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		<title>By: The Coming Depression</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/01/07/subprime-nation/comment-page-4/#comment-57028</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coming Depression</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its called &quot;SUBPRIME LOSERS&quot;  like the comedy  movie coming out soon about the 4 Real Estate agents who started it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its called &#8220;SUBPRIME LOSERS&#8221;  like the comedy  movie coming out soon about the 4 Real Estate agents who started it all.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/01/07/subprime-nation/comment-page-4/#comment-57021</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one more thing about the airport body scanners to consider: if bombarding your body with microwave energy is considered to be safe, why do you suppose that the manufacturers of these new body scanner devices felt compelled to coin a new term (milimeter wave) for Microwave energy? 

You don&#039;t suppose they&#039;re trying to keep you ignorant do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one more thing about the airport body scanners to consider: if bombarding your body with microwave energy is considered to be safe, why do you suppose that the manufacturers of these new body scanner devices felt compelled to coin a new term (milimeter wave) for Microwave energy? </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t suppose they&#8217;re trying to keep you ignorant do you?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/01/07/subprime-nation/comment-page-4/#comment-57020</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#185  nonplused on 01.09.10 at 1:21 am 

1) Remarkably, it appears that you haven&#039;t been paying attention to the FACT that controversy still surrounds the use of cell phones and their effect on the human body. Not even the well paid cell phone manufacturer lobby groups have overcome that issue. There have been numerous studies suggesting a correlation between long term cell phone use and brain cancer. Do a little research for yourself. Until a definitive answer is found, I use a hands free cell phone and so should you. Please educate yourself.

2) With all due respect to your apparent ability to microwave a cup of water, your pseudo scientific argument is senseless. See above...there is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that bombardment with microwave energy is not harmful to humans. No one suggested that bombardment with microwave energy would turn someone into a cup of java (well, no one but you). 

What is clear is that there are numerous studies that have concluded that microwave energy could be harmful to human beings. However there have been a number of studies that suggest that microwave irradiation (think body scanners) may trigger cells to mutate and that microwave radiation may trigger DNA mutation (think Cancer). 

The jury is still out but if you feel that you and your family are willing to take a completely uniformed risk, go right ahead.

3) Clearly you do not understand basic electricity. Energy at 60Hz is not the same thing as energy in the Giga Hz range which is the frequency range of cell phone technology and these new &quot;milimeter wave&quot; body scanners.  Those devices operate at frequencies generically referred to as microwave.

To suggest that full body microwave energy bombardment is safe because we&#039;ve been exposed to NON microwave energy for many years without harm is senseless. It&#039;s like saying driving a car is very safe because I use a sewing machine twice a week. Apples to Oranges.

Some people are meekly compliant and remarkably trusting, some think for themselves. Each and every one of us has the option of being one or the other. Clearly you&#039;ve made your choice. I have too,  and I am with Robert. I will not knowingly allow my body to be irradiated with microwave energy from these new Body Scanners (at any level) until I am satisfied that it will do no harm to me.

Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#185  nonplused on 01.09.10 at 1:21 am </p>
<p>1) Remarkably, it appears that you haven&#8217;t been paying attention to the FACT that controversy still surrounds the use of cell phones and their effect on the human body. Not even the well paid cell phone manufacturer lobby groups have overcome that issue. There have been numerous studies suggesting a correlation between long term cell phone use and brain cancer. Do a little research for yourself. Until a definitive answer is found, I use a hands free cell phone and so should you. Please educate yourself.</p>
<p>2) With all due respect to your apparent ability to microwave a cup of water, your pseudo scientific argument is senseless. See above&#8230;there is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that bombardment with microwave energy is not harmful to humans. No one suggested that bombardment with microwave energy would turn someone into a cup of java (well, no one but you). </p>
<p>What is clear is that there are numerous studies that have concluded that microwave energy could be harmful to human beings. However there have been a number of studies that suggest that microwave irradiation (think body scanners) may trigger cells to mutate and that microwave radiation may trigger DNA mutation (think Cancer). </p>
<p>The jury is still out but if you feel that you and your family are willing to take a completely uniformed risk, go right ahead.</p>
<p>3) Clearly you do not understand basic electricity. Energy at 60Hz is not the same thing as energy in the Giga Hz range which is the frequency range of cell phone technology and these new &#8220;milimeter wave&#8221; body scanners.  Those devices operate at frequencies generically referred to as microwave.</p>
<p>To suggest that full body microwave energy bombardment is safe because we&#8217;ve been exposed to NON microwave energy for many years without harm is senseless. It&#8217;s like saying driving a car is very safe because I use a sewing machine twice a week. Apples to Oranges.</p>
<p>Some people are meekly compliant and remarkably trusting, some think for themselves. Each and every one of us has the option of being one or the other. Clearly you&#8217;ve made your choice. I have too,  and I am with Robert. I will not knowingly allow my body to be irradiated with microwave energy from these new Body Scanners (at any level) until I am satisfied that it will do no harm to me.</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: James Whitley</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/01/07/subprime-nation/comment-page-4/#comment-57019</link>
		<dc:creator>James Whitley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#185  nonplused on 01.09.10 at 1:21 am 

1) Remarkably, it appears that you haven&#039;t been paying attention to the FACT that controversy still surrounds the use of cell phones and their effect on the human body. Not even the well paid cell phone manufacturer lobby groups have overcome that issue. There have been numerous studies suggesting a correlation between long term cell phone use and brain cancer. Do a little research for yourself. Until a definitive answer is found, I use a hands free cell phone and so should you. Please educate yourself.

2) With all due respect to your apparent ability to microwave a cup of water, your pseudo scientific argument is senseless. See above...there is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that bombardment with microwave energy is not harmful to humans. No one suggested that bombardment with microwave energy would turn someone into a cup of java (well, no one but you). 

What is clear is that there are numerous studies that have concluded that microwave energy could be harmful to human beings. However there have been a number of studies that suggest that microwave irradiation (think body scanners) may trigger cells to mutate and that microwave radiation may trigger DNA mutation (think Cancer). 

The jury is still out but if you feel that you and your family are willing to take a completely uniformed risk, go right ahead.

3) Clearly you do not understand basic electricity. Energy at 60Hz is not the same thing as energy in the Giga Hz range which is the frequency range of microwave, cell phone technology and these new &quot;milimeter wave&quot; body scanners. 

To suggest that microwave energy bombardment is safe because we&#039;ve been exposed to NON microwave energy for many years without harm is senseless. It&#039;s like saying driving a car is very safe because I use a sewing machine twice a week. Apples to Oranges.

Some people are meekly compliant, some think for themselves. Each and every one of us has the option of being one or the other. Clearly you&#039;ve made your choice. I have too,  and I am with Robert. I will not knowingly allow my body to be irradiated with microwave energy from these new Body Scanners (at any level) until I am satisfied that it will do no harm to me.

Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#185  nonplused on 01.09.10 at 1:21 am </p>
<p>1) Remarkably, it appears that you haven&#8217;t been paying attention to the FACT that controversy still surrounds the use of cell phones and their effect on the human body. Not even the well paid cell phone manufacturer lobby groups have overcome that issue. There have been numerous studies suggesting a correlation between long term cell phone use and brain cancer. Do a little research for yourself. Until a definitive answer is found, I use a hands free cell phone and so should you. Please educate yourself.</p>
<p>2) With all due respect to your apparent ability to microwave a cup of water, your pseudo scientific argument is senseless. See above&#8230;there is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that bombardment with microwave energy is not harmful to humans. No one suggested that bombardment with microwave energy would turn someone into a cup of java (well, no one but you). </p>
<p>What is clear is that there are numerous studies that have concluded that microwave energy could be harmful to human beings. However there have been a number of studies that suggest that microwave irradiation (think body scanners) may trigger cells to mutate and that microwave radiation may trigger DNA mutation (think Cancer). </p>
<p>The jury is still out but if you feel that you and your family are willing to take a completely uniformed risk, go right ahead.</p>
<p>3) Clearly you do not understand basic electricity. Energy at 60Hz is not the same thing as energy in the Giga Hz range which is the frequency range of microwave, cell phone technology and these new &#8220;milimeter wave&#8221; body scanners. </p>
<p>To suggest that microwave energy bombardment is safe because we&#8217;ve been exposed to NON microwave energy for many years without harm is senseless. It&#8217;s like saying driving a car is very safe because I use a sewing machine twice a week. Apples to Oranges.</p>
<p>Some people are meekly compliant, some think for themselves. Each and every one of us has the option of being one or the other. Clearly you&#8217;ve made your choice. I have too,  and I am with Robert. I will not knowingly allow my body to be irradiated with microwave energy from these new Body Scanners (at any level) until I am satisfied that it will do no harm to me.</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2010/01/07/subprime-nation/comment-page-4/#comment-56944</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#185 Nonplused

I don&#039;t use a microwave oven, ever. 
I avoid wherever possible the consumption of microwaved foods.
My cell phone is hands free. I rarely (if ever) put it to my head.

Quite frankly it seems to me that a lot of people enjoy spouting off &quot;facts&quot; that have no basis in science or medicine. 

In spite of a massive amount of money spent lobbying, the jury is still out on cell phone usage and it&#039;s effects on people. Just because you haven&#039;t been hurt by it yet, or to your knowledge doesn&#039;t make it safe.

Given that we just don&#039;t know how it affects us, it&#039;s ridiculous to suggest that a compliant population should willingly step into a large booth and offer to be irradiated with microwave energy for 30 seconds just to be permitted to board an airplane.

Clearly, YOU have no idea what the long term effects of microwave energy are.....no one does. 

You can choose to submit to microwave irradiation if you so desire. It&#039;s your health that might be impacted, not mine. 

Not me, I&#039;m with Robert. There are far too many sheeple out there ready to submit to the whims of a government that doesn&#039;t give a whit about your best interests, and far too many people who chose ignorance over fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#185 Nonplused</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use a microwave oven, ever.<br />
I avoid wherever possible the consumption of microwaved foods.<br />
My cell phone is hands free. I rarely (if ever) put it to my head.</p>
<p>Quite frankly it seems to me that a lot of people enjoy spouting off &#8220;facts&#8221; that have no basis in science or medicine. </p>
<p>In spite of a massive amount of money spent lobbying, the jury is still out on cell phone usage and it&#8217;s effects on people. Just because you haven&#8217;t been hurt by it yet, or to your knowledge doesn&#8217;t make it safe.</p>
<p>Given that we just don&#8217;t know how it affects us, it&#8217;s ridiculous to suggest that a compliant population should willingly step into a large booth and offer to be irradiated with microwave energy for 30 seconds just to be permitted to board an airplane.</p>
<p>Clearly, YOU have no idea what the long term effects of microwave energy are&#8230;..no one does. </p>
<p>You can choose to submit to microwave irradiation if you so desire. It&#8217;s your health that might be impacted, not mine. </p>
<p>Not me, I&#8217;m with Robert. There are far too many sheeple out there ready to submit to the whims of a government that doesn&#8217;t give a whit about your best interests, and far too many people who chose ignorance over fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Morpheus-TakeTheRedPill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morpheus-TakeTheRedPill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34, its called Socialize losses and privatize profits. The Whole financial system is a ponzi scheme. The real government is the global banking system, they call the shots and the public gets reamed. Same this as Fannie and Freddie getting bailed out with taxpayer dollars down south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34, its called Socialize losses and privatize profits. The Whole financial system is a ponzi scheme. The real government is the global banking system, they call the shots and the public gets reamed. Same this as Fannie and Freddie getting bailed out with taxpayer dollars down south.</p>
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		<title>By: knucklewalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>knucklewalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#173....oil &quot;might&quot; be a good investment but in the medium term PMs dwarf it.....the currency effects of Peak Oil will make capital flood into gold....just the way the system works.

#167....The chances of the RRSP system surviving 20 years from now is IMHO exactly ZERO.  That is not to say you cannot avail yourself of it right now...but be damn sure at the first wiff of the shit we are hearing from our southern cousin&#039;s big brother that you pull the $ and RUN.

If people cannot grasp the reality of an unending great depression coming at them based on the peaking of oil supplies then they are frankly deer in the headlights.....it is frightening but it is also one of the most obvious and easily understandable situations in all of world history.....and we have the benefit of the info tech to understand it and see it coming........

It is a forever event</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#173&#8230;.oil &#8220;might&#8221; be a good investment but in the medium term PMs dwarf it&#8230;..the currency effects of Peak Oil will make capital flood into gold&#8230;.just the way the system works.</p>
<p>#167&#8230;.The chances of the RRSP system surviving 20 years from now is IMHO exactly ZERO.  That is not to say you cannot avail yourself of it right now&#8230;but be damn sure at the first wiff of the shit we are hearing from our southern cousin&#8217;s big brother that you pull the $ and RUN.</p>
<p>If people cannot grasp the reality of an unending great depression coming at them based on the peaking of oil supplies then they are frankly deer in the headlights&#8230;..it is frightening but it is also one of the most obvious and easily understandable situations in all of world history&#8230;..and we have the benefit of the info tech to understand it and see it coming&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>It is a forever event</p>
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		<title>By: solipsist</title>
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		<dc:creator>solipsist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; #14  WetCoast on 01.07.10 at 11:35 pm

    ….and we kill seal pups annually and belch from Fort Mac in the name of commerce….but somehow wrap ourselves in a quasi-European self righteousness. It’s known as the “Canadian Syndrome”.&quot;

Oh, pshaw! WTF do seal pups have to do with Fort Mac?

Go back to the caf, man. Seal pups are not commerce, they are subsistence. The Tar Sands &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; commerce, but is what keeps our dollar high, and enables you to buy crap from China in Bellis Fair, or Buffalo, and care about Jay Leno&#039;s time slot. Further, they are way beyond the rants of the likes of you, or me. Remember the Exxon Valdez? I have not bought anything from ESSO since, but so what? I burn oil, and so do you.

Save the effing krill! Those danged hump-backs keep eating them all up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; #14  WetCoast on 01.07.10 at 11:35 pm</p>
<p>    ….and we kill seal pups annually and belch from Fort Mac in the name of commerce….but somehow wrap ourselves in a quasi-European self righteousness. It’s known as the “Canadian Syndrome”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, pshaw! WTF do seal pups have to do with Fort Mac?</p>
<p>Go back to the caf, man. Seal pups are not commerce, they are subsistence. The Tar Sands <i>are</i> commerce, but is what keeps our dollar high, and enables you to buy crap from China in Bellis Fair, or Buffalo, and care about Jay Leno&#8217;s time slot. Further, they are way beyond the rants of the likes of you, or me. Remember the Exxon Valdez? I have not bought anything from ESSO since, but so what? I burn oil, and so do you.</p>
<p>Save the effing krill! Those danged hump-backs keep eating them all up!</p>
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		<title>By: nonplused</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#162 Robert

Don’t be holding that cell phone too close to the ear then!

Not that I am in favor of body scanners.  Heck I hate flying at the best of times.  Feels like being in a hog trailer on the way to the slaughter house.  But who knows, maybe some cute little agent will get a look at what I am smuggling on board and I’ll get a date!  OK, probably not.

But back to the scientific argument around microwaves, they penetrate the body not very deep and simply excite the water molecules, causing heat.  You need to blast 700 watts of it at a coffee cup for a minute and a half to heat it up (personal experiment, verified repeatedly).  The body has way more water and the bombardment is way less, so I don’t think the body scanners are going turn you into a cup of java any faster than a cell phone, which incidentally is transmitting several miles in every direction at once, at pretty short wave lengths.

It’s all electromagnetic radiation at different frequencies.  60 Hz completely surrounding us at high intensities hasn’t slowed the lengthening of average life spans.  In fact, where they have no electricity, life spans are much shorter.  Not that the radiation makes us live longer, but it goes with other things, like my dishwasher, which I love more than ever now that it is fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#162 Robert</p>
<p>Don’t be holding that cell phone too close to the ear then!</p>
<p>Not that I am in favor of body scanners.  Heck I hate flying at the best of times.  Feels like being in a hog trailer on the way to the slaughter house.  But who knows, maybe some cute little agent will get a look at what I am smuggling on board and I’ll get a date!  OK, probably not.</p>
<p>But back to the scientific argument around microwaves, they penetrate the body not very deep and simply excite the water molecules, causing heat.  You need to blast 700 watts of it at a coffee cup for a minute and a half to heat it up (personal experiment, verified repeatedly).  The body has way more water and the bombardment is way less, so I don’t think the body scanners are going turn you into a cup of java any faster than a cell phone, which incidentally is transmitting several miles in every direction at once, at pretty short wave lengths.</p>
<p>It’s all electromagnetic radiation at different frequencies.  60 Hz completely surrounding us at high intensities hasn’t slowed the lengthening of average life spans.  In fact, where they have no electricity, life spans are much shorter.  Not that the radiation makes us live longer, but it goes with other things, like my dishwasher, which I love more than ever now that it is fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Into the Sunset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Into the Sunset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#173 Bulls or Bears

Never said Oil would not go to $200.

If you have read my previous blogs I have always predicted the following:
- Nat. Gas will go higher
- Oil wil go higher
- Gold will go higher
- Cdn. $ will go higher ( only because the U.S. $ is going to sink)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#173 Bulls or Bears</p>
<p>Never said Oil would not go to $200.</p>
<p>If you have read my previous blogs I have always predicted the following:<br />
- Nat. Gas will go higher<br />
- Oil wil go higher<br />
- Gold will go higher<br />
- Cdn. $ will go higher ( only because the U.S. $ is going to sink)</p>
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