Into the night

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On Friday at dusk I pulled onto Highway 407, from the 400.

“Cops,” said Dorothy. So I throttled back to two demerits. She was right. A black-and-white hit the shoulder, lights flashing. We sailed by. “More,” she said, and ahead were two other units, also ablaze. Then the trip turned historic.

We suddenly passed at least fifty vehicles – minivans, sedans, pickups – all parked on the side of a super toll-highway where nobody brakes unless they’re toast. In the gathering dark, all had their four-ways flashing. Yards ahead eight tow trucks were parked in formation, at a diagonal to the road, their orange strobes lit up.

Moments later, we slid beneath an overpass. Astride it were two fire trucks, in full illumination. Standing on the equipment were firefighters, in their regalia, helmets and visors. Below, shoulder-to-shoulder the entire length of the bridge – at least half a kilometre arching over eight lanes – were people. Hundreds of them. As we moved through we could see most were clutching flags they were draping down the sides of the concrete structure.

As dusk turned to dark, and over the next 68 kilometres, every bridge was the same. Local police and fire units – Mississauga, then Brampton, then Milton, Oakville and Burlington – packed the overpasses with all of their equipment, strobing in the night. Along the highway, Ministry of Transportation vehicles were lined up end-to-end, their operators in fluorescent vests, standing at attention.

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Near Highway 410, the first of the giant ETR 407 pixelboards appeared, hurtling a brilliant crimson Canadian flag into the night. Here the entire shoulder was taken with cars, now hundreds of them. All parked nose-to-bumper, all flashing. The bridges now three and four deep in shadowy figures. Hundreds had turned into thousands. By the time we neared Hamilton, tens of thousands.

Close to the end, eight more tow trucks, parked close with their jacks extended and laced between them a massive flag. Vehicles were positioned to shine their headlines upon it. It was black now, each bridge and the shoulder a cacophony of brilliance, against the failing light.

Close to the Hamilton cut-off, the opposite side of 407 ground to a halt. Drivers were leaving their vehicles, walking to the concrete wall separating east and westbound. I cut the engine and we waited. In a minute it was over.

With a single siren, Corporal Cirillo’s cortege pierced the night.

We’ve been discussing what drew all those people in the dark to a barren highway to watch a few cars roll by. Not just along our stretch, but the entire 600-km route from Ottawa – where this unarmed soldier was shot in the back at the base of a monument – to a funeral home in his home town. It drew crowds to the spot at which he fell, had people across the nation rummaging for last year’s poppy, and brought spontaneous anthem-singing among those who think Canada Day’s just another boozy long weekend.

NATHAN & DOG 1 modified  Dorothy said it was empathy. “So young. He could have been anyone’s son.” She also believes the dead soldier represents a loss of innocence. Despite our military record of valour and bravery, most believe Canadians are more peacekeepers than warriors. We let the Americans kill the crazies, then send aid. So seeing a jihadist shooting in Parliament, murdering a guy in a kilt – because he was symbolic – is deeply shocking. Going to the overpass and weeping was cathartic.

She’s right. There’s probably more, too. Patriotism is emotional and infectious. In a country where Toronto looks like Chicago and Red Deer looks like Rochester, where we watch US television and speak the same language, where Tim’s is foreign-owned and Stanfields are made in Asia, there are few things that draw us together. So when one comes along – a defender cut down unfairly, from the back, by a loser with a hunting rifle, devoid of respect, and trashing every rule – we rustle and rouse. We may be unable to revive this young man, but we sure as hell can honour him.

To the troubled shooter, Nathan Cirillo, in his dress uniform defending a pile of stones, said ‘Canada.’

On the bridges and the gravel Friday night, he was.

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#1 earthboundmisfit on 10.26.14 at 11:44 am

Well played Mr. Turner. Well played indeed.

#2 T.J>Bones on 10.26.14 at 11:50 am

Sir Garth: I am Overwhelmed!

#3 Harbour on 10.26.14 at 11:56 am

The Zero Line

Forget Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Ukraine
This is where WWIII will start

Dear Concerned American,

While the world is focused on the rising conflicts in Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine, according to this story, a new threat has emerged that could unleash WWIII.

At this moment, two hostile nations, with 650,000 soldiers stationed on the border that separates them, have put their total arsenal of 230 nuclear warheads “in play.”

And one of them is showing an itchy trigger finger.

This country has begun a series of dangerous test launches involving a new type of intercontinental ballistic missile.

#4 Clint Jones on 10.26.14 at 12:05 pm

As a Canadian living in the US, I am overwhelmingly proud of both our Canadian military, and other Canadians’ responses to this needless tragedy.

Go Canada Go! Despite Canadians’ stupidity when it comes to real estate and all things consumer finance related, Canada is still the best damn country in the world, bar none.

#5 Silent the people on 10.26.14 at 12:10 pm

Very true and well said!

#6 statsfreak on 10.26.14 at 12:20 pm

Beautifully done, Garth.

I shall now go and re-apply the makeup that has run down my face.

Love you and everyone else in this amazing country I am so proud to be a part of.

RIP, Nathan Cirillo.

#7 Drill Baby Drill on 10.26.14 at 12:20 pm

Dear Pathetic Blog :
I keep hearing from security and terrorism experts on TV that we are not able to defend ourselves from these lone wolf Jihad attacks. I say “BS” our country Canada is very much in need of a unifying fight and this is the one. If CSIS and the FBI can co-ordinate intelligence efforts then we most certainly can and will. Terrorism is an act of war and CSIS and the FBI know who is putting out these websites and communications and we need to grow a pair and go after them regardless of what country they reside in.

#8 ProfessorLogic on 10.26.14 at 12:34 pm

Very touching and beautifully written, though I suspect you may have wanted “So young”, rather than “so, young”…?

#9 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 10.26.14 at 12:38 pm

Thanks Garth for this posting, most appropriate at this juncture. My great grandfather, granfather, father, myself and two of my sons served in the armed forces. I am the only one that served in the USAF back during Veitnam. All of my family have seved our homeland and should feel honoured that they served Canada. We cried when the news of Nathon came across the headlines, just as we cried every time a soldier was repatriated from Afgahistan. We are a military family with long history, unless you have served or have family members that have served its hard to understand how we feel when another member of the military family is taken.
RIP cpl Nathon Cirillo.

#10 Smoking Man on 10.26.14 at 12:43 pm


#11 VanDammeCouver on 10.26.14 at 12:43 pm

Thank you Garth, very touching.

#12 Victoria Boy on 10.26.14 at 12:43 pm


What a patriotic and inspiring post. Your moving words weave a tapestry of solidarity and innocence lost. I haven’t been moved like that in quite a while. With such a vivatious venacular, you should run for office.

Victoria Boy

#13 Piccaso on 10.26.14 at 12:44 pm


#14 Mr. Monday Night on 10.26.14 at 12:54 pm

Outstanding post this morning.

It is proper to give pause and reflect on the week that was, it has really hit home to this expat on what is and should be truly important to Canadians.

RIP, Nathan Cirillo.

#15 Lynn on 10.26.14 at 1:04 pm

Well, Mr. Turner

I live close to the “sea” at the other side of the country. Your lovely post brought a tear to my eye, stirred up a lump in my throat and reminded me that we share one very decent, gracious heart, we Canadians.
Merci, mille fois, for the reminder and the salut to our forces.

True North!

#16 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 1:09 pm

Many people will be unable to digest the fact that the shooter was a mentally ill individual, Canadian born, a Full Canadian Citizen.

We are all partly to blame for this tragedy.
The Shooter was in a sick way, long before this incident, looking for help.
He committed lame crimes in order to be inducted into the system where someone could do the thinking for his tortured soul.

In Vancouver we failed to help him when he was asking for it.
When our collective awareness allows our biases to understand the mentally ill, we may have a different view of this man. I think we should feel equally sorry for him.

While the tragedy struck a chord in our collective souls and brought out the latent patriotism in us.
We should be careful about giving government Carte Blanche when it comes to diluting our privacy and freedoms.

In the big picture these kinds of “lone wolf” killings sell advertising for the media. The truth is they are miniscule in the world of terrorism and terrorism is in itself a miniscule threat to us as the numbers of terrorist deaths even including 9/11 are quite small.
More people in the USA are killed by their own furniture than terrorist attacks.

In any case this is not really a true terrorist attack.
This man was severely mentally ill and very quickly found an avenue to justify lashing out through Islamic Extremist Ideology.
I doubt he even understands even the basics of the Quran.
He was likely a sick man who needed someone to tell him what to do so he did not have to think for himself.

May god have mercy upon the souls of both of these men.

#17 Booming Burnaby on 10.26.14 at 1:11 pm

Dear Garth & his renter followers,

I’d like to express my sincere gratitude for all of you real estate bears. Because of you guys, I havent had much problems renting out my investment properties and generate wealth through my rental incomes. Once again, thank you all!

#18 Waterloo Resident on 10.26.14 at 1:15 pm

Its always sad when such things happen to good people.

#19 Drill Baby Drill on 10.26.14 at 1:18 pm

#16 Never Give Up

So following your logic. A Pakistani, Omani or Yemeni young person who is disenfranchised within his community or mentally unstable decides thru his local Imam to join the Wahabi sect in Saudi to carry bombs strapped to their bodies are not “Truly Terrorist attacks”. Take your head out of your !$#$!.

#20 Nemesis on 10.26.14 at 1:28 pm


Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds,—and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of—wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark nor ever eagle flew—
And, while with silent lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

#21 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 1:28 pm

Just a thought on a possible solution to catch people with severe mental illness.
Our BC Government closed down our Main Mental hospital many years ago.
They maintain wards in some hospitals for temporary help.
They are very hard to get admitted to due to space limitations.
These cuts helped our Provincial government balance the budget and get re-elected.
Would it be too onerous to keep some kind of pleasant place whereby people who feel they are ill can check themselves in for assessment and rest from the outside world. A kind of Serenity Stop in the world of noise and haste.
Without making it too formal maybe it could be staffed with some doctors or specialists who could do quick assessments and prescribe calming medicine for those who suffer from Bi polar illness and other severe mental illnesses.
It could be made to be a 30 day rest stop for those with no place to go. Not a budget breaker but maybe a starter solution.
Something for the pundits to debate and refine.

#22 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.26.14 at 1:30 pm

Well, while misguided islamophiles think they are scaring or intimidating Canadians by these senseless acts.
They are merely solidfying our resolve not to back down to terrorism and religious fanatics.
1 innocent soldier murdered…..millions of Canadians now unified in our disgust and loathing of these barbarians. Just as Canadians were tiring of the entire middle east conflict and our part in it.
Now we’re all ready AND willing to go there again.
Well done you misguided idiots of ISIS, well done.

#23 Piccaso on 10.26.14 at 1:37 pm

I think will see more of the lost generation (millennials) looking for something to grab on… like this radical extreme jihad fascist crap.

#24 Ben on 10.26.14 at 1:49 pm

#17 – of all the blogs to pick to put your trolling on this was the worst you could pick. I’m happy to rent off you for the rest of my days so long as I never become you.

#25 Andres on 10.26.14 at 1:56 pm

@ #19 Drill Baby Drill,

I think his point is that this individual wasn’t necessarily attracted to this ideology because he represents a typical religious extremist, but rather because he was mentally ill and this was the extremism he ended up globbing on to. A good analogy would be the guy who shot Gabrielle Giffords – I spent some time on his youtube channel to satisfy my curiosity about what could motivate someone to do something like shoot a politician at a public rally, and he clearly was not well and prone to delusions. In his case, his delusion pertained to the common thread that our monetary system is a fraud run by zionists. In other words, general themes of shadowy government control and influence. His illness created a skewed perspective of the world that he fixated on, to the extent that he decided violence was a rational action. I completely understand what you’re saying though – if two people arrive at the same place does it matter how they got there and are they not the same thing? I think in this case while religious radicalism certainly created this person, he carries some distinguishing features from, say, a local terrorist cell acting out a coordinated plan and his actions should not necessarily be considered as a real barometer of the likeliness of this behavior to occur in the future from such ‘organized’ entities. To this extent, recognizing the difference can be useful when we go to the next stage of assessing how we should react.

#26 Andrewski on 10.26.14 at 2:16 pm

The scourge of mental illness rears it’s ugly head. Too many people suffer alone & in silence to a disease that others can not understand, unless they or a loved one suffer with it. It’s easy to pillory the shooter & heap anger upon him, but we should all remember, “There but for the grace of God, go I”. Hug your loved ones, look them in the eyes and tell them you love them!

#27 Casual Observer on 10.26.14 at 2:17 pm

The dogs peeking out from under the gate at the makeshift memorial outside the Cirillo family home brought a tear to my eye, and I don’t easily cry.

(Photos #17-19 of 39)

RIP, Cpl. Nathan Cirillo.

I will always have the deepest respect for anyone who puts themselves in harm’s way in service to our country.

#28 Bottoms_Up on 10.26.14 at 2:23 pm


There is some comfort in knowing a fellow Canadian civilian comforted him as he was dying.

#29 Bottoms_Up on 10.26.14 at 2:24 pm

#17 Booming Burnaby on 10.26.14 at 1:11 pm
Ya, really eh, before you post be sure to read Garth’s entry. Knuckle head.

#30 BG on 10.26.14 at 2:25 pm

I see how understanding that fool could have been of use to prevent future attacks.

But I do not feel any empathy for the shooter even if he was mentally ill.

It just feel like it would be obscene to give this bozo any empathy while the life of an innocent man has been taken.

#31 Godth on 10.26.14 at 2:38 pm

#22 crowdedelevatorfartz

plus we need the oil those muslims are living on top of so we can drive our vehicles to memorials, parking by the side of a freeway in solidarity, when it comes home to roost.

#32 Smudgekin on 10.26.14 at 2:42 pm

Say Garth you may have left government but your still into the propaganda. Very sad about the young fellah murdered at the memorial. Well done by the fellah who wears the funny hat in Parliament. Though I doubt he feels good about killing some young person with mental problems. Really he had no choice.

Wonder how many woman & kids our six old jets are gonna kill over there?

#33 Human Capital on 10.26.14 at 2:46 pm

I’m glad you used the word “loser” — it’s highly salient.

#34 Food For Thought on 10.26.14 at 2:50 pm

#114 Huge Friggin Headache on 10.25.14 at 4:23 am
“Enough Cato. You constantly contradict yourself. You have some simple and ridiculous view of how the world works, just stop it. Go read something that is not found on the conspiracy theory section of the internet.

I have a family member like you, says all of the same kind of things, for a while he didn’t but then he decided that the side effects of the medication were to much and stopped taking them. I am not even trying to be mean here, it’s a serious issue. I constantly worry about that family member and I’m sure your family does the same for you. Get some help for gods sake.”
Food for thought….

“Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder often characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to recognize what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the person’s reported experiences.”

“Symptoms begin typically in young adulthood, and about 0.3–0.7% of people are affected during their lifetime. The disorder is thought to mainly affect the ability to think, but it also usually contributes to chronic problems with behavior and emotion. People with schizophrenia are likely to have additional conditions, including major depression and anxiety disorders; the lifetime occurrence of substance use disorder is almost 50%.”

#35 Frikkie on 10.26.14 at 3:10 pm

For the Corporal

#36 BigM on 10.26.14 at 3:17 pm

@16 DBD
I agree 100%.
Wonder what excuses they will try to make for the jihadi
who ran over Patrice Vincent ?

#37 BC Nurse Prof on 10.26.14 at 3:23 pm

This horrible shooting was not perpetrated by a terrorist. It was perpetrated by a mentally ill man born in Canada. In 2011, when Norway was shocked by the murder of children at a summer camp, the country’s leader said:

“In the middle of all the tragedy, I am proud to live in a country which has managed to stand tall in a critical time,” the Norwegian leader told mourners at a church. “Our response is more democracy, more openness and more humanity, but never naivete.”

Stephen Harper, typically, will use this utter tragedy to ramp up controls over Canadians. Including, I might add, cuts to mental health services. People who are afraid are easily controlled.

#38 Almost A Boomer on 10.26.14 at 3:24 pm


Beautifully written. Thank you.

#39 Mark on 10.26.14 at 3:44 pm

When there is such a vast disconnect between intelligence, work, and the ability to actually consume — things like this are bound to happen. I agree with the other posters, this was most likely a manifestation of mental illness, a frustration with Canadian society, rather than an act of ideological “Islamic” terrorism.

What has been one of the organizations creating so much of a disconnect between work, savings, and consumption in Canada over the past decade? The CMHC, of course. CMHC, by issuing nearly a trillion dollars worth of subprime mortgage insurance, has created a disconnect between work, savings, and being able to consume housing. Because of the rampant emission of subprime credit, it was practically impossible, over the past decade, for someone to save and actually buy a house on their own — prices simply went up at a rate much faster than even down-payment funds could possibly have been accumulated by most middle class Canadians. CMHC destroyed the dream of relatively minimal debt home ownership for Canadians, and replaced it with a system where the only way to “own” a home is to pledge oneself as debt serf to the various Canadian banking institutions. The CMHC, not the contemporary “terrorists” that the government is worried about, is the greatest threat to the economic, political, and personal freedoms of Canadians today.

#40 triplenet on 10.26.14 at 4:01 pm

We salute you Cpl. Nathan Cirillo.
We salute your family.
We honour you.
We are Canada.

#41 T.J.BONES on 10.26.14 at 4:14 pm

Sir Garth: Respectively.
This monster was indoctrinated, invited to jihadi!!!
You just don’t get it!!
He might have been ” mentalily ill ”
Allot of people are mentally ill, but to go from there to a cold blooded killer, takes some effort.
where did he get his intelligence and his internet ” help” from? He was sponsored thats why! By whom?
Stop all you blaming the Canadians for what this person did! Hunt down the people who helped him commit this crime, and make them pay!!

#42 Freedom First on 10.26.14 at 4:17 pm

Garth, for those of us who were not there, thank you for sharing the heart-moving tribute for Corporal Cirillo. Very moving, and much appreciated. I feel for this young man who was unjustly taken from his family, friends, and Canada by such a despicable act. Much respect and empathy. Kevin.

#43 TEMPORARY® Foreign Prime Minister on 10.26.14 at 4:18 pm

Nicely (and non-partisanly) said, GT.

Unfortunately, an incident like this will bring out the worst polarization in people (witness #16 vs #19, #17 vs #24, #26 vs #30) fueled even faster by every unyielding “I’m always right, you’re always wrong” soapbox on the ‘net.

Clearly we have become nation very good at yelling, not so good at listening.

Many thanks to Cpl. Nathan Cirillo and every other member, both regular and reserve, pasts and present, for your continued commitment to your country and everything we used to believe in.

#44 Retired Boomer - WI on 10.26.14 at 4:35 pm

These types of “needless slaughters” are becoming too common.

April 19, 1995 Bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. 168 died, among them four guys I worked with, and knew.

Sept 11, 2001 The Twin Towers, Pentagon, and the plane in PA. Over 3,000 deaths.

We could also cite the 1993 World Trade Center, and literally dozens more – dating back more than 100 years!!

Violence is a fact of life in a relatively free society. Yes, it may be a high price, but who would wish to live otherwise?

Canada, my friends, and neighbor, I mourn with you the loss of Cpl Nathan Cirillo. RIP

#45 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.26.14 at 4:41 pm

“plus we need the oil those muslims are living on top of so we can drive our vehicles to memorials, parking by the side of a freeway in solidarity, when it comes home to roost.”
Actually you’re wrong(again).
Discounting Russia’s oil supplies, Norway’s oil supplies, Venezula’s oil supplies ( all non muslim oil exporters) ………..
Canada is a net exporter of oil as is the US now that they have expanded the Bakken Shale field for oil extraction.
As for the “coming home to roost”.
I do believe the idiot that commited a cowardly murder (whom I refuse to name and grant the “fame” he so wretchedly craved)was born in Quebec. No “coming home” for him..
Just a pathetic attempt at fame in the name of a loser cause……and now he’s dead.

I wonder who the “fanatics” will focus their attention on in the coming years now that the OPEC countries are selling more oil to China than anyone else.
The US is self sufficient in oil and they could pull out of the middle east tommorrow and never look back. China has its own religious “insurgencies” to deal with they need another one like a hole in the head.

P.S. God”th” ….I know a good rhinoplasty surgeon if you want that lisp corrected………..

#46 Scumop on 10.26.14 at 4:46 pm

Misquoted but often true:

The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of a million is statistics.

We have our tragedy in Cirillo. A symbol for us whose death speaks to us on a personal level as the tens of thousands of people decapitated and enslaved by that recreational murder cult in the middle east cannot.

Churchill’s “We shall fight on the beaches…” echoes in my head. Along with Niemöller’s “First they came for” poem (though the context is different).

I believe we can live up to the memory we have created and the values which we claim in the face of an ugly reality.

#47 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 4:48 pm

Beautiful prose as usual, Turner.

As I tour the main island of the Portuguese azores archipelago by sport bike, I can tell you Canada commands a tremendous amount of respect in these parts. Largely because of their massive diaspora in Canada but also because of our role as the world’s peacekeeper not aggressor.

It would be a shame to see the neocons turn a mental health issue into a national security crackdown. Currently we are the only G8 nation without a national mental health strategy. Instead of strengthening our terror laws a much more cost effective solution would be to provide less hoops for families to jump through to get ill people the psychiatric care they need with broader form 1 detention criteria.

I went through having a relative committed and it was not easy. Today the relative is again a Productive member of society. Why do we treat the severely mentally ill differently than a heart attack,stroke or diabetic coma victim? None of the latter 3 are allowed to lay on the street and suffer but a person in psychosis is left until they commit harm to themselves or others.

#48 Cato the Elder on 10.26.14 at 4:54 pm


The murderer in question had a turbulent history as well as being monitored by our intelligence services. They should have acted on this information appropriately beforehand.

We don’t need to restrict the liberties of all Canadians to protect us from the occasional lunatic – I’m sure that is not what this soldier would have wanted.

#49 Blacksheep on 10.26.14 at 4:55 pm


My condolences to the Cirillo and Zehaf-Bibeau families for their respective loss.

The focus of today’s blog, Nathan Cirillo, lost his life while working in his chosen profession, like to many Canadian’s, (4 on average) every single day in Canada.

Corporal Nathan Cirillo’s was asked to guard a symbolic government structure, was given a firearm, but no ammunition to perform the task. How different could have events turned out, had Nathan Cirillo, actually been able to defend himself and his post?

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, whom became the “Ottawa shooter,” was in a Vancouver homeless shelter a mere two weeks ago, was mentally unstable, a self confessed crack addict, temporally incarcerated, but somehow fell through the systemic cracks.

This whole event, is a tale of things gone wrong.

I believe there is a very real danger in reading more into than it is. A tragic loss of two lives do to a system that needs more social support for the physiologically & drug challenged.

#50 Cato the Elder on 10.26.14 at 4:58 pm

Re: #44 Retired Boomer

Not necessarily more common, but more commonly known.

News information services can be disseminated in an instant.

In the past, it could take days or weeks for news to reach of an incident. It was also not as widely visible and plastered over every medium we have available today.

That is part of why there is a herd-like reaction to incidents today. The power the media has over the collective consciousness of our nation is scary.

In the past, a story would pass from mouth to mouth. While not the most accurate way to relay information, an important ‘filtering’ process took place. That filtering process eliminated many non-crucial bits of information. There’s an information overload today. There’s also no real intellectual breakdown of the stories which happened in the past as a part of this filtering process.

#51 Tony on 10.26.14 at 5:04 pm

Just another reason gun control is communist and now another person is dead because of it. Archie Bunker was right.

#52 Entrepreneur on 10.26.14 at 5:10 pm

The mentally ill have no place to go, thanks to the cuts by the Conservative Party. The mentally ill end up in the hospitals but that is just temporary. We as a nation need to address this problem.

RIP CPL. Cirillo. You will be in our hearts forever!

#53 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 5:15 pm

Here’s the Ottawa(senior)Citizen interview with what’s his face’s Mom:

I don’t like to advertise his name but the interview is insightful.

In other news Jian Growmetski as Don Cherry once called him, is personal non grata at the nation’s broadcaster..

#54 DR. WAYNE on 10.26.14 at 5:19 pm

I sent the now world famous photo of the War Memorial participants gently lifting Corporal Cirillo up and into Canada’s memory to a Viet Nam Veteran in the US. He replied with the following:


We attended the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation Gala last night in Philadelphia, PA.

During the opening ceremonies, tribute was paid to the Warrant Officer purposefully run down earlier in the week by a vehicle and the Corporal shot and killed by a terrorist on Thursday.

The Gala sponsors held a moment of silence, followed by a rendition of “O Canada”. We had never heard “O Canada” in full before. It was a sobering remembrance paying tribute to the sacrifices to two of Canada’s finest by a “bunch of over the hill” old Marines here in the lower 48. Sometimes, we do stop to pay tribute where tribute is overdue.


#55 Sherwood Park on 10.26.14 at 5:22 pm

O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command,

Car ton bras sait porter l’épée,
Il sait porter la croix!

Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits,

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

#56 Ydnew on 10.26.14 at 5:22 pm

Cpl. Cirillo’s needless death touched a nerve with Canadians because it was also an affront to the military and a desecration of the national War Memorial.

#57 rower on 10.26.14 at 5:25 pm

I agree with Dorothy. It is empathy that had us lining highways and crying for this young man. He could have been my son. I feel his mother’s pain.

Beautiful tribute.

Be free, Nathan. We won’t forget.

#58 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 5:26 pm

One last post before I head to the streets of ponta delgada.

1% of the human population worldwide suffers from psychosis through schizophrenia. Bipolar. Depression substance abuse. Severe trauma witness or causes undetermined. The percentage of violent acts committed by the untreated about the 8% Mark of all violent crimes so the propensity for violence is still low. Worse is the level of suicide being 1/3 of all suicides are related to psychosis. The cost of untreated mental illness is in the billions per year for Canada’s economy. Surely we can do better.

#59 Kris on 10.26.14 at 5:26 pm

#8 ProfessorLogic on 10.26.14 at 12:34 pm
Very touching and beautifully written, though I suspect you may have wanted “So young”, rather than “so, young”…?


Go back to your cave professor spell/check !!!

#60 Cato the Elder on 10.26.14 at 5:28 pm

Re: #51 Tony

Gun control works well – ask Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini etc.

It works well for criminals.

Law abiding people, that make up the majority, are the only ones that follow laws that restrict gun ownership.

Not sure what is so difficult to understand about that.

I’m not saying I know for sure what would have prevented this attack, but having one of our OWN SOLDIERS with a gun that is UNLOADED doesn’t make ANY SENSE.

Not that I like the idea of armed military on the streets. But if you’re performing a duty of ‘guarding’ a monument or area, you should be armed.

#61 Headache's getting worse on 10.26.14 at 5:34 pm

Indeed but let’s not forget Patrice Vincent and the other soldier run down by another jihadist lunatic on Monday.

He was killed also in a cowardly way and the other soldier with him, to my knowledge not identified, was critically injured. While this incident didn’t have the war memorial or parliament involved it is no less significant.

So I say condolences to all of the family and friends, rest in peace Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent and Corporal Nathan Cirillo and a speedy and full recovery to the unidentified soldier.

Like the picture shows, the faithfull dogs still wait for his return.

Your mention of our military being seen as peace keepers, yeah but perhaps if Hollywood hadn’t co-opted so many stories where it was in fact Canadians and turning it into Americans in the movies maybe people would know what our people really did. More over how much they really sacrificed. A number of countries across the pond sure seem to hold the Canadians in high esteem for their role in securing their freedoms. Less so for some others although I guess it depends on the area which country was operating in at the time.

#62 gtrz4peace on 10.26.14 at 5:39 pm

Entrepreneur has it correct. This shooter was no “jihadist”, he was a severely mentally ill person who was failed by a system where all social safety nets have a “bulls eye” painted on them by the Federal Conseratives and here, the BC “Liberals” or as we call them, the BC “Neoliberals.”

Trying to make this another “911” style attack – and there are those who will argue who was really behind that US attack of course — is only an exercise in opportunism by those who wish to con you and I that we must trade our freedoms for “security”, gaining nothing in the process but a more draconian police state.

This is the true lesson of “911” in the US. Hope Canadians were hitting those textbooks.

#63 Entrepreneur on 10.26.14 at 5:41 pm

#39 Mark, well said. Our own two have saved to buy but the prices have gone too high. You have to become one of them to “belong” on this earth. Is it not the reponsibility of the government to speak for everyone, apparently not! The greed carries on until the last one standing.

#64 Godth on 10.26.14 at 5:59 pm

#45 crowdedelevatorfartz

Why Are U.S. Oil Imports Falling?

“Despite increased domestic oil production and lower oil consumption, the US remains the largest importer of oil in the world, and spent $427 billion on imports in 2013.”

U.S. Imports by Country of Origin

That was easy.

So two French Canadians decide they’re going to convert to Islam, commit crimes in Canada…but somehow that justifies more war in the middle east.

If you decide to strap one on again again and fight the bad guys at least hit the right countries this time. Wahabism has it’s roots where? Saudi Arabia and Qatar? They get a pass, why?

This Canadian guy was mentally ill…but that doesn’t fit the reactionary agenda so…

#65 Herb on 10.26.14 at 6:03 pm

#60 Cato,

the purpose of having “guards” at the War Memorial at all was not to defend it against armed or any attack, but to discourage pissheads from using it as a urinal again. Hence, the guards do not need live ammunition for the guns they carry for traditional image purposes. (Fixed bayonets, of course, as well as being part of the image, are a great deterrent and reassurance against any rowdies trying to mess about with monument or guards.)

Nothing would have prevented this attack, except all around defence, for which there has been no requirement up to now. I hope there will be no requirement to guard the guards in future, but if it is considered necessary, so be it.

The best thing all of us can do is to “carry on, regardless.” Tying ourselves into knots would do too much honour to sick lone wolves, if such they were, or to ISIS/L, it it was involved.

#66 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 6:24 pm

Off topic but a very Canadian story. Here’s jians spin on why the corp through him overboard:

#67 Victor V on 10.26.14 at 6:38 pm

Beautifully said, Garth.

For those looking to help the families of these fallen heroes, please consider donating here:

#68 PeterfromCalgary on 10.26.14 at 6:44 pm

A sad, senseless and unprovoked murder. It makes me very angry and sad.

#69 takla on 10.26.14 at 6:47 pm

Wow…. 2 terrorist attacks in Canada last week….unfortunately I guess this is something us Canadians had better get used to with whats happening on the world stage these days.
I couldn’t help but think if the same 2 circumstances that have taken place in Canada last week had happened in the states,with the white house being entered by a jihadist with a firearm and the other with a soldier run down by a vehicle piloted by another jihadist just what their response would have been.Im sure a military response would be well under way by now.. this will not be the end but just the beginning of Canadian lives and treasure being lost to these fanatics

#70 Cici on 10.26.14 at 6:58 pm

Beautiful and touching post Garth, thanks.

Just one thing however; from the photo I saw (link above to the New York post) he was in fact armed, as was his colleague (although what good does a gun do if you’re shot from the back?). In any case, they need to improve the surveillance on Parliament Hill.

No ammunition. — Garth

#71 betamax on 10.26.14 at 6:58 pm


#72 Cici on 10.26.14 at 7:03 pm

#17 Booming Burnaby

Yo shmuck, the topic today is not real estate. Give it a rest already…just for one day.


#73 Rudy on 10.26.14 at 7:04 pm

As a tourist waiting in the London Underground in 2005 when the subway bombings occurred 2 stops away from my position, I have experienced terrorist events up close….to close. It is imperative that we do not let acts of terror impair us with fear but to press on with the pursuit of a free society. As a strong Canadian, I returned to wait on the platform first thing in the morning with other Londoners the minute the authorities permitted it. I will my part to ensure Canada shall remain Glorious and Free!

RIP Corp Nathan Cirillo. Your life was not lost in vain. We shall remember!

#74 Suede on 10.26.14 at 7:10 pm

Well written tribute.

#75 whattheheck on 10.26.14 at 7:12 pm

Are you kidding? who cares about this?

So some crazy shoots someone. Happens every day in most countries in the world. I really don’t see the point of this except to get everyone so jingoistic that they vote in all sorts of curtails on our freedom. Just like america. Now I guess we can go spend 2 trillion on a war.

Emotional public is the death of reason.

#76 Herf on 10.26.14 at 7:14 pm

(The following cartoons are copyrighted (read the accompanying disclaimer below each cartoon). Hopefully there’s no issue with linking to them via the ChronicleHerald web site)

#77 Cici on 10.26.14 at 7:17 pm

#47 Ottawa Mike

Very good and relevant point; both mental illness and psychological disorders are on the rise.

#78 Bill Gables on 10.26.14 at 7:19 pm

Absolutely reduced me to rubble.

Evocative prose, ne plus ultra.

Bravo, Mr. Turner. With all my heart I wish you DIDN’T have to write it.

Oh Canada – we LOVE you.

Nathan Cirillo is now among the legions that prove Canadians to be brave Warriors.

Ask the Germans who called the Highlanders “The Kilted Ladies from Hell”.

When Montgomery wanted shock troops, he asked for “The Van-Doos” (*The Royal 22nd).

You did them all proud, Nathan. Condolences to his Family and friends and compatriots.

#79 espressobob on 10.26.14 at 7:32 pm

Its individuals like cpl. Cirillo who set a standard for the rest of us. While, so many Canadians who serve us, lay their lives down for our freedoms, is the greatest sacrifice!

Meanwhile we enjoy the benefits and quickly dismiss why we have it so good.

#80 Bob Copeland on 10.26.14 at 7:32 pm

From America, RIP, Nathan Cirillo.

#81 bill on 10.26.14 at 7:40 pm

Our condolences go out to the families of both soldiers.
May Warrant Officer Vincent and Corporal Cirillo rest in peace.
one of your better efforts Garth by the way!

#82 Suzi on 10.26.14 at 7:41 pm

What you will not hear from the mainstream media of the terror attacks in Ottawa.

#83 Lori on 10.26.14 at 7:45 pm

Beautifully written Garth

#84 Obvious Truth on 10.26.14 at 7:50 pm

Showed this one to everyone I know.

Thanks Garth. Connected the emotions of a nation to a tragic event.

Condolences to the family. RIP corporal Cirillo. You will clearly be missed.

You wonder how much healing could be accomplished if we weren’t focused on fighting. Our kids all deserve better.

#85 espressobob on 10.26.14 at 7:50 pm

#51 Tony

Hate to break it to you dude , your a complete IDIOT!

#86 devore on 10.26.14 at 7:53 pm

If there’s one thing the variety of perpetrators, targets, methods, weapons, locations, and apparent reasons of the last 20 years of “lone wolf” attacks, murders and mass murders shows us, is that as long as we merely continue to discount these as anomalies and refuse to treat the cause, they will continue to occur, and continue to baffle us, as we play whack-a-mole with the symptoms. Ban this, prohibit that, pass a law here, form a committee there, none of it does anything.

Mental health, fitness, and illness is something we have been ignoring for far too long. If I am feeling feverish, or weak, or in pain, I can go to any number of clinics to be looked at, for free. People likewise worried about their mental state have nowhere to go, that is if they even dare acknowledge there might be a problem, such is the stigma. Even lepers don’t exile themselves to remote islands anymore.

Governments of all levels and stripes are ignoring this in a foolish quest to save money. It’s not even a question that preventative measures are far cheaper in the long run than the institutional and societal cost of chronic and acute illness. If the current course holds, it’s a safe prediction more people will lose their lives.

#87 };-) aka Devil's Advocate on 10.26.14 at 7:57 pm

#227 liquidincalgary on 10.26.14 at 9:37 am
DA says:
A 10 year old Hyundai just doesn’t cut it, nor does a 10 year old BMW.
#139 liquidincalgary on 10.25.14 at 11:22 am
#116 };-) aka Devil’s Advocate
you completely missed the point of the above exchange
I don’t think so
all hat, no cattle, eh?
typical salesman

Oh don’t you worry ‘bout me. Metaphorically speaking; I’ve got plenty head of cattle and a good strong reliable horse with which to herd them.

#88 James on 10.26.14 at 8:02 pm

#78 Bill Gables

Ask the Germans who called the Highlanders “The Kilted Ladies from Hell”.

When Montgomery wanted shock troops, he asked for “The Van-Doos” (*The Royal 22nd).


Well, nostalgia for WW1 and WW2 is all well and good, but you have to realize that our population was entirely different back then. Most of our population was engaged in natural resource extraction. Farmers, miners, fishermen, lumberjacks, etc etc. We had almost no diabetes, no obesity, much better levels of fitness.

The regiments that we sent to WW1 and WW2 were filled with very tough men, who were used to harsh work in harsh environments.

These days, almost no one is engaged in agriculture apart from seasonal labourers. The stats from the US on the number of adult males ineligible to serve for physical reasons is shocking. Germany can’t find enough people to pass their fitness standards for the military.

Compared to Mexicans or Turks, our population is soft. You wax nostalgic for a time long since passed.

#89 Porsche on 10.26.14 at 8:08 pm

Why Oil Prices are Falling: The Secret Deal Between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia

#90 };-) aka Devil's Advocate on 10.26.14 at 8:15 pm

I posted at #86 before reading the editorial. My apologies.

That said while Cirillo’s murder was a cowardly act it is a wakeup call to us all that we are not immune and really no different in the eyes of many. Was it not Cirillo it was destined be someone else, your son, your daughter, your brother your sister, your mother, your father…

The Islamic extremists want us to convert to Muslim or die.

Imagine a world without religion

#91 Happy Renting on 10.26.14 at 8:22 pm

What a beautiful way to pay your respects to Corporal Cirillo. He was killed in such a cowardly way, it is heartening to see him embraced by the entire nation.

#92 devore on 10.26.14 at 8:30 pm

#90 };-) aka Devil’s Advocate

Imagine a world without religion

Imagine a world without freedom. What do you wish to ban next, political parties? People with similar beliefs and goals have always organized together to accomplish them and further themselves, and always will. There will also be extremists in any and every organization. That’s being human. You think if religions did not exist, there would be no violent extremists? What a foolish notion. Stick to filling your posts with your usual shift.

#93 habitt on 10.26.14 at 8:32 pm

Thanks Garth the dog pic made me cry RIP Cpl Cirillo

#94 Observer on 10.26.14 at 8:33 pm

Good thing Mr Vickers was properly trained and equipped. Methinks there will be a reassessment of security on the Hill.

#95 raisemyrent on 10.26.14 at 8:36 pm

great post today. I shared it freely, and not for the usual reasons. You outdid yourself, Garth.

to all of you who say this was not terror, you’re borderline disrespecting this soldier’s family, and the people who literally ran away in terror upon seeing this armed man. Have you seen the video? That’s the definition of terrorism. Whether the attacker conformed to what television has told you terrorists should be like, that’s a different issue.

#96 nonplused on 10.26.14 at 8:38 pm

I flew out of Newark on Saturday and when I handed my passport to the security guy he took one look at it and said “I’m very sorry to hear about what happened up there in Canada.” I didn’t know what to say, so I said “Thank you very much”.

I’d been down there for the week and I was frankly a little surprised how much coverage it got. It was front page Wall Street Journal, it was on CNN, everybody knew about it. Maybe they do appreciate us standing by them during and after 9/11.

I guess everybody in Canada always knew there could be blowback for standing with our US friends in Afghanistan and elsewhere, but that’s what friends do even if there are risks. And lets face it, our American neighbors are our good friends, both personally and as nations.

It still strikes me as a senseless act of lunacy though. What’s with these people? I don’t want to blame religion, all religions are a bit nutty but most believers ignore the nutty parts and make the religion more of a reflection of their own beliefs. I could go on and on about this subject. But suffice to say if I were a young person of that persuasion this sort of thing could cause me to question my beliefs. The risk is that the crazies drive a wedge between moderates and their faith. I don’t know if that works for the best for anybody. In the same way that the Catholic church scandals haven’t really helped sell Catholicism, this can’t be good news.

Anyway, I’m with you Garth. Shooting an unarmed guard in the back was an act of psychotic cowardice and proved nothing other than that the shooter was a nut job. What a shame.

Stay strong Canada and remember to support our men and women at arms and in uniform. Sometimes that uniform makes them a target for no other reason than that they symbolize our great country.

#97 baobab on 10.26.14 at 8:40 pm

How to shift public opinion 101.

Here’s an entertaining british point of view about the way the events in Ottawa are being used by the government and the medias.

It’s not that the event is true or not that matters. It’s how it is used for other ends that really counts.

#98 John W Foster on 10.26.14 at 8:40 pm

Let’s not forget that these soldiers died protecting our rights and freedoms, even if not directly. In short, that means our democracy. For those of us not in the military, let’s show them the respect they deserve by voting tomorrow.

On another note, I coach hockey, and I had one parent sheepishly ask if it was alright if his son missed practice to go to Hamilton to see the procession for Cpt. Cirrillo. I was embarrassed that someone thought they had to ask. I hope he learned more that evening than I can ever teach him on the ice.

John W Foster

#99 Valley Renter Chick on 10.26.14 at 8:50 pm

Three – the number of times I had to leave the computer to compose myself enough to continue reading. Lovely tribute.

#100 will on 10.26.14 at 8:56 pm

thanx garth. excellent. the guy was not a “terrorist”. he was a troubled guy. who managed to get his hands on a gun. can I say that again? the guy was not a “terrorist”. he was a troubled guy.

please, everyone, when the current govt. of Canada in the coming days starts spewing shit about terrorism, just turn the tv/radio/info source of your choice, to the OFF position, and pay no attention.

He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.26.14 at 9:10 pm

Sorry “production” vs “consumption”. My mistake.
US potential reserves 190billion barrels. Saudi estimated reserves 294 billion. As far as “needing muslim oil”. Nah I disagree. There’s always some other country willing to prostitute themselves to the almighty american dollar( or military aid) to prop up their dictatorships.
Saudi Arabia and Quatar “getting a pass”? Hardly.
Insofar as the Saudi’s being the first ones to chop dissenters heads off as “punishment” not ISIS…..
Im certain the royal family there has a special place in Hell waiting for them after this mess in the middle east sorts itself out….. If Syria, Iraq, Lybia, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc etc etc are any indication….. The Saudi’s can throw dump trucks full of cash at their population but eventually they will reap what they have sown….

As for the two Canadian lunatics, losers choosing suicide by cop?
Not the first time its happened.
They just have beards and profess to be “muslim” converts. The victims were high profile. Their crime was planned, the victims targeted, ….So they had enough mental capacity to know WHAT they were doing was wrong and WHO they were doing it to……
Bury them in unmarked graves in a military latrine pit. I’ll help toss them in.

Any thought to fixing that deviated septum?

#102 fiendish Thingy on 10.26.14 at 9:12 pm

#44 Retired Boomer

Violence is a fact of life in a relatively free society. Yes, it may be a high price, but who would wish to live otherwise?

An important point to remember; while we are united in our grief, we must not let fear and anger convince us to relinquish our freedoms nor our peacekeeping role we are so justly proud of.

#103 Godth on 10.26.14 at 9:13 pm

He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth

Isn’t terrorism a political tactic? I’m still waiting for evidence that this Canadian was involved in a Jihad, or connected to mid-east groups in any way. Do you have any evidence? Emotive hyperbole doesn’t count.

#97 baobab

The way this is being used is shameless.

#104 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 9:19 pm

#19 Drill Baby Drill on 10.26.14 at 1:18 pm

Don’t get me wrong. I believe there are some very bad and evil people out there with full faculties and harm on their mind.
Especially Extremist Islamist’s who are manipulating their religion to gain power and feed their hate.

But in this case the man was in need of help. Just like the Texas woman who drowned her 5 children. They are not criminals. Their brains are scrambled like an old TV set between channels. They see things that are not there and they see things differently from reality.
Many live in constant fear.

Imagine the most frightening moment of your life. What would you do if that feeling was with you all day long every day.
What if your most bluesy down depressing day was happening to you every day.
If you think about this for a moment you will understand why many of our drug addicts self medicate.
It gets them out of that horrible feeling if even for a little while.
One of our other bloggers was good enough to post the rates of mental illness. It is a serious problem that is not getting enough air time.

#105 TurnerNation on 10.26.14 at 9:21 pm


#106 };-) aka Devil's Advocate on 10.26.14 at 9:23 pm

#92 devore on 10.26.14 at 8:30 pm

If there was ever dogmatic slavery inflicted upon the otherwise free thinking it was and is religion. Religion is the backstory to all humanities atrocities.

Religion is the opiate of the masses – Karl Marx

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” ― Napoleon

“I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don’t have as many people who believe it.” ― George Carlin

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” ― Seneca

But you should believe what you want to believe Devore as long as it doesn’t motivate you to shoot someone in the back.

#107 Stop the Political BS Garth on 10.26.14 at 9:24 pm

Garth, please stop this maudlin treacle.

It would have been better and more respectful for you just to take a day of silence than give us this kind of self-serving claptrap.

Oooh, look at us all, aren’t we so caring and patriotic!! Let’s pat ourselves on the back about how decent we all are. Gag me with a spoon!

What BS.

One loser, one innocent life lost, yes two in the last week. No massive terrorist threat, no matter what Harper will try to spin this as. You fall right into his antidemocratic gameplan.

This is seriously in bad taste, and undermines your credibility.

What political office are you planning to run for next, is all it makes me wonder….

(To be fair – you handled this much better the day of and the next day last week, with a dignified reference to events but then a focus on the ostensible purpose of your blog.)

#108 will on 10.26.14 at 9:25 pm

He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth

No its not. Its a case, to use your words, of a guy who was “troubled.” The guy needed psychiatry. There was no political motive or aim that we know of. Though I would not be surprised of the govt. makes one up.

I believe the RCMP announced same today. — Garth

#109 PVS Inquire on 10.26.14 at 9:30 pm

The man, regardless of his mental capacity, was a terrorist and will remain so in the hearts and minds of Canadians and all peace loving people.

A distinction does need to be made. The government needs to be careful in how it defines this terrorist act. It may be reasonable to separate this act from the current ‘political’ definition of terrorism. It is a very sad moment in Canadian history. It is also not necessarily a time to send out the ships.

#110 John W Foster on 10.26.14 at 9:30 pm

Garth, I agree with others and #100 Will. Terrorism has a different meaning these days. In the traditional sense, I would say you are correct, but for these times,and this case, I would posit that we don’t give this guy the pulpit of being called a “terrorist”. Let’s just leave it at whacko, albeit a whacko that could have used some help and some better friends.

#111 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 9:38 pm

He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth
I’m more inclined to believe this man was delusional like the Manitoba Greyhound Bus rider who cut off the head of a young passenger.
It is hard to understand but the human mind can be like a computer short circuiting and sparking.
There can be no telling what they are seeing in their minds eye.
I just don’t see any political strength in this mans history so far.
His weak mind was likely being led astray like a teenager snagged into the Scientology cult.

#112 will on 10.26.14 at 9:40 pm

I believe the RCMP announced same today. — Garth

You believe that? I don’t.

Read this. — Garth

#113 cmj on 10.26.14 at 9:46 pm

very moving, Garth. I am a snowbird and to see the respect and love of Nathan and our country through your incredible description is deeply appreciated. You give to us in so many ways beyond what is happening in real estate. Dorothy knows what a special person you are to her and many Canadians. Thank You……

#114 Godth on 10.26.14 at 9:47 pm

#101 crowdedelevatorfartz

If you want to root out extremism in the mid-east you have to look at Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and Israel obviously.

Follow the Money; Follow the Oil

What we’re talking about is obviously extremely complex. There are no ‘muslims’ just as there are no ‘canadians’. My grandfathers fought in WWII so that these distinctions would mean something. There are no ‘jews’ or ‘gypsies’ either. There are people, just people.

The first thing to recognize is that we’re talking about empire, there’s nothing new about that. 5% of the worlds people don’t get to consume 25% of the worlds resources by accident, it’s not just a shining city on the hill, blah, blah, blah. There’s history.

Years ago I shared a taxi to the Grande Prairie airport with an Israeli woman. As we sat in the airport chatting she said ” I can’t believe how stupid Canadians are”. Subsequently I’ve worked with people from all over the world who have made this same observation. The only defense I’ve been able to offer is that we’re ignorant and naive.

Everything is decontextualized, oversimplified, binary and emotive these days. No wonder there are people going crazy.

Perhaps we should take a breath and think things through.

#115 Julia on 10.26.14 at 9:48 pm

I get the patroitism but please he was hardly a jihadist for god’s sake!

#116 Julia on 10.26.14 at 9:54 pm

A boy with mental health problems could be your tragic son too. I grieve for the family of the shooter and for all the brown people in our country who have to feel even more unwelcome, unsafe, afraid, targeted, blamed, spit on, yelled at, scowled at, threatened, every day just because of media and Harper spin on a very tragic event. Shame.

#117 Kaganovich on 10.26.14 at 10:06 pm

#51 Tony

Hate to break it to you dude , your a complete IDIOT!


#118 omg the original on 10.26.14 at 10:10 pm

Nice piece, Garth.

And KUDOS to all those that have kept their comments focussed on the TWO soldiers killed last week by terrorists.

We can talk about real estate and investments tomorrow.

#119 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 10:13 pm

New Yorker mag weighs in on mental illness vs terrorism.

I suppose the greyhound bus beheaded was some sort of Asian terrorist as a bus load of people plus responders were terrified. Some still unable to return to work years later..

#120 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 10:18 pm

As for the video. No doubt Bibeau was coached and likely filmed as any “martyr” would get before they get their 47 virgins in heaven.
New truths will likely come out that will overshadow old truths.
I still believe this man was likely manipulated and was as mentally weak as the orphan teenagers they send to die with bombs strapped to their backs.
Time will tell if he was truly a criminal but the early indications were of mental illness.

#121 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 10:24 pm

We are not carving words on granite with chisels.

Is it just too much work to type Rest In Peace?

#122 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 10:24 pm

For the skeptics who don’t like to click on the links below is some pertinant information about Bibeau.

The gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau was not part of a well-resourced terrorist organization or Islamic sleeper cell. Immediately before the shooting, he was living in an Ottawa homeless shelter. He apparently had a long history of addiction and mental illness. In 2012 he asked a B.C. judge to send him to jail so that he could try and deal with his addiction to crack cocaine.

“I went to see the RCMP, I told them, ‘Just put me in so I could do my time for what I confessed.’ They couldn’t. So, I warned them, ‘If you can’t keep me in, I’m going to do something right now just to be put in.’ So I went to do another robbery just so I could come to jail,” Zehaf-Bibeau said he told the court in 2011.

On Dec. 15, 2011, Zehaf-Bibeau walked into a Burnaby RCMP detachment and asked to be arrested for a robbery he claimed to have committed 10 years earlier. He was briefly detained under B.C.’s Mental Health Act but later released. Hours later he attempted to rob a local McDonalds restaurant with a sharpened stick — an act so bizarre the fast food employee thought he was joking.

His case was swallowed by the yawning cracks in our broken mental health system. The court psychiatrist determined that “although he seems to be making an unusual choice, this is insufficient basis for a diagnosis of mental disorder.” In order to be admitted to a treatment facility under the Act, Zehaf-Bibeau would legally require a condition that “seriously impairs the person’s ability to react appropriately to the person’s environment, or to associate with others.”

#123 Sidera on 10.26.14 at 10:27 pm

Just got a $40 ticket for parking outside my house for more than 3 hours.


#124 Jean Gomeshi on 10.26.14 at 10:27 pm

Hello there, Garth :)

As I unexpectedly have some time on my hands, I will be posting here on a regular basis, tying in real estate, economics and hipster culture. If you find yourself enthralled by what I have to say, perhaps even attracted to me in ways you did not foresee, join my thousands of listeners who have felt the same way for years!

And if you attempt to cut off my posting privileges, I will sue you for $50 million. Just an FYI.

(Surely anything I might do in my private life is only a pale shadow compared to you and Dorothy. And hopefully not your dog.)

#125 Jim on 10.26.14 at 10:32 pm

Those who dont have the courage to defend the CCRF should not have the right to call themselves Canadian.

#126 Spiltbongwater on 10.26.14 at 10:33 pm

The shooter made a video the day before? Where was the NSA in this, and how did they not catch the key words and stop this guy?

#127 45north on 10.26.14 at 10:33 pm

nonplused : I guess everybody in Canada always knew there could be blowback for standing with our US friends in Afghanistan and elsewhere, but that’s what friends do even if there are risks. And lets face it, our American neighbors are our good friends, both personally and as nations.

that’s what I believe

if I were a young person of that persuasion this sort of thing could cause me to question my beliefs.

and if you were an alligator the coming winter in Canada would kill you.

#128 2or3orsometimes7 on 10.26.14 at 10:33 pm

Peacekeepers? Not so much these days.

#129 45north on 10.26.14 at 10:34 pm

nonplused : I mean lucky you’re not an alligator

#130 Blacksheep on 10.26.14 at 10:36 pm

“He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth”
No Garth…based on that description, it is not.

This collection of ass holes struck terror into minds of millions, but when you scan the entire document, the label “terrorist” is never used.

“These are the 25 of the most evil serial killers of the 20th Century.”

Nonsensical comparison to a man who attacked the seat of a government. — Garth

#131 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 10:47 pm


We are not carving words into granite slabs.

Surely it is not too much work to type Rest In Peace?

#132 ozy - neutrality and civic justice on 10.26.14 at 10:50 pm

that’s the way: neutrality and civic justice

until then, the innocents are not protected. but, does the leading upper-class even care?????

#133 chapter 9 on 10.26.14 at 10:51 pm

The sad and disturbing news within our military is the tragic loss of life from suicide. The number of soldiers that lost their life serving in Afghanistan from 2002 to present totals 138.
Returning members that took their own life in the same period 178.
The loss in the US is even worse 22 veterans take their life every day.
Where is the help???

#134 Woke To The Sounds Of Horking on 10.26.14 at 11:06 pm

#114 Godth
Exactly. And you could add ‘exaggerated’ to the list of how everything is.
90%+ of the comments today are unsurprisingly predictable in their tone and sentiment. Not wrong, not insincere, just predictable. It’s pure Pavlov. If this indicates the collective Canadian emotional state right now, this tragedy is ripe to be exploited to its maximum potential by those who could benefit from an angry, scared and vengeful mob mentality.

#135 Godth on 10.26.14 at 11:09 pm


The guy cracked obviously. It probably would have done him some good to connect with ‘reality’ in a more placid place. Brushing horses; milking goats…whatever, sun up -sun down.

I expect more of this as we get more lost in the mirrors of our abstract minds. The world we participate in really makes very little sense. Thankfully I’m surrounded by nature because humans are generally nuts, despite being natural but trying their best not to be, which is what makes them nuts.

#136 TS on 10.26.14 at 11:13 pm

It sucks that Nathan Cirillo is dead because he seems like a guy that had a lot to live for.

But getting shot in the back by a schizophrenic heroin / crack addict does not make one a hero.

Nor does this have anything to do with ISIS or jihadists.

The easy story here is that Cirillo is a hero, god bless Canada, #ottawastrong.

#137 person was mentally ill on 10.27.14 at 12:12 am

Sorry to inform the weak minded and gullible people but it was no terrorist act. It was just a mentally ill person. What I find scary was that a mentally ill person who obviously HAD NO PLAN was able to do what he did. The government spin that it was a terrorist attack on our freedom is just plain sick and wrong. The real question is why did the harper government fail this very obvious mentally ill person? Anyone who thinks this guy was a terrorist lacks any ability to form an independent thought. This doesn’t excuse the murder as a horrible act on an innocent hero who fought for us.

#138 UVZ on 10.27.14 at 12:20 am

RIP Nathan Cirillo.

May the nation never lose its mind because of the actions of people who have lost theirs.

#139 VICTORIA TEA PARTY on 10.27.14 at 12:25 am


St. Garth of Canadian Historical Moments, has produced a good Canadian response to the tragic events of this week gone by in Ottawa.

Was Cpl. Cirillo’s nut-bar killer a terrorist or just nuts, and in need of help from the dubiously-legitimate Mental Health Brigands?

I say he was more terrorist than a man unable to determine the legitimacy of what became his final-final behaviour.

After all, he had earlier converted to Islam, been in trouble with the law (got a free ride from that experience), and then shot a brave ON-DUTY Canadian soldier in the back.

Therefore, I can’t support his bad decision with what I believe are nonsensical excuses broadcast by the bleeding-heart handwringers (useful idiots); sorry about that. This shooting was an act of war launched against Canada and Canadians must now be more vigilant than ever.

Remember that ISIS, or some similar Islamic group, (not Jews and Christians) have threatened Canada with violence apparently as a result of the federal government’s decision to deploy some CF-18s to the Mideast Theatre in what is nothing but a symbolic act, AT THIS TIME.

What’s Canada supposed to do as events unfold in a part of the world which is clearly out of control?

Are we to hide behind the convenience of Political Correctness in a convenient surrender to a group which does not like us, or do we join the civilized world and at least make the minimal effort to push back now, KNOWING that some day we may have to push EVEN HARDER?

Don’t think that day will not happen, sadly.

Now think back to World War 1 when a Serbian nut-job, the sore-headed Mr. Princip, knocked off the Austrian Archduke and his wife in downtown Sarajevo. That was an act of war used days later by the Central powers (Germany, Austria, the Ottomans and others) to unleash that awful conflict that continues to haunt our world, including the Middle East.

The Ottawa gunman acted deliberately and he made history.

Condolensces to the young soldier’s family and friends.

And to his pet dogs. What can anyone say to them of comfort?

Pure heart break.

#140 Blacksheep on 10.27.14 at 12:33 am

“Nonsensical comparison to a man who attacked the seat of a government. — Garth”
So, is today’s blog about systemic symbolism or the loss of an innocent life?

Cause it sure looks like the system is trying to capitalize on the heightened emotional state caused by the loss of poor Nathan Cirillo to implement changes, the masses would not normally, tolerate.

What’s is a reasonable response to these unfortunate events?

Restricted access to parliament buildings,
Increased federal $ for the psychologically challenged, check.
End foreign involvement in unnecessary wars,
Maintain all civil liberties, with out exception,

#141 Jo B on 10.27.14 at 12:42 am

Shocked at so many weak knee liberal bleeding hearts falling over themselves to wrap this killer and the murderers who claimed him in the Canadian flag to deflect the blame from where it needs to be directed. We are at war….brave men will die defending these clowns.

#142 Nemesis on 10.27.14 at 12:43 am

#RegimentalLaments… #&YoungSmokingManReceivesAValuableLifeLesson…

#143 WLC on 10.27.14 at 1:33 am

This has nothing to do with terrorism. One crazy misguided mentally-ill addict killed an innocent and was then shot like a dog rather than wounded and subjected to due process. He had parents too.

Three mounties were killed in New Brunswick but that did not fit the agenda.

#144 Bucky on 10.27.14 at 2:25 am

#37 BC Nurse Prof on 10.26.14 at 3:23 pm“In the middle of all the tragedy, I am proud to live in a country which has managed to stand tall in a critical time,” the Norwegian leader told mourners at a church. “Our response is more democracy, more openness and more humanity”

Very good words to repeat here. We have to keep our freedoms in the face of adversity.

#145 live within your means on 10.27.14 at 3:30 am

#16 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.26.14 at 1:09 pm.
#37 BC Nurse Prof on 10.26.14 at 3:23 pm & #47 OttawaMike on 10.26.14 at 4:48 pm

Agree with your sentiments.

I feel sad for both of them. I’m an Agnostic so will leave it at that.

#146 BillyBob on 10.27.14 at 3:37 am

Well-written article, thank you.

The story made the news briefly even here overseas. Obviously as a Canadian with many ties to military members it struck a chord.

As many others have stated, I too am uneasy that the current government will use it as a reason to impose more curtails to individual privacy and freedoms. Whether sinister or well-intentioned, doesn’t matter. Once certain rights are gone, they are very hard to get back.

But to me the defining image of the whole sad situation is that of several Canadians, all strangers, all trying their hardest to save this young man’s life and comfort him while doing so. THAT to me is the very best of what it means to be Canadian. Or to be human.

#147 Neil on 10.27.14 at 5:18 am

Troubled shooter? Burn in Hell with the rest of your jihadist scum.

#148 bug eye and sad about it on 10.27.14 at 6:44 am


#149 bigrider on 10.27.14 at 7:53 am

Very little attention or commentary from you Garth regarding MIC’s (mortgage investment corporations).

Do they make up a aprt of your investment portfolio’s ?

Of course not. Told you that previously. — Garth

#150 maxx on 10.27.14 at 8:15 am

It’s easy to see the beauty and goodness of Nathan’s soul.

It’s hard to accept that all of the good that soul could and would have done is now lost to us.

RIP sweet angel.

#151 bigrider on 10.27.14 at 8:46 am

#150 bigrider on 10.27.14 at 7:53 am
Very little attention or commentary from you Garth regarding MIC’s (mortgage investment corporations).

Do they make up a aprt of your investment portfolio’s ?

Of course not. Told you that previously. — Garth

You’re right, you did but can’t remember what it was that you didn’t like about them.

What was it about them that you didn’t like ?

Everything. — Garth

#152 Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 10.27.14 at 9:13 am

Just read through all of the conspiracy nut-bars, liberal bleeding hearts, and negative comments on this blog I wasn’t appalled at all. This is what this country is about freedom of speech, freedom to choose your religion, freedom to live in peace. So to all the naysayers out there thank the people that stand on guard for thee! The ones that in times of peril turn and face it. Its easy to make comments from the comfort of your home. Try it while under fire!
Just a note Canada, the extremist whacos are just the beginning, its the quite ones we have to watch. They are the dangerous ones. Don’t fool yourselves there is no reasoning with this type of perverted thinking from Islam.

#153 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.27.14 at 9:16 am

@#124 Jian Gomeshi

Leave the dog alone !

#154 Yuus bin Haad on 10.27.14 at 9:37 am

What a great forum for free-wheeling discussion Garth provides. If this one’s not talked out, things that were never supposed to happen again will.

#155 cramar on 10.27.14 at 9:48 am

Garth, moved me to tears. Well written. Thank you.

#156 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 9:54 am

#106 Will: “There was no political motive or aim that we know of. Though I would not be surprised of the govt. makes one up.”


Did the terrorist not cut a video the day before the cowardly murder…to be released to the public shortly?

#157 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 9:56 am


#158 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 10:04 am

143 WLC: “This has nothing to do with terrorism.”


He wanted to travel to Syria to study the Qur’an. Is that not clear enuf?

#159 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 10:10 am

#120 Never: “I still believe this man was likely manipulated and was as mentally weak as the orphan teenagers they send to die with bombs strapped to their backs.”


Mentally ill…as are all these extremists. Misfits.

#160 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 10:16 am

#115 Julia: “…he was hardly a jihadist for god’s sake!”


Well on his way to becoming one. Dressing in black to intimidate — cowards wearing masks.

#161 Toronto_CA on 10.27.14 at 10:17 am

Oil prices now trading at around $79.50, just like Garth said south of $80. If this stays down it’s going to be a bad time for Canada as a whole!

#162 gladiator on 10.27.14 at 10:22 am

He terrified hundreds of people and murdered one. Is that not terrorism? — Garth

Aren’t our armies doing the same in countries overseas? Not only killing locals who fight against their invaders, but also murdering civilians and, worst of all, children as collateral damage? Are we not terrifying them in their own countries and homes? And after that should we expect them to love us?

Just some questions…

#163 ozy - you can't avoid GOD on 10.27.14 at 11:54 am

RE:#133 chapter 9 on 10.26.14 at 10:51 pm

Regarding those secretly kept huge number of suicides on returning combat troops/soldiers….

It appears to me, you can’t go killing people in their own lands, without your conscience and GOD catching up to you. A crime it’s a crime, a war crime it’s even worse, because it is carefully planned by the masters that control the puppet generals. A crime at war, it’s the worse, because you land fully armored like a killing machine and just spread bullets or plane bombs. Shame on all countries/fake governments that employ EVIL KILLING

#164 takla on 10.27.14 at 11:56 am

re#163..agreed..these actions are as old as the hills,only it happens this time on OUR soil. We have been sheltered by geography as has the u.s.a.
Our linked “strategic interests” {oil/gas}with the U.S will continue to alienate those in the middle east who “own” the resources under their territories.
before any short thinkers chime in and say “rubbish..we have lots of oil” Id argue do some research.the world may have all the oil it needs currently but what about in 5 yrs/10/20/50 yrs??.
Major economies all over the world are jockeying to lock in resources as they Know resource depletion will send us back to the stone-age in terms of power generation in the not so distant future.

#165 Son of Ponzi on 10.27.14 at 11:59 am

Didn’t take long!

Bill to expand CSIS’s powers to be tabled on Monday.

#166 abu bin laden on 10.27.14 at 12:00 pm

Justin Trudeau insists the terrorists are just misunderstood. The liberals advocating more Canadian aid will curb Islamic blood lust. Now what were the words to that huggy liberal song again( sing to ‘this land is your land’)

‘This land is Iran…this land is Afghanistan…we used to be Canada…by the liberals flushed that down the can’. From the clear blue waters to the western highlands….this land will kneel down to Islam’.

Thanks Justin..we appreciate you’re pandering to the enemy.

#167 Bottoms_Up on 10.27.14 at 12:07 pm

#140 Blacksheep on 10.27.14 at 12:33 am
ok…..when exactly was the last shooting inside parliament before last wednesday?

#168 takla on 10.27.14 at 12:08 pm

my last post reminds me of that old Saudi saying..”my granddad rode a camel,my dad drove an old pickup truck,I drive a lamborgini sports car,my son will drive a battery powered smart car, and my grandson will ride a camel!

#169 Bottoms_Up on 10.27.14 at 12:15 pm

#139 VICTORIA TEA PARTY on 10.27.14 at 12:25 am
Agree, yes, this man was perfectly capable of:

1) working in Alberta and saving up money
2) buying a car
3) travelling to visit and hang out with family members (his mom and grandmother)
4) stealing a gun from his grandmothers house
5) planning a targeted attack on a Canadian solider and on parliament
6) committing an act of terrorism on a Canadian solider and on parliament

The attack followed another attack in Quebec, and coincided with Canada’s war efforts in the middle east.

This doesn’t mean he didn’t suffer from some sort of mental illness, but it is clear his intention was to go down in flames as a terrorist.

#170 Bottoms_Up on 10.27.14 at 12:20 pm

#133 chapter 9 on 10.26.14 at 10:51 pm
News has reported that our military has and is taking drastic measures to support our troops affected by PTSD.

#171 Raging Ranter on 10.27.14 at 12:20 pm

That was beautiful. Not another word to be said. If I could write half as well… I’d have written something half as good as this, saying exactly the same things.

#172 Bottoms_Up on 10.27.14 at 12:28 pm

#32 Smudgekin on 10.26.14 at 2:42 pm
and I wonder how many women and children might die if ISIS is allowed to flourish?

They have already committed atrocious acts against humanity. They have already raped, mutilated and murdered innocent women and children.

So we are just suppose to sit idly by so they can build a nationstate whereby they train terrorists to do harm to innocents across the world?

#173 Mike in Toronto on 10.27.14 at 12:29 pm

#159 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 10:04 am
143 WLC: “This has nothing to do with terrorism.”


He wanted to travel to Syria to study the Qur’an. Is that not clear enuf?

… umm, he wanted to go to Saudi Arabia to study the Qur’an, not Syria.

The police misreported what his mother told them.

‘“Our guys realized that they made a mistake” after reviewing the taped interview with the mother, Cabana said. He said the force did not see a need to correct the record because extremist travellers destined for Syria often go first to places like Saudi Arabia or Turkey.’

This is an important detail because the political response is different depending on whether it is a mental health issue or a terrorism issue. Mental health issues are politically nuianced .

#174 Blacksheep on 10.27.14 at 1:02 pm

Daisy Mae # 159,

143 WLC: “This has nothing to do with terrorism.”
“He wanted to travel to Syria to study the Qur’an. Is that not clear enuf?”
“In a lengthy written statement to Postmedia News on Saturday, Susan Bibeau said her son was anxious to travel to Saudi Arabia — not Syria as police have stated — but when his passport application kept being held up, he likely felt cornered, “unable to stay in the life he was in, unable to move on to the next one he wanted to go to.”

“RCMP Deputy Commissioner Mike Cabana confirmed that earlier statements by police that Zehaf-Bibeau had intended to travel to Syria were incorrect.”

““Our guys realized that they made a mistake” after reviewing the taped interview with the mother, Cabana said.”

“He said the force did not see a need to correct the record because extremist travellers destined for Syria often go first to places like Saudi Arabia or Turkey.”

“Bibeau wrote that she asked police to correct the misinformation, but Cabana said they have no record of the request. Had they known, they would have done so, Cabana said.”

#175 Alex N Calgary on 10.27.14 at 1:12 pm

Great writing Garth, I really enjoy your pieces about Canada on the occasion they aren’t real-estate and economy focused (those are great too). A touching story, keep up the good work!

#176 None on 10.27.14 at 1:30 pm

#90 };-) aka Devil’s Advocate on 10.26.14 at 8:15 pm
I posted at #86 before reading the editorial. My apologies.


I don’t usually agree with your posts DA but kudos to you for being a class act here.

#177 OttawaMike on 10.27.14 at 2:23 pm

170 bottoms up

My relative held down a job working with the public while in psychosis. They also passed an interview for a supervisory position at another employer but imagined being chased by a hallucination of a gang chasing them across the parking lot.
Psychosis is very difficult to detect unless you are a trained professionals in psychiatry.
The perpetrator could very well done those listed activities in your post and still been completely delusional.
The greyhound beheaded had the wherewithal to purchase a ticket and pack a knife on his crime.

#178 r1200c on 10.27.14 at 3:56 pm

“So seeing a jihadist shooting in Parliament, murdering a guy in a kilt – because he was symbolic – is deeply shocking.”

I guess we all are propagating the “message” mass media wants us to.

Russell Brand had a very good reply to Harper’s Video…

Explains to us how quickly we all are to use the term “Terrorist” when it’s been sold as that.

#179 T.J.BONES on 10.27.14 at 4:03 pm

Sir Garth: In Retrospect:
Now Harper and the Neoreformaconvicts, can now see the error of their ways. They gave the Gun control nutbars everything they wanted, and now they are the ones this jihadi’s when for. The Long Gun Registry is dead, how are they ” the Police ” going to trace the gun to?? They can,t. End of the Harperites, welcome to the new reality, Canada! There is no way to defend yourself, because Harper gave all the criminals the guns to blow us away. End of Rant!

#180 Kenchie on 10.27.14 at 4:05 pm

Interest read: “No, Americans Are Not All To Blame for the Financial Crisis”

#181 Blacksheep on 10.27.14 at 4:07 pm

#140 Blacksheep on 10.27.14 at 12:33 am
ok…..when exactly was the last shooting inside parliament before last wednesday?

#182 mike davies on 10.27.14 at 4:10 pm

AMEN – thanks Garth.

#183 Kenchie on 10.27.14 at 4:29 pm

The “Nifty Fifty” 40 years later. Lessons to be learned for investors:

#184 Julia on 10.27.14 at 4:55 pm

Harper’s shameless move to steal away more freedoms.

#185 Honey Dripper on 10.27.14 at 5:01 pm

Beautifully written, thank you. RIP Cpl. Cirillo

#186 Reasonfirst on 10.27.14 at 5:09 pm

Calling them “lone wolves” makes them sound grand and is an insult to the wolf.

#187 john on 10.27.14 at 5:12 pm

Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 10:04 am
143 WLC: “This has nothing to do with terrorism.”


He wanted to travel to Syria to study the Qur’an. Is that not clear enuf?

So the HOMELESS man with NO MONEY wanted to goto
Saudi Arabia ? LOL did you get that? The HOMELESS mentally ill man wanted to goto Saudi Arabia to study . Is that not clear enough?

#188 Glen on 10.27.14 at 5:13 pm

Touching words, Garth. Thank you.

#189 john on 10.27.14 at 5:16 pm

abu bin laden on 10.27.14 at 12:00 pm
Justin Trudeau insists the terrorists are just misunderstood. The liberals advocating more Canadian aid will curb Islamic blood lust. Now what were the words to that huggy liberal song again( sing to ‘this land is your land’)

‘This land is Iran…this land is Afghanistan…we used to be Canada…by the liberals flushed that down the can’. From the clear blue waters to the western highlands….this land will kneel down to Islam’.

Thanks Justin..we appreciate you’re pandering to the enemy.

You seem mentally ill. please seek help and or educate yourself.

#190 john on 10.27.14 at 5:20 pm

Holy Crap Wheres The Tylenol on 10.27.14 at 9:13 am
Just read through all of the conspiracy nut-bars, liberal bleeding hearts, and negative comments on this blog I wasn’t appalled at all. This is what this country is about freedom of speech, freedom to choose your religion, freedom to live in peace. So to all the naysayers out there thank the people that stand on guard for thee! The ones that in times of peril turn and face it. Its easy to make comments from the comfort of your home. Try it while under fire!
Just a note Canada, the extremist whacos are just the beginning, its the quite ones we have to watch. They are the dangerous ones. Don’t fool yourselves there is no reasoning with this type of perverted thinking from Islam.

You do know most people laugh and or feel sorry for those who are gullible to join the armed forces in private. People just pretend in public to care about the military because of the thought police. I find NA interesting where people repeat lies all the while not believing one word they are saying.

#191 Renter's Revenge! on 10.27.14 at 5:51 pm

“The “Nifty Fifty” 40 years later.” – #184 Kenchie

Nice link! Looks like an interesting blog.

#192 nonconfidencevote on 10.27.14 at 5:52 pm

@john 190,191
“You seem mentally ill……..”

Speaking from experience?

#193 Debtfree on 10.27.14 at 6:00 pm

Unbelievable , no ammo , no body amour , no fighting chance . Are all the honour guards around the world unarmed as our are, hopefully were ? And are there any of these strip of nut bars in the world that are not aware that our honour guards are sitting ducks . It’s 2014 . Why , in the parliment complex would they not be also wired ala Google glass ? If it had really been isil it would have been a slaughter . We’ve all dropped the ball by electing an incompetent government , obviously.

#194 Daisy Mae on 10.27.14 at 8:35 pm

#188 john
Daisy Mae
143 WLC: “This has nothing to do with terrorism.”


He wanted to travel to Syria to study the Qur’an. Is that not clear enuf?

So the HOMELESS man with NO MONEY wanted to goto
Saudi Arabia ? LOL did you get that? The HOMELESS mentally ill man wanted to go to Saudi Arabia to study . Is that not clear enough?


Don’t be an ass.

#195 SWL1976 on 10.27.14 at 10:49 pm

Well said, Sir Garth

#196 Tha Bruce on 10.28.14 at 12:03 am

Garth, I’ve never commented but often read. And tonight I did so out loud to my family.

We wanted you to know that we were all moved by your recounting.

#197 D on 10.28.14 at 1:32 am

That was a very moving post and it makes sense that people attach a broader meaning to Cpl. Cirillo. That’s natural. But we also must not lose common sense. An ISIS terrorist attack this was not. It was the act of an isolated and mentally ill man.

If a crazy person hears smurfs telling him to murder someone, we don’t ban saturday morning cartoons. That would be absurd. Similarly, we should not blame ISIS for this attack when there is no evidence they were involved, no matter how despicable we believe them to be.

Blind vengeance is what led to this tragedy and it leads us down a dark path of jingoism, militarism and nationalism. It is too easy and we are a better people than our governments think us to be. Cpl. Cirillo reflected the best in us, we should try to live up to his stoicism in the face of our leaders attempts at manipulation.

#198 Mr. Frugal on 10.28.14 at 11:17 am

Hundreds turned out for Cpl. Cirillo’s funeral march. I don’t think anyone is going to miss that dirt-bag jihadist, who shall remain unnamed.

Thanks Nathan for making Canada a better place.

#199 UVZ on 10.28.14 at 1:53 pm

Those who have maintained rationality and calmness in the face of a house-horny, credit-binging economy can maintain their rationality and calmness in the face of the cowardly murder of young soldiers.

Nathan Cirillo would will it because that is the essence of true combat. Don’t overreact.

#200 Mike on 10.28.14 at 5:03 pm

Well said. The nice about Canadians is that we still see the good in everything. We honour this young man and what he represents in Canada. As one standing on the streets of Hamilton Friday night, it was a proud moment. Rather than wallow in “getting even”, we honour this man’s life. Still Proud to Be Canadian.