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	<title>Comments on: Realtors (3)</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Dodd</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/06/24/realtors-3/comment-page-3/#comment-33809</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi there,
i agree we need to be cautious in regard to purchasing real estate.  I would guard against making speculations on interest rates at 8% or comparing today to the early 80&#039;s rates of 18.5%.
Monetary policy has changed since then and a lot more is at stake from lender and insurer standpoints on raising interest rates that high.  If it goes that high then even the wealthy would have no choice but to walk into their lenders office and drop the keys at the desk.  Lenders need to make sure money is accessible and it is not at these rates.  Will that prevent rates from going that high again? who knows but you can certainly argue that decisioning and forecasting will be looked at strongly so as to not completely freeze credit markets and make home ownership a foreign concept.

Keep in mind if that happens than no one is safe.  All the investments Garth told you to buy will be worthless and we can all line up at the soup kitchen together.  These things need to work with some symmetry and as we have just seen if credit collapses so does your investment portfolio.  Be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

Ideas are great so lets share them and raise public awareness.  Real estate is not necessarily the evil that people are portraying here.  Everything in moderation and with careful consideration and research and you will be in a safer position.
Listen to Garth&#039;s points(very valid) and other industry people before considering your options.  I respect Garth&#039;s opinion but he has been wrong in the past like so many others and will continue to be going forward.   Protect yourself and fill yourself with as much knowledge as possible so you are not putting all your decisions based on one advisor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there,<br />
i agree we need to be cautious in regard to purchasing real estate.  I would guard against making speculations on interest rates at 8% or comparing today to the early 80&#8242;s rates of 18.5%.<br />
Monetary policy has changed since then and a lot more is at stake from lender and insurer standpoints on raising interest rates that high.  If it goes that high then even the wealthy would have no choice but to walk into their lenders office and drop the keys at the desk.  Lenders need to make sure money is accessible and it is not at these rates.  Will that prevent rates from going that high again? who knows but you can certainly argue that decisioning and forecasting will be looked at strongly so as to not completely freeze credit markets and make home ownership a foreign concept.</p>
<p>Keep in mind if that happens than no one is safe.  All the investments Garth told you to buy will be worthless and we can all line up at the soup kitchen together.  These things need to work with some symmetry and as we have just seen if credit collapses so does your investment portfolio.  Be careful what you wish for you just might get it.</p>
<p>Ideas are great so lets share them and raise public awareness.  Real estate is not necessarily the evil that people are portraying here.  Everything in moderation and with careful consideration and research and you will be in a safer position.<br />
Listen to Garth&#8217;s points(very valid) and other industry people before considering your options.  I respect Garth&#8217;s opinion but he has been wrong in the past like so many others and will continue to be going forward.   Protect yourself and fill yourself with as much knowledge as possible so you are not putting all your decisions based on one advisor.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/06/24/realtors-3/comment-page-3/#comment-33634</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nolan,

No, I am not throwing buns (although the visualization is quite humorous - might just try it next time I need to liven up a dull dinner party).

The first part of my comment to Greg (which was serious) was regarding the use of jargon in the sense that it distances people from the greater meaning behind the term.

I believe that this particular phrase â€œpayment shockâ€ minimizes the true implication to the consumer.

To clarify, I donâ€™t dislike realtors.  They market real estate, and like any other sales person, there are those who want to cultivate a loyal, long term clientele.  Unfortunately, there are others who have a different set of ethics.  Some of the work I did in my life involved marketing.  This is why I raised the jargon issue.  Internally, it works for many industries, however itâ€™s not a good form of communication when dealing with the client.

The PS response was Gregâ€™s words, not mine.  I quoted him and reminded him that people were in fact giving him their views and opinions.  Possibly not what he wanted or expected to hear, but such is the frontier of e-communication.  We canâ€™t see or hear the other person, nor does the communication flow with the normal speech/pause for questions/clarifications.

The PPS comment stemmed from Garthâ€™s reference to buns being tossed at him during a luncheon speech he gave to a group of realtors.  I thought â€œoh no, not another inviteâ€.  All good fun there and no bashing.  Perhaps I watched too much Monty Python?

Thanks for the response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nolan,</p>
<p>No, I am not throwing buns (although the visualization is quite humorous &#8211; might just try it next time I need to liven up a dull dinner party).</p>
<p>The first part of my comment to Greg (which was serious) was regarding the use of jargon in the sense that it distances people from the greater meaning behind the term.</p>
<p>I believe that this particular phrase â€œpayment shockâ€ minimizes the true implication to the consumer.</p>
<p>To clarify, I donâ€™t dislike realtors.  They market real estate, and like any other sales person, there are those who want to cultivate a loyal, long term clientele.  Unfortunately, there are others who have a different set of ethics.  Some of the work I did in my life involved marketing.  This is why I raised the jargon issue.  Internally, it works for many industries, however itâ€™s not a good form of communication when dealing with the client.</p>
<p>The PS response was Gregâ€™s words, not mine.  I quoted him and reminded him that people were in fact giving him their views and opinions.  Possibly not what he wanted or expected to hear, but such is the frontier of e-communication.  We canâ€™t see or hear the other person, nor does the communication flow with the normal speech/pause for questions/clarifications.</p>
<p>The PPS comment stemmed from Garthâ€™s reference to buns being tossed at him during a luncheon speech he gave to a group of realtors.  I thought â€œoh no, not another inviteâ€.  All good fun there and no bashing.  Perhaps I watched too much Monty Python?</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan Matthias</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/06/24/realtors-3/comment-page-3/#comment-33630</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolan Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samantha,

Seems like you are throwing some buns of your own. Greg is not a realtor, however he is being attacked, as are realtors in general, as if they are the scum of the earth. There are good and bad people in every profession, it is unfare to lump them all into one category as many of Garth&#039;s readers, and Garth himself tends to do. 

Kind Regards,

Nolan Matthias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha,</p>
<p>Seems like you are throwing some buns of your own. Greg is not a realtor, however he is being attacked, as are realtors in general, as if they are the scum of the earth. There are good and bad people in every profession, it is unfare to lump them all into one category as many of Garth&#8217;s readers, and Garth himself tends to do. </p>
<p>Kind Regards,</p>
<p>Nolan Matthias</p>
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		<title>By: wjp</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#119...dd....
I don&#039;t think I suggested that anywhere!</description>
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I don&#8217;t think I suggested that anywhere!</p>
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