too many men have had to think about where they park their cars in parking lot, contemplate what they should wear to the company outing so as to not be percieved a certain way or had to deal with reams of douche bags.

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This is a key point about human history. These problems women have had fearing for their safety aren’t new, and aren’t about to go away completely, ever! That sucks! What many women have learned is to not let some ideology that is noble, cloud their judgement about what reality is. Men have been the physical protectors of women throughout history also. Making idiotic statements about “all men” is not in women’s best interest. It’s men that have protected women from the scum bags who mean to hurt them.

The issues you’ve raised about women fearing for their safety on a regular basis or wondering how they’ll be perceived based on their outfit will not change this side of heaven.

#174 Ms Fool on 01.29.18 at 12:12 am

I’ve been victim of sexual harrasment and it’s a traumatic experience. You are afraid of talking about it and feel ashame, even when you have done nothing wrong. However, I think the #Metoo movement has gone too far, it seems like a witch hunt and trivializes a very serious issue.
If there is sexual misconduct, it should be investigated and charged accordingly.
People have too thin skin nowadays…. besides the financial advise, one of the reasons I like this blog is because our host speaks his mind in a flamboyant way.

@#41
You must be a recent reader of this blog, there was a time when misoginistic phrases were used for ilustration purposes… I never felt ofended. You have to ligth it up and relax!

#175 James Kook on 01.29.18 at 12:20 am

The consequence of this manshaming is obvious:
segregation.

Who will want hire women? Why?
Every man will instinctively try to avoid any team where there female faces.

#176 Chico on 01.29.18 at 12:36 am

#153 Marlene from Victoria on 01.28.18 at 10:11 pm

Too many of the comments tonight are pretty disturbing, way too much victim-shaming being directed at women. Sure, men may suffer too, and even be falsely accused. But let’s be real. Maybe one out of a hundred, perhaps thousand. Too many guys here just don’t get it. Here’s another example of the reality women face, even in these times when “the pendulum is swinging.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/edmonton-woman-faces-death-threats-after-alleging-sexual-harassment-by-kent-hehr

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I read the story in the journal…it sounds terrible. The problem I find, and I’m sure many people find, is who to trust regarding credible information on this subject. Is the journal credible? I’m not being factious or flippant.

I watched the Jian Ghomeshi trail and I thought the guy was a scumbag. It was sad to see that 2 of the women accusing him, lied and colluded. It’s situations like that which create doubt and make it difficult to assess what the truth is.

As a man of 52, I’ve found lying to be an equal opportunity endeavor for both sexes. I wouldn’t trust a man’s word more than a women’s because gender means nothing without the facts, without context.

Women should be speaking out about the mistreatment/abuse they take. The challenge they face is the same as those accusing Ghomesi, they will also be scrutinized. To expect the accusing party to not be scrutinized is unrealistic.

#177 NEVER GIVE UP on 01.29.18 at 12:37 am

In a perfect fantasy world of serious fairness. All accused people should have a day in court before the press or any form of media should be allowed to Black Ball them.

A perfect example of this is the immediate tyrannical court of public opinion that interferes with the private lives of Politicians.

What intelligent thinking person should care if a politician has an Affair or is Gay or all of the above while his wife is still with him. Sometimes the wives approve in an open marriage but cannot say in public.

It is not our business to be snooping into the 5pm to 8 am lives of others even if they are doing work for us.

We really should be caring about the quality of their work.

It really should be outlawed but as I said above “fantasy”.

Many people have been severely punished financially or by family damage because of the “peeping tomism” of the general public that pays the salaries of the journalists that intrude into what otherwise should be private lives.

If a “nobody” peers into a window at a woman taking a shower, how is that different from a photographer in a tree with a telephoto lens getting a photograph of a Royal sunbathing topless?

You can bet the “nobody” will get jail time and the press photographer will get a financial reward !

If you bought the paper that has the racy stolen picture on the headline, are you also a little bit guilty of being a “Peeping Tom”?

#178 NEVER GIVE UP on 01.29.18 at 12:51 am

Penny Henny on 01.28.18 at 12:21 pm

Yes things sure are getting crazy out there.
Just the other day I was at an exotic dancing establishment and one of the dancers remarked to me “Hey my eyes are up here buddy”.
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On the other hand the world is a wildly random, exotic, unfair, and tyrannical place! That’s part of the attraction, though, the dizzying chaos of it all!

#179 Karlhungus on 01.29.18 at 12:54 am

#124
Any proof to that claim? I sincerely doubt people are making less now then they did 40 years ago, inflation or not

#180 Diharv on 01.29.18 at 12:54 am

Not sure how much of men’s behaviour the metoo movement will eventually include in its sphere of social media justice but it is getting close to totality . It seems to be evolving as the really dirty rats were weeded out early and then it moved on to bad dates ie Azziz Ansari . The way it’s going , giving a compliment like ” you look nice today ” will shortly be viewed as sexual assault .

#181 Concerned Reader on 01.29.18 at 1:16 am

What is the right response from a company in these situations? Would suspension pending investigation not be more appropriate? However, does a business really want to be shackled by an employee who’s case may take years to resolve? Perhaps the best option is immediate termination no matter how old the claim or flimsy the evidence.

#182 Last of the Boomers on 01.29.18 at 1:27 am

@paddler #129

I posted my families real life situation as a tenant in west Vancouver and my post never made it onto this blog. It disappeared completely. So instead, I wrote my families truth to the provincial and municipal governments who both responded back. The various levels of government are aware of what is happening. They just don’t seem to feel empowered to do anything about it…yet. The provincial government respondent did mention the Feb budget (without disclosing any details) and the mayor suggested a few possible actions.

The hospital staff are burning out at an atrocious rate and there just aren’t staff to hire to replace those that are choosing to leave. It won’t be long until crisis forces change (As long as the administrators and politicians are smart enough to recognize what they are seeing and start talking to one another).

#183 vanislewally on 01.29.18 at 2:00 am

Mr. Turner: please re-read #58.. I can’t believe we’re descending into holocaust denial here…

I saw no such reference. – Garth

#184 Rexx Rock on 01.29.18 at 2:04 am

Stop picking on T2.Sure he’d be better of running a lemon aide stand than a country but he was a great drama teacher and thats what really counts for Canadians.He was a world traveller, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and put up a good fight in the ring.How could you not vote for this guy.

#185 morrey on 01.29.18 at 2:05 am

However the haste with which organizations are dumping people accused, but not proven, of wrongful behaviour is breathtaking.

A Witch hunt comes to mind, and McCarthyism. An ugly Puritanism.

#186 Spock on 01.29.18 at 2:12 am

Unfortunately the clown is giving or gave $20 million to the Clinton Foundation (not 2 million).

Maybe the consequence of the #me2 movement is that men should give up their careers and working altogether and be a homemaker. That way no one has any reason to do veiled accusations and Trudeau’s dream of having lots of women hired and at higher pages will be successful which HAS TO lead to a higher growth in the economy (as per the memo he follows).

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#162 JRT on 01.28.18 at 10:47 pm
Forgot to add this to my last post. T2 commented on the Conservative party resignation, but seemed silent on Bill Clinton. That Bozo gave 2 mill to the Clinton foundation. The foundation has hundreds of millions which was donated to go to Haiti. Of course only a puny amount went. More was spend on Chelsey’s wedding from that fund than Haiti.

#187 morrey on 01.29.18 at 2:25 am

Wozy: ‘A ” large, mysterious, untaxed pool of international capital” is being converted into speculative investment in residential real estate in Metro Vancouver’.

#188 Ustabe on 01.29.18 at 3:06 am

Simple really.

Do not say or do anything to a woman you wouldn’t say or do to your cell mate in prison.

Doug Ford for OPC leader you say? He’ll fix all this, you will be better soon, ha!

#189 backwardsevolution on 01.29.18 at 3:42 am

I read an interesting post on flirting, so I asked my young son whether there was much flirting going on at parties.

He quickly said, “No, that could be construed as sexual assault.”

What? I thought he was kidding, but he was dead serious.

No banter, no flirtation, marriages arranged through the Internet, like buying something on Amazon.

What is going on here?

#190 Arse on 01.29.18 at 4:38 am

If—
BY RUDYARD KIPLING

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

#191 Howard on 01.29.18 at 6:04 am

I often agree with Stan Brooks but even I’m starting to get annoyed with his rants.

Garth, can you allocate post quotas on a sliding scale of annoyance?

#192 Millenial on 01.29.18 at 6:18 am

#153 Marlene from Victoria on 01.28.18 at 10:11 pm
Too many of the comments tonight are pretty disturbing, way too much victim-shaming being directed at women. Sure, men may suffer too, and even be falsely accused. But let’s be real. Maybe one out of a hundred, perhaps thousand. Too many guys here just don’t get it. Here’s another example of the reality women face, even in these times when “the pendulum is swinging.”

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/edmonton-woman-faces-death-threats-after-alleging-sexual-harassment-by-kent-hehr

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#metoo campaign is wonderfully supported by liberals, so long as it hurts their opponents. otherwise, it’s unacceptable, don’t you see?

#193 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 7:44 am

“No banter, no flirtation, marriages arranged through the Internet, like buying something on Amazon.

What is going on here?”…clue is: “marriages arranged”. Just a natural reverting to what has, historically, been the natural order for humans. Until the Industrial Revolution in the west changed the migration pattern from village to towns and cities, virtually all marriages retained some element of arrangement and marriage was to a very large degree a socio-economic contract between families in similar economic strata. Your family’s position defined your pool of appropriate spouses and either your family arranged fhe match or an elder or match maker did.

Then the Industrial Revolution so dramatically changed the migration pattern and the practice slowly disappeared. Now, along comes the Digital Revolution and things start to revert back.

The loss of basic low paying manufacturing/service employment in cities has dramaticall reduced the lower income cohort from migrating from rural towns to cities for employment at the end of basic education. L

Where inappropriate sexual contact was once almost a “hanging offence” forcing marriages, now it’s evolved into destruction of reputations and loss of careers.

“Nothing ever changes so much as it stays the same”. The Net has really just become the surrogate for your parents or the local match maker, a way to avoid the socially destructive practice of mating outside your social stratta. Not surprising then that many if not all online dating platforms contain some method to define or infer income and social stratta without actually having to initiate physical contact.

#194 Teachers Pet on 01.29.18 at 7:45 am

#156 down_boy on 01.28.18 at 10:23 pm
Google ‘teacher has affair with student’. Click images. Paradigm shaking results.
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You deserve a merit badge for your investigative journalism!
There must be at least 50 women teachers on that list…. yeah it says 50 ….. I guess in the whole world. That’s almost a couple year’s worth of the guys framed in Ontario’s College of Teacher’s “Blue Pages”. Makes ya think.

#195 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 8:08 am

Karl, “124 Any proof to that claim? I sincerely doubt people are making less now then they did 40 years ago, inflation or not” that’s not exactly what post #124 said.

The claim is that people now are not making more than meslippery made 40 years ago and while it’s surprising, it is rather true. In Jan 2018, minimum wage in Ontario will deliver a 40hr/week income virtually identical to average salary of a high school principal outside Toronto 43 years ago. And yes, I do happen to know precisely what the average salary of a high school principal outside of Toronto was in 1975.

#196 james on 01.29.18 at 8:14 am

171 nitro –

“Give it a rest already. Aren’t you the one that promised to leave this blog if Trump won since you were so sure of Hillary? I’m sure you would have tormented SM to no end to leave if Hillary won while I haven’t seen SM even mention you after the election results other than to rebute your attacks.”
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Yes, I did challenge him to put his money where his mouth was, and bet on Trump winning, and whoever lost would leave this blog. Simple terms, clear consequences.

But he was too much of a coward, that Emasculated Smoking Turd, to take me up on my bet. He said so right here, check his comments. Pure cowardice.

Therein lies the reality of who he really is.

#197 Amy on 01.29.18 at 8:24 am

Do you really think these people are being let-go for what we hear about in the media? It’s an iceberg. We only hear about a small fraction of the accusations their employers are privy to.

If the justice system worked for sexual assault and harassment victims, we wouldn’t need the courts public opinion. For too long we’ve been shamed into silence with no way to be heard and no way for justice. But not any longer.

In the next generation may my sister not have been drugged at a bar, twice; may I never have been flashed old man peen multiple times as a teenager; may I not have had some guy jack off behind me on a late night go-train; and my my mother not have been raped.

Men, you aren’t aware of our stories and what it’s like to be female. Do you think my dad and brothers know about our stories of sexual harassment? Nope, we’ve been shamed into silence…

We need to prevent the next generation of women from being sexually harassed and having to worry – constantly – about their safety. Even if a few good men happen to be taken down with the worst men, so be it. It’s for the greater good.

#TimesUp

#198 TurnerNation on 01.29.18 at 8:26 am

Ja here in Kanada decadence is too expensive. Enjoy instead your government mandated gruel rations,
Only the Government Elite and Party Faithful will eat like royalty.
Pay your fair share!! (Did you hear they want to further tax meat? More Climate BS.)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/small-business/sb-managing/ontario-restaurant-owners-say-minimum-wage-hike-forcing-them-to-cut-alter-menus/article37762743/

“The Brussels sprouts pizza was a bestseller at Toronto east-end restaurant Lil’ Baci. But pressed by Ontario’s Jan. 1 minimum-wage hike, owner Mark Bacci recently took the item off the menu, saying its costly ingredients, such as mascarpone, ricotta, pancetta and truffle oil, made the margins on the dish too small for what he felt he could charge.

“It was such a good pizza, but it was just killing us,” Mr. Bacci said.”

Inflation is 2% guys! Wink wink got it?? Hilarious programming on CBC news web site it’s daily, multiple times a day outrage against tiny groups of people. But this:

“Food suppliers have increased prices in light of the new minimum wage, making it more expensive for restaurants to buy ingredients for dishes, too.

Erik Joyal, owner of the Italian restaurant Ascari Enoteca, said that, during the first week of January, multiple suppliers sent him letters informing him of price hikes on their products.”

#199 Howard on 01.29.18 at 8:30 am

And you all thought Andrew Scheer was a poor choice.

Bland squeaky-clean father of five.

What are the progressive neo-fascist hitmen going to find on him? That he used to try to watch pay-per-view adult films as a teenager in the 90s?

#200 Trojan House on 01.29.18 at 8:32 am

#165 SimVan on 01.28.18 at 10:59 pm

“Everyone is entitled to due process. Everyone is entitled to the right to be heard. Everyone is entitled to the right to a defence.”

And everyone has a right to face their accusers in a court of law.

Sadly, this will never happen for Patrick Brown or the many others accused of these crimes.

#201 IHCTD9 on 01.29.18 at 8:32 am

#175 James Kook on 01.29.18 at 12:20 am
The consequence of this manshaming is obvious:
segregation.

Who will want hire women? Why?
Every man will instinctively try to avoid any team where there female faces.
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Yep.

I did a little thinking about how I would handle newer/younger Women in the workplace – and that is what I would do.

I understand, and feel fine around Women my own age. I grew up with the same “taboos” as they did. I would interact with them same as always.

But younger 20-30’s Women?

No way.

Avoid.

In fact, I have already done this in the past, and it was pretty much instinctual.

#202 joblo on 01.29.18 at 8:52 am

Here ya go folks, Robot love. Problems solved.
Back to work.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/13/looking-for-robot-love-here-are-5-sexbots-you-can-buy-right-now-6891378/

#203 PBrasseur on 01.29.18 at 9:07 am

Looks like Brown was lynched pure and simple.

I hope he sues the hell out of everybody.

#204 Eks dee Sipal on 01.29.18 at 9:09 am

Garth, you must know that I exposed Patrick Brown as merely a fake character played by an actor, about a year ago or so. He is running away. Just like Eve Adams, and Rob Ford, and etc… And you ‘know’ him? That’s interesting. There is a reason why he was ‘quiet in those days’. He is as fake as most of your political leaders. I win. Again. Now, that Bliss character… don’t know him. Is there something you want to tell me? Remember… lies have short legs. And I will catch up. Because I have long legs. Three of ’em. -XD

#205 Howard on 01.29.18 at 9:10 am

Pretty soon one of these female accusers is going to claim sexual assault against a man who will turn out to be gay, thus rendering the accusation preposterous and a clear case of slander.

#206 Courage and Poo on 01.29.18 at 9:49 am

Hi Garth,

I recently became active on Instagram to find a tribe of people sharing my interests. After commenting on someone’s post, with a comment that was completely benign but challenged the authors viewpoint, I immediately got blocked. I was shocked because I am accustomed to this blog and your tolerance of the comments. I appreciate this blog and your comments section more than ever now. The people who complain, really don’t know how good they’ve got it here. You are awesome, and a true advocate of free speech.

“Those who are offended easily, need to be offended more often”

Time to get to work everyone!

#207 IHCTD9 on 01.29.18 at 9:49 am

#197 Amy on 01.29.18 at 8:24 am

Even if a few good men happen to be taken down with the worst men, so be it. It’s for the greater good.
_____

Please leave the country immediately.

#208 Smoking Man on 01.29.18 at 9:52 am

#166 OttawaMike on 01.28.18 at 11:13 pm
A good question to ask is why would any woman want to place herself in the trust of a journalist who will sift through her story and personal life and then corroborate it?
Why would she then want to do it all again publicly
……

For the prize. A best selling book. The big prize. The big fish.

T2, Wild Bill. Or even Butts
If I was one of them I would be crapping my paints right now. No proof required. Just a camera and some tears.

#209 Bytor the Snow Dog on 01.29.18 at 9:52 am

1. The problem is that the definition of “sexual assault” has become so nebulous that men don’t know what “sexual assault” is anymore.

2. Fired for an “unwanted sexual advance”? How does a man know that a sexual advance is “unwanted” unless he actually makes said advance?

3. Note to married men: You think your wife can’t/won’t do this to you during a contentious divorce?

4. After what Wynne and especially Horvath said after the Brown Affair surfaced I will never, ever vote Liberal or NDP again, either provincially or Federally (not to mention JT The Feminist). However, since the Cons threw Brown under the bus, who exactly can I vote for?

I will vote for any party that promises an end to identity politics. WHERE IS THAT PARTY?

#210 Smoking Man on 01.29.18 at 10:04 am

#171 n1tro on 01.28.18 at 11:50 pm
#13 james on 01.28.18 at 12:34 pm
And of course, you’ll be limiting Smoking Man to two comments per day as well…?
——————
Give it a rest already. Aren’t you the one that promised to leave this blog if Trump won since you were so sure of Hillary? I’m sure you would have tormented SM to no end to leave if Hillary won while I haven’t seen SM even mention you after the election results other than to rebute your attacks.
…..

Please do not defend me regarding James. I’ve concluded what I’m dealing with and I’m afraid. I have a deranged sister in law that reminds me of James. I know when I’ve met my match. In fact this may be smoking man’s last post as smoking man. Doesnt mean i wont post. She counts and tallies my deleted posts. That’s not normal.
So people just hate having fun.

#211 Midnights on 01.29.18 at 10:27 am

‘You can’t charge a person with murder when they’ve only got a parking ticket’: Sharon Stone slams Harvey Weinstein – but risks #MeToo backlash as she warns against punishing all sexual predators the same way

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5320507/amp/Sharon-Stone-says-Weinstein-locked-up.html

#212 dharma bum on 01.29.18 at 10:29 am

2 things:

1. I am so sick of people crawling out of the woodwork decade(s) after allegedly being “abused” in one form or another. It has become a trendy “hop-on-the-bandwagon” fad. Enough already. Shut up and go away.

2. Congratulations to SCM for achieving his goal. Being outrageous and obnoxious got him what he wanted: Attention. Special attention in the form of acknowledgement by this blog’s creator, writer, and host.
Way to go. You’ve hit the big time. What a joke.

#213 Alistair McLaughlin on 01.29.18 at 10:47 am

@#41 Graeme, he also refers to boomers as “wrinklies”. There’s a difference between poking innocent fun at a particular demographic and outright hating on them. Learn that difference. Otherwise you’ll end up as one of those tragic fools who protests Jordan Peterson for the crime of calling you on your own BS.

#214 Penny Henny on 01.29.18 at 10:59 am

#68 Entrepreneur on 01.28.18 at 4:40 pm

Off topic: Google Dr. Sircus, Ac., OMD on Transdermal Magnesium Rub, using the skin to ease pain (arthritic pain too) but use according to age.

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Thanks

#215 shortymac on 01.29.18 at 10:59 am

Oh lordy, look at the comments in this here thread… geez folks. Remember the metoo movement has also helped male victims come forward too like Terry Crews and Rob Schneider.

In addition to the whole “don’t date your co-workers” advice is:

1) be open and honest with what you want – Too many woman are socialize to be “nice” and not be direct with anyone, including men. Be bold and tell him to fark off. (This is not a victim blaming)

Also, guys are socialized to not be honest with their intentions as well. Are you looking for a relationship or one night. Be Honest.

2) accept a “no” with grace – no whining, no biatchiness, no one owes you an explanation.

3) Don’t move forward without a “yes” – should be obvious

#216 Chico on 01.29.18 at 11:03 am

#197 Amy on 01.29.18 at 8:24 am

Men, you aren’t aware of our stories and what it’s like to be female. Do you think my dad and brothers know about our stories of sexual harassment? Nope, we’ve been shamed into silence…

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I read your whole post. What you have gone through is terrible, and your female family members. Here’s the rub though…the men you should be angry with and are the true a**holes are you Dad and your brothers.

If women want change, post stories about how their Dad’s and brother’s shamed them into silence and allowed this abuse to go on. The biggest scum are the family members who won’t protect their own.

This is where people sap out though. “But they’re family” you say. Family is more than biology, it should be a commitment to care, protect, love, not simply cover one’s ass.

Post the name of your Dad and brother’s and see how quickly things change, then tell me about the price of change and whether you’re willing to pay the price.

#217 Sean on 01.29.18 at 11:04 am

#45 #66

I’m not a real estate pumper lol. I’m 32 and watched this market grow essentially to unreachable points for myself over 10 years.

Sorry I should’ve clarified. We are at 200k income so we can max out under the new ratio. But 200k family income isn’t unheard of in Toronto.

Also the point I was trying to make was we could leverage to the max — 75k down for a 1 million home. Or do the sensible thing with 20% down and afford something much less, which is very difficult to find in Toronto and get a worse rate because the bank would rather you pay 20k on insurance that covers them completely. THATS what temptation is.

This was from a big 5.

Is this what a real estate pumper would say?

#218 A J on 01.29.18 at 11:04 am

As I mentioned in your previous post, nothing exists in a vacuum. This has been centuries in the making. The justice system has not treated sexual assault victims properly, or given perpetrators severe enough sentences. Even they are even convicted at all! It’s like anything in life, once enough pressure builds, it explodes. And that’s exactly what’s happening here. And it needs to happen. Things need to change.

#219 PastThePeak on 01.29.18 at 11:09 am

#199 Howard on 01.29.18 at 8:30 am
And you all thought Andrew Scheer was a poor choice.

Bland squeaky-clean father of five.

What are the progressive neo-fascist hitmen going to find on him? That he used to try to watch pay-per-view adult films as a teenager in the 90s?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No, the media have labeled him bland and boring. Another death knell in politics. Oh well…

If the PC’s stick with Vic “what’s his name”, it will be either a Liberal or NDP gov’t in a few months. Ontario’s demise will continue / accelerate.

Federally, it would take a scandal of unbelievable magnitude, or a huge recession, for the Liberals to lose. History is on their side (repeat wins the norm), the kids will be happily enjoying legal MJ, and the Conservative leader isn’t going to get much positive media coverage.

So 4 more years of Lib/left in Ontario and the Feds. Quebec could swing further left in the next election, since the Libs (what constitutes the centre in Quebec, there being only centre and variations of left), have been in for two terms already.

All good! It more quickly brings about the inevitable…

#220 PastThePeak on 01.29.18 at 11:20 am

#175 James Kook on 01.29.18 at 12:20 am
The consequence of this manshaming is obvious:
segregation.
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I think some “freedom” to voluntarily segregate is a good thing (freedom does mean allowing individuals, and groups of individuals, to do what they want, within the law). There are already women only gyms, and that should be allowed to expand so women have places where they can be safe from physical concerns, unwanted advances, and even unwanted glances. Have clubs, women only restaurants, bars, etc. Movie theatre’s could have women only screenings of movies.

In the office, progressive companies *should* be offering women-only office spaces (floors, or walled off areas). Keep the men out of there. Women may be much more productive if they don’t have to be concerned with men about. If a male happens to be the manager, they could have special locations for holding necessary meetings. Women will want to work for such companies, which will force others to compete.

In fairness, men should be able to have similar freedoms. At the very least have their mens only clubs & sports facilities, where they do not have to worry about offending women, and possibly ruining their own lives. And these facilities should be all male, including staff, so there are no shenanigans like what we read about in the UK this past week.

This seems like a win for all. It is actually freedom (no one is forcing a business to do this, or people to go there, just to freedom to associate, or not associate); it ensures both sides are safe from the respective threats; and it should lead to reductions in harm in society.

Why not?

#221 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 11:36 am

“Pretty soon one of these female accusers is going to claim sexual assault against a man who will turn out to be gay, thus rendering the accusation preposterous and a clear case of slander.”…only if some of these allegations are fabricated, malicious, unwarranted attacks. If they aren’t?

Not a particularly effective method to determine the veracity of these allegations but it would work but I think that any malicious accuser with an ounce of sense would be damn certain their victim is hetero before starting anything. Well, unless the accuser is gay and knowingly accusing another gay person ala Kevin Spacey? Oy, this is getting convoluted.

#222 Ian on 01.29.18 at 11:49 am

Why is gold positively correlated with the US stock market? It’s supposed to go up when the US market goes down. Today is not a good sign.

World’s all upside down y’all

#223 Backmarker on 01.29.18 at 12:04 pm

Good Luck Men.
The Victims Right Bill ,your guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je65790syn8

#224 Smartalox on 01.29.18 at 12:29 pm

Doug Ford announces that he’s running for the leadership of the Ontario PC party.

That, my friends, is the sound of the other shoe dropping.

#225 A J on 01.29.18 at 12:41 pm

I’m a Liberal who was going to vote PC in the next election. If Ford is at the helm, no way in heck I’m voting PC. Ford would be a profoundly stupid choice to lead the PC party.

#226 conan on 01.29.18 at 12:46 pm

#223 Smartalox on 01.29.18 at 12:29 pm

“That, my friends, is the sound of the other shoe dropping.”

Is this the candidate who is going to be the beneficiary of the “Short Pants HQ” dollars ,and organisation?

Will we ever see the Ontario Progressive Conservatives, pre- Harper era, again?

Those Reformacon dollars…….

#227 Stan Brooks on 01.29.18 at 12:48 pm

#191 Howard on 01.29.18 at 6:04 am
I often agree with Stan Brooks but even I’m starting to get annoyed with his rants.

Garth, can you allocate post quotas on a sliding scale of annoyance?

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The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth

Marcus Aurelius

#228 MORONS on 01.29.18 at 12:54 pm

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#229 Ian on 01.29.18 at 12:57 pm

There shouldn’t even be a leadership race for the PCs.

We will vote on it in March, but we’ll just reaffirm Vic Fideli, who was my no. 1 choice anyway. This is idiotic.

#230 TurnerNation on 01.29.18 at 1:08 pm

On topic ;) this man’s large winning beard triggered the CBC filters and staffers.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/sudbury/huntington-award-photo-1.4508288

“Huntington University’s all-male award photo ‘runs contrary’ to diversity work, say critics”

#231 Victor V on 01.29.18 at 1:09 pm

U.S. Fed likely to hold rates steady at Yellen’s final meeting

https://www.bnn.ca/u-s-fed-likely-to-hold-rates-steady-at-yellen-s-final-meeting-1.981664

WASHINGTON — Janet Yellen’s final Federal Reserve policy meeting will likely bring an uneventful end this week to her four-year tenure as Fed chair but perhaps offer hints of the central bank’s approach to interest rates in the months to follow.

Yellen, the first woman to lead the world’s most influential central bank, will step down when her term expires at the end of this week. She will be succeeded by Jerome Powell, a Fed board member whose nomination as chairman the Senate approved 84-13 last week.

#232 Renter's Revenge! on 01.29.18 at 1:09 pm

#207 IHCTD9 on 01.29.18 at 9:49 am
#197 Amy on 01.29.18 at 8:24 am

Even if a few good men happen to be taken down with the worst men, so be it. It’s for the greater good.
_____

Please leave the country immediately.

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Seconded.

There’s just something incredibly disturbing about that way of thinking. Tribalism at it’s worst.

Change the wording to, “Even if a few good [women] happen to be taken down with the worst [women], so be it. It’s for the greater good,” and see how she still feels about it.

I hope we’re only being trolled here.

#233 Penny Henny on 01.29.18 at 1:10 pm

#119 Nonplused on 01.28.18 at 7:44 pm
The part I don’t see working is that it’s hard to actually ban someone from a comments section that does not require registration. All you need is a new email and a new handle and vola! You are back! Until discovered of course but that might take some time.
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and a new IP address ;)

#234 Bigrider on 01.29.18 at 1:16 pm

If it turns out that some of the allegations against the plethora of men who have been shamed and found guilty in the court of public opinion and now have their lives ruined ,regardless of the court decisions rendered in the future , should they have recourse against the false accusers and should the accusers be forced to give up their anonymity if found to be innocent ?

My vote is most definitely.

#235 InvestorsFriend on 01.29.18 at 1:19 pm

A tale of Two Attitudes Towards Tax on RRSP Withdrawals

Imagine Frank and Joe have identical and relatively modest RRSPs and are both 65 and were never big income earners.

Both contributed $50,000 over a period of years starting at age 30 (it was 1983). Their marginal tax rates averaged 30%. Now, in 2018 the two RRSPs have grown to $200,000.

They are both told that on withdrawals they will face a 33% marginal tax rate, a bit higher than when they contributed because both have modest defined benefit pension plans or other incomes such that the marginal tax rate went up.

Frank calculates that on his original $50,000 contribution he got back a 30% refund so $15,000. And he now realizes that he will have to pay 33% tax on $200,000 for a total tax of $66,000. He will net $134,000 over a period of years as he withdraws. (We will ignore further growth in the RRSP).

Frank is wild: “This tax is outrageous! I never should have invested in the RRSP! I saved $15,000 in tax and now have to pay back $66,000! Not only that but much of my gains were capital gains and dividends. I could have invested in a taxable account and paid WAY lower tax, like maybe 15 to 20%, not 33%! This RRSP has been nothing but a tax trap.”

Joe looks at it differently. He calculates that after the refund he only ever invested $35,000 net. He looks at “his” RRSP as being $35,000 funded by him and $15,000 funded by the tax refund. Or 70% funded by him, 30% bey the refund. He notes that the RRSP quadrupled to $200,000. He calculates that had his net $35,000 quadrupled with zero tax it would net $140,000. He notes that in the RRSP calculation he will net $134,000 after the $66,000 tax. He feels that the refund had funded 30% of the RRSP and so covers the first 30% of taxes so $60,000. He calculates that his net share of the tax will be $6000. He is paying $6000 tax on his gains of ($140,000 minus $35,000) $105,000 for a tax rate of 5.7% on the growth in his net investment in the RRSP.

Joe is very happy with the situation. “I am SO glad I struggled and put that $50,000 in the RRSP over the years he says. Not only was it savings that I otherwise would have spent, but the tax on the growth of my net $35,000 cost of those contributions was only 6% which beats anything I could have done in a taxable account all to heck. Even though my marginal tax rate went up, I came out way ahead. And just think if I could manage to get this money out at say a 25% marginal tax rate. That would mean the refund MORE than covered the tax on withdrawals, with money left over!”

So, two identical RRSPs both with 33% taxes on withdrawals, one taxpayer is screaming and regretful, the other smiling.

Who is correct?

#236 InvestorsFriend on 01.29.18 at 1:23 pm

Correction

“He feels that the refund had funded 30% of the RRSP and so covers the first 30% of taxes so $60,000.”

Should read”

He feels that the refund had funded 30% of the RRSP and now amounts to 30% of $200,000 or $60,000 and this effectively covers the first $60,000 of the $66,000 in taxes.

#237 Lobster Man on 01.29.18 at 1:32 pm

Garth,

Will there be a Fed Fund Rate decision at the FOMC Meeting of Wednesday, January 31, 2018?

Thanks,
LM

#238 Pre-retiree on 01.29.18 at 1:34 pm

No woman I know has not been subjected to abuse of power from a man in their lifetime, me included.
Having said that, I totally agree that accusations cannot be made freely without substantial proof, and should be made in the correct setting, as the consequences for the person accused are too great. And unfortunately, the men are not in a position to defend themselves. The ambiance of political correctness has gone too far.
Interestingly though, why the MeToo movement might have gone too far is probably because the abuses have gone on for too long, and now the backlash is going too far the other way. Doesn’t that remind you of what is about to happen with the real estate market?
Everything has to come back to balance at a certain point, and I hope it happens soon for both the real estate market and the MeToo movement.

#239 Smartalox on 01.29.18 at 1:39 pm

@#226:

You forget how many of Stephen Harper’s front-bench cabinet were veterans of the Ontario (Mike Harris) era Ontario PC government of the 1990s. Baird, Flaherty, Mutton-chops Clement. There were lots more in the back-rooms too.

Also, that Mike Harris government included one Doug Ford senior, whose namesake is the natural torch-bearer for a libertarian-leaning populist push.

Watch for the Ontario election to be a small-scale test of the next Federal election: a free-spending lefty Liberal incumbent, versus an angry, populist, libertarian-leaning, Conservative party, spouting rhetoric about ‘Common Sense’.

#240 conan on 01.29.18 at 1:40 pm

#227 Stan Brooks on 01.29.18 at 12:48 pm

“Marcus Aurelius”

I thought we had a no quoting Marcus Aurelius rule…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChgwuoWTVy8

#241 TFSA on 01.29.18 at 1:42 pm

max it . Every year. First and foremost…then move to option B

you’re welcome

#242 Blacksheep on 01.29.18 at 1:42 pm

Past # 220,

“There are already women only gyms, and that should be allowed to expand so women have places where they can be safe from physical concerns, unwanted advances, and even unwanted glances. Have clubs, women only restaurants, bars, etc. Movie theatre’s could have women only screenings of movies.”

“In the office, progressive companies *should* be offering women-only office spaces (floors, or walled off areas). Keep the men out of there. Women may be much more productive if they don’t have to be concerned with men about.”
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Sounds reasonable….

I will assume you will be cool promoting, not just “similar”, but the exact same “male only” environments, for all situations suggested?

Especially the second paragraph?

#243 Doug in London on 01.29.18 at 2:03 pm

So, if you’re in charge of hiring and don’t want to hire “men” (who are actually more like early teenage or preteen boys in an adult body) who may commit unwanted sexual advances to women what do you do? Simple solution, hire more gay men!

#244 Guy in Calgary on 01.29.18 at 2:06 pm

There has to be a trial and guilt has to be proven. Gomeshi’s career was destroyed and when it went to court, it turned out the women were lying and conspiring together. Unfortunately in this day and age, it no longer matters. A tweet is all it takes.

Making allegations on “assaults” that happened 10-20 years ago is absolutely ridiculous. I am all for women and these changes are absolutely necessary. Let us not forget about the men who are:
– statistically more likely to commit suicide
– they on average serve longer prison sentences for the same crimes
– despite domestic violence being 50/50 men are almost always the one’s to be arrested
– 90% of workplace deaths are male
– vast majority of prisoners are men
– Men falsely accused of rape can still have their names published and their lives ruined
– Men have virtually no parental/custodial rights
– The majority of homeless are men

I could go on but you get the point. This crap goes both ways.

#245 Ace Goodheart on 01.29.18 at 2:20 pm

Past # 220,

“There are already women only gyms, and that should be allowed to expand so women have places where they can be safe from physical concerns, unwanted advances, and even unwanted glances. Have clubs, women only restaurants, bars, etc. Movie theatre’s could have women only screenings of movies.”

“In the office, progressive companies *should* be offering women-only office spaces (floors, or walled off areas). Keep the men out of there. Women may be much more productive if they don’t have to be concerned with men about.”

And all the while I continue to work in an all female work environment, being male, spend mornings and evenings in a car full of females (except for me), and we all get along just fine. And I’m as heterosexual as Adam.

None of this is necessary. A little decency, common sense and respect for other human beings, and we are golden.

Or yes we could go back to the 1920s segregation of males and females, make a female person into a helpless child/adult in need of 24 hour protection, and do things like they’re done in under developed Muslim majority nations. Perhaps women should not be allowed in male company, at all? Too risky?

All this is is segregation folks. It will solve nothing. Put people in boxes based on gender and you have 1920. Women work in one office, men in the other. How do you think sexual discrimination started? When you have all female and all male workplaces, and total segregation of the sexes, it is easy. Women who “cross the line” are labelled as “dirty” and “sluts” and the like. Men have total power over their male only work environments, and women become child/adults, who are “protected” “for their own good” and not allowed to participate in Society.

This is 1920 folks. That is all this is. Back to the “good old days” of Archie Bunker and a woman’s place in the home.

Sheesh!

#246 IHCTD9 on 01.29.18 at 2:27 pm

#238 Pre-retiree on 01.29.18 at 1:34 pm

No woman I know has not been subjected to abuse of power from a man in their lifetime, me included.
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Me neither, and I’m a Man. I’ve worked for some of the biggest @ssholes you’ve ever met. Threats, rage, flying objects, you name it, I had it done. I overcame all of it eventually. Now that I’m a mini-boss, I know how not to act. No biggie (to me).

I think Men and Women just think differently about some things:

I worked in a plant when I was 18 that was 95% Women 30-40 years old. I’ve never had my @ss slapped, pinched, grabbed, etc.. so much in my life. It was quite the culture in there. I didn’t care a bit. I look back (usually with a smile), and can’t believe I worked with all those horny Women. All the other young guys I worked with got a kick out of these “boldly flirtatious” older Women also. I’ll stop there, but there is more.

Maybe I’m a freak, but none of that stuff ever got under my skin, or affected my work/home life.

#247 A J on 01.29.18 at 2:38 pm

#220 PastThePeak

I’m sorry, but that’s absurd. I work with mostly men, and I never once felt like for my own safety I needed to be separated from them. How about instead of punishing women for bad behaviour, and hiding them away, men just treat them with respect & dignity and then, voila, no problems. What you are suggesting sounds the prelude to The Handmaid’s Tale.

#248 Smoking Man on 01.29.18 at 2:38 pm

McCabe toast.forced out of FBI.

House Committee Expected To Vote ‘Yes’ To #ReleaseTheMemo This Afternoon, Report.

Doug Ford running pc leadership.

Great day for deplorables.

#249 For those about to flop... on 01.29.18 at 2:51 pm

Maybe any women out there that is garnering unwanted attention should do what this lady did.

Just let it go.

Mepoo…

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/677855/harassment-at-work-revenge-on-colleagues-reddit

#250 Guy in Calgary on 01.29.18 at 3:04 pm

“We need to prevent the next generation of women from being sexually harassed and having to worry – constantly – about their safety. Even if a few good men happen to be taken down with the worst men, so be it. It’s for the greater good.”

This is a very sad conclusion to come to. What if that “good man” was someone you love? Someone that a contributor to this blog loves? Persecuting innocent people is never, ever for the greater good.

Men suffer too. That is why they are 5x more likely to commit suicide. Have no custodial rights the majority of the time. They suffer domestic abuse but they are the one’s that get arrested. We are told to” suck it up” or “toughen up” Women marry old men for their money. The list goes on.

I hope you change your frightening point of view, never appear on a jury and lose your right to vote.

#251 A J on 01.29.18 at 3:05 pm

I love when men minimize the struggles of women by quoting completely unrelated “stats” about the struggles of men. Everyone goes through struggles. That’s an obvious fact living on this planet. But why must women’s struggles constantly be beaten down and minimized. Here’s a stat for you…. “1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted). About 3% of American men—or 1 in 33—have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime.” Yes, men are raped. But more women are than men. That is a fact. Distractions about how more men are homeless or commit suicide doesn’t effectively help the situation at hand. Men go through horrible things. Why must you also downplay our pain? And pretend it doesn’t exist?

#252 Victoria - the original on 01.29.18 at 3:10 pm

Had to have a talk with my two boys …. obviously my kids were brought up to have respect and no means no etc. I am now telling them watch your back, keep every single message, keep the door open etc. Etc. I was in STarbucks the other day and overheard two 20 something girls talking about getting back at a guy because he dumped her. One said say he tried to rape you that will get him. The other one said I will good idea. Boys have to watch it. Their two sisters said the same thing to them. My husband always leaves the door open when a woman is in his office.

#253 Bytor the Snow Dog on 01.29.18 at 3:21 pm

Ace Goodheart sez:

“Or yes we could go back to the 1920s segregation of males and females, make a female person into a helpless child/adult in need of 24 hour protection, and do things like they’re done in under developed Muslim majority nations. Perhaps women should not be allowed in male company, at all? Too risky?”

Have you seen some of the hysterically alarmist posts in this thread? Apparently the SJW’s posting here want the same thing.

Are women equal, or not?

#254 Mike on 01.29.18 at 3:29 pm

I’m in no way saying what these men have done is ok but we are a product of our surroundings. We are fed sex through the media, music, TV and movies. It’s in advertising and anything else we can put it in to sell something to the masses, and why? Because people love sex. We are being conditioned now from a young age that sex is good, that’s it’s ok that little billy wants to be Cindy, people love watching programs with lots of cheating, affairs, gossip and nudity. What did we expect in the end? I for one was addicted to pornography from a young age and have since 4 years ago dropped it cold turkey. I couldn’t get enough sex and loved the trash on TV. I was a product of what I was watching and who fed it to us? Let’s call them “them”. It’s them who are responsible for what is happening. 90% of shows on TV today would have been too much for TV just 30 years ago.

So what happend? They found out how powerful sex is so the shoved it down our throats in every way possible. Little by little over time broken barriers of TV and for some reason we are supposed to be appalled or shocked about all these allegations coming to light over the past several months. I wish hollywood would burn to the ground and the TV was never invented. It has destroyed lives and is nothing but poison to our souls.

#255 BlackDog on 01.29.18 at 3:31 pm

@GuyInCalgary #250 re: “There has to be a trial and guilt has to be proven. Gomeshi’s career was destroyed and when it went to court, it turned out the women were lying and conspiring together. ”

Just to be clear. Sometimes guilty people are not found guilty in a court of law. It would be nice if the courts always got it right, but everyone knows that is impossible. Gomeshi may well have been guilty despite the court ruling. The women may have been conspiring together, but that doesn’t mean that they were not assaulted. If you do any research into the case and the background of Gomeshi, with an open mind, what you may surmise for yourself is that a guilty person possibly got away with his crimes. Remember OJ Simpson? He was also found not guilty.

#256 PastThePeak on 01.29.18 at 3:35 pm

#242 Blacksheep on 01.29.18 at 1:42 pm
Past # 220,

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Sounds reasonable….

I will assume you will be cool promoting, not just “similar”, but the exact same “male only” environments, for all situations suggested?

Especially the second paragraph?
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If you read my post again, you will see I said EXACTLY that. Jump to conclusions much?

#257 Stan Brooks on 01.29.18 at 3:46 pm

#232 Renter’s Revenge! on 01.29.18 at 1:09 pm
#207 IHCTD9 on 01.29.18 at 9:49 am
#197 Amy on 01.29.18 at 8:24 am

Even if a few good men happen to be taken down with the worst men, so be it. It’s for the greater good.
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Please leave the country immediately.

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Seconded.

There’s just something incredibly disturbing about that way of thinking. Tribalism at it’s worst.

Change the wording to, “Even if a few good [women] happen to be taken down with the worst [women], so be it. It’s for the greater good,” and see how she still feels about it.

I hope we’re only being trolled here.

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That is a paid liberal/NGO troll.
Normal woman can not write that.

Such people should be in jail for discrimination and hatred.

Not in T2’s Canada.

#258 Johnnyboy on 01.29.18 at 3:50 pm

#28 Smoking Man . on 01.28.18 at 1:50 pm

#27 Smoking Man on 01.28.18 at 1:40 pm
Trump’s new head of EPA says man made climate change, it’s all bull shit. Ahhhhh he’s so right..

The loons are going to go bat shit crazy now.. popcorn and beer, what amazing entertainment we are about to witness.
………

The above post was a smoking man imposter if no link to my Twitter feed means it’s fake.

I do 100% agree with what he said. Ill be posting some great pics from the beach on it later.
Beach yoga what could go wrong.
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Smoking Man beach Yoga,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ewwwwwww Just imagining you on the beach, wrinkly toothless hairless (where it counts) old weathered looking douche bag picking up beer cans whilst preforming the downward dog. again eeeewwwwww,

#259 jess on 01.29.18 at 3:54 pm

“The solution is simple.

Legalize prostitution.”…
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…”It is a sad commentary on the state of the global economy at the end of the twentieth century that human beings are being traded as quickly as commodities, stocks and bonds without adequate legal and humanitarian protection. This phenomenon could easily be referred to as “the commodification of persons”.

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates that perhaps 3,000 Russian mobsters control gangs in American cities that involve the forced prostitution of more than 8,000 women, many of whom are of Slavic origin. As German investigator Leo Keidel puts it: “Human trafficking is, without a doubt, a major branch of organized crime..”…
The population that is hardest hit by unemployment and poverty is women and the children they support. These bleak labor trends have flowed nicely into the hands and coffers of criminal organizations seeking to exploit the largely chaotic situation by luring desperate, jobless women and their children — in many cases unknowingly — into forced prostitution, sweatshop labor, and domestic servitude.

In the wake of globalization and weakening of the state, criminal organizations have assumed the roles that the state previously played and, as Louise Shelley points out, have asserted their own form of authoritarianism.

https://coalitionagainsttrafficking.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/the-russian-mob-and-transnational-human-trafficking/

Virtual Mafia States’ Russian Mafia an International Concern for US Diplomats

Leaked embassy cables show US diplomats are concerned about the growing power of Russian organized crime and believe it has contacts with the highest levels of government in Moscow.
The “public declarations by senior Spanish officials” in mid-2008 that they had successfully investigated and “decapitated” the Russian mafia in Spain were little more than “optimistic statements made in a moment of euphoria that did not reflect the current reality,” an embassy report dated October 2009 read.

A Spanish national court prosecutor responsible for dealing with corruption and organized crime shared his views with the US ambassador in January 2010 after spending several years investigating the Russian mafia, and his conclusion sounds devastating. The investigator complained that it is bad enough that the “Eurasian mafia” retains the “best attorneys and law firms” in Spain. Even worse, though, he complained, is how deeply entangled the governments of Russia, Belarus and Chechnya are in organized crime. They are “virtual ‘mafia states’,” the cable states. And Ukraine is on its way to becoming one, it says.

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63A in Trump Tower in New York. The FBI investigation led to a federal grand jury indictment of more than 30 people, including one of the world’s most notorious Russian mafia bosses, Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov. Known as the “Little Taiwanese,” he was the only target to slip away, and he remains a fugitive from American justice.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story?id=46266198

#260 YVRMC on 01.29.18 at 3:58 pm

Re #197Amy ….. wow do you need a reality check …

#261 tough times to be a..... on 01.29.18 at 4:10 pm

man in N America. Or rather challenging times. In Canada, you can stay on the sidelines. According to our govt gender is not binary…its a spectrum

‘hi my name is Rick. I can be addressed as he,him, or his. And what about yourself?’

gotta love the evolution of Canada

#262 Stan Brooks on 01.29.18 at 4:10 pm

#260 YVRMC on 01.29.18 at 3:58 pm
Re #197Amy ….. wow do you need a reality check …

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A psychiatrist more likely.
You know, sexual frustration is the base of all evil.

#263 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 4:14 pm

“We are fed sex through the media, music, TV and movies. It’s in advertising and anything else we can put it in to sell something to the masses, and why? Because people love sex.”…absolutley bang on. And then there is the wonderful Net that gives 24/7 free access to all rhe porn anyone might want right to a wireless device annonymously anywhere. Is it any wonder that anyone with low self control could start to believe the porn and think they can get away with any crazy behavior just because they can watch right at work without anyone knowing. Constant stimulus always leads to problems with controlling urges.

#264 The Wet One on 01.29.18 at 4:21 pm

With respect to your former colleagues who have been summarily turfed out upon allegations of past wrongdoing, you are correct that this is perhaps not the best way to handle things.

That being said, these problems have been known for years and years and nothing has been done. No mechanism to deal with such allegations, no serious attempt to change the culture, nothing else of any value was done.

The result as is often the case where a system is set up whereby justice and recourse are denied to those who have been wrong, is just what we see here (though this is pretty mild as compared to revolutions that have occurred in the past. No one will lose their actual head over this. Many will lose careers and reputations.).

Consider, for example, the Olympic medical doctor who will now die in prison. Someone complained of his sexual wrongdoings 20 years ago. No one listened. Not the police, not the school, not the Olympic organization. No one. Meanwhile, said doctor went to sexually abuse at least 100 plus more girls.

WTF?!?!

It’s the same thing with respect to sexual assaults (10’s of thousands of rape kits are untested in the U.S. Is that a sign of taking rape seriously? Does that sound like anyone cares? Could you image 10’s of thousands of cases bank robberies languishing without looking at the evidence? I can’t. Maybe it happens though.). 25% of sexual assault complaints are dismissed out of hand by police in Canada. Hardly any complaints actually make it to prosecution and the odds of conviction are relatively low.

That’s the sign of a serious problem in resolving issue in a just and satisfactory way.

And this is long before we get to sexual harassment in the office, which isn’t necessarily a criminal offence of any kind, but just one more indignity that half the population has to put up with for years and decades, without being heard.

It’s time for this kind of crap to end in my view. There will be casualties. Time to think up a better way forward and a means to redress these concerns because what we have now and in the recent past (i.e. 6 months ago), did not work, does not work and is unacceptable.

And I’m a man saying that. A man who has at least one skeleton in my closet that might come back to bite me one day.

Enough is enough.

I suppose there is an alternative though. Women could just shoot their harassers and assailants dead in the streets. Having your career go up in smoke seems a bit less harsh. Luckily for men, women aren’t men. What women put up with would have gotten some of my co-workers severely beaten or otherwise straightened out.

#265 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 4:29 pm


Both contributed $50,000 over a period of years starting at age 30 (it was 1983). Their marginal tax rates averaged 30%. Now, in 2018 the two RRSPs have grown to $200,000.

They are both told that on withdrawals they will face a 33% marginal tax rate, a bit higher than when they contributed because both have modest defined benefit pension plans or other incomes such that the marginal tax rate went up.”…you really have a problem with reality examples don’t. Frank and Joe have an incredibly serious problem you totally fail to account for and makes this example mind bogglingly impossibel

Frank and Joe had a 30% marginal in 1983 and 33% marginal in 2018, 35 years later? These will be the first people in Canada to have ever fallen 3 full marginal rate bands in 35 years and still never touched their RRSP deposits.

Or are you just talking about minimum withholding tax that actually isn’t 33% on that amount of withdrawal anyway and the source withholding tax is going to be totally supplanted by their individual marginal rate when they complete their taxes.

Again, made up arithmetic without any resemblance to real life, just to push a flawed agenda. By now I really thought you would have caught on and used reality based examples.

Oh bother…

#266 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 4:33 pm

And.. imreally feel bad for Frank and Joe, they have 400% growth in 35 years. What did they use to deposit into to end up with 400% in 35 years????
Lif you want some remedial math tutoring, I charge $125/hr plus HST.

#267 Guy in Calgary on 01.29.18 at 4:45 pm

#255 BlackDog

So what do you propose? Sometimes innocent people are found guilty as well. I am familiar with the case and the allegations. The Court is not perfect there is no doubt about that. Agree 110%. BUT it is the best we have. When we talk about serious allegations like those that are being made, I’d rather take the innocent until proven guilty approach as it prevents innocent lives from being ruined. This vigilante twitter justice solves nothing.

#251 A J on 01.29.18 at 3:05 pm
No one is minimizing the struggles of women. I have stated that I support the movement multiple times. It does not change the fact that both genders face adversity. Both genders tweet #metoo. It is not a contest as to what gender is more of a victim because there are no winners there.

Calling the stats that show issues men face “irrelevant” is simply ignorant, hateful and downright evil. You are turning this into a contest of who can be the biggest victim.

True feminism is the equality of both genders.

#268 Blacksheep on 01.29.18 at 5:03 pm

Past # 256,

“If you read my post again, you will see I said EXACTLY that. Jump to conclusions much?”
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Do these two paragraphs, cover the same topics?

This is exactly what you said about woman, relative to working:

1) “In the office, progressive companies *should* be offering women-only office spaces (floors, or walled off areas). Keep the men out of there. Women may be much more productive if they don’t have to be concerned with men about.”

This is exactly what you said about men, relative to working.

2) “In fairness, men should be able to have similar freedoms.”

“At the very least”

“have their men’s only clubs & sports facilities, where they do not have to worry about offending women, and possibly ruining their own lives. And these facilities should be all male, including staff, so there are no shenanigans like what we read about in the UK this past week.”
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I asked a simple question: “I will assume you will be cool promoting, not just “similar”, but the exact same “male only” environments, for all situations suggested?

“Especially the second paragraph?” (#2)
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The correct answer would have been, ‘Yes, of course.’

Work is something almost everyone has to do. Woman are not more special than men. No conclusions where jumped to as I read your biased comment, quite thoroughly.

#269 LivinLarge on 01.29.18 at 5:12 pm

Now let’s inject a bit of reality for Frank and Joe. If they live in Ontario and in 1983 had a combines marginal rate of 30% they were in the second to top combined provincial/federal marginal rate band so they were doing extraordinarilly well for themselves.

So, if they did nothing but remain in the same exact jobs and received no merit raises and only inflationary salary raises (unlikely but sure hypothetically possible if their parents owned the businesses) they would now be in the 46.41% to 47.97% combine marginal band. Actually likely the next band up since marginal bands weren’t indexed until year 2000 and they would have bumped up an additional band (likely but not guaranteed) due to margin creep caused by non indexing of marginal bands until 2000. So, Frank and Joe are truly screwed.

Still, that minimum source deduction on RRSP withdrawals of 33% you allude to is on on the first $3,000 withdrawl and as I mentioned a few posts ago, their real marginal rate will come into play when they complete they 2018 returns.

All in all, using your parameters, Frank and Joe went from wonderful income in 1983 to living just above minimum wage in 2018…do you want to stick with that presumption???

#270 PastThePeak on 01.29.18 at 5:20 pm

#247 A J on 01.29.18 at 2:38 pm

I’m sorry, but that’s absurd. I work with mostly men, and I never once felt like for my own safety I needed to be separated from them. How about instead of punishing women for bad behaviour, and hiding them away, men just treat them with respect & dignity and then, voila, no problems. What you are suggesting sounds the prelude to The Handmaid’s Tale.
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I am suggesting nothing of the sort. I have read plenty around the subject, and many women appear to be asking for some level of (again, completely voluntary) separating from men in areas such as public transport, clubs, and work areas. For those women who are against such ideas – don’t go there. Same for men & their respective areas.

Let the free market decide – freedom of choice – people make choices they want, not what YOU want them to do. If the ideas are absurd, then no one will go to their “same sex” establishments. And how is this “punishing women”?

I have worked alongside women in some capacity my whole career, and I haven’t seen many issues myself. But if that makes either side feel safer, then go for it.

#271 MF on 01.29.18 at 5:29 pm

#215 shortymac on 01.29.18 at 10:59 am

I think you are right, but you missed the point.

What if you do all that and still get “accused” of something for political gain?

This is not just about unwanted advances, it’s about people’s lives being destroyed before anything is proved.

MF

#272 MF on 01.29.18 at 5:32 pm

#254 Mike on 01.29.18 at 3:29 pm

Hollywood and porn producers are businesses. They cater to the market in order to make money. That’s their goal.

If you don’t like the product, you don’t buy it. I wouldn’t blame them for people’s addictions. That’s their fault. We have choice as human beings.

MF

#273 A J on 01.29.18 at 5:36 pm

#267 Guy in Calgary

Don’t twist my words. I’m saying the exact opposite. That YOU shouldn’t make it into a contest. That was the whole point of my post.

#274 A J on 01.29.18 at 5:36 pm

#264 The Wet One

Finally, someone who gets it. Thank you!

#275 Bytor the Snow Dog on 01.29.18 at 6:22 pm

@AJ and Wet One-

Yes, of course, there’s an imaginary boogie man lurking around every corner!

Grow up. And seek help for your unhealthy paranoia.

#276 Guy in Calgary on 01.29.18 at 6:47 pm

#274 A J

” love when men minimize the struggles of women by quoting completely unrelated “stats” about the struggles of men. Everyone goes through struggles. That’s an obvious fact living on this planet. But why must women’s struggles constantly be beaten down and minimized.”

“Why must you also downplay our pain? And pretend it doesn’t exist?”

Who is pretending it doesn’t exist? Not making this a contest. Both genders face struggles that get “beaten down” and swept under the rug. Both face struggles that go ignored or that where the individual faces immense pressure to keep quiet. Maybe you haven’t dealt with it first hand. If you do not agree then I agree to disagree.

Your quote: “Everyone goes through struggles. That’s an obvious fact living on this planet. “

#277 A J on 01.29.18 at 7:42 pm

#275 Bytor the Snow Dog

Lol huh? No idea what you’re talking about. Did you miss my post where I said 1 in 6 American women is sexually assaulted in their lifetime? That’s a fact. What delusional world are you living in? You’re the one who needs to grow up.

My gosh.