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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/19/the-devil-the-cockroach/comment-page-3/#comment-10159</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominant world economies start with a population that produces more than any other country. Rome, France, Britain, United States and now China grew through unparrallelled production abilities. The production gives the government the ability to tax. As time passes the country gets involved in many foreign affairs in order to secure production outside its borders. These affairs quickly become obligations as the superpower becomes entirely dependent upon them. 

Over decades this superiority gives citizens within the superpower the idea that they can get away with not producing. That somehow there country and citizens are innately priveleged to a higher purpose. They feel as though they can feed off other countries. 

Internal production shrinks and is replaced with speculative markets, which are merely just a back and forth movements of money that can no longer find a productive owner. It is important to note that speculation is completely pointless and has no productive qualities. The country becomes one big bubble.

At the same time its foreign obligations continue to grow. In order to meet the obligations the country takes on debt. The debt keeps rising until one day, it can no longer fund that debt with shrinking production. At that moment in time, the country without knowing it hands over the power to the next superpower.

Today and over the next twenty years we will watch America fall and China rise. It won&#039;t be pretty and it won&#039;t be fast. These transitions never are. Britain&#039;s wasn&#039;t fun, nor was Rome&#039;s. The fact that the US has a massive trade and government debt entering into this transitionary period promises harsh times ahead. Current trade and federal deficits are growing exponentially by the month and are ballooning into trillions of dollars, each. The US transition from superpower status will be long and punishing. 

In this time watch China rise in the exact same manner as the US or Britain or Rome once did. Production. 

China&#039;s currency will soon become a standard. It&#039;s importance in foreign affairs will be unmatched. One day far in the future, its people too will stop trying, stop producing, feeling special and within their own bubble, they will merely speculate. Their debt will grow. Then reality hits and the bubble pops. 

It&#039;s like watching history happen well into the future. I guess that is how Garth felt when writing the Greater Fool. Moral of the story? Don&#039;t lock in to real estate and debt in a time of great uncertainty. For a country that is entirely dependent on the US, we are most at risk as they fall off of their own pedestal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominant world economies start with a population that produces more than any other country. Rome, France, Britain, United States and now China grew through unparrallelled production abilities. The production gives the government the ability to tax. As time passes the country gets involved in many foreign affairs in order to secure production outside its borders. These affairs quickly become obligations as the superpower becomes entirely dependent upon them. </p>
<p>Over decades this superiority gives citizens within the superpower the idea that they can get away with not producing. That somehow there country and citizens are innately priveleged to a higher purpose. They feel as though they can feed off other countries. </p>
<p>Internal production shrinks and is replaced with speculative markets, which are merely just a back and forth movements of money that can no longer find a productive owner. It is important to note that speculation is completely pointless and has no productive qualities. The country becomes one big bubble.</p>
<p>At the same time its foreign obligations continue to grow. In order to meet the obligations the country takes on debt. The debt keeps rising until one day, it can no longer fund that debt with shrinking production. At that moment in time, the country without knowing it hands over the power to the next superpower.</p>
<p>Today and over the next twenty years we will watch America fall and China rise. It won&#8217;t be pretty and it won&#8217;t be fast. These transitions never are. Britain&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t fun, nor was Rome&#8217;s. The fact that the US has a massive trade and government debt entering into this transitionary period promises harsh times ahead. Current trade and federal deficits are growing exponentially by the month and are ballooning into trillions of dollars, each. The US transition from superpower status will be long and punishing. </p>
<p>In this time watch China rise in the exact same manner as the US or Britain or Rome once did. Production. </p>
<p>China&#8217;s currency will soon become a standard. It&#8217;s importance in foreign affairs will be unmatched. One day far in the future, its people too will stop trying, stop producing, feeling special and within their own bubble, they will merely speculate. Their debt will grow. Then reality hits and the bubble pops. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like watching history happen well into the future. I guess that is how Garth felt when writing the Greater Fool. Moral of the story? Don&#8217;t lock in to real estate and debt in a time of great uncertainty. For a country that is entirely dependent on the US, we are most at risk as they fall off of their own pedestal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/19/the-devil-the-cockroach/comment-page-3/#comment-10155</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone questioned...    â€œSome people think a major Canadian bank will fail (not hard to guess which one) before this is overâ€

and asked....    Which bank would that be?

My guess would be CIBC, they have the riskiest mortgage business out there..
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Failure of any Canadian bank is a remote possibility. Merger is more probable. -- Garth&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone questioned&#8230;    â€œSome people think a major Canadian bank will fail (not hard to guess which one) before this is overâ€</p>
<p>and asked&#8230;.    Which bank would that be?</p>
<p>My guess would be CIBC, they have the riskiest mortgage business out there..<br />
<em><br />
Failure of any Canadian bank is a remote possibility. Merger is more probable. &#8212; Garth</em></p>
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		<title>By: Just a Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/19/the-devil-the-cockroach/comment-page-3/#comment-10138</link>
		<dc:creator>Just a Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#136 FP wrote: &quot;I donâ€™t pretend to have a sophisticated grasp of economics â€” just a laywomanâ€™s understanding â€” but I canâ€™t understand why so many economic experts keep predicting deflation when prices of groceries and utilities keep going up almost every month.&quot;

Food prices are affected by many factors: cost of energy, weather, consumption/demand, population, etc.

The soaring cost of oil and inflationary pressures have increased the cost of food worldwide. If we are moving to a deflationary period, there theoretically there should be some easing off on prices in the future.

In the meantime, I think it&#039;s safe to say, the food banks could probably use our support this Christmas, for those that are in a position to share :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#136 FP wrote: &#8220;I donâ€™t pretend to have a sophisticated grasp of economics â€” just a laywomanâ€™s understanding â€” but I canâ€™t understand why so many economic experts keep predicting deflation when prices of groceries and utilities keep going up almost every month.&#8221;</p>
<p>Food prices are affected by many factors: cost of energy, weather, consumption/demand, population, etc.</p>
<p>The soaring cost of oil and inflationary pressures have increased the cost of food worldwide. If we are moving to a deflationary period, there theoretically there should be some easing off on prices in the future.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I think it&#8217;s safe to say, the food banks could probably use our support this Christmas, for those that are in a position to share :)</p>
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		<title>By: Bottoms_Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bottoms_Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Novagardener, here is a link to a scientific study that concluded education is an important factor in obesity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15533527?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
The study also points out that socioeconomical status is not necessarily independent of education, and is obviously multivariable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Novagardener, here is a link to a scientific study that concluded education is an important factor in obesity:<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15533527?ordinalpos=2&#038;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15533527?ordinalpos=2&#038;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum</a><br />
The study also points out that socioeconomical status is not necessarily independent of education, and is obviously multivariable.</p>
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