Leadership

On the night of Tuesday, November 28, 2006 I walked onto the floor of the House of Commons clutching my Blackberry and a sheaf of papers. As usual I nodded to the prime minister as I passed his seat. He glared, then looked away.

In about thirty minutes we would vote on a motion that disturbed me deeply. It was simple.

“That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada.”

Stephen Harper was pissed again, even after throwing me out of his party and forcing me to sit as a powerless independent MP. My crime had been blogging, and involving individual Canadians in the political process. Days before, I had written this:

So, one of the House of Commons pages delivered a small, green lectern to Stephen Harper’s desk just at the end of Question Period. He put his notes on it – about twenty pages each containing one paragraph, set in big type. I watched him slick down his hair with his fingers, and waited for him to stand and make an anticipated statement.

He got up, and in less than one minute he’d blurted it out. Quebecois are “a nation,” he said, standing in the centre of the Canadian House of Commons. Then he added, his government would table a motion in Parliament declaring that. Within seconds his caucus was on its feet cheering, followed by almost all of the Liberals and NDP members.

So why did Stephen Harper do this? The move surprised and shocked everyone, and was taken as a brilliant tactical move since the Bloc Quebecois was about to introduce the same motion itself. So the reason was not to thwart a constitutional crisis or prevent a civil war. It was not to stop Canada from being torn apart, with horrible economic consequences for all of us. It wasn’t to rescue the dollar or the stock market or our military installations or to maintain a corridor to Atlantic Canada. It was done for politics. And political power.

Do any of us think the Bloc Quebecois and their separatist friends will give up because of this? Will they not cheer the fact Quebec is about to be declared “a nation” in the Parliament of Canada? Won’t this form the building block of sovereignty upon which Quebec nationalists feel justified in standing and asking for more powers, more autonomy, more control of their own destiny.

How could it have happened so quickly, so effortlessly, without opposition or question? How could MPs, hearing this for the first time, be on their feet cheering within moments? Are the people we send to this place falling that much out of touch with folks in Red Deer and Nanaimo and Brockville and Wolfville.

For a political goal in uncertain winds; for the survival of a government losing altitude; for the vanity of a prime minister testing his wings, we may just have cashed in the country.

I used my blog to ask Canadians for their vote on making the Quebecois a “nation”. Tens of thousands responded, making the online poll the largest sampling of public opinion on the issue. I typed up the results and made 308 copies, then had the House of Commons pages put one on every MP’s desk that night before the vote. I sat and watched as it was delivered to Harper, opposite me. He looked at it, looked at me, and threw it on the floor.

The vote was 266 to 16. A few Conservatives sat on their hands. Fifteen Liberals joined with me in standing to oppose. The separatists all supported it, of course. And in less than an hour, the Canadian Parliament had declared one of its ten provinces was a nation.

I thought of that this weekend as I read Pierre’s letter to this blog:

Here in Montreal where I live, the real estate market is frozen, prices starting to plunge & lots of restsos & lounges for sale as people want to get out in case the PQs get in. My dermatologist’s assistant locked into a newer condo complex but hasn’t taken possesion yet. The condo two stories above them is listed for $100,000 less than they agreed to pay 8 months ago! You can get lofts in Mont Tremblant from $99,000 -$189,000 (the higher end one is near 2000 sq ft. with pool & other amenities. If the PQ party gets in the economy could collapse like they did to it in the 1990s. Just in the 1990s they could pile on debt like there was no tomorrow, now they can’t do that, Quebec is on the cusp of a Moody’s credit downgrade while our federal government piles on debt still and tries to put out a fire with the housing market bubble they created.

If the polls are correct, it would appear the separatist Parti Quebecois will win the province on Tuesday and form a government. Leader Pauline Marois says she’ll be happy to have another referendum on Quebec independence if just 15% of voters ask for one. She’s also on record as wanting to refuse immigrants the right to English schooling or to run for office if their French sucks. She would create Quebec citizenship, probably with passports.

The economic consequences will be evident Tuesday night for Montrealers and anybody in the province owning real estate nobody else wants. There’ll also be repercussions eventually for Canada, the dollar and the economy. There always are. No fearmongering intended – it’s just a fact of history.

And if Marois takes the prize, pushes for unreasonable demands, then crafts a referendum, who will argue for Canada? The prime minister’s already retreated. He’d hoped giving in to the separatists would win him more support in a province which turned and voted en masse for Jack Layton.

There might be a lesson in there. Stand up for principle.

258 comments ↓

#1 Brian on 09.02.12 at 6:15 pm

Can we just kick the province out this time instead? I’m so sick of the whiny teenagers (Quebec) screaming for more pie. Throw em out on their asses and they’ll be crying to get back in within months.

#2 TurnerNation on 09.02.12 at 6:16 pm

Take the day off!!

#3 blase on 09.02.12 at 6:20 pm

You’re the man, man.

#4 Gypsy Kid on 09.02.12 at 6:25 pm

egad…Brian, I hear you but it’s impossible.

are we so daft as a nation that we put that evil man in power three times???

Garth, cant think about politics. It makes me crazy!

#5 City Slicker on 09.02.12 at 6:30 pm

This is not a bad idea, own your own homestead with out tax or utility payments for $6k. Would work great for those living in tent cities in the US:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJsDOD0dTQI&feature=related

#6 City Slicker on 09.02.12 at 6:31 pm

Garth what repercussions would there be for the rest of Canada if Quebec separates? Wouldn’t that be like Greece and Spain leaving the Euro Zone – it would take the weight off

#7 Robin on 09.02.12 at 6:32 pm

The world needs more men like you now, Garth. Do the right.

#8 Chris C. on 09.02.12 at 6:32 pm

There are two things that would bring Alberta back in the black; 1) Separation of Quebec from Canada. 2) Voting out the NDP (read P.C.) provincial party and vote in the Wildrose. Let’s get back to being fiscal conservatives shall we!

#9 pathcontrolmonk on 09.02.12 at 6:37 pm

Can’t we just give the separatists Labrador?

#10 Retired Boomer - WI on 09.02.12 at 6:38 pm

We have mouthy Texans wanting to cede from the union.
You have Quebec. We could contemplate a trade…we get Quebec, you get Texas…nah, you would have to throw in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, and we”ll include NM CA and AZ…….Think about that deal!

Seriously, this would be a disaster for all should the silly Francophones really contemplate financial & social suicide.

#11 SRV on 09.02.12 at 6:40 pm

Thanks Garth!

Of course you were right… Harper would do anything (or anybody) to cling to power, and the fallout could be the end of Canada as we know it.

Still find it hard to believe there were enough brain-dead Canadians to vote Harper back in last time(although I firmly believe Jack had him beat had the slime machine not got him with that last minute massage parlor hit job… R.I.P. Jack).

#12 vatoDETH on 09.02.12 at 6:43 pm

Garth! It’s a holiday weekend! Take a break! ;-)

#13 Terry on 09.02.12 at 6:44 pm

Harper’s legacy just might outdo Bush.

#14 smartalox on 09.02.12 at 6:47 pm

Out of curiosity Garth, what were the results of your online poll? (The ones that you distributed to all 308 members)

#15 Old Man on 09.02.12 at 6:55 pm

This is just my humble no nothing opinion, as Casear has a hidden agenda as would love to see Quebec separate from Canada, as it is all about divide and conquer, so he can bring in the North American Union for his masters who are hiding behind the curtain, as Caesar has no morals; no conscience; and no love for Canada.

#16 george on 09.02.12 at 7:05 pm

I think the folks at Webster Dictionary should add the following to their definition for the word “stimulus”:

When governments borrow from the future in a desperate attempt to preserve an unsustainable past.

#17 Chris Scott on 09.02.12 at 7:06 pm

@brian we’re not all whiny teens here in Quebec. Some of us are Anglos marrying French girls and making French babies.

#18 50% correction predictor on 09.02.12 at 7:10 pm

Then all the money and capital will flood Toronto. And so there goes your RE bubble claim.

#19 Fartweezel on 09.02.12 at 7:15 pm

While this isn’t directly related to real estate it sure is nice to hear an insider’s opinion on the matter. This is very important for Canada and our future.

Thank You Garth

#20 Barry Lainof on 09.02.12 at 7:23 pm

50% correction predictor

Last referendum in Quebec affected the LOONIE, hiked interests rates by BofC and there you will have your RE bubble pop in Toronto and the rest of Canada.

#21 Hoof - Hearted on 09.02.12 at 7:34 pm

#10 Retired Boomer – WI on 09.02.12 at 6:38 pm

We have mouthy Texans wanting to cede from the union.
You have Quebec. We could contemplate a trade…we get Quebec, you get Texas…nah, you would have to throw in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, and we”ll include NM CA and AZ…….Think about that deal!

Seriously, this would be a disaster for all should the silly Francophones really contemplate financial & social suicide.

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Yeah…I knew this day would arrive eventually…. Alll that Quebec bluff… Sooner or later rest of Canada will say SHUT OFF THE TAP$$$….and STFU.

#22 George on 09.02.12 at 7:35 pm

Survey by fed ombudsman suggests feds may be cooking sole-source contracts

#23 Chris Scott on 09.02.12 at 7:35 pm

To those outside Quebec, the sky is not necessarily falling:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/defending-quebec-or-at-least-explaining-it/article4512773/?service=mobile

#24 GTA Girl on 09.02.12 at 7:42 pm

My love for Quebec is deep. I escape to its mountains when the grind/bleakness of Toronto is too much.

The people have great pride, great culture. Not often that on a blustery afternoon at a public ski cafeteria on top of a mountain, will a entire room of Quebecoise break into song. Old French songs that bring tears and laughter.

I think Harper has engineered this. I believe the investigation into corruption in Quebec was put forth by factions in Ottawa and Ontario. That instead of the sicilians, you will now have Ontario Calabrians. Many who back Harpers top Ministers, run their campaigns, and have enormous fundraisers pouring in cash coming from the construction industry.

Quebec has changed masters. The PQ will be a figurehead to galvanize support for Harper outside Quebec. Meanwhile Harper has secured his top people into key roles, such as the Port of Montreal.

Yes, Canada has had corruption in its past. But this time, it’s far more influential and calling the shots.

With electoral fraud, robo calls, suppression and Elections Canada being impotent, Canada is on a truly dangerous path.

#25 QuebecGirlInVancouver on 09.02.12 at 7:45 pm

I’m guessing there aren’t too many Quebec francophones reading this blog, so you’re preaching to the choir… I doubt that a PQ victory would really have such serious consequences on the housing market in Montreal and/or the rest of Québec – sure, the anglophone neighbourhoods might get hit, but the majority of people in Québec are francophones and they’re not about to leave the province. So, some impact? Sure. That large an impact? I doubt it. Time will tell…

Also, just saying, as a French-speaking Montreal-born Québécoise currrently residing in Vancouver, I’m always amazed at how much more ROC anglophones worry about Quebec separation than Quebec francophones do. Seriously, if there was a referendum tomorrow morning and the options were “yes”, “no” and “whatever”, the “whatever” camp would reap an overwhelming majority of the votes. And really, a vote for the PQ is not necessarily a vote for independence; the political landscape in Québec has the yes/no and left/right axes very highly confounded, so there is a dearth of political choices for left-leaning-yet-non-separatist people in Québec. A lot of people right now are voting for the party they hate the least rather than for any party they truly care about. Just something to keep in mind.

#26 GTA Girl on 09.02.12 at 7:47 pm

SRV; that last minute smear job on Layton, was brought forward by Ontario’s former top cop. His hatred for Layton, Chow and their friend, Susan Eng was legendary.

It’s convenient that a former cops notebook would be pushed forward at the most convenient time.

This isn’t just political dirty tricks, it is corruption that rots our country’s very core.

#27 Mark W on 09.02.12 at 7:47 pm

Quebec will never be an “independent” country.

They have one of two choices:

(1) Stay within Canada, or,

(2) Become a puppet of the United States.

Do you think for one second that the Americans are going to allow a bunch of Quebec seperatists control the St. Lawrence Seaway; which links to the most important military industrial complex on earth?

A United States military seizure of the St. Lawrence Seaway and all shipping would be a mathematical consequence.

Realpolitiks.

#28 Nostradamus Le Mad Vlad on 09.02.12 at 7:51 pm


“So why did Stephen Harper do this? It was done for politics. And political power.” — #15 Old Man has it right — divide and conquer.

Now Harper’s promise — “You won’t even recognize this country when I’m through with it” has come to fruition. Besides, NAmerica is run by outside interests, who don’t give a fat rat’s ass about us.
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10:31 clip Iran / Iraq lies the same, Iran Uranium needs to be enriched to 90% or more to have nuke WMD, not 65%. At last count, Israel has roughly 400 of them and tried selling a few to SAfrica a couple of years ago. This is the same “Iraq has nukes” propaganda all over again, plus this and this; However, good news; TPP No wonder it’s so secretive; Take The Long Road Home Pix from Voyager 1; Desmond Tutu He forgot the other conspirators; Ins. Cos. and home damage from the weather; Nuke Experimentation killed free power. Note the word ‘free’, as it means no profits; Stupid Is As Stupid Does “Seriously, remember in Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” where the lower classes had their brains deliberately damaged by the rulers to make the workers more obedient and docile? Life imitates art?” wrh.com; GW / GC Interesting. Sheds new light; Contaminated Oceans It’s a mess out there. I can understand why Voyager 1 is leaving, and ‘Quake time?

#29 Sebee on 09.02.12 at 7:53 pm

#17 Chris Scott

Your babies are Frenglos, no?

#30 Republic_of_Western_Canada on 09.02.12 at 7:54 pm

Queb who?

#31 Yuus bin Haad on 09.02.12 at 7:55 pm

Les Québécois n’ont pas les couilles de se séparer.

#32 The American on 09.02.12 at 8:06 pm

From previous post at#172: Basil Fawlty, you may need to go back to school. You limed over 100 million Americans live n poverty. The fact is actually 16% of people living in the U.S., meaning including illegal aliens, or 49 million live in poverty. It is believed over 1/3 of this number is comprised of illegal immigrants. 2 out of 5 Americans reported receiving some kind of government assistance. This would include everything from food stamps to Medicare to Medicaid to college grants to planned parenthood to public medicl clinics to supplemental programs for single mothers to business grants for minorities and women. This “data” paints a horrific picture when stated as a blind term of “government assistance” (everyone thinks only of food stamps when they hear government assistance, without cnsidering the full scope of the meaning of the tem).

#33 bruce on 09.02.12 at 8:06 pm

For former english Quebecer’s whose non french european settler roots like my own built the Province since the time when it was called Lower Canada- what the non european french have done to the Province and non french people amounts to nothing less than “cultural anilation”.

#34 NoName on 09.02.12 at 8:25 pm

In Quebec there is no rush to make sovereignty referendum, as they wont us to believe, they know outcome already, why rock the boat when equalization payments is so generous…

http://tinypic.com/r/2im4cc7/6

#35 LilyFlor on 09.02.12 at 8:26 pm

While prices might be frozen , I don’t see any decline in home prices in the 450 west island section of Montreal. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to home prices and the economy as a whole if the PQ win

#36 Herb on 09.02.12 at 8:30 pm

It would be nice to see our little sorcerer’s apprentice Steve hoist on his own petard. (I’m not even sorry for the mangled metaphors.)

After that, saner heads will take over and prevail. There are other Canadians and provinces to be heard from. It will be a mess, but it might be worth it to bury the beast of separatism once and for all.

#37 chaser on 09.02.12 at 8:45 pm

I sense that you don’t like Harper.

#38 Westernman on 09.02.12 at 8:46 pm

To all it may concern,
Lets hope the separatists get their way – this thorn in our side commonly referred to as Quebec needs to be shown the door. Apparently the rest of Canada can’t find the Kahunas to do what needs to be done so lets hope they do it for us…
It would be the best thing to happen to the rest of Canada in the country’s history…

You are truly delusional. — Garth

#39 Tim on 09.02.12 at 8:48 pm

Quebec won’t separate. The younger folk know what a good deal they have. The Cree want their pensions. If there was ever a time to score nice digs in Westmount or Outremont, we may just get our opportunity. Ontario has more debt per capita than Quebec. Quebec has tonnes of resources, it will be in a good position regardless. The PQ is shameless, but many Canadians are too ignorant to even understand why people would want to hold on to their culture, as there is so little in the rest of Canada. By the way Garth, you called it wrong on real estate, but three years later you are finally correct. Too bad for those who listened to you three years earlier, they would have been better off ignoring you and buying property

#40 Paulzen on 09.02.12 at 8:48 pm

If the pq wins, there is good and bad news……for one, the quebec taxpayers take a hit ( then again there are very few actual tax payers in quebec), additional useless expanditures by the province will just plunge it Into a spiral of debt like Greece. The good news is that the rest of nort America gets a cheap third world country with a European flair to got on holidays.
Eitherway

#41 truth hammer on 09.02.12 at 8:49 pm

Many have already voted with their wallets and sold out of Quebec based companies….Power Corp….Alimentation Couche Tard…National Bank…SNC Lavalin….etc……as you can see by observing the sell off in all Quebec related issues despite the rally of June and July of all CDN equities. Head offices have all left Montreal long ago. I wouldn’t touch Quebec based REITS or single props with a ten foot pole…..obviously the smart money is ‘out of Quebec’.

This is all the fault of the Trudeau Liberals who pandered to Quebec soveriegnty during the multicultural raping of the Canadian democracy in favour of divide and conquer Bolivarian ‘Hacienda’s’.

During the last referendum Cretian allowed the Quebec based Canadian troops to be confined to barracks in the event that they would be repatriated over to Quebec’s national interest after a successful referendum. The Liberals allowed Quebec to contract a seperate line of credit to stockpile currency to avoid a run on the dollar should the referendum be successful..and they used it to intervene in the falling dollar spreads in the weeks before the vote. Somehow the Cretian Liberals had decided that the million Cree natives were pawns in their game and would be handed over to the French like chattel……and the French have proven to be violently opposed to non French factions within their ‘pur laine’ population of rascist francophones.

Canada continues to send billions into building Quebec infrastructure in an excercise of nation building at the ROC’s expense…….who’s fooling who?

The French are fortunate and should be universally grateful that the British and subsequently Canada was chosen to be their political hosts as opposed to any other colonial power. Look at what the legacy of a French Belgian, Spanish or Portuguese overlordship would have given them. Under any other political leadership the French would have been wiped out as an after thought. Quebec is a spoiled and ungrateful whelp due a good spanking.

#42 Tim on 09.02.12 at 8:52 pm

Once again, Harper did something to further his own interests, just like every decision he has made since he’s been in power. He’s a puppet to big oil interests, at the expense of the environment, and he is kissing ass to the Chinese to sell them our resources. He has pissed away the surplus Paul Martin build up and he is a disgrace to Canadians and shame on the ignorant people who voted for him.

#43 jack frost on 09.02.12 at 8:53 pm

well looks like prices are going back up in toronto for real estate . Time for you to come out of the closet !

#44 Hugh Jasz on 09.02.12 at 8:55 pm

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#45 Hoof - Hearted on 09.02.12 at 8:57 pm

If Ontario racing dies, so will 13,000 horses

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/791670–if-ontario-racing-dies-so-will-13-000-horses

Dead race horses. Thousands of them. Not good for business if your business is horse racing.

In Ontario, a rising death knell for the financially gutted industry — facing track closures and withering purses in a best-case scenario — also peels for the beautiful four-legged creatures who carry jockeys and pull sulkies around 17 racing ovals.

A government panel assembled in June to study the sport’s dim future has forecast a mass slaughter of up to 13,000 thoroughbreds, standardbreds and quarter horses by early next year should the industry collapse completely. Already, it’s expected two-thirds of Ontario tracks will close, there will be fewer racing days, less money in the prize pot and therefore, less reason for owners and breeders to maintain expensive animals who may not have a place to run.

etc. etc.
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Quite sad..but a sign of the times and the demographics..how many young people go to the racetrack ?

#46 Hoof - Hearted on 09.02.12 at 8:59 pm

Canada versus Quebec..all you need to know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4FhDNQvrU

#47 Einzatgruppen kanada on 09.02.12 at 9:03 pm

Decades off, a World away:

Separation for Quebec is removal of the crown which would have to get simultaneous approval from all legislatures – the 10 provinces, 2 territories (I’m out of date) and Ottawa. That would be something. Do they ever agree on anything?

#48 jess on 09.02.12 at 9:03 pm

…i think most people would like to vote none of the above.

#49 Randy on 09.02.12 at 9:06 pm

Tomorrow is Union Day….Happy Union Day !!!! Labour Day was a lie and it’s now passe…. hahaha

#50 mid-Ontario on 09.02.12 at 9:07 pm

It is obvious that Harper wants Marois to win.
This way, there is less attention paid to Mr. Garth and his preachy sermons on melting RE.

Canada needs a crisis to keep up with the rest of the world. Man, every country out there has a crisis and we just sit back and cruise along.

Time we did something; it starts tomorrow in Quebec. Then it will simmer for months until the Spring referendum with just enough of a co-ordinated push for separation from the rest of Canada to make a real crisis.

No Boomer rally in Montreal this time to save Canada – go for it kids. It’s time you learned to fly! We all collectively will be better off, Quebec in particular!

Meanwhile RE signs continue to spring up everywhere in this City. Let’s get talking about something else before people notice what is really going on.

#51 truth hammer on 09.02.12 at 9:08 pm

BTW…G…..to argue against the idea that there is inflation in the system is cute but…..facts speak for themselves…..cue the facts

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/h6.htm

15.7% more money supplied means that each and every dollar in the system loses 15.7% in value….that’s real inflation……and you wonder why gold and oil have gone up? It’s loyal of you to support the status quo…that’s admirable…after all we don’t want to scare the straights…..but….just so you know…you can’t fool all the people all the time.

CPI…2.6% is a measure of industrial paint supply FOB and cotton bulk futures………what people really care about is what’s on the table……The Canadian population have had to substitute burgers for KD…..and now they have to choose which days to eat on….because Canadians know that inflation is 15%++ and dealers markups for increased cost of business including the ever escalating property taxes and utilities are going up 20% every year.

Increasing the money supply does not equate inflation. — Garth

#52 Devore on 09.02.12 at 9:14 pm

There might be a lesson in there. Stand up for principle.

Psssshh… everyone knows you can’t get ahead like this.

#53 West on 09.02.12 at 9:15 pm

The only Province that should separate is Alberta.

#54 EIT on 09.02.12 at 9:16 pm

Hey Garth, ever hear of Gerald Celente?

US comedian, right? — Garth

#55 mel in victoria on 09.02.12 at 9:20 pm

Quebec won’t separate but QE3 is almost a certainty.

Bernanke believes QE1 and 2 worked, many disagree, even some Dems… The US remains in the Post Op recovery room and at any time could still fall off the table and croak….the US economy is tenuous at best…

Recently, Romney announced he’d like to pink slip Bernake if he won the election even though some of his advisors suggest Mitt keep the ol’ fart on… So, obviously job security for Bernanke is at best shaky should the Bible Belt erupt ecstatically late in the evening on November 6th….Of course one way to help secure his job is for the Dems to win.

US unemployment remains a major issue …officially 8-9 % ..those are the gov’t numbers, the official ones… but the real ones are more like 12-14% .. Unemployment is a huge headache for the Fed….and Obama.

Personally, after watching the GOP Convention last week, here’s my preference in terms of who should be running for Pres of the USA given what we’ve seen paraded on TV the last while…in descending order; Romney’s wife,then Ryan, next Clint and finally the Mutt!!

Man those bible thumpers have a rough road to hoe, they know it and Obama knows it but they (the Dems) can’t take any chances…

Even though the odds presently are a bit in favor of Barack, anything can happen the next few weeks to scuttle the Dem’s ship; a black swan (whatever the hell that is) ,Israel nuking Iran with oil shooting to $250.00 barrel (that would cook the Dem’s goose so now I know where the expression black swan came from….over-cooked goose) ..earnings unexpectedly start to go south, more serious issues develope with the PIIGS , and on and on…

Bernanke wants to keep his job as much as Obama loves his so until the election on November 6th, the US economy HAS TO LOOK GOOD for that to happen…..gonna be a lot of surprises and opportunities the next while… are you ready to take advantage of them?? We saw some of them get a little perky last week.

The last 2 QE’s gave a temporary boost to the markets and in my opinion there’s no doubt there’ll be another one announced this month (Sept)…. Which investments would benefit? ……..likely many of the ones which did from the previous…but in all likelihood any stimulus program will have less impact this time and be less enduring than the 2 previous unless QE 3 is mindboggling in magnitude……then we’re in real trouble…. but, in the meantime, it should allow Obama another 4 years of racking up frequent flyer miles on Air Force One and Bernanke won’t have to go back to teaching, for a while anyhow…That’s the way I see it.

#56 Not 1st on 09.02.12 at 9:21 pm

Gta girl you obviously haven’t seen real mountains before.

#57 OlderbutWiser on 09.02.12 at 9:22 pm

Hoof-Hearted, a subject close to my heart. I happen to own racehorses and I have invested mega bucks into the sport. If racing is “downsized” then I will be firing 2 full time employees directly and 2 full time employees indirectly. The impact on employment in Ontario will be significant. You are also correct that many horses will be disposed of and many, many more foals that are due to be born next year will, shall we say, not be able to stand and nurse.

A very unfortunate situation all round.

#58 Hugh Jasz on 09.02.12 at 9:25 pm

#45 Hoof – Hearted on 09.02.12 at 8:57 pm
………
Quite sad..but a sign of the times and the demographics..how many young people go to the racetrack ?

I used to love going to the track. Free parking right next to the door, free admission, ~$3.50 for a program, cheap BEvERages, and gambling that is way more interesting than one-armed bandits and as cheap or expensive as you wanted to make it. Used to go once a week with the boys, have a couple of cold pops, smoke a cigar or two and place a couple modest bets per race.

Cheap entertainment until the sun went down and it became time to go to the clubs to hunt female companionship.

Then, they added mind-addling slot machines and were overrun by drooling septagenarians. Most of them seem to barely even bother with races anymore……

#59 DonDWest on 09.02.12 at 9:29 pm

Can we vote Alberta out of the nation instead? Just a suggestion. . .

#60 Poniz on 09.02.12 at 9:32 pm

Best. Article. Ever.

#61 Old Man on 09.02.12 at 9:33 pm

The best thing about Quebec is the babes, as they know how to dress in fashion; they know how to charm a man with discussion; they will often demand to pay half a date bill; now if you get lucky will cook you a dinner with candles; no matter what you say will give you a sexy smile to melt you down, as they control all, and if they like you when all is said and done you cowboys must saddle up for a good ride.

#62 OlderbutWiser on 09.02.12 at 9:34 pm

Hugh Jasz – have you walked through the Woodbine casino and watched the people playing the slots? It is scary how they all act like puppets perpetually feeding the machines. I can understand why citizens did not want slot parlors in their backyards. That was the reason for the government partnering with the racetracks to hold the slot machines. Turned out it was way too profitable and so the government has reneged on its agreement.

In some respects I think that voluntary taxation (via gambling) is a great way to raise revenues for the province but then again, one look into the eyes of these gamblers will tell you that they have a serious problem. No one is having fun, no one is smiling, no one is laughing. The addiction is apparently serious business – and that is sad.

#63 Devore on 09.02.12 at 9:41 pm

#26 GTA Girl

Dude got a happy ending at a massage parlour. It either wasn’t a big deal, and had no effect on the election, or it was a big deal and it did. Pick one and stick to it, you can’t have it both ways.

#64 45north on 09.02.12 at 9:45 pm

I typed up the results and made 308 copies, then had the House of Commons pages put one on every MP’s desk that night before the vote. I sat and watched as it was delivered to Harper, opposite me. He looked at it, looked at me, and threw it on the floor.

funny that Harper treated you so unkind

you know I’m amazed at les jeunes de Montréal. I arrived at the bus station to be confronted with young people who were protesting police brutality. The police seemed pretty well behaved.

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday nobody knows which way the vote will go. Whatever, there will be a revolution. The biggest revolution will be a Liberal majority.

#65 Herb on 09.02.12 at 9:45 pm

#39 Truth Hamerer,

you Sir, are an ass.

#66 IM in C on 09.02.12 at 9:49 pm

The probelm with Quebec separation is: they won’t leave cleanly. They take as much stuff of ours as they possibly can. They will sincerely believe that the day after separation, 80 Quebec MP’s will take their seats in the House of Commons! They sincerely believe that there is no transfer payment system , and that the rest of Canada is not propping them up.
They think that we will have to show our passport to go into Quebec, but they will be able to travel, work and live freely in the rest of Canada.

#67 Jody on 09.02.12 at 9:49 pm

And do the nitwits in Quebec think if they leave (good friggan riddance), they will be allowed to work in Canada, travel here without a very expensive VISA, live here, buy property here? I bet the millions of French speaking people outside of Quebec would beg to differ. It’s a small vocal group of sepratist wankers in Quebec who always bring this crap up, take them, dump them on an island in the arctic and let them live out their independent francophone nation fantasies far from those of us who don’t have our brains residing up our arses.

#68 EIT on 09.02.12 at 9:58 pm

Hey Garth, ever hear of Gerald Celente?

US comedian, right? — Garth

Alright that was a long shot, but have you heard of Jim Puplava from financialsense.com . I would love for you to be a guest on his newshour broadcast. I think that he’s a pretty good host and it would be a good show. Trust me nothing like Gerald.

#69 Westernman on 09.02.12 at 10:02 pm

The relationship between English Canada and Quebec is like a completely incompatable couple in a failed marriage…
The best thing to do is get a divorce with all possible dispatch…

#70 Hoof-Hearted on 09.02.12 at 10:04 pm

Re Horse racing.

Here in BC, it used to be the only legal form of gambling. In Greater Vancouver…only (2) tracks that I am aware of. However,horse racing does employ a lot of people.

They expanded gambling at the tracks ie added casinos.

In Richmond RiverRock casino…they have expanded the betting room ,satellite feeds from all over… but again mostly older types bet,…. and 100% males.

Maybe Ontario was oversaturated…plus tracks use up a lot of real estate….who knows…

I don’t have pets, but do love animals. Real Shame

#71 MC on 09.02.12 at 10:06 pm

Is Harper paving the way for Alberta to seperate too???What a knob..

#72 Grim Reaper/Crypt Speculator on 09.02.12 at 10:07 pm

#61 Old Man on 09.02.12 at 9:33 pm

The best thing about Quebec is the babes, as they know how to dress in fashion; they know how to charm a man with discussion; they will often demand to pay half a date bill; now if you get lucky will cook you a dinner with candles; no matter what you say will give you a sexy smile to melt you down, as they control all, and if they like you when all is said and done you cowboys must saddle up for a good ride.

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Dear Smoking Man…..you read that in Penthouse Letters …Oui ?

#73 mikef on 09.02.12 at 10:10 pm

First of all there is no certainty that Madame Marois
will get a majority.

Living here in Quebec, the one thing that is obvious
is the total lack of cohesiveness, coherence and clarity
among our leaders and the population as a whole.

Fringe parties are getting sizable amount of votes
to the point that even if Madame Marois wins,it will be
below the historical support of the Parti Quebecois.
Gone are the days of two main parties starting at say 43% and battling it out for the center.
Now we have a desperate Marois playing base politics
hoping to latch on to 35% of the vote

The issues of a petition and French tests for candidates
even Marois has backtracked from it because poll after poll has shown support for separation below 40%.
One poll I’ve seen has it at 26%.
One thing the independantistes are not is unified right now

People forget that at the beginning of the 1995 referendum support for separation was at 38%,what made it so close was a seemingly larger than life Lucien Bouchard arriving on the scene promising not separation, but “renegotiation”
of Confederation.
I dont think there is anybody on the political scene right that has the kind of charisma to sway voters.

As for the Bill 101 tightening I’m sure Marois lawyers will tell her that along will banning headscarves and religious gear it will be tough sledding in the courts
and the whole house of cards will topple.

Since 1981 no party or referendum has gotten more
than 50% in any election in Quebec.

Rene Levesque did it in 1981 by promising not to hold a referendum.

The demographics have changed in Quebec, lots more older people lots more immigrants,if 1000 people in Canada turn 65 every day then about 320 people turn 65 in Quebec.
By 2013 there will be more people over 65 than under 16 in Quebec.
I say by 2040 French Quebecers will be a pretty much a minority
in the province

Oh yeah Real Estate permits,construction has tapered off the past year,condo construction is still going great guns,but sooner or later that will subside.

#74 Chris Scott on 09.02.12 at 10:12 pm

@sebee my babies will be bilingual Canadians attending French school.

#75 Chris Scott on 09.02.12 at 10:16 pm

@tim “If there was ever a time to score nice digs in Westmount or Outremont, we may just get our opportunity.”

Bonnie chance on that and stand in line :). I’m renting an amazing place at $1645/monthe now in the heart of Outremont and this hood is just fabulous. I’d love to buy here in 3-5 years but I doubt prices here will crash.

#76 Poniz on 09.02.12 at 10:21 pm

The men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To bold a new reality;
http://tinyurl.com/cx4o73

#77 45north on 09.02.12 at 10:25 pm

hoof – hearted: from your link: Things first got ugly for horse folk when the province announced in March it was terminating a lucrative slots revenue sharing program with racetracks.

so the province terminates the revenue sharing with the race tracks, in Ottawa “the province” plans to shut down the slots at Rideau Carleton and build a casino in downtown Ottawa. To compete with the existing casino in Hull!

Why couldn’t the Liberals have simply left everything alone?

#78 Walter Safety on 09.02.12 at 10:26 pm

Just spent 6 of the last 20 days in PQ . I appreciate the people of Quebec even after learning of the transfer payment percentages.Still I have little resentment.
I think most people of Quebec appreciate other Canadians and what Canada is even though they have reasons to hold a little resentment.
But then most of the people I talk to are working trying to have better lives for themselves and contribute to their society.
In 30 years of travel to Quebec I have only met one self employed separatist and no immigrant separatists.
So if Quebec separates it will be for the usual political factors, that is a deception and manipulation by the rulers for their own reasons as Mr.Turner has pointed out with his recollection of Nov 28,2006.

#79 Poniz on 09.02.12 at 10:28 pm

….meanwhile, i have a First World Problem
http://tinyurl.com/6rfj3q

any suggestions?

#80 soho ne on 09.02.12 at 10:39 pm

i was right ,you are splitting water with your buddy spilt.i didn’t even read todays blog yet.picture only!

#81 earlymidlifecrisis on 09.02.12 at 10:39 pm

I would consider being fired by the likes of a ‘man’ as evil and corrupt as steven harper a badge of honor. I would wear a ‘steven harper fired me’ shirt that had a big happy face on it. He will hopefully go down in history as the pig who tried to ruin canada.

#82 Yuus bin Haad on 09.02.12 at 10:43 pm

Oh, and we other Canadians don’t have the nerve to call their bluff.

#83 GTA Girl on 09.02.12 at 10:45 pm

Devore; I never claimed that the massage info had any effect. That was someone else’s post.

Maybe you should call the Minister of Vaughan and ask him which of his former officers conveniently brought forward his old police notebook.

If a backstreet massage were to have an effect on an election, then I’d imagine most of caucus would be in big trouble.

And ‘Not 1st’? Obviously your handle belies your bitterness. Cheer up and try to live life.

#84 Steven Rowlandson on 09.02.12 at 10:48 pm

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#85 soho ne on 09.02.12 at 10:51 pm

getting more serious. is it safe to keep more than 100k garths in 1 bank.oh sorry about the comments on buddy.

Keep as much as you want. No bank will fail. But you are far wiser to invest it. — Garth

#86 TakingResponsibility on 09.02.12 at 10:54 pm

Whoa, lots of emotion going on here…..

I wonder why?

What is it (economically) behind all the emotion or why do we care?

Help me out??

#87 Old Man on 09.02.12 at 10:58 pm

I have no idea what will happen in Quebec, but say this two solitudes stuff might be an illusion, as suspect the big money works together in Upper and Lower Canada. Now lived in Montreal many years ago, and when I was a senior this gal whose dad was a senior banker asked me to attend her Family Estate for a Labour Day party at a very exclusive club; was just in Highschool.

I said ok, as she was setting up dates, and my date was a daughter whose daddy sat upon the Supreme Court – big deal, but she was a knockout; hey give me break as it was just a date, and had a blast during this weekend. Now what did I see? I saw all family names there not just from Quebec, but from Ontario with big money, so perhaps it is all about making money that really matters, and politics is a joke.

#88 soho ne on 09.02.12 at 11:15 pm

bongo,clean up the h2o and sign up on plenty of fish.com..

#89 Hoof - Hearted on 09.02.12 at 11:32 pm

#77 45north on 09.02.12 at 10:25 pm

hoof – hearted: from your link: Things first got ugly for horse folk when the province announced in March it was terminating a lucrative slots revenue sharing program with racetracks.

so the province terminates the revenue sharing with the race tracks, in Ottawa “the province” plans to shut down the slots at Rideau Carleton and build a casino in downtown Ottawa. To compete with the existing casino in Hull!

Why couldn’t the Liberals have simply left everything alone?

=================================

I am quite sure Garth will disagree strongly….. but IMHO Gov’ts are whores ….repeat W-H-O-R-E-$.

Not an expert, more a “cynical extrapolator” .

My guess is Govt’s realize casinos bring in more revenue “per square foot”…and would rather “encourage” a new generation of gamblers to go there.

I have to admit…racing was not very well marketed…it seemed to rely on “old school” types .

In addition..my added guess is developers have eyes on racetrack land ….which they can buy “cheap” once they wind down.

Same old Shite

#90 neo on 09.02.12 at 11:36 pm

Good evening Garth,

Here is a great article about the follies of Central Planning and Central Bank “stimulus”. I know from a post many moons ago you assured us about how smart Chinese leaders are and they will turn things around the second half of the year. Sorry, isn’t going to happen. Anyway, maybe that 6 handle on GDP will be this quarter as opposed to last quarter as I thought. Things aren’t under control Garth. Exports and new orders are weakening, domestic consumption is weakening, foreign investment is weakening and surprisingly this is all happening with the real estate market relatively holding together. Well, what happens when that goes south?

Will there be an economic crash soon in China? Probably not, but there doesn’t need to be one to cause social unrest and you know that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/02/us-china-banks-steel-idUSBRE8810AM20120902

#91 renters rule on 09.02.12 at 11:39 pm

Canada is not Canada without Quebec. Sorry for all you haters out there, but the nation was built on the precarious balance of the two “peoples” and their two languages. For those who have never been there… go to la belle province…. and see what you lack in your own province… @24 GTA Girl, I lived in Montreal for a few years, and saw the same at a softball game when it was one of the girl’s birthdays, the rest of the quebecoise girls broke out into traditional quebec anniversaire songs…. amazing!

I personally do not think Quebec ever separates, but if it did happen…. well, that would be the end of the rest of us… and some various if not all pieces would end up amalgamated with the US, which would truly be tragic…

#92 RE-R.I.P. on 09.02.12 at 11:43 pm

PM Harper speech after PQ victory,

“My fellow Canadians ask not if Quebec should leave Canada but whether Canada should finally leave the burden of Quebec”. These words will make Harper the greatest PM Canada ever had.

#93 Nostradamus Le Mad Vlad on 09.02.12 at 11:55 pm


Food Prices Better description; Sexonomics Thhis might keep the Japanese economy afloat when the country tanks! China Factories not so good; Gold Speculating that prices will rise; Spain Catalonia junked, deficit grows; ObombaCare is a job killer; Jackson Hole and a weird chart; TFSAs Not for GICs; China – Germany trading more in Yuan; Harrisburg, like Japan runs outta money in Oct.; Spain Beyond overblown; Italian Govt. Debt may bankrupt the world’s oldest bank; Romney and Ryan’s new VAT.
*
Election Your choice — choose wisely; Climbing Trees There wasn’t safety equipment, helmets or any of that junk when we were young; Short clip Powerboat in full flight is knocked about by the wake of another powerboat; A Crushing Moment between boy and snake; NAM leaders support Iran; 55 million years of the carbon cycle and climate history. A lot more accurate than the GW / GC BS.

#94 wwwStratege on 09.03.12 at 12:03 am

I am sad tonight. I thought you wouldn’t go that low. In fact this article express greatly how much the ROC does not really understand what happens in Quebec. If the PQ wins it will not be because of a desire of sovereignty but because we are deeply tired of M. Charest and all theses stories about corruption. Make no mistake, people in Quebec are not stupid, they do not agree on every promise made by Mrs Marois. But as of today it is the best alternative to the Liberals of Jean Charest. In fact it is the only viable solution. And the PQ is surely not the reason why real estate may collapse! If it does it will be caused by the stratospheric prices and the inevitable correction that has yet to happen.

#95 John in Mtl on 09.03.12 at 12:07 am

“That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada.”
.
What the hell is wrong with that? We acknowledge the existence of the aboriginal people of Canada (the
“Indians”) as being a nation, and we extend many “priviledges” and “exceptions” to them even tho they were “conquered”.
.
And what is wrong “in standing and asking for more powers, more autonomy, more control of their own destiny.”
.
.
Really, Mr Turner, sometimes you deeply dissappoint. Not that you care! And no, I am not a Maudit Separatisse and I shall not vote for that party; I don’t agree to many projects in their program as they will hurt us more than do good in the long run.
.
“For a political goal in uncertain winds; for the survival of a government losing altitude; for the vanity of a prime minister testing his wings, we may just have cashed in the country.”
.
He’s doing a pretty good job of that already, without Quebec leaving Canada!
.
“He’d hoped giving in to the separatists would win him more support in a province which turned and voted en masse for Jack Layton.”

That is NOT the reason Quebeckers did not vote for Harper. Harper is a short-sighted and destructive man, a puppet to lobbyists and the Empire next door. And he’s a conservative. But he sure isn’t acting to conserve much of this country or this province.

On the subject of separatism, Quebec is not the only province that often contemplated leaving the federation…

John

#96 dosouth on 09.03.12 at 12:18 am

Garth I have to say that I am impressed with all the support you receive on this topic.

I must also say however that I would guess the majority if put in the same position as you, – have or would have, – retreated under the peer pressure.

Lot’s of talk but as to date little action by the people with the power. I have experienced several times in my career standing up for beliefs only to be given the Stephen Harper glare or the door or demotion….but here we are, still hoping someone does the right thing if only for their individual future(s)…..

#97 dosouth on 09.03.12 at 12:20 am

P.S. – How do you get 20 Canadians out of a hot tub??

Just ask them to get out….

#98 Jon B on 09.03.12 at 12:22 am

The sooner Quebec separates, the better.

#99 Click Here, its different on 09.03.12 at 12:32 am

I dont think you guys should be affraid of the PQ and a referendum. PQ is winning only because Liberals been there for 10 years and theres a good chance PQ wont even get the majority.

And the economic context is very bad actually. No referendum could be seriously proposed. The boomers, the key to any winning election or referendum, are 60 years old now. They wont take any risk. It will never happen again.

Should the CAQ leader be just a little more charismatic, the PQ would be far behind for a long time now.

#100 Hoof - Hearted on 09.03.12 at 12:40 am

#91 renters rule on 09.02.12 at 11:39 pm

Canada is not Canada without Quebec.

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Yes..but….

If one reviews the history of the U.S. the reason itwas called the United States of America was that the original intent was that each of the lower 48 states be literal separate autonomous countries…simply like a quasi-strata ….with the umbrella of a military force should any/all of them have their sovereignty attacked.

If one views a map/globe….the majority of Canadian Provinces are larger than the largest U.S.state.

Ergo….Each Canadian Province could separate and become a “sovereign country” if the citizens so choose….. Nothing entrenched or unassailable that this could not occur.

Flag waiving and other crap are opiates of the masses…history has shown no borders are set in stone.

#101 gokou3 on 09.03.12 at 1:21 am

I in BC want to vote Quebec out.

#102 Mntrlr here on 09.03.12 at 1:49 am

We get aprox. 7.4 BILLION a year extra in trans. payments from the Federal Governemnt here in Quebec so we would be carzy to seperate for that reason alone.

If we had a referendum today I think it would be a complete flop. But as we saw with the strategies in the past with the Parti Quebecois, they put new laws in and increase taxes and everyone leaves.

Over 100,000 rich English speaking people left Quebec in the mid-90s BEFORE the referendum. They put in these laws that if you are a new immigrant or went to a frech school you CANNOT have a choice your CHildren CANNOT attend a English school… it gets ridiculous.

The thing that worries me the most is what this blog is about. The realestate market will melt dwon here, it’s really been a huge employer of 100,000s of men and women here in QUebec and lots of families have purchased at these higher prices, they’ll be wipped out and upside with the mortgage!

#103 Buy? Curious? on 09.03.12 at 2:03 am

No one cares about Quebec and Canada has about as much international presence as a fat girl at her high school dance.

How Canadians have managed to be blackmailed by Quebec for so long is utterly amazing. It is the most corrupt province, from top to bottom in Canada (followed of course by BC). I hope they do leave, their economy shrinks to the point that the Chinese end up buying all their resources and that it takes down the rest of Canada. Heck, I want to see Don Cherry’s Coach’s Corner dubbed in Cantonese and Ron Maclean wearing one of Bruce Lee’s outfits from Enter The Dragon.

This is what happens when barely 40% of the population votes. Canada, you get the leadership you deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-XbZL7Lns

#104 markc on 09.03.12 at 2:05 am

Heh……… you have the Quebecois, in the UK we have the Scots.

#105 Buy? Curious? on 09.03.12 at 2:08 am

Oh, one morning, Blackberry was DEFINITELY so 2006. Do you see anyone with one now? Like small, er, um, well, you know what I’m talking about, they’re embarrassed to pull them out in public.

#106 Golum on 09.03.12 at 2:14 am

Hahaha. Great photo. Garth lets his hair down, hear him roar!

#107 a prairie dawg on 09.03.12 at 2:33 am

“I used my blog to ask Canadians for their vote on making the Quebecois a “nation”. Tens of thousands responded, making the online poll the largest sampling of public opinion on the issue. I typed up the results and made 308 copies, then had the House of Commons pages put one on every MP’s desk that night before the vote.”

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Good for you Garth. ☼

Keep sticking it to them. These people have no clue what they’re doing to this country. Or maybe it’s just that they don’t care, as long as their own agenda gets completed. (much more likely)

Decades ago, Federal politics used to have some class. Now, Parliament is just a freak show. It’s worthy of a Jersey Shore* spinoff. They could call it Rideau Shore…

*I’ve never actually watched an episode. I already loath it, just from the advertisements. lol

#108 JustTryingToProtectEquity on 09.03.12 at 2:54 am

I grew up in Montreal. It is, without question, the most xenophobic city in North America. It’s unfathomable Bill 101 … and its ridiculous sign laws… Make it the laughing stock of our nation.

At a time when our country is being commended, the world over, for it’s financial stewardship, its ability to weather the worst of all possible financial storms… Here we are having to explain these needy, selfish sovereigntists to the rest of the civilized world. Like so SO many Canadians, I ask that we finally let them go. They bring so very VERY little to the table. TO HELL WITH THEM!

#109 Nick on 09.03.12 at 3:07 am

I love this blog but I don’t recognize it tonight.

I’m a Québécois living and working in the States. I’m not a fan of Pauline Marois, but please Garth, tell your readers the whole story. Charest has been there for almost 10 years and his government is bursting a the seams with corruption scandals.
Québécois wont be voting for separation anytime soon and Marois knows it.
And, last time I checked, the PQ balanced the budget in the late 90’s under Lucien Bouchard. But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative, so let’s not waste time on this.

#110 HD on 09.03.12 at 3:24 am

#25QuebecGirlInVancouver on 09.02.12 at 7:45 pm

As a “Québec francophone” living in Vancouver, I second your post.

Best,

HD

#111 Jay Currie on 09.03.12 at 3:48 am

I suspect Pauline’s victory – if it is that – will be the beginning of yet another episode of “The Long Goodbye”. The conditions for a referendum are pretty bleak; but a bit of smash and grab in Ottawa is always fun.

Harper will have to play this one carefully: a lot of Canadians who support him were unimpressed with the lowest tuition kids in North America having kittens over a buck a day. Nor are they terrifically pleased to be subsidizing Quebec’s remarkably cheap day care system.

Would Canada still be Canada without Quebec? I suspect so but we’re never going to find out because Quebeckers are far too shrewd to kill the golden Canadian goose. Pluck a few more feathers…sure. But to keep dairy protection and transfer payments you have to actually stay in the country.

But, hey, the bonus for staying in Canada is you can elect annoying NDP members to Parliament.

#112 VancouverJoe on 09.03.12 at 4:13 am

Never thought that a nation needs to be approved by another one, it’s never happens. (would Palestine approve Israel? or via versa?)

Self declaration of a nation is an integral right of any group of people, it does not need external approvers.

If they so bad, why bother? I think, just opposite, they would live better independently.
At least they build their buildings from real stuff, not from pressed cornflakes.

Big countries are good for only one reason – be military competitive. Is Canada going to conquer its neighbors? :-)

Small, calturally holistic country is more manageable, like Finland and Sweden are well better economically than Canada, despite smaller.

#113 Johnny D on 09.03.12 at 5:07 am

NEGATIVE INTEREST RATES!?!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-08-30/the-upside-down-world-of-negative-interest-rates

Could this actually happen in the US and eventually Canada?

What a hard kick in the testes that would be for people who save their monies.

#114 John on 09.03.12 at 6:24 am

“Quebec will never be an “independent” country.

They have one of two choices:

(1) Stay within Canada, or,

(2) Become a puppet of the United States.”
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The real estate bubble proves beyond a doubt that Cabada was taken over by banking interests from outside it’s borders. This is what “globalization” actually meant. That “argument” used to be “weird”. Now it’s a smackdown. A fact.

Why the talk of “regional dynamics”, including Quebec. This blog pays far more attention to trying to manage the “money” the global scheme produced…now supposedly “still within reach” of citizens.

That’s the focus. There are no other considerations. If the ideological basis for the community being formed here is about pretending what’s happening..isn’t happening….then breaking into drama about “Quebec” and “Canada” is absurd.

Once again. You’d care about “Quebec” and “Canada”, but not one word about the next generation. Not a word. They have nowhere to work and live in your world of personal irresponsibility…sold as something else.

In a system where you get to keep the ponzi scam “money”, the rest of Canadians get screwed ( the up and comers).

You’re talking a system where you invest in a wholly global cartel to “build wealth”, without regard for your community, calling citizens “bait and switch” debts “personal obligations” ? Playing hardball in a scam? Using banking language?

Now you’re waxing philosophical about Quebec? Do you think informed people could take your analysis seriously in the context of the above?

You’ve got the choir ( and they’re all singing praise), but the church is empty.

#115 House on 09.03.12 at 7:25 am

We know in 2004 the Alberta and Quebec separatists signed an agreement to share power. This is old news!

#116 yorel on 09.03.12 at 7:48 am

#41
Thank you for remembering what that jerk Trudeau did.
The lefties have short memories.

#117 Chris Scott on 09.03.12 at 8:16 am

Dear Quebec haters

Does your city do this?
https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/cfs-ak-snc6/v/232184/799/10152084673115402_41556.mp4?oh=9bad2320cc0e40cf3a63ffb6746da63c&oe=5044BC16&__gda__=1346681325_6116b1ea27f34fcc812860b55f569141

#118 Mark on 09.03.12 at 8:28 am

Increasing the money supply does not equate inflation. — Garth

Yes it does. Inflation doesn’t mean rising prices, it means more money. It’s just that eventually those prices will rise. Maybe not in every item at the same time, maybe not even in the same country as the money printing is taking place, but surely inflation means more money.

Much of the inflation the US creates ends up in the productive countries of Asia, where all of the money goes to buy up plastic salad shooters. But at some point those dollars are going to come flooding back into the US, driving prices there up.

You are wrong. Not that you care. — Garth

#119 Stickler on 09.03.12 at 8:51 am

Quebec is 19% of Canada’s GDP. What would happen if Quebec separated?

#120 Joe The Plumber on 09.03.12 at 8:51 am

Garth your are following the media bandwagon on this one.

Everyone living in the province know that there will be no referendum. Marois is appeasing the “extremist” wing of the party by advertising one. She wants to avoid defections to other sovereignist parties and hold the party together.

The vote for the PQ is strategic and to get Charest out. Also to avoid the right wingers CAQ to take power and sell what is left of social democracy.

If there would be an orange provincial party today to vote for, both liberals and PQ would be dead in the water.

For those advertising hate, that’s long time gone and a thing of the past. It’s for opportunist media cheerleaders.

#121 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 9:18 am

The tyrant hates Canada, Canadians. It’s about Power. and he has it. Our own Vald Putin.
I sincerely hope the rednecks who voted for him suffer the most under his rein. We’re all going to suffer, but how much.

“Tens of thousands responded, making the online poll the largest sampling of public opinion on the issue. I typed up the results and made 308 copies, then had the House of Commons pages put one on every MP’s desk that night before the vote. I sat and watched as it was delivered to Harper, opposite me. He looked at it, looked at me, and threw it on the floor.”

#122 Dr. WAYNE on 09.03.12 at 9:21 am

I for one hope that the separatist win, have a referendum, and leave Canada. Sure there will be some upheaval, but over the long term the billions and billions that Canada would save from not appeasing these whiners would be worth the turmoil.

#123 down and out on 09.03.12 at 9:24 am

I for one am not willing to give up Quebec ,no one is considering that the rest of Canada has a claim to the majestic rivers and lands .Why Why would average Quebecker throw away his right to live and prosper in this great country ,the west and east coasts are their heritage also visit your wealth. Think before allowing a fringe group who could be in power and limit your future by taking away your rights to be part of a great country.Yes you have corruption and self severing government officials . Go after them not toss them out Scott free for something that hurts you and separates you from your great past. Remember the first nations and their treatment which the first settlers of this land duped .You too will end up on the reservation known has Quebec ,Shame.

#124 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 9:36 am

Where’s Justin Trudeau in all of this? Does he have what it takes to become a statesman like his dad (love him or hate him)? Or is he stuck as a potty mouth in question period.

#125 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 9:46 am

Wikipedia: “Approximly 88% of Canadian said all provinces should be treated equally, even if this may offend the province of Quebec and cause a risk of separation.

Only 12% of people would agreed to do everything in its power to keep Quebec within Canada, even if this requires a special status…”

So, once again and as usual, Harper did it his way irregardless of what Canadians want.

#126 Click Here, its different on 09.03.12 at 9:48 am

#108 JustTryingToProtectEquity

“I grew up in Montreal. It is, without question, the most xenophobic city in North America.”

Wo … Ugly. Very ugly.

Bad subject Garth. You gave a mic to the douchebags.

In my different workplaces, you will see people from south america, africa, europe, asia, east-europe, all working together in french, english and/or spanish.

All my friends in QC speaks at least french/english plus often 1 or 2 other depending of their origin (spanish, polish, portugese, italian, …).

Xenophobic ?

I seriously hope you are trolling.

#127 CrowdedElevatorfartz on 09.03.12 at 9:51 am

Garth I love the photo of the Cowardly Lion as a representation of Harper.
Classic !

#128 live within your means on 09.03.12 at 9:52 am

#95 John

That is NOT the reason Quebeckers did not vote for Harper. Harper is a short-sighted and destructive man, a puppet to lobbyists and the Empire next door. And he’s a conservative. But he sure isn’t acting to conserve much of this country or this province.

On the subject of separatism, Quebec is not the only province that often contemplated leaving the federation…

John
…………………….

I know the following quote dates back to 1994, but if it he hadn’t attained power, I believe he’d feel the same way.

“Whether Canada ends up as one national government, or two national governments, or several national governments or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion.”

Speech made when he was a Reform Party MP, 1994

#129 Victor on 09.03.12 at 9:54 am

Economy’s foggy future poses challenge for Carney

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/interest-rates/economys-foggy-future-poses-challenge-for-carney/article4515414/

William White, the Canadian economist who correctly said former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan’s low-interest-rate policy fuelled a housing bubble, said in a research paper last week that the time has come for central banks to reverse ultra-low borrowing costs or risk a new financial crisis.

“The [Bank of Canada] has been too timid moving rates up when it could have done so easily in the first half of 2011,” when the economy was stronger, said Thorsten Koeppl, an associate professor of economics at Queen’s University and the C.D. Howe committee member who thinks the benchmark rate should be 2.25 per cent a year from now.

Prof. Koeppl is sympathetic to Mr. White’s thesis that monetary policy has pretty much run its course. In an e-mail from Switzerland, he noted that a benchmark rate above 2 per cent still would be low by historical standards. He added that he is worried summer droughts and the recent surge in oil prices will put upward pressure on inflation.

If that is the case, the Bank of Canada will have to lift the benchmark rate sooner rather than later to keep price increases at its 2 per cent target. Prof. Koeppl would leave the benchmark unchanged this week and again in October, but push the rate to 1.5 per cent by March.

#130 condopoor on 09.03.12 at 9:57 am

I find it amazing how fast people are to say “get lost” to part of our country. It’s so much more complicated than that. Shame on you for your lack of patriotism.

#131 syfon on 09.03.12 at 10:12 am

Hi Garth
Where can I find luxury condo 2000 sq feet for 189,000.00 in Mont Tremblant?
Prices came down after Americans and Brits stop buying but certain thinks in live are called luxury and precious for a reason.
Show us that condo
Still feeling for that sucker who bought that silver for 43$ down 11 $ now.
will continue

#132 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 10:13 am

#1Brian – “Can we just kick the province out this time instead? I’m so sick of the whiny teenagers (Quebec) screaming for more pie. Throw em out on their asses and they’ll be crying to get back in within months.”

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I agree. I’m sick and tired of them, as well. The separation would be 100% — no relying on Canadians. They’ll fend for themselves.

#133 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 10:19 am

#11 SRV: “Still find it hard to believe there were enough brain-dead Canadians to vote Harper back in last time…”

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It was a lukewarm win — 38% is pathetic. What alternative did we have? Politics is a hateful business….

#134 Nemesis on 09.03.12 at 10:30 am

“It was done for politics. And political power.” – Hon. GT

Correct.

http://youtu.be/NLkJbcW33rE

#135 eaglebay - Parksville on 09.03.12 at 10:39 am

#32 The American on 09.02.12 at 8:06 pm

Wow, sounds like socialism to me.
Mohamed Obama will make everything OK.
Your political choices aren’t better than ours.
What’s the world coming to.

#136 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 10:42 am

What became of the FLQ domestic terrorists from the 1970s? Those who kidnapped and killed Minister Peirre Laport? Are they or their breathen still active in today’s politics? Has Harper handed them a white flag with his ruling?

He well knows the playbook. People need a strong omnipresent internal or external enemy to rail against.
H loves Israel; is he making us our own Gaza?

When is his Night of Broken Glass coming? Some things never change.
You must realize, every speech, every sound byte is carefully crafted for its intended reaction by brilliant social strategists and marketers.

To those bashing the QC students, you’d better pony up 50-60k for your own kids’ piece of paper. Or have them becoming debt slaves.

Here’s proof how even the local level are we despied, manipulated by the corporatists. We are the enemy:

Toronto’s CON Mayor Ford’s (aka Boss Hog) henchman’s words:

-A lot of people have the impression you ran a dirty campaign. What’s your reaction to that?
” The fact of the matter is, all your downtown champagne-sipping socialists can’t understand how some kid from Windsor came in and kicked the shit out of them. It happened. They should get over it.”

http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/from-print-edition-informer/2011/11/16/the-qa-nick-kouvalis/

#137 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 10:47 am

#67 Jody: “It’s a small vocal group of sepratist wankers in Quebec who always bring this crap up, take them, dump them on an island in the arctic and let them live out their independent francophone nation fantasies far from those of us….”

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Sounds like a plan! We’re sick to death of listening to their threats.

#138 big town on 09.03.12 at 10:52 am

Pauline Marois brings a mixed picture of Quebec to Canada but I am prepared to be open and positive about it due to the fact that Quebec and the Quebec folk are a hearty bunch and have been here in Canada for over 500 years and deserve at minimum our respect and more than that our gratitiude that they are still willing to be our sisters and brothers. I love you Quebec and like all marriages there is some pain there but I am willing to celebrate French and being Canadian and I am putting down any silly pride and saying merci Pauline Je taime.

#139 Hoof - Hearted on 09.03.12 at 11:06 am

Re Quebec

I re-iterate my bluff statement.

Why does one think there were student protests re: tuition increases ?

Trickle down effect of the free ride is over.

Quebec had made itself a have-not province, hence the Feds sent it disproportional transfer payments.

It had one of THE lowest post secondary tuition rates in Canada for (i) Quebec residents and (ii) OUTSIDE COUNTRIES who were deemed Francophone.

One of our children , Born in BC, attends McGill, fluent in 3 languages….. and pays a higher tuition than someone who is from say Europe or Africa.

How many people know this scam? and I am sure there are many others.

However, Quebecers are finding the real world very scary as their own ass kissing Govt’s have no choice but to drag them kicking and screaming into it.

#140 eaglebay - Parksville on 09.03.12 at 11:08 am

#69 Westernman on 09.02.12 at 10:02 pm
“The relationship between English Canada and Quebec is like a completely incompatable couple in a failed marriage…”
_______________

What do you mean by “English Canada”?
Go to any large Canadian cities and you’ll hear as many foreign languages as English.
Travel a bit.

#141 PoorgEoisie on 09.03.12 at 11:17 am

A lot of people have a hate on for Quebec, but I would assert that the reason for that hatred has less to do with equalization payments and more to do people wanting a scapegoat for their own short comings. One of the earlier posters wrote that Harper would be the best PM in history if he asked them to leave. People would be willing to ignore the economic mess we are in and the people who created the mess in favour of blaming others based on cultural differences.
This is of course the same political method employed by the Bloc. People are willing to believe some pretty irrational ideas so long as the idea relieves them from any culpability. There was this other guy who appealed to people’s willingness to blame a poor economic situation on an easily identified minority… What was his name again? 1933 or thereabouts, lanky guy small mustache.
Bottom line to this rant is: I like Quebec as a part of Canada and the haters on both sides are more alike than they know.

#142 Big Al New on 09.03.12 at 11:18 am

“Why couldn’t the Liberals just leave everything well alone.” It’s not in a Liberals genetic makeup to leave anything alone, they are all seeing and all knowing.
On question that you may be able to answer Garth, what was Paul Martin like? I often wonder if he would have been one of the best PM’s we never had. Unfortunately we got stuck with big oils sock puppet and his little finance elf.

#143 condo hangover on 09.03.12 at 11:21 am

Some reading for Labour Day.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speed-up-american-workers-long-hours

#144 John Prine on 09.03.12 at 11:27 am

At a wedding we recently attended in Vancouver we were sitting with a couple from Montreal. Talking about the differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada they said that we “had no idea” about how much they were taxed in Quebec and how they had lost so much in the past few years in the way of government perks. It is hard to understand how much in the way of taxes we pay here in BC compared to Quebec.

In Victoria there is French immersion offered in 17 schools, one sees “L’Ecole Francaise” on the front of many. 1.4% of British Columbians are French speaking. I would hope that English is offered as much in Quebec.

#145 unbalanced on 09.03.12 at 11:33 am

I could care less. Let them leave. What about there debt. Yada Yada.

Carving out one fifth of our GDP and population would have be extremely consequential. If you think your life would go on uninterrupted, you are ignorant. — Garth

#146 Hoof - Hearted on 09.03.12 at 11:41 am

French Immersion ?

Unless you want a Gov’t job, it is highly overrated. Our child went to McGill to keep up with the French…but finds the locals converse with them in English. Our other child took immersion….but is in the trades.

In addition, one will find many of the FI teachers are not cream of the crop…often have to scrape to get any teachers..

In BC French Immersion was a means to get out of ESL classes…as non English speaking students began to overwhelm the school system. Now, many of these are entering FI….

We found many students were pressured into FI,given its elite status. but struggled,….but once into the English track did quite well.

In BC I recall the census stated that approx 30,000 out of 4 Million BC citizen had French as their first language.

FI is overrated, IMHO simply cheap Federal politics.

#147 sanddancer on 09.03.12 at 11:46 am

Would someone ( Garth ) like to explain this !!!!

http://www.yattermatters.com/2012/09/vancouver-average-price-hat-trick/

August average prices for Vancouver UP in all 3 catagories- SFH, Attatched and condo’s

Go figure !!

Some large-dollar sales which skewed the average. This was expected for August. — Garth

#148 Linda Pearson on 09.03.12 at 11:54 am

#138big town on 09.03.12 at 10:52 am

Hear! Hear! and Amen to that!

#149 Party On Garth on 09.03.12 at 12:00 pm

The philosopher kings here in Ontario should be happy.

A PQ victory would lead to a drop in the dollar, which would off set the mythical “dutch disease” from those annoying upstart Albertans.

But who are we kidding, Ontario is not going to be productive even with the aid of an artificially low dollar.

And really, how would Ontarians blow off steam if they couldn’t blame all their problems on Quebec, Alberta, western Canada, or those ignorant horrible Americans.

I guess if all else fails, we can always blame Harper. I mean, who actually moves away from God’s chosen land (Etobicoke), to hell on earth (Calgary)?

If only the rest of the world were as pious and evolved as us.

#150 futureexpatriate on 09.03.12 at 12:09 pm

Don’t feel bad, Garth. In 50 years time, California, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, and Texas will belong to Mexico again. It’s a bi-lingual thing, not an immigration thing. Always leads to separation. Even a melting pot has to settle on one language. The Tower of Babel didn’t happen for nothing.

#151 Bobby on 09.03.12 at 12:14 pm

For #144 John Prine,

There is a sad reality about French Immersion here in BC. It has nothing to do with learning French? Rather it is a poor mans private school. Sad but true.

#152 House Horny Housewife on 09.03.12 at 12:16 pm

Garth,

Were you feeling bored so you decided to stoke the flames a bit or what ? You should know better than to bring this separatist issue up yet again.

As an anglophone living in Québec (and outside of Montréal), it was very interesting to read all of the responses to your blog on this day.

I found that the Québecers who wrote in seemed to be most in line with my own opinions. Many hateful people on this blog are intent on putting all Québecers into one basket: the separatist basket. They cannot see that many of us are Québecers by choice and we are not necessarily violent separatists. I love this province and I would never leave it. I met my Québecer husband in Toronto (where I hated living) and followed him here and I have never regretted my decision. Québec is beautiful and its Québec culture is charming. Québecers also have a long standing heritage that they are (rightfully) proud of. Most of them would give you the shirt off their backs to help you out whether they are English or French speaking.

Just as I despise hearing the hateful garbage from French Québécers with huge chips on their shoulders about “anglophones”, the same goes for the hateful crap of English-Canadians about French-Canadians. It is ignorant and serves no useful purpose.

This kind of disgusting hate mongering is what causes conflicts, wars and dehumanizing crime. As soon as you begin to see others as anything lower than yourself you will also find it easy to treat them that way.

So cut the shit people. Leave Québec alone and allow it to vote as it sees fit. If the PQ is indeed elected, they will most likely come in with a minority government and a leader who has a bunch of her own party problems. Sure the financial markets will sway for a while (as they always do when someone so much as sneezes or farts) and as usual, when people realize that the sky is NOT falling, things will adjust again, just like last time. There will not be a huge exodus on the 401 and people will still keep buying and selling houses and condos in Québec. In other words, LIFE WILL GO ON.

HHHW

#153 Mr Buyer on 09.03.12 at 12:32 pm

United we stand, divided we fall (undermine cohesion Psy-Ops 101)

#154 Seriously? on 09.03.12 at 12:37 pm

Wow, Steven Rowlandson is “Deleted”.

What could he have possibly written that was so bad?

Oh well, deletion happens.

#155 David McDonald on 09.03.12 at 12:42 pm

Dear Garth
I think you are wrong about this; Quebec is a nation. The vote in the Canadian parliament and the prime minister’s tactics are irrelevant to this fact and that vote is clearly irrelevant to the election debate going on in Quebec. The majority in Quebec wants to preserve its culture and the French language regardless of some injustices and friction with the rest of Canada. So far a tradition of accommodation has finessed these difficulties.
When your team is losing you fire the manager. Unfortunately for Quebec this may mean a win for the PQ (or for Americans, the Republicans). The majority of Quebecers don’t want separation from an economically successful Canada. Even if the PQ wins, the moderate majority will just have to keep its cool and this too will pass.
The effect of a PQ win on real estate and the Canadian dollar is a real worry. So far the dollar has held up but I do remember the late eighties when our dollar was down to 60 cents US and real estate was in the ditch. The Quebec situation was a big part of the equation.

#156 Party On Garth on 09.03.12 at 12:42 pm

I’m getting bored with the Quebec-Harper-Alberta-America bashing.

Could someone be a dear and provoke a woe-is-me, anti-boomer, generational warfare invective from one of the usual basement dwelling, whiny, millennial suck holes?

I could use a good laugh. Thanks.

#157 Hoof - Hearted on 09.03.12 at 12:49 pm

#152 House Horny Housewife on 09.03.12 at 12:16 pm

Dear Horny House Wife

UR kidding right?

Ever heard of the Stockholm Syndrome?

Can’t get into anything more politically kinky than Quebec Versus Canada.

#158 Cooked on 09.03.12 at 12:51 pm

Ever seen Pauline Marois’ house?

http://westislandgazette.com/news/8857

#159 Herb on 09.03.12 at 12:56 pm

And now for something completely different:

Happy Labour Day, Brothers Truth Hammerer and Westernmoron!

#160 Industrial guy on 09.03.12 at 12:56 pm

“That this House recognize that the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada.”

“Que cette Chambre reconnaisse que les Québécoises et les Québécois forment une nation au sein d’un Canada uni.”

So the Canadian Parliament declared that one of ethnic groups resident in Canada was a nation within a “united Canada” …What does this actually means in law? It fails to address the age old question .. is a Nation a Country?
Michael Chong concerns about Ethnic Nationalism were spot on .. I’m sure Pierre Trudeau would have said the same thing if he was alive in 2006. After passage of this statement, the popularity of sovereignty in Quebec actually diminished. It’s running at about 26% right now.

The people of Newfoundland are/were a nation which chose to join Canada in 1949. Did they lose all vestiges of their unique culture, music, folklore, food at midnight, March 31, 1949? I think not. I don’t think it matters to Newfoundlanders whether the Government of Canada recognizes them as a distinct culture and society. Just like the Quebecois .. they are one.

I basically agree with your statement that we should “Stand up for principle.” It’s a philosophy which has served this country well in the past. Pearson’s peace keepers come to mind.
I’m just not certain what Harper’s theatre of the absurd actually means. Clearly you do. Maybe we did open Pandora’s box. Maybe not. I’ll leave it to the Supreme Court Justices to figure that one out.

#161 Don on 09.03.12 at 1:31 pm

#152 House Horny Housewife

Nicely put!

Too many hateful generalizations these days.

Live and let live as long as your actions do not harm others.

#162 Westernman on 09.03.12 at 1:33 pm

HHHW @ # 152,
What a king – Sized barrage of Quebec Bullshite. You just don’t get it do you?
Have all of that wondeful French “Culture” you want, just don’t demand the rest of Canada pay for it…
You Quebec’er’s are like pre-pubescent children – want to assert your “uniqueness but want to live under daddy’s roof and have someone else pay the freight – why don’t you all just seperate and spare the rest of us a giant headache …

You may see Canada as a family and the provinces as children. Most Quebeckers see the country as a marriage. — Garth

#163 bill on 09.03.12 at 1:42 pm

gee Garth…if H only had a brain eh?

#164 Kurt on 09.03.12 at 1:44 pm

But, but, but! Stephen Harper did stand up for principle! Unfortunately, the principle he stood up for was “Power, at any cost.” He reminds me a lot of Jean Chretien.

#165 Julia on 09.03.12 at 1:50 pm

Hear hear #152 HHHW! Great post.
Fan from downtown TO.

#166 Margo on 09.03.12 at 1:58 pm

Let Quebec leave. Let them take the St.Lawrence lowlands that they arrived with. Let the Cree decide where they want to place their lands. Let the Cree have the hydro improvements foisted on them by Quebec – improvements that Quebec has been profiting mightily from – to the detriment of the Cree. If Quebec wants to cite history as their justification – let them bite on this.
The rest of us would be off the hook for transferr payments and could get on with our lives. Hopefully we would not still be on the hook – now for foreign aid.

#167 Canadian Watchdog on 09.03.12 at 2:11 pm

“Some large-dollar sales which skewed the average. This was expected for August. — Garth”

It wasn’t high-end sales, that’s for sure.

REBGV Y/Y August Dollar Volume:
Detached* -40.2%
Attached -27.4%
Apartment -26.2%
Total -35.4%

There is complacency amongst recent buyers who are thinking what every other seller is thinking—wait for next spring—not realizing the amount of leveraged dollars being offered on detached homes has contracted by 32%, or almost 1/3 year-to-date.

Liquidity is drying up.

Sales can decline and prices rise. In fact, that almost always happens. I thought you were the stats guy. — Garth

#168 truth hammer on 09.03.12 at 2:21 pm

#102 M…from Blacks column…..a keener insight than most.

“Most Quebecers are not really interested in Canada, but aren’t especially hostile to it, dimly recognizing that their adherence as Canadians has been bought by transfer payments from English Canada; and they resent that fact. In their frustration at the impossibility of Quebec seceding — not only because it would be impossible to assemble a clear majority for a serious referendum question, but because it would be too harmful economically — some Quebec leaders are outbidding each other in their cultural oppression of minorities.”

Your estimation of transfer payments to Quebec was a tad low by about 4 billion. In fact they are the lapdogs of an impotent ideology that was been nutured by the Liberal Party over their decades of braindead cultural dictatorship. The ‘Cultural Revolution’ of the Trudeau years was as destructive to Canadian democracy as rape of China by Trudeau’s mentor Mao Tse Tung.

It was a Liberal (Trudeau) who fought separatists. It was a Conservative (Harper) who acquiesced. What stupid comments. — Garth

#169 RayB on 09.03.12 at 2:23 pm

Garth
Quebec is a distinct society too bad Meach Lake did not pass. To anyone who has ever spent time there it is quite clear. Generally average Quebecer’s are not themselves so obsessed and driven as the Separatists or even the Red Necks in the rest of Canada. I believe sovereignty association would work although I do not wish to see Quebec leave I believe we have not done enough to protect their culture and this is why we see a backlash with French protection in the province. It seems not only is buying a house emotional and irrational so is the fear of the country breaking up and what comes afterwards.

#170 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 2:39 pm

Re Cowardly Lion….in photo above

The Wizard of Oz was actually a symbolic tale via the author’s disenchantment with the political environment of the day, and as usual how politicians screw up the economic system .

The Cowardly Lion represents Williams Jennings Brian, a powerful and popular politician, aka “a Lion ‘ who ended up disappointing many of his supporters.

Jennings was intertwined with Woodrow Wilson era(aka Federal Reserve), and warned of the Big Corporation/Big Banks

The other characters in the Wizard of Oz also represent the zeitgeist..aka spirit of the times.

#171 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 2:40 pm

Williams Jennings Brian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan

#172 RayB on 09.03.12 at 2:45 pm

Garth
Diversity of culture and language is a necessity just as a diversity of genetic makeup is. Could you imagine a world where we all spoke the same language and ate the same foods and thought the same way we would then be totally controlled without democracy without choice living as barbarians. The importance of language and culture was never so evident when the French President Chirac stood up to the Americans and said no to the Iraq war. That act set a precedent that I believe changed the course of history and at that moment I was happy that France and the French existed. Canada itself said nothing.

#173 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 2:47 pm

To the citizens of Caledon, nay Canada.

Without a trace of hyperbole I say: you had your chance, to elect one of this century’s (admittedly short thus far) greatest parlamentarians.

In his stead you now have a minister who meddles in private workers’ rights, further weaking our rights.
Emblematic of her party’s over-reaching goals.

We are left with this pathetic weblog as a reminder of your folly. :-)

#174 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 2:50 pm

#103 Buy? Curious? on 09.03.12 at 2:03 am

Actually Hockey Night in Canada is being broadcast in Punjabi. Not a bad marketing idea, maybe attracting new fans.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2011/12/05/sp-hnic-punjabi.html

#175 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 2:54 pm

I like the french people in Quebec very much. They’re a lot of fun and very interesting culture. But I don’t like how our Marxist federal government’s system of equalization sends buckets of transfer payments to the loser provinces of this nation at the expense of the productive provinces.

Anybody who knows anything about control systems knows that this equalization system creates perverse incentives.

The receivers of the free ride money will be inclined to be less productive and/or more wasteful than they otherwise would be, squandering capital, while the productive provinces will tend to be lazier and less productive than they otherwise would be. Since they now have less capital.

Captialism needs capital which comes only from savings, not a printing press.

Yes, of course. Let people in ‘poorer’ provinces die of untreated diseases, for example, since they can’t afford their share of health care. Good plan for building the master Canadian race. You imbecile. — Garth

#176 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 2:59 pm

Ze papers pleez.

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-order-plane-flying-anti-harper-message-to-land-1.940575

RCMP order plane flying anti-Harper message to land

ottawa.ctvnews.ca
Published Monday, Sep. 3, 2012 12:49PM EDT
Last Updated Monday, Sep. 3, 2012 1:00PM EDT

A public service group’s plane chartered to fly an anti-Stephen Harper message around Gatineau was ordered to land by the RCMP on Saturday.

Larry Rousseau of the Public Service Alliance of Canada said the plane towing the message “Stephen Harper Nous Deteste” (Steven Harper Hates Us) was flying in the Ottawa area when RCMP contacted the pilot and told them to land.

Rousseau said the pilot was then “interrogated” once he was on the ground.

The RCMP said they told the plane to land as part of their mandate to protect the prime minister, as it could have posed a security risk

#177 ozy - character on 09.03.12 at 3:06 pm

let the french guys call them a nation and as much independence they want. Garth: having character is above having stuborn principles

#178 Casual Observer on 09.03.12 at 3:06 pm

Be careful what you wish for. Quebec separating from Canada would definitely have a negative impact on our currency and markets. It is not the same thing as Greece leaving the Euro.

If the economic damage caused by the country splitting apart is too severe, then it doesn’t matter how far home prices fall. People won’t be able to buy if they have no income.

When home prices fall, it helps to still have a job so you can take advantage of the decline.

#179 mark on 09.03.12 at 3:09 pm

it’s only 33% of quebecers who will vote for the PQ tomorrow, not the majority of quebecers.
they will win though, because the federalist parties are splitting the vote.

Little more than a third of Canadians voted for Mr. Harper, and he has a majority government. — Garth

#180 fan on 09.03.12 at 3:09 pm

Garth, why doesn’t the government create and spend money into existence instead of borrowing it? Why should the government be servicing the debt at all? I would prefer to deal with the inflation instead of the chartered banks.

The federal government does not borrow money from the chartered banks. — Garth

#181 DonDWest on 09.03.12 at 3:14 pm

So let me see if I understand the reasoning of these right wing fanatics. Quebec is to blame for Stephen Harper’s destructive economic policies? That’s the oldest tool in the fascist book – the scapegoat.

This is quite a different “seperatist” movement than the one I opposed back at the time of Jacques Pariseau and Lucien Bouchard. . .

I cannot in good conscience blame people who want to free themselves from a tyrant and protect their heritage. I also respect Quebec’s dispise of International crony bankers. Heck, Quebec may just be the last bastion of freedom left in North America. I guess people hate what they themselves lack the courage to oppose.

As a long time Federalist French Canadian, I can’t believe my alignments are leaning towards the other camp, but changing circumstances are a part of life. And as far as I’m concerned, neutrality is for sissies.

People didn’t realize that when the Bloc got hammered in the last Fed election, it wasn’t the end, only the beggining. Quebec showed nobility at the polls in doing what they had to do to out a tyrant. I will always admire La Belle province for putting their personal feelings aside to try and achieve a greater good. . . Now a new “seperatist” movement has emerged; much different than the one of old.

An enemy of my enemy is a friend. Quebec stands opposed to Stephen Harper. They have my political support 100% whether they decide to split or stay.

#182 Westernman on 09.03.12 at 3:26 pm

Reply to # 162,
You are dancing around the issue Garth … I don’t see Canada as a family and the provinces as children or any other such thing – I see a province that is freeloading off of the rest of the country using their culture and language as leverage to get money for nothing.
It’s the age – old struggle of the productive trying to reject the non-productive.
There is no need to complicate this issue – it’s just that simple.

How do you feel about the other free-loaders, including Nova Scotia, Ontario and New Brunswick? — Garth

#183 Alberta Rocks on 09.03.12 at 3:28 pm

The real whiners are those who are reflexively anti-Harper. Sure the guy makes mistakes. But imagine sitting in the pm’s chair and looking out the door. What do you see? Screwball separatists, fiscal challenges (albeit some self-inflicted), a hostile, flaky left-wing media, crybaby labor unions (esp public ones), you name it. Plus all the self-proclaimed armchair critics that visit this blog. Give the guy a break already. And message to Quebec separatists: Don’t go away mad, just go away. And take your share of the debt with you. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Another nation-building tip from Alberta. — Garth

#184 jess on 09.03.12 at 3:30 pm

the commodification of kindness – Time Banking system
from 2007
http://www.timebanking.org/
Reciprocity
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/oct/10/guardiansocietysupplement.voluntarysector

#185 ferd on 09.03.12 at 3:31 pm

The federal government does not borrow money from the chartered banks. — Garth

WRONG

Right, actually. — Garth

#186 Westernman on 09.03.12 at 3:33 pm

Reply to # 182,
I feel the same way about all freeloaders – as long as I don’t have to pay for them they can be as useless as they want…

#187 truth hammer on 09.03.12 at 3:33 pm

RE #51 G-Man…….

“Increasing the money supply does not equate inflation. — Garth”

HUH? “Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply.[6]”

Dude I don’t know who you’re talking to about what the definition of inflation is…and I have supplied you with the money supply data……but what are you guys smoking up on the 54th FLR? . Iincreasing the money supply is exactly what ‘inflation’ means….and what it does is described below.

“In economics, inflation is a rise in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time.[1] When the general price level rises, each unit of currency buys fewer goods and services. Consequently, inflation also reflects an erosion in the purchasing power of money – a loss of real value in the internal medium of exchange and unit of account in the economy.[2][3] A chief measure of price inflation is the inflation rate, the annualized percentage change in a general price index (normally the Consumer Price Index) over time.[4]

Inflation’s effects on an economy are various and can be simultaneously positive and negative. Negative effects of inflation include a decrease in the real value of money and other monetary items over time, uncertainty over future inflation which may discourage investment and savings, and if inflation is rapid enough, shortages of goods as consumers begin hoarding out of concern that prices will increase in the future. Positive effects include ensuring that central banks can adjust nominal interest rates (intended to mitigate recessions),[5] and encouraging investment in non-monetary capital projects.

Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply.[6]

If you cross referance back to the money supply data I gave you you can draw a straight line from the inception Greenspans QE interferance in 2001 to now. The money supply ( the now unpopular to publish M3) has been steady at 14% per annum…..and as such we have a corresponding rise in real estate…all consumables…and the underlying commodity. House values ..inflation measured…have not gone up a dime…..the difference has been the eroded value of the underlying medium of exchange……as the economic parable states….more paper chasing the same commodity.

#188 ferd on 09.03.12 at 3:35 pm

How do you feel about the other free-loaders, including Nova Scotia, Ontario and New Brunswick? — Garth

Oh please, what bull! Ontario has been writing cheques for years and YOU KNOW IT! Eastern Canada has been harmed more than it has been helped by constant interference from the rest of the country. Handouts don’t build stable economies, you know this all too well.

Ontario is a net recipient of equalization payments. This year it will receive $3.2 billion. I find it’s less embarrassing if you think before you type. — Garth

#189 Basil Fawlty on 09.03.12 at 3:38 pm

“Increasing the money supply does not equate inflation. — Garth”

I thought increasing the money supply was inflation, which may or may not result in an increase in prices!
For example, if the increase in money supply matched the increase in GDP, then one would not expect an increase in the general price level.

#190 Tony on 09.03.12 at 3:43 pm

I guess there’s still a handful of people who remember the French. Memories of hiding in the wine cellars and under the bunk beds are the ones most of us do remember. Present day politics waste air time over French issues as if they rest of the country could car less.

#191 Julia on 09.03.12 at 3:48 pm

Garth, there is just one thing i can’t for the life of me figure out: what on earth possessed you to want to be a part of Harper’s government in the first place? You seem far too reasonable and human.

#192 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 3:52 pm

Yes, of course. Let people in ‘poorer’ provinces die of untreated diseases, for example, since they can’t afford their share of health care. Good plan for building the master Canadian race. You imbecile. — Garth
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Garth, in a free market with limited government economics is fundamentally about the allocation of resources that best suits the needs and desires of the individual, which includes healthcare. If extremely poor the priority will be food and shelter. Healthcare is a luxury when survival is at stake.

But, in a collectivist system like Canada, the governments allocate resources for healthcare and hence the system is highly misallocated, too much goes to wages and upper management while little goes to the frontline services and capital equipment.

Quebec just spend $400 million on a new hockey area where the province contripbuted $200 million.

So obviously the Quebec provincial government is responsible for the lack of healthcare if there is one, not Canada.

I’m hardly an imbecile since I know what I’m talking about. It’s sad how you always attack the person instead of an argument that you can not defeat. It’s intellectually lazy.

You previously said: “The receivers of the free ride money will be inclined to be less productive and/or more wasteful than they otherwise would be, squandering capital, while the productive provinces will tend to be lazier and less productive than they otherwise would be.” In other words, people less wealthy than you are defective. Now you say they – your fellow citizens – deserve less health care. Calling you an imbecile was incredibly generous. — Garth

#193 Greg on 09.03.12 at 3:54 pm

I am all for a weaker loonie, hopefully a PQ win will do what Marc Carney should have done and protect Canada’s exports.

#194 Canadian Watchdog on 09.03.12 at 3:59 pm

“Sales can decline and prices rise. In fact, that almost always happens. I thought you were the stats guy. — Garth”

No doubt average prices can rise when sales fall due to the sample size, however, what is important is the micro data within the average price to analyze what changed. For example, look at the dynamics between these two scenarios:

1) 300 condos sold for $350,000 and 60 detached homes sold for $1,500,000 equals a combined average price of $541,667. (360 Sales)

2) 310 condos sold for $450,000 and 40 detached homes sold for $1,250,000 equals a combined average price of $541,429. (350 Sales)

By looking at a combined average price, one would assume the average home price is flat, but clearly it is not because in this example, condo prices rose while detached homes declined. This also applies to each segment on its own as new homes vs older homes or different regions can dynamically swing within the average price.

Looking at dollar volume first is important because it indicates overall change and market conditions. For the example above, number 1’s total dollar volume was $195,000,000 while number 2 totaled $189,500,000, a decline of 2.8%. This means the entire market contracted 2.8%.

Back to my point. Looking across each home type by dollar volume will indicate where changes were made. The next step is to look at local land median prices, which I’m awaiting from REBGV’s report.

REBGV Y/Y August Dollar Volume

Detached -40.2%
Attached -27.4%
Apartment -26.2%
Total -35.4%

So, I’m right. Man you take a lot of words. — Garth

#195 fan on 09.03.12 at 4:04 pm

Garth, do governments at any level borrow money from the chartered banks? I can see how the federal gov. only borrows by pushing bonds. Still I don’t understand why we need bonds, why not just create and spend it into existence. We have a fiat currency, might as well use it.

By the way thanks for answering my questions, i’m trying to learn.

Governments do not borrow money from chartered banks. They sell securities to investors. It is far cheaper. — Garth

#196 Tony on 09.03.12 at 4:09 pm

Re: #45 Hoof – Hearted on 09.02.12

Ontario or federal tax increases on wagering in the mid 1980’s spelled the end of racetracks in Canada. People still pull their hair out at Champions when they see the payouts on the same Canadian races broadcast and bet on in America. Baymount Incorporated was the perfect short sale on the venture exchange. To think the company is still afloat is a head shaker.

#197 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 4:12 pm

#188 ferd on 09.03.12 at 3:35 pm

How do you feel about the other free-loaders, including Nova Scotia, Ontario and New Brunswick? — Garth

Oh please, what bull! Ontario has been writing cheques for years and YOU KNOW IT! Eastern Canada has been harmed more than it has been helped by constant interference from the rest of the country. Handouts don’t build stable economies, you know this all too well.

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My understanding of history is that the Maritimes were once quite the economic powerhouse, but the politicians played politics as usual and this base moved to central Canada ie Ontario.

Canada = Ontario + Quebec + WatchamaCallits …..at least since Turdeau.

#198 fan on 09.03.12 at 4:15 pm

Ok, back to basics, when the Bank of Canada creates a dollar, how does it initially go into circulation?

#199 Victoria Tea Party on 09.03.12 at 4:19 pm

QUEBEC, A DECLINING “ENTITY” DESTINED TO “STAY”

Back through the mists to time to 1964, or was in 1965?

I don’t quite remember the year. It doesn’t matter.

But on a certain spring evening the great Rene Levesque sat at our family’s Vancouver dinner table and spoke about the future of Quebec.

I had invited the man to speak to our college’s students and, in the process, my father invited him over to our place for supper.

It was a most interesting evening.

M. Levesque was as charming as the day was long. I really was entralled to be in his presence, in our home especially!

He ate dinner, smoked cigarettes (lots of ’em!) and sipped some wine. He was a marvellous conversationalist, possessed a formidable intellect; he was a diehard Quebec nationalist, a “Quebec firster” as he put it back then.

Both he and my father agreed, then, that Quebec was, de facto, a nation. The reality made that hard to argue against given the province’s intense demographic heft of native-born “citizens.”

As the years unfolded, and both men left us, the intense separatist “culture”, or process, has taken various twists and turns thanks to various and vicious, political intrigues so fundamental to all Quebec politics.

Various political successors to M. Levesque, but mainly a naturally withering “pur laine” demographic, has guaranteed the failure of the separatist dream: Quebec shall remain within the rest of Canada’s confederation.

It matters not how the dotty Mme. Marios and her disgusting political agenda is used to extract more blackmail lolly from Ottawa; the jig is up!

Should Marois’ obsolete band of yesterdays be swept into power it won’t be because voters want to separate. It’ll be because voters are fed up with the current regime!

I think M. Levesque and pops, could they be watching from on high, will be most interested in Tuesday’s outome.

I don’t think M. Levesque was anti-Canadian at all.

He just wanted a little more respect from the rest of us for his people; not a demand, but a simple request, was all, as far as I was able to figure.

#200 falsedata on 09.03.12 at 4:20 pm

Ontario is a net recipient of equalization payments. This year it will receive $3.2 billion. I find it’s less embarrassing if you think before you type. — Garth

Although Ontario was eligible for payments for five years from 1977 to 1981, federal politicians at the time balked at sending money to the country’s most populous province. Ontario received its federal transfer, $347-million, in 2009-10.

In 2010, equalization jumped to $972-million. This year it will total $2.2-billion.

Stop manipulating the facts. Ontario has been writing cheques for many years to many parts of the country. Equalization payments to Ontario have been a recent development (2008 crash).

Equalization payments to Ontario in fiscal 2012-13 (the current year) are $3.2 billion. — Garth

#201 Canadian Watchdog on 09.03.12 at 4:22 pm

“So, I’m right. Man you take a lot of words. — Garth”

Kinda. Try using direct adjectives instead of evasive phrases like “large-dollar sales” to save you in case.

#202 pbrasseur on 09.03.12 at 4:46 pm

Garth – You, along with orthodox liberals were wrong to vote against that motion.

Proof: After that the bloc got vaporized and (don’t let the PQ election fool you) support for independence in Quebec is lower than it has been in years.

Quebeckers simply no longer see soo much the federal gorvernment as a threat. And that is in good par because of Harper (although they still hate him but for other reasons such as social conservatism)

Fact is the election of the PQ has nothing to do with the national question as they call it here, it is about getting rid of a government perceived as very bad by almost everyone here.

The main problem with the PQ is not the constitutional question actually, it is the fact that it is a very leftist platform which would come at a very bad time for the economy.

(a bit as if Ontarians would elect the NDP)

#203 live within your means on 09.03.12 at 4:48 pm

#161 Don on 09.03.12 at 1:31 pm
#152 House Horny Housewife

Nicely put!

Too many hateful generalizations these days.

Live and let live as long as your actions do not harm others.
………………….

Totally agree. I’m personally disgusted by some of these hateful comments from non-Quebecers. We love Quebec & want it to remain part of ‘our Canada’. We have family and many friends there. During my last visit, I was treated wonderfully by sales people in several stores. If they heard me talking to a sister in English, even tho I spoke to the Cashiers in French, several of them replied to me in English — and this was in a non-anglo area.

#204 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 4:49 pm

Today’s weblog post was only a test of the Emergency Polling System.

Had it been a real poll, your results would be discarded by the Harper Goverment [sic].

#205 jess on 09.03.12 at 4:58 pm

Counting the Uncounted

…”if an asset is hidden in an offshore bank accounnt,or an offsore trust or company,and the ultimate owner of beneficiary of the income or capital cannot be identified, then this asset and the income it produces will not be counted in the inequality statistics. almost all these hidden assets are owned by the world’s wealthiest individuals. so it follows that the inequality statistics,particularly at the top end of the scale,underestimate the scale of the problem.”

high net worth individuals HNWI’S in bankers parlance, usually have advisers offering all manner of offshore services,ranging from mild legal tax planning the cloaking of assets for the purpose of tax evsion and manyother crimes. a private global infrastructure of lawyers acct., bankers and company and trust formation agents are dedicated to hiding the asests of the world wealthiest individuals and they have been spectacularly successful,as james henry accompanying report for the tax justice network shows.

http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/Inequality_120722_You_dont_know_the_half_of_it.pdf

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Here’s someone counting lies
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/08/29/mitt-romney-tells-533-lies-in-30-weeks-steve-benen-documents-them/

Foreign Affairs: How Romney’s Millions Went Tax-Free Overseas
Posted on Aug 31, 2012
By Joe Conason…”a scheme that transforms corporate stock into untaxed offshore “derivatives” and a practice that converts management fees into capital gains, which are taxed at a far lower rate. …The complex and tricky tax shelters used by private equity uncovered by the Gawker website …authenticity of the documents was confirmed by a Bain spokesperson, who said that the company deplores the public posting of its proprietary materials.
Victor Fleischer, a law professor at the University of Colorado, Daniel Shaviro, who teaches tax law at New York University’s law school, have raised questions about both the equity “swap” and fee-conversion maneuvers…”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/foreign_affairs_how_romneys_millions_went_tax-free_overseas_20120831/

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what is the denominator?
China – estimating the unemployment figures, the government only includes individuals who were registered with the Chinese Ministry of Labor. The registered unemployed belonged only to the urban regions. So, people residing in rural areas were not covered in the estimation of total unemployment. Even migrant workers, who went outside rural areas in search of work, were not represented.

#206 Industrial guy on 09.03.12 at 5:04 pm

Prime Minister Harper doesn’t have a very good record on the National Unity front. I guess we all remember this chestnut:

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes2004/leadersparties/leaders/pdf/firewall.pdf

Yes, there’s our soon to be Prime Minister sounding very much like a candidate for the Wildrose Party.

Westernman, your I’m OK in Alberta and the rest of you can go to Hell attitude isn’t so shocking anymore. You should be a bit careful about burning your bridges …… those who have it all today can become “freeloaders” very quickly tomorrow.
I can only imagine what you think of Tommy Douglas. All those Canadians using heath care and freeloading on Alberta. Shocking.

In the 80’s I left a good career in Montreal to work with a small Federal Government sponsored organization called Katimavik, the national volunteer youth service program. in 1977, Senator Jacques Hebert had this very interesting idea about bringing together young Canadians from across Canada to work on projects which would benefit communities throughout the country. To be sure, it was also an exercise in nation building. These projects were not a paid vacation. The participants received room and board and a dollar a day. There was a lot of hard physical labour involved and the kids quickly discovered it wasn’t for everyone. Katimavik participants spent three of their nine months in a francophone community in Canada. Yes, there are Francophone towns outside of Quebec. Here’s the funny thing. Some of the hardest working participants in my groups were from Quebec and almost all would have voted yes in a sovereignty referendum when they first started the program. They certainly didn’t feel the same way after their nine months were finished. Many consider their time working in the host communities literally life changing. The participants I worked with went on to achieve great successes in their lives. Some have actually become quite famous. I’m still in contact with many of them and they continue to believe in Canada … as I do.

No matter what our political differences are … Canada is a great and generous country. We’re smart enough to find common ground and work out are conflicts in a way that benefits all.

#207 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 5:14 pm

Mitt Romney Considering Dropping Out, Buying Canada Instead

http://dailycurrant.com/2012/03/28/mitt-romney-drops-out-of-presidential-race-buys-canada-instead/

Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney is said to be considering dropping out of the Republican nomination race for United States president, according to sources close to the former Massachusetts governor.

Tentative reports out of the Romney camp indicate that the candidate has realized that despite the fact that he nearly has the nomination locked up, it might be cheaper for him to simply buy the entire country of Canada and elect himself Prime Minister than it would be to continue on with an expensive American general election campaign.

The same adviser says that Romney is secretly flying to Ottawa tomorrow to send out feelers for a campaign for Prime Minister. Although he hasn’t decided which political party to join yet, Romney is set to address a closed door session of Parliment where he intends to lay out his vision of Canada’s future should he decide to challenge Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

An advance copy of his speech begins by announcing Romeny’s long-standing love for Canada and Canadian values:

“As a child I grew up in Michigan, just right over there across the border from this great land. Oh I remember the summers I spent here in Ontario, and the drives through on my way to and from Harvard. Everything was perfect – the trees, the lakes, the mountains, the desserts. Just a fantastic. Just a wonderful place. The greatest country on the face of the Earth. But I can’t help but notice that Stephen Harper – although he’s a nice guy – is just way in over his head…”

#208 live within your means on 09.03.12 at 5:24 pm

#176 TurnerNation on 09.03.12 at 2:59 pm
Ze papers pleez.

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-order-plane-flying-anti-harper-message-to-land-1.940575

A public service group’s plane chartered to fly an anti-Stephen Harper message around Gatineau was ordered to land by the RCMP on Saturday.
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With all the $M we’ve been spending on security for Harpie, and now this, makes you wonder if we’re not living under a commie regime.

#209 Hugh Jasz on 09.03.12 at 5:29 pm

#62 OlderbutWiser on 09.02.12 at 9:34 pm
Hugh Jasz – have you walked through the Woodbine casino and watched the people playing the slots? It is scary how they all act like puppets perpetually feeding the machines…….

No kidding!

I’ve played quarter slots a handful of times, and quickly realized that the program is just designed to keep me interested long enough to lose $20 or so per half hour.

As one might expect, the dollar slots seem to steal the money about 3 to 4 times as quickly.

This is idiot gambling at it’s worst. Not even any real chance to influence the odds with skill

Given what’s posted on this blog and elsewhere about the average person’s financial outlook, and given that most of the gamblers you see feeding these machines are not likely society’s best and brightest, you have to suspect that dropping $100, $200, or more in a bad night is seriously harmful.

I always thought I was in favour of the “tax on the stupid”, but I fear that this may be costing society in other ways.

And Garth, I’ll apologize for the fact that you felt the need to delete my post about the smear campaign on Layton.

You comment was lewd and tasteless. I regret I missed it when first posted. — Garth

#210 Mntrlr here on 09.03.12 at 5:56 pm

#134 Nemesis

Good post. It really explains a lot. I think this totally applies to the Parti Quebecois Leader right now.
She wants more power, she never wants to separate. He family is loaded. It wouldn’t surprise me if she really has more strings than Harper control her every Marionette move. All at the expense of the middle class.

#211 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 6:10 pm

You previously said: “The receivers of the free ride money will be inclined to be less productive and/or more wasteful than they otherwise would be, squandering capital, while the productive provinces will tend to be lazier and less productive than they otherwise would be.” In other words, people less wealthy than you are defective. Now you say they – your fellow citizens – deserve less health care. Calling you an imbecile was incredibly generous. — Garth
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I never said any such thing. God you’re thick today.

We’ve all been flush with cash at times in our lives and we’ve all been short on cash during tough times in our lives. When people are short on cash people naturally make more frugal and efficient use of capital. Giving a have not province hand outs promotes waste and dependency.

On the flip side, looting productive people makes them care less or work less once they have enough. They’ll take more time off since working further or investing more has diminishing returns and is less beneficial to them. It’s a continuum, at the extreme, 100% tax, you get no work, just a black market.

Go away. — Garth

#212 T.O. Bubble Boy on 09.03.12 at 6:37 pm

@ #211 would Canada be “looting productive people” by raising taxes say 2-3%? bringing back the 7% GST would eliminate more than half of the current deficit. Put capital gains tax on principal residences, and we’re probably in the black.

(see how easy it is to be Finance Minister?)

#213 bigrider on 09.03.12 at 6:38 pm

Getting personal between you and Sherry Cooper, isn’t it( Richmond Hill Post read it).

Looks like Elise Kalles has her eye set on dispariging the stock market as a last ditch effort to keep the RE gasbag that is Toronto continuing.

#214 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 6:39 pm

Re Gambling

Here in Hamville Richmond BC, it seems that Gov’ts are addicted to this “industry”. I felt then and I feel now that expanded gambling is a sign the Gov’ts ARE desperate for $$$$. As economy tanks more people will gamble with what they should keep for rainy day fund.

Listening to RBN today one host talked about Hawaii, and his stroll through their local mall, and stores had slot machines whose prize was a free purchase ? ugghhh.

Yes..I gamble the odd time…and my strategy usually, at minimum, allows me to break even.

#215 Nostradamus Le Mad Vlad on 09.03.12 at 7:03 pm


#122 Dr. WAYNE — “Sure there will be some upheaval, . . .” — That is the nature of life here — constant change, whether we like it or not.

#152 House Horny Housewife, #161 Don and #203 live within your means — “Live and let live as long as your actions do not harm others.
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“This kind of disgusting hate mongering is what causes conflicts, wars and dehumanizing crime.”

So true, and there is plenty of that going on in the world presently. The last thing we need is more of the same. Good posts.

#159 Herb — Holy dungballs! What side of the bed did you fall out of this morning?!

#163 bill — “gee Garth…if H only had a brain eh?” — There’s no answer for that! He’s never used what he had anyway!

“I find it’s less embarrassing if you think before you type. — Garth” — This is why I spend most of my time figuring out who the hell I am!

#191 Julia — “what on earth possessed you to want to be a part of Harper’s government in the first place?” — That’s what shrinks are for. They know a lot more than we do!

#216 Rob now in Nova Scotia on 09.03.12 at 7:19 pm

If Quebec holds a referendum, the rest of Canada should hold and vote whether we should kick them out! Enough favoritism already. The ROC has done enough.

Nova Scotia would suffer disproportionately. Be careful what you wish for. — Garth

#217 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 7:39 pm

Garth, our discussion goes to show one thing for sure, that even a so called Conservative in Canada is still essentially a socialist and more accurately a fascist.

Fascist, meaning the idea of giving businesses the illusion of control yet in the grand scheme of things control is predominantly held by the government’s control over the cost of living, inflation, interest rates and taxation. As well as control over ‘free’ [sic] trade.

#218 jess on 09.03.12 at 7:42 pm

207 Hoof-Hearted

LIBOR + fixed margin
see
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/totalreturnswap.asp#axzz25S9w7JaA

use of offshore accounts to avoid taxation on stock holdings called a “total return equity swap,” because it involves swapping real equities for derivative paper investments that provide all the same dividends as the stock itself—but aren’t subject to federal taxes. According to Shaviro, this practice was sufficiently blatant to elicit a warning from the IRS two years ago. He wrote recently that those who used it over the past decade “were coming perilously close to committing tax fraud, in cases where the economic equivalence to direct (stock) ownership was too great.”

#219 Mark on 09.03.12 at 7:45 pm

You are wrong. Not that you care. — Garth

Yeah Garth, you know more than Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, Faber, Rogers, Sinclair, Schiff, etc. Not that you care.

Increasing the money supply is not the same as inflation. I don’t care if Jesus said it. Wrong. — Garth

#220 Herb on 09.03.12 at 7:53 pm

#217 Ayn Rand Army,

you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, but but that won’t stop you.

#221 Junius on 09.03.12 at 8:00 pm

#217 Ayn Rand,

You said,”Fascist, meaning the idea of giving businesses the illusion of control yet in the grand scheme of things control is predominantly held by the government’s control over the cost of living, inflation, interest rates and taxation. As well as control over ‘free’ [sic] trade.”

You have all of this mixed up. We have a corporate controlled state although we are not as far along as the US due to their election spending. The government is essentially held hostage to corporate interests that are increasingly global in nature.

The actual conduct of the state is moving increasingly towards what Sheldon Wolin calls “Inverted Totalitiarism”. This is were the political system is no longer about the public good but is entirely controlled by well financed groups that have co-opted representative government. Again, the US is further down this continuum but Harper is all about it as well.

#222 falsedata on 09.03.12 at 8:01 pm

#213 bigrider on 09.03.12 at 6:38 pm

Getting personal between you and Sherry Cooper, isn’t it( Richmond Hill Post read it).

Garth goes out of his way to make it personal!

I like dogs. That’s something. — Garth

#223 The American on 09.03.12 at 8:02 pm

Eaglebay-Parksville, f#€k you’re one ignorant “human being.”

#224 I'm stupid on 09.03.12 at 8:07 pm

I Just read your post and one word came too mind

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#225 Nostradamus Le Mad Vlad on 09.03.12 at 8:11 pm


State Owned central banks, such as Libya and Iran are the main point behind all these MEast wars. Will be interesting when China starts its new gold-backed currency and rearranges things; Be Awake “Isn’t it obvious that there is a significant global awakening happening?”; Oversexed Bagpipes Don’t ask; Germany Lowest exports for three years. 58% of new jobs created in the US are min. wage to low paying; Breaking the Backs of corporations, and 11:07 clip Taking down the system (GMOs, etc.); Bulgaria Good for them. The EZone is a sham anyway; South Africa Not doing overly well.
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Coconut Oil Better than mint toothpaste, and further coconuts; Grow Produce In the front yard, face jail; GW – GC and Al Gore nude A million years passes very quickly for polar researchers…; 1812 Napoleon’s defeat in Russia, and a warning to the US; Obomba and Noddin’ Yahoo Blood brothers they’re not, and Iran’s Nuke Power Plant “So, if Israel bombs it now, it will be worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima.” wrh.com; and Obomba again; Drones, a.k.a. The Super Soldier.

#226 jess on 09.03.12 at 8:16 pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829/0709617

Rolling Stone made a Freedom of Information Act request that forced the FDIC to release more than 500 of pages of records. (The government, which was owed more than $30 million in all, had become a creditor to Bain when it took over the failed Bank of New England in early 1991.)

Prior to releasing the documents, the FDIC allowed Bain & Company to scour and redact the records. Dozens of pages were blacked out entirely, on Bain’s claim that these nearly two-decade-old records contain secret “commercial or financial information.”

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/pictures/mitt-romneys-federal-bailout-the-documents-20120829#ixzz25SH0Ohcb

#227 Nemesis on 09.03.12 at 8:17 pm

“I like dogs. That’s something.” — Hon. GT

Well. There ya go. Just like I always said, “Initial political allegiances aside, if he communicates with his constituents, likes dogs, has a BonaFide Hottie for his MainSqueeze and rides a motorcycle… how bad can he be?”

#228 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 8:20 pm

#221 Junius on 09.03.12 at 8:00 pm

Junius, I totally agree with that, that is what we have today and it’s terrible.

And the solution is to limit government from being involved. It’s criminal for the government to use it’s power in the interest of large corporations. I agree.

As an average citizen and worker who is now an owner of a small business I’m outraged by it, and its a large part of why I’m planning to leave Canada soon and take all my ability and resources with me.

Haven’t you left yet? You’re making a career of talking about it. — Garth

#229 Hoof-Hearted on 09.03.12 at 8:30 pm

#209 Hugh Jasz on 09.03.12 at 5:29 pm

Dear Hugh Jasz

Are you associated with Mike Hunt and Mike Rotch?

Thanks….

#230 EIT on 09.03.12 at 8:32 pm

@#219 Mark

The confusion of our language is the greatest blow to our society. Obviously Garth does not define inflation as increase of money supply. Others define it as exactly that. I’m sure that the majority of people define democracy differenlty that I do. I define democracy as majority rule, lots of people define it as rainbows and puppies.

#231 Smoking Man on 09.03.12 at 8:35 pm

Harpo is such a weene. Won’t make a move with out his back room puppet masters. I’ve profiled him.

Growing up he was the fat kid that was made fun of. So rather that pine as many hotties as he could. had an interest in politics cause he dident fit it. Got the taste of power, the machine said let’s back this guy we can easly control him. The rest is history. The I love u garth is because you wouldent take it. Your writer a creative. You could have been so usefull to him. But his backers feared you.

If ever quit drinking smoking, hookers and gambling. I might get in to politics. Canada needs a george galoway

#232 Magpai on 09.03.12 at 8:36 pm

Go forward a hundred years.

They’ll talk about the time the State of Vermont declared itself independant from the United States of America. They’ll remember how the insurection was swiftly put down by the National Guard and a few street gangs for NYC. It’ll be recalled how the agitants were tossed down a nuclear missile silo that was capped off with three hundred tons of concrete and a bed of flowers.
‘All happened on a long weekend, they’ll say.

Then they’ll remember Canada. It was kinda like Vermont, but went surprisingly different.

“They had this ongoing dispute between the Anglos and the French. Went of for years, decades, over a century.”
“But then, we woke up one morning and found Canada dead. Stone cold, face down in two inches of water. That’s all it took. Can you believe it…?”

They must have had it too good. I remember that self-congratulatory “we’re different” attitude they had. You never learn any survival skills with that. Sad, soft, silly.

They coulda hadit all.

#233 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 8:38 pm

“Carving out one fifth of our GDP and population would have be extremely consequential. If you think your life would go on uninterrupted….”

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Canada will adjust. Damn, this subject makes me angry….

No country ‘adjusts’ to losing 20% of its GDP. A drop of 2% right now would spell recession. — Garth

#234 EIT on 09.03.12 at 8:39 pm

@#228 Ayn Rand Army

You sound like a coward to me. I get what you are saying but I choose to learn about liberty and get involved in my community. Where are you gonna run Ayn? time to take a hard look at UN agenda 21. Read it and weep. There is a global federal movement happening and you can’t escape it. Go read Bastiat and help out your country…douch

#235 eddy on 09.03.12 at 8:39 pm

How can a colony have a ‘nation’ within the colony?

#236 Magpai on 09.03.12 at 8:41 pm

And..so many writers remembver Trudeau different than he truly was. This was the man who could publically debate Rene Leveque to such levels of strife, that ol’ Rene would suddenly become aware of the cigarette in his mouth, another in his fingers, and yet another balanced on the edge of the ashtray.

Truly….that’s notable.

Trudeau was tough on Separatism. There was no inch given in that regard. Who remembers…?

#237 smartalox on 09.03.12 at 8:46 pm

Garth, great post, and I think that you’re spot-on with the picture of the cowardly lion, depicting the coward Stephen Harper.

Why a Coward? Well, there are many reasons – proroguing Parliament, waiting for a sunny Friday after press time to announce his government condones torture – but in this case, it was pandering to the xenophobes and extremists, simply because is opponent, defeated, had the courage, moral fibre, and intelligence about Quebec to refuse to do so, when he was asked.

Paul Martin knew that recognition of Quebec as a ‘nation’ would put a chilling new spin on the chant of the old extremists, “Le Quebec aux Quebecois!” For Harper, it didn’t matter, he might have well have used the maple leaf to wipe himself. For what? A few votes? A twist of the knife?

Few Quebecois hate Canada, but they’re taught to hate in insidious ways: I grew up bilingual in Montreal, singing O Canada in French because the French lyrics were more inspiring. I was gobsmacked when a Francophone friend of mine confessed that she’d never heard of them, that at her school, the teachers wouldn’t teach O Canada to them.

This is problem. I never thought I’d agree with Smoking Man, but this is what PQ governments do. they’ve infvested the teaching unions and every 15 years or so, when the kids are old enough to vote (but too young to have really experienced the world) they try again. 1980, 1995, now they’re two years too late, so they had to stoke the fires of discontent on campus, until they could get into power.

If the PQ get into power, look for a snap referendum by the end of October. Campaigning is always better when the kids are back in schools. With ‘luck’ if they get in the separatists will have their mandate in time to start breaking glass on the 9th of November.

Why break with tradition?

#238 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 9:00 pm

#140 Eaglebay: “What do you mean by “English Canada”? Go to any large Canadian cities and you’ll hear as many foreign languages as English. Travel a bit.”

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So why do we cater to French-speaking Quebec?

#239 Nemesis on 09.03.12 at 9:03 pm

I neglected to add… I wonder who stole all that MapleSyrup this week?

[CBC] – Maple syrup worth up to $30M stolen in Quebec

http://tinyurl.com/8gdfsgp

Not a lot of MapleTrees in the Okienogan eh, Nostra?

TeeHee!

#240 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 9:05 pm

“Little more than a third of Canadians voted for Mr. Harper, and he has a majority government. — Garth”

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How does this happen? A full 62% did NOT want Harper. Geez!

#241 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 9:06 pm

#234 EIT on 09.03.12 at 8:39 pm

@#228 Ayn Rand Army

You sound like a coward to me. I get what you are saying but I choose to learn about liberty and get involved in my community. Where are you gonna run Ayn? time to take a hard look at UN agenda 21. Read it and weep. There is a global federal movement happening and you can’t escape it. Go read Bastiat and help out your country…douch
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I was a volunteer firefighter for eight years. Does that count for anything?

The ARA fights for the same principles espoused in the US constitution and declaration of independence. What are you fighting for? Who’s the coward?

Roll over and play dead bitch.

“I was a volunteer firefighter for eight years. Does that count for anything?” Not when you call someone a bitch. — Garth

#242 cynically on 09.03.12 at 9:25 pm

To #182 and #188 – listen to garth and know thy country.

#243 EIT on 09.03.12 at 9:40 pm

@#241 Ayn

Correct me if i’m wrong, but you want to run away from this country. I took the next logical step in calling you a coward. I work to better my community. You’re just fighting for yourself. I’m staying, see you later… i’m sure they need you out there… douch

#244 cynically on 09.03.12 at 9:45 pm

To #s 182 and 188 – listen to Garth and know thy country.

#245 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 9:55 pm

“No country ‘adjusts’ to losing 20% of its GDP. A drop of 2% right now would spell recession. — Garth”

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You understand politics. I don’t. How long would it take to recover from the recession you speak of…to finally be free of Quebec separatists and their constant, never-ending threats?

#246 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 10:28 pm

#243 EIT on 09.03.12 at 9:40 pm

@#241 Ayn

Correct me if i’m wrong, but you want to run away from this country. I took the next logical step in calling you a coward. I work to better my community. You’re just fighting for yourself. I’m staying, see you later… i’m sure they need you out there… douch
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You are wrong, but I’m not going to correct you.

And if you care so much then hurry up and make Canada a hospitable place toward manufacturing and the growth of business such that I’d be happy to stay, seeing as you love me so much.

It’s not running away when it’s a fight that can’t be won. It’s about making the best decision for me and mine, or it’s a business decision. Works either way.

#247 Toon Town Boomer on 09.03.12 at 10:30 pm

When confidence in real estate wavers, consumers cut back on borrowing to get into homes and start saving and renting instead.
You can’t rent & save here in Saskatoon. Landlord’s here are asking an arm and a leg for their rentals.They don’t want your kids or your pets either, but they will take a year of post dated cheques.

#248 JimmyAAA on 09.03.12 at 10:41 pm

#245 Daisy Mae on 09.03.12 at 9:55 pm
“No country ‘adjusts’ to losing 20% of its GDP. A drop of 2% right now would spell recession. — Garth”

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You understand politics. I don’t. How long would it take to recover from the recession you speak of…to finally be free of Quebec separatists and their constant, never-ending threats?

Daisy;

It would take much longer than most people. 10 years under the most optimistic scenario (assuming the 20% loss in one year and 3% growth a year afterwards) NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

More likely it would be 25 years minimum. Truth is we would never get it back.

There is no chance the WTO will allow Newfoundland to overturn the bad Churchill Falls agreement when Canada wouldn’t. The Maritimes would now become the next have nots that Alberta would want to kick out.

#249 Boombust on 09.03.12 at 10:42 pm

Harper?

Don’t make me laugh. He’s “almost” as bad as that OTHER CIA mole/stooge in Ottawa…Mulroney.

He sickens me.

#250 EIT on 09.03.12 at 11:42 pm

#246 Ayn Rand Army on 09.03.12 at 10:28 pm

I’m glad the founding fathers you love so much didn’t have your point of view. Unwinnable my ass. Go run.

#251 James on 09.04.12 at 4:34 am

Quebecers, let’s all vote today for our Jeanne d’Arc !

– James

#252 TurnerNation on 09.04.12 at 9:18 am

Bigarider my search finds this link.

Penned by our forum host!

http://www.postcity.com/Post-City-Magazines/August-2012/Will-condo-bust-spread/

#253 GordieCanuk on 09.04.12 at 9:22 am

I’m kind of hoping for a PQ government, that way I might just be looking at even lower priced RE in the winter when I’ll likely be shopping…And after QC stays in Canada ( I don’t see separation in the cards) I could see some decent appreciation…people buying in front of the 2 previous referendums did well here.

#254 Doug in London on 09.04.12 at 10:19 am

It’s amazing to think that a government I thought (obviously wrongly) that was pro federalist would consider a province declaring itself a nation. While we’re at why don’t we consider Newfoundland and Labrador a separate nation? After all they were a separate entity up to 1949. What about all those Aboriginal people, are they a separate nation? How about Nova Scotia, with all those people of Scottish descent? Should it be declared a nation? How about Kitchner-Waterloo with all those people of German descent or Thunder Bay with the largest population of Finnish people outside of Finland? The list goes on and on. Corect me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the point of Confederation to be ONE nation?

#255 truth hammer on 09.04.12 at 1:09 pm

Garth…..seriously ..Trudeau was the primary architect behind the ‘quiet revolution’….he poured billions into Quebec to nation build and wanted to soft sell the notion that Quebec would move along its path in a smooth and natural transition with Canadians approval by creating the conditions for separation by fragmenting the country with ethnic ghetto’s who would have little attachment to the historic notion of Canada…..

In his blithe arrogance he was wrong..tried to act the concerned politician at the end…but everyone knew all along that he was the chief proponent of a seperate Quebec by his actions alone……when the world balked at his blatant attempts to break up the country with violence he backed off and instead created the Charter of Tears so as to hamstring any incoming government from changing the intent of liberal ideology for generations into the future…..

The Trudeau Charter of Tears enshrines the right of the separatists to agitate against Canada and to use the Charter against the will of the people until such time a separation can be achieved…all the while continuing to fund the revolution with Canadian tax dollars…he was an evil insidious manipulative troll…stop watching so much CBC and pay attention to what really happens.

#256 Nefertiti on 09.04.12 at 1:09 pm

#25QuebecGirlInVancouver

100% right. It really does seem to me the only ones who want to talk about separation are the federalists. Separation has never been this unpopular in the province, EVEN with the conservatives in power. People are not dumb; we have the short end of the stick and leaving Canada would be stupid. In calling Quebec a nation, Harper effectively shut up our province; yes, we’re different, and it’s okay. Now can we all hug and move on?

#75Chris Scott

Damn, I can’t wait for prices to crash here; been renting in the suburbs for years and cannot wait to buy in 2-3 years! Outremont is such an amazing spot, and near my job, hopefully I can afford something in the area when the time comes.

#94wwwStratege

It’s so sad to see the awful perception from outside. I wish people would understand there is a HUGE difference between electing PQ (which I will) and wanting separation (which I DO NOT want). All we want is get get rid of Charest’s corrupt ass really. Maybe CAQ will prove themselves worthy of leading the province next election, we’ll see how they fare in the opposition.

#120Joe The Plumber

God I hope the NDP will get themselves a provincial party in Quebec ASAP. We desperately need a left-wing federalist party here, the separatists are hogging all the air on the left side of the spectrum.

#152House Horny Housewife

Thank you. I find it so sad to see all the hate and the xenophobia going on whenever the subject is brought up. We are part of Canada, and we have an amazing culture, great lifestyle, and anyone who’d come here for a bit would love it. My anglo friend who lived her entire life here moved to TO 5 years ago. She hates TO and looking for a job in Mtl so she can move back. The culture here is like no other, the food is fantastic, the people are incredibly nice, and the summers are beyond anything else. You’d have to have never set foot here to spew so much hate about somewhere so great.

#257 wxman on 09.04.12 at 1:57 pm

I am an anglophone living in the west island of Montreal. Its very easy for all you ROC bashers to slam Quebec every five seconds but you are not doing any of us here in Quebec any good. Yes Quebec gets a lot of equalization payments but per person the atlantic provinces get even more. Yet no one says anything about them.

If Marois wins..which is very likely..it wont be because most Quebecers want to seperate but it will be becasue the previoous Liberal government under Charest was involved in all sorts of corruption scandals. Charest and his band had 9 years to change how things are done in Quebec and he failed miserably..he didnt even stand up to the english community. So I dont blame Quebecers for booting him out. The best case scenario would be the new party winning as they are promoting major cleanup and efficiencies and no referendum. The problem is that they have only been around for 1 year so its a tall order.

Ms.Marois will try and pit the ROC and Quebec against each other so that she can drive up the soverignty vote. So both sides need to be aware that she will try to stir the pot..the best things we could all do in Quebec and in Canada is to ignore her. The latest poll has Quebecers only 28 percent in favor of seperation. But if Canadians and Harper start mouting off against Quebec and bashing it every 5 seconds that could jump to 51 percent.

Yes in the long run it may be good for Quebec to be gone but think about how it impacts Atlantic Canada who will be physically cut off from the rest of Canada. It may also result in an eventual merging of provinces with the USA. There are all sorts of unintended consequences which could happen as a result of a lot of hot heads. Lets all try and keep our cool and put Mme.Marois on mute.

#258 Crumpets on 09.04.12 at 6:58 pm

Hi! I’m an immigrant living in BC. We’ve just received our permanent residency and when situations like the current one occur I feel terribly ignorant. I’d like to start becoming more educated about the semi-recent political history of Canada. Can anyone recommend a few good books? Thank-you!