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		<title>By: Wondering</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/12/07/carneynomics/comment-page-3/#comment-53276</link>
		<dc:creator>Wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we get the speculators out of the market so the prices can reflect the the amount the average Canadian can pay so they can buy a decent home to live in with their family!

If only the crash could happen sooner than later and leave these smucks with lots of capital loss.

Question is &quot;When is this bubble going to burst?&quot; Should I buy now or wait for the burst???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we get the speculators out of the market so the prices can reflect the the amount the average Canadian can pay so they can buy a decent home to live in with their family!</p>
<p>If only the crash could happen sooner than later and leave these smucks with lots of capital loss.</p>
<p>Question is &#8220;When is this bubble going to burst?&#8221; Should I buy now or wait for the burst???</p>
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		<title>By: Ultraman</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/12/07/carneynomics/comment-page-3/#comment-53250</link>
		<dc:creator>Ultraman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#122 30 BELOW,
It took about 4 weeks to sell (completed Nov. 30) and we had to reduce the price from an unrealistic (real estate agent idea to test the market) $599k to $575k and sold for $560k. We bought early 2003 for $280k. 

Indeed unreal. Ultimately what convinced me to sell is the fact that this was more money than what I made after tax in 14 years living in Vancouver. And that is the unreal part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#122 30 BELOW,<br />
It took about 4 weeks to sell (completed Nov. 30) and we had to reduce the price from an unrealistic (real estate agent idea to test the market) $599k to $575k and sold for $560k. We bought early 2003 for $280k. </p>
<p>Indeed unreal. Ultimately what convinced me to sell is the fact that this was more money than what I made after tax in 14 years living in Vancouver. And that is the unreal part.</p>
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		<title>By: eddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayman wrote:
&quot;#17 Eddy
How can you blame David Miller for the Toronto bubble? Perhaps because heâ€™s leaving his post next year? No other reason.&quot;


The answer is: some councilors refused to support the tax unless miller gave a rebate to first time buyers, this allowed them to look good and grandstand to their constituents. miller gave the rebates, but when combined with dolt on e-guilty&#039;s rebates to first time buyers- the unintended consequence is a massive bubble in the under 450k price range.  there is no bubble in the higher price ranges.

A normal solution to revenue shortfall would be to raise property tax. miller, being a chicken shit, didn&#039;t have the guts to do it. he figured: &quot;I&#039;ll just piss off the 5% of Torontonians  who buy a house instead of all homeowners.&quot;  but all homeowners were receiving city services. fairness is not in the vocabulary of toronto city councilors.  

example: family with 2 kids paying property tax on a TO bungalow for the last 10 years may have already contributed about 30k in property tax to city hall. they outgrow the bungalow and need to spend 600k for a bigger house. they would pay $16,200 to miller and e-guilty in new land transfer taxes. a first time buyer, or new Canadian off the boat can spend up to 450k and after rebates maybe pay around 2k in taxes . it&#039;s the same activity- buying a house! one group subsidizes the other.
miller&#039;s tax killed trade and city hall is still short of cash

eddy says- abolish first time buyer incentives, and dissolve cmhc- if a loan needs to be insured before a bank will touch it, the buyer isn&#039;t qualified. these insurance schemes and rebates inflate the market, increase bubbles and force people with cash to pay more. in other words- cash is diminished in value each day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayman wrote:<br />
&#8220;#17 Eddy<br />
How can you blame David Miller for the Toronto bubble? Perhaps because heâ€™s leaving his post next year? No other reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer is: some councilors refused to support the tax unless miller gave a rebate to first time buyers, this allowed them to look good and grandstand to their constituents. miller gave the rebates, but when combined with dolt on e-guilty&#8217;s rebates to first time buyers- the unintended consequence is a massive bubble in the under 450k price range.  there is no bubble in the higher price ranges.</p>
<p>A normal solution to revenue shortfall would be to raise property tax. miller, being a chicken shit, didn&#8217;t have the guts to do it. he figured: &#8220;I&#8217;ll just piss off the 5% of Torontonians  who buy a house instead of all homeowners.&#8221;  but all homeowners were receiving city services. fairness is not in the vocabulary of toronto city councilors.  </p>
<p>example: family with 2 kids paying property tax on a TO bungalow for the last 10 years may have already contributed about 30k in property tax to city hall. they outgrow the bungalow and need to spend 600k for a bigger house. they would pay $16,200 to miller and e-guilty in new land transfer taxes. a first time buyer, or new Canadian off the boat can spend up to 450k and after rebates maybe pay around 2k in taxes . it&#8217;s the same activity- buying a house! one group subsidizes the other.<br />
miller&#8217;s tax killed trade and city hall is still short of cash</p>
<p>eddy says- abolish first time buyer incentives, and dissolve cmhc- if a loan needs to be insured before a bank will touch it, the buyer isn&#8217;t qualified. these insurance schemes and rebates inflate the market, increase bubbles and force people with cash to pay more. in other words- cash is diminished in value each day.</p>
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		<title>By: 30 BELOW</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/12/07/carneynomics/comment-page-3/#comment-53185</link>
		<dc:creator>30 BELOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 Ultraman

&quot;just sold my shoebox condo in Vancouver and make away like a bandit. Iâ€™m deeply conviced that to make that much profit, net $260k&quot;

Unreal, you couldn&#039;t make that kind of coin doing anything else. Just curious, how long did it take?</description>
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<p>&#8220;just sold my shoebox condo in Vancouver and make away like a bandit. Iâ€™m deeply conviced that to make that much profit, net $260k&#8221;</p>
<p>Unreal, you couldn&#8217;t make that kind of coin doing anything else. Just curious, how long did it take?</p>
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