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		<title>By: TheBigLebowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48370</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigLebowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#57, don&#039;t speak for most. I agree with his premise. Its people like you who refuse to wake up that is the problem &gt; Do at least 5 minutes of research before you start attacking someone. You are a sheep and are exactly what the New world Order want us to be . Google New World Order, that will be a good place for you to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57, don&#8217;t speak for most. I agree with his premise. Its people like you who refuse to wake up that is the problem &gt; Do at least 5 minutes of research before you start attacking someone. You are a sheep and are exactly what the New world Order want us to be . Google New World Order, that will be a good place for you to start.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigLebowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48232</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigLebowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>128
thats not even taking into consideration the tens of thousands of adverse reactions to the vaccines and lower level neurological disorders popping up later in life. Vaccines are the biggest and most evil scam in the history of man. Until a person understands the big pharma creates these crisis so they can introduce their new drugs which create future problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>128<br />
thats not even taking into consideration the tens of thousands of adverse reactions to the vaccines and lower level neurological disorders popping up later in life. Vaccines are the biggest and most evil scam in the history of man. Until a person understands the big pharma creates these crisis so they can introduce their new drugs which create future problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Bottoms_Up</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48148</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#118 eddy on 10.28.09 at 9:48 pm
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Your video says 4,000 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome after 40,000,000 Americans were vaccinated in the 1970&#039;s.

That&#039;s an incidence of 1 in 100,000, and therefore considered a &#039;rare&#039; event.

What would the alternative be of not vaccinating 40,000,000 people against the flu? Sure, 4,000 people may not develop GB syndrome, but how many people would die? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?</description>
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Your video says 4,000 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome after 40,000,000 Americans were vaccinated in the 1970&#8217;s.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an incidence of 1 in 100,000, and therefore considered a &#8216;rare&#8217; event.</p>
<p>What would the alternative be of not vaccinating 40,000,000 people against the flu? Sure, 4,000 people may not develop GB syndrome, but how many people would die? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48147</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#99 Daystar and #113 D from London, ON - Thank you.  This is for you and anyone else that has commented on this posting by Garth.

Have you read Osler’s Web?  I highly recommend that book for the history (and health authority politics) behind CFS.

What I contracted initially was definitely viral.  My husband, who was not known to me at the time and lived on the West coast, also contracted the same virus.

We both experienced symptoms over the years, unaware that what we each chalked up to working too hard and repeated “flu” was actually CFS.  The diagnosis finally came several years ago, long beyond the better prognosis of an early intervention according to the Specialist who diagnosed us.

The story of a virus and how it changed our lives doesn’t end there. 

What I am about to write will give you and anyone else reading this an understanding of why I now get vaccinated for seasonal flu, and most recently H1N1 viruses.

They say lightening doesn’t strike twice.  Fast forward to early 2000’s and my husband and I contracted another flu virus.  That’s all we thought it was.  Just a flu.

I won’t bore you with the blow by blow account of how it progressed from flu symptoms to other very painful and debilitating symptoms.  But, I can tell you it was bad,   

Onto the medical merry-go-round and we received the Fibromyalgia diagnosis first, then CFS diagnosis.

My symptoms progressed and the Drs. began to suspect MS.  More tests.  Growing list of symptoms:  night sweats across a section of my back so severe that I could literally wring the moisture out of the sheets, paralysis, numbness, throat muscles don’t respond and can’t swallow saliva, and on.  My husband followed with similar symptoms, but did not experience the paralysis in his legs or feet.

During the lumbar puncture, the Neurologist didn’t find MS.  He did find I have positive monoclonal proteins (bands).  There are several types of cancer that can develop depending on the Ig classification, Lymphoma for example.  The type of monoclonal band I have is for Multiple Myeloma.

3% of the population over 80 years of age develop this condition.  I’m just shy of 30 years under that demographic.  So, it’s a bit early.

The reason I mention this, is that it is possible my situation evolved as a result of CFS (Osler’s Web explains the incidents of Lymphoma that evolved during the epidemic).

And, it is also possible that I have monoclonal bands because of a virus, possibly the last one I contracted that led to the Fibromyalgia diagnosis.

As it stands today, I get my blood run when there is bone pain and/or another specialist orders it and/or once a year.  When my levels hit 10, then a bone marrow punch, staging, typing and whatever treatment is available to reduce pain and maybe give me a bit more time.

I was up to 6 last winter, but back to 4 again.  The levels can fluctuate, but they won’t ever go away.  The abnormal self cloning cancer cells are there.

And most recently, new immune deficiency on IGg subclass and my lymph glands on both side of the neck and thyroid show nodules which are being monitored.  Any growth and biopsy.  Fun, huh?

But the end of my nose doesn’t hurt.  That’s a coping mechanism I use to laugh and keep going when the sword of Damocles becomes a bit oppressive.

My husband has started the night sweats and he has tremors and is waiting for another MRI.  So far we know it’s not Parkinson&#039;s.

So, I have wondered many times if we had gotten flu shots, maybe we  might not have contracted those two viruses.  Maybe it wouldn’t have made any difference.

I just hope by disclosing a bit of what myself and my husband experienced, that maybe people will reconsider how serious a virus can be, and of what it can trigger by it’s impact on your immune system.

If a vaccine is available, take it.  A vaccine isn’t bullet proofing and not 100% effective, but it’s the best we’ve got right now.  Hand washing alone won’t cut it.  At work, you wash your hands and then touch something.  Then what, wash again? hand sanitizer? gloves? (not sterile once you’ve touched something, same as masks.

Bacteria and viruses abound and some of them extract a heavy price.  

Personally, if my health were different, and I had a healthy immune system, even one pumped up with Vitamin D3,  I wouldn’t put it up against Ebola Marbug or HIV, and they are both viruses.

Hope this makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#99 Daystar and #113 D from London, ON &#8211; Thank you.  This is for you and anyone else that has commented on this posting by Garth.</p>
<p>Have you read Osler’s Web?  I highly recommend that book for the history (and health authority politics) behind CFS.</p>
<p>What I contracted initially was definitely viral.  My husband, who was not known to me at the time and lived on the West coast, also contracted the same virus.</p>
<p>We both experienced symptoms over the years, unaware that what we each chalked up to working too hard and repeated “flu” was actually CFS.  The diagnosis finally came several years ago, long beyond the better prognosis of an early intervention according to the Specialist who diagnosed us.</p>
<p>The story of a virus and how it changed our lives doesn’t end there. </p>
<p>What I am about to write will give you and anyone else reading this an understanding of why I now get vaccinated for seasonal flu, and most recently H1N1 viruses.</p>
<p>They say lightening doesn’t strike twice.  Fast forward to early 2000’s and my husband and I contracted another flu virus.  That’s all we thought it was.  Just a flu.</p>
<p>I won’t bore you with the blow by blow account of how it progressed from flu symptoms to other very painful and debilitating symptoms.  But, I can tell you it was bad,   </p>
<p>Onto the medical merry-go-round and we received the Fibromyalgia diagnosis first, then CFS diagnosis.</p>
<p>My symptoms progressed and the Drs. began to suspect MS.  More tests.  Growing list of symptoms:  night sweats across a section of my back so severe that I could literally wring the moisture out of the sheets, paralysis, numbness, throat muscles don’t respond and can’t swallow saliva, and on.  My husband followed with similar symptoms, but did not experience the paralysis in his legs or feet.</p>
<p>During the lumbar puncture, the Neurologist didn’t find MS.  He did find I have positive monoclonal proteins (bands).  There are several types of cancer that can develop depending on the Ig classification, Lymphoma for example.  The type of monoclonal band I have is for Multiple Myeloma.</p>
<p>3% of the population over 80 years of age develop this condition.  I’m just shy of 30 years under that demographic.  So, it’s a bit early.</p>
<p>The reason I mention this, is that it is possible my situation evolved as a result of CFS (Osler’s Web explains the incidents of Lymphoma that evolved during the epidemic).</p>
<p>And, it is also possible that I have monoclonal bands because of a virus, possibly the last one I contracted that led to the Fibromyalgia diagnosis.</p>
<p>As it stands today, I get my blood run when there is bone pain and/or another specialist orders it and/or once a year.  When my levels hit 10, then a bone marrow punch, staging, typing and whatever treatment is available to reduce pain and maybe give me a bit more time.</p>
<p>I was up to 6 last winter, but back to 4 again.  The levels can fluctuate, but they won’t ever go away.  The abnormal self cloning cancer cells are there.</p>
<p>And most recently, new immune deficiency on IGg subclass and my lymph glands on both side of the neck and thyroid show nodules which are being monitored.  Any growth and biopsy.  Fun, huh?</p>
<p>But the end of my nose doesn’t hurt.  That’s a coping mechanism I use to laugh and keep going when the sword of Damocles becomes a bit oppressive.</p>
<p>My husband has started the night sweats and he has tremors and is waiting for another MRI.  So far we know it’s not Parkinson&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So, I have wondered many times if we had gotten flu shots, maybe we  might not have contracted those two viruses.  Maybe it wouldn’t have made any difference.</p>
<p>I just hope by disclosing a bit of what myself and my husband experienced, that maybe people will reconsider how serious a virus can be, and of what it can trigger by it’s impact on your immune system.</p>
<p>If a vaccine is available, take it.  A vaccine isn’t bullet proofing and not 100% effective, but it’s the best we’ve got right now.  Hand washing alone won’t cut it.  At work, you wash your hands and then touch something.  Then what, wash again? hand sanitizer? gloves? (not sterile once you’ve touched something, same as masks.</p>
<p>Bacteria and viruses abound and some of them extract a heavy price.  </p>
<p>Personally, if my health were different, and I had a healthy immune system, even one pumped up with Vitamin D3,  I wouldn’t put it up against Ebola Marbug or HIV, and they are both viruses.</p>
<p>Hope this makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Kash is King</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kash is King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, my last post on this topic.

People, please do not base your final decision on whether or not to get the vaccination based on what I posted here. Please consult with your family doctor to arrive at your best decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, my last post on this topic.</p>
<p>People, please do not base your final decision on whether or not to get the vaccination based on what I posted here. Please consult with your family doctor to arrive at your best decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Soylent Green is People</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48107</link>
		<dc:creator>Soylent Green is People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Canadian Press says they got their information from a news release from Toronto Public Health;  here&#039;s the link / story.

http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsrel.nsf/9a3dd5e2596d27af85256de400452b9b/f1e5137f8e7461cd8525765c00650254?OpenDocument

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I am surprised to find Toronto City Hall being in total control of a story published across North America verbatim with no questions asked causing panic re lining up for mercury flu shots.

Is this normal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Canadian Press says they got their information from a news release from Toronto Public Health;  here&#8217;s the link / story.</p>
<p><a href="http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsrel.nsf/9a3dd5e2596d27af85256de400452b9b/f1e5137f8e7461cd8525765c00650254?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsrel.nsf/9a3dd5e2596d27af85256de400452b9b/f1e5137f8e7461cd8525765c00650254?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I am surprised to find Toronto City Hall being in total control of a story published across North America verbatim with no questions asked causing panic re lining up for mercury flu shots.</p>
<p>Is this normal?</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigLebowsky</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48096</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigLebowsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey #107 the same group of people are advocating vaccines as are secretly doing this to us . It is sad, but unfortunatly true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey #107 the same group of people are advocating vaccines as are secretly doing this to us . It is sad, but unfortunatly true.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdtLTyNOB0A</a></p>
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		<title>By: Soylent Green is People</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48068</link>
		<dc:creator>Soylent Green is People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I complained to many media outlets about reporting a healthy 13 year old died last Monday in Toronto of H1N1 with no proof (the test would take at least five days after being sent to Winnipeg).  Here&#039;s one reply which is a fascinating look into MSM investigative techniques e.g. they don&#039;t have any:

RE: H1N1 did not kill 13-year-old Toronto boy‏
From:  Steve.Winogron@chumradio.com  
Sent: October 29, 2009 4:13:15 AM 
To:  xxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com 

Dear Xxxxxx:
 
It&#039;s possible you know more about these cases than the coroners who performed post mortem tests, but for the moment, respectfully, we have to go with the most reliable information we can obtain -- and that would be from the health authorities who are directly involved with the cases.
 
From the Canadian Press:
 
&quot;Public health officials confirmed that the sudden death of 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio was a direct result  of swine flu. The Toronto teen, an avid hockey player with no known health conditions, was taken to a walk-in clinic Sunday and advised to take over-the-counter medications. He appeared to be recovering on Monday, but collapsed later in the day and died within 10 minutes.  The family of a teenaged Toronto hockey player, who recently earned his assistant captain&#039;s letter, says he died Monday from the H1N1 virus.  Paul Frustaglio says the coroner&#039;s office Monday night confirmed his son died of the virus.&quot;

If and when the final confirmations indicate the deaths were from something other than H1N1, we will of course report that very prominently.  


Respectfully,

Steve Winogron
News Director
CHUM Radio

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So now what I would like to know is, who controls / monies up The Canadian Press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I complained to many media outlets about reporting a healthy 13 year old died last Monday in Toronto of H1N1 with no proof (the test would take at least five days after being sent to Winnipeg).  Here&#8217;s one reply which is a fascinating look into MSM investigative techniques e.g. they don&#8217;t have any:</p>
<p>RE: H1N1 did not kill 13-year-old Toronto boy‏<br />
From:  <a href="mailto:Steve.Winogron@chumradio.com">Steve.Winogron@chumradio.com</a><br />
Sent: October 29, 2009 4:13:15 AM<br />
To:  <a href="mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com">xxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com</a> </p>
<p>Dear Xxxxxx:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible you know more about these cases than the coroners who performed post mortem tests, but for the moment, respectfully, we have to go with the most reliable information we can obtain &#8212; and that would be from the health authorities who are directly involved with the cases.</p>
<p>From the Canadian Press:</p>
<p>&#8220;Public health officials confirmed that the sudden death of 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio was a direct result  of swine flu. The Toronto teen, an avid hockey player with no known health conditions, was taken to a walk-in clinic Sunday and advised to take over-the-counter medications. He appeared to be recovering on Monday, but collapsed later in the day and died within 10 minutes.  The family of a teenaged Toronto hockey player, who recently earned his assistant captain&#8217;s letter, says he died Monday from the H1N1 virus.  Paul Frustaglio says the coroner&#8217;s office Monday night confirmed his son died of the virus.&#8221;</p>
<p>If and when the final confirmations indicate the deaths were from something other than H1N1, we will of course report that very prominently.  </p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
<p>Steve Winogron<br />
News Director<br />
CHUM Radio</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>So now what I would like to know is, who controls / monies up The Canadian Press.</p>
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		<title>By: amos811</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48059</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like #38,  when will u post how to do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like #38,  when will u post how to do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Soylent Green is People</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/10/27/pandemic/comment-page-3/#comment-48041</link>
		<dc:creator>Soylent Green is People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you have a hepa filter mask, don&#039;t bother with the throwaway kind you wrap around your ears.  They are useless after twenty minutes of breathing your spit on them.  When I see public health officials wearing them it makes me laugh.  They know it&#039;s useless too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you have a hepa filter mask, don&#8217;t bother with the throwaway kind you wrap around your ears.  They are useless after twenty minutes of breathing your spit on them.  When I see public health officials wearing them it makes me laugh.  They know it&#8217;s useless too.</p>
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