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		<title>By: MarkArgentino</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#99 Emma on 11.09.09 at 6:48 pm

I should have added that in the graph at http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm there is a period from about September 2008 until February of 2009 that many real estate agents in the GTA were getting out of the business because our marketplace stalled.  It wasn&#039;t a crash, just a huge slowdown, many were worried that it may have been the beginning of the end in the GTA for growth in prices.

You will note on the above graph that prices did recover as we progressed through spring of this year, then dropped as they usually do in the summer and have now surpassed the all time high prices again this September and October.  This is a little disconcerting.

Garth will like this comment:  I have noticed that the Toronto Real Estate Board in their monthly press releases no longer trumpets &quot;All Time Highs&quot; or &quot;Markets have no end in sight&quot; etc. but only matter of fact state that prices and/or volumes are up.  This too is disturbing to me.  We just catapulted through the $420,000 average price point with very little fanfare or parades as we would have seen or heard in the past.  This is an immense average price for the Toronto area, especially in light of the fact that the areas taken into consideration in calculating this figure are as far west as Burlington, as far east as Newcastle and Innisfil and Essa to the north.  Prices in these outlying areas do not average $423,000 so all this means is that average prices within the 416 area are stratospheric.  This worries me.

Again, I still feel that anyone not putting 20 to 25% downpayment on their real estate purchase are putting themselves at too much risk, no matter what price point they are buying at and over extending their budget.  Although rates are at all time lows, the Bank of Canada has already stated rates will increase next year and you can bet that the lending companies are already planning to boost their rates (and profits) beyond what the Bank of Canada does.

If we can get through the Winter Olympics and then the dreaded HST without a significant downturn in the real estate market, then it will be smooth sailing until 2018 and once again myself and my clients will prove Garth wrong once again in his predictions of a bursting bubble.

Enjoy the ride.

All the best!
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#99 Emma on 11.09.09 at 6:48 pm</p>
<p>I should have added that in the graph at <a href="http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm</a> there is a period from about September 2008 until February of 2009 that many real estate agents in the GTA were getting out of the business because our marketplace stalled.  It wasn&#8217;t a crash, just a huge slowdown, many were worried that it may have been the beginning of the end in the GTA for growth in prices.</p>
<p>You will note on the above graph that prices did recover as we progressed through spring of this year, then dropped as they usually do in the summer and have now surpassed the all time high prices again this September and October.  This is a little disconcerting.</p>
<p>Garth will like this comment:  I have noticed that the Toronto Real Estate Board in their monthly press releases no longer trumpets &#8220;All Time Highs&#8221; or &#8220;Markets have no end in sight&#8221; etc. but only matter of fact state that prices and/or volumes are up.  This too is disturbing to me.  We just catapulted through the $420,000 average price point with very little fanfare or parades as we would have seen or heard in the past.  This is an immense average price for the Toronto area, especially in light of the fact that the areas taken into consideration in calculating this figure are as far west as Burlington, as far east as Newcastle and Innisfil and Essa to the north.  Prices in these outlying areas do not average $423,000 so all this means is that average prices within the 416 area are stratospheric.  This worries me.</p>
<p>Again, I still feel that anyone not putting 20 to 25% downpayment on their real estate purchase are putting themselves at too much risk, no matter what price point they are buying at and over extending their budget.  Although rates are at all time lows, the Bank of Canada has already stated rates will increase next year and you can bet that the lending companies are already planning to boost their rates (and profits) beyond what the Bank of Canada does.</p>
<p>If we can get through the Winter Olympics and then the dreaded HST without a significant downturn in the real estate market, then it will be smooth sailing until 2018 and once again myself and my clients will prove Garth wrong once again in his predictions of a bursting bubble.</p>
<p>Enjoy the ride.</p>
<p>All the best!<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: MarkArgentino</title>
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		<description>#99 Emma on 11.09.09 at 6:48 pm

Hi Emma,

You asked &quot;Donâ€™t know if you still have the chart that shows to buy in May and November but that was also very helpful to me when I purchased.&quot;

This is the link to the chart you were asking about that shows the seasonal trends of the Toronto Real Estate Market prices:

http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm

Really, you should sell at the peaks and buy in the valleys.

I&#039;ve always said that the best time of the year to buy real estate is December 10th of any year.  Maybe I&#039;ll blog about that sometime.

All the best,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#99 Emma on 11.09.09 at 6:48 pm</p>
<p>Hi Emma,</p>
<p>You asked &#8220;Donâ€™t know if you still have the chart that shows to buy in May and November but that was also very helpful to me when I purchased.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the link to the chart you were asking about that shows the seasonal trends of the Toronto Real Estate Market prices:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mississauga4sale.com/TREBavg1995date.htm</a></p>
<p>Really, you should sell at the peaks and buy in the valleys.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always said that the best time of the year to buy real estate is December 10th of any year.  Maybe I&#8217;ll blog about that sometime.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Future Expatriate</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#113, that video shows how suitably distrusting people are of some stranger selling something that is probably counterfeit on the street. NOT the &quot;value&quot; of gold, or even the public&#039;s ignorance of the value of gold.

If he&#039;d tried to sell a piece of &quot;gold&quot; jewelry or a &quot;diamond&quot; necklace, the reaction would have been more clearly understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#113, that video shows how suitably distrusting people are of some stranger selling something that is probably counterfeit on the street. NOT the &#8220;value&#8221; of gold, or even the public&#8217;s ignorance of the value of gold.</p>
<p>If he&#8217;d tried to sell a piece of &#8220;gold&#8221; jewelry or a &#8220;diamond&#8221; necklace, the reaction would have been more clearly understood.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bakody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat:

Back to RE .... not sure if our prices are now as high as they were several years ago.  In any rate there has been some issues that inflated house prices.  Offshore Industry when gas prices were high, down homers returning after long careers in Ontario and beyond, ocean front property bought by Europeans and of course supply and demand.  I would like to think there was not much the good ode house flipping going on but that would be untrue.  

Here is a website that tells the story of a Calgary girl who I have met and is very wonderful talented gal who found a dream here in NS.

http://www.turbine.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat:</p>
<p>Back to RE &#8230;. not sure if our prices are now as high as they were several years ago.  In any rate there has been some issues that inflated house prices.  Offshore Industry when gas prices were high, down homers returning after long careers in Ontario and beyond, ocean front property bought by Europeans and of course supply and demand.  I would like to think there was not much the good ode house flipping going on but that would be untrue.  </p>
<p>Here is a website that tells the story of a Calgary girl who I have met and is very wonderful talented gal who found a dream here in NS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turbine.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.turbine.ca/</a></p>
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