Oh, crap

Loonie dives on new political crisis

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Now, this is just what we need. Whatever your political views, admit that we are in the soup now. Parliament has been shut, the country is adrift, a majorty of MPs have expressed no confidence in the government and Stephen Harper stands to be defeated now at the end of January. Election? Try March 9th. Hey, how’s that for inspiring investor confidence in the middle of a global financial meltdown. Only in Canada, eh?

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#1 The Lip on 12.04.08 at 1:40 pm

GO HARPER GO. The opposition is sooo sad and sooo broken.

#2 The Lip on 12.04.08 at 1:49 pm

Check out this site: http://www.petitiononline.com/CANADIAN/petition.html and go to all the comments. Now sitting at around 250,000 signatures. Very Interesting.

That petition is bogus, since the BQ is not part of the Coalition government. This is a great example of how our political leadership is creating a new national unity crisis in order to retain power. I’m not proud of that. — Garth

#3 colette on 12.04.08 at 2:06 pm

yes harper please go, do everyone a big favour and go…go anywhere and when there stay there.

#4 JET on 12.04.08 at 2:08 pm

Seems the only certainty is uncertainty.

#5 beagle on 12.04.08 at 2:29 pm

Having the parliament shut is fine with me. Less chance of major screw ups done while we wait for the neighbouring elephant to make up it’s mind.

#6 kc on 12.04.08 at 2:38 pm

Spoiled Brat HARPER is now showing his backbone and the YELLOW stripe that goes from his nose to his toes. Why doesn’t this surprise me… I feel he was lieing in his election campain and now he just showed the world how much of a turncoat he really is. He should stand up to the facts that this wonderful country of ours is starting to look more and more like the kid in the playground who just soiled his pants, instead of the 200 yo place of my birth. They (our 4 parties) are doing this country the greatest shame of all for now we truely can be called “Canada Banana”. They want a coupe? I guess canadians are going to have to unlock the arms that we have stuffed into safety (gun laws??) show them what a REAL COUPE is…..

heaven help us and if we do go back to the polls I bet Harper gets his ass handed to him on a tin plate….

#7 The Lip on 12.04.08 at 2:49 pm

GARTH,

YES, YOU ARE CORRECT… THE BQ ARE NOT PART OF THE COALITION. THEY JUST HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER AND CAN CREATE A TOTAL MESS OF A VERY WEAK NEW SYSTEM.
IT IS VERY CLEAR WHERE YOUR SUPPORT GOES.

They hold nothing. They only agreed to suupport a coalition goveenment on (a) a throne speech and (b) budget, without seeing the contents. This scary separatist talk is to create a straw man for the Conservatives to punch. — Garth

#8 Cal on 12.04.08 at 2:54 pm

Even if Stephen Harper agreed to EVERYTHING the opposition wanted in January, I still hope they turf him.

Why? Because he can’t be trusted. If you can’t trust him, you can’t work with him. Harper needs to resign, and the Conservatives need to appoint a new leader if they are to survive.

Unfortunately Stephen Harper, if he is anything, isn’t honourable.

#9 The Lip on 12.04.08 at 3:08 pm

SO MUCH FOR “Some folks here have asked me to comment on the weirdness that is Ottawa right now. Well, kids, ain’t gonna happen.” UNDER WHAT REALLY MATTERS, DEC. 2ND

WE SHOULD NEVER TALK POLITICS OR RELIGON. BUT WE DO GO TO THE POLLS.

#10 David on 12.04.08 at 3:13 pm

Only in Canada is right eh!!!
Those self pitying Albertans that support Harper must be happy. They spent the whole week whining about unfairness, tyranny of the majority and kept using words like “treason and sedition” as if they actually know what those words actually mean in the legal or moral sense. Treason and sedition are well defined concepts under British and Scottish common law and carry with them the highest forms of civil punishment up to and including getting gibbeted in the public square.
Mr. Harper believes in the supremacy and confidence of Parliament, but only the dumb voters will not give him an absolute majority of seats in the Commons and let his will run rampant.
I respectfully dissent with Madame Jean’s decision to prorogue Parliament without a confidence test.
These so called “Conservatives” are very uncomfortable with the Conventions of Westminster that establish the legitimacy of constitutional government when it does not serve their interests.

#11 dotava on 12.04.08 at 3:19 pm

#1 The Lip on 12.04.08 at 1:40 pm

go it your grass before snow cover everything.

P.S. Salt will be around the corner

#12 smwhite on 12.04.08 at 3:28 pm

Harper is a chicken hawk, a bold faced liar, and has a lack of understanding of basic economic fundamentals; as does his side kick Flaherty who’s already put his “finesse” touch on the province on Ontario while being a honorable member of the provincial government.

#7 The Lip,

The bloc also holds the balance of power for the conservative government, stop eating up on the wanna-be neo-con crap. There is a large portion of the conservative government that is just a lethal to Canada as the Bloc. Replace Harper and the conservative party gets my vote back. They need to revert to their more progressive roots to ever have a majority…

Somebody that is a LEADER and not playing parts of the country against one another. He’s hated in the Atlantic provinces, he’s shown Quebec’s why not to trust him and that their judgment last election was correct(Separatist in English, and sovereignist in French).

Harper majority of Quebec is bilingual you imbecile.

On top of all that the one party I now trust to handle the situation is the Liberal party, not led by Dion (This guy is his own worst enemy) mainly because chief economist Don Drummond(not to mention Frank McKenna is on the board also) of TD who has spent 20+ years in the Dept of Finance is one of the few Canadian economics fessing up to the atrocities that were bad fiscal policy dictated at the hands of Mr. Sweater.

I bet dollars to dough nuts CIBC is advising the conservatives…

A blue sweater and a little kitten doesn’t make you an honest and man of integrity, sweaters and kittens, sweaters and kittens…

Also, any bailout to the auto industry by any of these party better be delivered to Honda and Toyota(or any other auto manufacturer in Canada) as well for actually being responsible and having common sense to see where the industry was going.

#13 nonplused on 12.04.08 at 3:32 pm

Personally I think Layton is a lying creep and Duceppe is a fool. If Harper isn’t the right guy for the job then putting in the 3 political stooges can’t be better. Go to election in March with new leaders for both the Liberals and the Conservatives and let’s get er’ done.

Remember the old adage: “He who governs least governs best”.

This may be the best thing that’s ever happened! Harper can’t do anything until March and we avert having the three stooges printing good money for L: rolling papers, ND: throwing after bad money, and PQ: padding pockets in Quebec.

I personally think this is the end of the Liberals and New Democrats for a generation. The “I hate Harper” crowd is all for it of course but pretty much anyone else I’ve talked to think Layton’s coup borders on criminal. Nobody voted for a coalition. If they want to form one, fine, but now that the voters know the platform let’s put it to a vote!

I’ll tell you what will happen everywhere west of the Ontario/Quebec border: Nobody will vote for a coalition that depends on support from the PQ to survive. Nobody.

And Garth’s opinion that the PQ isn’t part of the government in this coalition just supporting it is pure rhetoric. Take the PQ out of the equation and the Conservatives have a clear majority. Therefore the Liberal – New Democrat coalition cannot form a government without the PQ, not even a minority one, without the full support of the PQ. They are 3 cats tied at the tail.

In any case the coalition will fall apart by March. It’s an impossible solution that cannot stand. These 3 parties have NOTHING in common.

#14 LEAF on 12.04.08 at 3:38 pm

the more things change, the more they stay the same…

#15 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 4:06 pm

This article was snipped out of the Globe and Mail by the MP of Mississauga south and spoken on in the House of Commons today:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081204.wparlfinance04/BNStory/politics/home

“He has taken the Conservatives’ proposals, recalculated the growth of Canada’s economy in 2009 to include their measures and found that instead of the 0.3-per-cent growth for the year assumed by Mr. Flaherty, the Canadian economy would shrink 0.1 per cent.”

The short of it: the Conservatives are not doing or were not planning to do enough to prevent a recession.

#16 dotava on 12.04.08 at 4:21 pm

Garth your posting is not exactly how suppose to be – English is not my first language (my BA is not bought on the internet and I do 99% of the time spell-check) and even for me “it” & “eat” are much different things. We (not born Canada) are assaulted almost as aboriginal people of this country – this must come to the end.

#17 The Tallyman on 12.04.08 at 4:23 pm

Jan 2009 — Coalition to do list.

1. Finish Harper off

2. Form a new government

3. Appoint new Governor General

#18 Calgary 2008 on 12.04.08 at 4:25 pm

Fair enough decision, however extremly tricky. Should Harper fail to convince the masses and the opposition by January 27th (assuming the coalition manages to hold together by then), is going to be as easy for the GG to turn the power over to the coalition, as it was to suspend the parliament. Both constitutional decisions, no argument about that.
This is what the GG can tell Harper: “You’ve had your chance and you failed, now step aside and let the other guys take over”. Not much Harper/Conservatives can argue there.
She’s got herself covered, no matter the outcome(smart move). Well, not the best time to play this kind of games, but then again, we’ve never had these “harperian” times before.

#19 kabloona on 12.04.08 at 4:27 pm

Harpo is the Bert Lahr of Canadian Politics. Now Dorothy has slapped his face and he starts crying like a baby…looks good on Mr Tough Guy.

;-)

By the way, oil is now down around $44 a bbl….does this mean Alberta will be joining Ontario as a “have-not” Province…??? Stelmach must be freaking-out right about now….

Sheesh…..

#20 Tstump on 12.04.08 at 4:46 pm

Garth,
Can you moron proof for us south of the border boys what this all means for real estate in Canada? And of course the price of rice in China.

#21 ForWhomTheTollBuilds on 12.04.08 at 5:24 pm

“The short of it: the Conservatives are not doing or were not planning to do enough to prevent a recession.”

Why should the government try to prevent a recession?

#22 dotava on 12.04.08 at 5:45 pm

#20 Tstump on 12.04.08 at 4:46 pm

That you had respect for your parents most likely you will be better off right now; also you will respect what Garth was saying. He doesn’t have to prove nothing – just read the book (he had courage to say) or at list go back and read the posts from begging of this year. Most of the time morons are seating on other side.

#23 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 5:47 pm

the problem isnt the liberals
its the liberal leader (or his handlers)..i need point no further than the video released yesterday to present the so called *coalitions* response to harpers claim that they are colluding with the separatist..it was silly..made without proper thought and made him look foolish

#24 Soylent Green is People on 12.04.08 at 5:53 pm

Merry Fricken Christmas Everybody

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-kittens-grandmother-made-a-sweater.jpg

#25 Kash is King on 12.04.08 at 5:59 pm

ForWhomTheTollBuilds :

“Why should the government try to prevent a recession?”

Bingo! The natural ebb and flow of things.

#26 Signal Loss on 12.04.08 at 6:07 pm

It may be that federal government inaction on the economy due to suspension of non-routine business could be a positive thing. It will prevent them from panic-spending public treasure when the supposed positive effects of such spending are dubious or unsubstantiated. Not having spent the money, we’ll emerge relatively better on the upswing compared to those polities who spent like crazy to muted real effect (cough USA cough).

#27 Toronto Home Sales Sink on 12.04.08 at 6:09 pm

Globe and Mail: Toronto Home Sales Sink

http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081204.whousing1204/BNStory/Business/home

#28 Sigh on 12.04.08 at 6:12 pm

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber”
– Plato

Sigh :(

#29 Sigh on 12.04.08 at 6:16 pm

Every clique is a refuge for incompetence. It fosters corruption and disloyalty, it begets cowardice, and consequently is a burden upon and a drawback to the progress of the country. Its instincts and actions are those of the pack.

– Madame Chiang Kai-Shek
– Chinese Revolutionary Leader

Sigh :(

#30 smwhite on 12.04.08 at 6:17 pm

#21 ForWhomTheTollBuilds

They shouldn’t, its part of a healthy and sustainable economy, expansion and retraction all the while cleaning the pipes of the bad fluid. This was the problem with following US economic policy after 9/11.

We needed to purge the system, not print money.

A government shouldn’t drive an economy into recession either or nor be ignorant to the fact that there are chinks in the armour of the economy.

If the boat is slowly filling with water, you don’t keep paddling, get a cup, before you need a bucket. Because of this prime minister and his finance minsiters complete arrogance and will to destroy the manufacturing base in Ontario to prove a point to McGuinty, we now need a bucket.

This is about the economy, not about Quebec and separatists, focus people focus.

Isn’t this why the majority of us have been brought to this site, because of our understanding of the propaganda machine that has pumped the economy off the cliff?

#13 nonplused

I think their is a desire for MP’s to help their constituents and not sit by and wait to see what our cousins south of the boarder are doing, the last time we had a government that squeezed the hand of the USA too tight we ended up with a .60 dollar…

Trust me, the smartest out of the four is Duceppe, who also has the most to lose, he was the only one out of to ask sensible questions about tax policy during the election and put Harper to task on his bullshit economic gimmicks.

Canada would have still done well without 40 year mortgages and with out the lack of a GST cut, those are moves for votes, which will have put the country in deficit this time next year.

These stupid moves have jeopardized our financial future. I see something similar to the 80’s recession and the 90’s recession.

The two main parties need to find real leaders to lead this country back. With our vast resources and agriculture we should be able to do very well, after this hiccup in leadership is solved.

All parties have let the people of Canada down…

This is about the economy, not about Quebec and separatists…

#31 dotava on 12.04.08 at 6:19 pm

#23 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 5:47 pm

That problem can remain in our life-time; most of us don’t understand intellectuals – people with vision. Just Google Einstein or Tesla or any World known Sciences. Unfortunately most of them where ridiculed by us. Hopefully we will change attitude and for sake of our future we will educate our kids (and will be nice if we educate ourselves more).

#32 POL-CAN on 12.04.08 at 6:20 pm

#21 FWTTB

Bingo! Recessions are healthy when you take the various bubbles into account. We had a dot com bubble, followed by a housing bubble and a commodity bubble on top of that. A resession is needed to fix the problems these bubbles created. Period. Throwing taxpayers money down a black hole to bail out any business (bank, auto, or otherwise) is a mistake. Let them fail so we can start the growth process again.

If the USA let things fail on their own insted of throwing 8.5 T $$ at it so far, they would probably be on their way to recovery by now. The bail outs are theft from future generations pure and simple.

#33 Calgary NDP on 12.04.08 at 6:39 pm

Harper has violated the Constitution of Canada by not allowing Parliament to function as it should. It is a given that the coalition should have waited for the next election to protect Canada and have a real hearing on what the voters want. However, in Canada, democracy is not by the people for the people. You vote for the party and the parties decide in parliament. Harper got it all wrong. Fortunately, Governer General Jean protected Canada from breaking apart by giving time to fix this. Perhaps in the future the coalition will give voters what they need to bring down this useless conservative government. In any case, the conservatives have little plan to protect big oil interests in Calgary. Watch as the foreclosures mount and layoffs begin, the median for home prices in Calgary will soon be $120K. And that’s as it should be.

#34 Calgary 2008 on 12.04.08 at 6:57 pm

#23 the problem isnt the liberals
its the liberal leader (or his handlers)..i need point no further than the video released yesterday to present the so called *coalitions* response to harpers claim that they are colluding with the separatist..it was silly..made without proper thought and made him look foolish”

Yeah …. the video … made him look foolish. How about canadian households who under Harper’s government got the highest levels of indebtedness ever and lowest savings rates ever? … how does that make them look … the households? Good thing they got that video to laugh at …

#35 905er & Spouse on 12.04.08 at 7:02 pm

Let’s get King bully Harper outta there!

#36 My_view on 12.04.08 at 7:02 pm

Signal Loss

Its going to cost taxpayers another $350,000,000 x 2 = same bull sh** government. But I do agree that government should stay away from spending, keep out of the so called free market. The reek of recession is everywhere. What a stench………

#37 My_view on 12.04.08 at 7:04 pm

Garth,

Run as a independent.

#38 Wealthy Renter on 12.04.08 at 7:08 pm

Toronto Home Sales Sink,

That is by far the most blunt, negative real estate article posted in any mainstream newspaper. The sunny realtor side was not even considered.

#39 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 7:10 pm

dotava

ok having a book titled *hot air* plainly in view and filming the statement with a camera that is worse than the one on my cell phone was an act of brilliance thought out by *intellectuals – people with vision.*

last night could have quiet easily been an historic event in canadian history..instead it was joke gone bad
the result from all of this is a government that has picked up the canadian ball and gone home..brilliant

we expect more from elected people that are supposed to be our leaders and are expected to be role models for our youth..some role models..sad

#40 $fromA$ia on 12.04.08 at 7:18 pm

Gath , if theres another election soon will you run again?

And forsake you? — Garth

Garth, Go for Liberal Leader and kick some arse.

You and layton, I bet could work well together in these times.

Hey, how come nobodies spotted the Conservatives as going for an election when they knew that bad economic news was on the horizon.. Especially when Flaherty (aConservative) is responsible for home Boom Burndown?

#41 Jimster on 12.04.08 at 7:23 pm

After a long secret meeting the doors of democracy are locked! Perhaps it took the GC longer than expected to hear back from our foriegn masters.

What’s wrong with this picture? Nothing unless you cherish democracy.

TIME TO DUMP THE MONARCHY IN CANADA. LET US DECIDE FOR OURSELVES!

#42 Derrin on 12.04.08 at 7:41 pm

Garth, I thought you said you were finished with politics.
Just can’t give it up eh.

Just to add to the conversation. You can only see the truth when you give up your opinion.

The Liberals, Conservatives, NDP and the Bloc have shown us that they don’t give a rat’s bottom about Canada.
Stephane Dion just had his walking papers handed to him by election 2008 and now he thinks he should be running the country.
In Thailand they riot in the streets for such politicking.
Canadians might think about doing the same.

Cheers!

#43 dotava on 12.04.08 at 8:05 pm

#32 POL-CAN on 12.04.08 at 6:20 pm

Sorry Pol – but I don’t understand why we nee “bumpy road” with recessions instead of “smooth” slow growth – for me is just to make a water bit blurry that crooks (like some of our former PM’s) can take advantage.

#44 Derrin on 12.04.08 at 8:06 pm

#29 Sigh

You are quoting a lady that was married to one of the most brutal leaders of the 20th Century.
Her husband was a gangster/soldier and then up the ladder to become a mass killer and then dictator of The Republic of China(Taiwan).

What’s up?

#45 nibbly on 12.04.08 at 8:09 pm

This is hillarious! Here is the video of Dion’s speech to the people from the other night. Look on the top left of the screen. There is a red and white book with a big white title down the spine: ‘Hot Air’
Quite fitting! It’s as if they threw this video together in a couple minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_XIjCA_tno

#46 Mike B on 12.04.08 at 8:10 pm

Seeing as Garth did broach the political topic of the decade I thought I would ask a simple question. Would it not have been better for the coalition partners to have done all their negotiating on the QT…. Should have shown up on monday and did a surprise attack on Harper boy. Any thoughts?

#47 vicguy on 12.04.08 at 8:19 pm

I second Jimster’s motion in spades!!!

#48 de Gaulle shadow on 12.04.08 at 8:19 pm

I wouldn’t describe Harper as a visionary – more a vision unto himself. And it ain’ t one of loveliness…

Obama wants to come in running full tilt. Think I’ll join the First Nations & Bloc and give a *?it about the government of this country.

#49 905er & Spouse on 12.04.08 at 8:21 pm

I can’t help but think of the 5 stages of collapse:

Stages of Collapse

Stage 1: Financial collapse. Faith in “business as usual” is lost. The future is no longer assumed resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out, and access to capital is lost.

Stage 2: Commercial collapse. Faith that “the market shall provide” is lost. Money is devalued and/or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down, and widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.

Stage 3: Political collapse. Faith that “the government will take care of you” is lost. As official attempts to mitigate widespread loss of access to commercial sources of survival necessities fail to make a difference, the political establishment loses legitimacy and relevance.

Stage 4: Social collapse. Faith that “your people will take care of you” is lost, as local social institutions, be they charities or other groups that rush in to fill the power vacuum run out of resources or fail through internal conflict.

Stage 5: Cultural collapse. Faith in the goodness of humanity is lost. People lose their capacity for “kindness, generosity, consideration, affection, honesty, hospitality, compassion, charity” (Turnbull, The Mountain People). Families disband and compete as individuals for scarce resources. The new motto becomes “May you die today so that I die tomorrow” (Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago). There may even be some cannibalism.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/47157

#50 rjag2034 on 12.04.08 at 8:25 pm

So it appears that 50% are against the coaltion and 50% are for it. I wonder if the split can be graphed geographically? I wouldnt be surprised if the graph was overlaid along the votes cast last election that they would be near identical.

Harper poked a big stick in the others eyes and he screwed up. But is that the main reason for this power grab or was it preplanned?

Do you realise that the Bloc raised less than $100k from dobnations for the whole party? About the same as one MP elsewhare. Tells you something doesnt it?

#51 Cara on 12.04.08 at 8:36 pm

++++How about canadian households who under Harper’s government got the highest levels of indebtedness ever and lowest savings rates ever? ++++

I’m sorry, I missed the part where Harper came into Canadians households, held a gun to their head, forced them into debt and talked them out of saving.

Right. This whole thing is Harper’s fault. Grow up a little. The mess we’re in we got into by greed, and we’ll only get out of by time, tightening our belts and living within our means.

Blaming others for choices you made is childish.

#52 dotava on 12.04.08 at 8:36 pm

#39 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 7:10 pm

agree with U to some extend – but do U think that country can be changed overnight? We need all intellectuals (old Canadians or newcomers) if we like to have decent retirement.
More over – game is not over regardless that “bully” temporary pick the ball.
I live in neighbourhood, where old residences still think that Conservative party is old progressive party and another big portion of newcomers who (unfortunately) bought houses recently and fool themselves if hARPER (upside-down man) stay there value of the overpriced cardboard boxes will stay too.
BTW – if you mentioned youth – if I’d really like to have them vote I will open voting places on Universities – than we will really see who have to be PM and accept it regardless how much we like or dislike results (we are the ones who have to teach our kids with full cooperation with there teachers).

#53 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 8:42 pm

Yeah …. the video … made him look foolish. How about canadian households who under Harper’s government got the highest levels of indebtedness ever and lowest savings rates ever? … how does that make them look … the households? Good thing they got that video to laugh at
this credit bubble began a decade ago and every country in the world is in the same shape as canada this is not a time to point fingers

down south in the country that people love to hate
there leaders are working in unison because they understand the magnitude of the current and future situation

i know that we have fun with squirrel talk here but this problem is bigger no much much bigger than most people realize
we are going to see events that were once deemed impossible
the north american car companies will go broke if not now then shortly..so get used to losing 250,000 jobs in ontario
and that will just be the beggining
no part of canada will be immune

canada needs its leaders to be at work working for canadians..not vacationing

some of you might remember when i said that even the garbage bin diver will have is day..
what i was implying was
that the more you have the more you will hurt
and if you have nothing you wont lose anything

to the blog author..i know that i have simplified the problems in ottawa and i know that there is much more involved then i can ever know (you know)
but to canadians there disagreements look like a kindergarten spat

#54 MickeyHickey on 12.04.08 at 8:43 pm

Once again Canada demonstrates that politically it is centrist and socially seeks consensus. Deviations right or left and the demonizing of individuals are aberrations that are abhorred. Bring on the coalition.

#55 peter on 12.04.08 at 8:45 pm

Coalition urgent to-do list:

– Establish a common goal (revenge): Check
– Establish a solution to the financial crisis: TBD!
– Pick a credible leader: Uh…well…er!
– Establish credibilty on national TV: er, um…well!
– Create impression of solitarity – control dissent: uh…!

Coalition long term to-do list:

– keep it together until Jan: chances – 50%
– control infighting: chances – 40%
– convince the nation that Dion should represent Canada: chances – 25%

#56 dotava on 12.04.08 at 8:47 pm

Garth – BTW

Since parliament is closed by minority wish – do they still get paid?!?
For me is the same if I quit my job and I will not be paid by EI regardless that I paid Hefty EI and fill the quota much early in the year?

If you think that’s all an MP does, talk to one. — Garth

#57 dotava on 12.04.08 at 8:51 pm

#42 Derrin on 12.04.08 at 7:41 pm

Even that I don’t like Mr. Dion much and don’t see him as Canadian PM for long time – but I am 100% sure that he will do much better job (what is unfortunately not hard to do) that present one.

#58 kc on 12.04.08 at 8:53 pm

# 49…… looks like you are getting your squirrels into the freezer as we type this…. nice post, and I guess we have 3 out of 5…… those last 2 will be next year….

Garth I hope the squirrels out here on the west coast arn’t as armed as the one in the post a couple days back…

cheers

#59 dotava on 12.04.08 at 8:56 pm

#51 Cara on 12.04.08 at 8:36 pm

U sound to me as next 1 to cry.

#60 Jonathan on 12.04.08 at 8:57 pm

It seems to me that the biggest difference between the other four parties and Harper is their perspective on the environment. I was the Director of Communications in one of the Toronto Conservative ridings a few years ago and I left because they had no environmental initiative within the high ranks of the party. I explained this to other members who were around the same age (25 at the time) and they felt the same way. I think for that reason the Conservatives have a future, but today, they are acting like prehistoric beasts. You can’t treat our country like a dump. It’s time government worked together, whatever side of the aisle you sit on, to move us forward. This is bigger than just the current Prime Minister or the MP of the day. Harper isn’t cooperating, and for that reason the Conservatives are just letting us down.

I have sinced moved to Garth’s riding in Milton. He is an excellent politician in two ways. He isn’t partisan, and he speaks his mind. He is an independent thinker. For years he has written blurbs in the local newspaper. I’ll admit, some people think he is too loud. But being loud in a democratic society is good. It means he wants change. Politicians are meant to be heard and they should want change. Otherwise they serve no purpose.

After reading his book I really wanted to vote for Garth, but I felt my vote needed to make a ‘green’ statement and so I voted for Elizabeth May. However, I fully expected Greens to work closely with the Liberals and NDP in forming green initiatives. For this reason, I find that their is a very democratic element to the coalition.

It seems to me that 70% of Canadians want something more progressive in terms of advancing society to a higher level. Instead 30% got to decide that this country should be western, that economics was the only thing that mattered, that we all will unconditionally support big polluters, and to cap it off let’s cut their taxes on record breaking profits. Now how does that benefit Canadians?

#61 Iain on 12.04.08 at 9:01 pm

Someone should tell the Liberals, NDP and Bloc that traditionally in Canada, governments win power by winning the most votes. Canadians don’t support this coup d’etat.

#62 ted on 12.04.08 at 9:02 pm

MickeyHickey
“Once again Canada demonstrates that politically it is centrist and socially seeks consensus. Deviations right or left and the demonizing of individuals are aberrations that are abhorred. Bring on the coalition.

More like once again Canada demonstrates it is politically to the far left and any movements to the centre will bring about a coup. I just love how leftist’s have no tolerance for democracy or fairness they will sacrifice any principle to get power. I say bring the coup on and let them take the blame for what economic turmoil will follow. Canadians deserve the government they will get.

#63 dotava on 12.04.08 at 9:02 pm

#53 squidly77 on 12.04.08 at 8:42 pm

I seen many people around the glob who doesn’t know how to express themselves – but also there were many of them who express themselves “nicely” without knowing what they are doing (until someone tell them what to do).
Take a pick. :-)

#64 Cassandra on 12.04.08 at 9:07 pm

Hi 905er (and Spouse)

I am further from the GTA than you, but I recognize the reference…its from Dmitry Orlov, who survived the financial and political collapse of the Soviet Union. He wrote a rather amusing tale of how the former USSR and the West (America) would handle affairs as they both broke apart…his conclusion was that the USSR was better prepared for economic collapse than the Americas were (or are). His rather caustic conclusions on what we should be doing as the Western World slides into Global Depression are in some respects quite amusing (in a schadenfreude sort of way). I hope you (and others) enjoy it:

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259

About the Prorogue of Parliament: regardless of your political position, this is the best thing that could have happened to Canada. I know that seems counterintuitive, but bear with me. As Orlov reminds us in Stage 3 of the theory of Collapse (Political Failure), governments become less and less capable of handling the multiple crises that a Global Depression throws at them. Had Harper survived (or a Coalition replaced him) there would have been steadily increasing pressure to “do something” about the gradually worsening economy. A bank bailout. Money for the Ontario Auto Companies, or BC Forest sector. A Stimulus Package. And so on and so on. We would be under great pressure to spend ever increasing sums of money we don’t have, trying to solve problems that are largely Global in nature (ie, outside our control).

Essentially, we’d be adopting an “American” approach to a Global crisis…throw money at the problem, and hope it will go away. That is no longer possible in our current deleveraging, unfortunately; I leave it to those brave souls at the Automatic Earth and Market Ticker, they explain it much better than I can. The Americans, as Pol-Can has aptly pointed out, have promised about $8.5 Trillion Dollars in their various “stimulus packages” since last year. Have they worked? Of course not, as the problem is Global, and cannot be solved by borrowed money. I posted a detailed accounting of the various bailouts here a few days ago, it is here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/26/MNVN14C8QR.DTL&o=0

On a per-capita level, if we were to adopt the “American Stimulus Plan” (be it by the Coalition or the Conservatives) we could allocate here in Canada up to 800 billion dollars, and it wouldn’t make any more difference than the 8 Trillion has made in the USA…unless you want to argue that Canada is somehow “special” or immune from the financial crisis in a way the USA is not (good luck with that). Given that the various Canadian political parties have not even imagined so large a bailout, i think it fair to say their current “stimulus plans” are roughly equivalent to pouring a thimble of water on a raging inferno. So not having a government in office is actually a good thing…they cannot leave the hot water tap running down the drain, as it were.

I expect things will continue to deteriorate (slowly) until Mr. Obama takes office in January. Then we’ll see what he has in mind (whatever your politics, its pointless to build a sundeck in your back yard when your neighbour might build a skyscraper next door). I expect he will want to announce some grand “Rebuilding the American Economy” scheme…but will find out the cupboard is bare. It had been emptied a long ime ago. What then? Who can say. I don’t think it will be pretty. Become as self-sufficient as you can, get out of debt, avoid crippling real estate mortgages…while you still can. Tomorrow may be too late. Squirrels, anyone?

Cassandra

#65 dotava on 12.04.08 at 9:11 pm

If you think that’s all an MP does, talk to one. — Garth

Sorry Garth to disappoint you but my doesn’t – Pier is just adolescent send here (in conservative stronghold) to have a save spot and learn from “the lie master”. Don’t get me wrong I know that most of MP’s are hard working people and that is what bugging me most – why always few bad apples spoil the basket.

#66 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 9:11 pm

“Why should the government try to prevent a recession?”
———————————————-
to avoid depression. But it’s too late, the snow ball’s rolling, and nothing’s gonna stop it.

#67 Rasputin on 12.04.08 at 9:32 pm

SMwhite #12 …FYI Harper is an economist. And you think he knows nothing about economics? What are you? For that matter what is Dion? A career politician. NEXT! Layton, a career communist. NEXT! Duceppe, a career separatist politician. NEXT! Who do you really trust to steer the boat?

#68 Derrin on 12.04.08 at 9:33 pm

#57 dotava

Hey, it’s all about you. You are a good Canadian.

#69 Rasputin on 12.04.08 at 9:45 pm

RE the coalition…The law was put in place and it serves a valuable purpose. If an elected goverment does something stupid like pick a war with the US for example, they can and should be turfed. Short of that it’s completely uncalled for to ignore the wishes of the voters. If the Libs and the NDP could to do it alone, it would make me sick but in the end it would be legal because the rules are in place to allow it. HOWEVER the fact that the Bloc is involved changes everything. To say they are not part of the coalition after the 3 of them stood up at a press conference shaking hands, that’s just BS. Duceppe signed an agreement for their party to vote with the coalition for 18 months, not just a throne speech and budget. That’s a load of bull. So what was the Bloc promised??? Are they going to do this out of the kindness in their hearts? Or maybet hey just now are feeling the heart string tug of patriotism. Again I call BS!

#70 CalgaryRocks on 12.04.08 at 10:01 pm

Deviations right or left and the demonizing of individuals are aberrations that are abhorred. Bring on the coalition.i>

Oh please, the right gets demonized all the time. Imagine that, Harper is arrogant and doesn’t play nice with the NDP. Shameful. Whatever.

Can you take the politics crap to garth’s other site? This site is for trading squirrel recipes.

#71 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 10:17 pm

The plunge-o-meter (a good summary of real estate prices in major cities, peak to October/08)

http://www.canadian-housing-price-charts.235.ca/

#72 POL-CAN on 12.04.08 at 10:22 pm

#43 dotava

I never said that booms and busts are what we need.
I said that we had 3 bubbles since the last real recession and that the correction is required.

In a perfect world we would have slow and steady growth but that would not be very profitable now would it :)

This ride started when Nixon took the US $ off of the gold standard in the 70s. At that point money could be printed at will and devalued due to the printing/inflation. Debt and deficit became fashionable. Did anyone think that it could last forever? No fiat currency has ever survived.

Exponential growth is a bitch and recessions are needed for the system to correct.

#73 Stoneleigh on 12.04.08 at 10:50 pm

It’s harder to participate here than it used to be, as the site blocks my computer and I therefore have to type out comments on my BlackBerry.

The opposition should stop trying so hard to drink from the poisoned chalice that they avoided at the election. Whoever is in power will get the Herbert Hoover treatment and go down in history as an abject failure. History is not kind to those who preside over hard times.

#74 POL-CAN on 12.04.08 at 10:50 pm

#64 Cassandra

Nice post. Well said.

I belive that there is nothing Obama, or Harper, or Putin, or Brown, or papa smurf can do.

This thing is going to spiral out of control for a while yet. If anything the problems are getting bigger and occuring faster with each passing month. At some point all the levaraged debt will be wiped out and then if anything is still left standing we will begin to rebuild.

At that point I hope a leader or two will emerge. It will have to be someone new, not connected to the current power structures, someone with morals, and lots of carisma. The new leader(s) should outlaw central banks and fractional reserve lending making sure we will never have a debt driven bubble orgy again.

#75 BC Resident on 12.04.08 at 10:50 pm

“”This scary separatist talk is to create a straw man for the Conservatives to punch. — Garth””

Dohhhh!

Dion had nothing to lose, neither does that NDP puppet…THERE CAN BE NOTHING LOWER THAN GETTING IN BED WITH THE BQ.

Western Canada may surprise you all, simply say, “Adios” to the rest of Canada. We’ll send you a postcard.

Garth, looks like you will sleep with anybody, but westerners aren’t as dumb as Ontarians.

just my two cents

Just what we need, more separatists. — Garth

#76 Raincouver on 12.04.08 at 10:54 pm

Mike B #46
“Would it not have been better for the coalition partners to have done all their negotiating on the QT…. Should have shown up on monday and did a surprise attack on Harper boy. Any thoughts?”

Don Newman was talking to one of the constitutional lawyers and he thought the coalition put their cards on the table too soon. They didn’t need to spell out their plans so early.

I think the end result would have still be the same – another election.

#77 Sylvia in Vancouver on 12.04.08 at 11:13 pm

“That petition is bogus, since the BQ is not part of the Coalition government.”

Well said, Garth. Don’t be fooled by the online petitions and websites cropping up — there’s no way a “grassroots” opposition to the Tories and/or coalition would have been organized so quickly. Party staffs are behind them, and promoting them basically makes you a word-of-mouth political shill.

For the record:
I am not for the coalition.
I am not for the “economic update” proposed by the Tories — with or without the political party funding
I am not for having another election.
I am not for proroguing Parliament.

Simply put, I want elected officials TO DO THEIR JOBS.

There’s only one thing that will avoid a coalition and/or another costly election: Stephen Harper has to resign the leadership of the Conservative Party.

That would appease the warring opposition parties, and a budget might just actually pass allowing for the economic stimulus the country needs. The Liberals will replace their leader anyway in May. And you can bet Jack Layton won’t survive this.

We need new political leadership. Each and every party needs to recognize this NOW.

It’s time for the knives to come out now.

#78 JO on 12.04.08 at 11:13 pm

This urge to “do something” will result in a horrendous increase in our national debt and low probability of success. The problem is too much debt and inflated asset prices. The cure will not be more debt and higher assets. These stimulus plans might with some luck result in a slight increase in growth for a few months but beware, they will simply delay the inevitable and result in much more pain than necessary. There is little that can be done until enough credit has been paid down or defaulted on with a resulting decline in most asset prices – especially housing. The government is hoping the “stimulus” can buy some time so an expected recovery can happen and take us out of this mess. That is a huge gamble. It will likely fail considering the level of debt out there. We are at record extremes in most countries (debt to GDP / debt to income). Until our politicians understand this, the proposed solutions will fail. This process may take 2 more years or 10. I am guessing we will be in deflation for at least 18-24 more months.

The PCs may not realize it, but the best thing they could have done is to get kicked out of office. The downturn in the real economy is only in its first or second inning. By allowing these left wingers to come in now with heightened expectations of stimulus and doing something about the economy, the stage would be set for enormous public disdain for the coalition of lefties 18-24 months out when things will get real bad. The public mood will be negative and look to blame whoever is in office at that time. By stalling, the PCs allow more time for things to get bad and to be blamed. The only thing the government should be doing is helping all unemployed people get through this by extending EI and enhancing re-training for new careers and skill upgrading. Add in some modest / high priority infrastructure spending and beyond that, allow things to clear out and take their course. Cutting taxes might be helpful but again, this is a deflationary issue – it will not be solved until enough debt has been destroyed and asset prices have come down. We are going to go through a very deep recession now because a modest one was avoided in 2000-2003. If we want to prevent deep recessions/depressions once or twice every century, lets make true fundamental reform – abolish the Fed, eliminate fractional reserve banking, manage the dollar in a range to the value of a commodity such as gold or a basket of commodities, and implement better oversight on lending with lower leverage levels.
JO

#79 Derrin on 12.04.08 at 11:13 pm

#74 BC resident

Please change your online tag to something else.
I am a BC resident.

This West vs East competition ……………. Let’s just keep it to the “All Star game(NHL)”.

Cheers,

#80 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 11:13 pm

Votes:

Cons 5,208,796
Libs 3,633,185
NDP 2,515,561
Bloc 1,379,991
Green 937,613

Coalition: 8,466,350

#81 peter on 12.04.08 at 11:14 pm

“Rasputin on 12.04.08 at 9:32 pm SMwhite #12 …FYI Harper is an economist. And you think he knows nothing about economics? What are you? For that matter what is Dion? A career politician. NEXT! Layton, a career communist. NEXT! Duceppe, a career separatist politician. NEXT! Who do you really trust to steer the boat?”

Wow you really are clueless to reality and a product of CONservative media propaganda who convince you to believe lies as truth. Harper is a CONman who can not and will not be trusted. I would take Layton,Dion, and Duceppe. The funnest thing is that Harper is the BIGGEST COMMUNIST in Canada. Who else would give $75 B I L L I O N taxpayer dollar to the banks for risky mortgages? A CONservative is a COMMUNIST. Get out of Canada you CONservative COMMUNIST!

#82 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 11:22 pm

I don’t see what is so wrong with the bloc. Imagine an English province in a French dominated country. Would you, as an english person, vote for a party that said it was going to look out for you? DAMN RIGHT! Just because ‘separating’ is on their agenda doesn’t mean that’s why people vote for them. Did you know the Green party wants to legalize weed? Well I bet you people voted Green that don’t believe in that little gold nugget!

#83 My_view on 12.04.08 at 11:30 pm

Garth,

Can the cons still spend like drunken sailors?

#84 Toronto Bear on 12.04.08 at 11:40 pm

Benjamin Tal is a complete tool. How many times does that guy have to revise his forecast? These are our so-called economic experts!!! How pathetic!

#85 kc on 12.04.08 at 11:41 pm

Global news tonight (TV) was showing a Van Condo that was showing the power off, as the realtor showed the news gal the apt. he was saying that last year the owner (presumed male) purchased the place for $700K. today the price had dropped to $499K. The owner couldn’t sell the place so he walked away from it. Fully furnished – just up and left it all.

They news segued into the fast rising foreclosures that are hitting hard in the lowermainland. They were talking to a finance lawyer and he was saying that with the way the layoffs and the OVER-EXTENDED are being hit hard on the 40Y Zero downs, foreclosures are 150% increase YOY. and he was saying this is just the tip of the ice burg when you factor in how many people are in deep water.

nope… no sub-prime here

cheers…

PS i was trying to find the show on their web site, if any one can find the news reel feel free to link to it here in vancouver.

#86 dotava on 12.04.08 at 11:47 pm

#72 POL-CAN on 12.04.08 at 10:22 pm

But we missed that boat in 2000/2001 and we are now in almost 2009 – we can’t go back (time wisely as we will by value) – what we can do – say NO to RIP-OFF. So simple but when someone as Garth says something – they accuse him and after few months they came back and say sorry Garth – “you where right … bla,bla,bla) or even some as “Vulture” (I just can’t stand selfish, self-serving “squirrel” – apologize to animal kind) his stupid comments and attacks – but time pass by and we are closer and closer to the edge of the cliff. Do we still like to debate or is the time to make good plans how to get over this and finally understand that humans was able to kill mammoth together – divided get eaten by hyenas.

#87 Wealthy Renter on 12.04.08 at 11:48 pm

Rasputin, I can’t your comments go. You are making them up off the top of your head.

Harper is the career politician dating back to the early 1980s. He is trained as an economist, but he has virtually no experience in the private sector. He is an academic, policy wonk and career politician. He is not an economist.

Dion, for is many faults as a leader, only came into politics in the mid 1990s. He is infinitely more worldly than Harper, having spent years living in France and America.
He is NOT a professional politician. At the very least, Dion would not have gotten us into the Iraq war like the Harper-Day sideshow would have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8YwJC_nBgw&feature=related

Harper is neo-con whackjob. Please, let the real PC party come back to Canada.

#88 dotava on 12.04.08 at 11:49 pm

#73 Stoneleigh on 12.04.08 at 10:50 pm

Go buy new computer, help economy and at list you shouldn’t have a problem for a next 6 months.

#89 dotava on 12.04.08 at 11:59 pm

#80 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 11:13 pm

U R THE MAN.

#90 dotava on 12.05.08 at 12:03 am

#81 peter on 12.04.08 at 11:14 pm

Peter – don’t worry – you can be economist too and if you are more than 46 (willing to suck) you can be even PM. ;-)

#91 dotava on 12.05.08 at 12:04 am

#82 Bottoms_Up on 12.04.08 at 11:22 pm

U hit the nail in the head. TNX :-)

#92 dotava on 12.05.08 at 12:05 am

#83 My_view on 12.04.08 at 11:30 pm

They can – but piggy-bank is empty. :-(

#93 dotava on 12.05.08 at 12:13 am

#87 Wealthy Renter on 12.04.08 at 11:48 pm

Way to go. Real professionals are not trained in few weeks; behind real knowledge is lot of reading/learning, broad view and experience in any occupation.

#94 Rasputin on 12.05.08 at 12:24 am

Peter…look up the definition of communist. It’s not that hard. You might try wikpedia. Then go back to cleaning the snake cages at Petsmart.

Wealthy Renter if you are a policy wonk and an academic, that’s called gainfull employment when you are an economist. Not everyone is cut out to be a bank economist who makes piles of money to be absolutely, completely and utterley wrong. Always and forever.

Several people here have a clue (Nonplussed, Cara and Signal Loss among them ) but most are sheeple and have no idea who the wolves really are. All I can say is watch out what you ask for, you just might get it.

#95 Rasputin on 12.05.08 at 12:32 am

Wealthy Renter , Canada is in Iraq???? When did that happen???? I know I’m not as wordly as you but I seem to recall Canada being in Afganistan. I also seem to recall it was Jean Cretien who sent the troops there. Maybe you, with your vast, worldly wisdom, can enlighten the rest of us unwashed masses.

#96 The First Rick on 12.05.08 at 1:27 am

#75 BC Resident on 12.04.08 at 10:50 pm
Western Canada may surprise you all, simply say, “Adios” to the rest of Canada. We’ll send you a postcard.
==========
Speak for yourself.

#97 Toronto Market Watcher on 12.05.08 at 1:54 am

#84 Toronto Bear

Calling Benjamin Tal a “tool” is a compliment to him in my opinion.

His so called forecasts on the state of the housing market are a complete joke. If you google him, you’ll find that he is a frequent speaker at the many CREA and provincial real estate board conferences. Do you think for a minute he would be invited to speak at these industry conferences if he did not have a proclivity to spinning a positive outlook of the Canadian real estate market?

Don’t forget for a second that his regular paycheque just happens to have a CIBC logo on it … and last time I checked that financial institution just happened to hold one of the largest residential and commercial mortgage portfolios in this country.

Unfortunately, for “economists” or should I say bank pubilc relations folks like Benjamin Tal, in the modern age of the internet, his track record of absolutely ridiculous totally off the market forecasts are easily fully exposed for all of us to monitor.

Any Canadian who listens and relies on his rhetoric and pontifications is well on their way to being a “greater fool”.

#98 charliegosurf on 12.05.08 at 2:36 am

http://misseye.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/stephen-harper.jpg

#99 Future Expatriate on 12.05.08 at 3:14 am

Garth for Prime Minister… now there’s an idea whose time has come.

Yes Harper pulled a fast one, but nothing like George Bush, folks. At least you HAVE a system to remove a Prime Minster when he’s outnumbered.

Impeachment in the US is a joke.

Maybe for all the Harper supporters out there he’ll actually get his act together and save his rear.

#100 nonplused on 12.05.08 at 3:40 am

To To a couple people who commented on my post:

I am not opposed to a coalition government if it is the will of the people. But we don’t know, as all of the members of the proposed coalition ran on the premise their would be no coalition.

Canada has a long history of functioning very well for about 2 years with a minority government. Personally I think it’s the best thing. A minority government can’t rule dictator style ala’ Trudeau.

But they need a mandate from the people to lead.

So far nobody has done anything unconstitutional, although I think Layton has broken the spirit of the constitution. His party had a very underwhelming performance and he wants to ignore that and become minister of finance (the financial stooge). No, with less vote than the block you should be cooperating with the government, not trying to form it.

But anyway, we should put it to a vote! If all the same clowns get in, I guess the coalition is approved! But not without a vote, since these jokers sprung it on us after saying they wouldn’t.

The Governor General would be right to put this back to the people and that is her job!

Goodbye Jack!

#101 Brian on 12.05.08 at 4:35 am

Garth: given your staunch defense of the coalition and how the Bloq wasn’t “really” a part of it, maybe you can try defending this one:

In a Parliament of 308 MPs, a Prime Minister needs 155 to govern with a majority. Stephen Harper came pretty close with 143, up 19 from the last election. The Liberals and NDP combined have just 114 MPs combined, down 18 from the last election. So it is mathematically impossible for the Liberals to be installed as the government without the Bloc Quebecois’ explicit help.

Now to the good part. In section 3 of the Coalition Accord, it says “Furthermore, upon its formation, the government will put in place a permanent consultation mechanism with the Bloc Québécois.”

Consultation mechanism? We already have one. Its called parliament. But Parliament is a little too public for this coalition – you know, with nosy Canadians watching how deals are made. This consultation mechanism will be private – a way for the separatists to make their demands in secret, and for Prime Minister Stephane Dion to meet those demands in secret.

Waiting for an answer from you Garth.

#102 islander on 12.05.08 at 7:20 am

MickeyHickey writes: “Once again Canada demonstrates that politically it is centrist and socially seeks consensus. Deviations right or left and the demonizing of individuals are aberrations that are abhorred. Bring on the coalition.”

What a pantload.

Which “Canadians” are you referring to? The Bolshevik coup-plotters or your circle of acquaintances? The recent federal election awarded a plurality of seats to the Conservative government. Today’s poll shows an overwhelming majority in favor of the GG’s decision.

Why is it that “not stealing from taxpayers to give to people who didn’t earn it” is right-wing dogma? From where I sit, there’s nothing more radical than expecting me to go to work every day so that the government can use 50 cents of every dollar I earn and use it to fund its pet projects.

I understand the same Westminster mumbo-jumbo that David’s lecturing us on. I also recognize the real world. And in the real world, we just spent $300M and elected a Conservative government.

By the end of January, the coalition will have collapsed on itself, like a gaseous star in a far-away galaxy. If we’re lucky, Dion will be gone. Harper will be gone. And we’ll go to the polls to choose from fresh alternatives.

#103 smwhite on 12.05.08 at 11:17 am

#67 Rasputin, you like labels? How about Harper being a fascist dictator, are trying his very best under the constraints of the Canadian constitution.

And thanks for bringing up Harper being an economist, the American brokerage houses and banks are(sorry, WERE) filled with similar geniuses.

You think he’s done a bang up job running this ship, sorry, this ship has been on auto-pilot since 1997, even Dion could have stirred this ship and from what I see and he needs help from his staffers to tie his shoes…

Go back and read some of my posts from March till the summer, I’m an analyst by trade, so no Pet Smart for me.

Harper suggested “buying opportunities” the first of October, we’ve since lost another 20% – 25% in the TSX, not bad, down 10% a month. Finally under 8K today!

And the unemployment numbers are out today, and they’re fat and juicy and only going to get worse, all under Harper’s watchful eye. So keep the lame duck arguments coming for your lame duck golden boy. We need a whipping boy around here. So pull your head out of your ass Rasputin before you fall into your own black hole.

Harper did a great job uniting the western alliance with the eastern progressives, kodos, now let somebody that can unit the country take the lead instead of trying to divide it.

#104 Panic Profit on 12.05.08 at 2:13 pm

This goes to show ALL political parties have completely LOST TOUCH with Canadians – and really don’t have the interests of Canadians at heart.

Ask yourself – are any of the recent political events good for Canadians?

This is a political infighting that will hurt everyone – cost people jobs, erode savings, etc… at the time they are most crucial.

Further confirms that politicians are incompetent scumbags.

#105 Rob5 on 12.05.08 at 4:50 pm

Please folks…this will all blow over in January with the budget.

There are already signs that both sides know just how explosive the issue has become and are backing off — they’re just trying to figure out how to save face.

Encouraging to see just how excitable the voting public can still get but sad to see that half the country wants a republic [and like that other republic, hint the country immediately south of us, can be so easily hoodwinked by right wing propaganda] while the other is recognizes it’s parliamentary roots — we’ll never see Dion as PM, don’t worry.

#106 Brian on 12.05.08 at 8:19 pm

An interesting economic argument on why Harper’s lack of stimulus and suspension of parliament is actually a good thing for the economy:

http://truthortalk.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/harperisright/

#107 dekethegeek on 12.05.08 at 9:35 pm

#49 – 905er & Spouse;
…and there may even be cannibalism”
Hmmmmm could your spouse be Soylent Green are People?
Cannibalism? No no no. Think again my waistline challenged friend.
1st: the supermarkets empty
2nd: corner stores sacked
3rd: gardens, homes etc. broken into and cleaned out.
4th : Rover and Kitty dissappear?
5th : Raccoon pie recipies abound in the inner city.
6th: Those overfed Canada Geese in the park…Gone!
7th: Skunk souffle, c’est magnifique !
8th: Squirrel bbq or stew ( take yer pick)
9th : Rat-a toulle
10th: CHUD ( Canniballistic Human Under Dwellers ) rule the night!!!!!!!!!!
11th: The lights go out !
aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#108 Glenn on 12.06.08 at 4:58 am

Granted, I am a lowly greedy bullying arrogant smug and oh so haughty American (all traits no Canadians have, of course) but this is just about the fate I figured Harper would end up in. Its bad enough we have Bush, lesser son of a lesser sire…but Harper? C’mon! Second fiddle to a guy that makes Pol Pot look like a choir boy? Maybe those two can run off to South America together with the rest of the Nazi escapees.

#109 come on... on 12.06.08 at 12:01 pm

this is absolutely INSANE. regardless of what you think of harper, the liberals and ndp are COMPLETE retards. i can’t believe they would screw with the stability of an already weak political situation at a time like this. i think the majority of people don’t understand even if harper is knocked out of government its going to take millions of dollars and hundreds of policy development hours to re-issue mandates to all levels of the government. sadly, we have the most pathetic democratic system in the WORLD. we would be better off with a socialist system much like the swiss and scandinavians have adopted at this rate.