Play nice

This blog tries to be a lenient place. Visitors need not register their names. There’s no paywall, no firewall, no walls at all. Comments are anonymous, with no immediate consequence for saying something moronic, hurtful or obscene.

The comments are moderated, not filtered. There’s no Millennial-created smarty algo to weed out inappropriate material after hitting a trigger word or phrase. If the dude running this place (that would be me) misses a bad post or fails to follow a hidden link to a porn or white power site, well, it gets published – at least for a while.

Rogue comments are usually deleted and marked that way. Sometimes they’re just trashed, which means they didn’t merit the effort of typing ‘DELETED.’ In all, over 95% of all comments are published, sometimes lightly edited to remove those needless and juvenile F-bombs (how did this ever get into everyday speech?).

Lately this blog has been accused of censorship. I see a common definition is this: “The suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.” The latest victim of suppression was a self-described kid who came here to troll, disturb, incite and objectify others. Most comments were allowed, a few which went too far were deleted . Then s/he was warned, banned once for a short time, reoffended, and was banned again.

This small post is not about that person, who doesn’t deserve the recognition so craved. It’s rather to remind you that this site only works when it’s respected by the community of pathetic, addicted, addled users who come here. There has to be some kind of functioning honour system in place – a code of sorts which will keep an open forum from degenerating into racism, sexism, ageism or simply scraping the bottom rungs of the lowest common denominator.

Lately Trump, populism and the legitimizing of anti-immigration, jingoism and tribalism have hurt society in general. We are way less tolerant than in the past, even as social mores become more liberal daily. It’s led to a polarization we’re now seeing in politics, mirrored in an open blog like this.

The only message I have is respect. Disagree all you want, but don’t attack. Never ascribe motives simply because someone who disagrees is female, brown, gay, white or old.

I don’t want to be a cop. But, if required, I will be a bad ass one. Play nice.

233 comments ↓

#1 the Jaguar on 10.12.17 at 8:22 am

• Respectful, wide-ranging discussion on the topic of the posting is encouraged, and will not be censored.

It’s always been there for all blog dogs to read and obey.
Amen to that.

#2 DO N M on 10.12.17 at 8:27 am

With all due respect Garth, the post was a little late and kind of messed up my morning routine. Just saying

#3 TnT on 10.12.17 at 8:30 am

It’s always fun and games till someone loses an eye.

Thanks for the Blog Garth

#4 Rational Optimist on 10.12.17 at 8:31 am

I was actually a bit worried when I woke up early this morning, and saw no post. That’s how regular this blog is- we appreciate it.

It’s something like 25% of the comments here that are useful, thoughtful, or amusing. I don’t consider that too bad. I don’t like even having to skim through some of the dregs that do appear here, so I’m grateful that you exercise a bit of censorship to eliminate the really tedious stuff.

#5 omar on 10.12.17 at 8:34 am

1st

#6 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.12.17 at 8:34 am

ok.

#7 suburban coyote and pup on 10.12.17 at 8:37 am

We hear you Garth…lets elevate the conversation dogs.None of my business but I am curious: what happened to last nights post? It was good!

Onf52

#8 Keith in Rio on 10.12.17 at 8:49 am

Reidbuilt Homes in Alberta is stopping work on 80 houses in the area and putting it’s Calgary operation up for sale. Last year Walton Homes went under after losing $67MM. This us the tip if the iceberg and I imagine most of it deliberately goes unreported by the FIRE industries compliant band of presstitutes.

#9 IM in C on 10.12.17 at 8:53 am

who or what is –Urbanation ?

#10 The Technical Analyst, CSTA, CPD on 10.12.17 at 8:56 am

I see what you are attempted to do Garth and I appreciate it.

It is a fine line to have an open blog and not have it descend into chaos.

While some of the comments here are useful, many are not and highlight what you said above. In fact, while these comments where not directed at me, it is those 75% of comments that I stopped commenting; and to be fair, some of those comments where from you as well.

I respect it is your blog, I just don’t comment as much anymore as it’s changed.

But that is the internet today where people can be anonymous and be brutal behind the sanctuary of their monitor.

#11 Lee on 10.12.17 at 9:01 am

Urbanation says condos in Toronto are being rented like hotcakes even though rents are going way up. Must be good times for condo owners in Toronto. What crash? See story in NP.

#12 Johnny Boy on 10.12.17 at 9:05 am

I have two words that accurately describe 99% of your above statement Garth. “Smoking Man”
While I come here for tidbits of wisdom for my investment portfolio it can be outright hilarious with above mentioned and at the same time super sad to see a human being spiral into insanity. He needs help.

#13 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:06 am

I do apologize if my late night bourbon inspired rants cause some greef. Rehab Nov 1st. Be off line for a month then I should be a ok.

#14 Kam on 10.12.17 at 9:24 am

Garth, I greatly appreciate all the hard work and effort you put into this amazing blog. Please keep it up!

I have been a reader since the inception of the blog and continue to recommend it. From your great articles (which you provide for free), I have learned a great deal about investing, the importance of diversification and the markets.

Hopefully, comment posters can provide constructive criticism instead of hate. Life is too short to complain all the time – it’s a beautiful world.

#15 Polozified on 10.12.17 at 9:29 am

Oh SCM, you could have been a lovable gadfly had you only taken your posts a bit less seriously.

Lighten up folks, it’s the internet.

#16 You Didn't Build That on 10.12.17 at 9:31 am

“… populism and the legitimizing of anti-immigration, jingoism and tribalism have hurt society in general.”

Agreed – and nice to see someone calling folks out for this, and it goes beyond message boards.

Maybe it’s me, but more and more I find people openly espousing the kinds of nasty ideas that people used to only say behind closed doors or a wall of anonymity online. Read: Thanksgiving got ugly.

It makes me feel like a Kellie Leitch-esque “Revenge of the Comments Section” moment is occurring. Gross.

#17 isuckless on 10.12.17 at 9:33 am

Your blog – your rules.
No one other than you has any say what can be published (or not).

#18 Peter F on 10.12.17 at 9:36 am

Oh dear God, Garth Turner concerned about ageism, or the other ‘isms for that matter … too funny. This blog has been so not politically correct in this regard. This is why I really enjoy reading it. It’s so refreshing to read stream of conscious writing which has few controls on it.

#19 GOL in Edmonton on 10.12.17 at 9:43 am

This is my 1st time writing a comment on your blog, I have been an avid reader for a couple of years and look forward to your articles daily. Is “play nice” a direct consequence to the article published the prior day on the lady with the decision to purchase a 4 million dollar house? if so, that is unfortunate

#20 easyover on 10.12.17 at 9:45 am

i must have missed something that went down here but as a global theme, PC is the new norm. never call a spade a spade for risk of offending a spade. everyone is identical and should be treated as such. although we come in different shapes and sizes, we are all circles with four corners to ensure none is offended.

#21 Greg on 10.12.17 at 9:52 am

Garth, statements similar to the following are not hard to find in this blog:

From Sept 20, 2017:
“The kids are uber-educated, insanely risk-averse, materialistic, disloyal to employers, financially illiterate, and know everything.”

In fairness that is nothing compared to the venom s/he spewed. But it is ageism nonetheless.

Many of us here need to up our game.

#22 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 9:52 am

I’m not a fan of censorship, and things are plenty loose in this regard here at the GF.

Giving SCM the boot was not censorship, it was troll removal. She went out of her way trying to enflame and incite certain demographics, and evidently had no clue where the line was. Even when Mr. T graciously pointed out the line to her, she went ahead (probably with limited ability to do otherwise) and crossed it again her very next post.

I’ll leave an old proverb here for SCM to meditate on:

“Speech is silver and silence is golden”

Think long on these words young grasshopper, and gain wisdom.

#23 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 9:56 am

#17 isuckless on 10.12.17 at 9:33 am
Your blog – your rules.
No one other than you has any say what can be published (or not).
_______________________________

Exactly. She had all kinds of chances to smarten up.

#24 Ezzy on 10.12.17 at 9:58 am

So sad. Maybe it’s not that our tolerance is being diminished, rather, it’s those who are opposed to tolerance are simply more vocal about it. I suspect most people are happy to do what they’ve always done, which is to go about their lives with little concern for what others do with theirs. Then there’s the perception that the internet provides us with anonymity (as if). Still, a lack of (though inevitable) centralization of the internet means we currently have no truly effective enforcement of our anti-sexism, racism, and etc laws. But that’s politicians for you, quick to take the money of those they are so slow (reluctant?) to protect.

#25 2 Cents Canadian on 10.12.17 at 10:02 am

Yes ….. a fantastic site/blog with valuable thoughts, insight and information (still very free by the way everyone). And one of the few sites not steered by advertising or politics. And if it helps Turner Investments find a few new clients … then so be it. Good for them (the advice and theory is bang on). He practically tells us how to do it all ourselves (did I mention for free?). But all the escalating yipping and yapping at each other on here the last few months reminds me of a bunch of grade 9 girls. Cut it out for crying out loud. This site is one of the last portals to financial and political truth and clarity. Act like adults …. or better still … act like adults used to act like.

#26 TurnerNation on 10.12.17 at 10:17 am

Perhaps Smoking man can code a downloadable screen saver for blog dogs: Respect, Diversity, Inclusion.

It’s not working in spite of all these years of re-education – see banned SCM. Humans are tribal creatures.

#27 The Limited Sage on 10.12.17 at 10:18 am

Garth,

I’m a millennial. You know this – I’ve sent you two emails in the past and both times you’ve responded to my inquires (one via here and one via email). Before I came to this blog, I was part of that millennial struggle of focusing everything I did in my life to one day afford a house in an ever-rising market.

Then, one day about a year and a half a go I stumbled upon this blog and your cute dog photos and I haven’t looked back since. Before you, I didn’t know squat about investing, couldn’t tell you what a dividend was and was using my TFSA as a savings account. Your expertise in dishing out this free advice has truly changed my life (and my future) for the better – please know that.

While some of these comments are brutal, and I’m sure you feel like you’re in a thankless position, I’m here to tell you that I appreciate what you do every day for not only myself, but for many others too.

So thank you, not only for all your investing advice, but also for giving me good reason to give the middle finger to RE agents and the banks (no including their stocks and their sweet sweet dividends)

G.

#28 Citizen on 10.12.17 at 10:21 am

Hi Garth,
Great post……

#29 Identity politics is the new "class struggle" on 10.12.17 at 10:21 am

There are forces beyond your control that are just reflected in the comments of your blog.

Ironically the identity politics principles adopted lately by political parties, even built into governments now – on top of the normal legal principles and laws that provide equality for the citizens – is what creates all this mess.

Identity politics is what the ideology of class struggle used to be for the masses.

What Communism proved about this in totalitarian states is that the “class struggle” never ends, it is an ever moving un-specifiable target, a perfect tool for which-hunt to eliminate political opponents, where the masses are collateral damage.

Racism and other identity politics social constructs are exactly like “class struggle”, that’s why identity politics creates political institutions outside of the normal government structures, like the Human Rights Tribunal and Ontario Human Rights Commission. They function as a system within the system, with ideological goals and targets and no real accountability.

They provide ideological policing of society, exactly the same way as totalitarian Communist parties did, with the power of real courts.

Professor Jordan Peterson (among others) perfectly analyzing in publicly available videos this mind blowing resurrection of far left ideologies and the institutions that they created within democratic, developed G7 states, including Canada.

That’s the “invisible landscape” behind the changed tones in comments even on your blog.

#30 rainclouds on 10.12.17 at 10:25 am

Another blogs rules

https://wolfstreet.com/2017/10/07/finally-my-guidelines-for-commenting/

#31 Petawawa Renter on 10.12.17 at 10:29 am

I see yesterday’s post was removed. One can only imagine the uproar in the peanut gallery. Though with the general tone and repeated messages coming from certain commenters, there isn’t much to imagine.

I’m fairly certain that SCM trolled several websites, just based on similar links/articles/stats/abusive language/shock at being called out on said behaviour/and his general phrasing and comment structure. I can’t prove it, it just seems like there’s too much in common with posts elsewhere for it not to be him. I’m sure he’ll find somewhere else to troll from the comfort of his mom’s basement.

Anyway, thank you Garth for doing what you do every day. This sad little blog has changed my spending and saving habits, and some of those who I’ve directed here, all without insult or injury. I’m sure there are thousands more like me who don’t post but sit silently in the sidelines and enjoy.

#32 Chris on 10.12.17 at 10:52 am

I will be honest, I have had comments moderated that were respectfully disagreeing with views on this site. More than once I might add. Truthfully was quite disappointed. There were no swear words or anything crude or disrespectful written. Just a differing view. I was disappointed that comments/opinions that respectfully disagreed with GT were not posted and were in fact censored. Hope this changes moving forward!

There is always a reason. Differing views are welcomed. View that differ and hang off an ad hominem argument are not. — Garth

#33 Shortymac on 10.12.17 at 10:54 am

Good to see that some trolls got removed, I’ve been posting less and less as the comments section became more political-trolly since the election.

I come here for financial advice, biatch about housing prices, and laugh at smoking man.

Don’t beat yourself up too much, Garth. Trolls happen. There is a huge difference between discourse and trolling.

Trolling disrupts discourse and is used only to feed the trolls ego and hurt others.

I leave with this quote from John-Paul Sarte, it was about anti-Semites but replace the word with “Troll” and it still rings true.

From Jean-Paul Sartre in 1946:

Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

(Quote link: http://abahlali.org/files/Jean-Paul_Sartre_Anti-Semite_and_Jew_An_Exploration_of_the_Etiology_of_Hate__1995.pdf)

#34 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 10:56 am

George Carlin “Politcal Correctness is Facsism pretending to be Manners”

Wow no swear words from George in this clip.

https://youtu.be/hkhUivqzWv0

#35 Report on 10.12.17 at 11:01 am

The Teranet report for resale prices of September drops tomorrow.

My prediction (just a guess, really): Toronto down, Vancouver up hard, Canada somewhere in between.

Very close!
TO was hard down, not just down.

Report here:
https://housepriceindex.blogspot.ca/2017/10/the-teranet-national-bank-house-price.html

#36 Canadian Moose on 10.12.17 at 11:09 am

Garth

AMEN….and thank you for this reminder.

Cheers from the cold and snowy Hinterland.

#37 TnT on 10.12.17 at 11:12 am

#29 Identity politics is the new “class struggle” on 10.12.17 at 10:21 am

Great post!

It’s a natural social phenomenon for a society to drift into Communism or Nationalism.

This drift is caused by the millions of “sound bites” that push and pull our society through every day chatter.

With modern day communication platforms like Social Media the “sound bites” are amplified and the drift is more pronounced and pull each side to the fringe leaving less voices of reason in the center.

We need more Jordan and less SJW / Alt-Right

#38 Rudygq on 10.12.17 at 11:16 am

One way of looking at this is that we are guests in your house Garth. This approach can be applied to a restaurant, grocery store or blog. If a host/business owner reasonably perceives a guest is or going to cause harm to their house, the host is within their right to ask the guest to leave. This is not discrimination but a right.

When one invests their financial and time capital into building something worthwhile it behooves the investor to protect their investment. Fellow bloggers, be good guests in all aspects of life.
Carry on.

#39 Linda on 10.12.17 at 11:18 am

Right on Garth:) Have to say, for some reason people seem to think that when they are on open media they can indeed ‘speak’ in a way they would possibly not do should they be speaking to someone face to face. I’m not quite sure why people have to be reminded as adults to be civil to others even though they may disagree with the other point of view. Thanks for posting your blog.

#40 Eks dee Sipal on 10.12.17 at 11:19 am

Lender Market Share Q2 2017 and 12-month change:

1. Scotiabank 26.7% +10.3%
2. MCAP 14.2% -1.2%
3. First National 12.7% -2.5%
4. TD Canada Trust 8.6% +1.9%
5. Street Capital 6.3% -2.1%
6. Equitable Bank 4.5% -0.1%
7. Merix Financial 4.5% -2.4%
8. B2B Bank 3.7% +1.4%
9. Home Trust 3.6% -3.0%
10. Canadian WB 1.3% +0.4%

#41 Tazi Bnu on 10.12.17 at 11:27 am

I would chip in $5 to have Garth, and Bandit, in a “Bad Ass” Cop costume for Halloween. It could be done for charity too.

#42 waiting on the westcoast on 10.12.17 at 11:42 am

Big believer in free speech but no time for trolling. I love debate and opposing views but it’s pointless if someone is just trying to create havoc without genuinely being open and learning from someone else’s position.

Thanks Garth for the forum! Hopefully, SCM will come back a bit more civilized because there were some gems in there that were worthy of debate.

#43 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 11:48 am

If we don’t openly submit to Marxism we will all be called racists. I will not go quietly into the night. I will fight them with words any chance I get.

Further evidence of Fascism pretending to be manners

Canada’s largest school board says it’s phasing out the word “chief” from senior staff’s job titles out of respect for Indigenous peoples.
The Toronto District School Board says it has been working on removing the term from job titles for a few years, and is close to eliminating it completely.
The board says the word “chief” doesn’t accurately represent the jobs it’s used to describe, and is being replaced with terms like “manager” and “executive officer.”

#44 Eks dee Sipal on 10.12.17 at 11:51 am

We all need respect, recognition and love. Garth’s blog is a model platform for truth and insight, and a medium for change. Garth inspired me.

I reported on the filthy Hollywood environment years ago on my blog, and it appears to be making an impact now, finally, once the younger generation would not play along.

I started the ‘fake news’ meme also, although it has been twisted by the spin of the alt-right to serve the overall false narrative. Las Vegas shooting was another fake production. Even the MSM is beginning to get a clue. Winds of change are blowing. I take full credit. Why not? Even Conrad Black (not his real name) is afraid of me.

Much of the repudiation felt by millennials towards their elders is partly my fault, but I think it is healthy. Change is always healthy, in the long-term. Time for Canada to grow up. Truth, money and power are increasingly becoming de-centralized. Bankers and other financial parasites; beware, a new dawn approaches.

#45 Hamilton on 10.12.17 at 11:53 am

Well said Garth, It is no ones fault but are own that one is were they are in life. Trowing stones of hate. blaming groups, politicians or presidents in another country does not resolve the underlining problem.

#46 Hamilton on 10.12.17 at 11:58 am

Back to housing!!

TORONTO — Falling home prices in Toronto in September dragged down the Teranet–National Bank national composite house price index as it posted its first monthly decline since January 2016.

The national index, which includes 11 cities, fell 0.8 per cent compared with the previous month, the largest monthly decline since September 2010.

The move lower came as the index for Toronto, Canada’s largest housing market, fell 2.7 per cent on a month-over-month basis.

David Madani, senior Canada economist at Capital Economics, said a sharper slowdown in price inflation in the coming months is unavoidable.

“And with interest rates on the rise and mortgage financing rules likely to be tightened significantly later this year, the worst is still to come,” said Madani, who has been long-time bear on the housing market.

Home sales in Toronto have fallen since April when the Ontario government moved to cool the hot housing market with a package of changes including the introduction of a tax on foreign buyers.

The Bank of Canada has also raised its key interest rate target twice this year, prompting the big banks to raise their prime rates, pushing the cost of variable rate mortgages higher. The cost of new fixed rate mortgages have also climbed in recent months as yields on the bond market have risen.

In addition to Toronto, the price index for Quebec City lost 2.3 per cent, while Hamilton slipped 1.9 per cent, Halifax dropped 0.4 per cent and Winnipeg lost 0.3 per cent.

The index for Victoria was flat, while Vancouver increased 1.3 per cent, Calgary added 0.7 per cent, Montreal climbed 0.3 per cent, Ottawa-Gatineau gained 0.3 per cent and Edmonton edged up 0.2 per cent.

Compared with a year ago, the national composite house price index was up 11.4 per cent.

Toronto was up 18.0 per cent compared with September 2016, while Hamilton gained 19.5 per cent and Victoria added 14.7 per cent. Vancouver climbed 10.5 per cent compared with a year ago.

#47 Grey Dog on 10.12.17 at 12:00 pm

Garth, your blog…your rules. I must say you let a lot more noise through than I would have. Hence I don’t even bother scanning some of your regular bloggers. That is why I liked Boom! So much…as a lot of gentle wisdom came from that guy. I bet you never once deleted him!

Melania the straw lady hanging outside your Belfountain Store needs some dollar store sunglasses,the official Melania even wears them at night. Other than that, your straw couple look great!

#48 Ogopogo on 10.12.17 at 12:15 pm

I reserve all my vitriol for the bottom-feeding parasites known as realtors.

It’s how I manage to be calm and peaceful in every other area of my life.

#49 Patrick on 10.12.17 at 12:17 pm

We all have our ideas of what is acceptable and not, as a blog owner that is your prerogative. Now that being said a healthy discussion needs different point of views, I am not sure what the trolls would be publishing…toward Real Estate? But it is understandable that any person living in GTA or Vancouver would be strongly opiniated and emotional about it.

But I guess it explains why yesterday’s post was deleted.

#50 Debt and Stress on 10.12.17 at 12:30 pm

In a nutshell, a lot of the nasty behaviour that seems to have sprung up in the last few years, and made more evident through the Internet, is tied, I believe to the amount of debt people are carrying. This is a theme oft-explored and expounded upon by our Noble Host, he of the rippling, fulsome abs.

In that same nutshell, and yes it is getting a bit crowded, the deleterious affects of stress on one’s health are also well documented. And in turn, poor health can be linked to shortened lifespans. So, indebted people (moist or otherwise) are stressed, and they may live shorter lives. In effect, they sacrifice what is most precious, time, for a life of servitude to their debts.

#51 Howard on 10.12.17 at 12:40 pm

Here’s a link to the Financial Post article about Toronto rents that Lee was referring to above : http://business.financialpost.com/real-estate/condo-rents-continue-to-head-higher-in-gta-as-rents-jump-10-3-per-cent-in-one-year

Out of curiosity I looked up the rent in a previous apartment building in which I resided near Yonge & St. Clair in 2012. It’s an older rental building, not a condo, so was rent-controlled.

Y&SC Jr 1-bdrm going rate :
2012 : $1340
Now : $1650

Very steep increase there, and most of it in the past 18-24 months. Rents in Toronto were mostly static from ~2008 through to 2015 and then suddenly began to soar in 2016 and continue their ascent today. This is absent any discernible wage growth.

Glad to be out of the city now looking in.

#52 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 12:42 pm

#37 TnT on 10.12.17 at 11:12 am
#29 Identity politics is the new “class struggle” on 10.12.17 at 10:21 am

Great post!

It’s a natural social phenomenon for a society to drift into Communism or Nationalism.

This drift is caused by the millions of “sound bites” that push and pull our society through every day chatter.

With modern day communication platforms like Social Media the “sound bites” are amplified and the drift is more pronounced and pull each side to the fringe leaving less voices of reason in the center.

We need more Jordan and less SJW / Alt-Right
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I’d bet the drift is caused by the rise to prosperity. As Alexander Fraser Tytler said:

“The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

Tytler has quipped so many truths about modern democracy it’s not funny. He was right on the ball way ahead of time. I think Canadians are transitioning right now from Apathy to Dependence.

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy…”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler

Sound familiar?

Make no mistake – it’s the people, not the Government.

#53 TnT on 10.12.17 at 12:44 pm

#43 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 11:48 am

If we don’t openly submit to Marxism we will all be called racists. I will not go quietly into the night.I will fight them with words any chance I get.

Further evidence of Fascism pretending to be manners

***

Words are mostly name calling which begets more words.

It will be more effective to enlighten them with Vision.

Right now there’s a 2 prong attack going on from the Post Modern movement.

Progressive Vision being the dominate Vision followed by shutting down debate on Progressive Vision.

The upcoming Millennial Generation is the largest voting Bloc and will shape their world the way they want it through majority rules.

As offensive as it is to earlier Generations, this is their time and they can and will choose what to do with it.

This is a very educated Generation, so name calling will not work.

Come up with a better Vision and start selling.

#54 Long Branch Apprentice on 10.12.17 at 1:07 pm

In 2015, I was employed as a contract worker with Teck Resources. This was still considered to be in the commodities downturn.

When I showed up the project, in NE BC, (Zn and Cu exploration), I found I was one of the only Canadian citizens on the project. The team consisted of almost entirely Irish and British temporary foreign workers that had almost no experience. Now keep in mind that during this period many Canadian geologists were without work.

Is that fair Garth? Is it fair that a giant of a company like Teck specifically hired inexperienced workers that aren’t even from this country?

FYI, I’m 33, expecting a kid very shortly and have since gone back to school for another occupation.

#55 2 Cents Canadian on 10.12.17 at 1:21 pm

#52 IHCTD9
Bingo!!!
Perfectly
In a true democratic world …… if you have enough stupid (lost, confused, short sighted, uninteligent, uninformed, undisciplined, entitled, unstructured) people. They can run the show. And they are. So ….. Now ……. what’s the next step? Either to “fix” it? Or how to survive (and excuse me for wanting to actually flurish and live a great life) in this imploding system.

#56 2 Cents Canadian on 10.12.17 at 1:31 pm

#52 IHCTD9
Perfectly worded. And exactly what is going on right now.

#57 sun seeker on 10.12.17 at 1:36 pm

Best of Luck to Smoking Man on his journey to recovery.I just put my brother into rehab yesterday,hopefully in time to aviod amputating his legs.Some folks just can’t drink and nobody should smoke…..I’ll be thinking good thoughts about you November 1.Fondest Regards,S.S.

#58 karl on 10.12.17 at 1:39 pm

Anti-immigrant is a bad thing?
When I was born in 52. the US population was about 150 million. It is now about 350 million. About half of that 200 million increase in 65 years is immigrants and their children.
The US is crowded. I have seen 17 stop lights go up on a street in my city. From 15 in 10 miles to 32. Since 1974. A congested busyness that makes life unpleasant. Rural lakes on gravel roads are now ringed by 3000 sq. ft. houses. I seldom go up north anymore (Wisconsin ) because I can see a Walgreens drugstore down the block–I don’t have to drive 300 miles to see one.
I’ll save comments about the infectious mental illness that many of immigrants the bring into the country for a later post.

No you won’t. — Garth

#59 joblo on 10.12.17 at 1:47 pm

http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21730205-canadas-liberal-government-starting-make-mistakes-and-suffer-mishaps-justin-trudeaus

This is Awesome!

Ironic?

The Economist Group is owned by the Cadbury, Rothschild, Schroder, Agnelli and other family interests as well as a number of staff and former staff shareholders.

#60 yupkime on 10.12.17 at 1:55 pm

Fortunately I was able to view a copy of yesterday’s post even after it was deleted and I can see why it might have made alot of people turn attack mode on.

People generally can’t stand it when other people with so many advantages are completely clueless and are the envy of anyone in any generation.

Anytime that happens I just take a deep breath and meditate on this quote.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

#61 Stone on 10.12.17 at 2:03 pm

#52 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 12:42 pm

Great posting. Very true.

#62 Gramps on 10.12.17 at 2:05 pm

I’ve read that tolerance breeds intolerance.
Something that’s stuck with me as I ponder where society is going.

#63 Howard on 10.12.17 at 2:19 pm

Our tax dollars at work : Bombardier will miss target this year for TTC streetcar deliveries https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/ttc-disappointed-that-bombardier-will-miss-target-for-streetcar-deliveries/article36562916/

#64 Fake News Again on 10.12.17 at 2:28 pm

Lately this blog has been accused of censorship….

Garth….you have been in “denial” of all the Chinese Dudes parking their money in Vancouver for years calling everyone racist and deleting comments. Now your not. Point being…..censorship here is not a new thing.

Racist comments will always be deleted or removed. — Garth

#65 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.12.17 at 2:37 pm

@#59 Joblo
Ya gotta luv The Economist.

A refreshing change from what we’re used to in the MSM.
They tell it like it is and aren’t in the back pocket of local businesses.

#66 Ian on 10.12.17 at 2:39 pm

We need to get back to figuring out what the Bank of Canada is doing…what ARE they doing?!?!

#67 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 2:41 pm

#55 2 Cents Canadian on 10.12.17 at 1:21 pm

……. what’s the next step? Either to “fix” it? Or how to survive (and excuse me for wanting to actually flurish and live a great life) in this imploding system.
_____________________________

I can’t speak for others on this one, but as for me; I am:

1.Voting for the most financially irresponsible candidates for PMoC as possible.

2. Learning to offset and minimize my exposure to taxation and fees.

3. Working towards a basic level of self sufficiency to give me options where currently I have none.

The rationale for the above in order is as follows:

1. Bring Canadians to their financial and economic knees ASAP. The assumption is current voter sentiment (ie Trudeau bootlickers) will not change until solid hardship comes to many, many households.

2. If we keep voting in financial and economic cement heads, then proposed tax increases will fill the headlines constantly. I hope to work around most of them, and offset the rest.

3. Future tax and fee hikes will increasingly turn to products and services we can’t say no to like gasoline, heating fuels, and electricity. Governments have already passed the point of diminishing returns on regular tax increases where Citizens still have options. More and more effort will be required to extract less and less revenue. Thus, tax increases will be levied on the raw essentials of modern life in order to ensure a predictable result (carbon taxes etc…). This winter I am working on this one, reducing, supplementing, and replacing heating fuel, transportation fuels, and electrical power.

I can’t think of any better way other than packing up and leaving.

#68 n1tro on 10.12.17 at 3:08 pm

#37 TnT on 10.12.17 at 11:12 am
#29 Identity politics is the new “class struggle” on 10.12.17 at 10:21 am

We need more Jordan and less SJW / Alt-Right
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Completely agree but was it not you a few months back posting links paralleling Trump with being the next Hitler? Isn’t that a tad on the SJW tangent? Not picking on you but it is amazing to see how social (media) conditioning affects us all (myself included).

A few weeks back I noticed the term “dog whistle” being used as to how Garth is getting people to side with the “tax cheat” doctors and such. Thought nothing of it since this site is pro-canine and people often refer to themselves as blog”dogs”.

Watched some MSM recently with Hillary being interviewed and all I heard from her was the usual “it was everyone else’ fault for me losing” but then she started using the term “dog whistle” when referring to Trump and how it gets his supporters to rally around him.

#69 Victor V on 10.12.17 at 3:18 pm

‘The worst is still to come’ as national home price index falls in September

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2017/10/12/the-worst-is-still-to-come-as-national-home-price-index-falls-in-september.html

Falling home prices in Toronto in September dragged down the Teranet–National Bank national composite house price index as it posted its first monthly decline since January 2016.

The national index, which includes 11 cities, fell 0.8 per cent compared with the previous month, the largest monthly decline since September 2010.

The move lower came as the index for Toronto, Canada’s largest housing market, fell 2.7 per cent on a month-over-month basis.

David Madani, senior Canada economist at Capital Economics, said a sharper slowdown in price inflation in the coming months is unavoidable.

“And with interest rates on the rise and mortgage financing rules likely to be tightened significantly later this year, the worst is still to come,” said Madani, who has been long-time bear on the housing market.

#70 James on 10.12.17 at 3:39 pm

#57 sun seeker on 10.12.17 at 1:36 pm

Best of Luck to Smoking Man on his journey to recovery.I just put my brother into rehab yesterday,hopefully in time to avoid amputating his legs. Some folks just can’t drink and nobody should smoke…..I’ll be thinking good thoughts about you November 1.Fondest Regards,S.S.
………………………………………………………………
Huh, now there’s something that I never thought I would read. Smoking Man going into re-hab.
Jesus did the leafs win the Stanley Cup or did I oversleep?
What is Smoking Man going into re-hab for ? Drugs, drinking, smoking or gambling? Doesn’t he have all of the above as vices?
For all of you out there, November 1st. Put it on your calendars as it is the end of this blog as we know it.

#71 Sam the Sham on 10.12.17 at 3:45 pm

#29 Identity politics is the new “class struggle”

Your statement really nailed it! Political Correctness and Identity Politics are the scourge of modern society.
The Social Justice Warriors that infest all our institutions remind me of the Communist Red Guard that was unleashed on the Chinese people between 1966 and 1976 during the Cultural Revolution. If you want to see where we’re headed, check your history books.

#72 Dissident on 10.12.17 at 3:50 pm

If everyone here watched at least one episode of the extremely liberal, hilariously accurate and warm-hearted Millennial romp comedy series “Broad City”, then at least I’d have something in common with y’all. And you’d probably learn something too about feminism, millennial life, urban living, tolerance, race relations…how to score some weed, and how not to wax your pubes :P The world would be a better, squishier place. Peace. #YASQUEEN

I mean, let’s face it. This blog could use more women, millennials and minorities to make it more civilized and inclusive (i.e. more representative of the outside reality). Diversity is strength. Hegemony is weakness. That’s not a dis, that’s just an observation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_xGWSkRKc

#73 Canada=Poor cousin of U.S on 10.12.17 at 3:51 pm

Phil Sopher on city tv says market is back on fire.

#74 jess on 10.12.17 at 3:51 pm

play nice ?

from wall street on parade:
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/05/wall-streets-kangaroo-courts-perpetuate-a-business-model-of-fraud/

“The arbitration issues exposed by Antilla should have shamed the U.S. into legislative action. But as a testament to the power and money of Wall Street in Congress, bills to overturn Wall Street’s no-court system have failed to make it out of committee for decades. In her 2002 book, Antilla provides specifics on how a female broker and a female sales assistant were sexually assaulted by the same male broker in a branch office of Smith Barney. In advance of the arbitration, Smith Barney “forced the two women to undergo examinations by a psychiatrist of the brokerage firm’s choosing,” writes Antilla. The female broker was “subjected to a grilling by Smith Barney’s consultant that included questions about her sex life, the opening of her gynecological records, and queries about her menstrual periods, her marital counseling and her divorce.” The female assistant, continues Antilla “was placed in a chair in the middle of a room, was similarly grilled with two-and-a-half hours of questions that ranged from her sexual experience to her childhood.” Antilla adds that “in an utterly bizarre moment, he asked her to recite the names of all the U.S. presidents in reverse order,” causing her to finally break down in tears.”

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/a-rise-in-requests-from-brokers-to-wipe-the-slate-clean/?_r=0

Investors with a grievance are forced to use a private court run by Finra, a regulator that’s funded by Wall Street. Sometimes their judges have records worse than the brokers.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13159346/1/indicted-lawyers-peeping-toms-can-wind-up-judges-in-finra-arbitration.html

#75 Calgary Rip Off on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

Ive been around 45 years, a short time.

There are many levels of good and evil on this planet. It is my belief that after death you go where you deserve to go, by your thoughts and actions. You are responsible. Jesus the Christ was the ultimate Master in that He was able to talk and care for all types of people and didnt fear death. He was able to be firm and apply His thoughts without being apologetic and yet didnt attack others.

For whoever there is that is struggling out there, I want to share my experience: There is a loneliness that pervades this planet. I have looked everywhere for peace and found much disappointment. In the Scriptures and teachings I find much comfort and from that comfort my survival of day to day trials I will be kept alive.

I highly recommend the Book of Mormon, the Bible, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to all that are depressed, put down, shutout, as it has and to this day has given me comfort. Deep down most angry people are only a few steps above apathy and are fighting to stay alive. Below apathy is death. Why not give these people hope?

#76 Long-Time Lurker on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

#62 Gramps on 10.12.17 at 2:05 pm
I’ve read that tolerance breeds intolerance. Something that’s stuck with me as I ponder where society is going.

I guess we need to be tolerantly intolerant or intolerantly tolerant. I’m with the latter… or the former.
(joke)

#77 Jamie Dimon on 10.12.17 at 4:05 pm

Let’s wake up blog dogs. El Gartherino in my opinion is doing a pretty good job policing the comments section. I think the the blog “regulars” could do more to help by not engaging the ridiculous troll comments. I’ve found myself a few times half way through a counter-punch paragraph to only realize that I’m doing exactly what the troll wants. Let’s be smarter and not play into the hands of these agitators.

#78 jess on 10.12.17 at 4:18 pm

“Westpac CEO Brian Hartzer. …. half of his A$400 billion home loan book consists of interest-only mortgages.”

the Australian House of Representatives
Standing Committee on Economics

11/10/2017

Review of Australia’s four major banks

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Fcommrep%2Faf124b58-f8c9-4d0f-81ef-23504fcea693%2F0002%22

https://theconversation.com/vital-signs-the-spooky-mortgage-risk-signs-our-bankers-are-ignoring-85591

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imf:
1 day ago – [Banking] Supervisors should focus more on the business models of banks to ensure sustainable profitability. We estimate that almost one-third of systemically important banks, with $17 trillion in assets, will struggle to achieve the profitability that’s needed to ensure their resilience to shocks.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/imf-identifies-nine-big-banks-likely-to-struggle-with-profitability-1507723201

#79 Engineer with no job on 10.12.17 at 4:22 pm

I come here everyday looking for advice for investment. I appreciate Garth’s advice of a balanced investment portfolio. I do not know where Toronto/Vancouver R/E markets are heading given the population of the Canadian Chinese over there. If you compare with Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing, they are still “affordable”.

#80 Sebee on 10.12.17 at 4:30 pm

I know what you’re thinking. “Did he delete six “first” comments or only five?” Well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself.

#81 slick on 10.12.17 at 4:31 pm

Re: alberta building companies.
My son works in a building supply factory here in Ontario.
they have rail access and ship about 25-30 rail cars a week to alberta. Double shifts 6-7 days per week. I worked at the same place 30 years ago, and we shipped 1 rail car per week. Somebody is using all this stuff.
Dozens of trucks per day going into TO, and down the 401 to Montreal area.
The young fella gets all the OT he wants, up to the company max of 56 hours per week. He just bought a new sports car, I’ve thrown a wet blanket on any talk of buying a house.
We have a rule in our house; ‘work every day they’ll let ya’
slick

#82 AGuyInVancouver on 10.12.17 at 4:38 pm

#64 Fake News Again on 10.12.17 at 2:28 pm
Lately this blog has been accused of censorship….

Garth….you have been in “denial” of all the Chinese Dudes parking their money in Vancouver for years calling everyone racist and deleting comments. Now your not. Point being…..censorship here is not a new thing.

Racist comments will always be deleted or removed. — Garth
_ _ _

As one who follows this blog and actually acted upon it’s advice, it pained me to be labelled a racist. I’ll leave this quote from Justin Fung of Vancouver out there:

As one of the resident Chinese-Canadians on the HALT team, I was particularly frustrated to see this misleading headline on the front page of the Vancouver Sun “Is Racism Part of the Issue? Of course it is.”

Every time we make progress on trying to address housing affordability, we end up getting sidetracked and pulled back to square one with cries of racism. We’ve already seen Gregor Robertson and Bob Rennie do it once, calling out academically peer-reviewed research done by Andy Yan as being “racist”. Now it is Pete McMartin of the Vancouver Sun and Charlie Smith of the Georgia Straight just days after Mike De Jong’s foreign ownership “data” got debunked as being completely irrelevant.

We’re better than this and I know we are because I’ve seen and heard it myself. Whether it’s fellow Canadians I’ve talked to in person or online via our Facebook page, the conversation has always been culturally respectful and one that makes me incredibly proud to be Canadian. If anything, it’s the Pete McMartins and Bob Rennies of the world who would take advantage of our Canadian politeness and welcoming nature toward people of all races to suggest that racism is what fuels the Vancouver housing affordability discussion..”
https://www.straight.com/news/734326/justin-fung-open-letter-those-who-play-race-card-vancouver-housing-affordability-debate

#83 Michael King on 10.12.17 at 4:42 pm

This is sad. It wasn’t long ago that you were considering doing away with comments altogether because of readers’ bad behavior. Here we go again. To all Garth fans: please lighten up when leaving comments! Thank you.
Re: today’s comment #13. Smoking Man, if you are serious may I say good luck to you. That takes courage and I sincerely hope it goes well.

#84 RWZero on 10.12.17 at 4:46 pm

“We are way less tolerant than in the past, even as social mores become more liberal daily”

I don’t see any evidence of this at all. More likely, it’s the same phenomenon that we saw with digital media: people have full HD access to things they wouldn’t have even heard about before, even if there are fewer of them.

#85 ME Here on 10.12.17 at 5:00 pm

I, like many here, almost never read the comments. Sometimes, there’s some nuggets in there, I suppose. If I do read them, I just do a search for —Garth to see the particularly interesting ones.

#86 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:02 pm

#68 n1tro on 10.12.17 at 3:08 pm

Completely agree but was it not you a few months back posting links paralleling Trump with being the next Hitler? Isn’t that a tad on the SJW tangent? Not picking on you but it is amazing to see how social (media) conditioning affects us all (myself included).

***

Yes it was me and still stand by what I said.

Timothy Snyder wrote:
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

It’s a quick read and outlines the parallels better than I ever could.

If you don’t want to spend the $7
Great Podcast with Timothy Snyder & Sam Harris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmI_YNGx_jE

IHCTD9 @ #52 posted Alexander Fraser Tytler masterful outline of how a Society evolves. USA like any nation is and will evolve into “something” different.

Germany’s Nationalist movement came after Britain & France “Globalizing” Europe (plenty other reason’s too, let’s not start a whole debate) and here we are again Nationalizing behind Trumpism after the latest advances of Globalization.

Any Nation can drift into Nazism. Trumpism is the closet modern USA got to Nationalism which leads to Fascism.

Just needs another Reichstag moment.

#87 LP on 10.12.17 at 5:06 pm

#62 Gramps on 10.12.17 at 2:05 pm
I’ve read that tolerance breeds intolerance.
Something that’s stuck with me as I ponder where society is going.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It’s a truism that the more tolerant one is, the more intolerant one becomes of intolerance.

#88 Willy H on 10.12.17 at 5:12 pm

If only online social media was half as conscientious as Garth vetting comments we might live in a better virtual world.

Sadly, it’s remains the wild west and the internet and humanity as a whole is the poorer for it.

#89 Islandgirl on 10.12.17 at 5:13 pm

Glad I caught yesterdays blog post before it got pulled but also before the comments started. I’ve learned a lot here, and appreciate how much it has guided our financial life.
As for the comments, I skim through and just read as necessary.

#90 Warren- the lagging indicator on 10.12.17 at 5:14 pm

Come on now, you have to admit Garth is pretty fair, if not fair and pretty.

#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm

Just out of curiosity, can anyone voice the plus side of immigration? Im very anti-immigration and it has nothing to do with racism so please stop with that lazy argument, but why do we need it?

I kindly ask, do not use the “we need it to pay for all the pensions and benefits the government promised”. That is beyond lazy, plus any study shows that the vast majority use way more resources than they ever put in.

I gotta ask, if this was the be-all end-all to a solution for a perfect utopia, why would other countries let them leave?

Trying to be civil here, Im just asking for the argument from the other side?

Immigration levels have been consistent at less than 1% of the population annually. Without it our natural population would decrease and economic activity along with it. Currently demographics are not our friend. For proof look at Japan, where immigration has been seriously restricted and the economy has been a walking disaster for three decades as the population ages. In any case, this is not an immigration blog and I will not tolerate comments trashing newcomers. It takes courage and drive to change countries. The lazy and feckless never try. — Garth

#92 Dolce Vita on 10.12.17 at 5:31 pm

Yes, there’s some Springer Spaniel in that dog.

If it’s a Springer, that’s not a growl; rather, be prepared to be slobbered to death.

You made my night Garth. Thanks.

#93 Howard on 10.12.17 at 5:36 pm

The criticism isn’t directed at immigrants (i.e. the people), at least it isn’t from me. It’s directed more at a system that isn’t necessarily working for Canadians (TFWs, etc).

Immigration is meant to be a policy to be in the best interests of Canadians, be they native-born or existing immigrants.

If the labour market can support our current level of immigration, then fine. I’m simply not convinced that it can without significantly undercutting the salaries of middle-class and poorer citizens.

#94 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:47 pm

#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm

Not an immigration blog so I don’t want to hijack what Garth said.

But this is an Economic book written for long term investors.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13587034-what-to-expect-when-no-one-s-expecting

Western civilization is doomed without immigration.

AND, Really…..

Who wants to eat Kraft Dinner and Moose Chops all their life, thanks God for immigrants.

#95 jess on 10.12.17 at 5:56 pm

is that healthy risk ?

Satyajit Das: 60% aussie banks loan assets are directly related to mortgage loans
whereas hong kong bank exposure 15%

four corners “betting on the house”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMiTlZ9iN4

#96 Dolce Vita on 10.12.17 at 6:01 pm

Having lived in Italia now for almost 4 years you realize how obsessed Canada is with America and in unhealthy ways.

I still watch The National everyday and CTV local news from some of the cities I lived in. You get more news in 1 day about America from these networks than I do here in Italy in a few weeks. At times I think I’m watching NBC and not CBC, the same goes for the local news.

Economically, we should pay attention to America, for example NAFTA, how their economy is doing, their stock markets for investing etc.

Where we are obsessed, in an unhealthy way, is with their internal politics, events and culture. They barely register a blip (as does Trump) here in Italy.

In Canada, you would think we are in crisis because of Weinstein, Antifa, the Las Vegas Massacre and KKK (the latest American MSM top stories).

This obsession with their internal politics, events and culture is warping reality for many Canadians. We cannot vote in their election. It is their country. Stop worrying, there is little Canada can do about it.

And I agree, because of this unhealthy obsession, you are reading absurd polarization of view points, ridiculous virtue signalling, nastiness beyond words, here, in Canada…this is not Canada and who we are as a people.

Canada, worry, obsess, celebrate all things Canadian instead.

Sorry if I have offended any Americans that read this blog, but that is how I see it…from afar.

And you are correct to scold, Garth.

#97 Sierts on 10.12.17 at 6:30 pm

Ever more often I have to think about old Prussia.
They had a meritocratic/democratic political system.

Simplified:
Who pays to the Goverment should have more political weight, than those receive from the goverment.

in our modern times, where democracy mutated to democrazy, and the older i get, more and more often I ask myself, if that system was really so bad, as i learned in school?

#98 Hypocritical to the Core on 10.12.17 at 6:31 pm

The comments section is ALWAYS filled with massive insults and stereotyping directed towards Millennials, lefties, and SJW’s, Garth included. I understand its your blog your rules, but dont call it fair by any means. The comments section is more than forgiving to right wing causes, how else can you justify smoking aliens many published rants.

Its play nice as long as you dont get offended. SCM was a one man/woman (kid?) who challenged con ideology and would throw their crap right back at them. If this person is a kid, he/she is a prodigy. Calling this person a kid is an intended insult and goes against your preaching..do as I say, not as I do.

I will miss the balance this person tried to give to the conversation.

#99 raisemyrent on 10.12.17 at 6:37 pm

What dolce vita said.
It’s only getting worse, though, as newer generations receive their culture from (mostly American) media. There is no distinction anymore. There is no pride in being different during the coming of age years when what your peers are doing is what is cool.
There was a whole report not too long ago on how Brits estimate their accent will eventually disappear as well (ours is on its last legs).

#100 Goldie on 10.12.17 at 6:42 pm

To be fair, things were going this way before Trump. It began as a reaction to extreme PC cultural enforcement on campuses and in certain sections of journalism (people being fired for “wrong think”).

Many people were becoming fed up and indeed, this led to Trump surprising the establishment, which almost a year later still cannot accept the election results. The elite narrative pushers mistakenly attribute to Trump as being the creator when his win was in fact merely the result of a growing, seething resentment in the underclass.

Many in the upper class were blissfully unaware of these issues until the MSM began picking up on them and purveying their heavily biased perspective to the general public after Trump won the republican nomination. Trump made it mainstream.
Pushback is a completely normal societal reaction whenever the pendulum swings too far in either direction: left or right.

It’s a shame that many people are unable to make their points without degrading to the lowest level of civility on these public forums but that’s the internet. Garth, if you have read this far, I think you are fair in your moderation. You will never completely get rid of trolls because it’s not possible. Like a chronic disease, just keep fighting until the end.

#101 Alberta Guy on 10.12.17 at 6:46 pm

#43 Smoking Man

Seems short sighted…”man”ager will soon come under fire for elimination as well.

#102 I'm Taking a Knee for SCM on 10.12.17 at 6:48 pm

I have to disagree Garth.

The spirited and acerbic comments by SCM, with often quite intelligent back arguments and source material, were a welcome change to the status quo of this comments section dominated by white males of a certain age and social strata.

You tolerate a horrendous amount of Trump populism and alt-right conspiracy crap on here already.

Even more so, the woman-hate on here is disgusting and revealing of all. Bill O’Reilly, Jian Ghomeshi and Harvey Weinstein would be comfortable reading the woman-related comments here most days. (Yes, and do not delete that Garth, because it is true!)

*It is fascinating how many have taken digs at SCM and called that person “she” – a clear inference that being a female or being called such would be insulting and inferior, subordinate to the males here.

Very revealing, and you tolerate it.

SCM is one of the harbingers of the very real differences about to envelop society, between the establish and the struggling younger set.

Your response to ban is rather Trumpian in tone and self-righteousness, Garth.

I would not take much comfort if I were you, from the slavish devotion of the acolytes posting here today in support of you.

Could be a ‘jump-the-shark’ moment if you are not careful………..

#103 just a dude on 10.12.17 at 6:50 pm

Here here! Bravo – well said, Sir. Thank you.

#104 cynical millenial on 10.12.17 at 6:54 pm

Great post Garth. Some of the other comments here nail how affected we Canadians are by America’s sickly politics.

As a fella who leans socialist, folks like you and Michael Chong give me hope for the conservatives in this country. We need more Turner on the airwaves, less Trump.

#105 MicroGX on 10.12.17 at 6:59 pm

I come for the pics, occasionally heed the warnings and consider the advice but speed scroll through the comments … my good newfie buddy would classifieds many of the commenter’s with something like” the world’s full of idiots eh bye”……. Who am I kidding I refresh this blog early in the evening to get my fix! Thanks Garth….. Sorry about the Idiots

#106 BlogDog123 on 10.12.17 at 7:00 pm

Thanks Garth for keeping the wackos and trolls in check. It’s a thankless job…

#107 Smartalox on 10.12.17 at 7:02 pm

The case for immigration?

How about because ‘Canadians’, (the True North kind) are always talking down about this country, complaining about being over-taxed, about how there are ‘no good jobs anymore’, about how miserable everything is: the traffic, the bike lanes – the (gasp) foreigners!

Well, imagine you grew up in a place that’s REALLY miserable. Imagine a place where family members disappeared after a late-night visit from the authorities. Where men and boys were pressed into service in an unending war, or forced to work for pennies to ensure their survival, while resource owners bribe governments to look away. Where even if you take the time to get educated, earn a degree, a skill or a profession, there’s no opportunity to earn a living in your field – or any living at all – because there is no economy.

Canada needs immigrants because whatever you think of how terrible a place Canada is to live, to a lot of people who weren’t born here, Canada looks a lot better than where they came from.

What’s it worth to have the right to Rights? What would you be willing to pay in taxes, not to get robbed at gunpoint by your local police? How many hours at minimum wage is it worth to watch your children flourish, instead of whither?

#108 dave in kincardine on 10.12.17 at 7:04 pm

You dance with angels and save souls. God bless you.

#109 KLNR on 10.12.17 at 7:13 pm

#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm

oh I don’t know… our entire country is built on immigration and continues to be. Where’d your family immigrate from ryguy? funny how every generation of imigrants thinks they were the last of the good ones.

#110 Smartalox on 10.12.17 at 7:20 pm

@Dolce Vita #96:

Canadians’ obsessions with American crises (real or manufactured) has a lot to do with Canadians’ consumption of American media, particularly narrowly targeted, politically-themed websites.

I see a lot of Canadians parroting US political arguments in Canada for no apparent reason, other than how the media they’ve consumed has informed their opinions.

A great example of this is reflected in anti-vaccination rhetoric and ‘alternative medicine’ schemes. In the US, interest in these topics comes from the fact that effective healthcare is expensive, and for those who are uninsured, there is a strong desire to fight against ‘unnecessary costs’, and declaim loudly the ‘need’ for such treatments. Similarly, the effectiveness of sham treatments and cheap, folk remedies are overstated, to make people feel better about treatments that they can’t afford.

Canadians don’t have to concern themselves with the high (monetary) costs of specific treatments. Vaccines are covered by government health insurance, as are state-of-the art, demonstrably effective treatments for dread diseases.

It would seem that the American arguments don’t apply to Canada, yet they persist, because the media that promote them don’t distinguish content by nationality: their quackery is available to anyone with an internet connection and a working knowledge of the American (i.e.: English) language.

#111 AJ on 10.12.17 at 7:22 pm

Hi Garth- *So* appreciate you and all the (non toxic) blog dogs. Insert heart emoji here.

#112 Smartalox on 10.12.17 at 7:27 pm

Last point about real estate prices and racism:

It’s not racist to complain about speculators using money to purchase property and drive up prices for everyone else.

It is racist to attribute that behaviour to any one ethnic group (everybody does it), and to insist that the reason that ethnic group speculates in real estate, is because of their ethnicity.

Similarly, while criminals may use real estate speculation techniques to launder the proceeds of their crimes, there is no evidence to suggest that everyone who speculates in real estate are criminals.

#113 Slowly saving on 10.12.17 at 7:29 pm

Garth,

I just wanted to say thanks for all the knowledge you pass on through the blog. I have a small amount of savings in registered accounts, certainly nothing to write home about. Holding ETFs that are diversified, *simple* and sitting on 7.89 and 9.78% for the year. Achieved through reading this blog & I think that’s pretty awesome.

So thanks, please keep it up. I really appreciate it.

#114 rainclouds on 10.12.17 at 7:33 pm

Goldilocks Canadian RE market

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/business/real-estate-royal-lepage-1.4351590

At least it is according to Industry shills and regurgitating media
My tax $ pays for this junk?

#115 Garden Maven on 10.12.17 at 7:39 pm

Restraint in public life is not a foundation of civilization. It is civilization.

Everyone should read this: https://geopoliticalfutures.com/manners-political-life/

#116 Al shister on 10.12.17 at 7:39 pm

For those buyers who didnt buy before GTA home prices went up, will now pay more and more. Should have listened, CP24 Hot Property guests only speak the truth.
– yours truly Al Shister

#117 bigtowne on 10.12.17 at 7:39 pm

Was that Justin trying to do “kissy Kissy” with Trump. Hey, it can’t get any better. This is as good as it gets.

#118 Dolce Vita on 10.12.17 at 7:40 pm

#110 Smartalox

Yup, another way of looking at it.

We are losing our gentility due to an unhealthy obsession with American internal affairs which should not concern us to the degree that they do.

It seems to me that we are mimicking them too much, even in our own matters, in ways such as polarized thinking, take no prisoners instead of agree to disagree, virtue signalling and as you cite, the list does goes on.

I’ve noticed this phenomenon of division, that Garth talks about, even in postings from my once gentile friends on Facebook which have become overly obsessed with American internal affairs. And I have tried to remind them of this, to no avail.

Why I am glad Garth took the time today to speak about this, AND, he finally gave me a Springer Spaniel photo…yes!

#119 Nonplused on 10.12.17 at 7:41 pm

“Immigration levels have been consistent at less than 1% of the population annually. Without it our natural population would decrease and economic activity along with it. Currently demographics are not our friend. For proof look at Japan, where immigration has been seriously restricted and the economy has been a walking disaster for three decades as the population ages. In any case, this is not an immigration blog and I will not tolerate comments trashing newcomers. It takes courage and drive to change countries. The lazy and feckless never try”. — Garth

#93 Howard

“Immigration is meant to be a policy to be in the best interests of Canadians, be they native-born or existing immigrants.

If the labour market can support our current level of immigration, then fine. I’m simply not convinced that it can without significantly undercutting the salaries of middle-class and poorer citizens.”

My fear is that continuing immigration at levels that were desirable in the past is not necessarily forward thinking. And it’s not about discrimination it’s about jobs. It doesn’t really matter where the immigrants come from, in my opinion the policy should be tied to employment levels. Right now in North America we have basically 20 years of no rising income for the average family (inflation adjusted) yet the real cost of things like housing, transportation, and food have gone through the roof. Maybe we are trying to shoe-horn more people in than “fit”?

But these are difficult questions. What is the right immigration level? Heck if I know. It is something greater than zero I am sure but wide open boarders isn’t the answer either, as that would likely drive wages down considerably. As long as the standard of living is greater in Canada than some other parts of the world people will want to come here, and they won’t stop until the incentive is zero.

The question is can you have a $15 dollar minimum wage, CPP, OAS, full employment, all the good things we want and also have unrestricted immigration? I suppose if the economy is growing fast enough it works but otherwise probably not.

There are a lot of other future trends that will impact things as well. For example, automation is making everyone productive, so in theory we don’t need as many people to get all the work done as we once did. However that brings it’s own issues about how we allocated goods and services in a society where maybe less work is required. However this is something we’ve been dealing with since the industrial revolution. One only needs to look at trends in rural communities over the last 100 years to see it. We simply don’t need near as many people working the farms as we once did and those people all had to find something else to do. Robots did the same thing to factory workers, and now computers are finally starting to take over for white collar workers.

And don’t fret too much over Japan, they are still a very rich country. They simply did exactly the same thing as the US did and moved their factories to Korea and China. Population problem solved. The fact is Japan probably doesn’t need to grow it’s population other than the fact that the pension model doesn’t work without constant growth. It’s a pay as you go system, so yes as long as you have more and more people retiring you need more and more workers, that’s the model, but it doesn’t mean the model envisions other physical limits to constant growth. It was a great model in 1950, but it probably isn’t today.

So much angst is bantered about by the fact that there aren’t going to be as many workers per retiree is the future and that’s true, and it is a problem, but that’s because the model is based on taxing current workers to pay current retirees. However just making more workers isn’t necessarily the solution like it was in 1950, especially as we watch the machines take over all the work. The whole system needs a rethink. All of the current systems were designed in a different era. Not to pick on the public pension system once again, but when these pensions were designed most workers, teachers, firefighters, what have you, worked until 55 or 60 and died on average at 65. Now they live in retirement almost as long as they worked. Of course the system is going to break. The question is what do we do about it? Are the current retirement ages reasonable and achievable? Can we really afford to put cops on pension at 50? These numbers aren’t perfectly accurate but they are close enough, many defined benefit employees can now expect to live as long on pension as they did working. You need some spectacular compound growth to make that work.

Meanwhile the greens are shutting down the oil pipelines so there isn’t any growth coming from there. Hey Mayor of Montreal, I have an idea for you! If there isn’t enough in it for a pipeline to go across Quebec, maybe there isn’t enough in it for Alberta to keep bailing out Bombardier! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

#120 rainclouds on 10.12.17 at 7:52 pm

#102 knee

your hero was asked several times to tone down the insulting generalizations which seems to be creepily similar to your writing style.

Let it go …..

#121 Minimum Wage Woes on 10.12.17 at 7:58 pm

So another day, another survey.

I can’t site the source but I saw one guy on the news saying the $15 dollar minimum wage, well something like 80% of the benefit is going to families that are already middle class. This is because the majority of people working for that minimum wage are students! They don’t need to support a family it’s spending money and on-the-job training.

This further supports my belief that raising the minimum wage to $15 dollars is about increasing tax revenues, not bettering the plight of the poor. Even if these students manage to stay under the $17,000 per year radar, they’ll spend more on latte’s and the new x-box, so sales taxes go up.

So I knew a guy who started at minimum wage plus tips as a a bartender and eventually was making $100,000 plus bonus a year as the restaurant manager. That’s what these jobs are supposed to do. Unfortunately he lost his job because he couldn’t stop sleeping with the waitresses. But the minimum wage isn’t going to fix that, it was a self imposed problem.

Anyway, I am not too concerned about the minimum wage. It is apparently enough to afford a large number of tattoos, so much so that many of these kids are running out of skin. That $hit ain’t cheep. They aren’t broke. I would never consider spending my money on that sort of thing. Heck I think $25 for a hair cut is too much. Now maybe it’s because I’ve saddled myself with other unnecessary expenses like new tires and brakes for the car, tuition for the kids, food, rent, etc. But tattoos? They aren’t going to make the budget and anyone that has a bunch doesn’t need more money.

#122 common sense on 10.12.17 at 7:58 pm

If you have time Wolfstreet.com finally had to post a list of guidelines to follow this week about posting that was well thought out and hopefully reduces the number of offside comments.

#123 Big al on 10.12.17 at 7:59 pm

If it’s that one person who was posting like crazy..Millenial something in his name then then good.

Man that person was soooo annoying..and I am a Millenial myself.

Man. So annoying. So good Garth for punting that person.

#124 Dolce Vita on 10.12.17 at 8:03 pm

I’ll probably get deleted for this but:

#102 I’m Taking a Knee for SCM

You’re fired!

I’m sorry #102, but I could not resist the latest Cdn. MSM headline story I saw today on the CBC and CTV video streams…that I fast forwarded thru but unfortunately, not fast enough.

No one is 100% perfect, just remember that. We all do the best we can. And, it is always easy to throw stones at a glass house, harder to build one.

#125 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 8:08 pm

#94 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:47 pm

Totally agree, I read it already.

Id prefer a lower tax world where a huge part of peoples decisions to have children isn’t the cost. Maybe even an intelligent government that uses incentives for their own citizenry to have children, like Putin is doing in Russia. (thats not an endorsement for all you liberal pearl clutchers, even a broken clock is right twice a day.)

I would argue that the main reason for the decline in birthrate is the governments fault. By continually raising taxes while also continuing to spend like there is no tomorrow, it has left the modern family with very few options but to have both parents working. It wasn’t that long ago that a milkman could have afford to have a family. Not to even mention all the other ways the government has fiscally screwed the citizenry. Sure some people would still choose not to, but I don’t think we would have a negative birthrate. Im 34 and I honestly don’t know anyone that doesn’t want more children, money is the biggest obstacle. This is a government created problem, I don’t believe there is a government solution.

Additionally the looming threat of tens of thousands of jobs being eliminated due to automation, self driving cars, drone delivery etc etc. I think in our very near future there will be a pretty severe bottleneck where there is just no way to gainfully employ the amount of people we will have here. Assuming Im right, what happens then?

Alas TnT, although I disagree with the man I respect Garth and his wishes, after today I wont mention this topic again.

#126 Stone on 10.12.17 at 8:13 pm

#111 AJ on 10.12.17 at 7:22 pm
Hi Garth- *So* appreciate you and all the (non toxic) blog dogs. Insert heart emoji here.

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I feel exactly the same way.

For those who support SCM and feel there’s injustice (I don’t see that there ever was), there’s nothing stopping SCM and his/her supporters to have their own blog. That blog can be by their own rules. I’ll stay here though, thank you very much. I enjoy the intelligent wit and humour of this blog’s author (as well as the 2 Saturday sidekicks) and the non-toxic blog dogs.

#127 Minimum Wage Woes on 10.12.17 at 8:14 pm

Oh and 2 more points to consider:

1. All of the people who are currently unemployed at whatever the minimum wage now is will continue to be unemployed when the minimum wage goes up. They aren’t worth hiring now. They won’t be worth hiring for more. Instead what will happen is a whole bunch of people that can be hired now will no longer be employable.

2. Minimum wages make no sense tested to the extreme and it distorts market forces. For example, if $15 dollars is good, why isn’t $20 better? Or maybe $40? Why shouldn’t the minimum wage be $100/hour? Ok, so we can all admit $100 is too much, but what made $15 just right? Votes, is all. Lots of student votes.

#128 Anton on 10.12.17 at 8:16 pm

Prices in Edmonton, are rising, according to Royal LePage House Price Survey.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/10/12/average-edmonton-house-prices-rising-survey-indicates

Also, just for reference.
http://www.sciencebrainwaves.com/the-dangers-of-self-report/

#129 the Jaguar on 10.12.17 at 8:16 pm

Article in the newspapers here today about a home builder in Alberta looking for a buyer and as many as 80 homes in Calgary area alone (never mind Edmonton, etc) where all work has been stopped. I guess the buyer deposits would be protected by warranty insurance, but what a stressful situation for everyone involved, especially the buyers of those homes. It reminds me of previous blog posts about how ‘sticky’ prices were in Calgary given the oil and gas downturn. But maybe they were ‘sticky’ because with lower valuations and high leverage many simply were not in a position to sell. And maybe downsizing isn’t an option when you can’t qualify for a smaller new home because you are not working. Developers can puff themselves up and loudly declare the marketplace is robust, but reality seems to have caught up with at least one of them. I wouldn’t mind seeing a photo of those straw people you have in front the Bellfountain Store, Garth. I hope Bandit is not going to made to suffer the indignity of any Halloween costume come Oct. 31st.

#130 Porsche on 10.12.17 at 8:18 pm

Working with an American from Tennessee right now, accent and all. Pretty laid back, low key fella.

Well we got into American politics and holy shit, did I see him go into high gear. LOL

I think it started when I asked him what he thought of Trump and he simply answered in low key… I voted for him.

The guy just absolutely despises the Dems… They have totally destroyed our country from Obama Care (his deductible is now 12K)… to the ghettos saying breed breed and will all be looked after… to the 80 year old cronies in the house and senate that won’t die.

We were having lunch and I was laughing so hard it was trouble keeping my Big Mac in my mouth

Oh man… it was good.

#131 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 8:20 pm

#102 I’m Taking a Knee for SCM on 10.12.17 at 6:48 pm
I have to disagree Garth.

The spirited and acerbic comments by SCM, with often quite intelligent back arguments and source material, were a welcome change to the status quo of this comments section dominated by white males of a certain age and social strata.

You tolerate a horrendous amount of Trump populism and alt-right conspiracy crap on here already.

Even more so, the woman-hate on here is disgusting and revealing of all. Bill O’Reilly, Jian Ghomeshi and Harvey Weinstein would be comfortable reading the woman-related comments here most days. (Yes, and do not delete that Garth, because it is true!)

*It is fascinating how many have taken digs at SCM and called that person “she” – a clear inference that being a female or being called such would be insulting and inferior, subordinate to the males here.

Very revealing, and you tolerate it.

SCM is one of the harbingers of the very real differences about to envelop society, between the establish and the struggling younger set.

Your response to ban is rather Trumpian in tone and self-righteousness, Garth.

I would not take much comfort if I were you, from the slavish devotion of the acolytes posting here today in support of you.

Could be a ‘jump-the-shark’ moment if you are not careful………..
…..

What is this? Parliament? and Garth is the speaker. If there is dog you disagree with take them on. Don’t start complaining to the Alpha Hound.

PS been to the general store. Garth wears cowboy boots. Just waiting for the SJW to put cowboy boots in the cross hairs. The PC fascism need to stop now.

#132 Mark on 10.12.17 at 8:21 pm

#13 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:06 am
I do apologize if my late night bourbon inspired rants cause some greef. Rehab Nov 1st. Be off line for a month then I should be a ok.

We’re here for you SM – get well!

#133 conan on 10.12.17 at 8:29 pm

#75 Calgary Rip Off on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

You should take religious studies at university, if this topic interests you. Most of the people that I know who did this come away with the same conclusion. It is all man made gobbly goop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhtnB6kSCyA

#134 TnT on 10.12.17 at 8:29 pm

Toronto Home Price To Income Ratio would take 41 years to catch up.

Toronto home prices had a huge run over the past 18 months, sending home prices very high, in a very short period of time. In fact, mega bank UBS now calls it the riskiest real estate bubble in the world.

The current home price to income ratio is 9.56, and we’ll assume Toronto doesn’t crumble after a correction, so a support would hold.

At 30% lower, we get a support ratio of 6.69.

If home prices stay flat, and incomes grow at a similar rate to how they’re growing today – it would take 41 years.

#135 Entrepreneur on 10.12.17 at 8:30 pm

Maybe put those “Helpful Reminders From Your Forum Host, Garth Turner” at the top too. The first one at the end says to “Please submit only once!” but ignored so often. I think that will clear some of the annoyance and straight to the point of discussion.

And make the blogger “get to the point” with less emotional writing/typing.

“You dance with angels and save souls. God bless you.” #108 dave in Kincardine…so true and we are so thankful and grateful.

#136 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 8:38 pm

Sorry Garth, I have to reply.

#107 Smartalox on 10.12.17 at 7:02 pm

Great little tug on the heart strings, but you in no way offered any sort of solution. Should we bring every single person that has a worse standard of living than us into Canada? That would be what, 95% of the world? How would that work?

#109 KLNR on 10.12.17 at 7:13 pm
I honestly don’t even know. I think my great great great great grandfather was Irish.

Back then: Here have a parcel of land covered in thick bush, btw its really cold in the winter, so best of luck!

Now we live in a very advanced modern society where the government has an incredible generous welfare program (paid by taxpayers) as well as limited opportunities for growth; additionally the possibility of automation taking away tens of thousands of jobs. I never said anyone was better than anyone else, simply pointing out we may have enough people to worry about already here.

You are simply not comparing apples to apples here KLNR, but please continue to virtue signal to your hearts content.

#137 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 8:40 pm

#132 Mark on 10.12.17 at 8:21 pm
#13 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:06 am
I do apologize if my late night bourbon inspired rants cause some greef. Rehab Nov 1st. Be off line for a month then I should be a ok.

We’re here for you SM – get well!

Nov 1st is still a bit away. So I still have time to make a complete ass of myself. On a bozze reduction schedule, withdrawl at my level of consumption can be fatal. Remember last year when I was hospitized. Cold Turkey smokes and booze. Inches from death.

Thanks for the support.

#138 akashic record on 10.12.17 at 8:42 pm

# 91

Immigration levels have been consistent at less than 1% of the population annually. Without it our natural population would decrease and economic activity along with it. Currently demographics are not our friend. For proof look at Japan, where immigration has been seriously restricted and the economy has been a walking disaster for three decades as the population ages.

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Garth echoes the mainstream dogma of the economic and financial system premised on perpetual growth.

In this simplistic model if everything worked economically optimally and everyone lived like Germans, we need the resources of 3 Earths.

It would be impossible, of course, even with the modest German lifestyle. If the entire population consumed like Australians, we needed the resources of 5.4 Earths.

https://mishtalk.com/2017/05/04/earth-overshoot-how-sustainable-is-population-growth/

Strangely enough the the currently popular declining population phobia is not necessarily supported by facts:

“If the population is declining from non-war, we have a well-studied natural experiment in the Black Plague. Which is generally credited with the “take-off” of the West. Because if the population declines by a third while capital including arable land stays the same, you get a surplus. Same resources divided by fewer people.”

https://mises.org/blog/population-decline-catastrophic

Since the economy of perpetual growth is unsustainable, we need to explore an other economic reality:

“The inevitable deceleration of population growth was the trigger that turned central bankers into pushers offering ever cheaper credit. The lower rates drove unsustainable rates of consumption absent even further rate cuts and likewise drove overcapacity which likewise needed even lower rates. But negative rates of NIRP are simply no longer under the heading of capitalism (a market that doesn’t value capital likely isn’t capitalism?!?). When we’ve clearly changed “ism’s”…we’ve crossed the Rubicon.

What happens as population growth turns to population decline is honestly and literally a complete and total game changer. A flat to declining number of buyers and consumers opposite ramping elderly sellers plus their unfunded liabilities is a problem with no happy resolutions. Currencies (what will constitute “money”), “free-markets”, and perhaps the basis of civilization hang in the balance of the transition from high population growth to potential outright depopulation.

I believe this is the correct lens through which to view and understand why growth is perpetually weakening, why commodity overcapacity and slowing demand will only accelerate, why the Treasury market continues to see “buying” despite the near total absence of buyers (Treasury Mystery), why equities are a “buy” (but for all the wrong reasons), and why precious metal valuations are so extremely suspect in the face of a monetary onslaught. ”

http://econimica.blogspot.com/2016/04/overpopulations-depopulations.html

If declining population doesn’t really result in economic perils, why are politicians desperate to maintain this myth so vehemently, that any discussion about it is seen as violating a sacred taboo, that immediately brings up the accusation of “racism” or other nasty labels?

The answer is gaining and maintaining political power, by continuously increasing future voter base, with well predictable political preferences.

Political parties which are less likely to benefit directly from immigration are simply subject to the same taboo that governs handling the entire topic.

#139 Long Branch Apprentice on 10.12.17 at 8:43 pm

Why do I get the feeling very few blog dogs have ever been in a real fight?

Call it a hunch.

#140 Long Branch Apprentice on 10.12.17 at 8:50 pm

Finally downloaded the Electrum BTC wallet today.

Need blog dog input on trading BTC to USD or even XAU.

Can I do it on MT4? If it sounds crazy that guarantees the reward will be worth it.

The problem with us Millennials? We can not weight risk to reward. A generation raised on bumper pads at the bowling alley cannot accurately judge the Risk to Reward paradigm that governs the universe.

No way around it, it’s like the Speed of Light.

A great bifurcation is coming to my generation, between people that know what that word means and those who can’t read.

#141 Stone on 10.12.17 at 8:55 pm

#113 Slowly saving on 10.12.17 at 7:29 pm
Garth,

I just wanted to say thanks for all the knowledge you pass on through the blog. I have a small amount of savings in registered accounts, certainly nothing to write home about. Holding ETFs that are diversified, *simple* and sitting on 7.89 and 9.78% for the year. Achieved through reading this blog & I think that’s pretty awesome.

So thanks, please keep it up. I really appreciate it.

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Good to see some readers get it. Good for you. You have me beat on the YTD return as I’m trailing you closely at 7.78%. I completely agree. I’ve learned so much from this blog on taking a more passive approach to investing and spreading the risk out. I still like tracking it daily though and updating my spreadsheet just to see how things are going even though I shouldn’t. But hey, I love looking at it even when it goes down (because I know it won’t stay there). I think this is one of the only places where we can discuss investing and others get it. The pitfalls of real estate too but investing and growing your wealth is #1. LOL

#142 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 8:56 pm

Garth you throwing in the towel. It’s almost 9pm

Can’t say I blame you. The Soros globalist agenda to divide and polarize the population is working. Now his pack of rabid dogs are coming after you.

Back tomorrow. Deal with it. – Garth

#143 Victor V on 10.12.17 at 9:05 pm

British Columbia eyes ‘all options’ to cool Vancouver housing market, finance minister says

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2017/10/11/british-columbia-eyes-all-options-to-cool-vancouver-housing-market-finance-minister-says.html

#144 akashic record on 10.12.17 at 9:06 pm

#139 Long Branch Apprentice on 10.12.17 at 8:50 pm

Finally downloaded the Electrum BTC wallet today.

Need blog dog input on trading BTC to USD or even XAU.

Can I do it on MT4?

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Forex brokers offer Bitcoin trading as a form of CFD trading, which means that no Bitcoins are actually owned. Traders only make money from price fluctuations on the asset without actually owning the asset.

You don’t need Electrum for that, only if you actually own or want to own BTC.

#145 Bytor the Snow Dog on 10.12.17 at 9:08 pm

What the f’s going on here? I miss reading one day, one post on the blog and CHAOS breaks loose.

It won’t happen again.

#146 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:16 pm

#141 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 8:56 pm
Garth you throwing in the towel. It’s almost 9pm

Can’t say I blame you. The Soros globalist agenda to divide and polarize the population is working. Now his pack of rabid dogs are coming after you.

Back tomorrow. Deal with it. – Garth
……

I hope all is well, this is not like you. Deep down you know every last dog on here loves ya.

Be well.

#147 rknusa on 10.12.17 at 9:24 pm

http://www.bnn.ca/canadian-housing-having-goldilocks-moment-royal-lepage-1.881990

talk about spin

#148 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.12.17 at 9:40 pm

it’s the people, not the Government.
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Only in so much as the truism that the amount of tyranny you live under is the exact amount that you allow to exist.

#149 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:41 pm

Beware CEOs of fortune 500 companies. The chic has come home to roost. I meant roast. And deservedly so.

First Hollywood
Now Amazon.
Who’s next. I LOVE IT.

Do I publish the notes frim chics on the trade floor who told me there stories or will they finally grow a set of balls and be equal and do it them selves. There is a reason I’m on the bay street shit list.

Ladies go for it. Its Now or never.

#150 Lost...but not leased on 10.12.17 at 9:42 pm

Some $#%^&* deleted the last blog which contained some of my best %$^& comments written by one of the best %$#@ doppelganger ghostwriter I could get under the TFW program.

The only benefit is I am doubly insured for such disasters,and with my $#^* offshore accounts I can write off the loss at some exaggerated amount.

What a #$%^ waste….

#151 TnT on 10.12.17 at 9:42 pm

#141 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 8:56 pm

Please read George Soros work before slagging him and his agenda.

What is it exactly that you disagree with his Open Society agenda?

Do you give any thought on his experience coming from Hungary at the time of Russian oppression?

His Open Society is the biggest threat to Communism and yet you lump him with every SJW Post Modern movement.

With all this time on your hands you should invest in acquiring more depth of knowledge in this subject instead of regurgitating the “talking points” from the opposing side.

#152 Grace on 10.12.17 at 9:43 pm

Please get rid of the daily drunkenness and racism.

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#153 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.12.17 at 9:47 pm

TNT said about the current generation about to take the reigns: This is a very educated Generation, so name calling will not work.
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Not educated, brainwashed. Not skilled, totally dependent on others. And as for name calling; names are the only thing they respond to; names, groups, victim identity nomenclature, ism’s to the extreme. They know no truths, hold no logic and haven’t the ability to reason. And the crying shame of the whole thing is that it’s true that it is now the time when the boomers must pass the baton but those who must pick it up and run with it are totally unprepared for the task.

#154 Wait There on 10.12.17 at 9:48 pm

I was discussing with someone today something not too dissimilar. He puts on a regular youtube video every few days or so on technical topics. One day he puts up a video with how he is enjoying his time with his grandson for a “break” from the norm. Can you believe someone puts on a dislike on that video. Now the topic was different and you did not enjoy it, then no need to like or comment. However when someone puts up a dislike then you have to wonder.

Social media these days place the “likes” and “dislikes” all over the place. Is this polarizing or what?
It is all too easy to place a dislike if something does not grab your fancy. But it is not justified.

People then get used to dislike and then…that slope to hate is very slippery.

I am very uneasy about this because whether people realize it or not, social media is doing society harm at this moment. It has gotten out of hand and creates super herding mentality with people. No one can be an individual anymore. You must fit in and either you are one of us or you are not. Like and Dislike.

I fear despite this place not being social media, it is the tip of the iceberg of what is now floating around. This social media thing is now diffusing into the behavior and thought patterns of many. People don’t think anymore, they just herd around the likes and everything else is dislike….and that ends up to everything in life.

#155 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:54 pm

Male executives of big corps. I’ve always advicated short term rentals for the crime of having an over active prostate gland. But no. Power and a free bee makes it feel better. V for victory.

Should have listened. Now every spurned lover is coming after you. And you’re going to lose.

Dr Smoking Man
PhD Herdonomics
I’m a feminist now. Thanks T2 for paying the way.

#156 Royal City Dweller on 10.12.17 at 9:56 pm

LIES AND MORE LIES

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/house-prices-up-28-year-over-year-royal-lepage-report-1.3629656

What are they smoking?

#157 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 9:58 pm

#151 Grace on 10.12.17 at 9:43 pm
Please get rid of the daily drunkenness and racism.
..

Why can’t you engage me directly. What are you afraid of debating an illirate drunk. It should be a slam dunk with your education vs a drunken rivit bucker.
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#158 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.12.17 at 10:00 pm

@#98 Hypocrite, #102 I Kneel before SCM, 151 Grace

Well I see three people that need to brush up on their “Reading and comprehension” skills.

Newsflash folks!

Its a financial blog.

Delving into “investing”, “real estate” and (horrors!) how to become financially stable.

Social Justice Warriors….seeking applause….. should seek out a more receptive audience……elsewhere.

#159 tccontrarian on 10.12.17 at 10:07 pm

“There is always a reason. Differing views are welcomed. View that differ and hang off an ad hominem argument are not.” — Garth
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I don’t think you can honestly say that “differing views are welcomed”. When have your replies ever shown this, regarding the (real) possibility that we’re on the verge of punishing bear market – as several of my previous links have alluded to?

“Dismissive” is more like it. Not that I’m overly sensitive about it but let’s call a ‘spade’ a spade, shall we?
TCC

ps still, I value the existence of this blog and your tireless dissemination of wisdom – whether we’re all in agreement or not.

#160 n1tro on 10.12.17 at 10:09 pm

Would you look at all the SCM groupies taking a knee…

Tell the rest of us where the “balance” was when SCM blamed his/her/it problems in life on immigrants (getting the 1st ban)?

Where was the “balance” when making the conspiracy call that the TFSA (which Garth brought in for Canadians) was a ploy to help the rich?

Think SCM is a prodigy? Then adopt him/her/it, better yet hire the person as I’m sure someone like that would add to the diversity is our strength pool of skilled labor.

#161 Chaddywack on 10.12.17 at 10:16 pm

I’m proud that in all the years I’ve been coming here I’ve only had one comment “DELETED.”

It’s kind of like getting a speeding ticket when you’re a good driver. A real wow moment.

The difference is in the real world I can fight a speeding ticket in court. Here Garth is the judge, jury, and executioner!

Govern yourselves accordingly……

#162 dakkie on 10.12.17 at 10:19 pm

NWO On The March: A Call to Rebellion for Ontario Legal Professionals
http://investmentwatchblog.com/nwo-on-the-march-a-call-to-rebellion-for-ontario-legal-professionals/

#163 here on 10.12.17 at 10:21 pm

Go Garth

#164 Mexicanadian on 10.12.17 at 10:22 pm

#67 IHCTD9 on 10.12.17 at 2:41 pm
I can’t think of any better way other than packing up and leaving.
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Well said brother.
Thank god i left last year while the going was good. Still good to go now i think aswell depending on yur assets, but regardless, it’s always a good time to leave Canaduh.

Was watching TVO today and how the plan to cut services to save money… never mind that dark spot on your lung… to save money they are going to ignore it in the future… they already got your money so keeping you alive will just become an expense… sigh

F cananda. It’s a dead end for anyone who thinks the government and their taxes will be there for them when the need them. haha

#165 Ace Goodheart on 10.12.17 at 10:24 pm

Populism is an interesting thing. It is usually found along with other isms in society. It usually leads to more isms, and then the type of catastrophic events that form the backbone of modern history writing.

The nearest it could be compared to would be a form of collective mental illness. Sort of like a plague of the memes. A meme sickness. Like if certain memes got cancer and then killed all the healthy ones.

While the liberal socialists sit back and enjoy their accomplishments, the following happens:

1. The republic becomes increasingly weak and underfunded. Drowning in debt. Unable to support its own weight.

2. Weird and dangerous stuff grows underneath. It grows in the stench of impossibility. The only thing stronger than fear, is hope. Take away hope, and you have populism.

3. The republic will collapse. What emerges is again, the stuff that history books are written about. It is happening right now.

We do not understand history, we are far too optimistic about the present, and we are horrible at predicting the future. All the signs are there. Someone just has to notice….

#166 Animal lover on 10.12.17 at 10:29 pm

Respect. Thanks for all of your efforts to keep this blog going. I’ve learned so much. I appreciate the challenge it must be to keep the comments section going, and I have found many of them valuable and/or amusing over the years. With or without them, I will follow you daily regardless. However I could not do without the wonderful animal pictures. That would be a dealbreaker : )

#167 TnT on 10.12.17 at 10:31 pm

#136 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 8:38 pm

additionally the possibility of automation taking away tens of thousands of jobs.

You are correct about this being a serious issue that is not being discussed openly.

Our Ontario Gov is piloting the guaranteed minimum income program in part (I believe) the oncoming mass employment disruptions due to AI & Automation.

Half the population have an IQ of 100 and less.

Big changes incoming…..

#168 Smoking Man on 10.12.17 at 10:46 pm

Bay street girls. Timing is everything.
I’m done but you have a chance if you do what’s right.

https://youtu.be/vx2u5uUu3DE

#169 TnT on 10.12.17 at 11:07 pm

#152 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.12.17 at 9:47 pm

TNT said about the current generation about to take the reigns: This is a very educated Generation, so name calling will not work.

****

I should have said academically educated

There needs to be a discussion that’s not being had on campus. SJW shuts them down, Professors too spineless to stand up.

Your right about the “names” too, identity politics.

All these issues are learned behaviours too, so who raised this generation?

#170 Marc-Streetsville, Ontario on 10.12.17 at 11:24 pm

Your awesome Garth!
Thank you once again for everything you do for Canadians.
Keep up the great work.

#171 Oft deleted much maligned stock.picker on 10.12.17 at 11:25 pm

I think what you’re trying to say but can’t is that liberal political correctness, the degenerate ideologies of pluralsm from the likes of George Soros have infected our populations natural bonds and rythyms established over millions of years of social evolution and that these fart catching zealots are fighting tooth and nail to enforce their ideology of hating free speech and now it’s really really hard to speak the truth anymore.

Actually, no. – Garth

#172 bdwy sktrn on 10.12.17 at 11:34 pm

don’t bet against america…

#96 Dolce Vita on 10.12.17 at 6:01 pm
Having lived in Italia now for almost 4 years you realize how obsessed Canada is with America and in unhealthy ways.

I still watch The National everyday and CTV local news from some of the cities I lived in. You get more news in 1 day about America from these networks than I do here in Italy in a few weeks. At times I think I’m watching NBC and not CBC, the same goes for the local news.

Economically, we should pay attention to America, for example NAFTA, how their economy is doing, their stock markets for investing etc.

Where we are obsessed, in an unhealthy way, is with their internal politics, events and culture. They barely register a blip (as does Trump) here in Italy.

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come on man you can do better than that.
we get near zero news on france, germany or brussels, do you?
usa is slightly closer to canada and amazon italia doesn’t deliver to east van.
nobody forcing you to watch or care.

we are, after all, america’s hat.

and i’m thankful every day for the ‘trump show’, politics will never , ever, be so entertaining again.

#173 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.12.17 at 11:35 pm

What puzzles me is how many posters believe that Smoking Man is a real person.
Sorry, to break it to you, but he’s a SuperTroll, a figment of your imagination, not worthy of your empathy.

#174 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.12.17 at 11:37 pm

Garth,
I think there is a symbiotic relationship between you and the blog dogs.

#175 steerage steward on 10.12.17 at 11:43 pm

Trolling should be high art. Shame Garth has too put up with less. We thank him

some kind of functioning honour system

#176 bdwy sktrn on 10.12.17 at 11:53 pm

#172 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.12.17 at 11:35 pm
What puzzles me is how many posters believe that Smoking Man is a real person.
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real person or not, i’d recommend NOT doing rehab.
some people should get loaded every day, it seems.

father in law , as well as a friends spouse, are deep in the pits of alzheimer’s . 100x worse than any death from daily vices, jd and export A’s, even sugar.
live hard and take your chances.

#177 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.12.17 at 11:56 pm

Thank you for being lenient, Judge Garth.

#178 bdwy sktrn on 10.13.17 at 12:25 am

…and to insist that the reason that ethnic group speculates in real estate, is because of their ethnicity.
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cough, itali…n/chine… , cough cough.
good for them i say. speculating in equities is far, far more dangerous.
is it wrong to say that because someone is really good at hockey, he is probably canadian???

#179 Smartalox on 10.13.17 at 12:33 am

@ ryguy #136:

No need to take ‘everyone’, but those that have the courage and the hustle to want to do better for themselves and their families will fit in just fine with me and all my friends.

I was working with a bunch of ‘newcomers’ myself this week, helping some of my recent immigrant co-workers study for their Canadian citizenships tests. You’d like ’em: a handful of Irish, a Brit and his wife, a Kiwi, an Aussie, and Serb: all thrilled to be here, and all happy to contribute.

It’s a tough test; I figure that if they had to write it, a good number of Canadian-born people would flunk it.

Still, they’re probably the ones who get all worked up over American politics – maybe they’d be happier in the US anyway!

Why don’t you move out and make some room?

#180 Nonplused on 10.13.17 at 12:35 am

#172 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.12.17 at 11:35 pm
What puzzles me is how many posters believe that Smoking Man is a real person.
Sorry, to break it to you, but he’s a SuperTroll, a figment of your imagination, not worthy of your empathy.

Garth has photos. I never met either of them but I believe Garth at least is real.

Anyway I don’t know that I have ever replied to Smoking Man and I don’t think he’s ever replied to me. We are in different time zones so he’s usually a bit ahead of me in the whiskey department. I catch up but not until he’s gone to bed.

#181 Dave on 10.13.17 at 12:42 am

I come here for the comments as well as the blog post. I like about 25% of the comments, gives insight to how other like minded twits are thinking. I skip over the following:
1. Really long comments,
2. ones that think they are creative when they twist a politician’s name to rudely resemble a demeaning word (e.g. Kristy Clark for Christy Clark)
3. Those stupid “first” posts which are often fourth anyways
4. Those posts that praise smoking man and don’t offer value (I think smoking man has aliases and is praising himself)
5. Any rude posts as Garth mentioned

Let’s keep the comments insightful or tastefully opinionated. I like the posts that challenge Garths right wing Mr. Wonderful-like mentality, but it’s hard to argue against today’s post.

#182 Chelsea on 10.13.17 at 12:47 am

Good points Garth. Yes, individuals have freedom of speech, and within reason. Swearing and profanity anywhere is below anyone standards.

Have to say Trump is the best President the USA have had for some time. Unfortunately, not many of our family members agree. That’s fine with me … we live in a country of free speech, and everyone is entitled to express themselves. There is no law in Canada, not yet, that speaking our minds is forbidden. Just mind the p’s and q’s …. that’s all blogdogs!

Cheers!

#183 kommykim on 10.13.17 at 1:01 am

RE: #155 Royal City Dweller on 10.12.17 at 9:56 pm
LIES AND MORE LIES
http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/house-prices-up-28-year-over-year-royal-lepage-report-1.3629656
What are they smoking?

Rolled up $1000 bills!

#184 Bat Guano on 10.13.17 at 1:54 am

Any time I post anything regarding immigration and its impact on Canadians, it is deleted. Guaranteed. My friends report the same experiences.

It just happened again 2 days ago. It was a thoughtful and respectful post asking whether immigration has helped our Canadian children or hurt them with regards to entering university, getting jobs, and purchasing homes.

Didn’t even show up. Even though my father fought for our country and its freedoms in WW2 – including freedom of speech – any discussion on 1/4 million immigrants per year is disallowed here.

Makes me wonder how many others are also censored.

#185 Karma on 10.13.17 at 2:21 am

#72 Dissident on 10.12.17 at 3:50 pm
“If everyone here watched at least one episode of the extremely liberal, hilariously accurate and warm-hearted Millennial romp comedy series “Broad City”, then at least I’d have something in common with y’all. And you’d probably learn something too about feminism, millennial life, urban living, tolerance, race relations…how to score some weed, and how not to wax your pubes :P The world would be a better, squishier place. Peace. #YASQUEEN”

Funny show, indeed. But it also exemplifies what’s wrong with young-ish people. The curly haired one is very funny, but not employable and would be an annoying person in anyone’s life if her character was real. If young women are looking at these types of characters as idols (perhaps like yourself?), then these young women deserve no sympathy for their failures.
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“I mean, let’s face it. This blog could use more women, millennials and minorities to make it more civilized and inclusive (i.e. more representative of the outside reality). Diversity is strength. Hegemony is weakness. That’s not a dis, that’s just an observation.”

Ummm, diversity is strength is just political fodder for the uncritical mind. While some level of diversity is useful, there’s many examples in which diversity is not superior, nor beneficial to society.

#186 Jay (not that one) on 10.13.17 at 4:16 am

Full credit and respect on this point: I’ve been vocally disagreeing with one of your points recently, but every post I’ve made has made it. If you wanted to moderate out messages that disagree you could, but you don’t appear to.

#187 Adrian Australia on 10.13.17 at 4:19 am

The sheep dog is the best. Not am oxymoron

#188 Dolce Vita on 10.13.17 at 5:00 am

#171 bdwy sktrn

“…nobody forcing you to watch or care.”

Precisely. I fast forward thru the US obsession parts, US virtue signaling, US self righteous indignation/screaming on Cdn. MSM and low and behold, I am left with: 10 minutes of Cdn. content (CBC The National)…on a good night. If that’s the hat you want to wear, fine. Not for me. I love video streaming…FF thru it all. No excuse for Cdn. US obsession. It is unhealthy and Cdns. from what I read, mimic them – some standard to live up to they are.

“we get near zero news on france, germany or brussels, do you?”

Pretty much. Usually when they get bombed, a national election, EU Bank, their bad weather coming to Italy or something affecting Italy economically. Recall, Italy has a very strong culture and history and enough crap of its own to deal with such as low GDP, crime, etc., then, there is CALCIO – that, we are obsessed about. So ya, Italy not obsessed with these other countries like Canadians are with the US. Here, if you do not believe me:

http://www.rai.it/

“…and amazon italia doesn’t deliver ”

What? Amazon.com should not be the defining Cdn. excuse for US obsession.

Besides, I have Amazon.it, with Prime incl. TV/Movies AND access to Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.es, all with the SAME logon and password and I buy from them all. And even Amazon.com on rare occasion (turkey trussing needles). €19.99/year for full access to all. And now with CETA, 98% of exports not being dutied anymore, I can buy a lot more things locally for less, like Cdn. Maple Syrup (they have the Vermont stuff too, I buy Cdn. instead).

#189 Dolce Vita on 10.13.17 at 5:25 am

On SCM, HANDS DOWN I agree with Garth.

SCM pretends that Garth is his/her role model and thus, temporarily abides by Garth’s wishes only in so far as that buys a few more posts for SCM to bait others into ridiculous political and/or generational vitriol.

I will not miss that, at all, as it distracts normally very good Commentors from the topic of the day.

A complete waste, of time and diversion of thinking to that which divides us in an unhealthy way.

I will admit the parts I enjoyed was when Garth chastised SCM, then again, a waste of Garth’s time and thinking, SO unnecessary.

Ciao SCM, I will not miss you.

#190 Dharma Bum on 10.13.17 at 7:00 am

Would it be narcissistic of me to believe that I could have been the cause of yesterday’s post being yanked?

Sorry…I was just kidding around.

#191 Jamaican Gal on 10.13.17 at 7:10 am

Garth, thanks for all you do. I have been silently following your blog for many years. Too many to count.

Don’t allow triflers to taint your message.

#192 Grey Dog on 10.13.17 at 9:02 am

188 Dolce Vita
I totally agree with your statement, Thank you. The blogger you spoke about was so toxic I just blew by its comments, they were not worth my time. Although I am very suspicious it is opening other email accounts just to sneak through. Sympathizers of it have suspiciously similar message. Cadence of written word.

Keep up the good work Garth!

#193 Stage Mother on 10.13.17 at 9:14 am

Garth,
Your picture the other day…pug dressed up for Halloween, got me thinking…are you going to post pictures of our pooches dressed for the occasion if we submit them? Or is that just abusing our best friends???

If the dog provides consent, we’re good. — Garth

#194 Ian on 10.13.17 at 9:21 am

SCM will never start a blog. That would take effort.

#195 ANON on 10.13.17 at 9:22 am

It’s led to a polarization we’re now seeing in politics, mirrored in an open blog like this.

That’s why I read the comment section. It gives an indication of where we are in the cycle of inevitability.
I read the blog posts simply because, even if I do not agree with everything said, it is fascinating and witty. And amazingly so, after so many years.

#196 TJ on 10.13.17 at 9:50 am

180 – Dave
You think Garth is right wing?

Wake up man. You watch/listen to too much fake news CBC.

I’d say more, but given your opinion, you can’t be very smart and are probably struggling enough through life. You don’t need some rando on a blog comment section bringing you down even more. Good luck Dave! God knows, you sure could use some!

#197 Ole Doberman on 10.13.17 at 9:57 am

#75 Calgary Rip Off on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

Ive been around 45 years, a short time.

There are many levels of good and evil on this planet. It is my belief that after death you go where you deserve to go, by your thoughts and actions. You are responsible. Jesus the Christ was the ultimate Master in that He was able to talk and care for all types of people and didnt fear death. He was able to be firm and apply His thoughts without being apologetic and yet didnt attack others.

For whoever there is that is struggling out there, I want to share my experience: There is a loneliness that pervades this planet. I have looked everywhere for peace and found much disappointment. In the Scriptures and teachings I find much comfort and from that comfort my survival of day to day trials I will be kept alive.

I highly recommend the Book of Mormon, the Bible, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to all that are depressed, put down, shutout, as it has and to this day has given me comfort. Deep down most angry people are only a few steps above apathy and are fighting to stay alive. Below apathy is death. Why not give these people hope?
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A lot of truth here. I pray Garth finds Jesus before he passes from this lifetime – he’s a good man.

#198 Yanniel on 10.13.17 at 10:04 am

Everyone is an immigrant in America. Anyone who claims otherwise should look at his\her family tree. You might discover a great-great grandfather that came as a stowaway in Titanic and survived the shipwrecking. The only exception might be the Aboriginal people, but even they immigrated at some point to these shores.

Yanniel (real name, not anonymous)

#199 Wes Coas on 10.13.17 at 10:14 am

Amen Garth! If we could all apply that same principle to society as a whole we’d all be better off. Hiding behind a keyboard has made us brave cowards.

#200 Calgary Rip Off on 10.13.17 at 10:18 am

#133 conan

Most of everything is “man made”. As some people would argue there is no God there is more evidence for God than otherwise.

I was at university for 9 years. I have seen in front of me what happens when belief in God is lacking. Death, sooner than later.

I have seen an experienced already what you have explained. I invite you to consider your views. What if you are incorrect in your assumptions about God?

For all the others that are struggling I ask you to consider reading the Bible and Book of Mormon and pray for help. God listens.

#201 the ryguy on 10.13.17 at 10:52 am

#178 Smartalox on 10.13.17 at 12:33 am

So your policy is: “No need to take ‘everyone’, but those that have the courage and the hustle to want to do better for themselves and their families will fit in just fine with me and all my friends.” Great, lets chisel that into stone for everyone, what a brave declaration! I can absolutely see this being drafted into law, fine work citizen.

How colloquial are you? You must have huge pockets full of candies that you just pass out.

Please send me the directions to lollipop puppies & rainbow land, it sounds wonderful!

#202 bdy sktn on 10.13.17 at 10:53 am

 God listens…
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Are you sure?
I think that I’m not the only one who has asked him to help feed the dying , starving thousands of children, many of who will not survive past 6 years old.
It seems he doesn’t give a crap.

#203 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 11:01 am

#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm
Just out of curiosity, can anyone voice the plus side of immigration? Im very anti-immigration and it has nothing to do with racism so please stop with that lazy argument, but why do we need it?

I kindly ask, do not use the “we need it to pay for all the pensions and benefits the government promised”. That is beyond lazy, plus any study shows that the vast majority use way more resources than they ever put in.

I gotta ask, if this was the be-all end-all to a solution for a perfect utopia, why would other countries let them leave?

Trying to be civil here, Im just asking for the argument from the other side?
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Like Garth said, point the finger at Canadians (and any other Western Nation you care to name) as we’ve not managed to produce sufficient offspring to replace ourselves since the 70’s. Government is huge and uber-expensive today compared to the 70’s.

IMHO, much of what is happening now and what is coming down the pipe is the result of our achieving wealth, peace, and prosperity. Big social net, big government, big taxes and high cost of living, produce the “DINK’s” and care-free singles now becoming more prevalent. Lifestyle inflation is at an all time high. Provisions are being made for good living that preclude the expense and time investment previously made for children.

You can expect less and less kids being born in a society that is wealthy and secure, and the opposite in a poor war torn country – that’s just a fact – and it might even be a decree of nature to ensure survival. The less overall stresses in an environment – the less offspring you get.

The real worry IMHO, is that the newcomers continue to “make it” here in Canada. If not, THEN we’ve got a real problem, just ask France about their ethnic ghettos filled with immigrants who are basically screwed. Do we want a pile of aimless unemployed youth on our hands? Do we want them all on government support? It’s a recipe for Urban disaster, and breeds more of same.

If they do make out “fine”, then take heart as these folks are there to pay your CPP, OAS, and fund the government while you are retired. You can’t expect that from today’s Canadian kids, the list of work many of them won’t do is lengthy, and there’s just not enough of them.

Don’t believe any BS about immigration as a social experiment – it’s about the money. Always has been, always will be.

#204 Sus on 10.13.17 at 11:11 am

#102 got to agree about the lack of respect to women bordering on misogyny sometimes seen on this blog – not by Garth, but by a few posters. It would be good for some readers to remember that there’s a broad spectrum of humankind reading this blog.

#205 Cultural elitist on 10.13.17 at 11:19 am

I just want to say, to all of the posters who complain about “unfairly” being censored — why don’t YOU try maintaining a civil discussion forum on the open Internet?
Garth is doing a public service. And working hard at it.
He’s not God, he’s Garth. Cut the guy some slack! You’re not the only poster who thinks his opinion matters.

Thanks Garth — your blog means a lot to me, and a lot of other people. Signs of intelligent life and all …

#206 PastThePeak on 10.13.17 at 12:20 pm

#98 Hypocritical to the Core
#102 I’m Taking a Knee for SCM

You are entitled to your opinions. However, I am not sure you grasp the fact that this is personal blog of Garth Turner – it is not a news organization, or a government inclusivity website. There is no requirement that “all points of view must have equal airtime”.

If what you read here you find offensive, then you don’t have to read it. There are millions of blogs and news websites on the Internet.

“Jump the shark moment” – on a personal blog? Not sure you are as smart as you think you are…

#207 Hillbilly on 10.13.17 at 12:22 pm

To Ryguy
How about you read the book “400 Years of White Trash” good insight into those uninspired folk that have been in North America a couple hundred years that you are currently overlooking, their addictions, their negative attitude to anything new, hence their desire to revisit the 50s MAGA according to Trump.

Immigration = Diversity = A wholesome place to live.

There are pockets of immigrant cultures that are the backbone of many Canadian cities. We just keep evolving.

Look around you, how many immigrant professionals have you dealt with the last few years that are instrumental to you living in comfort today? Check out a classroom and see the enthusiasm of immigrant children wanting to learn. They are the bright future of Canada.

Oh and BTW I betcha my ancestors landed in Canada a few generations before yours! My parents have the crown deed framed and hung up for farm near the 427&401 late 1700s Upper Canada.

#208 29 Feedback on 10.13.17 at 12:30 pm

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They provide ideological policing of society, exactly the same way as totalitarian Communist parties did, with the power of real courts.
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EXCEPTIONAL COMMENTS – YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD !!! For those of us who grew up behind the Iron Courtain this is a 100% mirror image of what we endured, the script was slightly different though, minus the arrests of course, but mark my words they are coming…

The result is the same if you are brought to court and lose your wealth because of a non-PC action or a slip of the tongue…Good natured people like Garth would call this state of things “normalcy”…

But why is it done? Is it just because the PWB are trying to give us COMMUNISM 2.0. under the thinly disguised veil of IdentPol, PC, LGBTQ, etc, etc..

or

more likely to silence any threats that may come to the 0.001% movers and shakers who are running out of options on how to maintain the wealth stolen from the middle-class while bringing marginal groups to the forefront and offering them an easy target.

For the useful “intellectually challenged” out there and the occasional/accidental ideologue, please continue to stay in your coma induced PC bubble, don’t say you didn’t see the blowback coming…

Thank God – nationalism and national identity is making a huge comeback in the West because of the actions of the controllers.

Take a look at T2 in CA or Macron in Fr, in more or less than a year they went from Demigods to losers or looking like silly kindergarten kids, the matrix is running out of options…and then the fun will start…LOL

#209 Renter's Revenge! on 10.13.17 at 12:35 pm

#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm (+Garth)
#94 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:47 pm
#109 KLNR on 10.12.17 at 7:13 pm
#201 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 11:01 am

Immigration prevents inbreeding. Plus swapping genetic material with your neighbors has always been at the center of peace-keeping activities throughout human history.

#210 Eks dee Sipal on 10.13.17 at 12:47 pm

#201 IHCTD9… Correct. Let me take the argument further by proposing another great quasi-syllogism from my unlimited arsenal…

“The problem with crony corporatist capitalism (oligopoly) is that eventually you run out of people to screw over” – XD

In other words, nobody to put at the bottom of the pyramid to sustain the top. Regular variety (stubborn-headed) Conservatives don’t understand this, and probably never will. Reference the $18 per hour menial labour jobs going unfilled in Vancouver. How does a Conservative make sense of that? I honestly want to know.

#211 Eks dee Sipal on 10.13.17 at 12:58 pm

And in case you want to point out the high cost of housing as the cause of the unfilled-way-above-average-per hour jobs in Vancouver, I know of several large corporations in the outer suburbs of the GTA that CANNOT fill their similar paying jobs. People come, work a week, and then leave. These are jobs that most would have killed for only 10 years ago. As a Gen-X I know this to be true. I have difficulty making sense of it.

I have several businesses overseas, in many countries, and I can compare the labour market in China to other places for example. I can tell you first hand, the situation in China now: employee turnover is unprecedented. Workers are picking and choosing where they want to work. It’s not like it was 10, 20, or even 30 years ago.

There was a time when capitalism worked well. If it was implemented genuinely at all, that is. That time is now ending.

#212 Howard on 10.13.17 at 12:58 pm

#207 Renter’s Revenge! on 10.13.17 at 12:35 pm
#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm (+Garth)
#94 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:47 pm
#109 KLNR on 10.12.17 at 7:13 pm
#201 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 11:01 am

Immigration prevents inbreeding. Plus swapping genetic material with your neighbors has always been at the center of peace-keeping activities throughout human history.

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This is true in the US melting pot model.

Not so in the Canadian mosaic model.

#213 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 1:02 pm

#75 Calgary Rip Off on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

I highly recommend the Book of Mormon, the Bible, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to all that are depressed, put down, shutout, as it has and to this day has given me comfort. Deep down most angry people are only a few steps above apathy and are fighting to stay alive. Below apathy is death. Why not give these people hope?

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I keep Matthew 6:25-34 in the back of my mind at all times, and I think everyone should regardless of the level of spirituality involved.

Really, we all already know that the best we can do by being fearful of our circumstance, and worried about the future; is to end up on long term disability high as a kite on some anxiety drugs. Even so, anxiety is a plague in Western society. Hard to find happy folks sometimes.

34 “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

#214 Yuus bin Haad on 10.13.17 at 1:05 pm

I think the pug dressed up for Halloween left with Jennifer.

#215 Howard on 10.13.17 at 1:07 pm

#205 Hillbilly on 10.13.17 at 12:22 pm
To Ryguy
How about you read the book “400 Years of White Trash” good insight into those uninspired folk that have been in North America a couple hundred years that you are currently overlooking, their addictions, their negative attitude to anything new, hence their desire to revisit the 50s MAGA according to Trump.

Immigration = Diversity = A wholesome place to live.

There are pockets of immigrant cultures that are the backbone of many Canadian cities. We just keep evolving.

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Nobody denies this.

What I want to know is…what number is ideal for Canadians, both native-born and existing immigrants?

Is it the current 320,000 per annum? Is it 1 million? Is it 100,000?

We never have this discussion in Canada because it leads to baseless racism charges. People need to keep in mind that immigration is a policy tool intended to benefit existing Canadians. It is not supposed to be a globalist feel-good initiative.

Immigration has been very consistent at approximately 1% or less of the population. The level seems appropriate. — Garth

#216 Smoking Man on 10.13.17 at 1:08 pm

#202 Sus on 10.13.17 at 11:11 am
#102 got to agree about the lack of respect to women bordering on misogyny sometimes seen on this blog – not by Garth, but by a few posters. It would be good for some readers to remember that there’s a broad spectrum of humankind reading this blog.
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Sus, you use the word misogyny too loosely.

It’s meaning “noun
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.”

I’ve seen none of that here. I think you are confusing misogyny with masculine men who are proud to be masculine.

The only thing stopping the globalists confiscation of everything are Masculine western minded men. We are the resistance.

That’s why we see the trans debate raging, it’s a strategy, they want to get the boys young, make them soft and agreeable for the final push for a one world govt that doesn’t give two shits about woman’s rights.

I see the long game as demonstrated many times in the archives

Dr. Smoking Man
Phd Herdonomics
Member of the Proud Boys Society.

#217 Victor V on 10.13.17 at 1:13 pm

Sears Canada gets permission to liquidate all stores, lay off 12,000: Ontario Superior Court heard today that despite weeks of discussion, no viable buyer has been found

http://business.financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/newsalert-sears-canada-granted-permission-to-liquidate-remaining-stores-2

#218 1drs on 10.13.17 at 1:16 pm

When I didn’t see a new post today I thought I would look at the comments section to try to discover what had happened. I see it. The comments section is out of control and whoever SCM is, that person has managed to control the conversation even while being banned. I first came here for the message on housing and investing that Garth so selflessly gave away . Way back then, the comments were about 50/50 on topic and off topic trolling. Now I see that the trolling is really bad with off topic posts being the majority. There even seems to be a Smoking Man fan club. With trolling being banned out of most comment sections on the ‘net we can only expect this to get worse here because of the “generous” disposition of the rules. By “generous” I mean Garth is too kind to the off topic commenters.
I say close the comments section and continue the good work Garth. Reading your blog has made me a wise investor. Reading the comment section has only made me sad for the hate displayed by some of humanity.

#219 Howard on 10.13.17 at 1:18 pm

One other comment on immigration (and thank you Garth for letting this conversation continue).

I think the focus on skilled immigrants is misguided, quite frankly. Some of our most pressing labour needs concern unskilled workers, particularly in agriculture. There was a recent story in the Star about a man from St. Lucia who has been a TFW for the past 37 years (yes, thirty-seven years). He’s 66 and started coming here at 29. He lives in Canada for 6 months of the year working on a farm in southwestern Ontario. He has never been given the chance to become a citizen because he doesn’t have the points. I find this disgraceful. He and his entire family should receive citizenship tomorrow as far as I’m concerned, for his longstanding contribution to the maintenance of our precious food supply.

That’s the kind of immigrant we should strive for. Not millionaire investors. But our policies are geared towards the latter.

#220 Russ on 10.13.17 at 1:18 pm

IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 1:02 pm

#75 Calgary Rip Off on 10.12.17 at 4:00 pm

I highly recommend the Book of …most angry people are only a few steps above apathy and are fighting to stay alive. Why not give these people hope?

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I keep Matthew 6:25-34 in the back of my mind at all times, and I think everyone should regardless of the level of spirituality involved.

… Even so, anxiety is a plague in Western society. Hard to find happy folks sometimes.

34 “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
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Hey Dozer,

Good reference but I like how Bobby McFerrin sums it up, “Don’t worry. Be happy.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ8Avkxv3-4

And grab an ukulele. You cannot play one without smiling.

#221 isuckless on 10.13.17 at 1:29 pm

#201 IHCTD9
Please remember how the most of native people in NA lived before invasion of Europeans. Their population was pretty much the same (or even stagnating) due to low birth rate. Nothing wrong with that as you don’t need 10+ children to work on the fields if you are not stationary more than few years.
The same is now, western nations do not need high birth rates as we already have no idea what to do with the current population due to increased automation. Compare birth rate of rural US/Canada and city population in 1900’s.

BTW, yes if you come to Canada from the Eastern (or so) “block” you can see exactly the same things happening here as back home before you escape.

#222 Smoking Man on 10.13.17 at 1:31 pm

#216 1drs on 10.13.17 at 1:16 pm
When I didn’t see a new post today I thought I would look at the comments section to try to discover what had happened. I see it. The comments section is out of control and whoever SCM is, that person has managed to control the conversation even while being banned. I first came here for the message on housing and investing that Garth so selflessly gave away . Way back then, the comments were about 50/50 on topic and off topic trolling. Now I see that the trolling is really bad with off topic posts being the majority. There even seems to be a Smoking Man fan club. With trolling being banned out of most comment sections on the ‘net we can only expect this to get worse here because of the “generous” disposition of the rules. By “generous” I mean Garth is too kind to the off topic commenters.
I say close the comments section and continue the good work Garth. Reading your blog has made me a wise investor. Reading the comment section has only made me sad for the hate displayed by some of humanity.
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Trust me, there is an even stronger anti-Smoking Man fan club too.

It’s called diversity of opinion. Suck it up and make you’re the point.

#223 jess on 10.13.17 at 1:37 pm

https://danskebank.com/news-and-insights/news-archive/company-announcements/2017/ca11102017

“We have notified the legal entity Danske Bank A/S that it is placed under investigation for the following facts:

Organised laundering of tax evasion and frauds: For having assisted in France and abroad (in particular in Estonia) from 1 January 2008 until 22 July 2011 (date of [company name] account closure) in multiple transactions consisting in investing, hiding, or converting the direct or indirect proceeds of crimes by opening pass-through accounts in order to receive money from organised fraud and tax evasion, and by allowing these accounts to be debited with multiple transactions carried out in the context of set-off mechanisms without any economic justification, in the amount of about 15 million EURO [14 customer names left out], the facts having been committed in an organised manner and through multiple agents, these transactions having no other aim but to hide the final destination of the defrauded funds and to benefit from them abroad after laundering of the funds in opaque circuits.

https://www.ft.com/content/67ef78f0-af65-11e7-aab9-abaa44b1e130?mhq5j=e7

a shell company called Bristoll Export, registered in New Zealand by GT Group

Inside the shell: Drugs, arms and tax scams
https://www.icij.org/offshore/geoffrey-taylor

vanuatu citizenship buy in with bitcoin
The country also has no income, inheritance, or corporate tax.
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#224 I’m stupid on 10.13.17 at 1:49 pm

#217 Howard

I agree with your argument completely if we lived in a perfect world. The sad truth is that, as people of the first world, we have because others don’t. The median household income of the world is about 10k per year.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/166211/worldwide-median-household-income-000.aspx

Globalization is in its infancy, that’s why large corporations are able to profit from cheap labour from struggling societies. The hope is that eventually wealth gets moved around so there aren’t people living on $1 a day. The downside to this is that first world countries will have reduced living standards. This the the double edged sword that we face. Morally everyone knows it’s wrong to have people starving to death but no one wants to give up our food.

#225 Sus on 10.13.17 at 1:53 pm

#214 Smoking Man

Got to disagree with you on the misogyny angle – your definition fits exactly what I sometimes read on this blog. I’m not going to trawl through for examples. Just take it from me, as a woman, that I have been offended by some of the stereotyped and outdated depictions of women that some “masculine men who are proud to be masculine” persist with.

Check out what’s said about old, white guys. Maybe we need a label for that, too. — Garth

#226 Mikey on 10.13.17 at 2:05 pm

I don’t understand how it’s racist to debate the fact that government supresses wage growth by artificially oversupplying labor pools.

Supply and demand.

If there are worker shortages, wages must grow to entice potential hires, whereas we are currently working our way to the lowest global common denominator.

Maybe thats where the growing nationalism sentiment is coming from.

#227 Howard on 10.13.17 at 2:08 pm

#222 I’m stupid on 10.13.17 at 1:49 pm

I didn’t say that Canada become the world’s benefactor.

I’m simply saying that our immigration policy should be a mix of skilled and unskilled, and utilising a more limited TFW scope as a pathway to citizenship. In the case I described the guy’s been working in Canada for 37 years, presumably law-abiding the entire time, and is not able to become a citizen.

Here’s a link to that story : https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/migrants/2017/10/05/hes-worked-legally-in-canada-for-37-years-but-the-government-considers-him-temporary.html

#228 Alex N Calgary on 10.13.17 at 2:16 pm

Crazy! I didn’t see your other post and the reaction. I don’t understand, do people think you are a paid public servant and they are paying for your content? this is a private blog, you give out hard earned time and information, sometimes it favors Turner investments, well of course it does, its a private blog. I don’t always agree with you, and skip over it occasionally but its your OWN blog, you don’t owe me or anyone else anything. You don’t like T2 or small business tax or write that people make 500k a year and have 30Million in investments, thats your business, I don’t want to read it but I won’t criticize you for it.

Kids expect the world, like people owe them something. I would ruthlessly slash comments if they are mean, have someone else do it for you so you don’t have to read hurtful things, people say horrible things to me on youtube videos that I created before, I slash them immediatly but it sometimes lingers in my mind making me upset. Just slash them, this isn’t a democracy, its a private blog, you’ve been very fair, thank you for your free and very useful content!

#229 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 2:16 pm

#207 Renter’s Revenge! on 10.13.17 at 12:35 pm
#91 the ryguy on 10.12.17 at 5:15 pm (+Garth)
#94 TnT on 10.12.17 at 5:47 pm
#109 KLNR on 10.12.17 at 7:13 pm
#201 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 11:01 am

Immigration prevents inbreeding. Plus swapping genetic material with your neighbors has always been at the center of peace-keeping activities throughout human history.
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That’s all true, and intermarriage puts integration on the fast track for sure. BUT, Interracial dating and marriage come with some strings attached.

We already see strong stresses coming to the surface among Men of some ethnicities who are vying to attract Women outside their own race. They’re having serious trouble, and it may be an unfixable problem.

It’s pretty much established that Men of all races consistently care very little about what race Women they date.

Women on the other hand, are solidly racist when choosing who to date, and not only that; but you can actually take a woman and predict which race males she will reject based solely on the race of said woman!

Eg:

Black women far prefer only black men.

White Women far prefer black and White Men

East Asian Women far prefer Asian and White Men

The list goes on study after study, year after year, it’s the same. The end result after all the Women sort through all the Men is that some ethnicities of Men end up getting the shaft in the dating game.

I don’t think we’re going to see the results of this for a while yet, but I think it could be bad – about as bad as anything can get…

#230 James on 10.13.17 at 2:27 pm

#220 Smoking Man on 10.13.17 at 1:31 pm

#216 1drs on 10.13.17 at 1:16 pm
When I didn’t see a new post today I thought I would look at the comments section to try to discover what had happened. I see it. The comments section is out of control and whoever SCM is, that person has managed to control the conversation even while being banned. I first came here for the message on housing and investing that Garth so selflessly gave away. Way back then, the comments were about 50/50 on topic and off topic trolling. Now I see that the trolling is really bad with off topic posts being the majority. There even seems to be a Smoking Man fan club. With trolling being banned out of most comment sections on the ‘net we can only expect this to get worse here because of the “generous” disposition of the rules. By “generous” I mean Garth is too kind to the off topic commenters.
I say close the comments section and continue the good work Garth. Reading your blog has made me a wise investor. Reading the comment section has only made me sad for the hate displayed by some of humanity.
…..
Trust me, there is an even stronger anti-Smoking Man fan club too.
It’s called diversity of opinion. Suck it up and make you’re the point.
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The Smoking Man trolling club sucks in a lot of us. He gets so far off topic and generally insults just about everyone by promoting his immense hatred of teachers, T2, Liberals, NPD and US Democrats. I try to only read the good stuff here and increase my portfolio with wise wisdom from the sages of experience. In general Garths points and various others make a lot of sense. So as usual filter out the noise. Too bad there wasn’t an off switch to filter out blithering drunken rants.

#231 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 2:31 pm

#219 isuckless on 10.13.17 at 1:29 pm
#201 IHCTD9
Please remember how the most of native people in NA lived before invasion of Europeans. Their population was pretty much the same (or even stagnating) due to low birth rate. Nothing wrong with that as you don’t need 10+ children to work on the fields if you are not stationary more than few years.
The same is now, western nations do not need high birth rates as we already have no idea what to do with the current population due to increased automation. Compare birth rate of rural US/Canada and city population in 1900’s.
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You are correct from a “getting the work that needs to be done – done” perspective. But definitely not from the “paying for a massive government architecture” perspective.

Take a bloated government and all the costly services provided by same out of the picture, and population (ie. GDP and Revenue) growth is not required.

It’s all about the money.

#232 IHCTD9 on 10.13.17 at 2:41 pm

#208 Eks dee Sipal on 10.13.17 at 12:47 pm

Correct. Let me take the argument Reference the $18 per hour menial labour jobs going unfilled in Vancouver. How does a Conservative make sense of that? I honestly want to know.

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I think Labour work is going out of style in Urban areas. Lots of it still going on in Rural areas, paying even less too.

I think in today’s Canada, working a labour job carries the same type of stigma as renting! Better to do the basement boogie while working Contracts for the same money.

#233 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.13.17 at 3:59 pm

Smoking Man is My Hero!
I wanna be fan #1!
I love people who stir the pot!
Smoking man is a #1 S**t Disturber!
Right or wrong he has a light bulb in his head!