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		<title>By: Islander</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Islander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 10:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I don&#039;t agree with much of what Garth say, because I do, but The Strategy recommended people borrow up to their necks against their houses and pile into the stock market, just as NASDAQ was about to melt down and DJIA, S&amp;P and S&amp;P/TSX 60 flatline in inflation-adjusted terms. 
Now you&#039;re looking to this failed politician for his crystal-clear view of real estate&#039;s future? 
Baaaaaaahhhhh!!!!

&lt;em&gt;Wrong. Re-read the book. I argued against mantaining a large amount of static, non-proucing real estate equity, suggesting you borrow against it with a tax-deductible investment loan, putting the money into  diversified basket of financial assets, including well-run mutual funds. Not stocks. Had you done that, with today&#039;s stock market at a record high, you&#039;d have achieved both goals - gaining financial wealth and also remaining exposed to real estate. I gather you have a reading comprehension problem. -- Garth&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I don&#8217;t agree with much of what Garth say, because I do, but The Strategy recommended people borrow up to their necks against their houses and pile into the stock market, just as NASDAQ was about to melt down and DJIA, S&amp;P and S&amp;P/TSX 60 flatline in inflation-adjusted terms.<br />
Now you&#8217;re looking to this failed politician for his crystal-clear view of real estate&#8217;s future?<br />
Baaaaaaahhhhh!!!!</p>
<p><em>Wrong. Re-read the book. I argued against mantaining a large amount of static, non-proucing real estate equity, suggesting you borrow against it with a tax-deductible investment loan, putting the money into  diversified basket of financial assets, including well-run mutual funds. Not stocks. Had you done that, with today&#8217;s stock market at a record high, you&#8217;d have achieved both goals &#8211; gaining financial wealth and also remaining exposed to real estate. I gather you have a reading comprehension problem. &#8212; Garth</em></p>
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		<title>By: been there</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>been there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Regina and have 2 grown sons interested in purchasing a home. My strong discouragement and reiterating the high interest rates of the late 70&#039;s, early 80&#039;s when house prices jumped considerably and interest rates followed resulting in many walking away from their mortgages, has had some effect on their decision to bank money for now.
While interest rates have remained consistently low, the cost of homes has made up for this resulting in ridiculous payments and making builders/ realtors wealthy as a result of this current bubble.
History is repetitive despite what we are brainwashed into thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Regina and have 2 grown sons interested in purchasing a home. My strong discouragement and reiterating the high interest rates of the late 70&#8217;s, early 80&#8217;s when house prices jumped considerably and interest rates followed resulting in many walking away from their mortgages, has had some effect on their decision to bank money for now.<br />
While interest rates have remained consistently low, the cost of homes has made up for this resulting in ridiculous payments and making builders/ realtors wealthy as a result of this current bubble.<br />
History is repetitive despite what we are brainwashed into thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Alleyne</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Garth,

What are your thoughts on the Montreal Real Estate Market?  I just purchased a 1002 square foot 2 bedroom with indoor parking condo in Old Montreal for 337,000 with a 20% downpayment. This will be my principal residence.  My bank evaluated the property at 346,000 so I believe that I paid a fair price for it. Economic Reports that I read say that housing in Quebec should increase by 5% in 2007 and 3% in 2008. I earn approx 115k a year and have approx 100k in RSP. After reading your blogs I am wondering if I should have rented! What are your thoughts on the Montreal Real Estate Market</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Garth,</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on the Montreal Real Estate Market?  I just purchased a 1002 square foot 2 bedroom with indoor parking condo in Old Montreal for 337,000 with a 20% downpayment. This will be my principal residence.  My bank evaluated the property at 346,000 so I believe that I paid a fair price for it. Economic Reports that I read say that housing in Quebec should increase by 5% in 2007 and 3% in 2008. I earn approx 115k a year and have approx 100k in RSP. After reading your blogs I am wondering if I should have rented! What are your thoughts on the Montreal Real Estate Market</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course they dont want to publish the real CPI, or inflation figures... if yes, our banks will be going belly up with the storm down south and a storm brewing up north, plus, our interest rates would have to go skyrocketed to 12 %  or 13 % or even more...Obviously, the govt just have lots that you don&#039;t want to know or they don&#039;t let you know before some crap hits the fan...good luck !! Good thing to know is that my fiancee got a pay raise of 8 % this year instead of 3 % (which they generally do that every year) from her company, my fiancee ask her colleague and she was told that the company make some good money last year (not important). Secondly, her colleague told her including herself got a 8 % wage increase because she heard from the managers saying that this is to curb some of the inflation this year with high gas prices and groceries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course they dont want to publish the real CPI, or inflation figures&#8230; if yes, our banks will be going belly up with the storm down south and a storm brewing up north, plus, our interest rates would have to go skyrocketed to 12 %  or 13 % or even more&#8230;Obviously, the govt just have lots that you don&#8217;t want to know or they don&#8217;t let you know before some crap hits the fan&#8230;good luck !! Good thing to know is that my fiancee got a pay raise of 8 % this year instead of 3 % (which they generally do that every year) from her company, my fiancee ask her colleague and she was told that the company make some good money last year (not important). Secondly, her colleague told her including herself got a 8 % wage increase because she heard from the managers saying that this is to curb some of the inflation this year with high gas prices and groceries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if they offer it in Canada, but definitely in the US there are several organizations that allow you to essentially insure the value of your house, and the prices I see googling around are as low as $15 per month in some cases, but range up to $125 per month (the one in Chicago below) for $100k houses.

Most were created to help spur developments in transitional areas, but they offer contracts on any size house from what I could gather. Seems like a cheap piece of mind to me:
http://www.syracusesni.org/equitysite/about/whatis.html
http://protectyourhomeequity.com/

Obviously you can dabble in futures markets too, but this seems a little out of reach for common folk like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if they offer it in Canada, but definitely in the US there are several organizations that allow you to essentially insure the value of your house, and the prices I see googling around are as low as $15 per month in some cases, but range up to $125 per month (the one in Chicago below) for $100k houses.</p>
<p>Most were created to help spur developments in transitional areas, but they offer contracts on any size house from what I could gather. Seems like a cheap piece of mind to me:<br />
<a href="http://www.syracusesni.org/equitysite/about/whatis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.syracusesni.org/equitysite/about/whatis.html</a><br />
<a href="http://protectyourhomeequity.com/" rel="nofollow">http://protectyourhomeequity.com/</a></p>
<p>Obviously you can dabble in futures markets too, but this seems a little out of reach for common folk like me.</p>
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		<title>By: SMWhite</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>SMWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me started on inflation...

Energy is the underpinning of the economy and whether it fluctuates or not isn&#039;t an excuse to ignore it. 

Ridiculous!

When you hear the term &quot;Core CPI&quot; you would think that it includes the basic necessities but it doesn&#039;t. 

CPI includes those (fruit, vegetables, gasoline, fuel oil, natural gas, mortgage interest, inter-city transportation and tobacco products) but when you here the media spew Core CPI data from Stats Canada you never hear them say &quot;Core&quot; its always just &quot;CPI&quot;. 

Talk about Jedi mind games.

Point is the more confused the media and government can make you the more you&#039;ll sit in the corner sucking on your thumb and not ask any questions.

A lot of people have gotten greedy and party time is over, as much as Jim Flaherty is to blame for being a dumb ass and not lower income tax instead of the useless GST cut, banking industry, real estate industry, media and the common Joe all have to accept the big spoon of medicine on its way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on inflation&#8230;</p>
<p>Energy is the underpinning of the economy and whether it fluctuates or not isn&#8217;t an excuse to ignore it. </p>
<p>Ridiculous!</p>
<p>When you hear the term &#8220;Core CPI&#8221; you would think that it includes the basic necessities but it doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>CPI includes those (fruit, vegetables, gasoline, fuel oil, natural gas, mortgage interest, inter-city transportation and tobacco products) but when you here the media spew Core CPI data from Stats Canada you never hear them say &#8220;Core&#8221; its always just &#8220;CPI&#8221;. </p>
<p>Talk about Jedi mind games.</p>
<p>Point is the more confused the media and government can make you the more you&#8217;ll sit in the corner sucking on your thumb and not ask any questions.</p>
<p>A lot of people have gotten greedy and party time is over, as much as Jim Flaherty is to blame for being a dumb ass and not lower income tax instead of the useless GST cut, banking industry, real estate industry, media and the common Joe all have to accept the big spoon of medicine on its way.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith in Calgary</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith in Calgary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you live Wealthy Renter.......? PEI ?

In Calgary our monthly grocery basket is now up 50% over 2003.

Dine out &quot;anywhere&quot; and it&#039;s up 50%.......

Gas....needs no explanation.

Clothing is more expensive.

Rent here has gone up 50% since 2003.

I can afford these increases, I just don&#039;t want to pay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you live Wealthy Renter&#8230;&#8230;.? PEI ?</p>
<p>In Calgary our monthly grocery basket is now up 50% over 2003.</p>
<p>Dine out &#8220;anywhere&#8221; and it&#8217;s up 50%&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Gas&#8230;.needs no explanation.</p>
<p>Clothing is more expensive.</p>
<p>Rent here has gone up 50% since 2003.</p>
<p>I can afford these increases, I just don&#8217;t want to pay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dom-GTA</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-632</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom-GTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garth,

Thought that article with the &quot;Garth isn&#039;t Nostradamus was hilarious. I read through the article and had a chuckle at the thought of a VP from an Atlantic Canada RE company would say something like that.

What else would you expect from someone who&#039;s whole livelyhood depends on the bubble continuing.  Who are going to be among the hardest hit when this goes south? RE companies and agents of course. Can&#039;t count the number of articles in the US which talk about agents, brokers, Flippers etc...that are losing their shirts and shorts.

I like Garth Nostradamus better than some RE shill, he actually sounded kind of desperate...that whole stick your head in the sand...&quot;we don&#039;t have leveraged loans....etc...too funny.

Enjoy the beautiful Sunday, i was at an Open House yesterday and got the typical RE agent pressure &quot;Tie up the house, you don&#039;t want to lose this opp....won&#039;t last, and when I kept asking how many visits he had had for the open house and how many people had called, he finally admitted I was the only visitor...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garth,</p>
<p>Thought that article with the &#8220;Garth isn&#8217;t Nostradamus was hilarious. I read through the article and had a chuckle at the thought of a VP from an Atlantic Canada RE company would say something like that.</p>
<p>What else would you expect from someone who&#8217;s whole livelyhood depends on the bubble continuing.  Who are going to be among the hardest hit when this goes south? RE companies and agents of course. Can&#8217;t count the number of articles in the US which talk about agents, brokers, Flippers etc&#8230;that are losing their shirts and shorts.</p>
<p>I like Garth Nostradamus better than some RE shill, he actually sounded kind of desperate&#8230;that whole stick your head in the sand&#8230;&#8221;we don&#8217;t have leveraged loans&#8230;.etc&#8230;too funny.</p>
<p>Enjoy the beautiful Sunday, i was at an Open House yesterday and got the typical RE agent pressure &#8220;Tie up the house, you don&#8217;t want to lose this opp&#8230;.won&#8217;t last, and when I kept asking how many visits he had had for the open house and how many people had called, he finally admitted I was the only visitor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vancouver guy</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>Vancouver guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the &quot;official&quot; inflation statistics specifically exclude fuel and food costs from the calculation, since they tend to fluctuate wildly and would obscure the &quot;true&quot; inflation of most goods.

That&#039;s all well and good, except when food and fuel prices start going off the charts, and suddenly your inflation numbers start being detached from reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the &#8220;official&#8221; inflation statistics specifically exclude fuel and food costs from the calculation, since they tend to fluctuate wildly and would obscure the &#8220;true&#8221; inflation of most goods.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all well and good, except when food and fuel prices start going off the charts, and suddenly your inflation numbers start being detached from reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Future Expatriate</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfool.ca/2008/04/25/the-emotional-house/comment-page-1/#comment-630</link>
		<dc:creator>Future Expatriate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wealthyrenter, I guess you don&#039;t have much use for gas, food, or heating oil. If you did, you&#039;d realize that hyperinflation is already just about beating all prior rates, but if it continues we&#039;ll soon be at Weimar Germany levels.

But who cares about food and heat and gas as long as beer and your Toyota is cheaper, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wealthyrenter, I guess you don&#8217;t have much use for gas, food, or heating oil. If you did, you&#8217;d realize that hyperinflation is already just about beating all prior rates, but if it continues we&#8217;ll soon be at Weimar Germany levels.</p>
<p>But who cares about food and heat and gas as long as beer and your Toyota is cheaper, eh?</p>
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