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When Wayne Long got back to the cute little airport in Saint John this week there was a crowd waiting. Something weird happened. Citizens had come to applaud the guy. ‘Thank you, Wayne,’ they said. And he got a bit choked up.

Long is an MP, elected for the first time two years back in the Trudeau sweep of the maritime provinces. He’s 54, kinda normal and before being elected ran a three-person seafood company, as well as managing the Saint John Sea Dogs hockey club. He went to Ottawa to fight for the Energy East pipeline (which was just nixed) and, silly man, to represent his constituents.

The riding of Saint John-Rothesay has a lot of people like him. Guys who started small businesses because that’s how you get a job. It also has a slew of medical personnel, because of the big regional hospital. Over the summer the message he got from the area was crystal. Ottawa’s plans to seriously increase the tax burden on these folks were ill-conceived.

So when Wayne Long flew back to Parliament Hill he thought his political leaders should spend more time on the issue and that the brief 75-day consultation period had been awful short. When the Tories introduced a motion on Tuesday to extend it, Wayne stood up for the ayes.

Big mistake. What the newbie MP learned is that if you want democracy, don’t go to the House of Commons.

He was scolded Wednesday by the Trudeau party whip, then as punishment stripped of his membership on two Parliamentary committees. The next step, should he again listen to the voters instead of the party, is to be thrown out of caucus. That’s almost always the kiss of political death in a country when people vote for parties and leaders, not local reps. I know.

Being punted, ostracized and outed is a painful, lonely experience. I certainly remember the morning it happened to me. Senior members of the prime minister’s office stood at the back of the caucus room in Centre Block when some appointed executioners – including the minister of finance – took to the microphone to condemn me, my blogging and my damn populism. “Garth Turner is not running an alternative government,” the minister thundered. A lightening vote, amid the confused looks on many colleagues’ faces, and it was done. I was history. Stephen Harper road kill.

What Wayne Long has discovered is that Liberals don’t differ from Conservatives. Trudeau is another Harper. Leaders are leaders. They demand loyalty, obedience and subservience. In Ottawa they believe the role of MPs is to go home and represent the party to the people. But voters believe the role of the elected is to represent them to the government. It’s a major failing of the system which has brought us to this – when a Member of Parliament is punished for voting to listen.

Canada has developed a toxic political culture. In Britain or the US, elected politicians don’t so easily sell out their beliefs, principles or constituents. Leaders have to earn support rather than bully it. Look at the US administration, the variety of opinions openly expressed among Republicans and an icon of independent thought like John McCain. Unthinkable in Canada where party discipline is far more valued in Ottawa than the trust of the people.

This may be why electoral reform died. Trudeau gained power promising it. No more. In the last election the Liberals received 39.4% of the vote and won 54.4% of the seats. If proportional representation were a fact of life, T2 would have gained 50 fewer seats. We’d have a coalition government. And Wayne Long might not be dead meat. Just a local hero.

Yesterday this strange blog highlighted the meteoric rise of Jagmeet Singh of the NDP. Like Trudeau, the media slobbers over him. Young. Muscular. Cool. So the cult of leaders continues. Leaders matter, of course, but they’re not gods. Democracy fails if based on a caucus of eunuchs. When MPs are punished, the voters are trashed.

Wayne Long’s constituents wanted to debate this tax thing more. So he did his job. Thank you.

185 comments ↓

#1 Royal City Dweller on 10.06.17 at 5:52 pm

First.
More to follow

#2 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.06.17 at 5:57 pm

And there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Just darkness.

#3 jim on 10.06.17 at 5:58 pm

The entire concept of a ‘party whip’ is inimical to democracy.

“What Wayne Long has discovered is that Liberals don’t differ from Conservatives”

Or the NDP. Let’s not forget how the NDP treated Svend Robinson when he dared represent some of his constituents.

#4 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.06.17 at 5:58 pm

And if there was a light it would be an oncoming train.

#5 Doug t on 10.06.17 at 5:58 pm

Wayne = good guy
Ottawa = sh*t

This country use to be worth something

RATM

#6 Rural Rick on 10.06.17 at 5:59 pm

Hey is that Bannon in the background?

#7 DD on 10.06.17 at 6:06 pm

Will he be the first floor crosser under Justin?

#8 Loonie Doctor on 10.06.17 at 6:09 pm

Integrity is central to being an effective leader. Wayne has my respect and admiration because he stuck with that in the face of punishment. It is a terrible message to send that leadership will result in being made less effective in our government. Terrible, but not surprising.

#9 Democracy Is Mob Rule on 10.06.17 at 6:18 pm

Meet the new boss

Same as the old boss

The Who – Won’t Get Fooled Again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXrmQBPg2s0

#10 Ian on 10.06.17 at 6:20 pm

Diefenbaker warned about all of this in the late 70s just before he died. He said Canadian democracy was completely broken, committees weren’t working, and unless something changed we were on a bad path.

All of you should read Tragedy In The Commons, which is interviews with ex MPs who talk about what is wrong in Ottawa. It’s brilliant.

The reality is that if we had electoral reform (also read Gaming The Vote), we would only have a majority once in a generation (Dief the Chief 58, Mulroney 84 etc). So a properly functional minority would have to happen.

As an UltraBlue I hated the PMO control by Harper. That’s why I respect Mr Chong and others who are pushing for change. The PMO needs to be way less controlling.

#11 So Long Wayne on 10.06.17 at 6:21 pm

So Long Wayne, you have come a long way.

#12 Sebee on 10.06.17 at 6:22 pm

I’m not sure we should be holding US government as an example here. Super Pacs alone…I mean…wow.

#13 Money Miser on 10.06.17 at 6:22 pm

Sometimes you have to play the game, even if that means going against everything you believe in. That’s probably the end of his political career but at least he has his pride and dignity in tact in his community. I’m sure his hometown will welcome him back with open arms and there’ll be plenty of opportunity for him. It just won’t be in politics…

#14 Bat Guano on 10.06.17 at 6:23 pm

Populism is gaining strength all around the world because leaders are ignoring the people they are supposed to represent.

I could easily name a dozen government policies in Canada in which the vast majority of average people in my neighborhood and community do not agree. This includes immigration, political correctness, taxation, social welfare, multiculturalism, etc. But we all know that freedom is dead. Publicly speak up against the will of the government and falsehoods of the media, and you could be targeted and your life destroyed.

It’s reminding me more and more of life in the communist east during the Cold War. Their media and government lied. The people whispered truths only between trusted family and friends. And we in the west shook our head at the madness.

#15 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.17 at 6:24 pm

And that, in a nutshell, is why “democracy” is a FAILURE in this country.
Lobbyists……not voters…… run the day to day operations of govt.

#16 Ian on 10.06.17 at 6:24 pm

England’s dynamic is awesome. There are all kinds of Conservative MPs who go way off script and it’s normal, and it’s valued. How we took centuries of that system and managed to destroy it does not make us look good to say the least.

#17 Andrewski on 10.06.17 at 6:25 pm

Meanwhile, the NAFTA re-negotiations proceed:

Business group warns of ‘dangerous’ Trump Nafta proposals.

by Andrew Mayeda

The biggest business organization in the U.S. is opposing key proposals by the Trump administration to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement, adding to growing tensions over the ongoing negotiations.

“We’re increasingly concerned about the state of play in negotiations,” John Murphy, senior vice president for international policy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, told reporters Friday in Washington. U.S. businesses are unnerved by proposals by American negotiators to add a five-year termination clause to Nafta, roll back the access of Canadian and Mexican firms to U.S. procurement contracts, and raise so-called rules of origin thresholds to “extreme” levels, Murphy said.

“We see these proposals as highly dangerous, and even one of them could be significant enough to move the business and agriculture community to oppose an agreement,” he said, adding that it’s possible talks with Canada and Mexico may collapse. The fourth round of negotiations takes place Oct. 11-15 near Washington.

The warning is the latest sign that negotiations are on the verge of derailing, less than two months after talks began. U.S. demands on issues such as procurement and textiles were opposed by Canadian and Mexican officials at the last round in Ottawa last month. The industry publication Inside Trade reported Thursday that the U.S. is proposing to raise the minimum for North American content in the auto sector to 85 percent from 62.5 percent, while adding a requirement for 50 percent U.S. content.

Former U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick said Thursday there’s an increasing chance President Donald Trump will make good on this threat to withdraw the U.S. from the 23-year-old accord because it will be difficult for his administration to deliver on promises to reduce the U.S. trade deficit, especially with Mexico. “There’s at least a 50 percent chance that Trump pulls out of this thing over the next year.”

The sides are aiming to secure a deal by year-end before the political calendar fills up next year with Mexican presidential elections and U.S. Congressional mid-terms.

#18 Fish on 10.06.17 at 6:25 pm

@#4 If the train is coming, I would hope on that train, fearless

#19 Prophecy on 10.06.17 at 6:28 pm

Is it hypocrisy that a so-called Feminist government spent over $100,000 in Legal fees at the taxpayer dime, TO DENY AN INDIGENOUS FIRST NATIONS GIRL the right to dental treatment which cost $6,000?

Is it hypocrisy that a so-called feminist government is using upper class white Canadian elitist feminism to squander wealth from low-income immigrant class entrepreneurs and a doctor class which is becoming more racialized men and immigrant women of visible minority status?

Is it hypocrisy that Morneau is using upper class elitist feminism to tax immigrants who own businesses and medical facilities, but his corporation Morneau Sheppel is in the business of assisting his Liberal cronies and Canadian feminist elitist allies in questionable tax avoidance policies?

Is it hypocrisy that the feminist Liberals are against colonization and oppression, but coerce and threaten to withdraw humanitarian aid to low-income people in African countries if those countries do not accept white elitist feminist policy????????

#20 I’m stupid on 10.06.17 at 6:29 pm

All leaders talk the same b.s. but they all crave power. I just wish one day we get a leader that understands that the only way we get a better society is if different opinions come together to make public policy.

I don’t agree with some posters on here but I value their opinion and enjoy the discussion. Democracy lives here not in Ottawa. It’s a shame.

#21 Ian on 10.06.17 at 6:29 pm

The PM is not a ‘man in the high castle’. The PM is merely one of 338 people who have been sent by the public to represent us and we have gone way out of balance on that.

#22 The dude on 10.06.17 at 6:29 pm

People who have no conflict in life have never stood up for anything worth fighting for.
Unlike our silver spoon entitled PM and Finance Minister, Wayne Long has stood up for hard working professionals, farmers, small business owners – regardless of the political consequences to him personally.
Wayne Long is a rock star.
Although being punted, ostracized and outed is a painful experience as you say – the emotional assault is temporary. The ability to sleep well at night knowing you did the right thing lasts for ever.
I have already commissioned the sculptor to start work on the bronze bust for Wayne Long for the MP hall of fame (early planning stages – thinking about Fergus ontario) – BTW Garth when a guy comes by your store to get a plaster cast of your face dont ask any questions.

#23 Marc Roger on 10.06.17 at 6:30 pm

In a curb-side convo with my MP, I told him my biggest concern was excessive spending. His response was that what I mistook to be over-spending was actually brilliant investing. He then bridged to more lines about debt to GDP ratios.
I had to interrupt his message to remind him that he was supposed represent me to Trudeau -and not the other way around. Poor guy seemed genuinely confused.

#24 Freebird on 10.06.17 at 6:31 pm

True leaders command respect, not demand it.

#25 Freebird on 10.06.17 at 6:32 pm

Our PM it seems has bought into his own hype.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice…

#26 Costco Nation on 10.06.17 at 6:33 pm

#18 Fish on 10.06.17
There is one and it has a destination name on it.
POVERTY

#27 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.06.17 at 6:36 pm

This may be why electoral reform died. Trudeau gained power promising it. No more. In the last election the Liberals received 39.4% of the vote and won 54.4% of the seats. If proportional representation were a fact of life, T2 would have gained 50 fewer seats. We’d have a coalition government.
…………………………..
Our “democracy” is lost and we won’t be getting it back. Not in our lifetimes, probably not ever.

#28 DON on 10.06.17 at 6:36 pm

#24 Freebird on 10.06.17 at 6:31 pm

True leaders command respect, not demand it.

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Well put!

Trudeau is a hack! Canadian Political parties are self interested GANGS. Not much different from mafia or street gangs.

#29 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.17 at 6:37 pm

Who cares about the Distinctly Canadian Dictatorial Powers fo a Prime Minister.
We have more important things to discuss.

Successful Ladies in Toronto will be selling their condos enmass to move in with ‘ The One”…..

A life long partner?
An end to their solo existance?
The One?
Perhaps….

https://www.google.ca/url?url=https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/the-one/article36498485/&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjRk9eQht3WAhUQ82MKHeSADA0QqQIIOjAJ&usg=AOvVaw37YwkVPAJCYH-UGKIhWAQB

#30 Victor V on 10.06.17 at 6:38 pm

For those wanting to reach out to Wayne Long, visit his social media sites to show your support.

Follow him on twitter and tweet at him: https://twitter.com/WayneLongSJ
Like him on Facebook and post a comment: https://www.facebook.com/WayneLongSJ/

#31 Dan.t on 10.06.17 at 6:41 pm

Canada needs more people like Long and less trust fund baby puppets.

It is the norm now. Promise something people want, get elected then say, screw you guys, changed our mind, we will do whatever we want…

Trudeau, electoral reform, suckers…
NDP affordable housing in BC…nope, not gonna touch it now,
I m sure you could name hundreds of promises broken but no one remembers when it comes time to vote or do they..

Electoral reform would have been great for Canada, so trust fund purple socks, kiboshed it!

I m not up to speed on political science issues but it seems before a major bill gets passed, there should be 2 or 3 other representative parties that have a say in this issue- just to keep the majority honest.

No wonder people give up and don’t bother voting, the unfortunate thing is the the ruling trust funds want it that way.

Sad but I guess Canada way is to take it and like it, or maybe at some point actually get a leader who truly represents the people.

At the end of the day though, people vote these guys in.

#32 Ponzius Pilatus on 10.06.17 at 6:42 pm

Just look at the hair of this guy
With the hair culture in Ottawa, he never had a chance.
Garth, you never had that excuse.

#33 Rainclouds on 10.06.17 at 6:45 pm

Tone deaf career politicians sliming the system. Sell their souls for continued power. These type of actions are precisely why the Americans elected Trump, complete disgust with the status quo. They got a nutbar instead. At least they tried.

Here in Canuckistan the electorate is waking up, Harper got booted because he personally disgusted the entire country.

Trudeau has managed to ignite the same anger with huge deficits, this sham of a small biz consultation, Netflix, energy east, Bombardier. His stupid photo ops.

I suspect people are starting to pay attention and they dont like what they see. Meanwhile the liberals arrogance grows. They.(Butts) dont. get. it.

Next 2 years should be entertaining

#34 Slo on 10.06.17 at 6:46 pm

I was with you until you held up America and Britain as ideals for party freedom. Bringing up McCain is also hilarious, because he’s the poster child of talking out against a bill and voting for it anyways. (He so rarely breaks party lines, I had to reread your paragraph for sarcasm)

Ideally, we’d have no parties at all, and the MP’s could communicate like adults…..and while we’re daydreaming, I’d like seven vancouver waterfront properties for a nickel.

#35 Alberta Ed on 10.06.17 at 6:51 pm

T2 is just a cheap facade for the back room boys who really run things. Same old, same old.

#36 Dolce Vita on 10.06.17 at 6:52 pm

Posted this article late yesterday, again as it is significant. Got another late Commenter going for sure.

MSM blame game beginning for YVR RE detached home price drops?

Here is a quote:

“Real Estate Association of Greater Vancouver figures show the median price of a detached home is down more than $500,000 since February, to $1.7 million.”

Another link in the article about tax evasion in YVR, inflamatory, to say the least and explains CRAs above average interest in YVR RE investors.

FYI is all. I will say though, I was taken a back. Read and decide for yourselves:

http://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-is-china-popping-vancouvers-housing-bubble

Yup, that’s 23% in 7 months.

#37 TnT on 10.06.17 at 6:53 pm

#17 Andrewski on 10.06.17 at 6:25 pm

The true etymology of the word “Canada” is from an old Portuguese map (adopted from a Spanish map) clearly written over the top end of North America:

Ça Nada – translates to “Nothing Here

350 years later, were still ÇaNada

#38 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.06.17 at 6:57 pm

I oppose the party system. It’s just a form of collusion that would be illegal elsewhere. I consider a political party to be a form of illegal trust. All members of parliament should be independents, subject only to their constituents.

#39 Danny on 10.06.17 at 6:58 pm

Garth agree about your assessment of problem with party loyalties…your difficult experience gives you indepth and honest perspective.
But really to use John McCain…as the example….of what a healthy democracy in the USA these days. The Republican Party is simply not sure how to deal with liar liar….real estate fake news man baby Trump…..one day they will.
No day goes by without jaw dropping silliness and planned diversion from reality by Trump….

Today he said on camera that America is in a “calm” state before some kind of “storm”…..really… could you be more insensitive to the mourning of Americans.
Even back with Harper…there was not this Trump level of insensitivity.
I will take Canadian democracy defaults compared to the contempt by Trump on American Government….but Trump still insists he is not a politician….seems he never believed in Government responsibility.

“Poor “…Rex Tillerson….who is not sure if an audio tape exists of his ” real f******g Moron ” outburst.
Seems another firing or resignation coming our way. Too much centralized power in the Whitehouse especially now with an incompetent.

I do not think American politics is any better than Canadian politics with all the Canadian shortcomings you so rightly spoke of today.

#40 Ian on 10.06.17 at 7:00 pm

The reality we are living in is that we somehow managed to take the Cold War victory and give it back.

Instead of a proper democracy, we have a Russian-inspired dictatorship (and yes I blame Blue and Red) where if you don’t get in line as an MP you get the S Magnitsky treatment.

#41 Dave on 10.06.17 at 7:00 pm

“Trudeau is another Harper…” lol…your myopic view of politics is astounding. Harper has muzzled scientists, gutted environmental laws, ran one of the most undemocratic regimes in Canadian history, was the only PM to be found in contempt of Parliament, broke half the promises of the Federal Accountability Act, created the unfair elections act, spent milliions on taxpayer funded political ads…

#42 Dave on 10.06.17 at 7:02 pm

” Look at the US administration, the variety of opinions openly expressed among Republicans and an icon of independent thought like John McCain” . lol, McCain gets over 7 million from the NRA in contributions, what has he expressed about gun control?

#43 Warren - the lagging indicator on 10.06.17 at 7:02 pm

Hello everyone, I am back form playing outside all summer long. Be nice to me or I will drink this jug of prune juice sitting in front of me. I am not kidding.

That Jagmeet Singh guy seems like a really nice guy and about as Canadian as it gets, if you listen to him. I think many Canadians will view him as the anti-Trump and when the Trumpster inevitably says something derogatory like ‘ the fledgling neophyte socialist turban-boy in our attic ‘ or something like that, it will bolster the Jag’s support up here. I can hear it now ‘ A living wage for all Canadians and Trump will pay for it’ lol – ok maybe that is a bit much but you get the idea.
Just as Garth has come to understand that his dog has a sixth sense, similarly, he will have to accept that the rainbow turban has magical political powers in Canada.
Besides why settle for less when Canada can drive the Jag. He will win the next election… no probs.

#44 Ronaldo on 10.06.17 at 7:15 pm

Just goes to prove once again that democracy ends at the ballot box. Once they get in, they basically do what they want except for the tough stuff which goes to referendum. Guys like Wayne Long don’t last long and not many if any on his side would have the guts to support him either. The people however are not fooled. The others just behave themselves and do as their told. We do have something to learn from our neighbors to the south. The next election is way too far off.

#45 TurnerNation on 10.06.17 at 7:15 pm

I guess that Wanye Who? has the wrong kind of diversity.
(No points for pink shirt?)

#46 Fish on 10.06.17 at 7:17 pm

26 Costco Nation on 10.06.17 at 6:33 pm
#18 Fish on 10.06.17
There is one and it has a destination name on it.
POVERTY

*******

That is why I’m a renter,

#47 Sunnyside on 10.06.17 at 7:18 pm

Back to the good stuff heading in the weekend.

How strong is the housing market in the Bloor West/ Junction/ Rockcliffe area of the city? Here’s a small sample:

47 Castleton – Listed Jul 4 at $739,000. Now $699,000. Still can’t sell.
18 Handel – Listed $829,000 in Sep. Crickets. Now $774,900.
1 Hillborn – Listed Jul 24 at $888,000. In Sep tried $848,000. Now $829,800. Hint: having an ‘8’ in your number isn’t the draw it used to be.
38 Ellins – Listed in Sep at $898,000. They got a wake up call. Now $829,000.
94 Eileen – Listed Jul 4 at $949,999. $899,900 since early Sep. Gonna have to do better.
679 Willard – Listed Aug 3 at $989,000. Now $939,000. No dice.
103 Henrietta. This is my fav. $1,100,000 in Jun/Jul. Finally relented in Sep to $999,888. Now $949,900. Try the 8s guy.

Going against the grain:
55A Terry – $789,900 since Jun/Jul. No price drop. This house is on it’s 5th geranium plant out front.
235 Glendonwynne – Listed in Sep at $999,000 – below comparables for the area. Dreamed of a ferocious bidding war on “offer night” (so March 2017). Crickets? Not even a single cricket. So they jacked it up to $1,179,000. Good luck.

Sunnyside out.

#48 Spock on 10.06.17 at 7:20 pm

Douche Bill was on BNN today smiling away and deftly avoided the Qs by Catherine on why he is not going after splitting of pensions by the civil servants.

On top of that he has the audacity to say that he went into politics to help and improve. The kool aid that these jokers drink and smoke must be doing its job.

http://www.bnn.ca/business-leaders-question-how-or-even-if-morneau-can-salvage-tax-plan-1.877790

OR

http://bit.ly/2xmtv8K

#49 I HATE CONservatives on 10.06.17 at 7:24 pm

CONs and Libs hate democracy. They both hate working class Canadians. CONs and libs support only the wealthy. NDP is for the working man but some of their policies are just stupid. Canadians have no real democracy . T2 promised electoral reform but that would of ment CONs would never ever EVER get a majority again ..NEVER. Like not in a thousands years. Libs would have a chance here and there. The real winners would of been Canadians as other parties would of formed . Minority governments that would have to benefit the people. Canadians are clueless to see the current evil CONs and Libs are the problem.look at the puppet CONs on this blog clueless to reality. Garth was a true blue conservative of the people and not a CONservative of corporations.

#50 not 1st on 10.06.17 at 7:32 pm

Garth, correct me if I am wrong but weren’t you slapped on the hands for experimenting with direct democracy i.e blogging? Wayne Long was opposing the most draconian tax legislation in 40 years.

And secondly, you need to revisit your investment narrative. Canada is not open for business at all and with a housing bubble to boot. You should be lowering your maple weighting to 10% and go all in on trump. Why haven’t you addressed this yet?

#51 Remember Income Trusts? on 10.06.17 at 7:33 pm

True small businesses deserve all the help they can get from tax benefits. The problem is the spirit of the rules were abused and with every man and his dog (and we love dogs) taking advantage, the government now has to rein them in. Income Trusts were an okay idea until almost every company in Canada realized they should restructure in that manner. O’Flaherty had to shut it down as the tax revenues to Gov’t were going to be hit hard.

Sole proprietorships who have been allowed to incorporate are so common, the Liberals now see this as unfair. A lawyer or accountant working for a major national or multinational firm can incorporate? Really? The ultimate joke never used as an example here has been real estate agents. P.R.E.C. is the perfect example of the abuse of incorporation rules.

http://www.remonline.com/remax-brings-agent-incorporation-ontario/

The strong lobby groups for lawyers, accountants and real estate agents managed to gain the preferred status and it simply got out of hand, so the T2 gang want to pull it back and grab tax revenue. Of course they are painting everyone with the same brush here so the legitimate small businesses are being targeted along with those who had no business being able to qualify in the first place. Most Doctors are underpaid in my opinion, but because government is most often the paymaster if that same doctor pays $100,000 per year MORE in taxes TO the government, the government can PAY the doctor that $100,000 back in higher compensation. It’s a wash. As far as many others are concerned they need to tighten up the definition of what a TRUE small business is. Many will fail this test. Welcome to 50% tax off payroll. Its not fun. Lawyers and accounts know more than anyone how devastating this will be to their incomes and ability to accumulate wealth. This explains the vocal outrage. Few of them stood up before on tax rates as it never impacted them personally. Amazing to watch human nature when it affects one personally.

#52 Gasbag Boomer on 10.06.17 at 7:37 pm

Garth, I really appreciate you sharing your political insight. It’s something the average person doesn’t get access to.

#53 conan on 10.06.17 at 7:38 pm

#231 AB Boxster on 10.06.17 at 10:42 am

EE was envisioned when oil was at 90$. If you do not think oil at 50 dollars screws with their bottom line….

Downstream emissions = it costs money to pollute now. There is a price on carbon, it is the most efficient way to reduce its foot print. What do you think we should do, tax the strawberry short cake makers?

Why the fandango did you conservatives create a situation where you are selling oil at a discount to the USA? That is 30 B a year that you are costing Canada. Blaming this on T2 is a rewrite of history.

FFS Alberta, clean your oil before you ship it. It is your business decision to send it half finished to market. Meckenna and Oliver blaming T2 for the 30 B. What a joke!!!

LOL at the Cons…… brutal

I think it is closer to tobacco companies being liable for health law suits. The car manufacturer for building an unsafe product

#54 Ex-Cowtown on 10.06.17 at 7:40 pm

Canada isn’t a true democracy. It’s a thinly veiled dictatorship that asks for our permission to do what the hell ever the PM wants every 3-5 years. So far, we’ve been lucky in that the PM has kept asking permission. This can change abruptly.

I think any time a PM drums out a caucus member for representing the wishes of his constituents it is a red flag waving that the PM needs to be drummed out as well.

#55 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.06.17 at 7:40 pm

What’s up with the picture about insecure small penised white guys for Trump?

Actually, you’ll find that most of Trump’s supporters are strong, confident, self reliant, patriotic and brave … many of Trump’s supporters are black and many are asian and hispanic … most women support Trump … he won the popular vote in a landslide – not just the electoral college votes …

Trump has achieved more in less than a year than that fruitcake in Ottawa will achieve in his lifetime …

Canada is the third world … a small insignificant cold and corrupt place where bad people from around the world launder their money …

Trump on the other hand will save us from the communist new world order … real men vote Trump … small and pathetic losers vote liberal

#56 X on 10.06.17 at 7:41 pm

Too bad there aren’t more people like Wayne Long who are actually representing the people. He knows a crappy policy when he sees one.

#57 MCYVR on 10.06.17 at 7:41 pm

Interesting idea posed earlier… No parties , only MP’s beholden to their own constituents. Hmmmmm.

#58 Ronaldo on 10.06.17 at 7:41 pm

#39 Danny

You’re watching to much CNN.

#59 Ex-Cowtown on 10.06.17 at 7:44 pm

I find it hilarious that T2, who claims to speak of inclusiveness and tolerance has zero tolerance when it affects something he wants to do.

T2 is nothing more than a hypocritical stuffed shirt riding on someone else’s name and rep. But of course he knows that.

#60 Spock on 10.06.17 at 7:44 pm

I can understand how T2 would be pissed off that one of his MP’s had the audacity to listen to his constituents who may not fall in the pot smoking – poor – millennials – gender inequality – middle class framework (qualification depends on as T2’s mood)

Even more audacious was letting Parliament and others know that such folks exist who are not drinking the Libs Kool aid.

Poor Wayne – I think he did not realize that you have to be a MP for 6 years before getting the $45K pension (feel free to correct me if info is incorrect).

Now the 30+ year islamophobia bill sponsoring MP who has never worked in her life similar to T2 – will relax in the back and make sure that pension status is achieved.

Priorities people.

#61 Michael King on 10.06.17 at 7:45 pm

Garth, you frequently criticize the political left but it sounds like you support electoral reform. Here in BC the NDP/Green coalition will be giving the electorate an opportunity to replace the first past the post system. They deserve full credit for doing so.

On another topic and I’ve been saying it for months, Trudeau could be a one termer as PM. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

#62 dosouth on 10.06.17 at 7:45 pm

Great post. It is why I stopped voting ages ago. Not only to avoid being put on jury lists ( as that is where most courts get their names from) but because we don’t matter that much if at all. Don’t bother commenting that it is people like me who fail the system, the system was corrupt long ago and failed us.

Cynical, maybe but certainly realistic. We’re not going to “win back” any reality of representation anytime soon. Some politicians do vote their representation but most do not and in doing so they steal and cheat the people who employ themm, but hey, it is just my humble opinion……

#63 AGuyInVancouver on 10.06.17 at 7:46 pm

While toeing the party line may have gone too far, I don;t wish for the US system. And with 4 parties in Canada’s legislature vs 2 in the USA, there is less need for intra-party squabbling.

Hurl all the childish insults you want about Trudeau, but he he is far better than Harper who avoided “The People” wherever possible. And I missed have missed all the kudos the sabre-rattling Cons had for the gov’ts plan to help prevent military suicides. Harper was keen to commit troops, not so much to support them afterwards.

Every country evolves a system to suit it. With our close proximity to the USA it was inevitable some of the “presidential” feel would rub off on to the office of PM. Would you really like the UK system where a handful of party intriguers can depose a PM with no input from the public? No thanks.

#64 Lost...but not leased on 10.06.17 at 7:48 pm

Bwhahahahaha..have the chickens ever come home to roost.

The original parliamentary-democratic system never envisioned a party system(and early examples forbid lawyers as well). Members obligations were to their constituents and their best interests.

Once you allow a party system , you effectively have a quasi -dictatorship.

Wasn’t it T2 Dad…Peter Elliot Turdeau ….that stated MP’s are “nobodies 50 yards off Parliament Hill”.

Turdeau worshippers are certifiable Stockholm Syndrome victims by choice.

As I noted earlier Peter Turdeau advisors told him he only needed Ontario and Quebec votes..with some pogey crumbs to the Maritimes…the West be damned.

This establishes the first platform for dictatorship aka the rest of Canada be damned, as they will still be under 100% control.

The next platform is Party Unity… at all costs.

MP? to play ?you OBEY the leader OR ELSE..like the Garden of Eden…you get all the perks if you abrogate your #1 duty to represent the constituents that voted you in.

If not?!?, there are various means to ostracize you,the MP from this leader worshipping cult…such as refusing to sign you nomination papers. End of career.

In summary…the system is a pathetic joke… simply a dictatorship.

#65 Democracy Is Mob Rule on 10.06.17 at 7:48 pm

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#66 Fake News Again on 10.06.17 at 7:49 pm

This “Party Whip BS” proves over and over and over again how we DO NOT live in a democracy but rather an Autocracy – which is basically Dictatorship light……

Canada is doooooomed.

#67 espressobob on 10.06.17 at 7:51 pm

Sometimes pushing the envelope is about setting the bar for others to follow. Becoming an MP or any other profession is nothing to be ashamed of.

Leadership by example.

The best gift offered to anyone.

#68 Raging Ranter on 10.06.17 at 7:51 pm

@ #3 Jim, jewellery thieves are a tiny constituency. The NDP calculated, correctly, that they could survive without their support.

#69 Linda on 10.06.17 at 7:52 pm

Garth correctly points out the major flaw in our current system – that our votes are not (as we believe) for the MP to represent us, but rather is counted as a vote of support for the party platform that MP belongs to. Unfortunately most of the party platforms have little to do with what the electorate wants to have happen. Rather it is what ‘the party’ has decided is important, which even more unfortunately is rarely what is best for the country as a whole & more about paying back favors to those interests who are deemed important to the party.

The solution most offered is to ‘join the party’ & affect ‘change from within’. Two problems with that – first, if the rest of ‘the party’ doesn’t like the change your membership can & will be revoked if you persist in trying to implement the change & second, it is far too easy to end up just another party cog in the machine, because some of what is proposed fits your own agenda. ‘We are the Borg, you WILL be assimilated’. Ack!

#70 Andrew Woburn on 10.06.17 at 7:54 pm

My understanding of the rot at the core of Canadian democracy is that the party leader is chosen by the party and not by the people’s elected representatives. In Britain, the Prime Minister is elected by the MP’s who can replace the leader at will. Usually it takes a serious revolt to replace a UK PM, as happened with Thatcher, but the threat keeps the PM sensitive to the opinions of MP’s and hence to the issues important to local voters.

In Canada the leader has no such worries and can further stack the deck by vetoing the candidacy of independent minded people to ensure that he only gets “trained seals” to flap flippers on command.

Canadians are too passive to even question this system that they call “democracy”. Whatever you think of Brexit, it was a stunning display of democracy at work that would never have been allowed here.

#71 Smoking Man on 10.06.17 at 7:59 pm

I know how it feels.

Smoking Man made a few late night appearances on Linked in, no bay street jobs for me.

Apparently, they Hate The Donald and love giving up their children’s futures to global communism for a few lousy bucks.

Not everyone was meant to be a Man.

#72 Andrew Woburn on 10.06.17 at 7:59 pm

– The Russia Collusion You Should Care About

“Why aren’t Western governments doing more to stop Russian money from poisoning their economies?”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-06/the-russia-collusion-you-should-care-about

#73 Demand Evidence on 10.06.17 at 8:02 pm

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#74 Quebec Is Great on 10.06.17 at 8:02 pm

Re: #47
`This house is on it’s 5th geranium plant out front`
LOL, now that was seriously funny!
kudos to Sunnyside

On a more serious note, my highest respect for MPs such as the Honorable Wayne Long. Perhaps someday there will be enough Honorable MPs in one sitting to break this system back toward its true intent – constituent representation.

Hats off to all members of this rare club, I’m certain that Garth (and the rest of us) will warmly welcome all new members.

I salute you all

#75 Long-Time Lurker on 10.06.17 at 8:03 pm

#155 Yaroslav on 10.05.17 at 10:58 pm
Yes… So nice to see that someone remembers what my blog handle means…

Supply side economics. Real gem. Right up there with the theory that disasters like the Fort McMurray wild fire and hurricanes fuel economic growth…

Any activity affected by a detrimental influence tends to decrease it. In terms of economics, taxing economic activity reduces it. At a fundamental level, government revenues increase due to economic growth. Refute that.

#76 Paully on 10.06.17 at 8:03 pm

Hear! Hear! Wayne Long! Well done!

#77 Andrew Woburn on 10.06.17 at 8:08 pm

“The IEA projects the share of renewable energy in the world’s electricity mix to rise from about 24 percent in 2016 to 29 percent by 2022. By that year, therefore, renewable energy output is expected to be bigger than the entire electricity consumption of China, India and Germany combined.

More importantly, the extra electricity those projects will produce is expected to account for about 70 percent of the overall growth in power production worldwide. The implication is that coal and natural gas (along with nuclear power) will be slugging it out for a shrunken share of growth.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-10-04/renewable-energy-iea-projections-coming-at-you-fast

The article points out that the huge advantage of renewables over nuclear or hydro is they are inherently modular. Capacity can be added as needed in small amounts as opposed to conventional massive megaprojects.

#78 mike from mtl on 10.06.17 at 8:21 pm

Garth, with all due respect, just as with our neighbours to the south, it matters not who you vote for. Blue or Red same sh1t on real issues.

Even voting in the ‘dippers’ is the same shade of grey, who cares?

I personally don’t agree or side with any party or platform – they’re all fluff to distract. Why you waste your time convincing anyone otherwise, I have no idea.

Feels just like the communist era Poland we left.

#79 Smoking Man on 10.06.17 at 8:22 pm

Not only am I on a Bay Street globalist shit list, I’m on a global shit list.

There is a contract gig in New Port Beach California, Pimco pays 120 USD per hour, you got to do this stupid little test. I aced it. I could be half asleep and drunk out of my mind and still kill it.

Not good enough, being the raving phyco that James tries to make me out to be. It’s sticking I guess.

So as any raving lunatic I paid and Indian IT recruiting manager with a cup of Starbucks coffee and free concert tickets to an event at Seneca. I got the direct line to the Hiring manager.

I called him, off the record, JS, ak Smoking Man, you are on the shit list. As much as I would love to give you the gig, can’t-do it.

The shit list is real. Not bullshitting. If you’re a idiot with proven track record of brainwashing, a degree of some kind, you are golden, if your a black chick, trans man your odds of getting this gig is huge.

Anyway, if there are any VBA Gurus out there that want to escape communism, email me. [email protected]

I’ll send you the answers to the easy questions that no one by the looks of things can answer. 8 months and no candidates yet.

#80 For those about to flop... on 10.06.17 at 8:24 pm

#216 unbalanced on 10.06.17 at 9:19 am
Whatever happened to the blogger—Metaxa??? He sure had some good stories.

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This is how I recall what happened on this matter,others may recall differently.

Metaxa seemed happy doing his thing and a shit disturber going by the handle Trader Jim seemed intent on winding a few people up on political debates.

Metaxa seemed to lose interest and I wrote him twice on here after he stopped posting to ask him to continue contributing as he had a way of sharing his experience and some success in life ,a little like Boom,without shoving it in your face.

Probably smart on Metaxa’s part to discontinue if the joy was gone as I think at that stage he was 70 and probably could do without the stress.

I think it’s obviously useful to be sharing different points of view and information on an array of topics.

Probably not useful trying to get each other’s blood pressure up…

M43BC

#81 NoName on 10.06.17 at 8:26 pm

#29 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.06.17 at 6:37 pm
Who cares about the Distinctly Canadian Dictatorial Powers fo a Prime Minister.
We have more important things to discuss.

Successful Ladies in Toronto will be selling their condos enmass to move in with ‘ The One”…..

A life long partner?
An end to their solo existance?
The One?
Perhaps….

https://www.google.ca/url?url=https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/the-one/article36498485/&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjRk9eQht3WAhUQ82MKHeSADA0QqQIIOjAJ&usg=AOvVaw37YwkVPAJCYH-UGKIhWAQB

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Interesting, I only have one suit that bought to get married and I got it at stolleirys and that Sam dude wrecked a store. It was a long time ago but i steel vividly remember Lacosta shirts to the left when you enter the door.

So that is gone now too… sad sight… :(

me thinks Canada should change a name to Condoa.

#82 bigtowne on 10.06.17 at 8:33 pm

The Trudeau Regime is out to impress Ontario and Quebec. This week we are supposed to be full of concern for Bombardier and in the same theme the media shows a definite “Who Cares bias and isn’t it great for our green Canada and being a leader in the global environmnet” This is the reality of Canada. The Maritimes and the Western provinces are footnotes in Canada. Notice the focus on “special groups” all of whom exclude your typical run of the mill home grown Canadian. We are not “appropriate” for the Liberal regime. I remember when I first visited Ontario in the 60’s…there were a lot of Maritimers up here so the vibe was folksy but respectful with commonsense. Now the present regime has to legislate what is appropriate after decades of watering down the wine.

#83 young & foolish on 10.06.17 at 8:34 pm

What’s going to happen to our beloved ETFs when the easy money dries up ???

#84 TurnerNation on 10.06.17 at 8:36 pm

#29 crowdedelevatorfartz

https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/build-her-wealth-presents-wealth-wine-night-toronto-the-ladies-guide-to-real-estate-investing-tickets-38114168504

#85 Figmund Sreud on 10.06.17 at 8:43 pm

What Wayne Long has discovered is that…
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Well, … it’s tough to grasp fully for a newbie MP that the average voter is only an important constituent of his MP, MLA, mayor, or even a city councillor only for the short period of time when he or she must be convinced to cast a ballot. It’s all true, …

… and when that time is over, the voter recedes into the background and the real constituents are now powerful interest groups with the money to sprinkle on political access and influence. Those who control and represent these interest groups are part of our country’s ruling oligarchy.

Such is a true state of the pseudo-democracy most Canadians hold so very dearly! Oh, well.

F.S., Comox, BC.

#86 Danny on 10.06.17 at 8:47 pm

#58 Ronaldo
Actually watching Too Much ” Trump Live ”…not much thinking going on there….just a bully.

#87 Smoking Man on 10.06.17 at 8:51 pm

Rebels so underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmSHlutX1xo

#88 AB Boxster on 10.06.17 at 8:51 pm

#53 conan on 10.06.17 at 7:38 pm

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So your argument, on why a pipeline should subject to upstream and downstream corbon emmisions, when no other project in Canada has ever been, or ever will be held to these standards, is that ‘we must price carbon’?
And something about a chilled dessert.
WTF does that mean? We already price carbon. What the hell does that have to do with a pipeline?

And you actually suggest that the ‘situation’ of getting lower than world price, is actually created by someone? Like a real person.
A conservative person acccording to you.
That somehow its this conservative guy’s fault Alberta gets lower than world price?
Do you have a clue about economics and how oil markets work?
Silly question. Of course you don’t.

And you seriously argue, that if Alberta were to upgrade it’s crude, that this would miraclously mean that pipelines would be approved?
So that Alberta sending you clean oil would get pipeline?

What a bunch of nonsense.

You are seriously uninformed, and your rebuttals so weak, that you should be embarrassed.

#89 Andrewt on 10.06.17 at 8:54 pm

Y’know I’m independent minded (I like to think)although more often than not I vote on the left end of tge spectrum.

As much as I support these tax changes in theory (and would like to see those cynically working the system have a loophole closed, the arguments you’ve put forward make it hard to ignore that the blunt one-size-fits-all reform isn’t the way to go.

There has to be some kind of way to allow fledgling businesses the opportunity to grow without excessive tax burdens, while cracking down on those with a lazy business model that relies on gaming the rules to come out on top.

This stuff isn’t easy. But it could be done. The T2 gang should admit there’s complexity here and roll up their sleeves on this. Still plenty of time in their mandate.

If only more people could see past knee-jerk partisanship and work together.

#90 For those about to flop... on 10.06.17 at 8:58 pm

Pink Pumpkin Update.

This one is my biggest Pumpkin in the patch and has been featured a few times.

Originally asking 21.8m ,now down to 17.8

On the hook for 15.5m

House needs an addition.

That addition is a bulldozer…

M43BC

3241 Point Grey Rd. Paid 15.5 million asking 18.8 now asking 17.8

3241 Point Grey Road, Vancouver

Apr 6:$18,800,000
Oct 5: $17,800,000
Change: – 1000000.00 -5%

3241 Point Grey Road, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1B3
$21,800,000
2017-02-05

https://evaluebc.bcassessment.ca/Property.aspx?_oa=QTAwMDAwMDVFUw==

https://www.zolo.ca/vancouver-real-estate/3241-point-grey-road

#91 Smoking Man on 10.06.17 at 8:58 pm

When an empty bottle of JD, and an eye stuck in the opening. Logic said to me, find god, find your voice. It was on the earbuds. Come get me, communists.

Let’s dance bitches. CRA doesn’t scare me. They owe me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bIbVlIqEc

#92 Shawn on 10.06.17 at 9:06 pm

Canada is immature for a developed country in many ways. It’s political system is definitely one of them. I believe it’s called tribalism.

#93 Cristian on 10.06.17 at 9:06 pm

Many years ago, when I was still a youngster in the post-revolutionary Romania, I believed I could make a difference if I entered politics. Soon I understood, however, how naive it was of me to believe something like that. Soon I understood that if you want to be a politician you have to be like the rest of them: lie, cheat, do whatever is best for you and not for those who elected you. I understood that I was not able to go down that road and decided to still do what was best for me but not by cheating others. I concentrated on my career and my family. It was the right choice. And since then I do not trust ANY politician. 99.9% of them are the same, whether in Romania or in Canada. And voters as gullible in both countries…

#94 NEVER GIVE UP on 10.06.17 at 9:07 pm

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#95 Fiendish Thingy on 10.06.17 at 9:18 pm

Oh come on Garth, you can’t be serious!

Republicans voted in lock-step opposition to Obama, and, with few exceptions, have voted in lock-step loyalty to Trump and/or their corporate masters, the Kochs, Mercers and Waltons.

McCain is no independent thinker, he votes the party line something like 85% of the time. The Democrats in swing states are the ones who defect to vote with the GOP, supposedly to represent their constituents, but just as often, to represent their donors.

As an American patriot-in-exile in BC, I am thrilled and Intrigued by Canada’s five party system, which despite its flaws, beats the heck out of the US’s take it or leave it, lesser of two evils binary system.

You make some good points about the Canadian party system nonetheless, and I will be watching and following with interest as the next election approaches.

Just filed my Canadian citizenship papers, and was thrilled to hear the age of exam exemption was just lowered to 54!

#96 Not Classy on 10.06.17 at 9:25 pm

Jagmeet Singh pretends to be an enlightened leader but he is just a cleverly disguised arrogant individual. That crazy lady (aka. “the video”) was actually trying to make some valid points about his vote on an issue that will come to the forefront in the coming years. He tried to brush her off like a cute but pestering squirrel.

The main media channels completely ignored her message of concern and only focused on his charming ability to ignore her and the media spun it as being “classy”. The classy thing would have been for him to calm everything down, give her a voice, and then provide a rational explanation of this vote that concerned her.

#97 Flatlander on 10.06.17 at 9:33 pm

We salute you Wayne. Godspeed with whatever punishment our overspending, entrepreneurial gutting government has in store for you. May others follow in your footsteps.

#98 long way to go on 10.06.17 at 9:40 pm

#47 Sunnyside on 10.06.17 at 7:18 pm

those rockcliffe houses were in the low 5s, some even 4s two years ago. paying in the 8s is ludicrous. long way to go still.

#99 young & foolish on 10.06.17 at 9:42 pm

“Ça Nada – translates to “Nothing Here”

Hmmm … since we are beginning to “settle” with aboriginal groups who will keep on asking as long as we are giving, then maybe we should just all pack up and go back to where we came from? After all, every square inch of Canada is vulnerable to a “land claim”.

#100 Popeye the sailor man on 10.06.17 at 9:53 pm

I Vote for Jon Snow “KING OF THE NORTH !”

#101 5Inatrailer on 10.06.17 at 9:57 pm

So serious question;
Do those bombardier jets run on solar power? Tesla jets?
No energy east? No jets.

#102 young & foolish on 10.06.17 at 9:58 pm

“What’s up with the picture about insecure small penised white guys for Trump?”

Have you noticed that when the Left resorts to “body shaming” (remember the Trump naked statues?) it’s ok … but try it on a lesbian, or a person of colour and see how quickly you will be called out on it.

#103 ritenote on 10.06.17 at 10:00 pm

Garth, I would consider that a compliment to be kicked out of Stephen Harper’s party….

#104 Nemesis on 10.06.17 at 10:17 pm

“In Britain or the US, elected politicians don’t so easily sell out their beliefs, principles or constituents.” – HonourablyMisinformedGT

#Whitehall

https://youtu.be/gmOvEwtDycs

#DC

https://youtu.be/FTsd3VUAiYg

[NoteToGT: More than just Art imitating life… don’t smirk, after all, I woz there.]

#105 SoggyShorts on 10.06.17 at 10:30 pm

#55 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.06.17 at 7:40 pm
… most women support Trump … he won the popular vote in a landslide – not just the electoral college votes …
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I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or just ignorance.
If you aren’t joking, please do some fact checking.

#106 n1tro on 10.06.17 at 10:53 pm

#37 TnT on 10.06.17 at 6:53 pm
#17 Andrewski on 10.06.17 at 6:25 pm

The true etymology of the word “Canada” is from an old Portuguese map (adopted from a Spanish map) clearly written over the top end of North America:

Ça Nada – translates to “Nothing Here

350 years later, were still ÇaNada
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Alas, wrong again.

The name “Canada” likely comes from the Huron-Iroquois word “kanata,” meaning “village” or “settlement.” In 1535, two Aboriginal youths told French explorer Jacques Cartier about the route to kanata; they were actually referring to the village of Stadacona, the site of the present-day City of Québec. For lack of another name, Cartier used the word “Canada” to describe not only the village, but the entire area controlled by its chief, Donnacona.

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/origin-name-canada.html

I’m sure some of the people here are old enough to remember the government commericals trying to educate us on our history. Those were simpler times.

#107 Hugh Janus on 10.06.17 at 11:09 pm

Lest we forget the events in france. You know, the cutting off of the heads etc.

It will take a small but significant issue to transpire and then all hell will break loose.

Hopefully those are their game faces. I have mine on and am prepped.

Cheers.

#108 A Closer Look on 10.06.17 at 11:29 pm

http://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-is-china-popping-vancouvers-housing-bubble

Tracking the evidence based analysis of the foremost urban geographer Dr Ley and the impact of foreign capital on Vancouver’s market.

Pretty hard to dismiss quantitative studies over a 30 year period, but I suspect, some will try.

#109 Ken from BC on 10.06.17 at 11:32 pm

I’m of of those guys (like most on this blog) that worked hard, provided for my family and saved what I could. I believed that my contribution (ever increasing taxes) to the greater good would build a better, greater country. After 30 years of believing this, I now realize that I have been played for a fool. My demise will be similar to that of Boxer in Animal Farm and that the glue factory is my final destination. Think of me when you seal an envelope.

#110 TurnerNation on 10.06.17 at 11:46 pm

#47 Sunnyside great post. New area for me.
Punched it into MLS and most of those listings need to be razed – or first used and set in horror movies.
Totally junkers. Scary stuff.

#111 Screwed Canadian Millenial on 10.06.17 at 11:47 pm

Maybe I should start a political party…

A Screwed Canadian Millenials party!

I’ll give you ConBoomers that $10k TFSA you want so badly… with a 90% capital gains tax!

Tax Free Screwed Account

#112 Pete from St. Cesaire on 10.06.17 at 11:51 pm

Great post. It is why I stopped voting ages ago. Not only to avoid being put on jury lists ( as that is where most courts get their names from) but because we don’t matter that much if at all.
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For shame. If you want any input into the system you should at least be willing to sit on a jury. You can’t complain about rulings or injustice when you aren’t willing to at least be heard. It’s the very least effort you could expend in having a say in how things turn out, and it’s handed to you like a gift on a silver platter. If you just can’t be bothered; stay out of the political arena all together. That’s what I admire about guys like Garth, they try to make a difference and they stick to their principles. He’s not one to take the easy way out, and neither should you be.

#113 Ken from BC on 10.07.17 at 12:12 am

Or don’t seal the envelope . I will not go gentle into that good night. My old age will burn and rage against T2 and his minion government. I will rage, rage against the dying of Canada. I will not go gentle into that good night.

#114 diharv on 10.07.17 at 12:16 am

Politics is petty and cruel . It’s not about governing and doing right for your constituents . It is about getting elected and staying elected , nothing more . The fat pension afterward is gravy.

#115 Entrepreneur on 10.07.17 at 12:32 am

We need more MP members like Wayne Long, talking for the people of their area. Wait a minute, maybe Long can run for PM position. I live in BC but I would vote for him.

TGF and enjoy what pleasures one has.

#116 Jon on 10.07.17 at 1:14 am

It’s rare to see an MP like Wayne Long – someone who has a backbone. I’d vote for him. I wish more Canadians would pay attention to politics, and also try to seek out candidates like him.

#117 Dolce Vita on 10.07.17 at 1:47 am

…and they complained about Harper being a control freak with the Press.

Justin no better other than he got caught.

#118 Darren on 10.07.17 at 2:25 am

Well said Garth, thank-you.

#119 Realist on 10.07.17 at 3:34 am

#27 FOUR FINGERS WATSON on 10.06.17 at 6:36 pm
This may be why electoral reform died. Trudeau gained power promising it. No more. In the last election the Liberals received 39.4% of the vote and won 54.4% of the seats. If proportional representation were a fact of life, T2 would have gained 50 fewer seats. We’d have a coalition government.
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Our “democracy” is lost and we won’t be getting it back. Not in our lifetimes, probably not ever.

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BINGO!

At least a few realize it. All political parties backrooms have been infiltrated. Look at BC NDP’s 180 turn on housing.

#120 Realist on 10.07.17 at 3:35 am

And no Jagmeet isn’t going to win anything. The powers that be want to pump him up and give the sheep some illusion of choice. The ‘power’ will shift between The Cons and Libs. But it will stay with the same group.

#121 Reality 1 on 10.07.17 at 3:46 am

to # 96 Not Classy

I didn’t have that reaction to that JS video at all.

Neither did my girlfriend, who is a pretty, clear headed, intelligent and very straightforward European woman. (can you tell I’m fond of her ?)

He came across as patronizing and frankly idiotic to the both of us.

Chanting “we love you, we support you, etc.” while ignoring her message and speaking over her with his so obviously insincere persona spoke volumes to us.

Actually, my girlfriend thought he was physically repulsive and his performance even more so. She also thought it was acted out and not authentic – i.e. faked.

The room was filled with same ethnicity who so clearly were vapid sycophants just so, so, so proud that one of their own was now on the national stage.

This guy is a manipulative snake oil salesman.
Given his platform , anybody voting for / taken in by him would be anti the Canada sentient Canadians want.

#122 Stone on 10.07.17 at 5:34 am

I think people spend less time thinking about their political candidates and leaders come election time and the time in between than they do thinking about a real estate purchase. And we know how much time people put into that. Yes, we do. Therein lies the problem. But of course, spending much more time deciding what toilet paper you want to purchase is a much wiser use of time.

Great priorities people. You get what you invest your time and energy on. Soft and cuddly toilet paper? LOL

I made an as informed choice as I could when I voted. As I feel no surprises at this time, I’m still ok with my vote. I did vote Liberal. For those who aren’t happy, run for politics yourselves. If you don’t, you can gripe all you want about how things work but it will amount to nothing. In Garth’s case, I think he made an informed decision about politics and decided that it would be more fortuitous for him to move in another direction. Looks like it was the appropriate one for him to be able to provide for his family and sleep at night and I respect that.

I’m sure a man of principle like Wayne Long will do the same as well.

#123 bellend on 10.07.17 at 6:54 am

leaders/sheeple=1%ers

#124 Wrk.dover on 10.07.17 at 6:59 am

#80 For those about to flop… on 10.06.17 at 8:24 pm
#216 unbalanced on 10.06.17 at 9:19 am
Whatever happened to the blogger—Metaxa??? He sure had some good stories.

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This is how I recall what happened on this matter,others may recall differently.

Metaxa seemed happy doing his thing and a shit disturber going by the handle Trader Jim seemed intent on winding a few people up on political debates.

Metaxa seemed to lose interest and I wrote him twice on here after he stopped posting to ask him to continue contributing as he had a way of sharing his experience and some success in life ,a little like Boom,without shoving it in your face.

Probably smart on Metaxa’s part to discontinue if the joy was gone as I think at that stage he was 70 and probably could do without the stress.

I think it’s obviously useful to be sharing different points of view and information on an array of topics.

Probably not useful trying to get each other’s blood pressure up…

M43BC

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Too much rabies and distemper on this site lately.

#125 TnT on 10.07.17 at 7:39 am

#106 n1tro on 10.06.17 at 10:53 pm

Your “Government” sponsored version sure sounds better when building a nation, better than having it translate to “nothing here”.

Ça Nada version looks more viable when put in the context of how America got its name.

Cartography is a funny business.

Take the impact of naming a country Iceland vs. Greenland for instance.

Fun-on-a-bun, that’s all.

#126 conan on 10.07.17 at 7:57 am

#88 AB Boxster on 10.06.17 at 8:51 pm

In AB Boxster terms, please explain why the USA pays 30 % less for Alberta oil. Feel free to swear as much as you want, use ****, or @#%.

I think it makes sense to lay the blame on the Conservative government in Alberta. There is no excuse why Sweden can have this huge oil fund, while Alberta, paid it all out to rich people, and has almost nothing. Cons have been running Alberta since forever. It is only recently, that people woke up to the monstrosity, called modern Canadian Conservatism, and gave you the boot.

“And you seriously argue, that if Alberta were to upgrade it’s crude, that this would miraclously mean that pipelines would be approved?”

Yes, it would help, and you could charge the USA more for your oil. I take it refining oil, leads to lots of carbon taxes? So, the plan was to send it to the Irvings?

#127 Trumpocalypse2017 on 10.07.17 at 8:39 am

ORANGE ALERT!!!

“Calm Before the Storm”

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump delivered a foreboding message Thursday night, telling reporters as he posed for photos with his senior military leaders that this might be “the calm before the storm.”

White House reporters were summoned suddenly Thursday evening and told the president had decided he wanted the press to document a dinner he was holding with the military leaders and their wives.

“What storm Mr. President?” one reporter shouted. ISIS? North Korea? Iran?

“You’ll find out,” the president said.

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/trump-during-photo-shoot-talks-of-calm-before-the-storm

PREPARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU HAVE NO TIME FOR TURKEY THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!

SEEK SHELTER NOW!!!!!!

GRAB ENERGY BARS AND GO!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#128 working man on 10.07.17 at 9:02 am

#55
I agree, Trumps not the best but I like the way he fights, the US is in a bad way… looks like their future is going to be divisive, same as what T2 is doing… but at least Trump is trying to start some work… here we are a primary industry country… why not work on improving our natural resource development projects and bring real wealth to our country… most dont realize that their work they DOES NOT BRING MONEY to our economy, so sorry to see, the pipe line fail, the gas plant cancelation in BC, how do you expect to pay for all those snowflake wanting frees tuff, and unqualified immigrants???
FACT: the USA has close to 100 000 000 people out of work… they are not retirees or too young to work.. this is able working bodies… good thing their Unemployment rate is approx 5%,,, go figure, i failed math in school.

Children, retirees, students, homemakers etc. are not in the workforce. A claim that one-third of the US is unemployed is irrational. — Garth

#129 Dharma Bum on 10.07.17 at 9:02 am

#32 Ponzius

“Just look at the hair of this guy
With the hair culture in Ottawa, he never had a chance.
Garth, you never had that excuse.”
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I think it was the shirt that did Wayne in.

#130 Old Ron the Realtor on 10.07.17 at 9:23 am

Singh is the best thing that happened to the Conservatives since Michael Ignatieff. He will take votes away from the Liberals and could allow “The Sneer” to win the day. That is one reason why the Post media was giving him the kid glove treatment.

In real estate. Sales in the GTA were 6,378 for September. That is about 9 house sales every hour, 24 x 7 folks. Good, but nothing like the crazy boom. And no where close to the number needed to feed 48,000 hungry agents. I spoke to one yesterday who just took a retail job for Christmas to pay the rent.

The Big Smoke will feel the pain in diverse ways. Car sales. restaurants, print shops, lawyers, mortgage brokers, and small construction/reno companies.

I can’t call 6,378 sales a crash, cause it ain’t, but the new normal is going to feel like one to tens of thousands of agents.

#131 Bill Swedlin on 10.07.17 at 9:32 am

Wayne for PM!

#132 Penny Henny on 10.07.17 at 10:01 am

I’m surprised there has been no reference to the movie ‘Wayne’s world”

anyways some good news from Queens Park
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/10/06/two-more-wynne-cabinet-ministers-say-they-wont-run-again-in-next-junes-ontario-election.html

#133 Oft deleted much maligned stock picker on 10.07.17 at 10:13 am

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#134 Reality1 on 10.07.17 at 10:22 am

LEADERSHIP

Canadians had better get a grip.

Please hear me out on this.

The USA is fast becoming an international pariah and its’ diplomatic “power” is eroding – and for many good reasons.

Why this matters to Canada is that we send 75 % of our exports to them.

The rest of the world sees a Washington that serves Wall Street and American interests and enforces economic and military hegemony at everyone else’s expense – and that includes Canada.

Its international relationships that were once thought to be sacrosanct are now unraveling.

Putin is quickly changing the dynamic in the Middle East and elsewhere and finding a receptive audience of nations.

He is showing Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Quatar and Saudi Kingdom an alternative path for mutual BENEFIT , not the perpetual conflict that US foreign policy has fostered, to their DETRIMENT.

Of course Russia benefits – but so does EVERY party to the potential peace

The sands are shifting there as we speak and I believe we may have a CHANCE for peace in the region for the first time in my lifetime. That is good for EVERYBODY in this world.

How does this affect Canada ?

Russia’s oil and gas, mining, timber , food production (all non GMO) agricultural potential and expertise eclipse Canada’s. They are lower cost, politically agnostic (no SJW conditions attached) and geographicaly closer to our key INTERNATIONAL MARKETS.

Markets that we desperately need to diversify our trade in light of America First trade policies.

Russia is increasingly seen as a RELIABLE business partner by China, India, Pakistan, Egypt,Iran, Western Europe, Brazil and now Saudi Arabia (last week was the first time a Saudi king has ever gone to Moscow).

Bringing diplomatic solutions, not guns to a world weary of US led conflict that served American interests over their own.

You might not like it, but Canada is sorely out of synch with a world about to hit an explosive growth phase – and we may miss out with Truedope at the helm and feminazis writing our trade policies.

The 21st century resource king title is up for grabs and don’t assume that Canada is top contender any longer.

Food for investment strategy thought.

#135 rainclouds on 10.07.17 at 10:29 am

#111 Dick ? That you?

https://9gag.com/gag/axZpR9b/im-dick-from-the-internet
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On a FAR more important note, sent an email to MP Long, CC’d Selfie boy. Thanked the MP for his courage of conviction and suggested perhaps crossing the floor might be appropriate.

#136 saskatoon on 10.07.17 at 10:30 am

REAL leaders don’t need to take by force that gives them power.

#137 Screwed Canadian Millenial on 10.07.17 at 10:32 am

Why do you still support this program Garth? It boggles my mind.

This sexually abused migrant worker is now safe — but she knows others aren’t.
Mere weeks after she came to Canada, the migrant worker was threatened with deportation.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/migrants/2017/10/07/this-sexually-abused-migrant-worker-is-now-safe-but-she-knows-others-arent.html

#138 gfd on 10.07.17 at 10:36 am

. . . . wonderful Hillary’s book is an enlightenment not only Canadian style of politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9_RuzEna_E

#139 Jay (not that one) on 10.07.17 at 10:37 am

Hate to say it, but raising taxes after raising spending — that’s how it works. Trudeau was elected on a platform that included all sorts of spending. Next he kept a bunch of promises to spend more money. The next step is to either raise taxes, or let the country forever wallow in debt.

Irresponsible unfunded spending is one of the things that sunk the Harper government. If he had cut spending then cut taxes, then the budget could have stayed sane. Instead, he spent and cut, and drove Canada deeper into debt while proclaiming to be the fiscally responsible one. Whiny special interests didn’t sink Harper (and won’t sink Trudeau). General irresponsibility did.

Budgets do balance themselves. But you’re not going to like how they get balanced, because that money everyone wanted spent is going to come from your pockets. Surprise!

Like I said: bottom line is, it’s time for tax increases. Then budget cuts. After we’re paying for our stuff again, then we can talk modest tax cuts.

I’m sorry your special interest group isn’t keeping their tax loopholes. If this keeps up, they might have to give up and get real jobs that make enough money to live without government handouts.

#140 For those about to flop... on 10.07.17 at 10:38 am

6:59 am
#80 For those about to flop… on 10.06.17 at 8:24 pm
#216 unbalanced on 10.06.17 at 9:19 am
Whatever happened to the blogger—Metaxa??? He sure had some good stories.

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This is how I recall what happened on this matter,others may recall differently.

Metaxa seemed happy doing his thing and a shit disturber going by the handle Trader Jim seemed intent on winding a few people up on political debates.

Metaxa seemed to lose interest and I wrote him twice on here after he stopped posting to ask him to continue contributing as he had a way of sharing his experience and some success in life ,a little like Boom,without shoving it in your face.

Probably smart on Metaxa’s part to discontinue if the joy was gone as I think at that stage he was 70 and probably could do without the stress.

I think it’s obviously useful to be sharing different points of view and information on an array of topics.

Probably not useful trying to get each other’s blood pressure up…

M43BC

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Too much rabies and distemper on this site lately.

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Hey Workie,agreed.

You know something has gone horribly wrong when I’m trying to be the voice of reason on here.

The volatility of the comment section spikes up and down,usually an election has an effect on this but right now we should have relative peace.

It was only a month ago during “Boom Days” in early September that I felt proud of the regulars on here but the last week or so had me rubbing my eyes.

Garth recently disclosed that the average person that he helped out is 42 and has 200k to work with.

I think from my fuzzy memory as far as people who comment on here or read this site from one of the polls was 85% men , 15% women.

I would not be surprised if the average age of the regulars(someone who posts at least once every couple of days) is late 50s early 60s and as I said I don’t think coming here every day to get your blood pressure escalated is in your best interest.

I doubt very much that anything on here had any effect on what happened to Boom ,but since his death it has always been in the back of my mind when I see a couple of senior posters going for it that it is not worth it.

Personally, I do have reasonably high blood pressure (140ish) and so at work the past couple of years I have tried not to get so animated and on here if someone tries to be confrontational with me I try to diffuse the situation with humour , or as a last resort facts.

I consider myself fairly laid back and above no one on here,but their are a handful people on here that I don’t bother responding to as they are not interested in having a discussion,only having an argument and trying to needle you.

I do my Pink posts and put up my howmuch articles ,that helps show that I’m still supporting this blog, but some of you guys won’t make an original comment or post any extracted data as you seem to think the only way to get in on the conversation is to attack some guy who took the time to compose their thoughts on the issue of the day.

I’ve got a lot of time for you guys and I believe you get out of this blog what you put into it.

I think I have more fun on here than most ,because I don’t try and pretend to be anything that I’m not and I have support of people who accept me for who I am ,a blue collar bum with half a brain and the heart of a race horse…

M43BC

#141 Screwed Canadian Millenial on 10.07.17 at 10:39 am

#128 working man on 10.07.17 at 9:02 am

Children, retirees, students, homemakers etc. are not in the workforce. A claim that one-third of the US is unemployed is irrational. — Garth

Thanks for him correcting him Garth. It’s hilarious still seeing morons spouting the 100 million unemployed/42% unemployment rate talking point. I guess he didn’t get the memo. That was just made up bs because a certain “crowd”, couldn’t handle that the economy soared and unemployment cut in half under that evil Kenyan socialist Barack Hussein Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np40ayMJI1Y

Funny how Trump doesn’t talk about the “REAL” 42% unemployment rate anymore lol.

#142 Paul on 10.07.17 at 10:47 am

Another vehicle rams a crowd in London.
When is the world going to wake up!

#143 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 10:48 am

@#124 trumpocalypse2017

“YOU HAVE NO TIME FOR TURKEY THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!”
+++++++

The bunker list.
Beans. Check
Bumwad. Check.
Batteries. Check
Bullets. Check
Bullion. Check
Bible. Check

Canned cranberries. Check
Canned Turkey. Check
Canned gravy. Check
Party hats. Check

Can Opener. CAN OPENER??????

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

#144 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 10:53 am

@#137 Screwed Canadian Millenial Social Justice Warrior

wow!
Your “blame game” has reached a new (even for you) low.

#145 Reality1 on 10.07.17 at 10:53 am

to # 132 Penny Henny

Note in the article that they are leaving BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN BEGINS !

They know that their quasi criminal activities while in power would become vast liabilities to the Lieberals if they tried to run again.

They are smart creeps who know that it is time to leave before they are called out for their scandalous behavior. In fact, Liz’s knickname is Liz SCANDALS.

But, in true political pig fashion, they will keep their snouts in the trough until the very last viable paycheck.

Do you ever wonder what kind of man could stand being married to these self serving and detestable hags?

#146 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 11:12 am

@#134 Reality1

“Putin is quickly changing the dynamic in the Middle East and elsewhere and finding a receptive audience of nations.

He is showing Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Quatar and Saudi Kingdom an alternative path for mutual BENEFIT ………

Of course Russia benefits – but so does EVERY party to the potential peace
+++++++++

Putin IS one of the richest men in Russia ( at least until he’s overthrown) due to obscene corruption on a scale not to be believed.
He’s a BILLIONAIRE on a public servant’s salary. His son in law is now a billionaire, his long time friends are now billionaires …….all while Putin came into power.
Putin’s estimated wealth? $9 billion and climbing.
Anyone who challenges him is jailed or assassinated.
But he’s a pariah everywhere else a semblance of the rule of Law still exists. 9 Billion millstones around his neck and he’s stuck in his gilded cage.
Eventually he’ll be gone. Living in some other country with billions electronically moving from safe haven to safe haven.
Quite a life.

Interesting all the countries in the middle east you have named are either dictatorships, kingdoms, or failed states…..and the alternative path of “mutual benefit” is for whom?
Their citizens? Hardly.

Nah . As Russia rots from the inside out, the EU rots from the inside out (Britain dithers with the Brexit debacle, Spain deals with seccessionist flames that could spread to Scotland, Italy, East Germany, etc.etc.etc.), the Middle East rots from the inside out, Asia ducks ‘Rocket Man’s” phallic experiments….. and as America busy’s itself navel gazing…….

China grows stronger every day.

#147 Bobs ur uncle on 10.07.17 at 11:14 am

Had no idea you were a supporter of proportional representation.

#148 50 YEARS OF MAPLE LEAF INCOMPETENCE! on 10.07.17 at 11:18 am

Lololol!

Look at all the delusional Toronto losers lining up to lose their money again!!

http://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2017/10/toronto-maple-leafs-home-opener-tailgate-party/

50 years of breathtaking organizational incompetence!

50 years of ripping off fans!

50 years of trading their best prospects away!

…..and 50 more years ahead of the same!

No wonder Toronto/GTA is in such a delusional real estate bubble.

Your area, like your team, is pathetic and third rate at best.

Your streets are clogged and disgusting. Your neighbourhoods are either gentrified and snooty…..

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/10/05/forest-hill-homeowners-claim-neighbours-duplicated-their-house-design.html

..or racialized and violent

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/news-story/7502822-gunshots-fired-into-brampton-home-sending-neighbourhood-into-a-panic/

This year, Toronto is ranked, among the most liveable cities in Canada as…..

#129 in Canada.

http://www.moneysense.ca/save/canadas-best-places-to-live-2017-overview/

129 in Canada!!

Good grief, Toronto is a deplorable sinkhole in its own country!!

World class? Not by a long shot.

Go Leafs Go!

Straight to the bank, with the cash of all the loser/idiots who support you with the money they have left over from gambling on slanty semis and crappy condos!

TORONTO SUCKS!!!!

#149 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 11:23 am

@#134 Reality1

I’m sorry.
I was wrong.
Putin’s estimated wealth( according to the C.I.A.) as of 2016.
$40 BILLION
All on his govt salary. Amazing.

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://www.globalo.com/private-jets-corgis-luxury-homes-army-contracts-inside-putins-gang/&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwi_-p3F5t7WAhUP5GMKHcmuCs4QFggtMAQ&usg=AOvVaw0NL6-A5OK5_HVdtFoH5_GM

#150 X on 10.07.17 at 11:49 am

Nice consultation period. If they aren’t even listening to their own party members, they aren’t listening to the public.

#151 For those about to flop... on 10.07.17 at 11:54 am

I’m sorry if someone already put this article up ,but all this talk of Putin reminded me to put a splash of vodka on my corn flakes…

M43BC

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/bring-back-the-dollar10000-tfsa/ar-AAsYsj6?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout

#152 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 11:55 am

@ Reality1

Silly me.
Another year another $150 Billion.

Putin……The richest man in the World?

https://www.google.ca/url?url=https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/31/financier-bill-browder-says-vladimir-putin-is-worth-200-billion.html&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj_36bI7t7WAhVL92MKHe1_DrQQFggaMAE&usg=AOvVaw1Ake5G4CnLg74dFS5Vm9V5

all on a govt salary…..amazing

#153 Kurt on 10.07.17 at 12:00 pm

Garth, I agree with pretty much everything except “Trudeau is just like Harper”. Harper ran the party with an iron fist. With the Liberals, the iron fist is owned by people in the shadows, and Trudeau is nothing more than the velvet glove.

#154 Sunnyside on 10.07.17 at 12:08 pm

Quebec is Great, long way to go, TurnerNation : Appreciate your comments on my #47 post about stale and declining list prices even in demand areas from the core of Toronto. Many people are wrongly assuming only the Brampton, Mississauga, and Stouville types are hurting in the early stages of this correction. The 416 is feeling it in a large way too.

And the shitee thing? Secretive realtor data means individuals must do the tracking themselves – unless of course I’m a jilted realtor pissed at no check in ages due to greed and regulator ineptness.

#155 Penny Henny on 10.07.17 at 12:09 pm

#145 Reality1 on 10.07.17 at 10:53 am
to # 132 Penny Henny

Note in the article that they are leaving BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN BEGINS !

They know that their quasi criminal activities while in power would become vast liabilities to the Lieberals if they tried to run again.

They are smart creeps who know that it is time to leave before they are called out for their scandalous behavior. In fact, Liz’s knickname is Liz SCANDALS.

But, in true political pig fashion, they will keep their snouts in the trough until the very last viable paycheck.

Do you ever wonder what kind of man could stand being married to these self serving and detestable hags?

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that last sentence made me shudder!

#156 Oft deleted much maligned stock.picker on 10.07.17 at 12:17 pm

Bwahahahahahahshaha!

#157 For those about to flop... on 10.07.17 at 12:19 pm

#154 Sunnyside on 10.07.17 at 12:08 pm

And the shitee thing? Secretive realtor data means individuals must do the tracking themselves – unless of course I’m a jilted realtor pissed at no check in ages due to greed and regulator ineptness.

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Wanna help channel that energy and do a few recent sales with me?

If not I understand, but I will keep banging on the steel wall with my rubber mallet…

M43BC

#158 };-) on 10.07.17 at 12:22 pm

Politics these days it seems is all about celebrity and nothing of substance.

#159 };-) on 10.07.17 at 12:28 pm

The people get the government they deserve.

#160 MF on 10.07.17 at 12:32 pm

Reality 1,

You are correct, The world is divided into 2 camps. But this is far from some new development and that’s where you are wrong.

It’s basically Those who wants the west to fall and those who don’t.

Any time someone “switches” to the other side, someone else is happy to take their place.

The problem with the “other side” (Russia and Mid East states) is they are nothing more than corrupt totalitarian dictatorships. Their paranoia will always be their biggest flaw and downfall.

Say what you say about US (or Canada’s) democracy or capitalism…but the alternatives will always fail (thankfully).

I would NOT bet against the US.

MF

#161 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.07.17 at 12:46 pm

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#162 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.07.17 at 1:03 pm

STILL DELETED

#163 Ian on 10.07.17 at 1:17 pm

Canada should kick all Cuban diplomats out until they can somehow explain why our diplomats suffered a sonic attack. The US did. We should be ahead of that, not behind it.

Does The Snowboarder not care about us? Kick them out and get them to explain it.

#164 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 1:19 pm

@#151 flopster

“all this talk of Putin reminded me to put a splash of vodka on my corn flakes

++++++
Multi tasking. Eating while drinking…..
Excellent time saver
I may inbibe with beer and sausages.
Cheers mate!

#165 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.07.17 at 1:28 pm

Garth, I thought you were a champion of free speech? Isn’t that what you argued when Harper kicked you out of caucus? And now we learn that you also have Trump Derangement Syndrome and that you promote a globalist agenda … how is it OK for you to suggest that Trump supporters have small dicks but when someone presents arguments proving that he won the popular vote you delete their comments? Yeah, I know it’s ‘your’ blog, but I thought you encouraged dissenting opinions? … because the only people who shut down civil discourse are trying to hide something.

You were deleted for posting a link to a moronic article suggesting dead people voted against Trump. Just go away. — Garth

#166 For those about to flop... on 10.07.17 at 1:32 pm

Pink Pumpkins being carved in North Vancouver.

This is a former Possible Pinkie that I kept as a candidate since April ,mainly because of the low assessment and now they must be wondering where the finish line is.

Picked up for 1.97 with an assessment of 1.81 this is their second or third reduction as no one else seems to think it has a 2 million dollar Panoramic view…

M43BC

2355 PANORAMA DR NORTH VANCOUVER .

2355 Panorama Drive, North Vancouver

Apr 25:$2,398,000
Oct 6: $2,149,000
Change: – 249000.00 -10%

https://www.zolo.ca/index.php?sarea=2355%20Panorama%20Drive,%20North%20Vancouver&filter=1

https://evaluebc.bcassessment.ca/Property.aspx?_oa=QTAwMDAyOFBKNw==

#167 Canadian Screwed Millenial on 10.07.17 at 1:35 pm

Apparently the way to get rich in this country is to run a farm or a Tim Hortons franchise, get the government to import a bunch of 3rd world slave labourers, ignore labour law, house them all in shacks, and deduct their rent straight off their paycheque.

I guess I missed the memo. Here I thought slavery was bad. Silly Canadian I am.

Either that or just be a foreign gangster or terrorist organization, and use the Canadian housing market to launder my ill gotten gains. Hell I could probably even open a TFSA.

What a pathetic joke this country has become.

#168 Wrk.dover on 10.07.17 at 1:41 pm

#140 For those about to flop… on 10.07.17 at 10:38 am
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I usually blow a 120/80 with a pulse of 60. Had a 24 hour monitor on a decade ago and recorded a 20 pulse at 5 am. Doctor thought it was hilarious, that I was dead for three seconds twenty times a minute. He said I would die sooner than later, and it would be in my sleep! So don’t be worried about my head exploding from posters mistaking their opinions for fact.

When I do stop posting, very soon, it will be due to too much of that opinion thing being used by Alpha dog creationist/7,000,000,000,000 eating cooked meals every night man made change deniers on here.

Facts are facts Sport! And I love ’em! All of ’em!

So, keep up your project, it will start to prove you out concisely soon.

M64NS

#169 Wrk.dover on 10.07.17 at 1:43 pm

O.K., so edit out three zeros all you haters…

#170 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 1:43 pm

@#148

50 years of Maple Leaf Incompetance
++++++++

Apparently you’ve never been to a Canucks game……

Free beer and meat draws for the rare season ticket holders….

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/want-to-learn-canucks-new-mottos-just-look-at-this-message-to-season-ticket-holders&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiy7o3Vh9_WAhUV2GMKHdlIDxAQFggiMAA&usg=AOvVaw1Q6xNi4Dz9PgtIIqXK_RiU

#171 estimates on 10.07.17 at 2:08 pm

#152 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 11:55 am

@ Reality1

Silly me.
Another year another $150 Billion.

Putin……The richest man in the World?

https://www.google.ca/url?url=https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/31/financier-bill-browder-says-vladimir-putin-is-worth-200-billion.html&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj_36bI7t7WAhVL92MKHe1_DrQQFggaMAE&usg=AOvVaw1Ake5G4CnLg74dFS5Vm9V5

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Maybe maybe not.

The guy making the estimate is not exactly what you call an independent source.

#172 the2ndcomingofjohngalt on 10.07.17 at 2:09 pm

#36 Dolce Vita on 10.06 at 6.52 pm

Anybody with reasonable intelligence by casual observation that has spent the last 25-35 living in Vancouver as an adult working at a median income would conclude that the cost of real estate has long ago decoupled from any local socio/ economic metric. I really don’t understand why it’s even worth debating/discussing anymore. Granted, the old adage “it’s worth what someone’s willing to pay for it” rings true, especially in the particular case of real estate,in Vancouver that leaves the vast majority of median income earners,and generational Vancouverites on the outside looking in. Thank you for the link to Douglas Todds editorials,a lot of good information suggesting the root causes.

ps;What tenet of capitalism suggests/presumes a social contract by its own definition, isn’t that really at the core of this subject matter?

#173 Reality 1 on 10.07.17 at 2:14 pm

to #146 crowdedelevatorfartz

“China grows stronger every day”.

Yeah, on Russian oil, gas and natural resources.

I think you need to read something other than MSM propaganda.

I deal with people from the middle east – they are more optimistic than ever and credit Putin and Russia for this.

Ever heard of the “Silk Road” project?

Russia is cultivating a relationship with Pakistan – not killing it citizens with drones a la USA.

Who is promoting diplomacy rather than another war on the Korean peninsula – Russia.

Who is investing 5 Billion with the Kurds and getting Iraq, Iran and Syria and now Saudis to the bargaining table. Americans ? Hardly. Again Putin.

Bibi Netanyahou of Israel goes to see him, as do the Greeks and Saudis – he doesn’t go to them – they now court his favour.

The American / Israeli / ISIS axis of destruction is coming to an end slowly, but surely.

When a US senator went to Syria to do her anonymous research, she found that 80% of average Joe Syrians told her that ISIS is an American construct.

The US / Qatari pipeline plans and Israel’s grab for the resources of Northern Syria are the proximate cause of this war to remove a democratically elected Assad. You might not like him, but they do.
Don’t be so naive.

So, Putin has enriched himself and his cronies – ahem , need I mention the Clinton Foundation pay for play , the Bush family and most recently the Goldman Sachs cabal that currently surrounds Trump? Wake the f*ck up.

Who has the highest approval rating of his citizens – again Mr. Putin.

I am no fan of his, but he is the one preaching negotiation and using diplomacy that is 3D chess compared to America’s / Trump’s flailing game of checkers. He is the one that has provided the forces to kick ISIS’s ass in 6 months after the US couldn’t do it in 2 years with 3 times the resources.

Who destroyed Libya ?
Who is surrounding Russia on all borders with offensive weapons in strict contravention of US / Russia agreements? Did the US like missiles in Cuba in 1962 ?

America seeks war, Russia seeks trade to mutual benefit to effect change.

If he is solely a thug, and very rich, why would he waste his time on all these initiatives? Maybe he cares more about his people and homeland than other leaders do.

Geopolitics is a rough game and without the counterbalance of regional superpowers such as China and Russia – America would not be the “world’s policeman” , but its dictator of terms.

I thought you were smarter than that.

My bad.

#174 Reality 1 on 10.07.17 at 2:27 pm

to comment # 149 crowdedelevatorfartz

Keep reading – you might see some other errors in the information supporting your argument(s).

I refuse to believe a person of your wit / humour / obvious intelligence can’t question the media’s distortions.

You seem to utilize those capabilities when it comes to RE media reporting if I recall correctly.

#175 Lost...but not leased on 10.07.17 at 2:29 pm

……”Politicians are too cowardly to make citizens uncomfortable for their future as comfortable citizens do not generally elect those who have made them uncomfortable.”

Roderick Haig Brown

#176 Reality 1 on 10.07.17 at 2:46 pm

to # 160 MF

I guess you didn’t comprehend my post very well.

My post concerned the alternatives to Canada’s resources for the world to purchase and that there are vendors, such as Russia, that can supplant Canada.
And for less money and without silly SJW conditions in the terms of trade.
And that they are out there promoting diplomacy to effect that trade.

The Middle East may be full of tyrants, but their populations need to eat and other resources to grow their burgeoning young populations.

They ALL suffer from food supply insecurity – Egypt imports over 60% of its caloric requirements.

The last thing Russia or China (both dictatorships by definition) wants is the West to fail. They want to trade.

They know that the West will use its own rules to bury itself, but they want to profit from the USA and its technology, not go to war with it.

I wouldn’t bet against the US either – but the US will not f*ck with 8,000 Russian MERVed warheads either.

#177 Smoking Man on 10.07.17 at 3:02 pm

#167 Canadian Screwed Millenial on 10.07.17 at 1:35 pm
Apparently the way to get rich in this country is to run a farm or a Tim Hortons franchise, get the government to import a bunch of 3rd world slave labourers, ignore labour law, house them all in shacks, and deduct their rent straight off their paycheque.

I guess I missed the memo. Here I thought slavery was bad. Silly Canadian I am.

Either that or just be a foreign gangster or terrorist organization, and use the Canadian housing market to launder my ill gotten gains. Hell I could probably even open a TFSA.

What a pathetic joke this country has become.

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Give T2 another year to totally screw things up.

#178 Harvey Weinstein on 10.07.17 at 3:41 pm

#165 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.07.17 at 1:28 pm

Garth, … how is it OK for you to suggest that Trump supporters have small dicks but when someone presents arguments proving that he won the popular vote you delete their comments.

You were deleted for posting a link to a moronic article suggesting dead people voted against Trump. Just go away. — Garth

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Dear Honorable Garth Turner.

There is no value proposition difference in suggesting that Trump supporters have small dicks and suggesting that dead people voted against Trump.

They are both moronic.

What’s moronic is pursuing this. — Garth

#179 crowdedelevatorfartz on 10.07.17 at 3:46 pm

@#171 Estimates
@#174 Reality1

Well I will agree that Trump has Middle Eastern, European, Asian and Western Hemispere leaders running screaming for the exits every time he opens his mouth.

I guess only time, and possibly a putsch in the Kremlin will tell…..
Putin running for another term as President? You bet.
Will he have to jail or assassinate the opposition? Probably.
Will anyone notice?
Probably not.
Will he be worth $400 Billion in 5 years?
At this rate.
Definitely

#180 Fran Deck Jr. on 10.07.17 at 5:26 pm

DELETED

Got the message yet? — Garth

#181 Lost...but not leased on 10.07.17 at 5:37 pm

I am yet to be convinced on alternate fuel /energy…but the cases for hydrocarbon(BTW their is no such thing as fossil fuel….that is Rockefeller propoganda) require a lot of scrutiny.

Andrew Nikiforuk articles are graat objective critique on this…one point is that Oil Sands and Frakking are adding 80% of the new oil on the market, but due to lower demand this is creating a glut and thus a price collapse.

#182 Steuy on 10.07.17 at 5:52 pm

Poor Wayne will likely be punted from the party and forced to pay higher taxes as a small business owner. Thanks T2.

#183 Sunnyside on 10.07.17 at 6:03 pm

#157 For those about to flop… on 10.07.17 at 12:19 pm

Wanna help channel that energy and do a few recent sales with me?
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Sure, how? Let us know your routine. I have a more tracked and when they no longer appear on MLS I assume they have sold but don’t know the sale price. Sometimes, the listing is just ‘resting’ and it comes back on later too of course.

#184 45north on 10.07.17 at 10:08 pm

When Wayne Long got back to the cute little airport in Saint John this week there was a crowd waiting. Something weird happened. Citizens had come to applaud the guy. ‘Thank you, Wayne,’ they said. And he got a bit choked up.

collateral damage In his mind this was Morneau’s best play and in Trudeau’s mind, he couldn’t think of a better one. Funny Wayne Long thought his best play was to do his job.

Andrewt: This stuff isn’t easy. But it could be done. The Trudeau gang should admit there’s complexity here and roll up their sleeves on this. Still plenty of time in their mandate.

funny I think Morneau’s ready to roll up his sleeves but Trudeau’s not up for complexity. You also cannot do complexity with a 75 day consultation period – the first round would be 90 days. Frankly I think “income tax fairness for the middle class” is a valid objective but the objective “diversity of business within an industry” is more important. There is a compounding of interests that favour the easy approach – general elections are won with “easy” slogans; Trudeau personally can only do “easy things”; there is a class of civil servants who have risen through the ranks with the “easy” approach. ( I worked in the Federal Civil Service for 40 years. ) My objective – “diversity of business within an industry” is complex and would require the Department of Finance to roll up its collective sleeves.

To get back to the subject of doing your job. It is in the best interests of the country that the complexity of Canadian business and the tax system be addressed. It’s the job of the Prime Minister and his ministers to make sure the Department of Finance have that firmly in mind.

#185 Arne on 10.09.17 at 12:30 pm

Garth, stick to what you know.