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		<title>By: JoeCalgary</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60330</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeCalgary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, #91.  If the statement you quoted had been made about any other category of person, it would have been recognized and widely-rejected immediately for the discriminatory hatred it was.

Perhaps a renewed take on the helpful hostful reminders about abusive, obscene and disrespectful comment(er)s might remind that women are people too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, #91.  If the statement you quoted had been made about any other category of person, it would have been recognized and widely-rejected immediately for the discriminatory hatred it was.</p>
<p>Perhaps a renewed take on the helpful hostful reminders about abusive, obscene and disrespectful comment(er)s might remind that women are people too.</p>
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		<title>By: canadianpatriot</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60269</link>
		<dc:creator>canadianpatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks ronaldo for the info. on peak canadian interest rates, and your insightful personal historical tale.  

it is absolutely amazing to me that people were rushing to the bank in order to lock in at 20+% in 1981!  

oh, how quickly so many souls forget!

hopefully read more from you concerning future garth posts.  

cheers and thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks ronaldo for the info. on peak canadian interest rates, and your insightful personal historical tale.  </p>
<p>it is absolutely amazing to me that people were rushing to the bank in order to lock in at 20+% in 1981!  </p>
<p>oh, how quickly so many souls forget!</p>
<p>hopefully read more from you concerning future garth posts.  </p>
<p>cheers and thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: garthfan</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60262</link>
		<dc:creator>garthfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A shame to be fretting over whether to shut the barn door once the horse has bolted.  A better question might be, what possibilities still exist for the property in question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A shame to be fretting over whether to shut the barn door once the horse has bolted.  A better question might be, what possibilities still exist for the property in question?</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60163</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#139 TheTruth

The variable you have forgotten to account for   is &quot;affordabilty&quot; or lack thereof. A &quot;bubble&quot; is not so much of supply and demand in THAT particular bubble market as it is  the feeder markets which eventually can no longer sustain.  

Immigrants won&#039;t be buying homes on the paultry after tax disposable income they, as all middle class Canadians, face being left with in years to come as our government struggles with the unmanageable debt left  long after the stimulus party is over and the bills must then be paid. 

Supply and demand... if the disposable money supply dries up so too will demand and prices will fall. Increasing immigration might only moderately cushion the snap back to equalibrium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#139 TheTruth</p>
<p>The variable you have forgotten to account for   is &#8220;affordabilty&#8221; or lack thereof. A &#8220;bubble&#8221; is not so much of supply and demand in THAT particular bubble market as it is  the feeder markets which eventually can no longer sustain.  </p>
<p>Immigrants won&#8217;t be buying homes on the paultry after tax disposable income they, as all middle class Canadians, face being left with in years to come as our government struggles with the unmanageable debt left  long after the stimulus party is over and the bills must then be paid. </p>
<p>Supply and demand&#8230; if the disposable money supply dries up so too will demand and prices will fall. Increasing immigration might only moderately cushion the snap back to equalibrium.</p>
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		<title>By: The Original Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60162</link>
		<dc:creator>The Original Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ronaldo 117
    Gold would have to be 7500 $(give or take) to make what I have in a little Quebec lithium mine in one year.

    It has been mothballed since the chinese flooded the market and they just slammed the door shut on ree’s . I’ll see your gold and raise you my lithium . It payed for last summers vacation and all my original cash out . Above ground ,below ground . Above ground I’ll give you that one . Below ground (core samples ) I ‘m reminded of mark twain saying .” a gold miner is a liar standing beside a hole in the ground “
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someone who played things exactly as I did!  I&#039;m just trying to figure out which you bought.  Ticker ends with a &quot;c&quot; I&#039;m guessing.  I bought that one and 5-6 others.  

but i do think that the gold juniors will be the biggest winner in the next few years, closely followed by what you mentioned and a few other sectors.

good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ronaldo 117<br />
    Gold would have to be 7500 $(give or take) to make what I have in a little Quebec lithium mine in one year.</p>
<p>    It has been mothballed since the chinese flooded the market and they just slammed the door shut on ree’s . I’ll see your gold and raise you my lithium . It payed for last summers vacation and all my original cash out . Above ground ,below ground . Above ground I’ll give you that one . Below ground (core samples ) I ‘m reminded of mark twain saying .” a gold miner is a liar standing beside a hole in the ground “<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>someone who played things exactly as I did!  I&#8217;m just trying to figure out which you bought.  Ticker ends with a &#8220;c&#8221; I&#8217;m guessing.  I bought that one and 5-6 others.  </p>
<p>but i do think that the gold juniors will be the biggest winner in the next few years, closely followed by what you mentioned and a few other sectors.</p>
<p>good luck</p>
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		<title>By: TheTruth</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60154</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#143 smw

Samrtypants?? I believe everyone is smart in his/her own way.

Wall Street you say didnt see it coming?? Come on...of course they knew what they were doing.  They made profits in 2009 while losses were socialized.  The goal of these financial corporations is to make money whether it is good for others or not.  Even when someone goes bankrupt, someone makes money.  That is our system.  

Why don&#039;t you buy a ski resort,  get huge mortgages and loans against it, funnel that money to you friends, then declare bankruptcy.  Then those friends will offer to buy it if the government pitches in some.  Does anybody really lose in the scenario??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#143 smw</p>
<p>Samrtypants?? I believe everyone is smart in his/her own way.</p>
<p>Wall Street you say didnt see it coming?? Come on&#8230;of course they knew what they were doing.  They made profits in 2009 while losses were socialized.  The goal of these financial corporations is to make money whether it is good for others or not.  Even when someone goes bankrupt, someone makes money.  That is our system.  </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you buy a ski resort,  get huge mortgages and loans against it, funnel that money to you friends, then declare bankruptcy.  Then those friends will offer to buy it if the government pitches in some.  Does anybody really lose in the scenario??</p>
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		<title>By: Dan in Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan in Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post#3 Jet. Good link. Okay first time buyers lets pick a  picture. The kitchen.
Look at the uppers over the sink. Little cramped for space on the left between the cabinet and sink. A big guy like me would have that cabinet door right in the kisser.
Look at how the upper cabinet deadends into the other upper, look at the top right of the pass through. Now look at where the cabinet joins.
Sink base and upper,  look on the left top to bottom. Is it a straight line?
The kitchen base is over butting into the other base, no filler strip. Hows that corner base work.
How about when you open the sink base door on the right, goes into the dishwasher. Handle into the face of the dishwasher.
What about when you open the dishwasher door, blocks the sink doesn&#039;t it?
Microwave over the stove is it on a shelf?
If it is how does the vent work, and the light? Hint it sucks from the bottom.
And did you look at the elevation picture of the house?
See it?
Look at the front door, oval window or square.
Look at the hand rail.
Alright, look at the color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post#3 Jet. Good link. Okay first time buyers lets pick a  picture. The kitchen.<br />
Look at the uppers over the sink. Little cramped for space on the left between the cabinet and sink. A big guy like me would have that cabinet door right in the kisser.<br />
Look at how the upper cabinet deadends into the other upper, look at the top right of the pass through. Now look at where the cabinet joins.<br />
Sink base and upper,  look on the left top to bottom. Is it a straight line?<br />
The kitchen base is over butting into the other base, no filler strip. Hows that corner base work.<br />
How about when you open the sink base door on the right, goes into the dishwasher. Handle into the face of the dishwasher.<br />
What about when you open the dishwasher door, blocks the sink doesn&#8217;t it?<br />
Microwave over the stove is it on a shelf?<br />
If it is how does the vent work, and the light? Hint it sucks from the bottom.<br />
And did you look at the elevation picture of the house?<br />
See it?<br />
Look at the front door, oval window or square.<br />
Look at the hand rail.<br />
Alright, look at the color.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-4/#comment-60129</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, if y&#039;all keep talking about Vancouver RE tanking it will never happen.  Why don&#039;t we all start saying it&#039;s cheap and it will go up forever....then it will tank.

Seriously, what&#039;s really happening and that no one is talking about is a mass transformation.  Vancouver was once a local market. It&#039;s now become a global market with interest from around the world.  If you have not been to Vancouver to see this then you have no comment worth considering.  Essentially the rich will always be rich even in poor or bad markets.  They still buy Mercedes when the market is in a recession, they still buy property -maybe at better prices but they still live the lifestyle.  What we are seeing in slow motion is the movement of regular folks with regular salaries being pushed out of Vancouver.   There will be a people who live here and then there will be people who have to move away to different cities and provinces.  There will be a much larger descrepancy between those that can afford to live downtown and those who will comute a la Los Angeles where people drive one or two hours into the city everyday.

This is what&#039;s happening.  You all think that the market will collapse because YOU can&#039;t afford it, but there are many that can and will.  Vancouver has a beautifully planned neighborhood with green spaces, biking, walking skiing and everything at your doorstep.  This is value and quality of life.  People will pay.    Those that can&#039;t afford the life, will complain and move out.   This is what&#039;s happening and will continue.  Yes, there will be RE corrections.  But, good real estate in Vancouver is priceless.  Ask me how I know, I was born here and have seen every market the last 60 years.  Wake up to the new reality, Vancouve is not all of a sudden going to be 50% less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, if y&#8217;all keep talking about Vancouver RE tanking it will never happen.  Why don&#8217;t we all start saying it&#8217;s cheap and it will go up forever&#8230;.then it will tank.</p>
<p>Seriously, what&#8217;s really happening and that no one is talking about is a mass transformation.  Vancouver was once a local market. It&#8217;s now become a global market with interest from around the world.  If you have not been to Vancouver to see this then you have no comment worth considering.  Essentially the rich will always be rich even in poor or bad markets.  They still buy Mercedes when the market is in a recession, they still buy property -maybe at better prices but they still live the lifestyle.  What we are seeing in slow motion is the movement of regular folks with regular salaries being pushed out of Vancouver.   There will be a people who live here and then there will be people who have to move away to different cities and provinces.  There will be a much larger descrepancy between those that can afford to live downtown and those who will comute a la Los Angeles where people drive one or two hours into the city everyday.</p>
<p>This is what&#8217;s happening.  You all think that the market will collapse because YOU can&#8217;t afford it, but there are many that can and will.  Vancouver has a beautifully planned neighborhood with green spaces, biking, walking skiing and everything at your doorstep.  This is value and quality of life.  People will pay.    Those that can&#8217;t afford the life, will complain and move out.   This is what&#8217;s happening and will continue.  Yes, there will be RE corrections.  But, good real estate in Vancouver is priceless.  Ask me how I know, I was born here and have seen every market the last 60 years.  Wake up to the new reality, Vancouve is not all of a sudden going to be 50% less.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronaldo</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/02/01/faded/comment-page-3/#comment-60127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronaldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#139 The Truth - here is an analysis which may be of interest to you as someone who has analyzed the variables.


http://divestor.com/2009/12/06/what-makes-vancouver-real-estate-so-expensive/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#139 The Truth &#8211; here is an analysis which may be of interest to you as someone who has analyzed the variables.</p>
<p><a href="http://divestor.com/2009/12/06/what-makes-vancouver-real-estate-so-expensive/" rel="nofollow">http://divestor.com/2009/12/06/what-makes-vancouver-real-estate-so-expensive/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allright you&#039;re coming to Cowtown, watch out for all the statists we seem to be growing here, the morons who think healthcare is free (how much tax do we pay people, hello, duh, healthcare is not &quot;free.&quot;), and that things like government schools and government roads are a right, hahahahaha!!!! 

The person in Oakridge, your house is only worth what someone will pay for it, period. I&#039;m sure taxes will skyrocket in Calgary, after all we have two 25 million dollar bridges to build over the bow so yuppie/hippy retards can stop global warming. 

People are stupid enough to think their property taxes pay for things like schools, healthcare, roads, police, fire, not even close, property taxes are not high enough to pay for those things, corporate taxes pay for those things. Anything the government does the private sector can do cheaper and better and usually faster, anyone in Alberta remember when Telus was AGT or the province had booze stores, you know the ALCB? Both were a joke, poor service, poor selection, open till noon on a weekday. Imagine if healthcare and education were privatized, and no, US healthcare is not private, its controlled by the insurance and pharmacutical industries. True privatization means no government involvement and when you have that you have the best situation. Think what it would be like if the government ran the supermarkets or the clothing stores or the housing industry, want some bread, go stand in line for a day. Its funny how the things we need to survive, food, clothing and shelter; we trust in the private sector to provide. Things we don&#039;t need to survive; education, medicine, roads, police etc. we think we need the government to provide lest fire and brimstone rain down from the sky to smite us. Ever see naked people just walking around your town, no? Me neither, but we need the government to provide us with clothing or we will have naked people dying in the streets, hmmm? Not happening people. Think, government is not part of the problem, it is the problem, insanity: walking into a voting booth and thinking anything will change. Politics is just a hamster wheel, your team wins then you reward your friends and punish your enemies, next time you get punished, and so on, and so on. 50 years ago people were bitching and moaning about government bailouts etc, same shit, different era, we get stuffed while the rich get richer, nothing has changed, happy now you&#039;ve wasted your life worrying about politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allright you&#8217;re coming to Cowtown, watch out for all the statists we seem to be growing here, the morons who think healthcare is free (how much tax do we pay people, hello, duh, healthcare is not &#8220;free.&#8221;), and that things like government schools and government roads are a right, hahahahaha!!!! </p>
<p>The person in Oakridge, your house is only worth what someone will pay for it, period. I&#8217;m sure taxes will skyrocket in Calgary, after all we have two 25 million dollar bridges to build over the bow so yuppie/hippy retards can stop global warming. </p>
<p>People are stupid enough to think their property taxes pay for things like schools, healthcare, roads, police, fire, not even close, property taxes are not high enough to pay for those things, corporate taxes pay for those things. Anything the government does the private sector can do cheaper and better and usually faster, anyone in Alberta remember when Telus was AGT or the province had booze stores, you know the ALCB? Both were a joke, poor service, poor selection, open till noon on a weekday. Imagine if healthcare and education were privatized, and no, US healthcare is not private, its controlled by the insurance and pharmacutical industries. True privatization means no government involvement and when you have that you have the best situation. Think what it would be like if the government ran the supermarkets or the clothing stores or the housing industry, want some bread, go stand in line for a day. Its funny how the things we need to survive, food, clothing and shelter; we trust in the private sector to provide. Things we don&#8217;t need to survive; education, medicine, roads, police etc. we think we need the government to provide lest fire and brimstone rain down from the sky to smite us. Ever see naked people just walking around your town, no? Me neither, but we need the government to provide us with clothing or we will have naked people dying in the streets, hmmm? Not happening people. Think, government is not part of the problem, it is the problem, insanity: walking into a voting booth and thinking anything will change. Politics is just a hamster wheel, your team wins then you reward your friends and punish your enemies, next time you get punished, and so on, and so on. 50 years ago people were bitching and moaning about government bailouts etc, same shit, different era, we get stuffed while the rich get richer, nothing has changed, happy now you&#8217;ve wasted your life worrying about politics?</p>
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