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		<title>By: HJD</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9987</link>
		<dc:creator>HJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Managed to sell my BC rental condo (15% below asking price) and now have $257,000 in cash. Have no debt and not in the stock market. Where should I park this money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Managed to sell my BC rental condo (15% below asking price) and now have $257,000 in cash. Have no debt and not in the stock market. Where should I park this money?</p>
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		<title>By: $fromA$ia</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9540</link>
		<dc:creator>$fromA$ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merrideth, if you bu today in Vancouver, you can change your name to Megadeath!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merrideth, if you bu today in Vancouver, you can change your name to Megadeath!</p>
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		<title>By: Bottoms_Up</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9535</link>
		<dc:creator>Bottoms_Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JaG,
My only point is that we are a tiny populace with an over-abundance of land/water/resources. I don&#039;t think we need to worry about &#039;urban sprawl&#039;. I agree that food issues are important, and good farm land should be preserved, but why should I have to live squeezed into a crappy little condo? Can&#039;t I provide some open space for my kids to enjoy and grow up in? Toronto is Canada&#039;s biggest city, yet pales in comparison to the size and sprawl of dozens of US cities, and for that matter others around the world. I think sprawl is the least of our concerns...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JaG,<br />
My only point is that we are a tiny populace with an over-abundance of land/water/resources. I don&#8217;t think we need to worry about &#8216;urban sprawl&#8217;. I agree that food issues are important, and good farm land should be preserved, but why should I have to live squeezed into a crappy little condo? Can&#8217;t I provide some open space for my kids to enjoy and grow up in? Toronto is Canada&#8217;s biggest city, yet pales in comparison to the size and sprawl of dozens of US cities, and for that matter others around the world. I think sprawl is the least of our concerns&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Just a Girl</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9530</link>
		<dc:creator>Just a Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#65 Wealthy Renter wrote: &quot;There are other quality living arrangements between a shoebox in the sky and an ugly, sprawling McMansion on a ½ acre. &quot;

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Personally, I agree the concept of European townhouse style living with community spaces has considerable merits. I haven&#039;t actually stated my personal opinion, in my previous posts :) I&#039;m just asking questions to see why things always seem to fall in two camps.  For example, renting versus buying, or condo versus house, etc.

We have a very complex society that involves value choices in social, economic and environmental considerations. In any choice, we have a value position at some point on the spectrum. I think for people to make informed decisions (ie. be informed voters, citizens, participants in development) they need to spend some time asking questions, and being critical thinkers.

I&#039;ve been reading this blog lately because there is a lot of passionate expression of opinion, but also, good information shared about economics, in the debate between renting versus buying. I am learning a lot about world financial markets, in this sharing.  In general I think society needs more healthy debate, and the internet seems to have created the opportunity for an open and accessible forum. I may have an opinion or a value position, but it can be changed when I am exposed to new sources of information, or thoughtful analysis and synthesis of related information pieces.

I don&#039;t know why, but I find the conversation coming out of this recent real estate bubble fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#65 Wealthy Renter wrote: &#8220;There are other quality living arrangements between a shoebox in the sky and an ugly, sprawling McMansion on a ½ acre. &#8221;</p>
<p>======<br />
Personally, I agree the concept of European townhouse style living with community spaces has considerable merits. I haven&#8217;t actually stated my personal opinion, in my previous posts <img src='http://www.greaterfool.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m just asking questions to see why things always seem to fall in two camps.  For example, renting versus buying, or condo versus house, etc.</p>
<p>We have a very complex society that involves value choices in social, economic and environmental considerations. In any choice, we have a value position at some point on the spectrum. I think for people to make informed decisions (ie. be informed voters, citizens, participants in development) they need to spend some time asking questions, and being critical thinkers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading this blog lately because there is a lot of passionate expression of opinion, but also, good information shared about economics, in the debate between renting versus buying. I am learning a lot about world financial markets, in this sharing.  In general I think society needs more healthy debate, and the internet seems to have created the opportunity for an open and accessible forum. I may have an opinion or a value position, but it can be changed when I am exposed to new sources of information, or thoughtful analysis and synthesis of related information pieces.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but I find the conversation coming out of this recent real estate bubble fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Merridith</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9515</link>
		<dc:creator>Merridith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the downtown area of Vancouver. I often go to the apartment open houses. I have owned in the past, and hope to again in the future - but don&#039;t for precisely the reason that you outline in your article.

You need to boost your condo fees though. Usually, they are at least between $300 - $500 @ month. They are extra expensive because there is a premium land tax that you have to pay (for your common property) for living here.

Also you should add in a fee for parking ($50 -100 @ month) - although some places give you one slot with your apartment purchase. To buy a slot - the going rate is $20,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the downtown area of Vancouver. I often go to the apartment open houses. I have owned in the past, and hope to again in the future &#8211; but don&#8217;t for precisely the reason that you outline in your article.</p>
<p>You need to boost your condo fees though. Usually, they are at least between $300 &#8211; $500 @ month. They are extra expensive because there is a premium land tax that you have to pay (for your common property) for living here.</p>
<p>Also you should add in a fee for parking ($50 -100 @ month) &#8211; although some places give you one slot with your apartment purchase. To buy a slot &#8211; the going rate is $20,000.</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/11/17/the-killer-condo/comment-page-2/#comment-9506</link>
		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#67 aloha e,

Wow ... there are going to be a couple unfilled holes in the ground all over Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#67 aloha e,</p>
<p>Wow &#8230; there are going to be a couple unfilled holes in the ground all over Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1800/month for a Condo in downtown? That&#039;s if you don&#039;t really negotiate. There are already enough Condos that don&#039;t move as rentals AND the really cute thing is: Lots more building are coming online in the next few months before the Olympics.

When people talk about a tight rental market in Vancouver they usually &quot;ignore&quot; a few things:

- Vancouver itself is &quot;small&quot;, there is West Van, Burnaby etc. From the East it looks all the same, in reality is isn&#039;t. If you live in North Vancouver you are in all likelyhood only a Seabus ride away from downtown but the rental prices drop quite a bit.

Also, &quot;no affordable renting properties&quot; in Vancouver for most people mean $800/month for a one bedroom, obviously cost since the early 90s have gone up, but two years ago a 600sqft apartment with fireplace (one bedroom) was available for $800 in a well maintained building. 

I pay a bit more, but I do have a look over English Bay, can see the fireworks from my living room and the sun set every night.

Vancouver is not such a bad place to rent, especially if you look at what becoming the owner of a Mortgage costs, but Garth pointed that one out quite nicely :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1800/month for a Condo in downtown? That&#8217;s if you don&#8217;t really negotiate. There are already enough Condos that don&#8217;t move as rentals AND the really cute thing is: Lots more building are coming online in the next few months before the Olympics.</p>
<p>When people talk about a tight rental market in Vancouver they usually &#8220;ignore&#8221; a few things:</p>
<p>- Vancouver itself is &#8220;small&#8221;, there is West Van, Burnaby etc. From the East it looks all the same, in reality is isn&#8217;t. If you live in North Vancouver you are in all likelyhood only a Seabus ride away from downtown but the rental prices drop quite a bit.</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;no affordable renting properties&#8221; in Vancouver for most people mean $800/month for a one bedroom, obviously cost since the early 90s have gone up, but two years ago a 600sqft apartment with fireplace (one bedroom) was available for $800 in a well maintained building. </p>
<p>I pay a bit more, but I do have a look over English Bay, can see the fireworks from my living room and the sun set every night.</p>
<p>Vancouver is not such a bad place to rent, especially if you look at what becoming the owner of a Mortgage costs, but Garth pointed that one out quite nicely <img src='http://www.greaterfool.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: POL-CAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>POL-CAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some one put in some time to put this 6 minute clip together.  It is worth watching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By03WbJxwUg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some one put in some time to put this 6 minute clip together.  It is worth watching&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By03WbJxwUg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By03WbJxwUg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Calgary rip off</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calgary rip off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DD:

There ALWAYS will be health care.  Im in health care.  The only way health care will exist if we live in an post nuclear holocaust with nothing.  I may not get paid as much, but I&#039;ll have a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DD:</p>
<p>There ALWAYS will be health care.  Im in health care.  The only way health care will exist if we live in an post nuclear holocaust with nothing.  I may not get paid as much, but I&#8217;ll have a job.</p>
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		<title>By: $fromA$ia</title>
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		<dc:creator>$fromA$ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q3 2009 looks good if the un employment rate doesn&#039;t climb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q3 2009 looks good if the un employment rate doesn&#8217;t climb.</p>
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