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Poll results will be published today at 4 pm ET

This is no political blog, preferring to concentrate on babes, bikes and balanced portfolios. Plus dogs. Nonetheless, public policy affects the economy, your family and your wealth. This stuff is far too consequential to be left only to the guys running for office.

Thus, I’ve strayed over the line in the past couple of weeks, striving to present another perspective on the eat-the-rich, anti-corporate, tax-and-spend memes of this unfortunate campaign. It seems clear change is upon us. The Conservative leader probably erred in deciding to hang on for yet a few more years. Not cool. But his opponents have resorted to us-and-them politics to win, while presenting wholly unrealistic platforms. Too bad.

Given our propensity to vote against things instead of for them, it’s worthwhile to know every leader has warts. There aren’t enough rich people to milk, for example. Overtaxed corps will just move. Deficits turn into never-repaid debts. And you can’t build an economy out of condos. Having said that, the current guys have made serious mistakes and may not deserve a new mandate. But there’s no white knight. And most people will vote, as usual, out of emotion, scant perception and naked self-interest.

Here at GreaterFool, the nation’s most influential pathetic® blog, it’s time to test the waters. Has the comment section been flooded by Dipper operatives, Lib agents provocateurs or Con trolls? How do most of the people who come here (unlike the weirdos who actually leave a comment) see the issues? What party are you leaning towards four weeks before e-day?

Let’s find out. Vote below.


 

VOTING ENDED THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24, 2015, AT 3:15 pm ET. THE POLL QUESTIONNNAIRE IS CLOSED. Poll results are published here.

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VOTING ENDED THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 24, 2015, AT 3:15 pm ET. THE POLL QUESTIONNNAIRE IS CLOSED. Poll results are published here.
 

388 comments ↓

#1 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 10:28 am

Done.

There are no heroes, but there’s no way we should give the reins back to the party that’s a proven failure.

#2 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 10:37 am

This is how I voted.

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election
NO

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
NO

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
NO

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
NO

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
NO

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES -With every fiber of my Being might I add

You intend to vote for –
The NeoCons

#3 Paul on 09.23.15 at 10:44 am

No one said Harper was a failure when we dodged the the recession that crippled the States. I hope all of the haters here remember where they stood when the Liberals get hold of the Canadian credit card or God forbid the N.D.P.

#4 Tim on 09.23.15 at 10:46 am

Amazing how you reduce everything about the election to a few economic issues. I guess people like you are why this undemocratc autocrat has been in n power supply long.

Is this a social justice blog? Duh. — Garth

#5 Tim on 09.23.15 at 10:48 am

Re #1 Bytor
You mean the guy who is currently in power. Notice I didn’t mention “leader”

#6 Joe Schmoe on 09.23.15 at 10:48 am

Great idea Garth!

Fools and their money will soon part.

#7 Alex Greene on 09.23.15 at 10:48 am

Speaking of “con trolls”… Harper government was caught a couple of years ago hiring PR firm to troll social media and public discussion forums. I don’t know about you, but it irks me a bit seeing taxpayers’ money wasted on spreading their propaganda.

See CTV report at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVUYGcgtjw

#8 JSS on 09.23.15 at 10:48 am

Can I vote twice?

#9 Elections are Pointless on 09.23.15 at 10:49 am

My riding is 70% NDP, so what does it matter how I vote? WTB proportional rep.

#10 Greg Soprovich on 09.23.15 at 10:51 am

Hey Garth

I’m disappointed in your poll. I didn’t see Rhino in the party list … Seems to me their platform is as realistic as the three main parties .

Greg S

#11 Corban on 09.23.15 at 10:52 am

My dad was PC from way back (I got to meet the meet the Mulroneys at one of the St Germaine BBQs) and is still a delegate for his riding association. After last year’s party convention in Calgary, he figured Harper was done.

I’m a fiscal conservative, and a social liberal. There is nothing fiscally conservative about the Cons, so I won’t be voting that way this time around. NDP scares me after having lived through that nightmare in BC, and I’m not a fan of Trudeau. If he was more like the Paul martin liberals, i’d have my answer, but i’m unsure this go around.

#12 oct19isntsoonenough on 09.23.15 at 10:52 am

“Overtaxed corps will just move”

Frequently cited, rarely observed. Fear mongering.

“If you raise the minimum wage at all every Mom and Pop store will close forever; doom!”

Tiresome. We’ve done the right-wing thing for years. It’s no utopia. Not trying something different means we’ve given up hope that we can improve.

Rational people want change. That’s why most every campaign promises it.
Zealots want blind adherence to doctrine. That’s why PC party this time is running on more of the same.

#13 LH on 09.23.15 at 10:53 am

Four more years!

LH

#14 conan on 09.23.15 at 10:55 am

It would be interesting to see the reasons for those that voted for hate SH.

How many times can we vote Garth? Do I need to show proper ID?

There is a background blocker that captures IP addresses to prevent multiple votes from the same network address. Thus multiple votes will not be tabulated. Grow up. — Garth

#15 GregW on 09.23.15 at 10:57 am

Hi Garth,

re: ‘You intend to vote for’,
Only four choices, not an ‘other’ option?
(Granted my intent is one of the four options you’ve given.)

It’ll be interested in seeing your poll’s results!

#16 LH on 09.23.15 at 10:58 am

Canada has been mildly successful on pulling an Ireland on the USA. Think Tim Hortons – Burger King reverse takeover. Or the biggest success of them all, Quebec headquartered Valeant. These tax dollars are not going to stay if the reds get their way. Laffer Curve folks. And good Ole fashioned lefty logic.

#17 Kozman on 09.23.15 at 11:16 am

First time poster here in ~a year.

just want to say that I am SHOCKED ‘Smoking man’ and I voted the exact same.
Even with the final clarification comment on Harper.

looks like I might have to go out and buy my first pack of smokes….

#18 john on 09.23.15 at 11:27 am

@#15 Would have liked a voting choice of ‘other’ as my riding does have an independent running (which I will most likely vote for).

#19 Tim p on 09.23.15 at 11:28 am

Isn’t it odd that the environment is not an issue. No candidate (except Ms May) mentions it. Without an intact healthy environment we have NO economy. Joe Oliver stated that the current environmental problems will be left by this C government for Stephen Harpers grand children to address!!(that includes my grand children and everyone else’s). Come on, you rich boomers, isn’t about time to vote for something meaningful rather that just protecting ALL your $money?
And whats wrong with paying taxes? Those funds provide Canadians with a host of services and programs that make our society more stable and fair.
Voters in the upcoming federal election have a stark choice–an American-style gov’t bent on irrevocably altering our country by radically reducing the role of gov’t, or a robust, historically Canadian-style gov’t that uses the tax structure to benefit ALL Canadians.

#20 Peter Belcarra on 09.23.15 at 11:28 am

If God wanted us to vote, he would have
given us candidates.
~Jay Leno~

The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
~Henry Cate, VII~
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to
public office.
~Aesop~

If we got one-tenth of what was promised to us in these
State of the Union speeches, there wouldn’t be any
inducement to go to heaven.
~Will Rogers~

Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a
bridge even where there is no river.
~Nikita Khrushchev~

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become
President; I’m beginning to believe it.
~Clarence Darrow~

Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into
politics and your opponents will do it for you.
~Author unknown~

Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end
of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel.
~John Quinton~

Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor
and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to
protect each from the other.
~Oscar Ameringer~

I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling
lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them.
~Adlai Stevenson, campaign speech, 1952~

A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his
country.
~ Tex Guinan~

I have come to the conclusion that politics is too serious a
matter to be left to the politicians.
~Charles de Gaulle~

Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it
might be better to change the locks.
~Doug Larson~

There ought to be one day — just one — when there is open
season on Congressmen.
~Will Rogers~

#21 Retired Boomer - WI on 09.23.15 at 11:28 am

Lessons from the past….

You do NOT ‘grow’ an economy (or your personal wealth)
by increasing taxes. -ANY INCOME TAXES-

You do balance budgets, reduce debts & deficits, when you decide to ‘spend less’ than the ‘revenue received’

That seemingly quaint idea applies to governments as well as your finances….

Governments were never designed to do everything.

I would love to see a party of “NO” on the ballot. As in NO new spending initiatives, NO new tax initiatives, but a good look and re-think of where current tax revenue is allocated. Is it rational? Is it most effectively spent?

I’m speaking only of a Federal level, not provincial as every province has their own taxing authorities, and priorities, and taxation.

It will be interesting to see the results that transpire here.

#22 TomC on 09.23.15 at 11:30 am

Hey Garth,

Any chance you can amend the “Who are you going to vote for?” question to include “No one” or at least “None of the above”?

Nope. Because that is not a valid democratic option. — Garth

#23 Alberta Oil on 09.23.15 at 11:39 am

Well with my name it’s not hard to figure out who I voted for. No matter who gets in I just want everyone to be working and feeding their families. Should be an interesting one.

#24 Tim on 09.23.15 at 11:47 am

Re #3 Paul
The reason Canada did well during the last economic crises was because the Liberals left Harper with a surplus, which he blew, and because of the stability of Canadian banks and record oil prices– not because of his policies.

#25 Debt's Dark Embrace on 09.23.15 at 11:49 am

There is no one to vote for so I am not voting.

You just lost the right to comment. — Garth

#26 Tim on 09.23.15 at 11:52 am

This may help you decide:
http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/
A very brief summary of Harper’s abuses of power– wait, who cares! We want that extra 5 k in TFSA

#27 Josh in Calgary on 09.23.15 at 11:52 am

When in doubt about which party to vote for focus on the candidates in your riding. At least fill Parliament with good MPs rather than a bunch of under qualified yes-men/women.

#28 CHERRY BLOSSOM on 09.23.15 at 11:57 am

Green Party will publish on the web every cent the govenment spends. Eli May believes we should refine our oil here in Canada creating jobs and then transporting clean oil through the pipelines.

She is smart, has common sense, has authenticity, and foresight and is heartfelt. So there is an alternative. We are in for a Depression just at the time we are importing inflation via the US$ Bad combination.

#29 DisgustMadeMePost on 09.23.15 at 12:05 pm

Thanks for that Garth… even if I wish there were more questions listed.

I have on more than one front law noticed two party signs. One orange and one red.

Does it mean folks are ok with a coalition of these two parties……

or that there’s a “mortgage helper”??

#30 Gregor Samsa on 09.23.15 at 12:06 pm

Why are people so fixated on the leaders? Stephen Harper may be competent (in a Machiavellian way), but his MP candidates are downright scary. Joe Oliver as finance minister? Give me a break. How can anyone with an “economic mind” seriously want someone like that running the country’s finances?

Meanwhile, even if you accept that Trudeau “isn’t ready” (mostly overly-impressionable folks who watch too much TV will think this), his slate of candidates are better educated, more accomplished, and frankly more intelligent than those of any other party. They will certainly run a smarter government.

Harper’s merry band of trained seals will give us more bad government. Bad government is incredibly expensive, and in the long run, will cost Canadians dearly. A vote for Harper is a vote for bad government.

I will be voting Liberal this election. A Liberal minority government will run the country competently while the conservatives can purge the Harper-ness out of their party. It will also likely leave us with some sort of proportional representation, which will be a huge step forward for our democracy.

For someone who talks so much about looking at the “bigger picture,” I give Garth Turner a big F for failing to do so when it comes to this election. Instead, he is focusing on a single issue (taxes) and ignoring everything else.

#31 GeorgeSoonToBeRetired on 09.23.15 at 12:09 pm

Garth, for the sake of accuracy, please change this question:

“Do you hate Stephen Harper?”

….to…..

Do you hate Stephen Harper, yet still feel a strange erotic attraction to his coiffure?

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P.S. On voting preference, I bet there are a lot right now who know it will be Lib or NDP, but not sure which one at this point.

#32 tkid on 09.23.15 at 12:09 pm

Smoking man and I voted identically.

I bet an even hundred there are a bunch of behind-the-scenes folks from every party just itching to get their hands on the results, and if they could, tweak the questions just a bit.

The results will be published tomorrow. — Garth

#33 S.Bby on 09.23.15 at 12:21 pm

I tried to vote here but got an error saying only one submission per user. But this was my first vote.

#34 cmj on 09.23.15 at 12:21 pm

We cannot afford apathy in this election. Deciding not to vote is not a solution. We need to get good MP candidates in our communities and press them for the changes we want to see happen. Get involved! There is not a perfect leader in either of the 3 parties yet apathy is not the answer

#35 S.Bby on 09.23.15 at 12:25 pm

“There is a background blocker that captures IP addresses”.
Perhaps someone else in my office has already voted and the same IP address is used in our network.
I’ll vote from home later today.

#36 Kurt on 09.23.15 at 12:29 pm

“But his opponents have resorted to us-and-them politics to win, ”

Well, they’ve learned from the best, haven’t they!

Man, sometimes you crack me up.

#37 Toronto Centre on 09.23.15 at 12:35 pm

I am in a tough spot being Toronto Centre. The Conservatives have no chance here. This makes it a close race between Libs and NDP. Have to go with the lesser of 2 evils. So my data provided will make no sense.

#38 DisgustMadeMePost on 09.23.15 at 12:36 pm

“There is a background blocker that captures IP addresses”.
Perhaps someone else in my office has already voted and the same IP address is used in our network.
I’ll vote from home later today.

…………

Productive office… :)

#39 Sam the Sham on 09.23.15 at 12:39 pm

Your survey leaves the most important question:
“Do you believe bill C-51 should be repealed completely or are you happy with Canada being turned into a police state?”

That’s objective. — Garth

#40 Toronto_CA on 09.23.15 at 12:40 pm

Interested to see. I am betting the largest yes vote will be both yes to raising corporate taxes and yes to hating Stephen Harper.

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election
NO

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
NO

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
NO

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
YES

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
YES

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES

Voting – Liberal

#41 Bottoms_Up on 09.23.15 at 12:45 pm

Harper was no white knight in 2006 either. He won because people voted against the liberals. A decade of punishment; will be good to see that reversed in a short 4 weeks.

#42 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 12:48 pm

Interesting blog post today.

Since I have no party alegiance I guess that leaves me not changing.

No for the TSFA roll back

No for higher taxes on high income earners

Yes for higher corporate taxes even though this will hurt my bottom line, but like any and most corporations I can shuffle money to minimze tax

No on minimum wage increase to 15$ an hour

No I don’t hate Stephen Harper only because I choose not to use the word hate in my vocabulary. I dislike many of his policies and the fact that he is a complete lackey to the globalists.

At the end of it all, Mr. Harper will have to live with himself and accept the long term damage done to this country on his watch, only to satisfy his own personal short term gains. His hiers can live with his legacy and what will be his place in history.

The greed, corruption, and selfishness in politics these days makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t understand how these politico’s can knowingly, and repeatedly throw the populations they are elected to serve under the bus without conscience.

Seems semi-psychotic to me, but this is me.

Not them.

Stephen Harper, and all other elected leaders who have chased globalists dreams…

You have made your beds and can now lie in them

I hope it was worth it, for you will be forever remembered and can have your disrespected place in history

#43 Ben on 09.23.15 at 12:51 pm

Hmm…. tricky questions.

For example: “Do you agree corporate taxes be increased?”. The last few governments have regularly decreased taxes at the corporate level but these changes were entirely offset by decreases to the dividend tax credit. As a result – the overall integrated tax rate remained unchanged, only the timing of tax collection was modified. Therefore, the question is whether taxes should be collected at the corporate (earlier) or personal (later) earning stage?

Collecting the taxes later make sense if one believes that the corporation is likely to re-invest the money and thereby grow the economy. If one thinks that the company will just horde the cash without re-investing it, then earlier tax collection probably makes more sense.

In addition, since higher income earners tend to be the one’s that use the dividend tax credit (since they can max out both RRSP’s and TFSA’s and still invest in non-registered accounts), a decrease in corporate taxes tends to be accompanied by an increase in taxes to high-income earners which makes the question “Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?” somewhat related.

Of course, if one isn’t familiar with the tax system none of this fits nicely into a 15 second sound bite.

I don’t hate Harper. I don’t agree with him and many of his decisions or ways of going about things leaves me shaking my head in bewilderment.

-Entertaining blog though, keep it up.

#44 Toronto_CA on 09.23.15 at 12:51 pm

Also – Canada (both Federally and Provincially) has been cutting corporate income tax rates for the better part of a decade. It stands to reason that if relatively low Corporate tax rates motivated industry to move to Canada and hire people, we’d have seen a much better performance than we have in that time period.

Ever look at the effective tax rates for the big Banks that rake in billions in profits every quarter? It’s a required disclosure right up front in their quarterly disclosures.

Compare that to your own, and then weep a little. (Although, some over due changes are a’coming in Barbados.)

#45 Bottoms_Up on 09.23.15 at 12:52 pm

#19 Tim p on 09.23.15 at 11:28 am
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Actually both Mulcair and Trudeau discussed the environment during the last televised debate, and promoted their own carbon plans (cap and trade vs. taxing). Trudeau did a good job distinguishing the liberals plan from the ndp plan. Trudeau also mentioned investing in green energy.

#46 Winston Smith on 09.23.15 at 12:53 pm

Is this a social justice blog? Duh. — Garth

Yes, that’s why you censor comments about immigration. The only issue that matters (as being seen in Europe now)

I will not publish anti-Chinese or anti-immigrant comments. No social justice issue there. Just ignorance. — Garth

#47 Bottoms_Up on 09.23.15 at 12:57 pm

There is a background blocker that captures IP addresses to prevent multiple votes from the same network address. Thus multiple votes will not be tabulated. Grow up. — Garth
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No system is perfect. Someone could vote from work, then the library, then home, then from their cell.

I say you take off the IP block….abuse can happen anyway, and the IP block potentially prevents multiple people from the same household from voting…or same work site.

Imperfect, it may be. But having no filter against multiple voting would render the exercise pointless. Deal with it. — Garth

#48 Pete on 09.23.15 at 12:58 pm

This visceral hatred for Harper that seems so prevalent strikes me as being slightly unhinged. Sure, he is not a warm and cuddly type, he is ruthless (as though that is something new), you might well disagree with his policies, and certainly a healthy democracy requires a regular change in government. But this hatred? Come on.

I think the problem is basically that Canadians are used to a nanny state and Harper does not indulge this fantasy as much as too many of us would like. I am sure we are going to have dark mutterings about a “hidden agenda” emerging soon. BTW has the death penalty been reinstated, abortion criminalized etc. etc. all the things Liberals and NPD’ers warned us about so urgently? Of course not, we are not electing a dictator and there are limits to what any government can implement, in spite of what their personal views might be.

Mike Duffy? Give me a break. One greedy little man (or large man in this case), fiddling his expense account. How can any sane person compare this to the organized institutional theft of the Liberal sponsorship scandal?

Concentration of power in the PMO? We had exactly the same moaning under that vicious little bureaucrat, Chretien (btw talk about ruthless and vindictive, Harper is junior league compare to Chretien).

So vote against the Conservatives by all means if you want a change. But get a grip on the spewing of hatred….

#49 RW_Z on 09.23.15 at 1:12 pm

I’m a small-c conservative. But I can’t do it.

This blog wouldn’t even exist without Harper.

#50 Nagraj on 09.23.15 at 1:15 pm

Reading the UK papers has caused me to lose some (not all) interest in the Canadian election. Those people who think of Mulcair as a Socialist – consider British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn`s platform:

Nationalize the railroads (without compensation).
Nationalize the banks.
Institute a maximum wage.
Get rid of nuclear weapons in Britain.
Get rid of university tuition.
Ditch the Throne Speech foofaraw.
Etc.

Now THAT is a Socialist.

Corbyn was elected with a historic first ballot landslide. He has also pointed out that the number of his candidacy supporters exceeded the total number of card-carrying Cons in the UK.

(By the Corbyn standard Bernie Sanders aint no Socialist either.)

What I`m seeing – it seems to me – is MSM having failed to persuade – that the status quo IS the only acceptable option. IF that`s also the case here in Canada, Mulcair may very well come in with a majority.

Big C and little c conservatives MAY have to come to terms with the fact that neither the Pope nor the Queen nor The National nor Mary Poppins nor Jesus make a critical difference . . . the overriding issue is the rich is gittin too rich while the poor is gittin too poor.

#51 Sixtyfourk on 09.23.15 at 1:21 pm

I don’t really care for any of the candidates but I am making my choice based purely on the TSFA platforms.

The difference between $5,000 a year and $10,000 per year contribution room is going to be the difference between a very comfortable retirement and one that isn’t as comfortable.

Garth has posted a summary of the differences for a 40 something. You can calculate the difference for your specific circumstances by typing “investment calculator” into the Wolfram Alpha search box and filling out your details.

So, it appears, my vote can be bought. I’m not sure how I feel about that.

#52 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 09.23.15 at 1:22 pm

#48 Pete on 09.23.15 at 12:58 pm
Ditto

#53 yyc not retired on 09.23.15 at 1:24 pm

HANDS OFF MY TFSA

That’s the only reason I really am voting Conservative…

#54 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 09.23.15 at 1:26 pm

#46 Winston Smith on 09.23.15 at 12:53 pm

Is this a social justice blog? Duh. — Garth

Yes, that’s why you censor comments about immigration. The only issue that matters (as being seen in Europe now)

I will not publish anti-Chinese or anti-immigrant comments. No social justice issue there. Just ignorance. — Garth
____________________________________________
As I see it Garth the biggest immigration issue we presently have is those DAM NECTONITES! How the hell did they ever get into this country let alone this planet. Oh hell, tiny spaceships……………
Never Mind!

#55 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.23.15 at 1:28 pm

Smoking Man.
BTW what cigarettes are you Nectonites smoking?
I hope it’s the filterless lung buster Galois and not the Electronic ones.

#56 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 09.23.15 at 1:30 pm

Given the three dogs in the photo any one of them would make a fine Prime Minister, however I am throwing my vote to the Horseshoe Crab. They been around for about 450 million years. They must be stable?

#57 Russ on 09.23.15 at 1:32 pm

Apologies extended on the double post, below. But it was submitted as very late entry on yesterday’s blog post.
It seems more appropriate for today.
Why so early today Garth… Do you have to get the bike in for winter servicing?

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#124 Big Dipper on 09.22.15 at 11:07 pm

… The problem is the extremely short-sighted previous Con admins running the place into the ground by their total reliance for Provincial budgetary funding from oil and gas revenue. Lowest tax rate in the country and no PST, but no income buffer whatsoever

– and spending like drunken sailors

This is where Notley finds herselves. Being handed a bucked of excrement created by folks with the conservative mindset …
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I must take issue with this comment.

It perpetrates the myth of drunken sailors. We spend our own money, sometimes in turn, and not money we don’t have.

It doesn’t matter if we have Cons, Libs or Dippers. They always over-spend your money.
No party has the balls to take on the bureaucracy, the faceless civil servants who are building empires with your money because elected representatives have good ideas and say to these minions, “Make it so (by law).” And then do not provide proper oversight to the spending. The long gun registry just to name a few.

The bureaucracy sees revenue problems, not spending problems. And the MSM is willing to report it as such too.

In Nanaimo, according to a poll result I saw, had the NDP @ 39% and Greens @ 32%.
I will give the Greens a nod for two reasons: their expressed position of smaller government and for the strategic besting of NDP in this old bastion of NDP support.
I hope this election results in a minority government and with the Cons realizing that the only way they can achieve the next majority is to get a different leader.

If you’re gonna dream. Dream big!

#58 Pete on 09.23.15 at 1:36 pm

#22

Hey Garth,

Any chance you can amend the “Who are you going to vote for?” question to include “No one” or at least “None of the above”?

Nope. Because that is not a valid democratic option. — Garth
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NONE OF THE ABOVE?: What would not be democratic about the majority of people deciding to hold a parallel election, establish a parallel government and then disband the current governmental system.

I think that’s called “rebellion.” — Garth

#59 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 09.23.15 at 1:37 pm

WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO ALL PARTIES!
Will you be switching party allegiance in this election?
YES
NO
Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
YES
NO
Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
YES
NO
Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
YES
NO
Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
YES
NO
Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES
NO
You intend to vote for –
CONSERVATIVE
NDP
LIBERAL
GREEN
ANIMAL ALLIANCE ENVIRONMENT VOTERS PARTY OF CANADA
BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS
CANADA PARTY
CANADIAN ACTION PARTY
CHRISTIAN HERITAGE PARTY OF CANADA
COMMUNIST PARTY OF CANADA
DEMOCRATIC ADVANCEMENT PARTY OF CANADA
FORCES ET DÉMOCRATIE
LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF CANADA
MARIJUANA PARTY
MARXIST-LENINIST PARTY OF CANADA
PARTY FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, COMPETENCY AND TRANSPARENCY
PIRATE PARTY OF CANADA
PROGRESSIVE CANADIAN PARTY
RHINOCEROS PARTY
THE BRIDGE PARTY OF CANADA
UNITED PARTY OF CANADA
NECTONITE
DOG
HORSESHOE CRAB

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#61 hate harper, but voting for him on 09.23.15 at 1:39 pm

I voted Liberal all my life
I hated Harper for a long time on many issues

And like Garth said, you have to vote for something
and economy is my first priority
so I have to vote for balanced budgets and prudent tax policies.

The liberals are not the party I once knew.

What are you voting for? (not what you are voting against?)

#62 Snowboid on 09.23.15 at 1:41 pm

#11 Corban on 09.23.15 at 10:52 am…

I’m not voting NDP, but you are mistaken if you are inferring the economy was worse in BC under the NPD than the current government.

The net surplus for corporations increased more than double during the period 1991-2001 compared to the period 2001-2013. Almost all the other economic indicators were higher under the NDP.

Source: Statistics Canada, CANSIM table 384-0037, data released November 5, 2014.

#63 IHCTD9 on 09.23.15 at 1:43 pm

#12 oct19isntsoonenough on 09.23.15 at 10:52 am
“Overtaxed corps will just move”

Frequently cited, rarely observed. Fear mongering.
____________________________________________

Posters like the above will be the reason we all get the government he/she deserves.

With a few clicks of a mouse, or taps of a finger, oct19isntsoonenough could have learned that 300,000 jobs have left just a single province in the last decade or so. He may have read about the imminent death of a major, long time resident Steel Mill in Hamilton, or a major manufacturer of cars that may not be here in 2017, which is even now; is just a shell of its former self. He may have spent the time required to learn that up to 50,000 additional direct and indirect jobs would be lost from just these two closures alone.

Perhaps he would consider the BILLIONS in lost revenue to all three levels of his precious government, and think about how organized labour has been powerless to stem the tide, not to mention how much less significant Unions have become as their membership plummets.

But, nope – it’s all just fear mongering, never happens in fact. All those articles in the business section about manufactures packing up for the long drive south were just typing exercises for the un-paid interns.

Honestly folks, it doesn’t get any more stupid than this guy. Who cares about the facts, it’s the ideology that counts.

Good grief…

#64 Dieter RAMMSTEIN on 09.23.15 at 1:44 pm

Here is a POLL for you Garth.

The Conservatives will lose the election? YES NO

Mr. Harper will leave poitics? YES NO

Mr. Harper will go on to serve in some form for the David Suzuki Foundation.
YES NO

Mr. Harper will go on to serve in some form for a major Canadian oil corporation.
YES NO

#65 pinstripe on 09.23.15 at 1:48 pm

This topic was discussed at the coffee shop this morning.

Where I live, Harpo cooked his goose by him using the stump and blaming Rachel for the Big Mess in alberta.

I am in the later part of 80 years old. All my voting years have been in the Social Credit and then became a strong supoorter in the PC party, especially after Peter Lougheed set vision in alberta. Harpo policies forced me to ABC come this election. Harpo is determined to destroy democracy totally. There are some good mla’s in the party but they do not represent the people under harpo. Harpo must GO.

The political environment is ripe for harpo to join apprentice and smith at the winter retreat with prestone, sharing their model of a political disaster. These monkeys have forced many Canadians to lose ALL trust and confidence in the political system.

ABC

#66 Jean on 09.23.15 at 1:50 pm

3 Paul – that was a long time ago and harpers transgressions since then completely overwhelm any lucky break he may have had since then. Ancient history. What has Steve done for me lately?

And in the TFSA. Ugh where do I start? In the UK the comparable vehicle is called an ISA and the investment limit is £15000 per year. Yep, over 30k CDN. So to watch all the Canadians get completely exorcised over a piddling little 5k CDN is frustrating. Please people, this cannot be an election issue. Gareth posted a few days ago the gigantic size of this portfolio over a couple decades. Yes, the math works. But seriously when you see how all politicians of every party debate this one issue so strenuously, do you really think we are going to see this grow for decades without somebody stepping in and saying, ENOUGH. At which time there will be a limit on contributions, or total size. This vehicle is just begging to be tampered with. I assume the vast majority will never see million plus balances, because they just won’t be allowed.

#67 Deezy on 09.23.15 at 1:52 pm

Great idea GT! Interested in the results.

#68 DAVID L TINDAL on 09.23.15 at 1:53 pm

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY NO OPPOSITION LEADER HAS MENTIONED THE KPMG TAX SCANDAL AS REPORTED ON CBC SEPT 21. THIS IS POTENTALLY HUGE AND COULD SINK THE CONSERVATIVES SO LOW THAT WE WON’T BE ABLE TO FIND THEM WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS.

#69 Jean on 09.23.15 at 1:55 pm

Just to clarify, the ISA allowance cannot be carried forward from year to year. So maybe that is a solution to overly large contributions. A party could keep it at 10k but just not allow cumulative contributions. And in the UK there are many many ISA millionaires

#70 John W Foster on 09.23.15 at 2:01 pm

Garth, you need to add a bunch of Don’t Know / Other to those. We’ve got an “Other” running in Oakville-North.

#71 pinstripe on 09.23.15 at 2:04 pm

Where I live it is in the middle of a lot of mega corps linked with the O&G business.

What has happened over many years is that the industry has demonstrated that they are here to rape the natural resouces and use fear mongering to achieve that goal.

There is a Big Gap between what the Industry says in private and what they do in public, and that GAP is getting wider by the day.

corruption, bribes, sweeping things under the rug is the business practice. the alberta pc’s were keen on making rules, laws, bylaws, but never ever enforced them. All of this was not accepted by many Albertans and that is when “Enough is ENOUGH” took precedence.

The SYSTEM forced the people to become MAD.

#72 ROBOCALL ANNOUNCEMENT on 09.23.15 at 2:04 pm

Greetings to all Greater Fool Liberal, Green and NDP Supporters :)

Please note that the current posting is only a systems test.

****DO NOT VOTE HERE TODAY!!

****Viruses will be downloaded to your computer if you do!!!!

Instead, your voting opportunity will be Friday September 25, starting at 9 a.m. local time.

Please go at that time to your Ashley Madison log-in (we know you have one) and kindly respond there to Garth’s questions.

Thank your for your cooperation in making democracy happen for those who count most in Canada.

Michael S.

#73 NoName on 09.23.15 at 2:11 pm

agents provocateurs
or
Con trollsl

noun, dilemma
Situation requiring a choice between equally undesirable alternatives.

#74 Sasknonamous on 09.23.15 at 2:12 pm

Need an extra question: Do you believe any of these parties are even capable of delivering on their promises?

#75 Clarity Helps on 09.23.15 at 2:12 pm

You didn’t ask if anyone preferred Barack Obama..or Hillary? So many Canadian sycophants have been so led astray by social media hype…I’m surprised half the goof ball leftists even know what country they’re in when half what they talk about or consider as important either doesn’t originate in this country….or have anything to do with Canada. I constantly hear these barking seals shouting slogans that have no relevance in Canada. Garth…I think you might add a question….”Do you know what country you live in….or do you think American television is somehow relevant to Canada?”

#76 Seanne Wallace on 09.23.15 at 2:16 pm

Can we vote Vanecdotal off this blog??

#77 Perl on 09.23.15 at 2:18 pm

“Nope. Because that is not a valid democratic option. — Garth”

Lately I’m quickly loosing respect for you.

I’m choked. — Garth

#78 Millmech on 09.23.15 at 2:25 pm

Voting to keep TFSA limits at 10,000.All those millennials who vote NDP and get their means tested pension for their parents who will now be short $3000/mth.Most retirees live for twenty years,so that’s $720,000 less wealth transferred via inheritance to their millennial next of kin.So much for taxing wealth or inheritance won’t be nothing left to pass on,kiss gifted down payment goodbye as parents will need larger nest egg to get by.

#79 Gulf Breeze on 09.23.15 at 2:31 pm

#11 Corban

I hear you about how dunderheaded the NDP was on some issues, here in B.C, years ago. But…federally it will be a very different story. ‘Socialist’ regimes tend to move more towards center when they have a federal mandate. Whereas, provincially and federally, in the last few decades, liberals (and democrats in U.S) seem to move farther towards the right.

Tfsa limits are completely mind bogglingly irrelevant when our ‘leader’ has Canadians on the ground with a metaphorical boot on our faces.

A vote for Harper is a vote for international neo conservative neo-fascism. It is a vote for self interest, self absorption, self against the world. Forget ‘us versus them.’ It’s a vote purely for me, me,mine, mine, mine.

It’s the Daffy Duck, Gordon Gekko, Leona Helmsley vote. A vote for Harper is a vote championing the ignorant, the uncultivated and the simple minded. A vote for Harper supports uni-dimensional, Dickensian minded, social Darwinist, chest pounding twerps.

Thanks. I feel better now!

#80 Reasonfirst on 09.23.15 at 2:32 pm

Never had an “allegiance” to a party so I can’t really change it…but I might voter differently than last time.

#81 Danforth on 09.23.15 at 2:35 pm

I must have psychic powers.

No joke, this morning I was thinking “I’m curious if that William Stratas guy can set up a voting form to get an election poll?”.

Low and behold, its here!

#82 waiting on the westcoast on 09.23.15 at 2:44 pm

Garth – my initial form submitted early so if you can ensure that it is the same as Smoking Man’s… That would be great. Missed the last few questions.

I have always been part of the solution… I would go into politics but I am to black/white about issues. Not talking a consensus builder, although a big proponent of open dialog/conflict.

Garth – would you recommend going through the process or does it just chew someone up???

#83 A from BC on 09.23.15 at 2:52 pm

hey g,
First time posting here. I’m still undecided about who to vote for as I feel there are no good options. I feel like I’m looking for the best of the worst – again.

Frankly, I think GST should’ve been left at 7% but reduce my income tax. If you want to buy gas guzzling hummers, then you should pay that higher tax. If you consume less, and we could all consume less, then we pay less GST.

Leave my TFSA alone. I’ve already paid tax on that money.

But Harpers divisive politics has really pissed me off.

Should I hold my nose and vote? I probably will.

A

#84 waiting on the westcoast on 09.23.15 at 2:52 pm

I really need to review my autocorrected comments prior to submission… ;-)

too NOT to

much of NOT talking

#85 IHCTD9 on 09.23.15 at 2:55 pm

#24 Tim on 09.23.15 at 11:47 am
Re #3 Paul
The reason Canada did well during the last economic crises was because the Liberals left Harper with a surplus, which he blew, and because of the stability of Canadian banks and record oil prices– not because of his policies.
____________________________________________

Liberals took way more than they needed from the taxpayer, and bragged about it over, and over, and over. Commodities were high, Harper made hay while the sun was shining.

Compare the Ontario Liberal performance to Harper’s over the same period. Harper was receiving envious looks from global leaders while S+P was downgrading Ontario debt.

If the McGuinty/ Wynn Liberals ran the country, the Russians and Americans would be sending ICBMS over our smoking carcass fighting for the mineral and timber rights and the remaining slave labour…

#86 Setting the Record Straight on 09.23.15 at 2:55 pm

@34
“cannot afford apathy in this election. Deciding not to vote is not a solution. We need to get good MP candidates in our communities and press them for the changes we want to see happen. Get involved! There is not a perfect leader in either of the 3 parties yet apathy is not the answer”
&&&&&&&&&&&
Not voting!
It’s not apathy.
It’s not a solution but it’s a start.
“The lesser evil isn’t necessarily marginally acceptable.”

#87 Tom on 09.23.15 at 3:00 pm

Re 48 Pete
Chrétien is a saint compared to Hareper. There has been no PM with a more lack of regard for the democratic process. Imagine limiting the number of questions from the media or preventing the public from accessing government information. Do you really want another 4 years of this sociopath and his trianed seals.

#88 Vanman on 09.23.15 at 3:03 pm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/housing/the-cost-of-a-backyard-in-vancouver-750k/article26494925/

#89 Tom on 09.23.15 at 3:05 pm

Pretty sad when someone bases their entire decision on who they would like to run the country, setting financial, social, cultural policy solely on a measly extra 5 k in tax free savings. Shows the depth and breadth of thinking…

#90 When will they raise rates? on 09.23.15 at 3:11 pm

No option for the Libertarian Party…

#91 Big Dipper on 09.23.15 at 3:22 pm

“This is no political blog”

Gee, you could have fooled me.

The meme being preached here advocates that raiding the public purse to provide tax breaks to corporations, and vote buying schemes for those who hate all things government, is a good thing. Seeing that this blog largely preaches to the converted the outcome appears predictable.

Nice leading preamble for this “survey”, just in case some of the slower dogs did not get it,”..the eat-the-rich, anti-corporate, tax-and-spend memes…” You could have just said: “do you support evil and hate good? Yes or no?

Here’s another gem: “Overtaxed corps will just move”. 1) define overtaxed, 2) define undertaxed, 3) provide empirical evidence (not ideology) for the opinion stated.

Anyway, I religiously completed the binary questions, with obviously no nuance available, because it is fun seeing the mindset of the nation’s most influential pathetic® blog at work.

#92 Reddy on 09.23.15 at 3:23 pm

Some survey answers should have a ‘don’t care’ option

#93 IHCTD9 on 09.23.15 at 3:29 pm

#42 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 12:48 pm

…Yes for higher corporate taxes even though this will hurt my bottom line, but like any and most corporations I can shuffle money to minimze tax…

____________________________________________

Dippers and Millennials – are you paying attention?

You are going to have to find some other way to exact your vengeance on Corporations and the “Rich” folks that own them.

TM/JT will extract pennies at most. If you insist on electing a tax and spend government, be aware the taxation will fall to you – as it always does. Or if you are young, you will pay for the ensuing debt later on.

Icing on the cake will be your lower wages as the job market becomes a cesspool full of garbage jobs with everyone fighting for the table scraps.

There was an article on the CBC about 368 menial government jobs being posted in India. These jobs were bottom end, and required a grade 5 education.

2.3 million people applied…

Many immigrants who came here are throwing in the Towel, and heading back to places just like that.

The younger you are, the more important these going concerns are to you. Us “rich” old guys are already set, it’s the youth that will take the fall.

#94 Dwilly on 09.23.15 at 3:30 pm

Agree entirely with this entire post. The reality of the situation is that there I neither agree nor disagree with the entirety of any party’s platform. There are pieces of all that are good, and pieces of all that are bad. So one ends up having to decide which issues are personal priorities (environment, economy, healthcare, the leader, etc) and vote based on that.

Worse still, I would say that even within issues, I have agreements and disagreements between parties. For example, on the economy, I agree with the CPC that corporate taxes should not rise, but I also agree with the LPC/NDP that there should be limitations to TFSAs.

What bothers me most overall from all parties is the lack of vision and the pandering to extremes (opposite ones, but equally extreme). What happened to honest, fair, centrist “good governance”? I would happily vote this instant for a “compassionate conservative”, fiscally responsible, respectful of free enterprise, but socially progressive, accepting of science, and respectful rather than contemptuous of the institutions & offices they represent. Guess that’s asking too much…

#95 oct19isntsoonenough on 09.23.15 at 3:33 pm

“With a few clicks of a mouse, or taps of a finger, oct19isntsoonenough could have learned that 300,000 jobs have left just a single province in the last decade or so.”

Hmmm, who has been in power federally for the last 10 years? That’s what we’re talking about, right, the federal election?

I guess we should just continue along the same exact path and hope the result is different. fingers crossed!

Hey, let’s knock another point off the GST too! Genius! The economy will be super charged with everyone paying less taxes #failedpolicies #pandering #10moreyears!

#96 Leo Trollstoy on 09.23.15 at 3:39 pm

#39 Sam the Sham on 09.23.15 at 12:39 pm

C-51 will never be repealed. By any party. Get used to it.

#97 Big Dipper on 09.23.15 at 3:41 pm

#39

Your survey leaves the most important question:
“Do you believe bill C-51 should be repealed completely or are you happy with Canada being turned into a police state?”

That’s objective. — Garth

No, it’s leading. As in, “do you believe the Garth is the bringer of all good and happiness in the world, or are you in favour of the anti-Christ socialism.

#98 Doug in London on 09.23.15 at 3:56 pm

@Paul, post #3:
Canada didn’t avoid the recession, just ask people who were laid off in 2008-09, but dodged the same troubles as the USA because 1) commodities were still doing well (the same reason Australia avoided such troubles) which helped to keep the economy going, and 2) the banking sector wasn’t deregulated to the same degree as happened in the USA, and most likely we have Paul Martin to thank for that foresight. Since then, despite seeing what happened in the USA back in 2008, we’ve had our own version of subprime mortgages and it’s probably going to come back to bite us hard.

#99 Doug in London on 09.23.15 at 4:00 pm

The Conservative leader probably erred in deciding to hang on for yet a few more years. Not cool.
——————————————————
Agreed fully. If the Conservatives lose this election (a definite possibility) they’ll regret keeping Harper on, even if they never confess he’s the reason why they lost the election.

#100 Timoftrees on 09.23.15 at 4:03 pm

I think HATE Harper is a bit strong. I don’t like what he did to Garth, and I wouldn’t share a pint necessarily, but HATE…
‘Find unlikeable’ yes – but I’m still voting/donating Conservative. I have a business to run, family and employees to look after, jobs to create and a future to build for my boys. I work my butt of to do it.

I trust the Conservative to make the tough decisions that will not make us Greece.

#101 Fozzie on 09.23.15 at 4:03 pm

I recently returned from vacation in Germany , all seems pretty great there ,not most people rent homes pay high taxes and get free education ,use solid infrastructure , etc. yet seems to me has a solid economy ? Could you possibly compare our economies I’m your own “pathetic blog style” as it relates to the issues in our upcinh election?

#102 VJGoh on 09.23.15 at 4:05 pm

Social issues are economic issues. These few things are a part of economic policy, but they’re not the whole thing.

Garth, did you read the Maclean’s piece on how the dismantling of Statistics Canada is affecting us? It’s not just bad social policy, it’s bad economic policy. The Cons want to keep people in the dark–even themselves, so they can fail to act but claim ignorance–but that has real economic impact. Businesses can’t go to the government for data that can really be beneficial about demographics, or past market performance or what have you.

Environmental policy has also given Canada a black eye, and so we had some short-term gains with the oil sector, but long-term problems with our customer base and reputation.

So taxes, yeah, nobody likes them. Everyone likes to talk about them. But economics is obviously more than just how much comes out of my pocket and goes to the government. If the government spends on good things, I’m happy to pay them. If the government wastes them on dumb things, it doesn’t matter if I pay less, I still resent paying them.

#103 MSM-Free Zone on 09.23.15 at 4:09 pm

[ ] left-wing

[ ] right-wing

[X] know-ing

Before you vote, a little knowledge is a good thing.

#104 Mister Obvious on 09.23.15 at 4:16 pm

I voted the same as Smoking Man with the exception of question #1 “Will you be switching party allegiance?” to which I answered YES. I would have happily voted Liberal if not for these irritating things:

1. Pointless reduction in TFSA contribution limit
2. Special ‘life event’ RRSP withdrawals for RE.
3. Unspecified proportional voting system

#105 Vanman on 09.23.15 at 4:19 pm

Conservatives gaining ground in BC.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/polls+find+stephen+harper+conservatives+rise/11384482/story.html

#106 TurnerNation on 09.23.15 at 4:21 pm

Which candidates will end the fear of terrorists in my bedroom? Only those ones which hate my freedom. Haven’t heard much about them lately.

#107 Labourador Retrieval on 09.23.15 at 4:25 pm

#38 DisgustMadeMePost on 09.23.15 at 12:36 pm
“There is a background blocker that captures IP addresses”.
Perhaps someone else in my office has already voted and the same IP address is used in our network.
I’ll vote from home later today.

…………

Productive office… :)
—————-

LOL….Garth your blog and polls are having a negative impact on labour productivity in the economy as the great unwashed are diverted from their jobs…..Get back to work sheeples, recess is over!

#108 VanDug on 09.23.15 at 4:30 pm

I am not happy about the NDP and Liberal financial plans. The Conservatives would otherwise have my support when it comes to economic matters save for their tunnel-vision-ed support of the energy industry and disregard for R&D and the manufacturing sector.

I am seriously unhappy with Bill C51, the failures in various laws that have been repeatedly challenged (all social policy laws that failed), and the general absence of nation building in their vision of Canada.

Where I completely lost my sh*t is when Mr. Harper was possessed by the spirit of Jacques Parizeau and translated “pur laine” into “old stock”. I cannot be consistent with my personal morals and let anyone who said these words be the Prime Minister of this country. It is a vile bit of messaging that echoes the US Republican “Southern Strategy” and I find it beyond offensive.

The Conservative party really should review how much of the progressive philosophy has been lost since the merger of Reform and PC parties. I have zero desire to see Canada ruled by a party that is veering towards the “cartoon conservatism” that permeates the US GOP.

#109 Spiltbongwater on 09.23.15 at 4:33 pm

Cannot answer the question of what party to vote for. Garth has chosen to exclude Communist Party of Canada, for some undemocratic reason.

#110 Nagraj on 09.23.15 at 4:51 pm

“Do you hate Stephen Harper?”

What un-Christian presumption, goodness gracious! (And with the Pope in town too!)

Well, come to think of it, nobody in Canada hates the PM as much as Lord Ashcroft hates the British PM.
Lord Ashcroft just wrote a nasty book (with some woman) depicting David Cameron as necrophiliacally engaged with the severed head of a pig.
Oh my.
How is it we never get this kind of political news in Canada? The closest we get to this sort of exciting reputation-destroying and career-ruining class-driven political news is some chubby female Senator stiffing the taxpayer for a good breakfast. I DETEST CHILLY BRIE! I JUST HATE IT! I WILL NOT EAT IT! I, BEING ME, DESERVE WARM BRIE!

Here politics is all about the economy (whatever that is) and hair.

IF we had sumpin like the Oxford-based Piers Gaveston Society (formed in 1977 and consisting of all of about a dozen yahoos variously described as a secret organization, dinner or drinking club) Mulcair would never get asked to an initiation ceremony, Justin would take one look at the pig’s head and throw up, and Harper, I’m sure, would walk out.

Now, while PIG GATE is animating the Brits, it turns out that since Corbyn’s election (which was maybe two weeks ago if that) 60,000 Britons signed up for membership in The Labour Party. Since when has any Canadian party suddenly got itself 60K new members?

We’re such a sober people.

#111 Peter on 09.23.15 at 5:02 pm

Tom 87
Re 48 Pete
Chrétien is a saint compared to Hareper
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If Chretien is a saint, I sure hope I don’t end up in heaven with more of those saints…

#112 Randy on 09.23.15 at 5:12 pm

I want to vote for the Dippers. Should I check Liberal or NDP ?….or both

#113 JT in QC on 09.23.15 at 5:13 pm

Well in my riding it’s Duceppe (Bloc) vs Laverdière (NDP). Sorry Garth, gotta go with the NDP on this one.

In any case, both Trudeau and Mulcair have said they would not support Harper in the case of a minority government. So it’s already been decided that it will be a Libs-NDP coalition. I personally like it – stable coherent coalition.

Best

#114 Unumizer on 09.23.15 at 5:19 pm

Hate is a strong word. I do dislike lots of what he has done but will vote for him again (he’s my MP) because he is the lesser of all evils

#115 Nosty, etc. on 09.23.15 at 5:23 pm

That was hard, but I managed to finish it. At my advanced age, anything which is more involved than going to the washroom is too complicated for me.

SMan, thanks for email and links. Very interesting!

And now, continuing in the spirit of brevity . . .

#131 SWL1976 on 09.22.15 at 1:13 pm — “SM – I was thinking the same thing about VW. Convienient timing, considering Germany’s position on the global chess board. If there is a link to the story I’m sure Nosty will find it”

“NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WERE IT NOT FOR THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX AND THE DEMONIZATION OF CARBON.” (wrh.com), and This may have something to do with it, as well as the ongoing migrant crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste!

Robots = Mass Poverty; Herd mentality?

#116 Roasted wild gonads on 09.23.15 at 5:29 pm

#110 Nagraj on 09.23.15 at 4:51 pm

“Do you hate Stephen Harper?”

What un-Christian presumption, goodness gracious! (And with the Pope in town too!)

Well, come to think of it, nobody in Canada hates the PM as much as Lord Ashcroft hates the British PM.
Lord Ashcroft just wrote a nasty book (with some woman) depicting David Cameron as necrophiliacally engaged with the severed head of a pig.
————————
I just knew you would get jazzed up about pig-gate.

So the key question is………..

If one of our politicos was to become enamored with a dead pig head.. would that make you more likely to vote for them?

#117 Facts to Share on 09.23.15 at 5:39 pm

Bitch bitch bitch….if the election was held today the Conservatives would win a majority based on all current data. PM Harper’s numbers are rising, Trudeau is sinking….Mulcair sideways….so stop all the complaining.

It does make me wonder why we held this expensive election at all to achieve the same results. It’s the Conservatives winning 126 up to 130 seats….taking seats from Liberals in the west and Mulcair in Que., more than enough to settle the argument.

Get out and vote….and don’t be disappointment…there’ll be an average turnout.

#118 StandardDeviation on 09.23.15 at 5:40 pm

These proponents of proportional representation need to be aware that countries like Australia have it and because of it they have numerous minority parties in government who have ZERO hope of success.
One fellow from the “CAR PARTY”, who’s platform was solely to reduce fuel prices, secured a seat in parliament with less than 1% of people voting for him due to proportional representation.
Be aware most people implement strategies assuming reasonable people will apply it.
Most people and most corporations are far removed from that assumption.

#119 Don't Believe Any Of Them on 09.23.15 at 5:45 pm

Did we dodge the recession as someone in the first few comments said? Or have the effects just been delayed by the twisted real estate market and we will actually fall farther and harder because the bubble is so much bigger.

At any rate I don’t believe a good deal of what any of these leaders say. Can’t stand Harper but I’m not to sure what the other too would actually do if they formed government. I think we are headed for a minority anyway and I doubt Harper will hang around long in that situation.

#120 Bottoms_Up on 09.23.15 at 5:46 pm

#72 ROBOCALL ANNOUNCEMENT on 09.23.15 at 2:04 pm
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You also forgot to announce that anyone that votes yes to hating Harper will be labelled a terrorist under C51 and your passport will be taken.

#121 stage1dave on 09.23.15 at 5:48 pm

As I sit here puffing on a soon-to-be-illegal menthol cigarette whilst getting in my 2 cents, must admit I was surprised by the “do you hate Stephen Harper?” question…but I guess just answering it is pretty revealing.

I don’t “hate” the guy because I don’t know him, just intensely dislike his governments’ direction & most of his stated policies.

(I do “hate” several people, however; but that’s a really intense personal matter & occurs only once I get to know them, & the way they conduct themselves personally and/or professionally)

Btw, does anyone know if mint leaves will give a nice menthol taste to ordinary tobacco?

#122 Facts to Share on 09.23.15 at 5:49 pm

Or…we could follow Premier Wynne’s example and urge voters to vote Liberal…..after all…her civil service gang have got a hold on the economy….a strangle hold that is.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ontario-home-care-agencies-spending-almost-1-billion-a-year-on-administration-costs-auditor

#123 SunShowers on 09.23.15 at 5:51 pm

I can’t in good conscience vote Tory as long as Harper is at the helm, the man is bad for Canada.

I’ll vote strategically for whatever candidate is most likely to beat the Conservative MP in my riding (likely Liberal). Once Harper loses this election for his party and resigns in shame, I’ll happily consider voting Tory again based on their platform and the new leader’s merits.

On the bright side, if the Libs/NDP follow through on their promises, we might have proportional representation for the next election, so nobody has to vote strategically again.

#124 saskatoon on 09.23.15 at 5:59 pm

the above comments function to prove what the sane already know:

1. government bootlickers are incapable of truly logical discourse

2. government bootlickers have an inverted moral compass

3. government bootlickers have an incredible capacity for self-delusion and hyper-rationalization

4. government bootlickers are psychologically hollowed out–having little to no sense of self

they know not what they do.

they are the most dangerous of people.

Just a hunch. But you may need to get out of the prairies more. — Garth

#125 Sponge on 09.23.15 at 6:11 pm

Although the results will be intriguing and show the thoughts of mostly pecuniary blog dogs that love their TFSA, it might be a little skewed from the national average.. Average Joe will vote on a whim or other information.
I voted the opposite of every one of Smoking Man’s answers except one.. We don’t next $15 min wage!

#126 HellYeah on 09.23.15 at 6:13 pm

I’m sure the results of this poll will reveal the unique nature of the people who read this blog, just as the comments section day-in-day-out-without-fail reveals a few “unique” slices of the Canadian (?) demographic.

I am super interested to know if GT’s poll is at least as accurate as “mainstream” polls – like the ones that only call landlines. Could we have a review on Oct 20? Thx.

The poll is what it is – open to the diverse and national readership of this blog, with a filter to prevent multiple voting. I will publish full results tomorrow after it has been up for 24 hours. — Garth

#127 Sponge on 09.23.15 at 6:13 pm

*we don’t need $15 min wage! :P

#128 *NAKED APE* on 09.23.15 at 6:14 pm

Had to say that I would vote for NDP because that’s the only choice/person/party able to unseat the ReformaCONbot in our Central Alberta riding. Our area is full of red necks and gun toting back country dipshits….. Not my first choice but the ONLY choice to strategically get these unethical, disgusting, deceitful, law breaking, divisive, racist bastards off of Parliament Hill.

#129 Freedom First on 09.23.15 at 6:14 pm

#2 Smoking Man

I agree with Smokey on all points. I voted.

I wrote here recently I was considering giving the kid a chance. However, since then I have been listening, watching, thinking, and reading more. Like I also said here before, the Liberals and the NDP have missed a “Golden Opportunity”.

Also, another factor, I am a “Selfish Boomer” to the younger people? FU

#130 Enthalpy on 09.23.15 at 6:14 pm

No perfect candidate exists. Im with Garth (I think most are here ) that higher tax for corps and high income earners is a no no. But Steve has over stayed his welcome. Many just want him gone for all the other bad he’s been a part of.
Sadly that means some of these other poor ideas may come into play soon.
Steve dun goofed.

#131 RayofLight on 09.23.15 at 6:17 pm

#87 Tom on 09.23.15 at 3:00 pm
Re 48 Pete
Chrétien is a saint compared to Hareper. There has been no PM with a more lack of regard for the democratic process. Imagine limiting the number of questions from the media or preventing the public from accessing government information. Do you really want another 4 years of this sociopath and his trianed seals.
————————————————————-

I use to cringe when PM Chretien actually left the county and represented Canadians in Global summits. Remember the beautifully clear Liberal circular logic “The proof is the proof, and when you have the proof, you don’t need the proof”
WTF?

#132 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 6:20 pm

I can tell this place is being over run with paid PMO Con-trolls.

It’ll be interesting to see if all of their “votes” pass the IP filter.

Of course they probably will being that they’re posting from Mom’s basement. Paid piecemeal by the post.

Already worried about the results, orange boy? — Garth

#133 saskatoon on 09.23.15 at 6:22 pm

#124 saskatoon

262 million people have been murdered by government in the last 100 years alone.

this does NOT include combat fatalities.

frankly, it is unfathomable that–despite this number–so many continue to advocate INCREASED governmental power and control.

#134 Anon on 09.23.15 at 6:27 pm

No Libertarian Party?

#135 Randy on 09.23.15 at 6:27 pm

Me too. I’m tired of trying. Tired of paying taxes for services I don’t use. Tired of subsidizing fat government bureaucrats and public servants along with their gold-plated pensions. Just give me my Welfare State Payments and Entitlements and add it to the Millennials credit card. No more Sh^ts to give.

#136 Minimum Wages? on 09.23.15 at 6:29 pm

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?

Over what time period?
Maybe more provinces should tie it CPI gains yearly.

http://www.retailcouncil.org/quickfacts/minimum-wage

#137 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 6:29 pm

#115 Nosty, etc. on 09.23.15 at 5:23 pm
That was hard, but I managed to finish it. At my advanced age, anything which is more involved than going to the washroom is too complicated for me.

SMan, thanks for email and links. Very interesting!

And now, continuing in the spirit of brevity . . .

#131 SWL1976 on 09.22.15 at 1:13 pm — “SM – I was thinking the same thing about VW. Convienient timing, considering Germany’s position on the global chess board. If there is a link to the story I’m sure Nosty will find it”

“NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WERE IT NOT FOR THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX AND THE DEMONIZATION OF CARBON.” (wrh.com), and This may have something to do with it, as well as the ongoing migrant crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste!

……

Nosty, some advice bro.. Try some hemp.
It’s a wonder drug.. If it don’t cure what’s affecting you.

At leased you will go to the other side smiling and laughing.

Got a good feeling the other side is a lot better than what’s down here.

Be brave brother.

#138 Dr. Talc on 09.23.15 at 6:30 pm

Speaking of jokes, heres one about Alex Tilley selling the company.
Whats the difference between a Tilley hat made in China and one made in Canada?
One is made by asians in asia and the otber made by asians in Don Mills.

#139 Freedom First on 09.23.15 at 6:32 pm

Good idea for today’s Post Garth, and great questions too. I appreciate it.

#140 Greg on 09.23.15 at 6:36 pm

A problem with your poll Garth. I could vote twice using a VPN. Didn’t tho.

One vote per IP address. — Garth

#141 T.O. Bubble Boy on 09.23.15 at 6:41 pm

I think there are more important questions than these… but I get that this blog is focused on Personal Finance / Real Estate.

Like: would you reinstate the census? Fund the CBC? Reinstate science programs? Keep combat roles for the military? Buy F-35 Jets? Spend hundreds of millions on “Economic Action Plan” ads? Sell government assets to lie about balancing the budget?

#142 Nobleton Bill on 09.23.15 at 6:41 pm

Vote!

If you don’t vote, you don’t have a voice.
People are dying trying to cross into Europe because they’ve lost all their rights to ISIS.

We live amongst the freest countries on the planet. Vote and show your support for Democracy. Vote!

#143 Randy on 09.23.15 at 6:43 pm

When the Fed launches QE4 and it is huge.. …..is it time to buy gold ?

#144 Cat food tester on 09.23.15 at 6:52 pm

Wouldn’t it be just great if it was so tight that the Greens held the balance of power. A few votes either way could go a long way in keeping some sanity.

Also this isn’t the same conservative government. Most of the big guns jumped ship long ago. That’s why Harper is doing the election on his own. Everybody else is muzzled which is what you will get more of if they get back in.

#145 polecat on 09.23.15 at 7:01 pm

I do not like any of the main guys, voting green. Hoping for minority government, we’re screwd either way unless Garth is PM. Spoiling my ballot.

#146 Grey Dog on 09.23.15 at 7:03 pm

Hate is not the word I would choose. Distrust is a term I could vote for in describing my lack of faith in Stephen Harper.

TFSA is most important, as a savings vehicle as we start cashing out RIFFs.

#147 Dual Citizen In Canada on 09.23.15 at 7:05 pm

Garth, none of those questions will save our economy. You forgot this one:
Will legalizing and taxing weed save our economy?
Yes

Pot, Canada’s new cash crop. Oil, schmoil…

#148 Linda on 09.23.15 at 7:06 pm

Garth, regarding your poll – did it, but want to clarify. I do not ‘hate’ the current PM. However, I do feel he needs to go & his party sycophants with him. That having been said, I don’t want to see high income earners ‘punished’ by taxing them unfairly – ditto corporations, though the corporations should pay more tax. Or at least lose the subsidies so that there is a slightly more level playing field. I find it ironic that so many rail against government worker pension plans, but do not complain if the corporation they work for gets subsidies paid out of taxpayer dollars. Most recently the automakers, whose bail out did NOT save the jobs (at least, not for long) & the amounts paid would have covered each worker for 2 to 3 years of EI at the maximum amounts…..

#149 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 7:06 pm

#140 Greg on 09.23.15 at 6:36 pm
A problem with your poll Garth. I could vote twice using a VPN. Didn’t tho.

One vote per IP address. — Garth
….

Ha I could vote again, ON Senica WiFi at moment, on Monday I’ll be in mass a two shits. Well that’s how I pronounce it.

But being the honest bastard that I am.. Won’t vote twice, that would be so wrong.

#150 wussmode on 09.23.15 at 7:09 pm

Cool to include a survey on your blog Garth.

#151 Sheane Wallace on 09.23.15 at 7:11 pm

The joke of the day: redefining recession:

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-interview-canadian-finance-minister-says-country-not-121704218.html

Garth, its it really that bad in the conservative’s camp?
I find it insulting that this guy is financial minister.

#152 LL on 09.23.15 at 7:15 pm

I will not vote.
It’s a joke anyway…one or the other…….all the same!

No time to loose..

#153 Ydnew on 09.23.15 at 7:16 pm

My vote will be less about the party I chose and more about the candidates in my riding. Regardless of what I feel about our fearless leader, the incumbent has proved himself to be a complete and utter nincompoop and I would not vote for him under any circumstances.

#154 learningfromyou on 09.23.15 at 7:22 pm

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election?
NO
I really do not trust fully on any

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
NO
Good things should persist in time

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
NO
It’s like a penalty for your efforts, being lazy might become a privilege

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
NO
We are already became a nation of consumers, at least we need to sell sandwich to each other

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
NO
Most people are like machines, more they make more they will expend, it does not solve anything

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
NO

You intend to vote for –

CONSERVATIVE

NDP

LIBERAL

GREEN

GARTH ————— YES

Maybe his blog can push him doing something beyond his reality.

#155 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 7:25 pm

Good bye Canada..

Don’t give a mass a two shits on who wins.

Secretly hoping for the kid, I’ll come back and re buy at rock bottom prices when he destroys the dollar and country.

Go commies and tree huggers.

#156 Cp on 09.23.15 at 7:25 pm

I say this poll is fixed even before the results are known. Like my pappy used to say, if you’re keeping score in golf and you lose, you’re an idiot. Same goes for polls. Garth’s anti-evil doppelgänger is well known. I guess we’ll have to wait until tomorrow to see the results of this tragic exercise – just saying.

#157 willworkforpickles on 09.23.15 at 7:26 pm

Better to keep things going as they are than to see it all made worse than ever….Harper.

#158 willworkforpickles on 09.23.15 at 7:34 pm

Garth…ain’t you tough enough to be pm?
…as in maybe next time around….

#159 jess on 09.23.15 at 7:34 pm

for the non voter may change their mind

watch tvo.org/programs/planet oil

#160 GreyMan on 09.23.15 at 7:35 pm

Smoking man , Justin’s dad gave away The Bank Of Canada in 1974 to private interest’s . Put the J D down for a while and look it up , I ll give you a clue Rocco Galati challange.

#161 Paully on 09.23.15 at 7:36 pm

I’m voting for my local Independent candidate. It goes nowhere, but I can’t stomach voting for any of the three major parties. They are all out to lunch!

#162 Salutations Sally on 09.23.15 at 7:40 pm

#20, Peter Belcarra, thanks! Loved the collection of quotes!

#163 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 7:42 pm

Didn’t think you’d have the stones to publish that one. But that’s something only you and I know right?

I know it was too stupid to post. Is that what you mean? — Garth

#164 Tanya on 09.23.15 at 7:42 pm

I voted No to all of the are-you-a-socialist questions, but a resounding Yes to hating Harper. And since I don’t share the tendency to vote against rather than for, I will be handing my ballot back. None of the options are endorse-able.

#165 Macduff on 09.23.15 at 7:50 pm

I honestly believe we are going to go the way of France, in that we will vote in a left leaning government that will condemn us to zero GDP growth, a bloated and inefficient public sector and a chronically underperforming economy. I fear for my ten year old son, whose generation will bear the scars of this folly. Meanwhile, the US will become the land of opportunity, and many will go there to fulfill their careers unfettered by Canadian values that seem to encourage mediocrity and that we are all equal. No one will recognize the empty wasteland that we will have become.

#166 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 7:53 pm

#160 GreyMan on 09.23.15 at 7:35 pm
Smoking man , Justin’s dad gave away The Bank Of Canada in 1974 to private interest’s . Put the J D down for a while and look it up , I ll give you a clue Rocco Galati challange.
……

Honesty, I give no shit… Looking to smoke my next advisary. Get drunk, and party.

So some smart bastards figured out how to bend you over and you loved it.

Nosty is at the end of his life.. It’s all I’m thinking about at the moment.

How can you heartless bastards not see it.

Nosty, the next JD…

I toast to your life.

#167 Unanswered questions on 09.23.15 at 7:58 pm

I did not answer the questions regarding how I will vote. I honestly don’t know, still waiting for something inspiring to vote for.

#168 GreyMan on 09.23.15 at 7:58 pm

It makes no difference who the next CEO of the Corporation is ,
BLUE TEAM , RED TEAM , ORANGE TEAM.
They may change the window dressing a little .
As the song goes” Meet the new boss same as the old boss”

#169 PeterfromCalgary on 09.23.15 at 7:59 pm

I am voting for whoever lets me put more money in my TFSA. That happens to be the Conservatives.

I know Harper is not perfect. However, I think of my TFSA as my baby. Don’t cut my baby in half!

#170 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 8:04 pm

Nosty, tomorrow I’m sending you my book, 6 chapters after all this time… Perhaps I should have went to obidance training, sucked up, put my head down, and made the dead line… it would have been done along time ago I figure.

No one’s perfect.. Getting the feeling you won’t be around when I finaly get off my ass and finish the beast.

Gut Check… Is the only human that has ever read it thus far.

She’s a true artist.. How could I not share.

Nosty, your a beauty human, I hope you enjoy it…

#171 Cici on 09.23.15 at 8:05 pm

OK, Garth, I did my civil duty and voted on your poll, BUT feel I must mention that the results will be somewhat skewed because:

a) You were missing “maybes.” For instance, I said “no,” big corpo and rich guys shouldn’t pay more, but maybe, just maybe in some instances they should.
b) I had to vote “Green Party” because you were missing some other viable options.
c) I voted that I hate Stephen Harper, but I feel bad because my Mommy told me not to hate anybody (OK, I digress sometimes), but still, how can I hate a guy I don’t even know? I do hate him as a leader though, so I guess my vote is somewhat justified. However, I’ll probably end up hating his successor just as much or more…if indeed a new leader is chosen.

That’s my 2 cents, so don’t tax me on it!

#172 HellYeah on 09.23.15 at 8:06 pm

The poll is what it is – open to the diverse and national readership of this blog, with a filter to prevent multiple voting. I will publish full results tomorrow after it has been up for 24 hours. — Garth

Thanks gracious host. A big “+1” to you if you have stats on number of unique visitors to your post today, versus number of respondents. Kinda like the percentage of the electorate that vote?

No matter what the numbers are, I do hope that people go out and cast a ballot. Otherwise no complaining for the next few years.

#173 Ardy on 09.23.15 at 8:09 pm

There are many reasons besides financial ones for Canadians to want the Stephen Harper Conservatives to be replaced.

Go down the list…..and Harper has alienated most Canadians.

It isn’t about Harper being in office too long.

It is about what he did when Canadians finally gave him his coveted majority government.

Enough of Harper already.

Bring in Trudeau or Mulcair……..I don’t care which.

#174 LL on 09.23.15 at 8:09 pm

# 141 – I think there are more important questions than these… but I get that this blog is focused on Personal Finance / Real Estate.

Like: would you reinstate the census? Fund the CBC? Reinstate science programs? Keep combat roles for the military? Buy F-35 Jets? Spend hundreds of millions on “Economic Action Plan” ads? Sell government assets to lie about balancing the budget?

…..and more…….

That’s why I will not vote because they don’t talk/debate on important issue (they never anyway..they do what they want and they don’t ask our opinion on serious subject..never).

So why I should vote?

#175 Cici on 09.23.15 at 8:10 pm

OK, Garth, I did my civil duty and voted on your poll, BUT feel I must mention that the results will be somewhat skewed because:

a) You were missing “maybes.” For instance, I said “no,” big corpo and rich guys shouldn’t pay more, but maybe, just maybe in some instances they should.

#176 LL on 09.23.15 at 8:11 pm

# 141 – I think there are more important questions than these… but I get that this blog is focused on Personal Finance / Real Estate.

Like: would you reinstate the census? Fund the CBC? Reinstate science programs? Keep combat roles for the military? Buy F-35 Jets? Spend hundreds of millions on “Economic Action Plan” ads? Sell government assets to lie about balancing the budget?

…..and more…….

That’s why I will not vote because they don’t talk/debate on important issue (they never anyway..they do what they want and they don’t ask our opinion on serious subject..never).

So why should I vote?

#177 omg the original on 09.23.15 at 8:14 pm

161 comments by 5:13 PM – that’s got to be a record.

Now if the Canadian electorate would just participate as much.

#178 crowdedelevatorfartz on 09.23.15 at 8:15 pm

@#117 Facts to share.
“if the election was held today the Conservatives would win a majority based on all current data….”
“…..there’ll be an average turnout…..”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I disagree.
The amount of disgust for the conservative party and the loathing of Harper hasnt been seen since the Mulroney election. They were reduced from a majority to an embarrasing 2 seats……. 2 seats.
I think there will be heavy voter turnout and the conservatives may wind up in 3rd place.
Either way, the knives are coming out for Harper.
He’s vunerable, he’s toast. Good riddance.
He , and his pal Mulroney can go on the lecture circuit together and make millions…….hopefully paid in cash… in brown paper bags.

#179 Alberta wing-nuts on 09.23.15 at 8:18 pm

It is important to do the right things at the appropriate times. Martin contracted while the economy grew and so conversely the government should grow the economy when the economy is contracting. These are still the Martin Liberals under a young leader willing to learn while understanding there is a great deal of heart in this greatest of countries. AND there is so much more to consider than just money in an election, I mean should I be voting in that useless dinosaur Julian Fantino again…. Not an F’n chance…. These cons have gone too close to crossing the line in so many areas and they even have the nerve to call themselves tuff-on-crime…. It is insulting to my every conscious thought, the memory of this group is…. I’m ready to puke now….

#180 GreyMan on 09.23.15 at 8:18 pm

For last question of which party would I vote why was-
None of the above . not a choice?

Because it is not a choice. — Garth

#181 cookiemonster on 09.23.15 at 8:22 pm

“Overtaxed corps will just move.”

Instead of us competing for corporations to move to our country, corporations should compete to move to our countries. Let’s have all G20 countries equalize their tax to the same level to see where they go to, Palau? Macau? Bahamas?

How can we tolerate that companies pay no taxes going to tax havens…they take so much from society and give what back? Let’s see if they could make profits without society.

#182 Retired Boomer - WI on 09.23.15 at 8:22 pm

Interesting Comments today.

I would vote as did the Smoking Man at post #2 except for the last question. (I’d go Green for the fun of it).
What’s to lose there?

A harbinger on what awaits us feeble-minded Amerikuns come next November? Both countries are toast!

#183 CP on 09.23.15 at 8:25 pm

Hate is the wrong word for Harper. Pity his stupidity, sure, but hate – na.

#184 Lea on 09.23.15 at 8:26 pm

#151 Sheane Wallace

and this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/joe-oliver-recession-1.3239948

Is Oliver disputing the Stats Can figures? If he is, does this mean he agrees with the Macleans article:

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/vanishing-canada-why-were-all-losers-in-ottawas-war-on-data/

What if the economy contracted again in July?

#185 Not Kidding on 09.23.15 at 8:26 pm

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#186 LL on 09.23.15 at 8:28 pm

Apparently we live in a free country, so I am having the right to decide not to vote.

Why we loose our right to comment if we don’t vote?

#187 B Riding Dirty on 09.23.15 at 8:29 pm

Langley Riding, Party Break down

Liberal – Still going to school to get a Bachelors In Science. Oh yah he is 60years old, looking for a pension.

NDP – She has spent the past 5 years in Afganistan trying to make things better, So why is she running to for langley? Not worried about my local issues, just her peirced noise hippy helping issues for other parts of the world. ( not a fan of NDP )

Conservative – He is a career politician, 18 years at it, local and at the big house. Before 25 years independant business.

I have am a business owner, I need the rule of staying with conservative, I just dont like Stephen, seems like a snake.

#188 G in Québec on 09.23.15 at 8:29 pm

You might be surprised to learn you do have some separatist readers! Well, at least one. Alas, there was no Bloc option, so I left the field blank.

#189 Vanecdotal on 09.23.15 at 8:29 pm

Can we vote Sheane Wallace off this blog??

#190 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 8:32 pm

Didn’t think you’d have the stones to publish that one. But that’s something only you and I know right?

I know it was too stupid to post. Is that what you mean? — Garth
————

Garth, Garth, Garth…. I agree the last sentence was somewhat provocative but couldn’t you have left the rest?

Then submit again, minus the stupidity. — Garth

#191 Daisy Mae on 09.23.15 at 8:34 pm

How do most of the people who come here (unlike the weirdos who actually leave a comment) see the issues?

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Hey! I resent that! ;-) And, by the way, I tested the survey…and it worked. I couldn’t submit twice. LOL

#192 Big Dipper on 09.23.15 at 8:37 pm

#148 Linda
“I don’t want to see high income earners ‘punished’ by taxing them unfairly”

#154 learning from you
“Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
NO
It’s like a penalty for your efforts, being lazy might become a privilege”

Ah yes. The lazy middle income earner myth.

Do any of your geniuses realize that we have progressive taxation in Canada – and the more you earn, the higher the taxation rate (and vice-versa)? Has any of you actually done your own taxes? Does the term Schedule 1, step 2 have any meaning? Could you decipher that page without getting a throbbing headache? I understand, just go back to Sun News…

#193 For those about to flop... on 09.23.15 at 8:37 pm

I am working on a mansion in White Rock at the moment.
There are two reasons I don’t like working out there
A) gas and travel time
B) having to look at Diane Watts face everyday on campaign posters.
Did she fix all the problems in Slurrey?

#194 Daisy Mae on 09.23.15 at 8:38 pm

#11: “If he was more like the Paul martin liberals, i’d have my answer, but i’m unsure this go around.”

*****************

Paul Martin will always be in the wings. Don’t worry…be happy!

#195 MF on 09.23.15 at 8:40 pm

#12 oct19isntsoonenough on 09.23.15 at 10:52 am

Not tiresome at all. After minimum went up last year I saw the hours of everyone cut at my place of employment.

#26 Tim on 09.23.15 at 11:52 am

“A very brief summary of Harper’s abuses of power– wait, who cares! We want that extra 5 k in TFSA”

That’s right. And plus the other two are terrible.

#30 Gregor Samsa on 09.23.15 at 12:06 pm

“I will be voting Liberal this election. A Liberal minority government will run the country competently while the conservatives can purge the Harper-ness out of their party.”

Laughable. Just like the Liberals here in Ontario eh?

#31 GeorgeSoonToBeRetired on 09.23.15 at 12:09 pm

Not from what I hear from my colleagues and friends. I think it will be another Harper minority.

#37 Toronto Centre on 09.23.15 at 12:35 pm

Exactly. Our city is just a dumb politically as our housing market. I’m voting conservative and don’t care about anyone else in “Tdot”.

#41 Bottoms_Up on 09.23.15 at 12:45 pm

Similar thing happening now. People voting against the other two (Mulcair and Trudeau) because they are disliked, policies and all.

MF

#196 X on 09.23.15 at 8:44 pm

Funny about the Harper part of the questions….I had wondered how close the polls would be if it were not Harper running for the Conservatives. I mean I guess it really would depend on who was elected as their Federal representative, but it is no secret Harper is not a fan favorite at this point. May have been better for the big picture had he stepped aside for the greater good of the party….

#197 Daisy Mae on 09.23.15 at 8:45 pm

#67: “At least fill Parliament with good MPs rather than a bunch of under qualified yes-men/women.”

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They ALL become ‘yes’ men/women.

#198 Rexx Rock on 09.23.15 at 8:45 pm

You forgot about The Libertarian Party.Its the only choice now than all those other corrupt political parties.

#199 Kreditanstalt on 09.23.15 at 8:46 pm

Kind of difficult last question. Those four parties are all basically identical.

Perhaps the question could include more choices. Or whether we even see any reason to vote at all…

#200 pookie on 09.23.15 at 8:47 pm

There was a problem with your submission.
Sorry, but this form is limited to one submission per user.

I am not crazy…my mother had me tested. Not do I suffer from a split personality. So, not sure how there is more than one user submitting something. Cue the twilight zone music.
Here are my answers anyway…6 Nos and a conservative

#201 Theodopolis on 09.23.15 at 8:47 pm

Have been a card carrying conservative for 30 some years. Cannot vote Tory this time around. I do not trust the PM. While I am not naive to think that politics isn’t rough and tumble, ideas are no longer debated on merit. Rather character assassination, misinformation and outright distortion is the norm. Respect for institutions and integrity is as important to me as a vision for the country. My parents got out of Eastern Europe to get away from a system that paid lip service to democracy (the people), while pretty much showing disdain and contempt for others. I can’t vote for that here.

#202 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 8:49 pm

Alright Garth.

I have voted for all three of the major parties at various levels (don’t be fooled, there is partisan politics at the municipal level too), but this time I am voting for the NDP?

Why?

My local Candidate is Jeff Watson, the biggest neo-con Harper sycophant in the country. Don’t want him or Harper in power. The NDP lines up with most things I support. Not all, but most.

#203 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.23.15 at 8:53 pm

Bad placement of (?).

And Watson is the incumbent.

#204 Sean on 09.23.15 at 8:56 pm

#26 Tim

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wait, who cares! We want that extra 5 k in TFSA

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you know, you make a good point.. it is kind of pathetic to have to choose based on a measly 5k.. however, you are otherwise resigning yourself to believing the lies of one muppet over the other.. and besides, how can all three said muppets NOT let us keep the measly 5k.. that should be enough to determine your vote

#205 For those about to flop... on 09.23.15 at 8:58 pm

To all the people that are trying to vote twice.
Get over yourselves !

#206 rower on 09.23.15 at 8:59 pm

I’m voting NDP because I know they will never win this riding.

I will go and pretend that my vote matters and TPTB will pretend that they give a damn that I voted.

System is broken and needs to change.

#207 roial1 on 09.23.15 at 9:00 pm

Garth, check the votes. I tried to vote at 5 to 6 local(pacific) and it said that I had already voted.
You had better check the source as I did Not try any earlier. Dide not have3 my computer on till after 5.45 Pacific.

Yes, but you thought about voting. We know everything. — Garth

#208 Freedom First on 09.23.15 at 9:05 pm

I would just like to say that I do not hate anyone. However, that being said, there is people I do not like. I try to like everyone, but I am not yet successful. Therefore, I had to vote yes on that question with the options available. Unfortunately, I have no problem with that.

#209 MSM-Free Zone on 09.23.15 at 9:05 pm

#133 saskatoon on 09.23.15 at 6:22 pm
_________________________

Hey, saskatoon. Didn’t I see you on a Jade Helm television interview last July?

“….A new survey from Public Policy Polling finds that one-third of Republicans believe the Jade Helm 15 conspiracy theory that “the government is trying to take over Texas,” and another 28 percent of GOP voters haven’t made up their minds yet about the matter.

Among Republicans, PPP found that supporters of former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz were most likely to believe the conspiracy theory…. PPP also found that half of all Tea Party supporters fear an imminent Texas invasion…..”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/many-gop-voters-buy-jade-helm-conspiracy-theory

#210 MSM-Free Zone on 09.23.15 at 9:10 pm

Sorry to hijack the thread, this evening. Just needed some temporary comical relief.

And now, back to our regular programming….

#211 MF on 09.23.15 at 9:11 pm

#177 omg the original on 09.23.15 at 8:14 pm
161 comments by 5:13 PM – that’s got to be a record.

“Now if the Canadian electorate would just participate as much.”

-They won’t. Especially my cohort (millennials). That’s why no party cares about us. Our apathy/stupidity is so obvious why waste the time? I work with young people (teens/twenties) and people my age (32) and I hear it all the time.

Raise minimum wage! Who will pay for it? -No answer-
Raise taxes on the rich! Will you also pay more? -No answer-
Reduce tuition costs! Will you also pay more taxes to the Government so it can afford more subsidies? -No answer-
Take in x amount of refugees! Will you help pay for it? -No answer-

A lot of them, but not all, are also unreliable and seem to have no appreciation of the cost of equipment supplies etc.

I’m willing to bet a lot of the left leaning comments are from these types of younger voters. They can be quite vocal because they have the most free time since they are also usually still in school (university). A lot have not worked a day in their life yet, aside from these part time gigs that they don’t feel connected to. They also don’t seem to understand the value of money and how a business operates.

With the exception of an extreme minority of us millennials that follow politics (and who usually lean left), the vast vast majority are way too preoccupied with renting out our overleveraged condos and posting status updates on Facebook from trips Europe to care/notice.

-My thoughts about all this supposed support for the NDP. The race is between the Libs and Cons.

MF

#212 roial1 on 09.23.15 at 9:11 pm

So, does that mean that like Harperman, If you don’t vote “The right way” we don’t count you?????

#213 BS on 09.23.15 at 9:12 pm

I’m not voting NDP, but you are mistaken if you are inferring the economy was worse in BC under the NPD than the current government.

The net surplus for corporations increased more than double during the period 1991-2001 compared to the period 2001-2013. Almost all the other economic indicators were higher under the NDP.

LOL… yes the economy was so good under the NDP they have lost 4 consecutive elections since. During the 90s everywhere in North America was booming except BC. Although the NDP was good for housing prices. They tanked under the NDP as everyone fled.

Anyone who lived in BC during the 90s knows the NDP were a disaster.

#214 NDP man on 09.23.15 at 9:17 pm

This is how I voted.

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election
Yes- from NDP to Liberals

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
YES

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
NO

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
YES

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
NO

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES -With every fiber of my Being might I add(took that from smokingman)

You intend to vote for –
The Liberals

#215 Keen Reader on 09.23.15 at 9:17 pm

Unlike “None of the above”, the Bloc is as valid as the Greens as a democratic option. Either could make a difference in a three-way split between the main contenders. If anything, it would be a mistake to ignore the impact of Québec in the coming election…

#216 MF on 09.23.15 at 9:19 pm

#137 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 6:29 pm

“Nosty, some advice bro.. Try some hemp.
It’s a wonder drug.. If it don’t cure what’s affecting you.

At leased you will go to the other side smiling and laughing.

Got a good feeling the other side is a lot better than what’s down here.

Be brave brother.”

Oh boy. I couldn’t pass on this without commenting. You made it too easy.

I’m sure this guy smokes something a lot stronger than hemp before he posts. Lots of stuff out there that can elicit delusional tendencies, paranoia, probably some hallucinations to boot.

MF

#217 Freedom First on 09.23.15 at 9:22 pm

It’s about time someone said this as today is the 1000th day people have used the word loose for the word lose. I want you to know that I think anyone who does this is a looser.

#218 Sheane Wallace on 09.23.15 at 9:23 pm

#189 Vanecdotal on 09.23.15 at 8:29 pm
Can we vote Sheane Wallace off this blog??
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Certainly, what is your offer?

#219 MF on 09.23.15 at 9:24 pm

#214 NDP man on 09.23.15 at 9:17 pm

Hey NDP man. Can you please explain how you think rolling back the TFSA contribution limit will help anyone ever?

Thanks,

MF

#220 Monkey kingdom on 09.23.15 at 9:24 pm

Just watched Monkey Kingdom.

The power structure of the society of those monkeys and human societies are inconveniently way too close.

Politics seems truly a monkey business.
Voting and polls appear to be just some fancy gadgetry to obscure the true law and order of the jungle.

#221 Sheane Wallace on 09.23.15 at 9:25 pm

#189 Vanecdotal

#76 Seanne Wallace

that is not me, it is impostor.

#222 Sheane Wallace on 09.23.15 at 9:27 pm

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#223 Here there on 09.23.15 at 9:28 pm

Hard to choose between political parties. Usually politicians could be as trusty and straight as a VW’s brochure for their diesel cars. Imagine a corporation which lies, what this world is coming to. The seals are upset because some quarters, dislike Harper. Hate is a very strong word. But many might think of Mr. Harper, as they do, of their mothers in-law. A treasure, that must be buried.

#224 raptorstruth on 09.23.15 at 9:29 pm

NDP is almost certain to win my riding (Libs have a shot).

I’ll vote Green despite some of their fringe ideas, at least they aren’t promoting policy that furthers the RE bubble

#225 Vancouver Troy on 09.23.15 at 9:35 pm

Tim P

“And what’s wrong with paying taxes?”

When 10% pay 50% of the tax bill and then are told they are greedy and should pay their fair share, it’s a little hard to take!

It’s the 50% that pay little to no taxes that scream the loudest that taxes should be raised. Garth has pointed out the Liberal plan includes raising the tax rate to over 50% for some Canadians.

#226 Country Girl on 09.23.15 at 9:37 pm

Human rights are more important than TFSA (although I would prefer to keep the $10k limit).

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/maude-barlow/corporations-un-climate-change_b_8179118.html

#227 Paul on 09.23.15 at 9:37 pm

#24 Tim on 09.23.15 at 11:47 am

Re #3 Paul
The reason Canada did well during the last economic crises was because the Liberals left Harper with a surplus, which he blew, and because of the stability of Canadian banks and record oil prices– not because of his policies
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Oboma hailed as hero for not letting the States slide into a depression.Harper made some moves right or wrong to as some call it a correction put he may well have help a lot of Canadians, maybe most from seven years of pain.
Technically three of Canada’s bank were bankrupt they owed more than their stock value.

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/tribe-main-forum/165984-cibc-bmo-scotiabank-technically-bankrupt-during-height-financial-crisis.html

#228 saskatoon on 09.23.15 at 9:39 pm

#209 MSM-Free Zone

notice how he actively provides fodder for my stated points.

the same points he purports (apparently) to be against.

such is known as “victory” for the hollowed mind.

#229 Russ on 09.23.15 at 9:40 pm

NDP man on 09.23.15 at 9:17 pm

This is how I voted.

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES -With every fiber of my Being might I add(took that from smokingman)

=================

Hey ‘DP,
It’s pretty easy to tell you took that from Smokey. Fibre is spelled incorrectly.

If I can be frank, nobody cares how you voted except maybe your Mom.

Cheers, R

#230 Sheane Wallace on 09.23.15 at 9:40 pm

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#231 Paul on 09.23.15 at 9:42 pm

#194 Daisy Mae on 09.23.15 at 8:38 pm

#11: “If he was more like the Paul martin liberals, i’d have my answer, but i’m unsure this go around.”

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Paul Martin will always be in the wings. Don’t worry…be happy
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Paul Martin in the wings or ON HIS SHIPS FLAGGED UNDER SOME OTHER COUNTRY TO AVOID PAYING TAXES TO CANADA. Ya a real states man !!

#232 PeterfromCalgary on 09.23.15 at 9:43 pm

The betting odds now favour Harper. His US betting are +140, Mulcair is now +160 and Trudeau is +225.

This means if you bet $100 on Harper and he wins you would win $140. If you bet $100 on Mulcair and he wins you would win +160.

https://sports.bodog.eu/politics/2015-canadian-federal-election

#233 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 9:45 pm

#93 IHCTD9 on 09.23.15 at 3:29 pm
#42 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 12:48 pm

…Yes for higher corporate taxes even though this will hurt my bottom line, but like any and most corporations I can shuffle money to minimze tax…

____________________________________________

Dippers and Millennials – are you paying attention?

You are going to have to find some other way to exact your vengeance on Corporations and the “Rich” folks that own them.

TM/JT will extract pennies at most. If you insist on electing a tax and spend government, be aware the taxation will fall to you – as it always does. Or if you are young, you will pay for the ensuing debt later on.

Icing on the cake will be your lower wages as the job market becomes a cesspool full of garbage jobs with everyone fighting for the table scraps.

There was an article on the CBC about 368 menial government jobs being posted in India. These jobs were bottom end, and required a grade 5 education.

2.3 million people applied…

Many immigrants who came here are throwing in the Towel, and heading back to places just like that.

The younger you are, the more important these going concerns are to you. Us “rich” old guys are already set, it’s the youth that will take the fall.

——————————————

The stage has already been set and it really doesn’t much matter which party gets in and which party gets the boot. One party may or may not prolong the inevitable, but the inevitable is going to happen, in my lifetime, barring some tragic accident or illness, our financial system and debt based economy is going to collapse. It has to, and it has been designed to by greedy central bankers and sleazy politicians

It’s mathematically unavoidable, and math doesn’t lie.

Tis the universal language

I feel like now is the time for real change, a change that disconnects us from the phoney money that central banks print. Like all other paper currencies it follows, it is bound to become worthless. Central banks are already hinting toward printed money being too much of a hassle to deal with as they would rather just fudge the numbers completely digitally.

Things are messy.

I am far from a rich corporation, I simply incorporated to get a better gig and avoid paying taxes. Taxes that I am oddly enough in favour to increase.

I feel like it is time for the younger generations to wake up and become more engaged in their future, and take control of their own destiny. I also feel like it’s time for the ‘rich’ older generations to reflect on the blessings they have had, and extend a hand to those less fortunate.

For it is not all about the money.

Its about a healthy functioning community to live in. Voting simply for tax relief is no different than voting for social handouts, they’re just opposite spectrums of the same F’d up system

Me. While I’m just a guy stuck in the middle who has spent most of his life swimming against the current. I have however learned, that swimming against the current is exhausting and you really doesn’t get you anywhere.

I am ready for real change and and understand that real change will not be achieved by simply checking a box on a ballot

#234 Country Girl on 09.23.15 at 9:45 pm

#214 NDP man on 09.23.15 at 9:17 pm

“A report in February from the parliamentary budget officer, Jean-Denis Frechette, suggested doubling the TFSA annual limit to $11,000 could cost governments $39.3 billion by 2080 with benefits skewing towards higher income, higher wealth and older households.”
From: http://tinyurl.com/nquqtjg

#235 Washed Up Lawyer on 09.23.15 at 9:49 pm

At least in Alberta we have our priorities straight.

October 19 pales in significance to October 17. The Battle of Alberta opens in Calgary and the Flames will deliver a hulminating defeat to the Oil (10:00 Eastern – 8:00 Mountain and 4:30 a.m. NL).

If on October 19 PMSH (Love/Hate) is the P.M., the CBC will be dismantled before the rematch on October 31 and we will not see that game on HNIC.

Then a rebellion will be a real possibility.

Wake up people.

#236 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 9:51 pm

#216 MF

Oh boy. I couldn’t pass on this without commenting. You made it too easy.

I’m sure this guy smokes something a lot stronger than hemp before he posts. Lots of stuff out there that can elicit delusional tendencies, paranoia, probably some hallucinations to boot.

MF

Young man you don’t know just how little you know about the way the world actually works. Once you understand you will realize just how naive you were

You should pay closer attention for soon you will see just who was the delusional one

#237 Freedom First on 09.23.15 at 9:54 pm

Have to add another factoid to my last comment. Just read another comment using the word your for you’re. This is also the 1000th day someone has done this.

To people who write like this, I think your all loosers.

#238 VanCity D-man on 09.23.15 at 10:00 pm

Here’s how I voted: no, no, no, no, no, yes, cons

#239 Frank on 09.23.15 at 10:04 pm

Harpers not as toast as you thought. The biggest saving grace for him is this Syrian refugee crisis. The largest voting block, boomers and seniors, are also the ones most resistant to change such as immigration. Younger voters, who are more ‘bleeding hearts’ don’t vote as often. Guess which candidates are courting which group.

The funny part is that 10 or 20 thousand refugees is nothing in a country of 32 million and the money required to help them is a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers involved with household debt or corporate tax hikes or day care programs or F-35 purchases. But it doesn’t matter this irrelevant (but important from a humanitarian point of view) issue will influence a lot of voters and I think for the CPC, it’ll get a lot of their traditional base back.

#240 45north on 09.23.15 at 10:07 pm

VJGoh: The Cons want to keep people in the dark–even themselves, so they can fail to act but claim ignorance–but that has real economic impact.

I just read Anne Kingston’s piece “Vanishing Canada”

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/vanishing-canada-why-were-all-losers-in-ottawas-war-on-data/

Ideals are the things which are making the data unavailable. One ideal is centralization – that is have one big central web site. This is supposed to save money. The reality is it supports a bigger bureaucracy.

Next ideal is bilingualism. Everything has to be in French. This is taken to ridiculous lengths: Here is an English page:
http://sis.agr.gc.ca/cansis/nsdb/ecostrat/index.html
and here’s the French:
http://sis.agr.gc.ca/siscan/nsdb/ecostrat/index.html

yet the French page doesn’t satisfy the bilingual requirement why? Because the url has “nsdb”. National Soil Data Base.

next are court cases that support access to data for the blind.

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2015/01/02/defiance/#comment-342790

if the standard says that all the data must be accessible to blind people then if you remove the data then the site is 100% compliant! that’s what is really happening!

Centralization, bilingualism and accessibility to the visually handicapped are ideals. These ideals are then translated into regulations which are administered by civil servants. Simplest thing in the world is to take down data that doesn’t meet the regulations.

I would like to see non-withstanding legislation that would allow the Canadian Soil Information Service to continue to publish and to address these ideals where practical.

#241 LL on 09.23.15 at 10:09 pm

156 – I say this poll is fixed even before the results are known.

I am agree.

And how is that? — Garth

#242 Paul on 09.23.15 at 10:15 pm

#213 BS on 09.23.15 at 9:12 pm

“Anyone who lived in BC during the 90s knows the NDP were a disaster.”

I moved from Ontario to BC in 97 and thought I’d gone to heaven. By 2003 it all went to hell.

#243 Love my Kia on 09.23.15 at 10:17 pm

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the survey! You should have more of them to take a temperature of the blog dogs. Right now all I read are the fun posters.

Give a man a gun, he robs a bank.
Give a man a bank, and he robs the world.

#244 raider on 09.23.15 at 10:22 pm

Hard to not vote like SmokingMan #2.

Stephen is the last person I’d vote for, but the local conservative MP is very good. The conservatives would fare so much better with fresh leadership rather than a rusty autocrat.

#245 Peter on 09.23.15 at 10:23 pm

Banned TED Talk: Nick Hanauer “Rich people don’t create jobs”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g

#246 Boombust on 09.23.15 at 10:29 pm

#229

Russ,

I’m a “Dipper”, too!

Now, buggar off.

#247 Kam on 09.23.15 at 10:32 pm

Politician in Canada are selling democracy for vote bank
politics.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/niqabs-allowed-during-citizenship-oath-181633276.html

NDP leader is trying to woo Muslims to win over Muslim vote bank. I am not anti-Muslim, but in democracy political leaders should not try to please one section of the community for religious reasons. Same rules and regulations should be applicable to everyone.
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/17/the-niqab-is-the-flag-of-islamis

You mean like publicly-funded Catholic schools? — Garth

#248 Bill on 09.23.15 at 10:33 pm

Yes to Harper.
If anyone thinks the government has anything to do with creating jobs or managing the economy. OMG
Its a business cycle period.
What they do know how to do is create more bureaucracy, increase gov size and insure their carrers. Oh ya increase taxes.
By far far the most damaging taxation increases to busness. The personal level it is less destructive but never the less still unpleasant. The real answer is of course REDUCE THE SIZE OF GOV. Its a win win but good luck with that.
And yes Garth the USA has the best economy hands down. Ive increased exposure on this sell
Off. Cheers

#249 iskandar on 09.23.15 at 10:34 pm

“Robin Hood” and “Santa Clause” are no prices, but voting the neocons back in power and expect anything to change for the better! we’ll be collectively declared as insane.

Garth
How is the impartiality of the vote count assured?

The program counts, I report. No filter. — Garth

#250 Washed Up Lawyer on 09.23.15 at 10:34 pm

Wait a minute!!! Ward Cornell has left the Gondola to go over to TSN???

If that is the case, Harper can kill the CBC. Who cares. Just show us the BOA.

What has happened to this country?

#251 meslippery on 09.23.15 at 10:42 pm

I voted for $15.00 only because $30.00 was not a option.
$30.00x 40 hrs = $1200.00 net $800.00 or so in your jeans.Yeah thats living like a king, So many will tell you.
No it is not. You would be very hard pressed @ that wage
to make a $10 000.00 TFSA investment annually.

#252 No Debt on 09.23.15 at 10:42 pm

#17 Kozman

What makes you so certain that the Smoking in Smoking Man refers to smoking tobacco?

#253 Obvious Truth on 09.23.15 at 10:43 pm

Election will likely give us minority rule. Means probably no policy changes. Sometimes gridlock is good.

The only question I’m looking forward to seeing the results on is the ‘hate harper’ one. That will be the tell as to how badly the cons get trounced on voting day. Loving the ‘nice hair’ spoof too.

The election after that I think starts to bring a real change in the political landscape. Maybe a greener landscape ??

#254 T.O Girl on 09.23.15 at 10:44 pm

Garth I couldn’t complete your survey. Not one of the parties stands with me on all the issues. You should have an Undecided option for the last question. ( But I guess that’s my problem). Insightful post.

#255 Lorne on 09.23.15 at 10:45 pm

#169 PeterfromCalgary
I am voting for whoever lets me put more money in my TFSA. That happens to be the Conservatives.

I know Harper is not perfect. However, I think of my TFSA as my baby. Don’t cut my baby in half!
…….
Is that what we cherish as the Canadian identity…putting more money in our pockets?? I would appreciate the $10 000 limit as well, but it is far from the most important issue in this election.

#256 michael on 09.23.15 at 10:47 pm

Hi Garth, I wanted to pen a response but Andrew Mitrovica did it so much better than I could. All other considerations pale beside the national need to assist the nice Mr Harper into another job. Ideally far, far from anywhere in or affecting Canada:

http://ipolitics.ca/2015/08/28/something-rotten-circling-the-drain-dissecting-the-duffy-scandal/?utm_content=buffer55533&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

#257 MediuBuff on 09.23.15 at 10:50 pm

I am a conservative, but I will not vote Conservative this time. Harper has built such a narrow party that it is becoming demographically irrelevant. They could spend 15 years in the wilderness, longer than the Chretien/Martin years. The country will be greatly damaged in the meantime, because Harper couldn’t refrain from hammering on every wedge he could find. Harper has failed even on his own terms: his long term goal – destroying the Liberals – is now lost to him.

As a civil libertarian, I dislike Harper’s instincts, and C-51 is an abomination, but not the first. I probably could have voted Liberal for the first time ever if they hadn’t dropped the ball on this one. Which is why the NDP will likely be getting my vote.

How did it ever come to this?

Not that my vote matters. My local NDP candidate will be lucky just to get his deposit back anyway.

#258 Herf on 09.23.15 at 10:56 pm

#63 IHCTD9

“With a few clicks of a mouse, or taps of a finger, oct19isntsoonenough could have learned that 300,000 jobs have left just a single province in the last decade or so.”

You’re probably referring to this report:

http://mowatcentre.ca/how-ontario-lost-300000-manufacturing-jobs/

also cited by Brian Lilley in his report at the following link.
http://www.therebel.media/trudeau_advisor_gerald_butts_green_energy_policies_cost_ontario_300_000_jobs_admits_liberal_think_tank

Butts says he/they want the Canadian economy to be totally carbon free by mid-century. Is he nuts?

Here’s a list of items that are derived from petroleum-based products:

http://www.oilandgasinfo.ca/oil-gas-you/products/

or try this one:

http://www.ranken-energy.com/products%20from%20petroleum.htm

What does Butts think will power large passenger and cargo aircraft of the future? Electricity (fed from 4,000 km long extension cords)? Or maybe storage batteries? Oops. Some of the best batteries currently in existence and probably well into the future that have the necessary high energy density to make them practical for powering high-drain loads, are lithium-ion, the kind used in laptops and cell phones. They’re also used in the Boeing 787 Dreamliner that caught fire in 2013 and grounded the 787 fleet:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-lithium-ion-batteries-grounded-the-dreamliner/

Never mind the fact lithium-ion batteries in any large size and/or quantity constitute “hazardous goods” and require special shipping procedures when shipped as cargo. Oh yeah. You need petroleum-based products to produce them. (Duh-uh).

I think the current crop of Liberals more closely resemble the NDP, past and present, what with their clueless and kooky environmental and social agendas.

#259 Rolex Von Chartrier on 09.23.15 at 10:56 pm

I am voting GREEN this election because I want the Conservatives to win and a vote for GREEN is ONE LESS vote for NDP and LIBERALS who will run this country into heavy heavy debts for my children and grandchildren to face in huge % to pay the debt and tiny % for services.

#260 bdy sktrn on 09.23.15 at 10:58 pm

#236 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 9:51 pm
#216 MF

Oh boy. I couldn’t pass on this without commenting. You made it too easy.

I’m sure this guy smokes something a lot stronger than hemp before he posts. Lots of stuff out there that can elicit delusional tendencies, paranoia, probably some hallucinations to boot.

MF

Young man you don’t know just how little you know about the way the world actually works. ….
————————
i’m not so young anymore and i am figuring it out.

what is certain is that guys like nosty , you and many others here are just plain batshit crazy paranoid.

#261 bdy sktrn on 09.23.15 at 10:58 pm

and i mean full on certified chemtrail looney.

#262 BRands on 09.23.15 at 11:00 pm

Thanks Garth.
This is a clever way to sort through the stance of the Greaterfool audience. I suspect that the comments are not a close representation of the views of most readers.
Looking forward to the results.

#263 Jeff B on 09.23.15 at 11:01 pm

Party allegiance? Is that when a person uncritically votes for the same party, election after election?

Seems like a mental disorder.

#264 Ponzius Pilatus on 09.23.15 at 11:09 pm

Giving the bias of the posters (mostly conservative farts) the outcome is predictable:
Harper 70%
Mulcair 20%
Trudeau 10%

#265 Chris on 09.23.15 at 11:11 pm

That was easy. Why cannot people vote in real elections online. It will probably double the turn out. That would be a huge improvement to the pathetic democratic process right now.

#266 Seanne Wallace on 09.23.15 at 11:12 pm

I’m Sheane’s siamese twin. He’s on the right side, I’m on the left.

I’m voting for my main man Tommy Mulcair. He’s taking a trip with his oodles of US dollars and voting for another great Canadian – Ted Cruz.

#267 Bobby on 09.23.15 at 11:13 pm

Bad idea to raise taxes on high income earners, we pay enough already, bad idea to tax corps more they will relocate head quarters to a tax haven plus they are the ones that are supplying a good number of well paid jobs, raising minimum wages will affect small business owners it will result in people being laid off and or businessess going out of business let the free market decide what the value of labor is, the GOV is seeing they’ll be able to squeeze more taxes outer of higher wages they could care less about low income earners. Why on earth would anyone vote to lose the TFSA benefit unless it upsets you that you cannot afford to pay into one. Why don’t we all quit working and producing so then we can let the GOV take care of all of us?

#268 Vanman on 09.23.15 at 11:20 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-fastest-growing-economy-1.3240828

#269 La Separatiste on 09.23.15 at 11:21 pm

Blasted Monsieur Turner! You left out ze Bloc Quebecois!! C’est la travastie!

#270 Berniebee on 09.23.15 at 11:25 pm

I too have a business to run, family to look after, a future to build.

The fiscal genius Conservatives couldn’t balance a budget for nine years in a row. But oh, come election time – they pull a “surplus” rabbit right out of their, er, hat.

Harper trashed the long form census, which was one of the more stupid Con ideas. (And that’s saying something.) Now we pay more money to private firms to give us worse information. And Statistics Canada? Budget cuts. That’s not helping my business.

Conservatives are leaving massive amounts of revenue on the table by not legalizing and taxing weed. (Actually, by not legalizing, they are shovelling money over to organized crime, but whatever.) Why? Because grizzled whisky dribbling reformers don’t approve of those hippy pot heads. So the Cons make a fact warping anti-pot commercial instead. Makes the base happy.

I’m tired of the shenanigans. Of opportunism instead of policy. Fiscally responsible? Sure, if you think encouraging the housing bubble is the sensible thing to do.

#271 MF on 09.23.15 at 11:30 pm

#236 SWL1976 on 09.23.15 at 9:51 pm

So I assume you are an all knowing force?

Face it, none of us knows for sure, including you.

I won’t stand idle when someone tries to poison other people’s minds with conspiracy theories though. Sometimes things just happen. We have to get used to it.

MF

#272 James on 09.23.15 at 11:35 pm

Going to vote Liberal since they’ll legalize weed, ending the modern prohibition that is feeding both organized and street crime the same way oil wells sustain ISIS. Economic benefit and social justice in one swipe. I’m going to go smoke a joint on Harper’s lawn in Calgary.

#273 The REAL Vanecdotal on 09.23.15 at 11:37 pm

#189 Vanecdotal

#221 Sheane Wallace

Not me either, multi-impostor troll having a conversation with themselves.

#274 Millmech on 09.23.15 at 11:38 pm

#251
I know lots of people who make around that and max it out.All about priorities,it’s only 25% of take home pay which is what everyone should be putting away for retirement.

#275 The REAL Vanecdotal on 09.23.15 at 11:39 pm

GT, looks like imposter troll posting under at least 4 aliases, and likely more, maybe time to boot them?

#276 Jon B on 09.23.15 at 11:44 pm

The final question in the survey is flawed. Just because independents don’t stand a chance of winning a seat, they should still be part of the list, not just the four main parties. This would demonstrate how many are fed up with the usual political gangs.

#277 CALGARY MARK on 09.23.15 at 11:47 pm

Hi Garth,

I think your blog rocks (despite my ultra-left wing views). But I hope you were not serious about banning commenter #25 for simply saying he won’t vote. Should someone vote if they truly dispose all options? This doesn’t indicate laziness. Even our beloved Canada, and evil side kick, America, abstain from voting all the time in the UN on extremely important issues.

Also, many people are voting for reasons other than economic… maybe correction facility/jail times are important, or Canada’s stance on ISIS or Syria. Maybe environmental issues, religious freedoms, gun laws, Marijuana laws, gay rights, school cirrI clumsy, or maybe personality… like the way Happy personally did you wrong. Maybe people feel that 4 terms is too many for anyone, no matter how good they are (Americans, as you know, are limited to two terms in leadership).

#278 Herf on 09.23.15 at 11:51 pm

#148 Linda

“I find it ironic that so many rail against government worker pension plans, but do not complain if the corporation they work for gets subsidies paid out of taxpayer dollars. Most recently the automakers, whose bail out did NOT save the jobs (at least, not for long) & the amounts paid would have covered each worker for 2 to 3 years of EI at the maximum amounts…..”

I don’t work for a corporation any longer and when I did, it was a Canadian subsidiary of a U.S.-based company. We obtained some government hand-outs (I’m not sure if they were grants or loans) to fund some of our technical R&D programs. The program I was on finished up successfully and the product hit the market and is still selling 20 years later in the form of a few next generation products. The other programs, not so much – from what I heard from a friend who still works there, product development on at least two other products eventually got cancelled because they turned out not to be practically viable in the real world and/or couldn’t get government certification. Such is the nature of R&D.

Should government have given us the money? Well, that is debatable. One can look back over the past 30 or 40 years to see how many times the feds have given out money to various industries (e.g. aerspace) for similar product development, etc., and wonder if the money was ever paid back to the tax payers. I think some critics have raised this issue, referring to government hand-outs as “corporate welfare”. I think there are arguments to be made for both government giving out hand-outs and for not giving them out.

When Ottawa (under Harper) and McGuinty gave GM and Chrysler the bail-outs in 2008/2009, they simultaneously denied giving a similar bail-out to Nortel. Nortel is now no more after having been around for over 100 years. Should they have received a bail-out? I’m not sure. Ottawa turned them down on the grounds that their need for a bail-out was caused by their own mismanagement (and GM and Chrysler’s situation wasn’t?).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/why-ottawa-turned-its-back-on-nortel/article4279987/

A recent report commissioned by former BCE CEO, Jean Monty and Ottawa U’s Telfer School of Management, came to similar conclusions:

http://sites.telfer.uottawa.ca/nortelstudy/

I guess the federal and Ontario governments figured that there were a lot more Ontario/Canadian jobs at stake with GM and Chrysler than with Nortel. But the demise of Nortel (and now uncertainty with Blackberry’s future) sure hasn’t helped the cause of the Canadian telecommunications technology sector and related spin-off companies. And after the bail-out, the fate of the auto industry in Ontario is still in question.

#279 MF on 09.23.15 at 11:54 pm

#239 Frank on 09.23.15 at 10:04 pm

Correct.

I completely oppose letting in a large amount of refugees from an area that is a hotbed of religious extremism for one.

But more importantly, I also know of a ton of hard working people already here in Canada waiting for their immigration papers to be processed. They live under constant fear of not getting the required paperwork done on time, and then facing deportation. The process takes years to complete and they wait patiently. Many are also exploited by their employers the whole time. They too, have risked everything to come here. This refugee issue is a slap in the face to these people and they oppose it too (they obviously can’t vote though).

Lastly, it’s pathetic watching the parties politicize it all for their own gain. Almost a joke watching Mulcair and Trudeau throw around numbers in the thousands like nothing. Harper is the only one who handled it properly IMO. He said “yes we will look into taking them in but only after they are screened as best we can”.

Should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

MF

#280 Enthalpy on 09.24.15 at 12:12 am

Timely article!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34321263

#281 Frank on 09.24.15 at 12:20 am

I wish more people were talking about marijuana legalization. I know the Libs support it but they’re too scared to talk it up. Colorado is printing money, we should pay attention.

Instead of bitching over what percent of money to move from who to who, why don’t we move it from illegal to legal and taxed and literally get free money for something people do anyways?

#282 nonplused on 09.24.15 at 12:31 am

Seriously needed a “none of the above” button.

When I see things like a former Prime Minister’s son able to actually win a party leadership and possibly an election, I start to think in the crazy part of my mind that maybe the world really is run by the illuminati or something. It shouldn’t be statistically possible otherwise. George Bush Senior and Junior, how is that possible? Are there no other candidates? And now a Clinton is back in the race? How? Something isn’t right.

#283 No It All Neil on 09.24.15 at 12:33 am

Politics is show business for ugly people.

#284 ozy - follow me on 09.24.15 at 12:45 am

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election
YES – from Not GOING TO VOTE to NDP – the 99% of the population – as for the 1% we know who they vote

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
NO – lucky owners will have $$$ eroded by hyper-inflation soon anyway

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
YES – quadruple it

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
YES – TRIPLE IT

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
NO WAY

Do you hate Stephen Harper? YES, of course

You intend to vote for – NDP of course

#285 @Stage1dave on 09.24.15 at 12:45 am

Yes, mint leaves will give your regular ‘baccy’ a nice menthol taste but you have to worry about possible side effects. Had a buddy who tried that once and he no longer has to use Viagra as his doopy shriveled up and fell off….so not adviseable…

#286 will on 09.24.15 at 12:53 am

#30 – yes me too. I agree. I believe Trudeau has more intellectual backing behind him. Harper has only ideologues behind him. Mulcair is centre. Ideological but smarter and democratic where harper is not. I’m voting for the conservative party which in this case is the party that calls themselves Liberals. They are actually quite conservative. The harper regime is conservative in name only. (did I say this before? )

#287 BC Guy on 09.24.15 at 1:17 am

“There aren’t enough rich people to milk, for example. Overtaxed corps will just move.”

Great! Let the Walmart billionaire and Saudi prince who own 100,000 hectare ranches in BC sell and move! Whoopee! Can’t wait! Good riddance!

Tax the largest landholders til they sell! Then subdivide the land into smaller lots and sell to average Canadians.

Land reform through taxation!

#288 Ralph Cramdown on 09.24.15 at 1:50 am

I don’t understand. If I vote the Canadian straight ticket (no-no-no-yes-no), there’s two questions left over at the end.

#289 Ryan on 09.24.15 at 2:04 am

Garth you need some more choices I’ve never had an allegiance to any party. Anyways my choices are all over the map. I feel like a neocon socialistic fiberal. Just goes to the show the lack of good candidates from any of the parties.

#290 souvereigninternatinal on 09.24.15 at 2:12 am

“You intend to vote for –
CONSERVATIVE
NDP
LIBERAL
GREEN”

Garth can you not discriminate with this question and include us tinfoil hats, doomers, global warming deniers, anti-goverment anarcho-capitalists on this one with choices below:

LIBERTARIAN
ACTION PARTY
NONE OF THE ABOVE
WILL VOTE BY NOT VOTING (nonparticipation vote)

#291 jane 24 on 09.24.15 at 2:22 am

Garth you missed out two other parties in your list.

1. The Apathy Party – who will be the guarateed winner

2. The No One is Worthy of My Valued Vote Party – which is who I would vote for if I was still in Canada.

Talk about lack of choice – a nutter, an entitled Red Prince or established corruption. All three offering financial ruin. Canada will go down but have faith the natural cycle will bring it back up again.

BBC News was laugh last night as Mother Merkel tried to uninvite the world from moving to Germany. Also an item on a Syrian refugee family being chosen to move
to Sask but not being able to get a straight answer from the Canadian Embassy about what the winters were like. When they asked on camera, they were told that the summers were lovely. Obviously after one winter they will move to TO!!

#292 souvereigninternatinal on 09.24.15 at 2:24 am

No minimum wage at all. Everybody gets the guaranteed income let’s say 1200-1600$ month and compete in real market with real skills after that. No welfare, no gov. pensions, no related overhead. In coming technology age most current jobs will be obsolete. End job slavery. Work if you want to or volunteer.

#293 Freedom First on 09.24.15 at 2:29 am

#197 Daisy Mae

First, I always enjoy your comments.

Second. To your Post today, Garth didn’t. Respectfully, Freedom first.

#294 souvereigninternatinal on 09.24.15 at 2:44 am

Re.: “#22 TomC on 09.23.15 at 11:30 am

Hey Garth,

Any chance you can amend the “Who are you going to vote for?” question to include “No one” or at least “None of the above”?

Nope. Because that is not a valid democratic option. — Garth

Oh , yes it is Garth. To the contrary in so called democratic or free country we should have a choice to exercise our rights (or not). That includes all choices that do not interfere with freedom of others to do the same. And yes YOU ARE FREE on your blog to ignore the choices others may make in your survey. But to ignore the fact that they will make those choices is close minded, akin to the current status quo election itself.

#295 Russ on 09.24.15 at 3:03 am

#246 Boombust on 09.23.15 at 10:29 pm
Russ,
I’m a “Dipper”, too!
Now, buggar off.
==================================

Hey Boombust,
It’s not gonna happen. I’ve been hanging around here for quite a while now.

Now, regarding your name… let me get this straight so I can understand your anger:
You’re a boomer who is busted and you support NDP?

It’s okay, you’re probably more normal than I.

As a late boomer (closer to the 1960 mark) I made the 1% club supporting a stay-at-home Mom without the benefit of TFSA or income splitting, only RRSP, talent and living within our means.
I really dislike that the Dippers want to spread my nut-gathering around to the lamers I grew up with.

Plus, my Mom thinks I’m super intelligent whereas yours thinks you’re special.

BTW, your wit and response is better suited to something like the Sailing Anarchy site.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=160467&page=3&hl=tits#entry5073972

#296 every well has been posioned on 09.24.15 at 3:37 am

there is a lot to hate

hst, train explosion hoax , fake rcmp shootings, fake parliament shootings to justify c51
if anyone questions the shootings harpo will refer you to the the rcmp, your television set, lying witnesses, MSM etc. and no opponents question any of it, MSM lies are even regurgitated from church pulpits,
‘the united nations is not in the gospels’
the real problem is that none of the above originate in the mind of steven harper

#297 earthboundmisfit on 09.24.15 at 6:04 am

I like Tom, but the pickings are mighty slim for cabinet material. Justin might not have the experience but he has some good people in caucus on whom he can rely. By all measures, none more so than his distain for democracy and the utter lack of transparency in government, Harpo has been a disaster. If the progressives in the party, (eg. Mike Chong), could wrestle control back from the oil besotted Reformacons, I might return to the PC fold. Yes, the loss of TFSA room kind of pisses me off but there are bigger and more important things to consider. The Boy gets my vote this time around.

#298 Grantmi on 09.24.15 at 6:53 am

#33 S.Bby on 09.23.15 at 12:21 pm
I tried to vote here but got an error saying only one submission per user. But this was my first vote.

Your landlord up stairs voted using your wifi signal…

#299 Nick on 09.24.15 at 7:02 am

Checks blood…still red, Voting Liberal. Of course, I’m an expat, persona-non-grata. Can’t vote! So I will encourage anyone who will listen to reason, vote Liberal or NDP. Lets take back Canada.

#300 saskatoon on 09.24.15 at 7:32 am

#292 souvereigninternatinal

“End job slavery. Work if you want to or volunteer.”

job slavery?

no one forces anyone to “work” in canada.

you can ALREADY work if you want, or volunteer, or do nothing.

typical inverted government bootlickin’ illogic.

#301 Ralph Cramdown on 09.24.15 at 7:33 am

#258 Herf — “Butts says he/they want the Canadian economy to be totally carbon free by mid-century. Is he nuts? […] What does Butts think will power large passenger and cargo aircraft of the future? Electricity (fed from 4,000 km long extension cords)? Or maybe storage batteries? Oops. […] I think the current crop of Liberals more closely resemble the NDP, past and present, what with their clueless and kooky environmental and social agendas.”

I didn’t read any of those reports, but why so pessimistic?

How did we go from a civilization that pointed at the moon, set a goal of putting a man on it in ten years, and did it (with technology that is now 50 years old), to one where the goal of not fouling our own nest is said to be hopelessly unachievable? We’ve already flown a 747 on biofuel. We’ve already got 430km/h passenger trains. People are already driving electric cars. If we can advance knowledge and engineering as much in the next 35 years as we have in the last 35, our accomplishments could be limited only by physics. But the first and most important ingredient in failure is to convince ourselves that success is impossible. Well done, sir.

#302 Centre-ville on 09.24.15 at 7:37 am

I can’t believe some people would consider keeping Harper on board. Stockholm syndrome much?

#303 LL on 09.24.15 at 7:40 am

156 – I say this poll is fixed even before the results are known.

I am agree.

And how is that? — Garth

I am thinking not about Garth poll, but next election leader.
Next Canadien leader is probably already chosen.
I just noticed #156 talk about “this poll”.
I am talking about next election.

#304 davikk on 09.24.15 at 7:40 am

Canada’s Retail Prices Jump the Most in “Over a Decade”. Sudden, Sharp Pain At The Cash Register.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/canadas-retail-prices-jump-the-most-in-over-a-decade-sudden-sharp-pain-at-the-cash-register/

#305 IHCTD9 on 09.24.15 at 7:41 am

#95 oct19isntsoonenough on 09.23.15 at 3:33 pm

Hmmm, who has been in power federally for the last 10 years? That’s what we’re talking about, right, the federal election?

I guess we should just continue along the same exact path and hope the result is different. fingers crossed!

Hey, let’s knock another point off the GST too! Genius! The economy will be super charged with everyone paying less taxes #failedpolicies #pandering #10moreyears!
____________________________________________

I see,

One minute it’s “Frequently cited, rarely observed. Fear mongering.”

When confronted with reality its “Oh yeah, I guess it is frequently cited and frequently observed – but now it’s Harpers fault.”, (followed by more tripe).

A few more clicks would have unveiled the following:

Ontario Manufacturing has shrunk 30% since the Liberals gained power in Ontario.

Manufacturing sector business investment has shrunk 50% since the Liberals have gained power in Ontario.

300,000 (and counting) manufacturing jobs have been lost since the Liberals gained power in Ontario.

Ontario’s debt has climbed to top the list of any sub sovereign jurisdiction anywhere in the entire world since (you guessed it) the Libs moved in back in 2003.

As we near an era of increasing costs of borrowing, Ontario’s debt currently requires over 10 Billion per year to service.

Wynne’s klutz like management of the problems facing workers in Ontario includes:

Selling Hydro One to the private sector (costs up again)

Adding new cost burdens on business and taxpayers in the form of the ORRP

More burdens on business and taxpayers in the form of a Carbon Tax scheme.

More near future tax burdens for Millenials and youth in general via increased public sector compensation.

Ontario has not had a triple A credit rating in 27 years – 20 of those last 27 years had the Lib’s or NDP at the helm.

Now, imagine increasing the cost of business once more in the form of additional tax coming from the feds. How about a cash stricken province that is now morally obliged to pony up 40% of Mulcair’s daycare scheme? How about more taxes on individuals in a province where near 1 million are out of work?

I hope you don’t live in Ontario, and aren’t less than 40 years old…

#306 busman7 on 09.24.15 at 8:23 am

Will you be changing party loyalty YES

Should taxes be raised for wealthy YES

Do you hate Harper YES!!!

Voting Liberal

Question that should have been added: Are you a less than 5 year expat jumping through the hoops to vote from abroad? YES

If yes to the above, why? So I have the right to comment, regardless of the outcome!

#307 broader mind on 09.24.15 at 8:32 am

You’re all being fooled.Not one of the parties want to actually win this election.The Tories move to leave Harpie as their leader is largely sacrificial.The parties are in a battle to be the official opposition.The winner faces a housing bust and a low commodity cycle.The winner will be tarred and feathered.The wise man lives to fight another day.

#308 Tony on 09.24.15 at 8:39 am

Looks like the Canadian dollar is falling again today due to the cut in Norwegian interest rates.

#309 Steve French on 09.24.15 at 8:42 am

Yo Smoking Man:

I’m in the Big Mango.

Bangkok baby.

Wonder what sort of trouble one could get up to in this town.

#310 Nick on 09.24.15 at 8:50 am

Actually, the unending flow of negative economic indicators would normally be a bad thing….but it only makes the CONS look all the worse. Bring on record low CAD$!

#311 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 8:53 am

271 MF

So I assume you are an all knowing force?

Face it, none of us knows for sure, including you.

I won’t stand idle when someone tries to poison other people’s minds with conspiracy theories though. Sometimes things just happen. We have to get used to it.

MF

Bold statement

#260 bdy sktrn

i’m not so young anymore and i am figuring it out.

what is certain is that guys like nosty , you and many others here are just plain batshit crazy paranoid.

Resorting to calling people names shows your ignorance towards reality

Crazy compared to who?

The herd buying million dollar shacks believing what they see on tee vee?

I think I just answered my own question

Enjoy the illusion

#312 pbrasseur on 09.24.15 at 8:57 am

Our productivity sucks, demographics sucks, we’re drowning in debt and the commodities cycle is reversing. In other words we have almost no margin for error.

I don’t think there was ever a worse moment to elect a leftist/anti-capital government in Canada.

This could become very interesting!

#313 Smoking Man on 09.24.15 at 9:00 am

#309 Steve French on 09.24.15 at 8:42 am
Yo Smoking Man:

I’m in the Big Mango.

Bangkok baby.

Wonder what sort of trouble one could get up to in this town.
…….

Ha, don’t know, don’t tell anyone you’ve been to Pat pong.

Go to pattia beach. 2 hour drive. Nice there.

#314 The Other Chris on 09.24.15 at 9:04 am

@258 Herf:

Gerald Butts is the primary reason I’m an “anything but Liberal” voter this time around. I don’t agree with any of his extreme views on energy policy, his record in running policy for McGuinty’s Ontario government speaks for itself, and he also comes across as a massive a**hole on Twitter.

It’s a major bad sign that Trudeau chose him to be his top advisor.

#315 LowRent of Arabia on 09.24.15 at 9:13 am

Ex pat Disclaimer!

I just voted Garth but I am at Oktoberfest during the Islamic Eid holiday.

I am not allowed to vote says Harper because I left Canada ten years ago to make some tax free cash…so even though I voted for him you have to subtract one vote from his total.

Let colonel Russell Williams the rapist have my vote in Oct. He is a better Canadian than us expats because he chooses to stay in Canada, in prison mind you.

#316 TPiddy on 09.24.15 at 9:15 am

One key thing for me in this election is electoral reform, which Mulcair promises to deliver in the form of proportional representation.

If that means I have to put up with higher taxes for a term, then sure.

I also don’t think that raising the corporate tax rate by a little bit will hurt all that much. So long as we remain competitive with economies of similar sizes our lower dollar would make up the gap for most corps.

#317 Londoner on 09.24.15 at 9:28 am

I can’t vote – don’t live in Canada anymore. Seems to be a driving a wedge between the haves and the have nots. Hopefully the Cons can pull in a majority like they did in the UK. But it’s highly unlikely. Looks like this election is going to the peasants.

“Debut d’une lutte prolongee”

#318 Really Bytor? on 09.24.15 at 9:31 am

#202 Bytor the Snow Dog

OMG, I’m so happy you finally got to post that enlightened comment. Thank you Wise One for insisting.

#319 Holy Crpa Wheres The Tylenol on 09.24.15 at 9:33 am

#149 Smoking Man on 09.23.15 at 7:06 pm
#140 Greg on 09.23.15 at 6:36 pm
A problem with your poll Garth. I could vote twice using a VPN. Didn’t tho.
One vote per IP address. — Garth
….
Ha I could vote again, ON Senica WiFi at moment, on Monday I’ll be in mass a two shits. Well that’s how I pronounce it.
But being the honest bastard that I am.. Won’t vote twice, that would be so wrong.
____________________________________________
Have fun in the Bay State, they only have as many people in the entire state as the GTA. It is a very pretty place Smoking Man, Do Fenway next spring, Boston Common, Cape Cod, Martha’s Vineyard, Salem, Freedom Trail, Nantucket, Faneuil Hall, Paul Reveres Home, Battleship Cove. Lots to do and a ton of history. Been there many times. My wife’s relatives came over from Ireland to Boston back in the 1950’s. A good portion of the city is Irish decent, so be careful how you drink with at the bahs. They like to fight! Oh and if someone says your “Wicked Bad”, it means your cool or OK. One last thing they don’t have LCBO stores ask for the packie!
“best regahds”

#320 CyberNomad on 09.24.15 at 9:43 am

The best possible outcome for me would be a non-Conservative minority government. I want Harper and any remaining acolytes eviscerated from my party. There will be no going back, dirty tactics and skeazy ways and means will be too tempting to use in the future by all parties, but I want to send Harper on his way in the most appropriate way; unloved and demeaned. And perhaps a message will be sent to the Politicos, that even with minimal legislative limits, the country can find a way to constrain tyrants. That is the hope of this naive optimist.

#321 Soylent Green is People on 09.24.15 at 9:45 am

I highly recommend this Canadian activist organization called @Leadnowca – 75,000+ Canadians joined just in 2011. As of Fall 2015, they have 450,000+ members.

Once you join, they send out very specific emails to you that help you easily protest the many HarperCON policies designed to destroy Canada’s 99% in favour of the 1% oily Kochs.

Click link, scroll down a bit on the left hand side to enter your email addy.

http://www.leadnow.ca/en/index

Leadnow.ca mailing list has increased from 5,000 in the run-up to the 2011 Federal election to more than 450,000 – much of the growth resulting from its campaigns against what it considers Harper Conservative “anti-democratic” omnibus bills.

3/4 of the group’s funding — it spent $1,126,000 in 2014 — comes from individuals, including 2,000 monthly donations of $50 or less that Jamie Biggar describes as its financial “bedrock.” The group does not accept money from political parties, he said.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/armed-with-a-450000-member-mailing-list-group-mobilizes-against-tories-in-swing-ridings

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#322 Randy on 09.24.15 at 9:59 am

….the socialist parties in Canada and their Union leaders, left-wing unionized media and corrupt unionized propagandist teachers/educators have become the proponents of status quo…just look to Ontario.

#323 Souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 10:02 am

To all those that vote based on TFSA limit.How about a novel idea. Why not have all savings and investments tax free. That is like having unlimited TFSA. Bonus savings – no need to employ people to administer the program. People should think start thinking beyond the box of our political and economic status quo. Example: When people ask me what I think about Gay Marriage, I say I’m against it. I quickly add (before they unleash) that I’m against all marriage. In fact marriage should have nothing to do with the government but more of a religious matter etc. Government should get out of doling out privileges and just make sure that our rights are not trumpled upon. We should be treated equally as individuals (humans). These bums should not be in control of our finances, beliefs and our bodies. THINK FREEDOM FIRST.

#324 johnsaccy on 09.24.15 at 10:07 am

I suggest that you not include the result of which party you would be voting for, while presenting other results.

People may have voted in the office, at home, through mobile or other smart devices.

It does not capture the essence of one vote.

#325 Bytor the Snow Dog on 09.24.15 at 10:08 am

@318 Really Bytor-

The original version was much better. Garth made me take the good stuff out.

#326 elcid on 09.24.15 at 10:12 am

The system didn’t allow me to vote…error message saying I can only vote once but it was the first time

#327 Daisy Mae on 09.24.15 at 10:16 am

#47: “I say you take off the IP block….abuse can happen anyway, and the IP block potentially prevents multiple people from the same household from voting…or same work site.”

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As Garth says, it’s just an ‘exercise’. It will be interesting but it’s not binding. Altho’ we don’t need to be childish, some will be.

#328 reader on 09.24.15 at 10:31 am

Garth, this article is not available in the RSS feed (http://www.greaterfool.ca/feed/) Is it intentional or an error?

Are you trying to give me a heart attack? We need you to keep this blog alive forever.

Have a good one

#329 LL on 09.24.15 at 10:38 am

#263 – Party allegiance? Is that when a person uncritically votes for the same party, election after election?

Seems like a mental disorder.

LOL..Good one!

#330 RyYYZ on 09.24.15 at 10:39 am

I do take issue with this question:

“Will you be switching party allegiance in this election”

I’ve never had any. I’ve always voted whatever way seemed best to me in each election. Depending on the circumstances that has at time meant Liberal, NDP, PC, or Conservative.

Political parties may be a necessary evil, but I have no idea why anyone outside the political process would have an allegiance to one of them.

#331 Bottoms_Up on 09.24.15 at 10:50 am

#323 Souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 10:02 am
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Taxing capital gains is a significant source of revenue for the government, or else they wouldn’t be doing it.

I agree that giving individuals greater access to tax-free accounts is in the best interest of the individual. However, the fact of the matter is most Canadians are tapped out, and are not contributing to their TFSAs. SO, the limit increase is seen as a ‘gift to the rich’ (even though technically it is a gift to all Canadians).

Maybe a better approach is to recognize that in general the people that are maxing out TFSAs are wealthy, and thus in upping the limit there needs to be a different sort of tax to offset this ‘gift’?

#332 pbrasseur on 09.24.15 at 10:54 am

My prediction:

A PC minority

Harper would quit and be replaced while we (probably) would escape socialist evil!

NDP or Libs governement or coalition (formal or not) would be a disaster.

#333 Blacksheep on 09.24.15 at 10:55 am

Chris # 265,

“That was easy. Why cannot people vote in real elections online. It will probably double the turn out. That would be a huge improvement to the pathetic democratic process right now.”
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Yes, vote via computer, online, great idea….

I’m sure Diebold (or VW?) has got some software for that.

But don’t be surprised when the incumbent sweeps to power, with 100% voter turnout.

Stick to paper, with names and the ability to recount, if so required.

#334 MF on 09.24.15 at 11:04 am

“Resorting to calling people names shows your ignorance towards reality

Crazy compared to who?

The herd buying million dollar shacks believing what they see on tee vee?

I think I just answered my own question

Enjoy the illusion”

Crazy compared to a normal, rational, sane person who is not paranoid.

I say rational and sane because logic dictates that there is no proof in what you write aside from some sketchy websites. Plus obviously if you read it on tha interwebz it must be true because MY website is more truthful than yours. What those authors don’t have anything to gain from their articles either? I read one of those posts. Look an awful lot like there is a political/religious/and national bias to me.

Then, as if you are some all knowing being, you pass this off to the rest of us as truth and then proudly proclaim that everyone else “doesn’t get it”. Please.

Like I said many times before. If those websites have the inside scoop then can you refer to them and tell us when TPTB enginner:

1) The day oil begins to recover so we can buy in just before
2) The month housing will collapse here in the GTA so we can get ready
3) When the Blue Jays will win the pennant so we can bet on pro line
4) The next Apple type company so we can buy in now

As for chem trails. Lol i looked that up. There is a Wiki article on it. So either those trails are a massive government covert operation where they are enlisting the help of thousands of pilots, chemists etc. and spraying unknown chemicals into the air over urban centers while not one person notices or has an adverse drug reaction OR they are just normal water vapour emitted from Jet engines. What is more logical? I go with the latter.

The people you mention buying million dollar shacks, actually they are almost always the ones who distrust any market other than real estate with their money. Garth has wrote about this again and again. They will usually point to 1929 or 2008 as their logic why.

MF

#335 John Prine on 09.24.15 at 11:05 am

Interesting news story this morning, Calgary bylaw officers removing NDP signs. Sign of the future for Canada?

#336 MF on 09.24.15 at 11:06 am

That last message was directed towards

#311 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 8:53 am

MF

#337 Tyler Durden on 09.24.15 at 11:11 am

Your poll has no option for us who don’t plan on voting….

No vote, no influence, no credibility, no right to complain or comment. — Garth

#338 Vanman on 09.24.15 at 11:22 am

http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/9/24/NDP-plan-to-boost-tax-on-stock-options-seen-stunting-Canada-tech.aspx

#339 dosouth on 09.24.15 at 11:29 am

Joe Oliver says there is NO recession….we are certainly fools.

#340 Vanman on 09.24.15 at 11:34 am

“The greater Vancouver area saw its busiest quarter for commercial real estate in five years earlier this year, according to a new report.”

http://www.vancouversun.com/sign+slowdown+vancouver+commercial+real+estate+sales/11387228/story.html?__lsa=36dd-f7f1

#341 Daisy Mae on 09.24.15 at 11:34 am

#47: “I say you take off the IP block….abuse can happen anyway, and the IP block potentially prevents multiple people from the same household from voting…or same work site.”

****************

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry! Hmmm, that IS abit of a problem.

#342 souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 11:55 am

To #331 Bottoms_Up on 09.24.15 at 10:50 am wrote:

#323 Souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 10:02 am
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Taxing capital gains is a significant source of revenue for the government, or else they wouldn’t be doing it.

I agree that giving individuals greater access to tax-free accounts is in the best interest of the individual. However, the fact of the matter is most Canadians are tapped out, and are not contributing to their TFSAs. SO, the limit increase is seen as a ‘gift to the rich’ (even though technically it is a gift to all Canadians).

Maybe a better approach is to recognize that in general the people that are maxing out TFSAs are wealthy, and thus in upping the limit there needs to be a different sort of tax to offset this ‘gift’?
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You missed my point, methinks. Smoking Man is there any point of teaching freedom to the “schooled”? Government could stop taxing and just issue currency for their expences all together. But they preferred to have it complicated for a reason. Bread & Circuses my friend…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

https://mises.org/library/ten-books-state

http://www.rooshv.com/we-are-nothing-more-than-distracted-sheep-in-the-real-game-of-power

#343 Mister Obvious on 09.24.15 at 11:58 am

#323 Souvereigninternational

In fact marriage should have nothing to do with the government but more of a religious matter etc.
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The other way around I’d say.

If no children are produced then the government’s only business in marriage has to do with equitable pension distribution, survivorship rights and ensuring dependent spouses are treated fairly after divorce. This is boring but important legal stuff where religionists have no role.

When children are involved, the last bastion of child advocacy is often the government. That’s not to say they always do the job well but some agency must step in when marriage breakdown issues overshadow the needs of powerless children. History tells us that religionists have a rather poor track record in that department too.

So yeah, the government has at least some functional role in marriage. The church? well… once the pompous ceremony in that grand cathedral is over and the caterers are paid, their work is just about done.

#344 souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 12:05 pm

No vote, no influence, no credibility, no right to complain or comment. — Garth

No right to complain WTH. Let’s vote and let’s vote to take away rights to complain from the ones who did not vote in our “democracy”. I will most likely not vote and I still have the right to complain/free speech notwithstanding Garth’s opinion.

Can you just stick to real estate and diversified investing?

#345 souvereigninternational on 09.24.15 at 12:15 pm

at #343 Mister Obvious on 09.24.15 at 11:58 am wrote:

#323 Souvereigninternational

In fact marriage should have nothing to do with the government but more of a religious matter etc.
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The other way around I’d say.

If no children are produced then the government’s only business in marriage has to do with equitable pension distribution, survivorship rights and ensuring dependent spouses are treated fairly after divorce. This is boring but important legal stuff where religionists have no role.

When children are involved, the last bastion of child advocacy is often the government. That’s not to say they always do the job well but some agency must step in when marriage breakdown issues overshadow the needs of powerless children. History tells us that religionists have a rather poor track record in that department too.

So yeah, the government has at least some functional role in marriage. The church? well… once the pompous ceremony in that grand cathedral is over and the caterers are paid, their work is just about done.
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What I was saying is that who I marry and have relationships with should not be involving the government. Nothing to do with children.Read below link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_privatization

#346 Across the Pond on 09.24.15 at 12:28 pm

I voted no for all of the questions – and hate for Harper. I don’t have my citizenship yet (so cannot vote) – however, despite the far more sound economic policies of the Conservative government (save for a few vote-buying hiccups) – I could not bring myself to contribute to Harper being re-elected. He has damaged the fabric of Canadian political society – and just as abhorent for a small c conservative, will leave an absolute waste-ground for the grassroots of the party once he vacates the leader’s position.

I came to Canada a few years ago to live in one of the most respected, mediating countries in the world. I would love to finally live there.

#347 Dup on 09.24.15 at 12:30 pm

Hate is a strong word Garth. Harper is not that bad…you would probably do the same if you were in his shoes.

#348 Its Complicated on 09.24.15 at 12:49 pm

Screw special treatment of capital gains, dividends, etc. I’d like to see all forms of income treated the same way, i.e. as personal income, and bringing the tax rate down collectively across the board. Why isn’t this ever an election promise by the cons? Oh yeah, they love incentives that preserve inequality!

#349 T D on 09.24.15 at 12:51 pm

No vote also means not voting against somebody (as you prescribe) and not voting for somebody that doesn’t deserve it. (This is especially important in democracies where parties get taxpayer $ based on number of votes obtained).
By not choosing among (bad)options we are still making a choice. 0!
This is why its important to track people’s apathy as well as it also tells you something about the country and faith in its politics. But it’s your blog at the end of the day.

#350 Jeff on 09.24.15 at 1:05 pm

I always vote for as small of a government as possible. Because I don’t agree with most people, thereby socialism doesn’t work for me.

I do think this will be an election for the masses, so I expect a NDP or Liberal victory, but I will be voting Conservative. Hoping to have a libertarian party here someday though.

#351 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 1:13 pm

#334 MF

I don’t cliam to hold any truths. I simply point out simple observations of the world around me.

I need not an authority figure to tell me how it is

#352 IHCTD9 on 09.24.15 at 1:25 pm

#131 RayofLight on 09.23.15 at 6:17 pm

I use to cringe when PM Chretien actually left the county and represented Canadians in Global summits. Remember the beautifully clear Liberal circular logic “The proof is the proof, and when you have the proof, you don’t need the proof”
WTF?
____________________________________________

Did not think much of him until the Shawinigan Handshake incident, after which I had a certain appreciation for him.

“What could I do, he was in my way…” :)

#353 Ogopogo on 09.24.15 at 1:28 pm

A screaming, foam-at-the-mouth, slow mo (like in the movies) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO at the TFSA rollback.

Still not voting Con, of course. I’m willing to personally suffer to see my country rescued from the party of knuckle-draggers.

#354 NoName on 09.24.15 at 1:37 pm

#350 Jeff on 09.24.15 at 1:05 pm

pfft Libertarian party…

Watch this you might change you mind on Libertarian party and just might become self proclaimed (noun) Liberal, its kind of liberating…

https://youtu.be/-EYM8sQlMic?t=10s

#355 saskatoon on 09.24.15 at 1:47 pm

#337 Tyler Durden

“No vote, no influence, no credibility, no right to complain or comment.” — Garth

in other words:

one is only “free” to vote insofar as one votes FOR government.

No, you are voting for representation. — Garth

#356 Facts to Share on 09.24.15 at 1:53 pm

So…the Pope and Obama agree that capitalism is the devils ‘shite’…..good start for a global recovery. Hillary is screaming no to Canadian oil…and Alberta’s premier is barking like a trained seal…..good start for a Canadian recovery. Yellin has been to the WH 43 times in the past 12 months…and the ZIRP in place is supposed to be showing signs of recovery…it’s not…we’re going sideways down as more people are put on welfare training , food stamps, and long term disability to avoid having to show the reality. Obama just doesn’t want the crash to interfere with his ‘legacy’. It’s all a fake.

The Chinese are the only ones sayin it like it is….it’s awful and we’re devaluing our currency.

BTW….the Clown Prince Poloz is overseeing a $C collapse worse than anything in two decades. Apparently there’s lots of money to subsidize the civil service…but none for manufacturing to buy new and efficient equipment.

Trudeau, Notley, Wynne and Mulcair all have plans to strangle Canadians with even higher taxes…no talk of reigning in spending on civil service pensions.

The Dollar Store is now the Four Dollar Store. Seniors and working families are cleaning off the shelves at every food bank every day. Poloz has imported rampant inflation so that food and consumer products…like clothing are now unaffordable…..Value Village is the new destination for millenials.

Personal debt hit an all time high. It takes over 90% of income to afford a mortgage in a concrete coffin in Vancouver. I have Chinese Opera blasting through the window…..better than listening to BNN, CBC, CTV at least.

We’d better get used to a third world lifestyle. Apparently our politicians have decided that poor and hungry people are easier to manipulate.

#357 MoneyManDan on 09.24.15 at 2:08 pm

Electile Dysfunction – The inability to be aroused by any of the candidates.

#358 LL on 09.24.15 at 2:09 pm

355 – No, you are voting for representation. — Garth

I would vote for what I believe…
They are not there to represent us, to serve us anyway!

#359 Darren on 09.24.15 at 2:15 pm

Is this a social justice blog? Duh. — Garth

What a thoroughly repugnant reply.

Seems like the ONLY issue that matters to you Mr. Turner is money, and greed.

Surely you’ve figured out that those who wield political power greatly impact on SOCIAL issues too.

Jesus Turner, are you REALLY so narrow minded as to only consider monetary issues when voting?

Is money the only thing that matters to you?

Plus dogs and rational people. — Garth

#360 jess on 09.24.15 at 2:18 pm

short termism….
http://thetyee.ca/News/2015/09/23/Robert-Fisk-Moral-Power-Canada/
=========================
Want New Temporary Foreign Worker Data? Pay Up, Feds Say

Government vowed to post info each quarter, now says it costs cash.

By Jeremy J. Nuttall, Today, TheTyee.ca

======
Operation Ajax (1953)

In planning the operation, the CIA organized a guerrilla force in case the communist Tudeh Party seized power as a result of the chaos created by Operation Ajax. According to formerly “Top Secret” documents released by the National Security Archive, Undersecretary of State Walter Bedell Smith reported that the CIA had reached an agreement with Qashqai tribal leaders in southern Iran to establish a clandestine safe haven from which U.S.-funded guerrillas and intelligence agents could operate. …’

TPAJAX,

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
The National Security Archive
http://www.nsarchive.org/

#361 LL on 09.24.15 at 2:32 pm

Some are there to serve first their own interest.
How many scandals happened in the politic world?

It’s only my personal opinion.

If some wants to vote..no problem at all.
I will not try to convince them not to vote.
It’s personal I think.

#362 MF on 09.24.15 at 2:33 pm

#351 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 1:13 pm

Oh no? Well the guy you were defending against bdy sktrn sure acts like he knows the “truth”.

Now would you please tell me the truth about the current MLB season and who I can bet proline on?

MF

#363 MF on 09.24.15 at 2:37 pm

#356 Facts to Share on 09.24.15 at 1:53 pm

Seething with cynicism and sarcasm. I like it.

MF

#364 jess on 09.24.15 at 2:51 pm

defund the war machine!
=========================
http://www.tomdispatch.com/
SEAL Team 6
U.S. Special Ops Forces Deployed in 135 Nations
2015 Proves to Be Record-Breaking Year for the Military’s Secret Military
By Nick Turse

Special Operations Command’s funding, for example, has more than tripled from about $3 billion in 2001 to nearly $10 billion in 2014 “constant dollars,” according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO). And this doesn’t include funding from the various service branches, which SOCOM estimates at around another $8 billion annually, or other undisclosed sums that the GAO was unable to track. The average number of Special Operations forces deployed overseas has nearly tripled during these same years, while SOCOM more than doubled its personnel from about 33,000 in 2001 to nearly 70,000 now.

#365 Nintendo Gal on 09.24.15 at 2:55 pm

Love the TFSA limit being up there, but the whole social benefits calculation needs to be reworked to keep payments heading to lower income folk, not just low taxable income. The limit could stay up there or even rise more if that was reworked, but since it isn’t I voted to lower it.

I voted Green, because as my politically aware 13 year old kid said “Hey, give an unknown a chance, you might be surprised what what they can do.”

Turns out if you run an election campaign for too long, the kids get irked at all the blathering and it seeps into their brains and they form opinions. Right now, they seem to be universally opposed to the idiot who decided to run a long election campaign that keeps showing up on TV and Twitter feeds. Second is the ones who are on there too much. The Green Party seems to be irritating them the least.

Very informal poll on that.

#366 bill on 09.24.15 at 2:55 pm

#288 Ralph Cramdown on 09.24.15 at 1:50 am
hey Ralph -were you on the ski team by any chance?

#367 saskatoon on 09.24.15 at 3:04 pm

#365 Nintendo Gal

you know elizabeth may (green party leader) advocates a state-enforced two-child china-esque policy for canadian citizens?

but hey…let’s vote for an unknown and be surprised at what they can do!

#368 Mister Obvious on 09.24.15 at 3:10 pm

#348 Its Complicated

Screw special treatment of capital gains, dividends, etc. I’d like to see all forms of income treated the same way, i.e. as personal income, and bringing the tax rate down collectively across the board.
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It’s a shame we have to through this again.

In our society, capital risk is at the bottom of most citizen’s jobs. Some entity, be it human or incorporated company, takes a capital risk and creates one or more jobs. If that venture fails (as they very often do), the citizen is out of his job and the risk taker is out of his capital.

We need to offer incentive to the risk taker. That’s why there are tax breaks on capital gains and dividends (where there’s lots of capital risk). That’s why there are no tax breaks on interest and employment income (where there’s no capital risk).

The man in the street wants certainty. He prefers for someone else to take risks but resents it when those who do risk capital are rewarded.

#369 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 3:16 pm

#362 MF

Now would you please tell me the truth about the current MLB season and who I can bet proline on?

MF

Sure

Baseball is just another convenient distraction to keep the masses from understanding that the real game is being played on them

#370 Nagraj on 09.24.15 at 3:19 pm

CHANNEL ONE
we interrupt our scheduled program, “Waiting for the Poll”, for the following brief PIG-GATE NEWS FLASH

Ladies and Gentlemen: new reports indicate the pig head in question was NOT cooked, but raw, and held in the lap of another Piers Gaveston member while now current Brit PM David Cameron . . .

we now return you to our regularly scheduled program

CHANNEL TWO NEWSWIRE
Mr.Cameron has publicly referred to Lord Ashcroft as “a little prick”. Mr.Osborne was visibly discomfited by a pig-gate question. And Mr.Corbyn has said he finds possible illegality re Lord Ashcroft’s tax status interesting. Lord Ashcroft in turn has referred to Mr.Cameron as “a little prick.” Also, two men delivered a live pig to 10 Downing Str.

CBC HEADLINE
Canadians are nice people.

[Any Greater Fool blogdogs who are now or ever were Piers Gaveston members, please come forward now. NORA?]

#371 nubbers on 09.24.15 at 3:24 pm

When you say, ‘Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?’, do you mean raise corporation tax rates or preventing corporation tax avoidance?

If you raise corporate tax rates, you just make the smaller and/or local companies pay more. The large multinationals will find a way to not pay whatever the rate is.

#372 Adam on 09.24.15 at 3:27 pm

Will you be switching party allegiance in this election
YES

Should the TFSA contribution limit be rolled back?
NO

Should taxes be raised on higher-income earners?
YES

Do you agree corporate taxes should be increased?
YES

Should minimum wages be raised to $15 per hour?
YES

Do you hate Stephen Harper?
YES

You intend to vote for –
Liberals – a strategic vote to help eliminate Conservatives in my riding

Please everyone visit: http://www.strategicvoting.ca/

#373 conan on 09.24.15 at 3:35 pm

Wow 20 minutes til the big reveal. Who knew that Garth’s site was so entertaining?

I know now and will tell all my friends!!

5 stars… will recommend

#374 LL on 09.24.15 at 3:35 pm

My last comment on election (I prefer RE):

Last election, Harper has been elected with 38% votes.
In Europe, it’s couple of tours and the elect one have 50% + 1 votes.
How can we elect someone with 38% votes????

#375 MF on 09.24.15 at 3:37 pm

#369 SWL1976 on 09.24.15 at 3:16 pm

Yes but if everything is by design, and the TPTB are able to rig everything in their favour, surely they bet tons of money on things like MLB where the players are payed millions and the owners are mega rich.

If your sources are so reliable and present the inside scoop on the inner workings of the world’s elite, then please tell us who will win so we can bet big on proline and win.

Actually, tell us for the next 5 years. We can be like Biff from Back to the Future 2 with his sports almanac.

MF

#376 Mike in Toronto on 09.24.15 at 3:38 pm

I’ve been extraordinarily unimpressed at the Conservatives fiscal track record. It seems like they made hard gambles at savers’ expense.

Trashing the loonie, amping up the housing market, lying about inflation, betting heavy on oil when we have one of the highest extraction costs in the world, growing the economy with debt, debt and more debt. All horrible decisions.

Throw in the G20, silencing of scientists, the thuggery of Harper’s leadership and the spinelessness of all dissenters who remain.

I’ll go with my local NDP candidate. Not to punish the Conservatives, but because the fiscal policy of the conservatives seems to be to slash and burn. No consideration for the future.

I’ve lost more on the dollar and Harper’s bad investments, than I’ll ever lose in taxes, even as a business owner and tipping past the $200k annual salary. In fact, baring a massive change in the Conservatives, I can’t imagine ever voting for them.

I’m glad I hold foreign currency.

#377 RunningWithScissors on 09.24.15 at 3:55 pm

Re: Twitter teaser (Tweaser?)….oh Garth, you certainly know how to get the attention of the ladies, you coy thing you.

Waiting with bated breath and heaving bosoms for 4pm ET.

#378 Joe Schmoe on 09.24.15 at 3:56 pm

#374

I am not sure anyone would disagree with your points, but I am not sure how giving other parties more money will resolve any of your concerns. How will bigger government resolve the economy issues?

I am noticing not one party is talking about MP salary cuts, getting their pensions in line with the rest of Canada (i.e. no defined benefit).

I would vote for the party that offers MP compensation reforms. Fat luck in finding that in a platform…

#379 Joe Schmoe on 09.24.15 at 4:01 pm

Sorry I was commenting on 376 noo 374

#380 family beagle on 09.24.15 at 4:05 pm

So I get home and there’s this massive red liberal sign in the front yard. We’re on a busy bypass, corner lot with high visibility as everyone comes to a T stop. It shocked me, the audacity of some political minion actually crossing the property line and pounding stakes in terra I hand mulched. So I covered it with a blue tarp.

Then a buddy shows up and says it’s for his girlfriend who is a big time Liberal supporter. So I took the tarp down. (My grandad received the Military Medal for her right to be enthusiastic.) I said it was okay. Anything to get a buddy laid.

Anyhoo, I just went online and ordered a bigger sign from the NDP, to keep things fun. I may erect my own Jolly Roger, to fly my own colours.

#381 Retired Boomer - WI on 09.24.15 at 4:16 pm

Poles closed.

Voting results to be published shortly.

US markets down -78 on the day.

Do you know where your money is? Temp 77 F sunny, and cocktails have been ordered for this afternoons repast.

Conspiracy advisories posted for tonight thru Oct 19th.
Read them, then proceed using your best reasoned judgements. All the answers may NOT be as they seem. User discretion is advised.

#382 LL on 09.24.15 at 4:30 pm

369 – Baseball is just another convenient distraction to keep the masses from understanding that the real game is being played on them.

Well said!

#383 Its Complicated on 09.24.15 at 6:42 pm

#368 Mister Obvious

We need to offer incentive to the risk taker. That’s why there are tax breaks on capital gains and dividends (where there’s lots of capital risk).

The man in the street wants certainty. He prefers for someone else to take risks but resents it when those who do risk capital are rewarded.
————————————————-

Let’s be honest, what incentive do you need to invest? If you’re some wealthy investor with money lying around and choose no risk you’ll get nothing at best. When you invest in equity you at least have the prospect of growth which I would gladly pick anytime. Treating all income equally could remove some gas from the housing, stock market, etc. bubbles, and make them more sustainable in the long run. It’ll also put money back into main street’s pocket so they can re-invest where they please.

In Vegas, they reward investors with free drinks and pretty women. It’ll work here too.

#384 Herf on 09.24.15 at 7:39 pm

#301 Ralph Cramdown

“I didn’t read any of those reports, but why so pessimistic?”

I don’t think I was being pessimistic, just realistic. Sure, technology advances, but I think there’s a difference between visionary people (e.g. entrepreneurs, inventors, researchers, innovators, etc.) who “make it happen” based on their taking risks, investing their time, energy, knowledge and money, etc. into an idea, vs. having a government tell them what to pursue or government trying to orchestrate the society according to an ideology that has no sound economic (or technical) basis.

I think history shows that technical innovation happens on its own and driven by people with an idea and when it is self-sustaining (some might call this “market-driven”, I guess). The transistor is an example. Different researchers stumbled across this interesting device, but it was the researchers at Bell Labs that recognized its ability to amplify a signal could make it a viable replacement for the vacuum tube. Or, look at what’s happening today to the print news/magazine industry and shopping – print is being clobbered by online media; books are being superceded by e-readers, and the internet has opened up a whole new world of online shopping at the expense of some traditional “bricks-and-mortar” businesses – all because of consumer preferences.

My point is, I think government has a poor track record of picking or developing technical winners (Remember Telidon – the federally sponsored technology back in the ’80s that was going to integrate video and text?).

I think the best that government is able to do is help put in place some of the factors that enable the private sector visionaries (i.e. “normal people”) to flourish, then get out of the way and let them blossom (or fail) according to the merit of their ideas, stepping in to regulate only if/when necessary to protect the public against harm and to insure the playing field is level.

As for a 747 flying on biofuel, the fuel still used 85% kerosene, but Boeing found their 747 flew more efficiently using the kerosence/biofuel blend:

http://www.gizmag.com/boeing-747-8-biofuel-atlantic-crossing/18940/

which is great, but it still shows that petroleum based products are still necessary for the functioning of the society.

#385 april on 09.24.15 at 8:19 pm

Read, The Nixon Of The North, Harper magazine latest edition. It’s about Stephen Harper.

#386 Nemesis on 09.24.15 at 9:36 pm

“I think history shows that technical innovation happens on its own.” – Herf

#AsTropesGo… #HistorySaysOtherwise….

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/as11-40-5949b_0.jpg

#387 00JohnD on 09.25.15 at 7:54 am

My answer is NO to all questions and I don’t know who to vote for.

#388 SeeB on 09.25.15 at 1:15 pm

#332 pbrasseur

#I don’t think there was ever a worse moment to elect a leftist/anti-capital government in Canada. ”

It was a (supposedly) rightist/pro-capital government that got us into this mess in the first place! I can’t reward such failure and refusal to admit/tackle problems.